installation-archived

[high token]

so you have a file ending in .vdi then?

[agile garnet]

it was automaticly

the VM just say empty

withouth me even selecting the folder

without

[mild tide]

Ok i deleted everything, used balenaetcher and a new image on my ssd, restored the backup
and now have the same errors (even containing the same „entry:1612“) 😱

[desert parrot]

Yesterday, my area had a 1 second power blip. Now, my HA won't start. It's HA Supervised. When I boot, I get: Failed to start "Raise network interfaces". I can't remember what website to use to post a picture - I took it of the screen to show the boot, but the failure the last line.

[abstract hearth]

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

Command '~images' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[humble mirage]

That sounds more like a Debian issue than a HA issue though

[desert parrot]

https://i.imgur.com/UDlPisl.jpg

[humble mirage]

Out of focus photo of text ...

[desert parrot]

I don't suppose there's a Windows installation for HA, is there? 🙂 I was advised two years ago to use HA Supervised... but...

I can take a clearer picture if needed. This is a video clip.

[humble mirage]

Well, nobody sensible ever recommended Supervised. Sadly lots of people who think they know better do.

You can run HAOS in a VM on Windows

[desert parrot]

I'd need to know what a VM was... 🙂

[humble mirage]

Virtual Machine

It's explained in the Windows install docs

That though looks like a hardware issue, maybe try booting from a Debian install/live image to see if that works

[desert parrot]

So if I have a solid full backup of my HA - I can install Windows on that poor PC (assuming it has no network issues), then VM, then HAOS, and then restore my backup?

[humble mirage]

Yup

Though if it supports UEFI just install HAOS directly

[desert parrot]

blink

So - if I can figure out that my PC supports UEFI and it does, I don't install Windows at all - I just install HAOS. If it does NOT support UEFI, I need to install Windows, and then HAOS in a VM.

[humble mirage]

That's probably your best approach

[desert parrot]

Ok, I don't see me getting anywhere with the current situation, so I'm going to do that. Thanks for the help, and since you didn't cut me to pieces, I'm guessing I didn't ask anything overly stupid! 🙂

[acoustic bronze]

Hello, in a supervised installation (HA OS using the qcow2 disk) how can i delete a NIC that i previously created with net vlan <interface> <id>?
I can't see a delete command. On the GUI too I can't.

[humble mirage]

That's HAOS, not Supervised

[desert parrot]

I see why supervised was recommended for me way back when, because I was able to follow the step by step posted in the forum.
THe HAOS install methods are... Kind of discouraging. I can't tell if my PC will do UEFI because I don't have anything installed to boot up that'll tell me, except Debian, which I don't know how to use. No options in my ASUS bios for it, though. So - Windows and VM install... Which starts with "download the appropriate image" and lists 4 unfamiliar things, and then: "Follow this guide if you already are running a supported virtual machine hypervisor. If you are not familiar with virtual machines we recommend installation Home Assistant OS directly on a Raspberry Pi or an ODROID." Well, that's not helpful at all.

[humble mirage]

Supervised is for people with advanced Linux and Docker skills

[acoustic bronze]

correct, tho the docker supervised part is there anyway

[humble mirage]

Lots of people gloss over that and assume it'll be fine, and then discover that it really won't be

If you're struggling with the HAOS docs then you're so far away from the skills required to run Supervised that you're measuring the separation in AU

[acoustic bronze]

I did use the supervised. then it was removed. now it's probably back but haos works good for me.
please let's not go over that. I manage openshift and rancher cluster. I just asked what's the cli way to remove a vlan without using ssh and edit networkmanager

[humble mirage]

I'm responding to another person there... the hint is in the reply header

[desert parrot]

I have to say - I've been using Supervised for over two years with no issues, but that's because, well, I've had no issues. So yes, I am struggling with the HAOS docs. Are there other docs somewhere that may dumb it down a bit for users like me? Or at least get me started by telling me which appropriate image I should probably choose?

[acoustic bronze]

apologies :/

[humble mirage]

My only response to you was to point out that you don't have Supervised, you have HAOS - the difference matters

[humble mirage]

1. Install VirtualBox
2. Download the VirtualBox image
3. Follow the instructions for VirtualBox

Or, buy a Pi/ODroid and accept that Virtual Machines are beyond you for now

[desert parrot]

Nope, I'm not admitting defeat. What you typed should start me off in at least the correct direction, thank you. But first - Sigh. Install Windows. LOL At least that will tell me if there's something wrong with the non-HA environment.

[acoustic bronze]

If I may, and if you inted to use Windows as host for your VM, you may find that vmware player is easier to start. Instead of the virtualbox image, download the vmware one.

[desert parrot]

May I ask - tell me what you mean by "easier to start"? I can learn things, but I'm unfamiliar with VM, so I'm starting from nothing.

[acoustic bronze]

vmware has a cleaner interface compared to kvm/virtualbox and similar. that's the "easy" i meant.

[desert parrot]

Oh ok, I see what you mean, thanks for explaining.

[crude inlet]

@acoustic bronze https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/blob/dev/Documentation/network.md

[marsh plaza]

Is there a possibility to manually modify yaml files if I use the VirtualBox version from homeassistant website?

[humble mirage]

Yes

https://www.home-assistant.io/common-tasks/os/#configuring-access-to-files

[marsh plaza]

thanks

[heavy sleet]

I just bought a old mini office pc to run HA

Should i run it bare metal or inside a VM?

[crude inlet]

Depends on how old

Does the CPU support virtualization??

[heavy sleet]

AMD GX-217GA

Probably diesnt support virtualization

Its an HP T620

[dire hawk]

Hello :)
On the http "integration" help page, this is written The option server_host should only be used on a Home Assistant Core installation!
I would like to use it on hassio for security reason, limiting ingress to to the docker network only in order to enforce all traffic to go through the https proxy

does anyone have an idea why this warning is here ?

i can't find a firewall of some sort on hassio

[humble mirage]

More for #integrations-archived - but because if you use it on anything else you'll break access

Also, if you're looking to do that kind of thing HAOS is the wrong install for you

[dire hawk]

oh right, rename sorry

haos is the wrong install for me

but it's not for me ...

[humble mirage]

I would like to use it on hassio for security reason

[dire hawk]

what do you mean "break access" ?

[humble mirage]

Because you're trying to change what it's listening to inside the container

That rarely works out the way people think

Though, if it's not for you, which I are you referring to?

The Royal I?

[dire hawk]

in I would like to ?

[humble mirage]

[dire hawk]

sorry XD

[humble mirage]

You're making no sense... you say it's for you, and then not for you, and then... I've no idea

[dire hawk]

making it quick, i am a core user, but i have been asked to make it more reliable and easy for the household... so i am moving to haos

[humble mirage]

I'm not sure how that makes it more reliable, but whatever floats/sinks your boat

You're giving up control for "simplicity"

No enforcing traffic flow if you're going to use HAOS

[dire hawk]

core on debian mean a lot of reinstall to follow the dreaded python deprecation

[humble mirage]

So... Container?

[dire hawk]

i tried to and failed at ...

[humble mirage]

[dire hawk]

i am very bad with container

[high token]

you can do a Core installation but not container?

[humble mirage]

And yet

I would like to use it on hassio for security reason, limiting ingress to to the docker network only in order to enforce all traffic to go through the https proxy

Of course, you could just have installed a current version of Python

[high token]

so the problem is what downtime for the rest of the household while you would be trying to update python?

[humble mirage]

Install Python separately, create new venv, downtime is ... 30 seconds?

[dire hawk]

honestely, i had a compiled version of python to run core for a while when i was still on stretch, and it was a pain with system lib not being available and everything i automated everything with IAC but now that i will be less and less there, i needed something i could guide someone on

plus i really feel like core is being pushed to the side ...

[humble mirage]

You've really got two choices:

limiting ingress to to the docker network
requires that you learn some Docker skills and get Container running

Or, use HAOS

[dire hawk]

i have a 3rd option ... but i would have liked to not use it ... my switch is layer3, i can block inbound there.
But just to be sure there is 0 way to add or tweek the inside of a HAOS ? like a folder with a merged /etc ?

I've seen the "overlay" partition and i was curious about it's use

requires that you learn some Docker skills and get Container running

I am wrong in thinking that you can't use the Add-ons ui of HAOS if i run container, and will need something like portainer if i want some kind of UI ?

[humble mirage]

If you're using HAOS you don't get to mess about with the host, Docker, or anything like that

It's an "appliance" - if you try to fiddle under the hood you may just break things

[dire hawk]

ok, i need to stop thinking about way to work around what isn't made for it ...

Learning docker isn't the main issue, it's making it easy enough for other really not tech literate to fix basic issue, like a dead zwavejs container, or do an upgrade...
I'll stick on HAOS for this, i have to especialy since i won't be there often for a bit.
I'll do security outside of it, but it really confuse me how you can both have a nginx ssl proxy, and a port 8123 that don't go through

[quasi light]

Hi, running Home Assistant OS 8.2 and would like to add a .bash-aliases file somewhere. Tried to put it in /root, but that did not survive a restart. Where would be a better place, having it run at boot?

[humble mirage]

You can't

[abstract hearth]

@quasi light The XY problem is asking about your attempted solution rather than your actual problem.

This leads to enormous amounts of wasted time and energy, both on the part of people asking for help, and on the part of those providing help.

The problem occurs when people get stuck on what they believe is the solution and are unable to step back and explain the issue in full.

Command '~xy' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[quasi light]

lol

[dire hawk]

how many of those are they ! i always discover new one XD

[abstract hearth]

No, there isn't actually a bot command for everything

Command '~everything' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[quasi light]

Really? Why can't simple aliases be used ?

[high token]

infinite!

[humble mirage]

What are you trying to do?

Why do you want to add an aliases file? What's the goal here?

[quasi light]

Create aliases for commands i run in sequence a lot

[humble mirage]

That would be a setting you'd have to do with the #add-ons-archived that's providing the shell

[quasi light]

Ok. So... how would I find out which add-on that would be. Just ssh-in into it...

[humble mirage]

#add-ons-archived can help you there I'm sure

[quasi light]

Sure, will check there. Thanks

[humble mirage]

The add-on view in your install should tell you though

[viral marlin]

I updated ha os after restarting it. And it refusea to boot up.
If in the bio syou select he usb drive i have it on it brings me to a black screen with
'reboot and select proper media device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key'

The hrrd drive is plugged intot the computer via an adapter and its worked fine, as in the lights indicating power and data work and the bios recognises the booting option

In short, i did what the site says and it does not work

[dire hawk]

I am sorry, i didn't use ha os for long enough to encounter a boot flag issue ... i don't even know if it use uefi or bios boot system

[viral marlin]

The instructions say to specifically allow uefi

And disable secure boot

[dire hawk]

given it's ha os, your quickest solution may be to get the backup out of the usb drive, reinstall and load the backup, but usb drive are like sd card, most are cheap and will dies due to nand degradation....
if you do that you should change the usb key or go to an SSD, or it may happen again very soon

[viral marlin]

I have an hdd with a usb adapter

[dire hawk]

then get the backup in a safe place, and do a full smart test on your desktop, make sure it's good before using it again

[viral marlin]

A smart test on my desktop?

What should i be testing?

My desktop works fine

[dire hawk]

sorry, i mean to say plug the ha os hdd to your desktop and do a S . M . A . R .T test on it https://www.howtogeek.com/134735/how-to-see-if-your-hard-drive-is-dying/

first random link on the internet, you may find one with better instruction

[viral marlin]

Ah that one

Indeed

However

The hdd works fine, as the bios recognises it, and i can select its booting option

Or maybe its partially broken ....

I will go shopping tommorow to buy two new ssd's

[dire hawk]

you can have dead sector, way to many for the drive to be safe to use, but enough to work while stumbling ...
But you also can have a 100% OK drive, and ha os just killed itself.
All i am saying is that the easy path is a reinstall, and before doing that you may want to make sure you are reinstalling on good hardware

[viral marlin]

I will buy a new ssd and transfer every single thing on the hdd to the new ssd

And then the ssd will take the hdd's place

[dire hawk]

not a good idea

if the hdd don't boot now, the ssd won't boot either

because if it doesn't boot now, that mean the data is already nolonger there

[viral marlin]

Then how does it detect it ?

If the drive was empty the boot option would not be selectable

Its specifically detect the hdd and not the general boot option

[dire hawk]

there is a difference between an empty drive, and a drive with the booting data corrupter or missing

you maybe even have part of what you need to boot, but a single thing missing

[viral marlin]

Well HA yeeted itself while updating then 😂

[dire hawk]

possible

[viral marlin]

It worked before updating

[dire hawk]

possible also that the hdd damaged a part of the phisical platter just where the boot is

it could have happend some time ago, but only now when rebooting you are finding out about it

[viral marlin]

Well i had the same thing when restarting it

But it just worked after restarting once

[dire hawk]

wait ... so it work ? or i didn't get your last sentence ?

[viral marlin]

'had' meaning before today xD

No when i restarted it yesterday

[dire hawk]

ok so it already happen once, but worked after that for a while, and now it just nolonger work at all right ?

[viral marlin]

Yes

[dire hawk]

so it's highly likely that the hdd is dieing

[viral marlin]

Yesterday it gave me the dame thing. I restarted, it worked.
Today i tried to update it, and now it doesnt work

[dire hawk]

i would recommand getting the backup our of it really fast

[viral marlin]

Thats why i wanna yeet everything to a new ssd xD

Cause if its corruptrd or dying having it on a new ssd is better either way

[dire hawk]

it won't be easy at all, and probabely won't work
you are better of install a clean ha os on the ssd, and only importing the backup

[viral marlin]

I will see

[dire hawk]

👍

[viral marlin]

If the hdd is working on a level were the computer can read the data, i will extract everything onto the ssd

And if that fails i will see at reinstalling it all and using a data backup

Its just way easier if you can swap drives and tada it works

[dire hawk]

Do as you want, i don't know your technical knowledge on file-system and boot type
Just make sure to not wipe or lost the backup while trying it.

[viral marlin]

simply copy pasting files from drive A to drive B wont be dangerous xD

[high token]

whatever you end up doing tomorrow, get the backup today

[dire hawk]

yup

you never know

[high token]

unless you have a recent one offline

[viral marlin]

how am i supposed to get a backup?

[high token]

I assume you have windows?

[viral marlin]

no

general confusion followed

[dire hawk]

from the hdd, you have a homeassistant_data on it, open that, then supervisor, then backup

they are in there

[viral marlin]

well.... thats literally what i want to do tommorow with the ssd. yeet everything on it

backups and all

[dire hawk]

tomorrow the hdd may be complely dead

[viral marlin]

hdd dies while not running?

[high token]

what do you use as a computer? Mac then?

[dire hawk]

are you willing to try the odd ?

[viral marlin]

kubuntu

[viral marlin]

the odd?

[dire hawk]

of losing everything because "it should happen while unplugged"

[high token]

even better. You should be able to mount the data partiion directly and get the backups

whereas in Windows/Mac you need special programs

[viral marlin]

it will happen either way. i do not take the chance highly that a 5 year old hdd dies right this instant

[viral marlin]

indeed

[dire hawk]

really ? doesn't mac read linux filesystem now ?

[humble mirage]

Not sure it has native support for ext2/3/4

Last I checked it didn't

[viral marlin]

from what i know it does not either

[dire hawk]

i though, but that was assumption based on watching my coworker XD so not based one 😊

i gave you all the warning i could, i hope everything go allright tomorow !

[viral marlin]

oh im willing to take the opportunity to experience an hdd with over 1500 days of age die between now and tommorow night

to be here at the exact day it fully dies

it served 3 generations xD

[dire hawk]

ok giphy don't work

[high token]

no embeds sorry

[dire hawk]

no issue

bad reflex from work

[high token]

https://giphy.com/gifs/amazed-Fkmgse8OMKn9C

[dire hawk]

XD

thank you

[high token]

For me though it's not necessarily the HDD would die. But more the fact that if it's messed up during the update it would be a lot better to install a fresh/clean OS than making an image of a problematic one

[dire hawk]

they really look to want to copy file first 🤷‍♂️
as long as there is no user error everything should be fine

I've learn 2 thing about this:

• you do stupid mistake at the worst time
• telling someone they may do stupid mistake only make them more proud and confident

[humble mirage]

Also... people keep forgetting that backups are only useful if you can access them

[plain jungle]

While trying to get some HACS integrations working, I found that I can't verify that python is installed in HAOS. Can someone point me to some information on this? https://i.imgur.com/krvl00U.png

[humble mirage]

Python is installed, it has to be

That picture looks to be from your add-on providing you with SSH however

It has nothing to do with HA

[plain jungle]

I thought the same thing, and yet... bash: command not found.

Does this add-on not allow me to terminal into the VM and access the file system that HAOS is running in?

maybe I misunderstood what it does

[humble mirage]

Because the #add-ons-archived are other containers

That add-on isn't the same container as where HA runs

They're all separate, with their own software

[plain jungle]

I see, so the ~ mount in the ssh add-on is just amount into the configuration directories on the VM filesystem that Core and Supervisor also have asccess to?

[humble mirage]

Yes

[plain jungle]

OK, so then I messed up by not enabling ssh when I made the VM to begin with

[humble mirage]

No

[plain jungle]

that makes sense, by the way; thanks.

Well, I can't seem to SSH into the VM. It's refusing attempts

[humble mirage]

Correct, you don't

However, given that HA is written in Python you can be confident that Python is installed

If it wasn't, it wouldn't run

[abstract hearth]

The XY problem is asking about your attempted solution rather than your actual problem.

This leads to enormous amounts of wasted time and energy, both on the part of people asking for help, and on the part of those providing help.

The problem occurs when people get stuck on what they believe is the solution and are unable to step back and explain the issue in full.

Command '~xy' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[plain jungle]

could I ask you to elaborate? Are you saying I don't SSH into the VM?

[humble mirage]

Go back to the actual problem, and maybe somebody in #integrations-archived can help you

[humble mirage]

Correct

[grand pivot]

➜  ~ python3 foo.py
Hello, World!

[plain jungle]

So the instructions that show to run pip to install additional functionality is not done through SSH?

[humble mirage]

"the instructions"

Sadly we have no idea which of the 42 billion custom components you're referring to

[plain jungle]

Heh, I just assumed from all the Python SDK installations I've seen for HA that it would have been common knowledge that pip is being indicated to install integrations. Things like this: https://github.com/ajmarks/gekitchen

[humble mirage]

That's not a custom component

[plain jungle]

pardon my lack of proper terminology. What should i call this?

[humble mirage]

That's a library, that a custom component could use

[plain jungle]

gotcha, from a repository.

and in order to install it, I need to have access to pip, yes?

[humble mirage]

Well, it'd install it from PyPi when a custom component requires it

Are you developing a custom component?

Because if not, that library is useless to you

[plain jungle]

no, right now I'm just trying to figure out the system within HAOS to better understand it

[humble mirage]

Check the pinned image for a high level view of it

HAOS is a bunch of Docker containers, managed by the Supervisor (which is a Docker manager)

Every add-on is another container

At no point do you, as an end user, use pip to install anything

(unless you're creating a pure Core install, without any use of HAOS or Docker)

[plain jungle]

Got it, so if I run into steps requiring the use of pip or python, it's probably for a developer and I should find another approach

[humble mirage]

It's either for a developer, or it's some commands you run anywhere

For instance, some custom components have some Python you can run, somewhere, to find all the devices the integration supports on that network

[plain jungle]

anywhere except from the Terminal + SSH add-on container

[humble mirage]

Yes

So, spin up a VM, install Ubuntu and Python, and run it there

Install Python on Windows, run it there

etc

[plain jungle]

windows, psshhhh...

[grand pivot]

I'm not really sure what you're doing, but it isn't hard to do in the addon:

[humble mirage]

Getting lost

[grand pivot]

[core-ssh ~]$ apk add python3
fetch https://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.14/main/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz
fetch https://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.14/community/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz
(1/5) Installing libbz2 (1.0.8-r1)
(2/5) Installing gdbm (1.19-r0)
(3/5) Installing mpdecimal (2.5.1-r1)
(4/5) Installing sqlite-libs (3.35.5-r0)
(5/5) Installing python3 (3.9.5-r2)
Executing busybox-1.33.1-r6.trigger
OK: 137 MiB in 104 packages
[core-ssh ~]$ python3 -V
Python 3.9.5
[core-ssh ~]$ python3 -m ensurepip --upgrade
Looking in links: /tmp/tmpu4clqhbd
Processing /tmp/tmpu4clqhbd/setuptools-56.0.0-py3-none-any.whl
Processing /tmp/tmpu4clqhbd/pip-21.1.1-py3-none-any.whl
Installing collected packages: setuptools, pip
Successfully installed pip-21.1.1 setuptools-56.0.0
WARNING: Running pip as root will break packages and permissions. You should install packages reliably by using venv: https://pip.pypa.io/warnings/venv
[core-ssh ~]$ pip3

Usage:   
  pip3 <command> [options]

[plain jungle]

I'm figuring that out, I was trying to understand it better, it's become unrelated to what I originally started out to do, @humble mirage set me straight on understanding what I was looking for

[high token]

I still don't know what you were originally trying to do 😄

[grand pivot]

me either, just showing off

[high token]

you mentioned HACS then immediately pip

[grand pivot]

all hail HA OS

[plain jungle]

Originally, I was trying to figure out if my HACS install was set up correctly, but I believe that's a question for #integrations-archived or #add-ons-archived

[high token]

if it's correct you should have been able to add it in your integrations

why would you think it's for #add-ons-archived ?

[plain jungle]

so since I was confused about what I should be seeing from terminal, and didn't understand it, I ended up here

[high token]

Welcome 😛

[plain jungle]

Thanks!

I added HACS, but the icon isn't showing up in side bar (text, but no icon) and it's not showing the automations page. Additionally the integration I added doesn't seem to be allowing me to add the devices it is supposed to be allowing.

There's a really good chance that I missed something somewhere in the installation

it's been one of those weeks

[high token]

now you're heading to a proper #integrations-archived territory

text but no icon is just cache though

[plain jungle]

See you there

[twilit plume]

I have HA on TrueNAS succesfully for a while now. HA works well, but I struggle updating HA itself, or administrating it, etc... I want to move to using docker, but I don't want to lose any of my configuration. in my TrueNAS setup, there's a ~/homeassistant directory with a variety of things that look imporatnt, configuration.yaml, secrets.yaml, packages, some home-assistant_v2.db* files. If I copy all that to /config in my docker container is that mostly all I need to do - or is there a better way?

[crude inlet]

@twilit plume /homeassistant is your config directory yes

So everything in it, including the hidden files

And hidden directories

[twilit plume]

I guess, just confirming, tar that up, move it to the new place, and start the docker container -- should work?

cool

[crude inlet]

And you should have a directory mapped for your new container

[twilit plume]

yea, I do

[crude inlet]

Ok

[twilit plume]

unrelated - does anyone know if https://github.com/home-assistant/addons/tree/master/configurator is published as a docker image anywhere?

guess i foudn this thing (https://hub.docker.com/r/causticlab/hass-configurator-docker/) but who is causticlab? HA itself is published on ghcr.io

[grand pivot]

if you're going to install a container for an editor, I would just go straight for VSCode

[twilit plume]

kinda like the web editor

[grand pivot]

the only reason that I keep that around is in the rare occasion where I must edit a file from my phone

vscode has a code-server that can be used from a browser

in any case, I don't know if there's an "official" docker container for the File Editor/configurator

https://hub.docker.com/r/linuxserver/code-server

[twilit plume]

cool, i'll fiddle with that - thanks!

[desert parrot]

Had a failure in my Home Assistant Supervised on Debian. Took the PC and installed Windows 10, then HAOS VMWare. Restored the recent snapshot. HA came up ok. Current problem: No GoControl Zwave/Zigbee stick recognized. When I select "Configure" in the ZWave integration I get: Cannot connect to host a0d7b954-zwavejs2mqtt:3000 ssl:default [Connect call failed ('172.30.33.1', 3000)] I could sure please use some help.

[dawn flame]

I could be wrong, but I don't think you're going to get that to work and I'm going to guess it's an unsupported install at this point.

[grand pivot]

You would need to pass the device into the VM and select the device in the addon before the integration will be able to talk to it

[desert parrot]

In the VM window, when I select "Player" then "Removable Devices" the entry for Silicone HubZ Smart Home Controller" is greyed out.

[desert parrot]

I mean, it worked fine yesterday... Stupid power blips.

[desert parrot]

Can you tell me where to read on how to do that?

[dawn flame]

How was it installed BEFORE you installed Windows 10 on it?

[desert parrot]

I used Home Assistant Supervised on the bare box (used Debian).

[dawn flame]

Exactly....

From what I see in the installation instructions, you need to run HAOS if you're going to do a Windows VM....

[grand pivot]

Took the PC and installed Windows 10, then HAOS VMWare.

[desert parrot]

I installed windows. I went to the HA Installation website. I scrolled down and selected "Windows". I selected and installed Vmware Workstation (.vmdk) in my previously installed VMWare Virtual Machine. It installed fine, I got Home Assistant up and running with a "restore snapshot".

[dawn flame]

Ah, I thought he was trying to run supervised because he specified Debian. HAOS is it's OWN OS and not Debian.

[desert parrot]

Oh, for Home Assistant Supervised, that was a Debian thing, which I didn't understand enough to fix when it broke.

[dawn flame]

In that case, you need to figure out how to pass the devices into the VM....

[desert parrot]

I think it's a windows driver issue... That's what I'm looking at now.

[dawn flame]

Nobody should be running supervised....

[desert parrot]

I ran it for over two years without a problem. And didn't know anything about it because I never had a problem! 🙂 LOL That's why Tinkerer's advice to not use Supervised any more.

[uneven merlin]

its the hardest possible install method with not a lot of value added for the effort

[desert parrot]

haha but I remember doing it - boy howdy I powered through it, knowing NOTHING of what I was actually doing.

[dawn flame]

I'll stick with Docker, thanks....

[desert parrot]

Well ok. Manually installed drivers for each, and was still having issues of the light not staying on the stick - had to go into each "device" in Device Manager, and turn off the "allow windows to turn off to save power". It APPEARS that everything is working. Go me! I'm terrified the next time I have to reboot, or worse, the next time the power turns off and on, but for now... Huzzah!

[dawn flame]

First off, if it's working at the moment, now is the time to reboot it while you're actually there to monitor it.

[desert parrot]

Nope, I knew it was too good to be true. 🙂 I can connect by using homeassistant.local:8123 But another PC can't connect, and neither can my phone app.

[dawn flame]

Are you connecting through a proxy?

[desert parrot]

blink I don't know if I am or not.

Didn't change anything since yesterday with the network itself. System tab/Network has the right internal IP address.

[dawn flame]

Well, assuming you're trying to connect to it using that URL and it works from the machine it's running on and nothing else, there's your problem. Try the actual IP instead of the homeassistant.local thing. It's creating problems for you that you wouldn't have otherwise.

[desert parrot]

Ok...

That's it. My IP changed?? That's... why? Answer: Because.

[dawn flame]

Whoever started the whole thing of using homeassistant.local should be beaten....

Your IP changed because the machine changed.

[desert parrot]

Should I change it back? Would I confuse or gain anything?

[dawn flame]

Do you have anything else that connects to it?

[desert parrot]

Nope, this PC is only for HA

Wait.

The PC has the SAME IP it always has had. The VM is the one with the new IP.

[dawn flame]

Then it really doesn't matter what the IP address is. You should probably put a reservation for it in DHCP (or just make it a static IP) though or it may change again.... Yep.... The VM is the machine that changed.....

[desert parrot]

ok, that'll work! Thanks!

[dawn flame]

Once you do that, reboot again and verify....

[desert parrot]

Ugh. Ok, I'm going to do that now. Fingers crossed.

Crap. Nope. Rebooted, started HA in VM. https://i.imgur.com/LrlSwhv.jpg

May be fixed. VM had a USB setting to 3 instead of 2.

[dawn flame]

You're on your own with that. I don't do VM. I set up a mini PC with a bare Linux OS and Docker and it does everything I need it to without all of that....

[desert parrot]

Heh, damn. Not fixed, same errors. I'll figure it out.

Weirdly - Home Assistant still works (my switches) despite those errors.

I call it a win. 🙂

[red horizon]

Is there something wrong with the hassos installation process on the rpi 4? literally reflashed it 3 times trying to get it to boot up and every time it's been failing. Stays on "Preparing home assistant" permanently. If I plug in an HDMI monitor I see "Error returned from supervisor: System is not ready with state: setup"

From what I understand, hassos downloads and installs everything on boot so is it downloading a bugged version or something? I'm also willing to bet anyone can reproduce this right now with a fresh sd card.

[red horizon]

I can't even get logs out. the cli just freezes.

[marble sleet]

hi, im new here and i have been struggling with the installation of home assistant for hours

im using a mac and have been following the instructions here https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/macos

but the ip address is not showing and i cannot access the home assistant page

may someone help me please, thank you!

btw this is how it looks like https://i.imgur.com/O112eoW.png

[marble sleet]

also i did search up the error and have tried many solutions but they all dont work

[storm sluice]

try network info on the console

if it shows no ip maybe check your vms networking settings

[marble sleet]

i think it does shown an ip address

this is how it looks like when i do network info https://i.imgur.com/DbOvzb3.png

and this is my network settings for virtualbox https://i.imgur.com/wUA4vo2.png

[storm sluice]

yeah no ip on the ethernet. did you bridge the vm to a wifi adapter? that might not work

[marble sleet]

what should i do then?

[storm sluice]

use ethernet?

[marble sleet]

it still doesnt work https://i.imgur.com/1TKhxFO.png

[storm sluice]

so you plugged in a ethernet cable and changed the vms networking to bridge to that and it still doesnt work?

did you restart the vm?

[marble sleet]

oh i need to plug in a ethernet cable?

ahh im so sorry im so dumb

[storm sluice]

yeah unfortunately thats probably what your are going to have to do

[twilit plume]

ok, moved HA database from TrueNas to docker container. Seemed to go decently smooth. Most things are up. HomeKit doesn't seem to want to connect though (When I open Home on my phone everything is disconnected). Do I need to reconfigure homekit somehow?

looks like the HA Bridge is no longer working in Apple-Home-Land.

and, I suspect if I remove it from there it's going to remove all my devices and scenes and that configuration

[dawn flame]

It may not be item that HAOS is using.....

[agile garnet]

im trying to get HA on a VM "virtual box" i have gotten to step 7/the note, but dont know how to do it. pls help im new btw

the guide im using: https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/windows

[storm sluice]

it shows the command to run..

what more do you need?

[agile garnet]

i dont know how and where to enter it

[storm sluice]

open cmd or powershell

and type in the command

[nocturne kindle]

wondering why one can't access HA after updating to latest

[storm sluice]

oh and replace the vm name

[nocturne kindle]

haOS

[storm sluice]

iam on 8.2 and my ha works fine

[nocturne kindle]

can't access it thru ip:8123 or homeassistant.local:8123

[high token]

are you running x86x64?

[nocturne kindle]

x64 architecture

looks like it's running but can't access it

[storm sluice]

check the host console?

[nocturne kindle]

wow...took 10 minutes.....now it let me in

sorry to bother you guys 😄

[sage bolt]

hi, i installed homeassistant on pie 4 and could access it no probs, now i cant? tried the whole port forwading thing but nothing ... stuck any help welcome please

[high token]

you no longer can access it remotely or also can't access it locally?

[hot night]

hi, trying to install clean new home assistant OS in a VM on VirtualBox everything from scratch. I am having a hard time getting it to work. Now superfvisor seems to be stuck with this last log
22-06-18 21:18:02 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.resolution.fixup] System autofix complete

no ERROR in logs, but it never ends...

far more than 20 mins have passed

[mighty prism]

how to configure wifi network configuration for ha >

[mighty prism]

https://github.com/arsaboo/homeassistant-config/blob/master/HASS Cheatsheet.md
This one helped me to configure. Thanks

[heavy sleet]

Hey Guys

I bought a thin client.
Booted into windows on a usb stick. Used balena etcher to flash haos to the internal nvme disk and it says no OS detected

Disabled legacy support and now it looks like its booting

[heavy sleet]

succesfully moved from a Pi so a HP Thin client

home assistant fast as hell now

[tame rover]

Hi I am a newbee in ZHA and adding my devices. Lamps are successfully added. My Philips Hue dimmer RWL021 however is an issue. The dimmer has 4 buttons (on / off, up, down) but in HA only 1 binary sensor is detected. What is causing this? I have deleted the device many times, but no luck. I am using the ConBee II stick to access zigbee device.

[heavy sleet]

Try creating an automation with the dimmer switch as a trigger. You will most likely see the different button press possibilities there

https://ibb.co/xG1PxYk

Like this

[tired laurel]

anyone else unable to update?
I click on the install button, it loads for a couple of minutes but hat's it... new version is not installed and i can click the install button again
have this problem for several days now

[primal sun]

not sure if this is the place to ask, but I am away from my home, I have a Philips Hue hub and around 40 lights in total. They started switching on and off completely randomly, I have a high power USB wifi and Bluetooth adapters plugged into the HAAS PI and the hub is very close, I suspect that the USB WIFI is interfering, not possible to physically move or disconnect the USB devices...

Is it possible to disable a USB Device in the SSH Priveledged shell ?

I have already disabled the internal wifi / bluetooth using rfkill in a shell command, but it seems that the USB WIFI device is not being blocked by RFKILL as only the internal WLAN0 is blocked

0: phy0: wlan
    Soft blocked: yes
    Hard blocked: no
1: hci0: bluetooth
    Soft blocked: yes
    Hard blocked: no
2: hci1: bluetooth
    Soft blocked: yes
    Hard blocked: no

as you can see 2 BT devices are listed and blocked, but only 1 WLAN device (internal) and I suspect that the other device is intermittent and sending out a lot of noise even though it's not listed as a wlan device

lsusb
Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0a12:0001
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 2109:0822
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 2109:2822
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 2109:3431
Bus 001 Device 005: ID 2357:0120
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 10c4:ea6

for the time being, until I can physically be there, I dont mind disabling ALL usb devices, is this possible with HAAS given the restrictions of the containerised shell ?

[primal sun]

I suspect this is the culprit:

[    3.184465] usb 1-1.1.3: new high-speed USB device number 5 using xhci_hcd
[    3.333174] usb 1-1.1.3: New USB device found, idVendor=2357, idProduct=0120, bcdDevice= 2.00
[    3.333210] usb 1-1.1.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[    3.333222] usb 1-1.1.3: Product: 802.11ac WLAN Adapter
[    3.333232] usb 1-1.1.3: Manufacturer: Realtek
[    3.333242] usb 1-1.1.3: SerialNumber: 00e04c000001

I have tried disabling it:

 ~ sudo echo disabled | sudo tee /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-1.1.3/power/wakeup
tee: /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-1.1.3/power/wakeup: Read-only file system
disabled

but as you can see RO file system

Even with sudo:

➜  ~ sudo echo suspend > /sys/bus/usb/devices/usb2/power/level
zsh: read-only file system: /sys/bus/usb/devices/usb2/power/level

[feral torrent]

Hi all, I've installed HomeAssistant on my Pi4. Went with HomeAssistant Core and it's all installed and working fine but I have to run hass manually. Is there a way to keep it running persistently? Can't find anything in the docs about this.

Followed the guide here: https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/raspberrypi#install-home-assistant-core

[grand pivot]

Something like https://community.home-assistant.io/t/autostart-using-systemd/199497

[feral torrent]

Thank you, will try that 🙂

[feral torrent]

@grand pivot Worked, thanks very much!

[feral torrent]

Is there a way to use LetsEncrypt to install and SSL cert without using Duck DNS? I've set up my own domain to point at my hass instance and I'm using Home Assistant Core (e.g. no docker)

All of the guides I can find online are using Duck DNS rather than a custom domain.

[grand pivot]

given that you're using HA core, it's not really related to HA

the only part that relates to HA is that you can point HA to the Let's Encrypt cert that you get

[feral torrent]

OK, will stick to port 80. Thanks.

[pliant zinc]

Is there any way to check which config file has been loaded on boot ?

[true mirage]

I've installed Home Assistant OS on an RPI 4. I'm able to connect to the dashboard. I found the restart command under Dev Tools, but I'm not sure if it's just restarting Home Assistant, or if it's actually rebooting the PI. I feel so silly asking this here, but I haven't been able to find a clear answer. How do I restart the entire device gracefully? I don't want to just yank the power out.

[grand pivot]

-> System -> Hardware ->

[true mirage]

Wow! I went to that system hardware page earlier, but it just looked like an information page. I didn't think to look in the . Thank you!!

[feral cedar]

Lets try here. SO I can't seem to get a working version of HA installed. I am using ESXi, and I have folloed all the directions, and I end up with something that I can't upload my backup to, or if I create an account, I can't even get into the backup screen cause " Could not load the Supervisor panel!""

[neat bison]

Hey guys, I have HA OS setup on a virtual box vm (on an old windows7 laptop) and was trying to enable remote access, except I'm not finding home assistant on my router's device list. Everything else works perfectly fine, can access home assistant via ip address and homeassistant.local. I have a nest wifi router (with 2 mesh points) and the only way to port forward is through the google home app, where you have to select a device to forward. What should I do?

[jovial pivot]

trying to get Zigbee2MQTT going but I get a 502 bad gateway, where do I ask for help please?

[livid moat]

is here the right place to ask about mounting issues in HAOS?

[crude inlet]

@jovial pivot you're either not waiting long enough for it to start or it isn't starting and you need to check the addon logs or supervisor logs

[odd imp]

@jovial pivot either in the integrations or in the zigbee channel

[jovial pivot]

its nopt starting....logs say so, its buggy. ZHA worked immediately

[mild gulch]

i have an old setup that has not been updated in a long time. i don't remember much about it, but my supervisor has stopped working as it an old and unsupported. i cannot restore any backups or SSH in. can my supervisor be updated?
`version: core-2021.4.4
installation_type: Home Assistant OS
dev: false
hassio: true
docker: true
virtualenv: false
python_version: 3.8.7
os_name: Linux
os_version: 5.4.83-v7
arch: armv7l
timezone: America/New_York

[abstract hearth]

@mild gulch posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://hastebin.com/ubiqejobas

[jovial pivot]

googling and to set ha o hard reset I can just rename the config folder and reboot?

[compact quest]

Hello, can someone steer me in the right direction? I'm running HA OS on Odroid HC4. HC4 is a sister board to C4, which is officially supported. The difference is, HC4 has 2 SATA ports instead of extra USB ports on C4. The issue is, HA OS doesn't seem to recognise these SATA ports nor the PCI bus they are attached to. lspci returns an empty response. (I am using root access through port 22222). I thought it was an easy fix and replaced the C4 dtb file in hassos-boot to the appropriate HC4 dtb. I also edited the boot.scr file to reflect this change. However, even though the system boots successfully, HA OS still doesn't see the PCI bus. What am I doing wrong? The dtb I am using is from a debian repo, could that be the issue?

[flint ravine]

Had some issues installing. I can't (at this stage) remove the boot media from my device to write the image directly to it. I should be able to boot from live Linux USB and write the image that way. Booted Ubuntu and did Try Ubuntu, but I seemed unable to run Etcher from the download (It was set with execute permissions), and the apt method of getting it kept failing with missing uninstallable required libraries.
I have a Debian Live image on USB now that I'll try tonight, so hopefully, that will work.
But just in case I'm missing something:
Anyone else got a good solid procedure and sources to boot live and write the image to installed media?

Looking forward to getting this up and running and trying things out.
I have a ConBee II Zigbee USB stick and an Alexa Excho 2. Getting some sensors coming soon.
Would enjoy getting involved in the coding side as well at some point. Some learning to do yet.

[raw hedge]

Do you not have another computer?

[slender olive]

I have installed HASS on WSL, and it looks great except there is no Addons link under Settings. Is that something I can enable somewhere?

[grand pivot]

Nope. Sounds like you installed the container

[slender olive]

Is that what this does?
https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/windows#install-home-assistant-core

[grand pivot]

That's not even the container install

In any case, no, you don't get the supervisor and can't use addons with that install type

[dusty wren]

i by accidentally corrupted my home assistant .qcow2 file so now home assistant will not boot at all. is there a way to fix the file?

[flint ravine]

Ok, looks like a debian live image seems to have sorted it, though not sure of the reason. So I've been able to download the image and etcher, and write the image to internal storage.

[raw hedge]

Use a vm if you really want addons. VMware player personal use is free, virtual box is free, hyper-v is built into windows pro and above

[little swift]

added an S2 SSD to my Mini PC, but not sure if its recognized by the system.

how can I check that? Move datadisk says I can select /dev/sda which is my goal, but id like to be sure before I enter the command...

I just inserted it into the slot and booted. Didnt change anything in Bios (yet)

[crude inlet]

@little swift are there any other drives connected?

[little swift]

no, only the inrternal emmc

I now also see in All Hardware there's a separate nvme0n1 listed for the Samsung S2 SSD

DEVNAME: /dev/nvme0n1

so why does that not show up in the Move menu....

[crude inlet]

sda sounds correct

If you use fdisk -l in the host terminal you should see the list

[little swift]

isnt there some cli command I can enter to check

[crude inlet]

But not in the ssh add-on

[little swift]

I entered that in a terminal window and it does nothing..

this is the 22 port, not the 22222 port. do I need the latter?

[crude inlet]

That's an addon

[little swift]

no, this is the mac terminal app

[crude inlet]

You need to be at the host console (22222 or directly connected with keyboard)

[little swift]

ok

i see it now

[crude inlet]

The Mac terminal is being used as a client. Port 22 implies you are connecting to the ssh addon

[little swift]

no because I have the autorized keys file registered and can 22222 in

[crude inlet]

Yes, but 22 is one of the ssh add-ons.

[little swift]

Im in now with 22222

[crude inlet]

22 is not available on the host

Right

[undone sentinel]

i'm trying to add node-red to my home assistant so far no luck even trying to get it up and running
i have read that documentation on the website and written my docker-compose accordingly
https://paste.debian.net/1244741/ now when i run docker compose i get following error
ERROR: Service "node-red" uses an undefined network "node-red-net"

[little swift]

seeing Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 115.23 GiB, 123731968000 bytes, 241664000 sectors whihc is my emmc

and Disk /dev/nvme0n1: 465.76 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors which is the S2 ssd

/dev/sda is mentioned nowhere...except in the All Hardware list inside HA

[sharp cape]

Which installation do you guys recommend to use with Proxmox, VM, container?

I read people installing the core version, others intalling the OS

[crude inlet]

Proxmox is generally used for VMs, and in turn people generally run HA OS as a VM

[little swift]

/dev/disk/by-id/usb-Generic_STORAGE_DEVICE-0:0 seems to be some remnant of a usb drive, not indicating to be the nvme drive at all...

[sharp cape]

and unraid is more for docker containers?

[crude inlet]

Unraid does both containers (the app store) and vms

[sharp cape]

I'm just trying to figure out what would best fit my needs, pro proxmox people seems to be extremly against unraid

[crude inlet]

Proxmox does both too, but if you have unraid I wouldn't bother with proxmox

[sharp cape]

I do not use any of them yet

I run home assistant on a rasberry pi

[crude inlet]

Lol I have unraid and I think proxmox is overrated

[sharp cape]

but I bought a decent tower to use as a server

[little swift]

@crude inlet, sorry to bother, but can you have another look please? Should I maybe format the S2 somehow

[crude inlet]

@little swift you can, but I don't think that would change anything. Just a sec

[little swift]

sure, thx

[crude inlet]

I formatted one I have here and it shows as sda2

sorry, sda

I guess you could try formatting it with the mac and choosing the FAT option

[little swift]

what I did was unpack it, and slide it into the card holder in the mini pc and booted, so it went straight into HAOS

[crude inlet]

oh so it's not a usb attached drive

[little swift]

no! its inside the Mini PC

thats why I dont understand the /dev/sda in the first place, there is nothing attached to the pc besides power and lan

[crude inlet]

Why not just use the whole thing if it's a mini pc?

why use the move data method?

[little swift]

uhm,... dont know... it has 128 gb emmc and thats how I bought it, and installed HAOS on it

and now I added the S2, so I need to move the data

can I ping you later please, I need to go out of the office for a couple

[crude inlet]

sure

[crude inlet]

if it is something you plan to add more drives to along the way, then unraid would be good

[sharp cape]

Do you run home assistant in a VM or core in a docker

[crude inlet]

I've got both running but if I were to use one daily it would be the VM

[sharp cape]

People say run Core in Docker, I guess every addons would be individual containers and other poeple say run OS in a VM

[crude inlet]

You can do that, yeah. Core HA running in a docker container, and yes, all other available software out there in the world which can be run as containers. You would use docker compose to configure that environment

HA OS is a more limited environment and docker is managed for you

[sharp cape]

I guess first option just use less ressources

[crude inlet]

It probably uses less, but not significantly I'd say

[sharp cape]

I thought the HA OS is the full that has everything

[crude inlet]

It has backups, it has the store for add-ons, but the add-on store is not as broad as having access to "anything you can find at dockerhub"

[sharp cape]

And how do you make a container compatible with core? throught configuration? Normally you just click install

[undone sentinel]

got it to work by change folder permissions apparently a known issue with node-red on synology

[crude inlet]

It depends on what you mean by compatible. In the majority of cases it's just a completely separate service/server and is not related to HA.

For example, you have the HA server. You add another container which provides Mariadb or Plex. You then configure HA (using integrations) to connect to those and make use of them

The same way you would if they were running on independent PCs

[sharp cape]

Like rode-red, you just run it and it will be compatible with your home assistant instance ?

[crude inlet]

The node red add-on comes with the HA node included and the connection details already configured, but yeah you would just add those yourself

node? Package? I forget the term

[sharp cape]

Exactly what I was wondering, so you have to edit the node-red configuration to make it compatible

and it's probably the same with most

like Samba share

[raw hedge]

See here for the list of packages https://github.com/hassio-addons/addon-node-red/blob/main/node-red/package.json

@sharp cape

[tender wren]

Little question about HA migration. I want to move from a Raspi to another host with an extra storage for user data. If I set up the new host and move user data to the extra storage, will uploading a backup of the old Raspi (without extra storage) undo that or will all the user data be written to the previously configured extra storage?

[crude inlet]

@tender wren HA OS?

[tender wren]

@crude inlet Yes.

[crude inlet]

You should set up the new host, then restore your backup to it. The data will be restored to where ever the current /data partition is

[tender wren]

Thank you! 👍

[placid sage]

Buongiorno io ho un problema col Sensibo Sky. In pratica la spia blu nn è più accesa se lo stacco e riattacco alla corrente mi lampeggia la spia blu poi mi rimane fissa un paio di secondi e poi mi si spegne . Che problema può essere?

[crude inlet]

Sensibo would be a topic covered by#integrations-archived and in english please, to keep moderation simple

[placid sage]

Hello I have a problem with the Sensibo Sky. In practice, the blue light is no longer on if the disconnection and reconnection to the current flashes the blue light then stays fixed for a couple of seconds and then turns off. What problem can that be?

[feral quest]

Using the buienradar integration for my weather. But for some reason the temperature is unavailable. everything else works fine. What could be going wrong?

http://werra11.eu/i/21-06-22_o7ax2LWR.png

[tepid hearth]

Anyone have issues with updating on the first go with a Raspberry pi ... keep getting errors on installation

[viscid sigil]

Which errors?

[strange fossil]

Hi there, I tried to run HASS on an Raspi with SSD instead of the SD Card. The installation stuck with the following error. I hope you can help me solve the issue:

22-06-22 13:59:50 INFO (SyncWorker_4) [supervisor.docker.interface] Downloading docker image ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi4-64-homeassistant with tag 2022.6.6.
22-06-22 13:59:51 ERROR (SyncWorker_4) [supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi4-64-homeassistant:2022.6.6: 404 Client Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.41/images/ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi4-64-homeassistant:2022.6.6/json: Not Found ("no such image: ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi4-64-homeassistant:2022.6.6: No such image: ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi4-64-homeassistant:2022.6.6")
22-06-22 13:59:51 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Error on Home Assistant installation. Retry in 30sec

i flashed the SSD via balea etcher as it is mentioned on the installation guide page.

[flat kelp]

I was actually getting this exact same error, installed it onto an pi4 in an argon ssd case and thought maybe it didnt like that for some reason. Ended up just doing a core install though

[dawn flame]

It's not finding the source to install once it boots. Possible network issue, more likely the source is missing at that URL.

[slender olive]

I am trying to install hassio on VirtualBox, per instructions at: https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/windows

I am using the .vdi at that link, and VirtualBox 6.1.34, on Windows 11 Pro.

Things initially seem good, sometimes for quite a while, then I start seeing "rcu: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks ..." and things seem to get stuck, usually the VM totally hangs and needs a hard reset: https://i.imgur.com/pSzbTPq.png

Is this a known issue with a quick and easy fix? It would be great if it was.

(I do see GitHub #1705, but none of the suggestions there are being helpful)

[clever forge]

I'm having SSL certificate errors due to the system clock is earlier than the valid dates for the certificates. So it appears that NTP is not setting the time properly, so I am looking for a way to manually set the time.

[jovial pivot]

on what?

if its linux you can setup ntp or chrony

[tepid hearth]

I am getting the same error as yogi

[jovial pivot]

systemctl stop ntpd ; ntpdate ; systemctl start ntpd

[tepid hearth]

keeps looping trying to download docker image

[jovial pivot]

are you running a docker-compose file?

[tepid hearth]

no just flashed on a Pi

[jovial pivot]

is it the 64bit image>

?

ie i think it has to be?

its been a while since I used a pi

too expensive these days

[tepid hearth]

there is a 32 bit version but I am using 64

[cosmic mesa]

was the 2022.6.7 pulled? my update is timing out. and im seeing this error in supervisor
22-06-22 16:59:02 ERROR (SyncWorker_5) [supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2022.6.7: 404 Client Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.41/images/ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2022.6.7/json: Not Found ("no such image: ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2022.6.7: No such image: ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2022.6.7")

[kind lichen]

I am racking my brain trying to get linuxseever.io/swag working working with HomeAssistant to access HomeAssistant remotely.

Is this the right place to ask those types of questions?

[clever forge]

Just installed the Raspberry pi 64 bit image, on startup the time update step times out, I have not yet enabled the SSH debug mode…. It’s a bit of a pain as I don’t seem to have a USB flash drive that I can spare at the moment. It would be really nice to have an easier way to add SSH keys….

I think if the CLI allowed setting time manually than I could get past this issue. It would be nice if the raspberry pi images would at least forward the time to when the image was generated if NTP update failed.

I haven’t checked yet, i wonder if the NTP is secured with SSL so the invalid cert date is preventing the update of time…

[crude inlet]

@clever forge if you can see all of this you have access. Why would you need the ssh?

Enter login

[clever forge]

That worked… but it’s not documented in the online help…

[obsidian sandal]

Hey all, im running HA Supervised, and suddenly i got it not working one morning

Supervisor is not loading in Docker as i see in portainer

I can manualy run HA, from portainer (it is cut without supervised addon panel in it)

can anyone help me using teamviewer on my pc to fix that, ive tried lots of commands with no luck

thats what i get in HA logs

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/runpy.py", line 197, in _run_module_as_main
return _run_code(code, main_globals, None,
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/runpy.py", line 87, in _run_code
exec(code, run_globals)
File "/usr/src/supervisor/supervisor/main.py", line 41, in
coresys = loop.run_until_complete(bootstrap.initialize_coresys())
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/asyncio/base_events.py", line 647, in run_until_complete
return future.result()
File "/usr/src/supervisor/supervisor/bootstrap.py", line 63, in initialize_coresys
coresys = CoreSys()
File "/usr/src/supervisor/supervisor/coresys.py", line 66, in init
self._docker: DockerAPI = DockerAPI()
File "/usr/src/supervisor/supervisor/docker/init.py", line 106, in init
self._info: DockerInfo = DockerInfo.new(self.docker.info())
File "/usr/src/supervisor/supervisor/docker/init.py", line 62, in new
data["CgroupVersion"],
KeyError: 'CgroupVersion'
22-06-23 05:09:09 ERROR (MainThread) [asyncio] Unclosed client session
client_session:
[05:09:09] WARNING: Halt Supervisor

[flat kelp]

just saw that dropped today and was curious if it was working.

[static fox]

I’ve just installed the official image in Truenas Scale. Here is the problem. The HA application will keep deploying if I tick “enable host network”. Conversely, if I don’t tick it, HomeKit cannot connect to HA. I have no idea how to fix it.

[obsidian sandal]

i want to delete supervised container form portainer and reinstall supervisor

my addons (node red etc will also be deleted by this action?)

[placid sage]

Helpers integration is missing, how can i enable it please ?

same for supervisor

running 2022.6.6

[grand pivot]

'Helpers' are a set of integrations. What exactly is missing?

[placid sage]

i don't have the button Helpers

the menu i mean

[grand pivot]

That?

[placid sage]

Settings -> Devices & Services -> Helpers

i don't have that

[placid sage]

neither the screenshot you showed

[grand pivot]

That?

[placid sage]

i dont have it yes

how do you enable it ?

[grand pivot]

And you have the others?

[placid sage]

i ve that only: https://imgur.com/a/eNaTUYl

i dont see the icons like you

[grand pivot]

What version of HA are you using?

[placid sage]

Home Assistant Core 2022.6.6

https://imgur.com/a/glBDi5W

[grand pivot]

isn't the fourth one there "Helpers"?

[placid sage]

?

[grand pivot]

there are four things at the top there. the fourth one

#installation-archived message

[placid sage]

the fouth point are "information d'identification de l'application"

identification information of the application

[grand pivot]

from the screenshot that I linked to

last one

[placid sage]

oh yes ! THANKS

https://imgur.com/a/ZbFdWSE

the URL is helper inside

https://xxxxxxxxxxxx8123/config/helpers

got it !

why do i have "Entrées" ?

Entrées is Entries

not very speaking

how can i have like you the icon and the correct name ?

[grand pivot]

that's the mobile view

[abstract hearth]

Want to see what issues are open (or were open and are now closed)?

• The core (backend) - for HA itself, and integrations
• The frontend (UI) - for cards and display issues
• The Supervisor
• HassOS
• The documentation

Don't forget to check for any alerts

If you think an upgrade broke something then:

1. Downgrade to the previous version to check if it works correctly there
2. If it does then change the logger settings for that integration to debug
3. Upgrade to the new version again
4. Look in the logs for errors
5. Open an issue, following the template provided and including the log information

Command '~issues' was invoked by: RobC

[grand pivot]

translations are handled through lokalise, but you can also file a frontend issue and see if it's picked up

[placid sage]

just checked, on mobile, i got indeed the icon but same name

Integrations / Appareils / Entités / Entrées

[grand pivot]

if you disagree with the translation

[placid sage]

😄

i was confused many people told me previously "GO TO HELPERS" and i was not seeing it

many thanks

now i know where is it 🙂

[grand pivot]

When in doubt, I encourage clicking around in the UI to see what you find

you were already on that page

[placid sage]

the name was so different that i didn't imagine it could be that

i mean helpers => aide in french

anyway got it now

about Supervisor

[grand pivot]

https://developers.home-assistant.io/docs/translations/

[placid sage]

it is something i can have ?

[grand pivot]

how did you install HA?

[placid sage]

in a venv

[grand pivot]

then, no

[placid sage]

4 years ago

2018 in fact

time flies

so Supervisors is reserved to HASS ?

[grand pivot]

HASS isn't a specific thing

It's a available in Home Assistant OS and Supervised installations

[sinful coral]

HI all. I am new to HA, but plan to install it on an old Dell Optiplex (Core 2 Duo @ 2.93GHz, 8 GB ram). Just wondering what the best approach here would be with this rig? Go linux (no desktop)?

[unique tulip]

Hey i need help with DuckDNS can someone help me?

[viscid sigil]

#add-ons-archived can

[vagrant parcel]

Depends on what you want, but I run Home Assistant Supervised via Debian on my HP EliteDesk 800 G6: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/installing-home-assistant-supervised-on-debian-11/200253

[harsh solstice]

or you could run debian/ubuntu server with HA installed via docker+portainer/yacht

[north steppe]

Hello, i installed HA on a virtual machine on my laptop (for testing purposes) - My addon store is blank, can someone help me?

[north steppe]

https://ibb.co/CsMzHDv

https://ibb.co/jTFh563

[fresh marten]

You added the ESP-Home repo manually? maybe you made a mistake when doing this, idk

you shuld have 3 dots in the corner
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989860059938951179/989860106520895508/unknown.png

[north steppe]

no i didnt add anything manually - the esphome was right there after installation

i have 3 dots in corner, when i try to add "https://github.com/hassio-addons/repository" it says "Invalid Add-on repository"

[fresh marten]

odd, try a diffrent browser
Or run in a shell window ha core rebuild maaaybe it helps

[north steppe]

when i reload browser the repository is added on manage repositorys

but i cant se any addons 😦

i have no idea of shell ( i am a beginner)

[fresh marten]

connect to your VM like you would do with any other VM

ever pressed check for updates?

oooor

https://tenor.com/view/hello-it-have-you-tried-turning-it-off-and-on-again-telephone-on-call-gif-15495555

[north steppe]

i restarted HA and the VM several times through the process, of course i clicked for check for updates

[high token]

is there anything on the list in the 3dots?

[north steppe]

repositories, check for updates, entries

[high token]

yeah in the repositories I mean

is there just ESPHOME listed as a url?

[north steppe]

https://ibb.co/tJ5cW2t

like i said, they are both in it (the ESPHOME was auto added on installation, the second item was added by me)

[high token]

the fact it's also saying unknown is weird

go to your profile (bottom right the cirle) and find advanced mode

[north steppe]

i already activated advanced mode

[high token]

Hmm right

so it's really not saying either Official or Community repositories

[north steppe]

https://ibb.co/VtygHNw

this should be good too

[north steppe]

no

[high token]

the supervisor logs?

no errors there either?

[north steppe]

where can i find them?

[high token]

Under System

do I see it right that you have bridged a wifi adapter for the VM?

[north steppe]

yes

https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/windows

on point 5 on the installation, they say bridged adapter

[high token]

bridged is required yes but often bridging over a wifi adapter doesn't work

only over ethernet

[north steppe]

should i try another option here?

[high token]

that said when it doesn't work you can't even install HA in the first place

[north steppe]

btw: thanks for your help guys ❤️

[high token]

if it is the wifi adapter though I'd expect errors in Supervisor logs

[north steppe]

22-06-24 14:12:25 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.store.git] Can't clone https://github.com/esphome/home-assistant-addon repository: Cmd('git') failed due to: exit code(128)
cmdline: git clone -v --recursive --depth=1 --shallow-submodules https://github.com/esphome/home-assistant-addon /data/addons/git/5c53de3b
stderr: 'Cloning into '/data/addons/git/5c53de3b'...
fatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/esphome/home-assistant-addon/': Could not resolve host: github.com
'.

and a warning:

22-06-24 14:20:21 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.store.git] No valid repository for https://github.com/home-assistant/addons

[fresh marten]

https://i.imgur.com/3pqehzj.png

your VM either has no internet access or an issue with DNS

[high token]

I'm just surprised he managed to get HA downloaded

[north steppe]

ouch

how can i solve this?

[high token]

not being harsh. I mean it literally as on fresh installation the OS has to download the latest HA image

it's not included

so surprised it (the OS) managed to downloaded HA but not resolve the addons

you can try setting manual DNS servers under Settings --> System --> Network

if you have ethernet as an option I would try bridging the ethernet adapter to the VM instead though

[fresh marten]

https://my.home-assistant.io/redirect/config/system/network ?

eeh, bummer

https://my.home-assistant.io/redirect/config

[high token]

you're close

[fresh marten]

Nah, probably my.home-assistant needs config

[high token]

https://my.home-assistant.io/redirect/network/

[fresh marten]

dang 😄

[high token]

were you trying to guess them?

[fresh marten]

jep, didnt found network in the dropdown

[north steppe]

ok i found mistake in the network tab: my router (where vm is running) has the gateway 192.168.2.1 - the main router (where ethernet is connected has 192.168.1.1 (this should be my DNS right? ) i changed to static and changed the DNS but its not working

https://ibb.co/gWCCsbq

Addons are named correctly now, but i cant see them

22-06-24 14:52:21 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.store] Loading add-ons from store: 39 all - 0 new - 3 remove
22-06-24 14:52:21 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.store] Loading add-ons from store: 39 all - 0 new - 0 remove
22-06-24 14:52:53 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Detect a running Home Assistant instance

[high token]

try the check for updates button in the addon store again

[north steppe]

i tried already

[high token]

and still only seeing ESPHOME?

[north steppe]

yes sir

😦

trying another browser now

[high token]

did you reboot after changing to static?

[north steppe]

yes

[high token]

HA or the VM?

[north steppe]

both

[high token]

try also su repair on the console

[north steppe]

console is where?

[high token]

in Virtualbox

there should be somewhere to open up the VM's console

[north steppe]

got it

[high token]

it should already be at ha >

[north steppe]

yes

got it thanks

ok its a browser thing

firefox doesnt show - edge shows it

[high token]

tried flashing cache on FF?

[north steppe]

of course

i restart pc

[high token]

does on edge also the other repository show not as unknown anymore?

[north steppe]

that helped sometimes 🙂

ESPHOME is unknown

but its working ❤️

what repository do i nee to add to have the mosquitto addon?

[high token]

that's part of the official addons so it shouldn't be needed to add one

[north steppe]

where are the official ones?

[high token]

you should be seeing these

[north steppe]

yes

but first one is unknown here

[high token]

But there are 3 in the store: Official Addons, Community Addons and ESPHOME

[north steppe]

but i have no official ones 😦

[high token]

Do the community ones show at least now?

[north steppe]

https://ibb.co/GPppp0L

only 2 lines unfortunately

[high token]

go to that uknown one and unistall it

then it should let you delete it from the list (where it's greyed out now)

[north steppe]

cannot unistall it

wtf 🙂

Error fetching addon info: Addon 5c53de3b_esphome does not exist

[hollow otter]

I am running HASS on mac. I could access to UI in that macbook through homeassistant.local:8123. I am trying to access it from other computer via 'localip':8123. the login page is showed up, but never succeeded to login. Is there anyone familiar with this?

[high token]

@north steppe did you try the repair command or gave up since it worked on edge?

[north steppe]

i tried the su repair a few seconds ago

now restarting everything

[high token]

this is completely new install right? You haven't even configured anything yet or?

[north steppe]

yes sir

i will do a new one with correct dns

[high token]

exactly

a lot faster at this point

[high token]

homeassistant.local should also work locally

how did you install HA?

[hollow otter]

I used virtualmachine and run the downloaded image.

[high token]

what does it do after you click to log in?

[hollow otter]

homeassistant.local works, but cannot login with ip access

it says Invalid username or password

I created another account from homeassistant.local, but still cannot login via localip access.

[high token]

weird

on the macbook itself also IP doesn't work

[hollow otter]

exactly

[high token]

homeassistant.local reflects the IP so if anything it should be the other way round

and homeassistant.local doesn't work through another computer?

[hollow otter]

oh it works!

I thought homeassistant.local pointing the computer itself.

[high token]

hostname.local points to the IP from the router

but that's why it's strange

in most cases it's the .local that doesn't work

we even say to people use the IP

[north steppe]

big thanks to @high token and also @fresh marten - its working now

[hollow otter]

Does it mean that ".local" from computer A and computer B should point to the different IP?

[high token]

it should point to the same IP no matter what computer or phone you use in the same network

is the IP you're using definitely correct?

I guess so if HA shows up

[hollow otter]

Yes login ui showed up

Weird. But I am glad it works. Thanks you so much!!!!

[heady nova]

So I'm new to anything that isn't Mac or Windows and I can't find how to install home assistant on a machine itself without a vm, I have a small windows machine that I no longer use that I plan on using.

[iron tundra]

Hello can someone help me, I installed Hassio on a freshly set up rapbian light from the point where I entered Hass "WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.setup] Setup of default_config is taking over 10 seconds."
still after 20 minutes what do i wrong?

[heady nova]

Never mind I found it

[high token]

flashing the drive essentially if you're talking about HAOS

[high token]

how did you install HA?

and which of all the PIs?

[iron tundra]

rpi 3

https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/raspberrypi/

Install Home Assistant Core

[high token]

Ah you went with the harder option

so it's still on the onboarding with the blue dot?

[iron tundra]

ok what for a blue dot?

[high token]

are you in HA or?

or it's not even coming up in the browser?

[iron tundra]

no nothing works with the browser

the terminal is still open

[high token]

I've never used the HA Core installation so I have no idea how to even troubleshoot that one

[iron tundra]

ok thanks now is installed the dockers now when i restart hass it shows me "The system could not validate that the sqlite3 database at //home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/home-assistant_v2.db was shutdown cleanly" can i delet the file

[grand pivot]

Yes, you can delete that file

[crude inlet]

That indicates you shut down dirty. It doesn't mean the db is a problem

[wide wind]

Someone who moved from haos to containers in proxmox can share how painful the migration was?

Trying to dodge the bullet of haos looping on me

[raw hedge]

Only as painful as your lack of knowledge

For some of us it’s just a minor annoyance

[fresh marten]

I would say painfulnes depends on the amount of your addons.
For HA itself, you can just rsync the config directory, done

[river moth]

I ran into some trouble upgrading homeassistant core after upgrading from Python3.8 to Python3.10
So I backed up /srv/homeassistant and /home/homeassistant/.homeassistant and reinstalled... I'd prefer not having to set up my user accounts, etc. is it safe to copy the old hass database (2021.10) to the fresh install? (I haven't started hass for the first time yet)

[crude inlet]

I don't think there will be any physical injuries

[grand pivot]

the database only has state information, it won't help with any setup

[fresh marten]

youre running in a venv or what?
user acounts should live in .homeassistant/.config

[crude inlet]

User accounts aren't going to be in the database

[river moth]

ah, alright, so I need to copy over the .config folder instead?

[river moth]

you'd be surprised; I've sprained an arm over less

and yes; running in venv 🙂

[fresh marten]

personaly I would just throw over the whole HA config, but yea
To put a finger in the wound.. how are your backups?

[river moth]

pretty OK normally, my entire drive is backed up every month... but would still need to migrate to 3.10 at some point

[river moth]

it would seem I've entered into a world of pain 😂 I hate python upgrades with a passion...

[iron dawn]

Hello brother does it support Home Assistant OS asus tinker edge r

[grand pivot]

I hope you're aware that the container installation handles all that for you

[river moth]

I am... but I prefer the control I have over the yaml files using Core

each time I end up trying any other install method, I end up switching back to Core

[storm sluice]

thats the same everywhere isnt it?

[grand pivot]

You still have complete control of your YAML files 🤷

[raw hedge]

Some people are just built different and love pain

[grand pivot]

I at least want the pain to be deserved and come with understanding rather than a product of FUD

[hasty basin]

Can somebody help me get this installed because I bought it at a yard sale

[wide wind]

Never buy a home assistant at a yard sale 🤣

[grand pivot]

thought it might be a toaster

[high token]

I have so many questions

[native edge]

hey guys so I tried the supervised installation but i have some permissions problems right at the end (I guess) of the start process

I am really not sure what s6-supervise landingpage is :D
When prompted to select a platform (rpi1 /2 /3 /4 generic etc.) I selected rpi3, but I am not running on a raspberry pi, I am running armbian on a bananapro, not sure if this is a immediate hint to some problem :D

I hope someone can get me on the right track to get it running ^^

Jun 25 02:05:15 Home-Assistant systemd[1]: Started Hostname Service.
Jun 25 02:05:15 Home-Assistant dbus-daemon[938]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.timedate1' unit='dbus-org.freedesktop.timedate1.service' requested by ':1.75' (uid=0 pid=4387 comm="python3 -m supervisor ")
Jun 25 02:05:15 Home-Assistant systemd[1]: Starting Time & Date Service...
Jun 25 02:05:16 Home-Assistant systemd[1]: Started Time & Date Service.
Jun 25 02:05:16 Home-Assistant b27e8fcf1aae[3384]: 22-06-25 02:05:16 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.host.services] Updating service information
Jun 25 02:05:17 Home-Assistant b27e8fcf1aae[3384]: 22-06-25 02:05:17 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.host.network] Updating local network information
Jun 25 02:05:19 Home-Assistant 03159e78eea1[3384]: s6-supervise landingpage (child): fatal: unable to exec run: Permission denied
Jun 25 02:05:19 Home-Assistant 03159e78eea1[3384]: s6-supervise landingpage: warning: unable to spawn ./run - waiting 10 seconds
Jun 25 02:05:19 Home-Assistant b27e8fcf1aae[3384]: 22-06-25 02:05:19 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.resolution.evaluate] System evaluation complete
Jun 25 02:05:19 Home-Assistant b27e8fcf1aae[3384]: 22-06-25 02:05:19 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.resolution.fixup] Starting system autofix at state CoreState.RUNNING
Jun 25 02:05:19 Home-Assistant b27e8fcf1aae[3384]: 22-06-25 02:05:19 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.resolution.fixup] System autofix complete
Jun 25 02:05:19 Home-Assistant b27e8fcf1aae[3384]: 22-06-25 02:05:19 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.host.sound] Updating PulseAudio information

[grand pivot]

that's an unsupported configuration

[abstract hearth]

@native edge posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://hastebin.com/owefojanam

[grand pivot]

please stop posting giant logs

[native edge]

sorry

but whats the s6-supervise servie landingpage ?

[grand pivot]

you're trying to use the hardest installation method on an unsupported OS

you're going to run into problems and I recommend backing away slowly and choosing a different installation method

[native edge]

yea I guess I will go for core, don't think i need addons

but I am still wondering what the landingpage service tries to do :D
and what s6-supervise stands for ^^

[native edge]

so it actually worked,
until now everything seems fine, I am guessing the landingpage service is used for setup ?

[crude inlet]

@native edge landing page is what you see in the browser before you have an install, during setup

[placid sage]

i just did a new install. on my rpi 4 using m2 hdd, in argon. But i wont show up in my network... any ideas?

[storm sluice]

check the host console? how is it connected?

[royal harbor]

Good day everybody.
I'm trying to set up a zigbee network using a Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 usb dongle. Everything works fine when I run Home Assistant OS in a raspberry pi 3+ I have laying around. So no hardware issues!

The problem happens when I try to use the same device in my raspberry pi 4 using HomeAssistant via docker or even the dietpi provided version of Home Assistant.
The dongle is recognised but I can't add/pair any zigbee devices. Does anyone here ever faced something like it?

If I'm supposed to ask this in #integrations-archived or #general-archived, please, let me know 🙂

[grand pivot]

Sounds like #zigbee-archived

[placid sage]

Hi i just received a message that says im low on disk space in my VM, what could e the issue here ? ive alocated definietly enough space. Im using M1 Mac Mini and the VM is Home Assistant on UTM

[grand pivot]

Logs? Database?

[royal harbor]

I haven't seen the #zigbee-archived 🤦‍♂️
I'm recreating the containers here. I'll put logs in a pastebin and post there!

[placid sage]

Sorry I’m new to this whole thing, what did You meant with that ?

[grand pivot]

I mean that logs and the database consume space

[placid sage]

But I have like 64gb allocated… that should kinda be enough ?…

[grand pivot]

look at the files in your config directory for ones that are larger than you would expect

[placid sage]

Ok, tried to find the directory on my own with 0 results... could You please help out and give a tip on where it could be ?...

[grand pivot]

?

/config

where did you look?

[placid sage]

im like totally new to all this stuff... started from 0 couple weeks ago and im super basic in all this stuff... em ive looked into some folders on my mac ...

like im so basic so that /config says me nothing ... 😄

[humble mirage]

https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/configuration/#editing-configurationyaml

[placid sage]

Red about that, i got the Studio Code Server installed but like thats all 😄

[humble mirage]

If you're stuck with using the add-on then I'm sure #add-ons-archived can explain it

[placid sage]

I just dont beleve that im out of space... like 64gb with 3 automations and like 20 devices ...

[humble mirage]

You don't have to believe it for it to be true 😉

[fallen ridge]

I am just going through setup, things seem to be working fine now, but I wasted a few hours due to the conflicting info on wifi configuration! Is there a good place to suggest that this info: https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/blob/dev/Documentation/network.md#enabling-wifi be included on this page: https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/raspberrypi#start-up-your-raspberry-pi

Very important for those of us with no ethernet on the pi!

[humble mirage]

At the bottom of every page on the docs there's some useful links...

I know that nobody actually reads the whole page, but scroll to the bottom and have a look

[fallen ridge]

Sweet, thanks @humble mirage

[grand pivot]

The most important advice is 'don't use Wi-Fi for your server'

[placid sage]

If Youve ment me, ive red the whole page 🙂

[humble mirage]

Not you, no

[placid sage]

Ok, sry, im also new to Discord, this whole new world takes a time to learn 😄

[fallen ridge]

@grand pivot If it becomes a permanent installation I will get a pi with a PoE hat, for now I'm just installing on my existing 3A+ to verify I can use the sensors preexisting in my house

@humble mirage I did some extra reading before providing feedback, and found that exact feedback has already been provided and shot down. Kinda short sighted imho

[humble mirage]

Well, WiFi on server is a terrible idea

Of course, the Pi also generally makes a pretty poor server

The Pi4 with an SSD isn't so bad though

[fallen ridge]

It's usually pretty convenient to try new projects like this with an image for the pi, and not all pi's have ethernet

[humble mirage]

[fallen ridge]

I tried adding a my-network file, and it never seemed to grab it. I then used the command line to connect my wifi, and then the install was "unsupported" so I had to do some more digging. I think I have fixed it now that I found the ha command to connect.

Seems like a very powerful project! I love that I connected it up and in 2 minutes it's telling me my printer is low on toner 😄

[novel bolt]

Google Calendar

[twin cypress]

Hi can someone please help me with nginx

[dawn flame]

What's the question on NGINX?

[twin cypress]

can I use nginx for my locally hosted apps/services only on my local network. I do not intend to access these services outside my local network

Thanks @dawn flame

[dawn flame]

You can, but there's no reason to do so. NGINX is a reverse proxy intended to allow you to expose things to the internet using SSL.

[twin cypress]

Ah that is good to know .. what's the best option then ? I have few services running in portainer as well

[dawn flame]

Better to simply use the IP address to access it or IF you insist on using names, set it up in your router (if you have a router capable of doing so)

[twin cypress]

I have Eero

[dawn flame]

I have no experience with that one. I just bookmark the stuff I need locally and do it that way.

[twin cypress]

Thanks @dawn flame , appreciate your help. You saved me from going into a never ending dark tunnel

[dawn flame]

Using NGINX would allow you to do what you want to do, but it would also expose it to the internet (securely provided the service can be secured). Not the way you wish to do it if it's not intended to be accessed remotely. For local use only, go the easiest route possible and keep it simple. 🙂

[high token]

Doesn't something like Adguard have DNS rewrites so you can define a name there to point to a specific IP?

otherwise if you want like a main dashboard for all your services maybe something like Dashy

[twin cypress]

I will try Adguard , trying to keep it simple for my kids to use

remembering IP is always a pia

Pia = pain in ass

[dawn flame]

What are you trying to do??? AdGuard isn't for that either....

[twin cypress]

also FYI - I have ProxMox running

Home Assistant / Node-Red / Zigbeemqqtt / Zwavemqtt / Homebrige / Paperless-ngx / NextCloud / Linkace (all selfhosted) running on ProxMox to start with ..

Planning to add plex / pictures later

[dawn flame]

Is there a reason you are running ProxMox or just familiar with it? I run Docker instead.

[twin cypress]

No reason - I have other services running outside docker

I also have TrueNas running

[placid sage]

i did a new install on my rpi 4 in atom. After i have change the boot using the SD card, and starting it up. nothing is happening, cant see it on the network, dont even know if it booting nothing. wher do i begin? i have remov and reinstall same thing

[dawn flame]

Gotcha. Don't make things any more difficult that they need to be. 🙂

[twin cypress]

Yes of course

[frail galleon]

hello somebody may help me? I did setup my HA with htpp:// duckdns but since i did, I cannot access to HA if my internet is down. I have Free Box, I think this is a loopback to configure but I am lost. sombody know about?

[humble mirage]

You should be able to access it using https:// and the LAN IP (and port)

[hardy forum]

so is there no reason to run Hass.io anymore?

[abstract hearth]

Hass.io was the old name for the appliance like install option, that uses Docker. It was renamed in January 2020 and is now called Home Assistant OS.

Command '.hassio' was invoked by: Thanasis

[hardy forum]

Good @abstract hearth

[high token]

Assuming that's what you meant of course

[hardy forum]

yup, exactly my question, I couldn't find that answer anywhere for some reason, but thats perfect. Thank you

[high token]

I hope that doesn't mean you are still actually running Hass.io though

[untold quiver]

My old Netgear WAP died and I have replaced it with a new one. Unfortunately, now my HA is not working. My router sees that Pi with IP adress 10.0.0.11; the command line shows the address for eth0 to be 10.0.0.11/24. I can't get access to the GUI and am totally lost. I've read some reddit threads on the topic but have not had success in understanding them. Can anyone help me?

[hardy forum]

No I am just doing a fresh install right now and have moved over to the OS.

[high token]

Does port 4357 work or is that also showing nothing?

your replaced the router but you had HA on DHCP? not static IP

[untold quiver]

http://homeassistant.local:4357/ times out.

I don't know what settings I had enable, DHCP v. Static.

[high token]

http://10.0.0.11:4357

[untold quiver]

Both http://10.0.0.11:8123/ and http://10.0.0.11:4327/ timeout.

Hold on, I may have had a typo.

Yep, http://10.0.0.11:4357/ times out.

[high token]

and you have rebooted the Pi since changing the router?

what's the IP of the router?

[untold quiver]

Yes I have; hard reboots. I just got access to the command line and have not done a commanded reboot.

http://192.168.1.1

[high token]

if your router is on the 192.168.1.x range is quite unlikely for the Pi to be in a completely different range

was maybe 10.0.0.x the range of the previous router?

I assume you can look at all your devices in your network on the router right? Aren't all others have an IP in the range of 192.168.1.x ?

[raw hedge]

Lan scan time

[untold quiver]

@high token Correct. All other devices are in the range.

[high token]

Then you must have set 10.0.0.11 as static in HA

[untold quiver]

Yep, I see using the command line ha network info that "method" is set to "static"

[high token]

try something like this ha network update eth0 --ipv4-method auto

[untold quiver]

Alright, router info page shows new IP, that's good. Doing a reboot of the Pi.

@high token we're in! Thanks for the help. Now I need to figure out how to reconnect my Shelly's!

[sinful coral]

where is the VS Code addon? Don't see it in the addon store.. but i see it in countless tutorial vids when needing to edit config. Does it no longer exist, or is there something else to be used?

[storm sluice]

maybe your missing the repo

[sinful coral]

where do you enter the repo?

ah nevermind.. I'll just use the samba addon and edit via notepad++ when needed.

[grand pivot]

https://github.com/hassio-addons/repository

[jovial pivot]

For the KVM image how do I know its running OK? I cant see it on the network

Is there a cheat sheet anywhere for the "shell" ?

[grand pivot]

You mean the one that starts with HA >?

[jovial pivot]

says Shell>

[grand pivot]

No idea what that is

[jovial pivot]

its what I see in the KVM image console

[grand pivot]

Then I would search for that

[jovial pivot]

trying no joy

OK its not installing I think then

3 times now....no joy

OK I'll try the iso way

oh wait there isnt one

[jovial pivot]

Trying to install, what do I do from here?

ok cant upload an image

[abstract hearth]

@jovial pivot Your message has been deleted as it contains a link or a domain name 'pasteboard_dot_co' that is on the blocked list because of: 'Virus detected!'.
Please re-post by removing/changing the domain name/link. Your original message has been DM'ed to you.

[jovial pivot]

what paste site is approved?

[abstract hearth]

Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

• https://dpaste.org/ (select YAML for the language)
• https://www.codepile.net/ (select YAML as the language)
• https://paste.debian.net/ (you guessed it, select YAML as the language)

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

Command '~share' was invoked by: RobC

[merry summit]

I need some help understanding how I can investigate disk usage outside the HA container. My VM is requiring increasing amounts of storage by the day, but the space is not consumed bu the HA instance as far as I can.
Now that the Portainer addon is deprecated, how can I have a look at the rest of the system outside the HA container?

With 14 minutes between:

➜  /df -h             h
Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
overlay          98G   83G   12G  88% /

➜  /addons df -h
Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
overlay          98G   84G  9.9G  90% /

The last three days I have expanded the VM disk with 10GB every day and I cannot keep this up much longer just to keep HA running

For reference, I have a VM on Proxmox running HAOS.

[humble mirage]

<#installation-archived message> may be relevant

[merry summit]

There were ~40 GB of failed snapshots (backups) in /mnt/data/supervisor/tmp/.
Is that looking from within the HA container?

Because have no /mnt/data path...

[merry summit]

Hmmm.... I have overlooked the fact that I have had the zigbee2mqtt addon installed without a USB controller set up. That addon was consuming a lot of CPU time and has been for days...

I suspect that it logged furiously and filled the disk...
I uninstalled the addon but the space was not cleared....
Is there any clean addon functions available for situations like this?

If addon logs are not stored within the container, where are they?

[winged atlas]

hi, i needed to change my router (change to glasfiber) and now i got a FRITZBOX.

I am unable to access the /config folder from windows. HA is running in a VM on my ubuntu machine. i can access the sambashare on ubuntu but i can't access the /config from HA in the VM , can someone help me here ?

[humble mirage]

See https://www.home-assistant.io/common-tasks/os/#configuring-access-to-files

[winged atlas]

samba is installed - worked for over a year with old router without any troubles

[humble mirage]

Maybe your new router isn't playing nice with mDNS

Just use the IP

[winged atlas]

i only use IP

[humble mirage]

\\192.168.0.42
``` should work

Same IP as for the web UI, obviously

[winged atlas]

i know how to access servers with ips but thats not the problem 😦

[humble mirage]

Well, if you can't access the Samba share, then you will want to check the add-on is running correctly