looks better
#installation-archived
heavy sleet
thanks alot @humble mirage
79% memory in use doing pretty much nothing
guess i found another bottleneck
green sierra
Hi,
Have a question regarding best way to update my very old Home Assistant installed on a Raspberry PI ubuntu.
I seem to lack a lot of new features have this in my Developers tool; Home Assistant
0.100.1
Anyone can link a guide to best way I can update this old thing? 😐 been a few years since i gave it love..
grand pivot
You're better off starting fresh and selectively adding things from the old config
green sierra
Is that so 😐 was afraid of it..
high token
especially if you are saying Rpi ubuntu is that a Supervised install?
green sierra
No, i do not have supervised..
green sierra
Yeah should be only Container
high token
I would spin up a new container with latest image using a new folder for the config
then do what RobC said and move things over
I'd assume it's not a crazy big installation
green sierra
alright, seems like the plan to go. Nah just a few things been running on automation, but now im upgrading my home with things that wont talk to eachother without HA
high token
a lot of things will general be either deprecated or moved to the UI now form yaml
green sierra
So I can still use the raspberry PI?
grand pivot
make a list of the things you were doing and want to continue doing and add each one at a time, reading the docs to see what's changed
which one do you have?
high token
unless it's a Pi0, sure 😄
green sierra
I think a 3B
grand pivot
Probably fine for what you're doing. But an SD card that's a few years old may be at the end of its life
green sierra
Yeah might be, but i'll take my chances on this now 😄
so installing a new HA container it is?
grand pivot
yes
potent agate
Does anyone have a recommendation for a Zigbee/Z-Wave combo stick? I’ve seen the bots link for the proven zigbee sticks, but I was hoping for a combo stick that doesn’t have the outdated chip like the Nortek. Or should I just go with separate sticks for zigbee and x-wave? Thanks
humble mirage
There's only one combo stick, and it's not great
Buy a decent #zwave-archived 700 series stick, and a decent #zigbee-archived stick
potent agate
Could your answer get any simpler! Awesome thank you 🙏
humble mirage
Experiences with the ConBee are ... mixed
potent agate
I currently have Caseta with the pro bridge now, not thrilled with the push button style switches and would rather have a paddle/decora like the Zooz zen26. So I’ll start out with just a z-wave stick until I move to sensors
meager yarrow
i installed the x86 version incl HACs etc now i found this https://community.home-assistant.io/t/lovelace-slideshow-card/70907 is there a way to install this via HA or HACS?
grand pivot
That's a #frontend-archived card and is archived by the dev
amber iron
im having an issue where my home assistant becomes unreachable, usually between 12-36 (been having this issue every day since i switched machines). im running haos in virtualbox on windows. home assistant still shows up as being connected in my router settings, and the host computers connection works fine, but hoas cant seem to establish a connection. a reboot from the home assistant command line doesnt fix this issue, only restarting the vm instance will fix it.
anyone have any ideas where in the logs i might want to start looking for my issue? i dont see anything in the main homeassistant.log at that time, other than devices being unable to connect. im not sure if another log might be useful
humble mirage
One test will be to connect to the console and see if you can ping the router
amber iron
ive tried pinging haos from another device but receive no response. ill try to ping the router from haos next time i run into the issue
potent agate
Buy a decent <#332357267364249621> 700 series stick, and a decent <#551843655682...
What’s your thoughts on just getting Hubitat for this? I think this would allow me to easily use Google voice commands for the zigbee switches
humble mirage
I mean, you can do all that with just HA
Do you feel the need to add complexity and cost for the sake of it?
potent agate
Ok, I was under the impression I needed the HA cloud to integrate the Google assistant side.
potent agate
Ahh ok. I’ve got some “tinkering” to do. Thanks again
versed nimbus
I set up HA earlier this week primarily to control my lights, and everything was working perfectly. Last night my installation stopped working, and I was left unable to control my lights or interact with any integration. I hadn't changed anything. Would someone be able to help point me in the right direction for debugging my issue to prevent it from happening again?
humble mirage
How are you running HA? Directly on some hardware (what?) or in a VM (again, what?)
versed nimbus
running the HA OS on a raspberry pi 3b+
humble mirage
Do you have the SSH add-on installed?
versed nimbus
yes
humble mirage
Were you able to still SSH on?
versed nimbus
yes
humble mirage
Then at least the host still had connectivity, which rules out some issues
Were you able to connect to the HA UI?
versed nimbus
Yes, but that's where everything (i.e. integrations) were not working.
humble mirage
Which integrations?
versed nimbus
Everything (Hue, Wemo, and Adaptive Lighting)
humble mirage
Three integrations is a short list of "everything" 
What was in the (core) logs at the time?
humble mirage
Knowing what was actually misbehaving will help us help you... vague "everything" and "all" ... 
versed nimbus
Are the core logs the ones under Settings > Logs?
humble mirage
Yes
Though the log file exists on disk too, and you'll probably need that for the previous boot if you've restarted HA
versed nimbus
Yeah I do. Mind sharing how I access that?
versed nimbus
Just looking through it. One sec...
Not sure how to copy the text from within the logs :/
I see an error for weather API "ClientConnectorError" and an error for custom_components.hacs that looks like a github rate limit
humble mirage
Not sure how to copy the text from within the logs :/
Depends on how you're viewing them really
Image of text are a horrible thing really
versed nimbus
Agreed!
versed nimbus
Hmm that may circle back to my issue setting up AdGuard
humble mirage
HA shouldn't be using AdGuard IMO, it should be directly using another DNS server
Otherwise, you've got a chicken-and-egg situation at boot...
versed nimbus
Got it. This is where my knowledge starts to get shaky, but would running adguard on a seperate raspberry pi (i.e. not running it alongside the HA instance) be better?
humble mirage
Sure, but if it's down, all the integrations in HA that require DNS also go down
At least ensure you configure HA with some sane fallback DNS
versed nimbus
Got it. I'll look into doing that. Thanks so much for the help!!
grand pivot
#1 from the docs:
Ensure your Home Assistant device has a static IP and static external DNS servers! This is important! You WILL end up having issues if you skip this step.
versed nimbus
I tried to do that, but networking is where things get confusing for me 😬
I figured out the static IP at least!
high token
that's nowadays done from the UI as well
and at the same place you set a static IP is where setting DNS servers is
versed nimbus
Thanks ευχαριστώ
hollow cosmos
Hey newbie HA user I need some help. Freaking out because I think I deleted my HA and need help re-installing it
I think I might have overwrited the Home Assistant on my Raspberry PI trying to figure out how to find Govee Home Dual Home dual plug switches (H5082) ….and I don't think I can find a backup to recover from. I was backing it up but it was within HA not thinking that I should take it to a cloud service or take it anywhere else outside HA because well like It says “backup home assistant.” I have a nabu casa account and i did all the basic sign-in procedures but I dont think I can find a backup anywhere on a hard drive that Im currently aware of
Any ideas on what i can do? Really upset if i lost everything. Spent A LOT of time figuring out and renaming entities and intergrations
wanton rune
Hi everyone, i'm trying to install HA OS on an ubuntu server host using the KVM image (qcow2). It is booting into the UEFI shell and can't seem to figure out how to get it to boot HA. i've found a few threads on this problem but not much help, including this one where the last post is basically someone giving up on this: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/configuring-hassio-on-libvert-using-qcow2-image/209058/13 Does anyone have this working? Thank you in advance to anyone that can help.
I should add that i'm a long time HA CORE user (virtual env install on custom ubuntu VM) however the recent depreciated support of the old z-wave plug-in is making me finally moved to a supervised install, as i don't want to build my own Z-Wave JS server to migrate to that.
wanton rune
I should add that in the guest VM BIOS the secure boot state is DISABLED. i don't even have the option to enable it. this thread also mentions this: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/install-home-assistant-os-with-kvm-on-ubuntu-headless-cli-only/254941
wanton rune
I figured it out and feel dumb. The qcow image was compressed and I didn't realize that. After decompressing the image i'm now able to boot into HA OS and see the home assistant login prompt.
amber iron
probably gonna get a new host machine so question for anyone knowledgable. vm on old windows machine or install linux on a chromebook. either option better or have benefits over the other?
astral kayak
Hello @humble mirage
I deleted the entire venv
the folder where I have setup.py, init.py, components (folder), util (folder) etc...
reinstalled it again
but still I have
2022-05-02 07:22:09 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.setup] Setup failed for mjpeg: No setup or config entry setup function defined.
2022-05-02 07:22:09 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.setup] Setup failed for generic: No setup or config entry setup function defined.
astral kayak
who can help me with this error?
astral kayak
I fixed my problem easily: I moved generic and mjpeg folders from install to custom_components folder
and it worked like a charm
lime cobalt
Does anyone here run HAOS on a RPi 3 ? I keep running out of memory every 1-2 days and having to hard reset.
lime cobalt
AdGaurd Home
Duck DNS
MariaDB
Mosquitto broker
Nginx Proxy Manager
Samba share
Terminal & SSH
Zigbee2Mqtt
I also have these installed, but they are not started. They are for when I upgrade to a Pi4 in the future:
ESPHome
Node-RED
Studio Code Server
humble mirage
All that in 1 GB of RAM...
I'd uninstall the ones you're not starting, but you're asking for a lot from a Pi3
lime cobalt
I think it might be the auto-updates that are breaking it.
humble mirage
I think it's more likely that you're trying to run too much
lime cobalt
Probably. After a reboot, memory is at 73%. Then it creeps up over the next 24-48hrs and crashes.
humble mirage
There's no probably about it 😉
lime cobalt
😄 I'll pick up a pi4 when they become available again.
humble mirage
Or ... just about any 64 bit second hand mini-PC from the last decade
Something like https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/164877876699
lime cobalt
Looks interesting. How does HA run on those? HAOS or under windows?
humble mirage
If it's UEFI capable then HAOS will work, otherwise Debian + Docker
amber iron
One test will be to connect to the console and see if you can ping the router
well, i cant ping my router from hoas when the issue happens. i tried to look at the other logs, but the command line locked up so
humble mirage
That tells you it's probably network related, not DNS
It's either something going wrong with your Windows host, or VBox
potent agate
After setting up a remote dns domain in prep for Google integration…. Now my Rachio sprinkler controller is in error in HA. “Error setting up entry for Rachio”
Any suggestions?
Should note that Rachio is CLOUD connected
humble mirage
#integrations-archived is the right place for that
Given that https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/rachio/ is connecting to their service though, it's unlikely to be related
potent agate
Fix found needed to update the url @ config>settings>general>HA url
lime cobalt
If it's UEFI capable then HAOS will work, otherwise Debian + Docker
Are you running on a micro PC ? What's the power consumption, average, for these?
lime cobalt
I stopped running HA on a server as it was costing too much just sitting there doing nothing for most of the time as HA obvoisly needs 100% on time.
The server runs other services that I can turn on the PC when required.
I moved to a RPi3 that uses 15 Watts, but not enough ram. I'm wondering what a micro PC will use, power-wise.
crude inlet
15W? while it's on?
lime cobalt
5V / 3A PSU
crude inlet
I would expect less, and still under 15 for a micro PC but that's going to differ from one to the next
humble mirage
Are you running on a micro PC ? What's the power consumption, average, for thes...
I run on an i5 laptop from about 9 years ago - 10W peak and it does more than just run HA
lime cobalt
Thanks. I'm going to get a Dell Optiplex 3040M.
torn monolith
hi, not sure if this is the "right" channel, but i will give it a try:) I am not able to reach my home assistent blue after my google mesh wifi had a factory reset (my father did a total factory reset, since he was not able to connect to wifi trough his pc... yes - I got a bit frustrated for that hahah) . As a result of the factory reset on the mesh wifi, I am totally locked out from my Home Assistent dashboard trough the http://homeassistant.local:8123 in the browser, and I get an error when i try to use the HA app. I think the problem is that i the HA dose not automaticly uppdate to a new IP-address, even though i connect my google internett and HA with a ethernet cable. I have search for a solution on how to edit the IP address, and spent the last hours in CLI without any success. I have considered reinstalling HA, but since I do not have a SD-card reader (or much knowledge on reinstaling HA software) I found it to be something I hope to avoid doing. Is there anything i can do trough CLI or any other thing for getting access to the home assistent interface again? I would really like any help! Been trying to fix this problem for a month now, and it kinda sucks not to be able to use home assistent at all! Any help or tips is highly appreciated
lime cobalt
Can you access HA from the IP Address, e.g. http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:8123/ ?
torn monolith
I do not think so! But on the other hand the ip-address I got from the CLI is “172.30.32.0”. Not sure if this is the right one
It is the one I get when I type “ha network info”
humble mirage
That's a Docker IP range, likely from HAOS
You're looking for an IP in the same range as everything else on your network
torn monolith
How are you getting to the CLI ?
I am getting to the CLI trough a hdmi cable connected to my TV
torn monolith
You're looking for an IP in the same range as everything else on your network
Can I find this from my terminal on my Mac? 🙂 sorry if this is a lot of noobie questions😅
Thank you so much for your effort! Really appreciated😊
lime cobalt
Can you log into your router and look at the list of connected clients, then find the ipaddress assigned to the HA instance?
torn monolith
Even though it is connected trough ethernet cable, i cant seem to find it in the list at in the google wifi app
humble mirage
I suspect that the problem is that it's no longer trying to get an IP from the network cable
Sadly I know nothing about how HAOS works
vocal atlas
Could it be that it already was configured to be fixed ip and now the dhcp range is different?
torn monolith
i typed in terminal: PING homeassistant.local
PING: cannot resolve homeassistant.local: Unknown host
and got this result^
torn monolith
Could it be that it already was configured to be fixed ip and now the dhcp range...
it might be! But i am not sure how to locate the ip
lime cobalt
In your router, are there a list of static IP address assignments?
vocal atlas
How did get a terminal on your tv?
humble mirage
HDMI out on the Blue...
torn monolith
In your router, are there a list of static IP address assignments?
yes, i have all my connected devices in the "list" at the google wifi app. if I press for example, my phone, i get the ip address of my phone
lime cobalt
Do you have a PC ?
Log into the router, the router IP address is, probably, 192.168.1.1
torn monolith
i have a mac
torn monolith
Log into the router, the router IP address is, probably, 192.168.1.1
yes correct!
lime cobalt
Then look around for a list of connected clients.
torn monolith
i will give it a try 😄
lime cobalt
Also, on your TV, what's the results of ha network info, look for a interfaces: section, e.g.
`interfaces:
- connected: true
enabled: true
interface: eth0
ipv4:
address:- 192.168.1.250/24
gateway: 192.168.1.1
method: static
nameservers: - 9.9.9.9
- 149.112.112.112`
- 192.168.1.250/24
torn monolith
since I am not able to post photos here, i added the "problem" to the communety site. so i can post pictures from the CLI
abstract hearthBOT
torn monolith
i have posted "ha network info" there from the CLI
humble mirage
The ipv4: disabled looks like it's relevant to your problem
lime cobalt
Yes, i'm trying to find the haos command to turn that on..
ha network update eth0 --ipv4-method auto --ipv6-method disabled
Run that command.
torn monolith
just changed my ethernet cable! haos just finnished reboting. Typing in the code now
thanks again for the help! you guys are awsome<3
got a error code, i can post a pic in the communety page
lime cobalt
ok, you'll have to continue this there, I think.
torn monolith
Now I got “command completed successfully”🥳
It worked!😍😍😍 Thank you soooo much guys!
prisma turret
Could you share what you changed where exactly?
torpid herald
Not sure exactly which channel this fits into... has anyone tried to reflash an old Iris hub to run Hass? I've got a v2 and a v3 collecting dust
rustic mantle
Is there a way to see if a database update is actually running?
when I try to restart the server from the UI it says that there is an update
but it's been over a day
and before that attempt I had restarted the docker container so I'm not sure if it's actually running or broken
The DB is large ~13GB, but it's running on a nuc with plenty of resources, so I wouldn't think it would take that long
amber iron
alright so i was looking into my issue and i came across this thread, which seems to deal with my issue:https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/issues/545#
however, i put in the nmcli command to manually set my ip from within haos(changing the values for my own network), but i get the following error, and im not sure how to resolve it
Error: invalid <settings>.<property> 'f62bf7c2-e565-49ff-bbfc-a4cf791e6add'.
hot falcon
Hello can anyone tell me how to find out if my HA instance is running off of an SD card or my M.2? I have an Argone One M.2 case and it’s been getting super hot so I checked it out and realized the fan isn’t coming on. So now I need to go down the rabbit hole to fix this. I’m running a Pi4 4gb with Home Assistant 2022.4.7, supervisor 2022.04.0 with Nabu Casa Subscription.
sand sorrel
hi. Just installed latest supervised on latest debian 11. Looks like it went fine, however I can't access it on http
sand sorrel
how do I check?
humble mirage
Ah, another person who's fallen for the trap that is Supervised...
Check the docker logs?
Look in the config folder for home-assistant.log?
sand sorrel
where is it located?
humble mirage
No idea, I stay away from Supervised
sand sorrel
I ned my server to run multiple things, so I need supervised.
humble mirage
Then you've done it wrong
Running anything outside of add-ons makes it unsupported, and likely to break
You should run HAOS in a KVM VM on that host instead
It also tells me you skipped right over the requirements, since that's called out pretty clearly in there
sand sorrel
anyone else can jump in
humble mirage
latent thistle
what can be the reasons for HAOS to become inaccessible?
I can ping the rpi4 without any issues, can't access HAOS gui
can't login via ssh
it was inaccessible for last 12 hours, reboot the host/rpi4
tried to visit add-on page
now can't access it from anywhere
humble mirage
Which model of Pi4?
latent thistle
2Gb
humble mirage
What add-ons are you running? How are you powering the Pi?
latent thistle
powered using canakit 3A adapter
humble mirage
And the add-ons?
latent thistle
let me list those
why can't i get a share link from codepile ?
done
here is the list of the add-ons
humble mirage
Possibly a RAM issue
latent thistle
_Possibly_ a RAM issue
should I remove some add-ons?
ram is usually approx 60-77% used most of the time
humble mirage
I'd hook up a keyboard and monitor and the next time you have problems use that console to see if there's anything useful/relevant on the console or in the logs
latent thistle
I'd hook up a keyboard and monitor and the next time you have problems use that ...
I do have hdmi to usb adapter
so can record in obs
latent thistle
I'd hook up a keyboard and monitor and the next time you have problems use that ...
actually I was trying to access the log when this happened
humble mirage
Typically failures like this are down to one of:
- Power issues (which can be caused by a power adapter that's ok, but then adding USB devices)
- Failing SD card
- Running out of RAM
latent thistle
so can record in obs
bought it specifically for recording how to install HAOS video ..
latent thistle
Typically failures like this are down to one of:
1) Power issues (which can be c...
- Using Canakit 3A adapter.
1a. 256Gb SSD sata drive and a rtl-sdr adapter
humble mirage
Well, that could be enough to cause issues
latent thistle
- No sd card
humble mirage
A powered USB hub should solve the power problems, if that's what this is
latent thistle
A powered USB hub should solve the power problems, if that's what this is
ADATA 256GB SU750 3D-NAND 2.5 Inch SATA III
latent thistle
A powered USB hub should solve the power problems, if that's what this is
powered USB adapter is hard to find here in Pakistan
Using StarTech 2.5″ SATA to connect 256GB SATA
Insufficient Power Symptoms
Symptoms of a lack of power to the drive can include the system only booting sometimes (or not at all) or working for a while and then locking up. Just because the drive boots does not mean it is getting enough power. Some commenters on previous articles have described this as working fine until there was a sudden spike in CPU usage while they tried to do several things at once (high CPU, accessing storage, activating various hardware all at once) and then they would get a lockup/crash.
If it's powered it should work fine
shut inlet
Hey guys, so I got a home assistant core installation for the longest time but now I found myself in the pickle that I have new devices that do not have an intergration in core but they do in supervised.
Now I wonder, what is a good way to migrate my raspberry pi installation running HA core to HA supervised?
humble mirage
- Supervised is a trap, don't
humble mirage
- What version of Core are you on? Because Home Assistant is the same regardless
It sounds like you're still rocking Python 3.8 (or older)
humble mirage
humble mirage
So... time to either rebuild the venv with Python 3.9 or move to Docker
shut inlet
I see, so I gotta start over?
copy my yaml to a new server
and get tinkering again?
humble mirage
Nope
shut inlet
Oh
humble mirage
- Create a fresh venv with Python 3.9: http://blog.ceard.tech/2017/12/upgrading-python-virtual-environment.html
- Install Docker and switch over: http://blog.ceard.tech/2020/10/ha-venv-to-docker.html
shut inlet
would be a pain to setup the hass bridges 😦
humble mirage
Take your pick
Rebuilding the venv is trivial, I've done that a lot - hell, did it yesterday on a test host
shut inlet
okay
I guess docker would be start over
and fresh venv is an upgrade?
I'm scared of docker
humble mirage
Docker wouldn't be a start over, you point it at the existing config
But, creating a new venv is easy, honest
shut inlet
thats the issue, I cant find my existing config, I created the config.yaml under homeassist user in pi
shut inlet
sudo -u homeassistant -H -s
oh my god
you just enlighten my day
I always have been switching users
docker would be neat though I think
humble mirage
humble mirage
Not really, as long as you have working Python 3.9 it should be easy enough
shut inlet
okay
thank you, ill report back if everything died 😄
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y
Abort.
umm
humble mirage
If you create a new venv and leave the existing one alone then this is 100% safe and zero risk
shut inlet
its aborting when executing sudo apt install command 😛
nevermind
so you do suggest staying on core?
I have heard people in the past say that core is bad :/
or making fun of me when I had asked questions regarding core
humble mirage
I'll probably still be running Core in 10 years
shut inlet
awesome, I got some neat configurations on here such as my TOON intergration, but also Roomba and a switch to turn my pc on and off. Beside that I have some z-wave blinds that can be controlled and I want to add Switchbot to it
humble mirage
Docker makes life a little easier, but if you have the skills there's nothing wrong with Core
shut inlet
All of this is accessible and working with HomeKit
even though my homepod nowadays cant control the blinds as its saying its a non supported feature to put them to 100% or "close" them
shut inlet
Docker makes life a little easier, but if you have the skills there's nothing wr...
how so?
humble mirage
Well, you'll never need to install Python from source again
It's also slightly quicker to do an upgrade or downgrade... though if you're not on a Pi3 it likely doesn't matter. Also, with Core you can do the upgrade and then restart into the new version, so the difference is still likely measured in single digit seconds
latent thistle
_Possibly_ a RAM issue
https://www.codepile.net/pile/PZPj281A list of error from the time it was stuck
humble mirage
Hi all I'm stuck at initializing page for HA login any advise
Can you connect locally?
latent thistle
https://www.codepile.net/pile/APbZ72Pl there is jump from 09:07:46 to 09:42:04
humble mirage
Looks like a network connectivity issue
shut inlet
Hey Tinkerer should I worry about the following errors:
Segmentation fault
make[3]: *** [Makefile:641: sharedmods] Error 139
make[3]: Leaving directory '/data/Python-3.9.7'
make[2]: *** [Makefile:534: build_all_generate_profile] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory '/data/Python-3.9.7'
make[1]: *** [Makefile:510: profile-gen-stamp] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory '/data/Python-3.9.7'
make: *** [Makefile:522: profile-run-stamp] Error 2
Somebody has reported that on older Debian installs the make step fails with segmentation faults, and the needed to run the following commands first. I haven't seen that, but if it happens, try it.
Of course, if you install Python from packages, it's not a problem
slow shadow
Can you connect locally?
I cant
shut inlet
if it failed, do I run this command again? cd /data wget https://www.python.org/ftp/python/3.9.7/Python-3.9.7.tgz tar -zxvf Python-3.9.7.tgz cd Python-3.9.7 ./configure --enable-optimizations --enable-shared --with-lto --with-system-expat \ --with-system-ffi --without-ensurepip make -j$(cat /proc/cpuinfo|egrep -c "^processor") \ LDFLAGS="-Wl,--strip-all" \ CFLAGS="-fno-semantic-interposition -fno-builtin-malloc -fno-builtin-calloc -fno-builtin-realloc -fno-builtin-free -ljemalloc" \ EXTRA_CFLAGS="-DTHREAD_STACK_SIZE=0x100000" sudo make altinstall
Did you try installing it from packages?
humble mirage
Then... try installing Python 3.9 from packages?
Installing from source should be the fallback, not the default path
shut inlet
if it failed, do I run this command again? ```cd /data
wget https://www.python.o...
you are talking about this part right now right?
im not following 😦
humble mirage
Update your OS, type apt search python3.9
shut inlet
Sorting... Done
Full Text Search... Done```If you're on Bullseye you'll find that it's there, ready for you to install
If you're not on Bullseye, update to Bullseye
shut inlet
so I run now apt-get install python3.9
humble mirage
Sure... if it's available in the version of the OS you're running
shut inlet
Raspbian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)"
humble mirage
Update to Bullseye
slow shadow
Did you already install the SSH add-on?
Yes I tried putty but access denied
humble mirage
Yes I tried putty but access denied
Then hook up a keyboard and monitor
slow shadow
Wad do I do from.there
humble mirage
See if it's alive?
latent thistle
If it's powered it should work fine
bought it. Effect on speed is amazing, I was using usb 3.0 on rpi4 itself, now both usb devices i.e ssd and rtl sdr being plugged into the powered hub, I don't know about stability but speed is awesome.
why Brutus why?
latent thistle
Typically failures like this are down to one of:
1) Power issues (which can be c...
solved power issue, don't have sd card installed. still the issue returns
can ping with time of 1-2ms
last mqtt message recived at 3:50 and it is 4:02 already
05/03/2022 3:50:18 PM
28.00
can't access gui
humble mirage
Well, you have access to the console, go looking to see what's going on on the host
humble mirage
Keyboard + monitor
latent thistle
Keyboard + monitor
while this was starting up I tried connecting my hdmi to usb adapter check the startup it wasn't working
Reply from 192.168.18.246: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.18.246: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
Request timed out.
Reply from 192.168.18.246: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.18.246: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.18.246: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.18.246: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
don't have a portable hdmi monitor
latent thistle
can't get the display
changed hdmi to micro-hdmi adapters too
after restart time is wrong
e.g ```
2022-05-03 09:00:17 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.media_player] Updating dlna_dmr media_player took longer than the scheduled update interval 0:00:10
right now time is 4:50pm
16:51
Last error before hanging up https://www.codepile.net/pile/wl2VWrl1
shut inlet
hey tinkerer, I updated to bullseye
humble mirage
Now you can install Python 3.9 from apt and build your new venv
shut inlet
when running "create the new virtual envirioment"
shoudlk there be a venv_3.9.7 file?
in /srv/homeassistant folder, as I am only seeing a pyvenv.cfg file
humble mirage
Folder, if you create it
If you're re-creating on an existing venv then you'll break stuff
shut inlet
srv/homeassistant this folder already exists
humble mirage
As I said before, create a fresh venv, leaving your existing one alone
In this case, probably too late
humble mirage
sudo mv /srv/homeassistant /srv/homeassistant_broken
pi@raspberrypi:~ $ sudo -u homeassistant -H -s
homeassistant@raspberrypi:/home/pi $ python3.9 -m venv /srv/homeassistant/venv_3.9.7
python3.9: symbol lookup error: python3.9: undefined symbol: __gcov_indirect_call_callee
homeassistant@raspberrypi:/home/pi $
same
humble mirage
No idea... I've never seen that before
shut inlet
😅
humble mirage
You didn't install Python 3.9 from source and from packages?
shut inlet
how can I check that
humble mirage
which python3.9
shut inlet
/usr/local/bin/python3.9
humble mirage
Ok, you've got a broken install from source
go back to the source folder and try make uninstall
shut inlet
source folder would be /data in that case?
humble mirage
Wherever you had the source for Python 3.9.7
shut inlet
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25755357 Aug 30 2021 Python-3.9.7.tgz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25755357 Aug 30 2021 Python-3.9.7.tgz.1
I followed that tutorial 🙈
humble mirage
Python-3.9.7
I will say this is a big warning sign that Core really isn't your best choice
humble mirage
No
shut inlet
what would be best?
humble mirage
Docker
shut inlet
alright
shut inlet
make: *** No rule to make target 'uninstall'. Stop.
Oh well, sudo rm /usr/local/bin/python3.9
humble mirage
You may as well continue for now
shut inlet
okay so apt-get install python3.9
do I still need to do this part? cd /data wget https://www.python.org/ftp/python/3.9.7/Python-3.9.7.tgz tar -zxvf Python-3.9.7.tgz cd Python-3.9.7 ./configure --enable-optimizations --enable-shared --with-lto --with-system-expat \ --with-system-ffi --without-ensurepip make -j$(cat /proc/cpuinfo|egrep -c "^processor") \ LDFLAGS="-Wl,--strip-all" \ CFLAGS="-fno-semantic-interposition -fno-builtin-malloc -fno-builtin-calloc -fno-builtin-realloc -fno-builtin-free -ljemalloc" \ EXTRA_CFLAGS="-DTHREAD_STACK_SIZE=0x100000" sudo make altinstall
humble mirage
No
shut inlet
alright
humble mirage
You can just follow https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/linux#install-home-assistant-core
humble mirage
Try re-installing the package
apt install python3.9-full python3.9-venv
/bin/sh: 1: /usr/bin/apt-listchanges: not found
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/apt-listchanges --apt || test $? -lt 10 returned an error code (1)
E: Failure running script /usr/bin/apt-listchanges --apt || test $? -lt 10
Guess you'll need apt-get
shut inlet
same error
humble mirage
sudo rm /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20listchanges
sudo apt reinstall python3-minimal apt-listchanges
dpkg: trying script from the new package instead ...
/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/prerm: 6: py3clean: not found
dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/apt-listchanges_3.24_all.deb (--unpack):
new apt-listchanges package pre-removal script subprocess returned error exit status 127
Deferring configuration of apt-listchanges until /usr/bin/python3
and python's debconf module are available
/var/lib/dpkg/info/apt-listchanges.postinst: 212: py3compile: not found
dpkg: error while cleaning up:
installed apt-listchanges package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 127
Errors were encountered while processing:
/var/cache/apt/archives/apt-listchanges_3.24_all.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
its dead 😛
humble mirage
Clearly... so somehow you nuked the OS installed Python
shut inlet
no idea how lol
humble mirage
If you did a make install on the source that could do it
sudo apt-get install python3.9-full should still work though
shut inlet
okay ill try
humble mirage
okay ill try
shut inlet
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
i think imma wipe it
and start over
dawn flame
You may as well continue for now
The answer should always be "move to docker"....
latent thistle
➜ ~ ha host reboot
Post "http://supervisor/host/reboot": context deadline exceeded (Client.Timeout exceeded while awaiting headers)
upbeat wharf
I recreated the Docker Container of Home Assistant and now none of my entities (lights, buttons, ...) work?
latent thistle
tried restarting ```
Failed to call service homeassistant/restart. [Errno 5] I/O error
tinkerer?
Do you maybe have a good guide from A to B on installing home assistant on rpi?
via docker
I formatted the sd card
humble mirage
Did you look at the official docs?
shut inlet
yes but i get the feeling im installing core again
grand pivot
Only if you follow that part
shut inlet
would I be following this one? https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/raspberrypi/
humble mirage
Click the bit about Container
latent thistle
would I be following this one? https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/raspbe...
thats for HAOS
humble mirage
And other things
humble mirage
It's a crutch, and one that can cause issues
upbeat wharf
What can cause issues with homeassistant? Portainer?
Maybe thats the answer for my problem
humble mirage
Portainer can cause you issues at upgrade time as it caches stuff, it's not a common problem though
upbeat wharf
Ok what can then be the problem. Nothing works, it says: Not available
humble mirage
What says that?
upbeat wharf
Every entity, lights, my esphome devices
abstract hearthBOT
latent thistle
Every entity, lights, my esphome devices
#add-ons-archived can help with that
Better still esphome server
humble mirage
The problem is with the communication of HA and ... the other stuff, advising them to immediately ignore HA and jump to the other stuff is not good advise
HA's logs should shine a light on the matter
upbeat wharf
[041...77d] Connect to 10.0.0.4 failed
1 7:1 5:29 — (FEHLER) LocalTuya integration (benutzerdefinierte Integration) - Die Nachricht ist zum ersten Mal um 17:14:39 aufgetreten und erscheint 12 mal
Config entry '10.0.0.138 for upnp integration not ready yet; Retrying in background
1 7:14:45 — (WARNUNG) config_entries.py
Blueprint Confirmable Notification generated invalid script With input OrderedDict((notify_device', '680f293aa84706a124d2fdcc70cbbbe3),
1 T.1487 - (FEHLER) Skript
The Raspberry Pi GPIO integration is deprecated and will be removed in Home Assistant Core 2022.6; this integration is removed under Archi... ```
1 T.1435 - (WARNUNG) Raspberry Pi GPIOThere's likely more, earlier
shut inlet
I can't find a full installation on this how to install docker, HA and get it working
its so confusing
humble mirage
Docker and Compose on the Pi: https://withblue.ink/2020/06/24/docker-and-docker-compose-on-raspberry-pi-os.html
HA in Docker: https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/raspberrypi#install-home-assistant-container
Failing that, throw in the towel and flash HAOS
shut inlet
:/ gif didnt work
grand pivot
HAOS FTW, then
shut inlet
why is haos bad?
amber iron
Bump on my issue:
Iwas looking into my issue of haos losing connection to my router after about 24 hours and i came across this thread, which seems to deal with my issue:https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/issues/545#
however, i put in the nmcli command to manually set my ip from within haos(changing the values for my own network)
nmcli c mod $(nmcli -g uuid c) ipv4.method manual ipv4.addresses "192.168.1.26/24" ipv4.gateway "192.168.1.1" ipv4.dns "8.8.8.8,8.8.4.4"```
but i get the following error, and im not sure how to resolve it
``Error: invalid <settings>.<property> 'f62bf7c2-e565-49ff-bbfc-a4cf791e6add'.
and it supports all the features?
humble mirage
It's designed for people who don't have (or don't want to bother with) the skills to manage their own OS and Docker/other software installs
If the guides I linked are causing you to struggle then HAOS is a good solution
latent thistle
I have similar issue. Have restarted HA at least 5 times in last 6 hours
shut inlet
It's designed for people who don't have (or don't want to bother with) the skill...
issue is that I dont understand how to make a docker-compose.yml file
or where to put it
grand pivot
definitely HA OS
humble mirage
issue is that I dont understand how to make a docker-compose.yml file
You create it with any text editor, and store it somewhere you'll back up
shut inlet
okay
humble mirage
I will second the recommendation of HAOS though
shut inlet
you gotta start somewhere
humble mirage
go for it then
I'd suggest /docker for your compose file, makes it easy to find and back up
humble mirage
shut inlet
😅
grand pivot
I just think you're going to run into this over and over again. Consider "starting somewhere" with HA OS, then consider other install methods that require you to learn and understand a bunch of other non-HA things
humble mirage
Please RTFM
shut inlet
I am reading it, but i just saw it
humble mirage
If you're not willing to RTFM then ... there's nothing we can do for you
Ah, you're suffering from Squirrel
grand pivot
you can always go from HA OS to another install method
latent thistle
Please RTFM
I agree but sometimes you are experimenting
humble mirage
It's fine, but you're flitting around in a panic, rather than focussing and getting anything done
humble mirage
I agree but sometimes you are experimenting
That doesn't mean you should just do shit randomly
shut inlet
im waiting till the sd-card is done verifying haha
humble mirage
Experimentation should be at least vaguely scientific
latent thistle
In fact my installation was on a loaned SD card which is still used as backup after more than 1 year
Even when I have moved over to Ssd
latent thistle
Experimentation should be at least vaguely scientific
We are generation who learnt by hands-on experience.
latent thistle
Installing xp without any guide
latent thistle
And you think previous generations didn't also?
They were more reluctant to experiment
Now we have YouTube tutorials
And discord channels
latent thistle
Doing what?
shut inlet
its pulling after docker-compose
latent thistle
its pulling after docker-compose
Why you want to run that way instead of the easy way i.e HAOS?
shut inlet
I don't know, alot of mixed signals here, one uses core, one haos other docker
grand pivot
you do you, but all signs point to further pain down the road, which you'll be worrying about concurrently with just learning how to use HA
next, you'll say things like "I see all these people mentioning addons, how do I get those?"
and "how come I don't have Supervisor?"
humble mirage
Core is for folks who're at home compiling software from source
Container is for folks who want to run HA in Docker
HAOS is for folks who don't want to care how it works and just want it to work
grand pivot
how come my network doesn't work? What's DNS?
humble mirage
Good news, I have here an Etherkiller that'll fix that network right up
latent thistle
I think of HA as some noob friendly software, install it from GUI. Add some automations and add-ons and it should work.
grand pivot
how come my config file is in /PATH_TO_MY_CONFIG?
latent thistle
For advanced users let them enjoy their Clis and dockers
It is similar to early days of Android VS IOS debate. I was on Android side.
But do appreciate the user friendlyness of IOS albeit with some very awkward restrictions
Cant access the file system on IOS etc
shut inlet
how come my config file is in /PATH_TO_MY_CONFIG?
I didnt fall for that
shut inlet
Why is Z-Wave JS asking for an URL instead of USB device path ._.
humble mirage
#zwave-archived can answer that
sand sorrel
I have restored a full backup to a new install and all of history is gone. How do I backup/restore to preserve the history?
crude inlet
@sand sorrel Make sure the db is being included in the backup/restore. By default this is the home-assistant_v2.db file in /config.
If you're using something else like Mariadb, then it would be a matter of restoring that addon and its data
latent thistle
If you're using something else like Mariadb, then it would be a matter of restor...
How do you do that?
crude inlet
@latent thistle you would make sure to include it in the backup?
Do you have a full backup?
latent thistle
Do you have a full backup?
Yes I always restore full backup when required
crude inlet
Then you can click on it, and choose "partial" and see if Mariadb is listed
You could try restoring that one add-on
jolly pumice
can anyone point me in the right direction. I have a pi4 just updated the firmware now tried to run the HA card and on boot screen it is saying i need newer software.
latent thistle
I have following hardware. 1
32Gb card currently used as emergency backup in case Ssd fails to boot up or any other issue.
2. 256GB SATA Ssd
3. Powered USB hub.
4. RPI4
How should I install HAOS for maximum stability?
I have been feed up with this supervisor becoming inaccessible leading to Failure to access HA GUI. Only solution is manual reboot of Rpi4, which isnt working properly anymore, HA becomes inaccessible within mins.
First symptom is all add-ons fail to start.
Should I install HAOS on SD card and move data to Ssd?
latent thistle
can anyone point me in the right direction. I have a pi4 just updated the firmwa...
Newer software?
jolly pumice
start4.elf not compatible
latent thistle
start4.elf not compatible
Did you try with another SD card?
jolly pumice
no, freshly made card
latent thistle
no, freshly made card
Format the card and start new
jolly pumice
only formatted last night, will try it again though
not seen that msg before
start4.elf: is not compatible
this board requires newer software
get the latest software https:..........
high token
what did you flash to the SD card?
high token
which presumably is pointing to version 7.6 of the OS right?
high token
formatting before flashing is not required if that's what you're doing
jolly pumice
sorry, flash the card
high token
yeah looks like the right link
jolly pumice
was starting again on a pi4, used to use a vm on a server but was getting to costly to run
high token
Can't say I've seen that error before
maybe you updated too a too recent rpi firmware manually and things have changed?
HAOS I belive comes with rpi firmwares itself
jolly pumice
it told me it needed new firmware, so i manually updated it now i need new software 😂
jolly pumice
jan 20 2022 firmware
shut inlet
In docker installation, where can I find the custom_components folder?
crude inlet
It doesn't exist unless you create it in the main config directory or configure HACs
shut inlet
oki
crude inlet
Did you use compose?
naive meadow
Hi Guys! @humble mirage guided me here based on my question so here goes:
It's the second time I've installed hassio from scratch on my Raspberry Pi after somehow managed to corrupt the os. Giving me errors like it says it can't find my configuration.yaml file. It seems to sort of happen on it's own. Has anyone of you had any similar experiences? I'm almost considering if I'm getting hacked 😅. I'm using a raspberry pi 4, a new SD card and an official power supply
humble mirage
What have you got plugged into the USB ports on the Pi?
naive meadow
Nothing
Only thing connected is the ethernet
I've read here that Hassio can corrupt/destroy SD-cards somehow. https://community.home-assistant.io/t/ha-corrupted-another-sd-card/195073. Is that really the case 😨?
humble mirage
Well, no
But yes
The problem is, SD cards aren't designed for a lot of writing, it kills them over time
If that's an SD card made on a budget (which doesn't mean you paid very little for it, it means the profit on it was high) then it may have a limited write life
jolly pumice
try this one that was a newer version
maybe it was the card, usb drive worked and is a lot faster
humble mirage
There's also the problem that the Pi is sensitive to power issues, if the power drops a little when writing you can get corruption
naive meadow
Does this happen often though? I've only been using hassio for a few weeks
Haven't ever had any issues with raspian on an SD card 🤔
crude inlet
A Pi is a Pi, but it happens more often for some users than others. Like they have some aura 😆
humble mirage
I suspect HAOS is pushing the Pi more than Raspbian - on average - so problems are more likely to be found
naive meadow
Hmm ok
I'll try and see if a new sd-card can solve the issue
I only have A1 cards though
Could that be what is causing the issue?
humble mirage
Those are simply indicators of speed, not write life
Like having a car that can drive really fast doesn't tell you if it can also stop really fast
naive meadow
Right, but if hassio is wanting the pi-car to drive really fast and it can't then couldn't that be an indication that the hardware isn't sufficient for the task?
humble mirage
Well, the Pi is an educational toy
humble mirage
But it doesn't run on an SD card
naive meadow
And I've used Pi's a lot for other projects
never seen them fail
So the SD-card might be the issue
?
humble mirage
I've seen plenty of them fail. SD cards die eventually unless the OS manages the writes
naive meadow
What would you recommend running on? 😄
humble mirage
I've seen a few folks report a dead SD card after a week of running HA on it
Well, just about any 64 bit capable system from the last decade will be a big step up
I run on a 9 year old i5 laptop - nice built in UPS
naive meadow
One big thing for me though is that the Pi doesn't use ridiculous amounts of power in contrast to regular pcs
humble mirage
My laptop draws maybe twice as much power as that Pi4
humble mirage
A lot of the power use of a laptop comes from the display and graphics card
naive meadow
So finding a way of disabling those two might help
humble mirage
Well, that's pretty easy - if you're not using the display the graphics card isn't doing anything, and you can usually turn off the display too
dark jetty
Hey guys,
I’ve had Home Assistant running for ~6 months.
It is installed in a VM on a PC.
I just changed routers, so now everything is assigned a new IP address, and I cannot access my “http://homeassistant.local:8123”
I haven’t had too much time to tinker with it to get it back running again, but can anyone help me out with what I need to do?
humble mirage
The router may not support mDNS, try the LAN IP instead
dark jetty
Ok I will try that once I get home from work. It is the ASUS RT-AX86U
AX5700
I think I need to port forward port 8123, but I have not taken the time to sit down and play with it yet.
Just wanted to get a head start to troubleshooting
humble mirage
There's no port forwarding required for that to work - for remote access, sure, but not that
dark jetty
Gotcha. Thanks 👍🏽
I think I did try from LAN IP.
My old IP was something like 10.0.0.1:8123
Now it is 192.168.50.1:8123
humble mirage
Well, http://192.168.50.1:8123/ will work, if you're not doing SSL in HA
If you are, then obviously you need https://
(though, I'd expect .1 to be the router, not HA)
dark jetty
Ahh yes. The PC that the HA VM is on has a different IP. Thanks 👍🏽
naive meadow
Btw @humble mirage thanks for the advice 🙏
rustic mantle
Is there a way to see if a database update is actually running?
I can't restart cause it says one is running but it's been over two days
So I'm not sure if it's going up
wooden smelt
The ONLY working Home Assistant OS VM script for Proxmox
https://tteck.github.io/Proxmox/
simple iron
The ONLY working Home Assistant OS VM script for Proxmox
<https://tteck.github.i...
@uneven merlin is self ads allowed?
wooden smelt
<@92065137652936704> is self ads allowed?
A hard thing about business is minding your own.
crude inlet
@latent thistle weren't you just asking about how to restore history earlier? Same concepts.
latent thistle
<@435143657541074944> weren't you just asking about how to restore history earli...
no I was asking about restoring full backup... found the docs https://www.home-assistant.io/more-info/free-space/#:~:text=Open the Home Assistant UI,up some space for you.
crude inlet
Yes, but specifically about history (mariadb add-on and the default db)
latent thistle
<@435143657541074944> weren't you just asking about how to restore history earli...
yes I did
latent thistle
Yes, but specifically about history (mariadb add-on and the default db)
Issue is I have two installation one is one 32Gb SD card used as backup in case SSD installation runs in to any issues,
SSD installation is 256Gb but issue is it turns out un-healthy every 2 weeks
SD is almost 66% full after removing all backups and removing any unnecessary add-ons
latent thistle
Preparing Home assistant redirect to correct url itself?
Or do we have to refresh the page?
Even after so many installations I don't remember correctly
simple widget
Hello. Should I delete everything from alexa before install home assistant and nabu casa?
crude inlet
No. Wait until you know what you can expose from HA to Alexa
After that it would be a matter of avoiding duplicates in Alexa, and making some choices.
simple widget
After that it would be a matter of avoiding duplicates in Alexa, and making some...
Do you mean devices or routines or all of them?
crude inlet
Devices. If you keep the native skill for something, and then also add it to HA and then expose it, you'll have doubles
But you should first confirm what you have has existing integrations within HA
simple widget
Devices. If you keep the native skill for something, and then also add it to HA ...
Thank you so much 👍
HA has the best community 🤯
latent thistle
Preparing Home assistant redirect to correct url itself?
Watched previous recordings it took 8 mins with same hardware, now it is already 21 mins 
Should I wait more?
It is a Ssd
latent thistle
How can I place backup in backup folder manually to save uploading time?
dark jetty
My home assistant used to work perfectly fine
Just switched to a new router
And now my home assistant VM does not start in host PC
It keeps getting an error “failed to open season for the virtual machine”
Result code: E_FAIL (0x80004005)
Any guidance?
dark jetty
I’m not able to ping the PC
latent thistle
New installation
Home Assistant observer
Supervisor: Connected
Supported: Supported
Healthy: Unhealthy
why unhealthy?
dark jetty
The VM didn’t get an IP address assigned in my router?
clear maple
Sounds like a topic for #installation-archived
modern basalt
So I have a random idea and I'm not sure how insane it is. I currently run HA OS on a ESXi VM supported by another Ubuntu VM which runs some other services like MariaDB and NGINX. This is running on an old corp desktop which has an i7-4790S and 16gb ram. I also have a Synology NAS that runs a Plex server (which doesn't need to transcode thankfully) and also runs my NVR for 5 cameras. I have been reluctant in the past to move HA to the NAS due to needing to go the docker route and losing out on the features of HA OS, and because it's only a Celeron J3355 processor - however I've just found out that Synology have released their own virtualisation package for their OS.
It would be nice to consolidate everything and have all the storage space of the NAS easily accessible, then have everything living under one "roof". I could easily grab another DIMM of RAM for the NAS, then set up the VMM to handle HA OS, but not sure if I'd notice the performance hit at all.
Would there be any way to easily "test" the performance of it? If I spun up a fresh VM and perhaps added some local devices in (I know I couldn't easily port my whole config)?
stone orchid
The VM didn’t get an IP address assigned in my router?
it seems like whatever virtualization platform you are uzsing is not able to start the VM in the first place.
stone orchid
Sounds like a topic for <#944337294389805056>
this is #installation-archived
clear maple
this is <#944337294389805056>
Ah yes apologies...thought it was integrations! 🙇♂️ 🙇♂️
delicate burrow
I have HA running on an Intel NUC - HA OS which I want to reset to factory, can I do it without re-installing from USB stick?
dawn flame
So I have a random idea and I'm not sure how insane it is. I currently run HA OS...
I had mine on my NAS for quite a while. I moved it off to a micro PC when I started getting more stuff running. Docker is the way to go in my opinion as I'm in control.
dark jetty
it seems like whatever virtualization platform you are uzsing is not able to sta...
I’m using virtual box. Everything used to work before I changed routers
stone orchid
I’m using virtual box. Everything used to work before I changed routers
Unless you are trying to run HA ON the router, it's great that you got a new one, but unrelated to your issue.
Without further information, this is most likely a faulty installation of VirtualBox. Using your preferred search engine, you can look up the error message and/or the related system calls to find out more.
dark jetty
It can’t be a faulty installation when it was working perfectly fine prior to the router switch. Now I can’t get virtualbox to start the VM. Yes I am reading all related threads on forums to try and find my issue
Btw, all of the related system calls have solutions to “discard saved state”. But I can’t do that as that option is greyed out for me.
rose stone
Hi. I’m planing to move my HA Supervised to an Lenovo M73 Tiny I have from an earlier project. Will I gain anything from installing the desktop environment, or is it best just to stick to the bare minimum “server”? I’m not planing to use it as an normal desktop pc
humble mirage
Installing the desktop environment wouldn't be following the requirements for Supervised and would lead to your system being unhealthy and unsupported
IMO you should see if HAOS works on it first
upbeat wharf
Can I install HAOS on a CubieTruck?
upbeat wharf
Ah okay, thank you
humble mirage
https://www.home-assistant.io/installation lists the various officially supported targets
Outside of a PC it's Pi, ODroid, and Asus Tinkerboard
upbeat wharf
I see, no Cubieboard
humble mirage
If you can get Debian Bullseye running on it then you could probably get Supervised going
You'd have to be nuts though
upbeat wharf
Yes I know, but I got 3 Cupiboards and dont know what to do with them so
humble mirage
Can you run Docker on them?
dawn flame
Hi. I’m planing to move my HA Supervised to an Lenovo M73 Tiny I have from an ea...
I installed the bare bones Alpine OS on mine and went the Docker route. If you'd like to get the most out of the box, that's the route I would take.
upbeat wharf
Can you run Docker on them?
Atm I cant run anything, the flashing fails everytime
neon karma
Just moved everything to a new disk Getting some errors after moving 22-05-04 19:33:15 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.api.ingress] Ingress error: Cannot connect to host ip:port ssl:default [Connect call failed ('IP', Port)]
22-05-04 19:33:16 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.api.ingress] Ingress error: Cannot connect to host ip:port ssl:default [Connect call failed ('IP', Port)]
22-05-04 19:34:26 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.api.ingress] Ingress error: Cannot connect to host ip:port ssl:default [Connect call failed ('IP, Port)]
mossy epoch
When will the 2022.5.0 core Docker image be available?
Pulling homeassistant (ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:2022.5.0)... ERROR: manifest unknown
mossy epoch
Thanks!
humble mirage
It always takes a little time after release for it to be ready
stone orchid
Btw, all of the related system calls have solutions to “discard saved state”. Bu...
Did you try reinstalling VirtualBox?
mossy epoch
Why is the build taking som long time.... I'm eager to try out the new stuff!
humble mirage
If you're that impatient run HA Core as in install method
mossy epoch
No, I'm just happy for the new release. I'll wait.
high token
Alternatively you can join beta and get to try stuff a week earlier than everybody else. On top of helping finding issues 🙂
stone orchid
It can’t be a faulty installation when it was working perfectly fine prior to th...
I don't understand why you reference your new router all the time. A network change doesn't make VirtualBox crap itself and refuse to start the VM, especially when searching the error on the internet results in posts about fixing things WITHIN VirtualBox.
dry trail
Hi there. I was experiencing a problem with Supervisor not updating (https://community.home-assistant.io/t/update-to-supervisor-2022-05-0-failing/418196). Then restart the host (Debian 11, Docker + Portainer), then got the Core update notification. Updated from the UI. Now I cannot access Supervisor Panel 🤔
clever otter
Hi there. I was experiencing a problem with Supervisor not updating (https://com...
I had the same issue, but i left it and then i could access the supervisor panel
high token
you can check on port 4357. If Supervisor isn't running there should be errors there
dry trail
strange, because after upgrading to 2022.5 (core) I don't see any notifications about upgrading Supervisor
dry trail
you can check on port 4357. If Supervisor isn't running there should be errors t...
that didn't work
dry trail
Home Assistant observer
Supervisor: Disconnected
high token
is there no log list there too?
dry trail
also, from the logs (UI):
Logger: homeassistant.components.hassio
Source: components/hassio/init.py:515
Integration: Home Assistant Supervisor (documentation, issues)
First occurred: 15:48:48 (1 occurrences)
Last logged: 15:48:48
Not connected with the supervisor / system too busy!
dry trail
is there no log list there too?
yes, there is, how should I share it?
abstract hearthBOT
high token
If you've have just updated Core it could be the system is busy upgrading the database etc at the moment
although that doesn't explain the Supervisor not running at all
high token
looking at the logs though it looks like you are having issues with Network Manager and system-resolved
both of which are required and don't seem to be installed/ or at least found
dry trail
both of which are required and don't seem to be installed/ or at least found
hmm.... interesting, where can I read about that?
high token
Portrainer alone might be causing issues as well
you're not supposed to have two hypervisors
humble mirage
https://github.com/home-assistant/architecture/blob/master/adr/0014-home-assistant-supervised.md is also important to read
clever otter
just tried to update, done a check through the config checker and get the following error
Looking in links: https://wheels.home-assistant.io/alpine-3.14/amd64/
Collecting homeassistant
Downloading homeassistant-2022.5.0-py3-none-any.whl (17.7 MB)
╸ 0.4/17.7 MB 5.8 MB/s eta 0:00:03
ERROR: Exception:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pip/_vendor/urllib3/response.py", line 438, in _error_catcher
yield```
I am sure i read somewhere though that config checker might not work from now on? However i could have dreamt that!Everyone knows There can be only one...
crude inlet
@clever otter yeah don't bother. backup and go for it
clever otter
i thought that was the case! Its annoying me that i cannot find where i read about the config checker though! @crude inlet
crude inlet
it's been hinky forever. I only ever used it maybe 3 times before realizing. And that was years ago.
grand pivot
now that there's a safe mode, I don't think anyone (else) tries to use that
clever otter
it is? oh dear!
grand pivot
probably DNS or IPv6 issues
clever otter
is there any guide i can use for a starter?
high token
You can try in the Supervisor in the host card under IP address to change there the network settings
1 being for Ipv6 to disabled if not already and 2 for Ipv4 to set to static (which is generally a good idea in the first place as you wouldn't want for the IP of your server to change) and manual DNS servers to something like 8.8.8.8/9.9.9.9
dark jetty
Because it was the only thing that was changed.
Anyways, thanks for your help @CodeSalat#1839. Got the VM running.
Now working on getting the IP address changed in the HomeAssistant CLI since I’m not able to load up the dashboard.
I set the new IP using
nmcli> set ipv4.addresses
I can see the new address when I use nmcli> print ipv4
I’ve restarted the VM after saving but HA still shows the old IP
high token
if you do nmcli con show how many connections do you see?
dark jetty
3
The names are: Supervisor enp0s3, Home Assistant OS default, Ethernet (newest one I added)
high token
Ethernet being the one green?
dark jetty
No. Supervisor is the green one. And that is the original/old IP
dark jetty
Home assistant used to work. Got a new router. Wasn’t able to get the VM running (it is running now). Now working on changing IP.
Old router gave it a ~10.0.0.1 IP, new one is ~192.168.1.1
high token
Right so new router has a completely different DHCP pool
192.168.1.1 would be the IP of the router itself though (usually 1st IP in a pool is)
dark jetty
Correct. I set the IP 192.168.50.5, and changed the DNS and gateway both to 192.168.50.1
But I’m not able to load up the dashboard yet
high token
Wait now 192.168.50.x not the same as 192.168.1.x
192.168.50.5 is what you set in HAOS via nmcli?
what is the IP of the router? And what is the IP of let's say the laptop or your phone (some other device connected in the network) ?
dark jetty
Sorry, I had a typo in my earlier message. Not .1.x, it is .50.x
Router IP is 192.168.50.1
IP of devices are 192.168.50.x
Set HAOS to 192.168.50.6/24 via nmcli
high token
Ah right OK
getting somewhere 🙂
and that was which connection from the ones based on nmcli con show ?
you know?
dark jetty
The green connection is:
Supervisor enp0s3. This is one has always been green. Even prior to adding new connection via nmcli
There is a second connection:
Home Assistant OS default
My newest connection I added:
ethernet
high token
delete the others and keep the one you added
or keep HA OS default
and edit that one
nmcli con delete <connection_name>
I'd personally keep the HA OS default
you could also try deleting other two leave HA OS default as is, reboot and see if it picks up a correct IP automatically
basically the active connection at the moment is Supervisor which is probably a static one you set from the UI
you made a new one but it's not active
dark jetty
I’m able to delete the newest connection I created “ethernet”
But when I use that command for the “Supervisor” connection, it spits back at me:
Error: cannot delete unknown connection(s)
clever otter
1 being for Ipv6 to disabled if not already and 2 for Ipv4 to set to static (whi...
Thanks for the pointers. i get the following error when trying to make IPv4 updates through supervisor
Can't update config on enp0s3: ipv4.addresses: this property cannot be empty for 'method=manual'
modern basalt
I had mine on my NAS for quite a while. I moved it off to a micro PC when I star...
Yeah, docker would certainly require less resources, but I really like the addon functionality (Studio Code Server, Google Drive Backup, MariaDB, etc), the supervisor/update notifications, and backups (though I believe backups exist in the docker install method now too). Plus, I don't feel like I know enough about docker to confidently set up individual containers for the aforementioned addons and have them interact safely with the HA container. Out of curiousity, when you say "running more stuff on it", what "stuff" are you speaking of that would require more resources?
high token
Thanks for the pointers. i get the following error when trying to make IPv4 upda...
You'd want to set all fields
From the error you might have left IP address/netmask empty
clever otter
i filled in all 3 fields. Im just concerned i am going down a rabbit hole here as the error for not downloading the update is very vague
dawn flame
We'd be happy to help you get going and learn. I have everything you mentioned short of the backups but I just back my configuration folder up to my NAS. I can run any Docker containers that I wish to run as I have a true Docker host. It doesn't have to have anything to do with HA. HA doesn't use that much for resources so there's plenty to use for other things.
high token
i filled in all 3 fields. Im just concerned i am going down a rabbit hole here a...
let's see a screenshot of those fields
clever otter
are you able to allow me to send screenshots?
abstract hearthBOT
clever otter
ahhh nice one!
dark jetty
is it two separate words? might need to be in " "
Gotcha. Yes, it was 2 separate words, so it had to be in “name name”
clever otter
clever otter
other person!
grand pivot
I hope it's not controversial to say that all you look alike 🙂
clever otter
apologies!
grand pivot
(pink anonymous circles)
dark jetty
@high token lol you got a lot going on
high token
I blame the time haha
clever otter
it is very late! I am hoping i wake up in the morning and i can do the update and enjoy the new integration im desperate to use!
high token
those look correct so I'm not sure of your error
to me it was suggesting one of the fields were left empty
dark jetty
@high token I got the connections deleted. Now my only connection is the HA OS default.
I’m using the nmcli c mod “Hone Assistant OS default” command, and it is saying:
Error: <setting>.<property> argument is missing
high token
Now that only that one is left, is it not green?
grand pivot
you do need to reboot the host for those settings to take effect
high token
Yeah I would just reboot and check what IP it has after that
modern basalt
We'd be happy to help you get going and learn. I have everything you mentioned s...
Thanks. That's reassuring. I guess my main addon that I'd likely miss would be Studio Code Server. As I understand it, there's a lot of customization that frenck and the Nabu team have put into that addon which doesn't exist in the standard docker packages. Considering I already have stuff like MariaDB running on docker on my Ubuntu server, should be a relatively painless transfer process.
dark jetty
Yeah I would just reboot and check what IP it has after that
You’re the man 💯 able to get the Lovelace dashboard loaded!
grand pivot
Thanks. That's reassuring. I guess my main addon that I'd likely miss would be S...
that's not true
the HA extension is in the marketplace and installable by anyone
modern basalt
It's not just the extension though, is it? It's a bunch of configuration baked into the addon, and automatic configuration of the API.
grand pivot
I run HA OS, but use VS Code natively on my desktop/laptop using the HA extension
it's trivial to set up
it's literally just this:
high token
now that you mention that Rob
side question
are you getting a bug with !secret tags?
modern basalt
How do you access the filesystem locally? SMB addon?
grand pivot
be not afraid to install VSCode natively
grand pivot
you can. I use SSHFS on my Linux server
modern basalt
Oh, I have no issue using VS Code natively, but my "free time to tinker" is generally lunch breaks at work. So Studio Code Server is basically my only option.
grand pivot
are you getting a bug with !secret tags?
not that I've noticed
clever otter
still cannot update, i wonder if its an issue with the external server im trying to connect too
as the rest of my system is working perfectly
dawn flame
I'm also using VSCode with my Docker setup. It's a wonderful thing....
modern basalt
How do people using docker setups tend to know of updates/releases? Just keep an eye on the blog? Or is there some sort of docker alert system?
dawn flame
I just run docker-compose every week or two. Updates everything I haven't tied to a specific version.
high token
I mean main releases are always a set day every month
you should know when that is 😛
but generally there is a version integration
can use that in an automation
high token
still cannot update, i wonder if its an issue with the external server im trying...
docker errors are almost always because of DNS
modern basalt
Ahh cool, yeah a persistent notification based on version differences would be easy.
Oh wait, I don't think I can use Docker anyway. Think I remember reading somewhere that Synology has disabled USB passthrough for non-storage devices in DSM7 unless you use a VM.
high token
you don't use HA yet?
modern basalt
I do. I run it on a ESXi VM on separate hardware. Considering consolidating onto my NAS to save power. The PC that runs it is drawing about 70-90w constant.
high token
modern basalt
Interesting, at least there's a workaround without needing to install VM.
dawn flame
I thought I saw something about you having a mini-pc you were thinking of using....
modern basalt
I already do run it on a old corp PC. Looking to consolidate because it looks like I have enough headroom on the NAS, and as mentioned - wanting to save power.
dawn flame
Ah. Full size PC or a micro?
modern basalt
It's an old Optiplex corporate desktop. So not full powered, but not a NUC.
dawn flame
Gotcha. I'm running on a ThinkCenter. It's about the size of an external drive and uses something like 65 watts or so. Pretty good for an i5 processor. Plenty of resources left for anything I can see putting on it. I have a DS418 Play Synology that I used to run it on, but decided to move it to it's own machine mostly so I controlled the environment. The DSM7 upgrade would have broken it, so I'm happy I was long past that...
storm sluice
dense karma
Hello, Hugh in first-time mode. My Bluetooth connection dropped out yesterday and seems unwilling to return. The bot sent me to a cattery rather than tell me how to reconnect. I see there has been an update to the App, but no means to download to my year-old Android Samsung. Any help, please?
modern basalt
Gotcha. I'm running on a ThinkCenter. It's about the size of an external drive a...
That's actually the exact NAS I was thinking of moving to. And yes, the standalone machine CPU is indeed much better (i7-4790S, 16gb RAM vs Celeron J3355, 6gb RAM on the NAS), but the CPU on the NAS only ever peaks to around 20% usage, even with Plex and NVR/Surveillance Station being used.
sly palm
This is just what I need to know. What else can be use be Etcher? The web page only mentions that utility. I am on a Mac. I ran Etcher. It says it flashed successfully, but the Mac says that the disk is unreadable. What else can I use to get the operating system?
narrow ginkgo
Hi I am new and trying to install HAOS on an old mac mini with VirtualBox. There is always an error that say Failed to start Wait Until Kernel Time Synchronized.... tried installing on old MBP as well with the same error. Appreciated if anyone can give some advice. Thank you so much
grand pivot
This is just what I need to know. What else can be use be Etcher? The web page...
It's not intended to be readable on the Mac after flashing. It's a Linux-based image with an EXT4 file system
dawn flame
That's actually the exact NAS I was thinking of moving to. And yes, the standalo...
It's quite capable as long as you can get the USB passthrough figured out.
rustic quartz
My wifi name and password has changed. How do i change it in Home assistant windows portable? My version stopped working
grand pivot
that is an unsupported installation
rustic quartz
how do i install the supported version in windows? is there an easier way; HAWP was easy to install
crude inlet
@rustic quartz easy to install does not mean easy to run
rustic quartz
ugh. i'm not a software engineer and don't understand the steps to take now
yes, i'm missing the supervisor module that would have provided access to change wifi...frustrating because it's a great product
modern basalt
Grab a Pi or a NUC. The installation process is very well documented and maintained. Super easy to do.
umbral rampart
im having issue after the update, UI pops up for a sec but then will not load. I can SSH in but not sure what to do from there. Any ideas? Thanks
Error: 'Supervisor.restart' blocked from execution, system is not running - CoreState.STARTUP
Getting this after running ha supervisor restart
umbral rampart
ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.api] Error on call http://172.30.32.1:8123/api/config:
also getting this
narrow ginkgo
Hi I am now stuck at the preparing Home Assistant screen. How long do i have to wait? I have been waiting for over an hour
umbral rampart
anyone here have experience restoring a backupup from SSH?
side note /talking to myself.... Sucks when hass crashes but plus one for me I installed a fingerbot to reboot my nuc for me
manic bane
@simple iron if your python is out of date then you won’t be getting updates
simple iron
<@718622831788949575> if your python is out of date then you won’t be getting up...
Oh
manic bane
All HA versions have core. You just are running an old version of python so can’t have anything newer
humble mirage
Python 3.9 or newer
simple iron
I need to force my shared host to update python
manic bane
Either get access to docker or force the update to your shitty host
manic bane
Python 3.9 or newer
He’s got 3.7
humble mirage
I need to force my shared host to update python
You can install your own copy of Python to use yourself
simple iron
~~He’s got 3.7~~
Btw you know where offers precompiled python
simple iron
You _can_ install your own copy of Python to use yourself
450mb ram
humble mirage
Packages are likely available for your OS, whatever that is
simple iron
Packages are likely available for your OS, whatever that is
No sudo + 450mb ram
manic bane
You can download a package and install locally. For just you
humble mirage
"precompiled" means packages
simple iron
Oh
humble mirage
Frankly you seem to have managed to find the shittiest of hosts, providing the shittiest of servers
manic bane
But if you don’t have sudo get a new host
humble mirage
I mean, Oracle do virtual hosts for free...
simple iron
Can I install Debs without sudo
manic bane
Chances are whoever the host is, they’re probably stalking whatever you do
Looking at everything
humble mirage
When your host is providing you with something worse than a Pi2 you know you've hit rock bottom and are digging towards the planetary core
manic bane
Why do you run HA on a remote host anyway
manic bane
Again. Why in a remote host instead of locally
humble mirage
simple iron
Again. Why in a remote host instead of locally
Well no people in my home have old laptop or pc
humble mirage
Why in a shitty remote host at that. I could maybe get it with the folks who've got access to a proper host, that can VPN back to their home as if it was there (bridged VPN).
https://www.oracle.com/uk/cloud/free/#always-free may be an option instead for you
simple iron
<https://www.oracle.com/uk/cloud/free/#always-free> may be an option instead for...
No credit card for a 13yr lol
manic bane
Orrrr spend some money on a rPI or an old computer from eBay or other stores and use that so it’s local
Local is best as you have full control of everything
simple iron
Orrrr spend some money on a rPI or an old computer from eBay or other stores and...
I wish I could but Minecraft is also hosted on a host
humble mirage
Until you do something you're going to be stuck on an ancient version of HA, and we'll keep having this conversation because you keep forgetting why you can't upgrade
manic bane
I wish I could but Minecraft is also hosted on a host
Minecraft can be on a remote host. That’s fine because it does require resources
humble mirage
I wish I could but Minecraft is also hosted on a host
You can run these things on different hosts you know
lavish anvil
Anything is better than a pi in the end
humble mirage
Anything is better than a pi in the end
In this case I'd disagree, that shared host is impressively crap
lavish anvil
Well
manic bane
To fucking update python
Don’t need to swear lol
humble mirage
Should I use this
https://github.com/0x00009b/pkget
Try it?
manic bane
Shared hosts are... Pretty cool in 2011
Or if you don’t have the resources for something like minecraft server hosting
But yes home automation should be local
simple iron
What's python 3.9 in debian repo
humble mirage
python3.9-full and python3.9-venv
simple iron
It does work
humble mirage
Once you've rebuilt your venv with Python 3.9, set a note in your calendar to remember to do this with Python 3.10 in December, and Python 3.11 next December, and ...
simple iron
Once you've rebuilt your venv with Python 3.9, set a note in your calendar to re...
I don't use a venv
humble mirage
simple iron
Cz the whole acc is dedicated to hass
humble mirage
And Minecraft, and ...
humble mirage
Well, you still should use a venv
You don't have the experience to safely judge whether one isn't required
lavish anvil
simple iron
Does apt stop on invalid signature
manic bane
More proof this sort of install is not for you
simple iron
Debian 4.19 lol
humble mirage
I take back what I said about your hosting provider... they're so much worse than I thought
simple iron
What version is it
Linux cloud.libraryofcode.org 4.19.0-18-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.208-1 (2021-09-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux
humble mirage
And that's another sign of how out of your depth you are
lavish anvil
Just buy a #yellow-archived
humble mirage
Check the files in /etc/ - there should be one called something like debian_version
simple iron
10.11
humble mirage
Almost current
simple iron
Almost current
Unable to locate pacjage
humble mirage
simple iron
<a:ablobconfused:634643845472321536>
Yeah it can't find the package
I can pass a custom list though
humble mirage
You're on Buster, I doubt Python 3.9 is an option
simple iron
You're on Buster, I doubt Python 3.9 is an option
Yeah
So compile?
grizzled compass
Hi. Running HAOS on RPi3B. I wanted to upgrade to RPi4B but it seems the HAOS images on the release site are either for RPi3 or RPi4.
Is there a way to have a HAOS SDcard that can boot on RPI3 as well as RPi4? I want to run on the RPi4 and have the RPi3 as a quick standby.
humble mirage
Short answer, no
Buy a spare SD card and keep your backups off the Pi, like you should be doing anyway
manic bane
HA backups restore basically everything anyway. So you can be up and running in about <20 min
Including flash time
humble mirage
If you had it pre-flashed and with a dummy install it'd be up and running faster
green patrol
Hello guys
I was using homeassistant core on my rasp pi 4. Today I updated HA to 2022.5.0.
Rebooted my pi and after that HA is not loading.
I tried reinstalling HA but after typing hass at the terminal it's stuck at recorder error.
Plz help me fix this issue
humble mirage
Are you using an in memory database?
Because if so you didn't read the breaking changes
simple iron
Hello guys
I was using homeassistant core on my rasp pi 4. Today I updated HA to...
Even I can't install python
Atleat I can install clis now
humble mirage
Yeah, but your problems are self-inflicted
grizzled compass
Buy a spare SD card and keep your backups off the Pi, like you should be doing a...
Sure, but that would imply that when the RPi breaks down, I lose everything since the last backup. I had hoped to just put the SDcard in the standby RPi and continue where it left off.
humble mirage
Sadly not possible with your chosen install method
Of course, you can take regular backups automatically...
Mine gets done hourly
green patrol
Because if so you didn't read the breaking changes
But I reinstalled everything still it's not installing. Python etc installed perfectly
abstract hearthBOT
humble mirage
☝️
manic bane
Sure, but that would imply that when the RPi breaks down, I lose everything sinc...
Chances are it will be the SD card that fails not the Pi anyway
In which case backups are even more important
Mine are daily because I do most of my HA work at night, backups happen at 3am or so. I only lose history really
grizzled compass
Backups are made twice a day on a seperate system, so no worries.
humble mirage
I've once seen a dead Pi that wasn't a dead SD card, and that was somebody applying 12V to the 5V input
manic bane
Even I can't install python
Atleat I can install clis now
Fix your host, fix your issues
manic bane
I've _once_ seen a dead Pi that wasn't a dead SD card, and that was somebody app...
Thats impressive
humble mirage
Funny as hell
green patrol
☝️
Currently it's stuck at unable to find configuration creating default one... it's stuck at this point for the last half an hour
humble mirage
What on earth did you do to go from a recorder error to a completely broken install?
green patrol
What on earth did you do to go from a recorder error to a completely broken inst...
Just updated to 2022.5.0