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Currently the company BerryBase from Germany has some CM4 in stock:
- 1GB RAM Lite: 34.33 €
- 4GB RAM 8GB Flash WiFi/BT: 68.65 €
- 8GB RAM 32GB Flash WiFi/BT 108.70 €
just looked, 4 and 8GB are gone already
hope to find some stock soon, for my own yellow, although that is ordered today, so it will be send out later this year anyway
I know it has been said most likely already but does anyone have a Yellow and can advise how it performs? I currently run HASS on a dedicated GenericX86/X64 machine which has 8GB DDR3 and a Core i7-47xx downclocked to 3.10ghz (3.60 stock) and the entire system is set to basically be as quiet as possible.
I was going to simply buy myself a Raspi4 and make a small HASS hub, but Yellow might be a good alternative then having to add things to the pi4 for module support additionally as I suspect it comes more kitted out than a stock pi4
From what I can see it looks a custom PCB that integrates with a pi4, I just wonder if its worth it over just throwing together a small micro-atx system in the foot print of a regular modem.
It saves loads of power compared to a pc
But the compute module is playing a bit of hard to get
I have noticed that
currently searching for one myself. Hope to find an 8GB/32GB no wifi variant soon
Depends on the full system itself too, modern computers can easily do 15-20w at low idle
and will still be a lot more scalable than a pi
@atomic badge
Not the one I am using atm. It is a intel i7-47xx something oh rather but that said does it need 3.0ghz plus for HA?
No, but if you are considering a mini system
I downclocked the CPU to like 3.10ghz from 3.6 saves heat and HA is not going really push an i7 of any kind I feel not unless its polling 300+ things a sec
Indeed I was thinking of using a low cost mini-atx ZEN2 desktop chip
My primary system is a dual X5660 with 128GB RAM and 36 spindles plus 10g and coral internally
it doesn't pull more than 250w total
under load
So frankly I couldn't care much about the powerload, even if power prices are up 350% here the last year
When I have time I'll probably switch the main system to a dual E5-2660 v2 system with 384GB RAM
I would use more memory but honestly DDR5 is well too close to justify buying more DDR4 that said if I wait until ZEN4 launch I can prob get more sticks of DDR4 on the cheap an still be the same trident neos go for 64GB at least
DDR5 will probably be overpriced and not worth it in general
That was my guess too expensive
for regular users already having DDR4
I would like ZEN4 though I prefr LGA any day at least if CPU rips out socket as it does with AM4 (fingers X they fix that in the design for AM5) it won't fuck the pins and I can be less gentle about getting it off the heatsink
Well I run 3600mhz it can clock at 3766mhz stable but that is about as far as I can go before I hit FCLK limits that I would have to contend with
memory it self posts at 4000mhz lol
at 3800mhz I get WEAH errors due to FCLK instablity seems to effect the ZEN3 did not get those on ZEN2
For regular users, it is more of a showoff than a real performace gain tbh, it does make more sense in HPC for memory intensive loads, but memory is fast enough for 99.99% of regular users at unclocked levels
Well that is until the more direct access is available in the traces to allow the memory lanes to basically double as cache for CPU then uplift all around could happen.
Would not be surprised if gen2 AM5 has much better 3D stacking or V-Cache that does not come at a core cost.
So small form factor is what I would want though for just HA, that said I could give it a ZEN2 CPU and make it shoe box size to double as a NAS or PLEX media server which I run on my main rig but I see HA can run plex inside HA
That works pretty well I am aware of that
I fear the Yellow might honestly cost by time its build for AUD $ not that far of $250 which if I just throw like $150 more at it I could throw in a small formfactor AM4 build instead with much more I/O and not have to worry about Blue/Wifi none of that and get wifi6 and at least gigabit Eth.
I never used a raspi4 in my life either, they are in short supply anyway atm
that is about the max my raspi solution will do anyways, so that will be a win still, at those levels.
Also i am thinking of making it run on my solarpanel, instead of the net.
what are powerprices in australia doing these days?
I suspect the raspi4 will never compete with AM4 low cost desktop chip
I did consider solar panels, but I haven't bothered yet since I might buy a new house, I spend 35.000kwh per year now
could do half of that in solar probably
I rather use a pi3 or something to build a smart mirror then HA tbh
you haven't had an energybill of double what you normally pay i guess?
Well
More than that
I used to pay NOK800 a month ($80), these days I pay up to NOK6000 ($600) a month
in electricity
Parts of it is state subsidized back to me though
i think if i can save enough power in this house, my bill could be back to normal. Both yellow and netgate 2100 will add to that. especially when running on solar
$600/month seems quite insane
I used to be at $200/month and that was enough to justify solar
Lowest per month I've had was $25
i have an appartment in a flat..
using 2000kwh
so solar is a bit tricky
home owners association should have invested in solar years ago
I gave up flats at 24, hated them, now my 3000sqft house is getting small with two kids
so looking to move
wish i could afford to move
yellow delayed to end of july 😦
It will still be there much earlier than my rpi4 😕
Like the EV delivery dates that keep getting pushed, which is why an id3 is now more expensive used than new
have to order my Raspi4 compute module, but it is probably easier to wait till the supply is back up to normal levels
For the general chip market that appears to be mid 2023 now
might need to think of something else then, to get my raspi4 back up for HA
I ordered my compute module over six months ago. Still no ETA.
Sounds reasonable
I'm still waiting for enterprise hardware that was ordered in November
And that is actual pricy stuff
With SLA delivery penalties
I know, you prefer the non-WiFi version, but the CM4 8GB RAM/32GB Flash with WiFi is currently in stock at welectron.com (shop from Germany).
Just looked, but nothing available it seems
Also no other versions, just arriving soon
Thanks! It has been ordered. So that is another thing off the list! 😊❤️
The NVME is already in, compute module next so that makes just the yellow delayed
If anyone is interested in CM4 Lite 4GB with WiFi... welectron has those in stock too (at moment).
You're very welcome! Glad you have been successful. 👍
Thnx, ordered it here as well! Now to can my other order that has an unknown delivery date, receive the yellow and Im good to go 😄
This will make me able to do so much more in house 😊
One question. If I have my current HA running on a nvme ssd on a USB enclosure and I want to migrate to HA yellow, is it as simple as removing the SSD from the usb enclosure and plugging it into the nvme slot or the OS itself is different?
If you are running haos you would rather do a backup, install, restore imo not sure of the portability of HAOS between systems
There is/will be an OS specific for the Yellow so backup and restore would be the way to do it
I assumed as much
Presumably because of the pcie but there are other things on the board that need to come through
Yeah same OS, different HW drivers just like all the other HA OS images for different boards
Hello,
I asked **Adaprox **on their new **Kickstarter **for Fingerbot Sense if I could use Home Assistant Yellow project instead of their hub...
This was their response:
Hi,
Fingerbot Sense can be paired with other Zigbee hubs, but since Fingerbot is a special category not accepted as a standard. And its closest category is the switch. So if you are using other Zigbee hubs running on Zigbee standard protocol, then you can only trigger the Fingerbot but are not able to make other changes on settings.
And Zigbee version is a brand new product development in Fingerbot, which requires huge sums of investment for R&D in the new chip. That's the reason why we are charging $3 more than the Bluetooth version.
Thanks,
The Fingerbot Sense Team
Should I go for it? Honestly I already feel quite bad about the pathetic 3$ per Fingerbot fee. As they blast Zigbee compatibility everywhere, but then ask for an extra charge.
Bit shady.
is there another way to get the same result from a device?
but for what i see when i look into it, this is pretty much worth the money you spend
Given I have already 30+ Zigbee devices I would also want the Zigbee variant. In terms of support it's probably just a matter of time before someone adds it to the current available options like ZHA/Z2M/deCONZ. That said I definitely wouldn't be wanting to buy their hub but would also not necessarily want to buy them right now for them to just be in a box until they do become supported
It will probably work with z2m/zha already tbh, but the whole proprietary ecosystems vibe from their reply puts me off
Hey guys I’m building out a testing unit to prepare and start moving all of my integrations from SmartThings to home assistant. I purchased a cm4 a nvme ssd and a z wave.me pro hat. Currently I was able to flash to newest boot loader and get it to boot using yellow image for 8.1. I am having issues getting the z wave hat to run with out shutting down does anyone have any experience with this z wave module ?
Also have a yellow on preorder would like to get all set up to go so I can transition easily when it arrives
Just received mine! Thanks again for the tip. 👍
Now suddenly the yellow is the bottleneck 😄
Rather that than any off the other parts
If I'm new to HA, and with Yellow model being unavailable until the end of the year, what would be the next best option to get started if I mostly want to use Hue lights/sensors w/Inovelli Blue zigbee switches? Yellow kit + try to find the other parts? A NUC (main drawback here is power)? A NAS? I don't mind spending a bit, more concerned with reliability and power usage since it would be on all the time.
or just wait for Yellow if I can manage?
any mini PC is usually a good option. Doesn't have to be an intel NUC per se
and it doesn't have to be a 500€ NUC with an i7
usff mini pc also a decent option
Hi, new to all this – are the current Home Assistant Yellow prices preorder specials that will change once it's generally available?
Like thanasis says, plus an old laptop is great, built in ups
Thankfully that part is sorted. I've got my cable modem and router and Hue bridge on a backup so the HA device(s) would go there also.
What's the difference between the developer sample and what the early backers get, if anything? Also, if the developer samples are arriving then does that mean early supporters will also start receiving our orders soon?
Delivery Times were updated in the latest Crowd Supply Update
The Pilot (or developer) samples are for us to QA test everything before approving everything for Mass Production. We approved the unit itself and this test was more for the packaging.
The POE delay is disappointing, but glad to see it was only a small slip
Will it be possible to turn off the lights blinking in the case. Not the highest WAF with a green and red led in the living room
Our goal is to make controlling the LEDs possible inside of Home Assistant
How hard is it to assemble the yellow kit? Do I need to solder anything or is it just plugging in the parts?
There's no soldering.
It will be pretty straight forward. Screws, some adhesive and clicking into place. We will have a documentation website that will guide you through everything
Great, that I can manage myself 😄 thanks
A quick question on the side regarding the current 31st July delivery date for the Kit.
Is its more of a “will be delivered till then” or a “will be delivered from then on” kind of date?
Because I’m off on vacation mid-end August, and it start cutting pretty close with the date moving back.
Also yay for pretty pictures
Deliveries will begin at the end of July. I can't confirm dates for delivery to different regions. You will get an update from Crowd Supply based on if your order will be one of the ones fulfilled and delivery information
Well, as I know my luck this will run right into the wall for me.
thx for the info
You do not even need a screwdriver for the case, thumbscrews 🎉
Is the aeotec zwave 7 internal chip still supported? I remember we talked about the gpio had enough pins for the expansion card and it worked at that time. I have an unused aeotec zwave 7 exp board and would be cool to have everything embedded into the box
Also will the zigbee be locked to zha or will it be free to use other methods?
Yes. The Zwave Internal Chip will still be possible to add.
ZHA will be automatically set up and the only fully supported option. Other method may still be possible. There will not be anything locking it down to one specific zigbee integration. It is Silabs so Z2M support isn't perfect yet. We are working with Z2M to find a solution that will be better for these silabs chips
I cannot wait for mine, already have my cm4 in the drawer!
@mighty chasm i have been on backorder for an 8gb cm module for 6 months. Ordered a 2gb with the yellow, but think i need 8gb and crossing fingers cm5 will be drop in replacement as cm4 is on the low end
will there be a 3d printable STL file released for the case if we want to switch it up?
I’m getting slightly worried I won't be able to find a cm4, realized a little to late that there was a shortage on them 😕
I got mine by subscribing to the rpilocator alerts (on twitter): https://rpilocator.com/?instock
You'll get notified when something is in stock again.
Got my hands on a CM4, 8Gb mem, 32Gb eMMC version with Wi-Fi & BT that way just a couple of weeks ago
Wont the wifi interfere with the zigbee module? I will check that website as im 6 months in backlog on digikey
Just because it was WiFi on the board doesn't mean you need/are going to use it
Same would apply to Bluetooth too, both in terms of not using and interference possibility
Wifi should be disabled by default until you configure a country so it knows on which channels to operate on. At least as far as i remember in regards to CM4 wifi
It will on any pi afaik
then maybe I just misremembered or it might have been something os specific.
But I'll certainly will turn off wifi on mine to reduce the risk of problems with zigbee and zwave
I did mean it will be disabled until country is selected on any pi
Great tip thanks! I missed the subscribe function, hopefully that will help in sorting this 👍
My yellow unboxing https://twitter.com/pvizeli/status/1541339505541660673 🎉
We are just a little bit jealous.
@lethal timber Sad to say its sent to the wrong address. You have to wrap it up and send it to me asap!
if I'm understanding correctly, 'new' orders for yellow would still be end-of-year though
Most likely, yes
Are the CM modules that was ordered with the Yellow being shipped at the same time, or is it still a problem sourcing CM-modules? I ordered the POE-version and CM module. If course Im going to upgrade from the shipped CM that got 2GB ram from what I remember to a 8GB, but I have been on waiting list for 6 months now
If you ordered a Home Assistant Yellow (Standard, not kit) then yes the CM4 will be included
I ordered kit cause the standard doesnt have POE
but ordered CM module on the crowdfunder
Does the Yellow board have a watchdog logic? (Which can restart the device in case it freezes)
Does any consumer devices have that? We've had it on enterprise hardware for over two decades, but I've never seen it on consumer hardware
I would love that to be implemented, but I doubt it. I would not be suprised if it comes a V2 especially if CM5 wont fit. When that said I think the case of the blue is much more presentable than the yellow
100+ Raspberry Pi CM4108000 Compute Module Lite, 8 GB RAM, WLAN available on Welectron.com for those who aren't following pilocator
and Raspberry Pi CM4104016 Compute Module 16 GB, 4 GB RAM, WLAN
How much sense would 8gig ram over 4 make on a yellow?
I am actually clueless to this but I snagged a 8Gb, more can't be worst at least =7
8GB will give you a lot more headroom
Since a rpi can't scale
If you choose 4 you are stuck if you reach the max
In the end it depends 😅 I use a 8GB, but it seems overkill for my use case (I run Core with a couple of add-ons like MariaDB/Influx/Visual Studio Code Server, but nothing too crazy)
The number of add-ons I've seen users install on a pi, wowzers
"why is my system so slow"
Also, 8 makes it reusable for other stuff after eventually moving platforms
It appears the price difference is negligible anyway, $85vs105
Depends a lot on store it seems, I also see $70vs95
https://rpilocator.com/?cat=CM4 8GB in stock
How long did it take for the 8 to be all gone? like 20 min?
Don't even think it took that long to be honest. But I think the amount they get is pretty limited. I have gotten e-mail notifications from Welectrons own re-stocking notification service while I have been in front of the machine and the time it took me from reciving the e-mail, logging in, putting it in my basket and then enter checkout wasn't enough to snag one then.
I somehow got one of them (already have the shipping notification) and i took my sweet time
weird
But at least now they still have a 100+ of the 16GB, 4GB Ram version in stock so worst case scenario, grab one of those while they last.
I managed to get a 16/8 this time around so I'm happy.
I assume my previous experience was when they got like a singel digit amount or something
Wasn't the 8gig model at 100+ stock as well at the beginning, or did I mix it up with the 4gig/16?
I think you are right now when I re-read my post, looks like the lite 8gb version was a 100+ as well.. Wow, thats quick!
It's like a droplet of water on hot stone... just insane the market right now
Yeah, lets just hope that it's only real end users snagging them and that people arn't trying to make a quick buck of them and resell them.
Probably the latter
We can only hope. At least welectron states that the purchase per person is strictly limited
like GPUs
I just had to order the 4GB until I get the 8GB from digikey - at least better than nothing
If you run HA from the nvme, it should be swap and go fro you then, shouldn't it?
It should
Now I only need my yellow 😦 Ordered a PoE and get every month a notification that the delivery will be later …
can you ever have "enough" RAM? ordered an 8G as well, got it today, now waiting for the Yellow to be shipped.
It is never a bad idea to have enough when you have a system you can't upgrade
well, you can upgrade the Yellow by swapping the CM4 module.
Replacing!=upgrading
If you have the light variant, it will be simple replace. If you use a eMMC variant, the OS is installed on the eMMC by default. Hence you need to do the same on the new module.
Yes, hopefully most will opt for nvme and not emmc
The default is installing to eMMC when its present, and currently there is no easy way to force the installer to use NVMe
There is an advantage of using eMMC: It freeze up bandwith on NVMe 🙂
One would think the bandwidth of the nvme would suffice for 99% of the userbase regardless
True, but there are two other concerns:
- Earlier CM4 do not have a firmware capable of booting from NVMe. If we default to NVMe (if present), people might end up in an unbootable system
- All CM4 will boot from eMMC before NVMe. If there is something stale/present on the eMMC, user will boot into something other than eMMC...
So flashing onto eMMC is the safer opton at this point. That said, I see your point, it would make swapping CM4 much easier... Tradeoffs 😰
Interesting, as always there are tradeoffs with off the shelf consumer stuff
hello, I am new to home assistant and smart home. I would like to purchase home assistant yellow, but I really don't know package I should buy. what is the best option for a beginner ?
The best option will be Home Assistant Yellow. This will come with Home Assistant Pre-Installed and ready to go!
https://www.crowdsupply.com/nabu-casa/home-assistant-yellow#products First option in the list
thank you Zack
Does the aeotec zwave 7 (gpio model) fit with the nvme installed?
This is a picture of the yellow with a nvme and a zwave board, it's from the zwave update on crowdsupplie
This is the update
Great! I just wished it had a sim slot or supported esim. Its when the power is out you want info from the smart home
Don't forget the integrated emergency power generator. 😋
Would the Zooz 700 Series Z-Wave Plus S2 USB Stick ZST10 700 work with the Yellow box ?
yeah but you'll need a usb extender to move the stick away from the usb ports
Thanks. I have the same on my Universal Devices Polisy
Hmm, that rpilocator.com site doesn't seem entirely reliable. Welectron.com claims to have 100+ stock of the 4GB 32GB MMC No Wifi CM4s and rpilocator isn't noticing it.
The eMMC write process is actually pretty easy however I wish RPI integrates the extra step in their programming tool :p
Would it not be faster to write directly to the nvme and not the emmc?
with zigbee device troubleshooting - first question is usually "are you using a usb extension?". With yellow having an on-board zigbee chip that is not able to be moved away from the hardware, should we expect more susceptibility to interference?
The placement of the module is away from most components which can cause interference. The module also is one of the better ones when it comes to isolating interference. (Not affiliated just my opinion and experience with the same SI labs module)
And there's also no USB3.0 which causes most of the interreference in other boards
Good to know, thanks both. That also might explain why I've not experienced interference issues without an extension on my pi 3B+ (no USB 3.0)
and presumably you're using ethernet and not wifi too
Hopefully
Under a week delivery on the CM4 module - that was fast. Good the pilocator was posted here
Yes but physically located close to my wifi router
Close to != On top of / in the same device
But you might want to do channel scan if you have a lot of close neighbours
does the Yellow have the option for USB Boot - to get the eMMC flashed?
I don't have a raspberry Pi IO Board, and would like to skip getting one for this one time use.
@compact tide you'll be able to install from a usb flash drive
oh no...
i didnt realize the cm4 boards were pushed out so far 😦
Dec. 15, 2022
Originally estimated to ship:
May 20, 2022```
that's really disappointing
i guess i just expected a notification if that were to change
i got an email about the yellow changing to end of june not the cm4 tho
There was an update each time we changed it
The only email I see is from the push back from may to June on the yellow itself, zero communication about the cm4 or the second pushback to end of July on the yellow
Only reason I knew about the second delay was the updates from this server’s announcements
It is what it is but damn I’m bummed. Was really excited to play with the yellow
Have you ordered a seperate CM4 from CrowdSupply alongside the Yellow order? If that's the case, I think the Yellow-Team is not to blame. For those orders CrowdSupply themselves are responsible afaik.
Hello there! Does anybody know if I could run Home Assistant Supervised on the CM4 and still use all of the features yellow provides (like zigbee for example)? I want to use the CM4 for other docker containers besides HASS and I read on the forums that I should choose HA Supervised then instead of Home Assistant OS.
Supervised only allows you to run add ons as supported containers. If you want to run as container then use HA container and install other containers yourself
Can these containers access zigbee and stuff?
*not these - the home assistant containers
Hello everyone 👋
totally new here. Building a new home for my family...
I'd like fo ask you some questions:
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Would you suggest running HA on yellow if J will already have Synology NAS
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in which cases one would need additional SSD storage for HA yellow?
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why PoE yellow is available only w/o RaspberryPi 4?
Depending on what Synology the yellow might be a downgrade, Storage needs depends on add-ons, if you use add-ons, Poe question, no idea
Thanks for the answer!
Do I get support for ZigBee and other connections via usb dones on Synology?
Which add-ons require much storage?
Yes, you can do usb passthrough,or use Ethernet to serial devices with your Synology
I do not know, I don't use add-ons
Downgrade is relative. Since everyone going to run this with his, built in ZigBee and most probably slap on a leave and nvme inside it. Yes it's a downgrade from a good Nas, but I would find it much more valuable to have everything local, incl database. The box should not have a single point of failure except power. In my world my ha should run with full ZigBee/zwave on my ups when everything else go to sleep. I push Poe via ups too
atxbyea is staunchly anti-pi
that's certainly clear enough
Did someone say my name
But you can have Synology's NAS local too, right?
And I wouldn't assume that NAS is more prone to failure than yellow board or am I wrong?
Good point regarding UPS tho! (what UPS are u using?)
Abselutely, but in a power failure i rather shut down a power hungry nas than having access to everything in my home, firedetectors etc
BlueWalker PowerWalker UPS VI 3000 RLE but if you dont have a rack go for something smaller
Im actually going to downgrade. I want the most supported, most stable os, least power draw. Didnt want to go with pi, da det ble byggesett for å ungå sdkort. Med litt flaks støtter yellow cm5 og 6 også
Eh, even my small 2100va keeps my 2u rack server up for 10+ minutes, and with one power failure per 10 years that is longer than 3 seconds i never shut down anything
And if we have a power failure there is nothing to be smart anyway ;-)
One small gsm goodbye before the house burns down
I'm sorry Dave
We're not actually putting life saving devices in the hands of home assistant right? 😬😬
well whats the alternative?
I dunno, like, something that's designed for safety critical workloads? I don't know if what you mean is that if HA goes offline then your smoke detectors don't work...
I hope not!
I have google nest, but getting quite OT now
Nest is probably my only cloud based device, everything else will work even if internet was down for days
Is there a way to get POE to the non-POE version?
you could put a poe splitter in the network to pull 12v out to power the yellow through the barrel jack (should be 12v?)
found several on Amazon on the first try for 10 to 20 bucks
Thank you! I don’t have a POE setup right now but might in the future.
You don't need a full Poe switch for Poe either, just an injector
Dsm 7 has limited usb support, you’ll have to set it up the drivers manually on each update and have a startup script.
What is DSM?
Are you running it on Synology? What is your experience?
Synology os
I run HA, zigbee2mqtt, mosquito on docker containers on the nas. It works pretty good, just regret upgrading from dsm 6 to 7
Thanks for the input.
If you'd have a chance getting HA yellow would you run HA on it or still on NAS?
I’ve ordered yellow POE and already have a cm4. I’ll make that decision after testing it 😅
Great I'd be really greatful, if you share the results.
When your yellow has ETA?
Based on the delay it’ll ship end of august?
I have question is there any how to guide to install HA on Pi CM4 eMMC form windows OS or video ??
in short time my Yellow it will arrived but I don't find any guide.
We will have a guide that will walk you through what is needed