questions-2

[rustic dock]

legally it would probably be better style to make absolutely sure though right XD

[plush pelican]

legalese is its own language

[rustic dock]

yeah it's made with such care to eliminate all ambiguity

(although some german legal texts now seem dated and ambiguous)

[gaunt sapphire]

"Die Reparatur nahm mehr Zeit in Anspruch als erwartet." Would it be correct to use "in anspruch nehmen" in this context?

[rustic dock]

that sentence is completely correct yes

[gaunt sapphire]

do i understand it right, that we use this expression only to specify that something will take More time?

or just generally if it will take a lot of time?

well, or both?

or we can use it in any situation talking about something taking time?

[rustic dock]

„als erwartet“ means „than anticipated“

[gaunt sapphire]

yes but i mean what about "zeit in anspruch nehmen" in general

in other situations

[rustic dock]

it generally implies that something takes time

an unspecified amount of time but just like in english (when you say „learning a language takes time.“), the implication is that it takes a while

generally a longer time

[gaunt sapphire]

ooh i see

thanks😊

[south tapir]

pardon the curiosity but I assumed you were male, why specifically of a muttersprachlerin?

[plush pelican]

zuzu is female....I assume?

female profile pic anyway

[queen gate]

I have a question

When is "hab" used?

Is it just skipping the pronoun?

Ich habe > hab?

Ich habe einen Hund gesehen = Hab einen Hund gesehen

?

[willow socket]

in spoken german, the 'e' sound at the end of verbs conjugated for 'ich' often disappears, leading to this way of writing it

[queen gate]

Seltsam

I assume this is only colloquial and it's not a standard feature of German?

[willow socket]

yes

[slim basin]

Hello

[plush pelican]

I swear, this book uses "hochgewachsen" for every single time someone is called "tall", and it's weird.

Can't you use "groß" to say someone is tall?

Eine große Frau

?

[latent juniper]

Yes, hochgewachsen is more literary and gives the feeling of being slightly bigger than "groß" (native speakers please correct me if im wrong)

[sand geyser]

is there any rules or a way to predict a words gender? or atleast any patterns?

[rustic dock]

sure but it sounds much more casual

i mostly read old books and there you find descriptions like „ein Mann mittleren Wuchses“

[cloud cypress]

Yes, theres bunch of rules (and their respective exceptions) such as -ung ending words are feminine, or -er ending words are usually masculine

you would need to look at the list, i dont have anything digital list wise, i only have physical books

[plain umbra]

The recommendation is to learn each new noun with its article as you learn vocab.

But with compound nouns (nouns made by joining together multiple words), the final word tells you the gender.

If the final word is a suffix, it usually has a gender associated with it.

[sand geyser]

Thank you guys

[bleak lily]

Hi. I want to learn German. Is there a group that offers lessons for beginners?

[dawn atlas]

Hey guys is it possible to find listening Schritte Plus 4 online??

[wispy yarrow]

There's #lesson-info and #lesson-announcements for lessons, but there are no set study groups in this server

[west pond]

what is the implied neuter noun in "ins Deutsche"

Kannst du das ins Deutsche übersetzen?

it would logically be die deutsche Sprache, but "ins Deutsche" implies that it is a neuter noun not a feminine one like "Sprache"

as this is a nominalised adjective so there is an invisible implied neuter noun here

[old mortar]

In „ins Deutsche“, „Deutsche“ itself is the noun.

In German, adjectives can be nominalised (substantiviert). When that happens you take the noun endings + the gender which is fixed by convention, not by the implied noun.

But nominalised adjectives referring to languages are neuter
eg: das Deutsche, ins Englische, aus dem Französischen

So in the sentance: Kannst du das ins Deutsche übersetzen?

in + das Deutsche = ins Deutsche

Deutsche is the nominalised adjective meaning "the German language"

I hope that explains it

[plush pelican]

The language itself is neuter, otherwise it would get mixed up with a German man (der Deutsche) or a German woman (die Deutsche)

[slim basin]

Hallo

[jolly warren]

Hallo

[wintry wolf]

<@&305455824174710787> Hello, guys, I have question, Why I cannot write in the Study Groups chats ? When I speak with people we learn German we want to share some expressions and words, why can I do so ? What I need to activate that feature ?
Thanks in advance!

[west pond]

der deutsche Mann = der Deutsche

die deutsche Frau = die Deutsche

**die **deutsche Sprache = **das **Deutsche

deutsche is an adjective, it has no gender, when nominalised the gender isn't of the adjective but of what the noun would be after it.

der arme Mann = der Arme

die arme Frau = die Arme

arme itself has no gender

the only answer is that it's by convention "ins Deutsche" as neuter, or if there was an implied neuter noun which means language

[plush pelican]

Any time you turn an adjective into a noun, the masculine and feminine versions tend to mean people with that characteristic

so to talk about not-people, it makes sense to use something else, the neuter gender

[willow socket]

Have you not encountered the quite frequent “im Deutschen”? It’s neutral: das Deutsche. Ins Deutsche, ausm deutschen, im deutschen, etc

[west pond]

yeah, It is neuter

the question is why, Argus says nominalised adjectives refering for things other than people is neuter

[willow socket]

Does it really matter why? You can memorise it in 30 seconds. Asking why is hours of linguistics or something idk

[west pond]

i love that, what can i do

[plush pelican]

https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/energie/gasspeicher-fuellung-deutschland-100.html

Is that Denglisch? How often are politicians using Denglisch in their speech?

Duden lists "monitoren", but says it's from English

[rustic dock]

that sounds exceptionally stupid

and i really really really hope they don't do this often, better yet, not at all

[plush pelican]

That's the current Bundesministerin für Wirtschaft und Energie

[rustic dock]

grim

[nova sparrow]

@plush pelican
there are enough German words that explain what they do: Überprüfen / überwachen / beurteilen / beobachten ...

[rustic dock]

my thoughts exactly

[south tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/salieri-mozart-gif-19031757

[south tapir]

It's bleak

[south tapir]

Methinks there just too many people who pride themselves on disfiguring and down right replacing German with English, and a hundred times as many people who do the same but unconsciously

In the case of the latter demographic, I think it has to do primarily with copious consumption of content in the english language, if you surround yourself with any given language and neglect your mother tongue, limiting its use and cutting consumption in it, the other language is bound to invade your thoughts in the native language

Because it feels more "natural" or less "weird" to use the English word than the German one

[plush pelican]

Which would you have used? Überwachen?

I looked at her career on Wikipedia; apparently she has spent a lot of time in business. I know that English terms are gängiger in business--maybe it's an influence from there?

[willow socket]

pretty much every other news source says beobachten

aside from that, while monitoring is originally english, the fact that there are dictionary entries for it imply that its status is at least that of a Lehnwort. So it isn't "Denglish".

If you're actually interested in how much "Denglish" makes it into German political speeches, the Bundestag speeches are televised and usually available on YouTube. I've never noticed it before, but then again I don't tend to excessive hand-wringing on the matter.

[nova sparrow]

based on the intensity
überwachen (quite intense) or
beobachten (not that intense),
überprüfen (can be a one time check).
But Überwachungsstaat or the wish not to be one could let you chose another term 🤷‍♂️

[rustic dock]

„im Auge behalten“

[jade hawk]

Was soll ⁨⁨Beziehungskiste⁩⁩ heißen? Beziehung aber in einem abwertenden Sinn? Wenn ich die Definition lese sieht es fast nach dem englischen ⁨⁨Situationship⁩⁩

[willow socket]

https://learngerman.dw.com/de/die-beziehungskiste/a-16418817

it isn't really a situationship, which to me would imply lack of clarity about whether it's a serious relationship or not. It is a "real" relationship with problems.

[jade hawk]

yeah makes sense

duden suggested the lack of clarity part

[willow socket]

hm true, maybe it's both

[rose slate]

w\

e3

[rose slate]

oops lmao

cat on the keyboard

[unique trench]

if they have a question let them speak

[rose slate]

He does not know english :(

Or german

[nova sparrow]

doesn't seem to be successful 🤷‍♂️ 🤔 🧐

[plush pelican]

Das wäre dir eine Hilfe.

Das wäre für dich hilfreich.

You can't do "das wäre dir hilfreich"?

Can you do, "das wäre für dich eine Hilfe"?

[robust glade]

Ich denke, dass "das wäre für dich eine Hilfe" normal und nutzbar klingt, aber "das wäre dir hilfreich" klingt eher komisch. Ich will allerdings nicht ausschließen, dass es trotzdem verwendbar ist.

[plush pelican]

Weißt du, warum dem so ist? Oder ist es nur Sprachgefühl?

Das ist mühsam aber meinem Erachten nach der einzige Weg, um dann in ein paar Jahren die Früchte der Arbeit ernten und endlich entspannt ein englisches Buch lesen zu können.

"meinem Erachten nach" statt "meines Erachtens"?

Geht das auch standardsprachlich, oder ist das nur umgangssprachlich, oder ist das einfach völlig falsch?

[willow socket]

https://www.korrekturen.de/beliebte_fehler/meines_erachtens_nach.shtml

Analog zu meiner Meinung nach oder meiner Ansicht nach kann man auch sagen meinem Erachten nach oder nach meinem Erachten, wobei die Präposition nach den Dativ verlangt. Sehr viel üblicher ist allerdings die Genitivform meines Erachtens, die allerdings dann nicht mit nach verbunden werden darf: Meines Erachtens hätte der Richter den Angeklagten freisprechen müssen.

[rustic dock]

in my opinion all of these are ok

[rustic dock]

ist es, nur, dass heutzutage viele leute eher gebilde mit präpositionen benutzen, falsch ist der andere ansatz deshalb, grammatikalisch, nicht.

[rustic dock]

beide richtig

das einzig unkonventionelle daran wäre die wortstellung, „nach meinem erachten“ klänge gewöhnlicher, aber beides ist richtig

das ist übrigens auch relativ gängig mit „wegen“

„halber/halben“ etc.

[rustic dock]

it’s hard to explain but it’s mostly just a relatively dismissive way to say relationship

as if the speaker is in doubt about it or uncertain of its remifications

it’s not a „situationship“ though whatever that even really means

[jade hawk]

real

Despite seeing the word and its explanations semi-often I don't exactly know what it means anyway

[loud obsidian]

.

[slim basin]

Hello everyone

Hello everyone

[final sand]

In this phrase:

hin und zurückzusegeln

I understand what it means and what each of its components mean, but is "zurückzusegeln" considered 1 word, or 3? Is this a new compound word being created on the spot, or is it more of a style rule to remove the spaces between zurück, zu, segeln?
And side note: Is this a grammatical must, or more of a formal thing? Would "hin und zurück zu segeln" be grammatically incorrect?

[plush pelican]

"zurücksegeln" is a word

segeln = to sail

zurück- = prefix meaning "back"

zurücksegeln = to sail back

the "zu" in the middle of it is because the whole thing is an Infinitivsatz, an infinitive clause, which is a type of dependent clause

Ich kann dir helfen, Deutsch zu lernen.

Ich trainiere, um fit zu bleiben.

Infinitivsatz uses "zu"

but specifically when the key verb in the Infinitivsatz is a separable verb, a verb with a prefix that splits off, like "zurück-", the "zu" gets put inside of the key verb, between the prefix and stem of the word (so between "zurück" and "segeln")

This is B1-level concept; have you learned about Infinitivsätze yet?

[plain umbra]

I would say, try to avoid getting caught up on "how many words" are being used here because the concept of a "word" isn't that specific.

[plush pelican]

As far as I know, it's a grammatical must; you must insert the "zu" into the separable verb, between the prefix and stem of the separable verb

[plain umbra]

Like word as in "things separated by spaces" and word as in "a single grammar element with a meaning" are different things and you shouldn't confuse them.

Btw for how the "hin" fits in, the whole sentence may be needed.

[warm robin]

Question about "die Vollzeit" and "die Teilzeit". These seem to be nouns in Wiktionary. (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Vollzeit#German)

ummm... how is this a noun? Wiktionary doesn't have any example sentence so I feel confused.

In English, "Fulltime" and "Parttime" are adjectives.

Okay, langenscheidt seems to have some example sentences at least.

https://en.langenscheidt.com/german-english/vollzeit

...

Okay so its capitalized like a German noun.

but there's no "die" or "eine" article. So it feels more like an adjective to me, lol.

I mean, if this is how its used, this is it. That's just a bit weird and confusing to me for some reason.

[plain umbra]

It's not uncommon for nouns to be used without articles in German.

Ich bin Arzt. Ich lerne Deutsch. Ich arbeite Vollzeit.

[warm robin]

fair enough

[plain umbra]

Maybe it helps a bit to also think of English phrases that work similarly. For example "I work night shifts." It's a noun but describes the style of work in a similar way as "part time".

[onyx zealot]

i think one example that translates 1:1 of how phrases ignore nouns is "das ergibt Sinn" --> "that makes sense"

[fierce iron]

I've also seen "Das macht Sinn" but have also heard that it's not a fully accepted translation. is "das ergibt Sinn" widely used?

[onyx zealot]

idk how widespread macht Sinn is but yes ergibt Sinn is used often

[robust glade]

Many people use "macht Sinn", but everyone that is a bit educated knows that "ergibt Sinn" is gramatically better. Especially younger people use "macht Sinn"

[plush pelican]

Then again, if enough people start saying something, it stops being wrong and starts being right 😄

[regal wave]

I quit the idea of "macht Sinn" being "wrong" after I saw it being used in an academic book by a professor aged 60+

That's when I decided that it has become proper German.

(I still prefer using "ergibt Sinn" when I write, so, at least...preference!)

[mighty nova]

Gibt es eine tips zum Lesen?

ich musste näschste Freitag prufung b1 machen

Helf Mir bitte!!

[plain umbra]

@primal birch Recommending AI for that purpose is against the rules. Please don't do it again.

[inland narwhal]

Hallo, I'm having a lot a trouble understanding which cases to use for parts of sentences. does anyone have any mnemonics or tools for knowing which noun would be in the ackusitive, or dative case?

[plain umbra]

faq akk dat

[stoic mauve]

accusative vs dative

Both accusative case and dative case are used for objects in a sentence. This FAQ explains when to use each case. It’s recommended to learn and practice each of the following subtopics separately.

Verbs with 1 Object

For the majority of verbs, they have one object and the object is accusative. However, sometimes the object is dative. For example, "helfen": “Ich helfe dir.” You can find a list of these dative verbs here. Rarely, verbs also have genitive objects, but this is so uncommon that you don’t need to actively learn them.

Verbs with 2 Objects

For verbs with 2 objects, the following rule typically applies: the direct object is accusative and the indirect object is dative. For example: Ich gebe dem Mann das Buch. A very small number of verbs have 2 accusative objects. The only common example of that is “lehren”.

Prepositions with 1 Case

For most prepositions, you can just memorise which case the prepositions uses. For example, “mit” always has a dative object while “ohne” always has an accusative object.

Two-Way Prepositions

Some prepositions can have either an accusative or dative object, depending on the exact meaning. The basic explanation is that dative objects are for describing the location of something, while accusative is used to describe a change of location. Specifically, in the accusative version, the person/object starts in one place and ends in a different place.

Dative (location): Ich bin im Haus. (I am in the house.)
Accusative (change of location): Ich gehe in das Haus. (I walk into the house.)

Please note that the accusative version does not mean “movement”. Movement that happens all in one location will still be dative.

Dative (location): Ich gehe im Park. (I am walking inside the park.)
Accusative (change of location): Ich gehe in den Park. (I go to the park./I walk into the park.)

Other Resources

Visual diagram of these rules: [Link to post](#questions message)
Diagram of common prepositions: [Link to post](#questions message)

[plain umbra]

This topic is actually a few topics.

[inland narwhal]

ok

[plush pelican]

»Da ist ein Lavafluss«, meldet Amitsugu, als seine Späher zurückkehren.
»Wirklich?«
»Ja.«
»Ist er cool?« Ich versuche, mir keine allzu großen Hoffnungen zu machen. »Oder ist es nur ein lahmes Rinnsal, das mich bereuen lässt, es überhaupt aufgesucht zu haben, sodass ich mir wünschte, mit meinem sogenannten Freund am Strand geblieben zu sein, obwohl er Jenn schon die ganze Woche anstarrt?«

Noch einmal lese ich die deutsche Übersetzung eines ursprünglich auf Englisch erschienen Romans und frage mich, "Geht das eigentlich, oder haben sie zu wortwörtlich übersetzt?"

[hot nova]

Hallo

Ich brauche Hilfe

[plush pelican]

Ich glaube, im Original wäre das "Is it cool or is it just a lame trickle"

aber "lame" hier nicht im Sinne von "lahm", sondern von "uncool".

Kann man "lahm" ebenfalls auf Deutsch so benutzen, oder haben sie es zu wortwörtlich übersetzt?

[hot nova]

Ich lerne Deutsch und bin neu im Programm und verstehe noch gar nichts.

[robust glade]

Ich würde sagen, dass es zu wortwörtlich übersetzt wurde. "Lahm" passt meiner Meinung nach nicht in diesem Zusammenhang. Vielleicht kann man es so benutzen, aber ich kenne niemanden, der das wirklich machen würde, erst recht nicht in alltäglicher Sprache

[dawn oxide]

Also es kann sowas wie langweilig bedeuten, aber so richtig passen tut das jetzt nicht. Wurde bisschen zu wortwörtlich übersetzt

Aber kann man schon so schreiben, bedeutet dann halt eher sowas wie langsam oder langweilig anstatt uncool

[acoustic marsh]

Can anyone explain to me how this works cos I'm confused

In that sentence oder means them but in other sentences oder means or. How can one word mean so many different things? I get they can mean different things but the damn app didn't bother to explain this just through it at me and expected me to know

[plush pelican]

How it works is that Duolingo is shitty and isn't showing you things properly

[acoustic marsh]

Agreed

[plush pelican]

"oder" = or

The only time I can think of that it doesn't mean "or", is when used at the end of a sentence

Du liebst Hunde, oder?
You love dogs, right?

How can one word mean so many different things?

Have you ever looked up how many meanings "get" has in English?

[acoustic marsh]

Yeah that makes sense to me

[acoustic marsh]

Honestly no. I knew that would be hard just though an app built to teach would explain things haha

[plush pelican]

He went to the shop to get some milk.
We don't get much snow (= it does not often snow) here.
We hadn't even got as far as London when the car broke down.
It got to Thursday and she still hadn't heard any news.
He gets really upset if you mention his baldness.
She had to get the kids ready for school.

[plush pelican]

Duolingo is not designed to teach

[acoustic marsh]

Starting to realise that

[plush pelican]

Duolingo is designed to trap you in the app and keep you paying for a subscription, because if you make too much progress, you'll stop paying for the app

Check the pinned google doc in #resources for better things

[acoustic marsh]

I luckily haven't payed for anything anything so won't loose anything

[acoustic marsh]

I will definitely do that now. Thanks for the help 🙂

[tiny scaffold]

Is there a standard way to say "look up" or "look down" at smth? Purely directional, not like to be condescending or to be motivated by someone

Nach oben/unten schauen/blicken?

For example, "I look down at my fingers"
Translator gives "ich blicke auf meine Finger (hinunter)"

The problem is every time I think of a sentence involving this concept, the translators give different kinds of answers every time and it never seems to be specific

[warm robin]

In general, the direct object is in the accusitive. The indirect object is in the dative. Not always, but this is a rule of thumb. The other situation is prepositions: accusitive is motion into the preposition's zone, while dative is about remaining in the preposition's zone.

[plain umbra]

the direct object is in the accusitive. The indirect object is in the dative.
This rule applies to verbs with 2 objects only.
The other situation is prepositions: accusitive is motion into the preposition's zone, while dative is about remaining in the preposition's zone.
This applies to two-way prepositions only.

And just to avoid confusion: those things are already covered by the FAQ I posted in answer to that same post.

[acoustic marsh]

I'm trying to make flashcards and I want to add bist du verdickt (this spotify learning German lessons ses is are you ready) but when I put it in only bist du shows up and when I try and get the sentence are you ready I get sind Sie bereit from Google translate. Is Google translate playing up or am I missing something?

[warm robin]

You can't get AIs to write the way you want.

Be it Google Translate, DeepL, ChatGPT or anything. (Well, you probably can massage ChatGPT into it but there's a much higher risk of hallucinations).

"Sind Sie bereit" DOES mean "are you ready", in a rather direct way.

According to my dictionary, verdicken == "To Thicken"

Did you misspell the word you were trying to use?

[acoustic marsh]

So the du bist verdickt is right?

[warm robin]

"Are you thickened" ??

Ummmm, probably not. Unless you were asking a cake batter? Lol

[acoustic marsh]

The guy ses du bist Würdigt if that's right

[warm robin]

"Bist du .... " is the informal way of asking someone (ie: friends, family).

[acoustic marsh]

Lmao 🤣

[warm robin]

Dictionary says that's closer to "recognized".

maybe even "are worthy".

[acoustic marsh]

It's this if it helps

[willow socket]

bist du fertig.

literally: are you finished.

[acoustic marsh]

The guy said its are ready lol

[willow socket]

it also means that

[acoustic marsh]

Oh got yeah

[willow socket]

but 'bist du bereit?' is also 'are you ready'

[acoustic marsh]

Is that like an informal version?

[willow socket]

no, both are informal

[acoustic marsh]

Ok thank you. This is definitely harder then I thought but am gonna keep pushing. Thank you for your help

[tiny scaffold]

@plush pelican any ideas?

[plush pelican]

Idk, I'm bad at the physical movement vocab

[tiny scaffold]

[balmy axle]

auf etwas hinauf schauen
auf etwas rauf schauen
tho that might be very austrian idk tbh
"ich schau rauf auf das flugzeug"

nach unten schauen
runter schauen
"ich schau runter auf den hamster"

[tiny scaffold]

lol and you just gave something that violet didn't give. i'm so confused by literally everyone saying different things. 2 natives and 2 translators

lolo help me pls

[willow socket]

'herab' is used when describing looking down at something from a higher point. So, for example, 'herabblicken'.
https://www.dwds.de/wb/herab
But it can definitely have the sense of looking down at something as in condescending. (von oben herab)

hinunterschauen is another normal way.
nach unten schauen is literally looking down at the ground, as if you were shy.

[balmy axle]

tho i gotta add that “schauen” feels informal

and blicken feels like i’m reading a fucking like

poem or something

[willow socket]

so really good 😄 /s

[balmy axle]

😍

and sehen feels like it can’t really be

used in that way

but that might be austria core

[tiny scaffold]

herab = from higher looking down
hinab = from lower... looking... where? 😂

sorry i've never been good at the hinaus/heraus stuff

[willow socket]

herab is from above to below (you are below)
hinab is from above to below (you are above)

[tiny scaffold]

and ''hinauf/herauf'' is the same but from below to above?

[willow socket]

yes I think so

[tiny scaffold]

you don't have a trick for memorizing these, do you?

like the aforementioned hinaus/hinab and heraus/herab when it comes to movement on the ground

[willow socket]

I just use the "rules", I think.
I know 'auf' is associated with upwards, and 'ab' with downwards.
hin and her are usually away from and towards the speaker, respectively

[tiny scaffold]

you're using ''rauf/runter'' as adverbs right? not actual verbs? you're using them to show the direction you're looking at, so i can say ''ich schaue runter auf meine Finger''?

[balmy axle]

yeah

[tiny scaffold]

OK THAT'S EASY THANKS WYDI LMAO

all this hin/her business makes felix cry

[balmy axle]

😍 😍

[tiny scaffold]

kannste mir Beispiele mit ''nach unten/oben schauen'' geben?

[balmy axle]

mmmmm

hm

hold on 😭

[tiny scaffold]

[balmy axle]

now that i think about it
i really dont use nach unten/oben schauen
it's always rauf or runter

"ich schaue nach unten" would be a statement on its own

like

"wohin schaust du grad?"
"ich schau nach unten"

tbh when i hear the sentence "ich schau nach unten" i dont think of looking in a direction at all

for example if my dad and i are searching the house for something i lodt

and i'm going into the basement to search for that item

[tiny scaffold]

ebenfalls. ich habs mir gedacht dass diese Sätze nur beschreiben was man im Moment macht

[balmy axle]

then i'll say "ich schau nach unten" because the basement is below

[tiny scaffold]

but the ''runter/rauf'' is exactly what i needed

[balmy axle]

happy to see that i helped someone with grammar 😭 😭

shit does not happen all that often lmao

[tiny scaffold]

und du bist kein Muttersprachler!

[balmy axle]

😌 😌

bin ja grün

[tiny scaffold]

''nach unten'' = down below
''nach oben'' = up above

diese Sätze können auch im Englischen allein stehen

sie erfordern keine zusätzlichen Informationen

[balmy axle]

yeah

[jade hawk]

Wie oft wird auf deutsch Bilder pro Sekunde/BpS statt einfach Frames per second/fps? verwendet? Besonders im Zockenzusammehang? Und all die anderen Forme, wie Bilder je Sekunde oder Bildrahmen pro Sekunde?

[plush pelican]

Soweit ich weiß, werden englische Begriffe im Bereich Computern und vor allem im Bereich Videospiele sehr sehr oft verwendet.

[jade hawk]

Die Frage ist ob ich beim Nutzen von "Bilder pro Sekunde" wie ein Spinner klingen würde

In meiner Muttersprache wird frames per second viel häufiger gesehen als die eigentliche Übersetzung davon, aber wenn man die Übersetzung verwendet, klingt das immer noch einigermaßen richtig

[plush pelican]

Ich würde immer FPS sagen. Aber mal sehen, was Muttersprachler dazu sagen

[red kelp]

Ganz ehrlich: Würdest du.

FPS ist auch im Deutschen die gängige Bezeichnung.

[plush pelican]

Bist du Muttersprachlerin?

[floral dragon]

Was ist die frage genau? Ob man im deutschen FPS sagt?

[plush pelican]

Du kannst ruhig nach oben scrollen 😛

[red kelp]

Nein, aber ich habe von 2013 - 2019 in Deutschland gelebt und habe die deutsche Staatsbürgerschaft. Ich spreche fließend Deutsch. 🤓

[plush pelican]

Was war deine Methode, Deutsch zu lernen? Wie übst du es heutzutage?

[floral dragon]

Ich würd auch FPS oder Bilder pro Sekunde sagen.

[plush pelican]

Bist du Muttersprachler? Deiner Rolle nach wärst du ein Anfänger beim Deutschlernen

[floral dragon]

Bin Muttersprachler

[red kelp]

Ich habe ab 2012 einen Deutschkurs besucht, bin dann in Deutschland zur Schule gegangen und habe dort auch mein Abitur gemacht. Meine Voraussetzungen waren also ganz andere als die meisten hier auf Discord haben.

Was mir aber sehr geholfen hat, war Pokemon auf Deutsch zu spielen 😆

[plush pelican]

Wieso hast du dann die Rolle von A1/A2 Niveau?

[floral dragon]

Keineahnung

[plush pelican]

Stimmt, du bist also schon zur Hälfte wie eine Muttersprachlerin

[red kelp]

Heutzutage übe ich es eigentlich gar nicht mehr. Ich bin in Kontakt mit deutschsprachigen Freunden, konsumiere deutsche Medien und verbringe jedes Jahr ein paar Wochen in Deutschland. Meine Eltern und mein Zwillingsbruder leben auch noch immer in Deutschland.

[plush pelican]

Sagst du wirklich Bilder pro Sekunde?

[red kelp]

Jeder Deutsche weiß, was mit "Bilder pro Sekunde" gemeint ist, aber die gängige Bezeichnung ist doch FPS.

[floral dragon]

Ich sag zu freunden fps, aber zu älteren würde ich denke ich aber bilder pro sekunde sagen

[plush pelican]

Wie viel älter? 👴

[floral dragon]

Boah, kann ich konkret nicht sagen. Wenn ichs gefühl hab die person kennt sich mit technik nicht so aus

[floral dragon]

Hast du familie aus deutschland?

Also wurzeln

[red kelp]

Einen deutschen Ur-Opa, der vor den Nazis geflohen ist, ansonsten stammt aber meine gesamte Family aus (Umkreis) Stockholm

[plush pelican]

Bodenständiger Opi 👴

[red kelp]

Habe ihn leider nie wirklich kennengelernt. Er ist gestorben als ich 9 Jahre alt war.
Heute würde mich seine Geschichte sehr interessieren.

Er war aktiver SPD Politiker, deswegen ist er geflohen

[plush pelican]

Krass

[floral dragon]

Wie reist du hin und her? Ist es teuer nach schweden zu reisen?

Oder gibts methoden die billig sind

[red kelp]

Ich bin nur im Sommer mal in Deutschland. Dann fliege ich. Meine Familie in Deutschland wohnt in Kassel, nicht sehr weit entfernt vom Flughafen in Frankfurt.

Man kann natürlich auch mit dem Zug fahren, aber leider ist es deutlich teurer als zu fliegen.

[floral dragon]

Ah ok

[vocal elbow]

Hallo
Since I've been learning german again I've been thinking, I now know I am nonbinary so I was wondering, is there a german equivalent of they/them/ gender neutral people terms? Just wanna know cause I might use the space discord has for pronouns to add them if that's an option

[plush pelican]

There are multiple such terms, but none of them have wide acceptance/use

Basically, the Germans haven't 1) decided on which one to use, 2) even necessarily agreed that it's necessary in the first place

[civic trout]

the languate will basically collapased I think

[viral ibex]

"ich war der Einzige in der ganzen Platte" what is Platte here referring to?

[neat badge]

so apparantly i googled it and in the ddr times a Wohnhaus was called Platte those USSR block housing i assume

Plattenbau is the full form

[rustic dock]

yes

[viral ibex]

thank you!

[onyx hearth]

What shows on netflix are good for learning German?

[warm robin]

Ah yes. The 100% accurate Viking anime.

[solemn lark]

ah swedish

[burnt juniper]

I've been looking for some books or reading materials in German suitable for a2/b1. Any ideas?

[sharp tiger]

graded readers

[tulip bramble]

Farmland arc ist the best.

[plush pelican]

Here is more B1/B2: https://www.amazon.com/Learning-German-through-Storytelling-Baumgartner-ebook/dp/B01LB6VTLK
Here is more A1/A2: https://www.amazon.com/Learn-German-Stories-Collectors-Vocabulary-ebook/dp/B00W9L9F9A

I suggest buying the kindle version, makes it a relatively reasonable price

[strong robin]

ask to ai

[jade hawk]

Funktioniert Holy Grail im übertragenen Zusammenhang auch in Deutsch? Darf ich sagen, dass etwas der Heiliger Gral von etwas ist? Eine großartige Leistung?

[wispy yarrow]

Dm me

[warm robin]

Wow. I don't think A2 or even B1 could follow that movie.

[tulip bramble]

I think there is nothing wrong with submitting it here, I've done it many times here or in #questions.

[inland narwhal]

I'm currous, is the vintage dress community popular in Germany? or Austria? I know that in the UK, you can find lots of people who love to dress like its 1870 or even 1905, but from what I know about Germany, they're very forward thinking and are more set towards progress than nostalgia. I've seen youtube channels like VintageBursch but other than that, I haven't seen much of a vintage dress community despite my internet algorithms recomending me both english/american vintage content, and some german popular content.

[night dagger]

We have a lot of Flohmärkte and second hand shops in Berlin, which have „vintage“ clothing but most are not meaning clothing dating back to 1905

[plush pelican]

In meinem ausm Englischen übersetzten Roman gibt's eine Fußnote.

Ob er uns verfolgen wird oder nicht, kann ich nicht einschätzen – vielleicht gibt er sich mit seinem Coup zufrieden.122

122 Dafür besteht eine fette Chance. Man muss sich den Kerl nur ansehen, um zu wissen, dass er einen Groll hegt wie ein altes Fischerweib.

Wird "fette Chance" auf Deutsch so benutzt, um zu zeigen, dass die Wahrscheinlichkeit sehr gering ist? Oder ist das eine zu wortwörtliche Übersetzung aus dem Englischen?

[rustic dock]

andersrum

die chance ist sehr hoch

[plush pelican]

Dann ist es ein Übersetzungsfehler, wie ich vermutete

[rustic dock]

or well

it’s not necessarily about the likelihood

my bad

it’s moreso that the outcome is very favorable

big chance you know

[plush pelican]

It's very likely that he will be satisfied with his coup and not pursue them?

Because that's the opposite of what it should say

[rustic dock]

at least that's how i understand it yeah

[fervent kernel]

Ok

[rustic dock]

it does kind of contradict the sentence right after

it is kinda odd

[plush pelican]

Also, a few paragraphs later, the protagonist literally says to one of her henchmen, "They're probably going to follow us" and then later on, they are followed.

[plush pelican]

Wie oft liest du deutsche Übersetzungen aus dem Englischen? Gibt's oft solche Fehler?

[rustic dock]

i rarely read any enlgish literature at all sry =/

i wouldn't know

the few couple of works that i have read, i read in english

i also mostly read works of people that are long dead 😭

[plush pelican]

"literature" wäre übertrieben, ich meine z.B. Fantasy-Romane, 😄

Liest du Dinge, die ins Deutsche übersetzt wurden?

[rustic dock]

sowas lese ich sogut wie gar nicht

ich habe einige shadowrun-romane gelesen und tolkiens werke, abseits davon sogut wie nichts derlei

[rustic dock]

ja

vor allem klassiker der weltliteratur

[plush pelican]

Wie gut werden sie dann übersetzt? Gibt's da ähnliche Fehler? Oder eher nicht?

"wo" is used in some dialects to mean "that"

The relative pronoun

This is much like in English, some dialects use "what" instead of "that":

That's the man, what attacked me.

But I'm no expert on Austrian or Bavarian dialect; try #dialects

[rustic dock]

eher nicht

[plush pelican]

Ihnen werden wohl beim Übersetzen mehr Aufmerksamkeit geschenkt?

[rustic dock]

wurden, vermutlich

[rustic dock]

that particular line didn't have wo at all, i think he just said "ich schaue die wand an"

but "an" just sounds like o or õ

[plush pelican]

You probably need to go back to the thing where you pick out which channels you're interested in and select it so it will show up

[worn stump]

I would like to invite someone from Germany to play with us. In case he refuses, can I say [Kommst du nicht mal für eine Runde mit uns, selbst wenn ich es auf Deutsch sage?]Does it sound friendly and natural?

[willow socket]

sounds nice to me 🙂

[worn stump]

Thanks a lot! If you would 've played if I 'd told you, then I will go ahead and use it.

[humble remnant]

got a bit of a wild question. in the note on kant and fichte. how is the word idealism functioning, is it being attributed to kant or all of the figures. is he saying that the post kantians developed idealism further or that they didnt

Lagrange umgekehrt schliesst sich direkt an Taylor's Thenrem an, natürlich von einem Standpunkt, wo einerseits die Nachfolger der Newton-Leibnizschen Epoche ihm bereits die korrigierte Jusgabe des x1 - x = dx geliefert, also auch y1 - y = f(x+h) - f(x), er andrerseits grade in der Algebraisierung der Taylorschen Formel seine eigne Theorie der «abgeleiteten» Funktionen produzierte. [So schloss sich Fichte an Kant, Schelling an Fichte, Hegel an Schelling an, ohne dass weder Fichte, Schelling, Hegel die allgemeine Grundlage Kants, i.e. den Idealismus überhaupt untersucht hätten; die hätten ihn sonst nicht fortentwickeln können].

[plush pelican]

😵‍💫

What is a "Thenrem"? Was that really the word?

Or is there some bad OCR scanning and it should read "Theorem"?

[humble remnant]

theorem. you can ignore that stuff, i just gave it for context. yeah bad scan

[plush pelican]

It looks like they're saying Fichte aligned with Kant, Schelling aligned with Fichte, etc, forming a chain, without any of them having actually investigated Idealism; they otherwise wouldn't have been able to develop it further.

(Implying that they did in fact develop it further, and could only do so precisely because they hadn't investigated it. 🤔 )

[humble remnant]

official english translation for reference. you see my confusion?

[In just such a manner Fichte followed Kant, Schelling Fichte, and Hegel Schelling, and neither Fichte nor Schelling nor Hegel investigated the general foundation of Kant, of idealism in general: for otherwise they would not have been able to develop it further].

[plush pelican]

It sounds like the idealism itself contains contradictions; if they'd known how problematic it was, they'd never have tried to further develop it

[regal wave]

sie = die! 😮 (du wolltest es so!)

[regal wave]

Nicht über Deutsch, aber das ist so ein geiler Hot Take 😄

[rustic dock]

zu deutsch „ein heißer nimm“ (vertrau)

[plush pelican]

Meinst du, dass "sie" da eigentlich falsch ist, oder einfach nicht so gebräuchlich wie "die"?

[cunning anvil]

hallo,wie kann ich ein sprachenruf machen?

[solid charm]

Very silly question, but I noticed when writing notes and translations for my german class that often E comes before I instead of often in English I comes before E, am I noticing something or is it just a odd coincidence?

[near folio]

Are you referring to the rule of thumb for spelling with "I before E" in English or how the two letters are pronounced together? In German, "ei" moreso indicates how to pronounce part of the word, in IPA that would be [aɪ̯] (I think). As far as I can recall, in English that is usually spelt with "ie" so you are noticing a pattern that the same sound is reversed in spelling in German.

[plush pelican]

Even in English, the rule "I before E except after C" actually doesn't work as a rule, there are more exceptions to the rule than there are words that follow the rule

[solid charm]

Yes, that was what I was attempting to ask, I was very tired.

[solid charm]

English is certainly a language, but yes I’m aware of that, it was quite late and I just noticed something.

Thank you both kindly!

[viral ibex]

maybe a silly question but im not sure how to look this up on the internet, why is it like "ihr liebeN / ihr süßeN" ? why is it not the standard plural ending, where is the ending -n coming from? does ihr work the same way as "die, keine" and such? those are intuitive because they end in "e" so this one makes me a little unsure :D

[viral jolt]

actually a really good question

my instinct was to say that's just how it is without a logical reason. but i did some googling to be sure. and apparently that is the only explanation 💀

du Süße/Süßer, ihr Süßen. that's just how u refer to people

[viral ibex]

haha perfect xD so ihr as a plural you pronoun always declines adjectives with the -n ending independent of the rest of the phrase i guess? thanks a lot Shaf

[viral jolt]

basically. you're welcome

[viral jolt]

um, if the adjective is refering to something in plural

which

ihr actually always does

so yes 🤔

[jade hawk]

Both are correct but it's confusing. Check the message to which I'm replying

By the way, this grammar aspect is quite niche. I've only ever found one source that talks about this. There's nothing else about it, not even in Hammer's

[viral ibex]

oh okay... that's quite peculiar xD

[jade hawk]

The closest thing to this that I got is ihr beide and ihr beiden. Both options are possible, I don't think beide is an adjective though

[viral ibex]

that there's not many sources that explain why both would be okay is even weirder, but still many thanks! really helpful to know

[warm robin]

"leid" means sad. "lied" means song. Going from English -> German means being dyslexic for months (years????) as our English eyes are unable to see the difference.

[willow socket]

leid means regret/or as it's usually used, to express apology

[warm robin]

"leid" feels like the word "Unfortunately" in English. Ex: Unfortunately I couldn't contact the teacher.

Or maybe sadly.

It's not a perfect match but yeah, it's seemingly the default "things aren't going as expected" word.

But yeah, I did have a roleplay with my teacher where I said "Es tut mir lied..." and he's like STOP STOP STOP....

Start over.

Lol

Both writing and speaking, I mess up the ei vs ie.

[onyx zealot]

? are you thinking of "leider"?
leider konnte ich den Lehrer nicht kontaktieren

that is a direct translation of "unfortunately" iirc unlike "leid"

[rapid sequoia]

nzzy is right, leid is an adjective means „(something) that causes regret or suffering“, and is always used with either sein (ich bin es leid, das immer zu hören) or tun (das tut mir leid). „leider“ is an adverb that is almost one to one with unfortunately (nzzy's example is good). Here's the duden entry for leid with more examples: https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/leid

[solid charm]

Oh thank you!

[plush pelican]

Does German have a word for "regret" as a noun, as in, "I have two regrets in my life." ?

Do you just use a nominalized form of the verb, das Bedauern? Kann man zwei "Bedauern" haben?

[latent wadi]

All I can see is die Reue but of course more literarily

[jade hawk]

Reue's more like a feeling and can be used in singular only, so closer to remorse

[willow socket]

also don't post the same thing in multiple channels

[stark geyser]

😅 i didn't know witch channel is the correct one

[willow socket]

both #questions and #questions-2 are for questions about german language and grammar. There's just two in case a discussion is ongoing in one and someone wants to ask a question without their message "drowning". Questions about study, ausbildung, visa, life in Germany, etc belong in #1033125270217048246

[stark geyser]

ah ok thanks a lot for the info

[near folio]

Meine Frau (Muttersprachlerin) übersetzt den Satz so: "Ich habe zwei Dinge, die ich bedauere". Also anscheinend nicht oder zumindest fühlt es sich mit dem Verb natürlicher an.

Wenn ich nach Varianten von "two regrets" (z.B. "a number of regrets") in linguee.de suche, finde ich immer, dass das Verb bevorzugt wird und den Plural in ein anderes Wort umgewandelt wird:

"I have many regrets in life ... " --> "Ich bedauere vieles in meinem Leben"
"I do have a number of regrets" --> "Dennoch habe ich einiges zu bedauern"

[gusty silo]

jau, gibt kein sinniges Nomen dafür

no word for like one item of regreting or a regretable action that works there, it's always construed as the verb plus a generic word like Ding or Sache

[dusky bough]

Hallo zusammen, bin ich hier in der richtigen Gruppe?

[delicate tiger]

Kann ich dir nicht sagen.

[late sentinel]

Hello all,
I want to get an advice about the university as I need to change from University A to B. For the university A, I already paid the fees and joined the Visa waiting list but now I got admission in university B which is free. Private to public uni in short. So, I should change the university after coming to Germany or should do from home country cuz if I do from home country then I need to start from again all the process and to just get the visa, there is already 7-8 months wait just for appointment. So, what should I do now here? Pls help me like can we do uni change after coming here in Germany or should I start the whole process again and wait for another 7-8 months.

[delicate tiger]

#1033125270217048246 , not sure if anyone knows this specific details

[late sentinel]

Oks

[balmy dune]

Hallo zusammen, ich bin neu in der Gruppe und kann nicht auf voice channels 🤷🏽‍♂️

[half cipher]

Hi guys how you doing?

[left mango]

Hallo alles gut bei euch ?

Ich wünsche einen sprachpartner

[earnest frost]

Hallo, Welche Quellen nutzen Sie zum Lesen ?
(B1 , A2+)

[wet kayak]

auf dem niveau b1 sollte es kein großes problem sein normale nachrichten zu lesen

wenn du etwas einfacher willst gibt's auch die website nachrichtenleicht @earnest frost

als anfänger habe ich auch die app todaii german benutzt

die ist auch mit artikeln aber hat eine größere wahl

[earnest frost]

Danke schön

[half cipher]

Hallo

Guten morgen

[fervent kernel]

Hallo Guten morgen

I dont know german
Just started studying german
I want to connect with german speakers to learn it fast

[trail hazel]

uben gesprach auf deutsch

[clever dust]

(...) denn es gibt ja viele Sätze im Deutschen, wo beides gleichzeitig drin vorkommt.
what is the -en on the noun Deutsch doing here?

[gusty silo]

nominalised adjective, das Deutsche, im Deutschen

ive not thought about this before, but i suppose languages inflect as nominalised adjectives when used with an article, but do not when not used with an article

i can only imagine this is due to the fact that Deutsch on its own is a nominalisation of the adverb in origin

[clever dust]

how so?

[cosmic lake]

What's the meaning from word "bin"

bin = am?

[gusty silo]

well the adverbial form is endingless and with words denoting languages it's very frequent. so i imagine this odd inflection pattern of the nominalised forms of languages is basically a mixed paradigm of the nominalised adverb and the nominalised adjective, where the former has intruded and displaced all the forms except for those used with definite article

[gusty silo]

yeah it's the form of to be used for the first person, I

[cosmic lake]

Like if i wanna say I'm thirsty in german

• ich bin durstig?

Or bin used in specific word only

[gusty silo]

👍

[clever dust]

but are you saying that Deutsch (n.) is a nominal form of an adverb deutsch?

[gusty silo]

well yeah. the adverbial use of the adjective and the use as a noun are basically identical half the time and spelling norms as capitalised in some uses but not others are a little bit arbitrary

im not saying the adverb is something really different from the adjective, to be clear

that difference is basically just syntactic i guess

[clever dust]

so does this generalise to [and only to specifically] other language names?

[gusty silo]

language names in -isch yes

"new"/"not formally integrated" language names like Mandarin or Hindi or the like don't have any adjective-like inflection

[clever dust]

right makes sense

[gusty silo]

but Englisch, mein Englisch, auf Englisch but das Englisch__e__, im Englisch__en__ etc.

🤔 i guess it's also only if the article precedes directly? das schlechte Englisch meines Freundes doesnt take an ending on Englisch

[clever dust]

ich <--- ❤️ ---> deutsch

[gusty silo]

🙃

[clever dust]

is finden a verb for which the Präteritum is common in speech

[gusty silo]

it's definitely around, i feel like in my life fand seems to be especially common in the sense of an opinion or impression (Ich fand den Film gut), may be not quite as common in the literal sense

[clever dust]

yeah youre right thats the context i saw it in

though tbf how often do you literally find things

[late spade]

Hi

[gusty silo]

hah, nice

[gusty silo]

hello hello!

[warm robin]

In my class, it's "Ich habe Durst"

It seems like Germans have different sentence constructions for different concepts. Some are shared however.

[cosmic lake]

Aint
habe = have?

[warm robin]

Ich bin Dragontamer. / I am Dragontamer is correct in both languages.

[warm robin]

Yes. But Durst and Hunger are things you have, not things that you "are".

[jade hawk]

Both Ich bin hungrig/durstig and Ich habe Hunger/Durst work

[cosmic lake]

Ohh
How i can learn this thing like what it called
Its type of grammar or smth?

[warm robin]

Huh. Maybe my textbook focuses on the one unusual to us English speakers?

[warm robin]

This is vocab. Just something you have to memorize.

Like ski fahren.

Ski-driving, lol

[jade hawk]

It focuses on the more common variant

[quasi mulch]

learned this yesterday

So weird that Ski is pronounced as "Schi"

well, it can also be written that way

but still, that's very komisch

[gusty silo]

it's just norwegian

in norwegian, sk before a vowel like i is pronounced like german sch

we kept the spelling and the pronunciation, english kept the spelling but changed the pronunciation to native reading sensibilities

[gusty silo]

(this is of course still irregular in german in the end, but this is the explanation for why it is that way)

[delicate tiger]

"Ski" is more common in Germany, "Schi" more common in Austria - one of those regional things

[plush pelican]

The Austrian spelling makes more sense!

[white sentinel]

wann sollte ich Semikolons statt Kommas anwenden bei Aufzählungen?

[gusty silo]

it's never necessary, it's always optional and in practice it's pretty rare in german

https://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/rechtschreibregeln/semikolon here you can read what the Duden says about the uses of the Semikolon

it amounts to 'you can place a semicolon if you think it helps the reader understand the relation/structure of listed elements better' but it's entirely optional and i can't say i see it much at all

[plush pelican]

What about if one or more of the listed elements contains commas?

Wir haben Paris, Frankreich, Rom, Italien, Wien, Österreich und Darmstadt, Deutschland besucht.

[gusty silo]

its not necessary

[plush pelican]

https://giphy.com/gifs/newtral-problems-maths-daro-eme-hache-xFg0oNtbCCc4Epblyy

[gusty silo]

it would look more jarring to write a sentence with a semicolon there to me because its just so rare

also "CITY, COUNTRY" i would consider to be an anglicism

americanism specifically

its not really a phraseological unit people naturally say in german (of course you can make a table formatted like that i guess, but i find it distinctly unusual)

[plush pelican]

Ignoring the specific example, you all must have times when the elements in a list contain commas

and you all simply...don't deal with that?

[gusty silo]

as the duden link observes, one may do that

but it is not obligatory

the semicolon is not a feature of prestigeous formal writing in german in my experience either

it's nigh absent from german spelling

[verbal pilot]

why the room is lock out

[delicate tiger]

faq limited permissions

[stoic mauve]

How to join Voice Chat

Please read the [Roles section](#getting-started message) in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more!

[rustic dock]

it is funny though

i heard an american say "Paris, France" in a sentence before, not just written

to me it's hilarious to specify you mean the paris of france as if that's not immediately clear, but it's also said as almost one word

[hybrid vine]

"Am Ende um Geld zu verdienen, habe ich bei einem Dönerladen gearbeitet. " ist dieser Satz richtig?

[rustic dock]

with another comma after Ende it would be, but i think i would structure it like „Am Ende habe ich bei einem Dönerladen gearbeitet um Geld zu verdienen“ or „Am Ende habe ich, um Geld zu verdienen, bei einem Dönerladen gearbeitet“

but all 3 are possible

[plush pelican]

In the New World, a lot of cities are named after cities from the Old World.

The US has more than 20 cities named "Paris", for example

[rustic dock]

yes but when you say paris nobody thinks you mean paris, tennessee (population: 41+/-2) sooner than they assume paris, the city everyone in the world knows

lmao

you gotta admit it’s odd zo stress that if the person, at the time of saying it, isn’t in the vicinity of any of the american towns

especially because they’re never really big, the only one i can think of is new york but it has that „new“ in front of it

[plush pelican]

What about cities that aren't as known?

like, if we're talking "Bishkek", you won't know off the bat which country that's in

[rustic dock]

there it makes a little more sense but if we’re still talking about the initial topic, then i’d say it sounds much better to use the preposition „in“ + the country’s name

[rustic dock]

yes

but that’s happenstance lmao

i get what you’re saying though

[plush pelican]

Like, "Bishkek in Kyrgyzstan"?

[rustic dock]

yeah

idk about english though, that’s how i would do it in german if i were to do that

saying „die Stadt Bishkek, Kirgisistan“ would just sound off

it sounds like „Kirgisistan“ is part of the name

but even written it just looks like an americanism

if you really wanted to write it like that, i think it’d be way less weird to just put Kirgisistan in brackets

[regal wave]

One vote for "Stadt in Land"

(Also, I am a day too late to the semicolon discussion : / - was das angeht aber: man sollte das Semikolon außerhalb wissenschaftlichen Schreibens vermeiden.)

[hoary iron]

Question: so according to Google translate, (great start, I know /sar)
kartoffelpuffer = potato pancake
Kartoffel = potato
Aber “pancake” ist Pfannkuchen/Eierkuchen??
does anybody know why this is? I’m really curious, myself

[nimble cipher]

The word for pancake depends on the region of Germany. You can more or less think about a Kartoffelpuffer being a pancake made out of grated potatoes.
The standard word for pancake is Pfannkuchen but in the region I'm from Pfannkuchen actually means a totally different food (called Berliner in most parts) and pancake translates to Eierkuchen.

[hoary iron]

Danke schön!!

[plain umbra]

Instead of Google Translate, I recommend to learn to use a dictionary.

faq dict

[stoic mauve]

What does this word mean?

The best way to understand the meaning of a word is to use a dictionary. Monolingual dictionaries such as dwds.de, de.wiktionary.org and duden.de will often provide the most accurate definitions and examples for a word. If you are not yet comfortable with using a monolingual dictionary, bilingual dictionaries are also an option (dict.cc, dict.leo.org, pons.com).

The key here is to empower yourself to find the answer on your own. Using the many examples provided in dictionaries like DWDS, Wiki and Duden can help you confidently understand the word, and how to use it. If you still have trouble; don't worry! You can use #questions, #questions-2 or the #942470380692590632 to ask someone for further clarification.

[plain umbra]

Here are some options.

But food names can be slightly tricky since they can vary a lot by region.

[white sentinel]

"Vielleicht wird [mir] ein Spaziergang [mir] guttun."

Macht es in Sätzen wie diesem aus, wo das Akkusativ- oder Dativ-Pronomen hingeht?

[jade hawk]

Am Besten vorm Nomen. Sieh mal: #questions message

[white sentinel]

OK, danke!

[clever dust]

so i often hear this phrase people use to imply "move out of the way" or something similar but im not sure what it is, what are possible phrases/words it could be?

[steel escarp]

what are "sind," "in," and "geraten" doing in this sentence?

[plain umbra]

in Vergessenheit geraten = to fade into obscurity

The "sind" is just for making it Perfekt tense.

[plush pelican]

hat...gespielt
sind...gegangen

sind...geraten

both "haben" and "sein" can help form the Perfekt past tense, it depends on the verb which one is used

"geraten" uses "sein"

[solemn bloom]

Was sind die richtigen Präpositionen, wenn man zwischen zwei Sprachen übersetzt?

Ich übersetze vom Englischen ins Deutsche?

...aus dem Englischen ins Deutsche?

[solemn bloom]

ANNNTTOWOOROROTE MIIRRRR

!

[solemn bloom]

please answwer my question thanks, my life depends on htis

[jade hawk]

both are correct

[sinful vale]

was ist der Unterschied zwischen wahrscheinlich und vielleicht ?

ChatGPT hat gesagt, der Unterscheid ist die Sicherheit. Man benutzt "wahrscheinlich", wenn man sicherer ist als "vielleicht". Aber ist das richtig?
Kann jemand ein paar Beispiel sagen?

[drowsy wigeon]

Wahrscheinlich - probably, vielleicht - maybe. Verwendung sind Ähnlich zu Englisch. Deshalb hat gpt Recht gesagt

[eager linden]

Das klingt nach Bullshit ehrlich gesagt. (ChatGPT ist keine gute Quelle mMn, um Deutsch zu lernen. Wenn du privat schon LLMs nutzt, nutze bitte immer verifizierte Quellen bzw. verlange danach!)
"Vielleicht" ist mMn umgangssprachlicher. Die beiden Begriffe drücken in der Umgangssprache oft das gleiche aus.
"Wahrscheinlich" kannst du halt auch etwas rigider bzw. wissenschaftlicher verwenden, wenn du lediglich aussagen willst, dass ein Ereignis A wahrscheinlich ist.
"Es ist wahrscheinlich, dass A eintritt."
"Dass X passiert ist genauso wahrscheinlich, dass Y passiert."

Der Begriff "wahrscheinlich" drückt also eine quantitative Unsicherheit aus.
"Vielleicht" ist der umgangssprachliche Begriff dafür

[delicate tiger]

Im allgemeinen hast du Recht wenn es um ChatGPT und Fakten geht, aber in diesem Fall stimmt es. "Morgen wird es vielleicht regnen." ist weniger sicher als "Morgen wird es wahrscheinlich regnen."

[sinful vale]

Hab ich verstanden. Danke euch.

[lofty comet]

Hallo Kumpels Grüße!
Ich wollte man fragen, ob es tatsächlich einen Unterschied zwischen beiden Sätzen gibt:
1.Das Ziel ist es, für die Bahn, auf die die Deutschen noch stolz sein können, aufzubauen.

2.Das Ziel ist es, für die Bahn, darauf die Deutschen noch stolz sein können, aufzubauen.

Sind die Verwendungen von " auf die" oder " darauf" richtig?

[nova sparrow]

Die Verwendung von auf die ist hier zwar richtig, aber die Formulierung 'für eine Bahn' passt gar nicht: Das Ziel ist es, eine Bahn, auf die die D....
hth 🤔

[lofty comet]

Oh 😯 danke. Hab nicht bemerkt!

[lofty comet]

Dankeschön! Passt die Verwendung von "darauf ”nämlich im solchen Fall gar nicht?

Ich erinnere mich daran, dass ich irgendein Grammatikbuch gelesen habe, das mir erzählt, dass es möglich ist , solche Vewendung zu nutzen. Aber sowieso haben Sie mir drauf verwiesen, dass es nicht passt. lass es vorbei

[grim elbow]

@lofty comet verwechselst du vll grad "darauf" mit "worauf"?

[lofty comet]

Oh. Ich habe es vergessen

😇

[lofty comet]

Gibt es aber Unterschied?

Mein Gott

[grim elbow]

hä?

[lofty comet]

Ich habe diese Kenntnisse vergessen und bin dafür erschüttert. Sowieso ist mein Problem gelöst. Danke für eure Hilfe

💀

[teal cliff]

davon

Sowieso macht in diesem Kontext wenig Sinn iwi

[nova sparrow]

imho: bin darüber erschüttert 🤔
und mit richtiger Wortstellung passt auch sowieso
Mein Problem ist sowieso gelöst. 🙇‍♂️
@lofty comet

[solemn bloom]

ChatGPT ist meine einzige Quelle, wie kann ich mein Deutsch verbessern

[teal cliff]

Warum darüber

🤔

[delicate tiger]

Guck mal in #resources und auch das Google-Doc da.

[delicate tiger]

Ich bin über seinen Tod erschüttert.
Ich bin von seinem Tod erschüttert.
Geht mMn beides

[solemn bloom]

ich will das nicht

[nova sparrow]

faq beginner

[stoic mauve]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

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[tawny dove]

💯

[deft galleon]

How do you say "Sapphire #support is that way"? In german

[delicate tiger]

"Sapphire-Support gibt es hier: <link>"

[gusty silo]

the 'is that way' phrase when giving directions is 'ist da entlang' for what it's worth. maybe be useful eventually, so i'll mention it

[foggy owl]

Hello everyone! Sorry if this is answered elsewhere, but I am trying to find a good, comprehensive coursebook to learn german with some friends. I saw Momente was recommended a lot, but it is entirely in german and well, I'm starting from a ground up so I'm a tad bit intimidated by it haha

[plain umbra]

There's no problem with using a book entirely in German. You just need a dictionary to help out.

faq dict

[stoic mauve]

What does this word mean?

The best way to understand the meaning of a word is to use a dictionary. Monolingual dictionaries such as dwds.de, de.wiktionary.org and duden.de will often provide the most accurate definitions and examples for a word. If you are not yet comfortable with using a monolingual dictionary, bilingual dictionaries are also an option (dict.cc, dict.leo.org, pons.com).

The key here is to empower yourself to find the answer on your own. Using the many examples provided in dictionaries like DWDS, Wiki and Duden can help you confidently understand the word, and how to use it. If you still have trouble; don't worry! You can use #questions, #questions-2 or the #942470380692590632 to ask someone for further clarification.

[plain umbra]

And maybe pair it with some English resources for longer explanations.

[foggy owl]

Bet, sounds good, thanks!

[plush pelican]

"gedenken" benötigt eigentlich Genitiv, doch hier wurde der Dativ verwendet.

Wie oft wird so ein Ersatz gemacht bei Verben, die Genitiv verlangen?

Ich nehme an, das passiert nur beim Sprechen, aber auf der anderen Seite ist dies hier ein Nachrichtenbericht, wo man erwarten würde, dass das Gesprochene ein bisschen gehoben wäre.

[regal wave]

Sprache wandelt sich.

[plush pelican]

Ich frage, wo sich der jetzige Zustand befindet

Würde man auch bei gehobenerem Sprechen den Dativ benutzen?

[hollow seal]

Deswegen heißt es ja "Der Dativ ist dem Genitiv sein Tod"

[plush pelican]

Benutzt man den Genitiv in solchen Fällen nur noch beim Schreiben? Nur noch bei sehr gehobenem Schreiben?

[hollow seal]

Bei "wegen" passiert dasselbe

[plush pelican]

Ab wann benutzt man eigentlich den Genitiv, wenn der Genitiv formell betrachtet benötigt wird?

[hollow seal]

"Menschen gedenken dem getöteten" klingt für mich aber immer noch falsch.

[hollow seal]

Eigentlich heißt es "Thomas Forstner bekam null Punkte wegen seines furchtbaren Liedes", aber in der gesprochen Sprache hört man eher "wegen seinem furchtbaren Lied".

[nova sparrow]

Das kommt drauf an, wen du fragst:
Junge Leute in der Schule und Deutschlernende z.B. finden den Genitiv vielleicht lästig und würden ihn gerne sterben sehen 🤷‍♂️

[plush pelican]

Aber wie gesagt, das hier ist ein Nachrichtenbericht. Sollte man zumindest da erwarten, dass der Genitiv benutzt wird? Oder auch da nicht?

[nova sparrow]

Sollte man, aber auch hier würde ich unterscheiden, welche Quelle, welcher Nachrichtensender war das denn?

[hollow seal]

Es gibt sicher immer noch Opas, die da jetzt einen Leserbrief schreiben und sich beschweren würden 😁

[plush pelican]

ZDF Heute Journal

[nova sparrow]

Dort sollte das nicht passieren 🤯

[plush pelican]

https://youtu.be/JyK5SKtwMyc?si=da16rihqNJsAXFHN&t=75

[nova sparrow]

Sagt der mit dem Opa als Avatar 😜

[plush pelican]

Genau deswegen habe ich ja gefragt

[nova sparrow]

vom Deutschlandfunk weiß ich, dass dort die Nachrichtensprecher keine ausformulierten Texte zum Verlesen bekommen sondern aus Stichworten ihre eigenen Formulierungen machen (mussten?) und auch bei den Nachrichten (ARD&ZDF) gab es eine Zeitlang sowas wie das Sammeln von Versprechern, vielleicht (?) gehört das ja in diese Kategorie...

[warm robin]

Die Kleider findet man in der Damenabteilung.

I had a minor issue with this sentence, I thought "Die Kleider" was the subject for a minute or so...

So quickie question: is "man" almost always the subject of a sentence?

Because "Die Kleider" is both nominative and accusative. I guess my brain "locked on" to nominative but only realized later it was accusative (with "man" as the subject...)

[plain umbra]

Yes, "man" is nominative only.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/man#German

[cobalt ocean]

ich habe den man gesehen

doesn't look like the subject to me ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jade hawk]

that's Mann not man

[plain umbra]

Yes, because you wrote it incorrectly.

[pseudo breach]

Hey does anyone know a self study method that gives reliable progress in speaking skill

I'm kinda hitting a strong plateau in B1

[willow socket]

Speaking is best practiced by speaking. If you don't know any other German-speakers, you can take part in online voice chats and/or lessons. "Top tier" here would probably be some sort of tandem or language exchange, where you speak 1:1 with a native. Alternatively you can pay a tutor/teacher. Or rely on something like this server and similar stuff.

Some people claim talking to yourself is a good way to improve speaking. Personally this didn't help me much, especially at higher levels, but could be worth a shot.

Improving listening skills will help the most with accent. And if you build writing skill, at least for me, this helps with speaking as both are active language production (still different, but related).

[pseudo breach]

how did you utilize tandem exchange/voice chats ?

[willow socket]

Sometimes I talked in this server. I also talked with my partner on the phone in German, but most of my learning took place within Germany, so I had "real-life" speaking and didn't need to do much over the phone.

But language tandem/language exchange is a pretty well-known method. You might find someone in #1065443550004781067 or an online resource which matches people (idea is they speak to you in German, you speak to them in your native language)

[plain umbra]

Some people claim talking to yourself is a good way to improve speaking.
I think this task is more so for practicing coming up with words on the spot, muscle memory, and pronunciation practice. More like "giving a speech" type speaking, as opposed to conversation.

[river roost]

Most of my friends who are B1-B2 are daily gaming together or on German gaming servers, watching german streamers and movies, all to 1) practice speaking and 2) get a bigger vocabulary (supported by native speakers in the group too).
I think its very lucky to find a consistant group and shares similare interests including 1 goal of learning german together.

[plain harness]

Why is learning german so vastly different from learning English? My experience with english was listening for a couple of years with absolutely no speaking whatsoever and no grammar.

I then started speaking on a native like level.

For German after listening for 9 months I still do not feel an intuition of words. it doesnt have that passive element to it

[plain umbra]

True, it does seem different. I don't think anyone here is going to be able to answer "why" it's like that though.

[quasi mulch]

yeah there's lots of reasons, like the difference in grammar between both languages, global reach of each language, someone's native language and so on

[quasi mulch]

you should supplement your listening with structured learning
-new words
-grammar
-improving all your skills (reading, writing, speaking and listening)

then remain consistent with all this (very important) and that's pretty much it

[plain harness]

these are good advices. when you are not pressured to learn however then its a battle between motivation and active structured learning.

my native language had nothing to do with english. which helped in isolating my intuition. German is very fluid i believe. you learn a structure, get used to a speech pattern , then when hearing a podcast a native speaker will use a variety of patterns. so you hear words and not ideas. It honestly feels like trying to talk to someone immediatly after a nap. Delirious and confused but you understand the words someone says to you. You end up however asking "what?" after each sentence

[quasi mulch]

yep, the language has a pretty flexible word order and you have a lot of ways to express a single idea (well, same goes for english and other languages)

you just gotta keep going until it clicks. It will click eventually

[plain harness]

English too that is correct. but in practice even though you can say differenr orders people most commonly say one regularly

[quasi mulch]

you also mentioned motivation. It's an important factor to have but honestly, discipline will serve you much more. My motivation was through the roof when I started learning german and declined overtime, but the discipline was always the same from the start

Even lately, I've found it extremely hard to do something as basic as speaking for 15-30 minutes or reading a short story, but I push myself do do it anyway

breaks are needed here and there, but action creates motivation. You end up looking back and thanking your past self for being disciplined :)

[jade hawk]

Wird "astrein" immer noch als Ersatz von "geil" verwendet oder klingt das zu altmodisch

[stuck walrus]

Astrein höre ich schon oft

"Geil" würde ich nicht verwenden, da es zu vulgär ist.

[jade hawk]

was wirklich

so was hab ich noch von niemandem gehört

[stuck walrus]

Ist aber so, gemeint ist meistens nicht die vulgäre bedeutung wenn jemand "Geil" sagt.

Aber die echte Bedeutung ist nunmal vulgär

[jade hawk]

okay ja aber ich meine geil im sinne von awesome nicht im sinne von horny

das ist nicht vulgär, sondern in der alltags/umgangssprache ein normaler ausdruck oder

damit vergleiche ich astrein hier

[stuck walrus]

Ja in der umgangssprache ist es ein normaler Ausdruck aber ich würde dennoch auf solche Wörter verzichten.

[jade hawk]

auf astrein aber nicht? das ist nicht so vulgär deiner meinung nach?

[stuck walrus]

Wir brauchen diese Diskussion garnicht fortzuführen.

Welches du von den beiden Wörtern verwendest ist dir Freigestellt, ich habe dir die Bedeutung von "Geil" gesagt, damit du weißt was für ein Wort du eigentlich verwendest.

[jade hawk]

All die Bedeutungen von geil kannte ich schon, ich kenne nicht aber was für eine Konnotation astrein hält

Ob das auch ein bisschen augenbrauenhochziehend ist oder ob das "normaler" klingt

vllt gab es hier ein missverständnis lol dafür entschuldige ich mich

[hollow seal]

Astrein kommt übrigens von der Schreinerei: Ein Stück Holz, das rein (sauber) von Astlöchern ist, ist ast-rein https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ast#Astreinheit_und_Astigkeit

[balmy axle]

astrein is like

a lot more formal? also isn't used in the same way as geil in my experience more like a "splendid" when someone did something well

and no it doesn't have any vulgar connotations

[jade hawk]

so closer to ausgezeichnet/hervorragend I suppose

ty

[nova sparrow]

you could add perfekt, ideal, optimal, erstklassig, to that group of words (if you haven't already) 🤔

[jade hawk]

vorzüglich erstrangig vortrefflich!

[plush pelican]

erstrangig

OH, like erst-rangig

not er-strangig 😄

[jade hawk]

yeah I made that mistake too lol

[nova sparrow]

If you look up DWDS there's a TON of other similar expressions 🤯

[heavy oasis]

Hey

[fervent kernel]

Hallo, hast du eine Frage, die du gerne stellen würdest?

[thin oak]

Hi guys! I have a question

In this sentence "Ich suche ein kleid und einen schal"

Why the first is "ein" and the second is "einen" ?

[willow socket]

das Kleid -> ein Kleid (accusative)
der Schal -> einen Schal (accusative)

[thin oak]

Ah Kleid is neutral?

I thought both are masculine so I got confused why one is accusative and the other one is nominative, but now it's all clear
Thank you Lolo

[thin oak]

Hi guys I have a question

Großmutter is more formal than Oma right?
Like "Dad" and "father" for example?

[fervent kernel]

Yes.

[thin oak]

Thank you Tac!

[fervent kernel]

You're welcome!

[teal cliff]

Like grandpa and grandfather

or grandma and grandmother

The equivalent to granny being Omi probably

In terms of like translating the nuance as accurately as possible (words never have the same connotations tho)

[thin oak]

Oooh so in German you can say Omi too
What are the words for "mom" and "dad" in German ?

[wispy yarrow]

Mutter/Mama und Vater/Papa

[thin oak]

Okaay, thank you Frog Person

[nova sparrow]

Or even Mutti und Vati

[cobalt ocean]

Mutti ist Angela Merkel

[heavy oasis]

Hey

[fallen acorn]

Hallo good morning ich bin islem ich bin kome aus Algeria

😅

[fervent kernel]

Hallo guten Morgen ich bin der Islem und ich komme aus Algeria

[fallen acorn]

I don’t speak germany good 😅

[fervent kernel]

don’t worry about it

[fallen acorn]

I’m learning

[fervent kernel]

that’s cool keep going

[fallen acorn]

Thanks

Ther is arab her ?

[fervent kernel]

no idea I’m sure there’s someone who speaks arab here

[fallen acorn]

Where do you from

[rich field]

大家好，这里有会德语的中国人吗？

[meager wasp]

你好！我的中文很差。

[rich field]

Das ist in Ordnung, wir können voneinander lernen.

[acoustic breach]

我是馬來西亞華人

[rich field]

好的，你可以教我一些德语

[acoustic breach]

Warte, dieser Kanal ist für Fragen über die deutsche Sprache

[acoustic breach]

我們去 #other-languages 或者 #beginner-german 好嗎？

[rich field]

好的

[nocturne spindle]

Hallo

[nocturne spindle]

Dude I spoke Arabic once and the mods got mad. That's not fair @lavish marlin 😔

[rich field]

他们不敢欺负中国人

哈哈

[nocturne spindle]

Chinese?

I have a friend who lives in china

[jade hawk]

Gibt's irgendeinen Unterschied zwischen Schoner und Schützer in zB Knieschoner und Knieschützer oder sind die einfach Synonyme?

[rich field]

Yes, I am Chinese, and you are welcome to travel to China.

[nocturne spindle]

Really? Where do you live?

[rich field]

我为什么要骗你呢？

我住在重庆

[rancid flame]

Kannst du auch Mandarin beibringen zum Sprachaustausch?

In VC

[timber yacht]

Ich denke, beide meinen dasselbe. 🙂

Knieschoner ist wohl gebräuchlicher.

[rich field]

Of course, we can learn each other's languages.

[rancid flame]

I sent you a friend request

[rich field]

I cannot send you a message; there is a problem with your account.

[fervent kernel]

you need to friend him before sending a message

[rich field]

ok

[zenith sage]

I have a question

About a word

[dawn oxide]

just ask, dont "ask" if you can ask a question 🙃

[zenith sage]

How many ways auf is usedd

[dawn oxide]

https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/auf_Praeposition

according to Duden 7

[zenith sage]

Danke

[plucky sapphire]

hallo

[fervent kernel]

<@&305455824174710787>

[nova sparrow]

<@&305455824174710787>

[soft sun]

Was ist der Sinn des Lebens, wenn du alles hast?

[willow socket]

wenn du nach einem Lebenszweck suchst und alles hast, kannst du direkt anfangen, mir Sachen zu kaufen : )

[nova sparrow]

Das was Du hast so einzusetzen, dass es dich UND andere erfreut!

[fervent kernel]

Das ist keine Frage für diesen Channel

[soft sun]

It says "questions"

isn't that a question?

[fervent kernel]

Schau in die Beschreibung

A question about German

[nova sparrow]

... abt the usage of German Language... that's what we're here for...

[soft sun]

You've got me this time.

Then where can i give my questions in german?

[fervent kernel]

What do you mean?

Your questions can be in german

[nova sparrow]

for philosophical questions like yours, try #1033125270217048246 ...

[willow socket]

That's more for questions about living, studying or immigrating to Germany.

[nova sparrow]

and what do you think, where would be the place to put such philosophical questions?

[willow socket]

idk, ig just ask in #general if you want english or #german-only if you want to talk in German. It's not really sensitive, so #1025098221653073940 isn't necessary, although that's the closest thing to a philosophical forum the server has.

[nova sparrow]

Okay, I see the problem here: #general or #german-only are quite short lived, but...
however... 🤷‍♂️

[safe sentinel]

How do I learn German fast? I’ve moved past Duolingo level and it’s making me sick. I need like a real convo or good source where I could learn more and practice.

[plain umbra]

faq best way to learn

[stoic mauve]

Best way to learn German

There isn’t only one “best” way to learn German, especially since different methods work better for different people. However, this FAQ will outline the main aspects of learning efficiently, which you can cater to your needs.

If you’re a beginner, type >faq beginner in #botchannel to see our beginner guide.

Cover all skills

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[delicate tiger]

faq chatgpt

[stoic mauve]

**AI-generated text**

This FAQ explains rules and advice for using text AI tools such as ChatGPT.

🔹 **Server rules regarding this topic:**

• Do not answer any questions by using AI-generated text.
• Do not ask for AI-generated text to be corrected.

🔹 **Problems with using AI for answers and corrections**

• No fact-checking: Tools like ChatGPT are very good at writing texts and often provide answers that sound good, but they are not capable of fact-checking their own answers.

• Fake information: It’s very common for these programs to make up fake or incomplete information, which is explained convincingly but is mostly wrong.

• Non-deterministic: The information is also partially randomly generated, meaning that if you ask the same question multiple times, you will usually end up with different answers.

• No language knowledge: It shouldn't be used for grammar or vocabulary questions, as it doesn't understand linguistics, nuance, or how a native speaker might actually use a given word or grammar point.

• Missing context: When correcting texts it needs to understand what the writer was trying to express. As such it may miss mistakes or correct things that don't need to be corrected.

🔹 **Reasons NOT to use generative AI for learning**

• It delays the development of important skills in language learning.
  Relying too much on AI generated texts or solutions may get in the way of learning the necessary skills of language acquisition, such as how to look up words or phrases in a dictionary, using critical thinking, or actually applying learned concepts.

• AI is not designed to guide learners.
  If you ask an AI a question, it will provide you with information, whereas if you ask a human, they will ideally ask you to show your understanding and offer advice on how to find the answer.

• AI output requires scrutiny
  AI output must be verified, but beginners to German or to language learning often lack the knowledge or experience to do so.

🔹 **Good uses of AI-generated text**

• Ask ChatGPT to come up with some story ideas that you can write about.

[thin oak]

Good evening guys,
What's the difference between "Deutsche" and "Deutscher" ?
The first is Fem and the sec is Masc ?

Okay thankiis!!

[jade hawk]

https://deutsch.lingolia.com/en/grammar/nouns/declension/nominalised-adjectives

[thin oak]

When do we use "Macht" verb and when do we use "Ist" verb ?

Or we just learn it like that, it depends on the sentences ?

[plain umbra]

This is a specific phrasing used with Spaß, so I think you can just memorise it as a phrase.

Spaß machen.

[thin oak]

Ooh okay

Thank you

[plush pelican]

A question for the native speakers: https://www.reddit.com/r/German/comments/1s3ieym/maria_gefällt_thomas_what_do_you_hear/

Assuming there's no definite article in front (and admitting that this is an unusual sentence), which would you assume is the subject and which is the object? Who is liking whom?

Saw this on r/German and it was interesting

[plain umbra]

Are you a native speaker?

[night tinsel]

yes

[plain umbra]

And did you read the linked thread?

[night tinsel]

But i might had wrote smth wrong im not a teacher lol

So pls correct me if im wrong

[plain umbra]

Yes, Argus was not asking for an explanation of gefallen. He knows how it works already. He was asking how native speakers would interpret that specific ambiguous sentence.

[night tinsel]

Oh i read that wrong 😔

Sorry

[plain umbra]

All good.

[night tinsel]

i deleted 👍👍👍👍

[plain umbra]

Feel free to add your answer anyway about how you would read the sentence.

[night tinsel]

Oke i will sometime ❤️

[rustic dock]

it’s mary who likes thomas, simply because without further context saying it the other way around for no reason is kinda uncommon

so OVS

[drowsy wigeon]

@plain umbra do you have any recommendations for any german youtube channels or tiktok accs (in German) to get deep into German history?

[plain umbra]

No I don't know German history channels, sorry.

[violet pumice]

"Fliegende Händler können lästig sein" — Händler, die fliegen, oder Händler, die umherziehen?

[violet pumice]

try this its free https://www.ardmediathek.de/geschichte

[plain umbra]

You replied to the wrong person.

[thorn zodiac]

Hallo Leute!

Habe eine kleine Frage 🙂‍↕️

Ich höre gerne ein Lied an und in diesem Lied steht "du hältst mich fest in deiner Hand" (Baby B3ns)

Ich weiß nicht genau, was ich fragen möchte, aber warum ist "fest" nicht am Ende des Satzes?

"Du hältst mich in deiner Hand fest" klingt mir schlechter aber das ist technisch gesehen korrekt, oder?

Wie heißt diese Grammatik? Laut ChatGPT ist das "Mittelfeld-Flexibilität"

Danke im Voraus 🤝

[thorn zodiac]

Habe gerade online gelesen, dass man eine Präpostion + Objekt zum Ende des Satzes schieben kann 😳

[plush pelican]

Nachfeld

https://www.deutschplus.net/en/pages/Syntax_Nachfeld

[willow socket]

in my opinion, it is not necessarily festhalten, rather etwas fest halten

[thorn zodiac]

Vielen Dank 🤝

Es erinnert mich an inf mit zu + wie und als

Interessant 😳

[thorn zodiac]

I did wonder also

[dawn oxide]

yea like lolo said its not festhalten its etwas fest halten

[quasi mulch]

hallo! Wenn du nach Leuten suchst, wäre es am besten, in #1065443550004781067 zu schreiben

[plush pelican]

Was ist der Unterschied?

außer der Grammatik

[dawn oxide]

To grab or hold onto something etc vs to hold something tightly

[plush pelican]

which one is which?

I thought both are "to hold something tightly"?

[dawn oxide]

Well first one is festhalten? Second one fest halten

[plush pelican]

so festhalten doesn't mean fest halten 🙃

[dawn oxide]

Well in a different way 😅

[plush pelican]

What's the difference between "festhalten" and just "halten", then?

I thought "halten" was to grab or hold onto something

[dawn oxide]

I cant explain t_t ich halte deine hand fest vs ich halte deine hand fest is just different 😭

second one you wouldn't even say rlly

[dawn oxide]

Maybe ich halte etwas fest vs ich halte etwas fest in meiner hand makes more sense ?

[plush pelican]

You wrote literally the same sentence twice?

[dawn oxide]

Yea but they mean smth different xD

[dawn oxide]

Does this explain it better

[plush pelican]

no

[dawn oxide]

Well one is used as an adjective

[plush pelican]

Maybe X vs X + "in meiner hand"

[dawn oxide]

One just a verb

Halt mich nicht fest vs halt mich nicht so fest

[plush pelican]

How do you know that it's an adjective there and not the verb?

[plush pelican]

the only difference there is "so"?

[dawn oxide]

Yea to illustrate it better

Lol

[plush pelican]

Deine Beispiele basieren auf dem Sprachgefühl eines Muttersprachlers, was ich offensichtlich nicht habe

[dawn oxide]

Ja hab ja gesagt ich weiß nicht wie ich das erklären soll 😅

[plush pelican]

schon gut

[dawn oxide]

Vielleicht kann @willow socket es erklären

Lolo hatte es ja auch so verstanden

[plush pelican]

geh mal lieber zu #questions und beantworte dies: #questions message

[warm robin]

Sorry to meme it up a bit lol. But I think I see what you're saying. Two ambiguous grammars here so it's difficult....

[willow socket]

Idk if it's correct, but etw. festhalten I associate more with like...holding something or someone to keep it in place. As opposed to the nature of holding something in a way that is 'fest'. Like firmly, with pressure.

[rustic dock]

that’s festhalten vs. fest halten

fésthalten vs. fest hálten

[sharp tiger]

Ich hatte nicht damit gerechnet, dass ...

is damit really necessary here?

Would that sound off without damit?

[plush pelican]

"Mit etwas rechnen" is a verb-preposition combo

Like "sich an etwas erinnern"

"Ich hatte nicht gerechnet" = I hadn't calculated 😄

Ich hatte damit gerechnet, dass du hier sein würdest.

I had counted on you being here.

Literally: I had counted on it, that you would be here.

[sharp tiger]

does this logic apply to

vor etwas Angst haben

Ich hatte Angst davor, dass ...

I think Angst needs davor as well here I could be wrong though

[plush pelican]

Yes

Sometimes the object of a clause is not a noun, but an entire following clause

[sharp tiger]

ich hatte Angst means something else like your example?

[plush pelican]

In those situations, you use da + preposition to act as a pointer, to point forward to the next clause as the real object

This is a grammar topic; have you not covered it yet?

https://youtu.be/uTtzEyKCGlo?si=pY6j8jwUae8TDalL

[plush pelican]

I was afraid

[jade hawk]

I think the best way to internalize this is with verbringen
Ich habe 20 Minuten damit verbracht, mein Zimmer aufzuräumen

[plush pelican]

I spent 20 minutes on X

I spent 20 minutes on cleaning my room.

Literally: I spent 20 minutes with it, my room to clean.

[sharp tiger]

I have no idea about grammar. I got exposure from immersion

[plush pelican]

This one doesn't work as well because in English, we actually don't need the preposition "on", but you get the logic behind the German grammar

[plush pelican]

You would probably benefit from studying grammar explicitly

[sharp tiger]

in fact I do for a couple of weeks now :d

I am going through Grammatik Aktiv exercises

[plush pelican]

There are also plenty of YouTube channels to help explain things in more detail

YourGermanTeacher, SpraKuKo, Learn German with Anja, etc

[sharp tiger]

I will have a look

thanks

[violet pumice]

Schnelltest:

• Konjugierbar? → Verb
• Steigerbar oder deklinierbar vor Nomen? → Adjektiv

[wet kayak]

"sein würdest" statt "wär(e)st"?

warum so

[violet pumice]

beide sind Konjuktiv II von sein, wärest auch währest ist veraltet eher in der Poesie angewendet, aber geht , ich wäre du wärest er/sie/es wäre wir wären ihr weret sie wären

[wet kayak]

wdym wäre ist veraltet

die wäre form ist doch überall zu sehen

aha okay ich habs grad nachgeschaut

es stellt sich raus dass mit "du" tatsächlich eher die konstruktion mit würde geht

[plush pelican]

Das hilft gar nicht. Ich bin kein Anfänger. Es geht um ein trennbares Verb (festhalten) oder ein Verb mit einem Adverb (etwas fest halten).

In keinem der beiden Fälle wird etwas dekliniert, in beiden wird etwas konjugiert.

[plush pelican]

Mit dem E ist veraltet

"wärest"

Ohne E ist normal

"wärst"

[plush pelican]

Vielleicht sollte es "wärst" sein.

Manchmal habe ich das Gefühl, dass man sein würdest trennen muss, wenn es um eine feste Verbindung wie "hier sein" geht.

Aber ich könnte da falsch liegen.

[south tapir]

halt mich nicht so fest - jmd hält dich (zu) fest (übt zu großen Druck aus, sodass es sich unangenehm/schmerzhaft anfühlt.)

Halt mich nicht fest - jmd verhindert, dass du ihm entkommst/ lässt nicht zu, dass du weitergehst (auch im übertragenen Sinne des Wortes)

@dawn oxide

Unterscheide ich korrekt zwischen den beiden Sätzen?

[hollow seal]

Kann man so sagen. Ich biete aber auch noch an: "Halte mich nicht zurück!'

[acoustic tendon]

fest festhalten

best of both worlds

"halt mich nicht so fest fest"

[plush pelican]

Does this actually literally read as "toilet-glasses", or is there another meaning for "Brille"? Do Germans think of toilet seats as being glasses for a toilet?

[plain umbra]

I don't know the history but dict.cc does have die Brille as toilet seat.

Ah, from wiktionary: "Meaning 3 ("toilet seat") is derived in analogy with the usually round shape of spectacle frames surrounding the glass, just as a toilet seat surrounds the toilet hole."

[hollow seal]

The word "Brille" comes from beryllium, the glasses used to be made of that

[sonic isle]

Do 'leeren' and 'lehren' have same pronunciation?
Thanks.

[cinder fractal]

Yes, they do

[sonic isle]

Danke!

[plush pelican]

But then why is it used for toilet seat?

[plush pelican]

Ah. I was on German Wiktionary, not English. It didn't mention this

[plain umbra]

Yeah, the English one usually has a lot of good little comments like this.

[plain umbra]

And although it is still a slightly weird comparison, I think it's more along the lines of saying the seat is like a "frame", the glasses frame, rather than "glasses" as a whole thing.

If that helps at all.

[plush pelican]

Yeah

[plush pelican]

In Atlanta im südlichen Bundesstaat Georgia gingen Tausende Demonstranten mit Plakaten wie "Wir verlieren unsere Demokratie" auf die Straße, in der Hauptstadt Washington marschierten Zehntausende Trump-Gegner mit Bannern wie "Kampf dem Faschismus" zum Lincoln Memorial.

https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/amerika/usa-demonstrationen-no-kings-100.html

What is the grammar of "Kampf dem Faschismus"?

"Kampf" is a noun, and then "dem Faschismus" is in dative case

Is that like (bring) fight to fascism?

[upper flint]

on the first read it seems like bad Grammar

[plush pelican]

Also, I'm fairly certain that the original English would have been, "Fight Fascism", which "fight" is a verb, not a noun, so why didn't they just do the imperative "Kämpft Faschismus"?

Bekämpft den Faschismus?

[upper flint]

"der Kampf gegen den Faschismus"
"Kampf gegen Faschismus"
"Bekämpft den Faschismus"

[plush pelican]

I vaguely recall a similar-ish grammar structure before, something about Ausländer

Used in the context of German domestic politics

[gusty silo]

its very ordinary, i dont know what to say about it grammatically

'death to X' is licit english

'fight to X' isnt

in german both are licit

[plush pelican]

"Deutschland den Deutschen"

There, it's similarly "noun + dative noun"

[plush pelican]

"licit" isn't licit English for normal people 😛

[gusty silo]

its normal in linguistics 🤷

[plush pelican]

I'm not a linguist

[gusty silo]

its not valid, idiomatic, normal english

but in german its fine

for what its worth, atleast on the surface its a structure you can get with some verbs. Ich wünsche DAT ACC. Ich erkläre DAT ACC.

of course the order here is different, but the relation of acc and dat is broadly the same

so why didn't they just do the imperative "Kämpft Faschismus"?
this (specific example) isnt grammatical to be clear. kämpfen is intransitive, bekämpfen as in dorn1a's bekämpft den Faschismus would be required

at any rate its a dative benefactor or experiencer, the dative ought to receive or be subject to something

and the other thing is what they should receive or be subject to

oh side note, a very famous such phrase is 'Friede den Hütten, Krieg den Palästen'

peace to the huts, war to the palaces

[hollow seal]

That's by Georg Büchner
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Hessische_Landbote

[gusty silo]

oh yeah, i forget that sometimes

[plush pelican]

Sorry, had to go for a bit. Thanks for the explanations!

[plush pelican]

So "Kampf dem Faschismus" is grammatically valid, then?

How does it compare to "Bekämpft den Faschismus"? What are the nuances between using one over the other?

I suppose the imperative form is more active?

Which would be a closer translation to, "Fight Fascism"?

[gusty silo]

yeah its entirely valid. for slogans i would say the version using nouns is somewhat more common/desirable. as for why i dont know

[plush pelican]

Is the imperative form more likely to land you in legal trouble in Germany when doing protest slogans?

[gusty silo]

oh oh uh.
if you want to use a verb, do Faschismus bekämpfen with an infinitive rather than an imperative, actually

as a slogan or if you want to get into the graffiti business, lol

[gusty silo]

no idea

[plush pelican]

Why?

There are slogans with imperative in German?

[gusty silo]

its more slogany in german :p

i dont know why

[plush pelican]

Sounds to me like a legal thing

[gusty silo]

its doable, certainly

[plush pelican]

Surely there's a linguistics paper somewhere talking about the usage of infinitive vs imperative for slogans

[gusty silo]

i think there's something about it being a general statement or phrase that makes it more... 'universal', formal?

[plush pelican]

I'm too lazy to look it up, but I bet there is one

[gusty silo]

and thats carried through through the decades as just a common way to build slogans

[gusty silo]

likely. i mean we also love to put the infinitive rather than imperative on signs

or when making certain commands in speech

[plush pelican]

And they say that Germans are always direct 😛

[gusty silo]

haha

[warm robin]

This discussion is reminding me of https://youtu.be/A1I4GStK3Cw?si=nDfX5sBqCxtNNkXj

Denn er kämpft immer gegen das Unrecht in der Welt

Got all my kämpfen practice in that song...

[thin oak]

Hi everyone

Why "deinen Kind" is wrong?

[regal wave]

because the preposition "für" demands accusative, which is "dein Kind" in this case

[thin oak]

Why dein and not deinen?
The other examples had "deinen Vater"

[regal wave]

...das fiel mir auch gerade auf

[thin oak]

Ehh ?

[regal wave]

well

gender

grammatical

Kind

is?

[thin oak]

No idea

[regal wave]

neutral

[thin oak]

Oh okay

[regal wave]

you noticed? 🙂

der mann, die frau, das kind dadaan

[thin oak]

OK
Thanks Mr Native Speaker

[regal wave]

haha 🙂

That's the confusion you get in class

[thin oak]

Well, studying only through Duolingo is tricky with those things, that's why I'm often coming here for help

[regal wave]

which is fine (but get something that is not Duolingo D: )

[thin oak]

I'm checking websites from time to time, for lessons
As Duo has exercices only
Any recommendations?

[nova sparrow]

Have you checked Nicos Weg

[thin oak]

Nope
Is that a website or a ytb channel?

[nova sparrow]

faq Nicos Weg

[plush pelican]

https://www.germanveryeasy.com/pronouns#Possessive-Pronouns

[pulsar steppe]

Hallo! ich habe eine Frage: das ist richtig zu sprechen: "Wir beginnen seit heute mit dem Training."?

[nova sparrow]

It's here in #resources
a complete course free and up to lvl B

[plush pelican]

check the pinned Google Doc in #resources