questions

[indigo bear]

These are common pluralisation patterns but I guess the issue is, they aren't really predictable from the base noun most of the time. Aside from compound nouns, as usual, since the plural of the base noun will usually be the same for the compound.

[frigid tinsel]

Yeah, agreed. The rules of thumb may work at best.... 80% of the time?

Like it's a pattern for sure and unmistakable. But I'm not very sure if it's worth studying such an unreliable pattern.

[indigo bear]

Next than that for sure.

[indigo bear]

Yes it is typically considered not worth learning pluralisation rules and just learning each plural individually.

Because even if you try to learn the rules, it will amount to pretty much the same amount of work.

[thin pollen]

Hmm alr ty everyone

[frigid tinsel]

Are you really A1 anymore? At 1100 words (500 from frequency, 600 from my personal notes), I feel closer to A2 than A1 now. A lot of A2 readers are approachable for me.

I know that these readers are using stuff from the A2 word list specifically though.

[thin pollen]

Prob because my grammar is lacking Ive only been consistent with the vocabulary for a while now

Halfway through the A2 nicovnweg course

[frigid tinsel]

A2 had a lot more readers available than the A1 level.

[thin pollen]

Almost any grammar tho so I could do like 10 lessons a day if I have time

[frigid tinsel]

My current graded reader is "Short Stories in German", by Olly Richards and Alex Rawlings. Its apparently A2-B1 but honestly I have an easier time with it than my other A2 reader "Sicher ist nur eins Carsten Tsara blickt nicht durch"

Maybe the stories at the beginning of this book are on the easier-side of A2.

[thin pollen]

I haven't read or immersed in German for a while this is why I thought my German prob became a bit rusty

[thin pollen]

I would say 80% here tho

Nvm a bit more maybe 90+ lol

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, I read this already and already looked up all the words I don't know. So like 100% lol.

But its the home-field advantage.

[thin pollen]

How many pages is it? The oily Richards one

[frigid tinsel]

This story is only from pg 32 to 56. (with maybe 8 of those pages as exercise+glossary)

240 total pages, but a lot of it is exercises, glossary, index...

answers

I'd estimate 50 pages are that kinda stuff, so maybe 190-ish pages of actual reading material.

[thin pollen]

used to read this a few months

It's nice for beginners

[indigo bear]

I assume the bolded words are meant to be like new/difficult vocab so how many words do you have trouble with, not including bolded words?

[thin pollen]

Damn only 2 actually lol I also know the bolded words

You could say 2-3 because I do know what dabei means at the end but I don't get what it means in the middle

[tranquil axle]

has anyone got youtube channel recommendations to help immerse myself

[frigid tinsel]

Die Maus

https://youtube.com/@diemaus?si=6UhY0MOP2lhDjfGf

[frigid tinsel]

Well, hold up. What level are you aiming at?

[tranquil axle]

right now im A1 but i want to eventually get to B2-C1 level at some point

[frigid tinsel]

I could only effectively immerse with Kinderlieder at A1.

https://youtu.be/rC18LyHbQns?si=pRVhRDs5RpC_2hbc

That sorta thing.

[tranquil axle]

i see

ill try that, thanks

[frigid tinsel]

Even then, I found that song quite difficult.

[tranquil axle]

i bet

[frigid tinsel]

The videos help a lot though. So I'd recommend watching and listening, and if possible reading a printout of the lyrics.

There is also Easy German, that was very helpful

[tranquil axle]

send it though

[frigid tinsel]

https://youtube.com/@easygerman?si=2GKweSV6TfWgQl-P

Easy German ranges in skill all over the place. But there are some stuff at A1 level for sure.

[winter kayak]

Here is a really big list of German Youtube channels, put together by André:
#voice-chat message

[copper bronze]

yo to my C1 homies living in non german speaking countries, what are you guys doing to keep your language up and further improve

[scenic obsidian]

Romane auf Deutsch lesen, täglich auf r/WriteStreakGerman schreiben, Podcasts auf Deutsch anhören, YouTube Videos auf Deutsch anschauen

....Nachrichten auf Discord auf Deutsch schreiben 😅

[copper bronze]

jaa das alles mache ich außer dem Schreiben auf reddit. wollte es wissen, ob jmd etw außerordentlich macht

yoo du hast mir einmal eine Frage geantwortet

danke 🫡

[wary aspen]

Is it possible to reach B2 in German within 6 months?

[oblique snow]

Starting from what? How much time and money are you willing/able to invest?
1h per day with a textbook after work is very different from 6h/day language school or even a private one-on-one tutor.

[copper bronze]

if you have the time and motivation, yes

[wary aspen]

I will book two lessons every month with a one-on-one tutor. The rest of the time, I will spend learning from DW Nicos Weg, Netflix, and a grammar book. I plan to study for 3 to 4 hours every day, with one day off per week.

I will also try to use Duolingo and watch German content in my free time

[nova wedge]

For fun I was just making some sentences with some of the things I’ve been learning and I just wanted to know how I did

Ich sehe mein Lieblingstier, die Fledermaus.
Die Fledermaus hängt kopfüber in der Höhle und isst gerne Bananen, weil sie so süß sind.
Ich hänge kopfüber in der Höhle mit der Fledermaus, weil ich gerne Fledermäuse mag.
Die Fledermaus ist gut im Fliegen, weil sie große Flügel hat.
Fledermäuse sind sehr niedlich, weil sie Große Ohren und weiches Fell haben.

[copper bronze]

i can only speak from my own experience. as someone who had your exact same goal starting out, i fully believed i could manage B2 in 6 months. In reality, I got a C1 in 18 months, and was B2 probably around 9-10 months in.

my main method was immersion (reading as much as possible, watching, listening, etc.) I averaged probably 1-2 hours a day through the 9 months with some weeks more heavily like 2-3hrs daily and others maybe like 20mins-1hr.

If I were to start again in my shoes, I'd have done the exact same thing, except even more reading, and I would've also added some daily grammar, vocab, and writing excersizes.

With that I'm very confident that someone can reach B2 in 6 months.

[wary aspen]

Thank you! You gave me some hope that I can do it too 🙂

[copper bronze]

Yeah of course! Never doubt the capabilities of the human mind fr, people have done crazier things in way shorter timespans

[hollow umbra]

Perfekt, nur das g von "große Ohren" muss klein sein😊

[wary aspen]

Can I ask what learning resources you’re using?

[copper bronze]

at the start: LingQ, Germanreading.net, lingua, easy german youtube, easy german podcast

and a bunch of other stuff ive forgotten

[nova wedge]

Danke some reason, my keyboard auto caps it

[frigid tinsel]

That's intensive speed. Possible but only with top teachers and like 8 hours a day (4 hours lessons + 4 hours homework) kind of studying.

[frigid tinsel]

Well, there's the question. It seems like language learners / polyglots who know what they are doing can build themselves a self study plan to get to B2 or other such high level in that time. But typical beginner? Maybe only with a teacher who has a solid plan.

[mint hatch]

These courses seem to be free, or there’s a bundle package for $20 (lifetime). What level can we reach if we complete the 6-month course or all courses, B1, B2, or maybe C1? I think they have around 10 courses in total.

[frigid tinsel]

FSI is an intensive 33 weeks for German. With like 4+ hours a day structured lessons from German Natives.

That's like, US Diplomats spending their primary job learning German.

FSI is on the American scale level 4 or something, which is B1+ or B2-.

It doesn't line up exactly to the European level system.

Those look like some kind of beginner package though, which probably only takes you to A1 or A2.

[mint hatch]

Okay! GPT said the content is B2 level, and we have do extra preparation from books, podcasts, lectures and movies to reach C1. and speak with Natives

[frigid tinsel]

FSI is a building in Virginia.

Are you going there?

[mint hatch]

No lol

[frigid tinsel]

Yeah, don't expect to get that far unless you know what you are doing or have access to a native teacher for significant hours or something.

[mint hatch]

Is it not possible to reach C1 without a native teacher or a guide?

[winter kayak]

You don't need a native teacher in any case. In my (admittedly limited) experience, many langauge school German teachers are non-native.

[frigid tinsel]

It's the 6 month thing that's the bigger issue.

A native teacher speeds things up

If you don't have that, you'll struggle and get stuck on random stuff.

Self study to B2+ level is more of a 2 year thing for self study, maybe 1 year if you really push it and smoothly learn.

Obviously everyone is different.

[mint hatch]

I'm looking for free resources or less expensive for now, to reach B1 at least, then I can spend some money to reach C1. I have 10-12 months to reach C1 which I know is tough. I'm spending 6 hours per day atm

[winter kayak]

You do not need a native teacher. But a teacher can help some people learn faster by giving structure. But it's very expensive.

It's very possible to learn German on your own without ever paying a teacher. However, if you don't have much experience learning languages and don't stick to a very disciplined study plan, it's going to take longer. I wouldn't count on reaching C1 in under a year from A level.

[mint hatch]

Okay! I get that

[winter kayak]

Have you already looked into Nico's Weg? It is a free course from Deutsche Welle

[mint hatch]

Yes! I watched the A1 video on youtube

https://coerll.utexas.edu/dib/voc.php?k=1

This is a free textbook(website form). It might take us to A2

[jovial remnant]

2000 Hektar Wald (sind/ist)?

Der Wald ist angeblich singular bei dict.cc aber er kommt in diesem Kontext Plural vor.

Der völlige Satz ist: 2000 Hektar Wald sind durch ein Feuer vernichtet worden

[oblique snow]

Die Zahl vorne macht es zum Plural. "Ein Hektar Wald ist durch ein Feuer vernichtet worden."

[frigid tinsel]

So speaking from my experience as a beginner, I had maybe a month of dwaddling around not knowing how to study German. (To be fair, I didn't fully decide if I wanted to learn German yet so I wasn't putting forth much effort).

With the correct guide you will be more focused.

Or alternatively, someone already on their 3rd or 4th language will already know how to learn.

Even today I feel like I'm improving my learning and learning more about myself (learning about my learning).

If I knew how to study 6 months ago, I'd have studied faster. But there is an element of learning how to learn here. The teacher thing just helps speed this up because the teacher has seen other students and their struggles already and provides early learning advice to set you on the right path.

So that's my intended argument. It cannot apply to everyone and everyone's self learning skills differ.

[copper bronze]

yeah as someone who had only begun to learn my first foreign language, i took a good amount of time to research the best and most efficient methods beforehand and alongside the learning process

[frigid tinsel]

Two lessons a month of speaking seems far too little. My expectation with this plan is that you won't get enough speaking practice.

IMO, add substantial amounts of shadowing practice to that, or more meetups with the teacher in the 2nd+ month.

Shadowing practice is when you speak exactly the same audio while the audio plays at the same time. This helps build your ear and speaking skills. If I were to go back again, I'd emphasize shadowing (expanding beyond just songs but also to any recorded German speaker. Easy German, Podcasts, News, etc. etc.).

Ex: while watching Nico's Weg, also repeat after them and repeat and repeat until you feel like you sound like them exactly. Well, when doing shadow practice anyway.

[solid bronze]

maybe a dumb question, how does declension interact with proper nouns (e.g. company/group names)? or, as an example from the context i'm trying to describe, how would one go about saying "Deutsche Bahn's trains" or something to that effect? would it be "die Züge der Deutschen Bahn"?

[frigid tinsel]

Do you know Genetiv case yet?

[astral yoke]

It's pretty much as you say: die Züge der Deutschen Bahn! 👍

[frigid tinsel]

I think the fast / casual answer is "die Züge von der Deutschen Bahn", converting this into a Dativ through von.

Well, if Bernie says otherwise, focus on him lol.

I thought this would be a proper use of Genetiv, but I'm still beginner level.

[astral yoke]

^^ it's proper Genitiv though ...der Deutschen Bahn

[lean tiger]

What are some ways to complete the foundation year (13 years of Abitur) when signing up for Bachelor's on English taught courses? Since my 12 years of schooling is not eligible. I plan on continuing my studies in English

[frigid tinsel]

Oh, lol. Well I just need more Genetiv practice then!

If I were doing it at my skill level I really would do the "von" thing though.

[astral yoke]

Yeah and many ppl say you don't really need Genitiv, which is wrong! Some are just too lazy to use it properly....

[astral yoke]

I'm not sure I get your question correct:
You had 12 years of schooling (in English) but to sign up for some Bachelor course you need more?
1 year more of schooling or what?
Where do you want to apply for said course, in Germany?
Then there should be a "Studienberatung" where they should be able to tell you what you could do for that 'gap'.

[lean tiger]

Yep, I heard you can't apply to German Universities for a Bachelor's after finishing 12 years of schooling. You need to do another additional year called "Studienkollieg" or something. But all those foundation courses are taught in German only I heard

[astral yoke]

I'm not 100% sure abt the only German here, but maybe ask in #1033125270217048246 there might be ppl that had your same situation... 🙇‍♂️

[fast bobcat]

i have question.. what is the periods above u, a, and o represent specifically

like how r they pronounced nd stuff

[astral yoke]

faq Umlaut

[livid steeple]

Umlauts

Umlauts - ä, ö, ü
Along with the 26 letters of its alphabet, German also possesses the umlaut, a diacritic in the form of two dots placed over the letters a, o, u to form ä, ö, and ü. Umlaut means something akin to altered sound and this is reflected in the fact that the pronunciation of the umlauted vowels are quite different from the non-umlauted vowels.

🗨️ How do I type ä, ö, ü?
See >faq keyboard on how to type umlauts.

If you cannot type the umlauts, you can add an e to the non-diacritic vowel to represent an umlaut. For example, you can represent öffnen as oeffnen.

Umlauts can never be replaced with their non-diacritic versions. In other words, you cannot replace ö with o when spelling words like öffnen. Some words only differ by the vowel sound, for example schwul (gay) and schwül (humid, sultry).

🗨️ How do I pronounce ä, ö, ü?
See the next few pages for more info on pronunciation.

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[keen mulch]

if you add umlaut when making a Konjunktiv II version of a verb, then why du brauchst is ,,du brauchte" in konjunktiv?

[astral yoke]

Du bräuchtest ^^ 🤔

[keen mulch]

so there was a mistake at the exercise I saw on the internet then

[astral yoke]

Not sure abt that, there's also du brauchtest (without Umlaut)...
So if you could provide the question ... 🤔

[keen mulch]

and you have to fill it with konjunktiv II versions

[indigo bear]

From wiktionary: "Traditionally, brauchen has been a weak verb in standard German with a regular past subjunctive brauchte. However, the irregular form bräuchte has since found its way from the dialects into the standard. It is already the only common form in spoken German,[1] and is gradually becoming dominant in writing as well (although some grammars may still discourage this usage)."

[keen mulch]

so both then

[indigo bear]

Yes.

[tawdry prism]

Wait I was under the impression you form the Konjuktiv II of all verbs by adding an umlaut if possible?

[indigo bear]

If it's a strong verb, yes.

[tawdry prism]

Oh I thought it was all verbs lol

Thank you

[neat root]

Hallo

[nova wedge]

I saw someone accidentally use the command version of drink water and I was wondering because I would also learn something to use to make commands more polite with this make this sound nicer

Trink mal Wasser

Also, I know you could just add en to trink

[indigo bear]

You can't just add -en. If you want to make it formal, you need Sie as well.

Trinken Sie Wasser.

[nova wedge]

Oh I see a lot of people are just using it without sie

But does mal work too?

[indigo bear]

Are you sure? Where did you see it?

Did you see "Wasser trinken" instead?

[indigo bear]

Sorry btw I prefer not to answer that part since I'm not a native speaker.

I mean, yes, you can use "mal" there, but I don't want to explain the tone that it gives since I could get it wrong.

[nova wedge]

Oh, I’m seeing some old ones that have been pretty old in this server

[indigo bear]

Possibly mistakes by beginners.

[nova wedge]

I was told mal makes command sound more polite I think this is like a tone where you are telling them to to do something but you are making it more polite as how I figure it’s used.

[indigo bear]

Yes, it can soften a command but it's a little more complicated than that.

Sometimes it's used to make the command more urgent or like "hurry up".

[nova wedge]

Oh that’s also good to know

That’s why I like to ask here to see if it works as I thought it does like for example I have a friend that is dehydrated and like telling them that they need to drink water but politely

[hollow umbra]

This is funny, because if you compare:
Bleib hier!
Hierbleiben!
Hiergeblieben!
Then the first (imperative) is the most polite of them

Of course there is also more polite:
Bleib bitte hier.
Könntest du bitte hier bleiben?
Es wäre besser, wenn du hier bleibst/bliebest.

[cobalt aurora]

Hellow, so does this word called einstellen have so many different usage cases?

also do comment about the contexts where you've seen this word

[astral yoke]

DWDS lists 7 ...

[astral yoke]

https://www.dwds.de/wb/einstellen

[cobalt aurora]

Thank you for the fast reply!

[sleek pebble]

also another assertively rude one:
Du möchtest bitte hierbleiben!
or
Du hast hierzubleiben!
or
Du bleibst hier!

first one sounds like it should be somewhat polite but the „bitte“ seems to me more like a modal particle than „please“

[magic token]

die Uhrzeit einstellen / einen Ingenieur einstellen (Job) / die Arbeit am Projekt einstellen (beenden)

[astral yoke]

sich einstellen....

[magic token]

sich auf das Wetter einstellen

[delicate terrace]

Hi i am looking for a native speaker that preferably speaks russian or any language that uses cyrilic to explain to me the "ch"

[magic token]

you ask abaout that?https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrillisches_Alphabet#/media/Datei:Early-Cyrillic-letter-Kher.svg

[winter stream]

yeah german <ch> basically functions like this: after a o u, it's like russian x normally is, otherwise (after i e ü ö ä and consonants) it's similar to how russian x sounds before i like in ximija

[delicate terrace]

i am asking whether the ch sound is or something else

[winter stream]

german 'soft' ch is kinda inbetween x and š

(it is really annoying that we cant type cyrillic in this channel, sigh. oh well)

[delicate terrace]

how would you say the ch in ich

i hear a lot of people just say

[winter stream]

haha

yeah i mean the closest thing in russian (very close, but not exactly the same for all speakers) is the x in ximija

[delicate terrace]

aha i see

do you mind if i pm you a voice message?

[winter stream]

some germans do pronounce soft ch the same as sch, though it's seen as a lower class thing (its actually regional, but yeah). germans are entirely used to foreigners using 'hard' ch (like normal russian x) for it everywhere, or to saying sch for soft ch, those cause no problem

i dont mind, go ahead

[delicate terrace]

id like to get the pronaunciaton down before advancing further
i sent you a friend request

[nova wedge]

I learned this

Trinken sie Wasser. To make drink water, sound polite, but can you also say

Trinken mal Wasser.

[winter kayak]

Trinken Sie Wasser (capitalisation amtters)

'Trinken mal Wasser' is incorrect

[nova wedge]

Oh

Oh I thank i typed it wrong can you use
Trink mal Wasser

In Google translate it’s recognized as
Have a drink of water.

But that could just be Google translate being stupid or something

[indigo bear]

Trinken Sie Wasser isn't exactly about politeness. It's about the concept of "formality" in the sense of using different language for strangers vs friends/family.

Of course it's polite to use the right form of address towards someone, but the form itself is not more or less polite than another.

[nova wedge]

OK, I have a friend also DM me about this
Trink etwas Wasser. In a calm tone, but he also said
to make it more polite properly is to make it into an actual sentence

[indigo bear]

But that already is an actual sentence.

[nova wedge]

Yeah, I’m just saying what he told me just now after I asked the question

The reason asking these questions cause I would like to learn how to structure the sentences and build my own but valid sentences with them so I look ways of how to use it other than just memorizing a one used for it

[indigo bear]

Yeah, it is good to learn that. But I would suggest making sure you're learning in a sensible order starting with beginner topics.

For example words like "mal" are call modal particles, which is a pretty advanced topic.

[nova wedge]

OK, be a bit self tight. I haven’t had the money for a textbook yet. Also to be motivated about mostly focusing on the topic I actually enjoy learning to make a sentences about bats.

[indigo bear]

Oh, to be clear though, not all uses of "mal" are modal particles. But the one in the example you gave is.

[indigo bear]

There's a LOT of free online resources for this stuff.

Here's a list of grammar topics as a starting point: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kz1Xqx0sFXAWys-Mgfhjc-M8JDCMtoeeGXcg5-orP_A/edit?tab=t.0

You don't have to completely follow this order but if you skip to trying to learn advanced topics too quickly, it will make things confusing.

[nova wedge]

I give it a look on my free time

My main motivator was mostly to add more words to talk about bats like

Die Fledermaus hängt kopfüber in der Höhle und isst gerne Bananen, weil sie so süß sind.

[jade sail]

how can i open the voice channelZ

<@&305455824174710787>

[indigo bear]

Read #getting-started .

[warped igloo]

hi. why all rooms are locked

[winter stream]

read the immediately preceding message

[warped igloo]

where do i find it

[idle sable]

here

[indigo bear]

#getting-started

[frigid tinsel]

As an FYI, the overall gist of A1 and A2 is mostly learning of sentence templates. B1 is roughly the level where you build freeform paragraphs / writing yourself (and it's why B1 is considered the first conversational level). Obviously you can and should practice sentence building as early as possible. Just be aware that you are doing things out of order.

As far as textbooks go, Nicos Weg is a free website and covers A1, A2 and B1. Videos, example listening, exercises

[indigo bear]

Very much disagree. People should learn how to construct basic sentences in Level A for sure.

There are some courses which may start with sentence templates in A1, but this isn't necessarily the usual. It's mainly a preference of certain teachers. You can start without any kind of "template" approach at all. But if you are relying on templates into A2, I think that's taking it a bit too far.

I'm sure courses exist which do it, but those are on the extreme end.

[frigid tinsel]

Hmm, maybe grammar in general just feels very template like to me.

[thin pollen]

Whats used more: Die Sonnencreme / Die Sonnencremes (it's plural)
Or just Die Sonnencremen in plural?

[indigo bear]

According to dict.cc, Sonnencremen is a regional variation in Switzerland and Austria.

[thin pollen]

alr ty

Also is there a diff between hinfahren and fahren + nach

Like when do I use hin and when do I use nach

[winter kayak]

hinfahren is the normal way of saying 'drive to (a place)'

[thin pollen]

Ich fahre nach Berlin
Ich fahre hin

Is this how it works

[winter kayak]

never even heard of nachfahren

[thin pollen]

Nah I meant as in using the preposition

[winter kayak]

Ah, Ich fahre nach Berlin <- here, nach is acting as a normal and not a separable preposition

[thin pollen]

Nach with fahren

[indigo bear]

It's acting as a preposition and not a separable prefix.

[frigid tinsel]

Basic sentences yes. But A2 still has important grammar you need to master (subordinate clauses, relative clauses and the like). You really don't know the bulk of sentence types until the end of A2. B1 seems to be the first level where you get mastery of the words that refer to earlier sentences / connection words that flow. (da-words, more conjunctions like wegen, etc. etc).

Zu infinitives are pretty common and seemingly in B1 level as well.

[thin pollen]

Do I have to drop the place when using hin?

[winter kayak]

If you use 'nach' and specify the place, you don't use 'hinfahren'

that's the best tip I have

[indigo bear]

Yes. You aren't expected to be able to write or speak any sentence on any topic. But you should be able to freely create sentences which make use of A2 grammar topics.

[thin pollen]

Alr Ty

[winter kayak]

I think templates are great. Varying degrees of 'strictness', ofc, but understanding the template of various sentence forms is how you begin to speak idiomatically. And I'd say in the A-levels, this is also true. The templates tend to be very simple. Subject, verb, object. Maybe a bit of experimentation with position 1. You could even consider the placement of auxiliaries and infinitives a sort of template, which applies to modalverbs as well as Perfekt (A topics).

The nonsensical stuff tends to happen when someone with a low level attempts to make their own sentences. But ig that's part of learning too.

[indigo bear]

Using a template can be fine. But I would argue that someone isn't actually at an A2 level if they are reliant on templates to make sentences, because it means they haven't actually learned the grammar.

[winter kayak]

Ig I consider grammar a template, like Dragontamer

Natural languages don't have a nice perfect formal grammar, but honestly quite close. So with exceptions it can be simplified to a template.

[indigo bear]

Usually when people explicitly refer to templates in the context of language learning materials, they mean like a pre-written sentence where you just fill in the blanks with keywords. Like when a complete beginner learns "Hallo, ich heiße [blank] und ich bin [blank] Jahre alt." It's also common to learn them for essays and emails, especially for exam contexts. But it would be strange for an A2 learner to always be relying on things like that instead of more generic concepts like conjugation and "word order of verbs" and so on.

[winter kayak]

true, true

I think the grammar definition of template is too broad, yeah

[frigid tinsel]

Hmmmm.

So when roleplaying in my class, there is a script. It basically says "Rolle A. Sie sind Mitarbeiter für das Firma Technik. Sie heben das tele ab und der Kundin fragt was stellt das Firma Technik her...."

[glacial crag]

hey lolo and base, could I show you guys a grammar list so you guys could let me know if the topics are enough all the way to b2-c1 grammar? I might consider buying the 2nd variant of grammatikaktiv if it'll be necessary at a point

[frigid tinsel]

(bad grammar I'm doing this from memory).

But Roll B then pretends to call, and says yadda yadda kinda following the script as best as one can.

[indigo bear]

True, but given that dragontamer made a contrast between A2 and B1 claiming that A2 uses sentence templates and B1 creates freeform paragraphs, it didn't come across as though normal grammar rules were being referred to there, but rather those very structured sentences. So I wanted to clarify that although you do often see a big difference in A1 with a lot of memorisation, usually A2 and B1 are similar in how much "freeform" writing you should be able to do, just with B1 having a wider array of grammar tools to work with.

[frigid tinsel]

I guess there's room for some level of customization or going off script, but there's still a template here.

It's not like fill in the blank, but the overall flow of the discussion is still laid out in paragraph form.

[winter kayak]

You can, but my only input would be basically going through the ToC of Grammatik Aktiv B2-C1 and comparing 😅 I do not know the grammar topics by heart

[indigo bear]

Ah I see. This is a little bit different. This is something you do in all levels, it's not specific to beginners. But it's not about learning the grammar. It's about learning the social norms of those scenarios.

Of course you also learn other things like grammar from it.

But the main point of it being a script is you're learning "what do people say in this scenario?" rather than a sentence template.

[frigid tinsel]

Maybe it's too much for me to call that a template.

[indigo bear]

It's like... even a native speaker kinda relies on templates in those scenarios, just like how they do in emails and essays.

Not always, but maybe that helps to understand why it's not just a beginner thing.

Things like ordering at a cafe, going to the doctors, etc.

[glacial crag]

that's perfectly fine! Tho tbh, I'll be sending Basementality's grammar list since the courses I followed have a ton of vids in them xD
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kz1Xqx0sFXAWys-Mgfhjc-M8JDCMtoeeGXcg5-orP_A/edit?tab=t.0|

This one summarizes pretty much most of what I learned

[frigid tinsel]

It really was just constantly bombarding me with those scenarios. How to ask for new clothes in a larger (or smaller) size. How to voice displeasure at the clothes color. How to pay by cash vs credit card. How to ask for different departments and what they contain. How to ask what's on sale....

[indigo bear]

Yeah, that is mainly an exposure thing. If you hear what to say in that scenario at least once, then you have some idea in case you have to do it yourself.

But if you haven't heard it before, you should still be able to come up with a grammatically correct sentence (within reason) to say something similar.

Of course assuming you have sufficient vocab.

[indigo bear]

Sorry, I don't get the question exactly.

Are you asking if the grammar list you just posted is sufficient for B2?

[glacial crag]

yeah, I'm not at that point yet but I do wanna know if the grammar in some advanced texts will go beyond what's listed above

[indigo bear]

I guess the way I would describe it is... yes, the grammar will definitely go beyond that list. There's a huge world of niche grammar topics out there. But I think most people will be fine without learning those things explicitly, unless you're in a situation where precise grammar is important.

This list is essentially the core concepts that most people should learn explicitly, as their foundation of the language.

A lot of other concepts can be learned as needed, as you encounter them, and many will just stick from exposure.

And that will vary a lot by person.

And personal preference.

[lilac dragon]

for someone who wants to learn German and doesnt know anything really, whats a good place to start, any good resources here??

[indigo bear]

faq beginner

[livid steeple]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

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[indigo bear]

faq nicos

[livid steeple]

Nicos

Nicos Weg is a free online program aimed at helping people learn German. It includes video, audio, text, grammar explanations, notes, vocabulary, and exercises. It also includes very useful cultural and bureaucratic information, such as how to open a bank account, while teaching you the relevant grammar and vocabulary.

It’s fairly popular and well-recommended, but keep in mind that you can’t learn a language with only one resource, even if it’s a good one!

You can find the program here: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/nicos-weg/c-36519789

You can also see various other courses for learners by dw.com here: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/overview/

[indigo bear]

And of course, if you're just reading something, you don't need as much grammar knowledge as you would if you were the one writing it.

[glacial crag]

hm, okay so it most definitely won't be a worry for a long time then

[indigo bear]

I think it will just be something you learn gradually forever.

But definitely pick up a C1 textbook if you prefer to really know the topics.

There are some great C1 textbooks.

Or workbooks.

[glacial crag]

gotcha, and one more thing btw. I remember asking you a looong time ago on what level you were at, you either said solid b2 or c1 if I'm not mistaken. You also said that you weren't actively developing your skills, did you have a specific goal from the start that you already achieved?

I'm curious to know if you'll start pushing further

[indigo bear]

Yes my goal was just to learn a language for fun so I guess I achieved it enough.

[indigo bear]

I would like to but it's just difficult to progress in language learning when working full time and everything else. I mean when you have no specific practical goal you need it for.

[scenic obsidian]

If only there were websites that literally had a list of B2-C1 grammar topics 🙃

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ-TkWUCZ2SJudLprU-L9I7uaoHo4APyj

https://deutschkurse-passau.de/JM/images/stories/SKRIPTEN/b2_skript_gr.pdf
https://deutschkurse-passau.de/JM/images/stories/SKRIPTEN/c1_skript_gr.pdf

[glacial crag]

yeah those are valid points. Work can really sip on people's time depending on the person and occupation. Other responsibilities do the same

nevertheless, I'm glad you achieved your goal and I hope you'll have much more time in the future :)

[glacial crag]

holy

[winter kayak]

There are few B2 and no C1 topics listed. Maybe I misunderstood the question, but there are definitely more topcis in those levels which aren't in the list

I never really pay much attention to the levels associated with grammar topics, but N-declension in A2 sent me 😂

Konjunktiv II in A2, TeKaMoLo in B1

[glacial crag]

If i encountered that topic in a2...

wow that would've been a nightmare

and sorry for phrasing the question somewhat insufficiently

[scenic obsidian]

For what it's worth, that same website has lists for A1-B1:

https://deutschkurse-passau.de/JM/images/stories/SKRIPTEN/a1_skript_gr.pdf
https://deutschkurse-passau.de/JM/images/stories/SKRIPTEN/a2_skript_gr.pdf
https://deutschkurse-passau.de/JM/images/stories/SKRIPTEN/b1_skript_gr.pdf

[glacial crag]

but you guys've answered it well, thank you all for your output :)

[scenic obsidian]

They do list n-deklination and some (starting) K2 in A2

It's not all of K2, it's würde/hätte/wäre/modal verbs in K2

[winter kayak]

I just find it hilarious. Like, sure you might not be able to speak a perfectly normal present-tense sentence with more than 1 piece of adverbial info without sounding like a doofus, but you'll be able to express your irreale Wünsche like a pro.

[lunar lynx]

@scenic obsidian you posted the neutral word order that one time, the one that's pinned, but do you have anything about the word order when it's not neutral? I'm mostly concerned about this message I got corrected on once: #german-only message

[winter kayak]

not the one tagged, but just wanted to note the issue with the attached sentence is not 'nicht' but rather the position of sich

[scenic obsidian]

Seems like you're really asking about the position of "sich"

[lunar lynx]

yurrr

[scenic obsidian]

Hammer's has a bit about this

"sich" can come before or after the subject

But in your case, the subject was a pronoun

So there it's like

er = nominative pronoun
sich = accusative pronoun

and within pronouns, it's (Nominative, Accusative, Dative)

[lunar lynx]

yeah I figured that out immediately after pinging you

[scenic obsidian]

https://giphy.com/gifs/AxNDmjnu0eulL3qSPf

[idle sable]

bro has all the instances of me correcting him saved

[lunar lynx]

well I gotta figure out a way to not get spammed with corrections yknow

So I didnt write anything wrong

Gestarn hat sich der Deutsche / Gestern hat der Deutsche sich
da bewegt sich er nicht / da bewegt er sich nicht

[astral yoke]

da bewegt ~~sich ~~er nicht

[idle sable]

really? sounds wrong to me still

[lunar lynx]

its with sich

[scenic obsidian]

you did

if the subject is a pronoun, that is different than if the subject is a normal noun

that's literally the whole point

Did you read the highlighted text in the pic I sent?

[lunar lynx]

yes

[scenic obsidian]

after a pronoun in the nominative, if there is one

"er" is a pronoun in the nominative

Da bewegt er sich nicht

[lunar lynx]

Oh like that

[idle sable]

im impressed by how hammer covers everything

[scenic obsidian]

It doesn't cover everything, but it does cover a lot of things

If you get into advanced enough topics, it will barely mention it and give no clear rule. But for things up through like, C1, it does really well

[zealous raven]

Is it true that Germans don’t have middle names? /gq, nm

I was looking for middle name ideas for a German character of mine, and then came cross the information that apparently Germans don’t have middle names, Is it true?

[astral yoke]

We can have a middle name but often don't use it...

[zealous raven]

Oh okay, thanks!

[edgy needle]

Hast dir von 2 fortgeschrittenen Leuten sagen lassen dass das nicht geht

Musst echt Demut lernen

[lunar lynx]

bin zu pedantisch

[edgy needle]

Ähhh

[lunar lynx]

sowieso wollte ich die regel dahinter lernen

[edgy needle]

Wie du meinst

[lunar lynx]

zwei fortgeschrittene leute hatten mir gesagt dass es falsch war aber nicht warum es falsch war

[sleek pebble]

what do you want sowieso to mean here

[idle sable]

in any case

but it doesnt work

[edgy needle]

wie dem auch sei

[sleek pebble]

ah ok

[sleek pebble]

yeah

that or wie auch immer

jedenfalls also works i think

but then probably with nur

by the way, „da bewegt sich er nicht“ is not necessarily wrong, just unidiomatic in any case for this particular use, but it can be valid to contrast that it wasn’t him who moved, but someone else

which wasn’t the case in that sentence, so it sounds odd, but i don’t think that makes it wrong, it’s just that people wouldn’t say it like that

[edgy needle]

usually followed by sondern...

in that case

[idle sable]

fair point

[edgy needle]

to point towards another person who couldve done that

quite the niche usage case

[lunar lynx]

I'm aware I used sowieso wrong here (I am still at the point where I can't exactly tell in what contexts its correct, though I do have a feel for it)

[sleek pebble]

it can also be used in person while hinting at someone in line of sight

[astral yoke]

Ich wollte die Regel dahinter sowieso lernen^^

[lunar lynx]

Yes in that position it sounds better

[sleek pebble]

yeah those kinda words and phrases are annoying to learn in any language

[edgy needle]

Er hat damit aber was anderes meinen wollen

[sleek pebble]

correct sentence but not in this context

[astral yoke]

🤷‍♂️

[sleek pebble]

but i think there both word orders are fine too

[idle sable]

well we dont know for sure what he wanted to say

its was just my guess

[sleek pebble]

but it puts more emphasis on sowieso to put it first

[edgy needle]

your guess made most sense

[lunar lynx]

If I were to rewrite the sentence I would have said außerdem wollte ich die regel dahinter lernen

[astral yoke]

Sowieso in the beginning feels off 🤔

[sleek pebble]

that would be fine

[sleek pebble]

i think that’s because in most cases where people would say that they would say „und“ first

[astral yoke]

might be

[lunar lynx]

its kinda like that with immerhin too

Saying immerhin at the beginning feels way off

[sleek pebble]

Fußball liegt ihm ganz und gar nicht und sowieso ist er kein guter Sportler.

in my head this sounds fine at least

[idle sable]

immerhin at the beginning sounds fine to me

[edgy needle]

to me as well

[lunar lynx]

[edgy needle]

immerhin wollte ich...

etc etc

immerhin ist er der.... etc etc

[edgy needle]

Sehr gut.

[sleek pebble]

immerhin ist er der Unathletischste seines Jahrgangs in der Schule

=/

[edgy needle]

bin mittlerweile so faul und gebrainrotted geworden dass ich zu faul war um mir ein anständiges Beispiel einfallen zu lassen

[lunar lynx]

just searched immerhin from myself and I have used it at the beginning a few times but I mostly put it later in the sentence

[edgy needle]

ich bin sogar so faul dass ich "faul" zweimal im selben satz benutzt habe

https://tenor.com/view/bored-unimpressed-amadeus-uninterested-gif-3560315

Ich muss mich geißeln

[edgy needle]

Ich.

[sleek pebble]

it really depends, neutral is after the verb, but putting it first implies the following information is worth hinting at, like a thing to keep in mind.
Er könnte dich ruhig öfter von der Arbeit abholen, immerhin ist er dein Freund…

it’s not that much different from
Er könnte dich ruhig öfter von der Arbeit abholen, er ist immerhin dein Freund…
but the tone in that one is less tense

it just sounds like a neutral explanation of the point raised

[lunar lynx]

I have a feel for it. A subconscious foundation. I just need to keep using it/seeing it used from others and everything should fall into place

with enough time

[south tinsel]

Immersion

[edgy needle]

Weißt du zuzu ich könnte jemanden wie dich gebrauchen um mir solche Feinheiten 24/7 ins Ohr zuflüstern zu lassen. Könntest du dein Bewusstsein später mal auf Neuralink hochladen wenns so weit ist? @sleek pebble

[sleek pebble]

:DDD

abgemacht

[edgy needle]

Die Macht eines gebildeten Muttersprachlers ist staunenswert

Ach

du bist doch Linguist

oder?

[sleek pebble]

laienhaft, das heißt, ich bin interessiert daran und lese darüber, habe aber keine nennenswerte qualifizierung

[edgy needle]

trotzdem sehr gut

[sleek pebble]

beruflich plane ich industrieküchen, also relativ weit entfernt von linguistik :DDD

[edgy needle]

boah

[scenic obsidian]

Auch auf Englisch benutzen wir nicht oft Mittelnamen. Ich habe mehrere Freunde, deren Mittelnamen ich nicht einmal kenne.

[edgy needle]

geil

[scenic obsidian]

Industrieküchen bedeutet was, Bäckerin für ein Konzern?

[edgy needle]

laienhaft hin oder her, du kennst dich meines Bedünkens schon ziemlich gut aus XD

[scenic obsidian]

Bedünkens

[edgy needle]

wenn ich beim hochgeehrten Argus eine solche Reaktion auslöse...

[sleek pebble]

ich plane die küchen. großküchentechnik ist ein gewerk, welches sich mit der gestaltung, planung, installation, wartung und reparatur von industriellen küchen beschäftigt - also solche küchen, die für die systemgastronomie bestimmt sind. dazu zählen, beispielsweise, die küchen in restaurants, krankenhäusern, schulen, öffentlichen einrichtungen, jedoch aber auch kleinere professionelle küchen wie imbißstände oder jahrmarkthütten. diese küchen unterscheiden sich, im wesentlichen, von kleinküchen darin, dass professionelle küchen strengen hygienebedingungen unterliegen und daher das mobiliar überwiegend fast vollständig aus edel- oder chromnickelstahl besteht und die dort verbauten küchengeräte höhere leistungen erzielen.

[edgy needle]

trefflich, dann könnte dein geklontes Bewusstsein mir einiges über Küchen erzählen

[sleek pebble]

durchaus!

[sleek pebble]

meines Bedünkens

[sleek pebble]

beim geschätzten argüslein

[edgy needle]

joa lass mich jetzt bloß nicht erröten

[scenic obsidian]

argüslein

[scenic obsidian]

Ach so, du bist eher Ingenieurin oder so?

[edgy needle]

Zuzu ist männlich

wenn ich mich recht entsinne

Ich glaub sogar, er hat dich darauf schon mal hingewiesen XD

[sleek pebble]

sowas ähnliches, bei weitem kleiner als das, aber im prinzip gleicht es sich in vielem

[scenic obsidian]

echt?

[edgy needle]

Ich könnte mich irren

@sleek pebbleSeid Ihr vom zarten oder starken Geschlecht

Wenn die Frage keine Vermessenheit ist

[sleek pebble]

die anderen baugewerbe erledigen die coolere arbeit. man arbeitet zwar mit ihnen zusammen, aber trocken- und nassbau fertigen die installationswände (jene wände, durch die medienleitungen verlaufen: strom, gas, kaltwasser, warmwasser, abwasser, LAN, …), der elektriker verlegt die stromleitungen, die kältetechnik macht meist die zu- und abluftleitungen und installiert die kühlaggregate, usw…

[winter kayak]

Sexismus bitte außerhalb questions lassen. Dafür gibt es die anderen Kanäle 😄

[edgy needle]

Inwiefern, werte Lolo, war das von mir Gesagte sexistisch?

[winter kayak]

This isn't the proper channel for me to explain why calling one 'sex' soft and one 'strong' is sexist. Probably better for #1025098221653073940

[edgy needle]

I am afraid your opinion doesn't concern me.

It's a stilistic choice on my behalf

[winter kayak]

That's totally alright, but if you post stuff like that in a public forum, you open yourself to me pointing it out. I don't have to explain it, maybe we can let <@&305455824174710787> decide.

[edgy needle]

Wasn't trying to start discourse

[gray tide]

weird conversation to join in on but can anyone explain how reflexive pronouns and verbs work...
Or is there any good resource or video I can use to gain a better understanding of it. (Doing A2)

[edgy needle]

Getting mods called on me for using a euphemism

Trefflich.

[scenic obsidian]

https://youtu.be/wuKLXCZHlmc?si=kaKMRsOXnBd08QI6

I recommend this YouTube channel in general for grammar

[gray tide]

thankyou!

[sleek pebble]

Errötend nehme ich Euren schmeichelnden Kenntnishunger zu meiner Wenigkeit geschmeichelt wahr, jedoch — möglicher Kränkung Eurer verehrten Persönlichkeit warmen Herzens abgeneigt — möchte ich, unter Achtung Eurer Ehre, achtvoll jenes Zerwürfnis entgegentun, dass die geschlechtliche Beschaffenheit meiner ergebenen Persönlichkeit in unserem einander schätzenden Schriftverkehre eine untergeordnete — wenn nicht gar dem allgemeinen Belang einen gänzlich unwichtigen Platz einnehmende — Stellung inne hat.

[scenic obsidian]

Now can you say it in German? 😄

[idle sable]

wer hat bro an den herd gelassen?

[sleek pebble]

i haven’t done this in a while, forgive the lack of quality =(

[scenic obsidian]

"Gender ist mir nicht wichtig." entnehme ich

zumindest in diesem Kontext

[astral yoke]

Eher, Gender tut nichts zur Sache, bei den Dingen die wir hier diskutieren.

[idle sable]

nicht "mir", eher fürs gespräch

[scenic obsidian]

Entschuldigung, "Geschlecht"?

[astral yoke]

Auch gut...

[sleek pebble]

stell dir mich vor, wie es dir am angenehmsten ist

[scenic obsidian]

Ich stelle mir vor, du wärst ein Kaiju

https://giphy.com/gifs/godzilla-WwNtKiEuKH6FO

[sleek pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/caillou-gif-26935136

[edgy needle]

https://tenor.com/view/salieri-mozart-salieri-mozart-gif-19031729

Peak

@idle sable true salieri score drop moment

[fair hedge]

Hello, I just need help doing some German exercise work for my university, I'm not sure how I am supposed to be writing this sentence
"wir/ihr: nicht gut kennen"
"Wir kennen euch nicht gut, und sie kennt uns nicht gut"

[scenic obsidian]

"sie kennt uns nicht gut" = she doesn't know us very well

I don't know what the exercise is asking for, but if it wants a second sentence, I would assume that you would switch "wir" and "ihr" so that "ihr" is the subject and "wir" the object, not using "sie" for some reason

[fair hedge]

yeah, it wants me to use the first sentence to create two connected sentences

so would the correct version then be "Wir kennen euch nicht gut, und ihr kennt uns nicht gut "?

[scenic obsidian]

looks good 👍

[royal silo]

kann man mir damit helfen? ich verstehe nicht, warum meine antworte falsch sind

[fair hedge]

Vielen Dank🙂‍↕️

[tawny fractal]

versteh ich auch nicht

[haughty idol]

Just to check my understanding of this, the reason why the weak ending "en" is used here instead of the strong, accusative plural is because "ihre" already indicates that "Heideflächen" and "Landschaften" are in accusative plural (well it could indicate a lot of different genders and cases but you know what I mean)? I think that's how it is, but just checking because I thought that unless it had a definite or indefinite article, then you would just count it as nullartikel

[hollow umbra]

Bei 4. finde ich, man sollte das "aber" weglassen, das klingt deplatziert

Bei 6. klingt "beim Vertrauen" bescheuert, aber so steht es auch in der Vorlage

Und ich würde eigentlich keine Kommata setzen, aber ist die neue Rechtschreibung so?

[jovial remnant]

I am confused

Shouldn't it be die Familie?

[royal silo]

ist es nicht doch egal wenn es ein komma gibt?

[hollow umbra]

WEM konnte geholfen werden? Dativ!

[hollow umbra]

Vermutlich ist es erlaubt, aber nicht vorgeschrieben, ein Komma zu setzen. Neue Rechtschreibung ist da etwas liberaler geworden

[royal silo]

hmm okay

werde meinen lehrer morgen fragen

[scenic obsidian]

Yes, it's in plural, that's why there's the -en ending.

These charts might help make it more clear: https://www.germanveryeasy.com/adjective-declension

[haughty idol]

Thanks

[scenic obsidian]

Specifically, this is "mixed declension":

possessive pronouns before the adjective trigger mixed declension, and then it's plural/accusative

so -en

keine guten Männer

meine guten Männer
ihre guten Männer

[plucky plinth]

If i call someone an angel, should it be "Engelin" ?

Since she is a woman

Idk if this applies to things outside of jobs

[bronze sparrow]

guys i didnt really get the abcd stuff level can someone explain pls

[plucky plinth]

abcd?

do u mean the levels

like a1 a2 b1 b2

[bronze sparrow]

maybe

[plucky plinth]

it's ur proficiency level in the language

a1 is like very beginner
a2 you can kinda talk a bit
b1 and b2 are intermediate
c1 is basicaly fluent and c2 is native

[bronze sparrow]

okay thank you very much

how i know my lvl if im not sure?

[plucky plinth]

you can take tests

i believe there are free tests online

but if u want a certificate u need to take it from verified institutions i think

if i remember correctly to join a german university u need to have atleast b2

[hollow umbra]

No, "sie ist ein Engel"

[plucky plinth]

It only aplies to jobs?

[bronze sparrow]

yoo bacon thank you very muchi appreciate ur help im gonna take an online test

[hollow umbra]

No, all kinds of things. "Sie ist eine Mörderin"

[plucky plinth]

Goodluck brother, wishing you the best

[bronze sparrow]

tyty

which lvl are u?

[plucky plinth]

[plucky plinth]

Idk

But i think i'm a2

I can understand half of the german reels on my feed

[bronze sparrow]

xdxd

[plucky plinth]

So i think that's decent lool

[bronze sparrow]

man i wann aget there too

great work

[plucky plinth]

If u want we can study together

I've only been studying german now cuz i've gotten bored

Too much free time

[bronze sparrow]

ohh that would be nice

[plucky plinth]

okay

i sent a request

gtg now cuz brazil game is starting in 13 minutes

brazil x france football match

goodluck brother

[bronze sparrow]

okok have a nice day

[true lynx]

,,Mir gefallen Schwarz und Blau am meisten.''

is this correct

[winter kayak]

yes

[true lynx]

means ,,i like black and blue the most'' correct?

[winter kayak]

yeah

[true lynx]

ah thanks

[hardy scarab]

Hey, i have to do a slideshow presentation on a book and i was wondering what is the verb "release" in German? Thank you in advance !

[sleek pebble]

in what context

[hardy scarab]

like "The book/film was released"

[sleek pebble]

then veröffentlichen

[hardy scarab]

or published

[sleek pebble]

literally to publicize

[hardy scarab]

thx

[sleek pebble]

a less common alternative is herausgeben, but i think it’s more often used with books somehow

[hardy scarab]

okay i'll remember that thanks a lot

[sleek pebble]

🫡

[scenic obsidian]

https://www.english-efl.com/english-language-levels/

[scenic obsidian]

What's a female angel, then?

[fair hedge]

back with another sentence scramble. I'm supposed to write a complete sentence using the correct form of the words in the same order as given, "mein Freund / kaufen / Rosen / für / ich" I put "meine Freundin kauft Rosen für mich" but it was labelled as wrong

[scenic obsidian]

Hint: Some verbs have slightly irregular conjugation

[fair hedge]

Angels I think is Engel regardless of it's gender

[scenic obsidian]

Oh wait, no, that doesn't apply there

🤔

Then it must be that they only accept the masculine form of "Freund"

"mein Freund" (my male friend) and not "meine Freundin" (my female friend)

[fair hedge]

so "mein Freund kauft Rosen für mich"?

[scenic obsidian]

Yeah

[fair hedge]

okay thats correct, thank you!

[scenic obsidian]

Capitalize the M, btw

[stiff kraken]

id actually interpret that as my boyfriend

[scenic obsidian]

Capital letter at start of the sentence

[fair hedge]

I will, thank you

[scenic obsidian]

Yeah, probably

[stiff kraken]

well im quite positive friends dont buy each other roses 😅

[scenic obsidian]

Some do!

[magic token]

"herausgeben" vs. "Herausgeber"
herausgeben (verb)
Means "to give out / to hand over / to publish"
- Give change (money): "Können Sie mir 5 Euro herausgeben?" — "Can you give me 5 euros in change?"

• Hand something over: "Er gab das Dokument heraus." — "He handed over the document."
• To publish / release: "Der Verlag gibt ein neues Buch heraus." — "The publisher is releasing a new book."
• To edit/compile a collection: "Sie hat eine Anthologie herausgegeben." — "She edited/published an anthology."
  Herausgeber (noun, masculine)
  Means "publisher" or "editor" — the person or entity who publishes or edits something.
• "Er ist der Herausgeber dieser Zeitschrift." — "He is the editor/publisher of this journal."
• In books: the Herausgeber (Hrsg.) is the editor of a compiled work (e.g., an anthology), distinct from the author (Autor).
  Key difference
  │ │ herausgeben │ Herausgeber │

│ Type │ verb │ noun │

│ Meaning │ to give out, hand over, publish, make change │ publisher, editor (of a compiled work) │

│ Context │ action │ person/role │

In short: herausgeben is what you do, and Herausgeber is the person doing it in a publishing/editorial context.

[fair hedge]

another one is "gegen / sechs Uhr / laufen / wir / gern / durch / der Park"
"gegen sechs Uhr laufen wir gerne durch den Park"

ah wait, I have to remove the e from gerne

gegen sechs Uhr laufen wir gern durch den Park

[scenic obsidian]

In reality, you can have the E or not have the E, both are acceptable

The E is a remnant of an older grammar thing that isn't used anymore, so people kind of use the word both with and without E, they do both equally.

[fair hedge]

is it grammatically correct to use without e in this case?

[scenic obsidian]

Yes

[fair hedge]

will note that though, thank you

[pearl horizon]

was ist der unterschied zwischen beobachten und schauen

[scenic obsidian]

Observe vs look, I believe

[pearl horizon]

rlly

i hear ppl use it in podcasts a lot

ich beobachte dass viele menschen benutzt „beobachten“

[scenic obsidian]

Maybe they're people watchers 🤓

[magic token]

beobachte Vögel mit dem Fernglas, schau Fernsehen, schaue mir das Spiel an, schaue aus dem Fenster, Beobachte die Straße aus dem Fenster

schauen ist weniger üblich

[pearl horizon]

ohhhhhhhh

[hollow umbra]

They don't exist 😄
https://engelkarte.org/gibt-es-weibliche-maennliche-engel-und-was-ist-der-unterschied/

Here's an extremely weird web page

[fair hedge]

for the sentence "Gut, und (black) neue Adresse? in reference to a woman talking about her new house, what possessive is best? sie? Ihre?

[indigo bear]

So you want to say "and your new address?" right?

For "you" and "your", there's no gender difference.

[fair hedge]

yes, that's correct

im just trying to figure what possessive is correct here

[scenic obsidian]

Are you addressing her formally, or informally?

Sie or du?

the possessive form of "du" is "dein-"

dein Hund
deine Frau
dein Auto

und deine neue Adresse?

the possessive form of "Sie" is "Ihr-" (note: it is capitalized!)

Ihr Hund
Ihre Frau
Ihr Auto

und Ihre neue Adresse?

[scenic obsidian]

"Sie" = you (formal)
"Ihr-" = your (formal)

"du" = you (informal)
"dein-" = your (informal)

[fair hedge]

noted, thank you!!

[pearl horizon]

Mund vs Maul?

unterschied

[dusty salmon]

I have observed here in the sense of like "I've noticed"

[dusty salmon]

Maul is like an animal's mouth
A snout

Muzzle

That's part of why "Halt's Maul!" (shut up!) Is so rude

It's kinda like "shut your dog-mouth"

[pearl horizon]

ohhhhh rlly 😂

Mund ist normal

[dusty salmon]

Yeah i think muzzle would be the best translation
Like a dog's mouth

[dusty salmon]

Ja Menschen haben Munden.

Mouth in general - Mund

Can be any mouth

[pearl horizon]

HALT DEIN MAUL ist gemein

[dusty salmon]

Yes

Halt's Maul is usually what you'll hear
Hold the snout

[pearl horizon]

achso

[dusty salmon]

Shut your yap

[frigid tinsel]

Is this like "der Hotelgast" or "die Putzhilfe" ?

[frigid tinsel]

Little Red Riding Hood falls the wolfs mouth a Maul.

Not a Mund

[hollow lark]

Wie oft benutzen deutsche Menschen "Genitiv"?

I watch immersion videos and sometimes the person will use genitiv, but I can't tell if its because its catered towards learners or if that's actually how people talk

[sleek pebble]

why would they not use it

[hollow lark]

no i mean in a colloquial context

Do people say das Haus meines Bruders or das Haus von Bruder

[hollow umbra]

Wenn überhaupt: "das Haus von meinem Bruder". Rheinisch "meinem Bruder sein Haus" 😂
Aber "das Haus meines Bruders" ist völlig normal und üblich

[winter kayak]

Ziemlich oft

[hollow umbra]

Yes, very good, or: Die Koryphäe, die Hilfskraft.

[knotty oracle]

and what about meines Bruders Haus

[stiff kraken]

eig münder

der mund -> die münder

[hollow umbra]

Also exists!

[knotty oracle]

ik it exists but how often is it used

[nova wedge]

How do you say “fangs” like a animal fangs and “to bite” in German?

[hollow pasture]

für solche Fragen kann man ein Wörterbuch nutzen

[magic token]

fangen einfangen wenn man die richtigen Worte kennt

[astral yoke]

zeek spricht von Tieranatomie^^ und -verhalten!

[magic token]

er fängt eine Fliege er/sie/es/wir fangen ... den Ball auffangen

[astral yoke]

Fangs sind Reißzähne mMn aber das kommt auf das Tier an, da gibt es auch spezifischere Worte dafür.

[lunar lynx]

And to bite is beißen

[nova wedge]

It Translate to catches ?

Like I was looking for a word to say the bet has big fangs

Oh never mind that is the word I’m looking for. It’s multi meaning.

[magic token]

yes this means catch, Sorry, I misunderstood the question — I assumed it was referring to the German word fängt.

[nova wedge]

So something like
Die Fledermaus hat große Fängt und beißen der Apfel.

To say something like that, that has big fangs to bite the apple

you did teach me 2 useful words caught and fangs which is funny enough that they are spelled very similar

[keen kelp]

Hii can someone help with something🎀🎀

[magic token]

caught (past tense / past participle of „to catch")

Deutsch: gefangen, erwischt, ertappt

[magic token]

to catch a thief einen Dieb fangen / erwischen

[autumn cipher]

Hi

[nova wedge]

Oh wait I think I looked it up
It “Fangzähne” im looking for

[magic token]

to catch a bus einen Bus nehmen / einen Bus erwischen to catch fire Feuer fangen

[nova wedge]

Animal fangs like their teeth, the sharp teeth

[magic token]

Fangzähne or Eckzähne The lion shows its fangs

[nova wedge]

Danke

[magic token]

gern geschehen anybody help me at the English server

[ivory gale]

What's that?

[frigid tinsel]

I've seen kriegen as another "catch" word.

[nova wedge]

Is this right?
Die Fledermaus hat Flügel und Flug damit.

[astral yoke]

... und fliegt damit

[nova wedge]

Thank you I use the wrong one so many words with f lol there are similar

I said flight

[astral yoke]

Der Flug is what happens if you fly 😉 ...the flight

[frigid tinsel]

I noticed that Letzte is a 'der/die/das' wort. Despite being a noun I guess it's like das Letzte (Buch), der Letzte (Hotelgast) or similar? Like Letzte obviously refers to another word so I'm assuming it takes that other word's gender?

[winter kayak]

yes, it is a nominalised adjective

and if it doesn't "hide" a real thing, it is just 'das Letzte'

[nova wedge]

I always get these mix
Der Vogel ist in Flug.
Der Vogel ist fliegen.
Der Vogel kann fliegt.
Der Vogel hat Flügel.
Der Vogel mit Flügeln.

I feel like you can make a tongue twister with us

[frigid tinsel]

Der Vogel kann fliegt.

Thats wrong.

[nova wedge]

Dang it what’s the right one

[frigid tinsel]

modal verbs take the infinitive.

"kann fliegen", "kann kochen", etc. etc.

[winter kayak]

Der Vogel ist im Flug.
Der Vogel fliegt. (oder Der Vogel ist geflogen.)
Der Vogel kann fliegen.

[nova wedge]

Well, I did mess up. I guess I have to practice more with them.

[frigid tinsel]

Even when I go back to A1 grammar exercises, I'm often get ~80% correct (aka: 20% errors).

Its probably just something I'll have to keep practicing.

I already "know" the material, but "knowledge" is very different from "skill" and the ability to consistently perform.

[knotty mantle]

The following is wrong:
Der Vogel ist fliegen.
You don't need here the auxiliary verb "ist"; you have to konjugate "fliegen" to 3rd Person "fliegt"
-> Correct form: Der Vogel fliegt.

[hollow umbra]

"Meines Bruders Haus" is more literary than "das Haus meines Bruders", which is more common normally

[versed verge]

Corrected list for easy copy-pasting

Der Vogel ist im Flug. (the bird is in flight)
Der Vogel fliegt. (the bird flies)
Der Vogel flog. (the bird flew)
Der Vogel ist geflogen. (the bird has flown)
Der Vogel kann fliegen. (the bird can fly)
Der Vogel hat Flügel. (the bird has wings)
Der Vogel mit Flügeln. (the bird with wings)

[astral yoke]

...wings

[nova wedge]

Last 2 are wings

[astral yoke]

you could also add:
Der Vogel flog. (the bird flew)
🤔

[nova wedge]

Is this right.
Der Vogel hat Flügel und Fliege damit.

[astral yoke]

Let me explain with questions, if you like^^

[astral yoke]

what should be the verb here?

[knotty mantle]

don't capatalize "Fliege" - "Fliege" -> fly ; "fliegen" (Verb) -> flying

[nova wedge]

Fly

[astral yoke]

to fly ... and in German?

[nova wedge]

fliege

[astral yoke]

not quite that would be the fly

[tawny fractal]

Are you not looking these up in a dictionary?

[nova wedge]

No I’m trying to remember them

fliegen?

[astral yoke]

to fly -> fliegen

[nova wedge]

I thought it was flying

[astral yoke]

In German you don't see the difference here between those 2 forms

[nova wedge]

Der Vogel hat Flügel und fliegen damit.

[astral yoke]

Would you write the bird has wings and flying/to fly with them?

[nova wedge]

I thought you can’t say
Der Vogel hat Flügel fliegen.

[astral yoke]

you're right ... not like that...

[frigid tinsel]

That's a funny sentence.

Might happen with like Tom and Jerry cartoon or other surrealist event...

[nova wedge]

I don’t know how you would
Word it then

[jagged quiver]

guys i have been learning for around 7 moths but ill say i am just learning naturally by watching videos than systematically

[astral yoke]

maybe you remember how to build those forms in German:
I fly
you fly
he/she/it flies
🤔

[jagged quiver]

ich fliege

du fliegst?

[nova wedge]

Der Vogel hat Flügel und er fliegen damit.

[jagged quiver]

er fliegt?

sie fliegen wir fliegen

[lunar lynx]

You gotta learn the basic conjugation pattern. Immediately https://germanwithlaura.com/verb-conjugations/

Using the base form for everything is not how it works in German

[frigid tinsel]

The da-words are B1 btw @nova wedge. I'm not saying 'dont use them' but just that it's something above your expected level.

[glacial crag]

yess, these are the correct conjugations of this verb. If you'd like to, you could also watch a video explaining verb conjugation both for regular and irregular verbs :3

[frigid tinsel]

I avoid them for now because I haven't really worked through those exercises yet.

[jagged quiver]

how high is b1 in daily german activity like is it enough?

[jagged quiver]

ja danke

[frigid tinsel]

B1 is low conversational

[jagged quiver]

oh

[frigid tinsel]

Like it's very solid compared to where I'm at and honestly B1 is probably my overall goal as a hobbyist. But it's probably not enough to live in Germany comfortably

If you pass B1 you can get a citizenship IIRC.

Like you couldn't get into a university with just B1.

[glacial crag]

well, it depends on who you'll be interacting with and what type of content you'll be consuming. it's not enough when you'll be dealing with newspapers, fast native speech, novels etc

[jagged quiver]

people say jjumping from a2 to b1 is extremely hard but what abt b1 to b2?

[frigid tinsel]

Every jump doubles the vocabulary.

So yeah, each jump is kinda harder than the last.

But you are also more skilled at a German so you learn German faster each level.

[jagged quiver]

for studies and to be specefic ausbildung not i high mechanical fields, kaufmann.

[glacial crag]

but it isn't beginner level either, you'll be able to have good conversations on familiar topics

[astral yoke]

to fix your sentence:
the bird flies / it flies
der Vogel fliegt / er fliegt
-> Der Vogel hat Flügel und (er) fliegt damit.

[frigid tinsel]

I probably should just go through the da-exercises and learn them at this point. They are clearly very common words.

[glacial crag]

well, not sure about ausbildung requirements tbh, never dived too deep into them. But if I was to guess, you'd probably need b2 at minimum to have a somewhat easier time understanding what's being dictated

[versed verge]

Also, why does 'Flügel' get an 'n' with 'mit'? Is it not already plural? Is it more like "The bird winged its way"? Can you guys use 'Flügel' as a verb like that?

[astral yoke]

we can't

[glacial crag]

if possible, you should get b2 at minimum before travelling to germany for an ausbildung or anything of the sort. Let your level be higher than what's recommened

b1 is probably accepted in some ausbildungs tho, you'll have to do more research on it

[astral yoke]

your question is abt cases...

[astral yoke]

faq cases

[livid steeple]

Cases

Cases
German has four grammatical cases (der Fall or der Kasus in German): nominative, accusative, dative, and genitive. A case alters a noun, pronoun, adjective, etc., in some way to mark its grammatical function in a phrase, clause, or sentence. For example, the main function of the nominative (der Nominativ) case is to mark the subject in a sentence:

Ich liebe die deutsche Sprache!

In this sentence, the pronoun ich represents the first person subject and is in the nominative case. Every noun, pronoun, adjective, etc. has form in every case and it is very important to learn all of them. For example, the accusative form of ich is mich:

Die deutsche Sprache liebt mich!

See >explain adjective declension to get started on that. Don't get discouraged by how much there is, it takes some time master.

To see an explanation of the usages of every case, see their individual articles:
>explain nominative
>explain accusative
>explain dative
>explain genitive

[versed verge]

Ok, cool.

[glacial crag]

yeah da and wo compounds are very common, but I'd also recommend watching a detailed video on the topic to have a good grasp on it paired with exercises

they're easy to understand as long as you're familiar with different prepositions and verbs with fixed preps :)

[nova wedge]

Let see if I can do it right this time

Ich fliege.
Der Vogel fliegt.
Du fliegst.
(Formal) Sie fliegen.
er fliegt.

[astral yoke]

and
sie fliegen (plural)

[magic token]

DATIV: Flügel mask. : singular - dem Flügel (Dem Flügel fehlen Federn) ----- plural den Flügeln

[nova wedge]

Thanks

[shy spire]

How standard is the "possessive/genitive-ish von"? Up until now, I thought it was a growing trend but still a non-standard feature. Now I came across this video and since the channel's name suggests it's focuses on teaching German, I'm not sure anymore

[astral yoke]

There is a (maybe growing) number of ppl saying Genitiv is abt to die (even 5 decades ago):
Der Dativ ist dem Genitiv sein Tod.
🤯

[shy spire]

I hope it doesn't die. It's simple enough and adds a bit of charm to the language ✨

But it's also a fact that Dative is becoming more common (at least based on what I've seen over the years), so perhaps it was included in the standard at some point (or at least accepted in non-formal but still standard writing). I wasn't able to find anything on that, though

[astral yoke]

And in several dialects Genitiv is (almost) never used 🤷‍♂️

[nova wedge]

I was going to write something to practice but it was going to silly

Die Fledermaus hat Fangzähne, und sie beißt die Maus damit.
Ich bin eine Fledermaus, ich habe Fangzähne und ich beiße die Maus damit.

[astral yoke]

sounds good
I'm not very sure abt beißt vs. beisst bc after the Reform of the Reform in German spelling I didn't follow them any more 🤯 .

[nova wedge]

I did not know about beisst
I know frisst for animals

There’s more kinds of eat

I practicing using bit is why I phrase it like that

[astral yoke]

It's not abt eating, though...

[nova wedge]

What beisst use for?

Also a question if there was an animal character like in a show would they say? Ich frisst … ?

[astral yoke]

Ich fresse, du frisst

[nova wedge]

I forget about the other one. I barely use it mostly because I’ve been making sentences for other things.

Also, what’s the be- one for

[astral yoke]

I don't get your question, maybe make an example?

[nova wedge]

Beisst

You said it, and then I wanted to learn more about it

[astral yoke]

this was only abt the usage of ß vs ss, so you just replace them 🤷‍♂️

[nova wedge]

Oh, it does look like isst when you change it lol

[astral yoke]

... sounds different though...

[nova wedge]

True

[teal ibex]

Can someone help me with my german homework?

[astral yoke]

Do you have questions abt it?

[nova wedge]

I wish I had homework for German

[astral yoke]

there are (even free) courses, do you know of them?

[nova wedge]

No I don’t my main motivator was because I was doing what I want to learn. Has been my big motivator. I’ve been liking that so I’ve been motivated to learn things related to bats

[astral yoke]

and they are really impressive with
(Ultraschall ~ sonar)

[nova wedge]

Die Fledermaus hat Ultraschall

?

[astral yoke]

... und flattert durch die Nacht!

Sie hängt sich dann zum Schlafen auf,
solang die Sonne lacht.
😜

[nova wedge]

I know

Die Fledermaus hängt kopfüber in der Höhle und isst gerne Bananen, weil sie so süß sind.
Ich hänge kopfüber in der Höhle mit der Fledermaus, weil ich gerne Fledermäuse mag.

I need to practice with those new words for me

Der Flughund hängt zum Schlafen kopfüber in der Höhle.
Is this right

I did Flughund cuz it’s shorter lol

Flying fox bat

I also know Die Zwergfledermaus
I wish I knew more bats

I don’t know if there is one for das would be cool though

[frigid tinsel]

"weil ich genre Fledermäuse mag" is very off putting to me.

It feels like you are missing another verb, maybe sein?

[nova wedge]

I was told that that was right before but I could be wrong

I believe Genre is a sub verb

[frigid tinsel]

Do you like a specific bat or do you like being a bat?

[nova wedge]

I can’t be a bat silly
But I like bats a lot

[frigid tinsel]

I guess I was expecting you to mean this lol

[nova wedge]

I got into playing as a werebat in dnd I been liking them more

Also like sonar

[nova wedge]

Nein nicht Fledermausmann lol

[heady pumice]

what even is catch of being au pair theres 0 positive thing about it

u are free nanny basically

[thin pollen]

Hello so Im currently half way through the A2 Nicos weg course but my exams are soon and Imma have to pause for a while. Would it be pointless to start some B1 lessons before my exams start since imma pause for a while

Am I going to forget what I would've learnt anyways

[lunar lynx]

pausing while at the beginner level is kinda dangerous imo, since all the info isn't firmly stuck in your head yet, I'd rather advise you still train your german, just less than usual (even, 15 minutes a day sufficies, just be consequent!)

[thin pollen]

yes imma still be consistent with vocabulary but I won't be doing anything besides that

So is it better if I just stop at A2 if Im sure I won't be able to finish the b1 before my exams begin?

[glacial crag]

sorry but I have to
-consistent :) (I assume it's what you wanted to convey)

[lunar lynx]

yes I forgor

[thin pollen]

But the thing is imma have about a month or like 1.5 before my exams start after reaching a2

IT'S ALOT but not enough to finish b1

Might go halfway through so

Do I still learn and pause mid b1 or just leave it till Im done with my exams

[glacial crag]

you can stop learning new material*, but like Fröhlich said, you should everyday less intensively

[lunar lynx]

You can look at some B1 concepts. I'm not a fan of restricting oneself to one level, although that won't really work with Nicos Weg since that one's a linear story

if you skip stuff you wont understand whats happening

[thin pollen]

Hmm tbh I think doing flashcards daily would help with not forgetting what I had learnt

But I don't wanna redo the b1 course again after being halfway lol

[thin pollen]

Yeah def won't skip I just don't wanna speedrun it so I could finish on time

[glacial crag]

holy my english is beyond broken, no sleep + deutschlernen

[glacial crag]

definitely don't speedrun

you'll thank yourself in the long run for taking it slow :]

[thin pollen]

Yeah but like do I stop at A2 or keep going till my exams 😭

cuz the gap is a bit long like imma have 1.5 months left after I finish A2 so

Not enough to finish b1 but is also alot to just wait and do nothing

[glacial crag]

well, that's up to you to decide. It does depend on the time you have daily. If possible, you can learn new words / grammar on the weekends and reserve weekdays for review + active practice

how long do you study german everyday?

[frigid tinsel]

My class ended and I'm not quite ready to renew. My plan is to self study with Grammatik Aktiv, Nico Weg, Anki, self translations etc. etc.

[thin pollen]

depends but atleast about an hour that's if I do vocab only. I would say 2-3 hrs on a good day?

[frigid tinsel]

There seems to be an infinite number of German exercises possible....

I'd say the main question: why not just do less Nicos Weg? Are you so stressed right now you feel like you really need to completely stop?

[thin pollen]

Hmm thing is I'm running out of new words to learn so I would have to keep on going through new lessons to add new words

[thin pollen]

Nah not rn but in a month or two yes I won't be able to and my vocab depends on Nicos weg since that's where I get the new words from

Only a few words left before I only start revising and not learning new ones

[frigid tinsel]

I'm not complete with A2 yet but I'm beginning to understand a lot of things.

[thin pollen]

Thing is b1 is more complext than A2. A2 feels more vocabulary oriented

[frigid tinsel]

A lot of YouTube videos, regular pop songs, reading material....

[thin pollen]

B1 imma need to put in work so I can't just do a lesson every here and there

[glacial crag]

hm okay. Yeah honestly, you should keep learning, just less intensively (like Fröhlich said). If you're willing to, you could lower the number of new words you learn everyday to create additional time for your other skillsets. You'll just need to make a timetable you can follow everyday

[thin pollen]

You think I won't forget the new grammar once my exams start ?

[frigid tinsel]

I feel like if you solidly work at German every day, you even if it's not a course, you'll be good.

[frigid tinsel]

Even if you forget, it makes it easier to relearn later.

Forgetting is just part of the learning process. Learn, forget, relearn. It's how memory works and gets to stick.

[glacial crag]

as long as you learn consistently and sustainably, you'll be fine :)

[thin pollen]

hmm alr I think yeah that's better than just not doing anything at all for a month

[glacial crag]

☝️

[thin pollen]

Worst case scenario I only learn new vocabulary from the lessons even if I forget the grammar n

[frigid tinsel]

At truly A2 level, you probably can do real native books (slowly though).

Like Momo, The neverending story, The Kleine Hobbit.

[glacial crag]

fair warning tho, you should start using your vocab as early as possible to increase your active wortschatz. You'll be very surprised with how hard it is to think of some words as you're speaking / writing to someone, even the most basic words

[frigid tinsel]

Since you'll be slow, you can rely on the fact that it'd take a month of effort to read a book like that lol. Or maybe more.

[thin pollen]

Yeah I don't even write or do anything ngl😭

My passive vocabulary is good atleast but I can't tell what my active vocab is like

[glacial crag]

you'll thank yourself immensely in the future for practicing your output skills

[thin pollen]

Idk I don't work at my output at all ngl

besides thinking in German sometimes

[glacial crag]

you could also try speaking to yourself :)

[thin pollen]

Yeah that too but less often than thinking

[inner garnet]

Jmd deutsch?

[silent plover]

What ending would you add to verbs with "they"

[thin pollen]

en

[idle sable]

none

dictionary form

[silent plover]

Oh
En

Thanks

[thin pollen]

Oh thought they meant they as in plural

[idle sable]

of course irregular verbs exist

sein - dictionary form
sind - they form

[idle sable]

yea

thats what they meant

and what you said was technically right

[thin pollen]

Oh

Alr

[idle sable]

thing is you arent actually adding -en since thats the default dictionary form

[thin pollen]

Ahhh

Now I get what dictionary form meant

[idle sable]

also called infinitiv

[thin pollen]

Yeah ik the infinitiv but it's my first time hearing the other one

Ty

[indigo bear]

My advice would be to continue doing both vocab and grammar practice. Don't worry about whether you get to B1 or not. Your goal during this period will be maintenance of your current knowledge so where you get to doesn't matter. I would suggest that, while you have time now, prepare ahead enough practice material for the busy period. Give yourself a simple schedule of daily tasks to do. Maybe one day you watch a video, maybe another day you write a short text, maybe another day you do a grammar worksheet. Prepare it ahead of time and then it will be easy to do it during the busy period.

[naive marlin]

Hallo zusammen

[wanton ruin]

quick question, im new to german and don't know the difference between: Die, Der, and Das

[oblique snow]

faq gender

[livid steeple]

Grammatical gender

German nouns are sorted in three different genders: masculine, neuter and feminine. These have nothing to do with sex or social gender.
The first thing genders will influence are articles like der, das, die. Each word has its own and you better get it right: some words that look identical can have different meanings depending on the gender they're used with. For example:
die Band = the (musical) band,
der Band = the (book) volume,
das Band = the tape.

Some words, mainly trademarks and loanwords, have multiple acceptable genders while having no change in meaning:
der Jogurt = das Jogurt
das Virus = der Virus
These may vary by region or colloquiality.

💢 But WHY, German, WHY ⁉
Gender is actually quite useful! Since sentence structure is less rigid than in English, grammatical case helps you tell the various elements apart (with some practice), and that works through genders: each gender has its own forms, which makes everything a little less ambiguous. Besides, as you've seen with Band above, it allows us to make up words with different meanings that look the same but are not ambiguous, and if that's not magic, I don't know what is. ✨

🙀 But how am I supposed to tell them apart? 🙀
Check out >explain gender patterns. 😉

[astral yoke]

there^^

[wanton ruin]

thanks

[primal prairie]

Do I need permission to join a vc study group?

[astral yoke]

Have you read the #info esp #getting-started ?

[teal ibex]

Yeah i wonder if i understood the assignment and did it correctly i want somebody to check it with me if possible

[primal prairie]

I did a few days back, I’ll go take another look 👍

[teal ibex]

Is it okay to use both Perfekt and Präteritum in a text or should i stick to only one ? or to Präteritum specifically since it used for written articles news and texts in general?

[thin pollen]

Is there a specific article we use when using "the" for things other than nouns?

eg: the more you work -----

[jade osprey]

Hello there for everyone, I'm starting on this Journey of learning German lol, mostly because I want to, speaking English is among the things I love the most (I'm native spanish speaker), and I'm a huge fan of everything germany-related and Ive always thought, why not? So I would ask you to recommend how to learn? I've started with Duolingo but I have to say, I kind of hate it XD it's just too childish and videogameish

So what kind of media would you recommend to learn the language? I'm thinking more on free stuff because I'm doing this more for the hobby rather than the need

(Also I'm musician so it would be amazing to be able to read Mahler, Wagner, etc. indications on the score without looking up with Google translate lol)

[frigid tinsel]

well, that's je ... desto and it's a special grammar.

Someone else will have to give an example...

In the more general sense: German has different grammar constructs that often take the place of "the", "that" and the like....

[glacial crag]

Might've not understood your question well but, you need to use the je... desto/umso construction

-Je mehr du arbeitest, umso erschöpfter wirst du

in the first clause starting with je, the verb stands at the end while in the second, the verb's at it's normal position, like in a hauptsatz

[frigid tinsel]

https://learngerman.dw.com/en/nicos-weg/c-36519789

[glacial crag]

Sorry, I forgot to reply to this message. First off, welcome to the language :) For media, the goal is to consume content that isn't too hard for your specified level. You do not need to pay for anything to learn, but it wouldn't be a bad idea when you get to a certain level and want to buy, a long novel for example. You can find tons of free and high quality content on youtube and the internet in general :)

The goal's also to simultaneously improve all your skillsets (reading, speaking, listening, writing). It also helps a lot to learn the grammar of the language paired with learning new words everyday, or almost everyday at least. Consistency and time are very important factors when learning a new language, or even anything in general

faq resources

[livid steeple]

Resources

Here's a link to our curated list of resources: https://bit.ly/gladresources. Check out #resources if you want to submit some yourself!

[glacial crag]

faq nicos

[livid steeple]

Nicos

Nicos Weg is a free online program aimed at helping people learn German. It includes video, audio, text, grammar explanations, notes, vocabulary, and exercises. It also includes very useful cultural and bureaucratic information, such as how to open a bank account, while teaching you the relevant grammar and vocabulary.

It’s fairly popular and well-recommended, but keep in mind that you can’t learn a language with only one resource, even if it’s a good one!

You can find the program here: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/nicos-weg/c-36519789

You can also see various other courses for learners by dw.com here: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/overview/

[simple prism]

Hey, I recently had a writing assignment and we're supposed to rewrite it with the noted corrections but there's a sentence I got marked with for missing a word or words but I can't seem to understand what I could be missing

The sentence goes „Sie kochen die Mahlzeiten ihres Schöpfers, wachsen Pflanzen und so weiter" and the note was besides „Schöpfers"

[jade osprey]

Thanks a lot for the response and resources link!

[glacial crag]

my pleasure ^_^

[hollow umbra]

"Sie wachsen die Pflanzen" = "Sie tun Wachs auf die Pflanzen", also Bienenwachs, Bohnerwachs, Kerzenwachs oder so.
They wax the plants.
If you want to say "they grow the plants", it's "sie lassen die Pflanzen wachsen"
Wachsen transitive is to wax.
Wachsen intransitive is to grow.

[indigo bear]

Is there a better phrasing, like using anbauen or anything else? Or is wachsen lassen the best choice?

[hollow umbra]

Yes, anbauen is a good word! "Pflanze" is oddly unspecific, that includes weeds, too. If they do agriculture, perhaps "Sie bauen Getreide an", "Sie pflanzen Gemüse an", "sie treiben Landwirtschaft", or look in the Bible how it's worded there

[indigo bear]

I see.

[hollow umbra]

"Sie kochen die Mahlzeiten ihres Schöpfers" sounds a bit odd, too. "They cook the meals of their creator"?

[indigo bear]

True.

[hollow umbra]

It depends what you want to say

[cobalt aurora]

Wegen des Tourismus fokussierten Ministers, dieses land könnte viele Reiche Menschen zu deren land ziehen

Can we use ziehen here or only anziehen goes right here

[blissful swan]

what im doing wrong?
im supposed to transform the sentence in negative
4 example "i have a book" it becomes "i dont have a book"

[stiff kraken]

meiner ansicht nach sieht das okay aus

vllt ist es erfordert dass du vor beiden nomen die negation stellst

aber ein einzelnes "kein" negiert eh beide

[gusty inlet]

Es ist etwas missverständlich formuliert, wahrscheinlich muss man zweimal "keine" verwenden, oder "weder ... noch"

[blissful swan]

ill try ty🥰

didnt work😞
ig ill leave that exercise

[gusty inlet]

Ich hoffe, es ist nicht der fehlende Satzschluss/Punkt 🫣

[blissful swan]

nope if u look at the end there is already a point

[gusty inlet]

"ziehen" does not work in this context, "anziehen" is better.

You also have a few other mistakes in this sentence, want some assistance with that?

[cobalt aurora]

Thanks. Also yes, that'll be nice

But doesn't ziehen mean to attract or pull something?

I was thinking of meaning it like pulling tourists to that country

[gusty inlet]

It means to pull in a physical sense. "Der Hund zieht an der Leine". You can also use it like "Es zieht mich in den Süden" This is also correct, but this is for the emotional pull you might feel, which is hard to explain.

[cobalt aurora]

Is there a big difference between the trennbare version of ziehen and simply ziehen

Anziehen vs ziehen

[gusty inlet]

"Wegen" as a preposition needs the Genitiv . "Wegen dem" -> "Wegen des".

Tourismus fokussiert: This is a bit tricky, I'd say it's either "auf den Tourismus fokussierten" or "tourismusfokussierten".

You doubled the "Land" part here, which is not necessary. I'd ditch the Nebensatz and go with "könnte dieses Land viele reiche Menschen anziehen"

[cobalt aurora]

Thank you very much

[gusty inlet]

Sorry, I don't really get, what you mean with this question. Anziehen = pull in the sense of attract, "ziehen" = general movement of pulling

[cobalt aurora]

Cant we use ziehen figuratively

Pulling tourists

[gusty inlet]

To say "Die Touristen werden gezogen" or something like that, sounds like they get physically pulled around the block (it also sounds wrong even in that context)

[cobalt aurora]

Oh now i get you

Anziehen seems more widely used for non physical contexts

[gusty inlet]

Especially with others and their emotions. "ziehen" always has a certain force behind it. If you have trouble with something like this, you could also try to look up the words in Duden (online), it's a reliable source even germans consult and it offers examples and explanations on how to use words. Nuance really is difficult to learn and takes time ^^

[sacred night]

Hello, I have exam dtz A2-B1 exam in April, I am very nervous. I appreciate if any one shares tips or model papers to practice 🙏

[astral yoke]

Die Touristen werden von den Monumenten angezogen
Die Monumente ziehen die Touristen an

[gusty inlet]

Das zweite Beispiel ist trotzdem anziehen, aber als Verb in Klammerstellung?

[gusty inlet]

Ich bin mir nicht sicher, was du mir damit jetzt sagen wolltest? ^^

[astral yoke]

Dein Beispiel weiter oben war ohne die Vorsilbe an und ich dachte ich mache mal zwei 'Muster' wie das aussehen kann. 🤔

[gusty inlet]

Achso, ich hab extra nicht "anziehen" benutzt, um die Bedeutung von "ziehen" deutlich zu machen und dass es in diesem Zusammenhang falsch ist. Sorry, falls das nicht rüberkam. 😖

[idle sparrow]

Hello.. need more idea opening presentation on B1 Speaking.

1. Hallo zusammen ( is this polite?)
2. Guten tag meine damen und heren
3. what if both prüfer are male ? or both female? Whats the best to open? Thanks

[astral yoke]

Guten Tag meine Damen und Herren is veeery formal
I'd use either
Hallo zusammen (not very formal)
Guten Tag zusammen (more formal than the above)

[idle sparrow]

Can i say Guten Tag meine Herren? or if both Examiner female. Guten Tag Meine Damen?

[astral yoke]

Yes you can, but it really is very formal if you want to tone it a tiny bit down you just say:
Guten Tag die Damen/Herren (without meine)

[idle sparrow]

Understood thanksss

[frigid portal]

how long would it realistically take me to learn B2 German if I study 1 hour daily without any prior experience of learning languages?

[indigo bear]

Maybe a couple of years.

It varies a lot by person.

[pearl horizon]

was bedeutet beziehungsweise

ich vergesse

bzw

[indigo bear]

Genauer gesagt.

[pearl horizon]

danke

[frigid portal]

say wallahi

[idle sparrow]

Any info where to look ausbildung as hotelfachman / bakery in Deutschland for auslander ?

[haughty wadi]

do you have to manually learn what gender words are over time or does it just eventually make sense?

[astral yoke]

You should learn it from the start^^

[glacial crag]

you'll develop your language intuition overtime as you learn each noun with it's gender :)

[hollow lark]

Is using either "sein gewesen" or "war" a regional colloquial thing or are there cases where one would be preferred? Also what about the cases where both are used, like:

"Mein Vater war auch keiner, der unbedingt immer sehr nett gewesen ist."

[astral yoke]

to me this sentence sounds valid and understandable.

[frigid tinsel]

There are some rules of thumb, but there's probably more exceptions than rule followers.

So its honestly just easier to learn the gener per word.

[scenic obsidian]

It is regional: the north uses the Präteritum "war", the south uses the Perfekt "ist gewesen"

[hollow lark]

there's a map!?

i mean theres always a map for everything lol. Danke.

[scenic obsidian]

for some things

https://www.atlas-alltagssprache.de/suchregister/

[astral yoke]

But even in the south you wouln't put the first part of the sentence as mein Vater ist einer gewesen...

[scenic obsidian]

Why?

[astral yoke]

bc it sounds odd?

[scenic obsidian]

Is there some sort of rule you can extrapolate from this?

In which situations would you use "war" over "ist...gewesen" in the south?

Time for some experimenting:

Mein Vater ist ein Arschloch gewesen.
oder
Mein Vater war ein Arschloch.

Mein Vater hat immer geholfen, aber er ist kein guter Mensch gewesen.
oder
Mein Vater hat immer geholfen, aber er war kein guter Mensch.

Mein Vater ist Arzt gewesen.
oder
Mein Vater war Arzt.

Mein Vater war immer treu und das habe ich immer geschätzt.
oder
Mein Vater ist immer treu gewesen und das habe ich immer geschätzt.

[astral yoke]

No, no, the sentence had 2 'Vergangenheitsformen' and to put both as ist gewesen sounds weird to me

[scenic obsidian]

You mean to have "ist gewesen" twice in a row sounds weird?

[astral yoke]

I'm just thinking abt switching war and ist gewesen -> that sounds valid 🤷‍♂️

[simple prism]

Thanks! The context of the text is that in class we're reading Die unendliche Geschichte and could choose to write a backstory for one of the fantasy races in the book and I chose Winzlinge to be a wizard or witches servant. I intended it to read like "they cook their creators meals, grow plants, and so on" in a section detailing the tasks they perform

[stiff kraken]

ist aufklären ein synonym für erklären?

oder gibt's einen unterschied

[astral yoke]

I'd say it depends ... in military context aufklären is explore e.g. ...