questions-2

[young stag]

Feierabend! Hände klatschen auf die Beine

[sharp vigil]

Why Doesn't "nie" go to the end of the sentence?

[fervent kernel]

Hallo hat jemand Deutsch Akademie besucht?

[spring shard]

Ein moment

[woeful crypt]

because its like you want to tell someone a time when you do something so its in the middel

[sharp vigil]

Huh?

[woeful crypt]

its like time

when someone asks you when do you brush your theeth then you say nie

you understand

[sharp vigil]

Not really

Does it go after the verb?

[woeful crypt]

yes

yes

yes

[sharp vigil]

Get your role from here

[woeful crypt]

ja

schreiben sie mich an

[frosty anchor]

Hello, I can't access the chat room. Can you help me? It says I don't have access.

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[spiral vapor]

faq vc

[stoic mauve]

How to join Voice Chat

Please read the [Roles section](#getting-started message) in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more!

[forest sluice]

hello

[sacred vapor]

hi,come

[frail glacier]

Hello, I can't access the chat or send messages. Can you help me? It says I don't have access.

[half stump]

hello, how do you germans say the affectionate term, honey or sugar

[nova sparrow]

Schatz (treasure)
Schätzchen (little treasure)
would be the most usual ones...
Liebling (sth like love)
and then you have the whole zoo like
Maus/Mäuschen (mouse)
Hase/Häschen (bunny)
Bärchen (little bear)
mostly with -chen -> diminuitiv

[half stump]

thanks a lot Bernie!!

[dawn oxide]

The whole zoo 🤣

[upbeat comet]

Hallo, i would like to ask the position of "nicht" in sentence.
For example: ich arbeite bei BASF.
would be: Ich arbeite nicht bei BASF or Ich arbeite bei BASF nicht. ?

[halcyon willow]

Nicht is unique in that it negates a part of the sentence, for the second phrase, Nicht negates everything that proceeds the word.

In the first sentence, Nicht is negates what is placed after the word.

Both can be correct, but the placement of Nicht can be used to negate certain parts of the sentence, or the whole sentence, and when you want to use it is abit more complicated.
In this case I would say either way is fine, you are negating either the whole phrase, or the object of the phrase.

Nicht can also be used ahead when there isnt a object, but a adverb or adjective you want to negate
For example,
Du bist nicht cool (you are not cool)

Nicht is ahead of the adjective/adverb. Because you are negating what is after Nicht.

You are not negating the entire phrase in this case, because if you did, you would also be negating the (You Are) Du Bist, which you are not trying to do in this phrase. Technically sure, you can, but sounds weird.

[upbeat comet]

Thank you so much.

[upbeat comet]

so in the first sentence nicht negates "bei BASF", while the second negates everything.
also want to ask which would be used frequently? i just want to express the meaning of : i did not work for BASF

[nova sparrow]

@upbeat comet
Please use only the first negated sentence:
Ich arbeite nicht bei BASF.
Because: ich arbeite bei BASF nicht sounds totally off in this case.

[nova sparrow]

Ich habe nicht/nie bei BASF gearbeitet.

[halcyon willow]

Yeah, first phrase in most case will be what is used, and sounds proper.

[upbeat comet]

thanks all.

i was stucked all the night on these position of "nicht".....

now clear

[balmy karma]

Hallo

[velvet merlin]

What's genetiv I'm struggling with it also I don't understand when to use darüber daher oder davon

[plain umbra]

faq genitive

[stoic mauve]

Genitive

The genitive case (der Genitiv) is one of the four cases of the German language. A case affects how a noun or noun phrase is inflected, and indicates the role of the noun or noun phrase in a clause.

How do I decline in the genitive case?

Nouns and adjective declension is completely different compared to the nominative case. Pronoun declension does exist but it is virtually never used. See >explain adjective declension for a full explanation.

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[plain umbra]

faq genitive

[stoic mauve]

When do I use the genitive case?

The genitive case is mainly used:

- to link nouns, especially when showing possession

Dies ist der größte Bahnhof der Welt.
Die Hälfte des Kuchens gehört mir.
Es gibt noch einen Strahl der Hoffnung.

For proper names, the order is reversed and an 's' is attached to the proper name as long as it does not end with an 's' sound.

Deutschlands längster Fluss ist der Rhein.

- to mark the object of very few transitive verbs

Empfindliche Haut bedarf besonderer Pflege.
Heute gedenkt die Nation des Jahrestages der Verfassung.
Wir harren einer Antwort.

- after some prepositions

The following prepositions are commonly followed by the genitive case in written German, but usually with the dative case in spoken German:

(an)statt, trotz, während, wegen

Prepositions denoting position are usually followed by the genitive case:

außerhalb, innerhalb, oberhalb, unterhalb, jenseits

A great number of prepositions that are only used in formal German, such as:

angesichts, bezüglich, einschließlich, fernab, infolge, namens, seitens, zugunsten

- by adverbials of indefinite time

Eines Tages werde ich Deutsch beherrschen.
Sonntags sind wir meist unterwegs.
Eines Nachts hörte ihr Vater sie weinen.

Note the declension in the last sentence. Although it is die Nacht, it assumes a similar form as the rest.

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[plain umbra]

For da-compounds: https://resources.german.lsa.umich.edu/grammatik/da/

Feel free to ask further questions if you get stuck after reading those.

[torpid panther]

(Ich habe keinen Zugang.) Das ist es

[velvet merlin]

Denke

[velvet merlin]

Danke

[feral zealot]

Hello 👋

[radiant helm]

hello

[velvet merlin]

Hello

[cold iris]

"Ich ärgere mich über solche Sachen."

If I want to use "nicht" to make it mean the following "I don’t get angry over those things.", why does the "nicht" not go before the "über?"

My reasoning is that I think "über solche Sachen" is a Präpositionalergänzung, in which case my textbook says to put the "nicht" before it (most of the time). But the website I got the sentence from says to put the "nicht" at the end.

I don't understand why it's a Satznegation instead of a Teilnegation, when you could put a sondern after it I think.

The textbook I'm using is Übungsgrammatik für die Oberstufe-Max Hueber Verlag

[nova sparrow]

You can use both:
Ich ärgere mich nicht über solche Sachen
Ich ärgere mich über solche Sachen nicht
and in both cases you can put a: , sondern
after it.

[plush pelican]

Which one is neutral vs. Which one emphasizes something?

Based on the word order from Grammatik Aktiv, the "neutral" one would be the first?

[nova sparrow]

Yes, I'd think so, and imho it's also more often used, but my "Sprachgefühl" tells me they are equal.

[dawn oxide]

Rlly? I would've said the other one is used more often 😭

Sounds more natural to me

[willow socket]

interestingly, I also would've said the first sounds more natural (learned from Grammatik Aktiv), but my partner thinks nicht at the end is best

[leaden burrow]

Hi guys can i ask whats the best study ressources to master Grammer

[willow socket]

Grammatik aktiv

It’s a book with 2 volumes, very very good

[glass hawk]

There's no best resource really, but I very much appreciate Hammer's German Grammar & Usage—very thorough. It's more a reference book than anything else though—not something you'd tend to work through from front to back.

[willow socket]

There is a best: Grammatik Aktiv 😎

[glass hawk]

It's a fair entry into the arena, I'll give you that 😛

[plain umbra]

I would recommend to be open to reading a variety of resources each time you cover a topic. That leads to getting the most well rounded grammar knowledge.

Also, do worksheets and practice writing.

[cold iris]

Danke.

[nova sparrow]

Keine Ursache, gern geschehen!

[drifting cypress]

Ich habe eine Frage, ist die Verwendung von Präpositionen hauptsächlich mit Substantiven verbunden oder hängt sie vom Verb ab?

[night dagger]

beides

[drifting cypress]

[night dagger]

Es gibt sogenannte feste Verb-Nomen-Präposition-Kombinationen

[median river]

Hallo

[nova sparrow]

Hallo zurück 😉

[median river]

Hello

[nova sparrow]

I recently saw your introduction: if you're searching sb to chat, you can look into General discussion. #general

This area here#questions-2 is meant to ask questions abt German.
If you have a question, then ask away. ☺️

[median river]

Thanks

[nova sparrow]

yvw 🙇‍♂️

[vestal girder]

hello guys i started laerning german 3 days ago any books recommandations or advise anything helps danke

[near folio]

This server has a curated list of resources with some suggestions to textbooks and other books. It's found in #resources, but here is a direct link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J5PJK0qStw2DHQHdRHuKIfq_bJrZkFarQVT7fkz13tg/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.84ua51tyvz2z

[weak needle]

Könnte jemand hier mein Schreiben überprüfen ? B2

[pseudo breach]

Hey

Im at end of my A2.1 book
I made like 2500 vocabulary flashcards
But when I browse them I forgot a huge chunk
So I'm thinking of two options:

A-Forget about them get A2.2 book and keep progressing while making & focusing on new vocab

B-Rechange the decks into sentences instead of single words (English sentence on front, german on back) but will take time to make and memorize/review them

Personally I feel option B is better

[willow socket]

Option C: keep practicing them while continuing to A2.2.

If you use a software like Anki, it will take care of spacing them out properly and portioning them per-day for you.

Though I would recommend adding example sentences to your cards.

if you combine the power of moving on to encounter the words more often in the wild and flashcard-drilling, you'll see the best effects. If you're trying to learn 2500 words at once with just flashcards, no wonder you're having trouble. The flashcards should be supporting you, not your main vocab tool.

[pseudo breach]

ty

[vestal girder]

this is pure gold

[nova sparrow]

Oh, und bitte nicht in mehreren Kanälen gleichzeitig die Anfrage absetzen 🙏

[pseudo breach]

Hi

Ich habe es geschaft
rechzeitig fertig zu werden

this as whole translates to "I managed to finish on time"

but I dont understand whats happening on the second sentence

rechteitig : in time
Fertig zu werden : to become finished

[glass hawk]

You basically have the meaning of the components, and you have the translation as a whole. What specifically don't you understand?

[pseudo breach]

doesn't rechzeitig complete the meaning ?

Ich habe es geschafft rechtzeitig

[glass hawk]

Depending on the context, ‘Ich habe es rechtzeitig geschafft’ (note that ‘geschafft’ comes at the end; you can only put rechtzeitig after in your original example because rechtzeitig is in a new clause) could be enough to get a similar idea across. In some contexts, it might not work without the longer phrasing though. Do you have additional context beyond that one sentence?

[pseudo breach]

ah ok so the rest of sentence is there to complete the new claus by rechtzeitig

[glass hawk]

But in terms of the specific example you asked about, we're working with the phrase ‘es schaffen, etwas zu tun’—‘to manage to do something’. So ‘es schaffen’ becomes ‘Ich habe es geschafft’ in the first clause, then the second clause is ‘etwas zu tun’ (to do something) replaced by what exactly you managed to do, which is ‘rechtzeitig fertig zu werden’—‘to finish up in time.’ The second clause is the specific action you managed, basically.
Could also, for example, say ‘Ich habe es geschafft, rechtzeitig nach Hause zu kommen.’

[pseudo breach]

danke schön

[untold ridge]

I've asked this to a couple other people but I'm still confused on it

What's the main context difference between Im, In, and Ins?

[rich prism]

im = in dem
ins = in das

[stray shell]

dang so nice to see lolol still actuve

[bleak forge]

dayum

[meager ore]

I need anyone that can teach me Germany

Free to dm me

[plain umbra]

faq teach me

[stoic mauve]

Can anyone teach me German

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[tulip skiff]

what's the difference between "was macht ..." and "was kostet ..."?

also only nouns are capitalized right? not pronouns

so was was only capitalized there because it was at the start of a sentence

[plush pelican]

Well, the formal you (Sie) is capitalized.

And also its possessive form, oddly enough

So like

Ich gebe dir deine Tasche.
I give you your bag. (Informal you)

Ich gebe Ihnen Ihre Tasche.
I give you your bag. (Formal you)

[tulip skiff]

is this to distinguish it from sie meaning she?

or is it just because

[tepid vault]

yes

Sie = you formal
sie = she / they

[tulip skiff]

ugh

[nova sparrow]

diene (up to now) or diente (somewhere in the past)

Okay, let's look at informal she sie
and formal you Sie

It's important to get this right:
If you're addressing (in a formal way) several individuals
OR
if you're (formally) addressing a single individual you use
Sie

[buoyant cairn]

Hello everyone

[winter shard]

hello

[worthy lynx]

Hallo

[eternal ruin]

"Ich muss mich auf meine Arbeit vorbereiten." Ist die Grammatik korrekt?

[nova sparrow]

Ja, das klingt perfekt.

[lavish badge]

Is there any easy way to learn nominativ,akkusativ and dativ

[plain umbra]

Do you mean the declension? Or do you mean when to use them?

[lavish badge]

Declension

[plain umbra]

Yes, that is fairly straight-forward to learn. But you should learn it one case at a time.

Do you know the nominative articles already?

[lavish badge]

Yes

[plain umbra]

And what about accusative?

[lavish badge]

I mean I got the concept but

Memorizing is tough

[plain umbra]

Okay, so...

The trick of accusative, is that it's identical to nominative, except for masculine.

So if you know nominative, then to learn accusative, you only need to learn masculine accusative.

Does that make sense?

[lavish badge]

Yes

And

About spreche

Can you have any tips for speaking properly without maybe translating in head

[plain umbra]

To memorise the whole declension ruleset, you can use this document:

faq adjective declension

[stoic mauve]

Adjective Declension

A Brief Guide to Memorizing German Noun and Adjective Declension by Basementality
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jWl5-kkqF3FQLDzrz8XLBJj7hvPFQK7MT5SYEDGK65E/edit

[plain umbra]

But if you're a beginner, I would recommend to go very slowly. Save adjectives for later and just start with the articles for now.

[plain umbra]

That just improves with practice. There's not really any trick to it.

Translating in your head is fine though. Don't stress if you still have to do that for a while.

As long as you keep practicing, it will improve on its own.

[lavish badge]

Do you have any worksheet for artikel?

[plain umbra]

https://www.nthuleen.com/teach/grammar.html

[worthy lynx]

How do I know when to use “Ich auch”, “Mir auch” and “Ich mich auch”, like what do I have to look for in the context to know which one to use?

[plain umbra]

It depends on the sentence you're replying to.

You just match the pronoun(s) of the original sentence.

Ich sehe einen Hund. I see a dog.
Ich auch. I (see a dog) too.

Der Hund sieht mich. The dog sees me.
Mich auch. (The dog sees) me too.

[worthy lynx]

Oh-k

[jade hawk]

Eine Frage was das Wort "Pillepalle" angeht. Sind diese zwei Übersetzungen von dict.cc richtig? Laut DW https://learngerman.dw.com/de/das-pillepalle/a-48252032 bedeutet dieses Wort etwas Unwichtiges/Nebensächlichkeit und der Beispielsatz stellt es als ärgerlich dar.
Im Gegenteil, dict.cc, mit seinen "piece of cake" und "easy-peasy" sagt mir, dass Pillepalle etwas Leichtes ist. So sieht es auch bei diesem gelöschten Benutzer, aber ich weiß nicht, ob der ein Muttersprachler war und es richtig verwendet hat

[zealous thunder]

Ich finde, die DW Erläuterung bringt es ganz gut auf den Punkt. "„Pillepalle“ wird umgangssprachlich eine unwichtige Kleinigkeit beziehungsweise Nebensächlichkeit bezeichnet. Ein Wort wie „Pillepalle“ benutzt man beispielsweise dann, wenn man sich über Nebensächlichkeiten aufregen will: ....".
Die "easy-peasy" und die "a piece of cake" Übersetzung, die ja eine englische Redewendung ist, die so etwas wie "sehr einfach, mühelos" bedeutet, sind auch richtige Übersetzungen z.B. "Der Test heute war pillepalle".
Es ist halt Umgangssprache und ist daher schwer zu erklären, aber die DW Übersetzung fasst es gut zusammen.

[wise hinge]

I recently submitted a request for Telc to send me a Duplikat des Zertifikats directly, the exam was 3 months ago and the school still managed to lose my certificate and provided zero help in this regard, in the request i submitted i didn't provide the Prüfungsnummer is this acceptable by telc ?
And how long does it take to send it although i have specified that i have Ausländerbehörde termin very soon and i did the 40 euro payment and ready to pay extra if it would make the process faster.

[brazen mesa]

Jemand empfahlen eine Gute podcast auf Youtube für A1/A2?

[willow socket]

if the school lost your certificate, they should be liable and responsible for securing a new one. You should have already threatened legal action and pursued it if they failed to respond in a reasonable time frame. It sounds more like they fucked something up and there was no result to begin with, otherwise why wouldn't they have immediately ordered a new one upon realizing they were missing a vital document which you paid for???

At the very least they should provide you with an official proof that you took the course and exam. Idk how it's possible that they would have no record of the score, even if they lost the certificate. it honestly sounds like you got scammed, and the fact they are "zero help" confirms it.

[plush pelican]

Saw this line in a book:

»Ich werde meine Taten wiedergutmachen«, fauchte Jakob, dem die Stimme brach.

What's the difference between this and "dessen Stimme brach" or "wobei seine Stimme brach"?

[plain umbra]

Is it the body part thing?

[plush pelican]

Dative of possession, yes, seems like it

Ihm brach die Stimme

Idk that I've seen it used in combination with a relative pronoun before, though 🤔

And then a few pages later, it happens again, but this time it's subtler and harder to realize what's happening:

Wieder fühlte er, wie ihm sein Mageninhalt die Kehle heraufstieg, dabei erschien es ihm kaum möglich, dass sein Magen überhaupt noch irgendetwas enthielt. Ein langer Faden bittere Galle hing von seiner Lippe, als er den Müll vom Tisch fegte, dem noch murmelnden Kopf einen Schubs gab, dass er über den staubigen Boden rollte, um dann hastig Krebbs großes Buch der Illusionen aufzuschlagen und mit zwei galleverklebten Fingern zur richtigen Seite zu blättern.

This book also uses "dass" = sodass, which is a fun little thing

[plain umbra]

Interesting.

[plush pelican]

dass = sodass is listed in DWDS as a valid definition

And then a few pages later, they do use dessen!

Ich hoffe, es war nicht zu schwierig«, sagte Frigo, dessen Gesicht im Feuerschein glänzte, während Sunny zusah, wie er mit seinem Schieber wieder einen Laib Brot in den Ofen verfrachtete.

I should note this is a German translation of a book originally written in English, that might make a difference.

[languid glen]

Anyone knows if using the streaming website ororo.tv is allowed in Germany? I mean, it is not free, you pay a monthly subscription and I was using it for 10 years before moving here. I have Netflix, Amazon, Disney+ , but there are a lot of shows which are not on these streaming platforms. Would I get into a trouble if use it? Maybe there is a list of websites that are legal for streaming?

[delicate tiger]

Piracy is not legal, but unless you are uploading/hosting (including torrenting) not prosecuted

[mental vector]

You got it! It’s not “whose voice broke” but “to whom/ for whom the voice broke”

Sometimes German does this like “Ich wasche mir die Hände” or “Das geht mir nicht aus dem Kopf”

Instead of saying meine Hände or meinen Kopf, you use the dative case and the definite article of the noun.

I think it’s called an ethical dative

[mental vector]

Im curious about this. What’s the subject of the highlighted relative clause? Wer oder was gab dem Kopf einen Schubs? Or is it a continuation of the subordinate clause “als er… fegte und dem Kopf… gab” ?

[plush pelican]

I'm not entirely sure 😅

[regal wave]

this is...interesting. (wtf????)

it makes no sense.

[plush pelican]

Now I feel better about not fully understanding it 🤣

[regal wave]

if you know the context, perhaps it does.

but on the level of syntax it makes no sense.

and with the information given by means of the words I can't infer a meaning from it D:

[plush pelican]

The wizard is trying to break a spell on him that compels him to obey the female pope, but his attempt fails, he starts vomiting strongly (the spell brings on intense vomiting when you try to break it) and then gets punched in the face by a little girl. And then he has to obey the commands of a monk, who tells him to help the rest of the party, who are trapped in an illusion trap laid by an illusionist in an abandoned house.

you know, simple stuff 😄

[regal wave]

are we basically Harry Pottering? 😄

[plush pelican]

Joe Abercrombie'ing

[regal wave]

huehue

[plush pelican]

The only person who touches him at any point is the little girl punching him in the nose as he fails his attempt to break the spell

@regal wave what about the original question?

[plush pelican]

this question

[regal wave]

ah, er gab dem noch murmelnden Kopf einen Schubs

...this is actually easy >_>

[plush pelican]

oh wait

[regal wave]

its just unintuitive

[plush pelican]

there is a chopped off head that they are using as a walkie-talkie

it might be referring to that head as well

between him (outside the abandoned house) and the majority of the party inside the house

[regal wave]

this is frankly just bad writing

[plush pelican]

you mean bad translation? The original is of course English, this is the German translation

(which interestingly enough was released at the same time as the English version 🤔 )

[regal wave]

.......dude XD

[plush pelican]

One gets the feeling that Abercrombie and his publisher are trying really hard to make a book directly with the intent to sell it to be made into a Marvel-esque team movie

[regal wave]

(also this was supposed to go to "this is a translation")

[plush pelican]

It reads like a Marvel movie

except with a lot more gore and darker themes

[plush pelican]

So yeah, what about this question?

[regal wave]

there are differences

the genitive/dative thing is something I frankly (being an amateur insofar that I never studied my own language) can only speculate on. My gut feeling is that the dative use is more immediate, the genitive (dessen...) feels more descriptive. the last option is breaking the mode of narration and I don't know why you included it as a "choice".

"wobei" means that something happens at the same time while doing something else

so we're elsewhere by means of narrative voice

[plush pelican]

well, in English, we would've used a gerund thingy there: "he hissed, his voice breaking"

and the "wobei (verb)" is one option that imitates the progressive gerund thingy

[regal wave]

"I shall redeem my deeds", Jakob, [...] <- you want the verb to be inserted here,?

[plush pelican]

?

"I shall redeem my deeds", Jakob hissed/snarled, his voice breaking.

[regal wave]

🤔

[plush pelican]

his voice isn't breaking after he says that, sondern during

[regal wave]

ja

[plush pelican]

Or how do you interpret the original text?

[regal wave]

(...first time in a decade having a hiccup, eww this is weird)

[plush pelican]

If the two actions are happening simultaneously, why is "wobei seine Stimme brach" different and "breaking the mode of narration"? I understand "wobei seine Stimme brach" as just another way of saying the same thing, namely, that the two actions are happening simultaneously.

I don't understand

or what about "wobei ihm die Stimme brach"?

I don't understand what the issue is, isn't this a valid usage of "wobei" to mean two actions are happening simultaneously?

[regal wave]

I don't understand what the issue is, either.

What is your issue?

this is a weird usage, if you want to just state a matter of fact

[plush pelican]

In the original text, when it says "fauchte Jakob, dem die Stimme brach", those things are happening simultaneously, yes?

[regal wave]

absolutely

he did while his voice was breaking

[plush pelican]

and to say, "fauchte Jakob, wobei ihm die Stimme brach", for example, that would mean something different somehow?

Is it a difference of like writing tone/register or something?

does it mean that the actions themselves are different/happen in a different order than the original text?

You said there is a difference, but I don't understand what the difference is

[regal wave]

this is functionally identical to "während", but it opts for a more immediate mode of voice, I think

I'd never use wobei in this sense, but it makes sense

[plush pelican]

So the examples from Hammer's German Grammar, you'd never use "wobei" like that?

[regal wave]

I don't know these examples and, frankly, when would you even use "Wobei`" in 2025?

(you'd not use it here)

[plush pelican]

Are you saying using "wobei" sounds old-fashioned?

[regal wave]

yes

[plush pelican]

You're speaking as if I have a Sprachgefühl for it, which I don't. I have grammar knowledge 😄

[regal wave]

isn't that actually ideal? 😄 I have a feeling, you have a will for rationalization

[plush pelican]

Can I ask if some other examples of "wobei" from this book sound natural?

[regal wave]

Can I ask for the book' s bibliographical information?

[plush pelican]

Sie zog sich ein Gebetstuch von einem Stand, als der Händler gerade nicht hinsah – für ihre Begriffe fiel das nicht unbedingt unter Diebstahl, sondern unter Reflex –, wickelte es sich um den Kopf und mischte sich unter die Büßenden, wobei sie sich alle Mühe gab, ebenfalls möglichst durchdringend zu jammern. Das war schon allein deswegen nicht weiter schwierig, weil ihr Bein heftig pochte und sie das Kribbeln der Gefahr im Nacken spürte.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0DLP34956

[regal wave]

this one is totally fine

wobei here would be = während dem

[plush pelican]

Die Dirigentin des Himmlischen Chors lächelte wie eine gütige Großmutter auf sie herab. »Ich glaube nicht, dass das eine große Rolle spielt …« Balthazar konnte seinen Unterkiefer nur mit Mühe dazu bringen, nicht bis aufs Brustbein herunterzuklappen. Diese Frau gehörte angeblich zu den weisesten Magierinnen in ganz Europa! Und jetzt stellte sich heraus, dass sie eine schlimmere Stümperin war als der verdammte Sukastra von Bivort. »Aber vielleicht so etwas wie …« Sie nahm den juwelenbesetzten Kreis, den sie um den Hals trug, und begann ihn gedankenverloren an ihrem Ärmel zu polieren, wobei sie zur Decke hinaufsah, als ob sie erst in diesem Augenblick wirklich darüber nachdachte. Die alte Ziege erfand die Zaubersprüche einfach aus dem Stegreif!

[plush pelican]

während dem?

[regal wave]

let us not think further for the question at hand

[plush pelican]

https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/waehrenddem_binnen_inmitten_waehrend

Gebrauch: landschaftlich

🤔

[regal wave]

😄 told you to skip gen/dat wonderworld

[plush pelican]

Der Hübsche mit der Rüstung war wieder auf den Beinen, und das war schon bewundernswert, wenn man bedachte, dass ihm der angebissene Arm schlaff herunterhing und er schluchzte. Er hatte eine wichtige Lehre vermittelt bekommen. In einer Minute war man auf dem Hof die große Nummer, und eine Minute später hängt einem das Gesicht in roten Streifen runter und Blut läuft aus dem leeren Nasenloch. Sie sprang ihn an, und jetzt bekam sie seinen Kopf richtig zu fassen, nicht nur mit den Spaßzähnchen, sondern mit den Knochenknackern weiter hinten im Gebiss, und sie schüttelte ihn wie einen Lumpensack, wobei seine Rüstung klapperte wie der Wagen eines Pfannenhändlers, der über eine Klippe stürzt – etwas, das sie einmal mit angesehen zu haben glaubte.

[regal wave]

here wobei and während are literally synonyms...I do find the choice of word, frankly, interesting

wobei is mostly "while it happens"

"während dies geschieht"

it is totally old-fashioned if you write 😄

[plush pelican]

Jakob wirkte jedenfalls nicht besonders eingeschüchtert. »Sehr …«
»Sagt jetzt nicht frettchenhaft.«
»… wild entschlossen, aber ich denke, für Euch wäre es besser …« Er nahm ihr Handgelenk und drückte es nach unten, wobei sich der Dolch so drehte, dass die Klinge an ihrem Unterarm zu liegen kam. »Eure Gegner sollten erst merken, dass Ihr eine Waffe besitzt, wenn Ihr sie ihnen in den Bauch stoßt. Jetzt macht Euch mal ein bisschen kleiner und zieht ein ängstliches Gesicht. Könnt Ihr ein paar Tränen vergießen?«

I'm not sure if that last one is "wobei" as a conjunction or not, at least, in the sense that I mean it, an equivalent of a progressive tense thingy in English 🤔

[regal wave]

its always an adverb, I think.

while doing so

(or while being so)

which also makes perfekt sense in your quotation

[plush pelican]

Sein Blick wanderte zu der besagten Marionette, aber die sogenannte Prinzessin Alexia Pyrogennetos war völlig davon absorbiert, angestrengt Buchstaben auf einen Fetzen Papier zu kritzeln, wobei sie sich vor Konzentration die oberen Vorderzähne über die Unterlippe geschoben hatte; eine verschmierte Tintenspur zog sich über die hellen Sommersprossen ihrer Wange.

There is so much "wobei" in this book, it hadn't occurred to me that it could be seen as old-fashioned

[regal wave]

what is that book lol

[plush pelican]

I already linked it

The Devils, Joe Abercrombie

[regal wave]

also authors are authors 😄

[plush pelican]

I feel I've seen it in a number of books. Although admittedly, I read mostly Fantasy, which can sometimes use old-fashioned words for stylistic reasons

[regal wave]

ah totally

I operate from a default position of academic writing

which tries to get rid of aeshtetics, usually

[plush pelican]

Here is an example from the German translation of "The Long Way To A Small, Angry Planet", a sci-fi book:

»Das hier«, sagte Corbin, wobei er mit seinem knochigen Zeigefinger auf den Scribus zeigte, »soll wohl ein Scherz sein.«

[regal wave]

yah, makes sense

"while/ by means of doing so" = wobei

[plush pelican]

In English, you would translate that by using a -ing gerund thingy

[regal wave]

if you file the word as "it exists in narration" I don't see it ever being a problem.

[plush pelican]

"This here", said Corbin, pointing with his bony pointer finger at the Scribus, "must be a joke."

[regal wave]

there's no way you'd ever use it in an actual conversation (...probably.)

[plush pelican]

So "wobei" sounds literary/old-fashioned?

[regal wave]

just file it as written German

(literary written)

[regal wave]

no

[brazen dawn]

hii

[pseudo breach]

Hello

Is there a resource containing lots of data to practise speaking it / different sentences templates

I want to improve my speaking but I cant do that by speaking to myself as I keep repeating the same sentences

[willow socket]

what do you mean? If you want to practice speaking sentences, you can just read them from any written material? Or copy sentences from videos?

[pseudo breach]

they give you limited input

if you want to improve your speaking skills well you need many different sentences templates

[willow socket]

And you don't feel that the sentences other people speak or write would provide you with enough variety?

[pseudo breach]

Well my resources are mostly A2 level I dont have for B1-B2

[willow socket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhuNW1COrSM

for example: repeat each sentence of this video after they say it

[pseudo breach]

there are lots of sentences structures like
Nicht nur.....sondern
Sowohl.....als auch
Konjunktiv 2

I follow this channel but I dont hear them use such sentences

[willow socket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnBzBQ3lc7s

alles was du aufgelistet hast sind Doppelkonnektoren -- außer Konjunktiv II (das findet man in fast jedem Video)

[pseudo breach]

they were just an example

[plain umbra]

If you want specific structures, I would recommend to try using textbooks for that.

They tend to present that kind of info in an ordered and sensible way.

[pseudo breach]

good suggestion thx

[jade hawk]

Was ist die Konnotation von "lass stecken"? Etwas wie "schwamm drüber" oder wirkt es mehr als ob der Sprecher geärgert wäre?

[worthy lynx]

Unrelated question but anyone know how to reduce school workload burnout?..tips are very needed.

[willow socket]

Do less work, take time off

[spiral vapor]

Hello language lovers
I came across an old ad for a shower gel in Polish that uses the word "Duschbad" with the meaning of shower gel
The word that is used today is "Duschgel" and according to Duden "Duschbad" has a completely different meaning but I wonder why the other meaning is not noted as it seemingly was used

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duschgel -- here Duschbad is referenced too

fun fact: the word for shower gel didn't exist in Polish back then so the German term was used in the ad

[spiral vapor]

@earnest arch french question, does "douche" on its own can mean a shower gel too? or was it used like that in the past?

[earnest arch]

No only "gel douche". Douche alone is a shower

[worthy lynx]

wish I could tbh

[twin robin]

Hallo Leute!

Könnte jemand mir bitte erklären: wann sollte man diesen Wörter benutzen?

Saubermachen, putzen, reinigen, aufräumen.

ich weiß, dass sie ähnlich, aber unterschiedlich sind. Ich würde gerne wissen, wann welches Wort richtig verwendet wird.

[teal cliff]

aufräumen => putting stuff back to where it belongs
saubermachen, putzen, reinigen are synonyms i think

reinigen can also mean to cleanse i believe

saubermachen just literally means make clean

[nova sparrow]

Es kommt wirklich auf den Kontext an: Es kann heißen

• lass uns nicht mehr darüber sprechen
• Das brauchst Du nicht noch mal erzählen, ich weiß schon Bescheid
• Nicht der Rede wert
• Schwamm drüber ( wie Du schon erwähnt hast)
• Hey, ich kann das ohne deine Hilfe regeln

[nova sparrow]

Just do homework regularly and not only if you feel like it 😮

[worthy lynx]

Aight

[nova sparrow]

you know I was only learning for tests myself, but that's not getting you optimal results
learning at a regular base keeps you prepared better...

[worthy lynx]

Kk, danke

[livid panther]

es gibt auch dieses video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_cxgBBE6iA

[wide crater]

hä, ich bin 20 und benutze das noch

[tribal sand]

this is objectively a stupid question, but just out of curiosity—how known is the musical “cabaret” in germany? i rewatched it for the millionth time recently, and i’ve always wondered what the germans would think if it.

[mental vector]

Als nicht mehr so junger Knabe geschieht dies bei mir ebenfalls an jedem Tage.

[gusty silo]

regrettably i cant tell you the answer to this, but i can make a side note that the word cabaret itself (Kabarett in german) seems much more common in german than in english, but usually refers to politically/socially oriented satire/comedy (overlaps with stand-up comedy nowadays i'd say?)

this may be a minuscule addition to your knowledge about german, this could also be a hurdle in trying to ask germans about the topic, because they may imagine something specifically different

[hollow forge]

Not stupid at all 😅 that’s actually a really interesting question I’ve heard a few mixed takes from people there. Wanna know what they usually say?

[tribal sand]

yes i would… very much so…

[hollow forge]

Cool So from what I’ve seen, Germans know Cabaret, especially theater lovers, but it’s not as iconic there as it is in the U.S. Some people love the style and music, but others find it a bit over-the-top or dated. It’s kind of one of those musicals that sparks mixed reactions depending on who you ask
Honestly, I’d love to hear your take after watching it so many times

[crimson leaf]

Why is 'Wüste' in the title "Der Tod in der Wüste" masculine all of a sudden? It really bothers me 💔

[plush pelican]

It isn't, it's in dative case

[crimson leaf]

Ofcourse it is 😞

[plush pelican]

(feminine, dative case) = der
(masculine, nominative case) = der

[crimson leaf]

Im going to bomb these articles i still understand nothing

[plush pelican]

It's like how masculine "ein" and neuter "ein" look the same in nominative case

ein Kind (das Kind)
ein Junge (der Junge)

German unfortunately re-uses stuff, which can lead to confusion

The preposition "in" forces its (object of the preposition) to either be in dative case or accusative case. Here, it requires dative case, and "die Wüste" is the (object of the preposition)

https://www.germanveryeasy.com/article-declension

[silk hornet]

Viele Dank

[small path]

This image is for “the” in the English language right?

Or a form of descriptive word along the line of that/the/their right?

[small path]

Never mind I solved my issue thanks for providing this sheet

[twin robin]

vielen Dank!

[twin robin]

Ich liebe die Videos von diesen Männern 🙂 Luzi und Johannes sind so nett und hilfreich.

[livid panther]

Ich auch, sie haben mir ziemlich viel geholfen

[wide nymph]

Hallo liebe Leute, ich habe eine Frage; Ich bin auf dem B2 Niveau, habe aber ein Problem mit dem Thema "nomen-verb Verbindungen". Es gibt sehr viele davon, ungefähr 1000 oder sogar mehr. Meine Frage ist also: Muss ich wirklich alle lernen oder nur die wichtigsten ?

[jade hawk]

Darf ich eine Leitplanke ein Geländer nennen oder hört sich das seltsam an

[robust glade]

Eher seltsam. Man würde zwar verstehen, was du meinst, aber bei einem Geländer denke ich eher an etwas Unsichereres (also halt etwas, was Menschen schützt und nicht Fahrzeuge)

[jade hawk]

Danke

[rustic dock]

duschbad is still a very common term for shower gel

[spiral vapor]

Can I know which part of Germany you're from?

[rustic dock]

thuringia

[spiral vapor]

hmm, interesting

[fervent kernel]

Hallo, hat jemand hier Erfahrung mit Italki? Wie war es? Würdest du es weiterempfehlen?

[teal cliff]

noch nie gehört LOL

[teal cliff]

kommt wahrscheinlich auf den lehrer an

[rustic dock]

where i live that's like the main word we say for it LOL

i don't even know another one

what do you call it?

[teal cliff]

shampoo?

😭

[rustic dock]

das ist für die haare

wie heißt das für den körper

[teal cliff]

shampoo

😭

oder duschgel

[rustic dock]

🤨

[teal cliff]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spiral vapor]

und wo wohnst du?

mein Freund kommt aus BaWü und kannte den Begriff 'Duschbad' auch nicht

[teal cliff]

österreich

[spiral vapor]

jaaa okay

@worldly tinsel wie sagt man Duschgel in Österreich
ihr habt bestimmt ein lustiges Wort dafür

[teal cliff]

wenns ich doch gerade gesagt hab

😭

hoarwoschmiddü ginge auch

koobfwoschbuiwa

[worldly tinsel]

ausnahmsweise ned. Einfach Duschbad

[teal cliff]

wtf?

[worldly tinsel]

oder halt Duschbod im Dialekt

[teal cliff]

hawara wöcha mensch nennd aso eps duschbod ? 😭

[worldly tinsel]

Also bei uns olle

[spiral vapor]

omg

die österreicher sind unentschieden

[teal cliff]

va wo bist du nuamoi 😭

[worldly tinsel]

Soizbuag

[teal cliff]

hons vagässa duadma laad goi

[teal cliff]

va da stod??

[worldly tinsel]

nana, Gott sei Donk ned

[teal cliff]

wo gäsd hi boist an naichn hoaschnied hom wüist?

(i mechad netta wissa wiast des wuat song duast)

[spiral vapor]

schwäbisch ischs wahre

[worldly tinsel]

wia moansd? do geht ma oafoch zum frisör oda?

[teal cliff]

sogst du frisör oda friseer?

[worldly tinsel]

friseer

[teal cliff]

vastä

jo na geit aunschainend an untaschiad ba mauchi de wos »friseer« song vs de de wos »hoarschnaida« song

i sog olli zwoa eingi 😭

is ma hiaz netta aigfoin waimma ywa hoar und schampoo gredt homd

[worldly tinsel]

hoarschneida hob i no nia gsog

[rustic dock]

siehste!!!!!

[teal cliff]

ich sehe gar nixe

[balmy axle]

LMAO

[balmy axle]

"der glatzentischler"

[teal cliff]

😂😭😭😭

[balmy axle]

https://tenor.com/view/kittenpopo-goober-cat-gif-25003695

[plush pelican]

From a book. The two characters have been shipwrecked and landed on a coast, but one of them lost his pants in the process:

»Na schön.« Baptiste nickte grimmig. »Dann gehen wir nach Osten. Finden erst einmal heraus, wo wir sind. Besorgen uns Vorräte.« Sie warf ihm einen Blick zu. »Und dir vielleicht auch ein paar Hosen.«

I feel like this is a translation error, but a subtle one. Wouldn't "ein paar Hosen" in German mean multiple pairs of pants?

But I'm fairly certain the original English sentence said something like, "And we'll get you some pants", which is meant actually as singular, one pair of pants.

[willow socket]

Ein Paar Hosen = eine Hose

But it should be capitalized I believe

[rustic dock]

yes

lowercase it would mean multiple pairs of pants

capitalized it means just one

[charred mist]

im in the weather unit, is there a wrong way to describe the weather like ( es ist heute sonnig ) or ( es ist sonnig heute ) or are they all correct

[crude raft]

the two options you mentioned are both completly fine :))

[rustic dock]

first one sounds more natural though

[slender storm]

I don't feel like one is more natural than the other to be honest.

[rustic dock]

well i do so i guess whe should settle this matter in a sword fight

[slender storm]

⚔️

[rustic dock]

🗡️

[fallow ledge]

Wie sage ich

Ich hätte gern einen Platz (outside/inside)

passt da draußen und drinnen vielleicht?

[faint thistle]

in what context, like a restaurant?

[fallow ledge]

Ja genau
Wie im Restaurant

[delicate tiger]

"Ich würde gerne draußen/drinnen sitzen"

[fallow ledge]

Danke 🙏

[smoky summit]

what language is this broski

[teal cliff]

(Austro-)Bavarian

[rustic dock]

what you said is also acceptable btw

[delicate tiger]

"Ist mir nicht eingefallen, weil wir über Haar und Shampoo geredet haben" Not that bad once you speak Standard German well

[plush pelican]

What's "hiaz"?

gar?

[fallow ledge]

Danke

[teal cliff]

"jetzt"

[teal cliff]

Ist mir jetzt nur eingefallen*

[teal cliff]

netta ≈ nur

[plush pelican]

Now you're just making random sounds 😛

[teal cliff]

;-;

Da eins von den Google results ist ein Lied

[serene flame]

I thought jetzt meant now/currently

[plush pelican]

It does, I'm saying that it's crazy how the words can change in dialect. He was saying that in his dialect, "jetzt" is "hiaz"

[serene flame]

Ohh okay

[wide nymph]

Hallo liebe Leute, ich habe eine Frage; Ich bin auf dem B2 Niveau, habe aber ein Problem mit dem Thema "nomen-verb Verbindungen". Es gibt sehr viele davon, ungefähr 1000 oder sogar mehr. Meine Frage ist also: Muss ich wirklich alle lernen oder nur die wichtigsten ? Ich habe ChatGPT gefragt und es hat mir gesagt

Bis zum Niveau B2 gibt es im Deutschen ungefähr 400 Nomen-Verb-Verbindungen, die man lernen sollte. Davon sind etwa 250–300 die am häufigsten verwendeten, die man auf dem B2-Niveau aktiv beherrschen sollte.

Ist das richtig?

Vielen Dank! Ja, deine Antwort hat mir wirklich sehr geholfen. Apropos, du hast völlig recht. Ich fühlte mich sehr schlecht, als ich sah, dass es 1125 Nomen-Verb-Verbindungen gibt.

ja bitte, also da gibt es alle NVV, die ich lernen muss ?

Hahaha ja also ich meinte "die - 300 wichtigsten".

Ich bin auf diese Seite gegangen aber konnte nicht drauf zugreifen.

Nein. Ich meinte, dass ich nicht auf die Wörter zugreifen konnte.

Es fragt nach meinen Kartendaten, wenn ich draufklicke "I want this!".

ja okay es ist kostenlos, aber es fragt trotzdem nach meinen Kartendaten.

[normal torrent]

Wie kann ich deinen Link vertrauen? Möglicherweise hat es Schadsoftware...

Hallo KI...

[wide nymph]

Ja okay ich habe es getan aber das Problem ist, dass ich keine Kreditkarte habe.

Ich kann nicht eingeben

Man braucht da etwas eingeben, um es zu erhalten. Aber ich habe keine

Ja kann sein

schick es mir bitte Vielen Dank im Voraus!

Okay schick es mir einfach privat.

Ich habe dir eine Anfrage geschickt

[merry inlet]

.

[flint nimbus]

was ist eine gute Quelle für Deutschlandgeografie für Anfänger?

[nova sparrow]

Bist Du an einer bestimmten Region besonders interessiert, oder möchtest Du erstmal einen Überblick verschaffen.
Du könntest hiermit starten und dann über Google-Suche "Kinderweltreise" die Themen vertiefen, die Dich besonders interessieren.
https://youtu.be/g7x9iur6kPg?si=Iusyb5Qfpl3DrVQX

[flint nimbus]

Ich will lernen über alle Länder

[nova sparrow]

Alle Bundesländer?

[flint nimbus]

ja

en Bisschen über alle

[nova sparrow]

Ich glaube das Video und die Google-Suche sind genau das was Du brauchst um zu starten. 🤔

[flint nimbus]

ja, aber Fragen kostet nichts! Danke

[nova sparrow]

Na, klar, ich würde auch sagen, such Dir einen Atlas in einer Bibliothek und beschäftige Dich damit... 😉

[flint nimbus]

ich glaube, diese Information würde es nicht in einem normalerweisen Atlas geben... Ist trotzdem nicht eine schlechte Idee!

ein deutscher Atlas, vielleicht

[nova sparrow]

Das kommt ein bisschen auch darauf an, was für ein Lerntyp Du bist, eher haptisch, dann kann Dir ein Atlas helfen, Himmelsrichtungen und den Bezug der einzelnen Regionen/Länder zueinander besser zu verstehen.
Bist Du eher der auditive Typ, ist sicher ein Video besser

[flint nimbus]

ich glaube nicht an Lerntypen

[nova sparrow]

Ich würde den Diercke Weltatlas nehmen, weil er schon seit Jahrzehnten auch in der Schule verwendet wird (also ich meine nicht, dass Du ihn gleich kaufen solltest, schau ihn Dir erst mal in einer Bibliothek an).

[nova sparrow]

Das war nur eine Möglichkeit, festzulegen, in welcher Richtung Du weiterschauen könntest 🤷‍♂️

[flint nimbus]

ja, das ist gut!
Es ist ein Bisschen ärgende. Ich weiß, dass dw, die Lernseite, hat gute Information... nicht aber in einem Platz. Es ist verstreut über Kurse

so ist das Leben 🙂

[nova sparrow]

Ich habe Deutschland in über 30 Jahren beruflich erlebt, von Berchtesgaden, über Lörrach, Saarbrücken, Trier, Aachen, Leer, Oldenburg, Bremen, Kiel, Lübeck, Rostock, Stralsund, Schwedt, Frankfurt/Oder, Dresden, Chemnitz, Regensburg, Passau, Traunstein ... 😉

[flint nimbus]

das ist ein sehr natürlich Weg, Geografie zu lernen!

[nova sparrow]

Sicher, Lernen durch eigene Erfahrung ☺️

[fervent kernel]

So sieht Umgangssprache aus?

[nova sparrow]

Wie? Wo? Worauf beziehst Du Dich?

[fervent kernel]

Wie kann man Slang lernen?.

[nova sparrow]

Oh, ich würde tatsächlich zwischen Umgangssprache und Slang unterscheiden (aber frag mich jetzt bitte nicht nach einer genauen Definition). Man lernt sie (um ein berühmtes Zitat von Luther zu verwenden), indem man dem Volk aufs Maul schaut. 🧑‍🎓

[fervent kernel]

Ich verstehe nur bahnhof

[jade hawk]

Umgangssprache and slang are two different things, they are best learnt by just observing how natives use it

Umgangssprache by reading/watching things which aren't 'official' (so for example not news reports or literary fiction novels, but rather contemporary TV shows or young adult fiction books), slang at best by reading social media posts of younger speakers

Umgangssprache is colloquial stuff that's still viable in a general conversation, but is on the lighter, more casual side
Slang is just new phrases and words that are relatively new and probably aren't going to be understood by older generations

[vital knot]

Hallo Leute! Habt ihr irgendwelche Tipps zum Deutschlernen? Abgesehen davon, dass man Wörter gleich mit Artikeln lernen sollte, fange ich gerade erst an! Ich kenne ein paar grundlegende Sätze.

[timber yacht]

faq beginner

[stoic mauve]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

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[vital knot]

danke!

[timber yacht]

Gern geschehen. 🙂
Du kannst dir auch Nicos weg mal anschauen.

faq nicos

faq nicos

[stoic mauve]

Nicos

Nicos Weg is a free online program aimed at helping people learn German. It includes video, audio, text, grammar explanations, notes, vocabulary, and exercises. It also includes very useful cultural and bureaucratic information, such as how to open a bank account, while teaching you the relevant grammar and vocabulary.

It’s fairly popular and well-recommended, but keep in mind that you can’t learn a language with only one resource, even if it’s a good one!

You can find the program here: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/nicos-weg/c-36519789

You can also see various other courses for learners by dw.com here: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/overview/

[vital knot]

Ich habe mir die Site angesehen, sie sieht informativ aus, ich werde bei ihm lernen, vielen Dank!

[snow tulip]

Do I use haben, sein or werden with 'heiraten'? This is the sentence:
Später [FILL IN WORD HERE] du bestimmt heiraten
'Later _ you definitely marry'
Will?

[nova sparrow]

werden!

[snow tulip]

danke!!!

[nova sparrow]

Bitteschön!

[remote niche]

How to use direct voice chat or call here

[rare jetty]

faq vc

[stoic mauve]

How to join Voice Chat

Please read the [Roles section](#getting-started message) in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more!

[glacial trout]

hello guys i have a question pls

[nova sparrow]

If it's a question abt German you're in the right place 👍

[glacial trout]

yes plss

i wanna have information about ausbildung in fachinfomatiker in german

and i want tips for the goethe b2 prufung pls

[delicate tiger]

#1033125270217048246

[tribal sand]

this is such a dumb question, but it’s been haunting me: do germans know about the tooth fairy?

[whole portal]

Yes

[tribal sand]

this is a joyous day and i am so pleased

[tacit compass]

Hallo Leute, why Relativpronomen in dativ in this case? I dont get the meaning of the Relativsatzt, could someone help to explain? Viellen Dank

[plain umbra]

Which clause? Both?

The use of dative in these clauses is the same as the phrases "mir ist langweilig" and "mir geht's gut".

Do you know those?

[tacit compass]

Yes, but the verb is wird

[plain umbra]

werden = to become

Mir ist langweilig. = I am bored.
Mir wird langweilig. = I am becoming bored.

[tacit compass]

So if dependently, it would be: Ihr wird ohne Action soforr langwelig?

[tacit compass]

Oh cool, that is new to me, so wird goes with Dativ

[plain umbra]

Yeah.

[plain umbra]

No, it doesn't.

[tacit compass]

Echt

[plain umbra]

Well, it depends how you mean it.

Typically you would say that sein and werden go with nominative.

[tacit compass]

Ah same case with sein when something make you change your mood, like sick, happy, sad... we use dativ

But in case Ich werde 30 nächstes Jahr, it is Nominativ

[plain umbra]

Yes, exactly. When you're describing how you're being affected by some circumstance/environment.

[tacit compass]

Einverstanden, viellen dank

Oh ich fucking love Deutsch

[plain umbra]

I'm not sure if this is a good example. Is 30 considered a noun here? I have no idea.

Here's an example: ich bin/werde Arzt.

I think 30 there is considered an adjective, so it would be like "ich bin/werde alt" in which case no cases are used since it's a predicate adjective.

[tacit compass]

Stimmt, got it

[night pulsar]

Can anyone help me with this question

Im in the lecture right now and im gonna get extra marks if i answer it but its super hard

I need to send the photo tho but i cant

[willow socket]

we aren't allowed to help you cheat

[night pulsar]

Its not cheating its an open book task

[willow socket]

does open book include asking others to answer it for you?

[night pulsar]

Yes people are working in pairs rn

But i dont have any friends in this lecture

Forget about it the lecture ended

[willow socket]

I would understand open book to mean access to lecture materials and external resources. If your professor lets you work in groups in the lecture, then you'd be working with people with access to the same knowledge as you. Asking people who already know German is sort of like getting someone to do a test for you. I obviously don't know 100% how to interpret the rules, only a mod could do that, but to me it would be well over the bounds of academic honesty

[glad kestrel]

<@&305455824174710787> is this allowed

[plain umbra]

No it's not. Thanks for the ping.

[tender current]

Sodass is used for consequences after an event. Does this mean it can be interchangable with either deswegen or deshalb??

er ist spät ins Bett gegangen, deswegen kam er zu spät ins Büro
er ist spät ins Bett gegangen, sodass er zu spät ins Büro kam

[rustic trench]

Yeah and no, because it doesn't express the same thing, like, Sodass is used to point out the result, while Deshalb/deswegen is used to point out the cause, even tho the two are used the same way, it's like when you say "I won, but I suffered", here you're putting more importance into the second part, you could say "I suffered, but I won", like it's also correct, but it's not the same vibe, you understood?

[tender current]

yeah no sorry 😭
deshalb and deswegen literally means therefore and thats why right? Dont they point out the effect?

aside from that, in some cases I see sodass being used to point out a purpose like damit

ive been ignoring sodass for this reason, its just kinda confusing

[modest marten]

In German, there are a few ways where you can point out a part of a sentence which you consider more important. One easy to note way is the stress. If a word is (unusually) stressed in a sentence, the speaker wants to point to that word/part of the sentence (in writing often expressed by italics).

And there are some words which basically have the same meaning, but "point" to different other words. Both "sodass" and "deshalb"/"deswegen" are part of the clause that has the effect - but they point to different things in the sentence. "sodass" points to its own clause, the effect clause. And "deshalb"/"deswegen" point to the preceding clause where the cause is located. They set a different focus of what's the more important part of the sentence, even though they appear in the same place.

In English, I think this might be roughly comparable to the difference between "therefore" and "so (that)", like in
"It rained, therefore I got wet." and "It rained, so I got wet."

I think that's what @Yellow wanted to explain.

[warped oriole]

"Ihr wird langweilig" means basically "Es wird ihr langweilig" or freely translated in english "It becomes broing to her"

Who or what becomes boring? It
to who it becomes boring? to her

So the verbs in this sentence don't require a single case like "danken" or "helfen" which always require dative. Here the dative "ihr" is just an addition to the sentence "Es ist langweilig"

[orchid fern]

is eszette like B written like beta ??

[timid vector]

they look similar but beta has a longer tail

[orchid fern]

ahhh ... okayy

[timid vector]

eszett comes from the old letters ſ and z

written together

[orchid fern]

so like a small tail betta

[timid vector]

ya sure if that helps you remember it

[orchid fern]

i just started learning

[rustic dock]

the version on the left is usually only seen in print, people mostly write it like on the right

[finite void]

How do i scsm people most efficiently

[delicate tiger]

<@&305455824174710787>

[finite void]

Moderator🥺

No moderator here🥺

[long current]

#beginner-german message

@lapis atlas This is the right place to ask questions.

As for your question, instead of Duolingo, I’m using Anki to learn the most common German words. I’m currently at ~250 words, and I can kind of understand what’s going on in #beginner-german .

Not sure if it’s as fast as you’d like, but it’s definitely faster than Duolingo.

The idea is to build up vocab asap, to be able to consume content in German.

[lapis atlas]

Ok thanks
Also mb for the channel confusion

[long current]

Not an issue!

[lapis atlas]

I wanna learn german to can get into a college in germany

I got 3 years

So i think its enough

[long current]

@brave sedge You may be able to help here, your German-learning skills transcend the limits of our known universe.

[brave sedge]

why me

[long current]

You said you got from A to C in 3 years IIRC

With some off-cam mining

[brave sedge]

yeah

but I didnt really do magic

my tip is: study hard

sorry idk more than this 😭

[long current]

@lapis atlas You’ve heard the goat.

[cloud hornet]

Well there’s your calling to learn Swiss German…

[dreamy reef]

How do you even learn swiss german?

By learning german first and just move to switzerland?

[timid vector]

it's a dialect so you'd likely become fairly fluent in standard german then either learn swiss german through immersion (living there) or hiring a specialized tutor

[dreamy reef]

knew it

Thanks man

or woman

[jade hawk]

@plush pelican Can you post a link to that one grammar rule about Linksfeld Rechtsfeld Satzklammer whatever the name was that said that you can (though its used rarely) put the partizip 2 at the beginning, for example
Gegessen habe ich das nicht
I'd like to read more about it/save it somewhere

[steel sigil]

help me please i wanna pass the degital testas but idk if the preparation material in the official site is enough if not where can i practice

[plush pelican]

Oh whoops, I meant to include the first pic, not 2 of the second:

It's not that rare, especially in written text

Position 1 is the topic

German has a logic of "topic-comment", aka "first I say what I'm talking about, then I say what the new information about it is"

Hast du den Hund gesehen, den wir gestern im Park erblickt haben?

Did you see the dog that we caught sight of yesterday in the park?

Den Hund habe ich nicht gesehen, aber eine Katze schon.

The dog, I haven't seen, but I did see a cat.

Gesehen habe ich den Hund nicht. Gehört habe ich ihn allerdings.

I haven't seen the dog. I have, however, heard it.

[jade hawk]

yeah thats what I wanted to know thanks youre the Ziege

[plush pelican]

I was listening to a podcast the other day where they were putting the verb in position 1 like every other sentence, I think to make it seem more poetic/literary. It was about travel in the Middle Ages, and was some officially produced podcast with like a voice actor reading stuff out for dramatic effect.

[jade hawk]

yeah my native lang also has a much more free word order so I'm not really bound to the english one by nature

tbf you can do some wacky stuff with word order in english too, with inversion and cleft sentences

[plush pelican]

Yeah, cleft sentences are the English way of trying to make something into a topic at the start of the sentence, to do the same thing as this, despite English's stricter word order

[plush pelican]

https://deutschegrammatik20.de/wortposition/verb-position1/

[limpid edge]

Another preposition question. I’m hoping both of the options below are equally right so I don’t have to cry.

If I wanted to say that during X, Y happened. Are both während and auf correct?

For example:

ich habe mir auf einer Dschungelreise Malaria zugezogen.

And

Ich habe mir während einer Dschungelreise Malaria zugezogen.

My assumption is that both of these would be right and convey roughly the same idea. Is that true?

[limpid edge]

Oh and pt. 2, could you say bei also???

[willow socket]

auf einer Reise

[plain umbra]

Although I think it works in this case, I wouldn't say they're always interchangeable like that. I think you can always use "während" to mean "during", but not "auf".

[nova sparrow]

Yes, you can also use bei einer Reise -> Während/auf/bei works HERE interchangeable

[limpid edge]

Great! Thank you so much!!

[main cairn]

Ich habe eine Frage: what's the difference between von...bis and vom...bis zum ??
i try to compare through sentences for both usage but i'm still confused lol, can someone help me go to the details with it

[plain umbra]

vom = von dem
zum = zu dem

Maybe this helps.

[main cairn]

oh so from what im understanding, the usage of von...bis is used for nouns that don't need an article, am i correct? meanwhile vom...bis zum is the combination of von dem + zu dem therefore it's used for nouns that need an article, which is provided in the vom and bis zum

correct me if i'm wrong

[plain umbra]

Yes, you shouldn't worry about the von/vom and zu/zum difference. That's just whether or not the article dem is used or not. Like you could have zur if it's zu + der. So that part has nothing to do with the difference between the two things.

It's "von ... bis" vs "von ... bis zu".

[main cairn]

right so i just gotta match it up with the corresponding artikel and whether that sentence is akkusativ/dativ

[plain umbra]

Sentences aren't accusative or dative. Only nouns/pronouns are accusative or dative.

Von is dative, bis is accusative, zu is dative.

Well, more precisely: they govern those cases, so their noun/pronoun will be in that case.

[main cairn]

I get it now! Thank you so much

[main cairn]

also hey guys just a question (i asked this in general but i think i asked in the wrong channel)

i noticed that this server provides B1 vocab lists usually for Lesen sessions and i want to use them for my studies. does anyone have the complete pile of the vocab files? where can i find them?

[spiral vapor]

hi! all materials we used in the lessons are usually posted in #985224391849807872

[main cairn]

thank youu sm ill look into those :D

[latent wadi]

Thats the realistic minimum 3 years

Anyone who says they did it faster is one of three categories 1. Living in Germany and actually using German daily 2. Very, very gifted 3. Lying or unaware of their actual abilities

[wet kayak]

there's no such thing as "talent" but experience and consistency 🙂

[timid vector]

There are definitely people that can more easily pick up and learn foreign languages, same with math or art or chemistry etc

[normal torrent]

This is true, but talent alone can only take you so far. You need discipline to actually get anywhere

There's a good saying I heard once, "You may have a stallion, but any man on a donkey will go farther if you don't tame it."

[latent wadi]

"Gifted" should come with the caveat that they have an innate desire to learn X skill, language, etc, yes. Because part of what makes one. have a natural ability is that they possess the desire to learn it in the first place (which is what many lack who otherwise may also be quite exceptional)

[wet kayak]

it still requires hundreds of hours of studying. It's not like they get the knowledge out of nowhere

[latent wadi]

Most would go too far and say you are completely wrong but I mostly agree with that assessment. However a degree of "talent" does exist. In skateboarding for example you can absolutely tell when someone just "has it" - and its more than just years of expierence

[wet kayak]

i mean it generally bothers me when people use the terms gifted or talented, because they don't see how much effort someone puts to learn something. Just because one person didn't have enough courage to achieve something doesn't mean it was easy for someone else. That was my point 😅

and also when it's your 3rd or 4th language it's not about any special aptitudes but rather the experience in learning methods

[latent wadi]

If its your 3rd or 4th you are probably a little crazy in the head

[timid vector]

I'm not sure who said anything that goes against that

I'm not seeing it in anyone's messages

fact is 2 people can put in the same effort and one will have a much easier time learning and will end up at a more advanced level because they're better at learning languages due to how their brain is wired and their learning style

[willow socket]

Definitely not innate 😛

[latent wadi]

Der Mensch kann tun was er will; er kann aber nicht wollen was er will

Thats where Id say its innate

[willow socket]

The idea that someone is born with the desire to learn German or to learn the piano is not really supported by any science. I’m sure it was just a brain fart, but you implied that the desire to learn a specific skill would be innate.

[latent wadi]

There are certain examples which would make one believe that though

magnus carlsen and chess for example

[willow socket]

I don’t know why he would make me believe that. Chess wasn’t the first activity he showed acuity for and it was introduced to him externally.

[latent wadi]

Either way Im not saying the activity itself is innate I am saying that which draws one to the activity is what is innate

Hence: Der Mensch kann tun was er will; er kann aber nicht wollen was er will

[willow socket]

I disagree with that and I don’t believe it’s supported in the literature, but regardless, it was just unfortunate wording above then.

[latent wadi]

It is by determinism

[willow socket]

Determinism is a philosophy

[latent wadi]

And philosophy is just an explanation of existence

We can discuss whether science can point to why we are drawn to certain things but no one can refute that there are things that some do and/or have that others seem to not. It would be an impossibility for me to understand Physics in the way I can language so there has to be something more to it than simply having "learnt" something

[willow socket]

But we don’t need to blindly apply philosophy to a phenomenon that can be empirically studied. In that sense it’s purely your perspective or opinion. More of an ideology than anything.

[latent wadi]

Seems like an overly arrogant and erroneous conjecture to me cant lie

Empirically understanding something only proves its existence, it does not create it

The world wasnt flat before it was empirically "decided" to be round

[willow socket]

No one said it did 🤔 but if you just create your perspective with no view to evidence or existing research, then you can claim anything and remove yourself from the obligation of scientific standards. I don’t really want to have a philosophical debate at 9 in the morning, esp. about this. My point above was there is no “innate desire to learn German”, if you disagree great, if it was a wording issue and you meant more generally a desire to learn also great. Have a good one.

[latent wadi]

Innate potential for physical characters is a proven science immerhin

By your own logic you would disavow the existence of an innate desire to learn as well tho lol

But I can acquiesce that there is no specific "gene" attributed to one such as "desire to learn yoga." I am just describing a set of whatever qualities or what it is that is afforded to one that seems to draw them towards something to obsession

Which manifests to us as so

If that werent true one would be able to freely (without extrinsically motivated factors) be able to obsess over a certain thing

I think we can agree that that isnt possible

[plain umbra]

I think this topic goes outside the scope of #questions-2 .

[latent wadi]

🙏

[teal panther]

how do you tell when you should use der die das / ein eine ein

[wet kayak]

faq gender

[stoic mauve]

Grammatical gender

German nouns are sorted in three different genders: masculine, neuter and feminine. These have nothing to do with sex or social gender.
The first thing genders will influence are articles like der, das, die. Each word has its own and you better get it right: some words that look identical can have different meanings depending on the gender they're used with. For example:
die Band = the (musical) band,
der Band = the (book) volume,
das Band = the tape.

Some words, mainly trademarks and loanwords, have multiple acceptable genders while having no change in meaning:
der Jogurt = das Jogurt
das Virus = der Virus
These may vary by region or colloquiality.

💢 But WHY, German, WHY ⁉
Gender is actually quite useful! Since sentence structure is less rigid than in English, grammatical case helps you tell the various elements apart (with some practice), and that works through genders: each gender has its own forms, which makes everything a little less ambiguous. Besides, as you've seen with Band above, it allows us to make up words with different meanings that look the same but are not ambiguous, and if that's not magic, I don't know what is. ✨

🙀 But how am I supposed to tell them apart? 🙀
Check out >explain gender patterns. 😉

[wet kayak]

^

[teal panther]

ok thank you

[hidden niche]

Wie lernt man am besten Deutsch? kann jemand helfen?

[willow socket]

faq beginner

[stoic mauve]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

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[hidden niche]

Danke Schon

[open crown]

Where do i check it :c

[delicate tiger]

you can use the FAQ bot in #botchannel

[short mirage]

Hello dear

can i too find idea busy fun?? or you other meaning give than me?? and hope for us keep understand care take on way!!!!

[eternal kraken]

Hallo

[junior wadi]

Hallo , Kann mir jemand bei den telc-B2-Prüfungen helfen und die Musterprüfungen erleichtern - speziell in Frankreich oder allgemein in Europa !!!

[grand lantern]

explain gender patterns

[stoic mauve]

**Feminine words (die)**

• many words ending in -e (die Nase, die Kiste)
• words ending in:
  -- -in (feminine professions/roles): die Verkäuferin, die Lehrerin
  -- -ei die Fischerei, die Bäckerei
  -- -schaft die Mannschaft, die Gemeinschaft
  -- -heit/-keit die Freiheit, die Gerechtigkeit
  -- -ung die Bedeutung, die Achtung
  -- -ion die Aktion, die Religion
  -- -ik die Logistik, die Logik
  -- -anz words of classical origin: die Allianz, die Toleranz
  -- -ur die Natur, die Kultur
  -- -tät die Professionalität, die Kriminalität

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[pseudo breach]

Hey I have question about progress
Is there a general speaking ability that improves with time or anything you speak you had to have practised it prior ?

for example I learned to speak about few topics by practising few memorized sentences and modfying them a little but if I try to speak about a new topic its like Im starting again from zero and even if I use same grammars/structures it still feels kinda hard applying new words

Another very similar example are superlativ komparativ I probably used superlativ / komparativ forms for maybe 20 adjectives but I still lag a lot when I try to use it for a new adjective ?

So is it supposed to be something that will improve on its own or I have to expand my input ?

[timid vector]

I don't think you should be learning by trying to remember set sentences and phrases that only apply to one topic in the first place

The vocabulary and grammar should be your basis to be able to build sentences that cover a wide variety of topics as well as different verb tenses, grammatical cases etc

[pseudo breach]

but it does make a big difference

[timid vector]

yet you aren't able to talk about topics that you haven't explicitly prepared memorized sentences for 🤷

[pseudo breach]

Yea thats what im asking about here

[timid vector]

yes and that's what i answered

[pseudo breach]

If I had to rely 100% on myself I only form simple half garbage sentences

it could count as speaking but very terrible

[plain umbra]

That's fine though. That's the stepping stone to improvement.

If you never practice, you won't get better.

Memorising sentences is a very different skill from speaking spontaneously. If you only practice one, then you won't improve at the other.

[warm robin]

I'm not very far in my German, but in English there's plenty of monologuing practice / storytelling / reading from a book out loud practice / public speaking practice.

Reciting poems and songs from memory does help organize your thoughts and allow you to emulate from the best.

Meme culture is pretty much a large-scale copying of known ideas and phrases, for example.

[normal torrent]

Reading text is a very different skill from producing language though. I'm struggling with the same thing - i can read text out loud fine but when it comes to spontaneous output, it's like my brain is a high ping internet connection...

Fundamentally the problem is recall speed. To speak fluently, you need to be able to recall words and phrases really fast. Which is something you improve with output (speaking or texting) practice and with flashcards (but testing speed, not just ability to remember it eventually)

It's incredibly frustrating because you know you are capable of speaking about something but when you try and actually do it, the words wont come out fast enough, and then you get anxious, and trip over grammar, and embarrass yourself in front of the class... totally not speaking from experience here 💀
But unfortunately yeah the only way to improve it is practice. Real output practice in addition to training words/phrases with flashcards

[plain umbra]

Yeah, but I'll just add that the speaking practice itself is very necessary for improving this skill. Whereas the flashcards are optional but potentially very helpful.

[willow socket]

I'm more in your camp here. I think people really underestimate how much of getting good at a language is rote imitation. Memorising and reciting and repeating things you read/hear is extremely useful and helps with everyday speech, too (everyday speech is itself mostly a series of scripts with pre-defined variations)

When I was learning German actively, I would read articles, write down constructions and words, then force myself to use them (from memory) exactly as they were used in the article to write a summary. Then crosscheck and correct. Then do the exact same thing in speech: try to recite using sentences/constructions from memory as they were written, not creatively.

[pseudo breach]

danke schön

Ich muss mehr zeit verbringen damit spontan zu sprechen

[jade hawk]

damit verbringen, nicht umgekehrt

[ember lotus]

From my personal experience (learning English and German), your speaking passively develops even when you aren’t specifically practicing it, and I was personally able to get from a point of near 0 speaking practice to speaking at a pretty high level within literally a week or two with both languages because of all of my prior input and experience with them
That being said, if you need to develop speaking skills quicker, it’s advisable to practice it
There are also some things that you can’t learn passively, like pronunciation and (maybe) intonation

And about memorisation, I’ve always been very against purposefully memorising something, I think through enough exposure some memorisation happens subconsciously though. Though I’ve heard some people preach memorisation and say it helped them a lot, it’s just not something I’ve ever needed or found too useful, so I think it depends on the person

[pseudo breach]

memorization speeds up the process

and really most native speakers learned big chunk of their language by memorization considering their school subjects are taught in it

[warped herald]

hallo laute i have a question i cant understand where to use der,die,das they all means THE only but the meaning change in sentences

i got it thxs 🙂

[wet kayak]

faq der die das

[stoic mauve]

Grammatical gender

German nouns are sorted in three different genders: masculine, neuter and feminine. These have nothing to do with sex or social gender.
The first thing genders will influence are articles like der, das, die. Each word has its own and you better get it right: some words that look identical can have different meanings depending on the gender they're used with. For example:
die Band = the (musical) band,
der Band = the (book) volume,
das Band = the tape.

Some words, mainly trademarks and loanwords, have multiple acceptable genders while having no change in meaning:
der Jogurt = das Jogurt
das Virus = der Virus
These may vary by region or colloquiality.

💢 But WHY, German, WHY ⁉
Gender is actually quite useful! Since sentence structure is less rigid than in English, grammatical case helps you tell the various elements apart (with some practice), and that works through genders: each gender has its own forms, which makes everything a little less ambiguous. Besides, as you've seen with Band above, it allows us to make up words with different meanings that look the same but are not ambiguous, and if that's not magic, I don't know what is. ✨

🙀 But how am I supposed to tell them apart? 🙀
Check out >explain gender patterns. 😉

[wet kayak]

@warped herald

[ember iron]

Das ist auch eine vielleicht ähnlich aber woher weiß ich ob ich z.B jener, einer, oder einem, oder einen verwenden muss?? Ich habe es nie so richtig verstanden. Ich weiß, dass manches so mit die Fälle zusammenhängt aber wie kann ich da nachfragen oder wissen was genau richtig ist? 🥲

Ich tuhe mich da vorallem beim Texte schrieben richtig schwer. Weil ich nicht genau weiß, was ich da nehmen muss.

[glossy lagoon]

explain gender patterns

[stoic mauve]

**Feminine words (die)**

• many words ending in -e (die Nase, die Kiste)
• words ending in:
  -- -in (feminine professions/roles): die Verkäuferin, die Lehrerin
  -- -ei die Fischerei, die Bäckerei
  -- -schaft die Mannschaft, die Gemeinschaft
  -- -heit/-keit die Freiheit, die Gerechtigkeit
  -- -ung die Bedeutung, die Achtung
  -- -ion die Aktion, die Religion
  -- -ik die Logistik, die Logik
  -- -anz words of classical origin: die Allianz, die Toleranz
  -- -ur die Natur, die Kultur
  -- -tät die Professionalität, die Kriminalität

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[little ermine]

ich habe eine frage, wenn kann ich zu,zum,von,vom benutzen

[plain umbra]

zum = zu dem
vom = von dem

[little ermine]

ich habe nicht verstanden...

[plain umbra]

Kannst du Englisch oder nur Deutsch?

[little ermine]

Ich spreche englisch aber ich möchte lerne deutsch

Also ich spreche englisch nicht das momentan

[plain umbra]

Okay.

Basically it's a contraction.

"Zu dem" is shortened to "zum".

[little ermine]

Yeah but when i can use them? Its really hard to figure it out

[plain umbra]

Do you mean when can you use contractions?

[little ermine]

Yes

especially vom ,von ,zum,zu

[plain umbra]

Von and zu are not contractions.

[little ermine]

Nach is easy to be honest

[plain umbra]

Ah, so you mean, you want to know when to use each preposition?

[little ermine]

Yes

[plain umbra]

There's no simply answer to that.

[little ermine]

sorry i forgot the name

[plain umbra]

You have to learn it for each scenario.

[little ermine]

[plain umbra]

For example "what preposition do I use when talking about taking the bus?"

[little ermine]

Zum?

[plain umbra]

You can use this as a starting point: https://resources.german.lsa.umich.edu/grammatik/prepositions/#wohin

[little ermine]

Ohh thank you

[hasty stump]

Zu. Infinitiv beispiel(das kaffe)
Zu+ m dativ (zum kaffe)

[delicate tiger]

(der Kaffee)

[nova sparrow]

Naja, oder das Lokal, in dem man Kaffee trinkt -> das Caf(f/é/e...)

[regal wave]

please not Cafee. Das gibt's nicht 😄

[nova sparrow]

^^ oder so^^

[regal wave]

the most basic idea if you already know English is that its often eerily similar to German, but the verbs go to different places (in English: 2nd place is the verb, as in German, in the main clause type of sentence, but if you got two verbs, you slam all other verbs but the primary/auxiliary verb to the end of the sentence, and not after the aux. verb. That's the most fundamental difference in sentence structure. Hence, "ich möchte lerne[n] [D]eutsch" becomes "ich möchte Deutsch lernen", as opposed to "I want to learn German")

[plain umbra]

Just to correct slightly: In English, the word order is SVO, not verb 2nd.

[inner oyster]

https://discord.gg/german

[main ermine]

Kann mir jemand sagen, ob in diesem Satz „half“ oder „halfen“ richtig ist? -> Sein strukturiertes Arbeiten und die Fähigkeit Menschen zu begeistern, half ihm dabei, die Arbeiten stets zu unserer vollsten Zufriedenheit umzusetzen.

[willow socket]

ich hätte halfen gesagt, weil strukturiertes Arbeiten und die Fähigkeit Menschen zu begeistern.

[main ermine]

Danke!

[jade hawk]

Ist Trotz der Tatsache, dass ein Anglizismus oder nicht? Sollte ich Trotz dessen, dass stattdessen sagen?

[misty atlas]

Nein, es ist kein Anglizismus.
"Trotz der Tatsache, dass er zu spät ist, ..." kann man zwar sagen, es ist grammatikalisch richtig, aber es hört sich holprig an.
"Trotz dessen, dass" hört sich sehr holprig an, obwohl es grammatikalisch richtig ist.

Alternative: "Obwohl er zu spät ist, ..." - das würde man viel eher sagen.
Wenn du "trotz" verwenden willst, kann man es auch so sagen: "Trotz seiner Verspätung...".

[rustic dock]

beides ok

[nova sparrow]

@jade hawk
Meiner Meinung nach ist trotz dessen gar nicht in Ordnung! 🤯
Ich sehe auch den Anglizismus bei "trotz der Tatsache, dass" nicht. 🤔 🔍

[rustic dock]

„(Zum) Trotze dessen“

als Verkürzung mMn. in Ordnung

aber „trotz dem“ im Dativ ist natürlich gewöhnlicher

[nova sparrow]

Zum Trotze WESSEN?
Korrekt könnte sein: dem Befehl zum Trotze...

[rustic dock]

denk doch mal drüber nach, was das bedeutet. in prinzip klingt das nicht wirklich falsch

[regal wave]

In welchem konkreten Satzgefüge wäre das nicht einfach "Trotzdem"? '_'

[regal wave]

Wichtig ist dabei ja, dass als Konjunktion "trotzdem" existiert, aber "trotzdessen" nicht.

[fringe mason]

Ich habe alle deutschen Texte von A1 bis B2 aufgeschrieben. Wo kann ich jetzt die Aussprache der deutschen Wörter anhören? Welche Apps oder Webseiten könnt ihr mir empfehlen?

[vernal sky]

i have a question about plurals. so i've been following this guide (https://germanwithlaura.com/plurals/) to figure out the rules around forming plurals. i'm looking at the word beispiel, which ends in -el, so i assumed it wouldn't change in plural (since it's not one of the two exceptions mentioned), but it's actually beispiele.
does someone know why that is? is it because the -el is not a suffix and instead part of the root? is that a thing?

[wet kayak]

because it's sp-ie-l where ie is one sound that is pronounced as i

e doesn't belong to the el ending

i don't really know how to explain it properly

[vernal sky]

🤔

[willow socket]

you're correct, it's because -el just happens to be the two letters at the end of Spiel, this rule only applies to the suffix

[wet kayak]

I don't quite get this nomenclature

in the word "Apfel" -el is not a suffix

there's no such stem as "Apf" is there

the whole word "apfel" is a word root

-el is just ending of the word not a suffix

[willow socket]

what do you mean, are we not saying the same thing?

Apfel changes in plural

[wet kayak]

i mean suffix is something you add to a stem

[willow socket]

yes that is (I think) what Juli and I are saying, too

Though it requires me to shove down years of education on formal languages

[wet kayak]

okay actually never mind 🥀

[small flume]

do i use ist or sein in a sentence?

[plain umbra]

Yes.

[small flume]

huh?

im confused, ist mean is correct? what does sein mean?

[plain umbra]

Sein is the infinitive form.

Like "to be" in English.

So you would say, for example:
Ich bin reich. I am rich.
Er ist reich. He is rich.
Ich will reich sein. I want to be rich.

[vernal sky]

if you want more explanation, you can try reading this. you don't have to read the whole thing, you can also just look at the first table.
https://germanwithlaura.com/sein-conjugation/

[toxic storm]

hallo

[grim goblet]

hallo zusammen

[cinder spruce]

hallo !!

[nova sparrow]

Hallo indygo

[cinder spruce]

Hallo Bernie

[fickle belfry]

.

[flint ice]

hallo

[visual plaza]

Hi

[reef swan]

Seas

[obtuse matrix]

Hi

Wie kann ich an der Sprachdiskussion teilnehmen?

[oblique vigil]

Hallo Leute ich möchte eine frau haben

[south tapir]

Hier stehen keine Bräute zum Verkauf mein Bester. Davon mal abgesehen ist das nicht einmal eine Frage – wie wäre es, wenn du hier eine Frage über Deutsch oder das Deutschlernen stellst?

[rustic dock]

faq vc

[stoic mauve]

How to join Voice Chat

Please read the [Roles section](#getting-started message) in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more!

[mental jacinth]

In welchen Situationen verwende ich die Wörter„der“, „die“ und „das“?

[rustic dock]

faq gender

[stoic mauve]

Grammatical gender

German nouns are sorted in three different genders: masculine, neuter and feminine. These have nothing to do with sex or social gender.
The first thing genders will influence are articles like der, das, die. Each word has its own and you better get it right: some words that look identical can have different meanings depending on the gender they're used with. For example:
die Band = the (musical) band,
der Band = the (book) volume,
das Band = the tape.

Some words, mainly trademarks and loanwords, have multiple acceptable genders while having no change in meaning:
der Jogurt = das Jogurt
das Virus = der Virus
These may vary by region or colloquiality.

💢 But WHY, German, WHY ⁉
Gender is actually quite useful! Since sentence structure is less rigid than in English, grammatical case helps you tell the various elements apart (with some practice), and that works through genders: each gender has its own forms, which makes everything a little less ambiguous. Besides, as you've seen with Band above, it allows us to make up words with different meanings that look the same but are not ambiguous, and if that's not magic, I don't know what is. ✨

🙀 But how am I supposed to tell them apart? 🙀
Check out >explain gender patterns. 😉

[cursive moth]

Versuchen kann ers ja mal xD

Hab mich gerade weggeschmissen vor lachen als ich das gelesen habe

[rustic dock]

mit mayo oder ketchup?

[cursive moth]

Im Deutschen gibt es drei Wörter für "the":

• der = für männliche Wörter
• die = für weibliche Wörter
• das = für sächliche Wörter (neutral)
  Beispiele:
• der Tisch (maskulin)
• die Lampe (feminin)
• das Auto (neutral)
  Leider gibt es im Deutschen nicht immer klare Regeln. Man muss also eigentlich den Artikel mit dem Wort zusammen lernen.
  Was ich dir aber als Tipp geben kann ist folgendes:
  Meistens kannst du von den Endungen auch sagen was es ist, allerdings trifft es nicht immer zu.
  Der -> oft bei Endung -er ( oft aber nicht immer) Beispiel: der Computer, der Lehrer, etc / oder auch bei Jahreszeiten, Monaten und Tagen Beispiel: der Montag, der Juli, der Sommer, etc / ein Beispiel wo es oft zutrifft aber nicht immer sind alkoholische Getränke wo es zutrifft: der Wein, der Whisky, aber und jetzt kommen wir zur Ausnahme: das Bier es endet auf -er aber hat als Artikel das.
  Die -> Oft bei Wörtern mit Endungen wie -ung (die Wohnung), -heit (die Freiheit, die Sicherheit), -keit (die Krankheit), -schaft (die Freundschaft, die Feindschaft), -ion (die Nation), -tät (die Universität), -ei (die Bäckerei) (es gibt aber auch wieder Ausnahmen)
  Das -> Oft bei Wörtern mit -chen oder -lein (Verkleinerung/Verniedlichung) Beispiel: das Mädchen, das Häuschen / Bei Wörtern mit Endung -ment (das Instrument), -um (das Zentrum), - tum (das Eigentum (wobei es hier auch Ausnahmen gibt) / Und wenn du Verben zu Nomen machst Beispiel: das Essen, das Trinken, das Lesen
  Ich hoffe du verstehst es jetzt etwas besser, bei Fragen kannst du mir gerne schreiben. Ich weiß Deutsch ist kompliziert aber ich habe es so verständlich wie möglich versucht. Also wie du siehst Regeln gibt es nicht wikrlich, aber dafür jede Menge Ausnahmen. ^^

Da es meistens zutrifft und nicht immer, immer Artikel+ Wort lernen

[warped shale]

Ketchup ist für mich gut. Keine mayonnaise, danke!

[verbal pumice]

explain gender patterns

[stoic mauve]

Gender patterns

Unfortunately, many German words don't have immediately clear clues that reveal it, but thankfully, many common words do follow patterns that reveal their gender.
In general, you are advised to learn the article together with the word (and its plural!).
Plural forms always use die and follow plural declension rules, which are the same for all genders (yay 🎉).
For compound words, remember that only the last word matters.
Type >explain grammatical gender for an explanation on grammatical gender.

Here's a list of patterns to recognise word gender.
Note that exceptions may apply.

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[mental jacinth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422448194476048403/1312836732554576003/togif-1_1.gif

[empty matrix]

Can someone explain me sentence formation in German and how we can translate it

[willow socket]

maybe you could make your question a bit more specific. Sentence formation in German would basically be mastering the entire grammar.

and translating it is dependent on the language you wish to translate into, not German itself

[empty matrix]

I want translate it in english

When I see the sentence in German , sometimes their verbs are at the end sometimes it is in between the sentence

I am confused about it

[willow socket]

in a main clause, the conjugated verb goes in the second position. In a subordinate clause (Nebensatz), the conjugated verb is at the end.

[empty matrix]

Okay thanks ☺️

[indigo trench]

explain grammatical gender

[stoic mauve]

Grammatical gender

German nouns are sorted in three different genders: masculine, neuter and feminine. These have nothing to do with sex or social gender.
The first thing genders will influence are articles like der, das, die. Each word has its own and you better get it right: some words that look identical can have different meanings depending on the gender they're used with. For example:
die Band = the (musical) band,
der Band = the (book) volume,
das Band = the tape.

Some words, mainly trademarks and loanwords, have multiple acceptable genders while having no change in meaning:
der Jogurt = das Jogurt
das Virus = der Virus
These may vary by region or colloquiality.

💢 But WHY, German, WHY ⁉
Gender is actually quite useful! Since sentence structure is less rigid than in English, grammatical case helps you tell the various elements apart (with some practice), and that works through genders: each gender has its own forms, which makes everything a little less ambiguous. Besides, as you've seen with Band above, it allows us to make up words with different meanings that look the same but are not ambiguous, and if that's not magic, I don't know what is. ✨

🙀 But how am I supposed to tell them apart? 🙀
Check out >explain gender patterns. 😉

[night dagger]

@plain umbra maybe this could be reviewed; there’s definitely a difference between der virus vs das virus, not sure which dialect uses them interchangeably

[willow socket]

https://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/sprachratgeber/der-oder-das-Virus

what is the difference?

[night dagger]

well according to Duden there is no difference but in my experience: das virus means something biological and der virus means something with technology but 🤷‍♂️

[willow socket]

interesting! I wonder if it lines up with the difference duden discusses. Biology="educated" version, computer virus coming more out of the colloquial usage

[night dagger]

interesting

well I learned something new today even tho I’ve never heard someone say das virus for a computer virus, at least not that I can remember; same goes for hearing der virus for a biological virus

I will still continue making the distinction tho as I have been

[plain umbra]

This is one of the oldest FAQs so it's probably worth reviewing it anyway. I'll put it on my to do list.

Wrong channel.

[sudden depot]

oops sorry

[delicate bridge]

Wie lerne sie Genitiv präpositionen

[willow socket]

du kannst die Liste auswendig lernen. So lang ist sie nicht

[warm robin]

I thought I was getting the two way preposition thing. And then....

Auf den anderen Seite muss man auch bedenken, dass die Zeit schon knapp ist.

den????

Okay, so 'anderen' is accusative, because we are motion-towares the other-side.

[plain umbra]

I think that's just a typo.

[warm robin]

Oh wow. If so I'm getting good enough to catch typos lol.

[plain umbra]

I think it should be: auf der anderen Seite ...

Seite is feminine so "den" is not possible in singular form.

And just as a note, den anderen Seiten would also be possible as a typo, but I think plural doesn't make sense here anyway.

[warm robin]

So I'm still wrong, it's Dativ lol

But that at least makes sense to me.

[plain umbra]

Yes and set phrases like this you can also check on dict.cc.

[plush pelican]

Yeah, once you get good enough, you start to play a game: "Is this a typo, or some entirely new grammar thing that I haven't yet encountered?"

🙃

[viral ibex]

difference in nuance for these two words? and how much is this difference really felt irl, would most people find the first actually disrespectful?

[delicate tiger]

First is neutral, second is left wing trivializing language

[rustic dock]

with that word in particular i never understood the point either

even as a native this feels weird

[viral ibex]

Thank you, good to know

[main cairn]

hey so today i did my b1 sprechen and a lot happened. is it ok if i write down the entire chronology about the exam i took and ask for someone's opinion?

[warm robin]

Just do it!

If no one responds, at least you already have it written down and can possibly make a topic for it in questions.

[nova sparrow]

I'd post this in #942470380692590632 with the correct headline: I see ppl asking there what happens in those tests...

[unique dune]

i agree with the two previous replies, but to answer your first question, Geflüchtete/r is the more "politically correct" term as the ending -ling often has negative connotations (ie Feigling) and also describes more of a state than an action (compared to Geflüchtete/r), so people argue it reduces refugees to their current state

[pseudo breach]

Hello

hat graduiert

is it pronounced hat gradu aert or gradwert

[nova sparrow]

How is Geflüchtete/Vertriebene/Obdachlose (some war destroyed their homes)/Heimatvertiebene the "better"/more "political correct" term? their homes got destroyed, and they fled the combat zone -> Flüchtling fits there, doesn't it?

[unique dune]

i just explained the -ling connotation. and im not gonna have a discussion about this because im not the one who decided its the PC term, nor do i necessarily agree

you can google this and find sites that explain it better than i do

[plain umbra]

If people want to discuss the topic any further, they will have to do so in sensitive topics forum. I think the current responses are sufficient to answer the original question.

[nova sparrow]

sorry for the inconvenience I didn't get how Neuling and Neue(r) are terms that are somehow different in political correctness 🤔

[plain umbra]

All good. Feel free to start a thread in the sensitive topics forum about it if you wish.

[nova sparrow]

I better not, I think it attracts the "wrong" ppl. 🫣

[viral ibex]

oh that’s good info about the particle connotation, thank you

[unique dune]

anytime

[dawn oxide]

I don't think that's necessarily true btw, there's also words like Säugling, Liebling, Lehrling, Eindringling, etc.

I think it just depends on how the word itself is used whether it has a negative connotation or not ^^ words such as Schwächling are more negative, while words such as Liebling are more positive, Zwilling/Säugling/Lehrling etc. are more neutral, Eindringling is a negative word I guess? But Idk if I'd say it has a negative connotation

Hope this counts as talking about the grammar :) this isn't about the topic itself, just trying to explain that we use the -ling ending in different ways so just be mindful about that and don't just think every -ling word = bad

[rustic dock]

the ending -ling itself does not carry negative connotation and social issues are hardly resolved by grammar. i think this word in particular is part of a subset of words where news agencies and government TV either have a guideline to use only one (Geflüchtete) or do so by personal choice, but in real life Flüchtlinge is the more common on, but both get used (although with Geflüchtete it does seem like the person is trying to make a political statement sometimes).

[rustic dock]

agreeing with this. it is a very common ending in germanic languages and doesn’t have an inherent connotation

[thorn zodiac]

Guten Morgen schöne Menschen, habe eine Frage.

Habe diesen Text unten in meinem Buch gesehen, aber ich verstehe nicht ganz, was damit los ist.
Ich habe gemerkt, dass diese Form sich auf die Anredeform bezieht, aber bin mir noch nicht sicher, warum es nicht "eure (pl) oder euren Leben" ist.

"Euer Vater hat euer aller Leben riskiert"

Danke im Voraus. Hoffentlich habe ich gut genug erklärt aber ehrlich gesagt verstehe ich nicht vollständig, was ich frage

[rustic dock]

it’s an archaic phrasing and is mostly confined to writing nowadays. it is somewhat poetic or dramatic.

all it does is add severity or an air of dramatic relief, and is mostly used only in conjunction with „unser“ or „euer“

[plush pelican]

Y'all's dad risked all of y'all's lives

[rustic dock]

lmao

[nova sparrow]

Euer Vater hat nicht nur das Leben von einem oder zwei von euch, sondern von euch allen riskiert.
So würde man das vmtl. heute formulieren.💡

[rustic dock]

sehr umständlich

wieso nicht einfach "all eure Leben"

xd

[nova sparrow]

dann bleibt der "dramatische Effekt" auf der Strecke 😉

[plush pelican]

Idk, coming from American English (specifically from the South), I didn't even think of this expression as weird, because we have that equivalent already and use it often

[rustic dock]

this is not at all done in german though

i even feel some kind of awkwardness when people say "hallo alle zusammen" in here. while that is done in some contexts, it's not really as common as "hey everyone" in english

so saying "ihr alle" is only really done when the totality of a group is stressed, it's not just thrown in there like "y'all" in english

[nova sparrow]

Hmm, maybe it's a regional thing, but when meeting for e.g. rehearsals (groups over 30 ppl) and you've been held up, you (or others) would just use: Hallo zusammen! with a friendly wave 👋 . With more time you go around and greet everyone personally 🤝

[rustic dock]

i only see people do that in work emails sometimes but i never hear someone say it

so maybe it is regional

[delicate tiger]

It's better if you go a bit dialectal "tach zesame"

[rustic dock]

griaßt's eich

[fervent kernel]

mein Knusperzaubertraumfrau die kenne ich noch lernt und Süßes Süßeli freunde , ich habe frag wie kann ich uberhaut das scheißapp verwenden um deutschsprach zubeherschen , ich hab noch niemand kenngelernt ?

[pure walrus]

Was bedeutet dieser Satz(richten und so zugrunde):
Sie richten die Welt
zumindest nicht so zugrunde wie wir Menschen.

Danke im Voraus.

[dawn oxide]

'etw. zugrunde richten' is one construction

https://m.dict.cc/deutsch-englisch/zugrunde+richten.html

Lol xd

Could've left it 😆

Anyway, it means something like destroy or ruin basically

[half stump]

Morn wie kann ich sagen ' here I am to make you rock and roll....

[delicate bridge]

Fast food kann man süchtig machen

[willow socket]

'man' funktioniert nur als Subjekt. Dieser Satz impliziert, dass eine Person ("man") Fast-Food süchtig macht.

richtig wäre: Fast Food macht süchtig.
oder
Fast Food kann süchtig machen.

[delicate bridge]

Fast Food kann süchtig machen

Diskussion das Thema

[young forge]

I'm sorry if I'm using English, but does anyone here have finished like C1 German prufung?

[willow socket]

People with blue usernames consider themselves C1+, and are likely to have taken a C1 Sprachprüfung.

[young forge]

What is it like? Is the test on base like b1 or b2?

[willow socket]

You can find model tests online. It is different from B1 or B2 tests (assuming it's a test which is split by level. There are tests like TestDaF which are one test where the score determines level)

[young forge]

Random question, what's ur opinion on C1 Prüfung?

Not like theoretically but mentally

[willow socket]

I have absolutely no idea what that means

[young forge]

When you do C1 Prüfung, how do you feel about it? Scary or like fun in a weird way?

I'm planning to learn German till B2, but currently considering C1

[crimson peak]

what do u guys think about zfa ausbildung is it good

[willow socket]

I wrote it once, passed with good scores. I was nervous when I took it but not so much that it affected my performance negatively. It's expensive, so I wouldn't recommend doing it for fun unless you have the money to spare.

But overall the C1 certificate is the most "worthwhile" certificate to attain. It will mostly qualify you for everything work and study related in Germany.

[willow socket]

#1033125270217048246

[crimson peak]

thank you

[young forge]

Thank you lolo

[main flare]

Hot take I don’t think you should set a cap for yourself. Like imagine that with any other skill, „I wanna play the guitar but only to an intermediate level”. I think you should just strive to improve, full stop, whatever you pass that’s great

But don’t limit yourself

[young forge]

To be honest, this is a really good tip, thanks friend

Yeah, why should I stop at C1, I should think on "how to improve myself more"

[vernal crane]

i stopped english at c1 bc i finished learning what i needed and i want to learn other languages too but it all depends on preference

[woven prism]

I don't necessarily agree with this, having a clear goal makes things easier. You know EXACTLY what you need

[main flare]

Well yeah but don’t limit yourself to that goal only

[viral ibex]

just curious, is omitting the "das" in a phrase like this "jedenfalls klingt, was das Töpfchen fabriziert" (vs "... klingt das, was das..." considered just as correct or is it a colloquial shortcut?

[nova sparrow]

I'd say you can even drop the 2nd das:
Jedenfalls klingt, was Töpfchen fabriziert...

[viral ibex]

with "Töpfchen" being generic or even when it's a specific one we're talking about?

[nova sparrow]

When it's a specific one I'd like to think it depends on the context. 🤔

[viral ibex]

okok, interesting

[spiral sage]

Guyssss does anyone know a good german app
Free, reliable and doesn't have too many ads?

[delicate tiger]

Please ask only in one channel at a time

[wispy yarrow]

#resources

[spiral sage]

Oh, yeah sorry
Didn't know that wasn't allowed?
Just needed a reply asap so thought one channel could be active while the other was not so did both bcz I didn't know which was active since I was busy atm

[plush pelican]

In general, #questions is the more active of the two. If you want a fast response, post there

[severe marsh]

does anyone have the standard german pronunciation for lebkuchen

i keep hearing it differently and im 🤨

[dawn oxide]

huh what are you hearing lol

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/De-Lebkuchen.ogg

is pretty accurate

or here https://www.dwds.de/wb/Lebkuchen

[rough sorrel]

How can I understand the content when the verb (for example in Nebensatz) or prefix of the verb in the end of the sentence when I listen to it? Danke vielmals !

[plain umbra]

Basically you just get used to it with more practice.

A huge part of language fluency is that you know the language well enough to "guess" what comes next.

You don't do it consciously. It's subconscious.

So as you hear each word, your brain is filtering down the options.

[lusty hornet]

How do you use the word "Zwar"?

[near folio]

It mostly draws attention to the fact that while the noun/sentence following it may be true, something else is also true, i.e. "he may be young, but he is experienced" --> Er ist zwar jung, aber er ist schon recht erfahren.

[plush pelican]

https://www.thegermanprofessor.com/german-adverb-zwar/

[jade hawk]

- Ja, bis du abgehauen bist. The show must go on.

Seine Stimme war kühl. Provozierend entspannt. Für Unangenehmes wechselt er gern ins Englische```

Was ist dieses `Für Unangenehmes`, dieses "für + nominalisiertet Adjektiv"? Wie sollte ich es verstehen? Ein Ersatz von `Bei unangenehmen Situationen wechselte er gern ins Englische [um sich zu beruhigen]/When things get unpleasant, he likes to switch to english [to calm himself down]` oder so was wie `Dazu, um die schon schwierigen Situationen unangenehmer zu machen, wechselt er gern ins Englische/To make things more unpleasant, he likes to switch to English`

[willow socket]

the first explanation is correct, I believe

Like for unpleasant situations or saying unpleasant things he likes to switch to english

[jade hawk]

So like Für Wichtiges verschiebe ich alles immer bis auf den letzten Moment would be another example, yeah?
When it comes to important stuff, I always procrastrinate until the very last moment

[thin oak]

Hi guys, does "zu" mean "too" and "at" both?
Cause I know "too cold" is "zu kalt"
And now Duolingo is showing me a sentence having "zu Hause" meaning "at home"

[plush pelican]

how come "get" means so many things?

I get what you're saying, get = verstehen, understand

I get paid, get = werden, become

I always get a milkshake, get = kaufen, buy

The answer is that most words do not have a single definition, but many

[whole portal]

Yes, zu has multiple meanings, both as a preposition and particle but also as an adverb and most importantly as a conjunction (vgl. "Infinitiv mit zu")
https://www.dwds.de/wb/zu

[plush pelican]

imagine a spider web with the word at the center, and branching out there are a bunch of different definitions all around it

When you take that word with its, say, 8 definitions, and then try to translate it into another language

The other language won't have used the same word for all 8 definitions

They have chosen to split things up differently

and so one word in English will have multiple different translations into German, depending on which definition of the English word you are using

and vice-versa

[thin oak]

Alrighty! Thanks guys!

[iron basalt]

I rarely ask questions anymore, but when I do, that's one of the only questions I ever ask in here. I ask native speakers to actually explain the use of a word bc a dictionary only goes so far and sometimes online examples are outdated, archaic, or just strange

[dense bay]

Hallo

[plain umbra]

Not inherently. There are plenty of words that are easier to learn by translation. For example, it's pretty sufficient to say that die Katze means "cat". Rather than learning that it means "A carnivorous, four-legged, generally furry domesticated species (Felis catus) of feline animal, commonly kept as a house pet."

But in this context where you're talking about prepositions, the difference is that you have to learn them by context rather than translation, since prepositions cannot be translated on their own.

[plain umbra]

@brazen mortar I deleted your comment since it's against the rules.

[brazen mortar]

Just to not repeat. Which rule?

[plain umbra]

But as to the part about finding other definitions, yeah, that's easier to do with translations.

[plain umbra]

The AI part.

[lilac dagger]

Is it even worth it to learn standard German if your goal is to be able to fluent in Switzerland?

And are there any good programs which teach swiss german?

[iron basalt]

It's definitely not impossible to learn Swiss German and forgoe learning standard, however it's absolutely not a good idea. Switzerland still has its own version of standard German. And you will need to learn that to live there too.