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still grove
nice i like
peak holly
there's something weird with the transition
still grove
i really like the switch from Germany to Switzerland and from Switzerland to Austria
lime sparrow
I absolutely hate how the widths don't align
Also, it should probably be square, and the swiss cross currently looks like denmark
I have an idea of sth that could look well, but I don't know how to make gifs
static pulsar
The Geman flag has residual colours from the Austrian flag. I also don't like how the widths don't align.
sand bramble
Also the "Austrian flag" isn't the Austrian flag. That's the military flag. 
Idk my idea was literally to throw together a program that generates frames with fancy transitions and then combine them in Photoshop.
peak holly
lol what a nerd
i'm p sure you can animate it directly in photoshop with much less hassle these days
unfortunately if there's one thing i don't do with photoshop is animations so i don't really know
lime sparrow
my idea btw was basically … I really liked that diagonal transition in berzi’s DACH variant emoji further above. so I was thinking some sort of diagonal sweep would probably look good
like have a diagonal sweep over the flag revealing the next flag “below” it
lucid ledge
I don't like the transition personally sorry
lime sparrow
also also, the default pic (first frame) should be the german flag even if half our moderators live in austria
peak holly
i like sascha's idea
i'd use the three flags diagonally split (either in D A CH order or with D in the middle since it's the most "iconic" for the language) as starting frame and then have them flip out one at a time (with one flag serving as background), and then flip in to form the starting frame again
at this point i could just try to make it myself, but no guarantees as to if or when
terse vortex
lucid ledge
@lime sparrow literally only arrem and kels lol
@sand bramble hey if you mod me we will finally have Austrian superiority just saying
lime sparrow
- es fängt immer noch mit der falschen Flagge an
- die Proportionen der Ö-Flagge sind falsch und anders als die der Deutschen (obwohl sie gleich sein sollten)
- Der Schimmer scheint mir sehr unnötig
- Ich mag die Art von Übergang immer noch nicht
terse vortex
Es ist ein Gif es gibt kein Anfang und Ende
lime sparrow
für discord schon
in der Serverliste wird das erste Frame angezeigt, wenn’s nicht animiert ist
peak holly
^
terse vortex
Die Proportionen der Flagge von Ö sind generell anders
peak holly
und nicht animiert ist es sowieso fast immer
lime sparrow
Österreich:
„Artikel 8a. (1) Die Farben der Republik Österreich sind rot-weiß-rot. Die Flagge besteht aus drei gleichbreiten waagrechten Streifen, von denen der mittlere weiß, der obere und der untere rot sind.“
Deutschland:
Ergänzend dazu wurde in der Anordnung über die deutschen Flaggen vom 7. Juni 1950[3] geregelt, dass die Bundesflagge aus drei gleich großen Querstreifen besteht, oben schwarz, in der Mitte rot, unten goldfarben, und dass das Verhältnis der Höhe zur Länge des Flaggentuches 3 zu 5 beträgt.
die Streifen sollten also die gleiche Grösse haben
peak holly
internet seite? 🤔
lime sparrow
beides wikipedia
peak holly
ich meine da:
Es ist halt nicht leicht eine passende internet seite zu finden
was für ein internet seite? Wofür
lime sparrow
und fürs schweizerkreuz gilt das hier
terse vortex
ich meine da:
was für ein internet seite? Wofür
@peak holly zum erstellen der gifs
ich hab nur eine gefunden bei der man wirklich fade effekte benutzen konnte
terse vortex
Wie groß dürfen die Datein für das Server icon sein?
lime sparrow
weiss es nicht, aber wenn’s sauber gemacht ist, sollten sie eh nicht zu gross sein
das sieht z.B. unscharf aus
terse vortex
Das server icon ist aber auch kleiner
lime sparrow
und es hat keine Animation am Ende
das hier ist das momentane icon von unserem Server, das ist grad mal 50kb gross
terse vortex
Meins ist auch nur 68 KB groß
lime sparrow
das normale von uns ist 180kb
also ich weiss nicht was das maximum ist aber das geht gut
terse vortex
Moment ich versuche am ende eine animation hinzuzufügen
lime sparrow
ich fänd nen diagonalen fade aber eh hübscher
terse vortex
kann ich machen
lime sparrow
find aber auch dass man sowas nicht mit ner webseite machen sollte, da hat man normalerweise einfach nicht genug kontrolle drüber
peak holly
getting better i think
terse vortex
yea
lime sparrow
fades to black at the end tho and I’m personally not a fan of gradients at all
but that’s subjective
peak holly
clearly the ch flag should fade again to the de one and make it an endless loop
terse vortex
Yea im gonna fix that wait
lime sparrow
and I was under the impression the austrian flag should be the same pure red FF0000 as the others?
didn’t we look that up a few days ago?
terse vortex
...
peak holly
and too much delay before the animation starts to kick in
terse vortex
and I was under the impression the austrian flag should be the same pure red FF0000 as the others?
@lime sparrow Ich hab die Flaggen von Wikipedia runtergeladen also sollten sie richtig sein
lime sparrow
I think that looks pretty good now! would be worth comparing to a completely gradient-less one tho, perhaps with a much faster transition
terse vortex
👍
lime sparrow
I have a feeling that could look good, but only if it’s fast enough
and having some options could be nice
peak holly
yeah and smooth enough
wild aurora
A minor detail but you can still see the cross in the German flag for like a second after the animation
terse vortex
hmm
lime sparrow
yea somethign is odd about the ch→de transition
I couldn’t quite place it
hui
“etwas” scheint mir nicht das richtige Wort dafür
lime sparrow
gefällt mir bisher am besten
terse vortex
schön
lilac urchin
Sieht nicht schlecht aus 👀
fathom fulcrum
It's not a bad concept but I think it would be better to have slightly slower and handpainted transitions tbh.
lime sparrow
jetzt lass noch für einen Frame irgendwo zwischen Ö und CH die FL-Flagge aufblitzen
terse vortex
lime sparrow
you mean like actually make potentially different transitions between the different flags? e.g. this transition looks very good between the two tricolors but only okay with the swiss flag and one could attempt sth different there
like idk, actually have the austrian flag transform from a — into +
but idk if that could possibly look good
it sounds neat on paper tho
fathom fulcrum
I meant just the same transition as that one but not done automatically by the video software (which I assume it is).
Then you can adjust exactly how smooth it is really easily. And for a fade transition it's very fast and easy to do.
Although other things could be done too in the same way, like making different transitions for different flags, but it would be harder to do that.
lime sparrow
clearly the proper way to incorporate FL is to have the transition line be a one pixel wide line that traces the colors of the FL-Flag
terse vortex
lime sparrow
(same with belgium and luxembourg, we have three transitions after all)
peak holly
could we see a version of the last one with no gradient?
terse vortex
Ich weiss nicht wo ihr da Farbverläufe seht
peak holly
personally i think it's quite close without the latest wave of details that was proposed
gloomy matrix
make the shade of blue in the luxembourg flag just a little bit too dark so it's hard to tell if it's luxembourg or the netherlands for the meme
peak holly
do we really need anything outside DACH?
lime sparrow
personally i think it's quite close without the latest wave of details that was proposed
those were in jest
I think just D A and CH are fine
peak holly
does it show that i stopped reading at one point
distant ocean
I don't know if there already is one but wouldn't it be easier if there was a place where all future lessons are shown/time they will be at
gloomy matrix
faq lessons
dull horizonBOT
gloomy matrix
basically sub to the appropriate role and check your pings
wild aurora
There will be a bot command providing a schedule in the future, everyone is just a bit busy atm
versed flame
april fools prank : speak denglish
lucid ledge
We already do lol
static pulsar
April fools prank : everyone speaks perfect german
lofty oracle
april fools prank: Do the prank on April 2nd so people will think it's actually serious
weary night
April fools prank: the bot translates everything to another germanic language
(Like danish or dutch)
still grove
april fools prank: everyone only talks in their mother tongue the whole day
obtuse stone
April fools prank: suggesting April fools pranks in June 
lilac urchin
April fools prank: bullying bulli
void dust
Here is my suggestion for an animated server icon
fathom fulcrum
Did you make it? @void dust
void dust
Yes, it took me a few hours to make as I haven't been making things like that for a while
I know but I intended to show the connection between the flags > maybe a bit too much animation stuff going on
@terse vortex
terse vortex
you stole my flags
void dust
Well technically they are free to use
wild aurora
you might want to look up the definiton of theft
terse vortex
No i don't
lime sparrow
the only bit I’m not that big a fan of is the rotating animation to get to the swiss cross, it looks a bit odd to me. I could see extending straight up to look better but idk
peak holly
i like snorri's version. I kind of a gree with sascha on the transition to the swiss flag but i don't have a strong opinion (nor an idea on how to change it sadly)
felix's last one has too many different kinds of transitions and i don't like the black background when transitioning out of DE
terse vortex
Ja wir übetreiben langsam
fathom fulcrum
I mean, it's like Sascha said. Instead of the turning animation, you just have to top/bottom parts extend directly out.
lime sparrow
I don’t know if that would end up looking good but I think it’s worth a shot
delicate hawk
i feel like u guys are overanalysing lol
terse vortex
true
lime sparrow
having some options to choose from is good
fathom fulcrum
Nuh I agree with it, Sascha. I had the same thought when I looked at it.
The twisting is the part that looks off.
lime sparrow
wait, we agree on something?
fathom fulcrum
😄
delicate hawk
i Mean felixs last version doesnt have the turning thingy u guys hate
fathom fulcrum
And Fiona, commenting on if you like an animation is not overanalysing. It's quite clearly a very surface level opinion.
lime sparrow
it has many other things tho
I can also think of two different ways to do the extending vertically: making it grow in all directions, or keeping it at a fixed width
idk which would look better
I feel like the former tho
void dust
I think the rotation of the swiss cross looked much smoother in the previous format that is mp4 but it has to be a gif
lime sparrow
what I definitely like a lot is shrinking the swiss cross into the german flag
that bit is good
the de→at transition is fine but I don’t necessarily love it
fathom fulcrum
Btw, if it seems as though people are being very specific about what they want to see, it's because such an image would be selected to represent the server, so if we're going to add it, it has to be better than what we already have.
void dust
should I try to apply the same change of the swiss cross that is between the swiss and german flag?
lime sparrow
that would leave it oddly imbalanced with two of the same animation and one different
imo
void dust
I don't sure if it is possible to have quality like this in gif
peak holly
the chinese/english exchange server has a very crisp looking one. If the only allowed format is gif then it's definitely possible
i think we can worry about that later though. I too would like to see a "linear" transition for the swiss flag as proposed by sascha and base
the vertical bar of the swiss cross could come out without rotation from the horizontal bar, or alternatively, if we change the red of the austrian flag to FF0000 (as apparently it should be despite wikipedia's image of it), it could instead slide up or down and the white cross slides in from there, as if we're panning
terse vortex
Dann mach mal
peak holly
Dann mach mal
too busy atm. If Snorri got bored i'll try making it tomorrow or some other time but no promises
lime sparrow
this won't work @terse vortex the icon has to be square
terse vortex
Wir sollten die Community voten lass aus den.. 5 oder so die wir erstellt haben
sand bramble
(as apparently it should be despite wikipedia's image of it)
Source?
peak holly
(i was technically mistaken but we can, and most likely should, use FF0000 for aesthetic reasons)
proven adder
i really like snorris animation so far, thanks so much for putting in the effort wow
sand bramble
Yeah, I'd be fine with keeping Snorri's as it is. I'm not a fan of equalizing the colors.
void dust
another version
fathom fulcrum
Yeah, that's nicer. But it has a weird effect when the white bar shrinks? Is that just an error in converting it to a gif?
And this one has lower frame rate compared to the other version, right?
peak holly
i think the white bar doesn't shrink ( = morph into the horizontal bar of the swiss cross) but simply fades out while the cross fades in
obtuse stone
Yeah, the first one seems to fade out, but the 2nd one shrinks upon appearing I think
void dust
I don't know how many frames it has but definitely less then the video I've used to convert into the gif
peak holly
are you using photoshop or something else?
(just curious-i don't have tips to give on this except trying out export for screens if you're on ps)
sand bramble
Compromise: have the gif do two runs except one has equalized colors and one has normal colors, and see if people notice.
fathom fulcrum
@void dust Oh I see. I just mean if you compare the first gif and second gif you posted (not the video) the first one is a lot smoother while the second one looks framey. And then the first one transforms into the Swiss cross smoothly, but the second one has this weird flickery transform effect that kinda feels bad on the eyes.
void dust
This one has again a diffrend cross animation
If you like, you can download these and try to make a gif I still didn't manage to find any better way
the previous one in video file
lime sparrow
it’s noticable that the white stripe of the austrian flag fades away
rather than transforming
it should not fade out but go poof immediately
so e.g. in this frame only the deformed cross should be there
I think with that change it’d be perfect
terse vortex
🤦
sand bramble
#giveaustriaitsrightfulnonff0000color
lime sparrow
yes, I am going to mention it if there’s room for improvement left
obtuse stone
I think it's nice
to do so
go on :3
We will have the product of this here for a long while, Felix
And it will be like the first thing people see
I don't think there is anything wrong with trying to make it as good as possible
lime sparrow
We will have the product of this here for a long while, Felix
I suspect 285 days before it gets changed again
(if it were implemented today)
viral flax
What u talkin about?
viral flax
where is belgium
lime sparrow
took you that long to work out what is in 285 days, bulli?
not represented
neither is liechtenstein nor luxembourg
viral flax
and the german enklaven in romania?
lime sparrow
are not countries
obtuse stone
I actually have no idea
I was just thinking of screening it
and looking at our icon in 285 days
Ok, I see
void dust
🇦🇹 🇩🇪 So should I change the colour of austrian flag back to light red besides that issue with the white stripe (version 2)?
lime sparrow
I personally prefer the same red for all three flags. looks more cohesive and avoids bad looking gradients
sand bramble
Idk I'm definitely more for it, I quite liked the subtle color transition in the very first version you posted, but I also don't particularly mind if people are so incredibly bothered by it. Though I may write to the Austrian parliament and require that they define the color to be the one that I like. 😌
void dust
I can stylize all the colours to look more monochromatic too
the read colour should look like something between these both then
versed flame
April fools prank: suggesting April fools pranks in June :derp:
@obtuse stone imagine making april fools in july just to prove you wrong 🙂
void dust
fathom fulcrum
I like that.
peak holly
like
void dust
The version with lighter colours doesn't fit to Discord's design 🤔
peak holly
personally i like them this way
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void dust
the only final gif I can make
wild aurora
what happened here
void dust
I said I can't do it better
lime sparrow
gefällt mir sehr gut (modulo dem gelben muster da)
sand bramble
Just say it's intentional.
wild aurora
mh I think it looks weird :/
sand bramble
Just squint and you won't notice it.
obtuse stone
wild aurora
well I don't want to step on anyone's toes but I think if we replace the server icon it should be an improved version and not a compromise where we have to say "ah well just ignore that part"
obtuse stone
That's not wrong
lime sparrow
surely someone else can turn that video file into a better quality gif
cause the video looks very good
peak holly
what happened here
@wild aurora that's dithering. The GIF format supports an embarrassingly limited amount of colours so editing programs do that to simulate colours that aren't technically usable. At smaller sizes the artifacts shouldn't be visible at all
the alternative would be to force the closest supported colours instead of the ones that were picked (red, white, and black shouldn't be a problem though)
proven adder
oh, interesting
void dust
What do you use to make your gifs? @terse vortex
proven adder
TIL
peak holly
obtuse stone
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proven adder
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gilded mauve
suggest Verbesserungsvorschlag zum Thema Emoji
dull horizonBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
gilded mauve
Ja ich hab meinen Vorschlag nachher editiert, das hat ihn zerstört 😂
quaint cipher
Lmao
terse vortex
What do you use to make your gifs? @terse vortex
@void dust I used Filmora9
void dust
Gut
terse vortex
Yea
gilded mauve
Das ist mir ehrlich gesagt alles zu wenig zentral... die Mittellinie ist nicht in der Mitte, Österreich hat oben mehr rot als unten und das Schweizer Kreuz ist auch nicht in der Mitte und das stört mich, tut mir leid
obtuse stone
Da bevorzuge ich https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/258608634575978496/723938460620161034,
aber deine Idee find ich nicht schlecht
gilded mauve
Ja, ich ehrlich gesagt auch
terse vortex
Das Kreuz ist nicht in der Mitte da die Deutsche Flagge Deutsch am meisten repräsentiert
gilded mauve
Hä?
Was hat das Schweizer Kreuz, das nicht in der Mitte ist, mit der deutschen Flagge zu tun?
terse vortex
Ach so das Schweizer Kreuz meinst du
gilded mauve
"Das Schweizer Kreuz ist nicht in der Mitte" 😄
gilded mauve
Mag keine halben Sachen
terse vortex
Kreuz
gilded mauve
Also sind Schweiz + Österreich gemeinsam nicht so viel wert wie Deutschland?
terse vortex
Doch, aber die Deutsche Flagge repräsentiert die Deutsche Sprache
terse vortex
schön
also eigentlich nicht
ich glaube ihr seid da alle ein bisschen spitzfinderisch
proven adder
tja wir wissen halt alle genau was wir wollen, ist doch eig gut
gilded mauve
Ich bin absolute Perfektionistin, was Linien und Formen und so angeht
terse vortex
Ich glaube ich habe von den Admins noch nicht mal ein "Danke, dass ihr für unseren Server ein Icon macht" gehört
gilded mauve
Das tut mir in den Augen weh, wenn das nicht in der Mitte ist
terse vortex
Das tut mir leid
gilded mauve
Da musst du dich woanders beschweren, ich würde mich bedanken, aber es zählt nicht, weil ich kein Admin bin
terse vortex
Ich finde es nur ein bisschen frech von denen
lime sparrow
Das tut mir in den Augen weh, wenn das nicht in der Mitte ist
es wäre gut möglich, dass es dezentral besser aussähe, symmetrie ist nicht immer das aesthetischte
Ich glaube ich habe von den Admins noch nicht mal ein "Danke, dass ihr für unseren Server ein Icon macht" gehört
es ist ja auch noch mitten in der Diskussion
ich danke meiner Mutter normalerweise nach dem Essen fürs Kochen
und mMn wäre nicht spitzfindig sein absolut unangebracht
wir reden hier von einem extrem sichtbaren Logo eines 10'000-Seelen-Servers
das muss schon passen
gilded mauve
es wäre gut möglich, dass es dezentral besser aussähe, symmetrie ist nicht immer das aesthetischte
@lime sparrow Damit meine ich jetzt nicht die Mittellinie (das haben wir schon ausdiskutiert, damit kann ich mich anfreunden), sondern dass CH + AT nicht in der Mitte sind. Das stört dich nicht?
So spitzfindig finde ich das jetzt nicht, ich kann das mit bloßem Auge und ein wenig Entfernung sehen
lime sparrow
doch schon, so wie’s da war hat’s mir auch nicht gefallen, aber es kann durchaus sein, dass z.B. ein bisschen näher bei der Mitte fürs Auge schöner aussähe, als perfekt zentriert
terse vortex
Ich finde es im höchsten Maße unverschämt es als Selbstverständlichkeit hinzunehmen dass sich Leute für deinen Server engagieren und Zeit darin investieren ein Icon zu kreiren. Snorri z.B meinte er habe mehrere Stunden gebraucht um seine Version zu erstellen. Anstatt sich aber mal dafür zu bedanken wird wieder nur an Feinheiten rumgemeckert.
lime sparrow
alter, niemand nimmt es als Selbstverständlichkeit hin
gilded mauve
Felix, du hast uns gefragt
lime sparrow
wir sind einfach noch am ausdiskutieren
gilded mauve
Wenn du mich fragst, antworte ich dir ehrlich
lime sparrow
und mit “wir” meine ich hier alle anwesenden, ich kann ja schwer als nicht-Mod für die Mods sprechen
terse vortex
Felix, du hast uns gefragt
@gilded mauve Es geht nicht darum ob ich es gut findet oder nicht
lime sparrow
eure Arbeit ist toll, ehrlich. ich bin sehr froh, dass es jemand macht. aber ich mag auch, dass es perfekt aussieht
also werde ich kommentieren, wenn ich was zu verbessern sehe
alles andere sähe ich als heuchlerisch
void dust
Jo, ich wolle einfach meiner Idee umsetzen, es hat länger gedauert als erwartet aber so ist es manchmal mit neuen Dingen
gilded mauve
Felix, nimm es nicht so persönlich
terse vortex
Darum geht es mir auch nicht. Es geht mir auch eher um die Admins als um euch
wild aurora
Mal ganz abgesehen davon dass viele menschen nun mal viele verschiedene meinungen haben und bisher jegliche kritik eher konstruktiv war möchte ich an der stelle einfach auch mal anmerken dass es doch dein eigener vorschlag war ?
Unsere antwort auf deinen vorschlag war eher im sinne von "coole idee, wenn du eins machen möchtest, immer her damit", niemand zwingt dich dazu und die verantwortung hier impliziert auf uns umzuwälzen ist auch nicht ganz richtig
lime sparrow
(die Antwort übrigens ist bereits Monate so im Raum gestanden)
(ich glaub das war sogar ich, der die genau gleiche Idee mit ner Animation zuerst hatte)
(leider hab ich keine Ahnung vom Animieren und niemand sonst hatte Zeit/Lust/Können)
jedenfalls bin ich persönlich sehr glücklich mit dem Resultat von Snorri
peak holly
what became of the proposal for the animated icon, since i think we have a clear winner candidate?
(Snorri's design, my .gif export)
delicate hawk
this was all a prank
delicate hawk
@peak holly they will prolly jus implement it after their mod meeting.
delicate hawk
suggest mods could perhaps give out specific roles (ex: top helper [ doesnt have to be this exactly, just an example] ) to the people who help out the most in channels like questions and writing to show the communities appreciation to these people who are volunteering.
dull horizonBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
delicate hawk
I think i have seen other servers do this too.
gloomy matrix
by what measures will 'helping out the most' be measured in a way to keep it fair and not a favourites game?
fathom fulcrum
We are thankful for every person who helps others on this server. However, there is no benefit in creating a role for it, as it's not possible to put a value on helpfulness. Even the person who helps once adds value to the server, just as the person who helps 100 times. We feel that, for the most part, the thanks for providing help should come from the community itself.
Besides, the people who volunteer to help in this server don't do it because they want a reward. They just do it because they want to help others. And they are well aware that people are grateful for all their hard work.
delicate hawk
by what measures will 'helping out the most' be measured in a way to keep it fair and not a favourites game?
@gloomy matrix some people are present day in and day out solving grammar doubts for others, and there are not many people who are doing that kinda work.
But yes i understand Bases's argument too, its just something that i saw on another server and thought of suggesting here.
fathom fulcrum
It's a nice suggestion, but I just wanted to explain why I personally don't think it's something that can be done.
delicate hawk
Besides, the people who volunteer to help in this server don't do it because they want a reward. They just do it because they want to help others. And they are well aware that people are grateful for all their hard work.
Well , it always feels a tad bit better when the recognition is official and stuff y'know. Idk maybe its just me.
fathom fulcrum
Sure, it would be nice, if we had some kind of measurable achievement we could reward. But the way a learning community like this works, having a role to reward helpful people would just cause more hurt feelings than happy ones.
delicate hawk
I don't think people are gonna feel hurt. theres a very small group members who are really active in this area, and they are easy to recognise Imo.
fathom fulcrum
I disagree. You might have a select group that you feel is worthy of an official role, but that doesn't mean everyone else is going to agree.
And the whole concept of getting others to agree simply leads to the problem SUNSET mentioned, of popularity competitions.
quaint cipher
Putting certain people on a pedestal while others aren't never feels nice. There's always gonna be people who feel left out and others who feel like this role makes them superior somehow. It's better when a community fosters a feeling of equality amongst its members.
fathom fulcrum
Yeah, because if we had such a role and it was up to me to decide, I would give the role to every single person who ever helped someone, even if it was only once.
But then the role is kinda useless.
delicate hawk
yah you guys are kinda right
lime sparrow
there is some merit to the argument that some people have proven more accurate in their explanations than others
but, well
I don’t think highlighting that is worth all the social issues that come with it
quaint cipher
This could discourage others from trying to help though, if someone has a badge of "my corrections are better than yours"
lime sparrow
as said I don’t think it’s worth it :P
I just wanted to mention it as a counterpoint
fathom fulcrum
I think it's more practical to take the opposite approach anyway. Instead of rewarding people who give accurate info, it makes more sense to talk to the people who provide inaccurate info (which we usually do if we see someone doing it multiple times).
lime sparrow
also people don’t look at roles
quaint cipher
And I counterpointed your very valid and not necessarily personal counterpoint 😛
lime sparrow
as evidenced by the roughly daily variaton on “is anyone here a native speaker”
quaint cipher
I think it's more practical to take the opposite approach anyway. Instead of rewarding people who give accurate info, it makes more sense to talk to the people who provide inaccurate info (which we usually do if we see someone doing it multiple times).
Ya my thoughts exactly, and it's what's been happening anyway
It works well
lime sparrow
yea I definitely counteract it when I see someone giving wrong info. that’s honestly one of the best ways to get me to speak in one of the learning channels
I don’t think I’m making friends that way but, well, someone has to
and it’s hard to make “what you said is wrong” sound nice
fathom fulcrum
It's fine. Providing accurate and non-harmful learning info is one of the primary goals of the server.
delicate hawk
lol i think there was a whole psychological thing where people are more tempted to correct something wrong, than answer to a requested question in the first place.
azure stream
wie wärs mit einem Zählen Channel hier? Also wo man die Zahlen ausschreiben muss
lilac urchin
Du musst >suggest schreiben @azure stream
quaint cipher
wie wärs mit einem Zählen Channel hier? Also wo man die Zahlen ausschreiben muss
Ich hab's kaum kapiert
azure stream
suggest wie wärs mit einem Zählen Channel hier? Also wo man die Zahlen ausschreiben muss, automatisches Suggesten in dem Channel ohne >suggest
dull horizonBOT
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azure stream
@quaint cipher
eins
zwei
drei
..
quaint cipher
Warum denn?
lilac urchin
Ehm
azure stream
ja, kann man gut Zahlen lernen
delicate hawk
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weary night
Wenn man die Session Holder Rolle hat, kann man den Bildschirm teilen
Bildschirm teilen wird oft zu diesem Zweck (lernen und zusammenlesen meine ich) gebraucht, deswegen hat die Lesson Holder Rolle den Zugriff auf diese Funktion
Ich glaube dass anderen nicht teilen dürfen, weil die Mod nicht wollen, dass diese Erlaubnis missgebraucht wird.
Haben wir schon ein bisschen Dokumentation über wie man den Bildschirm teilen könnte? Diese Idee wird schon oft vorschlagt.
Ein FAQ wäre schön vielleicht
Oder es einfach in Study Räumen erlauben
dusky sparrow
mein letzter Vorschlag wurde einfach gelöscht. Es wäre einfach Zeitverschwendung drüber zu reden. Anscheinend ist es schon ganz klar, wer die Session Holder Rolle verdient, und ich verfüge zurzeit nicht über so viel Zeit, um Sessionen zu halten... :C
weary night
Hmm ich glaube leider dass dieses Thema hier ändernd wird, aber in Bezug auf Harry Potter spezifisch gibt es eine Kopie des ersten Buchs, die in dem Lesson Kanal gepinnt wurde. Ihr könnt von diesem Vorlesen, und weil ihr die gleiche Kopie haben, würdet ihr nicht so leicht den Inhaltsstoff verlieren
Sowas machen wir in den Lesestunden im Server (wenn es zu viele Menschen gibt oder wenn der Unterrichtshalter schlechte Verbindung hat)
lime sparrow
sooo… the server icon… is it ever going to be changed?
there seemed to be consensus, at least among those who participated in the convo, that this one’s good: https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/258608634575978496/723938460620161034
is there anything else that has to be done before it can be changed?
peak holly
yes, the team has to discuss and accept it
gloomy matrix
i do believe they have a schedule for when they address suggestions
the last big group was done on the 19th and the group before that on the 1st
lime sparrow
this is still resolving an already addressed suggestion tho
gloomy matrix
ah whelp, prod em with a stick?
lime sparrow
that’s what I just did :P
gloomy matrix
unless it happened by dm it didn't seem violent enough. by prod i mean beat them over the head til they notice lmao
lime sparrow
let’s start with a gentle nudge
more aggressive methods such as pinging can be invoked later
peak holly
would your course of action change if i told you they've already been gently nudged recently? https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/258608634575978496/724677593487638558
sand bramble
We're being nudged by work and exams so our regular discussion sessions are the only time we can all come together to discuss stuff.
jagged heart
My suggestion is to unban Mr. Nate. He has regretted his mistake of getting too defensive regarding a certain discourse that was held between him and a homosexual. The person he was having a dialogue with probably had a bad day and got offended by something minor, which usually isn't offensive. His discord tag: Herr Prinzesschen#0001
lapis nymph
@peak holly @lime sparrow @gloomy matrix wir haben es nicht vergessen, macht euch keine Sorgen
still grove
suggest Allow creating small groups for dedicated learners so they could ping each other with it and run activities or so together.
dull horizonBOT
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fathom fulcrum
Can you explain more about what you mean?
still grove
say for instance, I'm in group A01. A few people and I from the server could use it to do learning activities together. It could be made up of 10 people and every time I ping it these people get a notification, and we could do some reading or grammar exercises together.
kind of like a class setting
lime sparrow
I think they mean like letting anyone make new groups with the bot
like the reading group but, well, custom
still grove
i need to think of different ways of employing this idea, I just thought it up now sooo
fathom fulcrum
Is there a reason why the existing groups don't match what you want?
still grove
I dont want to ping a million people with @ reading for instance or something like that
fathom fulcrum
Why not?
still grove
can I actually do that?
fathom fulcrum
You can only ping the role with special permissions. But you're always welcome to ask a moderator to help you ping to set up a session.
still grove
oh that makes me so anxious tho
fathom fulcrum
Why?
still grove
I'd rather ping 5-10 people who i get to know better over time than everyone on the server who has the role, you feel me?
fathom fulcrum
Oh I see. Then that sounds like a personal thing and not a server thing.
You should meet 5-10 people and make a private DM group with them.
Since the server is quite large, it wouldn't be reasonable for us to have hundreds of small groups like that if a lot of people happened to be interested. Especially since many of them would just die out quite quickly and be unused.
still grove
thats what, these groups could very well be hidden or something
and only done if someone actually wants to start one
which is why i said dedicated learners
and this kind of takes off the pressure of DMs, because if i get pinged on the server and i missed it, it isnt so bad. But if I get pinged on a DM, i feel obliged to answer. Maybe just how i see it
lime sparrow
I feel like if they’re regularly cleaned up when there’s no activity after say, a month, it wouldn’t grow out of hand. I doubt they’d even be used very actively
fathom fulcrum
What do you mean by "takes off the pressure of DMs"?
I mean, aren't you essentially saying you want to give the work to us rather than do it yourself? Or am I misunderstanding what you're asking here?
lime sparrow
no I think they just mean that it’d be easier to set up a small group here with the bot and have the interested people join it than having to exchange friend reqs, inviting everyone and so on
it also keeps the german learning on the german server
fathom fulcrum
Sure, that is useful. That's why we have the current groups system.
lime sparrow
yea and the suggestion is basically to allow people to make groups on their own
fathom fulcrum
I just mean in terms of having a close group of people who you get to know long term and it's limited to only 5-10 people.
That seems like an obvious scenario for a DM group.
lime sparrow
like without having to effectively apply for it as it is now
I mean I personally just have a hatred of DM groups 😅
fathom fulcrum
Yeah but you're not looking to participate in a group like this anyway.
lime sparrow
indeed but if I have an opinion it’s likely some others do too
fathom fulcrum
To put it more clearly, I don't even see how this kind of system would work. Like for example, let's say you have your group, limited to 10 people. What if someone else wants to join? How would they do that? Are they forbidden and left to study alone?
And in what way would be limit the creation and joining of groups? Could someone join multiple groups? Do people just make as many groups as they want any time?
still grove
these are more valid concerns, I feel, more than what you previously stated.
lime sparrow
I mean just consider the example implementation of “allow anyone to use the bot to create custom groups and manage the groups they created, with mods cleaning up unused groups every now and then”
fathom fulcrum
No, my previous concerns were also very valid and important to consider.
wild aurora
Well I think the main issue with this would be that it gets extremely messy really quickly
People creating groups means everyone would be able to create groups, for every group there would have to be a new role since the bot pings roles, not individual members
For every group, everyone in the group would need to be able to add every other person to every group they're in
It's just very very impractical
fathom fulcrum
It's impractical and we already have a system that would probably work completely fine for the same purpose.
Like if you and your 5-10 friends all join Reading, for example, and host a regular sessions once a week, that would work well, even if some extra people join.
still grove
naja, I thought this would help create more classroom-like learning on the server. I'll refine the idea further and maybe suggest it next week. Mal sehen
thanks for the critique, just more food for thought!
fathom fulcrum
Okay, no problem. My recommendation is to try to avoid something that requires using the bot because anything of this nature using the bot is probably going to be messy, as mentioned.
You can also discuss the topic in #community-discussion to get other people's ideas if you want.
still grove
Thank you! I'll do that
peak holly
suggest After seeing it in action I've noticed a couple issues with the animated logo so i propose an improved version. The changes include:
- shorter initial frame, otherwise if you don't know of the animation you'd have to be lucky to notice it's there at all.
- the colours have been slightly muted, since compared to other similar colours they appeared way too vibrant.
- slightly sped up the animation
dull horizonBOT
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peak holly
note that if you look at it in a loop it may appear to cycle too fast through the german flag but since it's the initial frame it will be there most of the time
fathom fulcrum
@peak holly Is it possible you can add more of the german flag at the end?
peak holly
i could make it stay even longer if needed; admittedly i didn't measure its length to equal the others when i moved part of the length from the start to the end
fathom fulcrum
It doesn't have to be exact but roughly the same would be great.
peak holly
i'll post another version later or tomorrow if i don't forget
sand bramble
still feels like the german one stays less long than the others
Good.
The German flag is active by default so idm it being cut shorter. 
fathom fulcrum
Nooo.
Arrem, it should be the same length, just at the end.
So it changes fastly but doesn't look weird af.
static pulsar
Fastly?
peak holly
unslowly
loud pivot
!suggest It would be nice to have roles for people who have lived for a significant time in a particular German-speaking country, so you could know where people are talking about when they talk about what things are like in Germany/Austria/Switzerland/Luxembourg/Lichtenstein/Belgium/maybe some other places
suggest It would be nice to have roles for people who have lived for a significant time in a particular German-speaking country, so you could know where people are talking about when they talk about what things are like in Germany/Austria/Switzerland/Luxembourg/Lichtenstein/Belgium/maybe some other places
dull horizonBOT
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@loud pivot, your suggestion has been answered:
gloomy matrix
similar suggestions about location roles of various kinds get submitted here every other week
lapis nymph
dein Vorschlag ist nicht genau der gleiche, aber er würde die gleichen Probleme haben
peak holly
sure about that? 🤔 I think including only as high-level distinctions as the country wouldn't be too problematic
and people who aren't confident with sharing that info (unlikely, on the scale of countries) or think it wouldn't be accurate to their background/way of speaking could simply not get one such role
lapis nymph
dafür brauchen wir aber nicht noch mehr Rollen, die wahrscheinlich selten bemerkt/verwendet würden. Man könnte stattdessen seinen Namen mit einem Zusatz versehen, wenn man das irgendwie zeigen will
proven adder
oh i understood it more like a has lived in DACH before role that doesnt just apply to native speakers
dull horizonBOT
@wet python, your suggestion has been answered:
@gilded mauve, your suggestion has been answered:
Verbesserungsvorschlag zum Thema Emoji in der Praxis werden Sätze oft editiert, wenn sie Fehler enthalten haben und die Verfasser darauf hingewiesen wurden. Dann ist das Emoji eventuell nicht mehr richtig oder sogar irritierend, der Satz stimmt ja inzwischen vielleicht. Können wir bitte die Reaktion automatisch entfernen, wenn ein Satz editiert wird? Danke und bussi ❤️
@delicate hawk, your suggestion has been answered:
@azure stream, your suggestion has been answered:
@dusky sparrow, your suggestion has been answered:
lapis nymph
Stellas Vorschlag hat jetzt eine Umfrage in #community-discussion : https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/676090288275587072/726873384050491414
dusky sparrow
Mhhh... Und kann ich die Antwort antworten? Was nervt mich ist wenn wir in Study Group sind und Trolls aus heiterem Himmel kommen, um Nichts außer "lustigen" Geräuschen zu machen. Deswegen wäre es soo nett Study Gruppen für 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 (was auch immer Nummer) zu haben: Trolls draußen zu halten
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Und, was die Bildschirm-Teilung angeht, haben wir schon glücklicherweise Mittel gefunden, um zusammen irgendeines erwünschte Buch zu lesen. Es ist so eine Schade, dass Leute die Funktion missbrauchen könnten... Sehr sehr Schade...
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Bevor irgendeiner mich falsch interpretiert, muss ich sagen: ich bin ja was trauriges und habe verstanden, dass Nichts davon verwirklicht wird. Dennoch wollte ich die Gründen für meine Suggestion (und wohl andere, die drüber stehen) besser darstellen.
gloomy matrix
when there are trolls ping the mods. that's what the mods are there for. they can't ban trolls if they don't knoe they're there trolling but are very happy to when someone actually notifies them that there are trolls there
lucid ledge
making more study groups unfortunately doesnt minimize the likelihood that trolls will join. The easiest way would be like sun suggested to immediately ping the mods and make it be known so they can kick them out themselves
weary night
Restricting the size also restricts people to want to join from joining
gloomy matrix
and if you find a consistent group you enjoy practicing with, it's very easy to make a group dm and hold a vc call there
dull horizonBOT
@gilded mauve, your suggestion has been answered:
Verbesserungsvorschlag zum Thema Emoji in der Praxis werden Sätze oft editiert, wenn sie Fehler enthalten haben und die Verfasser darauf hingewiesen wurden. Dann ist das Emoji eventuell nicht mehr richtig oder sogar irritierend, der Satz stimmt ja inzwischen vielleicht. Können wir bitte die Reaktion automatisch entfernen, wenn ein Satz editiert wird? Danke und bussi ❤️
chilly merlin
Might be cool to have a "Correct me" / "Don't correct me" role. A lot people have it mentioned in their nickname, would be better to just have a role for it.
wild aurora
We explicitly tell people to put it in their names because people don't bother looking at roles
Corrections are also the default on the server
peak holly
also, there's already a role for those who don't want to be corrected on this learning server. You can get it by clicking here:
weary night
suggest the ability to set lessons as weekly reoccurring
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magic jasper
@void dust what do you use to make the icon
ebon mountain
@fathom fulcrum if our next lesson is basic introductions, maybe you could set apart some time during the lesson for 1on1 convos or something like that? Or maybe schedule a meeting to practice.
Or like... "I am Jakey, this si X. How are you X?"
fathom fulcrum
Sure, np. But the correct channel for discussing this stuff is #community-discussion
ebon mountain
Oh, sorry. Well... I'll know for the next time!
tight hill
suggest add #community-discussion and a description to #282831147942281216
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quaint cipher
suggest Leute zu erwähnen bzw. ''pingen'', um sie zu informieren, dass eine Stunde gleich beginnt - etwa 30 Minuten vor dem Start oder so.
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gloomy matrix
yep that is alreay how it's done
quaint cipher
Ich werde erwähnt wenn Lehrer sagen, dass es ein Unterricht geben wird. Aber nicht, wenn es kurz vorm Beginn ist
Aber ok nimm es weg
lime sparrow
it’s ultimately up to the person holding the class to remember doing it ofc
insofar it isn’t really something server-side anyway and would best be discussed in #community-discussion anyway
weary night
Honestly i forget to ping reading an hour before
I sometimes remeber half an hour before
obtuse stone
You could set a reminder for that
fathom fulcrum
I think any time beforehand is fine.
An hour, 30 minutes, 10 minutes.
Even right on the time (since usually it takes a while for people to join regardless).
If people forget despite that, that's their problem for not noting the time on their own.
obtuse stone
Du könntest dich von dem Bot erinnern lassen, Blue
>remind [time] stuff
But maybe we could let a ping be scheduled automatically along with the scheduling of the sessions? 
fathom fulcrum
I don't really think automatic pinging is a good idea.
But I did consider the idea of pinging the session holder.
But it would take some work to implement so right now it's not included.
obtuse stone
I see ^^
gritty geyser
Hallo,
ich bin Muttersprachler und möchte gerne um die entsprechende Rolle bitten.
gilded swan
Das klingt nicht so, als wenn das ein Muttersprachler sagen würde.
gritty geyser
🤣
Das klingt nicht so, als wenn das ein Muttersprachler sagen würde.
@gilded swan Hochdeutsch geht anders. Und Euer Kanal "Anderes Sprachen" ist grammatikalisch falsch. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
*andere sprachen
Ändert das mal. Dann könnt Ihr hier rumstänkern.
gilded swan
#other-languages <-- hab mal nochmal nen Blick hierauf
gritty geyser
Gut, ich habe mich verguckt. Aber das lasse ich mir nicht bieten. Tschö mit ö. 😠😠😠
quaint cipher
lol was
brave mauve
#other-languages sollte in "other-languages" umbenannt werden.
quaint cipher
@brave mauve schreibe “>suggest“ vor deinem Vorschlag sodass der Bot ihn registriert
brave mauve
suggest #other-languages sollte in "other-languages" umbenannt werden.
dull horizonBOT
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brave mauve
Dankeee!
quaint cipher
😄
brave mauve
ehrenmann
quaint cipher
suggest Ein Kanal als Stundenplan, wo Lehrer oder Mods ihre Stunden beschreiben können (z. B. Was wird beigebracht, wann, für welches Niveau, wer unterrichtet...). So müssen Leute nicht ständig die Infos selbst hervorrufen.
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fathom fulcrum
@quaint cipher Can you explain more about that? Like what's exactly wrong with using the bot to see the info yourself? And how does a channel improve that?
quaint cipher
Ich dachte, dass es vielleicht nett wäre, wenn die Infos für alle Stunden immer irgendwo ergreifbar wären. So können wir auch wissen, wenn es neue Stunden gibt. Natürlich posten die Lehrer ihre Stunden in #lessons , aber sie werden manchmal verloren als Leute da sprechen. Und natürlich können wir die Infos hervorrufen, aber 1. dann müssen wir wissen, dass es eine überhaupt Stunde gibt und 2. ich denke, ein Kanal wäre leichter, um Fragen zu beantworten
So was wie...
Grammar lesson
Teacher: @X
When: 20/03/2020 20:30
Level: beginner
Etc etc
fathom fulcrum
For point 2: But if you allowed people to ask questions there, wouldn't you have the same issue as #lessons ? That info gets buried?
quaint cipher
Deswegen hab ich geschrieben dass nur Lehrer und Mods da posten könnten
Es wäre buchstäblich ein Stundenplan
fathom fulcrum
Then what do you mean by point 2?
quaint cipher
Man kann einfach dort blicken und verstehen was passiert
Und um was der Unterricht geht
Mögt ihr keine neue Kanäle? Dann vielleicht ein googlesheet. Pinne es auf #lessons
dull horizonBOT
quaint cipher
Don’t rufen Leute den Bot ständig vor
Was ist dann mit... Moment ich weiß nicht was das Kommando ist
fathom fulcrum
Huh?
quaint cipher
Session Info?
dull horizonBOT
fathom fulcrum
This command just tells you all the past posts for a specific session.
quaint cipher
Also müssen wir dann zuerst wissen, welchen Nummer die beliebige Stunde entspricht, und dann dieser Kommando schreiben, um mehr zu erfahren
Und ich sage nur dass alles vielleicht in einem einzigen Kanal aufschreiben könnte, anstatt zwei Kommandos zu benötigen
fathom fulcrum
For what reason though? Like I said, I'm trying to understand how it would be better or easier to have a channel.
You can see the numbers easily with >sessions command.
And the nice thing with the bot commands is that it shows you all the sessions in order of which one is coming next.
And it doesn't show sessions that aren't there anymore.
quaint cipher
Weil einen Bot hervorzurufen mir (also persönlich) ein bisschen zu mühsam erscheint, wenn alle Infos ganz direkt auf einen Blick verfügbar sein könnten.
Ich müsste den Kommando nicht ständig eintippen wenn ich was vergaß z. B.
Und apropos Kommando... haben wir eine Liste mit allen Kommandos des Bots? Ich weiß dass wir irgendwo EINIGE haben aber nicht alle. Der über die Stunden, zum Beispiel. Was ist, wenn jemand den Kommando vergisst oder nicht kennt?
wild aurora
clicking on a channel and possibly having to scroll up is arguably not really less effort than typing >sessions in #botchannel
as to if there's a list of the bot commands, you can invoke >help for a list of @midnight wolfs commands and >>help for a list of @dull horizons commands
it's slightly inconvenient for now but sooner or later @dull horizon will take over completely, so there will only be one help command in the future
quaint cipher
I doubt we’d have so many lessons as to scroll up to such an extent that it’s exhausting. Like I said, the informations contained in such a channel were supposed to be short and to the point
But I understand this discussion isn’t going anywhere. I appreciate the talk, though
You may withdraw my suggestion
Cheers
wild aurora
well it's not like the suggestions is rejected or anything, we value every input from the community
I think Base and I just don't see the advantages of a channel over the bot command atm 😅
fathom fulcrum
Yeah, we can't decide on our own whether a suggestion is approved or denied. But if we don't understand a suggestion, we need to know more info before we can discuss it properly.
tight hill
Huh if I read it correctly, Babsi just wants a channel that basically does what >sessions does(?)
I guess two "pros" I could think of would be:
- zero knowledge about the bot required
- changes to the sessions would be shown insantly instead of invoking
>sessionsmultiple times
On the flipside... - it's one more channel >.<
oh and
- not necessarily ordered
obtuse stone
You can view and use allgemein as another general channel @gritty geyser
gritty geyser
I don't want to talk in only German
obtuse stone
and put >suggest before your suggestions, so that it gets into the suggestion list
You don't have to talk German in #general-2
it's just the 'preferred' language
But especially when #general is crowded, you can pretty much use #general-2 as a #'general2'
gritty geyser
Well it doesn't feel right to go speak english where its preferred to speak german
whatever; that was just a suggestion, I don't think the server benefits from having a constant stream of messages in just one general and just 1 conversation pending; imo there's no point in having 'only german' channels if everyone would just speak english there; but it's your server xD
obtuse stone
#german-only is only German and we also take care of that. And it's not exactly 'my server' :p
fathom fulcrum
@gritty geyser #general-2 is actually our #general2
It used to be called that but we renamed it because some people wanted it to be changed to #general-2
peak holly
and for the record i prefer it that way. This is a server for learning german, it's only natural that the environment encourages you to speak german
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peak holly
From what we have heard so far the majority of people seems to like it as is, but feel free to create an improved version.
uhh what the fuck? The improved version was posted with the suggestion... :>
wild aurora
yeah and there was some feedback to it which resulted in this https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/258608634575978496/726545674383917176
quaint cipher
''Namensänderung des Kanals practiceauf correct-my-text, weil im Moment viele, die einen Text korrigiert haben wollen, diesen in writingposten''
''This suggestion has been open for discussion for a month without any discussion activity.''
Lol das hab ich nicht mal gesehen
lime sparrow
for what it’s worth re: logo I like the current speed
I don’t think it needs to change
peak holly
what bothers me most is the colours
wild aurora
I mean yeah, they are a bit off but gifs are rather limited in terms of colours right ?
peak holly
i don't know if you can see it from the screenshot but the red in the german flag especially hurts my eyes whereas the one in all the other flags work perfectly, and the chinese-english one is an animated logo
quaint cipher
Ist dieses Rote aber nicht die offizielle Farbe der Fahne?
peak holly
no, it's an artifact of the compression
colours on screens don't map well to colours in print either, by the way
quaint cipher
Oh k
peak holly
this looks a bit fast compared to what i just saved 🤔 i think photoshop lied to me, hold on
lime sparrow
are you sure that red is actually different from the chinese one? it’s hard to tell but it’s also next to black, which makes the contrast look a lot … more
peak holly
i assure you i never fail to notice it. It's hard to show you through a screenshot because the image gets handled and recompressed by at least two programs before it reaches you and your screen has different settings than mine that might make the colours flatter
does the colour difference show?
split aurora
brave mauve
Left flag is: #cc1300
Right flag is: #b10400
lol but tbh it doesnt really matter
peak holly
on my screen the current animated logo changes colour slightly when i hover over it
and by the way updating it is a matter of seconds, the updated version is already there, so even if it's a small thing, it can be changed effortlessly
lime sparrow
I don’t see a change when I hover over it. there is definitely a difference in the image you posted but I couldn’t tell you which one I’d prefer
peak holly
I think the change i see when i hover is analogous to a common bug where in certain situations some nick colours appear different
It happens mainly with red colours (including purple)
Notably this is on pc. On my phone the current logo looks alright (but that's not a reason to have pc users worse off)
magic jasper
You mean cause the red is more vibrant?
lucid ledge
Can we ban people talking about colours since the great Foxxo riots of 2019
peak holly
ok but first fix logo pls
lofty oracle
The great what
versed flame
we should do a contest on who in this discord cab speak german in a southern tang american accent the best
yes I'm being serious
quaint cipher
lone marsh
Meme channel 
static pulsar
No.
lofty oracle
That's actually a pretty good idea, it baffles me that we don't have one till now
I wonder if there's a reason
ember moon
It would be cool if there was a "rate-my-accent" channel where people could get comments on their accents, which mistakes they make and try to correct them :)
wild aurora
Do you mean #pronunciation @ember moon ?
ember moon
oh wait
how did i miss that
Ich denke dass ich blind bin :)
Well then, how about a fixed text that is pinned on the channel that people can read from? People would still be able to read their own texts, but just to make it easier idk
wild aurora
#study-tasks :p
There are monthly pronunciation exercises, you have to scroll up a bit
quaint cipher
There are monthly pronunciation exercises? When was the last one?
Oh nvm, I just recently subbed to pronunciation
obtuse stone
>suggest
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rugged basalt
suggest epic sugestion: there should be two rules channels, one in English and one in German, so that people can read the rules of the language they're most comfortable with
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rugged basalt
epic
lime sparrow
suggest lift the moratorium on covid-19 discussions. the topic has long stopped being the one and only topic on everyone’s mind, so I don’t think it’s necessary anymore to restrict discussions about it
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ebon mountain
suggest add a channel for selfies, i think it might bring the community closer together? Also, I'd like if we added a sort of a 'nsfw' channel that'd be for German curses/ swear words or general slang-ish talk. I saw it on a server for English speakers and it always has a lot of users. I wanted to ask some questions like that but it never felt right to use #questions or 2 😄
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gloomy matrix
In regards to an nsfw channel, as a discord partner this server is very limited on what nsfw content it can have
selfies also come with the issue of minors
ebon mountain
I don't mean literally "nsfw" content as in nude pictures or anything sexual
I meant more like german swear words/ curses
Slang words and such 😄
As for selfies, like just normal selfies
gloomy matrix
you don't see an issue with underage people posting their face?
ebon mountain
Yeah, nevermind D:
gloomy matrix
suggest add alias '>lessons' to the >sessions command
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sand bramble
Feel free to just tell us for small changes like that one.
unique tiger
@sand bramble please add alias '>lessons' to the >sessions command
sand bramble
Ok learn CS and do it yourself.
lilac urchin
I suggest no
peak holly
incidentally, is the bot open source?
wild aurora
not at this point
static pulsar
do cs
magic jasper
Are you botting the Italian server? @peak holly
peak holly
dazz fine. What did you want to know?
peak holly
not familiar
magic jasper
In saying this for inspiration
peak holly
what makes it one of the best?
magic jasper
Some features I haven't seen on other language server bots
tight hill
Damnit Trax don't leave us hangin like that! What kinda features are you talking about
delicate hawk
The good ones
gritty geyser
A new "german-humour" channel with a large timer for prevention of too much spam or attention-seeking, similarly to #introductions.
The posts in this channel should be high quality memes and jokes which both have to do with german in at least one way.
Preferably, the memes or jokes should be about grammar, pronounciation and all other aspects of learning or being able to speak the german language.
lime sparrow
use the >suggest command so it gets logged (and therefore not ignored); meme channel has been rejected many times before but this is kinda different I guess?
peak holly
I think it would only make sense if the jokes are in german and they're not just memes
lime sparrow
seems to me like it has overlap with #thing-of-the-day, that channel’s not really a thing anymore anyway so maybe its scope could be broadened
peak holly
like joke of the day?
lime sparrow
well thing-and-or-joke-of-the-day
you know? like not just things people wanna share about the german languag ein particular
peak holly
the name of the channel is fine, the problem is informing and encouraging the community to actively post stuff there
lime sparrow
but also things in german that are neat or funny or whatever
peak holly
i'd like that
gritty geyser
suggest A new "german-humour" channel with a large timer for prevention of too much spam or attention-seeking, similarly to #introductions.
The posts in this channel should be high quality memes and jokes which both have to do with german in at least one way.
Preferably, the memes or jokes should be about grammar, pronounciation and all other aspects of learning or being able to speak the german language.
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gritty geyser
Like this?
delicate hawk
"high quality memes". How does one even judge sth. Like that lol
And also why cant media jus fulfill the above described purpose already?
lofty oracle
We can have official meme judges
gloomy matrix
only if all of those judges are callum
peak holly
he'd just promote his own memes
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peak holly
bik sad
lime sparrow
We believe that part of the reason why it doesn't feel so omnipresent on the server anymore is in fact the ban on the topic
when I said omnipresent I didn’t mean on this server but in general, btw. I’m on other servers where the topic isn’t banned and while yes, it does come up, it’s not like every discussion turns to “omg covid” as it did in the early days of lockdown
rugged basalt
rad 😎
lone marsh
rad indeed👀
winter remnant
suggest hallo, thank you all for the good work you are doing, I'm new to the server I don't know if my idea will be useful or not but here it is :
We have a sessions command that shows how much time left for a session to start, it would be easier if the bot provides a downloadable.iscfile as well so that if we were interested we can add it to our calendar and program our day/week accordingly
ICS files are basically used to chare an event when executed they prompt u to add that event to your calendar almost all calendars these days read them I guess
Thanks again for this great community
Happy to be part of it :)
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bitter knoll
how to get out of bot channel
fathom fulcrum
@bitter knoll Just click on any other channel.
peak holly
y... you already got out if you posted here ._.
gritty geyser
suggest warn people before permabanning
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gloomy matrix
@gritty geyser the bot doesn't detect message edits so you'll need to repost that. do you might also extrapolating a bit on what kind of content / discussion would happen in there? E.g. how it would differentiate from say #beginner-german
gritty geyser
suggest A test prep channel perhaps? For TestDaf, DSH, Goethe, etc. Dunno how many people are interested though.
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gritty geyser
Hmm, well test-related stuff. Discussing questions that show up on the sample exams, test prep books. Reminder for registration. Tips for the test, not necessarily about the German language. Depends on how many people in this server are actually planning to take those kind of tests though.
gloomy matrix
Registration reminders for which test centres? There all run on different dates
still grove
i definitely see how that could be beneficial for people planning on taking those tests.
test prep is a completely different game than language learning
gritty geyser
At least for TestDaf, the dates are pretty fixed.
fathom fulcrum
Can you explain what this server could provide that doesn't fit into language learning?
gritty geyser
I can't.
still grove
its basically test prep that would be best for someone taking the test and on the server. I'm pretty sure if your test taking technique is good enough you could overshoot your level and get a good score on the test. But it would be also really cool if there is one place that people could be discussing this topic in, instead of a variety of channels.
gritty geyser
tbf the popular tests are so differently structured and there arent many prep materials besides what is on their website, a few books, andjust knowing the language
It seems hard to have a long lasting real test prep program here
A channel to discuss and find study buddys could be a useful idea if thats what u mean#
weary night
suggest have the bot delete old sessions so the number can be reused. E.g. instead of saving every session thats ever been run (resulting in large session numbers) would the bot be able to delete completed sessions so that all the numbers remain small (1-10ish)
I as a session holder find it almost impossible to remember what numbers i used on previous sessions, therefore i cant reuse them or edit them and must make a new one
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weary night
I just feel like leaving it like this is effectivley like having a memory leak
And will become a bit hard to manage longterm
fathom fulcrum
@weary night You can reuse them and edit them.
Just remember the number and then update it.
weary night
Thats a bit much
fathom fulcrum
But if we reused the numbers, you would have to make a new one anyway.
weary night
I dont really want to search through 21 lesson numbers to find that one advanced reading session i did
fathom fulcrum
I guess I don't really understand what you're asking for still?
weary night
Well how it is rn, i well like people dont know that they can reuse old ones, so they make a new one, leading to a lot of unnecessaryily stored memory
Which i feel will lead to a long term problem
Being a fellow cs person, i feel it would be better practice to clear the old and unneeded sessions after they’re completed
If you want to keep a session, as a template or something, you could consider adding an optional keep field to the create command
fathom fulcrum
Which i feel will lead to a long term problem
Possibly but we can deal with it when we get there. I'd rather just talk for now about the issue from the perspective of using the command effectively.
weary night
Also in regard to finding old sessions
How is that done apart from just calling >session info 1-current
fathom fulcrum
Finding old sessions isn't an intended usage of the bot command currently. It's just something you can do if you really want to reuse your old session info instead of making a new one.
We can theoretically add a command for viewing old sessions, but it wasn't added in the first version because it's not that useful.
weary night
You could do that, but i still feel it would be better to just purge old sessions
Unless you wanted like a big extensive backlog to be saved
fathom fulcrum
I still don't really understand what the actual usage issue you're having is though.
Can you explain it more?
Like how would having small numbers help you use the command?
weary night
- I find it neater in the long term (i.e no >session info 324)
- i find it somewhat superfluous to save every session ever, especially when we cant view it
If you dont want to remove everything, it would be at least nice to be able to see old sessions and use them as a template
fathom fulcrum
Like I said, don't worry about the CS-related aspects. Those are something we'll just discuss when we revise the command in the future.
Just tell me about the stuff you mentioned about it being difficult for session holders to use.
weary night
Since its hard to pinpoint old sessions, we have to make the new ones every week, which for repeated sessions like reading can be a bit cumbersome
As further suggestions here, since i can understand not wanting to remove the log
Maybe if we could session groups and them access their info by group number
E.g. >session makegroup reading momo
And in this group associate all of the lessons in relation here
That way to sessions display have small easily remembered numbers for each session group and all previous sessions can be saved under one umbrella
fathom fulcrum
So what you're just saying is you want repeated sessions, right?
Or is this really about the number?
tight hill
suggest Implement the template system as discussed in #community-discussion (with the amendment for more control over who can create new ones/edit them). Link: https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/676090288275587072/741292897835548736
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tight hill
sorry to interrupt x)
fathom fulcrum
It's fine.
weary night
I dont think im expressing my issue very well sorry
My overarching issue is with scalability
I feel, as it is now, it will become an issue in the future, where if i wanted to find some session in 200 i would have to spend a long time searching for it, in order to edit it at a later date
It would be nice to have old sessions grouped by at least the associated group. If you were to introduce a search old command
I will withdraw the suggestion for clearing completed sessions, as i can understand the benifit of having a backlog
My main gripe, when i suggested the clearing function, was that old sessions were being saved, without a purpose, which to me felt like data without a purpose, hence deletable.
I can see that keeping these (for instance in the case of a teaching series with different descriptions) can be useful
wild aurora
mh would a command that shows you the last x sessions you've run help ?
fathom fulcrum
@weary night If it helps, the reason why they're saved right now is just in case we want to use them in future. Since we wanted to see how the command went with the first version first, then refine it later.
If that makes sense.
I mean, saving them all is the easiest way to do it, but we aren't sure how/if we want to use old session data in future yet, so I didn't code an explicit deletion system for them until we decide if we want to delete them or use them.
weary night
Yeah i can understand that, i just found it strange at first, since old ones were saved but we had to make new ones anyway since finding old sessions to edit the time was very difficult. But it makes sense now
Yea syro, a command that shows you the last x sessions run by you would be very useful ^^
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rugged basalt
suggest add a system with the bot that pushes people to speak german more (something like a points or leveling system that awards users in a meaningless yet fun way) ik that there are some language detection libraries for python (although the liebniz~sama isn't in python, im sure there is one for koltin to if not python is always a backup) anyways, id just like to see more encouragement for people to speak german.
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weary night
Oder ein „Nur Deutsch“ Modus oder wie, es wäre schön wenn ihr zwangsmäßig meine englisch-sprechende Existenz vernichten könntet ^v^
lime sparrow
I don’t think we currently have the capabilities to distinguish german and english with a bot
(without paying money to some external service)
peak holly
there are many open-source language detection AIs, it's basic NLP at this point
lime sparrow
like it’s possible, but it would have to be reliable enough not to interfere with, like… communication
e.g. I consider “sorry” to be a german sentence, but would a bot?
peak holly
that depends mostly on what the bot will do with the information. For example i'd avoid parsing messages that are shorter than at least a few words
lime sparrow
I strongly object to something like a levelling system, that sorta stuff is super spammy
peak holly
and sending one message for each word is a practice that is luckily rare and strongly discouraged
yeah i wouldn't see any incentive from it either
making learners speak their target language is not about giving them something back, it's about making them feel ok with their mistakes and welcomed to try anyway
wild aurora
this suggestion comes up every few months, we tried it for the memes at one point and it's just awful after a week, there are so many exceptions and edge cases that it makes interactions on the server just painful
gloomy matrix
^that for levels. gamification is a gimmick people use for a week or two then completely forget about it
fathom fulcrum
It's worth mentioning as well that most of the time we try to avoid accepting suggests that involve things like "I can't be bothered to force myself to study, so please implement something that forces me to do it". Because it kinda goes against the nature of the server a whole - that is, we intentionally encourage and support independent learning.
That being said, of course people are welcome to start a discussion on the server about things like... strategies and resources that help them force themselves to speak German. Or people can arrange challenges amongst themselves.
Example of resources people can discuss: study apps, goal setting apps, etc.
silk ibex
Hallo, alle miteinander! Ich möchte, dass Sie mir einige gute Romane oder Bücher empfehlen, die für einen A2 / B1 Deutschlerner geeignet sind.
Ich habe von "Sherlock Holmes, A Scandal in Bohemia" gehört, aber ich weiß nicht ob es geeignet für mich (ein Anfänger) geeignet ist.
Es gibt auch "Einfach Deutsch lesen: Falsche Adresse" aber das sieht langweilig aus, und ich suche nach ein spannend Buch / Roman, das mir gefällt.
gloomy matrix
@silk ibex #resources
hier ist für Vorschäge über den Server. i.e. Kanäle, usw
silk ibex
Oh! Es tut mir leid, Ich habe gedacht, dass dieses Server ist für Leute, die Vorschläge für Ressourcen wollen.
versed maple
@crimson pasture had a pretty cool idea. We could have a Film Night... have someone stream a show (ex: Rick und Morty).
crimson pasture
Could be moderated by someone to ensure that whatever is being shown is appropriate
suggest We could have a Film Night... have someone stream a show
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versed maple
oh yeah, derp 🙂
static pulsar
Oh... I like that idea.
lucid ledge
@versed maple this is actually something thats already been spoken about... but not organised haha
The other problem is illegal streaming. We're an official server so publicly advertising to all 20k members that we're watching a show that is definitely not free domain is a generally bad idea
still grove
suggest We could have gam
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still grove
suggest We could have video game streams instead. Games like Gothic are a great fun and are originally German. The voice acting is on point and with lots of dialogue since it is a RPG.
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hidden mist
i actually have all the gothic games, and some daedalic point and clicks! daedalic is a german company
crimson pasture
@lucid ledge I agree that illegal streaming is an issue. Although there could be some degree of moderation or rules involved on what can and can't be streamed to mitigate this.
versed maple
@lucid ledge well, define "illegal streaming". Different countries have different laws. So on and so forth...
lucid ledge
Dont think that arguement will hold up well when discord takes away this servers partnered status and the benefits we enjoy
gritty geyser
I would think the rules of the country in which Discord has its headquarters preside over any others
AKA the most draconian ones, lol
sand bramble
Local laws don't matter since the terms of service explicitly forbid it.
As an example, you agree not to use the Service in order to:
[...]
violate the contractual, personal, intellectual property or other rights of any party including using, uploading, transmitting, distributing, or otherwise making available any information made available through the Service in any manner that infringes any copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret, or other right of any party (including rights of privacy or publicity);
hidden mist
suggest Ban saying no u when complimented. instead, replace it with yes u or
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gritty geyser
suggest a bot to translate messages typed in German?
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gloomy matrix
what do you mean by that? a command to specifically translate a sentence or something that does it automatically to every message types, etc?
gritty geyser
I was thinking automatic, since there's learners here
it would be nice to have msgs in german translated
gloomy matrix
wouldn't that defeat the purpose though? you learn a lot more but looking up the words and figuring out the grammar structure yourself
peak holly
and automatic translation is never 100% reliable (far from it, in fact, even with AI) so you run the risk of confusing learners or teach them incorrect things
and yes translation achieves basically the opposite as learning, so i wouldn't see much of a point in it
noble cedar
I just use translation apps to learn more words and phrases
peak holly
you should probably use a dictionary for that
noble cedar
TBH the dictionary was worse for it
DeepL has been more consistent, and I talk with a native speaker so they help me out if I make any mistakes
wild aurora
I'm like 99% sure you've just been using it wrong then 
a translator is never better than a dictionary in this scenario
slate ridge
https://dict.leo.org/german-english This is what I use
gloomy matrix
and it's best to compare the words with their monolingual dictionary meanings. i.e. translate a word using dict.cc then double check the duden entry to see if it makes sense
gritty geyser
and it's best to compare the words with their monolingual dictionary meanings. i.e. translate a word using dict.cc then double check the duden entry to see if it makes sense
@gloomy matrix ?? i dont understand, can you explain this?
gloomy matrix
@gritty geyser So take the word on. First look up the german>english translation on dict.cc then go to duden.de and search the results you get from dict.cc e.g. auf and read the german definitions there to make sure that that word is the correc word you're looking for. If none of the definitions fit, then do the same thing with another translation dict.cc gives you
gritty geyser
ok, so I basically look up meaning in english, and then cross-check if the english definition fits the original word
rugged mortar
suggest maybe make a grammar channel?
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fathom fulcrum
@rugged mortar Can you explain what kind of stuff that would include?
rugged mortar
just a place for people to share tips on how they remember how to conjugate verbs, and where each word goes in a sentence? things like that
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fathom fulcrum
@rugged mortar
Is this kind of thing what you're looking for?
If you type >faq all in #botchannel you can see a list of all FAQs that currently exist.
And when you have questions that are more specific or not answered by the FAQs, we usually find #questions is the best place to ask.
rugged mortar
oh ok. thank you
fathom fulcrum
But if you feel there's something that's not covered by these, feel free to mention it.
rugged mortar
thanks
versed flame
Add texan german and pennsylvania german as roles in the discord
lime sparrow
- use >suggest to actually have your suggestions be considered
- dialect roles have been discussed repeatedly and no good solution for them has ever been found (you’ll notice there aren’t any roles for speakers of european dialects either, and there are actual speakers of those here)
umbral tiger
suggest Ban Fahrenheit, thank you
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gloomy matrix
suggest advanced grammar session group
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gritty geyser
suggest music bot can also generate song lyrics
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static pulsar
Lmao knots
gritty geyser
suggest better way to understand the server
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wild aurora
@gritty geyser can you elaborate on that ?
gritty geyser
sure, I've been in this server for a month now but I find it difficult to sync with the ongoing chats
wild aurora
Like are you unsure about which channel is used for what ?
gritty geyser
can say, also that where should I focus towards in voice chats
and the most complex to me is that how are roles assigned and how bots take our inputs
wild aurora
Obligatory question, have you read #282831147942281216 ?
fickle turtle
suggest media voice channel where people can watch shows/movies together and just chill. Ofc streaming would have to be enabled
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delicate hawk
This was rejected earlier due to the possibility of people streaming illegal movies/ pirated movies.
fickle turtle
Ahh okay
Thanks for letting me know
You know what would be cool though? If there was a mod who could oversee the stream
O:
unique tiger
im sure @wild aurora would love to volunteer for that role
wild aurora
Sounds more like a job for the server owner, I think you should do it @unique tiger
unique tiger
i am not a mod but i think an admin like @sand bramble would be a good fit
sand bramble
No I still nominate the server owner. Please acid you're so good at not being a criminal I'm sure you could watch out for illegal streams.
fickle turtle
Aren't you two the same person
lucid ledge
Yes
obtuse stone
Yes they aren't?
proven adder
what are you implying bulli
obtuse stone
Asking Hecke if that was what she meant with yes.
Approving of what was asked with a negation
(or effectively just trying to make it more confusing)
lucid ledge
Yes
rotund ivy
Memes channel
gloomy matrix
see the suggestion channel history for what that suggestion has already been rejected many times
gritty geyser
hello. could you please add a celebration day in this server for @fathom fulcrum please for being the most epic mod and teacher ever. thank you.