avatar-help

[compact dust]

sorry but -11 is wild 😭

[bright silo]

Yellows are only important if you’re developing something. You can ignore them

[compact dust]

i dont think those errors are important

[compact dust]

listen to this person they're the smarter one

[rough night]

I think I missed a step

[bright silo]

You only need to care about the errors if you click the "Clear" button and they don't go away

[rough night]

Sooo

[ashen crane]

seems like the avatar dynamics robot avatar works when adding gesture manager, i have no idea whats going on with MY avi

[rough night]

So

Rn

What’s I’ve been doing

[bright silo]

So, you can click Don't Save on this. Open the sdk control panel from the Top toolbar menu; VRChat SDK > Show Control Panel

[rough night]

Uhhh now it looks different

I don’t see a don’t safe

[bright silo]

more than likely it's reverted to the upload state the creator set it to

For now, lets just go through the upload process. You can make edits to it after that all you want

[bright silo]

Can ignore that

[rough night]

It’s not even showing up in unity anymore

[bright silo]

Sign into The VRChat SDK Control Panel if you haven't already.
Under builder, Select the avatar you want to upload
Give it a name and a thumbnail
Then you can Build & Publish

[rough night]

I don’t see that

[bright silo]

Did you open the Control Panel through the VRChat SDK menu at the top of your unity?

[rough night]

Idkkkk

I’m so lost

[bright silo]

This isn't unity 2022

This is unity 6

[bright silo]

Open the Vrchat Creator Companion

You'll want to make all your projects through the Vcc. It'll handle the unity version and packages you'll need

[rough night]

I did that

[ashen crane]

found the problem LOLLLL, the Animation controler was in the wrong playable layer, it was in Base instead of FX

[bright silo]

Well, the project that is open is using Unity 6 instead of Unity 2022. Uploading will never work with Unity 6. Not for a few years I'll bet

[bright silo]

Interesting, I'll have to keep that in mind

[bright silo]

Lookin good. When you click the Open Project in the top right, what opens?

[rough night]

That’s

What happens

[bright silo]

Hit Ignore every time it comes up.

The sdk imports in an order that causes errors but works itself out by the time you get in

[rough night]

Ok

I had to re open it

Now what

[bright silo]

Now you import that Avatar unitypackage you have

[rough night]

How

[round comet]

You can drag in the package or double-click it in your file explorer and it’ll load in :3

[rough night]

I’ve triedddd

From that

Now what

The avi isn’t showing up in unity

Now I’m here

It says I must fix the issues

[compact dust]

scroll down in the top part

itll show you the issues

you can just press auto fix

[rough night]

It just says that

[compact dust]

oh

i think that means the avi is missing this component

[rough night]

Idk how to do that

[compact dust]

click the avatar, then click add component in your inspector window

then search animator

[rough night]

I don’t see the avatar

That’s the point

I think something i did was wrong

[compact dust]

is it not in your scene heirarchy?

[compact dust]

did you double click to open the scene that has the avi in it

[compact dust]

the unity symbol that either has the name on it or says open me

[rough night]

There isn’t one

[compact dust]

do you have an fbx then

[rough night]

Idkkkk

Okkkk

I finally found it

[compact dust]

yep thats it

[rough night]

Now what

[compact dust]

click on the avi name in the heirarchy which should be on the left

[compact dust]

whichever of those 3 you want to upload

under the 'normal version' line

[rough night]

Alll of them?

[compact dust]

yeah but just pick one for now

[rough night]

Full

[compact dust]

probably just the full version

[rough night]

Ya ya

[compact dust]

then in the inspector tab on the right it should have a tab named animator

[compact dust]

yep

the animator controller should be filled tho

so click the circle next to it and find the name of the avi

it should say smth like "outrage full"

[compact dust]

search outrage and make that window wider

[compact dust]

usually in my experience its the one with the most clips

[rough night]

Idk what that means

[compact dust]

you can see how many clips in the little info section

[compact dust]

since yours has 3 you might have to test all 3 in game to see if its the right one tho

[compact dust]

yeah i'd assume its that one

[compact dust]

thats a lot 😭

test that one first

you know how to upload?

[rough night]

I think so

[compact dust]

yep just press the box on the bottom to accept terms

then build/publish on the bottom

[compact dust]

go to your console

[rough night]

There was a auto fix button I pressed it should I try again

[compact dust]

yeah

[rough night]

Trying again

Failed

[compact dust]

go to your console then

[compact dust]

press clear to get rid of the useless errors

the red stop sign lookin one should be the only one

unless there's more bad errors that is

[compact dust]

weird

[compact dust]

ok so the red ones are the issues

yellow are fine

[compact dust]

i think its just the assetbundle one on the top, but idk how to fix that

yt tutorial to the rescue

[rough night]

Okiii

[compact dust]

search for smth like "vrc assetbundle not built error"

[rough night]

Oki

So

Update

I didn’t have the full version clicked

[compact dust]

updato

[rough night]

Now I do

We shall try again

Also looked up the error

No help

I’m so confused

[hearty elm]

How does one have a transparent Plane with a Emission face texture on it?

In better words i have a couple blend shapes for faces that pop in and out but One of them is a 2D Plane that is mainly transparent except for the Actual face part which is an Emission. When i tried to do this, it just makes the transparent part the surrounding Colours and what not.

there's also black in the Main Solid texture for the avatar so im not sure on alpha to work. D:

[brave viper]

does anyone know what "PB" means in this context?

[rough night]

I can’t figure it out

I really think something’s missing

[compact dust]

peanut butter? :)

[rough night]

Idkkk

I give ups

[compact dust]

if you dont plan to do anything nsfw with that avi you can delete the thing it's talking about

[rough night]

Perfect

How

[compact dust]

cus it seems like its a different problem

just delete the folder named "wholesome"

thats where it should be stored

[rough night]

Ok

[compact dust]

now the problem is bc vrcf is trying to mention smth that isnt there

if you can find the script that is trying to mention it and delete it then that would fix that

[willow carbon]

physbones

probably a version of the hair with and without physbones

[cloud ore]

Hello everyone!
Sorry for a dumb question but an hour of searching didn't help. Is there any way to get rid of part of skinned mesh geometry (not entire) of FBX without reimporting it into blender? I tried direct import and through CATS and unfortunately it imports with errors and completely breaks rig. Or is there some tricky way of opening FBX in any 3d editor that doesn't break it?

The FBX itself is OK (at least for Unity) it's definitely the importing process that breaks it.

[ornate stump]

You should just use File -> Import -> FBX to import fbx file.

[cloud ore]

Did exactly that and got a couple of python errors and missed some bones as well as all blendshapes for all meshes. Tried Blenders 3.3, 4.0, 4.0+CATS, 4.4.

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot the error?

[cloud ore]

It was like: ErrorKey: Armature. And objects hierarchy was completely messed up. Like mesh objects under armatures and vice-versa

[ornate stump]

Better get the exact error detail.

[cloud ore]

Will come back to my PC in couple of hours and will share. Thanks.

[hearty elm]

nvm im dumb, standard lite doesnt have a transparency option >:I

[fair bane]

i know this is for avatars but uuhhhh yea. are are there any videos to help make worlds not laggy for quest i cant find any real tutorials only the things to do

[night ember]

Culling
Optimize your materials and meshes
Dont use realtime lighting at all

Also

#world-quest

[fair bane]

Okay, ill look into it thanks

[fair bane]

ok im just blind than lol

[timber wharf]

also #world-optimization

[compact dust]

what would you do for the bones on smth like this
(ive literally never made bones before)

[lime rover]

Hello, I need help, I don't know why when I transfer my blender model to Unity and add the humanoid rig, the fingers move away from the rig of the original blender rig and it makes a smaller armature. Does anyone know what I could do? Don't know if it's a blender issue or unity issue. I don't know if someone who makes models can help me pls!

[cloud ore]

Nevermind. I've just found "Better Fbx Importer & Exporter" addon that did the trick from the first attempt on default settings. Kind of black magic. Highly recommend.

[lapis jungle]

I was wondering if anyone could help me re-create this kinda hair for an avatar im working on, im not asking for the modeling end but the texturing. im going to bed shortly so arranging a time tomorrow would be ideal but I can make any date work really

[compact dust]

i hate bones/weight painting
what happened 😭

[gritty tartan]

its literally the only mesh in scene

😭

what do you mean its 2 morbillion tris

[ornate stump]

The number means it can't read the mesh data.

[compact dust]

its bc theres a broken script or part of the mesh is messed up

[gritty tartan]

that would make a lot of sense

[junior void]

no...

[compact dust]

thats what mine was

the only time that mine did that

[gritty tartan]

so 2 billion tris means i fucked up somewhere?

[junior void]

2 million and some is the maximum integer. it assumes this wrong because in the import settings, they did not tick "read/write"

hence it cannot "read" the actual value

and assumes max

[gritty tartan]

thank you

🙌

preem guys thx this is my first avi im like properly building myself so

[digital cairn]

I'm looking for a vest resembling the one on the right. I've looked through Jinxxy and Deviantart, but I can't find a vest like this. Any help is appreciated. Doesn't need to be rigged, but it might work better(?)

[desert sky]

I built a new computer and CANNOT find this custom hierarchy for the life of me. If anyone recognizes it PLEASE let me know I need this back Dxx

[timid kite]

i dont know if i can post the pic here (even censored) so ill just explain. the boobs with default phys bones go INSIDE instead of being outside and bouncing. ive already replaced the body file to ensure i got the clean thing but the problem remains. help. boobs dont go inside with custom phys bones but u can notice some weird stuff with the skin a little bit

[sharp oasis]

Are physbone parameters like _grab and _stretch synced across the network? Or if I'm relying on motion time with the _stretch float, I should set up an IsLocal false side of my animation with some Net parameters???

[fathom lintel]

is it possible to set up VRC parent constraints without having them snap to the bones they're directed at?

[heavy zephyr]

They are not synced by default. I would reccomend doing any checks involving physbones or contacts locally using IsLocal = True and then driving a synced parameter for the remote users to follow on their own branch using IsLocal = False

[heavy zephyr]

Like with normal unity constraints, you can animate the weight of a VRC constraint source to have your object go from one source to another smoothly. Alternatively you can set it so one source is the objects itself with weight 1 and the other is your destination with a very small weight (like 0.005) and that will dampen the movement at all times

[heavy zephyr]

Hard to answer without knowing what your physbone settings are

[fathom lintel]

the problem i'm having is i want a bone to move like it's parented to two different bones, without it actually moving because of the change in target object weights

when i try to swap the object it's targeting, it moves away from it's rest position

[heavy zephyr]

Define "move like it's parented to two different bones". Because rn I read "I want to constraint an object but also not" so I'm a bit confused

[fathom lintel]

i have two sets of bones that move independently, and the bone with the constraint is just there to carry the weight paint.
said constraint bone's position is snapping to the target bones, but i want it to keep its relative offset

[sharp oasis]

thanks. I've done it with contacts but wasn't sure whether it was necessary with bones. Thanks

[fathom lintel]

about the only thing i can think of would be adding yet more bones, parented to the moving bones, and positioned at the constrained bone's rest, just to correct what should realistically be a simple toggle option

[heavy zephyr]

Oh I see, then you don't want a parent constraint, just a rotation constraint no?

[fathom lintel]

not exactly. the two sets of movement bones have different origins, so a simple rotation constraint wouldn't work i'm afraid

literally just,
"maintain relative offset"
that's all i need

[heavy zephyr]

Right, let me go fetch smt then

[fathom lintel]

oh?

[heavy zephyr]

https://github.com/VRLabs/Offset-Constraint This should be exactly what you want if I understand correctly

[fathom lintel]

thanks, i'll have a look and see if i can use it

welp, afraid not, but i appreciate the help

brute-force armature solution it is 💪

[heavy zephyr]

Ah, sorry that didn't help

[fathom lintel]

you're all good hun, i appreciate you trying

[sly dust]

apologies for the dumb question

but is there a way to do corrective shapkeys in vrchat?

or is there a way when the arm is rotated down activates this shapkey?

from this to this?

or could i use senders and recievers?

[somber sequoia]

that's the usual way, yeah

[sly dust]

so senders and recievers are the best way to go about this?

got it thank you

[somber sequoia]

I'm not going to say 'best' 🙂

[sly dust]

what would you do if i may ask?

or just avoid that type of clothing?

[desert elk]

i just make blendshapes to completely make slipping parts smaller when wearing a specific outfit

[simple inlet]

Does anyone have an animation clip that can be used to test for clipping in Unity? Just a mocap of someone moving all the joints that are the usual culprits for weight issues?

[desert elk]

can't you use pose mode in blender?

but if unity, for me the gogo loco stuff is enough
and gesture manager that can simulate stuff like running for example

[simple inlet]

yeah but when the whole rig is moving it can help to catch things I miss in pose mode

I'm mostly looking for specific things like clipping in the armpits when swinging the arms back and forth, clipping in the butt when bending over etc. I guess I could try gogo but ideally I want something that I can just hit play on. pretty sure I've seen an anim floating around on twitter or something but idk

[somber sequoia]

If it's for sale, I'd probably reshape the clothing and do enough weight paint so it doesn't clip. If for myself, I'd do some UV tile discarding on the body below there.

[sly dust]

thank you guys for the help/suggestions

[somber sequoia]

that's a difficult area, don't be discouraged if it takes a while to get it right 🙂

[civic bone]

how do i make my avatar go to ground level because it says the feet are in the floor

[desert elk]

raise it up

[civic bone]

how

i dont use unity

[desert elk]

in blender
and set the origin to be on the in world centre

[civic bone]

im not using blender

[desert elk]

no unity? no blender? no fix

easy

[somber sequoia]

you'll need to use Unity, so....

[civic bone]

im on unity

i ment i dont use it as in i dont have experience

-_-

[civic bone]

i hate when people dont understand wtf i mean

[desert elk]

well it wasn't very clear

not my fault

[somber sequoia]

sorry, yeah, it wasn't clear what you meant, so I assumed

[desert elk]

same here

[civic bone]

not my fault either that im not good at communicating cuz autism is great

[desert elk]

well, people can't reach each others minds
when i saw "i dont use unity" i assumed "i don't use unity at all and will not use it"

same with the blender

anyhow

[desert elk]

this should fix it

[civic bone]

im using unity

[desert elk]

idk if just moving it up in unity would fix that error

you could try

[civic bone]

how do i do that?

also sorry i wasnt trying to be rude

[balmy barn]

if your origin is like this on your avatar its going to throw that error 'feet are in the floor'

should be more there

[desert elk]

that's why i said blender

probably the origin needs to be fixed

[civic bone]

welp time to download blender

[sharp oasis]

I want to build an inventory systm with an integer to count how many items there are in a backpack. But I also want those to display inside the backpack.
I assume I can't just create an array and have one object duplicate itself, but, what are some decent ways i oculd go about having the number of items appear in slightly random positions around the backpack?
And also is there a way to increase and decrease the number of objects that exist without having LOADS and they just being hidden?

maybe... a static and permanent particle generator??

I'd likely cap it at 10 anyway, if that gives any ideas.

[somber sequoia]

A friend mentioned she was thinking about doing something like this the other day, we did some brainstorming and figured a grabbable thing on a physbone (to reset its position when dropped) with a particle emitter and a basic billboard renderer was good enough for what she wanted, but you could do a mesh particle too

you don't get arrays on avatars of course

so it'd be... a challenge to do a real inventory system

[sharp oasis]

the physbone was to make it grabbable? Was there a reason you didn't use a constraint to the hand?
By mentioning a phisbone and then particles, I guess only one item was grabbable, and the rest were "dummy" items?
And also, what's the main difference between a billboard render and a mesh render? is it that one is 3D or something else?

[somber sequoia]

no this was just all theory - a constraint would probably work, but the idea was to use the stretch value to figure out if it's in or out of the bag

a billboard particle is just a 2D sprite that faces the camera (or other direction), a mesh particle is an actual mesh object spawned by the particle

[sharp oasis]

As a possible aid to your theory, I've seen that adding a sender to the item itself and a reciever in the bag is a nice way of checking whether it's inside or not, in addition to the usual constraints and stuff for moving

[sharp oasis]

considering I want cans and packets, the mesh would likely be best for me.

[somber sequoia]

yeah the idea here was to spawn the items when grabbed and throw them, not have an actual inventory

[sharp oasis]

I guess I could do it similarly. Have one "real" item, and then whenver there should be more than one, the rest are fake particles that appear and dissapear as I add or remove

worst case scenario I may jsut add 10 and be done with it, and toggle them on and off...
Quesion reguarding performance: Would it be better to have 10 separate identical game objects with the same material and toggle their visibility? or, 10 joined into one object in blender and a shrink/hide blendshape for each?

[somber sequoia]

one object means you can do one material slot and thus one draw call, but you have to deal with hiding others.

UV tile discard could be useful here too

[sharp oasis]

I will definitely be looking into throwable particles because I want to make a throwable survival sandwich

[sharp oasis]

considering I only want a stack of cans and a stack of bandages, I'll probably just do two stacks of 10 into one object with hide blendshapes and keep the UVs overlapping to keep the texture small. In fact could probably fit them all into the same texture

[somber sequoia]

yup

[glass geyser]

I'm not developing an avatar but how do I disable the 200mb download limit cause as a result even the some people that are within my avatar limits won't show cause of it

[timber wharf]

you dont

[somber sequoia]

you don't

[timber wharf]

200/500 is a hard limit, same as 10/40 on quest.

those people shouldnt be able to use those either

[timid terrace]

Instead check you textures resolution and lower it with this tool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zvNokic-fQ

[alpine flax]

could someone tell me why my tongue mesh is deforming when imported to unity?

[junior void]

Either it is posed in blender and the "real" rest pose is seen in unity or you weight painted the tongue in a way where weight stripping in unity becomes problematic

in blender you can test weight stripping by going to weight paint mode, weights-> limit total and set the limit to 4. Unity does this automatically

[alpine flax]

thank you!

....ah, that didn't change the position to match unity's. It still looks normal in blender

[green tinsel]

Hi there I was wondering if someone could show me how to make color changing material for hyper form for my Sonic Avi

[somber sequoia]

which shader do you use?

[green tinsel]

VRChat/Mobile/Stander light

[somber sequoia]

limited options there, but iirc you can change the albedo color at least

[green tinsel]

Should I make shader From scratch or something else i can do

All I wanted is the color changing/light

[somber sequoia]

you can't use a custom shader on quest, if that's the goal. But you can animate parameters on that shader

[green tinsel]

I'm on Pcvr

[desert elk]

so you can use pc shaders

[glass geyser]

Ok then

[glass geyser]

Oh i see

[somber sequoia]

yeah you can do lots of really cool stuff with a PC shader

[deep pilot]

So on a beelzebub avatar mainly the honey hair/stomach it’s see through right? Can someone help me try to do that for any object pls?

[compact dust]

making any object transparent?

[deep pilot]

Yee

Not likes glass transparent tho but to where you can see the inside of the object from the outside

[balmy barn]

opaque while tail is transparent (or use a shader) different rendering queue

seen some shaders that uses the blob lava lamp similar thing

[deep pilot]

Opaque makes it transparent but I want it to be like a one way thing, it’s confusing

Okay, How do you get an outline on an object?

[somber sequoia]

outline shader

[compact dust]

@somber sequoia would you happen to know the problem

also how do you auto weight paint smth

[pastel nest]

i am adding capsule colliders to my avi's legs cause i have a cloth component but now when i walk or jump i think its interacting with those coliders and my avi is spinning out of control

is there a way to make my avi ignore these coliders and have them only work for the cloth?

[compact dust]

is it colliders for a physbone?

[pastel nest]

no

[compact dust]

then nvm.

[pastel nest]

its the normal coliders cause the cloth components only work with normal colliders

[balmy barn]

disable the thingie on colliders so they dont collide and send you flying ( i forgot what its called gimme a min )

[pastel nest]

yes please thanks 🙂

[balmy barn]

set is trigger

or it will collide with your av and you fly

[pastel nest]

so is trigger

thank you so much will test this now

cause my avi keeps escaping gravity

[balmy barn]

cloth is terrible btw , all local so no one will see what you see

[pastel nest]

my wife saw my cloth move

[balmy barn]

turn around (culled) turn back its now flopping around

[pastel nest]

i dont need it to be perfect

its a gimmic

[balmy barn]

99% of the time i see cloth its stuck to some collider

[pastel nest]

yeah i get that too but for this usecase that is fine

i pull clothing off my body and then its in my hand and its cloth

and i drop it to the floor

so doesn't have to be perfect but i need to be able to interact with it with some colliders while its flopping around in the hand

[junior void]

are you making a stripper avi xD

[pastel nest]

yes

🙂

but no naked

still has underwear on

never going naked on avi

doesn't even have the nude parts

thank you so much for the help let me go test it

[somber sequoia]

please don't ping me for new questions I'm not already helping with, I have no idea what this is in reference to and am working on my own stuff.

[desert elk]

my first question would be is there is a reason for so many bones in there?

[somber sequoia]

without context that seems reasonable, if you want that many bones?

[desert elk]

i guess

i was just asking

[manic jungle]

I'm hitting a weird issue with a model I'm working on, and I've hit my wits end trying to figure it out solo. Here's the issue:

I've set up a material swap triggered by a contact receiver acting like a button, the system works perfectly fine locally, but for remote users the material doesn't change and just appears to be set to transparent instead of cutout as it should be. All other animated parts of it work correctly, so it doesn't seem like the shader is at fault. I'm using Poiyomi 9.1 on the materials. Any help is massively appreciated!
(Please ping me or hit reply if you do chime in!)

[shrewd onyx]

Can someone help me with marshmellow pb? Seems like I can't get the collider big enough to match the size of the body part I'm applying it to

[somber sequoia]

are you using a synced parameter?

[shrewd onyx]

I've followed the documentation, but it seems to reset the size of the collider by itself, even when I change it in the build package

[manic jungle]

I forgot to check the box- tysm I was running myself in circles and totally blanked on checking that! Hopefully this does it!

[somber sequoia]

sometimes it's the simple things!

[narrow holly]

I've been having this issue for a while. But I still get the default claw hands. All facial animations seem to work just fine. I've removed all masks, the gestures are on their own gesture layer, my sdk is up to date, and the bones are configured properly. No clue what I should do.

[compact dust]

i know nothing of making bones so i assume its supposed to go throughout the whole thing

[desert elk]

it depends what it's supossed to be. How big, how much interaction to you want with this objects and how specifit do you want those interactions to be

[compact dust]

earring 🥺

[desert elk]

i'd just give it 2/3 bones and call it a day

[compact dust]

kewl, but idk where

id assume less bones would make the auto weight painting work better too

[desert elk]

idk how auto weight painting works so i can't help with that

[somber sequoia]

put bone joints where you want the mesh to bend

Consider your own bones 🙂

[compact dust]

liquid bones

[raven ore]

I got this avatar, her clothes are like shiny, they are suppose to be, but I dont want them to be, so I am trying to edit the shader to be shiny, I've turned off the reflections/specular and the glitter/sparkle, why is it still so shiny?

[somber sequoia]

likely roughness/smoothness

[raven ore]

What setting is that under?

[compact dust]

if its poi you can use the search bar

[somber sequoia]

yeah without knowing which shader you're using, there's no way I could guess

[raven ore]

sorry yeah its poi

[somber sequoia]

Shading -> Reflections & Specular. The Poi docs are pretty good, I always suggest using them too 🙂

[compact dust]

gogl

:D

[raven ore]

I mean I've done a lot editing on other avatars before and like I said, I've turned off reflections and specular and it still super shiny looking

[somber sequoia]

Yes but I'm suggesting to lower the smoothness value

shading type could come into play here also, and possibly other things too (clearcoat, stylized reflections, etc.)

[desert elk]

#creator-companion

[ember escarp]

anybody know if theres a way to prevent my hairroot bone from moving when needing to use the multi child type option in my phys bone script?

[somber sequoia]

Ignore Transforms slot in the physbone component

[ember escarp]

i have tried this option but it seems if it worked properly then it should also mute all the root's children too because the options description says "ignored transforms automatically include any of that transforms children"

[turbid vault]

can someone please tell me why this is happening or even tell me how to fix it (im very new to avatar making and i dont wanna use blender but if i have to then i will)

[upbeat basin]

how do I transfer one hairstyle from one avi to another?

[desert elk]

separate the hair in blender (aka delete every mesh and bone that's not hair stuff, you can keep the head bone for easier attachment) and export as fbx

import the fbx to your avatar in blender and use the cats plug in to merge armatures (or do it manually)

[upbeat basin]

oh I can't just throw it there in unity?

rip lol

[merry kernel]

I'm currently struggling with making a avi, I have zero clue what I'm doing and have gotten miscellaneous help from some friends and now I'm at a point where the viewpoint is scuffed and the jaw is wide agape

[desert elk]

you can if it's a separate file I think. But I'm not sure cause I've never attached stuff in unity like that

[desert elk]

1. Is your avatar at 0.0.0 position?
2. What are the coordinates of the view point? Does it look good in unity?
3. Are you using the jaw bone for anything? If not, unmap it from the rig configure menu in unity and that should fix it

[merry kernel]

1: avi is at 0.0.0
2: its lined up with the eyes pretty good
3: i really only plan for the jaw to move when i speak, ive never made avis before and get confiused easily

[desert elk]

usually speaking is done with visemes. Do you have it set up with them or with the bone?

[desert elk]

another thing that could be causing the view point being messed up is the scale. It's recommended to have it at 1.1.1

you can scale your avatar down in blender and apply transforms before exporting

and have it at 1.1.1 in unity

[merry kernel]

1.1.1 tends to make it GIANT

[errant comet]

Change it's import scale instead of it's transform.

[merry kernel]

would if i knew how to do so :\

[desert elk]

that's why I said scale it down in blender, apply transforms and bring it back to unity

[errant comet]

Select model, change scale

you'll need to increase the transform scale to match

[merry kernel]

thing is i didnt make this in blender, a friend did and published it with correct everything but handed me all ythe resources so i can learn how to do it myself which is going horribly and have had to been guided by other friends about 6 times now

[errant comet]

Note that this isn't going to fix the view position

[desert elk]

you still have the fbx file in the assets and can import it to blender

at least you should have it

[merry kernel]

i do

[merry kernel]

its at 1 already

i have the scale perfect currently

[errant comet]

You want to set a lower number, so for you maybe change the import scale to 0.15 to match how it's scaled for transform

[merry kernel]

juist the veiw is not great

[errant comet]

then change the transform scale to 1

[desert elk]

okay, and I'm telling you that it should be caused by the scale

it's recommended to be 1.1.1 otherwise the viewpoint may freak out

it happens sometimes

[errant comet]

What can also be the problem is that the model is not actually in a tpose, which it should be if it's set to humanoid unless you are previewing an animation (I'm pretty sure)

Is it actually set as a humanoid rig and the bones mapped correctly?

[merry kernel]

its mapped and set to humanoid

and the scale is alredy 1 in blender

[desert elk]

that's not the same

you could try enforcing tpose

in unity

in the configure menu, should be somewhere at the bottom

[errant comet]

can you show what the import settings are for the model in unity? If it's not 1 to 1 then the scale in Blender is using different Units or it's just 1x1x1 because it's not being transformed

[merry kernel]

originally just said 1, i added the .1 just now

[errant comet]

Well you don't want it's import scale to be more than 1, but it was exported with the same units at least. So it is probably big in Blender too but you don't have anything to compare to. Select the model in blender and look at the Dimensions.

[dark saddle]

Did vrchat change the mobile physbone limit?

I thought it was 8

and its still letting me upload even though I have 13

[desert elk]

yeah, like I said, you will need to take it to blender

[desert elk]

I'd suggest just making it smaller here. after that CTRL A and apply all transforms. So you can avoid having a weird scale in unity.

delete the light and camera before exporting because they cause issues sometimes

[errant comet]

That's a different view and isn't the same info I am looking at for seeing scale. the little arrow here on the separator line, click that and then select item and select the model in the 3d view

[proper depot]

Hello! Would anyone have any idea why my materials only turn pink when locking? They are not pink unless they are locked in? Im using Poiyomi Shaders

[balmy barn]

id delete this folder , set material back to whatever they are using (poi 9) , locking should behave

[jovial yarrow]

Hello, I'm on vrchat pc, I plan to switch to quest, but I would really like to be able to create my avatar however I didn't succeed on my side, could someone help me please? (I am French)

[desert elk]

ctrl a
apply all transforms

[merry kernel]

i dont know what you mean, i pressed crtl a and nothinh happened

[desert elk]

what problems are you having?

a window should pop up

[merry kernel]

just popped up

[desert elk]

maybe that blender version has a different short cut for it

[errant comet]

ctrl+a should show this

[jovial yarrow]

I don't understand anything about the unity interface and I haven't been able to modify anything, I'm a beginner, so I don't understand how it works

[merry kernel]

got it, pressed all transformations

[desert elk]

what would you like to modify?

unity is very broad

and it's hard to just explain everything

[turbid vault]

do anyone know why this is happening

[desert elk]

my first guess would be unconnected meshes or some weight painting issue? it's so weird to look at

[proper depot]

🥹

That doesnt work unfortunately

[jovial yarrow]

I want to create a personalized avatar from A to Z (it can be taken back and modified no matter)

[desert elk]

if you want to make an avatar from scratch or from a base you will need to use blender first

[jovial yarrow]

Okay but how will it work with the SDK?

[desert elk]

you export an avatar from blender as an fbx and import it into a unity project made with the creator companion

that's how all avatars work

[jovial yarrow]

Okay, thx

[merry kernel]

wouldnt reputing the model in make me have to add all the stuff over again or am i being paranoid?

[desert elk]

it depends

did you unpack it?

If not, you can just open the unity assets in an explorer window and override the fbx and hopefully everything will be preserved properly.

If yes, you're cooked. You need to re-do everything

[merry kernel]

i dont know, i havent understood about 70% of what im being told, i dont understand most of this cause ive never done avis before

ive made 2 cardboard cutout avis and both of those took a day

i dont even understand computers :[

[desert elk]

top is packed, bottom is unpacked

in the hierarchy

in unity

[desert elk]

dude

you should never unpack your avatar

idk if you did it or your friend

but you should never do it

[merry kernel]

i was told to by a different friend

[desert elk]

why? what was the reasoning?

[merry kernel]

idk, all my hope and motivation for this avi is gone. i dont even remember

[desert elk]

yeah, don't unpack avis

[merry kernel]

i think im just going to go back to paying for avis

avi making has hurt my mental health in just a few days

[desert elk]

it's a hard thing to do

[merry kernel]

thanks for trying to help

still a teeny peeved my friend couldnt just hand over the project instead of throwing me in the open with just these assets

[compact dust]

i figured out why the auto weight painting wasnt working

why is weight painting so blegh

[somber sequoia]

yeah none of the auto stuff except this works well, and even then you always have to touch it up a bit:
https://github.com/sentfromspacevr/robust-weight-transfer

[ember escarp]

anybody knwo how to prevent the hairroot bone from moving when using a phys bone script that needs the Multi Child Type option enabled?
a workaround ive considered is a phys bone script for the start of each hair strand but that seems inefficient and im assuming might cause performance issues.

[merry kernel]

So I put the veiwmodel at the back of the head and it WORKED @desert elk

[arctic ginkgo]

what do you need it set to?

[ember escarp]

First or Average seem to both work, just cant be Ignore.

[arctic ginkgo]

you have children of physbone affected transforms that need to be affected as well?

[ember escarp]

yes, lots of hair strands that split into multiple strands.

onyl the hairroot bone needs to be muted or else the scalp shifts forward awkwardly

[arctic ginkgo]

you could try using curves to affect the forces on the root bone

i would set immobile to 1, then use curves to set it to whatever you need for the rest of the hair

then also use angle limit and do same thing, have it set to whatever you need and then use curves to set it to 0 for the root bone

this way it can't be moved by motion and can't be grabbed

basically physbone settings that don't let it move

[ember escarp]

hmm im not familiar with curves yet, ill play with that setting to see if i can get something to work how i want to, thanks for the idea.

[gloomy flint]

reposting from dynamics- did you try opening up the prefab, creating an empty parent for the hair but making it a child of HairRoot, and putting the physbone on that?

[arctic ginkgo]

the X axis of the graph goes along the whole chain, and the way it affects the physbones is by taking the value from the left side of if you divide it by the length of the chain

[gloomy flint]

HairRoot is its own bone in your avatar's armature, so putting the physbone on that will ofc make that bone move as well, so what you'd want is to make an empty child for Hairroot on your hierarchy and put all the hair pieces in that

[arctic ginkgo]

and this is based on the longest chain for multi-child physbone components

[gloomy flint]

ive done it before for ears and such to bring physbone count down

idk why yall are overcomplicating a hair physbone 😭

[arctic ginkgo]

optimization

it really isn't that complicated tbh

[gloomy flint]

but they arent trying to optimize it theyre trying to fix their hair from wiggling on their scalp

and it solves the same purpose though

[arctic ginkgo]

so for example if you have 2 bones, then the Y value at X = 0 is for the first bone and the Y value at X=0.5 is for the second bone

[gloomy flint]

it changes nothing just having a child for the hair pieces to go into under HairRoot and moving the physbone component from HairRoot to HairRootChild

[ember escarp]

ill seperate the optimization from getting it to work how i want in the first place, ill give both your ideas a try.

and sorry for the same question in both channels, initially didnt realise there was a dynamics specific channel.

[arctic ginkgo]

but the bones have to be children of the root transform for the component for it to move..

[gloomy flint]

it will though?

[arctic ginkgo]

so if you have multi-child type set to first or average (which is a requirement for the hair to move correctly) it will move the root transform

right

[gloomy flint]

let me draw this real fast

[arctic ginkgo]

so even if it doesn't wiggle whatever is weight painted to the hair root bone (assuming that is the case and it's not just weight painted to the head), it will still move

so the beginnings of each strand will move in position instead of just rotating along their own origins

so same problem but it just looks slightly different

[gloomy flint]

unless its rigged poorly which can happen as well

[ember escarp]

i dont think its rigged poorly 😦

[gloomy flint]

things happen

ive seen people rig up avatars and then find out after selling it for like 2 days on jinxxy that one bone is fully inverted or smth lmao

[arctic ginkgo]

yeah this isn't going to work

[ember escarp]

also i did play a little with the curve and it FEELS like its going in the direction id like, hard to tell if its exactly how i want cause i cant noticeably see any small shifts when im throwing the avatar left and right to see the physics lmao. im gonna keep playing with the curve

[gloomy flint]

worked for me before

[arctic ginkgo]

this is why

the left is before rotation, the right is after

top is how the physbone was before, bottom is your solution

[ember escarp]

with the hair root child you told me to try creating, wouldnt that still throw the origin points of the hair strands around

[arctic ginkgo]

yes exactly

that's what i was trying to explain

it won't move whatever is weight painted to the hair root bone, but it will still move the hair strands

which you don't want

those are supposed to stay in the same position relative to the head

[arctic ginkgo]

those purple spots are supposed to be stationary, your solution would keep the blue fluff (the hair root) stationary, but not the origin points of the hair strands (purple spots)

@gloomy flint

and maybe that looks fine to you, but that's not the solution that realhamood seems to be looking for

[gloomy flint]

i'm just offering the solution that's always worked for me since through all the work i've done with it, never seen an issue on my end

[ember escarp]

i do have weights assigned to the hair root and i think if those purple points youve highlight were shifting ever so slightly it could still mimic the physics of hair cause hair is still a little random

i appreciate the multiple solutions too

[arctic ginkgo]

yeah if you want that then go ahead, just was explaining that it wasn't what you originally asked for

[arctic ginkgo]

was this with either the "first" or "average" multi-child type?

[gloomy flint]

,,,

[arctic ginkgo]

and have you looked at it with physbone overlay in game?

[gloomy flint]

🥹

I used Ignore

And they worked fine

🥹

[ember escarp]

cant be ignore for me here

[arctic ginkgo]

yeah that's why i said we weren't overcomplicating it, the ignore multi-child type can't be used, so we need another solution

[gloomy flint]

let me scroll up a bit and see what happened when you used ignore-

[ember escarp]

playing with the curve did show immediate effect too, im just gonna try to make sure i actually know what im doing with the curve lol

[arctic ginkgo]

the reason ignore can't be used is because the hair strands have their own children (who's parents shouldn't be ignored) and the setting applies to all transforms affected by the physbone component

[ember escarp]

i have some long strands of hair that split into multiple strands, so having it set to ignore makes it so the long strands will stay still in space

[gloomy flint]

may i ask what happens if you tried my method with ignore?

[arctic ginkgo]

the other solution to this is to add extra bones so there's an unweighted parent bone for each multi-child bone that is a child of that bone but that's completely unneccessary and adds multiple extra transforms rather than just the one

[gloomy flint]

mainly because it sounds like the issue comes from the Hairroot itself

[arctic ginkgo]

@gloomy flint

[gloomy flint]

i said using my solution-

[arctic ginkgo]

this is the same either way

because the setting applies to the WHOLE physbone chain

[gloomy flint]

why tf it never do this to me

😭

[ember escarp]

it would still make the strands that have multiple children be unafffected by the phys script

[arctic ginkgo]

you probably just didn't notice that your physbones with multiple children were being ignored

because if you're not paying attention it could look fine, especially if you have lots of bones

but it makes it stiffer

[gloomy flint]

i'm just lucky ig when it comes to physbones-

[arctic ginkgo]

since one bone isn't being rotated

[arctic ginkgo]

no you just didn't notice the issue

[gloomy flint]

unless it shows 0 issue, which usually it doesn't show any issue...

[arctic ginkgo]

you just didn't notice it though

i'm explaining the issue

you can see it most obviously if you enable physbone overlay in vrchat

[gloomy flint]

i'm not blind or anything, and i test before and afters, its more than likely that the physbones its ignoring jsut weren't actually important to the physbone chain itself

[arctic ginkgo]

well i did say that was an option, but you'd had to have done that intentionally

adding an extra bone for each multi-child bone

as like a proxy bone to be ignored

but again that is a really unoptimized way of doing it

curves are the best solution

because here are your solutions that keep everything running the same:

• use multiple physbone components
• use extra bones
• use curves to affect movement of first bone

the first two reduce performance, the last one does not

[gloomy flint]

ive tried myself messing with curves but its so annoying setting up a curve and then opening up play to see how they work while learning it

[compact dust]

chat what would you do to attach earrings

:D

[arctic ginkgo]

i'm gonna be honest it sound like you don't understand physbones too well and just haven't noticed the issues caused by your physbone setups because they were very minor issues

it's fine bc you're learning

but if you don't know what you are talking about it's better not to try and teach someone else

[gloomy flint]

i stick the earrings under the bones they need to be (Head for human, Ear bones for furry/elfs/etc) usually and they work

[arctic ginkgo]

depends how you want to do it, are you trying to add them in blender or unity?

[gloomy flint]

if you dont' want them attached to the armature I'm p sure you can use VRC Parent Constraints to do it too

[compact dust]

unity

[ember escarp]

i think how youre explaining it would work like this, michael? excuse the hastily drawn image but im also wondering if my understanding of phys bonee/hierarchy is correct.

[compact dust]

cus blender is not my friend 😔

i was thinking parent constraint but it didnt work how i wanted

[arctic ginkgo]

okay then yeah what micheal said will work, it's probably best to add it directly under the bone so it scales correctly

[gloomy flint]

what did you set the parent constraint to? if you're fine with losing the model to the Armature in the hierarchy though just do my first option lmao

goodbye earrings, ill see you the next time i open the head bone in the hierarchy,,,

😔

[compact dust]

to the ear bone nearest to where i wanted the earrings

im not putting them on human ears so its a bit more awkward

[arctic ginkgo]

this works fine, just adds an unnecessary transform for every multi-child transform which isn't good for performance and especially on quest can restrict how many physbones you can have on your avatar

[arctic ginkgo]

it's probably better not to use constraints unless you have a reason to; it won't move the exact same way as a child would. I would just parent the earring gameobject to the ear bone

[gloomy flint]

ive had my method put on ears before, where I put both ear bones into an empty parent I made, and just copied over the physbone from one ear, changed the root transform to my newly made parent, and both ears worked fine so thing

Head
Ear 1 Ear 2
Ear 1.2 Ear 2.2

becomes

Head
Ear Root
Ear 1 Ear 2
Ear 1.2 Ear 2.2

[compact dust]

alr ill see
the parent constraint made it all wonky

is it normal for the earring to move the parent bone tho ._.

[gloomy flint]

are the ears furry ears bc you just pick the bone that correlates where you're going to put the earring and put it under that

like if Ear Bone 1 moves the base, and you want it at the base, put it under that bone and align it, if you want it in the middle of the ear, Ear 1.2 would work, etc

[arctic ginkgo]

no, but maybe you have your pivot point set to center rather than pivot which might make it seem like it's moved

[compact dust]

ok it works correctly now

[gloomy flint]

i'm goofy silly i just figure things out by throwing them at a wall for 14 hours straight until i find a solution that works

[compact dust]

probably shouldnt have tried the parent constraint first

[gloomy flint]

lmao, valid

[compact dust]

but i believe i have to add bones to the other part bc it does not connect

the part with bones does 😭

[gloomy flint]

huh-

can you show your hierarchy-

😭

[compact dust]

nono i mean add blender bones

[arctic ginkgo]

it's good to talk to others to learn and to frequently reference docs and other's work

[gloomy flint]

the most i do is google

[compact dust]

bc its 2 seperate models, one doesnt have bones

[gloomy flint]

i am nothing if not stubborn

[arctic ginkgo]

i've learned a lot from reverse engineering free prefabs like gogo loco and vrlabs' prefabs

[gloomy flint]

i will find a way or die trying lmao

i figured out how to reverse engineer a screen dimming prefab for my avatars

i dont like having my emotesss but i dont have a server boost to get my brainless dancing emoji bac

[compact dust]

see what i mean by "the part with bones doesnt work"

prob cus it has no weight painting either

sigh

[gloomy flint]

nevermind i got it back

[arctic ginkgo]

if you have an object with a mesh renderer on it there is no weight painting, that doesn't mean anything to a static mesh, only skinned meshes have weight painting

it will just move with the game object it is parented to

[compact dust]

hrm

[gloomy flint]

i will probably call my helping short here tho bc i'm incredibly sick and one of the issues is light headedness and that's not fun when ur trying to think lol

[compact dust]

yeah ive no clue

maybe i could just make it one mesh instead of 2

how do you do that in blender :D

[arctic ginkgo]

why do you want to do that?

are the earrings one mesh currently or are you saying you want to make them one mesh?

[compact dust]

its 2, the upper ring and lower antler part

the upper ring is just the mesh and nothing else

[arctic ginkgo]

okay so that should just move with the bone it's parented to

is it not doing that?

[compact dust]

nop

its not

[gloomy flint]

show hierarchy pls

[arctic ginkgo]

okay can you send a screenshot of your hierarchy?

[gloomy flint]

ok are you putting the earring at the very END of the ear?

[compact dust]

yeh

its where the bone is

the lower part moves w/ the ear but upper doesnt

[arctic ginkgo]

how are you testing this?

[compact dust]

play mode w/ moving avi

[gloomy flint]

it looks like the earring has multiple parts-

[compact dust]

like i normally test physbones

[arctic ginkgo]

do you have physbones on the ears?

[compact dust]

2 meshes yeah

[compact dust]

yeppers

actually wait i have an idea

[arctic ginkgo]

select the bone with the physbone component, then in the "ignore transforms" list increase the number by 1 and then drag the earring into it

[compact dust]

yeah thats what i was abt to do

although the pbs are set up weird, they have no root transform

but meh

[regal brook]

is it nor possible anymore to scale the radius on the a phybone with an animation anymore?

[arctic ginkgo]

not weird, that's only needed if the physbone component is not on the root transform

[compact dust]

oh

[dark jay]

How do i fix emotes that have leg issues with vrcfury

[compact dust]

new physbone fact learned

[somber sequoia]

what does that actually mean?

[dark jay]

I know if i changed out the emote in actions and turned on ik foot it might fix it but i dont wanna do that

[compact dust]

alr ty its not messed up now

[dark jay]

i use vrcfury to add it as a emote

[somber sequoia]

okay... and what is the issue?

[dark jay]

The legs

[compact dust]

the legs supposed to move more i assume?

[somber sequoia]

...what about the legs?

people, please actually explain your issue, don't assume we'll immediately see what you see

[dark jay]

heres how its supposed to be

[dark jay]

the legs are broken in the emote

[somber sequoia]

... I'm done

[gloomy flint]

show.

[compact dust]

rip 😭

[dark jay]

here

[gloomy flint]

Then show how it's broken.

[compact dust]

we cant help if we dont know what it's supposed to look like vs. what it does to you

[gloomy flint]

Words.

[compact dust]

that's like the same thing

[dark jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVtQqqOo_DY this is how its supposed to be

[compact dust]

there u go

[dark jay]

i sent it earlier and it got deleted

[compact dust]

ah

[dark jay]

how can i fix it

[compact dust]

erm

idk

im not an animation nerd

[dark jay]

maybe i should ask in another server

[somber sequoia]

there's #animation but really it's "update the animation to look how you want it to look"

[regal brook]

...

[somber sequoia]

some parameters you can change via animation if you first disable the physbone component

[regal brook]

including radius, cause i remember being able to do that smoothly before

[somber sequoia]

huh I didn't think that ever worked, but maybe it does

[naive ferry]

how do i make avatar seats/stations on quest

[inland pumice]

how do I import a 3d model from a game into vrchat? I want to have my fav dead by daylight character in vrc.

is there a yt tutorial somewhere?

[somber sequoia]

lots, including this one I just saw posted in this server earlier:
#avatar-general message

[ornate stump]

Problem is when you take a character out from other games is called ripping. Since it isn't a condoned action, there aren't many known tutorial.

[somber sequoia]

ah yes, I provided generic info on how to get a model in - the game part varies.

[gloomy flint]

unless of course, you're in the fnaf fandom /j

[compact dust]

yeah some games actually have their models for download

i think zzz does for example

[gloomy flint]

All hoyo games do

[somber meadow]

really?

[gloomy flint]

yep, official mmd file downloads as thats the file they use.. apparently

[somber meadow]

I mean, they already know their stuff's gonna get ripped. Why not give it out already

[gloomy flint]

nnnnah they do it for community stuff

like hoyofair creations

that way people have a safe, legit, and easy way to use models for artistic stuff

Wuthering Waves on the other hand I DON'T think has their files for download?

if they did i would have seen if anyone could make a Jue handpuppet already bc damn,,,

cool dragon,,,,

Or if WuWa does give out the files, they're hard to find

[compact dust]

i do not believe so

[gloomy flint]

its so SAAAD i want more avatars of my lovely and my ONLY limited 5 stars,,,

[compact dust]

ive tried finding some to make a 3d print of one but i couldnt find any

anyways, anyone know of a way that i could have a constant animation that moves objects or nah

[gloomy flint]

looks like no official posts of the models, just people using Unreal Viewer

[compact dust]

i have no idea how i would do that

i have an idea to make a set of earrings like this but have it so their physbones allow them to spin when moved/ touched

[somber sequoia]

make an animation clip, set it to looping, put it into a layer in the FX animator, done

[compact dust]

that would make it a constant animation tho right

[ornate stump]

Then add contact and use contact parameter to control speed.

[gloomy flint]

yeah

i was gonna say- 😔

[compact dust]

that would prevent them moving in a circle and not falling or anything like that

so they wont freak out :D

right

[ornate stump]

It depends on how you create physbone chain hierarchy and have IsAnimated checked on physbone.

[compact dust]

so like if all the rings are tied to a center stick in the heirarchy, and the stick is attached to the ears

smth like that?

idk how i would setup the blender armature tho

why do i have to come up with complicated ideas 😔

[somber sequoia]

sorry, I was replying to your comment here, I forgot to do a reply: #avatar-help message

[compact dust]

yeah i gotchu, it'd still make it constant though right?

instead of when moving/touched

[ornate stump]

What part of it you want to make it spin?

[compact dust]

all the rings on it

so itd be kinda like a wind chime yk?

[ornate stump]

Then you have another child bone with bone head at the center of the rings. And weight paint the rings to that bone.

[compact dust]

cool idea but kinda weird execution (to me at least)

[ornate stump]

And since it's an earrings which are really small piece of accessory you'd need only one bone for the chain. More than that is just excessive.

[compact dust]

so this (blue is the main bone)

red or green as the child?

or neither.

[crimson pendant]

In all of my avatar projects, the left leg's default animations are crooked. This happens across multiple avatars. Any fixes, or are the default VRC SDK animations just fucked?

[compact dust]

example, probably wont do one this complicated

[ornate stump]

Main objective is having child bone head at the center of the ring. Then its tail direction isn't really matter.

[compact dust]

the head is the shorter part right

[ornate stump]

Head is the fatter part in blender bone.

[compact dust]

close enough

ikwym

[crimson pendant]

I'm having this same issue. Was this ever fixed?

[ornate stump]

You should screenshot how it look like.

[compact dust]

does the tail need to contact the ring btw

[crimson pendant]

mine's a bit hard to visualize, in this example my legs are digitigrade, but the highlighted transforms are ones from the plantigrade legs

[compact dust]

and would each ring need a seperate bone

[ornate stump]

Not necessary unless that makes it make sense for you.

[compact dust]

well i want it so that each ring can spin seperately

[ornate stump]

Then you create different bone on the same position.

[compact dust]

i should probably create the model first ngl

[crimson pendant]

the message I replied to before has more references, their issue is the same as mine

The default VRC animations are messed up, I think having a digitigrade setup just emphasizes those errors

looking through this chat, here's another example

[hearty elm]

Afternoon smart people of this community, I have a bit of a predicament with Avatars scaling. I made an avatar and tested it on PC and it worked well, but when i went to test it on my Quest, My hands where Way too big and i couldnt reach far infront of me. I couldnt rly put my hands togethor and have it sync perfectly either as they would phase into One-another.

The actual bones on the character are a bit small due to how its made since it visually has no arms and is just floating gloves... Any way to fix this?

[brave viper]

i'm going crazy, i accidentally hid some bones in blender but only in Object Mode...?

alt-H isn't unhiding them

[compact dust]

blender makes me go insane too 😔

[left wren]

im currently working with a model that has 6 fingers, and i need to figure out how to animate the 6th finger for the hand gestures. How would i go about this for sdk3? standard recorded motions dont translate like they did in sdk2, so im stumped.

(i could in all honesty just combine the 6th finger bones the the 5th and be done with it however for future note i want to know if it is possible)

[hearty elm]

wait how would that work with smth like finger tracking?... eh nvm. Is it like you want it to be animated with gestures aswell? and doesnt rly matter with finger tracking?

[left wren]

i want it to animate with the standard gestures. the problem is if i recall correctly, the animations for gestures require the bone/bones in questions to be mapped to the animators armature

i dont use finger tracking atm so i just need it stock animated

[hearty elm]

I have a rig rn with 4 fingers and i figured out how to reanimate the hand gestures to support 4 fingers. since Rock n Roll wouldnt work since that uses the pinky finger and mine doesnt have it.

if thats what you are refering too?

[somber sequoia]

did you move them into a hidden bone collection?

[brave viper]

i don't even know what that is

so probably not

[somber sequoia]

ditch the ring finger instead of pinky

[left wren]

part of the issue is i need to reanimate the fingers, however whereas 4 fingers work fine 6 cant as the humanoid avatar rig only supports a standard 5

[hearty elm]

Nah, i just replaced hte Rock n Roll animation with a flipping off people animation since i have a blend shape with a smug ass face

[somber sequoia]

hah well that works great too! I did that on one of mine

[left wren]

so the problem becomes how do i animate something thats not on the humanoid rig to gesture animations

[hearty elm]

I dont particulary think it really matters on how many fingers you have. if your able to change the gesture animations you can animate any real bone to work

Hell you can have gestures that make you taller if you do it right

but i see what you mean

[left wren]

i already have the animations set up they do not currently work

the fingers that i did animate follow their respective animations, however the 6th finger does not

[hearty elm]

hm.

Odd.

[compact dust]

so many fingies

[left wren]

see? its animated but in game the 6th finger sticks out

im sure its because its not on the humanoid rig

[hearty elm]

you did use the vrc_avatars gesture thing right? and assigned the new animation to the state correctly?

[left wren]

yes

[hearty elm]

shet. yeah im not sure then..

[brave viper]

i

[tall dock]

Blender question, what tool or how could I make the connection between lowerleg and upperleg like a corner? As shown in the drawing

(I'm sorry it's a drawing but I like to make doodles of how do I want to modify an avatar u.u")

[brave viper]

somehow unhid the bones

[hearty elm]

so like... to not make it as smooth and a sharpish corner?

[tall dock]

Exactly!

[somber sequoia]

go into edit mode, grab an edge and move it? Optionally mark the edge sharp

[hearty elm]

Guessing you used the sculpt feature?

[somber sequoia]

er, I meant to reply to the OP, sorry

[hearty elm]

mofo why you be replying to me? >:I

xD

all good

[somber sequoia]

haha "mofo" 🙂

[tall dock]

Indeed I did, I don't really know how to really use blender so i'm tryna learn

[hearty elm]

My methods wouldnt be the best for it but id just go in edit more and mess round' with the vertix on the leg until it works lmao

[compact dust]

petition to celebrate kazin for putting up with this channel

[somber sequoia]

sculpt mode does have sharp tools, if you want to do it that way, though you'll probably have to go into the normal edit mode eventually

[hearty elm]

lmao

[somber sequoia]

haha sometimes that's how it is

[tall dock]

Understood

[hearty elm]

im still a bit stumped on this, do i make the bones longer??? like. blehg

[tall dock]

And ty

If it isn't much bother I would like to ask for help somewhat frequently since I don't know how to use blender really u.u"

[hearty elm]

Well for a sorta beginner, it does look quite good :) good job man

[somber sequoia]

see #3d-modeling or the Blender discord

[hearty elm]

✨

[tall dock]

I mean I just grabbed a base and started modifying, I wouldn't know where to start in making something of my own nor have the tools to do so..

[tall dock]

Alright, ty very much

[hearty elm]

Thats how you would normally do it xD

or how i do it atleast.

[somber sequoia]

yeah - blender is the tool 🙂

[tall dock]

We the same hahaha ^.^

[tall dock]

I mean, that's true

[somber sequoia]

I know what you meant though, and that can be learned

[tall dock]

But it's a tool you gotta discover

[somber sequoia]

yep

[tall dock]

Yep!

Im trying to do my best on it

[somber sequoia]

I feel like I find something new every time I use it

[arctic ginkgo]

how bad are grabpasses for performance?

i found a cool pixel shader i want to use but it does use a grabpass, idk if that'll cause any issues

[somber sequoia]

bad, avoid if you can

I generally only use them on avatars for brief fun things, not like always-on

you in a world by yourself though? whatever

[arctic ginkgo]

yeah i'm definitely going to make it a toggle just for fun, idk much about shaders so i'm not sure how much i can do to edit it, but i do want to customize it a little bit

i already frankensteined it with the vrhchat/mobile/toon lit shader so it has parity with quest (aside from the pixel part)

[tall dock]

There is more than one edge on the smooth part, Im confused

[arctic ginkgo]

i didn't want it to be unnecessarily bright because the only options for the shader are unlit or cel shading if you pay for it

[arctic ginkgo]

what are you confused about?

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure I understood what you're trying to do here?

[tall dock]

Sharp edge on the connection between upper and lower leg

[somber sequoia]

is this a robot or something? People (including furries) don't generally have sharp edges 🙂

but yeah grab and edge and move it where you want. Subdivide faces if you need.

[tall dock]

Im having the problem because there's edges, if i subdivide it i think it would make it harder

[tall dock]

And kinda

It's like a chimera of some sort?

[somber sequoia]

well whatever it is, I'm not sure what problem you're having "because there's edges"?

[tall dock]

No like, the problem is that since there is 2 edges and no middle part connecting and smoothing, it may be harder to sharp it if i subdivide

[somber sequoia]

yeah I guess I'm not really sure what you mean

[tall dock]

Ahhh I'm sorry for being too confusing, wait me a sec

[tall dock]

Welp by experimenting I got the result I wanted, combination of sculpt's flatten and smooth vertices, this is what that was about

[somber sequoia]

ah okay, glad you solved it 🙂

[tall dock]

Ty! Anyways thank you for the input, that made me try and mix things up with both modes

[potent roost]

heya, quick question for anyone that may know. what might be causing these error when my friend tries to build they're avi?

[somber sequoia]

if that top one is not the first error, paste the first 2-3 instead

[tall dock]

And thanks to host for the help too ^.^

[potent roost]

okay let me get them to get a full screen shot

thats the full list

[somber sequoia]

"scripts had compile errors" seems to be relevant, but it doesn't show what

[inland pumice]

i just uploaded an avatar and my cam is buggy, how can i fix that?

[ornate stump]

Remove extra camera from your avatar.

Also the light.

[inland pumice]

should i completely delete these?

[ornate stump]

That's the scene light and doesn't matter.

[compact dust]

nah that's just for unity, does nothing in game

[potent roost]

yeah that's what we've figured as well we've checked that all the scripts are working and we haven't found any broken ones

[inland pumice]

oh i found it haha

[somber sequoia]

is that packed into the avatar prefab?

sus.

[compact dust]

blender camera/light getting yoinked 😔

how dare blender do that

[ornate stump]

It's usually when exporting from blender and user didn't delete the default camera and light.

[somber sequoia]

yeah the other names there are weird, but definitely go back into blender and don't include those when you export

(probably just delete them from your Blender scene unless you're using them for some unrelated rendering)

[inland pumice]

nicee i fixed it, now i need to get the textures

how do i get the textures from blender to unity?

[somber sequoia]

textures are just image files, put them into your Unity project

[inland pumice]

ok ez

[spring ember]

i downloaded a middle finger anim, how do i change the rock n roll gesture to it?

[somber sequoia]

Find where it's used in the Gesture animator and drag the new animation into the place where the old is

[spring ember]

where do i find the gesture animator

[somber sequoia]

it'll be listed under Playable Layers in your avatar descriptor

[somber sequoia]

ah you'll have to make one then, there's probably a tutorial somewhere for this

[spring ember]

im just confused bc hand gestures play still when i test it in gesture manager n stuff

[somber sequoia]

yeah - without one there it uses the default

[spring ember]

oh shit my bad i didnt read it my brain just went "nothing there = nothing happening"

when i search up how to change hand gestures i get results like how to add expressions to gestures and whatnot

[inland pumice]

quick question, why is the hat getting invisible when you look down in unity? in blender you can see under the hat

[spring ember]

lol is this dead by daylight

[inland pumice]

yes

[spring ember]

nice im making one too

[somber sequoia]

rough guess: it's one-sided and your shader is only rendering one side

[inland pumice]

nicee

[inland pumice]

thanks, i fixed it

[somber sequoia]

nice

[spring ember]

figured it out

middle finger work

[somber sequoia]

yay!

[spring ember]

tutorials for THAT were outdated so what i did was search up how to fix the motorcycle pose, which lead me to where the default hand gestures are

[hazy sphinx]

can someone teach me how to rig a vrc avatar?

[hearty elm]

Is there anyway to have the character in unity when animating NOT go in a hunch mode? Im tryna make idle animations and what not but im worried the hunch animation will get in the way

[somber sequoia]

nope, I do those in Blender instead.

[compact dust]

:D

[hearty elm]

Shucks. anyway to import the animations for mblender to unity?

[somber sequoia]

absolutely! you export them in a .FBX file

then just copy them out of it like you would materials and such, I found a tutorial at some point

[hearty elm]

Thats the thing... I setup the FBX file in unity fully with all the bones assigned and blend shapes assigned which took me a couple hours since im still fairly new to this... ;-; So going through all that again for this would rly suck.

[somber sequoia]

a) you can overwrite the existing avatar file just fine, if you didn't unpack it.
b) you can export animations in a totally different .fbx and extract them

[hearty elm]

Oh alr, will B work correctly if the bones are named accordingly?

aka will it work on the model if its imported seperataly if it finds the same bone name its using?

Eh it doesnt rly matter. i got some things to fixed

[somber sequoia]

bone names don't matter, the rig setup handles mapping them properly

[night ember]

Animate the guy not hunched first

You can usually find a tpose animation to use

[balmy marlin]

How do I move the tail controller menu to "GoGo Loco" and delete the "GoGo Locomotion" menu and submenus? Somehow duplicated it and none of the animations work inside of it. I don't understand the hierarchy in unity and I'm afraid to do anything because of how unity works.

[night ember]

Its just in your menu thats containing that stuff

Menus dont really have hierarchy's

[crimson pendant]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/bugged-leg-positions-for-default-vrc-sdk-animations
It would be appreciated if this got some attention

[night ember]

Thats not a bug?

[compact dust]

ive personally had no problems wit legs being messed up

[crimson pendant]

are your legs digitigrade?

[night ember]

Thats just how the idle is animated

[crimson pendant]

it's not apparent with normal leg proportions

[compact dust]

ive had no problems with ones that are digi either

[night ember]

But its not a bug that you can "fix" by just changing the animation

[crimson pendant]

you could, literally just make it symmetrical lol

[night ember]

Then do that

You arent forced to use it

[crimson pendant]

I'd like to see the setup for this, if you could, then

[somber sequoia]

I've used digitgrade legs and it's fine, but I also use FBT and so I'm not sure I'd notice anyway

[compact dust]

do you mean like this?

[crimson pendant]

until the sdk updates and you have the replace it again

[night ember]

No?

[crimson pendant]

that's pretty similar

[crimson pendant]

it's a default animation

[compact dust]

fbt for the no strange tracking win :D

[crimson pendant]

part of the sdk itself

[night ember]

Then just duplicate the file

[compact dust]

that's just the idle animation in that pic

[night ember]

You can literally just duplicate the default stuff and suddenly its a nonissue

[crimson pendant]

right

[somber sequoia]

yeah I was wondering about that

[crimson pendant]

that's what I'm saying lol

[crimson pendant]

replacing the animation means replacing the animator, since it too would be overwritten with updates

[night ember]

Literally just duplicate the file

[crimson pendant]

I'll have to duplicate several likely

but regardless, none of this should be necessary