avatar-general

[vague raft]

[rigid comet]

Maybe not visitors for example

lol

[vague raft]

that's rankist

[cinder urchin]

Vroid models are looking really messed up with shader disabled. every alpha part of every texture is black and looks ugly if eyebrews are a black cube over the eye

[rigid comet]

If thats rankist then i am global elite

[vague raft]

[rigid comet]

Welp

[cinder urchin]

does the saftly of PC users also hide Quest Avatars?

[vague raft]

oh yeah they rely on transparency huh

[rigid comet]

What

[cinder urchin]

never use Vroid without alpha!

[rigid comet]

You do not see any quest avatars as a pc player

You see pc avatars as a pc player

[cinder urchin]

and the x86 reupload of it?
Most peoples don't have a HQ version of an avatar, if they made their avatar for quest

[rigid comet]

Oh then it might default to standard lite?

[cinder urchin]

and what's with fallback?

are fallbakc avatars hided by safty?

[rigid comet]

No

They're the fallback lol, would defeat the purpose if they could be hidden

[wise junco]

quick question: is it possible to access avatar files if you saved it in game or is it only accessible by the creator?

[karmic totem]

no

[rigid comet]

Nope

Ask the author

[vague raft]

When you say Saved I'm guessing you're meaning favouriting in which case ^^^

[wise junco]

yeah

ill go ask the creator

[covert nova]

When I get home I’m gonna try and make a vr chat model from scratch with no prior 3D modeling experience : D

[vague raft]

I wish you the best. My first humanoid character didn't end up like how I imagines but I learnt a whole lot from it.

[covert nova]

Mine is just gonna be my oc in my pfp

Just as practice

I’ll just do what I always do: brute force it until it somehow works

And rigging idk how to do either

I’ll figure it out in due time

[true zephyr]

Question! how can I add sound effects to avatar locomotion like foot steps?

[tender steppe]

So if physbone transforms are not bones that are effected by physbones literally what are they

because I have 4 components that affect 16 bones

but somehow have 30 transforms

literally how

[loud cape]

if you have a physbone component on some object in your hierarchy (bone or otherwise), every single object and child objects of it will be a physbone transform

@tender steppe

[tender steppe]

I set ONE BONE to be affect by physbones and get THREE transforms

[tender steppe]

correct there are only 16 bones affected but vrchat says 30

there are no other children

[loud cape]

any screenshots?

[tender steppe]

you cant post them here

[loud cape]

also, you can click the "Select" button in the SDK to highlight those

you can in #avatar-help

[tender steppe]

also you cant

[loud cape]

which is where you probably should've asked in the first place lol

[tender steppe]

because its good performance and doesnt show up

dude I literally never use this discord

"lol"

[loud cape]

you need to check the "show all performance stats" box in the SDK settings

[tender steppe]

does it go off of joints?

[loud cape]

otherwise the SDK only shows you the stats that can cause issues

[tender steppe]

thats the only explaination here actually

[loud cape]

yes, like I said, every single object parented to the one with a physbone will be affected

a single physbone can affect multiple bone chains

you can do an entire skirt with 1 physbone component for example

[tender steppe]

that is not what I am asking

you are fundamentally misunderstanding my question

what object are you talking about?

I have a single mesh

[loud cape]

gameobjects. the fundamental building blocks of anything in your scene in Unity

when you import an avatar, every bone and every mesh is represented by a gameobject

those little gray cubes in your hierarchy

[tender steppe]

okay but

16

there are not 30 that I am messing with

only 16

I can count lol

man this server is so cringe

end bones

cause fbx is a bad file format and unity sucks

:)

[loud cape]

no, you just had "Add leaf bones" enabled in your blender export settings

it's enabled by default

if you export using CATS, it will be disabled, and the scaling settings will also be set correctly, so that the scale of everything in your avatar is 1,1,1 across the board

alternatively, you can make an export preset in blender

[tender steppe]

nope

unfortunately that is still not the issue

[loud cape]

okay, could you please screenshot your hierarchy and send a screenshot in #avatar-help? without any visuals I can only guess at what your issue is

[tender steppe]

I have conceded that this will not be excellent performance because this is broken so no thanks

[loud cape]

would also like to see your physbone settings

[tender steppe]

maybe another time

too frustrating to work with this sdk tbqh

lots of missing features and bugs it gets tiring after a while lmao

[loud cape]

I'm not sure which part of this is the SDK's fault

[tender steppe]

thats cool

:)

I am done like I said seeya

[copper venture]

Does anyone know where to find an alucard avatar form hellsing that is on quest

[agile solar]

#avatar-search-old

[copper venture]

Oh shit my fault I thought I was in that chat

[neon finch]

reading this chat is getting me mad

[rigid comet]

lol

[prime python]

i try and make my avatar quest compatable but the system always says i cant import it with any particals or lights and there are non for quest cant even find a vid on it?

anyone here familiere with this?

[agile solar]

👀 What are you trying to do?

[charred leaf]

i cant do anything with converting my avatar it just says something something cannot be null

[loud cape]

that isn't helpful. can you screenshot the entire console? with every error you see?

[charred leaf]

i posted it in the help tab a few mins ago

[woven ice]

not sure if this is the right place to ask, but i messed up the shapkeys on an avatar and now the teeth are jetting out when i have any two shapkeys on.

[arctic dirge]

you could select the vertices you don't want to be affected by a shape key, and then ctrl+V and there's an option there, I think "apply from shape key", it brings up a dialog iwth a checkbox, turn that off, and those vertices will revert to the basis key

ah "blend from shape"

You may need to do this for multiple keys, and may need to redo any that actually move those things around, definitely not ideal

[woven ice]

ooh ill try it

[slim gyro]

can someone help me get a model of the grey robot.
kinda like the base avatar when you first get vrc
just with hands head and torso
no arms or legs/feet

please send in dms if you found one

[worn burrow]

pretty sure its in the avatar sdk

posting in 3 channels is unnecessary

[slim gyro]

Srry

[solar sedge]

hey guys
is there a way to make an object dissapear within a set amount of time without using scripts

since VRC SDK doesn't like scripts and makes me remove them each time which breaks stuff

I would keyframe it but unity has this tendency of looping animations despite me turning off looping either way

the turning off looping only seems to work on basic FBX rig animations, but for explosions/particles it just doesn't care for some reason

I was using the New Change Material change component

but unfortunately it just wants me to remove it

[vague raft]

Use two animations where first animation is X long, where X is the amount of time you want it to last, and the second animation is disabling it. Transition from state one to state two, exit time enabled at value one and transition duration of value zero.

[solar sedge]

Thanks for the tip, I figured out I'd only keyframe the material and it sort of worked out

Didn't work on my other 3 animations but it just did on this one

Weird if you ask me but hey, it works

I just wanted to add a shake effect with an explosion

So I keyframed only the screen shader which causes the shake and just let the particles not loop

[gritty hazel]

is there a good pbr shader other than the unity's standard shader?

[solar sedge]

Poiyomi shader has a crap ton of stuff built into it

The downside is that it can be prefromance heavy

But it has its own compressing

Upon uploading

A character

[gritty hazel]

so poiyomi can be used for pbr?

i thought its only for anime style avatars

[solar sedge]

Well, I use it for a bunch of other things, you can do pretty much anything with the material

Like a metallic glass emissive shader

With glitter-

So yeah it's pretty useful

It has a lot of metal options

Which is my favourite part of it

[gritty hazel]

i see

[solar sedge]

The downside is
Not all worlds support every shader

Especially worlds without post processing

[gritty hazel]

i tried using the standard unity shader and my avatar looked bad

[solar sedge]

Which is performance heavy on their own

Yeah that's not a surprise

[gritty hazel]

like it looked too dark

[solar sedge]

Oh, yeah that's easily fixable

It makes sense that it was too dark

Cause default unity shader just be like that

I only use it whenever I need basic metal shading and nothing much

Probably just throwing in some normal map and that settles it

But yeah give Poiyomi a try

It's worth a shot

[gritty hazel]

which shader is avatar using? https://zawoo.gumroad.com/l/ChaosCanine?recommended_by=search&_ga=2.237476482.30167426.1657397264-1788112846.1651781111&_gl=1*1elmke9*_ga*MTc4ODExMjg0Ni4xNjUxNzgxMTEx*_ga_6LJN6D94N6*MTY1NzY0Mjg4My40Mi4wLjE2NTc2NDI4ODMuMA..

could it be poiyomi?

[solar sedge]

I'm not entirely sure

Most of the high quality models I've seen

Do use Poiyomi cause it's just the "standard" for vrchat users who want a better quality material for their characters

This could just be assambled with some very well made textures that probably don't even need that stuff, who knows

[wintry glade]

For good PBR most of my friends use Mochies

[solar sedge]

I haven't heard of that one actually

[wintry glade]

https://github.com/MochiesCode/Mochies-Unity-Shaders/releases

[solar sedge]

Is it performance heavy?

[wintry glade]

Don't think so, but PBR is obviously more performance intensive than toon lit just because there is more going on

[solar sedge]

At It seems to be a much smaller package compared to Poiyomi

So I won't have to contain 1GB with each character

[wintry glade]

Do you have a new project for each avatar?

[solar sedge]

Yes

They tend to get a bit

Extreme

[wintry glade]

Still though, a new project for everything is really overkill

Good organization and folder management saves you a lot of hard drive space by reducing the amount of libraries and dependencies you have duplicates of

[solar sedge]

I just got 50 GB back by deleting a bunch of games so yeah I think I'm alright for now

Had to work with 1 GB for a like a month lmao

It's just that, the Hierarchy tends to get incredibly wacky with all the animations I set up

[wintry glade]

You should have 1 avatar per SCENE, but all your avatars should be in the same PROJECT

[solar sedge]

I can barely manage unfortunately cause I usually rush lmao

Well, my "avatars" are just basic FBX files with basic unity materials so it's not that bad

Since I do make my own models

Although yes there's a few

With a little too much I can manage

[vague raft]

Yeah I find this to be the easiest way to organise.

[wintry glade]

I'm saying regardless of complexity, it saves time and space to have it all in one project 🤷‍♂️

[wintry glade]

The people with more than a dozen avatars in the same scene hurt me 😭

[vague raft]

Every time I see that I immediately just go, "No stop, save the scene, make a new one"

[solar sedge]

The problem comes when I have 20 folders that all contain stuff that I might need not to mention packages with prefab animations that come in separate 20 folders

And that's for like one character lmao

[wintry glade]

Yeah its really sad when people that make prefabs don't know how to organize a proper export

[vague raft]

The only time I have more than like 2 models in a scene is if I'm working with a model that will be distributed

[wintry glade]

If I import a package and it wants to make more than 1 folder in my assets folder it's shit

[solar sedge]

lol

I just playtest a bunch of particle systems

And generally see which fits best

[wintry glade]

I will say it's easier to organize when you trend away from kitbashing and start making your own stuff

[solar sedge]

I can confirm that it's just better to make your own stuff

[vague raft]

Assets

• Avatar Named Folder
  • Animation
    • Expression
    • Playable
  • Audio
  • Materials
  • Meshes
  • Shaders
  • Textures
    This is how you're going to get any avatar I touch

[solar sedge]

This is how my folders should be organised but then I realise 2 sound files are in ANIMS folder and the other 5 are in Shaders (for some reason)

[vague raft]

Some put their Textures in their Materials folder, that's fine. As long as it's organised

[wintry glade]

Mine is usually
Assets -> Avatars -> Other people -> (Your name) -> (Avatar name) then
-Animation
-Icons
-Materials
-Textures
-Audio

[vague raft]

Sometime I have a Other or a Gimmicks folder for systems that use assets I want to keep together such as GPU Particles.

[wintry glade]

I avoid distributing shaders or other prefabs and tell the person to get them from the source

[vague raft]

Rn my Icons are in Textures. Though I can see why putting them under Animation makes sense

[solar sedge]

I'm still barely learning unity so I'm just taking my time with it

For example I didn't know there were blacklisted components for VRCSDK

So I had to improvise

A lot

And that scripts aren't allowed

[wintry glade]

It's technically not a blacklist, and moreso a restrictive whitelist

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/whitelisted-avatar-components

[vague raft]

yeah it's easier not to look at what's not allowed and rather just see what is. A lot of things aren't allowed

[solar sedge]

I'm mostly just working with Blender

[solar sedge]

Yeah I found this today

[wintry glade]

I just use the fuck outta Final IK and no one's gonna stop me

[solar sedge]

lol

I'm just not a fan of stretchy metal, so I do all the weighting and stuff myself

[wintry glade]

I did a lot of kitbashing but the time taken to fix the trash I downloaded took more time than doing it myself most of the time

Finding good assets is a skill in its own right

[solar sedge]

that's fair enough

lol

[radiant fog]

anyone know what settings on a standard shader or uts/poiyomi i would use to give it a tinted effect for glass

[brittle roost]

Faded render type, use alpha mod to make it translucent, then add some specular and gloss

[radiant fog]

tyty

[misty inlet]

making a world and trying to get the size right. Whats the avg. size for most avatars?

[hasty ocean]

2M I believe? (don't quote me on that)

[shell grove]

Has anyone ever polled on what is their favorite category of avatar is?

[arctic dirge]

I size mine to a reasonable human height, depends on the character

[woven ice]

about 1.5 to 2 meters (or about 5 to 6 feet)

[misty inlet]

Thank you

[arctic dirge]

I used 3m as ceiling height for rooms in a sort of space station, which seems pretty big but there's a lot of height variation on VRchat, clipping a Rex's ears is a problem 🙂

[median pasture]

I always see some avatars with ragdolls, I really wanna know how to add that to my avatar

[loud cape]

VRLabs ragdoll system

[safe harbor]

Wait, so twist bones aren't needed ?

[acoustic gust]

@ quest users:
What is the common poly count for a standard eboy/egirl avi for you?
For PC they are mostly at 100k - 300k. If the lobby isnt too full and you have a decent PC theres no problem of rendering that.

Whats with quest? Can you show avis with that poly count of does this result in lag?

[tough moss]

That feeling when you have a great idea but your adhd says "NO." The idea was a working combat system using avatar dynamics.

[loud cape]

technically not, but they can make arm twisting look a hell of a lot better

[loud cape]

even that is too high for PC. if you're at 300k, you're doing it wrong

[acoustic gust]

Depends on what youre doing. A 300k Poly, 50 Material Avi can even be more performant than a poor ranked one. Performance just dropps when the materials or poly play. If your poly/mats sum together by having a few Particle systems which dont play 24/7 and 5 different clothing sets so that youre on a 'live' count of 60k to 7 Mats its more performant than a poor which maxes out everything

[loud cape]

I understand that having clothing meshes disabled is better for real-world performance than having a single mesh and hiding the clothes via various methods (that's what I do aswell), but my point is mainly that even for multiple clothing sets, 300k is far too many polys. most human avatars I see have just wayy too many loops in stupid places, and a lot of people don't bother doing any optimization on assets they find

[solemn ice]

100k for a single earing

[loud cape]

I recently made a new outfit for my avatar, which brought it up to 12 pieces of clothing, yet only an inch above 100k tris. every outfit is a single material, with the exception of 2 which require transparency, so 2 materials for those.

[tranquil jay]

you scrubs over 25k polys

[loud cape]

I could get there easily if I remove the clothing options, but I would only do that for my fallback

[tranquil jay]

man i really dont wanna learn particle systems

but i must, for s m o k e

[pine dove]

are there any sort of community standards for Collision Tags? Like I've got a big hammer on my avatar and I'm thinking of tagging it with "Bonk" but idk if there's something else I should put that would make it more compatible with other people's avatars

[brittle roost]

Ever since I added a wireframe shader to my avatar I’ve become severely disappointed in model creators with how many fucking polygons they use

[loud cape]

ikr, I did the same

[arctic dirge]

I saw this in a test world, it's enlightening

[hasty ocean]

I love pulling out the the wireframe shader and complaining at my friends.
"You take commissions, yet you cant dissolve some loop cuts"

[shell cypress]

i find it ammusing that my test subject for learning how to make avatars is a phoenix write avatar my friend wants

[hot dawn]

how long does it take for avatars to be deleted?

i've deleted some through the SDK control panel in unity but they haven't disappeared from my account?

[hasty ocean]

You're on the right version of unity, right? sometimes minor patches will brake some stuff in unity.
I usually just go through the website for avatar management.

[hot dawn]

yeah it just ended up taking some minutes

you can't delete through the website i think? idk i tried to find the button and i couldn't

[tranquil fog]

hey, I had a question, is there like a chart that I can look at to see whats considered like quest compatible as far as avis?

how many polys, stuff like that?

[worn burrow]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-performance-ranking-system#quest-limits

[hasty ocean]

check #community-servers-old for vrc traders, they are way more set up for that than here.

[molten valve]

Nobody warned me that uploading an avatar was so complicated

[heavy pier]

hey vrc folks I need help I'm looking for a wizard or witch hat but don't know where to look
trying to recreate my alchemist kobold character from SL into vrc

[neon finch]

300,000 and 600,000 poly!?!? 800,000!? 1,000,000!!??

[tranquil jay]

my gpu is sobbing

[neon finch]

When my gpu said it was vr ready It didn't mean it could have breezed 3,000,000 poly from just looking to my left

[tranquil jay]

the 5 million poly egirl moving 1cm and the sheer clap of her jiggly jugs crashes the whole instance:

[past rover]

https://twitter.com/antonhand/status/1184927615309635585

[tranquil jay]

💀

[shell cypress]

I am stalking the avatar help channel to learn how to make avatars

[hasty ocean]

That's what I did lol.

[neon finch]

B l e n d e r

[shell cypress]

i found the translator in CATS

[left arch]

Hm. Y'all tempting me to set aside working on my avatar and maybe Speedrun making an avatar for quest today.

....

Mayhaps.

[cosmic python]

hi I want to start making my own avatars, does anyone know what are good apps for It?

[brittle roost]

Unity

[lyric ledge]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRUlfYGZBxVeEAVXkaG1uydyzFZAMOuMd
The official vrchat avatar tutorial is a good start

[cosmic python]

that you very much

[left arch]

BTW, @eternal steeple is likely a scammer, or using suspect methods. They contacted me about a commission that I listed in a server they are not in. Not sure who to inform, but watch out for that.

They blocked me after I called them on it, so yeah. 90% likely they're a scammer. Watch out.

[neon finch]

@tough epoch ah sorry I @'d you earlier, but i installed the package from your video on mocap things, made sure it was all properly installed.. using updated sdk and everything.. but i make the mesh recorder and dont see the pixels even in play mode?

[tough epoch]

Looking through the game tab or scene tab ?

[neon finch]

Both ! they dont show up in either

[tough epoch]

Alrighty, I'll give it a try on a new project again

[neon finch]

alrighty thank you 🙏 im unsure what i could be doing wrong and i hope its not something im doing 😓

[tough epoch]

They're here for me when the actor and camera are enabled

(In game view)

Do you not see the pixels with the MOCAP Actor enabled ?

From the test scene

[neon finch]

ohhh 😅 i shouldve thought of that, so simple haha i just wasnt sure if i was gonna need to have those enabled as i wasnt gonna be using default fred

[tough epoch]

The thing displaying the pixel is within the "worldspace" gameobject, which you duplicate/move onto your model, you should be seeing the pixels with even just that

[neon finch]

i have the world space under my model and i downloaded the package you linked but it only shows up when i have either of the default ones enabled

[tough epoch]

[neon finch]

im pretty sure ive done everything correct? may i add you for a few moments to screenshot whats happening? and we can unfriend afterwards 🙏

[tough epoch]

I'll try with another model and the vrc sdk in the project to see if I can repro, if that doesn't work we can do that yeah

[neon finch]

alrighty, thank you so much!! 🥺

[tough epoch]

Oh, did you by any chance forget to copy the camera component under the Hips bone as well ?

I hope I didn't just miss that step in the tutorial

[neon finch]

hmmm, i was watching everything up until the point the pixels showed up and i didnt know of that!

[tough epoch]

Ah fuck I'm dumb

[neon finch]

so id copy the "mocap camera" and put it under the hip? and aaa its okay! i still feel like i mightve missed something myself 😭

[tough epoch]

Not the gameobject, just add a camera component on your hips bone and copy the component values from the mocap actor

Then on the component you create, same steps but paste component values

and you should see the pixels

[neon finch]

aa yep!!

[tough epoch]

Now I'm wondering why the pixels are visible on my tutorial even though I didn't do that step, that's concerning, thank you for bringing this to my attention !

[neon finch]

that did it!!

thank youuu so so much 🥺

[tough epoch]

Sorry about that

[neon finch]

all gooddd c: !! im really excited for this coz i,,, cant imagine having to hand animate everything i have in mind,,

[tough epoch]

Given the other missing step from the video (fuck youtube for removing annotations), i'll probably make a new updated one

Feel free to ping me if you've managed to get a cool animation out of it !

Hopefully you saw the note in the description about the copy of the .exe as well

[neon finch]

ahh cool!! will do ❤️ and yeah!! i dont know if ive gotten to that part yet of where i had to do that 🤔 but ill make sure to read that as well!!

[neon finch]

ohh uh a side note.. i have two different computers, one for vr and one for other stuff like unity.. would this only work if i was recording on the same computer ? i assume yes ?

or would i just need to record it and send it to my other computer

since i assume the pixels are whats calculating everything

[tough epoch]

So I just realized something, technically the tutorial isn't wrong, I'm just not showing a specific setting

Turns out this auto hide setting remained disabled for me as I was recording, it should be enabled by default to not render on all non-specific cameras

So your model would have worked fine

[tough epoch]

The two accounts/models can be on different compters

[neon finch]

ohhh okok cool!! 🙏 itll still work even if i dont have the camera on my hip right? i did put it on but i wanted to be sure

[tough epoch]

All that matters is recording the pixel either from local or remote perspective, with the correct screen resolution at fullscreen mode

[neon finch]

right right! gotcha. ill get to that !

[tough epoch]

Correct, the camera on the hip bone is only if you want to record yourself rather than using another account to do it and get smooth IK

[neon finch]

ooh okok.. so if i record it just myself it wont be as smooth?

[tough epoch]

It'll be shaky like at the beginning of the video shows

[neon finch]

ahh gotcha.. i guess i could record on this comp with a different account tbh 🤔 and with obs n all.. mmkay.. thank you so much!!

[tough epoch]

You're welcome

[neon finch]

one last thing.. is it okay if my window has black on the sides?

[tough epoch]

That might be to having two overlapping pixels layers, as long as it works correctly in VRC, there should be no issue

[neon finch]

ah nono i meant for like my vrchat window coz my screen is really wide so it has black sides

[tough epoch]

Oh, I don't there there should be any black bars on the side, as the systems expects the pixels to be on the most left side of the recording

I guess this wasn't intended with widescreen in mind

If you can somehow set obs to record the part between the black sides, it would be fine, but it needs to be exactly the same resolution

[neon finch]

haha im sorry for giving so much trouble ee 🙏 🥺 and i was trying to spread it a bit but my screen wont let me grab it to spread it farther 😓

[tough epoch]

No worries, it's good for me to learn about edge cases

I don't think stretching would help, as it may impact the recording, you might be able to set a specific recording resolution in obs however

If they're both set to 1600x900, it might work ?

[neon finch]

ohh ok ok lemme see one sec

[neon finch]

its just the same as before 😓

[wooden bramble]

hey, where do i get dynamic bones? for unity

[neon finch]

you have to buy it off of the unity asset store

[agile solar]

They've been replaced with Physics Bones.

[tough epoch]

Are you maybe able to do the recording on the other PC you have ?

[wooden bramble]

but dont i need to have dynamic bones to convert old db to phys?

[neon finch]

possibly but thats also widescreen,,

[neon finch]

i believe so

[wooden bramble]

i... also dont know how to convert lol...

but one thing at a time

[tough epoch]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/physbones#manual-dynamic-bone-conversion

[wooden bramble]

tysm

[proven mica]

Question! I'm trying to get a finalIK exoskeleton-thingy to work on my avatar, but I'm finding that the IK only works in desktop mode - as soon as I test the avatar in VR, the IK acts as though the avatar's limbs are still moving with the standard desktop animations. Does anyone know enough about finalIK to help me out?

[tough epoch]

A crazy thing that may work, assuming discord doesn't do screensharing for widescreen, is to start a call and share the vrchat window screen, and record that on the same pc that is capturing in vrc

[neon finch]

ohhh that sounds like it might work 🤔 i could give that a try when im home again!!

[neon finch]

i mean it definitely scales it to make it fit on my screen though 😓

[tough epoch]

Well, it might be fine on the output then, as long as it's not stretched and if there aren't black bars

[neon finch]

If that doesn’t work is it possible for me to maybe commission you at some point to adjust it for my specific resolution at all? 🥺

[shy ginkgo]

anyone know where i can go to get some help for my avi edit?

[hasty ocean]

If you're doing it ask away in #avatar-help for whatever problems you run into.
If you want someone else to do it check #community-servers-old for vrc traders.

[shy ginkgo]

im not having any problems just very new in edits and dont know where to start

[hasty ocean]

First thing first, have you uploaded anything before?
Next, what kinda edits? texture, mesh, props, animations, etc?

[shy ginkgo]

clothing edits and i had a friend make an edit for me and upload it

[hasty ocean]

Great, so you know you're how to upload then an avatar.
If you are just editing textures, on already exiting clothing use either a 2D or 3D painter.
If you are trying to edit the mesh if mesh, grab blender.
if you are trying to add to parts from other meshes, you'll probably need to know how to manage armatures by hand or with the CATS plugin.

[shy ginkgo]

i grabbed clothes from different places and are trying to apply it to an avi i like i have blender and have never used it before but i know im gonna have to do it. the only issue im facing rn before i move the avi into blender is some of the clothes are clipping into each other and i need to fix that.

[hasty ocean]

May wanna pop over to #avatar-rigging, as that chat will know, more or less, all the steps you'll need.

[shy ginkgo]

mk

knew this was gonna be alot of trouble lol

@hasty ocean is there any place i can go that will do a vc call with me and kinda help me?

[hasty ocean]

not directly, but im sure you can ask about and find someone

[shy ginkgo]

i dont know exactly where to ask tho

[lavish mantle]

my friends trying to upload a avi to theyre account and they cant type a part of theyre vrc tag cause its copy and paste how would they go about this?

[neon finch]

I need someone to upload an avatar for me please if you will do it for me

[tough epoch]

Sorry forgot to respond to this earlier, I'm not the creator of the shader system, that would be lox as mentioned in the video description, but I'm using an old version of his system that was more reliable for this specifically, worth asking him if there's a way to easily record with their latest version !

You can also ask someone to record for you at the correct resolution

[frail osprey]

Whats up my avatar homies

what are we do in this times

B)

[karmic totem]

you mean they can't sign in? They can use their email address to sign into the website and the SDK

[frail osprey]

HAH

I win

B)

weight painting didnt destroy the avatars fingers

everything else is mostly fixable

[glacial thunder]

A quick Question. Im doing Roleplay in VRC and at the moment, im thinking about adding some spells to my charackter with particle effects. So i wanna know, would it be possible, do doe something like this.
First you activate the Spell and get something like an laserpointer, with this, you aim where you wanna shot, like under a monster and then the Spell (effect) starts where you did aim the laserpointer? so that you can always aim at different positions..?

[humble dock]

Yes, this is very possible with World Space particle emitters

Not available to explain atm but it shouldn't be hard to figure out

[glacial thunder]

Knowing how its called is enough for me to goggle it and stuff thx 😄

[humble dock]

👍

[frail osprey]

Is there a list of visemes somewhere I can have a look at so I dont have to boot up unity every time I make facial expressions?

[solemn ice]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/animator-parameters#viseme-values

[frail osprey]

Ah! thanks :D

Oh you can make animations play with speech??

Thats kinda cool ngl

[neon finch]

Does anybody know how to fix unity

I wouldn’t let me upload it to quest

Like pc and quest compatible

[frail osprey]

Sometimes there are things that prevent you from uploading to quest

Can I see the uh

The uploader menu thingy?

[solemn ice]

Provide more detail. It should report something in the console when it's unable to do something.

[frail osprey]

I think whats happening is they just straight up tried to upload a PC avatar to quest but im not sure just yet

[solemn ice]

Their description was still too broad to diagnose into the exact issue. There are dozens of reasons for "not letting one upload to quest".

[frail osprey]

What is the sil referring to?

is it that inbetween of l/r on languages like korean?

[solemn ice]

Sil is idle mouth

[frail osprey]

oUH

[solemn ice]

Stands for Silent

[frail osprey]

So like..

slightly open?

or just kinda closed

[solemn ice]

Just mouth when you're not talking

[frail osprey]

Ah icic

Aight thanks 👍

[tidal maple]

lets goo i got my commission!

[hasty ocean]

Pog

Should post it in #avatar-showcase

[sudden night]

Is anyone good at making avatars because I’m trying to make one but I don’t have a computer to make it

[hasty ocean]

Problem is, if you don't have a computer, you can't upload it to your account. Would have to be public for you to use it.

[sudden night]

No I have the computer it’s just that it will not let me run blender

[hasty ocean]

Ab bet, check #community-servers-old for vrc traders then.

[rancid thunder]

I am currently fiddling with emissions at the moment after changing shaders. Anyone know a good world to test emissions?

[sudden night]

Never mind have someone working on it

[burnt tartan]

you know how any object within the head parent is invisible to the player in 1st person? would there be any way to allow myself to see the object once pulled away by another via physbone?

[light dock]

i need avatar ideas

[burnt tartan]

solved, placing object outside head, using scale constraint parented to head makes it so i can't see, but others can, however when weight is set to 0, i can now see it

[slim bay]

It's it possible to have custom blinking while keeping the simulated eye movement? Wondering if it's possible to have, say, a shark blink with the outer lid and having the inner membrane move at a different time without removing the simulated eye movement

[steady helm]

General chat wasn't helpful, so I'll ask here.

Quick question, since I can't remember the proper name/term for this is... Y'all know how you can't really use a gif in a material/texture, so you have to use something like a sprite sheet or other such array of individual frames, and then throw it into a particular shader? What's that array thing called again? (Also possibly the kind of shader?)

I know that protogen & synth avatars have this kind of thing to animate their faces, among other things.

Trying to find the proper terms so I can point someone else who's doing a Minecraft mod in a potentially helpful direction to get animated textures

[karmic totem]

minecraft is a Java game, and this is for VRChat avatars, in a Unity game. If you want to ask about that type of thing, the only appropriate place on this discord is #general-media Also, I don't have answer

[steady helm]

I'm just looking for the terminology

[karmic totem]

You would likely want to look at how Minecraft does it's scrolling textures

[hasty ocean]

Flipbook animation?

[steady helm]

Thankies

[mild mauve]

Anyone know where to find quest compatible avatars for mute communication? Like maybe one with a sign that has commonly used words on it or something?

[lavish mantle]

does anyone know where i could get a free substance painter?

[loud cape]

normally it is paid only, but they have an education program you can use

[lavish mantle]

im guessing adobe?

[hasty ocean]

someone has a keybord prefab thats quest compatible you could put on your avatars

[lavish mantle]

does someone mind walking me through Gogo loco i had someone walk me through it earlier and I'm trying to do it on another avi and I'm completely lost.

[lyric ledge]

Step 1 : drag and drop the controllers into the playable layers.
Done

[lavish mantle]

huh-?

[lavish mantle]

do you mind Screen sharing it because i am very stupid

[lyric ledge]

no. it's similar process to how you handle file in windows explorer.

for starter, what have you tried so far

[lavish mantle]

I got it on but now all the toggles are gone other then gogo

[lyric ledge]

either combine with the tools (that i forgot what it's called) or manually combine

[left arch]

Tryna decide between which thing I should model today....

I could make a buncha cool weapons to put in booth

[golden field]

Is there a simple way to detect jumping with 3.0? I want to play a particle effect when I jump.

[solemn ice]

Condition to play state with parameter Grounded false and VelocityY greater than 0

[golden field]

Does VelocityY go into the negatives too?

I don't want it to set off if I fall from a ledge

[solemn ice]

It does when you fall

[chilly grotto]

Is dynamic or physic bones payed only?

[solemn ice]

Dynamic bones is paid.
Physbones is included in the sdk

[warm sphinx]

Hi everyone where can I find lil Wayne avatar on vrchat

[karmic timber]

#avatar-search-old

[warm sphinx]

nobody respond

[karmic timber]

ok

[marsh snow]

Idk if this is the correct channel but I am saving up for a pc and the number one thing that I mainly wanna do is create/edit avis and it looks sooooo complicated does anyone have any advice that could help me starting out or anything I should know?

[hasty ocean]

My recommendation is to start with the vrc tutorial videos. Then use a prefab from Sketchfab or Booth. Fix the errors all of them have. Do some texture edits, toggles, animations, etc. Then Make kit bash avatars from prefabs. Remake uv's and weight paint. Optimize for avatars so they don't lag. Make ones from scratch.
Of course, you can pivot at any point. Just a good pipeline to get used to everything you can do with vrc editor. The first one is always the hardest. Only gets easier from there.

[median fractal]

Is there anybody here that can quest optimize an avatar for me (ill pay)

[hasty ocean]

Vrc traders in #community-servers-old

[cyan prism]

@shut nexus Didn't want to use the #shameless-self-promotion channel to reply, so I'll do it here: is your 40% off code still active, or has it been claimed?

[neon finch]

Is it possible to have 2 different sets of hand bones on a single armature?

I think I need to parent constraint the second ones, correct me if I'm wrong or if there's a batter way of doing so as I'm aware of the poor performance of constraints

[cyan prism]

What are you trying to have the avatar do? Just trying to visualize what it looks like

[neon finch]

I'd like to have two different hands that have different set of bones and be able to toggle between them to have one at a time, is this clear enough?

[cyan prism]

i think so

so something that has 4 arms?

[neon finch]

More like hands, 4 hands, replaceable hands, interchangeable hands, 2 separate sets of hands that you can choose from and only have one visible at once, think of it as a modular body that can swap hands

[cyan prism]

oh that sounds cool

I can ping my gf when she gets up, this sounds like something she'd be interested in

[neon finch]

I'd welcome any kind of help

[vague raft]

I want to lead with 'constraints only get bad if you're using a lot of them' but what are you comparing them too for the same functionality?

[neon finch]

To using the same bones of the first set of hands, however I'm not sure if that's a good idea or if it's even gonna work properly, that's why I'm asking for some suggestions...

[vague raft]

Uploading to Windows you can use shaders like Poiyomi which have UDIM Discard allowing you to completely, well... discard tiles of the UVMap before it hits the rendering step. Other shaders can also do the same thing but I know the Mobile shaders Android uses can't. This method would let you use 1 set of bones and even keep both sets of hands on the same mesh, even the same material if you wanted

I've been experimenting with it, using it for toggles so I can have 1 mesh be 1 material but have the functionality of up to 16 toggles.

Though when people have your shaders off, both hands would be visible to them

[neon finch]

That sounds like a cool feature, however what I'm worrying about is the bones them selves, they are sized and placed differently, I tried to use the second mesh set with the first bones set and it looked out of place, that's to say they looked unnormal, they'd be either way too open that you'd think they're broken or close in a weird shape...

[vague raft]

I see, if their transforms are different that then wouldn't be the way to go. Then how I picture it currently is both sets of finger bones stemming from the same wrist bone. Basically assuming the position and orientation of the wrist is the same for both hand sets.

In that case then rotation constraints seem like the most reasonable course of action.

As the rotations of the fingers is the only information you'd really need. Humanoid bones position and orientation is generally determined by their own and their parent's rotation.

Parent constraints would act like merging the rigs, keeping the same offset as the idle position, and position constraints are pretty obvious why that'd not be the best fit.

[neon finch]

Gotcha! I'll do that then!

[vague raft]

The only other 'constraining' method I can think of that allows an offset is rigidbody joints, but I feel like having 30 rigidbodies and 30 rb joints would be worse than 30 constraints performance wise.

[neon finch]

:nodding_head:

[shut nexus]

it has been claimed

[cyan prism]

ok, thanks. ill probably pick it up anyway next paycheck

it's very nice

[neon finch]

@vague raft Do you think it's more performant to just parent the bone GameObject for example the Second_Hand gameObject to the Hand go instead of using constraints at all? Just came to my mind, not sure if it's recommended tho...

I've seen lazy people do that when it comes to clothing

Thought it'd be useful in my case

[vague raft]

It didn’t come to mind before so it’s an interesting idea but from how I understand the setup of the bones, parenting them directly would give the same result as merging them leading to the crumpling/stretching one of the hands depending on which one is used as the base set.

When I picture it, parenting directly, merging or using a parent constraint would all give the same result.
You could always toss a couple prototype fbx’s together and see how each setup affects the hands.

[neon finch]

👍

[south shuttle]

Ik this should be in #avatar-help but I was wondering, is there a way to use ui stuff for like, health bars and such on avatars?

Nvm just realized you could use particles

[vast wyvern]

Idk if this is the correct channel or even correct server for this but is there anyone who does avatar commissions?

[scarlet sky]

Hi !! I'm using 3 points fullbody tracking and the index. When I stand up, my point of view seems to be in a correct position on my face. If I reach my eyes with my finger, I see the tip of my finger at my eye level both from the view inside the headset and in the mirror. But when I sit down , it becomes waaayyyy off, like I see the finger between my eyes in the headset, but in the mirror it is on my chest, like 15 or 20 cm down.
I don't really get the logic behind this, could somene try to explain ?

[merry swan]

depends what you lock in fbt and state of the avatar spine/hip/ect , if its very similar to your rl proportions you dont get that

[scarlet sky]

oh, I will try to change the locks, yes. The proportions are not very off, exepted I have broader shoulder. My irl total height/span and the avatar's fit quite good

[left arch]

Yo, anyone want a HUD shader?

[arctic dirge]

If you could get the hand meshes to be in the same place, this would be easy, VRChat wouldn't get all confused about it. Having them in actually different places is going to be tricky, yeah.

As for hiding parts from people without your shaders on, blendshapes, though you have to be careful where you position hidden things, and VRChat tends to get confused if you try to hide body parts

(I've been having a similar conversation with a friend elsewhere, he's doing this too)

[neon finch]

The other hands are twice as big, therefore bones are away from the original ones, when it comes to hiding them, I just disable the mesh root completely, they're 2 separate skinned mesh renderers for the 2 hands

[arctic dirge]

oh I see why this is a problem, yeah

[arctic dirge]

haha

[neon finch]

hahaha

Constraining each bone rotations of the hands to the ori ones got the job perfectly done! @vague raft

32 rotation constraint were required in my case

[narrow lance]

How do I edit my character I bought in vrchat

This is the very first time I bought character in vrchat and I need to recolor it.

[solemn ice]

Recoloring is just texture editing. Textures are just image files and can be edit or paint in any image editing app

[narrow lance]

Ok
I don't know which of the blender file to download from the files.

I'm trying to send a screenshot here but I can't. I don't know why

[solemn ice]

This channel doesn't allow it. You have to post images in #avatar-help

[foggy mist]

do poiyomi shaders work with fallbacks?

[merry swan]

pc yes

[narrow lance]

Alright
Thanks

[vital comet]

Any tips or "hacks" to make a avatar more polished on looking or functioning or optimized?

[cyan prism]

Well, there's always the official recommendations:

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-optimizing-tips

Definitely avoid lots of flashy particles, and don't go overboard with polygon count

Especially if you want to make a Quest friendly avatar

As for being "polished", you can find different shaders to apply. You'll want to choose one that is known to be VRChat friendly, like poiyomi toon shader.

Though the Unity Store has others, among free ones and writing your own.

[rancid merlin]

I have made my friend a from scratch avatar, but I have tested it in vrchat, how do I go about giving it to them without getting either of us done for piracy?

[vague raft]

Export the files from unity as a unitypackage. Ensure you have a prefab and/or a scene they can use so the setup is already done.

[rancid merlin]

Is there not an avatar identity or something?

[vague raft]

There is but making it public would mean anyone looking at your account could use the model. Plus Avatar IDs are account specific. If you want only them to use it then it's better just to package it up and give it to them. Tell them the unity version and the dependencies like shaders and whatnot they'll need. they can upload it themselves.

[rancid merlin]

Ok, so when I export it as a prefab it will remove the identity, or do I need to do that manually?

[vague raft]

there's a Pipeline manager on the same object that has the descriptor. the ID is held there. You can and should also detach it there.

[rancid merlin]

oki

thank you for your help

[half spire]

Hey guys. So I wanna ask. Are there special 3D art style that would look good for a male model?

[solemn ice]

Depends on your definition of good though

Like what even is your preference

[neon finch]

because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of philosophy

[solemn ice]

Lean, muscular, chubby, etc?

[half spire]

Honestly, kind of anything. Because I know that for most female models, they usually are anime based. Just wondering if there are any 3D design styles that could be used for male models

[neon finch]

Male models are also usually anime style based or just cartoony.

[silver adder]

It's hard to make PBR stuff look good in VRChat, requires the world to have good lighting. That's why most people use more stylized (anime, toon, etc) avatars.

[barren hemlock]

Most world lighting is abysmal even with toon shading

[silver adder]

Which further reinforces that reasoning.

Cause typically that stuff doesn't look as bad in poor lighting.

[vale fox]

not sure what youre asking. is there any reason why pictures wouldnt be sufficient? because there's a lot of answers to this question, good and bad. you can take more pictures of your new avatars and send those, make renders, make 360-spin renders so you can get them from all angles, upload them w/o sharing enabled to sketchfab so they can take a closer look, literally just send them the model files...

[manic grail]

So either it’s the shaders or blender atlases thr textures at a lower resolution. But can I theoretically just take scale up the atlas so that I can just toss the higher Rez version of each texture on top?

[winged tartan]

We can help you out
Am in your dm

[honest linden]

ok I have a question

how do most avatar makers actually make avatars?

I managed to get my vroid avatar into vrc and it just shows me how much I actually dislike how vroids look

and how much limitations it has

[solemn ice]

Make from scratch. For example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZiZ1FDRTnU

[honest linden]

can I learn to do that or do you need to be technical to do that?

wait I guess I can just see for myself

[solemn ice]

Being technical helps you learning faster. And you can learn being technical. So both

Pretty much it's about learning how to use basic blender functions. The rest, your artistic imagination is the limit.

[honest linden]

oh

well my imagination is very broad, but I can never express that in anything I make

I don't know if I can learn that to begin with

what I really want is to give someone talented money to make an avatar for me, but that's not financially possible for me at all

[barren falcon]

anyone know how to do a body swap toggle

like where you press the toggle and the model changes

[tender flume]

What would you guys say are must haves on an avatar?
Not stuff like FBT or physbones, but fun stuff like particle effects when touching a part of the body, certain prompts and scripts, etc

[vague raft]

I guess common ones I see are headpat face/particles, boop face/particles, eyes closing when hands/fingers get too close, pulling on hair or ears gives facial expression. Something I was going to give a go was using stretch on the cheeks paired with a facial expression/reddening decal.

They're not really a must but the interaction can be nice

[lavish dust]

Is it possible to disable certain blendshapes when talking? I have some gestures that animate the mouth blendshapes, but when talking the speaking visemes add on to the gesture and it makes some borderline horrific mouth movements.

[hearty hemlock]

I was wondering if I could move/adjust the shoulder bones bit more back on a armature and then turn that into a new rest pose without it breaking an avatar much? I just realized that the shoulders/arms were placed more forwards towards the chest which isn't a very realistic posture.

[severe shell]

im doing some animation stuff for a avatar and i am having a lot of trouble so far

any help would be apprecieated

[severe shell]

like a lot of stuff that works in the animator (which is all in the fx lay) just doesnt plane work outside of it in build and test

oh whoops saw that this isnt help

[red path]

I think setting Mouth & Jaw via Animator Tracking Control to Animation instead of Tracking should disable mouth visemes when speaking. You could disable them only when your specific gestures are activating. Remember to always turn Mouth & Jaw back to Tracking otherwise.

[long willow]

Does anyone know how to fix my hip moving the head and head moving the whole model? I have a video I can send in DMs

I've remade the model

[empty sparrow]

Um, why does the control panel say I have almost 215 million polygons on my 32k poly avatar?

[alpine root]

How do most avatars on Gumroad handle dependencies (like ORL shaders, the SDK) and optional stuff like Hai's ExpressionMenu?

[vague raft]

Add it in the description of the product what dependencies it needs and try to reduce what you include in the download to things like fbx/obj's, textures, materials, prefabs.
SDK will update and people might want to use updated shaders in the future. Don't include paid things such as scripts that are used to set up features

[alpine root]

Alright, thanks! Would it be a bad idea to include ORL (it's MIT licensed) or should I absolutely leave it out just in-case someone has a newer or older version installed?

[vague raft]

Personally I try to leave as much out as I can. Make a note of what was used and on what version when developing so people can mimic it or decide to update it themselves. If it's something that's not too common you can always link to the source where you grabbed it from and they can pick it up themselves.
If you do plan on including anything just test it out importing the package/files into a fresh project with the dependencies you have listed in case something throws an unexpected error.

[alpine root]

Okay, thank you again

[quick briar]

Hi guys, I finished an avatar who takes more of 10 hours to finish and VRCSDK asked to me than I can't upload my avatar on vrchat and I must wait. Somebody knows how much time i must wait for be able to upload my work ?

[gaunt garnet]

You gotta spend some time in game doing things like talking in public worlds, doing stuff with an IRL friend can help with this. It’s not time based, and the factors actually being used are obscured so people don’t just grind up to trusted rank and use that for something.

[quick briar]

if i just launch game and move 1time every 10min, that work too ?

Or vrchat is too intelligent for that kind of tips ?

[gaunt garnet]

Too intelligent

Can’t really just afk brute force it. That’s part of the point of the system

[delicate cosmos]

Why can I not upload content?

You must obtain at least 'New User' Trust Rank in our Trust and Safety system in order to upload content. You can get this by just spending a few hours in VRChat, hop some worlds, and make some friends. Give it some time and you'll be able to upload content in no time.

As an aside, you must have a VRChat account to upload content. That means you can't use a Steam account, Oculus account, or Viveport account to upload content like worlds or avatars.

[gaunt garnet]

Thx

[sharp merlin]

Hi. Can I Ask Some Questions Here too?

[lavish dust]

Hey, thanks for the response! Do you know if it's possible to do the reverse? (Aka, If speaking then mouth blendshape = 0 )

[frigid hazel]

Hi,
how can i fix avatar prefab does not exist , when i try to upload it

[strong tree]

quick question: if I use the parameter driver to drive a synced parameter, I should set it to local only, and the parameter value will still be synced, right?

[vague raft]

right

[strong tree]

good good, thanks

[arctic dirge]

in what program?

one can "duplicate" a mesh in Blender, so clarity is good here.

shrugs

[red path]

Add either Viseme = x or Volume greater than X as a condition/transition in/out of your facial gesture states, that will make them not play at the same time when you speak. https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/animator-parameters

[strong spire]

is it possible to do avatar full body aim?

Aiming with the body!

like not only head

[lavish dust]

Thank you much! I'll try it out this weekend.

@zinc cosmos I've had this happen before, for some reason the scaling and position got all fucky. If you press F or Double click it should position your camera to the object if it's visible.