android-discussion

[mint schooner]

Maybe because vrchat isn't doing anything to fix mobile every update it just keeps getting more buggy for most people

[lilac delta]

Listen very carefully: the android mobile app is still in beta and early access, the developer in charge of the mobile app have been doing a great work to get it in it's current state. This takes time and if a bug is present make a canny or bug report where they ask and stop spamming this channel with complaining.

[mint schooner]

Ok then you listen carefully, we arnt complaining about bugs for no reason we're all having civil conversations about the bugs and complaining to eachother about what's happening on our end

[lilac delta]

Make reports and WAIT

[mint schooner]

We already have bro we are just having fucking CONVERSATIONS

Like you do in a discord server

[lilac delta]

No you act like a broken record player

[mint schooner]

So do you

Always complaining that we're complaining when like I said we're having a damn conversation what do u want us to do shut up and make the server dead?

Maybe some of us are just trying to get frustrations out by talking about the bugs

[lilac delta]

I been using the mobile app since day 1 when it was still a vrc+ feature, the current version is so much better

[mint schooner]

Ok good for you it's not like that for everyone every device is different

If you don't like what we're talking about then come back when we're done and don't bring it up it's that easy

[lilac delta]

The developer don't care about complaining here for bugs, they care for the reports, cause they have a job to do

[mint schooner]

i just said we do reports when we need to we arnt gonna report insignificant bugs that arnt effecting how the game plays bro
Some bugs are funny to talk about if u have such a problem with it report them yourself instead of starting stupid ass arguments over nothing

[lilac delta]

Report bugs i don't have?

[mint schooner]

Like the fly button, that's already been reported we just rant about how we miss it or hope when it'll come back
We are just conversating about bugs that have been reported so stop telling us to report when they have been reported

If u see people complaining about bugs that haven't been reported then report it yourself you have the information they talk about you can report it stop getting on our asses for talking about bugs

[lilac delta]

Yeah no that's not how development works, you report your own bugs and issues

Welp i'm heading back to gen 1, ill let others deal with this topic

[mint schooner]

Ok then stop complaining about us not reporting like I said we report when it's effects how the game plays quit starting stupid arguments

[lilac delta]

Wow what an attitude with that emoji reaction

[mint schooner]

Could say the same thing for you

[wet sorrel]

We got the Available in future update status for the flying button on camrra

[mint schooner]

Finally 😭😭

That's probably the one thing I'm looking forward to the most with these bug fixes

[hollow rapids]

I just hope by the time I'm forced to update on android, they allow very poor avis to be shown still cause idk how to take that screenshot that guy sent as either they just don't allow it at all or cause he hit the 4 very poor limit

[knotty wind]

the current implementation is a maximum of 4, i think... 🤔
but i am usually fine with seeing impostors, so i don't often worry about it 😅

[hollow rapids]

well as long as you can show them and wear one, that's all that matters to me.

been limited for so long cause there's hardly any quest avatars that are under very poor literally. it feels so good to actually see everyone now.

[mint schooner]

I've gotten so used to seeing imposters or having all avatars hidden 😭

[wet sorrel]

Limit is 4 very poor avatars. Poor and better are unlimited for showing.

It has been officially announced as of February 13th

[hollow rapids]

I know, I've already been aware of it since. just hope it stays that way. whatever they decide, as long as you can show very poor avis and wear one.

[wet sorrel]

IOs got very poor avais to use too

They gave us our use for our avatars, and though small, it is something.

[visual moss]

Can you tell me what's going on there on iOS? You can't even upload very poor avatars there?

[wet sorrel]

@visual moss i was able to. I was able to make it Quest compatible, and switch the build from Android to iOs build.

I don't have an iOs device but there is the #ios-discussion

[soft tangle]

This is useless when you want to report bug issue, yet VRC won't allowed to log in…

[naive bluff]

I think it's because you're still a Visitor.

Need to bump up those numbers.

[soft tangle]

Then, this bug report is useless to me like Dean always put the link to everyone lmao

I guess I will find alternative way to make bug report

[naive bluff]

What's the bug you're experiencing? 👀

[soft tangle]

Just issue about Very Poor avatar unwearable.

It's so frustrating that issue still not fixed by devs till latest update and I want this report reached to devs. What I got just lame Poor avatar all time while everyone enjoyed normally!

[mint schooner]

Yea I couldn't report anything until I was a user which is stupid

[naive bluff]

It's to weed out trolls.

[naive bluff]

What do you mean "unwearable"?

[soft tangle]

This #android-discussion message
And this one #android-discussion message

This is my two proof that Very Poor are still unwearable from previous update 1585 till latest update

I want to reach this issue for devs so bad honestly

[naive bluff]

How the fuck did you get an ultra-budget phone to work?

[mint schooner]

IDK if it's me but it looks fine? What's wrong with it?

[hollow rapids]

Wait so is that the reason why cause of specs

I literally just have a Samsung Galaxy s10e with 6gb ram and I can show very poor avis on here

And before you ask no it doesn't impact performance severely, there isn't a noticeable decrease showing one

[soft tangle]

I've found alternative way to report bug issue, even though staff not always active here in this forum.

[soft tangle]

Samsung S22 Ultra, still unable to use Very Poor from announcement they bring back till today

I had to use piece of shi device I have, just to enjoyed Very Poor avatar unlike flagship that I'm mention above. Here's my recent screenshot…

[mint schooner]

That looks fine tho...is there something I'm missing?

[hollow rapids]

His point is apparently that specific device he's using still can't show very poor avis, so he has to use a different one just for that.

One problem I do constantly deal with I know others have said here is the times it just stays on loading forever on mobile till you restart your device. I hope someone reported that.

It's random but it happens often

[mint schooner]

Oh yea that happens a lot with me and my boyfriend usually happens three times in a row and most times you just have to restart the app

[hollow rapids]

well for me it takes restarting the device as I have tried closing and reopening the app and is still like that.

[mint schooner]

Hm yea I haven't had to restart my phone before but every device is different still it would be nice if they fixed it because I hate when it happens and then the instance I'm trying to get into fills up 😮‍💨

[wet sorrel]

Usually happens for me when having poor connection.

[hollow rapids]

@soft tangle I saw that lol

[soft tangle]

I know, just react thatrandom kids yapping about his mom lmao

And his chat gone…

[soft tangle]

Unfortunately, they still recommended that website for a reason. I wish someone could help me to make a report about my issue cuz I really want to end my suffering using Poor avatar only all the time for real! 😩😤

[naive bluff]

👀 It sounds like your phone is just being a little shitter. Is it the Exynos model of S...22, you said?

Or the Snapdragon model?

[wet sorrel]

I was looking at my A52 with 6GB back in August 2023. It was able to run very poor in the beginning until the removal at the time. I haven't fixed that phone to test.

It was running Android 13 back then.

[urban wren]

I feel like this new drone and dolly camera update is becoming laggy & unusable for android players, my phone is good and all but ever since the devs released the drone and dolly camera, everything has been so laggy to me, I can't even open a single world without it saying "connecting server failed" nd always stuck in tht way for 5 times in a whole day atleast

Was able to play sum last night w friend but it's so laggy

[wet sorrel]

I haven't seen that yet on mobile

Ok saw drone button, but says it's not available on your platform

[mint schooner]

Yea I was about to say drone isn't even available on mobile yet

That looks like a PC photo anyway cuz mobile doesn't have the shininess for the jewelry

[soft tangle]

You ain't helping much, just judges people problem

[naive bluff]

I'm not judging, just an observation. It seems to be affecting JUST this phone.

That's why I'm asking if it's an Exynos or SD variant.

Exynos being Samsung's in-house SOC.

The last bit wasn't a jab, I was trying to remember what generation of Galaxy S phone it was.

[urban wren]

Yea, it's not available on Android but it's becoming so laggy nd vrc is unusable for some quite times

[urban wren]

The photo I sent?

im on mobile, the creator made excellent job on the texture so

[wet sorrel]

That is done very well

depends on the shader, and how the textures are painted

[urban wren]

Yuh

[wet sorrel]

I like making my avis quest/ios compatible. but I upload furry avatars that cute and cartoony

[soft tangle]

Here's S22 Ultra

Android 14
One UI 6.1

[wet sorrel]

My s23 fe has same Snapdragon chip

[vale edge]

Dang, still no ui7 for u?

[wet sorrel]

What s23 fe has

[soft tangle]

It's device from 2022, a bit outdated and no more update, yes. But still powerful enough to run heavy games so far

[soft tangle]

Same chipset, yet I can't use and see any Very Poor avatar in VRC but you can. That's a big L for my flagship device lmao because yours just 1 year gap

[lilac delta]

S22 Ultra outdated? xDD

[vale edge]

S22 still gets updates... It's getting UI7.0 this month or May at the latest... When you actually get it depends on your carrier but yeah. Should be some time soon tho.

[soft tangle]

Not completely outdated, just a bit lol 😂

[soft tangle]

I'm officially New User today! Yay 🎉😄

Maybe because I'm accept friend request for the first time after spending almost 1 year playing VRC last year, which leads to gain my ranks

Thank you @wet sorrel

[knotty wind]

then maybe you are having a separate issue? maybe the specific avatar you are trying is defective on Android or something? try another very poor avatar? 🤔
when you finally can make a bug report, remember to add the avatar's ID to the report... you can also post it here if you want any of us to give it a try 😅

[knotty wind]

yes, making friends is part of how to gain trust rank, congrats 👍

[wet sorrel]

@soft tangle You're welcome. It is part of the experience of vrchat.

[soft tangle]

True, even it takes a lot of time to find (the right) one

[wet sorrel]

Now you can make reports

[soft tangle]

Only one friend left to complete the challenge and get badge

[soft tangle]

Already make one once I got New User, just waiting their staff to response

[wet sorrel]

Very good. Hope it patches for your phone.

[hollow rapids]

my phone is from 2019 lol

[mint schooner]

I'm guilty of buying vrc+ to bump my rank up 😭

Congratulations though!

[mint schooner]

If u want I don't mind Friending you I'm tryna get more friends anyway 😅

[hollow rapids]

you can friend me too, I need more friends to do stuff with tbh

[mint schooner]

Okay! My users in my discord description :3

[mint schooner]

OMG I fucking hate Vrchat notifications I went to click on your friend request and then it made it vanish you don't mind sending another do you want me to send one to you 😭

[hollow rapids]

Ig yeah its like that

[knotty wind]

can/did you link it here? so we can up-vote? 🥺

[visual moss]

Recently got a Known User trust rating, playing only on the phone. I registered in August 2024. I don't really know how it works, but I think uploading your own avatars really helps to pump up the trust rank. As for buying a subscription, it's also hard to say... Isn't it possible to raise the trust rank without it?

Oh yeah, my device all this time was a mid-budget Galaxy a34 5g, 6 gb RAM. Cranked up to max settings. It's amazing my phone didn't explode from my 5 hours of mobile vrc

[heady sparrow]

First time purchase gives you a bonus somewhat equal to a rank up (only a points boost not an automatic rank up)

Generally playing the game uploading content n such boosts your rank but any type of moderation such as being blocked, muted, avatar hidden, etc lowers it

Adding friends raises it
Losing friends by either removing or being removed lowers it

[visual moss]

But without purchasing a subscription, you can also raise your trust rank to the maximum?

[heady sparrow]

Yea?

The trust rank isnt behind vrc+

Its just that vrc+ will give you a boost amount of points somewhat worth a rank up the first time you purchase it

[mint schooner]

Ya like diven said it's just a quick booster more than anything
I've met a lot of trusted and known users that don't have VR chat Plus and just made it to those ranks from playing ungodly amounts of VR chat and uploading avatars and other stuff

[heady sparrow]

h e h

Me sitting here with over 6k hours

[naive bluff]

Spending time in public worlds also helps your rank, just FYI.

[wet sorrel]

I got to Known User with an avatar upload, and then bought vrc+ to get to Trusted. It wasn't automatic.

[mint schooner]

I heard if you block someone that's a lower rank than you, it goes towards your rank up
IDK if that's true tho cus I just overheard some people talking about it in a public

[naive bluff]

👀 Uhhh... no?

That would be a terrible exploit.

[wet sorrel]

I moderated a few instances with kicks, blocks and mutes, and it didn't affect my rank

[mint schooner]

I figured 🤣

[heady sparrow]

the only time any of that affects your rank is when you are blocked and it lowers it

[mint schooner]

Ok so say I, a user, block a new user it'll rank them down or will it just slowly add to the deranking?

[naive bluff]

It'll add to the deranking.

They may derank depending on how much trust they have.

[mint schooner]

Ah ok that's actually really cool I didn't know Vrchat did that

[heady sparrow]

your rank has nothing to do with it

[naive bluff]

^

[heady sparrow]

its either they are blocked or they arent

however you also cant just bot spam someone's account either

[mint schooner]

Ah ok, I was told that the rank matters when blocking I just didn't know all of what it did because people wouldn't tell me 😭

[soft tangle]

You can Friend with me too if you want to gain ranks and challenge

[soft tangle]

Now I got access to uploaded custom content recently, before that I couldn't have access. Registered in July 2024 right after Furality ends 3 weeks later.

Here's my first photo ever once I'm open the game for you the first time!

[soft tangle]

Still no response so far… Probably staff busy having fun this weekend

[mint schooner]

Ofc! My users nekubeast all lowercase just let me know when u send the request :3

[knotty wind]

bug reports aren't exactly support tickets, so they don't always get replies from staff...
https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta/p/unable-to-use-any-very-poor-avatars

[lilac delta]

it's Easter

[wet sorrel]

Holiday weekends usually means slow response

[heady sparrow]

Canny posts dont automatically mean that you will get a reply

[soft tangle]

I know that, just a bit impatient waiting for reply about my problem

[soft tangle]

I don't know it's Easter Day today cuz we don't celebrate that here

[heady sparrow]

its still the weekend either way

[lilac delta]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

[mint rose]

I have a question, you can only create an avatar from a PC, right?

[wet sorrel]

Yes

That is how everyone uploads avatars. I believe Ready Player Me avatars might be an exception.

[quasi bramble]

I have a question

We are planning to do a conference event in VRChat with mobile support guests.

We expect a lot of visitors, but most of them will probably not have VRChat account.

Has anyone done this before? How do you handle this?

Thank you very much

[knotty wind]

a platform account can easily be created if you start the Android version of the game, just select "log In with Google"

[quasi bramble]

Thank you so much !

[olive jolt]

hii

[mint schooner]

Vrchats showing age gated instance when they aren't now 😭

Blurred the persons name just in case 😅

[lavish tangle]

I wonder if technically a Chromebook is glorified android if it would work on it

If all else fails I’ll just bring my S25+ with me when I wanna play

[silk swan]

chat what if i have an apple phone 😭

[naive bluff]

#ios-info

[heady sparrow]

Pretty sure the chromebook would implode

[shut ocean]

most chrome books are comparable to a mid-range phone nowadays, so it might not be too bad, but it'll be interesting in instances with more than 2-3 avatars.

[mint schooner]

Found another bug is anyone else experiencing this?
Me and my boyfriend were hanging out in prismics and he would leave to go to an avatar world come back and try to join off of my account and then get put in a public when we were in an invite only

[naive bluff]

That isn't a bug.

That usually happens when the instance fails to load or is unavailable.

[mint schooner]

That's weird we've never had that problem before

[naive bluff]

Did you both leave the instance?

[mint schooner]

No he would leave to go find an avatar world and grab some avatars to test in prismics and I'd stay behind so he could rejoin

[soft tangle]

Finally got the first badge! Now second challenge has began…

[mint schooner]

That's the one I'm on I gotta wait till September to get my badge 😞

[knotty wind]

aren't Chromebooks just mini PCs? 😕
i don't think they have access to the Android Play Store, so it won't be able to get the Android version of VRChat 😅

[wet sorrel]

@soft tangle Awesome

[lilac delta]

You won't keep both, if you complete the second challenge then the first badge disappeares

[mint schooner]

Yea it gets replaced with a badge saying you completed all of the challenges it's still worth doing imo

[desert sapphire]

Heyy guys

[mint schooner]

Wsp

[visual moss]

Please recommend instances that have games and are actually playable on a phone

Also, regarding billiards, does it even work in the mobile version? What broken activities have you noticed in the mobile version?

Also, what microphone settings can you recommend so that I can be heard better when talking to other people?

[soft tangle]

I've play pool like this before. All pool have issue like that in any world I go, changing to Reticle Aim controls doesn't help either. It's not possible to play with on mobile

[marsh coral]

yes, but they run ChromeOS instead of Windows/Linux

some can run linux but you have to check if your model supports it

they do have access to the playstore but its very dependent on what exact chromebook you have

ARM != x86 so they would need the use of a translator

[mint schooner]

I remember it working a few months ago but just recently seen it not working I can't even click on the pool sticks

[visual moss]

I don't know, maybe it depends on the world. Personally, I can take a billiard stick, but I can't interact with a billiard ball in any way...

[wet sorrel]

A friend used a bluetooth keyboard to play pool

[drowsy tusk]

is there a way to make the mic toggle button on the right screen side? I don‘t really like it on the left, because it’s really hard to move, while i press the mute button.

and there‘s no mic toggle option in the audio options. For example, i just want to press the mic button once and it stays unmuted. is there a way that i can activate that?

[vale edge]

Need headphones iirc. To prevent hot mic.

[mint schooner]

if u play with ur phone upright it kinda helps even then it's still hard to move and talk
The only downside is your field of view is smaller

[soft tangle]

It's uncomfortable to play vertical view when I tried it first time before. Horizontal is the best one!

[mint schooner]

I only play on vertical 😭

The only time I go horizontal is if I need the camera

[open ravine]

is there a channel for ios beta or its here too since the shaders seem the same...?

[naive bluff]

#ios-discussion

[visual moss]

I found you!

I just went to Furrality and noticed you, and remembered that I saw you here in the discussion 😅

[hollow rapids]

Oh nice and yeah, I was seeing how my potato pc performs in there with my novabeast and see how good my audiolink shoes are, I can only survive if I have avatar culling on 0 where everyone's a diamond. As soon as I started showing a few people, it just overworked it cause it's trying to download everyone in my distance. So I'm better off just staying there on my phone.

[soft tangle]

Furality officially has opened their registration! Does some of you will go this convention soon? 👀🦊

[mint schooner]

I wish I could go but I'm not getting my laptop until September so I have to wait until next year 😔

[soft tangle]

You still could to attended Furality this year via Mobile platform actually. If I were you, I won't waste my time waiting for that computer just to enjoyed better experience at Furality honestly.

Experience with random people and discover new thing is more important for me (personally) despite I don't have Computer or any VR setups like everyone to enjoyed it.

[mint schooner]

That's the thing I physically cannot attend this year
When I did the mini events I could do it for about 2 minutes before my whole phone crashed

[wet sorrel]

I will be in pcvr, with some fbt during the event.

I do make my avis quest and now ios compatible. Used Standard Lit for the badge for the name to show up. Hopefully Toon Standard shows up soon.

[frosty kayak]

is it still required to have vrc+ to use the android app?

[native igloo]

no

[lilac delta]

You need vrc-

[wet sorrel]

And you don't need vrc+ to use the selfie expression on mobile

[frosty kayak]

really?

that’s cool

[wet sorrel]

Only pc desktop requires vrc+ for selfie expression

[soft tangle]

Finally, took over a week lol. Anyway do you know where to find avatar ID? I didn't found it yet

[native igloo]

this is for avatar yourself or someone?

[soft tangle]

I don't have personal avatar yet but this is the part I'm also not understand. I'm mostly use public avatar in the game

[naive bluff]

He's asking about the avatar in question, is it one you're having trouble with or someone else?

StormRei needs the avatar ID to reproduce the issue.

[native igloo]

If you are currently wearing, login on vrchat website, go to avatar tab, click on avatar, copy and paste URL as reply

[wet sorrel]

New update still missing fly button on camera, and drone not available. Been over a month since report.

[mint schooner]

At this point I've lost hope

Can anyone tell me what these mean or what they're for I tried taking a picture but the picture turned black

The picture was supposed to be my avatar sitting in the furry hideout under the tree

[soft tangle]

Well just like I said before, just keep playing old version till devs announced Old Version no longer playable 😌

[soft tangle]

Yeah, this is what I don't like it. Already made a bug report, yet still no fix for little thing lmao. Now we have to face no Flying camera entire update build 16xx till they fix it! 🤦🏻‍♂️👎🏼

[soft tangle]

Did they just add Focus feature in new update? 👀

[mint schooner]

Yes but it doesn't work

That's the black picture for reference before using focus and after using focus

[soft tangle]

That's sick feature tbh but they shipped broken things lol 😂

They've fix and improve a lot of things in PC platform but not quite much on Android platform, like less priority for them

[mint schooner]

Yea sadly
And everyone says it's because there's not a lot of Android players or because it's on beta but I feel like Android should have as much priority as quest and PC

[wet sorrel]

I like using Android mobile while away from home, so along with iOs will need some fixes. Mic issues are usually on my end.

Regular and Auto Focus pics

Still having the face mirror not disappearing

Maybe too many bugs atm

[mint schooner]

Here's what you do

[mint schooner]

And that was happening to me I think they released the focus too early and didn't test it properly

[wet sorrel]

So the focus is new on mobile?

[mint schooner]

Yea it's part of the new update was playing yesterday and didn't have it logged on today and suddenly the focus was there

[knotty wind]

just priorities are different than we would like... they were likely prioritizing the language options, so with those now out of the way they can hopefully do more bug fixing 🤔 🤞

[knotty wind]

auto focus just turns pitch black? 😕
got a bug report for this that we can up-vote? link it? 🥺

[knotty wind]

nice video 👍
definitely add that to the bug report, should make it easier for VRChat to fix the issue if they can see this 🙂

[mint schooner]

Dean two I've asked you SO many times to stop telling/asking me to make bug reports
I've said that if people wanna make em with my evidence IDC I don't like making tickets and stuff I didn't come into the vrchat community to make bug reports I came into the community to hang out with people and chat

I don't understand why you minimod so hard

[hollow rapids]

they're also annoying putting emojis in their text every single message

but anyways lets see how many bugs I come across now with vrchat android being the equivalnet to pokemon scarlet/violet if not more broken

[lavish tangle]

is there a way i can get the apk to try it on a chomebook i have that is decent spec

[mint schooner]

EXACTLY he's so bot like even his name reeks of bot
When I first joined no shit thought he was a bot

[naive bluff]

👀 No. Chromebook is not supported.

[lavish tangle]

Why not give it a shot lol just glorified android tbh

[naive bluff]

No, it's not?

It's a completely browser-only OS.

Okay, I just looked it up. Some Android apps can run... but if it's not available to you in the Play Store, then you likely do not meet the requirements.

Sideloading the app might introduce problems.

[mint schooner]

Wouldn't it be on steam then or is steam not available on Chromebooks

I haven't used one since middle school

[naive bluff]

Uhhh... sorry, what?

No. XD

The Steam app is available on Android but you cannot install games from it.

[lavish tangle]

The one I have has a 10th gen i3

[mint schooner]

I didn't know, also I haven't used a Chromebook since middle school I remember people saying that they were able to download steam on it that's why I asked

[naive bluff]

I've never used a Chromebook ever.

[mint schooner]

They forced us to use em in school they break so quickly and are literally the worst options for a laptop

[hollow rapids]

vrchat disabled very poor avatars on android again, I'm fucking done with this shit.

I don't want to hear it "it's for performance" I don't care. I'm pissed off about this.

[wet sorrel]

What is your RAM?

I see a new update

[mint schooner]

"oh it's because you're in beta and it's still new" no it's because they don't gaf about us
I'm so fucking done with vrchat mobile Istg

It was never ready to be released

[wet sorrel]

Update works for me with very poor avatar.

I have 8 GB ram

[hollow rapids]

I also notice it shows fallbacks cause of medium rank or something that's a new low. I checked my settings and it's not even set to medium.

[wet sorrel]

Ah. Friends avis

[mint schooner]

I have to always turn my friends avatars on it's so annoying because they all say they never have to do it for me and that I'm always on

[wet sorrel]

It is only for both android and ios mobile.

Quest doesn't all the time

[hollow rapids]

I have 6, it's a samsung galaxy s10e, but so fucking what, vrchat?! it never caused my problems, and I had to show them anyways, godamnit

I try to show them, it just goes right back to "avatar will follow safety settings"

[wet sorrel]

I'm glad it's there for very poors so a crasher doesn't come in an ends my game.

[mint schooner]

I have 8 and it does the exact same thing for me

My boyfriend has 9 and it does the same thing as well

[hollow rapids]

that's all we fucking needed, not for them to shove it up our asses

[wet sorrel]

Every time you switch worlds, and when changing from poor to very poor it changes to saftey settings.

[hollow rapids]

I know that

[wet sorrel]

If it was up to the optimizers, we wouldn't be able to use very poors.

[hollow rapids]

this genuinely devastates me, I'm serious cause now this won't be fun anymore

vrchat is the only fucking place I can enjoy my novabeast ass and others with beutiful avatars

[mint schooner]

I will say double tap or spam the eye button and it fixes it until u swap worlds

[wet sorrel]

For non friends it is tap two to three times.

[mint schooner]

No I have to two tap on my boyfriend it's just vrchat

It's some bug or glitch

[wet sorrel]

Ah

[mint schooner]

The games just shit at this point Im definitely immediately uninstalling when I get my damn computer cus mobile ain't worth a single shit

Hell it's gotten so bad once I crashed trying to change avatars and had to have a friend log in for me to swap my fucking avatar

[wet sorrel]

Mobile is good for when you want to talk to someone. The max I be online is 1 hour.

[mint schooner]

Mine lasts 30 minutes max people I can take is 20

[wet sorrel]

PC is worth it. Mobile is good for away from home.

I'll be on mobile and Quest while my PC is waiting for repair.

[hollow rapids]

I didn't know that works I'll have to try it

[hollow rapids]

the only reason I use this on my phone as I said it's cause it's literally better than my potato pc in specs. once I can afford a better pc at least that's a decent upgrade from mine, I'll stop using it on my phone

[mint schooner]

It was fun like 4 months ago and now it's not even worth installing 😭

[knotty wind]

isn't that just the "block poorly optimized avatars" option in avatar settings? check that first 🤔

[soft tangle]

Somehow my device could handle like 2 hours or more during Furality Umbra event with 100 people max including particle effects and light show until battery has running low.

That's one of crazy stress test performance that I never had done before!

[soft tangle]

You should be grateful for able to use it while still can because mine still unable to use any Very Poor avatars since February update unlike you guys. My problem still not fixed in latest update despite bug report already being made… 😑

[soft tangle]

And now I can't enjoyed Very Poor avatar from my Vivo anymore. Game crashes many times before loading world happens due unoptimized game performance in each update release.

[hollow rapids]

Literally my phone at its specs can handle it too. It crashed 1 time, but that's it. It's literally not that bad.

[hollow rapids]

If they end up going back on their decision after making the announcement on February that wouldn't look good for them if they don't make another announcement saying "hey guys we decided to go back to not allowing you to view very poor avis on your phone cause we care about performance and want to force it on all of you, sorry"

So instead they sneakily hid it by making you tap twice to show a friends very poor avi and 5 times to show a non friends very poor.

[mint schooner]

Fr shits so annoying because then people like you don't know how to show the Avis until someone says something

[soft tangle]

I don't think they will going back to old ways. If they do, majority Android user already complaint and mad by now.

And the good thing is, people have problem like me starts to show up now (bug report made before new update). No ETA when they will solve this problem

[wet sorrel]

@soft tangle I hope the flying camera comes back soon. Maybe your avi might work by then.

@barren imp If Trump agrees to put his likeness in Fortnite, then sure. But even Nintendo called out no content for political purposes in Animal Crossing.

[soft tangle]

About flying camera, I don't see people report about it in forum. Did I missed something?

[wet sorrel]

I reported it in the feedback, and it got acknowledge, and will be updated in a future update. Just not updated currently.

[mint schooner]

My question is why add the focus but don't add the fly button back

Makes no sense

[soft tangle]

Not just Focus added, they also accidentally bring Stream quality options for video recording but no Stream mode available lol 📹👀

Also, I did try out Focus feature and the camera freezes when enabled. This video will explain more…

[mint schooner]

That's what happens you take a picture

[soft tangle]

Yeah, same as mine here. Totally broken feature

[knotty wind]

i double they would just go back on it without saying anything... but it is weird that it doesn't work for some 😕
either it is checking hardware specs and adjusting the limits on the fly, which could be true... but then the UI interface is royally failing to communicate that reason to the player 😓
so it is either a bug, or really bad UI error messages... just got to wait for the devs to look at the bug reports 😐

[wet sorrel]

@soft tangle Samsung just did an update where I went from UI 6.1 to 7.0, and Android OS 14 to 15.

[soft tangle]

Nice!

[fervent hull]

So dose anyone know how to see the 4 very poor avatars I've been trying and I cant

[naive bluff]

It's still in A/B phase.

[fervent hull]

Aw man

[soft tangle]

Then, why devs announced Very Poor available for everyone now back in February? Their test already done except iOS platform

[naive bluff]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Differn't strokes for differn't folks.

[knotty wind]

literally all we know on the topic: #android-announcements message

[fallen perch]

For some reason, I can’t play? It says it’s only for android?..

[naive bluff]

What platform are you trying to play on?

[knotty wind]

what platform/device are you trying to install the app on? 😕

[visual moss]

My phone has 120 hz, after the update I noticed that vrchat mobile automatically reduces my fps to 60, then returns to 120 fps, although the settings are maximum. I heard that this may depend on the refresh rate of the screen, but I do not quite understand this ... What does this mean?

[wet sorrel]

60 hz was set cause ios version drained the batteries quickly at 120hz and was applied to the android version.

[mint schooner]

I haven't touched Vrchat since the update because my phone will be on 100 and within 10 minutes it's at 40

IDK why the updates are such shit I thought updates are supposed to be good and help the game improve 😭

[naive bluff]

👀 I don't think it's the update that's the problem...

[mint schooner]

Well I know it isn't my phone 😭

I'm thinking it's just vrchat

[naive bluff]

That's gaming on mobiles in general.

[mint schooner]

I mean I play genshin on mobile and it doesn't drain it even nearly as bad

[wet sorrel]

I have been playing Pokémon Go since 2016, and battery usage was always an issue. Invest in a power bank.

[mint schooner]

I play Pokemon go as well and again it doesn't drain at all maybe 20% gets drained after an hour but that's it

It's just vrchat my phone is made for gaming so I know it handles battery drain well but VRchat is a different story

[soft tangle]

That's really pathetic for iOS lmao. They fu up Android performance because of their problem! I wish devs never bring VRC mobile to iOS platform 🤦🏻‍♂️

[wet sorrel]

Cause of other games with power demand, fps uses more power. Quest 3 I could turn off 120hz refresh rate and got more playtime, but that gotten taken away by meta.

[mint schooner]

iOS is shit in general 😭

[naive bluff]

Spoiler alert!

[mint schooner]

He probably meant brought

[fallen perch]

Apple..

I can download it and everything but I can’t play it

Bc it says it’s for androids

[knotty wind]

this is the Android app channel, the Android app won't work on an iPhone... 😐
the iOS app is in closed beta, you can read about it here: #ios-info and #ios-discussion

[fallen perch]

Bro. I was told to go into this channel so don’t be a bitch,

[knotty wind]

not sure who told you that, but i wasn't trying to be rude 😕
i don't understand what you are doing then... if you have an iPhone with iOS, then you can't use the Android app 😓

[naive bluff]

I think I was the one to suggest it as they were asking in #open-beta-discussion but only mentioned "mobile" which automatically translates to Android.

[rancid light]

Bro, whoever called him a **** you’re a **** for calling him a **** he did nothing

[naive bluff]

.......What?

[lilac delta]

i'm confused

[naive bluff]

Me too.

[knotty wind]

are you just spamming? could you please stop? or at least keep it in #vrchat-general-1?

[naive bluff]

Camcam, use your woooooords.

[lilac delta]

[soft tangle]

WTF moment when I just found that I can use Very Poor avatars in Redmi K30…

It's my brother phone anyway. My S22 Ultra can't use this shit which very disappointing 👎🏼

[wet sorrel]

Did your phone get the Android 15 update? @soft tangle

[soft tangle]

I haven't check yet

[soft tangle]

No update available so far

[wet sorrel]

Hopefully soon

[lilac delta]

meanwhile i'm on Android 16 Beta 4 xD

[knotty wind]

i found this weird issue with blocked users today 🤔
https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta/p/can-tap-blocked-users
i have to test it more, but tossed up a bug report if anyone wants to try and reproduce it 😅

i assume the issue might be that VRChat just shrinks a blocked player into a tiny 0-sized speck, which you normally can't reasonably select with a cursor... but on a touchscreen, your finger tap is basically a shotgun blast hitting everything in that general area 🤔

[lilac delta]

interesting

[mint schooner]

So first time this has happened was sitting in prismics and my ping went to 300
I've never had my ping go that high in any game let alone prismics 😭

[wet sorrel]

Easy to get that high when network is lagging.

I have tested this game while on break at work near big event areas.

[mint schooner]

Network as in VRchat or wifi? because I go off data and my data runs perfectly
I'm thinking it was vrchat it's been super buggy lately 😔

[wet sorrel]

network data

[mint schooner]

Yea no my networks fine like I said im pretty sure it's vrchat I even told Coyote (boyfriend) and he said our networks fine 🤷🏻‍♀️

[vale edge]

S22 is being rolled out currently with many already gotten it. How quick you get it depends on your carrier itself, and if you're unlocked or locked. Some carriers are slower than others. But the update has already been pushed to carriers so indeed soon.

Thankfully my s24U got it a while ago. Not really anything to be excited about tho tbh unless you really like bigger number being bigger, I wouldn't worry about having it or not, if anything you'll just have worse battery life anywho. Having used it for a while I can't even think of a single thing new I care about beyond the charging animation being updated..

[knotty wind]

i mean, how did you test your network to come to the conclusion that your network is fine? 😕
it might just have been because some device on your network was downloading a big update or something, maybe the wind was just blowing just right and causing signal interference, or maybe some ISP engineering tripped over a cable somewhere, there could probably be a million different reasons for your ping to become 300 for a moment 🤷
but it is hard to say, since you didn't say if that 300 ping was constant or just for one second... ping is literally just the number of milliseconds it takes for a network messages to go back and forth between you and VRChat's servers, and many things can affect that 😅

[wet sorrel]

@vale edge @soft tangle Is the person with the S22, so that might help his situation with the avatars.

[mint schooner]

It's just got better memory and graphics that's about it 🤷🏻‍♀️

[mint meteor]

Is it safe to download VRChat from an XAPK?

[naive bluff]

👀 Generally, you should only download apps from the Play Store.

[vale edge]

Just do as you please. Everyone here will just give you shit for it. There are multiple sites that archive APKs that have no issues at all, if you're worried you can verify the signature. Can also use something like Aurora store and manually download any version. Multiple people here have installed vrchat onto unsupported phones, including myself. Course everything carries risk, just don't install random apks DMd to you, or shit from no name foreign language sites and verify signature if you're really worried.

[knotty wind]

no one here can say it is safe... and i would definitely recommend you don't 😐
why would you even want to do that?? 😟

[mint schooner]

I mean you do you

[mint schooner]

People here give you shit for saying literally anything they don't agree with tbh

[vale edge]

Yep.

[mint schooner]

Tbh I've never come across so many toxic people in one server before
It's kinda sad..

[vale edge]

Why? So you can install it on unsupported devices. There are plenty of ways to get a perfectly safe APK with zero issues and you can just verify the signature yourself if you're worried. But if you're afraid of things you don't understand, then sure, avoid it, probably best for u.

For me? I'll just continue to do what I've done since the begining of Android and even back with the iPhone 3G & 3GS. Heck one of my phones doesn't even have the play store installed on it lmao.

[vale edge]

Sometimes it can be. Been like that with many things here lmao. I remember how users would literally mock anyone asking about very poor avatars on mobile. People said it would never happen, your phone would explode or overheat, call people names for wanting it. Said vrchat will NEVER add it back. Users telling people to "accept it" "get over it" "it's never coming back" literally just weeks before it was added.

Many years ago I was mocked for saying vrchat would add a digital currency system into the game too. Here we are.

People were mocked for saying vrchat would add something like EAC long before EAC was added.

But turns out people can be very vocally wrong about some things. Just how it be.

[mint schooner]

Fr they act so confident that they are right because they've been in the community for 6-7+ years 😭

[vale edge]

It's because I've been here for some 8 years that I have learned to just ignore people and do my own thing. Life goes on.

Course I'm not saying anyone should even listen to me. If anything people should do their own research and make their own mind up about things. Autonomy of thought is important in a world where everyone expects to be spoonfed.

[mint schooner]

Yeah I've gotten to the point where I just block people and dgaf anymore

[naive bluff]

Sadly, common sense ain't so common anymore...

[vale edge]

Lmfao

It's okay man, it's natural for people to be afraid of things they don't understand. Not like you haven't been super vocally wrong here in the past about shit anyways. You do you.

[naive bluff]

I'll admit where I made incorrect assumptions, no problem.

[vale edge]

[naive bluff]

But to be considered "toxic" is... a bit of a misnomer.

And slightly insulting.

Ignorant, sure. But toxic?

[vale edge]

Some of the ways you talked to people regarding very poor was def toxic in the past. But, that's the past so whatevz

[naive bluff]

Fair.

[mint schooner]

You've been toxic with me before so yes I'm using toxic

[naive bluff]

I have?

[vale edge]

No need to reduce this further but I'll let y'all yap tho I don't see this moving in a productive direction. I've said my two bits Anywho. Cheers

[mint schooner]

Nah I'm not tryna start anything I just wanted to say that multiple people have been toxic with me
Like you said it's in the past

[lilac delta]

like me i suppose lol

[somber talon]

I suggest grape juice I heard it was great for detox.

[mint schooner]

Again like I said I'm not tryna start shit I was just having a conversation 😮‍💨

[vale edge]

Are u a grape juice or a grape soda kinda Annie?

[somber talon]

I unno I like both.

[vale edge]

all the grape

[naive bluff]

I'm an orange soda type of person.

[wet sorrel]

I knew I was being demanding about the very poor avis, but also knew the app is still in a beta. Things do change, but most of the time for the better for the community. But for the better for the company. The devs have provided more interaction with stream, and discussions in feedback.

[knotty wind]

something just tells me that they don't know how to verify a signature, especially since they felt the need to ask here... so i just think it is better to discourage the behavior 🤷
but even so, the app won't run well on devices with less than recommended specs, so aside from fun side testing of unsupported devices, it just seems silly to me 😅

[knotty wind]

i mainly wish it would never have happened, because it would encourage avatar creators to at least do minimal optimization... currently there simply is nothing to encourage avatar creators to make optimized avatars, aside from a performance rank that very very few seems to even care about 😞
but my issue there is with avatar creators, and a bit with the VRChat player base as a whole not caring, not the Android users specifically... and i think i always made that clear 😐
and to be fair, everyone saying that there wouldn't be unlimited open access to Very Poor avatars are still right, VRChat just made a limited compromise 🤔

[soft tangle]

I had no idea why people want Very Poor avatars in mobile so bad back then when I started playing VRC for the first time, but I understand a bit when I can't use almost all avatars in the game due performance rating which is suck. Now, it's great to know that they heard the feedback and improved!

[knotty wind]

yeah, the whole "you can show X number of very poor avatars" is a great compromise 👍
i do however think that the UI needs work though, it isn't exactly clear to the user how this limit works, unless they read about it elsewhere first 😓

[hollow rapids]

as long as they just don't revoke the ability to use and see very poor avatars on android I don't have a problem. cause life was hell on there before, and yall gotta realize some things just can't be optimized enough or will look too shitty if you stay within the performance ratings, cause quite clearly a phone like mine doesn't really have a problem with showing a few of the most very poor you can get on quest barely under the 10mb limit, it all depends on what world you're in and and keeping avatar culling on and knowing who you're showing. I got to see lots of pretty cool avatars as a result.

the only reason I optimized my novabeast including the stuff I had on it into a poor rating was so at least people showing poor on quest don't need to show me and in case any bullshit happens, I'll still be able to use my avatar on my device

and of course the times I'm in a full 80 user instance like furality, the avatar isn't that much of a stress. but that's only during those times, cause that doesn't happen often.

[visual moss]

Can you please tell how bad mobile vrchat was at the start and what improvements have been made since 2023? Besides adding very poor avatars

[fiery zodiac]

doesn't downgrading VRRChat give you a update required error

[wet sorrel]

The quest lag has stabilized which has increased the performance for mobile and standalone

[little hollow]

cant you have very poor avatars on android mobile now?

I thought you could wear them yourself at least

[soft tangle]

You can use Very Poor avatars already, up to 4 cap including yourself

[little hollow]

Im in a world by myself and I cant at all lol

[soft tangle]

I see, similar problem like mine here #android-discussion message
I already did make a report about this

[vernal iron]

Who can I report a scam to ?

Please this is so urgent and very risk to.keep it to myself

[knotty wind]

just gonna leave this here...
#ios-discussion message

We're tracking this one! This looks like a problem with that button on iOS and Android
iOS is currently set up to have Very Poor support identical with Android (limit of 4), so any difference in behavior is definitely a bug
dev acknowledging a bug with showing very poor avatars...

[knotty wind]

why are you asking in this channel? 😕
is this a scam specific on Android mobile? is it in-game or on Discord?

[vernal iron]

This scam will send link to you, and if you click it your Discord will be hacked

[knotty wind]

then go make a support ticket in #discord-tickets, add pictures of proof... then the Discord moderators will remove them from the server... 😅
additionally, remember to right-click the message with the link in it and report it to Discord too

[vernal iron]

Alright

[novel grotto]

Is vrchat on mobile now?

[lilac delta]

for a while now lol

[novel grotto]

Dang how do I get it?

[lilac delta]

on android: make sure you have android 10 or later installed and atleast have a phone/tablet with 6gb of ram, then go to playstore and download ^w^

on iphone: live (optional) cause the waiting list is long, if you care then go to #ios-discussion and check the pins for instructions on how to get on the waiting list

[knotty wind]

#android-announcements message

[novel grotto]

Ok

I am on iPhone

[knotty wind]

the iOS app is in closed beta, so you likely can't get that at the moment...
you can read more here: #ios-info
and here: #ios-discussion message

[wet sorrel]

@ivory quest Will have to learn some people aren't worth being friends with.

[knotty wind]

if they have you blocked, then pinging them won't get their attention... you don't get notifications from people you have blocked, that is the point of blocking someone 😐
you are acting like a creepy stalker... and spamming random channels in the process, just stop it... thanks 😞
if your little personal drama is that important, ask a friend to private message them instead... but i am sure they blocked you for a reason, so them telling your friend might just get things worse for you 🤷

[lilac delta]

oh message gone? lol

[ivory quest]

Yeah one of you kicked me for no reason

[lilac delta]

me? i'm not a mod

[ivory quest]

So someone here likes fake people

[ivory quest]

): i was kicked just now..

I came back tho because I did NOTHING bad at all

[lilac delta]

awww i'm sorry :c don't know what happened but only purple and yellow members can do kicking

[ivory quest]

I think that dean dude is a mod and kicked me
I'm not even stalking he don't know the full story

All I did was ping my friend to get her attention):

[lilac delta]

it's not the right channel or place to do that tho this is the android mobile channel

[ivory quest]

But we are allowed to say whatever we want
Literally Anything

[lilac delta]

not really?

or else mods and admins don't have work xD

[ivory quest]

I'll stop talking to u I guess
No help 😔

I'll cancel the friend request ^^

[lilac delta]

whut?.

[ivory quest]

😔😔😔 sorry lemon

[olive citrus]

Weird question, could it be possible to do what Virtual Droid, and Cluster does to allow VRoid models on mobile? Both of these platforms support .VRM format models. There's something that those platforms do differently. I don't know what it is, but this could make avatar creation for mobile platforms miles easier. I've used FBX converted VRoid models for the past few years now (currently waiting on a bug fix in the SDK to continue work, excited to build this one because it opens the door for so many cool ideas. PSO2 RP will take off with this.), and when I found Cluster, I was shocked. It ran on my old iPhone (not well) and used VRoid models.

[knotty wind]

i don't exactly see what this has to do with the Android mobile app, it seems more related to avatar creation 🤷
but if you want to make a feature request, you can do so here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/

[olive citrus]

VRoid models don't work on Mobile. It creates black boxes around the eyebrows, eyes, eyelashes, etc. Thus, it looks bad, and you might as well not use it

[pearl mulch]

yeah they require manual lending in blender to look decent so not really suitable for a direct to VRchat pipeline

[pallid jay]

dean isn't a chat mod.. there are no "undercover mods"

[soft tangle]

He's not Discord mod, but pretend to be mod lmao 😂

[soft tangle]

Despite I have plenty VRoid avatars, it can't beat VRChat avatars which so many customization you can do like change texture colors, change body type (fat or muscle), change gender in one avatar etc

Plus, you can't bypass Triangles limit if your avatar are too details unlike VRC

[olive citrus]

Yes, but making a quest version of 90% of my avatars had proven to be impossible due to lack of support for transparency. I need cutouts for the eyebrows, eyelashes, and eyes. I'd rely on just the impostor, but that doesn't give an accurate depiction of a good chunk of my avatars, breaks skirts, breaks body proportions, and much more. Relying on a system meant for far distance objects in open world games to "fake" a VRChat avatar is a novel idea on paper, but quickly shows its flaws. I've had to outright disable impostors (COUNTLESS TIMES) on some of my avatars because the skirts are so broken that it outright makes some avatars unusable around Quest users. I keep getting complaints that my avatar's skirt is broken.

My thought process is if Virtual Droid and Cluster have found a way to do it, perhaps there's a better way to implement such shaders. Right now, I have to constantly go back to the website just to stop my avatars from being seen as broken on Quest. I'd like my fallback to take priority over the impostor of the avatar I'm currently using, and I'd like VRChat's systems to stop auto-generating impostors when it clearly isn't meant for characters.

I believe I should I guess specify what I mean. When making a lower quality LOD for an object like a tree, or a boulder in an open world game is not a viable option, an impostor is used to keep said object visible, while maintaining the appearance, and keeping a stable level of performance. On trees, rocks, decorative geometry, etc from really far away, impostors look pretty good. When you get up close, the cracks in the facade begin to form. (VRChat's avatar impostor problem). Most games don't use impostors for character models. You wouldn't see one particular person from miles away, so 9/10 times they instead get culled, and simulation stops.

TL:DR, Impostors are meant for static objects. They can't mimic the complex geometry/animations of a 3D humanoid, or NPC model perfectly.

[naive bluff]

Limitation breeds creativity.

Are people REALLY going to be noticing tiny imperfections like that?

[lilac delta]

https://tenor.com/view/ocd-monk-tony-shalhoub-shalhoub-tony-gif-6117572

[hollow rapids]

I hate how unstable vrchat is on android. I can't even attend the furality event currently going on on here, the world just crashes the app.

And literally quest users can still join. So I have to use my potato pc which can barely make it if I turn off absolutely everything taking down performance, then unmute everyone and maybe nameplates while everyone is a diamond

[wet sorrel]

I have avatar culling on for mobile

But I don't spend hours on mobile

[hollow rapids]

I know that, what I'm saying is vrchat runs much better on my phone cause it's using a lighter version of it ontop of having better specs than my laptop

And it has to be buggy as hell

[knotty wind]

the lack of transparency is an issue not specific to Android phones, it is an issue with Android hardware (and thereby also Quest, and i guess iOS)... 😓
there are workarounds for transparency... but it would likely require use of Blender or merged/baked textures... so again, probably a topic better suited for #avatar-quest 🤷
or make a feature request, as i mentioned previously

[olive citrus]

VRoid without transparency has MASSIVE black boxes around the eyebrows, eyelashes, and irises. If you mean the skirt breaking with impostors, it's so bad that it shows the VRoid underwear texture underneath. It's THAT bad. I get that it's covered, but I still get complaints constantly whenever I try to use an avatar that wears a skirt. I can't use those avatars if they have impostors generated. At this point, I'd much rather go back to the old "robot with picture" design because at least then I didn't have a bad looking fake avatar that unintentionally flashbangs everyone. I'd really rather just use a fallback, or picture bot. I've tried my hand at making something from scratch in Blender, but the best I could do was a Sega Model 1 quality model. Virtua Fighter 1 quality. Granted that's primarily due to mental problems making model building a pain to do, since my depression gets in the way of it.

At this point, are we really positive mobile devices are ready for something like VRChat? You've got people crashing left and right, framerates as low as 16 on high end machines if the world is Udon heavy, and mobile VRChat might as well have the quality of a Sega 32x game with how many problems it has. This really isn't making anything easier.

[olive citrus]

Me, and a few others have made feature requests in the past, only to get laughed at by the team in charge of their canny, saying it will never happen. I'm tempted to instead suggest a built in low poly avatar creator within VRChat so even people with no knowledge of Unity can make an avatar. VRChat avatar creation for Quest and Mobile has been a pain to do because of all the roadblocks, and extra hoops you have to jump through just to upload for the pitiful hardware of those machines. It's far easier to just make a PC avatar, and hope the impostor comes out alright, because if it doesn't, you get bad results like broken skirts, or clipping clothes. Geometry stretching I can excuse, but not VRoid skirt cutting.

[knotty wind]

well, complaining on here, instead of making a feature request, will actually have less of a chance to get anything done... even more so when the topic isn't even appreciate for the channel 😞

so far the only complaint you have mentioned is the lack of transparency... you can make avatars without transparency 😕
making Quest/Android compatible avatars isn't hard, unless you are already making a crazy unoptimized PC avatar and just assuming that it will magically work for Quest/Android too 🙄

[muted harness]

when I try to enter a world it crashes and closes the application.

[naive bluff]

What phone do you got?

[muted harness]

motorola

[naive bluff]

Motorola... what?

[muted harness]

like this

[naive bluff]

... Does it have a name?

Is this the, um... Moto Play, Moto View, Moto Power?

[muted harness]

moto g(60)

[naive bluff]

This is why.

[muted harness]

before I could enter worlds and it didn't crash, until now.

[hollow rapids]

I have been having the same problem specifically with furality's current world, but most of them don't I believe

[muted harness]

Yesterday I could enter the avatar world without any problem, today I tried to enter the same world and the app crashed.

[naive bluff]

Did you happen to change your avatar prior to this happening?

[muted harness]

Nope

[olive citrus]

I’m trying to point out
out that making quest avatars shouldn’t be this convoluted, and difficult. Again, I’d make a feature request, but I’ve had 0 luck on the matter as again, every single time someone makes requests to make the process easier, they get laughed at, and told to butcher their already low poly, low quality model. I have also made a point about the imposters being downright bad, and creating more problems than they solve. I made 2 fallback compatible avatars that NEVER get seen due to the imposter being used instead. Again, the imposter breaks skirts, and unintentionally makes an avatar too lewd. I’ve deleted the imposter countless times only to have it be re-generated again with the same problems. VRoid is all I really know how to use. I’ve tried using blender to optimize avatars for Quest, but it doesn’t work. I’d need to manually cut out the textures, and even then, it would create a ton of polygons, making it impossible to use on mobile/quest. The reason I’m bringing it up here is because my voice, and many other’s voices have been silenced on the Canny regarding the matter. I have done everything I possibly can, only to be laughed at, called an idiot, ignored, and not taken seriously. This is a very real problem that the Quest has, as It’s such a limited platform that I’m shocked it’s even an option to this day. I know VRChat has a contract with Meta, but this is ridiculous. You can’t expect to have such a limited platform, and NOT expect people to want more out of it. I’ve had people tell me the only reason they still play the Quest version is because they outright can’t afford a PC, and they hate the quest version. The only two Quest avatars I’ve made that looked good were Quote and Curly Brace from Cave Story, and I still can’t figure out the wizardry behind how they’re so low poly. That’s my time on the soapbox, but really, there has to be some kind of better way to do this. This is ridiculous.😞

[naive bluff]

Holy shit, you a writer or something?

[olive citrus]

I graduated high school with an A+ in English. It never really got me anything, but I can do that, I guess.

[naive bluff]

It definitely shows.

[olive citrus]

School honestly needs a rework, ngl. 12 years wasn’t enough for me, couldn’t get into college, and never got a job out of it. It’s easily the biggest waste of government resources in America right now due to how ineffective it is at actually teaching students important skills they’ll need in life. I haven’t used trigonometry, I use geometry MAYBE when attempting to make a model from scratch, or messing around with ProBuilder, and everything else I pretty much completely forgot due to never needing it.

Enough of that, though. That’s not for here.

[naive bluff]

As a point towards your argument.... there is a reason transparency isn't allowed on mobile.

It's because of how it's rendered that can cause a lot of problems.

Sai, VRChat's main graphics artist, came out and basically gave a legitimate reason why this isn't so. Let me see if I can find it.

[naive bluff]

#vrchat-general-1 message Here.

TL;DR, transparency is difficult to render on mobile hardware so they can't allow it at this time.

[hollow rapids]

It really isn't, vrchat just does whatever they can to come up with a good excuse why they limit the quest version so much when it's not even that big as they're making it to be

[naive bluff]

👀 How do you know?

[hollow rapids]

No wonder I hear people complain so much when I'm on there in publics

[naive bluff]

What're your credentials?

[hollow rapids]

I mean I have a Samsung galaxy s10e, and with that phone, before this change, my fps wasn't decreased a lot just from viewing a few very poor or whatever avis had transparency on them before the change.

[naive bluff]

#vrchat-general-1 message 👀

[hollow rapids]

Ok that's understandable now that I see it but still, that device is nearly abandoned from what I've been seeing, it's literally no longer gonna be able to work by 2028 apparently. Most people have a quest 3 now

[naive bluff]

Well, once it reaches EOL, the Q3(S) is going to be the baseline.

[knotty wind]

i literally said that complaining here was pointless, and #avatar-quest would be a more appropriate place for your rant... why did i get an essay in reply? 😕
or you can format your essay a little better and toss it in reply to one of those people that supposedly laughed at you on the Canny... it would maybe actually matter to convince people there 🤔

[olive citrus]

Someone was talking about avatars here. That's why I mentioned it. Now I've pretty much gotten my answer that there will be zero improvements to the creation of Quest avatars, and instead it will be made even harder. I don't even know why I keep trying. At least the bug I reported is being tracked.

[naive bluff]

That seems like a very defeatest way to see it.

[knotty wind]

where have you gotten answers to that? 😕
you walked into a BurgerKing and asked the customers that were there, if the McDonald's menu will change... how can you come to the conclusion that it won't? 😕

[knotty wind]

at least you are having success making bug reports, you should try your hand at feature requests again next... 🙂

[olive citrus]

I've just learned when to give up. Everything over the past 3 years has gone down hill, and I'm prepared for everything to be completely unusable. At least then I'll know people will be desperate for alternatives, and the cycle will continue. We'll have good games, programs, chat apps, maybe even food for like 20 years, it'll all go bad, and get replaced again by better stuff.

[pearl mulch]

Quest avatars are getting a new Shader at the moment so no improvement is a false statement

[olive citrus]

This is new to me. What will this shader do?

[pearl mulch]

#open-beta-announcements message

https://fixupx.com/HolmesDrunklock/status/1921779933400981777

DrunklockHolmes (@HolmesDrunklock)

The new vrchat Toon Standard is a pretty freeing shader for Quest native.
︀︀
︀︀These are all taken ON THE QUEST.
︀︀
︀︀Again, features aren't as wild as pc, of course, but it doesn't have to be. What we got is MUCH better than the others (matcap/toon lit) and trumps Standard Lite, for me.

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[naive bluff]

Hooooooly mamas.

That is a pretty shader.

[pearl mulch]

yeah so definitely a huge Improvement for Quest avatars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRazd85RjgA

[pallid jay]

wait is toon standard out???

[pearl mulch]

yes you can use it in the live build

[pallid jay]

oh my god FINALLY i can have emission map and toony shading

[pearl mulch]

and custom Shadow ramp textures so you can tweak the shading to your taste

[pallid jay]

[knotty wind]

in the open beta version of the SDK, yes

[wet sorrel]

Hoping it will be live not in beta before Furality

[soft tangle]

That's really impressive! 😳 Does it applied on avatars too (non outfit)?

Also, I hope that shader are optimized because game performance might gets heavier than before in next update

[knotty wind]

yes? a shader is a way of showing a texture... not only clothing, everything has textures 🤔
at least in my poor understanding of what a shader is 😅

[marsh ledge]

Hi guys

@knotty wind why you so sad?

[knotty wind]

wat 😕

[marsh ledge]

You are using a sad Emoji why

Has something happened

[knotty wind]

it is not sad... look at its name 😖

[marsh ledge]

Oh

Ok the nvm 😓

Dose anyone have a phone avatar but whit a boy

[knotty wind]

i suggest you ask in #1138520828556890214... or just go to any avatar world in-game 😅
the Prismic's Avatar Search world even has a performance rank search filter
here: https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_57514404-7f4e-4aee-a50a-57f55d3084bf

[marsh ledge]

I know but I don't know what to search so can you say a avatar that I can type

[knotty wind]

i uploaded my own fallback compatible avatar, which i have been using almost exclusively for years now, so i don't know anything about public avatars 🤷
hence why i am directing you to somewhere you can either ask and get a better reply, or search for yourself 😅

[marsh ledge]

@knotty wind whana play or nah

?

[marsh ledge]

Like play vrchat you want to?@knotty wind

[soft tangle]

I hate Discord block feature! It didn't fully block people (Dean) message and people who blocked still can see my message and reply. I'm fucking hate this shit! 👎🏼

[knotty wind]

||that is how Discord's block feature has always worked... you can try the "ignore" feature instead, but i don't know how that works 🤷
but also, you don't need to continuously state that you have blocked me... i haven't at any point complained about you doing such 😐
just ignore me if you don't want to engage with me, but this is a public space and we can both be here just fine as long as you don't make a scene out of it 😓||

[soft tangle]

I don't know what you're saying, don't you ever dare reply any my message when I question something! I rather listen other people who knows more about technical stuff than your non sense theory including overuse emoji

[knotty wind]

||ok... sorry for trying to help 🙄
but seriously, just ignore me if you don't like me, you don't need to publicly state that you are unable to do that 😓||

[vale edge]

[lilac delta]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-roll-vtuber-saurawr-shylily-anime-gif-423507846175514443

forget black cat, this and the ios beta channels are my new place for entertainent

[muted harness]

Well, the app still crashes for me when I create a new instance and start the world

[knotty wind]

might want to make a new bug report, if one does not already exist... you make bug reports here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/

[visual moss]

I have the same problem. When I create a private instance through the mobile menu, it crashes. This did not happen before

I can only join public instances, then everything works fine

[muted harness]

same

[visual moss]

And don't say that it's a problem with RAM. My friend has 8 gigs of RAM and the same problem.

[muted harness]

any news if they are going to fix it

?

[knotty wind]

you likely won't get an answer here... but if you made a bug report, the VRChat developers will be able to look into it

[knotty wind]

it is probably a bug... as mentioned above... i forget if you can enable logging on Android mobile, but checking the output log file might help... and then making a bug report 🤔
then post your video, and if able a log file, in a bug report, here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta

[urban wren]

Took me so long to realize tht the dev removed flying button on mobile for drone camera..

that was my fav feature 🥀

[knotty wind]

it is confirmed to be a bug... just waiting for developers to fix it

[urban wren]

Oh damn

[wet sorrel]

It has been confirmed to be fixed in a future release.

[pearl mulch]

probably not as a good chunk of avatars on VRchat are completely not eligible to be on the marketplace in the first place for copyright and performance reasons

[wet sorrel]

Just the marketplace avatars you buy are uploaded to your account and are privated

But you aren't given the source files

[soft tangle]

No one would like to give explanation here? Or you guys doesn't know yet

[wet sorrel]

It will upload the same avatars you buy on Booth, Gumroad, Jinxxy as along as the avatar creator ia on there. Don't know if all are pc/android compatible. But we don't receive the file sources. Sfw ofc

It is up there in #announcements . You can read the text portion for more info.

[soft tangle]

I'm questioning about Toon Shader on avatars, not Avatar Marketplace…

[pearl mulch]

yup

[knotty wind]

https://wiki.vrchat.com/wiki/Shaders

[glossy wadi]

Why the devs never open blocking very poor avatars to none?
Im using a high end tablet for vrc and i dont even meet any "performance" Issue

i maxed out my setting and also 120 fps running and i dont meet any lags or latency issue... Why the devs never open up shows all very poor avatars to high end andriod users?

Its very disappointed when we waiting for no very poor avatar blocking on setting...... Such a high end andriod tablet but still getting restricted and unable to see all very poor avatars

[soft tangle]

I already warning you don't reply my damn message Dean, only you! #android-discussion message

[glossy wadi]

Wanna hear something funny?

they said the avatar market is for helping mobile vrc users

And the point are expensive as hell

I rather use free very poor mobile avatar than paid ones

I rather pay for VRC+ for only able to close blocking very poor models on mobile

Than buying points and buy those avatar shops

[soft tangle]

Avatar Marketplace already a thing now like Cluster and Roblox, VRChat also following the same steps this time

But I'm sure majority won't use much that marketplace when it's released soon

[glossy wadi]

Waiting for paying vrc+ for upload models

[glossy wadi]

Most of the problem... The sale of the models are 55 to creater and platform

I can't wait for aton of reskin models being sell at the marketplace!

Beside that....

Vrc point prices are also a good example that thing is trash

[pearl mulch]

all of the marketplace items have to be manually approved so we're probably not going to get recolor spam

[glossy wadi]

The video shows every model price range are 1k-3k

[glossy wadi]

Good thing tbh

[glossy wadi]

And you need to pay 5 dollar for 600 point

I can't wait to see I need spend more money to just buy a avatar in vrc avatar shops

And 5 dollar in Roblox are enough for me to get a cool avatar

🤷‍♂️

[heady sparrow]

You do know the average price for vrchat bases are 50 to 60 right?

[glossy wadi]

Hell nah,I rather buy those cause I get unity files

[heady sparrow]

Have you not ever looked at gumroad or booth?

[glossy wadi]

RAther than only a skin on avatar shops

[heady sparrow]

You arent the target audience then if you can upload yourself

[glossy wadi]

My own artists upload their models on average 10k japanese yen so it's not a problem for me

And I have the model files rather then only a skin ingamea

[pearl mulch]

the Target demographic for the vrchat Avatar Marketplace are incapable of utilizing the model files

[heady sparrow]

Its also avatar not skin

[glossy wadi]

Probably

But it's quite eazy to learn...

[heady sparrow]

Ah yes easy to learn how to use files without a pc

[glossy wadi]

But it's probably more for non pc user

To buy avatars ingame

That's what I'm thinking about for that

[heady sparrow]

Its just another option not a replacement

[pearl mulch]

most of the quest users are targeting literally don't own a Windows computer

[glossy wadi]

Mhm,I assume they released that for targeting those vr/mobile ONLY users

[pearl mulch]

yeah Tupper basically said if you're capable of uploading avatars you're not the target demo

[glossy wadi]

And again.... Back to topic

When mobile vrc users can close blocking poorly optimisation models????????

[pearl mulch]

unlikely Android will ever be able to disable not having very poor avatars start as blocked

[glossy wadi]

I don't even know why they don't

"performance issue"is not a thing

[pearl mulch]

they don't want to fry people's phones

[glossy wadi]

I can run full 120 fps + maximum effects on vrc without any lags (high end android tablet)

[pearl mulch]

they need to make their decisions for the minimum system requirements they pick so basically your tablet is irrelevant as far as their decision making

[glossy wadi]

why don't just open that option for user to choose to open?

at least give a option to user for closing the blocking poor avatars

[pearl mulch]

because they saw what happened on Quest and didn't like the results of it

like the documentation for Avatar ranking still includes the whole we could throw away very poor avatars all together if they felt like it

[vale edge]

Most people here not too long ago woulda mocked u and said very poor on mobile would never happen at all, so I wouldn't waste much breath arguing here about it. It will achieve nothing for u.

If you want, the vrc feedback site is your only real route to sharing your feedback.

[glossy wadi]

I have done giving a feedback to them

Make them also think about High end andriod device and release more features for us!

[vale edge]

With time. People said very poor would never be added to mobile and it was added regardless. Just be patient and hopeful.

[knotty wind]

yeah, that hasn't been updated in a while... they should probably just change it to say:

Avatars that have a performance rating of "Very Poor" will be hidden from Mobile device users by default and only few can be shown at a time. These limits might be rolled out to Quest someday too.
or something like that... 🤷

[drowsy mantle]

as of today vrchat mobile (android) is not working right now for me or my friend. the app crashes when trying to join any instance.

[knotty wind]

it has been reported by a few, yeah... seemingly only when trying to go to private instances? 😕
as in, i think people reported that public instances work... and i at least haven't had any issue with public instances... let me try 🤔

i seem to instantly get a crash when trying to create a new instance using the app... but i can join other instances just fine think 🤔

[drowsy mantle]

I'll try making my own public and then joining an existing one right now

.
Ok crashed when making my own public

But I was able to join a public others made successfully

[knotty wind]

if i just click "Play" to go to my homeworld, and then make a new instance like normal from within the client, it also works fine... so seems to just be an issue with the launch app thingy

[upper marsh]

im having this issue on pc 💀

[wet sorrel]

I did a test run in group public, and was able to have 4 very poor avatars shown. Just had to tap show avatar 5 times.

Everyone was non friends

[hollow rapids]

if this happens I'm never going to stop complaining

cause that's bullshit, I'm tired of the god damn mentality vrchat takes when it comes to quest and android avatars, I don't care if you're tired of people complaining, that's their own problem and that it's for our own good or whatever. just automatically blocking the avatar unless shown is all we need. we're all getting tired of being so extremely limited on these platforms.

[vale edge]

That warning has been there for many years and they've not done anything regarding it and in fact have added very poor support to mobile rather than remove it outright, course that doesn't mean they won't do something in the future, nobody really knows, but I wouldn't get too worked up over that message. People used to post that message here while claiming very poor will absolutely never be added to mobile, but we all know how accurate that ended up being.

[knotty wind]

#announcements message

Fixes & Changes

• Some Android Mobile specific fixes:
  • Fixed an issue that caused the app to crash when the widget was loaded.
    • Fixed a bug with loading avatars of certain performance ranks.

[hollow rapids]

oh

[hollow topaz]

Hey, I just downloaded the game on my phone at first it worked well, but now my audio doesn't work at all, I cleared data, redowloaded the game and everything but nothing still

[knotty wind]

doesn't work how? just no sound?

[hollow topaz]

It fixed itself now xd

[tardy silo]

guys, I downloaded the game on my phone but why can't I hear other people? I also asked one of the people in a server on how to fix it but it still didn't worked (lowering the shield) pls help

[knotty wind]

are you using a headset or earphones of some kind?
did you turn volume up on the device?
what are your sound volumes set to in-game?

[tardy silo]

I'm not using any earphones or headset, my volume is at max, and my sound volumes in game are set to max

[knotty wind]

have any earphones or headset you can test with?

do other parts of the game make sound? such as menus and worlds?

[tardy silo]

no, I don't have those 😭🙏

[tardy silo]

I don't know

I will try

[tardy silo]

I tried joining in the among us server

they're talking but I can't hear it

and there's no sound when I'm walking is there actually no sound when walking in that server

[knotty wind]

it could be because you have an active voice chat app on your device?
i know that if i have been in a voice call on Discord, all other apps are made more quite somehow, untill i close all the apps... but this is usually only for my bluetooth earphones...
try closing your Discord and VRChat apps, then re-open the VRChat to try again?

[tardy silo]

I checked everything and nothing seems to be active to make music in vrchat not work

I tried joining in karaoke servers and still no sound

sounds of other apps works fine

only vrchat doesn't work

[knotty wind]

i forget if getting a log file on Android is possible, but it might help if you can 🤔
see: https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/9521522810899-Where-do-I-find-my-output-logs

[outer rain]

any progress on this issue?

[vale edge]

Those sound like issues specific to those worlds, not necessarily vrc.

Can always let the world author know if they have a discord or group

Mobile worlds are very tedious to make sometimes and testing them isn't always easy for a world author so it's fairly common some worlds have random issues.

Midnight bar was also updated yesterday

[knotty wind]

why a picture instead of a link? 😭
here is the link: https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta/p/instances-not-working-properly

[outer rain]

sorry...

[knotty wind]

i see no issues when going to either of those world on my phone 🤷

[outer rain]

it still happens for me and my friend.

[knotty wind]

then it might be related to your phone, or its specs... i wouldn't be surprised if those two worlds are poorly optimized for Quest/Android

[outer rain]

does this not happen for you?

[knotty wind]

wait... what? is that your issue??? 😕
those are just invisible walls in the world... they are seemingly there for 5 minutes, telling you to setup the jukebox or whatever... after the 5 minutes the invisible walls vanish... i just did this now 😓

[outer rain]

you need to be able to get behind the bar, though, and that doesn't seem to work.

[knotty wind]

it all worked perfectly fine when i was just testing it... 😐
if there is an issue outside of that, it is likely an issue with the world itself...

[vale edge]

Def suggest seeing if the world author has a discord server for the world

[hybrid tendon]

I'm a little confused about some things like the buttons don't support this world on mobile.

but until now the bug on vrchat mobile is on the part when we type on the chatbox suddenly a voice appears out of nowhere quite annoying.

[knotty wind]

what do you mean? which buttons didn't work? short of making a drink, i pressed every button and had no issues 😕

[hollow rapids]

look I'll say right now that new swimming pool world is really optimized on pc version, even my dogshit potato can run it pretty good at nearly the 60fps it can go at, but on android, looking at the water brings it down to 5fps which doesn't happen on pc version and there's nothing I can do to change it, yes I know the settings there, it doesn't help

[vale edge]

Why was that a reply to me? Lol

[mighty ginkgo]

I’m just wondering how much longer we gotta wait for vrchat to be fully released to everyone on iOS devices bc I hope it won’t be taking like a another year or two just to finish it and if it’s actually going to be an app or not bc if it is that be nice

[wet sorrel]

That is for #ios-discussion

[visual moss]

Sorry, I wanted to know. Does mobile vrchat support outlines on avatars? It's just that when I log in from a PC, there is an outline, but when I log in from a phone, there is no outline

[heady sparrow]

#open-beta-announcements message

[knotty wind]

it supports the exact same as "Quest"
(and soon more, when the new Toon Standard shader is fully released)

[visual moss]

where can I download this shader?

[knotty wind]

it is part of the Beta SDK, so it is in VCC, see: #open-beta-info message

[undone forge]

Does the game work? Every time I try to load a world it closes it

[heady sparrow]

Your avatar could be crashing you
Or it could be your phone isnt strong enough

[marsh summit]

When will the iPhone vrchat be available and will it be compatible with iPhone 14 / up

[vale edge]

It's only going to support the iPhone 3GS

[naive bluff]

#ios-info

[north plank]

iOS release when?

[naive bluff]

When it's ready.

[knotty wind]

#ios-discussion

[visual moss]

I integrated gogo freeze into my avatar and now I don't really need the camera to fly

[soft tangle]

Just Pro Tips - No need to touch on the middle screen to controls Radial Menu! You can control it outside menu without stretching you fingers lol

[visual moss]

And how?

[soft tangle]

This is how it looks like - https://youtu.be/oNhYRLvEp0M?t=668 (look at white Finger Taps)

[soft tangle]

But anyway that feature might useful for now until they bring back real Android Cam controls because almost only PC features shipped into Android platform. If you play PC version, you notice there is no Fly Cam button on PC platform and little different

[worn moat]

Hi, how can I move with my hands? Thx!

[naive bluff]

On the mobile app? You can't.

The mobile app is like desktop mode but on your phone.

[wet sorrel]

Plus you don't need vrc+

[visual moss]

if you have a pc you can embed animations into your avatar but it's too complicated

[unreal thicket]

My mic cuts out and is choppy on mobile and I have no idea how to fix it.

[knotty wind]

check the mic activation threshold in the VRChat client's sound settings... i remember mine was randomly set to max when i first started to use the Android app 🤔

[wet sorrel]

Also turn on Do Not Disturb to not have notifications lag you

[hollow rapids]

Vrchat needs to fix the mobile app the furality world just crashes on here

[knotty wind]

ooh? how so? for everyone or just you?

[naive bluff]

Isn't Furality, like... horribly laggy even on PC?

[sweet sluice]

Yeah, I am not purchasing tickets anytime soon. Not worth it to me. Especially if theres a ton of lag on PC.

[wet sorrel]

There was lag on pc in the beginning last year, but more broadband was added for the servers to run better.

[soft tangle]

The fun thing is, this guy PC runs quite well with too many furries in Club FYNN last year. Here's the video I have found…

[naive bluff]

Well, alrighty then.

I'd imagine it'd be much, much worse on mobile.

[soft tangle]

100 people already laggy so bad recent Umbra Club FYNN Replay in mobile version. I don't know how will it runs with 300 caps like this…

[knotty wind]

i mean, in theory it would be better on mobile (assuming decent hardware), since they can't attempt to load ALL the very poor avatars at once 😛

[near pelican]

How to select avatar on VRChat Mobile. I can only search, don't know to press to choose

[knotty wind]

https://discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/1377349295379845371

[urban gale]

Is it normal for mobile when everyone's avatar is choppy/pixelated? Everytime I join a world or my friends their avatars are super chopped. Is there a setting to fix this or is it my wifi?

[heady sparrow]

android is very limited on what it can show

you are getting imposter versions of avatars you cant show

[urban gale]

Ohhhhh that makes sense. Tysm!! I was so confused I thought it was a me problem lol

[icy saddle]

Will this ever be on iOS? They annoucjed they’d start on it back like a year or two ago and I’m still waiting

[heady sparrow]

#ios-info

[worldly vector]

I think it's there url and image downloaders, and the video players

So that why it's crashes on quest my ram fills up in like 10 mins from all the images

Unless we're thinking of a different world

[hollow rapids]

Yeah that's what I've been thinking too exactly. So in that case I guess just casual phones like mine can't handle it but for the better specs and quest, it can but it's extremely heavy for it

Just hope they can optimize it I already brought that up with the furality staff bit they said they have it like that for a reason

[worldly vector]

Well tell them questys keep getting ram crashed on there and the creators advertising there make quest stuff to and now they cant even see it

I'm sure on PC it doesn't run the best either

[knotty wind]

that is likely related to what was just fixed on the Open Beta:
#open-beta-announcements message

Changes & Fixes,

• Improved memory usage on Quest and other Android platforms. This should fix crashes introduced in 2025.2.2.
  sadly we don't have access to the Open Beta on Android mobile, so you can't really test it... but it should be fixed next update 🤞

[knotty wind]

but on PC and Quest, you can try it out, instructions here: #open-beta-info message

[cosmic flame]

How do I age verify so I can get into the worlds that have age verification?

[native igloo]

?tag age

[winter ore]

Age Verification is under Early Access to VRC+ users.

IT IS NOT MANDATORY, IT's OPTIONAL. IT's YOUR CHOICE!

If you interested, get VRC+ for month and click here.
(you don't need to continue if you don't want to)
https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/1884393142293573764/

More info: here
Follow-up video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzG9IwmM7TI

Some idea of what kind of ID they accept. (only idea)
https://docs.withpersona.com/reference/government-id-verifications

VRChat (@VRChat)

Age Verification is now available for VRC+ Subscribers!
︀︀
︀︀Read about this rollout and more in our latest blog post: hello.vrchat.com/blog/age-verification

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FxTwitter · Jan 29, 2025, 12:08 AM

[cosmic flame]

I just tried that but where to get vrc+ on here?

Do I have to login on my headset cause on the mobile app I don't
See an option for it

[knotty wind]

i don't think you can buy VRC+ on the Android app yet... so yeah, probably have to do it via the Steam version or the Quest version? 🤔

[native igloo]

https://wiki.vrchat.com/wiki/VRC%2B#Purchasing

[cosmic flame]

Thank you tony!!!

Ok now I'm in vr but thru my steam link and it won't let me purchase?

[native igloo]

chekck your screen, also if overlay disabled may not work. use desktop mode in that case.

[cosmic flame]

Ok but I have to use my steam link to get on to my pc account and it says I can't do i have the overlay enabled

[native igloo]

means, can you sit front of PC?

[knotty wind]

try starting VRChat in desktop mode?
i have heard that works better

[torpid drift]

Steam link on what?

I'm pretty sure Steam Link blocks being able to do purchases on it due to Apple forcing it on them

[wet sorrel]

I have gifted vrc+ thru vrc mobile cause Steam acts up with its overlay sometimes.

[hollow rapids]

Really hope so I'm updating soon as they fix it, cause this shit is extremely annoying right now when my android phone is literally the most reliable device to use vrchat

[hollow topaz]

Think my ping is alright guys?

[foggy fox]

Yo guys I can't use my microfon on vr chat mobile even tho I put it on always

Can u help me?

[visual moss]

Please tell me how to set up avatar physics so that it is visible on android mobile? When I log in from PC, physics is visible, when I log in from mobile, physics is not visible

I'm writing here because it's unlikely that many people play "avatar help" on their phones

[limpid pendant]

https://youtu.be/3dbxl7OrL1U?si=-Y6361_FoFMhiBvZ MY BRODDAS WE MUST FIND DA WÆ

[vale edge]

Bro stumbled through a time portal from 2018

[remote jetty]

How you import the character in VRChat Moblie help

[knotty wind]

you mean how to upload an avatar? 😕

[remote jetty]

Yes

[knotty wind]

you need a PC to do that

[remote jetty]

Thanks you

[lilac delta]

finally the fly issue is fixed, hope this channel can switch up the topics now lol

[soft tangle]

I also hope that I can use Very Poor avatar in this update. I'm waiting for this so bad!

[lilac delta]

it should be? been out for a while now unless a bug? well fingers crossed ^w^

[sweet sluice]

Yeah shouldve been out by now. Ive had it in here.

[visual moss]

Shit. I already submitted a bug report.

[sweet sluice]

Oop

At least you managed to get the head tracking to work slightly

[visual moss]

it only works fine in a vertical position, in a horizontal position they completely broke it

[sweet sluice]

Ive been stuck in vertical mode 😂😂

[visual moss]

They brought back the camera flight, but killed the face tracking, brilliant

[sweet sluice]

Well what were we even using face tracking for? Were crippled anyways.
Camera flight is arguably the more useful feature.

[wet sorrel]

Hurray!

[soft tangle]

Do you also have issue face tracking too? Just ask

[wet sorrel]

no

[vale edge]

Make sure the app has camera permissions

[soft tangle]

Yeah, I already know that just wonder if you have this issue #android-discussion message that's all

[vale edge]

Oh strange. I need to update and check. I'm on the old version still and I have no issues like that

[glossy wadi]

Restart your vrc

And change to another avatar and change back

[vale edge]

It's like it thinks you're landscape still

[glossy wadi]

You can solve this just reset and change back to back the avatars

[knotty wind]

i also have the issue...
can you link the bug report here? so i can up-vote it?

[vale edge]

Figures

Yeah when in landscape tracking thinks you're still in portrait mode

Also, I'm fairly pleased with the new quest toon shader. It doesn't look half bad.

I really wish I could pan a texture with it without using an animation tho... But I'll def take this over standard lite.

[dapper vault]

Is anyone else having auto-rotation looping issues on the Android Beta?

[vale edge]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/selfie-expression-rotation-issue

Dunno tho, could be a technical limitation, I've never used it in landscape before so I dunno if it worked previously.

[knotty wind]

it worked in previous version, so it is a regression

[vale edge]

Ah nice to know.

Kinda figured I woulda seen it mentioned before if it wasn't working previously

[dapper vault]

Specifically, if you try to initiate a landscape mode tilt, the screen will repeatedly rotate itself between landscape and portrait modes until you lay the phone flat.

[knotty wind]

haven't had that issue... you might want to make a bug report with more details 🤔

[vale edge]

Seems like a few rotation issues this round. Saw a few others on the canny

[glossy wadi]

Sending a video and tutorial to fix it...

Not long... 1 minit (30 second of loading the game lol)

Oh gosh this update broke so much thing

[knotty wind]

at least rotation doesn't seem to trigger the world audio issue anymore 🤔
too bad everything else still does 😅
https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta/p/all-world-sounds-play-after-focus-change

[glossy wadi]

Yeap

[vale edge]

Yeah I was getting it constantly still while recording n shit

Kept thinking people were joining my instance as there's a join sound.

[glossy wadi]

And its so loud and broken

A new bug LMAO

[knotty wind]

yeah... the worlds i frequent have a lot of loud sounds, so it is unplayable if i have world audio on 😞

[glossy wadi]

You cant join some world sometimes

[vale edge]

Luckily my world isn't too loud, but it's still annoying.

[glossy wadi]

And it trow you back to vrc home....

How i degreade my vrc

I hate this update broke so much thing as usual....

[knotty wind]

try joining the world directly from the launch app instead?

[vale edge]

Prob an issue with that specific world

[glossy wadi]

Good idea

[vale edge]

Crashes me too. Prob crashes quest users as well. There's a lot of things that can outright cause a quest world to not load and the world author not even be aware if they don't own a quest.

[glossy wadi]

Oh wait nvm

It work back

I have 8gb of my vrc chache

HOW
8GB?

[knotty wind]

worlds can be up to 200mb... and VERY POOR avatars can be unnecessarily big too...

[glossy wadi]

My very poor avatar just only 28mb

[vale edge]

That world was updated recently too so the author may have accidentally broken it.

[glossy wadi]

lol

It is 💀

[vale edge]

It happens. Making quest worlds can be tedious

Er I should get used to saying mobile

[knotty wind]

that is still 10 times bigger than mine 🤷

[glossy wadi]

What you expect a very bad one

[knotty wind]

when did it change to "Good" on PC? maybe when i changed to Toon Standard? i'll have to check that when i get home 😕

[vale edge]

Bird

[knotty wind]

i believe Rikkor is closer to dragon than bird, and Nanachi is closer to bunny or nightmare mutant 🤔
but i digress, i just think my avatar is cute 😛

[vale edge]

It's birb to me

Nana is bun

I do like the rikkorchi tho. Classic avi

[hollow rapids]

I just noticed for some reason in first person, at least on android when I pick up something, the hand position is off and is like, shifted more left where it's almost at the middle screen?

This obviously doesn't look right I don't know what the hell they did here

And before you ask no I didn't change the viewpoint, I didn't mess with the avatar at all during this moment.

Also I just noticed they fucked with the sensitivity of rotating the screen, I literally hold my phone in a certain position and it doesn't know whether to have it in landscape or portrait, this update actually sucks

[vale edge]

Have you tried another world with pickups? (Just to be sure)

[hollow rapids]

I don't know what the hells happening anymore, even with literally locking the rotation on my phone, I adjust the field of view and it switches back to portrait mode then adjusting it back to 80 switches it back but the screen stays dramatically stretched and eventually just messed up the whole game screen. Screw this, gonna have to download an older apk now and hope they didn't force the update

[vale edge]

I was on the earlier one a few hours ago. Didn't join a populated instance tho so dunno if it's networked and can't be bothered to read the notes lmao

[hollow rapids]

I'd rather not have a flying camera since that's only the real fix here, and have a less buggy version where things can at least work properly

I doubt it is, I never had shit like this ever before. when isn't vrchat buggy as hell

[vale edge]

I mean we are beta testers basically

[hollow rapids]

Yeah but things shouldn't have to get worse in an update

And look at that everything's back to normal granted had to sign in again and reapply all my settings

[vale edge]

May wanna make a new canny regarding that if ya have time.

[hollow rapids]

Yeah I know

Welp better report this with already 2 unacceptable bugs on the current version and have a 0.1% chance to be seen or anything be done about it

Had to go through an ad infested app just to install the apk

[knotty wind]

is that not normal? compare it to PC Desktop?

[hollow rapids]

Well it could be on desktop too, but I'm not updating that either till forced to. But why even mess with the field of view with your first person hand if wasn't a problem at all before

[vale edge]

I have some useful info for u if ya DM me or accept my fr.

[hollow rapids]

Ok I accepted

[visual moss]

Do I need to do this every time I log into the game, or can I do it just once?

[glossy wadi]

You only need to do once

As if you don't change your phone into horizon/vertical

[visual moss]

Sorry, could you please write in text what you said in the video? I just don't know English and use a translator 😓

[visual moss]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta/p/b12c86

[hollow rapids]

Wait please do not tell me vrchat made the limits even more strict or if this is a bug...

Apparently it's still a poor rating but I actually swear to God, if they're actually making the limits even stricter, fuck you vrchat I'm not optimizing my shit any further

[glossy wadi]

First, change your avatar before you quit vrc

Second, reopen your vrc and ACTIVATE CAMERA TRACKING BACK and change your avatar after open the camera tracking

And it fixed

[glossy wadi]

This is a poor? Fair enough

[visual moss]

Thanks!

[visual moss]

How long will the fix work? Will I be able to re-enter the app? And clear the cache?

[knotty wind]

i don't think anything was changed... but i am not sure what you are looking at

[hollow rapids]

Well idk what it's saying there, like it says out of 15k triangles, 2 materials and 32 physbones. Really hope they're just indicating what you need for a medium rating with what it's showing there and not be changing the rating system once again

Cause the novabeast was already hard to optimize in the first place along with my accessories on it, and with my friend putting a lot of time and effort into making that avatar a poor rating just for it to become very poor would be a huge shame

[glossy wadi]

It works forever if you dont change your phone to horizon/ vertical

[knotty wind]

yes, it has always been like that... the values are red because they are over the RECOMMENDED values... Very Poor happens after you exceed those values too much... so it is telling you the creator needs to learn how to optimize 😅

[hollow rapids]

Ok well as long as it's a poor rating and don't need people to show me, that's all I care about. But for me it has always showed the minimum values before getting very poor so its just weird I'm now seeing it like that.

My optimization skills are very basic I wouldn't have been able to make it look like that without my friends help

[knotty wind]

it is fairly ok optimized actually, now that i look at the numbers themselves... just too many polygons and too many PhysBones 🤔
so 👍

[wet sorrel]

I see the selfie expression issue when in landscape, but I usually play in portrait mode except a few game worlds.

[wet sorrel]

Face mirror can't be turned off either. Going to make a report on this too.

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta/p/face-mirror-wont-turn-off

[knotty wind]

wish we had Open Beta on Android mobile so we could find these issues sooner 😢

[ivory elm]

there is no bug and performance ratings haven't changed!!
the number on the right is the number needed to reach Medium, the recommended performance rank

[hollow rapids]

ok, luckily it's what I hoped then

[scenic saddle]

Y

[soft tangle]

Z

[soft tangle]

Very BIG disappointment! I still can't use Very Poor avatars in new update. What the fuck's devs are doing?!! They still not fixing this problem till now!

[marble crater]

is audiolink possible on avatars in any form on mobile?

[foggy fox]

Same here mate

[soft tangle]

Because of this problem, I can't use any amazing avatars in Somna Dealers Den world! Their avatars preview in Somna is so damn cool that this stupid game won't let me use it! 🤬🤦🏻‍♂️

[foggy fox]

Ye aman idk why,I used to play on my laptop but I'm grounded and now I'm stuck with my phone I want to play as my favorite dinosaur avatars

They should add an audio link too

[lilac delta]

I don't have this issue, i can use very poor avatars, could for a while now

Strange

[knotty wind]

the issue has been reported here and in #ios-discussion to be very random... coming and going 🤔
https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta/p/unable-to-use-any-very-poor-avatars

[lilac delta]

hmmm very strange, hope this gets fixed soon

[sterile oxide]

Hi, yeah I'm having this too. Any temp fix known? Really don't wanna boot up my quest just to test my avatar for five seconds, lmao.

[ivory elm]

you could reinstall the app entirely, see if the a/b test doesnt apply

[wet sorrel]

I had another update this evening

[soft tangle]

It doesn't work like that. I tried…

[torpid drift]

A/B tests are applied per account or instance (or just whatever VRChat decides it to work based on)

[soft tangle]

Very Poor avatars situation in same acc
Device A - ✅ Able to use
Device B - ❌ Unable to use (blocked)

It doesn't related with account nor instance but network or devices itself

[visual moss]

Have you tried doing a factory reset?

[soft tangle]

No way I'm gonna factory reset just for that…

[rapid fractal]

definaly, after the update, its not still there, definaly due to IP adress on my local wifi.

[hollow rapids]

Big disappointment furality worlds still don't work on this phone I have, I'm fucked, man.

[rustic bronze]

The only problem for me on VRC mobile is the fact that the game isn't just in landscape mode but i have to force it in landscape mode

[low cloak]

@eveyone hello am new

[vale edge]

Bro actually tried to ping 319,000 people to say hi

[soft tangle]

Which world did you visited? Dealers Den world is the heavier performance (so far) when I enter that world (terrible lag when spawn for a moment but works a bit smooth later around 15fps - 30fps)

World Meetup and Events performance runs pretty good

[hollow rapids]

It was the world events as well

Neither meetups my phone just doesn't like furslity worlds

I've just been using GeForce now since my pc is too slow at handling it the loading gui the world has just stays even though it's all loaded

[wet sorrel]

It was great to meet up today for the first time

[soft tangle]

Me too! It was my first furry convention convention, and it's great to see you there! Here's the photo, it may not the best photo as I'm expected

[wet sorrel]

First is medium, 2nd is fallback for very poor

I might remove an item on the Quest side

[soft tangle]

Yeah, I had no idea what avatar you using because of my problem

[wet sorrel]

similar to the one in the 1st, but more decked out on PC

I removed the badge and kept the glowsticks

now it's Poor

[soft tangle]

Are you going to Opening Ceremonies? I will be there

[wet sorrel]

soon

[soft tangle]

I just want to know does Very Poor by enable manually remove pixelated avatars? You know why I ask this question…

[torpid drift]

Impostors are just fallbacks, so usually yes

impostors could still be shown if the avatar doesn't have an android build

[soft tangle]

Well, this is the reason why I ask…

I meet this content creator called ElectroWuff (red one) in Foxes Meetup yesterday in Furality, and I really want to take a picture together but his avatar look ugly (pixelated) that makes me refuse or yes to photo…?

I can't enable it to make that avatar have better look because this stupid phone I have unable to use Very Poor avatars. Black Rexouium is me btw

[knotty wind]

the same bug also prevents you from showing other people's avatars? first i hear of it 😟
i know it worked a while back, but it is not like i use my Android for VRChat a lot 😓
doing some testing in a random instance, i can definitely see the issue too... it change to show avatar for like a millisecond and than changes back to "default" option on its own 🤔
my log file says nothing of real interest:

2025.06.07 11:10:31 Debug      -  Saving 4 local player moderations (5, 4) immediately (less than 1000)
2025.06.07 11:10:31 Debug      -  [ModerationManager] <user> avatar is enabled
2025.06.07 11:10:31 Debug      -  [Behaviour] Switching <user> to avatar <avatar>
2025.06.07 11:10:31 Debug      -  Switching avatar to <avatar>
2025.06.07 11:10:31 Debug      -  [Behaviour] CacheComponents: ParticleSystems 1, AudioSources 0
2025.06.07 11:10:31 Debug      -  Found SDK3 avatar descriptor.
2025.06.07 11:10:31 Debug      -  [Behaviour] Using default gesture mask (hands)
2025.06.07 11:10:31 Debug      -  [Behaviour] Using default fx mask (all muscles disabled, all transforms enabled)
2025.06.07 11:10:31 Warning    -  Recovered 0 Network IDs from Avatar
2025.06.07 11:10:31 Debug      -  [Behaviour] Avatar is Ready, Initializing
2025.06.07 11:10:31 Debug      -  Saving 3 local player moderations (5, 4) immediately (less than 1000)
2025.06.07 11:10:31 Debug      -  [ModerationManager] <user> Avatar will follow Safety Settings
```i tried adjusting my "Avatar Optimizations" options, changing them to be the least restrictive possible, and there was no change...
same happened no matter who i tried it on in the instance... but weirdly enough, i could open up the user's profile in the main menu and look at the avatar details page without issue, and it said the avatar was "Android compatible"

i was able to use a Very Poor avatar myself without issue, so it doesn't seem like that is related to this issue 🤔

by the way, i found this old help article about how to get your log file on mobile, and it seems kinda out of date... where should i report such? just a normal bug report? 😅
https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/19651108531859-VRChat-Mobile-How-do-I-access-my-Output-Logs

[lilac delta]

update your browser? how old is your browser then? 😮

[naive bluff]

Mobile browser.