ios-discussion

[indigo shard]

So far, Android barely or don't have any major bug except missing Flying Cam (reported made by @ dragontamerwes). So, iOS is the only platform have major bug issue here

Only iOS user known the problem

[stray shore]

I wonder why I can no longer display the Android Very Pool avatars because of the last update or the message (low memory) appears.

on the other hand I managed to see an IOS avatar compatible in very poor

[stark silo]

Maybe you should not be playing VRC in a Very Big Pool

Jokes aside, maybe it's because it goes hand in hand with the new texture limiter?

[stray shore]

no idea

[stray shore]

I also tried to display 2 compatible iOS avatars which were the same and I saw the first one and not the 2nd one (which made no sense)

[stark silo]

Maybe there's like a new hard limit? Kinda like how android has the size limit and all

[stray shore]

when the person switched to a very poor Android v avatar (not IOS compatible), I saw it, but when I joined the instance a second time, the game blocked me again and could no longer display it

[stray shore]

the only thing I know is that we have a limit of 4 avatars displayed maximum (since I can no longer display android avatars in very poor I don't know if there are still these restrictions)

[stark silo]

How the Very Poor quantity limit works was always been weirdly ambiguous to me
Is it like "whatever loads first" fills the limit to a cache or can you prioritize what loads first or like...?
I haven't gone to too many places with very poors, mainly just some driving worlds and some testing of my personal Velle here and there (which is a Very Poor already), so I wouldn't know myself

[warm chasm]

Its like on quest, you have to manually show the person’s avatar

[stray shore]

The developers disable things on the iOS version but they are not informed why, which creates confusion with some players.

[stark silo]

I figured that's how part of it works
I guess since I set my settings to block all except friends, it probably does the prioritizing weirdly for me

[stark silo]

monkey with two cymbals type development 😭

[stray shore]

yes but it's blocked by the game itself 🫠

[stray shore]

It's not too serious, it will come back eventually, I hope.

[inland frigate]

When is camera recording gonna be added to standalone

[stark silo]

Wouldn't suspect anytime soon, it's pretty heavy enough on its own on PC

[tidal salmon]

We're tracking this one! This looks like a problem with that button on iOS and Android

iOS is currently set up to have Very Poor support identical with Android (limit of 4), so any difference in behavior is definitely a bug

[stark silo]

Stupid question, that 4 also counts yourself if your worn avi is VP right?

[stray shore]

It seems to me that this system exists on Android mobile but only for facial expression.

( someone just has to confirm it to me)

[stray shore]

ha ok in any case I have this problem with the iPhone 14 plus and the iPad Pro M4 (I can't know the difference with android mobile because I don't have an android device)

[stark silo]

I think they was talking about VRC’s camera, right?

[stray shore]

the drone camera?

[cloud vapor]

if you have vrc+ you can! (on quest that is incase you where refering to mobile then not)

[stark silo]

The camera in general I guess, like how you can record video through the camera but on PC you’d need something like OBS or NVIDIA’s overlay

Unless you can screen record on standalone now?

[cloud vapor]

again you can now use (for a couple of months now) use the camera to record standalone (need VRC+ as it's part of the dolly feature)

[stray shore]

ha ok I misunderstood... a function like a recording mode by the game camera would be nice (I don't think we can broadcast something in the camera in standalone mode or on mobile natively

[stark silo]

I was aware of the drone thing for a long time but couldn’t afford for it lol
I didn’t know the drone had video capabilities
It’d be nice if the regular camera could record if that’s the case

[cloud vapor]

third time now, i suggest not ignoring my anwser, you CAN do that now for MONTHS now

last time ill anwser lol

[cloud vapor]

no no it's not the drone, it's a separate camera feature ^w^ dolly camera mode

[stark silo]

Also can’t afford that 😭 💀
I was thinking if the regular camera could somehow hook onto iOS’s screen recording API or whatever, that would be cool
Though idk how you’d use the camera with touchscreen controls and not a controller

[stray shore]

how am i supposed to know if everything is in english on the camera if games 😂

[stark silo]

In regards to camera dollying I’ll just buy that camera animation extension for VRCLens on PC 💀

[stark silo]

Oh, english not your first language?

[cloud vapor]

fair! but it's cool to have on quest ^w^

[cloud vapor]

haha sorry xD

[stark silo]

I would nail camera movements with my dualsense ngl, but like I mentioned, VRC alone is already too power hungry for me to see them even begin to THINK about implementing a stream mode like system for standalone

[cloud vapor]

mabye a quest 4 exclusive feature

[stark silo]

Q3 would be good enough honestly
My iPad is already more beefier than the Q2 in terms of raw power to be fair, but not everyone has an M2

[stray shore]

dolly camera doesn't mean anything to me so I didn't know what it could be used for recording, I who don't have vrc + it would make it worse the absence of this function it should have been called (recording camera)

[stark silo]

Theoretically you could record with the camera on mobile but you’d have to crop the video💀

[cloud vapor]

so it's dolly camera that have an option to record, but it's main purpose is not recording, so yeah i get the confusion. the current cap is 63 seconds at 1080p

[stray shore]

No, note that my bio is written in French and not in English.

[stark silo]

63 seconds is weirdly specific
Almost like binary but like

Ah oui
(I forgot what the word to see was in french)

[cloud vapor]

ui settings say 60 seconds but it always ends at 63 seconds for some reason

[cloud vapor]

croisant

[stark silo]

Maybe a binary numerical number

Cause 63 is technically the last number in a 64 binary set of numbers if that makes sense

[stray shore]

[cloud vapor]

ohh i see! i learned something new today then 😄

[stark silo]

Cause technically speaking 0 is the first number, hence 0-63

Same reason why 127 is the last number in a 128 binary number set, 0-127

[indigo shard]

I see iOS also missing Flying Cam mode here

[sturdy cargo]

Same issues on both mobile platforms

[stark silo]

iirc it works with a controller/gamepad
but don't quote me on that, i'll test it later

[soft moon]

@stark silo said “it works with a controller/gamepad”

[unkempt burrow]

how can i play vrchat on ios

[indigo shard]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-obvious-thank-you-superhero-super-hero-gif-9900289

[chrome quest]

Are we deadass 💀

[stark silo]

Can confirm, camera movement is only exclusively available with a gamepad and presumably the future M&KB support

[indigo shard]

I also had no idea why devs unintentionally shipped features from PC into Mobile in this update like Stream Quality for video recording (no mode for that lol), Focus view (totally broken but I really like this feature a lot) and Drone

[stark silo]

Patience my friend, we're only scratching the surface of what VRC can be in the mobile space ^^

Maybe they'll implement that screen recording routing, which would be awesome

[indigo shard]

That's my favorite part honestly! I hate video recording from FPV, I can't watch myself doing something from different perspectives

[steel fossil]

honestly having the mobile app communicate with the desktop app would be cool as well

And basically have the desktop app control the camera for the mobile user

[plush cradle]

where's iPhone 16 series？

[copper cave]

This is just survey so you can ignore selecting actual.

[plush cradle]

ok thx

[magic condor]

Can’t get over this .

[cloud vapor]

what's wrong with this?

[magic condor]

It says “generation of higher ” instead of “generation or higher.

[cloud vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/rotflmao-my-eyes-cant-see-gif-12195720

my day is ruined

[stray shore]

Google Translate can't make spelling mistakes. 😕

[light forge]

Does anyone else have a crashing problem with VRC on Mac?

[copper cave]

it's not made for mac and known issue if trying to use on mac than ios

[stark silo]

Literally fucking unplayable

[toxic zenith]

you have to apply then wait 282 months and then you can play vrrchat

[rough barn]

Every time someone asks, that number goes up 😂

[main ginkgo]

And it looks like they restricted very poor avatars again

This isn’t very awesome sauce

Why can’t it just be like Quest? 😭

[cloud vapor]

Because it's not the same? Ios is not android

[sand otter]

probably not... either there is a bug, there is some hidden AB testing, or some random requirement that we don't know about 🤷
#ios-discussion message suggests it might be a bug more than anything

[west raptor]

is it not possible to use the same invite link twice?

[hollow lagoon]

Hello, I have read this and I am wondering how is the beta doing now?

[stray shore]

no invitation accepted and linked to Apple account

just like if you buy a game on the Apple Store it will be purchased through your account

[cloud vapor]

beta going well, still a downgrade from the android app but it'ss better now, still annoyed that the ios launcher is a bit of a downgrade from the android app but it works! notifications still not working but it's playable! love beta testing this app ^w^

[rough barn]

Maybe they died for a while and I haven’t noticed, but I’ve gotten notifications with iOS for months

[cloud vapor]

Having notifications yes, do they do something when you click them? No. There is no notification tab on ios like on android and that's annoying for me

[rough barn]

Ah, yes 100% agree! Is there a canny for this I can upvote? :D

[cloud vapor]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/ios-mobile-beta/p/ios-notifications

there i made one xD

[rough barn]

Updooted!

[green cairn]

is it possible to get notifications for when applications for the closed beta is open again? I got I a 16 pro today

[stark silo]

You can only pray
Jokes aside, your best bet is to always check this channel often and frequently, but seeing as to how I applied and waited since August 2024 and finally got in at January 2025, you can really only hope to see the invitation in the email you signed up with from the banner

[raven drift]

Was there any idea when this will be released?

[sand otter]

aside from "when it is ready," no

[raven drift]

Ah gotcha very helpful🙏

[knotty vessel]

How do i get ios vrchat again?

Oh ok

[rough barn]

A historical moment here, the pin worked

[hot garden]

yippie

[earnest raven]

not a tester at the moment- but as a avatar creator blocking very poor avatars on mobile while having a very unbalanced rating system makes absolutely no sense

[earnest raven]

I have some very optimized avatars who simply aren’t rated well for using different shaders or having a physbone too many- if you guys want to roll in this direction you need to fix the rating system first

[wet sail]

Its a bit choppy sometimes but it still works atleast

[tulip needle]

When is the iOS build going to be public?

[cloud vapor]

when it's ready

[indigo shard]

That's how Android user feels like back then. Thankfully, they finally give access to use Very Poor avatars againagain

[hot garden]

Yeah was gonna say- Very Poor avis load now

[sand otter]

i suggest making a bug report or feature request about the performance ranking system needing changes then... since complaining about it in the #ios-discussion channel of all places is likely the least productive thing you can do 😅
you can make bug reports and feature requests here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/

[earnest raven]

thank you!

[fluid shadow]

Nothing to see here

It was just Unity bump

[spring snow]

Oh wow. I can use very poor avis now

[stark silo]

idk about you guys but portrait mode vrc looks so cursed 😭

[stray shore]

🥲 I could do it for a long time the only problem I have is that I can't see the android avatars which are very poor

[little bloom]

So I’m guessing it’s closed right now

[stark silo]

Massive backlog of a waitlist rn unfortunately

[little bloom]

🥺

[lofty ember]

[stark silo]

Yeah no, I waited 6 months for mine

So I just brought my fuckin quest with me 😭 😭 😭 😭

[marsh glade]

im finally not a brokie anymore chat!!!1!1

For context i had an iphone 13 when the beta came out

And i just today got a new phone

[stark silo]

You mean mini egg fryer?

[rough barn]

Ooo the pin has a new mini note

Good idea tbh

[stark silo]

Must've been from users like me

If we consider the average though, the test drops were august, then October, then January iirc
I haven't heard them open up since

[idle junco]

Seems like the app isn’t using the mic on my AirPods? Is anyone else having this issue?

[marsh glade]

A few visual anomalies i found

Also wtf? Why cant i use this and see this? I literally could yesterday

[sand otter]

i think it was suggested that there might be a bug somewhere that randomly prevents using "Very Poor" avatars every so often...
#ios-discussion message

We're tracking this one! This looks like a problem with that button on iOS and Android
iOS is currently set up to have Very Poor support identical with Android (limit of 4), so any difference in behavior is definitely a bug
if you have any details about it, i suggest making a bug report, or adding information to an existing bug report 🤔
bug reports are located here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/

[marsh glade]

Would restarting the game help?

[sand otter]

no idea... from what i have seen from peoples complaining about it in #android-discussion and #ios-discussion, it seems very random, almost changing on a daily basis 🤷
if you can find any clues as to why the button doesn't work,workaround, or anything else, it might help people fix the issue 🤔
i suggest trying to open the avatar's details and clicking the "Change Into Avatar" on that maybe? other places? 😕

[marsh glade]

Tried a few things just now. Nothing works

Which is wierd cus it let me use the avatars normally yesterday with no issues

Only took a few clicks to turn on someones avatar

[faint wraith]

I submitted my beta application ios 13 how long does it take ?

I also lost the page and cannot find it anymore

Could just be me but i found it once and never again

[rough barn]

There’s no reason to be able to find the page after successfully submitting your request, just gotta wait. The pinned post mentions it could take 6 or more months.

[faint wraith]

Ohhh

[stray shore]

Does anyone know why the drone mode with the camera on mobile has disappeared?

(I can't watch billiards anymore with my height of 0.75m )

[sturdy cargo]

The fly camera was missing since March. The drone itself wasn't available on phones.

[stray shore]

in vr it seems to me that I still had drone mode on the camera

[sturdy cargo]

the flying camera only affected phones, not desktop, or vr

[sand otter]

to the best of our knowledge, it is a bug that the button was removed from mobile versions... if there is any other reason then we haven't really heard about it 🤷
the bug report is marked as available in future release, so i assume it will be released in the next big update 🤞
https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta/p/flying-button-missing-from-camera

[true cargo]

My guess is the controls werent properly set up

[sand otter]

it was working fine on Android before it was removed... but yeah, maybe it needed some work for the iOS version and was removed both places... or maybe it was just plain removed by mistake... no idea 🤷
just have to wait for it to be fixed, complaining or theorycrafting doesn't exactly make it go faster 😅

[stray shore]

it's reassuring then ^w^

[sturdy cargo]

Just a matter of time

[pure rune]

Interesting question: I'm able to install the beta as an iOS app on my M2 MacBook Air now (finally).

It opens and the core UI works signed out, but signing in causes a crash. Is this something that was experienced in closed testing? I'm interested in helping to work out any issues with this.

Holding off filing a feedback until I know if this is expected.

[rough barn]

I've seen someone mention somewhere on this server fairly recently that they've been able to get it working on mac but I'm pretty sure it's with hacky steps and not just a straight forward "run it and it works every time" kinda deal

You could probably search the server for "mac" and find it somewhere within the last month or so, but that might be a lotta digging still hehe

honestly whoever that dude is could probably make a yt video and hella folks would use it but idk maybe it's a process they expect to fail at some point

[warm chasm]

There’s previous talks in this channel about the subject. They accidentally turned it on <#ios-discussion message>

[rough barn]

yea nobody is supposed to play on mac so the answer is no

there's no expected behavior for mac, it's not officially supported

[pure rune]

I think that might've been the Windows version ran through WINE with the Apple Game Porting Toolkit, which can do local build & test, but not online (EAC can't run through Rosetta nor on ARM)..

[warm chasm]

Last time someone got it running they only got to the social aspect of the app, not the game itself

It was basically a really bad VRCX

[pure rune]

Well, iOS apps on (ARM) Macs are supposed to run just like they would on iOS. It even spoofs the hardware to be an iPad Pro.

It's just... some older methods of getting the OS and hardware identifiers break this, returning the true hardware & OS (Mac, and macOS), rather than what macOS simulates.

...which Unity does. And uses to determine codepaths and available features. Breaking Unity iOS apps on Mac. 🙃

[pure rune]

Ah ok then they're where I'm at.

[warm chasm]

Pretty sure the reasoning is just the Unity version

[pure rune]

Nah, I'm pretty sure all versions of Unity suffer from this.

Except maybe the newest one, idk.

[cloud vapor]

@pure rune yeah i found out that you can install the app, and i managed to make the 'hub' work but indeed, it's not running the game as it's not supposed to run it. even with the newest update, still have it xD as @warm chasm said it's a bad VRCX app thingy lol

[pure rune]

It's still nice to have and play with.
-# Also means I can see about poling it with a swizzle stick to try and circumnavigate that bug :P

[marsh glade]

When r the avatars gonna get fixed?

[sand otter]

maybe when it is properly bug reported? and then when VRChat devs have time to prioritize it into their schedule 🤷
speaking as a developer myself, it is very disruptive to put away the current big project you are working on, to quickly focus on minor issues every few hours when a customer calls in with yet another minor issue 😓
this is why issues that are worked on are usually planned ahead of time, so there are fewer disruptions... unless something critical happens, such as crash issues or destructive bugs 😟
currently best bug report is: https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta/p/unable-to-use-any-very-poor-avatars

[steel fossil]

I ironically waited that long and still nothing.

[glad ivy]

I’m curious if the iOS app allows for use of 3rd party controllers connected to the device? Like Backbone controllers

[marsh glade]

Most likely does

[stark silo]

Can confirm, it works with anything that's under the MFi standard
Tested under Joycons, DualSense and even my fuckin 8bitdo Micro (don't ask)

Since VRC's built on Unity, most unity games have native controller support to easily integrate in

I will say that you'll likely have a better experience with a controller on VRCiOS, especially if you're already familiar with playing on desktop with a gamepad
You get a couple extra functions like being able to control the camera with fly mode (something that's disabled on touch control mode)
That's also not to mention that you're not cooking your hands by holding your device

[pure rune]

I mean, the only way to support controllers, officially, on iOS is through the Game Controller API. iOS does not support generic HID controllers; only MFi devices + XBOX/Switch/PS bluetooth controllers (and those that register/communicate as one).

Last I tried it also worked with keyboard and mouse; I briefly tested it with Universal Control from my Mac (a feature that connects a Mac mouse & keyboard to iPad, or vice versa).

[stark silo]

I'm assuming I'm probably confusing that with Unity's native support for it?

Speaking of, have they figured out how to use the KB/M API thing for iOS to lock the cursor yet, or is that still on the WIP?

[pure rune]

I think Unity just makes it easy. Their input system is designed to use whatever the host OS' APIs support.

So on iOS that's the Game Controller framework, + keyboards.

And since the Game Controller framework gets updated across OS versions, this means that any new controllers that get added to support essentially get support backported to existing games.

[pure rune]

I think this is probably why cursor support is weird on iOS.

That's a different API. So it'd be up to Unity to add support for it, and backport it to the version VRChat supports.

[stark silo]

thinking about it i’m yet to find more m&kb supported games on iOS other than terraria 💀

[pure rune]

Mojang had broken keyboard support for iOS for years (would support bluetooth keyboards but not wired, smart keyboards; almost as if they were just communicating directly with the keyboard rather than using keyboard APIs). IDEK if they fixed that.

[fluid shadow]

New version. Nothing major 🙂

[tidal salmon]

Funny that recent conversation is about controller support - we just did a patch release (2025.2.1p3), which includes a fix for the bug where connecting a PS5 controller would basically freeze the app

[tidal salmon]

I test with a Backbone specifically! Should be all good

[stark silo]

wait wtf since when
was it happening on certain devices?

[tidal salmon]

Curious, did TestFlight show you the app on Mac? We don't have it turned on at all so I'm not sure how this was possible

[tidal salmon]

Basically from the beginning. Any hardware that causes a change to the audio setup was causing the freeze - so plugging in a PS5 controller (which has a microphone and speaker), doing screen mirroring over AirPlay, recording with QuickTime

[stark silo]

Weirdly specific setup but I can see why that causes issues, cause I know for a fact that iOS for some reason immediately switches to the DualSense's audio when using a wired connection, hell I don't even know if you can even USE the microphone on iOS lmao

[cloud vapor]

It did but I'm not home to confirm the update of today is on mac, will type here when i have my mac with me

[pure rune]

It does for me yeah.

It's still nice to have even if you can't get into worlds with it currently.

I wanted to poke it a little, see if there would be a way of getting it to run but, uh, IL2CPP makes that annoying.
-# Throwing the Unity framework into a disassembler, it is quite literally calling a function by name using a string. Somehow. Same with poking the Unity framework in a unity project built for iOS.

[dreamy spindle]

yes, it's shown in testflight on mac and you can install it. but after login the app crashes.

[pure rune]

Disable "Preload VRChat in background on app launch"

Macs technically meet the minimum requirements to run VRChat for iOS, but a bug with Unity (or .NET; unsure) causes it to detect itself as a Mac.

Yes, this is a bug. iOS apps on M-series Macs are supposed to detect iOS and an iPad Pro, not macOS and a Mac. This basically causes errors where Unity code targeting iOS doesn't run.

In VRChat's case, it crashes. Disabling preload lets you use it as a web client for viewing online friends and managing lists and such, for now.

[dreamy spindle]

Disabling preload lets you use it as a web client for viewing online friends and managing lists and such, for now.

But for this i can use also use the normal website, i think.
In my case i use the iOS/iPad devices for testing networking with 2 testplayers in my world. It's easer and faster for me than trying to test with 2 VR devices.

[pure rune]

Yeah, but the normal website doesn't work with iCloud Private Relay, so it has use for some. The app will also be more reliable with notifications.

[livid smelt]

Why isn’t there a mini menu on ios?

They have a small menu but not the mini hand menu…

[pure rune]

I personally like having the app even if I can't get into worlds, for certain use cases that fit it.

[warm chasm]

Hold down the menu button in the touch screen controls

[steady vigil]

Where that at

[cloud vapor]

so i been testing it and came to this conclusion: 1: the app still is downloaded on my mac but testflight say "incompatible with this mac" label now and 2: when i open the app i see 1 second of the hub and it then crashes.

[violet burrow]

Can I still be in the beta?

[strong saddle]

How did you download it on iOS

[livid smelt]

Wdym?

I’m running beta

[strong saddle]

On iPhone?

[strong saddle]

I’m too stupid to figure it out

[livid smelt]

If u got selected it would tell you how in email.

[strong saddle]

Is it too late to get accepted😭😭😭

[livid smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/what-can-you-do-gif-14355325654165871840

[rough barn]

Bruh how DARE double-tapping worlds not open the search

Gonna have to search up the canny cuz that has to be reported already

[stark silo]

oh it works
sort of (don’t mind my insane tapping speed)

[cloud vapor]

@tidal salmon small update on the mac app thingy: i deciced to do a test and deleted the app from testflight on my mac, and now i can't install it anymore on the mac so i guess you fixed the bug i enjoyed xD seems it's also not avalible anymore on vision pro. back to just ios for me for testing lol ^w^

[balmy shell]

So when is it coming out I’m just curious around what time?

[stark silo]

https://tenor.com/view/winterz-soon-gif-19096204

[balmy shell]

:))

[balmy shell]

How soon?

[stark silo]

Pinned message bot

Well that's actually the estimated wait time for getting into the beta

Actual release? Good question!~

[green sonnet]

Fortnite made it to the App Store before public iOS VRChat! Noooooooo

It truly is the beginning of the end of the world.

[stark silo]

orrrr maybe because fortnite was optimized enough for mobile years ago (2018) and apple actually let them back on the app store??

Two different games, tomodachi.

[green sonnet]

joke

your head

The statement was more a juxtaposition between both apps, which have shared the disposition of being seemingly impossible to release for the iOS/iPadOS platform due to issues working within the Apple environment/framework. It's similar to when people say "[this] happened before we got GTA 6."

There are many literal reasons that such and such, or this and that, are the case. But it's hyperbole, see "It truly is the beginning of the end of the world."

[opal tinsel]

iOS release when?

[stark silo]

It didn't need to be personal my friend 💀

[green sonnet]

It still isn't personal. You don't have to read any of your own emotions into it if you don't want to. I simply explained how the joke worked, so you wouldn't be confused for next time. You're awesome, keep working at it no worries!

[green sonnet]

The developers are struggling to release it, and that's why there's not much in the way of public release news. When they know more, they'll let us know. They've hit several roadblocks as they've never done something like this before at scale, and this is the first time in the VRC environment they're migrating things to this operating system. The fastest way to learn about it is the same way we would, to just watch for announcements from https://discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/1272893387535679548

[stark silo]

let’s take this debate to dms and not clutter the channel with our emotions my friend ^^

[green sonnet]

There's no debate. I already explained it to you twice. I'm done if you are. Thank you, though

I wouldn't say no to a DM from you if you need any further explanation, also. Just saying all the info you need to understand it was written twice already

[stark silo]

[lofty ember]

[green sonnet]

🫖

[sand otter]

🍿

[south rivet]

Will mobile players have access to pc avatars?

[warm chasm]

That's a Unity limitation, and also would be pretty bad for performance if it was possible. iOS can currently use Android and iOS built avatars

[south rivet]

Okay

[sand otter]

no... restrictions are similar to Quest/Android
(i don't know the exact details on the differences of iOS and Android, but they are mostly the same)

[stark silo]

Don’t see it happening in the foreseeable future
The closest we can do is make them look like PCVR avis, I mean there’s that new Standard Toon(?) shader we got but it’s still a WIP

What I’d kill for is audio on avatars
I heard they did some testing (or it was like an SDK bug?) back in mid-2022 where some android/quest avis had sounds, but because of how VRC seems to handle audio, which apparently is super intensive for mobile devices, that might be a while too

[warm chasm]

wasn't really much testing, just people using modified SDKs to bypass the restriction which the game client allowed weirdly

[stark silo]

oh was that what happened back then?

From what I heard, sound files on avis are a lot more resource intensive than just loading up a 220kb OGG file

[warm chasm]

Yeah, but I swear I'm having some weird mandela effect where I remember a VRChat staff member furality keynote talking about things like 1st party SDK avatar optimization tools way before the dev blog mentioned it and even referring to getting avatar audio working on android

I can't find it anymore, but I'm pretty someone dropped the links in the Poiyomi Shader discord and it had like only 300 views

[stark silo]

I can at least back you up on the mandela effect that there was a point avis had audio
It did require some hackish method to my knowledge, but since I was a desktop user at the time, I could never test it out
I think this happened literally a week before EAC? Or maybe it was shortly after

[sand otter]

Quest/Android avatars have never supported audio... but there was once bugs/exploits that made it possible to bypass the restriction, and this was used by bad avatar creators to upload Quest/Android avatars with audio... 😐
luckily that was fixed a long time ago it seems, since i haven't see the issue in a long time 🤔
(exact same issue that happened with transparency on Quest/Android avatars just recently)

[stark silo]

Let me guess on the crashers, one of those audio crashing files?

It was a super short and small time frame that only a handful of people seem to know about
Even some seasoned avi and world creators sometimes get stumped when I bring it up

[sand otter]

let's hope that people forget about transparency on Quest/Android avatars soon too then 🤞

[stark silo]

House fire 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[warm chasm]

I've actually found it https://youtu.be/tf8iFYTx1bY?t=1074

9 months ago lmfao

[stark silo]

Holy shit fucking LEGEND LMAO

[warm chasm]

"keep an eye out about that", it's been too damn long

[stark silo]

I’ll scope this

Just as I suspected, audio files based on what they mentioned here do definitely end up being super memory intensive

“Keep an eye out for that” is a wild quote to be saying after god knows how long 💀

[warm chasm]

Guessing why it's probably not really surfaced as the Quest still has such limited amount of ram for today's standards

hopefully we see a 12gb Quest

[indigo jetty]

question, is it possible to be rejected or do they never respond back?

[warm chasm]

You don’t really get rejected unless you don’t accept your invite . You only get an email from an Apple.com domain when you get invited

[sand otter]

as the bot says, wait time to be accepted into the closed beta can be upward to 6 months or more 🤷
they have a very limited number of beta seats available, because Apple policy, and therefore can't just accept everyone... 😓
they actually have to eject inactive testers every so often just to make room for new testers 😟

[stark silo]

i'd suspect oculus would have to seriously up their cooling game if 12GB is gonna happen
i can see it still being possible regardless considering the vision pro exists, and cooling (and memory management) in mobile devices seems to be getting better in recent years

to have a 12GB quest and make it quest 3 affordable would be a challenge

[cloud vapor]

How about 10GB ram to be both better in ram yet cost cutting?

[stark silo]

10 sounds like a weird number to work with, no?
Usually I’ve seen it go from 2 > 3 > 4 > 6 > 8 > 12 > 16
Never heard of a 10GB RAM device, might google to prove myself wrong

[indigo jetty]

alright ty ty

[stark silo]

huh so it turns out there are 10GB RAM mobile devices
Knowing the progression of technology and stuff, you’d think 12GB would probably be the ideal step along the way for standalone
Then again there’s a certain price hike of electronics going on, so 10GB RAM might be the next Quest if it disrupts Oculus’ hardware development

[coral snow]

How many hours does the email take cause I already signed up for it

[sand otter]

around 4380 hours on average...
see: #ios-discussion message

[magic condor]

Brutally honest

[balmy shell]

Where do I check for the email?

[sand otter]

in your email inbox? 😕
i don't understand the question...

[balmy shell]

Cause I haven’t got it yet

[sand otter]

have you waited the average 4380 hours?

[balmy shell]

Idk

I think I submitted it in oct

Or nov

[harsh tapir]

What the iOS mobile thing about

[sand otter]

🍎 📱

[harsh tapir]

When its out

[sand otter]

when it is ready...

[balmy shell]

Isn’t it already ready? I thought they were having troubles getting it onto the App Store

[sand otter]

no... it is in closed beta... hence the name of this channel: #ios-discussion

[balmy shell]

How long will it take because my quest is starting to get old and it crashes sometimes

[harsh tapir]

Probably a month

[sand otter]

literally no one knows

[balmy shell]

I feel like I’m being teased

[sand otter]

you are just asking very silly questions that are all explained in the FAQ (though somewhat poorly), which poor @unkempt zinc is trying VERY hard to make you read 😟

[balmy shell]

Bru that’s not what I ment I was saying that I feel like I’m being teased for iOS

Bru

[fluid shadow]

As the bot says… read faq. 99% of the questions are ther with answers

[stark silo]

Getting a UGC game like VRC on the App Store isn't the issue, it's the optimization
They don't wanna push out a game that's very well in its early phases (take it from me) where only people with phones from about the last couple generations can ideally even run the game

Our friend The Bot (tm) spams the same message for a reason ^^

[balmy shell]

iOS devices shouldn’t need as much optimization as android devices the ram on a iOS device is of the charts

[stark silo]

Doesn't matter
My RTX3060 and Ryzen 7 are always crying on PCVR

Even Minecraft to this day isn't perfectly "optimized"

Raw power essentially means nothing when the software isn't optimized... optimally

[sand otter]

it is still an entirely different hardware and operating system... and Unity also has plenty of issues with iOS compatibility as far as i understand 🤔

[stark silo]

I don't believe you understood the point, tomodachi ^^
@mr.pg0853

[balmy shell]

That’s why I deleted it

[stark silo]

Point is
my ipad M2 turns into a fuckin frying pan the moment I unlock FPS😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[sand otter]

yes... iOS app still sounds like it is a fair way away from release 🤷

[stark silo]

christ do i gotta pull a haios and explain the joke

💀

[balmy shell]

Well it’s a good thing mine is on a Magic Keyboard

[warm chasm]

Apple is notorious for having little to no ram until they started focusing on putting on-device AI models in them

[stark silo]

Either way, as impressive as VRC iOS is, it's FAR from any release

osu!lazer (a PC game), for example, took years to optimize

Until they finally integrated Metal

[balmy shell]

How far?

[stark silo]

I'll tell you when it's ready when I can hold my iPad without cooking my hands

💀

[balmy shell]

Dude it’s not that hot💀

[stark silo]

My iPad pausing charging, eating 1% every 15 seconds and dimming itself twice begs to differ

This happens more frequently on Android converted worlds which makes sense

The 1% eaten every 15 seconds is a telltale sign that iOS is f a r from optimally optimized

at least with the beta i have dollar store vrcx on my iphone xr

[balmy shell]

I want and need the beta

[stark silo]

Need seems like a stretch
Everyone here wants the taste of the beta but its really nothing special
If you've played the desktop version it's about the same, but you're locked to Android/Quest and iOS contents

They're just prioritizing people who make avis and worlds atm

[balmy shell]

Ofc they do

[lofty ember]

guess i should use my free time to make avis

[warm chasm]

Are we talking unlocked fps? Cause that makes sense

[stark silo]

I mean it isn't hard when you understand Unity's basic layout for VRC's SDK
You just need to be comfortable with what'll seem like a shitstorm if it's your first time

[stark silo]

Yeppers

[warm chasm]

How much FPS is it getting

[stark silo]

On average I get about 100-120 on my M2

But usually I'll slice it to 40FPS, but I lock it to 60 when I project to a TV

[warm chasm]

How’s the thermals when locked

[stark silo]

Honestly, not too bad but it definitely still cranks up some heat

[warm chasm]

Cause unlocked will just push the hardware to whatever the highest it can achieve

Without any active cooling solutions the thing will get hot no matter what

[stark silo]

Yeah the game is surprisingly optimized enough to even PUSH past 70FPS

[warm chasm]

Idk if I’d blame the M2 chip for that though

[stark silo]

Apple explaining why an AI chip is more important than a micro sized fan for the next iPad

I think it's more the battery that's hot

Cause while the M2 is super efficient, in terms of mobile batteries it seems to be a different story

[bold elm]

vrchat beta instantly crashes as soon as I log in
Macbook Air m3 8GB, MacOS Sequoia 15.3.1

[bold elm]

how do I do it

[cloud vapor]

you can't anymore, i suggest deleting it from the mac

[pure rune]

Just click reopen a couple times on the crash dialog, and when it asks you if you want to reopen windows because last time you started the program it didn't close properly, tell it to don't reopen. It should open the 2D UI where you can go to profile ➜ settings, then untoggle the preload.

—
If they removed Mac access again though there's not much to do.

Generally speaking, unless Unity fixes a long standing bug/oversight, or VRChat's team goes through the painstaking work of trying to reverse engineer Unity code to patch it, the 3D client won't work on Mac from the iOS build.

Unity, for some reason, still detects that it's a Mac, even inside iOS apps where it's supposed to be detected as an iPad. This causes crashes and unspecified behaviors.

[marsh glade]

What turbed into the thing randomizing avatars on and off in a couple days turned into have only avatars off

[slim pebble]

Oh man I applied when this first came out and I work for Apple lol

[dawn crescent]

Even I phones overheat

[stark silo]

well yeah, it’s a mobile device, i’d argue they’re probably more prone to heating than ipads
Though I can’t really say if that’s truly the case for all iPhones since I got an XR which gets HOT when I browse reddit on a sunny day

even my psvita turns into a warm slice of toast playing god eater with clock speeds maxxed

[misty anchor]

The Quest Pro does have 12GB of RAM from knowledge (I don't have the quest pro but just mentioning this headset)

[stark silo]

💀
But yeah, it does say it has 12GB, but then again the Quest Pro was dummy expensive and they killed it not over 3 years after release.

The Vision Pro made the Quest Pro look like a bargain for a microsecond though

[warm chasm]

The market for the Quest Pro were for people who already had a shit load of money, so they'd already have a PC anyway. There wasn't much of a playerbase who exclusively used a QPro on Standalone

[stark silo]

Honestly, fair. I seriously don't know who Oculus was even marketing it to. Businesses? Hardcore users?

[warm chasm]

Businesses mainly which was a disappointing market as society was already out of lockdown anyway

could've been a dope consumer focused headset if they sealed the LED boards incase of moisture (https://docs.vrcft.io/docs/hardware/vr/meta/quest-pro/other-info/quest-pro-dead-ft#issue-analysis)

[solemn cosmos]

Do the people with beta access get anything special like a badge or something on their profile??

[warm chasm]

Currently, no

[solemn cosmos]

How about in the future? Cause Iv got beta access

Iv had it a while

[quick lodge]

I thought the beta would be in the App Store, but it's in TestFlight 🤦‍♂️ I wanted to ask if maybe in the very near future we could disable something that makes it possible to see "very poor avatars"

It would be good... I think.. It would definitely crash, but it's a risk, right lol

[warm chasm]

You can already see 4 Very Poor avatars at a time, and VRChat can't publish a "beta" on the App Store as apple doesn't allow that

[quick lodge]

I also wanted to ask if in the future you could add some shader option or something like that (like on the PC) for mobiles, it's just that the cell phones are getting very powerful, I know 😔 they don't reach the feet of the PC, but it's a risk that the user would have to crash, like "activate, but possibly it will crash" 💁

Or... That's not in the plans 🙈

[warm chasm]

Toon Standard which was just added is pretty powerful

[stark silo]

Far from any plans, unfortunately
Shaders are way more intensive on hardware than you'd think
Think of it like taking a lot of pamphlets from a convention, but you forgot your bag, so you only have your hands; eventually you'll have too many pamphlets and samples you're gonna drop some of em
Same goes for shaders, if they allowed custom shaders, have an egg ready to cook on your phone

[stark silo]

I heard it was still pretty unoptimized?

It's getting there but still laggy for some users

[quick lodge]

So far it's looking good, being able to see up to 4 Very Poor avatars and with good graphics... with "pretty powerful" do you say beautiful or optimized? Or both?

[stark silo]

Probably talking about how much potential it has in terms of usage

Usually refers to the advanced things you can do with something

[quick lodge]

So standard and optimized graphics

No water moving when you walk? 😧

[sturdy cargo]

4 very poor avatars is an acceptable compromise to be shown for both ios and android mobile. Took 17 months, but the devs listened.

[tulip raptor]

Is vrchat on iOS

[cloud vapor]

no

[rough barn]

Glad I’m not the only one who wanted to say that 😅

[next fox]

bruh I just want access to the iOS beta

Oh

Mb

[steel fossil]

sorry, but that is not possible at the moment. Go complain to Apple and tell them that all apps in Test Flight need an increased limit on testers.

[night cloak]

Toon Standard performs roughly the same or better than Standard lite with all of its features enabled

[pure rune]

A bigger problem would be compatibility.

Not all platforms share the same set of shader features. This is an issue world developers already have to face, where shaders either render incorrectly on Quest (due to OpenGL bugs in Android), or not at all (giving that signature "neon pink" missing material look).

And it's even weirder with Metal, the rendering API on Apple platforms (think like how Windows has DirectX). Even though Metal supports a wide array of features, Unity does not take advantage of everything, and there are some features the version of Metal Unity 2022 uses just cannot do, let alone Metal in general.

It's also greatly dependent on hardware. E.G. M3 & A17 Pro wer the first chips to support Ray Tracing in their hardware. The M4 added "mesh shader" support. What device you have will dictate the available features.

Keeping mobile/standalone shaders limited means that every platform can see the same avatars.

This isn't an issue on PC because, well, every PC user is using the same APIs and similar hardware.

It's like Java Minecraft vs Bedrock Minecraft. The former is the all extensible, forever moddable, unlimited potential Minecraft landlocked to PC & Mac. Bedrock is the lightly moddable, more curated experience, but broadly accessible cross-platform experience for everyone else.

[pure rune]

TBF I don't think Apple anticipated TestFlight being used for wide-sweeping public betas. 10,000 people is a lot of people to be testing an app already.

Though, also TBF Apple does now do their own public betas so maybe there's no excuse.

[stark silo]

You'd think they would snatch the money grabbing opportunity for expansion slot plans (like $500 for an extra 2500 users or smth)

[steel fossil]

or like 100$ per extra 10k slots

[stark silo]

100 dollars? But think of Tim Apple's money! (/s)

Realistically it would probs be like an annual charge

[steel fossil]

10k slots are like nothing when it comes to testers so 100$ per 10k slots is reasonable.

[stark silo]

Thinking about it now, I can kinda see your point
I have seen some instances where people have this weird workaround of creating separate testing apps but they're the same apps, just labelled under cohorts, but I'm not really sure how that works since I don't dev

Still, it's weird I haven't heard Apple offer testing slot expansions up until now, it's extra money for them and less spam of the "where invite where invite"
Then again, the VRC devs probably would rather have a smaller set of testing feedback that's more useful as information over spam of "WhY tHiS nO WoRk??" on the canny

[steel fossil]

idk, both cases are good

[pure rune]

They do, technically. The Apple Developer Enterprise Program.

However, that's tailored for internal-use apps. Especially after Google & Facebook f***ed up and distributed VPN apps using it that literally decrypted all your data. Apple has been more stringent about it since then, AFAIK.

(Despite being for internal-use, Apple notes that the enterprise program is for apps that do not have its needs met by test-flight, ad-hoc distribution, etc.)

[pure rune]

I think Apple mostly wants app tests to be limited for a reason. 10k is large enough that you get a good sample size, without "damaging the brand", now that I think about it.

If anyone could get into a beta, you know there's going to be people phoning Apple, not the app developers, up for every little problem.

It already happens with the iOS public betas. "OMG THIS IS SO BROKEN". Like... yeah. It's a beta. That's the point you should be reporting this not posting this on Twitter for clout.

[stark silo]

Google and Zuccbookk did WHAT?
Where can I read on this lmao

[pure rune]

https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/30/apple-bans-facebook-vpn/
https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/30/googles-also-peddling-a-data-collector-through-apples-back-door/

Both apps had you install a "root certificate", which basically allowed the apps to snoop on encrypted (HTTPS/TLS) data sent from and received by your phone.

Normally, VPNs cannot see inside encrypted traffic, they just carry it.

[stark silo]

Letting your device spy on you for only 20 dollars is a WILD fuckin' lowball

[steel fossil]

fr

[lofty ember]

anything to get money i guess

[half monolith]

Alr I still haven’t received my beta

Mind u I signed up when I made my account and that was a year ago

[formal harness]

not everyone gets it

[half monolith]

Dang

[formal harness]

gotta wait until you’ll receive their email

[half monolith]

Oof

Thanks for the help tho

[formal harness]

do read this tho

[half monolith]

Oki

[torn peak]

there is chatter in the tech industry that apple may be buying unity

its staring to hit news sites now

https://www.techjuice.pk/is-apple-buying-unity-games-after-epic-games-legal-fiasco/amp/

[wintry bear]

there doesn't seem to be anything concrete, this stems from someone's substack opinion piece https://superjoost.substack.com/p/mobile-gamings-41-billion-reboot

[torn peak]

except that isn’t just “someone”. that is joost van dreunen and all the news sites are going to report on it.

[wintry bear]

ok? it still doesn't change that its specifically a Prediction rather than a "oh here's a memo from Apple directly"

also hello potential anti-trust violation

[cloud vapor]

Apple seems to have a gaming mid life crisis. First they bought this small developer studio , then they gonne make a steam store competitor with macOS 26 and now this rumor. While i don't trust these rumors it would make sense with all the stuff happening right now

[stark silo]

Apple's been making really weird decisions for the past few years

RE8 on iOS was cool, but it was more of a tech demo if anything (but the baby part was still terrifying as fuck on my M2)

Then we had the entire wait for No Man's Sky, and FINALLY the devs have some lead of it after 3 years of waiting

That macOS Steam competitor? Good luck, Apple, it's doomed to fail lol, nothing can top Gaben

Apple Arcade was also a weird decision overall, honestly, especially after devs are tossing their games into it as a """"Remaster""""

And I'm yet to notice any performance differences with Game Mode

I'm gonna live to see the day Apple unironically ends up featuring VRChat as a story on the App Store
Something along the lines of "Dive into the metaverse right in the palm your hand" or something

[next fox]

what is Gaben anyway?

[warm chasm]

Gabe Newell, the president/co-founder of Valve which is known for the the pc gaming storefront Steam

[next fox]

I thought that was an application of sorts

[warm chasm]

Unless Apple opens up the game porting toolkit a lot more to behave like Valve’s Proton, not much movement will be made

[stark silo]

It's a start, but they're definitely trying to keeping the walled garden mindset around

[dense stream]

Not exactly able to test what does this, but the Furality Somna Dealer’s den on iOS somehow renders over the menu?

Not sure if they have special stuff because it’s an event, or if this occurs on normal worlds. I’ll post a bug report to the site when I’m off work, just putting this here for now.

[torn peak]

is that while you are still on the train? i tried a few days ago and the app said the world was not compatible and wouldn’t let me in

[dense stream]

Yeah it’s while on the train, which iPhone are you on? Not sure if VRC on iOS does this, but it could possibly be blocked due to certain performance issues with older devices.

I’m on an iPhone 15 Pro-Max & the train scene is a struggle to run

[torn peak]

latest ipad pro. they probably hadn’t uploaded for ios yet.

[torn peak]

its a struggle to get 30fps there with a 9800x3d/7900xtx with 128g of ram and only 1 person in the instance!!!

[dense stream]

True, I tested a 3090 & i9-12900k, 32gb DDR5 & it was rough

[torn peak]

i am hopeful they will get this all straightened out by thursday lol

[dense stream]

I don’t get an auto conversion warning when joining, it also says there’s an iOS build

[dense stream]

Hopefully, especially considering the price increases. 🙏

[dense stream]

@torn peak

I still think it’s absolutely wild that iOS hasn’t gotten the UI refresh that android did.

Pretty sure it’s also missing the quest for the badge

[torn peak]

oh that is definitely new

[torn peak]

it might have. from experience it takes apple a lot longer to approve updates even in test flight. google is really fast, it just has to pass a few automated tests. apple, they pretend they have to login (though i have never once in 12 years seen them actually use their login and password)

[dense stream]

Sadly there’s been multiple builds release since android got the refresh 🙏

[torn peak]

ah i was not in the knows abouts that

[dapper panther]

I think I have a bug to report my phone screen keeps flipping when I lay my phone sideways.

[harsh tapir]

iPhone works for vrchat now

[sand otter]

isn't that intentional? 😕

[dapper panther]

@sand otter not really it didn't do that before.

[sand otter]

then it sounds like they fixed a bug that prevented it before 🤔
or maybe you enabled auto-rotate 🤷
(i assume that iOS has a toggle-able "Auto-Rotate" feature, similar to Android?)

[dapper panther]

@sand otter correct.

[sand otter]

then just disable that if you don't like it 🙂👍

[dapper panther]

@sand otter I did but it's still doing it though.

[sand otter]

you didn't mention that originally, then that is a bug 😮
i suggest you make a bug report about it, here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/ios-mobile-beta

[broken gorge]

Can i download the ios without any progress?

[candid shale]

Man, this whole "xxxOS 26" seems like a really stupid decision

[cloud vapor]

True, why not 25 like samsung

Or ya know 19 like a normal company

[fluid shadow]

Pretty sure this convo is not for this channel since this just for test discussion

[cloud vapor]

Alrighty ^w^

[stray shore]

A person wanted to know if their avatars were compatible with iOS and working, but I couldn't display it...

I have already managed to display certain iOS avatars, others not.

[noble oar]

Would VRC run adequately on the M1 iPad Pro?

[stark silo]

I've seen users report it runs pretty nicely on the M1 considering it's the M series, it runs really smoothly on my M2 (which is only about 15% more powerful)

Full 120hz too, even has widescreen externa monitor support

[simple parcel]

Can i play vrchat on a iphone 11

[warm chasm]

VRChat requires phones with 6gb of RAM or higher, basically any phone in the signup form (newer devices can of course run it)

[misty anchor]

It would/should run smoothly on an M1 iPad Pro. It runs smoothly (most of the time on my iPhone 12 Pro, Depending on world and amount of players in the instance {and their avatars if it loads} along with phone temperature too (with an A14 [and 6GB of RAM]))

[pure rune]

https://issuetracker.unity3d.com/issues/underlying-macos-platform-is-incorrectly-detected-when-running-ios-apps-on-apple-silicon-macs-via-native-subsystem

Welp, there's a chance Unity might fix this now. Which would mean the 3D client would no longer crash on Mac.

[harsh tapir]

So u cant run vrchat on ios

[pure rune]

On M-series Macs.

On any compatible iPhone or iPad, yes, you can.

Macs with M-series chips can run iOS apps natively, but it lies to the iOS app and says it's running on an iPad Pro.

But a bug with Unity causes it to detect it's on a Mac anyway, despite being on iOS. This causes crashes, bugs, & missing features.

[harsh tapir]

Can u send me the vrchat thingy then so i can run it on my ios

[pure rune]

Literally check the pinned message.

[harsh tapir]

Where is it

[pure rune]

#ios-discussion message

TL;DR:

• Beta signups are closed
• There's a long waitlist

Apple only lets 10,000 people test TestFlight betas at a time, and VRChat for iOS is not ready for release on the store.

[harsh tapir]

Ok

[young shale]

might've already been said but is there a time frame for ios release?

[toxic zenith]

@coarse whale make it run on 3gb ram devices (8x8 texture quality,100 poligon models)

[cloud vapor]

3? Lolol

[static gulch]

How do I join the beta

[stark silo]

How about we run VRC on the PSVita while we’re at it

[coarse crane]

How do I do the signup again?

[teal iron]

Why have the little banner at the top saying iOS Beta Testing is available if it’s not anymore

[opal tinsel]

Oh no

[sand otter]

then signup isn't closed? 🤷
but the waiting list is still long

[cinder parcel]

Cant wait for full release, probably not but I wonder if we’ll SOMEHOW get a console version. Probably impossible but I wouldn’t know since im not a developer or anything

[stark silo]

Good luck somehow getting that ESRB rated for consoles
It would be funny to play Instagib Tournament as a Velle on a PS5 though

[nocturne mica]

I would like to be a tester for a apple 16

[true cargo]

did you not read the pinned message

[nocturne mica]

Yes

[cloud vapor]

damn the apple 16? did not knew apple continued the apple 2 lineup xD

[remote vale]

I dont see the ios thing in the vrc home

[nocturne mica]

What is worng with the apple 16

[cloud vapor]

i never said it's wrong but i think you need to remember to use the right name for what i assume is iPhone 16? Apple used to have a product in the early days of Apple in the late 70's called Apple I and Apple II

[nocturne mica]

Oh

Yeah I mean to say was iPhone 16

[cloud vapor]

it's fine ^w^ but you gotta go to the link in the pinned tab and request to be part of the test, the iPhone 16 was not out when this was made so just say iphone 15. then wait ^w^

[stark silo]

this took me way longer than i feel like it should've

[low cliff]

When is VRchat releasing the IOS update?

[rough barn]

Your mom

[sand otter]

"when it is ready" is the only thing we can tell you... since literally no one knows yet 🤷

[prisma lichen]

well, Apple Vision is going to have support with PSVR 2 controllers

[fluid shadow]

Time to install iOS/iPadOS 26 and see how everything works

[junior girder]

Does the latest iOS build have the newest iteration of Toon Standard?

Definitely not

[fluid shadow]

It does atleast for me

My avi is built with them

[ornate sundial]

yo is this on the iphone XR

[junior girder]

No

[junior girder]

Yeah it works, but it’s not the latest version

I reported and got a lot of bugs with specularity known and fixed, and those fixes seemingly aren’t live on iOS yet

[ornate sundial]

it literally says its on iphone XR why say no?

[junior girder]

Because it isn’t, iPhone XR doesn’t have enough ram

[simple parcel]

What about iphone 11?

[sand otter]

not on the list: #ios-discussion message
so it likely doesn't have enough RAM or something 🤷

[cloud vapor]

reading is hard these days don't you think?..

[rough barn]

Why read when you can ask in a chat and… read…

[cloud vapor]

task failed successfully xDDD

[stark silo]

Tester with an XR here, you can only access VRC as a social page, like the website but objectively worse at its current stage

Think of it as a shitty VRCX 😭

[rigid fossil]

I’d love to see this game become an app to play the game like they did with rec room

[rough barn]

I… what? You do play the game with ios beta lmao

[rigid fossil]

I haven’t played the game on iOS

[stark silo]

That's because it's a selective closed beta atm

The list of people ahead in line is probably around the 20k-50k mark

[pearl nymph]

gimme beta

[potent comet]

Is it on 13? Haven’t seen it

[stark silo]

iirc on the 13 Pro Max

[potent comet]

Dang

[uneven star]

When will Beta reopen for apps?

[sand otter]

they usually recycle old inactive testers out and replace them with new testers every two months or so... but the waiting list is long, as the bot says, some users have waited more than 6 months 🤷

[uneven star]

Ahh ok

[vital brook]

please bring back ios

[true cargo]

it never left?

[vital brook]

oh well i signed up for it and they never reached back

[rough barn]

Yeah I think they filled all their slots so they only have new ones when they remove old ones, which means people get let in verrrry slowly and rarely

[stark silo]

^

Wait why did it reply to the wrng thing

[stark silo]

here we are

[worn nebula]

As far as I know b club works on iOS… with significant shader glitches but it works.

[autumn quail]

Will there be VR chat in iPhone 11?

Is it on iPhone 11?

[rough barn]

what the huh

[nocturne mica]

When is iPhone 16 going to have vrchat it has been taken forever

[pure rune]

No one reads the pinned. 🤦

[stark silo]

take a shot for every time the bot triggers

[split ore]

any guidelines when making a world iOS-compatible?

[pure rune]

Same guidelines as making a world Android & Quest compatible.

It's like Minecraft Bedrock vs Java. You have Java on PC, and Bedrock... everywhere else.

So you have guidelines for PC... and guidelines for everything else (lol).

[cloud vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/blind-velma-scooby-doo-looking-for-glasses-glasses-gif-4538967983907189666

[rough barn]

Remember that players are using a phone to play so if you’re building support for IOS you may need to mess with controls to make sure phone users can do what you want people to do in your world

[split ore]

I'll see what can be done with this once the beta is over. Ty! 🙏

[sturdy cargo]

Phone support for both phone platforms apply @rough barn

[pure rune]

iOS can also use controllers (Switch, XBOX, PS4/5) and iPadOS can use keyboard & mouse. But you should design for all controls in mind ideally.

[fluid shadow]

Either I am blind or have they fixed the random logouts that occurs? I have changed IPs and such so many times this past week (mobile carrier, my dads place, my own place) and have not gotten that in a long time. Usually I could trigger it my just going from home wifi to mobile carrier

[rough barn]

Seems less for me in editor with the SDK too, I used to have to give the 2fa code every time I re-enabled my hotspot and signed in each day but lately it just works without the code

[torn peak]

you are safe with the android requirements being compiled to ios. you can get away with a lot more and can experiment, unfortunately we are still constrained by the 100mb compressed size limit so don’t go too far even if it can handle it.

[ocean shell]

Is this a known bug? Friends being duplicated

[sand otter]

did they forget an "order by" again? seen that happen a few different places over the years 😅
your best bet is likely to just make a bug report about it, and then they can merge them if they already have one for it 🤷
you make a bug report here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/ios-mobile-beta

[ocean shell]

Thanks!

[fluid shadow]

Already reported by me months ago

[onyx stratus]

It does

Hey y’all

Any ideas for me to create stuff for iOS

Cuz I’m bored

[nocturne mica]

What so iPhone 16 has vrchat

[onyx stratus]

Every iPhone I think iPhone 12 and up can run VRChat

I have an iPhone 16 Pro Max and an iPhone 15 Pro Max

[nocturne mica]

I don’t see it

[onyx stratus]

Both run VRChat

[onyx stratus]

What do you mean

It’s a closed beta

Are you in the program?

[nocturne mica]

Nope

[onyx stratus]

Oh

Then you have to be in the program to have access

[rough barn]

So many people here can’t read it’s insane 💀

[sand otter]

same way you do for Quest/Android, you just need to build it for iOS too, similarly to how you need to build specifically for the Android platform... only difference is that, as far as i know, there are no differences in the limitations when compared to the Android platform 🤔
i basically just had to build/upload the Quest/Android version of my avatar with the iOS build process and it worked 😅

[tough rivet]

Asking*

[sturdy cargo]

I have yet to find an ios user who isn't playing on pc at the time. But never got denied the ios side when I uploaded the android side.

[cloud vapor]

petition to only respond to people that read the neon signs in this channel?

[stark silo]

I have access to all three platforms (PC, Quest, iOS), did ya want someone to test something?

[sturdy cargo]

Just some avatars to see if they are pink, or do they show up like the Quest side

[cloud vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-gauntlet-avengers-gif-13826607

[stark silo]

You should’ve seen me running VRC on the PSVita 😭 😭 😭 😭

(Wifi sucks so the stream also sucked)

[stark silo]

I could help with that in a few hours if you want, if they’re public I can do that now

[sturdy cargo]

I have two publics that are ios compatible, but you can search my name via prismics

Same name here

[stark silo]

Gotcha, I’ll DM you exactly what I see

[sturdy cargo]

I have only 6 publics on that search anyways

[stark silo]

@sturdy cargo Can’t send a dm, but it loads alright from the get go assuming these are your’s

[sturdy cargo]

Thank you so much

Glad very poors are working on ios too with the 4 max limit

Been testing android mobile myself since August 2023

[stark silo]

My Velle works like a charm so you can say that again
I literally can't be wearing any other avi since she suits me well 😭 😭 😭

[sturdy cargo]

Been thru the wearing avi, can't wear avi but only fallback, wearing imposter, can't wear avi but fallback, go thru website or another platform to wear avi but only fallback, to the testing of very poor avi, and finally can wear avi.

The fallback you used affected the position of every part of your avi on the Quest and PC side

[dense stream]

Just noticed while comparing iOS and android that iOS uses the background picture that people set, instead of the circle one as the profile pictures.

For these

[sturdy cargo]

When selecting your friends' circles, you get the background when selecting each profile

[dense stream]

The circles are the background instead the intended picture.

[sand otter]

i am sorry... i can't help it... i like trying to help people... 😓
and to be fair, the community FAQ post is written kinda weirdly, so it doesn't immediately answer most common questions 😖

[sand otter]

you might wanna make a bug report about it, rather than just post it here 😅
even better if you can link to the bug report when mentioning it here, so people can up-vote it 🙂
bug reports for iOS should be made here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/ios-mobile-beta

[dense stream]

assumed it's probably not a bug and just a design choice

[sand otter]

easiest way to find out which, would be to make a bug report? 🤔
not sure... you are right that it might make more sense, since the icons are round

[cloud vapor]

And helping is very kind!

[night apex]

Bro i have x s max

Wat do i do

I have old phone:(

Dis mean

[light gazelle]

Yo how do I get the iOS version of vrchat there is no part of the banner

[night apex]

U gotta apply

[light gazelle]

Ok

[light gazelle]

How do I apply

[warm chasm]

Applications were almost a year ago at this point. Apple's TestFlight programs can only hold 10,000 people, VRChat cannot publish it to the App Store in a Beta or pre-release state

[light gazelle]

Still my friend got it yesterday

[cloud vapor]

i'm sorry for your loss

[stark silo]

You get NVIDIA GeForce NOW as your option

[night apex]

Thx

[warm pivot]

Can I get the open beta I have the 14

[sand otter]

it is in closed beta, so no

[warm pivot]

Oh

[fast surge]

i can’t wait if vrchat comes to apple or not

[stark silo]

atp we should just direct people to geforce now if waiting to play ios is their primary goal lol

[quartz robin]

Speaking of! Is there any way to update my device bucket?

[quartz robin]

Yyyyyyes, generally

Oh you know what- yall don't list the 16 lol... Maybe belay that bucket change

[wanton ridge]

I hope I can eventually test

I remember applying for the beta a while ago

[sand otter]

as the @unkempt zinc says, some people have been waiting more than 6 months... so don't hold your breath

[glossy cove]

I can’t wait for it to be on ios it’ll be cool

[woven socket]

heeeeeey question how do you join the IOS beta

[cloud vapor]

step 1: read step 2: profit

[fluid shadow]

I am here again asking to make this read only for non-beta users, read + write for beta users

[woven socket]

Yeah yeah I know I’m slow mister underpants gnome

It’s just I’m a bit… dyslexic and needed guidance

[cloud vapor]

You join the link in pinned, select your device (anything newer then list is automatically latest devices on list) then wait until GTA6 is released for your vrchat ios beta invite link

[woven socket]

lol!

[unreal bluff]

I love how 90% of the chat here is telling people to read the pin, even with a pin message bot. Lmao

[sand otter]

then people would just be asking in all other channels though... and it is not like VRChat even has a link between your Discord account and your VRChat account, so they don't actually know who would need access 😖
i would rather suggest that a better FAQ be added to #ios-info... explaining that the closed beta is limited in number of testers and that the waiting list is literally 6+ months because they have to cycle out inactive testers 🤷
also a clear note saying that there is no planned release date yet... 😓

[stark silo]

we should just react with the nvidia logo to anyone desperate to play vrc on ios using geforce now

[cloud vapor]

Remind me of the baby boomers asking me how to switch hdmi channels, no matter how often i explain thwy always ask it again.

[cloud vapor]

There lol

[stray shore]

The game does not want me to take photos.

[sand otter]

interesting, you might want to extract your logfile of that session and then make a bug report 🤔
bug reports are made here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/ios-mobile-beta

[stray shore]

[pearl nymph]

my phone is like iPhone 11 but it’s runs perfect

[pearl nymph]

But it’s runs pretty good

[hybrid creek]

Forgive me if this has been asked before, but will there be a progress report of sorts on the development of the iOS version at some point? It's been a while since anything about it has been shared with the VRC community.

[stark silo]

Honestly this would be a pretty cool idea to have by August, would give a lot of people an idea of how been going since the Beta launched for iOS a year ago
I would imagine it was far more atrocious back then

[hybrid creek]

Yeah, I don't mind if development takes a while (what doesn't take time these days?). A release date doesn't even need to be mentioned, but I'd love to hear what sorts of things have been ironed out and what still needs work.

[stark silo]

Really the thing that impresses me the most is the optimization so far
I was expecting horrific Quest 2-like performance on iOS even for my M2, but instead I get a smooth 120hz experience
...at the cost of being able to fry an egg on that FPS mode

[hybrid creek]

I think that's just how mobile gaming is on most devices. An old Iphone of mine would shut itself off from overheating after about 5 minutes of playing Genshin Impact. X_X

[formal cobalt]

Does iOS not have the new update I can’t find the inventory system? (Also why is this update delayed for iOS, it used to get updates with other devices around the same time)

[cloud vapor]

the update is only for android, the ios version just updates randomly so a random Tuesday will give you this update.

[amber hamlet]

is there any way to apply at the moment

[lavish jungle]

I’m.. not even using the app 😭 ??

[stark silo]

You’ve heard of phantom touch
You’ve heard of Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
Now get ready for

P H A N T O M C R A S H I N G

[lavish jungle]

[stray shore]

I already received this message even though I hadn't started the game.

[torn peak]

ios starts apps in the background that have a background process or have been approved for certain notifications. they are started and then hibernated. then at certain intervals in time they are woken up for 30 seconds to perform any tasks they need to do. apple is very vague on this process as they do not want it exploited by developers.

you can see it in action by looking at all the open apps running right now by swiping up. on my phone i even see the podcast app running even though i have never use the app in my life.

[stray shore]

I see

[stark silo]

Does this mean the beta has background app refresh or something?

Or is it just when you leave the app without closing it?

[torn peak]

it might. it could also mean a notification activated the background worker. or it could have just been left open.

easiest way to find out is to reboot your phone, wait about 10 minutes, and look at all the apps that are open

[knotty saddle]

What?

[harsh tapir]

Vrc ios a thing finally

[sand otter]

at least the Android app has notifications, such as when a group makes a post or you receive an invite... even when i ain't using the app... i assume it is just that background process you are seeing here too 🤷
but i guess something is making it crash on the iOS app 😅

[stark silo]

When you bring that up, yeah, that seems to make sense now
I get notifs on both my XR (no, VRChat's actual game DOES NOT run on the XR, for future readers) and M2 iPad whenever I get notifications on my acc
So I suppose your thoughts about something within the background of the app might be causing it to crash, probably an iOS service thing

Wouldn't be surprised if it's some OS service issue since maybe VRC sends notifications differently compared to other multiplatform apps like bluesky and stuff

[warm pine]

Hi, I never noticed, but did iOS ever get these badge challenges? I don’t remember seeing them

[harsh tapir]

@stray shore was this a long time ago or is this recent

[stray shore]

Well, it's recent otherwise I would have sent it much earlier.

In general, when I encounter a problem, I post it here to see if other people have it too.

[harsh tapir]

Do yk how to get it

[stray shore]

the game or the bug?

[harsh tapir]

Game

[stray shore]

You had to register for the iOS beta on the VRC website (I don't think it's still possible at the moment) then you had to wait for an invitation to access the game via Test Fly. The time to receive an invitation can be very long. On my side, I waited 6 months to receive it.

[harsh tapir]

Ya i got that

Ive been waiting for months

[stray shore]

you have no choice but to wait for the moment the only way to have access to the games on ios is to use nvidia ge force now the experience with the touch screen is not better than the mobile version of the games but at least you have access to the pc version of the games (to be avoided with mobile data)

[harsh tapir]

Dont i have to do it on pc

[stark silo]

What they're saying is there's a game streaming service by NVIDIA (GeForce NOW) that recently (re-added) support for VRC
The experience is just like playing on desktop but with an Xbox controller, you also have the added benefit of being able to play PC worlds but you only get 1 hour per session (not to be confused with per day, you can play multiple times a day as you wish) as a free user

The actual sign ups might be closed atm just due to the extremely long lineup

I waited about 6-7 months before I could get my hands on access to the beta
It's not all too exciting, to tell you the truth, but there's plenty of bugs to be had and found

[harsh tapir]

The ok

Sure

[scenic elbow]

Hello! Would anyone be up for helping test some content on iOS?

[harsh tapir]

Ya

[scenic elbow]

Specifically, this world. I've been working on shaders for fake bloom/volumetrics using framebufferfetch, I'm curious to see whether the auto-conversion from Android breaks things
https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_905dafd4-f76f-43fb-94fa-9d124e99be70

[stark silo]

Gotchu covered, what exactly do you wanna see tested exactly?

[harsh tapir]

Ok

[scenic elbow]

Thanks a ton! Just some screenshots should be fine. The world has a few toggles for different visual effects

[harsh tapir]

Do u have to have vrchat ios

[stark silo]

They're looking for VRC iOS testers ye

[harsh tapir]

I wanna

[stark silo]

Pinned post, tomodachi, bot's kindly talking to ya

[harsh tapir]

Where

[stark silo]

@scenic elbow what do ya wanna see toggled here?

ooookay grayscale turnedmy screen fully gray LMAO

[scenic elbow]

Ah dear. That's... definitely broken x3

[stark silo]

What have you done
You have made me legally blind, illegally

[scenic elbow]

Uh oh... do your menus work?

[stark silo]

Which menus, like quick menu and etc?

Ye those work, but this same issue is actually present in prison escape too

[scenic elbow]

Right, gotcha

[stark silo]

Prison Escape's shaders for blackouts have this exact same issue

Alphas seem to be broken on iOS atm

[scenic elbow]

Yeah, I had a feeling the auto-convertion process wouldn't like framebuffer fetch

[harsh tapir]

@stark silo if i make like a new vrchat acc will the sign up thing pop up

[stark silo]

Please read the pinned post. New accounts would be considered lower priority and have a lesser chance of being selected. I'm not going to repeat myself again~

[stark silo]

A lot of worlds that seem to use whatever shader you're using for this grayscale thing seem to have problems in regards to alpha channels
Like they'll just appear fully opaque

[scenic elbow]

Right, that's interesting

For reference, this is what the world should look like

[stark silo]

On the bright side, your cloth physics work?

[stark silo]

god damn that looks really clean wtf

ain't no way i got smacked with the ps2 port of your world 😭

[scenic elbow]

Thank you! I've been excited to dabble with programmable blending, given how widely supported it is on mobile devices

[stark silo]

Looks a little doughy to me but it's honestly impressive that it's not too rigid, even for autoconversion

Big props, happy to test

k so that'll be 5 costco hotdogs for my services

[scenic elbow]

I miiight upload an iOS-friendly version under a different blueprint ID to see if it's specifically the auto-conversion borking things. Feel free to test if you're still keen, but fair enough if you're busy!

[stark silo]

Nah, you just ping me down here when you need some more testing down, I'm open to do whatever beta testing people need to make their worlds cross compatible

since i know it's a pain in the ass to make things compatible to begin with and i don't even know how to use unity well

[scenic elbow]

I appreciate the help! 💙

Thankfully iOS's graphics api seems to work similarly to opengl es, so I'm hoping most of the issues are with the auto-conversion process

[stark silo]

I would at least imagine if you somehow utilized MetalAPI or any of Apple's native libraries you could get really good optimization

VRC's Beta as it is turns my iPad into a frying pan

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1375752410680659981/1386917681269309450/VelleFuckThisS.gif

[scenic elbow]

@stark silo ah, there we are!
https://vrchat.com/home/launch?worldId=wrld_905dafd4-f76f-43fb-94fa-9d124e99be70

[stark silo]

What terrible timing, i just logged on into PCVR

I'll give you an insight as to how it looks on iOS maybe tomorrow in the morning

[scenic elbow]

no worries! I appreciate the help you've provided regardless ^^

[opal tinsel]

When is beta opening again? I have been playing VRC since 2019, I would appreciate an invitation to iOS test 🥲

[stray shore]

I hate it when games have a visual bug that makes the game unplayable, it prevents me from seeing my friends. Usually when this happens, I try my best to contact the creator and have them upload it on iOS.

[stark silo]

Testing done, added notes on each image

[scenic elbow]

Looks like everything is working as intended. Thanks again for the help! <3

[stark silo]

[scenic elbow]

Uh oh. Some of the effect toggles might not have worked correctly, only checking the conditional for UNITY_ANDROID

Just to confirm, did the tone mapping toggle look something like this?

[round current]

out of curiosity, what is the difference between framebufferfetch and the GrabPass directive?

[marsh forge]

how do you get the badge for completing the hero challenges?

??????

help pls

[sand otter]

are the badges on the iOS version? thought it was only the Android version 🤔
but to answer your question, you just complete the challange 🤷

[marsh forge]

What challenge?

[sand otter]

if you don't see the challenge in the app, then you can't get it currently... 😐
example:

• #android-discussion message
• #android-discussion message

[marsh forge]

Thank you 🙏

[scenic elbow]

GrabPass works through copying the contents of the screen into another texture, allowing you to do things such as sample that texture with displaced clip coordinates for water effects, blurring and such

Framebuffer fetch is a bit more like a programmable way of doing colour blending. You don't get a texture to sample, rather the fragment shader gives you the rgba values of pixels behind the object being drawn. You can then write to those RGBA values as you see fit.

If you wanted to do a grayscale effect with fbf, you'd do something like this

It's more limited than GrabPass, but extremely cheap compared to waiting for screen-wide texture copies on low-bandwidth mobile hardware

And as a plus, all you need is a single mesh with one -massive- triangle that covers the entire screen :P

[round current]

Oh that's interesting, I was about to ask if that means tonemapping would be possible, but then I scrolled up and saw you had that on the list of post processing effects

[scenic elbow]

Yep! Tone mapping with LUTs is fairly easy to pull off with fbf, you just need a Tex2DArray to store the third channel ^^

[round current]

I'm a sucker for ACES on dark worlds and the fact post processing wasn't available for mobile sucked, do you have plans to release these effects at any point?

[scenic elbow]

I plan to release them at some point in future, yes. The issue I'm focusing on now is making sure the fake bloom prepass effect works in any world, without relying on the creator manually setting things up in their world

I'd like it to automatically use the world's reflection probe bounds with a wizard that 'installs' the effect

[round current]

oh I see, I was wondering how you went about bloom since it typically would require knowing the value of surrounding pixels which wouldn't be possible with frame buffer fetch

[scenic elbow]

Yeah, that's why I'm relying on sampling a reflection probe at a lower mip level to achieve the same downsampling effect. If the room lends itself well to AABB parallax-corrected reflections, it works fairly well to approximate bloom?

Though it's far from perfect. And currently requires considerable setup on the world creator's part

[round current]

Sounds like a good way of going about it given the limitations, it's a lot better than the current bloom, which is none at all

[scenic elbow]

I suppose it is :p

[stark silo]

anmeire on their way to bring rtx to ios

[split ore]

I am very interested in this!

[dusty mantle]

Im trying to sign up for ios thing but dont see the banner

[solemn marten]

When is vrchat going to be on iOS

[stray shore]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/803067281621516289/809766127067856926/image0.gif

No one knows when the public version will be available but I'm sure it will be released unexpectedly.

[stark silo]

After GTA VI

[stray shore]

is very possible 😂

[scenic elbow]

Aaand there we are. I'll still need to LUT-ify the effect, but the world should now have a mobile/quest-compatible ACES curve

I fear it's getting a little off-topic here, so I'll ease off the updates

[stark silo]

nahhhh they actually brought rtx to ios vrc before gta 6 😭

[stray shore]

[quartz topaz]

So like what happened here

There’s an update nvm

[indigo void]

uh hey guys, I don’t have vrchat on the App Store. Help 😞💔

[stray shore]

My game still works on my side

[stray shore]

Normal is not available on the Apple Store at the moment.

[quartz topaz]

I had to update it. I didn’t have auto update on

[stray shore]

À ok

[onyx stratus]

Is there a way to get video players to work at all

[cloud vapor]

Yes but my lawyer said no comment

[onyx stratus]

Plz help me I just wanna watch YouTube with my friend

[cloud vapor]

i can't give you what you ask for for legal reasons, but if you join the guy's server they will bring you the pineapples

[onyx stratus]

What guy

[cloud vapor]

owner of the world? server is on the screen

[sand otter]

there is literaly a discord invite link in your picture 🤔
try going there and ask for help with how to use their video player on iOS 🤷

[onyx stratus]

Don’t gotta be rude

[sand otter]

wasn't trying to be? 😕
sorry?

[cloud vapor]

well we tried

[rough barn]

Wrong chat but they still suffered from severe blindness so it’s still hilarious 😂

It’s like people who can’t read are attracted to this channel somehow 😂 😂

[cloud vapor]

Request to add braille

[onyx stratus]

Tell me how it is clear as day that video player resources are available here

Please

[cloud vapor]

join popcorn palace server -> ask question there -> fix/answer. it's not that hard

[wispy arrow]

The app isnt on my testflight anymore

[fluid shadow]

You were either removed due inactivity or unsubbed from the beta

[wispy arrow]

ah ok

[stark silo]

do any video players have audio now? last time I ever tried it, only the video stream worked but audio was borked

[cloud vapor]

on ios? never tried but if you want i can try some out tomorrow? ^w^

[stark silo]

Nah I might try it out myself in a bit, the last time I tried I was helping Anon from ProTV test some stuff but colours were highly saturated and the audio was unavailable

Was busy at the time i asked

[vestal gull]

Hey how can I request playing the beta of vrc, I requested in the pass but they didn’t respond

Oh nvm

[stark silo]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-27377993

[formal cobalt]

Still holding out hope for an iOS inventory… one day my dream will come true.

[opal tinsel]

Does that mean new players will be allowed to join?

[fluid shadow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[opal tinsel]

Are you in the beta?

[fluid shadow]

I am yes. In the first wave from almost a year ago

[opal tinsel]

Can your just check my DM for a second please, I want to just try something

[opal tinsel]

How did you request

[vestal gull]

It never happened, just read the click here thing

[opal tinsel]

Can’t I just pay to get the entry? :<

I would pay thousands of dollars if needed just to get the access

But unfortunately that’s not an option 😔

[rough barn]

Probably cuz it’s unfair for the folks who can’t pay anything for it, and if they let people pay for it they may get a bunch of people who don’t feel obligated to report any bugs since they already paid

[opal tinsel]

Nah, I would still report bugs.
I have experience in CBT, I was one of few people who got to test Genshin Impact back in mainland China before it’s release, even testing VALORANT mobile rn

[fluid shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-and-and-okay-gif-20619947

[opal tinsel]

Why can’t I just buy access to it

Isn’t that what money is for

To buy stuff

[fluid shadow]

No. You will have to wait your turn or get invited. Its that simple

[opal tinsel]

Can’t I just pay to be invited or can’t I just pay someone who is invited to get access?

[fluid shadow]

No as invite is tied to personal accounts. You just have to wait

[opal tinsel]

Yk what, fk it I’m buying an android

[stray shore]

😆

The android phone can help while waiting for the public version of ios (I use ge force now instead)

and it costs me less than just buying an android phone just for vrc

[cyan cargo]

How long does it take to get the email

[livid shuttle]

Pretty sure they just do it randomly

so theres a chance you get it and then theres a chance you don’t

I sadly havent gotten it yet

[sand otter]

some users have waited more than 6 months, as @unkempt zinc is trying to tell you

[cloud vapor]

Wow that's.. just sad

[cloud vapor]

Wait.. you would pay thousands of dollars to be in ios beta, why not spend it on a pc or quest? It doesn't make sense...

[stark silo]

choose one:
a top of the line PC and high end VR headset with accessories and other extras

access to a metaverse beta

orrrrrr even get a steam deck for a fraction of allat

[fluid shadow]

@shadow dock help plz

Tyvm :3

[cloud vapor]

Or the apple pro stand 😎

[stark silo]

even better
to hold your phone with

[nocturne mica]

When is this going to be released

It’s taking to long

[last rover]

Is the iOS beta version of VR Chat accessible on the Apple Vision Pro?

[sand otter]

is Apple Vision Pro an iPhone with more than 6 GB RAM?

[last rover]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-yes-jack-nicholson-apple-gif-16021739032502925269

[last rover]

You can access many iPhone apps on the Vision Pro

[sand otter]

definitely plenty that have asked it before, so you can seach this channel 🤷

[opal tinsel]

U expect me to carry my PC and headset + setup everywhere I go? and Quest is fine but I would rather use my phone on a public place rather then a headset

which btw, I travel alot

[stark silo]

joke went real far above 🖐️

[opal tinsel]

Any windows device without a charger is lame

[stark silo]

deck is... linux and type-c...

[opal tinsel]

is it?

sure I will consider it

[stark silo]

a deck is only like 500 bucks with upgradable storage and better capabilities than the ios beta, you said you would pay thousands for ios access

[opal tinsel]

I mean I am from hongkong, what do you expect lol

[stark silo]

oh you have have HELLA options for handheld PCs like the rog ally, no? again, barely any reason to pay thousands get a better experience than iOS' beta

[fluid shadow]

Move to #vrchat-general-1 as this channel is reserved for iOS testing

[opal tinsel]

Ok, first of all, cultural differences.
It may be normal in ur country that people are casually walking with headsets on.
not a think in hk.
secondly, convinence of having it on phone

[stark silo]

i was considering pointing it out, but to think one would go through measures like paying thousands to access the beta seemed far-fetched

yeah im moving on from the convo, i didn't say headset, i said handheld

[rough barn]

What a rollercoaster, that conversation 😂

[cloud vapor]

Yeah .. typical lol

Speaking of ios testing, it's been ages now but we still don't have the same ui as the android version, like i can't see my age verification for example. Lol

[rough barn]

Yeah ios ain’t very caught up yet

Still very much it’s own WIP thing lol

[stark silo]

You talking about the pre-game interface?

[cloud vapor]

Yeah the hub

[stark silo]

Explains why it's so barebones

[fluid shadow]

@untold cape

Bueno :3

[stark silo]

That's the 2nd day this week I'm seeing people go in here and I just find the pinned message, is there a spam bot or smth

[rough barn]

I get the same with #udon-showoff, discord needs to remove channel notifications for deleted messages but they don’t 🫠 because they’re stupid ig

[last rover]

Tbh it is a pinned message

[knotty saddle]

Never got the beta😕

Oh

[woven socket]

I forgot I signed up for this lol

I got a question can it be used on MacBooks or is it completely different

[woven socket]

I also never got a beta too

[knotty saddle]

😔

Why is vrchat doing this to us

[woven socket]

I swear I just want to play it on my MacBook

[stark silo]

Unity bug with MacOS, VRC doesn't work on macbooks due to this

[stark silo]

6+ month wait, waited around 5 and a half for mine until I finally got in since January, applied the first week the banner appeared in August
Truth be told you aren't missing much, however

[last rover]

I think the beta is strictly for the iPhones and iPads for beta.
If VRchat gets general released as an iOS app, it might work on newer Mac’s with the ARM based M series processors.

[last rover]

It’s not VRchats fault. Apple doesn’t do open beta. Only closed beta through TestFlight app.

[sand otter]

Apple has very very strict rules about how app creators can beta test their apps... VRChat literally can't do it any different, and you will have to complain to Apple ||(or just jump ship and get an Android phone instead, or a PC)||

[torn peak]

no due to a bug in unity version used. unity will just crash. that wont be an option until they are on a newer unity version (they have to jump 1 year further with unity before catalyst support exists)… i suspect, from actions they are taking, that making that switch requires killing off all worlds and avatars built on 2019 and below.

typically in software development, upgrading an sdk is all or nothing. vrchat is in a off position as all the worlds and avatars are created by users and not them. this creates a large logistical problem to make sdk jumps as the whole community must be involved.

[sturdy cargo]

I met a few who lost their 1.0 avatars when they jumped to 2.0

[rough barn]

Can’t view my badge on the profile in the companion app, unplayable!! 😤

[cyan cargo]

Vrchat yesterday was my bday could i have vrchat on iphone soon

[rigid relic]

It's been a while since the beta got updated, is anything new coming?

[stark silo]

I suspect apart from the optimizations, we might as well only see some UI updates if anything
I don't expect thing like the V-Bucks to appear until the game is released (maybe a year from now at least considering VRC's optimization hell)

[rough barn]

But… vrchat already has an in game currency you can purchase? 🤔 isn’t that basically v bucks?

[stark silo]

not available on ios

[rough barn]

Oh yeah nothing’s available on iOS 😂

[stark silo]

we have uhhhhhh the ipad frying pan feature(?)

[last rover]

VRchat has to be very careful with in game currency on iOS. Apple banned epic and Fortnite from the App Store for 5 years because of v-bucks. Now that epic won the appeal, most of the players that were interested in fortnite back in the day have moved on to greener pastures.
I used to love playing fortnite on the iPad and now that it’s back I’d rather play other games

[rough barn]

But if they won the appeal then what’s the problem for VRC? 🤔

[last rover]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-kanye-ye-shrug-meme-gif-5673972712848832740

[torn peak]

the rule still remains intact that you must sell through apple, what changed is you can ALSO sell on your own store, but it must also be available through apple. so this is an additional 30% cut for apple. these things can be tricky, lots of money is involved, and it makes the entire topic a highly litigious one. I am a massive apple supporter and live in their world, but apple deserves no more than a 5% take period. they offer nothing to the sale other than a store and they are a dime a dozen now. they barely even offer any type of promotional system, it's rediculous they take that much and offer nothing.

[deft tinsel]

I just wanna play it fr

[stark silo]

as much as i'm a massive power user for their mobile hardware, i honestly gotta agree with the cuts
15% is hella massive for small indie devs too (or was it 20%?)
what gets me more is the potential their ipad lines have, the pro models have a lot of things the hardware can accomplish but they dont wanna cannibalize their mac sales loo

even then i guess I should just still be impressed by the progression in hardware over the years
we got subnautica, resident evil, VRC and other big name ports at least?

[warm chasm]

Valve already takes a 30% cut from currency purchases and VRC+ as well, VRChat just obliges with the store's conditions unlike epic did. Doubt VRChat's gonna have a issue with doing the same thing just with Apple

[marsh glade]

Uhhh yall

My video players pink

Is that normal or is it supposed to work

[stray shore]

Is your world and iOS compatible? @marsh glade

[stark silo]

Right that's fair, I forgot Steam already takes a similar cut so the nature of the entire ecosystem wouldn't be too foreign for VRC in that regard

Wouldn't expect VRC+ and Vbucks to be any different in terms of pricing (other than for regions and exchanges)

[stray shore]

I have a friend who informs me that when he uploads his world on iOS it corrupts. Does anyone know how to solve this problem?

[fluid shadow]

Already reported. https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/critical-android-quest-worlds-gets-corrupted-if-uploading-ios-version-as-well

[stray shore]

OK, so I guess it's not correctable.

[fluid shadow]

Make sure SDK is stable and not beta. I know that previous beta had this issue, then stable came out right when investating this more and it was fixed

Probably got re-introduced

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stray shore]

Ok I will inform my friend about it

[pearl nymph]

Hey so I didn’t see iPhone 16 plus on the listing but I chose 15, would I still be in it for the next send out of beta?

Like is that an issue or am I chilling

[sand otter]

that phone didn't exist when the list was made... so just pick the height or more similar option

[sand otter]

as for "the next send out of the beta", that might not be for another 6 months... as that is the average wait time 🤷
the maximum number of beta testers is very limited (because of Apple's policies)

[stark silo]

I wouldn't be surprised if that number's starting to trickle up to around 8 months atp

[pearl nymph]

Thanks!

[wet goblet]

how might join the beta

[lavish jungle]

Are hand gestures planned for this version of the game?

I never realized they weren’t a thing until I tried doing one with the R1 controller method 😭

[stark silo]

I'd imagine they'd probably implement it within the touch menu where holding the menu button brings up the gesture wheel and stuff

You could always check the canny

[lavish jungle]

I see!

[icy helm]

my only ios device is a crusty ass ipad. tbh if i had to run the pc version of it on this ipad, it would probably explode. id love to see how far its going tho, even if i cant participate

[stark silo]

tbh think of itas roblox but less optimized, it's not as extravagant as people begging for beta aremmaking it out to be but still cool that we've come far for mobile gamign

[icy helm]

i literally didnt sleep, but i still comprehended that through all the misspells... barely...

[still shoal]

Hello

[lavish jungle]

Oh hey my face mirror randomly turned on :D

[stark silo]

Probably something you’ll wanna shove onto the canny

[lavish jungle]

Perhaps yes, I’m just glad it’s finally on at all lol

[scenic sable]

When will vrc beta for iOS become a open beta?

[warm chasm]

The term “Beta” isn’t allowed in Apple’s App Store. It will have to essentially be declared a “stable” release

[scenic sable]

Ok

[quick copper]

I choose iPhone 15 bc I didn’t have 16 on the thing

[cloud vapor]

That's fine ^^

[quick copper]

Alr

[tropic viper]

How do I sign up for it?

[rose lark]

It won't pop up on my vrchat website and I hav no idea how to apply

[warm chasm]

Applications existed almost a year ago by now, Apple Testflights can only allow 10,000 participants. It's very much likely the applications are beyond closed

[rose lark]

Ah okay

[fluid shadow]

Lets not throw the 10k number around. Yes, that is the limit set by Apple to be the MAXIMUM limit. But VRC has maybe like between 1-5% from that to testing.

[dense stream]

This is pretty funny to me.

[surreal lance]

[untold cape]

The fact that muting group notifications etc does not work for push notifications is really annoying ngl

[fluid shadow]

Already reported as bug 😉

[untold cape]

Dang, the current build expires in 22 days

[copper cave]

oh? there is expire date!?

[rough barn]

Expiration date is renewed with each update I noticed

[untold cape]

Yep

[untold cape]

Yes, usually beta builds on iOS expire after a certian amount of time

[copper cave]

ic

[fluid shadow]

90 days

Or was it 60

[untold cape]

I think it's 90

[stark silo]

it's 90