Has welcome and goodbye messages, restrict commands to roles/channels, self assignable roles, music, chess, other moderation stuff
#server-feedback
crisp vapor
@open radish where you suggest things to help the discord server or say what you don't like about it
drowsy oxide
@GG.EASY#5673 Invite link is in #more-resources
Please take the time to read all the information in the channel.
slender blade
So, basically paraphrasing what I just said in #ue4-general
@chilly ivy I think it's reasonable for you to give (some) moderators more authority on the server, such as adding bots. So far 95% of the time when we suggest something, even a tiny thing, it ends up being "That's up to Nick". That'd be fine, except you're rarely actually around to do those things, and stuff generally just doesn't happen. We've had lots of cool ideas for e.g. the job-bot, and people who'd like to help with it, but we can't do anything with it because we need you for it, which is pretty bad because you're not there.
(If anyone else disagrees with me or something, I'm interested)
woeful holly
I totally agree, as much as I respect you/am so thankful you created the discord/slack, it can sometimes be annoying, and honestly, you really shouldn't be overworking yourself and just trust some of your (more established) moderators to help you in tasks like bots, etc. too 😃
ocean siren
any name in red annoys me, tbh
open radish
Why though lol
ocean siren
idk something about chakras tho
drowsy oxide
@open radish That is not what they are talking about.
He is talking about the date next to the name.
worldly barn
Is he open to transferring ownership to a more active mod?
slender blade
I don't presume so. I'd just like more people to have full authority here. I think the community's big enough to say it's unreasonable having this entire thing run by a single semi-inactive person
deft raft
No one wants ownership. We want the ability to adjust the server without him.
That can be shared. He can stay the owner.
But right now he's not available again and we cant do anything requiring more than mod rights
And not even that is a lot.
open radish
Why not use a shared ownership account?
worldly barn
that wouldnt make sense
Administrator perms is pretty much pseudo ownership
ownership just allows you to override permissions as a whole
the only thing an administrator can't do is kick/ban/interact with the owner but thats not a case considered
wet socket
It's been a month since I last posted this so I'll lobby again:
Just want to reiterate my feedback/suggestion that you guys should bring back a single voice channel and put it at the very bottom of the channel list. My best memories of being part of this community are from meeting people in the old voice channel(s) and talking with people about what projects they're working on and about various topics related to Unreal.
deft raft
@wet socket You know what? Here's your voice channel.
We will monitor it and if it's not used a lot we do have to consider removing it again.
Cause if always the same people use it, then we have to redirect you to your own Server where you can voice with your friends
strong tide
🤔 I'm still confused by that logic
deft raft
It was previously stated by other users that they are annoyed by too many channels.
Where Voice Channels also count towards to. Now that we have the categories it should be less annoying.
We can't only take the users into account that are fine with additional channels.
So if no one uses the channel, we don't need the channel.
strong tide
Well, with that in mind you're never going to be able to please everyone; Some would argue the current amount is "too much", others would say the opposite.
and by similar logic; the same few people have been using the #linux channel since it was added: so that should go, too.
Given the introduction of categories and being able to mute them; I don't see why it would need to be removed:
I'd much rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the fact it's finally been added. Just don't agree with the mentality of removing channels based on their percieved usage.
slender blade
Yup, that
I agreed with the channel amount when there was a massive unorganized list of channels
With categories... Meh
deft raft
Welp, I would remove all unused channels faster, but we technically always wait for Nick's opinion.
Which obviously isn't present cause he's never here.
And a completely unused voice channel really doesn't need to stay :D
strong tide
🤔
then you'd probably eventually end up with a very small list of over active channels.
think it's safe to say we disagree on the matter. X3
deft raft
:D Totally fine. You don't have to agree.
open radish
Create some sort of #faq or documentation section which is used to post links, or tutorials or other information which is "frequently asked" but may be hard to find on your own via google..etc
drowsy oxide
Pinned messages are semi for this purpose. Documentation is not difficult to find
sleek warren
getting NSFW-tag now for #lounge is pretty odd, considering NSFW content is strictly forbidden on this server
why was that tag added?
if there's a change in policy, you could make an announcement about it
@chilly ivy
I'd personally prefer enforcing the no-NSFW rule than just letting things slip on the lounge as it's part of what makes this group more professional than some other gamedev groups
rich sky
rofl
@sleek warren I havent' been to #lounge in months
When did this happen?
Server is poorly maintained nowadays anyway
It's easier probably to make it NSFW for an even more hands-off approach
drowsy oxide
There is no rule change. If there was we would have announced it. This is just an warning for those who maybe more sensitive about particular types of discussions than others. Of course we still completely enforce NSFW content as against the rules.
In what way is the server poorly maintained @rich sky ?
@sleek warren NSFW content is still forbidden.
sleek warren
well, warning people that #lounge can contain NSFW content will definitely make people post more inappropriate content there for sure
not sure what kinds of backwards logic you guys have on this
but that's inevitable
I feel this is just another attempt to make lounge go away, we all know Nick doesn't like the channel, but this new setup feel like yet another attempt at sabotaging #lounge, making it even less comfy place to hang out in
wet socket
My worthless opinion, as someone who has had the lounge channel muted for years and is completely ignorant of whatever is going on in there, is that it is sort of like a trash can: you put all of the trash in the trash can so that the rest of the place looks nice and clean.
If you find yourself spending too much time in the trash can, you'll start to stink up the place everywhere else you go. So it's best to just stay out of the trash can but keep it around anyway because otherwise people will start leaving their trash lying around in the other channels and then the whole place will start to stink.
That's my :2cents:, at least
sleek warren
yeah, I've seen people thinking like that but I don't really agree it's the best way to deal with this. most people using #lounge don't want to see all kinds of garbage there and it's pretty obvious that people trying to sabotage the channel don't actively use it themselves
that logic is just flawed in so many levels that I will not even try to address it
but I can give one example from one discord group that had a dedicated channel for pornographic content and their logic was that same
you can draw your own conclusions
(and remember that mods are here for a purpose)
unreal pecan
just because we have a trash can, doesn't mean we should promote putting nuclear waste in it
lounge is pretty chill nowadays, so putting a NSFW warning is not only a contradiction to the server rules, but it also emphasizes people to put trash in there that doesn't belong anywhere
sand mountain
Lounge is not a trash can, it's just doesn't have a narrow topic, in general people seem to enjoy chatting in there about ue4 / tech and other related things I don't know why it's such a bad place, making it nsfw seems odd since it just seems like a normal social area.Saying it is a trashcan is flawed as the majority of people in there are intelligent and sometimes are arguably more helpful than in other channels because they are interested in talking.
autumn spade
#lounge has became suddenly marked NSFW while #more-resources says No NSFW content (…) No exceptions.
So are there exceptions or not? Those sentences contradict each other, misleading us.
<@&213101288538374145> Would you like correct this, please? Thanks in advance.
digital socket
Setting lounge as NSFW is interpreted by most as "NSFW content can be found here" rather than "only a mature audience should visit here". Even accepting this, it is strange that the NSFW warning should be used in this way, and that maturity should be expected only in #lounge.
livid kestrel
Well its a trend in gaming thats risen through e-sports and streaming and thats family friendly content. I understand that a majority of developers want to appeal to that audience based purely on accessibility but it was difficult to discuss adult games. I dont think NSFW is the correct term either since what is appropriate on the job depends on the context. I do think we want to foster budding developers and not shut them out based on age. We do need to be mature about the industry as one of my biggest fears is the industry getting stuck in prepubescence because of our inability to accept the more disturbing aspects of humanity.
deft raft
Yeah well, that NSFW thing wasn't even discussed lol. Removed that again.
No NSFW is the rule.
woeful holly
So......there's this other (gamedev) discord server I'm in, and though I know you guys hate roles.....I think this may be a good idea....hear me out: So this server used to use @everyone in their announcements, which is obviously annoying, but then some people like being notified about new things going on related to the server (and in this discord's case, Unreal Engine). To "solve" this issue for this server, slack allowed us to control channel notifications, that way I was able to set notifications to always ping/alert me when a new announcement was posted, but discord doesn't have this functionality (as far as I can see).....so getting to my suggestions, and what that other server does....would it be an idea to create a "news" role, that people could join (no special colors, a bit like the GDC role I guess), and then tag @news for all notifications. That way people could opt-in to be notified without having to check if there are new messages manually.
That idea could suck though, but I thought I'd just suggest it ¯_(ツ)_/¯
gritty lotus
I'm all for creating a role you can sign up to in order to get notifications
deft raft
Well, I'm all open for that stuff too
gritty lotus
ideally the bot would auto-assign it to newbies, and you can opt out
rich sky
Get Dev Grant For Something -> Don't put effort into it anymore. Sounds about right
deft raft
Well I posted it into the mods channel
We will discuss it
In the end we have to wait for Nick to come back online
Otherwise we can't do it at all
slender blade
Yup
rich sky
But anyway, my last statement is obviously not meant for everyone. Because plenty of devs still do their thing.
slender blade
Lovely situation
deft raft
Well yeah, I seriously don't get how you can't even check your phone once in a while
deft raft
It's been 18 days without a word
slender blade
Wait really?
rich sky
The only reason he got a dev grant and went to gdc
deft raft
Which is all fine, but he doesn't do much atm to keep it online
rich sky
So, that money wasn't used for Slack purposes anyway
deft raft
And that for hte past half a year or more`?
rich sky
Actually, iirc, it was literally 2 months after receipt
we moved to discord
Well maybe announcement
rich sky
don't remember when you all got your money
deft raft
I also don't care if he got the grant or not
He has the only full rights on this server
And hasn't been in the mods channel for 18 days
celest zenith
devgrant from nvidia edge and you move to do lots of stuff?
rich sky
Aye, my issue was that he did receive money for this community though and never used it
on the community
slender blade
That's the nature of those grants
rich sky
Which, you know... technically is fine. Because the dev grants are whatever money. Do with it as you will
deft raft
He doesn't have to. No reason to judge him for that
slender blade
It's not money for what you're going to do
rich sky
Aye, just saying. I do judge though.
rich sky
Hmm, no
deft raft
It's basically supporting you and if you can do your job or whatever longer because of it, it's fine
There are also different grants. This is not hte same as a grant for a project
rich sky
Dev Grants are supposed to be helping you with whatever project you were requesting that money for
However you choose to spend it
But of course they don't want to tie themselves up to legalities, so they word it so it's just "free money" to do whatever you will with it
woeful holly
@deft raft
In the end we have to wait for Nick to come back online
``` I know this is kind of not something that's nice to do, and I wouldn't want to do myself, but I believe discord has a mechanism in place to transfer ownership if the owner has been gone for more than a month 🤔well, he's here actually almost everyday
I see him playing Guild Wars
and some other shit
deft raft
He's online?
rich sky
It's not hard to see him pop online
woeful holly
Yeah, that's why I said I wouldn't do it (myself) 🤔
rich sky
he's the top dude
deft raft
Different timezone
I sleep then I guess
How can you not look into the chat for like 5 mins
rich sky
not right now, yeah, he's definitely online during the times I am on here
well, maybe he's playing GW2 with his other Discord buddies
woeful holly
Odd, but glad you guys liked that notification idea....and I really hope we can get a community like bot when Nick comes back 😂
deft raft
I can only say, as always, that I would have done tons of stuff to the bot already or just do my own
I'm still waiting on it
I also don't quite get the idea of having one person decide on this. After all it's a full community and he doesn't really own it :P
slender blade
That's what's really bugging me about him being the owner
Why the heck is there an 'owner' of an unofficial community
I mean, sure, you might be the founder
And that might be worth noting
woeful holly
I know this isn't a real indication, but a fun fact in my opinion none the less: @rich sky has about 6x the messages Nick has 🕹
slender blade
But it's everyone's community, and I think there should be more people in charge than just one
😛
woeful holly
I think I have about 3x the messages 🤔
rich sky
lol
woeful holly
Feature suggestion: A bot that mutes you if you send more than 100 messages in a single day [opt-in ofcourse] 
slender blade
I spend too much time here ;3
Not against that, actually
Because of aforementioned amount of time 😛
rich sky
59,302 vs 9866, what
deft raft
Where can you see that?
Just searching?
woeful holly
Use the discord search's from:
rich sky
deft raft
rich sky
The funny part... is over the past 6 months, I've barely had time to chat on here as much as I used to
deft raft
Yeah well you only find me in blueprints and multiplayer hehe
Often not writing the whole day. So I get that's normal
woeful holly
Same, pretty much since the channels got changed....I finally got out of using #lounge and actaully working
Anyway, hope that you can at least get some gain in what you can do when Nick returns next
deft raft
Well, technically nothing. I won't work on my own bot if I'm not sure if Nick gives up his rights
Our rights are currently limited to channel modifications and kick/ban afaik
woeful holly
I guess that is pretty much what a mod is for, maybe you should suggest the idea of the Admin role? Promote the 1-3 most senior Mods & give them more perms?
deft raft
It's also totally fine if he has the only server rights and we only have mod rights
Be he isn't available to do his job
So if you can't get your job done, you need to pass the rights to someone who can
Actually he's 12 days not here
It's 7th March not 1st march I saw him
Still...
woeful holly
😦 Welp, I guess I'm glad I'm not a mod ^^
deft raft
Well last message in mod channel was first march
rich sky
But yeah, I guess communicating with his mods is another thing
deft raft
Then 24th Feb
Then 16th Feb :D
Ah whatever. Can't change it by getting upset about it
Will just wait and see how we can solve it
open radish
guys... there is no tutorial in the pinned area... seriously.. not acceptable
even unityµ has that
gritty lotus
...tutorial, for what?
open radish
....tutorial, for c++?
just imagine how people who are new to this join this server, they click on the pinned tab in the c++ channel and they see..... Debugging UFunction::Invoke, Want to share GitHub Engine Code? Go here:, and Extensive UE4 specifier/metadata listings (scroll down to the bottom of the Enums section):
and they feel like:
gritty lotus
If you need a C++ tutorial, Unreal Engine 4 is not a good place for you to be
open radish
ya but UE is c++.... and BP is c++ too _ it's a series of reactions!
gritty lotus
BP is not C++
but also, if you're a newbie to C++, you're going to struggle with writing game code
this isn't the place for that
open radish
whaaaat? people say other things about: but also, if you're a newbie to C++, you're going to struggle with writing game code
this isn't the place for that
and UE is for beginners. everybody says that. and they you say. oh no it's not. it's so complex, it's using c++.
spring star
if you have trouble finding tutorials on your own you will have a hard time 😢
open radish
oh yes. i have problems 😛
UE doesn't really have a C++ series like Unity does for C#
deft raft
C++ != UE4++
open radish
@open radish thats the problem
it doesnt give you anything about logic, except bp
I thought the problem was that there was no C++ tutorial in the #cpp channel...
Can't pin a C++ tutorial if there aren't any
deft raft
And Blueprints are C++ Childclasses. It's not the same as writing C++, but the you kinda need the same knowledge about OOP and UE4's framework
open radish
again: people say UE is totally fine for amateurs. just use and learn it.
deft raft
It is in one way or another
open radish
now cedric says, oh you need intermediate OOP education foro this
deft raft
Well, BPs is programming
deft raft
It's easier to get into programming with it due to the visual programming part
spring star
it is for amateurs who want to learn to program
deft raft
Maybe not for you
But a lot of people can't do much with writing code
And learn way better with a visual node
deft raft
Well again, C++ from ground up is nothing Epic will teach you.
plush igloo
You shouldn't go into UE (to use C++) if you don't know C++
open radish
but it teaches me anything else from ground up.
plush igloo
Or at least the basics
deft raft
If there are tutorials (and yes there are a few), it'll be about UE4++
open radish
There's a few from Epic that uses C++ but doesn't teach C++
deft raft
Cause it makes no sense to tackle a large framework if you need to learn the basics of the language first
open radish
ya but the basics are easy.
deft raft
Again, for you maybe
deft raft
Not for everyone
open radish
i am fry
There are tons of resources to learn C++. You can learn pretty much all the UE-specific C++ stuff here: https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-us/Programming/Introduction
that would be too specific ^^
deft raft
Thing is, UE4 doesn't use that much C++, because Epic wraps a lot of stuff in MACROS, which will cause you to not really have to worry about a lot
You'll find yourself using their Macros more than actually doing native c++
Despite the defining of functions and variables
(You can use a lot of native c++ and you probably will if you dive deep into UE4++, but the most used things are usually wrapped into macros)
gritty lotus
trick is, you'll literally can't work in UE4 until you've learnt the basics of a C style programming language (doesn't have to be C++)
deft raft
@gritty lotus Well, C alone will not really help you, as it's missing the whole OOP part
@open radish Yeah something like that. Basically key words that handle complex code in the background
gritty lotus
OOP is something you can pick up by working with the engine, but it is good to get those principles down before trying
gritty lotus
yeah, pick up a textbook that takes you all the way through to ideas like Polymorphism etc, then try to tackle UE4
open radish
you see cedric. enough server mods here^^
deft raft
Point is, UE4 gives you a good entrance into programming with BPs. But you'll have to pick up the idea of OOP, even for BPs.
C++ in UE4 is very different in the general use, cause Epic gives you a lot of complex code wrapped into Macros.
It's better to learn C++ outside of UE4 and then start with UE4++. Makes your life easier.
@open radish Sorry?
slender blade
Unity is far easier to learn
open radish
wasa a discussion earlier that there aren't any server mods here öö
slender blade
I still suggest unity at a starting point for newbies
And then suggest they move to ue4 after
deft raft
Can't really argue here. I don't want to compare C# to BPs in terms of "easy to learn"
open radish
how.... exhausting
slender blade
Unity has more and imo better tutorials and documentation
deft raft
@open radish We aren't that many Discord mods, specially since we are spread across the timezones.
Maybe adding new ones in the future again.
slender blade
And the engine architecture is way easier to get into
deft raft
That could be, but then we are at actually learning the Engine.
If you come from Unity, learning about Prefabs, Scripts etc. it's gonna be a tough ride forgetting about that when learning Ue4
slender blade
I agree and disagree
open radish
prefab is just an actor ^^ and a script should be the same
spring star
learning Unity before Ue4 sounds weird, I would rather learn C++
deft raft
Prefabs aren't Actors
slender blade
^
deft raft
There it already starts :D
slender blade
Prefabs don't exist
deft raft
UE4 doesn't have prefabs
slender blade
As far as they do, it's just a blueprint in general
deft raft
Blueprint is also not a prefab.
spring star
maybe we are off in #server-feedback tho 😄
slender blade
Yeah ;3
deft raft
Gnah, the discussion is also old af
Forum is flooded with it
So just read the difference there
open radish
now csabab says learn c++ in general a bit and then come to UE, and others say learn unity first with c#....
deft raft
And if you like Unity more than UE4 (for yourself), then it's no crime to use it
open radish
@spring star
deft raft
Yeah, what do we learn from that, Fry?
Everyone learns differently
Do what you think fits you best
deft raft
I learned C++ at Uni. Started to play a bit with C# in Unity, hated it and went to UE4.
Enjoyed the BPs for a while and now work in UE4 C++
open radish
oh sexy ^^
deft raft
Everyone does it differently
slender blade
Came from C++ for a few months, went to Unity C# where I really got into it, moved to UE4, can do C++ but actively dislike it and use BP where I can
(that first bit of cop wasn't even oop)
open radish
cop, pop?
slender blade
OOP -> Object Oriented Programming
open radish
ohh oop.. not pop
slender blade
x3
golden talon
hello . can we get a #Networking channel for specifically talking about network related things like programming sockets or how to use the network profiler etc ? there are so many things involved in networking and it can be a very broad subject that i think it should have its own channel rather than flooding the #cpp channel and as there is little information out there maybe people will start sharing networking tips and stuff
ocean siren
#multiplayer also seems to be "how do I use UE4's replication layer"
drowsy oxide
#multiplayer is there for this purpose.
golden talon
well i mean you can argue they are technically the same but as already pointed out by ImmutableLamba the multiplayer channel is predominatly dominated with replication based issues and questions where as what im getting at is actually discussing the low level networking side of it
so rather than stuff like my player shoots on the server but client doesnt see it how do i fix this
it would be things like . what network prototcol does unreal use
what actually happens when i call an RPC?
what does net relevancy mean
how can i optimise my game to make network packets as small as possible
how can i secure my login system
what are best practices for network securoty or keepimg clients data safe
discussing the classes that noone talks about but can be very useful
how to connect to a external database or program
how does the character movement component buffer saved moves
to send over the network and why does this technique help to improve network issues
what is network saturation etc etc
we can also pin usefull stuff like this
https://github.com/MFatihMAR/Awesome-Game-Networking/blob/master/README.md
so it doesnt get lost
deft raft
Multiplayer can still be used for that. I currently don't see why we would need an extra channel for this.
It's not that crowded and your topics won't crowed it either.
gritty lotus
just call the channel networking and multiplayer and have done with it xD
open radish
We need "UE5 Incoming" Channel
drowsy oxide
There wont be an UE5. UE4 will be an continuous iteration engine that will stick around for an very very long time.
civic raven
Create Live Streaming Group below admins and place all live streamers in that group while they are streaming via a bot automaticly
worldly barn
Why would that be a thing
rich sky
It's a thing in other servers. But on this one, probably would just get abused.
Just link in #share-your-stream of you are streaming, people will come out if they want.
drowsy oxide
As Victor said, we have a #share-your-stream channel for that reason. There are alot of changes we would like to make, however our hands are tied as @chilly ivy has complete control and the Mods have no higher level rights. So with Nick not around we are basically stuck.
olive hatch
noticed that create invites are not available. Is the server closed for more members or am I not looking in the right place?
strong tide
@olive hatch Not looking in the right place.
#more-resources , first post: https://discord.gg/unreal-slackers
strong tide
no worries! :p it is a little hidden.
olive hatch
Indeed.. still scrolling.
wait.. nevermind.. apparently I just can't comprehend words today
pulsar frost
strong tide
Former is from SLACK days, latter will have license issues. 🤔
deft raft
We will keep the icon for now. If we have some artists here that would love to create a new one, feel free.
Not guarantee that we take one of them though :P
ocean siren
Also even if everyone here wanted to change to the ue4 icon it wouldn't happen for like ... iunno. 5mo?
upbeat fiber
Hey mods, I would like to know, who should I contact to have my post by UnrealBot in lfw modified.
drowsy oxide
@upbeat fiber Contact any of the Mods via DM
We will delete the one you dont like and you will resubmit your modified one.
autumn spade
This one should comply with UE_Brand Standards_2018: https://epicgames.box.com/s/8g5e32nlb6lv4aiveoff0g0hal3l94dp
I could not find logo version suggested by @pulsar frost with this ugly 4 close to logo.
Also, it does not comply with color palette (dark color seems way darker than #313131).
Finally, I find it ugly (too few blank space, logo looks too dark and elements are too close to each other).
According to https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/branding/, you can always mail them at branding@unrealengine.com if you're unsure.
ocean siren
I don't think its a matter of brand legality
autumn spade
@strong tide told latter will have license issues, so I've pasted one that should pass through legal@epicgames.com without them, imo. If you ever decide to use official logo.
wet socket
Logo is still better than anything I've ever made
gritty lotus
the current logo we've had for ages is fine, tbh
slender blade
^
quasi temple
True
celest zenith
think if the u in it had Unreal styling
teal dune
why did packaging chat and general chat just disappear for me
the general is back but packaging isnt there
ocean siren
@teal dune can you not follow #packaging <- this link?
Its likely because you collapsed the general category and there's nothing new in that channel
ocean siren
wet socket
@ocean siren You accidentally right clicked on it and checked these boxes:
strong tide
Yeh. Muting a category makes them collapse as you'd actually expect them too.
round sky
<@&213101288538374145> or concerned parties
A couple of us would like to have a "Shader" group (for custom shader model) talk. I'm not sure just a couple would warrant it, but I do know there are quite a bit of people out there looking for custom shading models. It would help keep talk of that sort out of seemingly inapplicable groups (like Graphics or VisualFX).
I've spent 3 months looking for all the custom-shader related stuff (in both Japanese and English) and haven't found a good place where all that kind of info is aggregated.
deft raft
Well having the info in one place is not a thing here anyway. It's a chat after all. If you want to save the info somewhere, use the wiki.
The chat is good for discussions though and I'm always open for suggestions of channels, however why can't you use #visual-fx ?
The channels description even says Visual FX production • Particles, post processing, advanced shaders and other wizardry
blazing dew
I was wondering if you guys would be open to have a #graphics-programming channel. It would be dedicated to people like myself, who are venturing in the deep jungle of .usf files and who are desperate to find fellow companions in this adventure. More seriously, it seems to me that any shader related conversation seems a little off topic in other channels. #engine-source is already pretty broad without thinking about HLSL. #visual-fx on the other hand is full of people sharing their experience in the material editor and have no intentions to customize the engine's rendering pipeline. As there is very little resource online on that subject, I think it could be precious to have a channel like this here. As I write these lines, I realize that @round sky just asked for the same thing a few hours earlier. This coincidence warms my heart, that being said I guess it makes my message slightly redundant. I apologize for this.
round sky
@blazing dew Actually I saw you mention the request in engine-source, and I felt the same way, so I decided to go ahead and ask for it here per Olento's suggestion.
@deft raft Advanced shaders, may apply, but afai've seen, everyone in VFX discusses cascade/material-editor related stuff only, so it seems like the wrong place to talk about adding custom shading model pins. or changing the shading model to OrenNayar or Gotanda, etc.
deft raft
(Not speaking for Nick or mods) I'm open to a VFX Programming channel, however we would need quite a bunch of people asking for it.
For now I don't see the reason to split off into another channel.
drowsy oxide
Honestly, #engine-source doesnt get that much traffic, just commandeer it for Shader code discussions.
Since you can only write custom shaders with an custom engine why not just use that channel.
blazing dew
I’ll probably use #engine-source then since .usf files are currently part of the source code. FYI, the terminology VFX or VisualFX is widely recognized in the industry to describe the post-production process that happens on films and commercials. Since Epic is very much pushing to have Unreal adopted in the VFX world with features like ray-tracing, sequencer, and composures, that is probably the kind of conversations I would expect to see in a channel called #visual-fx. On a channel called #lookdev I would expect conversations about materials and visual wizardry. That was just my two cents.
open radish
hey is it possible to give feedback on the server? it seems like the job chat could use something like a @ when a role you have or something you do lets say your a mapper and you have the mapping role, you could get pinged and see oh whats this so you know its a specific thing where they are looked for this talent that you can do?
posting this here because im stupid and didnt see that there was a server feedback at the first place
deft raft
We are trying to update the job side of things sooner or later
Right now it stays like this
See #unreal-news as we launched a new bot today
That one will implement a new job posting system sooner or later
open radish
alrighty
woeful holly
Congrats on the new launch @deft raft 😃
I know you stated that the code is currently only available to mods, however, if I may ask, are there any plans on opening it up for contributions in the (near) future? 😃
deft raft
Yes
Once I feel it's ready to be opened
I rushed most of it the last week, since I received rights from Nick
So that we can finally moderate a bit better
woeful holly
Awesome! Great to hear, and cool you got it done so quickly 😃
unreal pecan
Bone Hierarchy questions should be put under #animation, but since the channel #graphics mentions 'Meshes' in the description, people assume all Skeletal Mesh questions like bone hierarchy should be put under #graphics
I mean people who do Animation will answer this question faster as people who stare at the material editor all day.
rigid orchid
In what channel should materials be discussed?
elfin scarab
Hello I have a question, does 6 applies aswell to #lounge ? Some conversations can lead to sharing something you've done (or you are doing) in a very casual way, same applies to #ue4-general . My question is more like... Is the process automated or does the context matters? IE: Hey I need to program recoil, know how to? - Yes, you can check out this project I'm working at in github (sends link). <- that conversation could lead to the other person having an interest in my project and me sharing it.
rich sky
On that note
Why wouldn't I be able to link my Linkedin, resume, or website on #career-chat '_'
I would hope that context mattered
unique jetty
drowsy oxide
Yes context matters. Obviously #lounge is exempt from certain "rules"
@rich sky Relevance to the channel content is what we are trying to achieve here
elfin scarab
👌
lost yoke
@drowsy oxide (or other <@&213101288538374145>) can you please clarify rule 6: "No links, pitches or feedback requests outside of #work-in-progress."
It seems to me that if someone is trying to do something and knows there must be a better way, but doesn't know what, that the best way to get help would be to post a link (e.g. to a screenshot or code excerpt or something) and ask for feedback. ISTM that such interactions belong in their specialization-relevant channel, rather than #work-in-progress. Can you clarify the intended scope of that rule?
deft raft
Posting Work In Progress is not the same as asking for help on a specific problem
I mean, how else do you want to word that?
If you post a BP problem ,or wrong lighting, then you post that to the specific channels
If you have a scene or system that is functional and you want feedback on if people agree that it looks good or functions well then it goes to work in progress
Like, I can show you 30 seconds of my Game and ask for feedback -> #work-in-progress
Versus, my inventory system removes 2 instead of 1 item -> #blueprint #cpp #multiplayer
chilly ivy
Actually I think they raised a good point. The rule doesn't really clarify that "links, pitches or feedback requests" is referring to content the user created.
lost yoke
and posting links and asking for feedback in the latter case is not intended to be against the rules?
deft raft
The word feedback is bad here I guess
I don't see asking for help about a broken Inventory System as asking for feedback
chilly ivy
@lost yoke Is that what you're confused about? The "links, pitches or feedback requests" is referring to content you created.
The intention is to prevent excessive self promotion, except in #work-in-progress where it's allowed within certain boundaries.
lost yoke
my initial reading of rule 6 suggested that the following hypothetical scenario in #blueprint:
person 1> "https://blueprintsfromhell.tumblr.com/image/172642913056 -- i find this to be tedious to maintain. does anyone have any suggestions to improve it?"
person 2> "yes, avoid redundancy by using ${technique_blah}. you can read more about this technique at ${link_to_some_blog_post}"
should result in an infraction for person 1. i don't believe this is the intent, but it does seem to be what it says
deft raft
You are asking for help on a specific problem
That scenario goes into the specific channel
#work-in-progress Is nothing more than showcasing your work in progress
Where the result could be "Hey, looks awesome!"
That's all
deft raft
As soon as you have a specific issue, may it be non-performant implementation of code, it would go to #blueprint or #cpp
If you, at the end of day, have some cool looking system, which you declare as final and working, you would could post it to #work-in-progress to share your progress
well "final"
In what ever stage it is
chilly ivy
#work-in-progress is a place to share stuff you're still working on and get feedback from your peers. As opposed to other support channels which are designed for asking specific technical questions.
pliant halo
A helpful points system, where people get given say 2-3 points per 24 hours, and when someone is helpful they can choose to give you a point, just something fun to track how helpful you have been really, assuming people dont start pming people like "hey kid, wann buy a helpful point?"
wet socket
^ I've suggested this kind of thing last year so I know that they've considered this idea before. I think it's overall a good idea but I mean the AnswerHub already has a reputation thing. If anything, we could have a "frequent, reliable helper" thing for people who often contribute.
gritty lotus
Answerhub demonstrates exactly why you don't want that
wet socket
Yeah, at the end of the day I guess it doesn't really matter
sleek warren
main reason why I dislike karma systems like these is that it drives and supports spoonfeeding
instead of teaching people how to do something, people just give straight up answers they can google up to gain karma, new people don't learn anything but how to get others google for them, people gaining karma don't really help these people either as the people they "helped" will be totally clueless when next obstacle comes up
same cycle repeats then
ocean siren
Yeah, and if there is somebody there who wants to help (ie guide), spoonfeeders will jump in with the literal solution - this happens plenty often without a karma system
gritty lotus
You also get people who are clueless but want imaginary points, so they spam wrong or irrelevant information on just about everything
strong tide
StackOverflow has that same problem, too. :I
deft raft
Yeah doubt we add something like this any time soon. But we will see if we find other ways.
prime dust
lol, you could do "SpoonFeeder" AND "Frequent Helpers" points, but you have to hide it when a user awards the point as such:
1: Award X for giving answer
2: Award X for teaching
Then just take 1: and put it towards "Spoonfeeder", and 2: Helper
ocean siren
idk it might be cool to have a thing, I just don't think it's that cool.
Also how do you make people give 1 but not 2?
prime dust
Either or option
Sub option of "User helped me award: Reason 1 or 2"
Its just a playful idea
Also, if that system existed, I would make each point expire after some time. (to make it less "serious" where people go crazy about it)
strong tide
I dunno. 🤔 given discord's still just a chat client, trying to incorporate forum features would be kinda messy
prime dust
Yea no worries. I just wish "regular" users had some kind of status. I can't tell the difference between a respected and long time helping member, and the newb-off-the-block doesn't-know-what-hes-talking-about member
strong tide
yeah, is a fair point~ also agree it would be nice :p but each system has its own can of worms associated with it
a "rep" system is too forum-y, and would be a mess to incorporate into a chat client.
roles could potentially introduce elitism and a stigma, but is probably the cleanest and most efficient way of doing it 🤔
open radish
Some Discords have a "level" system where you just level up the more you talk in the server. Could be an easy way to distinguish between new and old users
strong tide
I personally find those servers are messy, unless the bot managing it all is hidden and doens't spam anywhere.
open radish
Personally, I like this server the way it is now
strong tide
agreed~
open radish
Simple and clean
drowsy oxide
Yeah we have no plans to add anything of the kind. The roles we have now are enough i think, we dont need to segregate the community any further than necessary. Everyone is on an level playing field.
prime dust
Okay, how about a Date Joined in the persons profile?
ocean siren
why do you feel like length of stay in this discord means anything? I was here the day it was created, but you don't see ME being helpful!
prime dust
yea no sense adding anything that people might use to judge people
deft raft
Also we can't add anything to profiles. We can only do roles or data that has to be actively posted by a bot
At least I don't think that I can actively modify other people profiles
unreal pecan
Did you ever think about a channel to discuss bugs in Unreal? On Answerhub you just get pointed to the new bug report system, the bug report system itself is a black hole and you can't even confirm if it's your own fault/doing something wrong. A channel where people can discuss workarounds or confirm if the engine is broken. I really could need one, but I also see a risk in newbies trying to flood such channel.
drowsy oxide
You should message the bug in the appropriate channel that best categories' the system the bug exists in
Discord isnt designed to be an searchable repository of information.
Its used for immediate response
unreal pecan
I highly doubt I'm the only smart boy here who uses the search function and indeed using Discord like a repository of information.
The power to search directly on this discord server is far more valuable than using google nowadays
Especially since the forum is still broken and google searches that direct to the forum/answerhub are not working anymore
You can search on answerhub and forum separately, but even then, I don't think their implementation is that good
deft raft
Given the number of duplicated questions each day, you seem to be the only smart boy
People are usually not even checking the pinned messages
I wouldn't want a bug tracker on this Discord Server.
Having a place to discuss bugs and workarounds would be nice, but I think a lot of systems outside of discord are better suited
unreal pecan
I agree, but apparently there is no system outside except the ones mentioned that got their own flaws already.
It wouldn't be a bug tracker, it would be a place for devs to find workarounds, like old AH. There is a lot of stuff that has not enough attention for Epic to care about, but it's super annoying for the average Joe like me and finding other solutions for those bugs would be a great help.
Just wanted to mention it in case somewhere in the future people got the same idea. Right now, it seems like we are flooded with inexperienced users anyway.
deft raft
Hey, I'm pretty sure you can just open a place like that
There are enough free frameworks out there for websites and forums/discussion pages
And a page + server costs maybe a few € a month
unreal pecan
Why would I spend my time to learn another framework, create such a website and even pay for it? It would be neat to have it in here. The amount of work to create such a system outside seems huge compared to bringing it in here. Maybe I miss something, maybe it's not just creating another channel for you guys and I underestimate the work to manage such a channel here on Discord. In that case, I'm sorry.
deft raft
Thing is, just creating a new channel and labeling it "bugs" or whatever, won't cut it.
You'd need to add something to actively keep track of bugs and their workarounds, otherwise users will ask over and over and over and over again
So no, this remains a chat and similar to other resources (bug workarounds kinda count as that), they should be placed on an outside system, that is made for keeping track of these things
unreal pecan
Alright, got'cha. I still don't think this server is only a chat anymore and the information on here is far more valuable than any other resource I know. I only wanted to point that out. I wasn't really demanding anything and didn't want to hear an answer. Take it into consideration for the future and forget it if nobody else has this idea.
deft raft
Trust me, we already talked about it internally when we redid the channels and categories
Cause Victor wanted a #tutorial and #faq channel PER topic
So we already thought about making it somehow work for resources
But in the end, you'd probably use the pinned messages
unreal pecan
I don't get the connection to a 'workaround and other solutions for stuff that epic doesn't care about and will stay to be an engine bug until we sign a petition' channel. I understand it's low priority, but I also don't think it's invalid to ask for. It's one of those things that one might take into consideration if there is a demand by multiple users.
rich sky
There are two issues with the pinned @deft raft , only mods can pin
And no one ever looks there
A faq channel is easily seen in the list of channels
(or tutorial, but w/e)
But yeah, maybe one per topic would be too much, but maybe just one of each would be nice. And you could make it a bot-request thing.
So, people don't spam random shit into them.
Basically, bot-request add Tutorial
Topic of Tutorial
Main Category it belongs to (Blueprint, C++, VFX, etc)
Link
Then it can just post like the bot does for jobs now
Same goes for FAQ. But this time, it's moderated
So only mods can approve them (they will be in some sort of queue), and then it just posts them in the FAQ channel
(also 3rd reason pins aren't that great, they have a limit)
Same thing could be used to "request" or "find" tutorials, if they don't/
can't figure out how to use search
Bot Request Blueprints-Tutorials (PM them a list of BP Tuts available)
deft raft
Yeah but that all comes with the work of adding these features to the bot to make this chat client usable for storing resources
While I still would recommened storing them in an UnrealSlackers Wiki
We can discuss it again internally, but I doubt we will change that
Neither for resources, nor for bugs
sleek warren
I dunno about FAQ
people are too lazy to google their issues, they will not read FAQ's either 😄
rich sky
Nah, but it saves Googling and linking docs/tuts
You can be like Read the F.A.Q.
Or just, @yohoo #faq
raven sundial
ever think about making some emojis
slender blade
Not at all 
rich sky
So uh, "censor nazis" , while I don't agree with the term, I do agree with the meaning behind it somewhat. If you continue to delete messages, how are people supposed to know what transpired and what's not acceptable? I mean, it's one thing if it is completely non-relevant to a discussion/this server or might have a racial/sexist slur, but just because a discussion gets "heated" doesn't necessarily mean the whole discussion isn't relevant and/or should be deleted.
I see it happening more and more now with the new bot. It's not a good thing. (this coming from mostly what happened in #fab on Sat and a few other instances) I get what may be the "goal"... to clean up chat while warning/infracting whoever. But at the same time, it doesn't do the whole system any justice as it doesn't teach anyone else a "lesson"
slender blade
^
I always wonder what the actual heck happened when people I casually talk to all the time get warned, for instance
But poof, chatlog gone
deft raft
We have the chat log. That's enough.
Cleanup on sat was maybe a bit rough, but looking into the purge log, this happens very rarely
Last two times when I purged was more than a week ago and that was my own messages in server feedback and unreal chat which I removed
Before that we had no purges
So a total of 3-4 purges. Where 2 times were my own. So "seeing that often" is not really true.
vast tusk
Yeah, the amount of mod deleted messages is very little
deft raft
You would be surprised how many people delete their messages themselves
As we even log these
drowsy oxide
Also if people read the #old-rules and actually followed them we wouldnt be having this discussion. Labeling the Mods in such a fashion is very unkind and disrespectful (hello rule #1) it is stated multiple times throughout the #old-rules that messages can and will be deleted at anytime. We volunteer our time and energy to this community and i think those types of labels are hurtful and unjustified.
slender blade
Well yeah, we're not agreeing with the terminology, but referring to what happened before we agreed with the sentiment behind it
fluid moat
i think that there needs to be a 5-10 min intro to game dev/design video in the topic that everyone needs to watch so that we are all 1) on the same page with lingo 2) know how much detail to give to get the answers we want.
for #design-chat
open radish
Proposing to change name of #career-chat to something like #career-advice so new users don't mistake it for a channel to post jobs
noble crow
What Tommy said. Makes sense.
ripe aurora
people should RTFM
true aurora
Thanks for renaming #job-chat into #career-chat, that was a really good change and a good suggestion
shy hollow
Unity Job in Looking For Talent <@&213101288538374145>
gritty lotus
it isn't relevant to the group though
and if you aren't going to draw the line there, where are you going to draw it?
sonic hazel
Can I post a job for housekeeping?
spring star
only if your house is unreal 😎
sonic hazel
It currently is in a unreal state 😬
light shadow
I think you just answered your own question
bold junco
I've recently noticed that channels under the Content Creation group are disappearing once I've read them. This doesn't happen with channels under General or outside of any groups like this one.
I can still access them via Ctrl+K and then typing in the name of the channel
wicked pendant
@bold junco it's just the really confusing discord behavior, if you click on a the name of a group tab then it hides the threads that are read
bold junco
oh crappypoo... thanks man.
silver heath
Wanted to drop by to say that I don't think that restricting job postings to UE4 - related jobs isn't the most productive thing, especially if that relates to creative jobs. There are not that much of a posts there anyway.
cobalt peak
can someone unban me from fortnite discord my brother was doing something on my computer and i think i got kicked or ban
vast tusk
@cobalt peak We are not affiliated with Fortnite or Epic. This is an unofficial server.
cold oriole
@cobalt peak Try either here: http://fortnitehelp.epicgames.com/
Or here: https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/forums/
drowsy oxide
@cobalt peak We told you already that this is not an Official Server for Unreal, we are not officially supported or recognised by Epic in any means. As stated please take your query to the proper platform.
cobalt peak
i didnt say anything other that the first thing i said @drowsy oxide
simple crown
With the recent announcement about bleeding edge dev branches on github by Mike Fricker. Would it be possible to get a bot that posts updates on a daily baises to a locked down channel? https://twitter.com/mike_fricker/status/992158071374929925
chilly ivy
@simple crown Probably not. We don't have access to set up webhooks for the repo, and since it's a private repo we couldn't even query it with the API.
simple crown
Ah I was unaware :\
chilly ivy
Anyone can get access through an Epic Games account, but as far as GitHub is concerned, it's a private repo.
So our hands are tied, I'm afraid.
elfin scarab
Is #work-in-progress only limited to UE4? Can one share per say concept art or music from its own authory?
true aurora
If it's for an UE4 project?
drowsy oxide
@elfin scarab Must be UE4 related. Hard to prove that with music and the like but i dont see any problem with it to be honest.
true aurora
If it's not obvious how it's used in an UE4 project
If you draw some concept art, it'd be interesting to see in context of your existing scene for example
sonic hazel
As long it is for your (UE4) game and you want to show off your creation, even if its in Maya/Blender/Photoshop, you should be able to share it in the WIP channel
sonic hazel
Double post in #looking-for-work
vast tusk
@sonic hazel thanks, taken care of
sonic hazel
<@&213101288538374145> how long are deleted messages being saved in the botlog?
spring star
my guess is forever
deft raft
As long as the history allows
sonic hazel
Which is?
An x amount of lines? A db max size?
With whom can I talk about the message tracking? I've questions about it
light shadow
Ask away
sonic hazel
Cool. Who and where can the messages be read back. What is the actual duration of storage? Who is making sure the data is being saved secure. What about the user privacy (not all edits and deletions are evil) and what is done to prevent abuse or to prevent a zoom focus on a user?
Some countries like the Netherlands have laws like "The right to be forgotten", how can we make use of that right?
sorry if the questions are kinda lame 😄
deft raft
- You can't access them. Only we mods can.
- Duration is whatever Discord allows in terms of history. We store them in a channel.
- No one. No need.
- User Privacy ends when you post to a Discord channel. Discord API officially allows tracking deleted and modified messages. I don't see why any of the mods would or could abuse this. It's only for people who mean to use these functions to hide evil messages after posting them. We had that already and it's hard to proof anything without a log. @sonic hazel
People should always think before posting.
sonic hazel
Sweet, thanks for the awnsers!
wide oxide
I need to discuss some disciplinary action
I asked why I was tagged and a moderator said they could remove me
for asking
@vast tusk @glossy gulch
deft raft
We want to calm the channel down. It doesn't help if people keep asking.
wide oxide
Threatening a user who just dropped in isn't good.
deft raft
/shrug
ocean siren
More mods looking at this prolly doesn't help
wide oxide
This place should be somewhere to learn or for business and has no room for internet tough guys who act unprofessionally.
glossy gulch
someone whose name shall not be mentioned accidentally @ -ed everyone, and it took most of an hour to calm the channel down.
rich sky
Some newbie
wide oxide
I understand
That's all I needed to hear
I didn't need to be threatened
Perhaps Cedric needs more training for this position.
Thanks.
glossy gulch
please dont attack moderators.
sonic hazel
@wide oxide Please don't take it personal. It's just been hectic and chaotic and it became a little drag for the mods to bring back the peacefulness that you're looking for. Please don't take it personal 😃
wide oxide
I understand, I just was expecting more professionalism from the moderators here such as how Luos handled it.
Who can I speak to in charge of the moderators?
rich sky
He was the main instigator...rofl
sonic hazel
The proffesionalism is in 99.99% of the cases the norm, this is the 0.01%
rich sky
Anyway, while the mods aren't perfect
deft raft
Speak to nick if you want. I don't mind if you want to annoy him with that.
rich sky
You aren't going to change anything
wide oxide
I hope so Remco. Thanks. I was starting to get worried about this place.
sonic hazel
I'm not sure if you're new here, I don't reconize your name, but as long i've been here (for a while), it's a nice place to be. Admins and mods do their best to make it available to everyone while maintaining a livable enviroment with such an insane user amount!
wide oxide
I managed a server with over 12k people.
We never had mods act out.
But thanks, the issue is pretty much over.
deft raft
If you tell users to stop posting offtopic and spamming it for an hour or more and you even havre to lock the channel, and they still continue even after keeping it locked for 30 min, you can't do much more than giving them the final warning. I rerouted you to #unreal-news already.
No idea why you have to make such a big deal out of it. You def didn't earn much by that.
rich sky
TBH, there was no need to lock the channel
rich sky
You could have just ignored it and let it run its course
wide oxide
You can't blame me for not knowing.
However you can instead direct me to news first next time
rich sky
That would have been less stressful on all of you
glossy gulch
doubt that would have helped Vic.
wide oxide
Without any of the added stuff.
rich sky
It would have
deft raft
I didn't blame anyone. I did direct you to news first.
wide oxide
"Hey there, sorry about that, please check news for the info"
rich sky
Common Techniques
deft raft
@rich sky Welp, you always do things different
deft raft
Well sorry mate. Have a nice weekend
strong tide
I hate unnessecary pings as much as the next guy, but the thing for people to spazz out about them is rediculous. 🤔
ocean siren
idk why but its a meme
raven sundial
literally nobody answers my and other people's questions
ocean siren
my thing don't work pls halp isn't a good question - and on top of that I don't know what the possible errors would be on that import.
And AFAIK you can't do something like what you described as replicating objects in a direction in UE4 by default.
There is a thing on the marketplace
drowsy oxide
@raven sundial If you put more effort into describing your issue, what you have tried to do to rectify the problem yourself and providing as much information as possible that maybe relevant will help others help you.
Posting an "issue" with 8 words and expecting others to attend to that problem is not helpful in the slightest.
Help us to help you.
raven sundial
...
i didnt say my thing dont work
i gave a specific thing that doesnt work
and how it doesnt work
sure it might not be super specific
but its way more specific than my thing dont work plz halp or can anyone help me etc
ill put a little more info
ocean siren
Sorry, I was being just as hyperbolic as you
raven sundial
welp lol right above my question is someone else's unanswered question
which makes me assume theres a lot more
ocean siren
Eh, the entire server is filled with answered questions
Some even hundreds of times answered
raven sundial
cool
open radish
@raven sundial
literally nobody answers my and other people's questions
Dunno why you posted this in #server-feedback . It's not like the mods can force anyone to help you. And also, no one here is obligated to help you
raven sundial
im just wondering if we can imrpove it somehow
deft raft
The more detailed your question and the more work you put into solving it yourself,the easier it gets to help.
Everyone here helps for free and we also don't always know the answer to a question.
Some topics are less known, others might just go under because we have different timezones (so people knowing the topic might sleep).
So a question being unanswered is nothing we can avoid.
If you need more specific help and you can't get an answer here, then move on to the official forums and answerhub. You might have more luck there then.
rich sky
If we did. We would be so productive
ocean siren
we could attract a lot of experts to come answer questions - though I doubt they'd all be willing to tirelessly sit here and answer questions for free.
unreal pecan
First, we should force people to use the search function and google. Then they need to tell what they tried and why the first google search is not working for their problem.
simple cloud
there are all different kind of questions and there is also art of asking questions and the whole field of working with game engine have no well defined Good/Bad, like there are could be 1000 answer and all them would be good depending on context and stuff
and then there are questions which aren't questions but rather asking for help and assistance and those require all the details and context to find out what is the issue and a lot of times answer is "oh, there was a thing which is ON by default, but it was turned OFF somehow in my settings"
😃
spring star
when i was prevented from sleep for a longer time period I wasn't really productive and wasn't really in the mood to help out anyone, so I think we might need to look for another solution 😄
I get it
we should make the ones who needs help sleep until they get answer
deft raft
Well we do have quite a few people who are experts and often spend an hour or more with a random user to fix their bugs. At least in #blueprint, #cpp, #multiplayer and #ue4-general.
Not using the other channels that much.
There is also huge gaps between one user and another. Some have troubles understanding and following simple steps (sometimes cause of language) and others have such high level questions that it's hard to directly see the issue from outside.
And that's visible on Discord, AnswerHUB, Forum, Facebook and even Twitter. The only downside that Discord has is, that most people never use the search function here to check if the question is already answered. So we end up explaining for example the basics of replication or referencing and casting over and over again.
drowsy oxide
I tend to answer questions when i have more time available. This is an labor of love, we cant ask more than that from anybody. If someone is around to answer questions thats awesome, but if there isnt then we just have to deal with that.
elfin scarab
I used to have time to help people before (I even hitted the answerhub top 3 repliers), right now the only time I have is to speak prolly 20 minutes/day at #lounge sometimes helping someone requieres more than an hour, and usually the questions we get arent that short to answer lol. I struggled myself not while ago with a vector problem cedric helped me with, and thats a perfect example. It took us 30 mins or so, right?
Imo I think the way it is is fine, you cannot enforce users to go through a protocol before asking a question, if they ask is probably because they already tried and they couldnt
sly nebula
Add a Marketing tab!
slender blade
For what purpose? Marketing your game to other devs?
Feedback on promo materials I'd just go #work-in-progress
drowsy oxide
Advertising is strictly prohibited on this server please read the #old-rules for more information.
sly nebula
Yeah of course, I meant like marketing advice.
ocean siren
Marketing advice: Actually do some
sly nebula
True, but it could be great for starter indie devs.
sonic hazel
We need an channel, #luos-dailies where @glossy gulch can blog his day and we can talk about it :3
glossy gulch
XD
clear quest
Is there really a reason for 30 seconds limit to type these in? Cmon give us at least 1 minute.
vast tusk
@clear quest Write the answers before and paste them in.
deft raft
We will see how we can improve the job stuff. As you may have noticed, this is still driven by the old bot. And I am pretty sure Nick chose the 30 seconds as a good middle. I would rather like to have a form in the future, however not sure how useful it is to send user to a website first. Would makes things cleaner but well. Maybe the awaitMessages api call is still the best for such things. Discord is a chat after all
clear quest
The bot is great, it's easy, the timer is just a pain
fleet surge
is there a technical reason for having that timer? if not, what does it matter how long people spend preparing their post?
strong tide
there probably is a technical reason; otherwise I don't think it'd be there. Only thing that springs to mind is computational power requirements, and making sure there aren't any unnessecary waits.
deft raft
Technical reason.
The bot runs with the Discord.js API.
It provides a method to wait for a message, otherwise it's hard to know what message to react to. Because all messages, may it be DM or Text channel, are routed through the same "OnMessage" delegate. You would need to save who send what to know who is trying to create a job entry.
The awaitMessages function on the other hand actively waits for a specific users message. That makes it easy to react to it. AwaitMessages wants a Parameter for "how log to wait" though.
(well, for a specific users message if used in a DM channel)
eternal scroll
Im happy with the discord server but i have a suggestion,
Add a material design channel - For us that need help with the Material editor
gritty lotus
Use graphics
drowsy oxide
The job bot was written by @chilly ivy
And the @storm shell was written by @deft raft
@spark shard
spark shard
alright thanks, I want it for a server I mod, with a few alterations. is that something that could happen?
drowsy oxide
Talk to them. Not sure if they want to send them out into the wild.
spark shard
ok I will wait for them to see your ping
deft raft
@spark shard For the Job Bot you'll have to ask Nick. My own Bot is open Sourced, but I haven't shared the link outside of the mods channel yet.
(Nick = pfist)
spark shard
what does the AAIChar bot do
deft raft
It's mainly a moderation bot. We can mute people and add point-based infractions
spark shard
ohh we have a bot like that
deft raft
If a user hits more than 10 points, they get banned.
That helps us keeping tack of what specific users did, as it has a database in the backend to keep track of everything
We also track all modified and deleted messages in a private channel to give us a chance to react to toxic behavior that people try to hide via deleting or modifying their messages
spark shard
we've got that also to an extent
just our jobs channel is a mess
so many people post ridiculous crap
$5 for 30 rigged and animated characters
deft raft
Well I can tell you the idea behind the code
It uses discord.js, which has a awaitMessagesmethod for DM channels.
With this it probably gathers the info (comes with the x seconds time limit) and packs it into an embed post
I would like to change this a slite bit, cause right now the list just spams itself away
I would much rather have a database keeping track of posts and also clearing posts older than 14 days
And giving the chance to query posts based on free, paid etc.
@spark shard
spark shard
alright cool, maybe it'll be easy enough to figure out, never done any javascript before though
chilly ivy
@spark shard You can view the code for the job commands here: https://github.com/unreal-slackers/unrealbot/tree/master/commands/jobs
It uses discord.js and discord.js commando, it's associated command framework. Docs here: https://discord.js.org/#/docs/commando/master/general/welcome
spark shard
nice, thanks
chilly ivy
You may also want to look at the discord.js docs. You can do so by selecting Main library from the View docs for dropdown at the top of the page.
spark shard
if I can figure it out I want to add a manual approval feature to it
deft raft
You can easily make a temp database
That stores entries that aren`t approved yet
In the end it's just moving data around
proper moat
Server needs a meme channel.
drowsy oxide
No. No it doesnt.
rich sky
Brain
sonic hazel
Suggestion: Have all channels hidden from new users and the @storm shell bot DMing them the server rules. Once the new member typed "accepted" or sonething like that, the channels become visible to the new user
spark shard
why
sonic hazel
Because the new users dont abide the rules because they didnt read them
spark shard
I don't think that's how it works, they don't abide by rules because they're dumb
sonic hazel
Its not dumb, its ignorance
spark shard
you just can't expect everyone to follow rules even if they know what they are, it just doesn't work that way
that's what warning, kicking and banning is for
sonic hazel
Ofcourse it can be expected everyone follows the rules...
For the few that then choose to ignore them, the kick or ban is even more justified
By having them to accept the rules, you know they are aware of the rules and chose to ignore them
spark shard
but it's just like signing ToS agreements
you see "accept to proceed"
you don't read them unless you wouldve read them regardless
sonic hazel
ToS is thicker than a bible, just a short version of the rules with the most basic and important rules. No biggie.. should be readable in 2 minutes
slender blade
Just hide the passphrase in the text somewhere
And if someone didn't get it after three minutes they get a hint
sonic hazel
You got the idea 😁
deft raft
@spark shard Yo calling new members dumb is also not following the rules :P
spark shard
I didn't read the rules 🤷
deft raft
But yes, for now we have the rules in that specific channel. If users don't follow them they gain infractions with points (or a ban).
10 Points also equal a ban
spark shard
for the record I don't think new members are dumb just ones that don't follow common sense rules
sonic hazel
its too rare to call common sense common
fleet surge
on most servers you can get by just fine without reading the rules 🤷
sonic hazel
most servers don't have 14k members
gritty lotus
or people posting their youtube videos / kickstarter campaigns in every channel :p
fleet surge
dunno. seems like common sense to not do that
sonic hazel
I think some people missed the call to collect their common sense and ended up with none
those few are usually the ones to ruin it for the many
¯_(ツ)_/¯
slender blade
^
fleet surge
btw, what is the purpose of #introductions ? does anyone actually look at what people post there? 🤔
slender blade
I do sometimes
gritty lotus
first channel people land in, I think
fleet surge
p sure that is #more-resources
drowsy oxide
#more-resources is first channel.
#introductions gives those people that want to write an post about themselves an place to do so. Otherwise every now and then you would see one in other channels disrupting discussions.
mild fox
hello, when i joined the server i got a 1 hour timer instead of 10 minutes, can you fix this so others don't wait too much?
woeful holly
Odd, tried opening your account in another browser yet?
Anyway, if it actually took (almost) an hour, I'd quickly send it to discord support so they may be able to look in to it, it could also be caused by your system time being out of sync though
obtuse zenith
I have a question in regards to the unreal bot and its interaction with the #looking-for-talent. Is there a way to tell the bot to remove job posts that have been filled so that others do not think the job is still open?
thanks for any info and let me know if im in the wrong place to ask.
woeful holly
I believe you need to ask a mod to remove a post, but functionality to remove it using the bot could have been added recently....though I don't think that is the case
obtuse zenith
Thanks, had a fried who posted a job and now has it filled was also looking for a means of removing the listing, but stated that its not a big prioroity at the moment.
drowsy oxide
You need to talk to an mod to remove listings.
There is no feature for users to remove them manually unfortunately
obtuse zenith
Thanks for the answer.
humble marsh
The unreal bot on #looking-for-talent doesn't display the company name and job title accurately. My post should be for a "DevOps Engineer" at "Lucasfilm's ILMxLAB".
deft raft
@humble marsh Hm, would have to ask @chilly ivy here.
teal kraken
Hey
open radish
Nsfw dev channel would be nice
silver heath
Whole net is full of NSFW content. Do we really need a channel for that here ?
deft raft
No we don't. We are also not allowing any NSFW content.
So if we get pointed to NSFW content, which was posted in hope we don't see it, it will result in an infraction.
analog inlet
Didn't server have one? It sounds sad that if your project contains some nudity it won't be able to receive feedback, it will probably need to be blurred out or smth atm.
open radish
Feel like the rule about no nsfw is unreasonable, could have just have one marked channel for nsfw devs. Would be very useful in a crowded server like this one to get feedback and learn more about specifics of using ue4 in that field
open radish
I do not see anything related to our topic in the eula 1 B iii , that lists the general restrictions. Or is there something I'm missing?
sonic hazel
Pornographic?
gritty lotus
there's nothing in the UE license that would prevent you making pornographic content, FYI
sonic hazel
Really? I recall reading it in the same category as gambling
gritty lotus
I would doubt that
deft raft
UE4 eula has nothing about porn in it
rich sky
You know how many "porn" games are made in UE4 and are making mad cash right now?
deft raft
Probably. Specially with VR.
vivid musk
imagine Engine developers restricting people what kind of games you are allowed to make with it
oh wait, didn't CryEngine's Licence restricted it to "serious games"? lul
split narwhal
If you are a student or a member of an academic institution you are in addition entitled to develop games and Serious Games of any kind using CRYENGINE and to render such Serious Games in object code form (including the CRYENGINE Assets and the CRYENGINE Redistributables) pursuant to the CRYENGINE documentation. However, the student is in no case entitled to commercially exploit such Serious Games without Crytek’s explicit prior written approval. In case the student wants to monetize the Game he needs to contact contact@cryengine.com. If monetization will be allowed is subject to Crytek’s sole discretion.```yup
SeRiOuS GaMeS
but they specifically state use the CRYENGINE for the development of any product other than Games, including without limitations: military projects; gambling; simulation (technical, scientific, other); science; architecture; pornography; Serious Games.
you are allowed to make porn with it
slender blade
So... What defines a serious game?
Because if that's not clear that's a pretty darn big liability right there
rigid tulip
My understanding of "serious game" is something like one of those cryengine games where it's an actual training simulation for repairing underwater pipes, or used for actual military training.
Can't remember the name of those off the top of my head, but they had a video about it. Apparently it's where the bulk of Crytek's money came from for a while.
timid coral
Serious game = app to teach or train imo
sonic hazel
Serious game sounds like a paradox to me
open radish
es muy bien
amber cloud
perhaps I'm not exactly a first person to ask, but....
why server doesn't use official UE4 logo as the server icon? 😃
silver heath
Most likely because this server is not official. Besides, trademark and stuff.
drowsy oxide
We are not recognized by Epic as an official Server that is correct
The logo is almost considered legacy as well. When we started back on Slack Chat (hence Unreal "Slackers")
It followed the Slack theme back then
sonic hazel
Feela like years ago
spring star
cause it was years ago?
sonic hazel
That does make sense 🤔
strong panther
A modding channel would probably be far more used than 1/3 of the current channels.
simple crown
@strong panther That would be nice
neon roost
A Couple Of New Voice Chat Channel For A Direct, Easier, Chat
fleet surge
only one of the words in your message should be capitalized, guess which
split narwhal
hes obviously following the unreal style guild
deft raft
I dont see the current one being used much. Why adding more? For your friends you can have a private Server and for fast chats with someone you can easily hop on a private call.
split narwhal
a modding channel definetly wouldnt go amiss tho
strong panther
I'm gonna derail this by saying I really like that duck avatar ✅
Hadn't noticed it before.
split narwhal
oh, thanks :)
rich sky
So, going through the #old-rules ... Nothing in there that states some basic stuff about
(Devs are here to help in their free time, but can't always be around to answer your questions.)
(Crying about so many devs online but no one can help them)
(Demanding a step by step tutorial because they can't figure out the gist of what a dev is trying to explain)
Etc
There's a little blip about Dev-run community. But I feel a new rule should get added for the above. It's super common on here, and tbh, sort of unfair to have that expectation being met just because it's not in the rules or because it's "not common knowledge"
deft raft
I cant recall you being forced to answer people like that
But well, will bring it up for dicussion
slender blade
Nah, but I can see where he's coming from
It'd be nice to be able to redirect people that keep complaining they don't get help to e.g. #old-rules
rich sky
^ basically that
slender blade
It's happened to me quite a few times
People proceeding to tag me after I answer someone else or post my own question, too, demanding I gave them an answer instead
Stuff like that
timid coral
well there will always be kinda annoying people like this
I mean just look at the forums, its filled with threads like these messages
some of them are bound to land on slackers
slender blade
Yeah, I know, but it'd be nice to redirect them to the rules, instead of them staying there annoying people or needing to spend time explaining to them that they're idiots
timid coral
for sure
slender blade
Because ignoring them doesn't really work in a chatroom like this
strong panther
@slender blade You need to make it perfectly clear to them that you are not willing to help them (either from that point onward or at all). Today's world is a eat-or-be-eaten world so the faster you adapt to that and choose one, the better. You can't let others' issues cloud your own objectives and desires forever.
And there are many things one can do to be taken seriously, from not apologizing for every little thing that's not their fault, to being intentionally unavailable at times and so on. This kind of stuff can be Googled and learnt if you're not a natural.
open radish
Feel like we could use a channel like resources-and-tutorials, with the most helpful ones being pinned
deft raft
We already have this per channel. You can always request us to pin specific tutorials and resources if wanted
drowsy oxide
@slender blade @timid coral @rich sky We have added a clause in Rule #1 that covers continued harassment by users regarding asking for help. You should in the future redirect them to it.
rich sky
@drowsy oxide Meh, that's not the same
And that verbiage really isn't clear or related to this
Just needs a specific rule
And make it clear that this is a dev-run community, and devs are here to help in their free time whenever possible.
I was going to add that they are under no obligation to answer questions or help. But maybe a bit too much. But also still true.
There is obviously an ongoing issue and it just needs a clear-cut explanation, not this wishy washy stuff
neon roost
maybe you should Tag everyone, so they know there's a new rule
rich sky
Well, it's better than nothing.
deft raft
The new rule addition is more than enough. It covers the tagging and begging as well as DMs. You can freely refer to it as it can result in infractions.
@strong panther What exactly would the modding channel be for?
Most stuff for the modding is building a pak file, which is #packaging
Game specific modding, like ARK or so, shouldnt be here.
And any form of modding editor has to be discussed with Epic themselves.
Please let me know what other parts would justify the channel.
Right now we dont think the channel would be necessary.
timid coral
@drowsy oxide roger that !
strong panther
@deft raft I wasn't aware people use #packaging for that purpose as well, but makes sense. If you put it this way, then no, probably not justifiable to have one.
arctic plover
if we would all work together on 1 game we would make the best game in the world
who agrees?
4000 people (almost) work on one game
wow that would be the best game ever
ocean siren
that would be terrible
spring star
we are already working and playing a game in the same time, it's a chat based interactive story about 4000 people (almost) being in a discord server
vital rivet
Well, maybe some pf the members can join a separate group for some project
Lets talk about that in #lounge
arctic plover
@spring star what is the company’s name
drifting crescent
Just to let you know, under number 7 in rules it says an question. I don’t mean to sound snarky or anything, just trying to help you guys out there.
sonic hazel
what do you mean?
neon roost
More Server Emoji (?)
sonic hazel
yes we need a :allar: emoticon
neon roost
oh shit xD
slender blade
@drifting crescent meant that there's a grammatical error under rule 7. It should be a question, instead of an
drowsy oxide
What grammatical error 😃
slender blade
Sneaky sneak
neon roost
woeful holly
@arctic plover
4000 people (almost) work on one game
``` Man, VCS would be so.....*fun* 😂Anyway - a more reasonable alternative to that: An Unreal Slackers discord game jam (like we had like 1-2 years ago) would be pretty cool
I get that there are official UE4 ones, but still, one for this discord would be pretty cool ^^
bold patio
the bot only giving you 30 seconds to job descriptions is a bit much
lol
or too little i guess
open radish
I suggest creating a new tutorial-resources channel where people can link channels or videos thats all about unreal engine 4 tutorials
sonic hazel
A forun topic for that would be better
deft raft
Resource Channel won't happen at this given time.
You are free to create a Forum Thread on the official UE4 Forums or maybe even a Wiki for this (you'd need to host that yourself).
Any sort of resource, for example a cool shader tutorial, can be pinned to the matching channel by pinging a mod.
You can check the pinned messages of each channel already.
drowsy oxide
Discord is not a very good platform for storing that type of content. As suggested, forums and wikis are more suited for that purpose.
bold patio
if copy paste is an option i should be able to copy paste my entire listing theres no need for the one by one question system if the intended workflow is copy paste
gritty lotus
the one-by-one ensures that every post is formatted the same for ease of reading and filtering
post colours etc are also handled by answers to those questions
deft raft
@bold patio The one by one is pretty much needed. No one is gonna write a parser for these posts.
bold patio
idk id just bump it up to a minute unless it's built in specifically for 30 seconds for some reason outside my knowledge but ye i panic wrote my post because i suck
deft raft
You can always cancel the request or have it deleted by one of us mods
These posts are also embeds, and need to be constructed. Means if you post your whole listing at once, we would need to figure out what belongs where and that would require some sort of parsing and keywords. Way too much work for a system like this.
And it would be open to a lot of user errors
open radish
Lmao what's the point of this channel if nothing gets approved
drowsy oxide
Plenty of stuff gets approved.
As long as it adds value to the server and enough people would actually take advantage of it then we typically will approve the change.
open radish
I also asked this question in unreal-chat, but might actually be more appropriate here (apologies for the double post)
does anyone know why the unreal tournament discord requires linking a phone? I don't like linking my phone number to stuff that doesn't really need it and would like not to, but have some questions I would like to pose on the UT discord 😦
drowsy oxide
Its just an authentication barrier. Helps stops spammers etc etc.
open radish
well, I assumed that as well, but then again it's not needed here (where there are far greater number of people)
do you know of anyone I could ask to change this or would that be a big no-go to ask for?
@drowsy oxide just noticed you're a moderator, so I'm guessing there were actually issues in the past and this is very unlikely to change again?
drowsy oxide
We are not officially recognized by Epic. This is a community run Discord. We do not affiliate with any other Discord Server. Their minimum security standards are obviously a little higher than ours.
open radish
ah, didn't know that actually
fair enough, I'll be keeping my questions to myself then or look for other means 😉
drowsy oxide
You can try and DM one of the Epic Staff here in the server to see if they can guide you on where to direct your concerns. Or better yet. Ask on the UT forums.
wide oxide
The bot does not allow me to remove it
stoic goblet
done
wide oxide
thank you Roy, you are a- well, let me not be typical...
THANKS BRUH!
spring star
unreal bot ignores some characters for lft, and there is no warning about that so instead of Tester (playability/gameplay) I ended up having Tester Playability Gameplay 😢
thick turtle
so um I'm playing fortnite on the 12th of July and i try to log in and its asking for my login info and as I put that in and then it says something about cross platform restrictions even though I've been using it like that ever since I got my pc and mind you it is my Xbox account and its worked for a long time
ocean siren
did you ever play on PS4?
thick turtle
no you weirdo
ocean siren
Well its just that that'd be an actual reason that your account would be bugged
What, you think I wanted to play fortnite with you on PS4? ew.
Go bother the actual official support
chilly ivy
@thick turtle This server is for Unreal Engine developers, not Fortnite. Try discord.gg/fortnite instead.
thick turtle
thanks
brittle orchid
@drowsy oxide @light shadow , @thorn talon is a forum mod who wants forum mod role
Don't know if yall have that capability or if its just nick
But can yall help please
thorn talon
Thank you. didn't know who to ask ^^
brittle orchid
I don't know either
drowsy oxide
Done
brittle orchid
ayyyy
drowsy oxide
😃
thorn talon
Thanks a lot
royal orbit
The server delay on posting is really clutch, I actually read the rules for this channel, good job 😉
upbeat tulip
Wut?
chilly ivy
@upbeat tulip Whatever message you wrote after sending that image was caught in the explicit content filter and automatically deleted.
ocean siren
Yeah, most probably it was another screen of his project.
warm goblet
how do I tell the unreal bot my looking for talent post has found someone
ocean siren
you don't. you just ask a mod to remove it.
frank moat
<@&213101288538374145> I'm sorry for not posting this on the forums or w/e, but there is an annoying issue in 4.20 when Enabling bForceCompilationAtStartup without having Visual Studio installed/configured. When you restart the editor you get a prompt "Could not be compiled. Try rebuilding from source manually".
The only way to fix this is disabling it again inside EditorPerProjectUserSettings.ini
Just annoying, and may stop someone else running into this issue