game-discussion

[feral karma]

I think the game is unbalanced and I don't think they can balance it. Something balanced in trios, is unbalanced in solos, etc.

[knotty kernel]

They should stop trying

They have been doing nothing but taking player input, that is why the game is in such a bad state, the players don't know what they want.

[sly frost]

IF you can tripple stack a class and reliably beat the best oppent team comp easily there iss something wrong

[feral karma]

I disagree.

[feral karma]

There's a youtuber that runs a 3x Warlock comp and they steam roll everyone, he hasn't died in over a month.

[sly frost]

name

[feral karma]

Will go get the video one second

[sly frost]

also id beleive it

[knotty kernel]

Why do you thing barb is strong? It has pretty blatant weaknesses

[honest badge]

like?

[sly frost]

Go watch skinny pete buddy

[glossy swallow]

rangers are overpowered

[elfin fern]

Playing solo cleric is PRAYING

mission accomplished then

[honest badge]

170 hp 30-40% phys and magic damage reduction headshots hitting 130+ on practically every weapon and fairly fast

[knotty kernel]

relatively low move speed and attack range. It makes barb the easiest to kite class in the game, and completely susceptible to range attacks. Everything barb does he does worse than a fighter, except maybe tank magic attacks, but a good mage or warlock will just kite him and kill him with + true daamge anyway.

[elfin fern]

a truer story never told

remove true damage and give us viable chase mechanics

[glossy swallow]

Its not fair to be hit by two arrows and suddenly be out of the fight meanwhile you chase them and theyre shedding clothes as we speak and youll never catch them

[honest badge]

i dunno about you but i see 300+ move speed barbs all the time that have 16 throwing axes and just potion chug any damage you do till they get you, you close a door smashes it down you run away axe to the back of the head you try to fight get 2 tapped by a felling axe

[knotty kernel]

the damage and tankieness dont matter if they never hit you. Which is relatively easy to do in solos and in teams the utility and speed a fighter brings is superior in most circumstances. Barb has always been a weak class, even back when achiles was two shotting people barb was weak. It is only strong in normals, where they can afford to run around naked and they can leverage their extremely high base stats. Once you factor in gear and team comp they start falling off fast.

[honest badge]

pov the practically move cap barb running at me doing 25 damage a punch

[knotty kernel]

No barb has 170hp 40% PDR and is moving at 300+ movespeed. Unless they are absolutely stacked with 25k worth of gear, which if that is the case, even a rogue can beat them if they are investing an equal ammount.

[honest badge]

ive ran into 11 of em in the past 3 hours

[feral karma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfcamFFqAVU They just farm named items and fold people

[honest badge]

guess who is still alive with other peoples loot at the end when i extract

the broken barbs that are walking powerhouses

[sly frost]

cheers

[honest badge]

might be diffrent for those who main ranger and prefer the run away from everyone when they get close strat but in my experience its best to avoid barbs

[knotty kernel]

this isn't a surpise, I bet repoze hasn't died in like 50 games either and he plays rogue. These guys are running well over 100k worth of gear, it is gonna be really hard to beat them as just about anyone else, if you aren't also runing 100k worth of gear. They could all be fucking wizards, or clerics with that much gold investment and never die.

[feral karma]

Well I feel that a character with the highest base health, a button press that gives 40% PDR, and another that gives it another 12% movement speed with a good bit of stats, is a bit over tuned considering you can't even knock it back anymore. Can't stand and fight it, can't outrun it. It's an unenjoyable experience to fight on several classes.

[honest badge]

^^^^^

[knotty kernel]

I main rogue, I always try and avoid barbs they counter me hard, but I know the grass is not greener on that side.

[feral karma]

Which is a massive problem in the game when it comes to people getting carried because of stat checks.

[honest badge]

like i said if you confront barbs you are at a disadvantage in almost evrey way possible

[feral karma]

Well what can you do when you can't run away?

[knotty kernel]

then play norms, you have your battle royale over there, and stay out of the deep water.

[honest badge]

hide in a corner take off all potions and pray it doesnt find you

[feral karma]

Gear having a 600% difference in stats is a problem it has nothing to do with deep water, and normals are far more unbalanced.

[feral karma]

Good luck pressing hide and showing them a really neat white smoke animation, or just sitting there glowing in the dark XD

[knotty kernel]

Only if you don't know what your doing. Even rogue will beat barb if they are geared for it. Rogue is just unfortunately the weakestc class in terms of base stats, and barb is the strongest in that regard. If a rogue is running rapier with movespeed and true damage they can beat any barb.

[honest badge]

not rouge hide i mean find a dark corner and look down and pray XD

[feral karma]

That's fun gameplay lol

[honest badge]

ill believe it when i see it only way that happens is if the barb has a negative iq

[knotty kernel]

You just run away and poke them with rapier whenever their rage is down. They cant fucking hit you, and if they want to play the range game, throwing knives are faster and harder to doge than franciscas, plus you have the hand crossbow

[honest badge]

im not saying they are unkillable just that in a "50 50" fight barbs win 70 if not 80% of the time

[feral karma]

A rogue and barb fight either consists of a rogue making a single mistake and getting one hit, trying to run and being francescad/torched to death, or endlessly kiting him around rupturing him for 10 minutes.

[knotty kernel]

true, you are right if the rogue makes a single maistake they do die, but if they dont make a mistake the other guy could be the best barb in the world he wont win the fight he simply doesnt have the tools to do so.

[honest badge]

double axe to the head and youre left on 2 hp XD

[knotty kernel]

This is also only the rogue v Barb matchup plenty of other classes have even better matchups against barb. Wizard warlock bard figher ranger all of them beat barb

[honest badge]

wiz and warlock just kinda get face tanked ngl

[feral karma]

But imagine this, imagine you are new to this game and you are getting shit on every game, and when you do finally start to evac and get gear out then you realize you can't wear it in there anymore, so you keep it on and go to HR and get insta stepped on by 299 players if you're lucky and it wasn't a low pop time and you aren't fighting 299+ players, then after they kill you, you head back to norms and feel zero sense of progression due to only being able to use whites and below gear, vendoring or storing what you find.

[honest badge]

i hit em with 10 curses and it just keep coming its like a t-800

[feral karma]

The new player experience in this game is really shit. I have tried bringing so many friends to play this game.

I mean shit new players can't even do starter quests, like who thought that was a good idea?

[honest badge]

need a "adventure" mode only allowed to bring items you find with you in a string of games kinda like perma death

[knotty kernel]

nah, as I already said wiz will just use hate invis and kite him forever until he true damage zaps and magic missles him to death, easy win for wizard. And warlock will just do the same with hellfire and curses, and phantasmasize everytime barb pops sprint. Nothing barb can do.

[feral karma]

I would only play that gamemode, I am so sick of the meta and gear in this game.

[knotty kernel]

This is not a casual game, it is only for hardcore players who want a challenge, and are willing to invest over 200 hours in the game. If they just want to stick their toes in the water they should go back to fortnite

[feral karma]

It's not a hardcore game.

[honest badge]

not a good business model itll turn into siege change evrything for pro league and make casuals quit

[knotty kernel]

it certainly is, its a full loot pvp game, those are generally super hardcore.

[feral karma]

What's "harcore" about cheesing most mobs, standing on crates to kill mini bosses, and stacking certain stats that allow you to 1-3 hit things in game. This game is a gear check, it isn't hardcore. You can get a broken set of gear by just roaming around in normals, and you can get uniques from reward tokens for xp.

[knotty kernel]

why are playing a the tarkov skyrim mod game if you dont like gear diff. Like go play chiv you will have a better a time, every fight is relatively fair and skill based.

[feral karma]

Where's the hardcore part? You can walk up to a boss and do so much damage to it that you disreegard most mechanics it's suppose to have, making the fights very dull.

[feral karma]

a 600% difference is idiotic, and high end gear in tarkov can still be killed by lower geared players.

[knotty kernel]

yeah and let me tell you getting head eyes by chinese hackers every game is fucking annoying. Would much prefer running into your warlock goon squad than that, it won't feel as anticlimactic

[feral karma]

Yes, it's absolutely a shit feeling. I no longer play it and won't be going back.

[honest badge]

last wipe i was naked hitting a full geared gold player who popped trolls blood in storm hitting him 10 different times and he face tanked all of it wanted to cry

[feral karma]

I just want this game to get better, I really like the concept.

[honest badge]

barb btw

[feral karma]

Imagine if you played before they changed the PDR cap, was an amusing time to stab someone and they drink a pot and just look at you.

[honest badge]

it was 80 before wasnt it cant remember

[knotty kernel]

yeah but your idea of the game getting better is to fucking turn it into first person fortnite with swords. The game is a full loot rpg, with extraction mechanics

[knotty kernel]

nah it could go up to 95

[honest badge]

i did play during that just was starting out tho

[feral karma]

How is my idea to turn it into fortnite, nerfing the gear percentage discrepency isn't world ending, and getting 1-3 shot by broken stacked stats on gear isn't a good experience, if it was the player base would be swelling.

[feral karma]

95%

Buff ball v buff ball is boring and shit combat.

[knotty kernel]

That was a better meta than we have now. You could counter the fighter by running +ture damage on every slot, or by using magic damage weapons. There was so much more build diversity back then. Honestly we need to go back to that time and undue every single change they made since

[honest badge]

tbf ttk is a little skewed in this game from getting 1 tapped by some classes then others sitting their letting you hit them 10 times then fighting back

[feral karma]

Yeah classes having the same movement speed cap is wack, especially considering the new player experience of some skills letting players run down classes they shouldn't be able to catch

[honest badge]

rip 350 move cap

[knotty kernel]

agreed, movespeed cap was a mistake now everyone is doing it. The reason we are in movespeed meta however is because they nerfed gear and removed all the good stats like +3 all and +weapon damage, so the only thing worth getting is move speed.

[feral karma]

I just hope the game starts to make some QoL changes, but it is early access so maybe someday they hyper focus on balance after they have added all the classes in.

[knotty kernel]

They should just focus on content, doing balance changes before introducing core gameplay mechanics like training and druid is stupid as fuck. They will just have to change it all again anyway.

[feral karma]

Why spread the player base across more maps when we are already spread across so many, and then further separated based on server?

[knotty kernel]

Because IM is dumb, we should remove things like GBMM and the leaderboard ranking que, Half my lobbies are empty or half full, because the player base is getting split like 4 times. And is also really low now.

[feral karma]

Yeah, I have had several games today playing HR and it's just been my team in it, on east coast servers.

imagine that your homeserver is Tokyo or Brazil and you try to play HR and you are getting ran over by people coming there to steam roll you with 299+ Kits, it's so strange that there is zero indicator on that.

[knotty kernel]

yeah its horrible. the only split in the playerbase should be the HR Vs normals partition

[tidal plover]

free magic gear trade wolockaflocka

[twin egret]

any1 wanna go ale hunting?

[feral karma]

Yeah and just think we will eventually have six maps, with Normal and HR versions, plus eight different servers, and that is if they stop making maps and adding new servers to the game. Such a division of the player base, and the fact that some players play in their home servers and get giga punished for it by having the gear score cap removes is horrible and unfair to them.

[knotty kernel]

dont worry the game will be dead before we have 6 maps

[fleet parcel]

maybe a shit take but I think the 2nd stash tab should be alot cheaper or you should start with two stash tabs gives players the ability to have a tab for collectables, money random crap for quests and stuff you keeping to trade etc, but also a tab for you to actually collect loot to wear.

[mellow wraith]

what can I get with iron ingot ?

[knotty kernel]

agreed, now that I know there are 5 stash tabs, the first two should be cheaper. Third should be like 10k not second.

[spare jetty]

I guess I completely misinterpreted the patch notes, I thought it was making creeping easier. Thanks for the explanation

[dull ginkgo]

throwing axes, lockpicks, something else i think

[sinful gull]

I want less stash tabs. I think its really just making it grindy because if nolifers will be able to stack more hightier items, everything will be less affordable for new players and mid tier players. The tabs should also be cheaper for the same reason. All the Items that help min max your stash value like ores coinbags/chests/keys should be lower in value and less available if not removed. This is what leads to HR being unattractive for new players more than anything else. Shorter wipe cycles+ less item hording will help prevent player population drops. We used to be able to go from broke to chad to broke again in one evening, so if you have no gear left you know you are just 1 evening away from being fine again and arent up against people with x30 times the ressources you have to gear up.

[cosmic swan]

Bear trap, trap disarming kit, white pickaxe

[runic isle]

What are you even talking about? There definitely should be more stash space.
You should not be punished and forced to sell good items just because you have no space to keep it for later use

[mental halo]

I don’t think stash space is quite the issue as much as the prices to get it. 3k to 10k for the first two is a lot when you are starting out. Makes the game super inaccessible. 2k 5k and the. Have at it after that.

[woeful plume]

I was just thinking 3k, 5k, 10k, then every 5k after that.

[timid sky]

What is triggering hide to bug and not work? Just weapon effects or is the skill bugged in general?

[onyx flare]

I was checking the player list and for a moment I thought I was in the wrong server

[earnest current]

From 2 million players in the 3rd beta test, after the official release there were 400k players at the same time, the first wipe reduced by half to 200k, the 3rd wipe was 70k-40k, and now there are 2k players left, Hackers successfully took over this game only because of how to lock the hacked character, not the entire account

[brisk lava]

lol, cheaters definitely arent responsible for the player loss

[sinful gull]

But why ? It is not a punishment if everybody has to do it.. By that logic any inconvenience should be removed from the game. Like why do mobs even deal dmg? just remove dmg from all mobs, ez. Its like saying homework for school is a punishment.. when everybody does it, it isnt.. if only you get extra homework it would be a punishment. So you want unlimited stash size? cause the more the merrier, right?

[mental halo]

There’s was never a world where DND was going to sustain even 100k people. The game is way too niche. The issue is now that the pop has dropped, what type of changes are going to bring people back. They can’t add more maps to spread people out. Not sure what can be done

[sinful gull]

We had big numbers at the start of the wipe. Then came tons of issues/rollbacks/multiclassmadness, but only when we kind of went back to normal did it drop like this, which makes me think its the long wipes, cause this has happened everytime IM did longer wipes. Oh and the banwave ofc.

[runic isle]

yes, in fact, a lot of players, love plundering stuff, and people like looting.
Looting is addictive, looting is wha keeps the game alive
If IM want's to increase player happiness, they should increase stash spaces

[scenic hornet]

2k players lmao chill bruh

[sinful gull]

You are kind of ignoring my original points, but ill try my best here: Ask yourself what the problem is, A) Not enough fun looting. B) New Player experience and retention. your suggestion adresses A), mine adresses B).

[runic isle]

yeah but that new player will not have enough fun looting after they get their hands on the game a bit

[sinful gull]

Well, currently before the big patch. New players cant even use gear in HR without getting rolled by "16h a day" players. So how do you enjoy looting if you cant use gear?

instead ask yourself how can we make HR feasable for new players so that they can use the gear in the first place

[runic isle]

Proper gear based matchmaking

instead of what we have now
gear score calculator should be rewritten
it should have way more complex calculation instead of what we have now

OR, the gear should be reworked. Current gear score would work fine if you would remove true/add damage completely

otherwise, as a new playerr, you get enough gear and gold til you reach level 20 from normal, so you can put together budget build to run in HR

That's how i used to do. I would run few times normals, get some gear and gold, go to HR.
Repeat, and at some point, you don't go to normal anymore.
HR feeds itself

[sinful gull]

If you say more stashes how many do you think should be the limit? I agree with the MM, im sure it will be much better next season but there is no guarantee for it to actually provide a better experience for new players specifically. I still dont think more and more stash size is the solution. Like if you dont start at the beginning of the wipe you will be lost, back in the day it wouldnt matter whatsover this game was gear heavy but you got gear fast and people couldnt hord it to run godsets for the entire last month of the wipe.

[earnest current]

According to the death camera perspective and the perspective when attacking, it is almost certain that with a new hack, all attacks will pass through the person using the hack. If it is said that wall hacks can kill, then this new type of hack will almost 100% If you lose, even if you hit it, it's still counted as not hitting, and vice versa, if you only get 1 hit, you'll die immediately

Just trying to enjoy the last days before the wipe, hackers are almost everywhere on every server. Ironmace showed great love for hackers, only giving them a ban for few hours and letting hackers create new characters and continue hacking.

[runic isle]

I started this wipe 4 weeks ago
I am demigod, I have about 20 skull keys in my stash, and I have all stashes open.
I play about 5-6 hours a day
I know not everyone can have the same amount of time to play daily
But for sure, there is no difference when you join to the wipe.
If you don't play much, you don't need stash spaces
For someone who plays a lot, i need stash spaces
I now store extra loot on my other characters - which is pretty annoying to transfer loot, especially when there is no built in mechanic to transfer between you characters

How many stash spaces? 15 lets say, increase the price +5000 with each next page.
If there are people who want to grind that money for it - good for them

if you don't need them, then you don't buy them. But for sure it will not hurt new or old players

[runic isle]

I would quit if my account would get banned.
Imagine you spent two months building gears and stash spaces and everythign is gone. I don't think they would come back and start from scratch

[sinful gull]

I play similar hours usually but since early playtests. You are a chad gamer if that is true. And I cant tell you that you would have liked the game back then, infact it was much worse than now imo. But all the OG´s know that there is a little something missing because this used to be the anti-grind extraction game together with Hunt. The game had a different pull. And for us 4-7H a day players it is the lack of new players that is the matter, usually new players wont reach endgame as fast as you would, ive never had demigod for example. Its just about the grind there is clearly more grind with more stashes and gold bags because even the noobs have to fight against people like you or even super nolifers and they are gonna have 10% of the wealth you have, being less geared accordingly. 1 stash... 2... 10 stashes, doesnt matter the sweats have those filled in 2-3weeks.

[earnest current]

Only using the hacked software will be banned, and what Ironmace is doing is to detect hack but only block a few hours but still switch to another character to continue playing, it is almost hacker without blocking, from Season 1 hacker 20%, Season 2 increased to more than 45% and this batch almost 80% hacker in every server, only because the reason is only hacked to treat the hack

[runic isle]

nah man, do you even realize what numbers are you providing here? so you want to say when i go into lobby with other 9 players, 8 of these 9 are cheating ? No man.
Also they don't ban characters. They ban the account. And they ban at least for 3 days for manual examination.

[cursive shuttle]

I will agree with thre being a lot of cheaters in this game.

Yesterday alone I reported about 8 people and 6 of them got banned.

But that was 4-6 hours of gameplay. And those cheats were super obvious.

[elfin fern]

Why are the charts for AP costs inconsistent with the actual AP cost when you finish a dungeon? Did IM not take the game down for half a day to address this problem???

[scenic hornet]

What server

[cursive shuttle]

East/West

[winged hatch]

anyone able to play test servers? they seem to be down

[vestal falcon]

Where do you buy ur drugs I would like some

[static rapids]

Game will stay dead if they continue to cater to the people who play the game the least or new players. Play the game and grind it out like everyone else. Why do you guys want this game to be so easy? Honestly lmao. PLAY AND GET BETTER

[fervent prawn]

They can use the gear by equipping it

[sinful gull]

You are going to school or dont have a job and thats fine. But understand there are other people out there too, other games aswell. And IM is gonna have to make some money at some point. I have 1k+ hours and you probably too. We are allready happy customers, they need new customers to grow. Nobody cares if the people are unhappy that allready had fun for 1k hours.

[fervent prawn]

Game isn’t dying because it’s got a skill floor lol

[vast falcon]

False all players are at interest they do a balance of both some things for newer players and something’s for veterans players it’s a combination so that it’s best if Botha worlds

[sinful gull]

Sure, agreed. I doubt you even know what I was talking about tho.

[static rapids]

1k hours are the people that come back and play the most do you hear yourself? You want to make the game Fortnite so 6 year olds can play lmfao. It’s supposed to be a hard game and you soy boys keep crying how hard it is. Get better or don’t play the game, as you mentioned there’s plenty others

Full time job with a daughter btw but good assumption

[sinful gull]

OK kid, now explain to me what i said that would make the game easier? fortnite? what?

[barren ingot]

In regards to what alpha Mel Gibson said, IM do need to keep the veterans happy over new players. The veterans have been there since the start and have a passion to continue to play the game. More than half the new players quit within the month and move on. IM need to focus on game balance and content nothing else. If people think the game is too hard then they need to find another game. Devs cannot cater to both and I know sure as hell that I would be supporting those who supported me if I was a game dev

[trim fern]

I think the main issue that's not keeping newer players around is the skill ceiling. I played the betas and it was way worse than it is now buts its still not good enough to compete with other games. People want there dopamine hit and they can get that way easier in a game like Fortnite or COD.

[barren ingot]

Comes down to shitty ass balance in a PvP game tbh

[sinful gull]

Guys unless you know what I was even talking about, just dont respond. There was a context which has been completely ignored by the last 3 responses. There is no point in arguing about it now if you dont respond to the old original comment, although I appreciate that you are not being toxic at least Zod. I would never say something as unproductive and generalizing as that, it was just a response to somebody who didnt read my comment properly.

[sinful gull]

That is actually my point: I want higher TTK, less stash size. I also want stronger mobs,..etc. Gear diffing is annoying for new players, not skill ceiling.

[barren ingot]

Could you imagine how much better the game would be if they didn’t bother with Multiclassing and all the other small bs like creep ect. All that time and effort put into content and game balance? The future would be a lot brighter

[versed spoke]

TTK and gear diffing they must do something about gear scaling in general that is why TTK is so fast right now if they just did anything with TTK without touching gear then gear diffing will be easier than ever and people with lower gear will get more steam rolled then they have been

[misty iris]

Does anyone know when the season is over? How much time do I have to make it to Demi?

[sinful gull]

I would allmost bet money that this will be a big aspect of the next patch that they announced. People have been asking for this for a long time, it should be on the priority list when they talk about rebalancing.

[versed spoke]

yeah hopefully if they want this game to be better for release

[lucid turtle]

rouge's glowy hands can be seen while hidden

[echo sparrow]

about 24hrs

[scenic hornet]

Damn in 300 + lobbies??

[cursive shuttle]

299 and 300 lol.

[woeful plume]

GBMM is a myth. lol

[static rapids]

You are literally in here asking to make the game easier for new players, why does it have to be easier? If people don’t want to grind to get good at a game then don’t play this game, it’s that simple. And that’s the point you didn’t bring up a single point on how to make it easier for new players, you’re just crying that new players should get an easier time than the rest of us that actually played and grinded it out lmfao. You’re a goofball

“Instead ask how we make HR feasible for new players” which means making the game easier, if you’re still following along. HR isn’t for new players, that’s what Reggie’s are for lmfao

[sinful gull]

where did I say this? quote me. It is pointless cause it is not what I think. So try to take it out of context but I have no time for this BS conversation. I came here to discuss specific things, stashspace was all i mentioned at that point. Try to have a normal conversation and not this completely substanceless bs. Respond to something specific, and dont put words in my mouth. I have never said easy.

You should just let this rest. You responded to a discussing between 2 people and didnt even remotely read what its even about. I was saying the opposite of what you claim basically.

[paper mulch]

Gee I wonder why new players keep quitting this game that's increasingly built for the entrenched sweats

[cursive shuttle]

I love this game. But there are several things that need to change for the health of the game, balance of life for old and new players, and qol changes.

1. GBMM is good. Not great, not bad. But it's good. It needs works. It's stupid that torches and lockpicks count towards gear score and I think the levels of gear themselves need to be reworked.

2. The grind of the game is fine. But I thi k we currently have too many stashes. It allows God level players to stay on top by buying or holding onto several uponel several kits. Where less stashes would help to manage this problem a bit.

3. There needs to br a training zone/barracks where new players can go into a pvp free single module map to learn weapon combos, blocking skills, or just duel other people with a predetermined set of gear. This would be huge for the game and so easy for them to so. This is what would help keep new players around without messing up the balance for those of us who have been here awhile. This paired with normal games would be perfect. If they still leave after that, this is not the game for them.

4. Gbmm should also take into account ap. Pairing you with similar players of similar levels. I understand player count us down, but this again, would help to prevent new players from being Timmy stomped while allowing top players to pvp and have fun.

5. Balance the fking game. Stop adding new content and just fix the classes, balance the maps, and fix their crappy ai.

That's what this game needs.

[barren ingot]

Because the developers have tried changing way too much instead of balancing things properly TTK is way too fast for the noobs. Devs spent too much time on stupid ideas and tried changing the game every 2 weeks with some new great idea that only killed the playerbase more and more

[paper mulch]

easy agree on TTK and directionless changes. +DMG needs to die.

New players need love tho, mostly through QOL features + in game guidance / tutorials. I'm excited for the knight system.

[barren ingot]

A lot rides on season 3. If the devs don’t get their shit together it’s over. We have not many players left and it seems to be decreasing over time by quite alot

[gilded prairie]

In my opinion a lot of the gripe comes down to not enough options for PvP, and a relatively outdated map layout.

The game wasn't meant to be balanced for solos; it was meant for trios. It's going to be impossible to balance for both.

Add an arena mode and give people somewhere to organize fights and tournaments with their friends, and the option to engage in PvP without losing your set.

At the end of the day; people just wanna have fun, engage in good PvP, and get loot. Let Arena mode be for intense PvP and rankings, and the dungeon be an actual dungeon crawler ( I'm not saying get rid of PvP in the dungeon; it'll just give people a little more breathing room )

[sinful gull]

Pretty solid.. +1... We will see GBMM adressed and finally some balancing changes in the next patch. The thing I was talking about earlier is the stash thing, that one seems to be hard to get across to people, they love the convenience but dont seem to understand how the insane amount of stashes favors the sweatlords and ruins the economy early in the wipe.

[barren ingot]

If they ever took away the stash tabs I’d straight up quit the game

[cursive shuttle]

TTK is WAY too fast.

We run into an issue where regardless of gear[not counting heavy PDR/MR builds], you can get 3 tapped at anytime.

There needs to be the option of counter play in most instances and right now, there is none. Fights last a total of 3-5 seconds when the fighting actually happens. 1-3 hits will kill just about anyone and that's....boring.

It makes buying kits feel kinda worthless to most players.

TTK needs to slow down and true dmg needs removed from this game. As do +1 all att

[sinful gull]

Come on 😄 dont say that.. we used to have one and the difference was, that we could gear up fast and virtually had no grind because nobody got rich except key farmers.

the game had 200k back then and even though gear was out of control nobody felt like they got geardiffed as hard as we do today cause there was no grind. You win some you loose some...

[cursive shuttle]

2 additional stashes is the only amount we should ever get and even that is pretty accommodating I feel.

It allows for high skilled players to continue their rampage for way longer than it should due to the volume of inventory space they have.

I think additional stashes is a good idea. Not 6 additional stashes.

[gilded prairie]

We need an option to trade between characters. It gets ridiculous building kits when you have a ton of good gear spread out between characters

[barren ingot]

We also only had 1 map and everyone was noob. Now we all mid max and make fat stacks you need the room. The problem is gold takes up too much room

[sinful gull]

true just 6 stashes but for all chars... Also is alot for newbs who can only rank up 2-3 chars and sweatlords have a harder time with 7 chars leveld up.(im one of the sweats btw)

[gilded prairie]

We need a case for jewlery lol. Gold coin bags are easy enough to get; JEWLERY though. Hoooooly shit. Tooooo much room

I think 6 stashes connected to all characters; and then adding a few cases for gear would be a good balance

[barren ingot]

Agree on this for sure

Either way none of this matters if season 3 is shit and the game dies

[gilded prairie]

I've heard they intend to add backpacks soon so maybe that's something that could be a similar system

[brisk mason]

im praying for backpacks and quiver next wipe

[frigid hound]

When is the next wipe ?

[warm tendon]

Does anyone know if/when they will fix the missing magic damage on Blood Pact' E ability? Made a bug report for it months ago but still not seeing anything.

[cosmic swan]

June 7th

[twin cape]

So, I keep getting into High Gear Lobbies with a low gear team. Anyone know why this is happening?

[viscid dock]

the cork pull on the ale resting emote should have a pop sound

[fleet pelican]

Low player count on a server removes turns off gbmm

[twin cape]

[fleet pelican]

After minimal testing it looks like the new skin doesn’t actually give you +1 weapon damage

My rapier on bard was hitting for the same numbers with or without it

[brisk mason]

does anyone know how the dungeon recovery system works/had anything recovered by it?

[warm tendon]

I do not know but I'd like to know more.

[summer bobcat]

I heard "The hold the Line" edition is going away soon. do you think this means the test servers will open up to everyone. Since they are currently locked behind the edition.

[elfin fern]

@warm tendon if you die in the dungeon and your body is findable (ie not down a chasm), and nobody loots it, a random few items will be held by the goblin merchant under "Service"

[warm tendon]

That's so huge, more often than not, he player who kills me only has room to pick up one or two items and leaves the rest. Does the merchant ask a fee for returning some of the items?

[elfin fern]

yes, some items can be a few hundred gold, but if you're leaving actual kit it's not bad at all

[brisk mason]

weird. how long is it in the service tab since i have never seen anything in there

[elfin fern]

after the dungeon closes, i think it stays in there for around an hour and then is destroyed

[stone haven]

It should last longer. Like 1-2 days

[brisk mason]

interesting. thats such a short time

[knotty kernel]

worst post ever. All of these suggestions are bad.

GBMM needs to be removed not fixed, it splits the playerbase and makes lobbies empty.

Right now stashes are the games only gold sink and the only thing keeping gear prices from skyrocketing

This is a pvp extraction game, adding dueling modes just defeats the purpose of the game, it is not intended to be a chivalry clone where you have fair one on one matches.

Once again splitting up the playerbase based on AP also makes it harder to fill lobbies.

And the worst take of them all. IM has done nothing but balance this game every week for a year, and it has only gotten worse. New content is the only thing that can possibly save this game now.

[brisk mason]

bro the game needs more storage. that is such a dumb take. also ap is at such a bad system and if gbmm takes it into account it will make even more dead and unbalanced lobbies

[abstract valve]

What should i focus on when building barb famine Kit?

[brisk mason]

are u in solos or trios

[warm tendon]

Found the tab and it had something in it. Thanks a lot!

[abstract valve]

Trios

[brisk mason]

most trios barbs i see just stack hella mdr and pdr and health. then your cleric just sancs on top of you when you famine

[gritty breach]

so is the wipe tomorrow?

[stable echo]

I mean not everything the guy said was bad. I would love a training mode or an ability to test things without having to go into a raid. I would like to be able to test not just how much dmg I do with weapons/spells but also how much dmg reduction I get with gearsets vs different weapons

[cursive shuttle]

GBMM is so underrated by most people. As I feel they do not understand the gameplay at all whenever we didn't have it.

In GBMM lobbies, you ALWAYS have a chance of winning your fight. 299 BIS is still 299. The gear diff isn't SO large that as long as I am not in base kit, you will auto win against me like it used to happen in EVERY SINGLE GAME BEFORE GBMM.

People often forget how every lobby was a team or two of purps just clearing the lobby to clear the lobby. Not even looting bodies. It was a toxic system and GBMM has done much to fix those issues.

They even went back to map rotation, which is the best thing they could of done to help with lobbies. My lobbies have been full for days now in norms, 299, and 300+.

Stashes may be the only gold sink, but they are still bad for the longevity of the game. It allows players to hold onto way too much gear and their risk of losing goes down exponentially.

I agree that the game needs another gold sink. Stashes are NOT the way to go in the long run.

I never said anythig about dueling. I disagree about that entirely. This is a dungeon crawler pvp extraction game. Where did I mention dueling? Or are you getting confused with the barracks/training zone I mentioned? Because that is not the same thing as what I said and you need to read it again.

I don't know if the ap system is all that great. GBMM still needs work as well.

They are getting better at adding in a better way for people tom play more fairly. But that part was more of an opinion.

Their balancing needs more work. Let's take a lok at the ONE class who has stayed on top this entire wipe. Warlock. They "attempt" to balance this class out, by refusing to attack the class at it's core issue. It does way too much.

I'm not even gonna bring up how it took them from playtest 1 until the beginning of this year to fix the issues with fran axes and barbs. That was an issues that took them years to fix when it made barbs stronger than ranged classes.

The issue still isn't solved, but it's better.

[knotty kernel]

He was not arguing for some place to go hit training dummies. He wants a mode where you can go into the dungeon solo and fight mobs and bosses without other people there. Which will just further split the playerbase and take people out of lobbies. He was also suggesting the addition of some dueling mode to fight other players without having to go into the dungeons. Both these things fundementally misunderstand the purpose and genre of this game. DnD is not a dungeon crawler and it is not a medival combat simulator, it borrows mechanics and design ideas from these genres, and puts them into a extraction looter where the pve and pvp elements are blended you can't have one without the other.

[cursive shuttle]

You boviously read my post wrong. Read. It. Again. It's not an actual game mode. It's a starting zone for them to learn the core mechanics of the game.

[sharp berry]

That’s not at all what he said lmao.

He said a place you can go in and practice. Not fight bosses for free. Learn to read

[cursive shuttle]

Lobbies have been decent for awhile now. I do agree their ap system was hot garbage. GBMM is a much better system and just needs fine tuned to be even better.

More stashes, as I posted above again, is a terrible idea for the longevity of the game.

[knotty kernel]

Oh look the IM defense leauge is back, where were you guys? I missed you last week, everyone was agreeing with me that the game was doomed, and it got kinda borring in here.

[cursive shuttle]

This is such a funny response to me. Skips over an entire part of the post, gets called out for it, goes to an insult because they realized they were wrong.

How pleasant.

[sharp berry]

Lmao what? Nothing what I said has anything to do with IM. I criticize them all the time. They bombed this wipe hard.

None of that has to do with your inability to read the dudes post correctly though

[brisk mason]

idk the lobbies still arent fully most of the time.

and there is no reason to be forced to having no stash space and be unable to hold gear and stuff. It just punishes you for being successful. Its such a bad change and its why no game of this genre has that mechanic

[cursive shuttle]

I didn't say get rid of ALL stashes either. But right now, there are just too many stashes.

This is a risk/reward game. When you have that many stahses, it highly reduces the risk of losing when you can put 10+ kits in backup.

With less stashes, you have to pick and choose more carefully. While still having room to enjoy the game.

[brisk mason]

I mean you have to be successful and get money to actually get backup kits. I see no issue if that? I do not enjoy being forced into having no room and having to min max the shit out of my stash constantly.

[cursive shuttle]

2 extra stashes is plenty my man. Plenty of room for all your gold, meds, kits, etc.

Especially with gold bags and chests helping to save room.

[sharp berry]

Your stuffs still at risk, having multiple sets still means you earned them, whether killing people, finding, or buying.

Only thing it does is reduce downtime between games which is only a positive.

[knotty kernel]

As I said GBMM splits the playerbase and makes lobbies empty, any supposed gain isnt worth the cost. However there are still other issues. One GBMM removes zero to hero mode, it creates a difference in expectation between 299 and up, and it also has rippling effects across the game and economy by creating a niche for twink gear. EI gear that has max stats without going over limit. Try fighting someone with +true damage on every green.

[brisk mason]

it isnt lol. and the game already has a huge gold storage issue with gold storage items costing over 4x what they actually store.

It is not plenty of room for anything, especially when quests items take up half of it.

this is just such a bad idea for a change. Yeah lest just punish players for being successful and getting more gear. like what u mean

[cursive shuttle]

This will be the last time I respond to you at this point. As it's obvious you are not reading the posts, but either skimming them, or just choosing to ignore entire parts of them.

299 GBMM is ALWAYS winnable. I have beaten people in 299 in base kit with them in BIS. And it;s something that is possible to do with actual skill.

There is no amount of skill to close the gap between a grey kit and a 400+ kit. No chance.

And again, true damage needs removed entirely. That stat is BS.

[cursive shuttle]

Based off what you said before, besides the chest itself, the gold bags are INSANELY easy to get. Farm troll and wolves and the bags are free.

You spend no money on them that way. The chest would be the only thing you would ever have to buy.

[sharp berry]

I’m pretty casual and have stashes full of shit that are good enough to be sold. Why? Because I just click it over. I absolutely HATE spending time in between games needing to organize, sell, buy, etc.

Limiting stash space would just make this way worse when you’re just trying to get some games in with the boys

[cursive shuttle]

This is why I say to limit the amount of stashes we get, not take them away entirely. That would be terrible.

[plucky pendant]

Wiz solo tips

[knotty kernel]

In regards to your post about balance. First of all I could care less if warlock was on top. This is a class based game one class will always be on top. That is how metas work, you hit one nail another will pop out. Even then Warlock has not been that oppressive and serious changes were made to make the class less dominant like the BoC nerf which was huge but deserved.

And honestly barb has never been OP. Even when achilles could two hit you, barb wasnt op. And franciscas do not nerfs. If you are getting hit consistently with franciscas that is your fault.

[sharp berry]

Taking stashes away is limiting them. Lol

Really don’t see the issue. Less stashes = just more time fucking around making sure it’s cleared out enough for the next haul of pvp kills

[knotty kernel]

put in another 200 hours

[plucky pendant]

k thanks

[sharp berry]

lmao. Go to the wizard channel homie

[plucky pendant]

Oh my bad

[knotty kernel]

for more serious info, the way wiz wins, is by using haste and invis to just kite forever. You want to stack as much knowledge as possible and prob use a spellbook for max move speed lowest cast time. After that it is really just practice, kiting people and landing magic missle and fireball or icebolt

[warm tendon]

Don't forget zap

[median hearth]

playing rogue is so much fun btw u just out run everyone and shoot with handcrossbow whole game funny

[knotty kernel]

yep on 5 spell mage, your spells should be. Haste Invis Magic missle zap and then your choice between fireball and icebolt

[tropic dove]

Do the final cosmetic reward quests end at wipe or end of the season (1 day)?

[warm tendon]

Leaderboards close tomorrow but I suspect the quests to be up till the new season begins.

[knotty kernel]

i mean yeah, that is what happens when you take away all the damage rogues have. there only option is to just kite you.

[tropic dove]

Good deal. That is what I was thinking and hoping for too. Appreciate it!

[median hearth]

what u mean XDD rogue can onetap everyone with mid gear xddd

[knotty kernel]

then why you complaining about them kiting you with handcrossbow. Shouldn't you be complaining about them onetapping you

[cosmic swan]

The cosmetic quest end at wipe so until the 7th

[median hearth]

cuz its unplayble game when every player jumping around map and shoot u on range tf just delete all melee weapons useless

idk iron mace just troll so much players leave game cuz of this ''players'' abusing every single broken item in game

[knotty kernel]

Well there are several ways IM could fix this problem. The first would be to just add back Damage stats to chest peices. That is the reason we are in this movespeed meta in the first place. Because they removed the ability to have +3 wep damage or +3all or +5% pys reduction on a chest piece. Because of the removal of good stats, it is now not worth wearing gear, because gear has a negative consequence. IE you move slower. And in the new meta move speed is worth more than those worthless stats you actually roll on most gear. So now it is better to just run around naked. This is what we call unintended consequences, and why people arguing for balance changes are usually a little mentally difficient.

[hasty eagle]

should pre teaming with a bunch of lengendary be bannable

cause I see people abusing it like every 2 games for ap

[gilded prairie]

Pre-Teaming in general is bannable

[hasty eagle]

well it is hard to report them when they are running into the coner of a map and giving each other loot

[median hearth]

yeah yesterday i played like 4 games and in all game i have preteam ironmace dont care

[hasty eagle]

they are not preteamming to kill, but it is obviously still not ethical to do this to grind ap

[gilded prairie]

Unfortunately the only way you can report is to die and spectate

[median hearth]

yeah i report all of them and still dont have any feedback or smh

[gilded prairie]

Pre-Teaming is usually hard to process so for that specific ban case I would try to get a clip as well. It's a tough thing for them to work with though

[median hearth]

i played solo crypts and chase fighter then i get silence from rogue and both of them start chase me to portal crazy game

[hasty eagle]

they should examine people's loot

[solemn cradle]

Are they wiping stashes and characters Monday @everyone

[hasty eagle]

it is not normal for a team to leave with 7 legendary rod thing every game

[warm tendon]

They characters will be wiped when the new season starts.

[hasty eagle]

sorry 10 legendary weapon, of the same kind, cause they only buy the cheapest weapon

[half kernel]

Just going to shoot this out into the void.

I will not be playing next wipe without these QOL improvements:

1 - Shared quest progress among all characters on my account (Having to choose between making no quest progress and playing a class which you have played 50 times this week and are completely bored of just sucks.)

2 - Access to all white level gear on the squire by the time you complete the first week's quests. I have really been enjoying low roller, but putting white gear behind nearly 60 quests spread across 3 merchants which you can only finish in the last month of the wipe is just straight dumb. Nobody enjoys checking the merchant or having to re-kit all the time.

Ok, now come talk shit at me for saying anything dispairaging at all.

[gilded prairie]

Wipe is June 7th

It'd be sweet if they brought out even just a poor version of arena for the last week of wipe.

I wanna be able to run my artifacts back to back to back to back; whether I lose or not lmao

[formal moon]

[shell flicker]

Where the hell do you guys find most ale?

[cosmic swan]

Frost cavern, focus Large Wooden chest and small/medium bronze chest. Take some lockpick for the bronze chest (Or do the quest with a rogue)

Also don't take luck potion it might reduce your chance to drop Ale

[sharp berry]

Chests. Found most of mine while doing the other 2 map quests looting chests

[small marsh]

Let's stop encouraging them to release things WAY too early lol

[gilded prairie]

It's the last week of wipe. Fuck it brother lmao

[shell flicker]

and @sharp berry aight thanks, ill give that a try

[cosmic swan]

I got at least 1 or 2 ale by run will doing the Kobold ear and opening all big chest

[shell flicker]

Damn, I've been skipping most chests and just went for Kobold Ears..
I need 1 more wendigo but ill guys ill start opening more chest on Goblin caves too

[subtle heart]

anyone else having troubles launching the game?

[primal raven]

does that mean the season rewards get decided tomorrow when leaderboard is over?

[knotty kernel]

I don't see much point to either shared quest progression or access to white gear. The quests are just something to do, you dont really need to do them, they confer little benefit. None of the crafted items are bis, and you can just buy bis gear anyway. And when it comes to whites just buy them from the market. If you only play norms, you can make enough to purchase full sets of white. These QOL just don't seem necessary.

[mental halo]

Is there any chance your rank could be in jeopardy if you play between now and reset?

[limber badge]

If you fall in rank yes

[mental halo]

Like it doesn’t track your highest it tracks current?

[granite gyro]

Where you end is what you get

[limber badge]

Yep exactly
When the season ends, that's the rank you get

[primal raven]

so just stop when you peak and switch to a new class >:)

[mental halo]

Glad I asked!!! Thanks lol

[elfin fern]

i dont understand why they do this, unless it's to discourage deranking for easier games, but considering how broad the pool from pathfinder on is it doesnt make any sense

[frigid hound]

thx mate

[chilly sentinel]

is there a trade chat in this discord

[marsh estuary]

no go to the collector's guild

[frigid hound]

wtf with the falchion ?

can't use it, im kind of blocked when i 1st use it

[plush bison]

gam ded

[empty sun]

yeah you can send video evidence too to #in-game-reports

[formal moon]

game dead

[flat mist]

has rogues invis been changed? was standing still and someone managed to know where I was

[formal moon]

bugged

[gilded prairie]

There's a bug right now that shows your hands glowing while in stealth

[flat mist]

love that

[cosmic swan]

There is a bug, people can see the aura on your weapon when using skill like rupture or cut throat and also the potion on your belt

[formal moon]

Dev's continually fumble the bag

[elfin fern]

Is ANYONE ELSE getting the WRONG AP PENALTY in PATHFINDER II SPECIFICALLY?

if this isnt cosmetic i am getting screwed out of thousands of ap

[sly frost]

Are we getting a hot fix today

[undone belfry]

for what

[sly frost]

Fixing game

[cosmic swan]

To really fix the rogue hide?

[sly frost]

Hence the word fix

[cosmic swan]

But I guess it's better to just wait for the end of the rank season

[timid temple]

I saw warlock earlier with 4 potions equiped on his belt, but none of them were showing. I only saw after i died. Warlock doesnt have that ability correct? whats going on

[timid temple]

just making sure your awaree the different maps have different AP entry fees

[cosmic swan]

If you have a clip of that try sending it here #report-a-bug

[timid temple]

thanks

[cosmic swan]

Np 👍

[elfin fern]

wait, it says that somewhere? the chart didn't mention it or i'm bad at reading

[subtle heart]

THE CHEATERS ARE RUNNING RAMPANT ON THE LAST DAY OF LEADER BOARDS. IN THE PREGAME LOBBY A ROGUE WITH A FKN SPEAR MOVED THE TRAINING DUMMYS TO BLOCK THE BOTTOM OF THE PREGAME MAP. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IRON MACE. UPGRADE YOUR ANTI CHEAT THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!

A ROGUE WITH A SPEAR, AFTER MULTICLASSING IS GONE. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE AND WE NEED AN EXTENSION OF THE LEADERBOARD. ONE, DUE TO THE HUGE AMOUNT OF DOWN TIME THIS PAST WEEK. AND TWO, THE VERY LAST DAY OF THIS LEADERBAORD, IS INFESTED WITH CHEATERS. I FREAKING HATE THIS GAME RIGHT. IT FEELS LIKE TRASH CUZ OF THE TWO PRIOR MENTIONED THINGS. FOMO AND CHEATERS DONT FKN MIX

[wooden light]

Anyone able to run this on steam deck

[jagged kindle]

My friend tried but he couldn’t get the game to start when he was trying the trial run

[elfin sigil]

is the new frost skele still giving 1 weapon dmg for -3 movespeed?

[brisk mason]

Ye. its bis

[gilded prairie]

Someone in here said they tested it, and that it didn't seem to be working.

They DID say it was very minimal testing though lol

[feral karma]

It isn't cheating man, they are moveable after an update, you can move them with spells and shit

[sly frost]

I want to see the next hotfix notes

[slow holly]

One, chill out, no need to all-caps-rage. Two, see above. Three, let me restress number one.

[viral void]

is anyone elses UI (menu) lagging really bad ?

[gilded prairie]

He's saying cheaters because it was apparently a rogue with a spear. Allegedly

[barren ingot]

Does not sound far fetched at all to be honest. Games riddled with cheaters and has been the entire of season 2

[jolly canopy]

where are people getting ale form

[blazing latch]

Remove gear based matchmaking if i'm going to queue with 299 and see named item. fix your trash game ironmace

[subtle heart]

ALL CAP RAGE IS NECESSARY WHEN CHEATERS RUN AMOK LAST FKN DAY OF WIPE. WHEN I REPORTED THE ROGUE WITH SPEAR, IT SAID HE HAD ALREADY BEEN REPORTED. I WILL YELL TO THE HEAVENS AND BACK ABOUT THIS

[warped raft]

large wooden chests seemed to be the most luck then any of the bronze chests, also check the floors in and around and secret areas that have large chests in them, sometimes the ale is just sitting there

[jolly canopy]

ty

[earnest trout]

my game is literally so laggy i drop to likw 10 fps every game

[upper locust]

SAME

[upper wren]

is there a cap to +true magic dmg? true is better than add right?

[elfin fern]

why is the zweihander hitbox so wildly out of sync with where the sword is, it always hits me and ignores my buckler

[dreamy ember]

I wonder what the tick rate of the servers are

[pulsar socket]

Can we up phantomise cooldown by 5 seconds just a thought on a very powerful tool

[mellow perch]

does dungeon recoveries work w goblin merchant?

[pulsar socket]

If no one took your brought in gear it'll go to him and you buy it back at a gold cost per slot value I believe

[scenic hornet]

so when are they nerfing longsword lmfao

[dreamy ember]

What kind of nerf would you have in mind?

[scenic hornet]

idk someting about riposte dmg being insane

[desert patrol]

I dunno man, it seems like the hit reg on the riposte is already a good enough nerf

[scenic hornet]

what do u mean

[desert patrol]

when you're using a longsword to riposte you're already banking on skill to make the parry but with issues with what does and doesn't count as a hit to the sword I often struggle with even getting a riposte to go off

[subtle heart]

Demigod is too fkn hard to hit with all these dam cheaters man. ALSO show us the fkn rewards at the start, so we know what we grinding for

[scenic hornet]

ah maybe idk I just feel the riposte dmg is just dumb af

[subtle heart]

EXTEND THE LEADERBAORD IRON MACE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

[scenic hornet]

what are the best slayer fighter weapon to use against longsword ? meaning what weapons are hard to parry when you use longsword ? I feel i just cant not hit longsword with slayer weapons when the guy crouch and look up lmfao

[desert patrol]

anything that hits even a little bit vertically like if you're trying to cut my head in half I can't really block that with the hilt

[subtle heart]

WE NEED LEADERBOARD EXTENSION CUZ OF CHEATERS AND HOW LONG THE SERVERS BEEN DOWN THIS PAST WEEK. FFS EXTEND ITTTT

[scenic hornet]

i was using aiming sword + short sword I felt it was instant parry and riposte rip me lmao

[desert patrol]

dang, honestly I could never so I just gotta give that bro mad props for the insta riposte

But yeah that's all my helpful info, have a great time bro. anything else with longsword is something you could find out by testing it in a few runs

[scenic hornet]

been playing a long time but never had issue against longsword but recently I just felt everyone parry everything lmao

[desert patrol]

Oh fr? I haven't played much for this season so it may be busted now tbh

[scenic hornet]

Probably not Im just a shit slayer fighter xD

[desert patrol]

lol I'm a shit warlock so I know the pain

[gilded prairie]

Hot take:

Remove invis pots from the game

[formal moon]

Not a hot take at all, people been complaining about it forever

[honest badge]

ive practically have mained longsword all season and the parry kills i get are insane XD

[blazing latch]

Calling this a pvp game is insanely garbage with how bad this balance is. fix your garbage ass game.

[limber badge]

Haha slayer go brrrr

[left smelt]

which team comp is better:
wizard, warlock, cleric
or
wizard, warlock, bard
?

[cosmic swan]

True is fix if you have 10 you'll do 10 anyway even if you hit the head or the foot. Additional scale with the limbs shot and head shot with 10 additionnal if you hit the head you'll do 15 damage, but it will also get reduced by the enemy resisrance. So if you are good and hit almost only bodyshot/headshot additional maybe better against most class.

[brisk mason]

bard

[left smelt]

Thank you

[cosmic swan]

It's not logical but the longer you get stagger when you parry with the longsword the longer you get to riposte so any weapon with a very low impact power make it harder to riposte if you hit the blade. So even if it won't do a lot of damage, a stilleto in second hand will be hard to parry and even if they do it'll let a really low time to riposte for your enemy

[glacial valley]

Finally hot exemplar :c really wish they could extend the season

[undone peak]

twice today I've been killed by people teaming in solos, I just got ran down on by 3 people in hr goblin caves.

They all three had red names, do they get banned for this kind of behavior?

annoying as fuck spending 3k-5k on a kit when starting wipe late. Makes me paranoid to run my fulgor kit.

[mossy wing]

It depends if it is pre-teaming, i.e joining a discord call and joining solo, or organic teaming in which they met in-dungeon and decided to band together which is allowed, in any case, teaming is not allowed to hunt other players, it is best to report them if you think they were pre-teaming sir 🙂

[undone peak]

well they i ran from 2 and a third cut me off going into another grid, and all three looted my body. safe to say they were pre-teaming.

[shell flicker]

Would be nice yea, prob still won't make it but then ill try to get the Ale quest done too

[proper sandal]

What if instead of a Rotation you just Queeded up for solos duos or Trios and as a lobby voted on a map because you have your entire player base spread across 9 different matchmaking where as if you voted in game it would be everyone spread across 3 Matchmakings we got empty lobbies in NA East with almost 5k people in the game

[brisk lava]

just dont activate skills before hiding

[safe thistle]

yeah just don't use ur skills

ez fix

[remote hinge]

anyone know math to how much agility need to keep 330 ms w -10 wpn out

[rocky plover]

is it just me or is the menu laggier than before?

[brisk lava]

i think its laggier the fuller your stash is lol..on my main its laggy af on my alts it isnt

[solar sage]

So instead of devs actually making the game decent for new players,they're just gonna base everything off voluntary work?

[delicate solar]

Oh, "Sherpas". Noice, I guess. But after preparing for new ppl would be good to actually attract someone.

[delicate solar]

Where did you get "base everything" part from?

[solar sage]

The game has litterally no other help for new players

Like none,at all.Not a tooltip,not a tutorial,nothing

[delicate solar]

Lol, so? That still does not mean that "they're just gonna base everything off voluntary work" at all. Why them making one thing a certain way (the same way it goes in other popular game they took a lot of ideas from previously) does mean they for sure will be doing everything the same way after that ))? I'm just saying that's a leap and wondering where did you take it from.

[small marsh]

I suspect there'll be some more new player friendly features coming up in the next wipe, but of course there's no confirming that

[lunar depot]

it doesnt help new players but its a very niche game i think this whole hall of knights thign looks real bad too

if you know your game is so unwelcoming to new players you need a round table of hand holders then pshhh

love the game but the last while here they have done nothing but put time into shit the dedicatedplayerbase they built wanted

thats why games die and its a shame this one is walking that path

[calm jolt]

Does the squire or item recovery has any purpose anyway?
IMO, squire just makes purchasing basic stuff in merchants pointless, and item recovery will just inflate really good quality items faster during season (probably not the best gear as those will be looted most cases).

[stark edge]

Is the game better or worse than it was a year ago? Also has the active amount of players been going up or down?

[vapid arch]

You're better off getting add move and percent move st a certain point, maybe s good copperlight tunic

But if you want high ms then aim for like 30-40 agi

[small marsh]

The squire is for helping new players have basic gear, really

If your disposition with merchants is high enough, you start receiving higher quality items up to Common, so do enough quests and you get that

It's pointless IF you exclusively run high roller with 299 gear or whatever, but if you're like me and generally prefer the gameplay experience of Normals, you'll get a lot of mileage out of it

[royal fulcrum]

NEW BUG ALERT! when rogue has his cutthroat,rapture or weakpoint active and is in invisible state {hide} his hands are still visible to other players

[modern breach]

do we need to have the quests finished by the end of the ranked season, or in a week?

[mossy wing]

In the week sir, you can do quests till the wipe on the 7th june 🙂

[serene mesa]

why does holy purification not work on people using skeleton skins?

[modern breach]

thank you, living up to your name.

[modern breach]

theyre not actually skeletons, theyre just pretending 🙂

[empty sun]

fair point...

[mossy wing]

no sir it is purely cosmetic (other then stats)

[mental jungle]

Purely cosmetic would have no stats

[rustic dawn]

Is rank closed yet? Ranked over?

[dry nebula]

10 hours 18 minutes left

[limber badge]

[calm jolt]

I guess my view is to make basic gear extremely cheap but I really dislike it to be completely free (in looting game). I would prefer to make it so you can configure some basic gearsets (multiple) and have them like 20gold or something like that. This is no much I think.

And, for squire to have all itself upgrades to common, you really need to grind to go through all quests.

[proper hollow]

You're the first person I see that doesn't like the squire lol

[tidal kelp]

does ghost king heal from suck?

[limber flame]

squire is nice purely off not having to buy bolts/arrows/traps

[lofty valve]

Games dead

[woeful plume]

You're right, can I have your stuff?

[rigid hinge]

waht happens tongiht, just end of season ?

[mossy wing]

The season ends, the leaderboard 'freezes' in place and that will be your rank for the season, wipe will be on the 7th of June, and we start anew for season 3 🙂

[rigid hinge]

ok thx! 😄

[scenic frost]

Player base for this game still strong? Haven't played in quite some time.. Also, is it still worth playing now, or is it to difficult since everyone is geared to all hell, and should just wait until wipe?

[undone night]

anyone know if the ear quests ends today as well or on the 7th, im still a few ears shy of my frost skeleton skin

[vapid arch]

7th

[topaz nova]

Does infernal pledge work on boss damage?

[solar sage]

Lack of proper decision making and verry bad com calls made the game fall off HARD.

We're currently at a point where even steam launch will not save it

If the game is free on steam,maybe itll get like 3 weeks of good pop before fading again

[shell flicker]

Give a finger and they want a hand

People just want free shit with 0 effort and then they cry there is nothing to do

The quest cosmetic brought me back after multiclassing, was pretty done with this wipe otherwise.
Good shit they made the last quest available for everyone.
Still no luck getting ale tho

[mossy wing]

Everyone is currently waiting for the next season, so the player bsse is a little low, its a prefect time to refresh yourself before wipe on the 7th of June:)

[cursive shuttle]

I am hoping a few things happen with next wipe.

1. Bring back ruins. Easily one of the best maps they had, along with ice caverns.

2. Leave multi-classing alone or put it on test server only. Same for druid until that crap is fxied lol.

3. Fix GBMM. Tune it up and make it to where certain things don't add towards gear score, like lock picks and torches.

4. Quests - They need to clean this up and make the drops easier for some of these or just get rid of some of the worse ones.

[white bison]

all I need for next wipe is for the devs to give my beautiful halberd a buff

[fervent prawn]

Better to remove GBMM than to fix it

[mental halo]

Thats pretty good. I feel like the 299 cut off didn’t hit the mark for me. I feel like it should have been a bit lower. Maybe 250. Shave some of the ridiculous high tier builds and put them in the higher tier. Just My opinion

[proven pewter]

Man why do the axemen still hit me when I crouch and look down? I can dodge the side swing attack from the longswordsman and the spearman, but not the axeman.

[white bison]

strafe to right and crouching and looking down is more consistent i find

[cursive shuttle]

GBMM is crucial longevity of this game. If you had played before it, you would know it was a bunch of gold geared people clearning entire lobbies with most people standing no chance

[proven pewter]

ok I will add that, thank you. maybe I am too close

[cursive shuttle]

Agreed.

[cursive shuttle]

Walk to the opposite side of their axe and go behind them so they do not swing forward or hit you with their side swing.

[fervent prawn]

You’re exaggerating, and it isn’t hard for a new player simply avoid fighting and build up a kit.

[mental halo]

I remember rangers eating me a live in HR trying to get going

There were definitely lobby clearing groups, maybe not every time but it happened A LOT

[cursive shuttle]

I have been playing since test 3.

2 weeks after wipe, it's nothing but high gear players doing their best to clear entire lobbies, leaving piles of bodies behind them they are not even looting.

You can't rat, you can't run.

They chase you down because it's fun for them.

This is not an exeggeration, this is a fact. There is a reason why GBMM was so heavily asked for.

End of wipes is when it got to the worstparts. Just abunch of people in gold gear running around around not letting you do anything.

[vapid arch]

because people want to use their gear and pvp before it gets wiped

[cursive shuttle]

Which is awesome and they should!

But it's super toxic to clear ENTIRE lobbies. Like, even the no gear people who stand no chance and are obviously not fighting.

Like, clear them, take nothing, move on.

So GBMM is in place to help with this issue.

You can ALWAYS win in your own bracket as long as you are not completely grey kit vs full BIS.

There is no winning in greens vs full purps and unqiues

[fervent prawn]

I can see how with rampant +all this might have been the case, but it clearly isn’t anymore. If we’re gonna use anecdotal evidence, then I’ll tell you that I rarely see insanely geared players while actively playing with 5,000+ kits. Also, why wouldn’t people use their kits before wipe? Should they simply market it off for the good of the community? Also, with the way the door mechanics work, you can easily disengage without trouble.

[cursive shuttle]

Barb crush, fireball wizards, rogue and ranger actions speed+.

False info

[fervent prawn]

Rogue is the worst class in the game and can be two tapped, wizards are ranged and cannot push as hard as the melee classes, barbarians taking out their axe takes time, and rangers get two tapped.

False info. Go farm up in the Ice Caverns located in the bottom right corner of the screen.

Oh, and francs are slow and inferior to throwing knives when it’s the only thing barbs can use. There’s a reason they stack high dex so they can actually pull out their weapons in reasonable time.

[fading ice]

I really wish there was some new player friendly mode/a singleplayer dungeon to allow yourself time to learn the game/class you're playing
learning bard is extremely annoying cause I'm just always calling players to me and have to fight 1v1s every minute

[cursive shuttle]

You definitely are not used to high level of play if this is how your games are going.

Watch high tier streamers like repoze, srslysoapy, ornalthi, spudhunter, or jay. Heck Dimo even as well.

The push meta is huge for most of the game.

Rangers and rogues can just..open a door to let their frontline through. Wizards will fireball the doors. Buffball meta is a huge attribute to this as well.

[cursive shuttle]

They need a barracks training zone where you can learn weapons, skills, and abiltiies freely without the worry of having to go into a dungeon every time.

This would be huge for the balance of the game.

[elfin fern]

ice cave spawns can be pretty gnarly rng

[fervent prawn]

PvE hits hard but isn’t hard to outmaneuver and kill in reasonable time with a blue weapon

[cursive shuttle]

Ice caverns can be hell. You get pushed from room to room while both fighting and clearing mobs if you get caught out.

Even if you can clear mobs quickly, I have seen aggro kill even the most experienced players.

[elfin fern]

pve isnt always the problem aside from the odd getting stuck due to ai movement - its when you combine it with pressure from other players that it becomes dangerous

[fading ice]

exactyly

[elfin fern]

you have to be super careful to either have a way to disperse the pve or have an exit strategy if you have a crap spawn far from nice places like bot right, mid left/pile, or top right

[fervent prawn]

The map is utterly massive and you can check your matchups in the tavern waiting room. PvE does kill but dark and darker has a good amount of strategical nuance so you could be occasionally remiss to consider more strategical factors before taking a fight.

[cursive shuttle]

For sure. But also, the pre-game lobbies are leaving. We may see that as soon as next wipe. It's already been confirmed.

So what then? You're never gonna know who is gonna be a part of what fight.

Pushing in this game is soooo easy.

Especially if you have the correct comp.

[fervent prawn]

Minmax 299 then lmao

[elfin fern]

i dont get why they'd get rid of pregame lobbies and not just inspect, the interaction before the game is part of what makes it what it is

[fervent prawn]

But then I don’t have a say since then it will become truly unpredictable but much more aligned with the genre

It’ll come down to how quickly you adapt 🤷‍♂️

[cursive shuttle]

Doesn't matter. Action speed in this game is huge.

Rogues and rangers can open and shut quickly. Like I said before, barbs have crush and wizards have fireball.

You say barb wep takes too long. Haste barb, easy fix.

This would be the case for ANY gear score. While this becomes easier with higher level gear, pushing is easy in this game unless the comp you're pushing is set up well for defense. Such as a barb/pdr, cleric, wiz/ranger or something similar.

Like dude, this isn't even an argument lol. You see it ALL the time. Again, check the streamers and watch their fights. Watch the tournaments in this game.

Look at all the comments here. There is a reason why GBMM is so popular. It needs fine tuning and I agree that 299 is too high and should be lowered though.

I also think lockpicks and torches should not count towards total GS either.

[elfin fern]

i dont know that 299 is the problem so much as true/ms stacking

[cursive shuttle]

GBMM was a huge win for this game. It's way better than what it what, but liuke everything else IM releases, it needs more balancing.

[elfin fern]

and maybe uniques etc not being worth "enough" gs

[cursive shuttle]

MS isn't as bad with the nerf from 350 to 330.

True dmg is garbage in this game and needs removed.

[soft spear]

Anyone having issues with game crashing from the tavern. I have been having alot of crashes not in game but when I access my stash merchants or generally navigating in the tavern. Cannot figure out how to resolve the issue. If anyone else has had this problem please let me know.

[cursive shuttle]

Have you tried reparing the game from the launcher?

[elfin fern]

so im a bard, right? im basically forced into ranged engagements against classes that are better at it (rogue rupture, ranger quadshot). this means we both have to be meta slaves and stack ms, them to avoid my melee, me to have any chance of winning/escaping. now all things being equal, odds are i will never get into melee range without getting absolutely dunked on first.

not sure how to get around that other than git gud at aiming

[fervent prawn]

So then why not also draft the same hard meta picks as part of your team? Your example makes it seem like there isn’t any counter-play which then makes it less of an argument but more of an indirect critique to the present rock paper scissors matchups

[topaz nova]

I don't think gbmm really fixed anything except in trios. That's just my opinion

[elfin fern]

i honestly thought gbmm was nice at 199 and before everyone started stacking true

it was an excuse to use your shit founds

[soft spear]

yes Ive tried that. Ive done full clean reinstall. updated drivers everything i can think of.

[cursive shuttle]

You're playing bard wrong then. Bard's are one of the scariest classes in the game with full buffs. They are tanky, hit hard, have the ability to block, move fast, and high have AS and damage.

With the ability to weaken/debuff enemies and str/buff your allies.

[elfin fern]

in 299- solos? my experience has been very different

[cursive shuttle]

Your original point was that pushing was hard. You keep moving from one to another lol.

There are always counters in this game, sure. As like you said, every class has it's counter classes and classes it counters.

But regardless of that, you say getting away and ratting is easy.

When it's far harder than you would expect and still doesn;t fix the issue of full dive team clearing entire lobbies on purpose just because.

[elfin fern]

i think you're confusing me with someone else

[cursive shuttle]

I did, I apologize. Let me look at your stuff again. Talking to a lot of people XD

[fervent prawn]

It would be easy if your team comp is easily exploitable without something like hydra. Again, you keep assuming that the opposing team has a good comp and your own team is sorely lacking without any tools to fend them off.

[cursive shuttle]

I would put in a support ticket at this point. As it sounds like you have a hardware issue possibly.

Or it's just something to do with the launcher.

[cursive shuttle]

I can't keep responding to these comments if you're just gonna change the point of the conversation every time I have a rebuttal for something else you say.

Again, I am not disagreeing with this part of what you are saying. I am disagreeing with GBMM being bad for the game.

As now, you have FAR more chances of being able to win in a 299 lobby than you would ina lobby where people in gold gear can chase you across the map with nothing you can do as a green kit.

[soft spear]

I have, but im also trying to troubleshoot issue myself while I wait for a reply hoping to find someone else who has the same issue and was able to resolve it.

[fervent prawn]

I didn’t try to change the point of the conversation. I was pointing out that the examples you use for YOUR arguments are pointless to argue against because they always assume that your own team is utterly helpless at all times to fend off any opposition

[cursive shuttle]

You could use a bow or crossbow. Keep up with shriek of weakness when they get close.

Kite to better map modules that allow for less kiting. Hit them through doors with your abilities.

Plus with your own MS buffs and whatnot, you should just about always be max MS as a bard.

[fervent prawn]

They have a barb that’s running MS for some reason? Let’s assume you also have a good team comp with a properly built barb and a bard. All of a sudden they aren’t eager to push fully knowing your barb can eat their backline if their ms stacking barb dies.

[cursive shuttle]

You have switched from the basic GBMM being good vs bad, to somehow getting us to team comps and pushing vs defending, when I have already explain all of this or agreed with you on these points.

AGAIN! You are not helpless in lobby that has you matched with similar GS. Where you ARE helpless against people who are in full purps+ while you are in greens.

Which, would in fact, make you not capable of running away fast enough or give you the capability of defending yourself without either them being truly bad, or you being a god.

[cursive shuttle]

Yep. Barbarian and bard is INSANE. Barb needs to stack less ms items and more dmg, and just lets the bard do it for them lol.

[fervent prawn]

Ok, let’s say you do encounter a purple team. There’s shift-walking, telling your team to stay silent assuming you actually have communication, and different modules to move to. This is also assuming that you know what the enemy has right? Then you’d truly be remiss to not remember what they had in the pregame lobby.

And not to mention, ratting in the storm assuming someone takes heals which means now the option of camping a static is open instead of engaging the full purp team

[elfin fern]

here's the thing, their ranged is always better than mine, and they know better than to be in shriek range. running, as someone said, is pretty hard when they match ms and open doors faster than you do

[cursive shuttle]

Creep is no longer a thing. So ALL movement is now heard. What if you get caught outside of circle? Low meds?

What if you want to move in? Gotta do quests to get to hell or certain rooms? Do you ALWAYS forgo those because of constant purple teams?

Always camp a static outside of circle with 50g in loot?

Riveting gameplay you speak of lol.

[cursive shuttle]

Run buffs to increase your action speed and attack and you will always hit pretty hard. Or the protection buff to reduce damage.

Unfortunately right now, the ranged meta is back and you're going to run into that a lot.

So your best bet is to run a comp that has a frontline with the ability to soak up that damage, or graba pocket rogue to clear back line for you to push.

[elfin fern]

i'm a solo player

[cursive shuttle]

Where as with GBMM, this is just not as much of an issue.

[cursive shuttle]

At this point, it does sound like a skill issue sadly. Sorry man.

As a barb, I can chase down fast enemies by getting the correct module set up, sneaking around, etc.

[elfin fern]

like yeah it's a skill gap, but i feel like i'd need to be insane to even start to compete with the average rangers/rogues anyway

[cursive shuttle]

Rangers are BS right now. Best thing is to let them push you, take off some clothes, match their ranged, etc.

They are super strong with all the true dmg right now.

For rogues, carry a larger weapon like a zwei or a bardiche. Keep them from coming in close.

As a bard, you could use a arming sword, falchion, buckler for blocks, etc. Always keep up shriek for invis.

[elfin fern]

i'm a bard, not a barb, and while i know how to use my abilities i find they rarely help against such fast opponents

[cursive shuttle]

The meta is what it is sadly.

Bards usually have less issues from what I see due to their massive buffs.

They are a HARD class to get good at. I can't play them for crap lol.

[cursive shuttle]

I would wath some videos on them to get bettter.

[elfin fern]

i think that's my thing, like, people say bard is cracked but i feel like that's 90% theory and 10% practice, and that 10% are the leaderboarder bards

[cursive shuttle]

Watch N4mi. He is a GREAT bard.

Bard is cracked. But it's also got the highest skill cap along with wizard and rogue imo.

[mental halo]

Bard is absolutely beast mode if you can play it

[elfin fern]

i'm a good bard RAT, but pvp (at least in hr) seems like something i can't get down, maybe because i dont want to risk pouring money into true and vig and still die

[scenic hornet]

how does the dungeon recovery feature work.. I feel like I almost never get anything back even when theres no way in hell someone looted me

[cursive shuttle]

What is the dungeon recovery?

[loud mesa]

it might only be a few items back

[chilly sentinel]

yeah its not every item

and its not always teh same number im not sure theres any info on if its complete rng

[empty zealot]

Morningstar or mace? For clerics

[hasty lynx]

i sure do love loading into duos and 2v6ing against "jiangjiang" "xinxin" "maoamao" "[][][][][][]ty19" "XiaoTien" and "Lailai", one of which is a rogue who changes everything he pickes up into a Unique Ring.

the anticheat and anti-lobby methods are definitely working.

[swift ether]

whats on the test server?

[scenic hornet]

Or none at all 2nd time today this happens (once when I tested it in the corner of the map dying by the zone with shit greens and the other when I died in a 7 man battle in GC solo 1 man alive at the end clearly didnt loot my ok-ish gear in a sea of bodies xD

[inland wigeon]

Is there a down period, after the season-timer ends?

Or is it straight to the next season?.

[wind venture]

So just to be sure, is the 7th the wipe or end of season and the wipe is 1-2 weeks after?

[gilded prairie]

End of season is in ** 5 hours ** and ** wipe is on the 7th **

[radiant fog]

so hows the game going rn?

[wind venture]

Ahhh okay,

[gilded prairie]

Little rough in a lot of areas; but I have hope for the next update

[radiant fog]

does ice cave finally have a boss? or no not yet

[gilded prairie]

Ice cave boss is anticipated for next update; though not confirmed

[glad copper]

quick question. Do the final quests end after the season or when wipe happens?

[gilded prairie]

As far as I'm aware; quests should be available until wipe

[glad copper]

ty ty.

[solemn dagger]

I gave up on ice skeleton skin.... just didn't have the time or patience this season. Can't wait to hit it hard post-wipe again though. Fingers crossed for functional Druid

[rocky plover]

where is best to grind ale?

[rustic frigate]

for some reason even tho goblin and kobold ears are common items i've found they drop more often in high roller

[rocky plover]

goblin ears are uncommon*

[rustic frigate]

you're right, it happens with kobold ears that are common tho

[rocky plover]

and yet ale is harder to loot..

[rustic frigate]

yup, gave up on ale grind

[robust sigil]

game stuttering for anyone else? gob caves

[subtle heart]

remove true damage

[rocky plover]

and remove every possible counter to physical damage reduction? yes please! (in reality, armor pen is usually not that good)

[frosty sedge]

Yall should wipe so my progress matters again frfr on jah

[subtle heart]

rework armord pen and magic pen no one even cares about theses 2 stats cause true is king

[elfin fern]

so make armor pen good and remove true damage so rogues and rangers cant just boop you on the hands and win?

[errant sequoia]

Test server changes?

[vapid arch]

True makes for an unfun experience where people stack it on daggers and survival bow and throws throwables
Instead there should be more of a focus on armor pen and adding more utility to weapons

Ie make stiletto a dagger specific for countering plate or give two handers armor pen

[subtle heart]

literaly just remove it from the game this stat is ridiculous

[vapid arch]

This game has a severe lack of interactability and utility

Which only accentuates the extremely low ttk

[idle vine]

Where do I use the golden key?

[rocky plover]

probably the golden door :^)

[elfin fern]

where it does interact, it's scuffed. why do i have to twist myself to look BEHIND ME to block a zweihander user in front of me?

[vapid arch]

That one does make sense because hitboxes are actually extremely tight in this game and the edge will hit your arm or head before it connects with the shield

It's a bit annoying because the melee in this game is so free flowing and unrestrictive

[rocky plover]

if i play solo but on a duos/trios map, am i still getting solo ap or am i getting the ap relevant to the afformentioned map type?

[elfin fern]

it makes blocking both artificial and much harder than just tilting your swing a bit or ducking, and faster than the blocker can possibly react despite the weapon being so slow

[vapid arch]

But if you could just block everything by holding your shield out in front of you like other melee games then it'd be too brainless

[elfin fern]

i hear you, but the people winning these fights are literally w key and don't aim at all

[vapid arch]

There's no perfect system but maybe they could do with making the block hitbox a bit bigger

[vapid arch]

If you look at someone like skinny Pete he's dragging and acceling with zwei vs shields to avoid hitting the shield

But nor everyone's doing that

[chilly sentinel]

Whichever you q for

[rocky plover]

sick

[blazing latch]

Ironmace, do you even play your own game when wizard just 1 shots everything? Briandead devs

[elfin fern]

yeah, im not saying all barbs are no skill meatheads, the smart ones are even more busted. the problem is that the effort and game knowledge needed to win the fight is much, much higher for one class than it is for the other unless you want to play kite and kiter

[rocky plover]

why are people trading royal treasure?

[abstract ingot]

Remove true damage, put way more pen on certain weapons such as the mace. 50%ap is a stat worth taking the mace for, other wise the mace and war maul never see play outside of cleric

[warm tendon]

Hello, what filters do I have to set to find a Zirkzis Eye in the marketplace? I cannot find a single one.

[blazing latch]

Your suggestions fall on deaf ears. best of luck

[woven jackal]

IF YOUR HAVING PROBLEMS WITH KOBOLD EARS BUY A SMALL GREEN LUCK ON AND U GET IT OFF LIKE EVERY KOBOLD

[soft spear]

If you remove true you need to remove armor rating bonus on gear as well

[sharp berry]

armor pen is in the game

[jaunty topaz]

Armor pen should be buffed

[cursive shuttle]

Hey all! LF experienced players to jump into HR with.

At work right now, so shoot me a dm if you're interested in a long term chill friend!

I play mostly fighter and rogue. But I am experienced with all aspects of the game and am working to constantly improve! Dm if you are interested!

[buoyant mantle]

Remove the map rotation and just let people play what they want.

[wheat flax]

What do you guys think are the strongest duo pairs right now?

300+ lobbies

[rocky plover]

does noone know why ppl are constantly selling legendary treasures on the marketplace when they could just sell them to the collector?

[abstract ingot]

You like true damage?

[cursive shuttle]

Warlock + Bard

Wizard + Barb

Fighter + Ranger

Cleric + Melee Class/Warlock

[silent mauve]

I want to get to voyager but every time I interact with anything my game crashes it’s unplayable I’ve sent emails about this for about a month and they have not done anything about it Ik I shouldn’t complain here but I’m gonna do it anyway becuse I can’t play this game properly

[cursive shuttle]

Interact with anything? What do you mean?

[silent mauve]

Like anything in the menu that’s not in game, there’s no crashing in game but every other click in menu and my grand or computer crashes

[cursive shuttle]

Reinstalled game?

Repaired it? What windows are you using?

[silent mauve]

Deleted and reinstalled many times, windows 11

[cursive shuttle]

What is your graphics card?

[dark turtle]

Anyone know how what to do when you can't create new characters and you get a blank error

[silent mauve]

Rtx 3050 ti

[cursive shuttle]

Definitely good enough to handle the game without any issues.

I would check your graphics card and make sure there are no issues with thecard and games running on it.

[silent mauve]

I mean I play many games that are use the graphics card much more than dnd and they all run fine and before a few months ago I was never having any issues

[wanton otter]

which class is going to be after Druid u think.?

[ebon jolt]

@remote dirge ur boy go banned bro

[remote dirge]

ik his name in game was bad lmao it was something crazy

[vocal nimbus]

Sorcerer

[rare venture]

I'm getting a blank box trying to create a character on test, is it bugged?

NM seems like there is an issue nobody can create new characters on test

[scenic hornet]

Whats ur cpu

[silent mauve]

I closed my computer so I can’t check rn but I feel like the problem may be in the ram since I only have 8gb, but what I don’t understand is why it only crashes when I’m not in a game and is perfect in game

[next spear]

I hope Paladin

[paper mulch]

Wizard + Bard IMO is best and it's not ran that often. Bard can play PDR / front line for Wiz, and can replace any need for meditate / campfires. Allegro / Rousing / Storyteller perk give Wizard needed stats / buffs that push them over the top, and likewise Wiz can Ignite / Haste the Bard to make them a killing machine.

[paper mulch]

They already announced Sorcerer is the next planned class I believe.

[cursive shuttle]

This is a solid point. Both pretty hard to play classes. Probably why we do not see it often.

[paper mulch]

yeah, one of my trio partners plays wizard secondary and our bard/wizard HR games are 🔥

[scenic hornet]

8gb ram clearly aint a lot but yeah thats weird if u only crash in the menu

[ocean eagle]

does it wipe in an hour

[frosty sedge]

I wish dont we hav another week

[ocean eagle]

oh it says 56 min

[mossy wing]

#the-tavern message A message for you sir 🙂

[wheat flax]

No. Leaderboard ends. It wipes in June 7

[ocean eagle]

so you cant try for rewards after today

[wheat flax]

Yeah that's right

[eternal wedge]

ok so leaderboards end in an hour, wipe is in a week: will i still be able to get to higher ranking or is the ap system just dead in an hour?

[chrome sorrel]

what about quests?

[vestal falcon]

Ap dead

[chrome sorrel]

like should I finish the frost skele quest rn

[vestal falcon]

Nope u got till the 7rh

[frosty sedge]

I love this game but there's like no point in playing when its bouta wipe

[vestal falcon]

I disagree learn the maps learn bosses waste kits

[frosty sedge]

I learnt the maps but not the bosses, maybe ill throw some kits at them

[wheat flax]

End of wipe is the biggest juice kit vs kit. I use all my best stuff and battle

[gilded prairie]

After 2 years of no lifeing dark and darker; I think I'm firm about my conclusion that zone kinda sucks.

[gritty flume]

Game is just ridiculously laggy again. Love this game but it actually hasn't been genuinely playable at any point in its development. Wild

[wanton otter]

???

[mossy wing]

The question you asked sir

[wanton otter]

I dont see anything

[scenic hornet]

Its sorcerer

[wanton otter]

Hope they're hot. .w.

[paper mulch]

No rewards just quests I believe.

[paper mulch]

String agree, some other way to push players around the dungeon would be idea. Ice Caves are great. You can usually rat, or go loot pile / rafts if you want to PvP.

[gilded prairie]

It's just exhausting chasing zone sometimes; especially in HR where it results in 4 teams running into eachother at once.

[frosty sedge]

Play faster, and the point is pvp

[narrow wadi]

I really hope the season gets extended abit longer just so I can get to demigod for the cosmetics. I feel like the season got shorter then last time 😅

[lunar summit]

19 more minutes get on it

you got this

[gilded prairie]

I'm not saying I can't clear in time; just that it's exhausting. PvP is a huge point of the game but consistently fighting multiple teams at once is again, just exhausting.

[untold plume]

I wish

[earnest current]

should update the mode to sell all treasure to collector instead of clicking each one individually when completed

should update quest if request item with too large quantity like ale or goblin ears but drop rate is extremely miserable, there are some quest items even though ironmace said to increase drop rate, finding is still a mystery

[rocky plover]

anyone knows when the servers will come back up?

[frigid hound]

What does the "end" of the leaderboard involve ?

Can u still try to get the rewards ?

[blazing latch]

Got the rest of my points IN GAME while the leaderboard ended and they didn't count toward my rank. can we get a fix on that Ironmace or can you scam the playerbase again?

[elfin stag]

wUt GuYs I dOnT hAvE mY sEaSoN rEwArDs YeT, gAmE sUx

[blazing latch]

Hey pathfinder, I can tell your IQ is low by how you comprehended my post.

[abstract ingot]

were you therr roguye in the ice map?

[elfin stag]

I didnt even read your post

[blazing latch]

@abstract ingot in duo's yeah

[abstract ingot]

Lmao we were in the same game i was the ranger, i feel scammed

[earnest current]

should update the mode to sell all treasure to collector instead of clicking each one individually when completed

[mild sapphire]

should of wiped when season ended or held off season end til wipe there is no point to log in now

[blazing latch]

Say it louder for the devs

[graceful storm]

shouldve wouldve couldve

[earnest dragon]

This is the end, beautiful friend
This is the end, my only friend
The end of our elaborate plans
The end of everything that stands

[severe rock]

can duos both use blue stairs exit in goblin caves?

if enter at same time?

[honest laurel]

where do people get ale

Ale quest is too RNG

[cosmic swan]

Nop only one will go out

[cosmic swan]

Try focusing small / medium bronze chest and Large wooden chest on frost cave. I got at least 1-2 by game doing that

[cosmic swan]

Also they only drop on chest, or bookshelf/wall shelf and other thing like that (but mostly on chest, you have around 10% drop chance in the chest I told you, don't forget lockpick or doing the quest with a rogue)

[terse stratus]

when is wipe again?

[gilded prairie]

June 7th

[earnest current]

wait WTF extend 5 more day ??????

[cerulean mason]

did the season end

[wet kindle]

yessir

[cerulean mason]

aw i didnt get the chance to go to blue rank

[left zealot]

again 😦 last time I had died stupidly and just lost my ranking.. this time it just didn't last long enough 😦

[honest laurel]

thanks i appreciate the info

[rustic laurel]

Im glad barb is a boring class

[upbeat notch]

explain

[rustic laurel]

easiest class in the game, pretty much can only play the game in one way and win

[upbeat notch]

I'm glad you find it easy, but different people find different classes easier than others. As far as playing the game in a single way and win, there's at least a few possible different barb builds available although I'm not sure which one is meta.

[obsidian kiln]

What's new on the test server? And why don't we get test server patch notes?

[wet kindle]

#1214939921488543774 user submitted changes

[scenic hornet]

remove warlock please IM

[trim fern]

remove ranger

[scenic hornet]

ranger & warlock tbh

[rigid tree]

IRONMACE PLEASE MAKE THE NEW SHIELD AND ALL PARRY MECHANICS JUST HAVE A SET PARRY TIME AFTER IMPACT SO THAT YOU CAN BALANCE BOTH IMPACT RESISTANCE AND PARRY RIPOSTE DURATION.

[near elbow]

does it show anyone else 0/0 rank for high roller? just logged in and i was pathfinder but now its showing me as 0 in everything

[woeful plume]

Isn't the current season over and the new one not started yet? Maybe that's what it is?

[near elbow]

im looking EA season #Test only my fighter has this issue my barb still shows correct ranks for the s eason

[paper mulch]

how long can you get your gear from gear insurance?

[near elbow]

when i go to the actual leaderboard i can see my fighter is 8778 AP so i guess im good, the stats menu is just broken, season was also extended

[woeful plume]

Mine show unranked. But I think it's because the season is over. My timer shows a count down to wipe.

[wanton otter]

Cutie Dark Elves when.?

[dry nebula]

remove fighter and barbarian

[void geode]

when is wipe?

[rigid olive]

Game bad. When whipe

[tacit mauve]

i believe June 7

[timid temple]

i was able to go from neo to path in 2 days on my fighter. there was plenty of time lol

[gilded ingot]

I hope they put move speed on a curve the way armor is on a curve. I really do feel it's the only way. Move speed is just to ridonk. Looking forward to wipe harder than a man without a bidet.

[left zealot]

Not when you think you have more time no, first time I didn't have time so it was my bad. This time we were told we had a week more. So I wasn't taking care while trying to finish quests.. so no it's not having enough time to get back to blue

[weary pilot]

yo when do we get season rewards?

[left zealot]

Last time it was some time after the wipe

[weary pilot]

gotcha yeah someone responded in gen chat its june 7th with wipe thank you

[zenith fiber]

i lost my rank please tell me the season ended

are our rewards locked in can I pvp now?

[chrome gorge]

yes there locked in you can pvp

[remote hinge]

Brackets changed from 1-199, 200-399, 400+ to 1-299 and 300+, is this right?

[gilded prairie]

Correct

[fresh bay]

remove map rotation, dead lobby meta is really bad rn

[woeful plume]

Not really. It's pretty random you are put in the correct group for your score.

[gilded prairie]

GBMM is turned off in certain low pop regions; and can be affected by server pop to reduce the amount of dead lobbies.

Regardless; the brackets are still 0-299 and 300+

[shell sleet]

is today wipe day? cause i still have all my stuff but cant see any reset on the leaderboard

[lost lagoon]

wipe the 7

[fiery kindle]

wipe is june 7th, leaderboard closed last night. you can see the rank you achieved in the bottom left on the leaderboard tab.

[scenic hornet]

Wtf why remove map rotation

[tidal kelp]

why tf is new shield fighter only? Classes need more interesting weapon mechanics and they keep parries locked to fighter. (and lock i guess)

[candid reef]

why tf are the druid spells locked to druid only? Classes need more interesting weapon mechanics and they keep spells locked to casters.

[tidal kelp]

it's a freaking shield, a small one at that. Even a rogue should be able to use it.(and a buckler) Also spells are a class ability, not a weapon. The equivalent would be spell memory and sprint, not spell memory and a weapon. No, multiclass sucked.

[candid reef]

No other classes need a shield besides Barbarian or Fighter or Cleric

[tidal kelp]

bard and warlock, which is why they got some

There needs to be more fleshed out combat mechanics, otherwise it boils down to speed/kiting and stat-checking instead of actual combat skill.

[glacial valley]

im so tierd that they really decided to let the season end

with 3 days down out of a week

so bs managed to get to examplar 1 3000/4000 before getting sniped by aimbot wizard

[sturdy dagger]

Anyone knows which classes can use the new shield?

[formal slate]

fighter only

[mossy moat]

Is the season over?

[royal lotus]

Yes. Wipe is on June 7th

[versed spoke]

wait there new shield?

[versed spoke]

bad take its end of wipe ofcourse its dead

[cosmic swan]

Yep a lanter shield, it can do light and have a riposte when you parry

[versed spoke]

SICK

[versed spoke]

anything else thats new?

[cosmic swan]

A LOT of new thing #1246151984030023710 message

[versed spoke]

holy macaroni thanks

[willow shard]

With the new lantern shield parry mechanic, it'd be nice to see the pavise get a sort of ram feature. Similar to the shield ice giants knockback.

[hard swift]

I give up! As much as i enojoy this game, I can't take the damn Constant Disconnects, where I'm moving (client-side) but the mob is attacking where I WAS, killing me...

Fix your Freaking Code... DOn't add more things to the game until you can MAKE WHAT YOU HAVE WORK!

[proper hollow]

Ranks are locked because the season has ended

[quiet dagger]

They seriously need to do something about Ranged classes man

[mental halo]

So I can play solo@Hr and not risk losing rank now?

[quiet dagger]

Fighter is so miserable, and it's been miserable for so long, now they only real viable build is PDR fighter

[snow charm]

Slayer?

[royal fulcrum]

since there was 2 day maintenance due to bugs , could we get at least 1 day more to get demigod ? @zinc sparrow

[warm tendon]

Does anyone have any tip for killing a wendigo? I've been trying it for a couple runs now but the thing just 2 taps me. Playing as warlock with a longsword.

[vestal falcon]

you got 400 off the cost of AP to enter thats more then 2 days

[gritty vale]

Want I want them to do is massively reduce base damage in return for damage bonuses. For example a height damage bonus, arrow types, elemental arrows, and environmental hazards like stalactites, chandeliers or lanterns they can shoot to make fall for damage. Right now it's just so plain and basic, damage in all forms is given too free with no real skill.

[willow trench]

hi everyone
you know about HUNT? like, in that game, I can wait till I get a full lobby instead of being forced to get into a match with no one else
Can I do this in this game?

the tavern is cool and all but I'd rather wait for a full lobby instead of playing with two other people

[warm tendon]

You cannot control it, if you want full lobbies go in with little gear and you should see some more people.

[gritty vale]

Even then, not too many. Many people are like me and just used their gear as fast as possible so that they don't have to play boring af games until wipe lol

[undone belfry]

so why did they remove the auto select of next utility? idiots

[warm tendon]

Yes I get that, I'm playing with the best gear I have myself. But noticed that whenever I died and put on some random gear from my stash that the lobbies were quite a bit more full.

[gritty vale]

I lost my last 3 sets to 3 mans in solos, a truly fitting end to this season for me lol. I found that most fights just turned into ranged chase and shoots, and most fights ended too quickly or were to gimmicky to really get me excited. Atleast I'm not on West or OCE servers or I'd lose all my gear to cheaters I guess.

[willow trench]

honestly, I was having a lot more fun when goblin was the only solo map and it was smaller

I was getting full lobies on normal very often (not much into HR yet)

[gritty vale]

Back when there was 1 person next to your square no matter what? That was fun, but the third-party was insane.

[warm tendon]

That sucks, happens from time to time. Yes praise the dungeons for not playing in the cheater regions. All though I had a cheater in my game on EU a few days ago.

[gritty vale]

Last one was especially brutal, just finished off a barb and was at a 1/3 my hp when 3 rupture rogues looked at me and then each other and blasted me & chased me for 2 minutes with rupture. If they can't stop teaming entirely from solos why have it to begin with lol

[warm tendon]

For me, in my games, teaming is not an issue. But if people do team that's annoying. Also, never be nice to a rogue, just kill them.

[gritty vale]

Wasn't being nice, they just had an unspoken agreement or pre-teamed. Teaming happens around 20% of my games I'd say? Which isn't that bad until you realize every 5th game your essentially playing duos as a solo, especially bad when it's a good comp like cleric pdr fighter or ranger wizard.

[warm tendon]

Wow that is nuts, for me I'd say 1 in 50 games i get teamed on?

[willow trench]

didn't really mind that
I really wanted to get into the pvp in this game
like, playing pve, raising your rank, getting better gear just to get absolutely stomped by someon who actually knows how to fight is really bad

[gritty vale]

To some extent, it might be because I'm consistently playing against the same people. I see the same 5-6 people sometimes as many as 10 matches in a row, so if I stomp them too hard they might come together. @willow trench At that point I wanted more pvp too, now I'm just tired of the game in it's entirety. Gear diff can be way too extreme at times- A barb doing 210 damage with a felling axe vs a pdr fighter with a green falchion is never gonna turn out well.

[warm tendon]

Idk, I still haven't figured out how to PvP. The ranged damage, move speed and hidding gets me killed every time.

Right now I'm trying to learn how to kill the Wendigo and the Club Swining Dude. They are way too hard to kill, just like the nightmare bosses.

[gritty vale]

What class are you?

[warm tendon]

Mostly Warlock, but I play cleric, wizard and bard too.

[gritty vale]

For warlock, consider getting a bardiche or dagger for wendigo and baiting out his two claw swings then try and hit his blue heart. For the club-giant crouching and moving right around him dodges most of his strikes, with your healing you will be able to survive. Both are best if you can cheese them on objects. For ranged damage, you would want to build a magic healing build with phantomize and heal off your hydra, mobs and the other player to survive the damage, for hiding try casting hydras in every doorway before you go through or if you have doubts.

[warm tendon]

I'm not using Magical Healing other than potions on warlock. Also I do not cheese, all cheese will be removed at some point. Want to learn how to fight them as intended and I think they are way too hard. Baiting the swings on the wendigo is pretty impossible, as he has quite a bit of reach. Crouching and looking up/down will always get me hit on the second swing, single headshot hit will leave me at 30hp. Then trying to heal with the Wendigo chasing you is also nearly impossible due to his sprint attack, you need to go around small corners etc. Tried flame walking it but took waaaaaaaay too long.

One method that works reasonable well is placing a Hydra and then Hellfire over the hydra. Which is basically cheesing. Also the hydra got nerfed while being weak to begin with so I'm not longer using that strategy.

Using a shield to block attacks is also pointless as you are staggered and cannot return a swing before the mob fires another attack.

[vestal falcon]

what world u live in all cheese will never be removed

[warm tendon]

Maybe maybe not, anyway it's not enjoying for me to just climb on a box and deal with demi-bosses in that way. Not that dying to them over and over is any more fun.

[vestal falcon]

lol thats fair

[long compass]

sorry but thats just a skil issue

[warm tendon]

Really?

[long compass]

dodging the attacks aint even hard

[warm tendon]

Well i've never pulled it off, same goes for demon berserker. If you get hit once youre dead and you need to dodge their attacks like 15 times or so. I'm fine with it being a skill issue but when I see other players fight them, they all climb on top of something. Like never ever have I seen someone fight the demi bosses head on in my games.

[long compass]

https://youtu.be/yuedwwvmXh4?si=X0XH0-BbgzXnTLNU&t=309 pretty sure you do not need to look up

[warm tendon]

Yeah I watch his videos too, I just get hit on the second swing of the Wendigo.

I'll do some more runs and see if I can get it down.

[willow trench]

ever played mordhau or chivalry?

[rustic dawn]

What does Token of honor purple item do?

[trim fern]

games melee is trash

[willow trench]

definitely, but it's not the whole game

[warm tendon]

It's used in select crafts, which are locked behind quests. It might sell for a bit on the marketplace.

[warm tendon]

No I have not, this pretty the first time I play a game with this kind of combat.

[unreal obsidian]

So no AP anymore?

[wintry dove]

In play test i cant create a new character.. anyone know why ?

[shy gull]

why does my season rank show as unranked when i hit voyager?

[shy gull]

the season is over. the new season should start after the wipe

[chilly sentinel]

i think cause the season ended and it might be saying the new rank

[mossy wing]

Your rank is locked in, don't worry, you can claim your rewards next season 🙂

[normal goblet]

yo anyone have huge fps drops on every map and it gets worse with bow out and spellbook any fixes?

[warm tendon]

Have been having issues for a while now. No idea what is causing it, happens on every map.

[normal goblet]

ye its really bad its about 15 fps when it drops and its so bad cant hit any shots on ranger,my cleric cant hit any heals or buffs want to take our good kits in before the wipe but cant play like this..

[cosmic swan]

They're working on a new matchmaking system for the next season who, I think, will solve the empty lobby issues

[cosmic swan]

#q-and-a message

[gritty vale]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/558126/reduced-base-damage-in-return-for-damage-bonuses

[scenic hornet]

Dodging wendigo swings is probably the easiest thing to dodge for mini boss tbh and Im trash at dodging mini boss his charge tho im too dumb

[warm tendon]

Really? I find it super hard, do you just bait his attack and then walk away from him?

[tardy sandal]

Centaur is the easiest to dodge for me

[scenic hornet]

Crouch while hugging him then move to the side his attack start so left then right

[warm tendon]

Yes I do that but he still hits me in the face with the second swing.

[analog lintel]

is any1 experiencing lags last days ?

[warm tendon]

I am, for the past week or so. On every map, with any character.

[analog lintel]

y idk since last patches i experience lag i never experienced before

[serene mesa]

what's the best way to find ale

[dusky spruce]

Think some spawns in the library area of the crypt. If you happen to be in that area, scour it.

[willow trench]

hopefully it does

[native gust]

when is wipe?

[cosmic swan]

June 7th

[blazing latch]

the quest reward is trash, skip that one

[cosmic swan]

Small/medium bronze chest and Large wooden chest on Frost cavern

[undone belfry]

cave troll is a POS honestly, might as well be a rogue/wizard/ranger.... cuz they are all cancer

[cursive crane]

create one dungeon only PVP PLEASE ARENA OR DUNGEON WHIT ONE PVM MOB

[brisk mason]

It is one of my fav rewards. Resting emotes are sick i still gotta grind more ale though

[native gust]

can lose ap?

[fossil jackal]

ale resting animation is awesome

[paper mulch]

Do any classes other than druid have an aoe disable? (Not a slow like Earthquake)

[bronze leaf]

bard

[paper mulch]

also only slows, no hard disables on bard

[bronze leaf]

... both stop casting and stop fighting

this discord legit doesnt even know the game. jfc

[paper mulch]

wiz / cleric can snare 1 target, but I don't think any class has a multi-target disable that stops people in their tracks

[gritty flume]

Can't move potions in inventory because game thinks i'm holding shift? At this point I'm praying to a god I don't believe in that this game becomes playable at some point man. It's something new literally every day

[karmic valve]

what are the most populated lobbies?

[warped root]

Are levels being wiped as well?

[mossy wing]

Yes sir, but you will keep your characters, blue/red shards 🙂

[warped root]

W

[undone belfry]

to the POS cheating Ranger that just ran in Ice caves. keep running your mouth, ill serve you your ban

[wet kindle]

sir please calm down

[torpid oxide]

is the alleged wipe on the 7th confirmed or is it like last time where the community has just been assuming? ive seen a couple people say wipe on the 7th on reddit just wanna know if thats confirmed by iron mace

where

[undone belfry]

lol nah this was blatant ESP possible aimlock. hope youre not that bad

[torpid oxide]

ty

[cold spire]

he was also flying i saw him too

[cosmic swan]

#the-tavern message

[craggy relic]

does resourcefulness dexterity or magical interaction speed affect how fast bard plays instruments?

[vapid arch]

resourcefulness and i think dexterity

[cosmic swan]

Dex and knowledge make you play faster. Ressourcefulness make the buff stay longer on you and your teammate. Will give you buff duration that make buff stay even longer but on you only

[craggy relic]

what about buff and debuff duration bonus does that affect how long the songs last for

[mortal frigate]

hey, the ruins is coming back this wipe?

[cosmic swan]

Yes. That's how Will increase the duration of song, by increasing your buff duration

[cosmic swan]

Probably not, except if it's a suprise. Dev said several time that it wasn't a priority right now but that it will come back

[lilac willow]

bro they need to fix their fucking game i jsutkilled a super bis ranger and his body just fucking dissapered the second i killed him

[torpid oxide]

ill never visit that channel they said it in announcements

[cosmic swan]

It's a message from the main dev saying it's June 7th

But if you want #📢announcements message

Here but you'll have to read the part after the "Change" section

[torpid oxide]

bro what are you even on about i already went and checked

[cosmic swan]

My bad I though you were asking again because you didn't find it in announcement

[fleet pelican]

torches and lanterns sometimes stick to ceilings on the test server now lmao

[scenic hornet]

god ranger traps are annoying

[plush stratus]

Wtb kuma fang who got it

[lyric lark]

Did hell fire ever heal?

[solar sage]

Nope

[undone belfry]

imagine playing rogue. smallest reproductive organ class

[eternal wedge]

which npc makes the robe of darkness? and what are the materials?

[cosmic swan]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Crafting It's the Tailor and you need some spider siln and dark enchantes fabric

[gilded prairie]

Way back in the day it did

[lyric lark]

yea thats what i thought i played warlock when it came out but i could never remember

[wanton otter]

Any reason to play rn.? Are they going to post time limited rewards with only a week to get them again.?

[vapid arch]

there's 3 quests active that probably wont come back

1 skin for +1 weapon damage -3 move speed, an emote, and some ale resting thing i think

other than that its just using all your gear before it gets wiped

[wanton otter]

Thanks Floppa you've always been a real one.

Emotes are forever. I'm gonna try.

[rustic dawn]

Yo my bags are full, does anyone want gold?

How is it this hard to give away gold

[cobalt cairn]

its tough out here man

suffering from success type shit

[gritty flume]

Obligatory daily complaint about warlord being 3x the difficulty of the other bosses for literally no reason

[vapid arch]

i'll take some free gold

[vapid arch]

and once you learn warlord you'll complain that pve is boring and not engaging

[gritty flume]

Eh they increased nightmare spawns. Step in the right direction. Warlord as it is cannot be consistently done solo, maybe duo unless you're both REALLY competent. Needs to be player team size based scaling health and maybe damage, then maybe warlord can be left alone mechanics wise and the other bosses can be brought up to his level.

[solar sage]

Warlorld should at least like give unique drops

Like "Warlords sword" or "royal dagger" or something thats themed around the boss

[subtle goblet]

They are coming

[solar sage]

Mhmmm,they said that for druid before delaying it for 5 months

Honestly I have verry little fait for the game atm

I really hope they're smart enought to make the game free on steam to try resparking it to life

[solar sage]

PVE is only engaging if you play with the longsword

[vapid arch]

inferno bosses are suppose to be a trios thing, goblin caves was made to accommodate solos with troll and cyclops

[solar sage]

Like parrying stuff just feels so nice,but doing pve with any other weapon is just aids

[vapid arch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_7gyXZ0C4A

[gritty flume]

Sure, but adjusting a handful of numbers makes the entire objective of crypts open up for non trios. Maps need an objective, that's why ice caves is boring

[warm locust]

does anybody know when the wipe is

[vapid arch]

7th

[vapid arch]

then what's the consequences of making bosses accessible to everyone?

are people just going to rat for 10 minutes in crypts then all sit outside boss room and wait for someone to do it?

[gritty flume]

People already rat if they want to, it would behave and feel the same as ratting outside troll or cyclops lol. Longer time sink to do it though, and going through inferno, so I feel like that wouldn't really be a problem

And talking specifics, ghost king doesn't need changes even for solos. Lich might need maybe a small reduction in hp (and circle adjustments, maybe make skeles count)? Only warlord is a problem. Just comes back to him being weirdly more difficult. I'm down for one boss being harder if the drops are better/ different. But as it is you just ignore him because of risk/reward statistics

[valid vapor]

I could use it now that all the cheap items are gone

[mild hull]

is anyone noticing a huge amount of wallhackers ?

[vapid arch]

yeah walls has become a lot more apparently in this end of wipe

[rustic dawn]

Respond to your DMs

[distant bay]

free? wut no

[solar sage]

Do you really think the game (which is currently extremely mid)
Will make it on steam,an actual platform,for 40 bucks?

When you can get free games like Apex that have approximatevely 4 times the content?

I actually want the game to make it,and the only way it will is if it switches to f2p

[distant bay]

Yes I do! Have you seen the games on steam. Apex also has access to huge amounts of money, that's what dark and darker needs. The game is going to be in the summergamefest in 6 days, this will drum up support(for the epic release)

steam and epic are also in on this gamefest

and nearly every videogame company that you can think of

[solar sage]

The thing is,people..Don't care.

Like,the average gamer dosent care that your favorite game's studio is small,if they'res a better game for free,theyll play it .

The PR and devteam of this game has fumbled such a giant bag that its actually impressive.

Atp we're all just hoping for a last stand kinda deal where the game stands back up,but the thing is,it won't

Which is quite sad really, the concept is dope as hell

Like medieval hunt showdown with some diablo in it?Yes please

[distant bay]

The pr team got them into the gamefest, how on earth is that a fumble.

[solar sage]

But it wen't from that cool pvp extraction BR to like an actual stat check.

People spend more times in the menu's optimizing gear score for that sweet 310 movespeed rather than looting dungeons and fighting skely-men

[solar sage]

1 win dosent make up for they're like 6L's

Its a big surprise thought im happy they made it

But like its currently an "ow2" kind of situation yknow?Dead on arrival

[worldly kayak]

@dogman0 As somebody who plays apex and has thousands of hours. What content are you talking about? The 500$ cosmetics ?

[worldly kayak]

^ that was meant for you

[solar sage]

Not only apex,that was the first exemple that came to mind,but you get my gist

[worldly kayak]

No i don't because i came from those types of games and they fucking suck. They dont work towards fixing any of the main stream issues. Instead they make coesmetics to please the shareholders. I can't name any game other than Dark and Darker where i can pay a flat amount and just enjoy a game to its fullest without needed to spend any money.

[proper hollow]

Dark and darker is like crack , it just feels good

[quick halo]

Grinding ap is off ? we can't anymore ?

[trail halo]

seasons over

[uneven nebula]

We just killed a team for viola + weaver. Msg to the rogues that smoke pot looted it and died to storm: you're diabetic

[stark matrix]

is magic damage better then regular damage ? and why?

[versed spoke]

there is less magic resist for classes besides barbarian perk and some gear with magic resists just a lot less for it

[cosmic swan]

Also magic power scale way better than physical power. And even if base damage of spell are lower than those of most of the weapon combined the scaling with the lack of magic resist and magic damage get really strong

[north cargo]

Does anyone know if you can still earn the quest cosmetics?

[cosmic swan]

Yep until June 7th

[north cargo]

Thank you

[snow smelt]

It was always a stat check, it's that before it was less obvious and less figured out. It felt cool because it was new.

[jade nexus]

once you have built enough kits and know what you want it takes like 5 minutes to get a new one

[solar sage]

BG3,Fallout, Hollow knight

Dark and darker also dosent get ya the full experience for game price since they'res races and such that are locked behind a paywall

And at the verry beginning of the game,devs made it so that you had to pay for classes 💀

[pallid grove]

I wish they added more complex combat system where you can try to block/parry with each weapon and choose swing/thrust side

[cosmic swan]

Block with each weapon could be cool (as long as the impact power / impact resistance of each weapon is respected)

[pallid grove]

Yeah I just checked Renown game and they have this kind of stuff, while Dark and Darker did not add any variety at all for like 2 years already? Not counting multiclass cause it was removed and we back to stagnation.

[remote scaffold]

Hi idkw to ask but anyone else having a problem where it's not showing your leaderboard rewards?

[cosmic swan]

Yes some improvement could be done, especially around blocking and dual welding. They're is only one or two weapon combo who really fused, most of them are 1 attack from left weapon -> One from right -> all the rest of the combo from left weapon -> all the rest of the combo from right weapon. If combo where more fluid it would be cool

[cosmic swan]

Leaderboard reward may be claimable right after the wipe, so June 7th

[orchid sand]

anyone knows why theres no map rotation at the test serv?

but theres nothing to test apart from new class /shrug

i mean they definitely added ice map boss and 2nd floor, which noone could test?

so we just wait for it to be live to be buried in endless bugs

ive uninstalled this nonsense already, no point farming crypt map with almost same everything around, gear stats/tweaks is not something to test

but the chance i encounter warlord is the same, why not practice it in live server?

i mean they locked the maps, but theres 8 active regions, so no way im getting any players in my lobby from those 50 people playing test servers

[woeful plume]

HR crypts on the Test has had the amount of Nightmare mobs dialed up. A lot. Not sure what that means for the future.

[cosmic swan]

#1246151984030023710 message Here's the patch note of what was added on the test server

[cosmic swan]

I think it's HR Inferno, not crypt who have more Nightmare monster now

[azure socket]

here we go pay your taxes plebs!

[woeful plume]

I haven't tried to go down to Inferno yet. I'm talking about the regular High Roller Crypts that has had the amount of Nightmare mobs increased, by a lot. Used to run into one every now and then, now there's like half a dozen in each map tile.

[rich sky]

taxes

[cosmic swan]

Ok, ok I can't play on test server thank to the fact we can't create any character on it right now so I know only what was listed in the patch note and it talked only about inferno

[woeful plume]

I lost track of the number of Nightmare zombies I've come across. lol And that's just zombies....I've seen spearmen, axemen, regular swordsmen with the electric shields, so many deathskullls...it keeps you on your toes that's for sure.

[rich sky]

$250 Dark Edition lets you get into HR for free

[cosmic swan]

Maybe it's a bug and it was planned to be only for inferno. It make no sense that only crypt got more Nightmare monster. If they do that they should also do it with Goblin and Frost skeleton on the other map

[woeful plume]

That's what I was wondering, if they messed up a little bit and put them into HR Crypt instead of Inferno. Hard to say, the lines of communication with the Test sucks bawlz.

[cosmic swan]

Yes I don't understant why we didn't get a proper patchnote. If they want us to test thing, tell us what have changed so we can actually test stuff. And more importantly it's so bad that they didn't communicate at all about the character creation bug/ still didn't fix it. I guess a lot of people like me are just waiting to play but can't because of that (It's even worst for people who just bought the Hold the line edition for this patch and can't access test server, like me)

[woeful plume]

It almost seems like they don't understand how to use their Test server to their advantage.

[cosmic swan]

imo it might be that. The test server feature is not that old and I think they underestimate it when it could solve so many problem

Only the fact that it will probably solve all the delay that happen when they do hotfix on the live server. Making maintenance last 3-4 (or more) hours instead of the 2 they call almost every time (People seems to be very upset about that too)

[royal fulcrum]

JUST GIVE ME ONE MORE DAY TO FINISH DEMIGOD

i hate this company fr , up until this point i was defending everything they did but now since they had maintenance for at least 3 days almost straight i didnt get a chance to finish demigod , im missing like 400ap , glad they finally added FEE to join HR dungeon wow so cool

[woeful plume]

An entrance fee for HR is just silly.

[prisma crow]

You have a small pee wee

[swift ether]

they give out blue shards for free alot and you can get the blue ones just from playing so not really behind a paywall dude

[vestal lynx]

Is anyone else not ranking up at all im not for some reason and it also is just saying unranked for all my previous seasons

[warm tendon]

The season has ended, leaderboards are closed. Next season starts in a week or so.

[vestal lynx]

oh im stupid and just really late to the game

[warm tendon]

No worries, happens to the best of us.

[solar sage]

Red shards.

[swift ether]

you can buy the race skins for blues and the only other things that are only red are cosmetic emotes. not a paywall just you have to play to get the shards. redshards are for the lazys

[static kelp]

is merging 2 classes at 30 possible rn?

[cosmic swan]

Nop it has been removed few week ago. It will come back but not as we experienced it, they said that it'll be reworked in another system (probably a sub class system when you only have acces to a few other skill/perks of specific other class)

[pure valve]

can you move the dummys ?

[cosmic swan]

With spell/skill who can knockback yes, I don't know if that's all of them but their is Forceful push of ranger, Fireball of Wizard, Shield Slam of Figther and Bear form of Druid

[mossy moat]

Are the servers lagging or my internet is just bad?

[torpid oxide]

when is ruins coming back?

[cosmic swan]

#q-and-a message

[torpid oxide]

this guy again no one uses that fuckin channel buddy

fake channel

[cosmic swan]

#q-and-a, what are you talking about???

[molten sigil]

is there a lot of hackers in the actual game state?

[vapid arch]

there's apparently been a lot of wall hacks as of late

[cosmic swan]

depend of the server region. But the dev do work on it and hacker actually get banned when reported

[warm tendon]

This Ante thing is the most annoying change I've seen. I'm running around in normal looting every single container to make 100-200 gold if I'm lucky.

Combat is pointless, no one will have anything good. And there are so many PvP practicing players with heaps of potions etc.

[fervent prawn]

Killing bosses and minibosses can make you thousands in a single run lol

[warm tendon]

Well, I looted the gold pile after killing troll.. and I'm not doing that ever again in normal. I even stopped doing that in HR, just pick up the loot from the chests and the center room then leave.

[elfin fern]

that's assuming you get to kill them and also survive, that ante money will add up over time in a big way

[fervent prawn]

You do lol. Just make sure to pull that elevator and open a door to escape. Clear out some mobs in the escape route as well.

[steel pebble]

i wish they would make it so that if a player dies to a mob while your mid combat with them that you still can get the credit at least towards your quest.

[warm tendon]

How do I play warlock, I'm looking for next season' build, playing solo. I cannot find any build that works. I had good luck for a bit with demon-plate-lock, issue with this is a shield, any player who just puts their shield up completely negates everything you can do as a demon. Another issue is movement speed, I stopped using plate once I had a battle with cleric who could just run away from me in demon form.

[torpid geode]

dont expect to be able to win/battle every fight 👍

[warm tendon]

I am expecting to win every fight. Just accepting death as soon as you see someone with a bow or shield shouldn't be the way this game has to be played. Also, I cannot avoid these players, I do bossing a lot and after every kill I have to defend myself. I never know who or what will come through the door. The only solutions is to have a build that works against all classes equally well.

[cosmic swan]

Every class have their counter, for warlock it's ranger and people with shield