game-discussion

[cosmic swan]

Dude you don't need to trashtalk everyone too, come on

Yes for sure

[glossy barn]

I already have friends, hence why I never wanted solo mode, just like the devs.

I’m not going to be polite to the delusions that have ruined what was my favorite game

[limber nimbus]

youre arguing with everyone in the game discussion, ive never been so sure someone doesnt have friends in my life

[glossy barn]

Just solo players who don’t have a clue. And it’s not an argument. I recite facts, they cry. Rinse repeat.

[cosmic swan]

Well you might just end up getting banned from the discord or some, if you want people to hear what you say it's just dumb to insult everyone

[dusky oxide]

lol because i occasionally play solo ig im a loser lol, MrDarkzeid I can tell from this conversation that you do in fact have a pea sized brain. That is why you had to resort to name calling @glossy barn

[glossy barn]

The projection from someone whose morning routine probably includes slithering out of a still body of water in search of a human host is truly astounding 😂

Please keep responding to me, I have 38 more jokes to write and you’ve volunteered as tribute

[dusky oxide]

and is it not sad that youre existence is limited to sitting in the dnd discord and insult anyone who critiques your favorite game? @glossy barn

[cosmic swan]

Don't play his game just block him or report him

[limber nimbus]

^^ its a toddler just ignore the tantrum

[glossy barn]

Oh im chilling my dude, there’s nothing you or any solo shill can say to me that my father hasn’t screamed at me in front of my landlord. That’s doesn’t make solo players right about anything, and it certainly doesn’t make YOU any less of a walking left swipe.

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[limber nimbus]

as for the game, do we know when wipe is "supposed" to come?

[dry nebula]

This dude still going on about solo players

[dusky oxide]

I can tell from your messages that you are obviously not very intelligent and a bit of a loser so you have a good day my guy @glossy barn

[cosmic swan]

Yep, they annonced Early June so 2-3 week

[limber nimbus]

perfect, whats the over/under on druid coming with wipe?

+2000?

[glossy barn]

Please, I’ve used words and references you frankly started googling before the subject matter shattered your fragile frontal lobe.

You running away in panic is a prime example of someone biting into more tide pods than they can handle 😂

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[dusky oxide]

Good one MrDarkzide I see that you decided to write a paragraph because you are upset

[muted crow]

hot take. junk, common, and poor gear should just be rolled into common. squire should offer every common grade variant of every piece of gear you can use from level 0.

[cosmic swan]

#the-tavern message So maybe with the next wipe

[muted crow]

im not the only one who needs to pull out a phallic object from inside them.

[limber nimbus]

genuinely cannot wait for that class, the content is going to be so gold

[glossy barn]

These quips take two seconds and half a brain, time being a concept and half a brain being equipment you unfortunately lack

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Keep coming my dude, I write 40 jokes a day and your just todays frog spawn

[cosmic swan]

Did you try it on the test server?

[limber nimbus]

no i was working out of town that whole week i was so upset

i literally bought a gaming laptop just so that doesnt happen again lmfao

[cosmic swan]

Is it not still on the test server?

[limber nimbus]

is it? and are there people on there?

ngl i didnt realize that stayed open

[cosmic swan]

People i don't know, but I think Druid and MC are still on the test server

[limber nimbus]

oh hell yea im definitely giving that a try

[cosmic swan]

HF

[limber nimbus]

preciate you brother

[elfin fern]

what's wrong with ice caves? i mean apart from ranger being extra broken there

[solar sage]

Mob density,lack of pvp,frustrating pve, etc etc

[glossy barn]

Mob density is fine unless you’re playing solo, in which case screw you for complaining about mob density in a map that wasn’t designed for you

[elfin fern]

what if they fixed kobolds to be less stupid and hive to have maybe 1/3 of its current axes/skeles

[solar sage]

Map rotation exists????Are you stupid or are you dumb?

You are legit forced to play the map as a solo once every couple of minutes

[cosmic swan]

Pls don't start him again

[glossy barn]

That has NOTHING to do with Ice Caves NOT being designed for solo.

Just like crypts likewise wasn’t designed for solo.

Try not to respond to facts like snails in a salt bath.

[solar sage]

Hive REALLY needs a fix,but like,as a generality,I think ice caves dosent proliferate pvp

[solar sage]

So you are both stupid AND dumb,glad you proved it,please NEVER talk here ever again

[elfin fern]

to me, that's fine

[glossy barn]

Facts sting solo players, it’s why people who love dark and darker hate you all 😄

[elfin fern]

you're the only person i see saying this at all lol

[glossy barn]

that’s because the trio players left after their game mode was abandoned for a 10 months left.

So this chorus of bad ideas is filled with solo players and their terrible suggestions

[solar sage]

BRO,WE,DO NOT,CHOOSE,OUR MAP.
The map ROTATES,you dont CHOOSE IT,if the game says youre playing solo ice caves,you play solo ice caves,if the game says you play solo crypts,you play solo crypts,you're really dense

I DO NOT CONTROLL THE WEATHER,NOR THE DEVS MAP CHOICES

[solar sage]

Bro is either like a 30 something year old that thinks that being older makes him intelligent,or he is legit mentally damaged

[glossy barn]

Solo players cried about needing to get out of Goblin Caves, I have no sympathy for your complaints now.

Every minute spent on making the few remaining solo players happy is time wasted. Time that could have been used making Dark and Darker better

[elfin fern]

speaking as a 30 something year old i can tell you its painful realizing your brain doesn't move as fast or as fluidly as when you're half that age

[solar sage]

Im not even a solo player???Where do you get your infos from?You really are slow

[cosmic swan]

Can you guys stop trash talking you or?

[solar sage]

Im not talking about age making you dumber,Im talking about older people that tend to be delusional with their intellect level

[elfin fern]

i like solo and trio, i dont see why dad has to be gatekept as either kind of game. like yeah you have to juggle the modes in development which slows things down but each offers enough fun on its own merits

[glossy barn]

Then how on earth are you complaining about Mob density in Ice Caves? 😂

Trying to agist me while outting yourself as a lackluster gamer is bold my dude!

[elfin fern]

yeah, sometimes i get too up my own butt and need a whack from time to time

i think that can happen irrespective of age tho

[solar sage]

Demigod for 2 seasons in a row,never saw your names in the leaderboard thought ;)

Now just like stend down and admit you're not cooking

Like you burnt down the kitchen with your first message,its over,just disengage and stop being a laughting stock

[glossy barn]

That’s because my kill counts way higher than yours.

I didn’t rat empty lobbies for a shiny cape and pretend I’m good at online games 😂

[solar sage]

Wanna compare stats then?Sure thing.

[cosmic swan]

Can you like do that in mp maybe?

[rare venture]

It's not intellect it's wisdom. As you get older you realize how little you know, it is far more common for younger people to think they "know everything". You see the same stuff from the same age groups and watch people mature out of it. In the workplace, relationships, public, your children, it's all the same.

[glossy barn]

It’s called Socratic Wisdom. Gen Z and beneath can’t read so im not shocked they’re unfamiliar with the concept

[solar sage]

I found the phenomenon that older people tend to bellittle others,as they assume that they instantly know more about any subjects.The truth is,they don't.
They might know more about working than a child,but they certainly dont know more about technology and such

[elfin fern]

ehh, sometimes as we get older we get calcified into ideas that no longer hold, or that are built on fundamental misunderstandings

[solar sage]

Just like the boomers staying stuck with worthless opinions that arent usable anymore,etc etc

[solar sage]

Socrate,the philosopher of ancient greece,dosent take a genius to read neither

[glossy barn]

You can’t even use Autocorrect correctly my dude, stop blubbering about intelligence.

It’s Socrates 😂😂😂😂

[solar sage]

Im on pc???There isnt an autocorrect,and im French,so yes,I still make some mistakes while talking english,happens,but you certainly are a specimen of stupidity

Not a SINGLE sentence that came out of you was coherent or right,which is crazy,as even delusional people make sense sometimes,but it looks like you're almost intentionally being wrong

[glossy barn]

Holy shit, go cry in a corner and call yourself whatever tier of genius the Andrew Tate podcasts assure you you are 😂

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[rare venture]

I'm 44 and an IT director starting my own software company. I know a bit about technology. Most new hires I interview (19-23 year olds) know surprisingly little about technology other than their video games or what they learned in class which is usually already obsolete. Completely anecdotal, but I see it reverberate in chats like this with people thinking they know what it takes to say, make a game like this and develop content for it. The moment someone starts calling someone else names like "stupid" they start showing their cards. Time to just walk away.

[solar sage]

If you re read the conversation,ill assure you,you will find that this guy made no sense with his points,blaming solo players for "ruining the game" while im not even a solo player??Odd stuff

[solar sage]

I dont know who that is,but yeah I understand that your catheder needs changing,really,stay out of this discord homie

[cosmic swan]

Can you guys pls just stop? Stop trash talking you or go do that in mp. <@&1019888848773328936> , <@&988703997378584596> pls?

[glossy barn]

35 certainly isn’t “catheter” age, but your hair is clearly still wet from the womb so this “battle of wits” is more akin to Mike Tyson fighting an infant

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[solar sage]

If you where equivalent to mike tyson,you wouldnt be loosing an argument,about a game you obviously know nothing about

Saying "solo's ruin the game" is the orange juice after toothpaste of things to say

oki's

[glossy barn]

Mail is what happens when the kid who regularly stares at scorpion tanks in the strip mall pet shop gets 5G

He keeps making more spelling mistakes as he shakes with fury hoping if he sweats enough projection, an actual point MIGHT just stick to him 😂

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[cosmic swan]

Imo you should just expulse @glossy barn He just come here everyday trash talking every person who answer to him

[glossy barn]

You should ask yourself that VERY question Dilo.

I come here complaining about solo mode almost everyday, for MONTHS. Right? 😄

[solar sage]

@subtle heart get that weirdo out

[glossy barn]

Making good points doesn’t make me weird, keep floundering like a 3 legged cat trying to swim

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[cosmic swan]

Complaining about solo mode is not the problem, the way you're doing it is. You'r just toxic as hell

[rare venture]

I mean, trolling in chats is already one of the most cringe activities imaginable, so I don't think stirring up controversy and slinging insults is something a "smarter person" does.

I don't play solos at all, other than to do the quests that basically force you not to play the game like extract taking no damage, or survive three times in a row.. I'd rather just sling myself into PVP death why do I have to try to escape?!? Haha..

[cosmic swan]

Sry to insist but you should ban, or temporary ban him. He will come back tomorrow and start again

[sick depot]

Just don’t engage if you don’t like it

[elfin fern]

random question but, do you think people who hate reading docs or going in depth into how technology works under the hood arent really cut out to stay in dev

[cosmic swan]

He's the one engaging. He just pop while we talk and strat trashtalking everyone who anwer him. But pls just stop talking about that

[cosmic swan]

And sry to bother but thats the game-discussion channel, go mp or #the-tavern #off-topic-archive

[glossy barn]

Solo players ruined dark and darker with their incessant crying which split development time and the player base.

https://youtu.be/B_tYY0B3OrA?si=hcf5U_2bCIJRlLFc

Devs knew it would turn out like this, which is why they fought against solo mode for so long.

Been saying it for months. Still here 😄

[cinder salmon]

Hey folks not really sure how y'all making PvP look so easy. I'm stuck on all the PvP quests because I can't kill anyone as a rogue. I get the drop on everyone and still just get two hit even with equipment on.

I feel like quests shouldn't be tied to PvP kills but maybe I'm just that bad

[past light]

I still gotta kill 5 bards but I can't find one lmao.

[elfin fern]

since we're posting controversial hot takes to get a rise out of people, here's mine: ranger makes the game unfun and is a chore to play with them even on the map

[glossy barn]

Oh? Where’s your dev interview where they talk about how ranger makes the game unfun and a chore to play?

My dev interview shows them talking about how adding a solo mode will split the playerbase and permanently delay development time, both of which happened after Goblin Caves were introduced

It’s why they never wanted to add solo mode in the first place.

So where’s the “hot take”? Or you just coping like solo players tend to do?

[digital dock]

love getting on to check updates for DnD chat and seeing a list of "blocked messages", i guess the leeches are feeding this day

[glossy barn]

Solo players react to facts like snails in a salt bath. Y’all are emotionally too fragile, probably why you struggled to make friends to play this game with right? 😂

[digital dock]

oh look there is one now, cute little guy

[echo sparrow]

crazy isnt it?

[glossy barn]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B_tYY0B3OrA

Bury your heads in the sand children until the game is shut down. Keep patting yourselves on the back with how solo players “saved Dark and Darker”

[elfin fern]

no one disagrees with your premises, but pretty much everyone disagrees with your conclusions. all your talk about cope just sounds like projection because nobody else wants to remove solos

[cosmic swan]

I've already tried that with him

[limber badge]

Dark is a professional complainer

[glossy barn]

“No one” being the 3000 remaining solo players? Why would any of you complain? You got what you wanted the last 10 months and now the games dead.

Big grats and slow claps for saving Dark and Darker

*slow applause dripping with sarcasm

[elfin fern]

you are the only one arguing that the solution to a dead playerbase is to remove solos, forcing everyone into teams but speeding up development time.

let me say that again so it's crystal clear: you're the only person on planet earth who thinks this is a good idea

[limber badge]

But bro this one youtube video he posts every single time with the devs saying they like the challenge and complexity of adding solos means they hate solos and it's destroying development time

No joke it's the same video he references every time

[glossy barn]

Oh 100%

Burn this tire fire of a playerbase to the ground and rebuild without solo mode.

Stop wasting development time on the rabid mice comprising the solo playerbase, they will
never be satisfied.

Go back to making the hardcore and unforgiving, cooperative, hardcore high fantasy extraction game called “Dark and Darker”

Bury “Hello Kitty solo PVE dungeon crawler light” with all those ET copies for the Atari 2600.

Actually get the game ready for epic and steam release to give it a viable chance at commercial success.

If that happens, The game might last long enough for us to see ruins again.

[elfin fern]

ok but like, why would this happen, and why would you continue to argue it, if you have no buy-in from anyone

[glossy barn]

Because 6 million people can be wrong, frequently. Great quote from Vision Quest and always applicable when the uninformed masses start rabbling about map choice and it leads to empty lobbies.

Adding Solo mode was a huge mistake

Getting rid of it would put us on the road to recovery

Been saying this for months right? Still here right?

[limber badge]

Yes remove the most popular game mode

#development message

[glossy barn]

Yes, the remaining 3000 players spend more time in solo mode. Consider the game saved 😂😂

[limber badge]

Definitely ignore the stats

Drive off the remaining playerbase. Good call. You should be a dev.

[glossy barn]

The stats being the 50k concurrent players we had before Devs wasted 10 months on a game mode they never wanted to add? Yup.

Now you’re getting it 😄

Thanks for saving dark and darker solo players lol

[limber badge]

I can't believe the free playtests had more players, guys

What a truly revelatory statement

[sick depot]

I’m convinced this guy is conducting a very long troll on the discord. Either that or he truly has nothing better to do.

[signal osprey]

Still blaming solos for devs lack of content. Wild

[sick depot]

The frog bought an Alienware PC and is spamming discord

[copper lava]

hey quick question does Frost-Covered Funds quest from leathersmith have to be the smol oak chest?

[elfin fern]

always the medium sized one

[calm jolt]

Dear Ironmace,

"Would you kindly", replace current match making system? It is even worse than previous system (where at least you have some few easy games at start of your character). Now, we deal with all min-max true damage under 299 limit and wiping all lobbies (in normals you can't use any fancy gear you collected and in hr, bad stats gear is even more punishing so why to even bother).

It is truely easy to see that pve or gear is not a measure for anything in this game - everyone can deal with mobs at its own level and this is fine. Matching must be based on pvp score because in the end (as in all games), this is all that matters - player skills - pumping systems that would pretend to "help" new players like squire or delivery man is just pointless as in the end better player wins and snowballs until end of season.

Can't wait fo new season... Thanks!

[unreal obsidian]

The skill gap in this game is insane.. not to mention dead lobbies..

[cosmic swan]

#the-tavern message

They're working on it. We don't really have more info about it

[unreal obsidian]

solo is trash..

[past light]

Does every bit of buff/debuff duration matter or do you need enough to get at least 1 extra second? Can I have 8.1 seconds of sprint or does it round down?

[echo sparrow]

https://tenor.com/bL3To.gif

[cosmic swan]

Rounding

Damage/Health: All sources of damage/healing can do decimal amounts, and therefore you can have decimal health. Damage text that is displayed when you hit a dummy is always rounded down. Health on players' details page is always rounded up.
Details page: Currently all details round up, but some to the nearest integer, and some to the nearest tenth. Wizard's Sage and Warlock's Malice can give decimal knowledge/will, although their displays round up to an integer. Expect all decimal stats to have a margin of error of +/- .1, and integer stats to have a margin of error of +/- 1.
Memory Capacity is both rounded up to the nearest integer in the details page and in reality. +1% Memory Capacity will always equate to at least +1 Memory Capacity
Buffs/Debuffs: Durations are not rounded and last their exact amount. However, durations that perform an action in intervals, like Damage/Healing over Time, are rounded down to the nearest integer, resulting in thresholds that players may want to take advantage of. In other words, increases must be greater than its interval length, which is usually 1 second.

[shadow bough]

No patches for this week 😄

[cosmic swan]

The wipe is coming Early June they might be focusing on it (hope so)

[shadow bough]

Can’t even play the game lol, SEA is filled to the brim w cheat

[past light]

OK thank you. I had no idea that health and damage could be decimal.

[cosmic swan]

The wiki is not perfect and sometime finding info is hard but a lot of thing are on it https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Dark_and_Darker_Wiki

Like the whole rounding section is in the Damage one, even if it talk about healing and buff debuff xd

But you can always search by key word

[cosmic swan]

yep and that's why with Poisoned weapon of the rogue the fisrt tick show 0 but actually do like 0.8

[glacial sierra]

What do you think of artifact armor

[cosmic swan]

Why not but with too much artifact it might be too hard to drop the one you want (especially with good stat)

[calm jolt]

Where to "farm tomb stones" for quest?

[umbral linden]

old tomb location has 6 tombs, and 2 other locations have 3 and 1 more tomb

can send you a dm of a picture if you need

[calm jolt]

old tomb - got it, so I far I have found only one location with 3 of them (didnt' put attention to it before...)

[umbral linden]

dmed

[graceful storm]

would be cool if crystal balls and spell books had a small range of damage values that were possible like all of the other weapons instead of exactly the same per rarity every time

[rapid fractal]

Let me write spells in my book

Imma take the enemy wizards spells

[wheat rock]

When is the ruins coming back? Anybody know?

[cosmic swan]

Didn't see any news about that unfortunately. Would be awesome to have it like First floor Ruin and red portal to goblin cave. With a harder version of golbin cave in HR with more nightmare goblin

[wheat rock]

At this rate, I’m fine with it being on its own like it was, I just miss the map it was amazing and fit the game very well imo

[cosmic swan]

Sure but more map on there own mean more different lobby and splitting player pool even more

[woeful plume]

PvP problem

[dull dragon]

is 299 matches not a thing anymore why tf is there 3 500+ guys in my lobby if im 297gs???

[cosmic swan]

They removed gbmm on server with low population to avoid the empty lobbie issues like 2 week ago

[dull dragon]

bruh thats so dumb so then take it out completely

dis game is dead but still

[cosmic swan]

So very important problem, PvP and PvE are both at the heart of this game

[woeful plume]

True, both are at the heart, but only 1 complains about full lobbies, PvP.

[cosmic swan]

That doesn't make it less important imo

[dull dragon]

i give this game another 3 days of people on it its just so bad

[woeful plume]

To the PvP crowd, I'm sure that's true.

[cosmic swan]

The next wipe is in 2-3 week, if as announced. Maybe just take a break from it and come back for the next patch. IM said that they are working on a new matchmaking system that should be up for next season

[dull dragon]

lol ig but idk this game is stail and boring it only has 4k max players lobies are either dead or against gods no inbetween idk it just seems like a dying game andthe wipe is not gonna bring back enough people to make it good

[cosmic swan]

I don't think so. but anyway I prefer to keep hope and make suggestion to improve it, help people who have issue or question than just doing those kind of statement. I think you like this game and do want it to leave or else you would have uninstalled it and leaved the discord

[serene mesa]

Please get rid of leaderboard

Any game with a leaderboard is just going to invite toxic sweaty hackers to come get their ego position

[vapid arch]

i'd say any game that's advertised as hardcore and/or has an economy invites cheating more than a leaderboard

[undone belfry]

This man gets it... the leaderboards pretty much cheaters. And give them something else to gloat about.

[mortal talon]

The sweats made the game just not fun anymore tbh

[shadow bough]

The community ruined the game with their toxic chatting, but mostly their pre teaming and cheating. SEA and OCE have been unplayable for weeks. People who get banned just make alts and don’t get permabanned right away.

[cosmic swan]

I have the same feeling about the community, but do you really think people who get banned buy the game a second time? That sad but at least if they do that's more money to IM i guess

[scenic hornet]

God this discord is depressing lmao

[cosmic swan]

For a free to play, I get it but for DnD you have to pay and it's not like R6 or some where you can find it under 10€/$

[shadow bough]

They definitely do, because the cheater mentality here in SEA is win at all costs even if it cheapens the experience for them. It’s the obsessive weirdos that cheat then continue to cheat since the moderation is not at scale

[cosmic swan]

Ok ok, but how do you perma someone who rebuy the game? Is there exemple of game who have a solution?

[scenic hornet]

Hardware ban

[cosmic swan]

That's a thing? How does it work?

[shadow bough]

Well most game have an anti cheat system that flags when a player receives many reports. This game has something similar, I think the lack of humans reviewing this footage to finalize bans is the issue. Additionally players can more or less “get away with it” since it’s not linked to a platform where that account is used for more games. Edit) I think the lowering server population is worrying the devs on whether they should make bans more final

[scenic hornet]

How do you know they dont ?

[cosmic swan]

Did you mean "They DON'T have something similar"? If so I think they do I remember seeing one of the dev talking about something like that

[shadow bough]

They do have anticheat idk it’s too many cheaters I guess. I can pm you my report list.

[cosmic swan]

Ok. I get you point but yes they're a small team at IM and I guess they're busy working on the game. Maybe they should do a system like in Counter Strike where the player can judge other player. I'm sure some people would be happy to ban some cheater xD

[shadow bough]

I mean how is the game on NA server?

[cosmic swan]

I play on EU, and honestly I really don't feel like there is a lot of cheater. But I don't do a lot of +299 game. Mostly under 299 and normal game

[shadow bough]

I don’t hate the devs or anything, it’s just sad to see a Korean team not focus too much on SEA server, but I guess it’s not popular in Singapore

[shadow bough]

You never feel like a team just knows where you are spawn even if you creep?

[cosmic swan]

Sry it may be a bias but isn't the EU and US more attracted by fantasy stuff and DnD? I do remember earing stuff about fantasy game not behing that popular in Asia. Maybe that why they focus more the other server

[cosmic swan]

I do but that extremely rare like 1 game on 20 maybe. What I do feel more is people who hit just a bit out of range or stuff like that but i used to blame it on lag

[shadow bough]

Games are not biased, if it’s fun everyone plays 😌. I think a lot of people including my friends left during Multiclass and shortly afterwards the servers are what they are today. Filled to brim with cheaters and pre teaming

[cosmic swan]

Ok ok my bad. And i don't think it happend like that, the player base was already decaying before MC, imo at some point some people came back thx to MC. When they removed it another drop happend. But actually I feel like there is more and more player since a few day. Maybe it's just me tho

[shadow bough]

Some guy in general tracks it everyday and posts, it’s at 2k lobby 2k dungeon now. Hopefully the game turns around next wipe, till then tho I guess I will have to do treasure give away.

[cosmic swan]

When I looked a it today it was like 2.9k dungeon and 2.6k lobby. But yes I hope the next wipe will be good

[jaunty topaz]

🇩 🇩game

[fluid marsh]

Is the last woodsman quest where you gotta escape frost while taking no damage bugged?

cuz i just did it and it didnt count

[vapid oyster]

saw someone say that "damage" you take in the waiting room counts lmao

[swift trail]

im so done with this game, esp everywhere

[scenic hornet]

Esp?

[jaunty topaz]

It's a cheat that let's players see where everyone and everything is through walls

[swift trail]

Extrasensory perception, a.k.a "wallhack

[jaunty topaz]

There is some videos on youtube that demonstrates what those cheats do

[unreal obsidian]

what's the gear score tiers now?

[scenic hornet]

Idk I play 299 or white lobbies and I legit never see cheaters tbh

[swift trail]

if you run highgearlobby with sth better than "trashpurples" you will see them pretty quick, they just seem to have a lot of luck in finding you

[rich star]

please stop false banning me from the game/fix anticheat pls

[scenic hornet]

I legit never run over 299 sound boring 😅 so I wouldnt know

[solar void]

I haven't played in over 4 months. Has the cheating problem got any better?

[spice stratus]

ive gotten at a minimum 2 bans per session since ive played, there was a good run for a while a wipe or two ago, were i didnt get someone banned for 2 weeks. but now its everytime i log in, i have ban messages.

i am OCE tho

[scenic hornet]

Na east 299 lobbies seem just fine tbh

[sour fable]

No, it’s only gotten worse

[raw helm]

What's the conversion from agility to move speed? Like how much move speed would 1 agility give you?

[jaunty topaz]

1

[raw helm]

Oh ok damn

[zealous chasm]

Rogue is no longer a viable character to play. *sigh(

[bold wolf]

Lies they can stat check barbarians if built right with the right perks

Why is teaming allowed if it isn't pre-teaming??? Really lame dying to teamers. teaming in solos is for bishes and you all know it and know what I mean.

[subtle heart]

There are too many knowers in the dungeon, both normals and HR. I've stopped playing.

[high sapphire]

knowers lol. i like that

[subtle heart]

Yarp. A lot of knowers, a lot of folks from West Taiwan. Sometimes they're both.

[indigo cape]

when is reset?

[coarse herald]

any advice for someone who just reinstalled the game? everyone in this game is a legit jagoff, i can't survive

[high sapphire]

love this game just got chased down by a full plate fighter hahahahaha. im so fucking done with the ms cap change

[subtle heart]

If you're playing normals, get ready to face the most optimized fighters, rangers, and warlocks. Almost everyone treats normals like a battle royale. If you're playing HR, get ready to lose kits to folks who stack additional/true damage at <299, or get ready to lose kits vs. cheaters who have bows that can shoot through walls, rapier bards with the range of a spear, and folks using ESP cheats. Lots of Doyou, lots of NI HAO MA. GL.

[high sapphire]

ever since multiclass removal i just get chased down by tanks again. its so fun. i liked it when everybody had sprint

[jaunty topaz]

Game is only inhabited by cheaters and sweatlords rn, probably best to wait until the june wipe to really get back into the game

[coarse herald]

damn, well. alright. maybe ill try joining a duo in here but I doubt anyone wants to queue with a level 5

[limber verge]

People massively exaggerate the amount of cheaters. Are there cheaters? Absolutely. Are they an easy scapegoat for those prone to finding excuses? Yes.

[rare venture]

Yep

[shadow bough]

Check your dm

[pulsar perch]

I think historically people actually underestimate how many cheaters they are. A lot of cheaters don’t really just obviously win all the time, a lot of them still just lose.

I’ve always been very skeptical about the prevalence of cheaters, assuming that there’s much fewer than people think, especially because of how many people just use it as an excuse or whine.

However, I learned from a few different games journalists that investigated cheating in games like Tarkov for example and was blown away by the extreme prevalence. It was way more than I thought. Wayyy more.

[mellow jasper]

there's more likes on cheat forums for exploits than there are peak players in this game. I think theres a good few. I think cheaters kinda aren't as impactful in DaD as in FPSs. ESP is definitely big, but like thats not a big deal unless you're a landmine

[zealous chasm]

Hey Devs, stop pullin our chain, just delete the Rogue class, you have made it so fing worthless.

[pulsar perch]

I’m a stats nerd, and a lot of times I’ve tried to gather data about shit in this game. I don’t have anything terribly solid yet on this, but my current intuition tells me there should be about 1 cheater per 15 players.

[mellow jasper]

statistically that's about 1 per lobby

[pulsar perch]

Yeah, the interesting thing is that in games like this, cheaters don’t just go around owning everyone. Some people just want to use it to make lots of money and be safe from others

[jade nexus]

by deleting rogue

[jaunty topaz]

Next time I'll screenshot the ban popup just for you, the cheater problem is very bad even if it's just a few times a week

Like, cmon bro, everyone knows cheaters have spiked in the last handful of weeks/months

Many youtubers have made videos about it

[shadow bough]

^ if you are SEA or OCE the game is legit unplayable. If you want proof ask for a dm.

[jaunty topaz]

Last weekend I had back-to-back deaths to cheaters and even got one of them banned

Every weekend I play I see sus things

[high sapphire]

its crazy the amount of times im pickpocketing in norm or hr when im invis and in the dark even before they come around the corner(thanks hide mastery) and still get shot or stabbed in the face instantly lol. there is a stupid amount of cheaters. just lazy people with esp that still suck at the game

[shadow bough]

I play SEA and OCE and at a certain point it feels like the moderation isn’t enough. Every lobby has preteamers and esp, and they’re not shy about it. Frustrating a Korean dev doesn’t care about maintaining SEA servers. Feels as though they’re catering to the cheaters by not making it their main focus.

[zealous chasm]

Game over man, Gamve over!

[cosmic swan]

You have detail on all stat here : https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Stats#Agility

[cosmic swan]

It was announced to be in early June so probably in 2-3 week

[mellow jasper]

hot take. Rupture should be on barbarian and achilles should be on rogue

[empty zealot]

1 agility gives 2 move speed, until 15, then it's 1

ye

[dusky wing]

Im playing the game again when multiclassing is back

[empty zealot]

eventually there will be some kind of subclasses with similar limited abilities to other classes, it will be much better and balanced

[mellow jasper]

That's actually exactly what they need. No idea why ironmace doesn't double down on their desire for class identity. Classes should be leaned into their strengths

but i'm also a big proponent of hand crossbow having a lot less damage and being more of a delivery device for poison weapon than an actual weapon

[wind iron]

lol, ill quit for until they remove rolltate map, i just want to play solo in troll cave, and i have to wait 15-20 mins to play a game, i dont like map rolltation! just my opinion.
i hope they ill remove rolltation.....

[earnest current]

rogue got another nerf in sillent again fully legendary gear need 3 hit to kill red spider

[wind iron]

i dont think they need to shadow nerf like that, i think ur internet may lag somehow, and u missed 1 hit cuz it lag, is that it?

[sinful gull]

IM releases multiclass, half of the playerbase "ill be back when this is over".. IM removes it, the other half of the playerbase:"this is boring now ".. So how did that work out for you Ironmace?

its not about wether or not multiclass is bad/good, its about testing things before putting it on live and having better quality control not just for MC but all patches in the future

[knotty kernel]

This is correct, We should have got a functional multi/Subclassing training system in this game. Instead we got a poorly thought out, buggy and untested mess. And so many people try to explain away IM's mistake with the absolute Cope that it was planned all along to gather "Data" and Fix the bugs, for the real multiclassing.

[knotty kernel]

why not just learn how to kill bosses on other maps? Personally I think rotation is fine, it adds more variety and I feel that for most of us with over 500 hours it is needed to break things up a little.

[sinful gull]

Yeah, we vets called all of it back then and now you see the aftermath(plus a bit of a cheater problem ofc). They said they have hired alot and onboarding is going on, thats all that matters. Its not about "change this!" or "fix this, IM!" anymore, it is about changing the structure of the company internally cause they have just lost their way. So that we dont see the MC or Druid situations again.

[turbid shoal]

Its max a 6 minute wait. just go onto the market board its not the end of the world i am honestly happy that they added it it gives some more variaty

[knotty kernel]

Honestly, I don't believe that is a possibility anymore; changing the structure of their company. They have spent the last year letting reddit develop their game one weekly hotfix at a time. If they ever had a vision for this game it has long been replaced with a desire to receive immediate gratification from their sychophantic simps by solving whater issues their last pach created.

[sinful gull]

I hope you are wrong, but this is probably just it... I understand em, I dont hate em, but ultimately they made a game for a western audience and they do not know our standards it seems. It normally doesnt happen that you find the perfect formula 2+ years into development, true.

[knotty kernel]

Yeah I would agree, I don't think they were prepared for the vocal public response western audiences give. If there is a single thing a single person int he west dislikes about a western product they will write a 1 star review and make hay over it. I don't think IM being a korean indie dev were really prepared to deal with a western audience and the mental fortitude and honestly sophistry you need to employ to deal with them.

[sinful gull]

🙏

[glossy barn]

We “vets” actually called the internal destruction of the game once solo mode was added.

The devs called it too, it’s why they fought against adding solo mode for so long.

10 wasted months of development catering to a friendless group of sea monkey owners later, we have no druid, no ruins, no ice dragon, no combined hell lobbies, no working gbmm, no multi classing or talent tree, and no new content.

The last one makes me laugh because 90% of the complaints from solo players are the lack of content.

You isolated puddles caused this

https://youtu.be/B_tYY0B3OrA?si=ADkSrb4kgRUnhkpf

[vapid arch]

you've still yet to respond to me on this
if the devs were so vehement on solo being contrary to their vision of the game as well as a detriment to it then why did they add it at all and why are you putting the responsibility on the community instead of the devs

[cosmic swan]

Pls don't respond to him, he's going to spam and insult you for hour. He do that daily just ignore him

[vapid arch]

i know, i just want to know how people think about things

[cosmic swan]

Go look at the message he wrote in the past then don't make him flood this channel again, Many people already tried to argue with him, he just don't change his mind and is trashtalking

[vapid arch]

its not my choice for him to flood chat its his

[glossy barn]

https://youtu.be/B_tYY0B3OrA?si=ADkSrb4kgRUnhkpf

It was the classic “give a rabid mouse a meat covered bone and they never stop complaining”

Once the flood gates were open, the community stopped using LFG entirely and just ratted in solo game modes.

Devs wasted 10 months of development on solo mode because of this chorus of bad ideas known as the discord.

They took ketamine and got confused, idk. All I know is they made it clear they didn’t want to add solo mode because it would split the playerbase, cost them development time, and go against their vision of the game.

Then they did it anyway and killed their game I love

Solo players respond to facts like snails in a salt bath. Get over yourselves and know you caused this

imagine if devs spent 10 months on Dark and Darker and not 10 months on “Solo Hello Kitty Dungeon PVE Adventure Lite”

[vapid arch]

right but every game will have people that want things to be added that are counter intuitive to the game or just downright bad takes
but its entirely up to a dev team what they do to a game and how they want it to be played
why do you put the responsibility on people asking for things that are bad for the game instead of the devs who then implement it, even when they acknowledge its bad

[glossy barn]

Game would be ready for steam and epic release and not on it’s absolutely last legs

[vapid arch]

if anything it makes them worse devs because of it

[glossy barn]

Solo players love trying to shift blame from themselves

[vapid arch]

that doesn't answer my question

[glossy barn]

Devs thought it would help them because the loudest and most obnoxious complainers in gaming have always been the gamers who can’t make friends

[vapid arch]

if you're so opposed to something being added to a game and devs are the only ones who can change the game then why are you not blaming them

[glossy barn]

so all the posts on Reddit and cord asked for solo mode, while people with friends and social skills played the game

Now we’re here, with multiple versions of goblin caves and still no ruins.

Screw every solo player 😂

[teal breach]

Whats the drop cahnce for uniques in gem rooms btw?

[cosmic swan]

Mystic Gem Room
Mystic Gem room weapon spawn's Drop Rate is 75% Epic, 21% Legendary, 4% Unique
20/43 unique drops at the mystic gem room are Artifacts
46.512% chance if you hit a unique it will be an Artifact
So overall the Mystic Gem has a 1.8605% chance to drop an Artifact per hit

[teal breach]

what is that compared to just a normal pile

[cosmic swan]

Actually : https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Artifacts It's more simple xD

[teal breach]

Oh thank you LOL

does it show how luck is calc'd?

[cosmic swan]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Stats#Luck

[fringe cave]

what are going to be the ranked rewards this season? a race? and cloak skins?

[cosmic swan]

#the-tavern message We don't know yet, but we hope soon

[versed mountain]

Pls buff bard

Give them a useful skill instead of 10 songs

[sudden aspen]

Bard is already very very strong

[muted crow]

the people claiming solo ruined the game due to them catering to the friendless have zero friends outside of gaming xD

i can't summon 2 other goon gaming addicts at will just to load up the game and get quests and shit done

it never bothered me to solo vs trios until bard was added. then the need for a solo dungeon emerged. if the group pvp content didn't fall apart every raid, then maybe we wouldnt need a solo mode

to play trios is to just play buff and buffer and that's boring af.

[cosmic swan]

Pls come on don't start him again, he's already annoying enough to come spam here everyday

[muted crow]

who lol

i can assure you, whoever they are, that i am more annoying

[cosmic swan]

I though you responded to the guys who talked about it earlier (and who do that every day)

[cosmic swan]

I you want to try that, do it in general chat or off topic or even better in mp

[muted crow]

i wasn't responding to them so much as commenting on them. kind of like how if a monkey at a zoo shows me their shit, i wouldn't like... respond

[cosmic swan]

That's all i'm asking xD

[muted crow]

i'd just be like "hey look that monkey's got shit in his hands"

[cosmic swan]

You shouldn't do that if you don't want to get banned or do it in mp, again

[muted crow]

mp? dude if they haven't banned me by now there's no way im getting banned for pointing out that dumb asses are dumb.

at this point i'd be impressed that they actually moderate this dumpster fire

[cosmic swan]

Even if they won't it's just annoying for everyone when too people spam here, trashtalking each other. People just don't talk anymore when people do that

[muted crow]

lose the hope of that now. this discord has always been trash. the idea that discussion can be had here is a fecade. the fact it's only two other knuckleheads in here is telling

[cosmic swan]

Well imo it's not, and that's why i'm asking you not to bring that kind of stuff here. And even if it was it's not a reason to keep it that way and trash talk people for fun go do that in mp

[muted crow]

what's mp. any place where i've been trash talked and moderators did nothing is carte blanche for me to trash talk. since you're the only one in here, i'll do you the courtesy but when shit gets funny in here expect me.

[cosmic swan]

I'll stop here because (even if there is no insult) we're doing exactly what i'm asking not to. Thx for that but you can always @ the Warden if people act like this

[viral shadow]

Does anyone know if slayer + duel weild work with Cyclops Vison Crystal????????

[muted crow]

yes

[cosmic swan]

Yep every weapon, except Lantern and Shield if i'm right

[muted crow]

yup

[brittle rampart]

Anybody ever complete Fortune Teller's obscured paths quest? Doesn't seem to log for me

[pure void]

how dead is this game now

[brittle rampart]

Solos isnt terrible and trios in under 300 lobbies is fairly active. Anything else and its a little rough right now, but thats to be expected in these games that wipe at the end of wipe. Any tarkov player will tell you that.

[near walrus]

Copium. Player base hasn’t been this low ever. Maybe during PT1? Directionless balance, shitty HR rewards, extremely tedious AP system, GBMM abusers, and no content being pushed out is going to kill this game. Hopefully everyone’s just taking a break but I think the game needs something major to bring back even a fraction of the 50k concurrent it had at peak

[fierce narwhal]

Completely agree with this.

[cosmic swan]

Whhen was the 50K? During playtest?

[brittle rampart]

@near walrus I get that the game has tanked but I wouldn't call it DEAD. It's main issue is that it is not on a platform that is easily accessible to the general public. Once it is it will explode again. The other major issue was multiclassing which is gone now but people don't wan to just rejoin at the end of a wipe. You're right with the GBMM though, that needs to be addressed prior to next wipe and they need to be pumping far more content out this early into the games infancy.

Also get some damn advertising out there. So much of the 50k playerbase doesn't even know this game is still out and playable

[near walrus]

Hopefully getting it on epic or steam brings in more players. The optimistic approach is more players=more money=more development but the direction the devs have been going (working on content and changes that no one asked for) is more of a problem

[near walrus]

Shortly after they released with blacksmith

[brittle rampart]

I'd have to agree. I love this game so the optimistic approach is the only approach I'm trying to see lol

[tribal quest]

how do I get the troll slayer role???

[brittle rampart]

I think there is like a troll slaying contest? Totally could be wrong

[echo sparrow]

you cant anymore

[static rapids]

Then don’t play the game and leave the discord, nobody cares that YOU aren’t having fun anymore

[near walrus]

Guessing you started playing recently?

[scenic igloo]

I care

[near walrus]

Thanks mate

[fervent prawn]

So we should leave the game and ignore all of the issues that he correctly pointed out?

[shadow bough]

You are part of the reason the game is dying. Yes this is a hardcore PvPvE game, do you need to be a douche to everyone asking a question? People like you will sit here wondering why there are only 2k in the dungeon with no self awareness.

[formal moon]

No, the only reason the game is dying/dead is IM has incompetent leadership

[shadow bough]

Looks like we can both agree on that sentiment, wholeheartedly. If dungeonborne has SEA support its foundation on steam will make it wonderful.

[static rapids]

I don’t wonder at all, it’s because soy boys like you and the first dude cry foul at absolutely every mechanic of the game. You are nkt good at the game that’s why you come in here crying. Get better. Maybe play the game instead of crying in discord lmfao

[formal moon]

IM yeeted the future of the game for 50k players that didn't even buy the game

[twin magnet]

Nerf hydra so it has to consume permanent hp, resets on death or hell portal'ing

[shadow bough]

Can’t play the game with cheaters and teamers, never mentioned PVP was an issue, you complete idiot. If you want proof ask for a DM. Game is unplayable except for you restarts in NA without a job.

[limber verge]

I mean aren't you in a region adjacent to China, ofc you're going to see more cheaters. Unfortunately

[timber wraith]

Every game with an economy that has real money value will always have cheaters. Devs can't stop that.

Go play skyrim

[quick spoke]

buff boss loot what is this 1k named weapons cus of reward tokens but 0 from boss kills really enjoyable gameplay really rewarding playing this game

[tough smelt]

whenever i finish a run my game crashes anyone else getting this?

[signal osprey]

I'ma restart in NA and we def still have plenty of cheaters. Same thing with any online game that's just how it is idk of any game/company that was able to effectively reduce cheating to a minimal level

[shadow bough]

Updates to anticheat, increase in moderation, focus on what hacks are out there to see what they are exploiting in the game client. But for starters rush the gathering hall update, the pre teaming in SEA and OCE is nuts and I’m sure it’s in most 300+ lobbies. Those for starters would earn good faith from the community

[signal osprey]

could be wrong but im pretty sure they hired an online security dude idk if he can do all that but they added an anticheat recently so to me atleast it seems there taking whatever steps they can

[radiant fog]

this game make me go monkey

ooo ooo aaa aaa 🐒

[solid isle]

wipe date? think its in june right?

[cosmic swan]

Yes Early June

[solid isle]

thanks bro clears up some myths

[undone schooner]

I feel like my lobbies are dead and the people that are in them just want to run and hide the whole game

[proper stirrup]

what server r u playing

[undone schooner]

east

na

[proper stirrup]

i play on eu never got a dead lobby

[undone schooner]

well maybe I'll have to change to eu servers idk

[nova hazel]

Remove the smoke pot charges and make it like before or make fighter and barbarian have 3 charges on sprint and rage as well, I as a rogue can't escape from them

[undone schooner]

skill issue

[dusk grove]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[tardy zephyr]

skill issue

[shadow bough]

Remove multi class! Oh wait……… remove player base!

[mellow perch]

has anyone else been getting kicked due to abnormal server issue?

[novel sleet]

3 charges on sprint that can be regenerated at a campfire. Lowering armor rating on items, capping pdr and taking out true phys. More public tournaments/community events. Taking health pots bandages and campfires out of gear score. And maybe a limited arena mode or really anything to draw new players in. I hope ironmace works on these things.

[lofty arch]

I am

twice in the span of 4 minutes

[rapid fractal]

No gear score for non colored healing item?

[restive radish]

whats next update/when?

[graceful storm]

consumables and throwables definitely need to go into the gear score considering some classes like barbs have perks related to them like potion chugger, would give him unlimited heals

[fluid marsh]

Idk bout the three consecutive sprints, you can kite out 1 sprint but 3? Any ranged class has no chance solo

[cosmic swan]

Early June

[cosmic swan]

Yes but in the same way warlock you don't really need bandage and potion can start with more powerful gear than the other because he don't have to bring as much consumable

[cosmic swan]

And bard who have to go with instrument are nerf in a certain way

[graceful storm]

90% + of the people playing HR min max their gear score to 299 with the best gear possible and bring in 3-4 stacks of heals max that I see. I dont think anyone really needs that many heals it just feels better to have them

[graceful storm]

the junk instruments take up like 10 gear score or less

[cosmic swan]

Yes they take healing to be safe and because sometime it is useful

[cosmic swan]

Yeah ok but if you play the drum or flute song that do damage you want a good flute or drum

Same for the Lute, the knowledge make you play faster, and most of lute song are debuff so playing them faster is good

[graceful storm]

its really not that big of a deal, if you do want them then you can go 299+ and literally bring anything and everything you want and be bis, but if not you have to make sacrifices to play with the no gears. I love it

[cosmic swan]

Ok but why should we keep the consumable then? Only because of barbare potion chugger? I gave you some counter exemple

I think it's not really a big deal that some barbare with one particulare perk might benefit from it

I open to changing my mind but for now I feel like bard and warlock benefit/suffer more from the actual system

Someone said that : "No gear score for non colored healing item?" That could be a good in between

[graceful storm]

i mean heals are gear and having ulimited heals gives you an advantage. anything that does not give any sort of advantage (gold bags etc) do not cost gear score. It makes a lot of sense to me the way it is currently

[little obsidian]

should barb's savage perk come with a downside of adding gearscore, or are we all good with him being a dominant pick in <300 highroller? it doesn't make much a difference to me, not the worst class to face

[cosmic swan]

But if healing don't take gearscore, anyone will be able to have a lot of it if they want to. I don't see the downside

[cosmic swan]

Yes that would actually be a good idea, maybe same for the lizard men

[graceful storm]

I for one, do not want to Q into every 299 lobby full of lizard barbs with grimsmile and all purples with full inventories of health pots running potion chugger. Because that is exactly what will happen in every single 299 lobby if that were the case once everyone figured out the new meta

[cosmic swan]

Ok my bad I forgot something. Of course if you don't count healing anymore in gear score you need to lower the 299 to like 200 (Or i don't know but rework the limit). i feel like trying to make the limit like blue stuff without ring, necklace cape would be cool

[little obsidian]

I feel like a more stat-based nerf could be better for lizard race. I couldn't tell you what kind of stat nerf would make everyone happy.

[graceful storm]

SPEED ez

[little obsidian]

It could work. That's the orc's downside, and people still play as him. I'm just thinking about what stat could make sense to be bad on lizard ppl.

[graceful storm]

that could work but yeah idk what the number would be. Would have to be a pretty significant nerf to go from 6 per stack or whatever it is to literally unlimited consumables

[little obsidian]

making lizardfolk dumber (lower will or int) would be flavorful to DnD stuff, but really wouldn't solve the lizbarian problem

[cosmic swan]

I've just tried it : Helmet, chest, glove, legging, boots and two 2 hands weapons I have 208 gearscore. Without ring neck and cape. That could be a good base

[rapid fractal]

That was me! He remembered what i said!

[cosmic swan]

Well that was a good suggestion, it deserved to be shared!

[rapid fractal]

I think everything I've fully believed they need to add, they've added

I only speak facts brotha

[cosmic swan]

Ask them to add that pls : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem And https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554229/additional-and-true-damage-should-be-deleted-from-the-game

[pulsar shale]

Is anyone else's cursor messed up? Just came back to the game after a few days and this is making it unplayable.

[vapid oyster]

try deleting the 3rd party software lul

[pulsar shale]

Idk what that means

[vapid oyster]

/knowing-wink

[cosmic swan]

He's joking (i hope) like "Remove you cheat software"

[pulsar shale]

Gotcha, do you know what I'm talking about at least? When I grab items it moves them way off to the side so it's impossible to move anything

My buddy said he was having something similar but idk how to fix it

[cosmic swan]

No sry i've never had that kind of issue. You can try to make a check file of the game (on the launcher click the cog icon) or reinstall the game. If that don't work try #report-a-bug or #discord-help

[pulsar shale]

Ok thank you, I really appreciate it

[cosmic swan]

Np, don't hesitate if you have any question

[pulsar shale]

Check file didn't work, guess I'll try to reinstall

[fading drum]

so were teaming in solo highroller again???

[woeful plume]

Not sure it ever stopped, did it?

[coral mulch]

Oh special boooooooooooooooys

[hearty cove]

please bring back multiclass, i miss iron will on fighter 😦

[vapid oyster]

always have been

[crimson thunder]

is ranger worth playing or are they underpowered

[cosmic swan]

Solo/Duo or trio? Or all of that?

[high sapphire]

rat ranger windlass pen shot ez loot. its so fun hunting people and 1 tapping them lol.

[sullen cedar]

love how the falchion has the best reach out of any melee

[tardy sandal]

Game was peak when falchions hit harder then warmauls as a one hander

[cosmic swan]

The wipe was annouced to be Early June so in 2-3 week. I think they are focusing on that. They talked of a new matchmaking system, that they've solved the main issues they had with druid, some sort of teasing about the arena mode being in the next patch? And leaderboard reward should be revealed soon also. You can look at sdf message from a week ago in the #the-tavern channel

[high sapphire]

WHEN THE FUCK IS RUINS COMING BACK

[silent notch]

Did they add any crafted items that use the bug shell/wing or is it all just gold/trash

[high sapphire]

quests

[silent notch]

i know there is a quest for them i'm asking about crafted items

[limpid folio]

I feel like certain sounds such as breaking pots are deafening, is there a way to fix this?

[wary magnet]

how loud is your volume

[tender karma]

anyone else game just close its not like a crash it just closes mid game ?

[wet leaf]

THIS!

[limpid folio]

its max but i didnt know if anyone had a quick fix or setting for your headphones

[wary magnet]

either turn down your game volume or your headphones

[limpid folio]

lmao thank you

dark and darker over here trying to give me permanent hearing loss

[digital wolf]

Is lucky potion not working? sometimes the big one gives me 100, 150 or 50. Is random? how this works?

[quick fern]

50/100/150 chance

[jaunty topaz]

Big luck potion is a scam, random luck value from 50 to 150

[digital wolf]

Damn

[jaunty topaz]

Luck potions are only decent for gold piles

[digital wolf]

Why the item don't describe the information?

[jaunty topaz]

That would make too much sense.

[grand lagoon]

yo so i havent played in months and just went to open the game and chaf no longer supports it?

whats the story here

@zinc sparrow @blissful dirge

[jaunty topaz]

Hopefully soon, the Ruins was a very cool and aesthetic map and it wouldn't be very hard to fix the sightlines that favored range

[carmine crag]

It was one of the most fun maps for me personally. Very well designed imo

[pale wharf]

Guys, the lobies in brazilian server(600gs) are almost dead, how is the lobies in another servers?

[quick fern]

scripted npc's arent keeping people anywhere more pvp or dead game

[cosmic swan]

Thing like that maybe? https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem I'd really like this to be in the game

Also for me Ruins could be a first floor map that lead to Goblin Cave. Maybe with like a middle module on Ruins where goblin have reached the surface and put up a camp with a Hobgolin mini boss (Maybe a a bigger/harder module than usual (maybe with 2 floor i don't remember Ruins having a lot of outside/underground module) ? With a fix acces to GC that you can take early if you manage to clear the room and allow you to start in the 2nd floor with a head start of like 1 min compared to the other). That could result in a HR version of GC like Hell for crypt with way more nightmare goblin. Small map of GC already exist too (Even if imo the two boss + middle room if they both dead should stay even on a small map)

[fair sigil]

where is Frost Mountain Ascent 4 routes in frost mountains?

[near walrus]

the room with the lift extract. top middle of ice caves

[west junco]

I honestly think they're just pidgeonholing themselves with this boring grid system for maps. It works fine for "dungeons" like Crypts, and Goblin Caves, but even with Ice Caves you start to see it fall apart, and become goofy.

Imagine the good topside maps they could have, if they drop this system checkerboard map system. Mountain pass map, with a small village, forest, river running through it, etc. with multiple entrances to goblin caves, or the current Ice map. But interesting locations like that is impossible with the current grid system of map design.

[limber atlas]

Add Magic Scrolls to the game as 1-time use Equipment that allows you to cast a magic spell if you have the required Intelligence. The Int requirement and spell effect would scale/change depending on the scroll rarity. The spell effects could be brand new ones or spells from different classes. Another idea is to have the Alchemist sell them at higher reputations or possibly even crafting them through herbs. The Int requirement limits it to casters or the very geared. Some ideas would be an instant aoe heal or shield, or an team-wide invis, maybe a buff to stats, or some new kind of magic spell that does good dmg. the possibilites are endless and i think itd be really neat. wizards could even have a scroll mastery perk that increases the effectiveness of scrolls or allowing them to make scrolls via herbs while in game.

[cosmic swan]

The idea is interesting, try making it a suggestion here : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/ and send the link from time to time

[serene mesa]

Make the game only trios again

[limber atlas]

Thank you, I went ahead and did so. I added some other thoughts and ideas as well. Where would I send the link ?

[fading canopy]

does rage on barbarian give you negative pdr?

[quick fern]

sprint is better

[cosmic swan]

I think a bit everywhere as long as you don't spam it every 10 min ^^ But mostly on #the-tavern , #suggestion-discussion and/or here

[vital turret]

Let us buy a bigger transfer market to sell more

[foggy cosmos]

Entering a dungeon at this point feels like a chore, how can we change that...

[cosmic swan]

Thing like that maybe? https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem

[glossy barn]

Dead. This is what happens when you take 10 months off of making your game “Dark and Darker” to focus on solo mode

[glossy barn]

Preach

[woeful plume]

Please, they've been pandering to the PvP crowd since day one, they've always been the squeaky wheel.

[covert mist]

WIPE. You guys ruined this wipe by removing MC and adding no more content for weeks

[cosmic swan]

The wipe is coming soon, I think we didn't have new fix since then because they are focusing on the patch coming with the wipe. I'm not sure the new version of MC will be up that fast but they already called some nice thing

[rapid oak]

dead game makes me sad 😦

[wicked parrot]

Don't worry, dungeonborne is coming soon

[glossy barn]

if that were even close to being true there wouldnt be THREE seperate Goblin Caves maps and NO ruins XD. Solo mode ruined Dark and Darker

[formal moon]

Devs who allow scope creep in hopes of gathering a larger base always kill their game.

[potent mulch]

how do we feel about the current demigod grind

[rapid fractal]

I get killed by golden boys 😦

[potent mulch]

shit seems impossible compared to last wipe

[rapid fractal]

I've gotten a lot of lobbies by myself. Ngl i like it but i know it isn't healthy. I finally get to go to inferno.

[covert mist]

Actual scam how the game was sold as a loot extraction game then morphed into a BR with white items

[echo sparrow]

if this hasnt been answered you have to migrate your chaf account to blacksmith as the game is no longer on chaf. but you still own the gmae

[quick spoke]

nobody in lobby = blue and red portals should start insant waiting everytime is so boring and takes the fun out just sitting 8 mins till red opens

[formal moon]

Pointless and after I got my cape I lost all interest in any future grind

[lyric dust]

Why does the alchemist quest Lions Lair say "The lions Head Chests within the gobbo caves offer the gear.." but the quest is "Interact with 20 GOLDEN chests"????

scuffed

[elfin fern]

true damage stacking is pure cancer istg

[formal moon]

Scuffed dev team

[elfin fern]

it is for the average player, which is the point

[formal moon]

Fallout 76 has WAY more active players than this game and that says a lot

[echo sparrow]

you mean the game that got revived by the TV show?

[cosmic swan]

Yes that says Fallout 76 is a game coming from a licence who's loved by a looooooooooot of people and from a studio who have the money and people to work on the game decently

[cosmic swan]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554229/additional-and-true-damage-should-be-deleted-from-the-game but Graysun talk about changing thing to make the TTK a bit longer. Probably nothing to crazy because he started saying that a too long ttk was an issues too, they'll probably try changing thing slowly

[potent mulch]

But I mean tthey multiplied the AP

[limber atlas]

who else is excited for the patch today

[cosmic swan]

and even more by the next wipe

[knotty kernel]

What else is anyone supposed to build? What other gear is worth collecting for Melee dps focused classes? Sure barb and fighter and just stack strength and vigor and call it a day, a falchion does 44 damage a swing, a felling axe kills in one shot regardless of how much true damage you have. What are rangers and rogues, and wizards supposed to do?

[cosmic swan]

Strengh? Physical power? Physical power bonus? Dexterity? Action speed?

[elfin fern]

why aren't we adjusting the other stats or base damages to balance this instead of just creating haves and have nots for a single stat roll

you say "what else is anyone supposed to build", that's the entire point of what i'm saying. whether you are viable or not shouldn't revolve around stacking only flat damage and maaaaaybe hp/pdr

[knotty kernel]

fighter main, go play another class and learn how easy you have it

[cosmic swan]

You have other way than true damage to do damage, like increase your attack speed to up your dps

[cosmic swan]

I'm a rogue/ranger main

[fickle marlin]

While definitely the weakest class upfront a landmine rogue with DECENT kit can headshot ambush you with a dagger for like 100-120 damage full armor pen. Wizards can double or triple zap a cleric support to death and there's nothing they can do if they're caught in the open all their pdr is useless. Rangers are kinda in a rough spot outside of ice caves yeah..

[cosmic swan]

Even if you remove true damage, we can try to keep additional for a time

[elfin fern]

rangers COOK people in solos, i saw one three tap a pdr fighter with arrows

[knotty kernel]

you know as well as I do, that the damage bonus from stacking true is higher than anything you can obtain from perfect str, physical power, dex, action speed.

[cosmic swan]

There is litterraly 5 stats that upgrade damage

[cosmic swan]

Yes and that's exactly why it should be removed. It give too much damage

[elfin fern]

one of the best ls fighters in the games has constant trouble with rangers because they can just kite and outdoor people for years

and if you step in a trap you pretty much auto die

[fickle marlin]

Lol idk what game you're playing but yeah a good ranger can be dangerous especially with interact speed and if they land their skills consistently. True damage helps tremendously if you're using a recurve/survival bow. Pretty much always want true on rogue.

[knotty kernel]

but it only gives the damage to classes with high attack speed. Barb and fighter can not make much use of it. You simply want to nerf classes that kill you.

[hoary wigeon]

yea bro keep building interaction speed on ur ranger

[elfin fern]

i'm a bard so maybe i'm biased but good rangers are virtually unstoppable 1v1

[knotty kernel]

Fighter counters ranger, and it always has. Fighter simply builds PDR and uses a longbow and it wins the trade. The fighter can eat 5 arrows to the face and the ranger can hardly eat one.

[fickle marlin]

Can't take fights in open areas with large gaps yeah. Need to constantly back pedal until you 1 up them from range then immediately push with rapier. Harder than it sounds though ofc.

[cosmic swan]

You mean it allow class with high attack speed to rely only on true to build damage and allow them to build other stat?

[elfin fern]

do you see what's happening here, the slower melee class has to outrange the ranger, and that's assuming the ranger isnt just stacking true damage to bypass all the armor

[cosmic swan]

And again i'm not playing barb or fighter but ranger and rogue

[knotty kernel]

I am unsure if you are aware. But this game is an extraction looter. The entire progression system, hell the entire gameplay. Loop is built around getting gear. And getting good gear. The existence of gear with high impact and value stats. Is good for this game. It is not chivalry and it is not fortnite. Without good gear the game is pointless. The removal of high impact stats like +magic and +wep damage has actually led to less build variety. And is the current cause of the movespeed meta. Because gear is so worthless that it is better to not wear it and just move faster.

[bronze leaf]

true league of legends take. power creep isnt real and if you ignore it, people will have more fun.

[elfin fern]

what do you mean less build variety, it is literally ms + true right now

that's why either the op stats should be removed, the other stats should be buffed or otherwise made more important, or both

[knotty kernel]

when did you start playing? Don't tell me this is your first wipe?

[elfin fern]

deflection, address the point

[bronze leaf]

play test 1

[inner sundial]

Is creep of all removed already?

[cosmic swan]

1st we didn't ask to remove all the damage stat just true one

2nd fight right now are "Lol I two taped you, I'm so much better". That's not fun or interesting, less damage would force people to be more strategic and less W keying

3rd Really? Gear right now are weak? Come on wtf

[bronze leaf]

normals are the most played mode for a reason... and it isnt because people are afraid to lose gear, its because the fights are somewhat competitive.

[fickle marlin]

Gotem

[knotty kernel]

I am asking because, it appears from your post that you lack experience of past metas in this game. You seem to not be aware, that we used to have a time where you could roll +3 wep and +3 magic damage on every single piece of gear. And let me tell you, TTK was about the same as it is now. Because everyone had super juiced stats. But more than that, we actually had build variety. People were doing subclassing with gear. You could build rogue with true damge, or with weapon damge, or even magic damage. Hell people were building figher with magic damage. People were building warlock with +magic healing. There was so much more variety. Now the game only has one build and it is run around naked and throw things at people. And the cause of it is people like you who thought that the best way to improve the game was just removing more features.

[cosmic swan]

Low TTK is one of the thing that made the game unfun and that's why people play a lot of normal. And it's due to gear giving too much stats (damage stats in particular)

[cosmic swan]

Exactly

[knotty kernel]

After you complained and removed + wep Damage, after you complained and removed + magic damage. You even said "we can try to keep additional for a time" knowing that after they remove true you will simply argue to remove additional next. You are a cancer

[bronze leaf]

yep. the anime PFP guy is def not the cancer

[unreal obsidian]

can we release the patch already

[elfin fern]

so "you could build one of three different kinds of +damage" is a good thing? removing +damage isn't what caused this, it's that dps is the only stat that matters right now outside of catching your target. the way you diversify people into other stats is by making those stats more important

[knotty kernel]

Why play this game over mordhau and chivalry? This is an honest question. If you want a first person melee combat game, that is skill based with great opportunities to outplay your opponent. Why play this one? It is far inferior in that regard.

[cosmic swan]

Ok, i'm toxic. You'r alone in your argument but i'm the toxic one and even if we remove true and add, there is stil 3, THREE stat that give damage. There is no other stat with 5 different sub stat

[knotty kernel]

DPS is the only stat that ever matters in almost any game. It is a tried and true strategy that offense is the best defense.

[cosmic swan]

Thx you xD

[bronze leaf]

actually brain deficient.

[knotty kernel]

Good then we agree, buff other stats, so they are worth choosing problem solved.

[cosmic swan]

Well i'm not (seem that we are not) agree with that. I see that we won't change your mind

[fading drum]

thought it did, havent seen it in awhile. these guys were looting together fighting mobs together lol absolutely just sad lol

[bronze leaf]

go hold an angle in siege or valo or whatever lil bro... infact check out aim labs - all DPS

[knotty kernel]

What are you even talking about?

[cosmic swan]

He's exagerating but he's right

[knotty kernel]

I literally don't know what he means. Go hold an angle? is he implying I should play an FPS rather than this game? is he implying that valo or siege don't rely on DPS as the general strategy for victory. I have no idea what his post means.

[bronze leaf]

you wanna reduce the game to nothing but DPS - go play a 1 shot head shot game where the person who peaks a corner loses because the game is so static and not fluid you can KNOW where someone will be and kill them before their computer even renders the video that you have gone around the corner.

[wind venture]

Really hope the new update gives... something. Else I'm also done till next wipe

[unreal obsidian]

place your bets on patch time and length...
5pm central time.. 4 hours.. with another 30-1hr delay

[knotty kernel]

The game was never a one shot simulator even back when we had +5 wep damage and +3 all. Unless ofcourse you got completely gear diffed, but thats honestly on you for not brining better gear. Its the risk you choose to take. (and to clarify, by completely gear diffed, I mean you took commons to a fight against epics.)

[bronze leaf]

play test 1 is when i started playing this game. you cant lie to me... +3all on all did one shot everyone no matter what you had... please stop

you need me to go get streamer vods?

[knotty kernel]

no it didn't. Because most other people had +3 all.

[bronze leaf]

brainlet

[knotty kernel]

Yeah go get me all your cherrypicked spud hunter clips. I have seen them all

[cosmic swan]

Just let him be he won't change is mind

[knotty kernel]

Yes, because I am correct.

[elder orbit]

Any idea of time of Hotfix?

[limber atlas]

soonish

[umbral pier]

https://www.twitch.tv/mortalonline2

[cosmic swan]

Yes of course

[cosmic swan]

Nop there always at the most random time xD

[rapid fractal]

What game was he playing?!

[woeful plume]

LegoLand

[rapid fractal]

Oh okay

[covert mist]

I hate sped hunter

that clip if him missing all of his longbow shots while screeching about pdr sent me

as if the pdr is responsible for him missing all of his shots

[wind venture]

Its crazy how wizards can cast the longest casting spells within 1 seconds over over and over..

[cosmic swan]

Well they have 2 perk that buff the casting speed

[jaunty topaz]

Makes sense considering base kit wizard is probably the worst class in the game and has paper thin hp and slow agi and dex

[dry nebula]

mfw when a casting class casts spells

[wind venture]

@jaunty topazyes and when properly geared they are too strong lol

[high idol]

what do you have to say now

what do you have to say now

[rapid fractal]

Base kit needs a bit... more.

[shrewd void]

Hear me out slingshot or bola for cleric ?

[rapid fractal]

Hear me out. Seperate the spells in to categories. When you steal a casters spell book. You can use their spells. Divine spells for clerics and druids, etc.

(I just think it'd be goofy)

[spare jackal]

İs there any way to get the skeleton skin without getting the founder's edition dlc?

[cosmic swan]

Only the red one

[inner sundial]

SFD:
UNFORTANETLY THERE WILL BE NO PATCH NOTS THIS YEAR

[silver geyser]

LOL this game kinda dead

[blazing idol]

Still no druid?

[silver geyser]

gonna definetly check out my demi god rewards and then not play till wipe

[knotty kernel]

Good Maybe they finally learned, the game would be better off without their patches

[frozen mesa]

Adding leaderboard and quest rewards with one week left is crazy.

[hasty lynx]

none of it matters when blatant hackers roll every HR lobby

play 4 games, lose 4 kits, log in the next day to 4+ ban notifications, repeat

[frozen mesa]

No adjustments to the AP scaling either is pretty lame. Makes pushing for rank a pipe dream.

[knotty kernel]

I never understood this complaint. Why is it bad that pushing demigod is difficult. If we are going to have a leaderboard, shouldn't the highest rank be difficult to get and reserved for only the best and most dedicated in the playerbase.

[frozen mesa]

The issue isn't that a rank is difficult to obtain, it's that they finally give incentive to the rank and give no time to go for it, and with the current ap system + cheater problems it makes it too unreasonable to rank up.

[bleak mural]

give the players a Map tile Editor!

[neat tundra]

What is FSR

[noble fjord]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=What+is+FSR

[rapid fractal]

Ngl the percentage of players going for demigod is small compared to other updates they could be doing.

[surreal fiber]

what is FSR referred to in the hotfix?

[frozen mesa]

No incentive to go for it this whole time + losing 10 games of progress when you die once in low count matchmaking pools rife with cheaters definitely makes it seem unappealing.

[scenic hornet]

So what is the inventory rework?

[drifting berry]

Dungeon Recovery system is sooo stupid.. same with arena or "skill tree" ...remove creap, bring druid and focus on some good stuff not this sheit

[brazen mason]

We had all wipe to rank and empty lobbies for the last week. Let’s not act like this is the developers fault. Last season we didn’t get to know the rewards until later in the wipe as well. This take is absolutely entitled.

[frozen mesa]

Ah yes, the rest of the wipe, full of multiclass cheese and even worse ap than currently. So much incentive to push rank back then too

[lone garnet]

wasnt last season extended ?

[frozen mesa]

Multiple times.

The issue is that they're trying to rush this season to a close to wipe and get players back in the game.

Which is fine, but maybe put off the rank and quest rewards till next season then since this one has been so scuffed.

[lone garnet]

i legit thought we would go with this into the next season

wait wasn't this a in-between season ?

[frozen mesa]

No.

They also said they were going to adjust AP rates like over a month ago and just didn't.

Was waiting on that to push rank because right now losing over 1k ap for a single death is WILD

Especially when you barely get a couple hundred AP for a god tier run in the higher ranks.

It's beyond terrible rn

[lone garnet]

i know that, but i thought we are in a "break" time between seasons, since the timer wasn't even working

[frozen mesa]

The timer wasn't going because they hadn't decided when the season would end yet

Was supposed to be next month, but with the low player count they're rushing it.

[lone garnet]

well, it is what it is

[frozen mesa]

Just hate FOMO.

[vernal mantle]

helllo all

[idle sky]

I grinded demigod to avoid the cosmetic fomo

Unfortunate, they still found a way to hit me with fomo even though I have demigod :)

[manic walrus]

[outer shell]

on the brightside if you have a duo u can get 1k+ ap a run with all the dead lobbies rn on crypts

[rapid fractal]

I definitely agree

[rapid fractal]

They are doing it to time it with the summer games event. I think doing a reset then is a good thing as I'm betting epic games will be getting access to the game.

[frozen mesa]

I think a reset is absolutely needed, MC and GBMM killed the vibe of the season a bit and it hasn't recovered. I think adding rewards for ranks + quests a week before it ends is stupid af though.

Should just hold off on the rewards for next season.

[rapid fractal]

The rank rewards? I'm okay forgoing my rewards if the new players are gonna have a better chance for more quality items on them next season

[frozen mesa]

Seems silly to me for them to put the effort into these rewards for such a small amount of players that will obtain them due to implementing them when the game is at it's lowest player count.

[rapid fractal]

W opinion.

[shadow bough]

I hope they remove the pre lobby and make that the gathering hall soon!

[frozen mesa]

I do find it interesting that they said they're trying to focus on QOL going toward wipe, but have made no comment on the prolific cheating going on, which would be the biggest QOL change to make would be to make a concerted effort toward prevention or at least detecting it better.

[shadow bough]

👏👏👏👏

[cosmic swan]

#the-tavern message

[frozen mesa]

#discord-help seems like you need it

[cosmic swan]

?

[frozen mesa]

That's actually my bad, I reacted negatively thinking you were telling me to take it to gen chat lmao

Didn't notice it was a link to a message.

[cosmic swan]

Ok ok np 👍

But yeah I never go on general chat but it seem that Graysun and SDF sometime give info there. I've tried to search for their message a few day ago and found that they actually talk outside of the #📢announcements (sometime)

[silent notch]

sticking to the wildly overpriced AP entry fees still and closing in a week. cater to only the most try hard of tryhards and cheaters for the rewards. I wonder why so many people stop playing? lol

[wraith quartz]

Dungeon Recovery system I'm pretty sure they talked about if nobody grabs the item you can get it back through the recovery system if that is the case then in the ice cave if your about to die just jump off the bridges that lead into the dark abyss and die so no one can loot and you easily get your loot back

[frozen mesa]

I imagine they'd have restrictions on it like this, so maybe if you die to "kill volume" (falling out of the map) you wouldn't be insured.

[cosmic swan]

I see it like the thing in Tarkov, you can put a few item in a "safe space" in your inventory and get them back at the goblin merchant if you die

[hidden talon]

What does it mean FRS option in the update? Im not familiar.

[cosmic swan]

Maybe for a random amount of gold or something depending of the rarity

[scenic wren]

pretty sure it's just tarkov insurance

[frozen mesa]

They were referencing Tarkov's insurance system with it, so it's probably the same thing where if you insure stuff and it doesn't get looted them you can pay to retrieve it.

[cosmic swan]

And that would be cool i guess, no?

[knotty kernel]

Nah I'm going to defend it. The AP system in this game is actually good, you should have to be an exceptional player to reach the highest tier. Sorry but if you can't extract 11 times for every one death you don't deserve demigod.

[rapid vapor]

is druid on the live servers yet

[frozen mesa]

I've definitely had times where I flub it to pve and there's no way I got looted, so having the recovery service could be useful.

[scenic wren]

I think so, might inflate the economy a bit though. Depending on how they implement it. insurance in Tarkov is pretty much a money printer if you get it back. In the Cycle it was even worse

[torpid geode]

pretty sure its been implemented on test servers, the recovery system

[cosmic swan]

I don't think so, they would have talked about it no?

[hushed shell]

Can confirm it was on the test servers a few weeks ago when druid dropped, the goblin merchant had a services type tab that was some of the gear you had left in the dungeon but I was never clear on how exactly it determined what it returned to you, there was no insuring before raid like in tarkov but you could instead buy your gear back

I expect someone did some testing on it but I'm unsure myself on the exact specifications

[torpid geode]

yeah you could just purchase ur gear back in the test server under the goblin merchants service. I dont rmbr what the costs were like but there was no “insure before raid” like tarkov as @hushed shell said

its honestly a pretty neat feature

[hushed shell]

^^ I expect it might have gotten a little more fleshed out and maybe there'll be a description accompanying

at least thats my hope but you never know with ironmace

[midnight bobcat]

hope it's not like tarkov where you can hide your gear somewhere and get it back

[torpid geode]

yeah i was thinking this just now, but at the same time, i hope its not a situation where if a player kills you and they dump your gear on the floor so you cant get it back

[rapid fractal]

God i hope not... i know how the community is

[torpid geode]

as long as it doesn’t incentivise dropping gear out of inventory before death to be recovered then i think its fine

[neat tundra]

I have a discord where there is thousands of people. And it was mentioned in the patch notes

[torpid geode]

yeah everyones got that bit of toxicity in them 😂

[neat tundra]

I alrdy do that to organize my thoughts i get overwhelmed looking throujgh so i drop whats trash or im not going to pick up

[rapid fractal]

Not me. I refuse to betray and be a jerk. Be the community you want to be in.

[inner sundial]

Pls make rogue character black so it blends easily in shadows

[torpid geode]

now you’re gnna have to start putting items back in their bodies 😂

[neat tundra]

Ikr. Ima drop everything then have to redrop it to pick up their kit to give it back to them on their body

[merry nest]

trade killing new meta gg

[rapid fractal]

Just kill themnif they kill you

[torpid geode]

wondering if you put random items on a persons body, would it count as being able to be recovered? 😂

[torpid geode]

so real

[merry nest]

dont want people to get there stuff back? just drop it all on the ground

[olive flume]

probably close to tarkovs system where before you enter a dungeon you choose what to insure and if theose items are still in raid when it closes then you get it back

[torpid geode]

its not like that in the test server, thats why im wondering. But maybe they fleshed out the system a bit more

[olive flume]

hopefully lmao

[midnight bobcat]

"An unforgiving hardcore fantasy FPS dungeon PvPvE adventure" I think they need to adjust this copy now

[olive flume]

i refuse to believe that adding insurance makes the game in any way easier

[torpid geode]

does it count? cause they are still paying money to get items back 😂

[merry nest]

im pretty sure dropping would work cause i think it only returns whats in inventory/body but i could be wrong

[olive flume]

and they said inventory was "refactored" so who knows maybe there is an isured section

[gilded crypt]

can i rotate gear yet?

[merry nest]

just hope they fixed that bug with ingame chat with shift clicking items making u start to type lol

[left smelt]

it's not tetris

[gilded crypt]

It would make the inventory system smoother imo

[left smelt]

I'm sorry, I just wanted to be a bit rude 😂

[gilded crypt]

you're all good dog

[left smelt]

yes, but I think, once they mentioned that they wanted to make the game a bit... not sure how to call it - "classical", "retro" etc, so there might be some features they won't introduce on purpose

[gilded crypt]

i mean if its realistic i can definetely shift stuff around irl

[left smelt]

yeah, but being realistic you probably won't fit 8 heavy plate armors in your backpack

[gilded crypt]

im strong as hell dog

[scenic hornet]

Skill tree is stupid tf ?? Its the most important feature they can release by a mile

[drifting berry]

tell me you have no clue without telling me you have 0 clue. YOU also think MC was good? from 10k player to 4k?

[left smelt]

the game is not trying to be too realistic... not sure how DnD (board game) rules describe how backpack things work, I think they are trying a bit to go that way (at least when it comes to theme, not necessarily mechanics)

[gilded crypt]

fair

[drifting berry]

dats what i thought

[scenic hornet]

Are you talking to yourself bruh?

[sharp berry]

Being able to rotate loot is a basic mechanic of loot games like this, there’s zero reason to argue against it. Doesn’t make or break anything

[drifting berry]

no i talk to you sir. what about skill tree will be good? to get another OP sheit into the game? tell me!

[scenic hornet]

To make boring classes less boring ? Make more build diversity ? Make the game fun?

[sharp berry]

Damn something not even in the game is OP? Crazy weird

[drifting berry]

ay ay ay.. sure buddy whatever you think XD

[near walrus]

Skill trees would be 100x better than multiclassing at least

Could let you specialize your class and create alternate play styles maybe

[candid reef]

Pour one out for Ruins

[drifting berry]

when ruins come back @glad thunder ? @zinc sparrow ? when you fix gear score? and phys and magic dmg scale???

[cosmic swan]

What I wonder is if you get killed and revived, your body is still there so what happen if you let stuff on it? Because your dead ans alive at the same time. Does that mean double inventory? xD

[steel basin]

games dead

[jade nexus]

" Due to the scale of this refactoring, we foresee inventory bugs which we want to stomp out in time for the next season." So.... put it on the TEST SERVER?

[serene mesa]

man why are they still getting cl0wn emojied they are trying their best : (

[cosmic swan]

That would be cool, but my guess is that they can miss the 7 June for the wipe and want to gather as much data as possible since then. Even if it make the end of this season (who's already have been chaotic) more chaotic

[cosmic swan]

Yes people are the worst here

[candid reef]

Dark and Darker has got to have the worst community bar none

[noble stirrup]

fr

[tranquil blaze]

And the devs listen to it, hilarious imo

[frozen mesa]

Y'all are paying to get into an early access title and treating it like it's supposed to be a fully polished game. There's not enough people using the test server to fully test a lot of features so putting them there doesn't collect the data needed. The test server really is only gonna be useful for high interest content like MC, new classes, etc.

[alpine holly]

What is the FSR option that they are disabling?

[verbal scroll]

it's pretty simple: people are here because they liked the game, and the devs have spent the last 20 patches changing the fundamental rules of the game and why people play it. should everybody be able to extract, or just a few people? how much impact should gear have on the outcome of a fight? should classes be balanced around their success rate, their pick rate, or not balanced at all? should classes have rock-paper-scissors balance or should they have chess balance? these are all questions where the devs have changed their answers and for every different answer you can give to these questions, there is a different bygone game version that will best suit your tastes, none of which are playable

[jade nexus]

0 IQ take

[tranquil blaze]

Your name is a zero IQ take my dude, give the game back to Nexon please

[noble stirrup]

actually this. Like, multiclassing was awesome and their fans got mad because their old characters that were min maxxed out with gear sets were no longer relevant

[noble zodiac]

this man is spot on

[serene mesa]

true they should really just stick to one vision and tell everyone who doesn't like it to go away rather than try to please everyone

[frozen mesa]

This guy mains gen chat 100%

[cosmic swan]

I agree with that the problem is the "paywall" to acces the test server. I don't ask to remove it but maybe sometime make a "Test week" where everyone can use it, when they need (like right now) to get data fast

[tranquil blaze]

Yeah I did many polls during MC and the only people that disliked it were min maxing try hards chasing rank in HR. Everyone else enjoyed it.

[knotty kernel]

This, I don't even mind at this point if they don't pick my side and just turn it into a battleroyale. I just want some stability, the flip flopping between "should we have +3 all or not" is nerve racking.

[noble stirrup]

finally someone says it. I personally had an absolute blast with mc

[tranquil blaze]

I quit playing when they removed it, the game just feels bland now.

[jade nexus]

Professional Bootlicker, but let me play devils advocate. What about the people who paid $15 to have a test server. Aren't they getting scammed by having their main game ruined because the devs refuse to use the test servers that were paid for by the community?

[frozen mesa]

The paywall for the test server is definitely necessary currently. It shares a similar problem to a lot of features we want and that's that there's not enough players to make systems like these work well.

[hasty lynx]

i dont care about rank at all; MC was actually aids and never should have even been tested. Everyone I ran into just took the already problematic rat meta and found every possible build to maximize the rat meta even further

[verbal scroll]

I was always on the low gear impact battle royale side and as far as I'm concerned, they are leaning 99% of the way to the roleplaying and PVE gear collecting side so they might as well tip all the way over there and make HR crypts boss drops oneshot people in normal goblin caves, remove all sound cues and passively hide barbarians who are only walking while you're at it.

[knotty kernel]

Multiclass was shit design, it was the laziest and most poorly thought out way to introduce further class customization and advancement. MC was a circus that just further showed off IM's incompetence.

[tardy sandal]

People roleplay in this game?

[hasty lynx]

"How can we spend as little time engaging in any kind of meaningful combat as possible, in favor of 1-shot kite builds" - this was all MC was.

[verbal scroll]

they used to, but i am actually using roleplaying in the cynical sense of having numbers on a stat page going up invalidate player skill expression by deciding every fight

[tranquil blaze]

Sounds like you played too much HR

[low shadow]

||I like pizza||

[noble stirrup]

mad lock main is mad

[hasty lynx]

HR is the point of the game, the game has gear in it, MC made using gear entirely pointless because every lobby was Rat-O-Clock

[hasty lynx]

my man no Lock was mad during MC, they were one of the most problematic users of it

[nova cedar]

then why isnt it just hr

[verbal scroll]

that was the sound changes, not MC. that will continue in the new season as long as creep isn't repealed

[knotty kernel]

What are you talking about, every patch since day one has moved further and further away from gear diff, and more towards samey gear with little to no impact. We used to have +3 wep and +3 magic damage on all slots. Now we settle for +2 true on 4 pieces of gear, and just stack Movespeed on everything else. The game has only been made worse by the removal of gear diff.

[tranquil blaze]

Hard disagree, normals was an absolute blast and HR is not the entire point of the game. I'm guessing you're also one of those people that looks down on players who prefer the PvE side of this game to the PvP?

[nova cedar]

facts

[frozen mesa]

Yo there's people that actually want stat checking in favor of skill expression? Yuck.

[merry nest]

normals has the best pvp

[vagrant pagoda]

havent played this game in weeks, has something happened that killed the game or is it simply the lack of patches?

[knotty kernel]

I like the dungeon crawling aspect, and will openly admit that I haven't learned inferno yet. But the PVE in this game is shallow, you can only fight the same mobs so many times before they become inconsequential.

[hasty lynx]

@verbal scroll creep had nothing to do with Cactus Lock and Ambush Windlass Ranger
@tranquil blaze I've avoided making broad sweeping generalized assumptions about you, you should do the same. I play this game as a PvE game that has PvP in it. Normals is and always has been fun, but normals is also the primary PvP mode. I want to go down and do hell runs and boss grind, and you could not do that during MC unless you ran the absolute most disgusting, lowlife combos

[tranquil blaze]

Normals is 100 times better than HR, in every way. Change my mind.

[hasty lynx]

Normals is just Medieval PUBG

[merry nest]

Anyone who says different is just crutching on stats

[cosmic swan]

Sry but no one agree with you dude, we want longer TTK, more strategic and hardcord fight not being able to one shot every thing, that's just not fun for anyone

[tranquil blaze]

That's not true at all, I ran inferno constantly during MC with a nearly vanilla class build.

[frozen mesa]

Not exactly, there's builds that are only possible with stat rolls on gear. Like high resourcefulness affecting CDR, buff duration, etc.

[merry nest]

which are? say it with me, stats!

[rapid turtle]

hot take:

• Space cape sucked
• I hope the rewards this wipe are actually cool

[hasty lynx]

then we had radically different experiences with the entirety of the MC Mistake; every game and I do mean every single game was plagued by idiotic builds

[nova cedar]

i disagree heavily i did plenty of hell runs and bosses just fine with MC no matter norms or hr

[primal pulsar]

Hot take rewards should be determined at the start of the season and not 1 week before it ends

[rapid turtle]

reasonable take

[maiden urchin]

Trueeee

[rapid turtle]

I mean cough "HOW DARE YOU"

[hasty lynx]

anyway i fell for the trap of talking in this channel's perpetual flamewar, but no not "everyone except rank grinding sweats" loved MC - MC killed the game and we'll see if anyone comes back for the next wipe

[knotty kernel]

It is shit. It lacks any sense of progression, because the only purpose to extracting EI Gear is unusable in that mode. And for the same reason it lacks any risk because you don't bring in anything. It is a mode for COD babies that never got over gear fear. It's not even a good first person combat game, if you want one of those go play Chiv or Mordhau. Oh but if you played a real skill based game, with indepth mechanics then you would lose.

[knotty kernel]

this

[frozen mesa]

The issue of people using stats as a crutch comes from meta builds that hard focus flat damage + health/movespeed, I think if they got rid of flat damage stats and made attributes have more meaningful scaling it would make using gear actually more interesting, and less about this "blue/green 299 lobby with +true/additional" nonsense.

[candid reef]

Are people still defending multi-class

[merry nest]

ur not wrong but stacking any stat can lead to imbalanced builds, if they remove flat dmg it will be power, if they remove power it will be action speed etc

[knotty kernel]

Everyone else left the game already, only the most dopamine fried, addicts still play.

[tranquil blaze]

Sorry to hear you had a bad time, that's really unfortunate because you missed a lot of good fun. Anywho, I've said my peace. I'm not interested in making this discord any more active, @glad thunder bring back multiclassing.

@knotty kernel commons are a thing but ok. Mordhau is ass, returned it almost immediately and chiv is good fun but it's an arcade hack and slash not a skill based game.

[candid reef]

Let multi-class stay gone 💀

[cosmic swan]

Do you have only terrible opinion? I don't want to be mean but damn why are you playing this game if that's what you are looking for

[nova cedar]

they already said theyre prolly bringing it back and still working on it

[merry nest]

i actually enjoyed mordhau

[digital dock]

The R-M-T dynasty warriors are rejoicing over the "dungeon recovery system" AKA "Whale replacement factory". The average normal gamer does not have gear fear or would ever look back after dying and be like "sure wish i could be a little baby boy and buy my gear back when i die"

[knotty kernel]

Because that is what the game used to be. It was like that during the free betas, and it was like that for about 3 months after the game released in EA. IM listened to people like you and ruined what was a really good game, and lost the majority of their playerbase as a result. It is a real shame, because now left with a shell of a game.

[digital dock]

The only people who will be using the "dungeon recovery system" are the exact gamer scum that are ruining this game in the first place.

[near walrus]

I don’t think overtuned gear is what makes this game fun… what killed the game is lack of content and actual progression to be made. The only thing to do in game atm is grind adventure points by avoiding fights and min/maxing treasure

[merry nest]

I think alot of people also just got really put off by grinding when MC was in and them removing it right after

[cosmic swan]

You should read back what SDF said in that time. He was the one saying that the game in this stat of +3 all meta wasnt what he wanted and that why they added the fact that we can't have any stat on any item. He also asked himself if random attribute stat should not be removed at all. You'r reading the story in the wrong side

[digital dock]

"Boo hoo bee boo daddy I lost my 10k set i purchased off the internet, someone help me!" Then the Devs swoop in - "We got you bro"

[cosmic swan]

Imo they should had stuff like that : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem

[merry nest]

I also think the recovery thing is kinda dumb but I mostly play normals so Idk

[unreal obsidian]

well i was wrong.. looks like it's over an hour delay

[digital dock]

Hopefully the "dungeon recovery system" is actually a trap designed to identify the worthless scum who actually use it, and delete them from the game.

[merry nest]

i guess it is a nice feature now that we can trade kills

[sharp berry]

You’ll have to buy back your gear, and only if someone doesn’t take it off you in dungeon.

People complain about anything lol

[grim token]

rogue is weak as shit its not even a brag, peple need to step back and take a good hard look at themselves, after all rogue needs a buff so badly like so bad its so weak whenever i cme across ne its a free kill, i reckon give thema tripple jump and nerf the other classes, perhaps give archer a limit on their arrows and wizards a hard cap on the spells used, a barbiarian health nerf is needed as well around 60% at minimum. bards need a nerf on their songs maybe make them harder to play but also give them more variaty in the songs they play. rogues need a buff so hard it hurts like ive never seen game devs this blind, maybe giving them a moly and if they stand still they turn invis after 1.5 seconds. ROGUE NEEDS A BUFF AND OTHER CLASSES NEED A NERF. fighter is to verastile they need to pick a weapn lets say swords and maKe the use it and thats it. ALSO ROGUES NEED SPELL CASTING. rangers should have a 50% range nerf and rogues get an instant kill if they hit a backstab or an attack that takes tem out of invis
PLEASE IRONMACE BUFF ROGUES AND NERF THE OTHER CLASSES. for wizards tey need to remove aoe spells and cap te limit to 3 and allow tem to cast 4 spells of any type per match similar to archers, they need to straigt up remove some f te endgame gear its unfair for most classes (EXCEPT ROGUE, NOTICE A PATTERN) peraps giving barbarians te ability t trow weapons as secondary ability (would deal half damage of the weapon and have range and velocity based on type) THIS TAKES ME BACK TO T NEW PLAYER EXPEIRINCE, NEW PLAYERS PICK ROGUE TINKING ITS STEALTHY AND COOL BUT ITS NOT ITS IDENTICAL TO FIGTER BUT SHITTER, NERF ALL CLASSES BUT ROGUE IT NEEDS A BUFF SO INCREDIBLY BAD. ALSO CLERIC IS GARBAGE ITS DEFENCE IS MEANINGLES AND ITS HEALS ARE MID GIVE IT MORE DAMAGE

[merry nest]

too long didnt read

[sharp berry]

No ones reading that

[lunar summit]

Really solid points Agent of the Nine. Good read

[grim token]

tldr: rogue bad need buff nerf other classes

[merry nest]

rogue just got a buff tho

[lunar summit]

Probably the most effective way to convey your message

[torpid geode]

hmm never thought about it xD

[grim token]

so? its still weak and underperforming, just because its no longer an auto loss doesnt mean its balanced

[knotty kernel]

Oh yeah SDF doesnt want +3 all in the game, that is why they have added it back to the game 5 times, despite the community outrage each and every time. The truth is this game was envisioned as a tarkov clone with sword and sorcerry. But SDF and the rest of them at IM, being ignorant of the vitriol from western fanbases, thought that all the opboated posts reddit where evidentiary of flaws with their game, rather than the ramblings of entitled idiots, and so they changed their game and abandoned their vision to appeal to you. As a result the game is on life support, and in the worst state ever.

[digital dock]

I will be dumping everyone gear on the ground from now on that i Kill in protest. Being able to buy your gear back in an extraction looter that is designed around not doing that exact thing is absurd.

[wild jay]

I did stop playing when MC came in

[sharp berry]

Tarkov has insurance, no one cries about it like you are

[merry nest]

rogue is a stealthy class, if I ambush someone 9/10 times they die unless its high pdr, I haven't though of rogue as weak since they rebuffed daggers

[digital dock]

Tarkov is flooded with R-M-T losers and cheating TOO!

[past bobcat]

I cheat on Tarkov

[knotty kernel]

I will agree, rogue is actually in a fine spot right now, as long as they dont nerf true damage.

[candid reef]

Weeping

[candid reef]

No Multi-classing was just fundamentally broken and unfun.

[sharp berry]

Unalive yourself then

[grim token]

rogues should not be forced into using the weakest weapon without any proper bonuses, i suggest a backstab perk allowing for instant assasination from behind, and removing timer on stealth to facilitate it, it could easily be added by making rogues be able to mvoe in stealth by default and replacing that perk

[merry nest]

people just running straight at people as rogue and expecting wins i guess?

[knotty kernel]

Absolutely, Undeniably, Unequivocally, Based

[merry nest]

now i know ur trollin

[grim token]

bro, im saying these are the bare minimum rogue needs

[candid reef]

Bait used to be believable

[merry nest]

daggers are literally the highest dps weapon ingame

[grim token]

dps is meaningless when u die in 2 hits, not to mention the range is laughable

[sharp berry]

Bait started decent, you lost it

[maiden urchin]

an instant kill is bare minimum need?

[vapid arch]

"rogues get an instant kill if they hit a backstab or an attack that takes tem out of invis"
im telling savvy to take away your crack

[merry nest]

bro needs to lay off the pipe for real

[grim token]

well not instant, but perhaps a multupler that does an animation if you kill then, must be from behind and close

[dry nebula]

reminder that warlock got multiple nerfs because of kris DAGGER

[past bobcat]

@sharp berry Nothing brings me more joy than running up to a group of players talking shit then one tapping all of them. stay triggered while i speed hack my way across reserve with all key room loot in my backpack

[maiden urchin]

youre cringe

[grim token]

have you looked at other classes, its only fair

[candid reef]

just stop talking dawg

[jaunty topaz]

Rogues already have so much damage with knives bro idk what this guy is smoking
In fact it's gonna be even better now that the Stiletto bug is fixed

[grim token]

thats because walock are very op, rogue just needs buffs to be able to properly utilise the weapon its class is designed aorund

[candid reef]

[sharp berry]

F-aggot

[dry nebula]

warlocks are fine, rogues are fine

[digital dock]

Ah now I see

[merry nest]

u are aware u can hit 95% power from ambush with rogue and that makes daggers hit pretty hard, with its high dps u can almost always get the kill

[grim token]

warlocks are fine now, (still stornger than rogue) but rogues are on the weakre side, every class should be equally viable

[candid reef]

rogue is given the same armor pen as a crossbow

[knotty kernel]

Rogue is actually in a good spot right now, as long as you build it right. Just stack health and true damage and you are golden.

[grim token]

i here the backlash to the assassniation idea, how about a sortve boosted double jump and a dagger throw perk

[jaunty topaz]

Even though rogues may be a relatively "bad" class they are still very viable and have alot of damage

[vapid arch]

yeah lets make every class have the maximum amount of output with the least amount of skill expression and interactability, this will surely result in a healthy game state that people will continue to play
i think stealth and assassins are inherently hard to balance in pvp games, especially in something like dark and darker, but you're ill in the head if you think the solution is to give rogue more damage and promote sitting in corners in stealth instead of ways to express their skill in spacing and skirmishing

[grim token]

so you see the issue, you are forced to play rpogue as a pseudo fighter, stack health and damage, you should be able to pplay the sneaky fighter who can outwit thier oppnonets instead of a walk in stick go brrr

[cosmic swan]

Are you playing the same game than us? Rogue already have all of that, +30% damage in the back, double jump and they have throwing knive

[grim token]

you say that but rogue rn is see person, run at, kill (or die if they are half competant)

[merry nest]

the only change i think rogue could use is to remove the smoke from using hide, other than that rogue is fairly balanced.

[grim token]

not enough, throwables that replensih like rope darts, and improved double jump

[vapid arch]

sounds like a massive skill issue if you're just running at people and dying, go get better at the game instead of begging devs to give your class a one shot kill mechanic
actual asylum patient

[grim token]

or perhaps fixing all the issues might help

[merry nest]

guys lets just stop falling for the bait

[jade nexus]

[knotty kernel]

No you still play it as a sneaky assassin. if you w key you are going to lose against any other class, you have to acutally use your hide and stealth tactics to actually get the kill. The true damage is just to give the dps to get the kill and the health is so you can survie the one headshot they are for sure going to land on you before they die.

[grim token]

i suggest you walk into the zone

[cosmic swan]

The ability to fly and a machine gun hand crossbow like vampire hunter too?

[merry nest]

autozone?

[grim token]

except they nerf that to the ground because people complain when you have to watch your surroundings carefully

[grim token]

bro be real, that would be way to op

[merry nest]

Agreed

[grim token]

besides vampirism just isnt that good on melee

[cosmic swan]

Yes you'r right sry, even if it's bot a bait we should not focus him like that. That's just not good idea, we don't need to be rude

[digital dock]

Im just going to throw this out there, I think the insertion of "dungeon recovery system" is eastern gaming cultural influence poisoning the game. I would like to see some stats but I am willing to bet you wont be seeing a lot of western gamers using such a scummy honor less system. The east is master of creating honor less systems so not a surprise its been brought to this game to appease the whales. The only people this benefits is R-M-T players and try hards who dont realize they are the problem.

[fading drum]

"slightly affect times"

[knotty kernel]

I mean sure @cosmic swan is already complaining about it. Yeah this is a dead game bro, We are steerless without a captain, the prisoners run the yard. I don't expect this game to stay in a decent state for long.

[grim token]

perhaps they should allows for a chloroform item, to incapacitate opnnents, would allow rogues to temporaility knock someone out

[grim token]

ive been here 2 years, people say that since day 1

[knotty kernel]

Should have heeded their warnings. I wish I had.

[jade nexus]

Remember that if you jump in the void, nobody can loot your items, so you can loot recovery system them. Obviously I haven't been able to test this, but who would bet against it working?

[merry nest]

how much do you make RMTing tho

[knotty kernel]

You need to change your name, and quick.

[digital dock]

The fact that it exists at all implies they make enough to pay their bills.

[jade nexus]

Last I checked, Nexon Lost

[vapid arch]

pretty sure the recovery system only affects gear that doesn't get picked up, so there shouldn't be a means to dupe it

[cosmic swan]

Imagine If you die and get revived, as your body is still here but your alive at the same time you can have a double inventory

[knotty kernel]

Nah, man they won hard, this game is dead, and they never even had to do anything about it. But in all seriousnes, the lawsuit is actually still ongoing, the actual determination over who owns the rights to the game has not yet been decided, and there are still very good reasons to believe Nexon will win that suit.

[jade nexus]

yea ok bud

[digital dock]

Im not worried about the dupe factor. I am concerened about the foundation of the game being warped by adding in a system that allows R-M-T players and sweaty losers to essentially bypass the main mechanic of the game inteded to level the playing field.

[grim token]

i just palyed a round, won easy game bad, rogue weak

[knotty kernel]

I mean that is a fact, the lawsuit in the United states was dismissed, but there is still open and ongoing litigation in the Korean courts, which historically heavily favor entrenched and large corporations when it comes to copyright disputes. That is the reason steam is still refusing to allow this game on their platform, Steam is aware that the actual ownership of this game is legitimately disputed and is refusing to touch it.

[digital dock]

the "dungeon recovery system" is essentially anti-competitive

[jade nexus]

About to die? Drop your items in a bush

[grim token]

bad game choices ruined the game not lawsuits, if they werent idiots it would be fine

[digital dock]

didnt even think of that, thank you

[grim token]

all it takes is a % chance for items to be destroyed on death and the game is fixed

[jade nexus]

It's a Tarkov classic

[digital dock]

Lets not forget Tarkov's entire business model was centered around whales, now DnD is doing the same.

[knotty kernel]

You are correct, that was the first part of my post. The game is actually already dead, and Nexon didnt even have to win the suit to kill it. IM did it themselves, which actually ends up granting some credence to Nexons claim that the game was infact stolen. It is kinda hard to imagine that the people currently developing this game; in the incompetent manner they are doing so, are the same people who made the masterpiece that was Dark and Darker.

[grim token]

well yea its the reason games like albion or eve exist, they have full loot pvp however loot can be destroyed so there is a constant demand, a much better cycle

[knotty kernel]

If only it was, if only they added microtransactions to this game, and let whales decide the future, we would be in a much better place.

[grim token]

havent pllayed since release, what happened?

[sullen hearth]

How do we as players allow IM to be LATE as F on ever single hotfix and we stick around for this dying game? Can anyone explain to me why I accept this from them?

[worldly kayak]

can anybody spare me trial key

[candid reef]

Rogue is absolutely not weak

[knotty kernel]

Because you are an addict, like we all are. Dark and Darker is videogame crack, truly. One of the best gameplay loops ever designed. such a shame it is managed by idiots.

[ember hull]

any eta on update yet?

[grim token]

nah ur wrong, probably play ranger and think its ballanced

[knotty kernel]

rogue V ranger is a skill matchup

[cosmic swan]

Because we're all obsessed by the game, he good, we like it and still have hope it can get better

[grim token]

good rogue vs bad ranger=rogue win
good rogue vs good ranger= ranger win
good rogue vs mid ranger=ranger win

so no ur wrong, very unbalanced they have shotgun ffs

[hazy rain]

Funny seeing all the negative comments yet y'all will be back to playing it all the same when the maintenance is over, can you really call it a bad game then? xD Try and give constructive criticism and you'd be surprised to see work is being done, but its a slow process

[chrome roost]

gawek gawk sucky twisty HAWK PUTUH

[sullen hearth]

WHY DO THEY LIE AND SAY PATCH WILL TAKE 2 HOURS EACH TIME AND THEN EXTEND IT EACH TIME, DO THEY JUST NOT HAVE A BRAIN LOL?

[knotty kernel]

not at all, Rogue has similar movespeed and interaction to ranger. If rogue gets ontop the ranger it wins, and it has the stealth capabilities to do so.

[grim token]

ranger has a shotgun where they shoot 5 arrows, rogeu does fuckk all damage, if ranger is smart they walk backwards and abuse their better movespeed, its not even fair to call it matchup,

[cosmic swan]

That's exactly my point. Glad to see people who think like that

[knotty kernel]

Yes I can know that Heroin is bad for me and still be unable to fight my addiction to keep using it.

[grim token]

skill issue

[knotty kernel]

what do you mean better movespeed, its near the same. Both classes can reach movespeed cap with little investment.

[grim token]

no u justa ranger abuser

[chrome roost]

youre doing backflips and all type of tricks on the d for blacksmith right now

[cosmic swan]

Ranger? Same speed that a rogue? With less base agility and at least a -30 move speed weapon in hand?

[knotty kernel]

I'm a rogue main, I can't hit shit with ranger. Trust me I've tried, oh how I have wanted to play ranger back when rogue was complete garbage.

[grim token]

and yet here we are, i agree that its insane im decided to make them faster even after all that

[grim token]

mhmm and im a druid main

[hazy rain]

Movespeed should just not exist outside of skills. It would then make balancing ranged damages much easier and distance management would now be skill based rather than a gear check

[grim token]

exactly, i agree they should nerf ranger and buff rogue

[cosmic swan]

"Remove ranger"

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem

[grim token]

no just nerf its ammo economy, perhaps double it? so they consume arrows twice as fast

[hazy rain]

Lmao rogue does need a bit of help right now. I main cleric and everytime a Rogue got the drop on me I still won the fight with a few bonks to the dome

[cosmic swan]

Go for it dude

[knotty kernel]

I mean Im can solve this problem real easy, by just making you get a super huge debuff for not wearing any armor. There is no excuse for it being better to remove your clothes and run around naked in a gear based rpg. But this is the world you enter when you listen to people who want to remove gear diff.

[bold wolf]

Bro Rogue have the highest base movespeed of all classes and they can go invisible and get a 50% damage bonus coming out of hide so yes rangers are OP but only if they play smart and defensive and hit most of their shots.... If you just dodge well enough you can destroy rangers.

[grim token]

exactly, rogue need at minimum a 45% damage buff, a buff to thier stealth and double jump (some sort of viable weapon buff perhaps an innate improved backstab) and a gap closer, perhaps make double jump innate and turn the perk into a blink

[cosmic swan]

Well sry but they're getting on my nerv I better just stop writing, i'm being mean

[grim token]

ah yes cleric can both heal themselves to avoid damage so they are unkillable (WHILE WEARING PLATE) not to mention then use heavy weapons to one shot everything, we clearly must nerf this op ungodly class

[cosmic swan]

You guys should do the same and let them talk

[pearl bison]

Hello, I haven't played for months and i was wondering where the outdoor map 'ruins' is and what the plan is for that map? I hope it's not gone forever or smt

[knotty kernel]

Its not a one or the other, it is entierely a skill matchup a better rogue will beat a worse ranger and vice versa. Its just that the fight is usally decided before the first attack actually lands. Such as it is with classes that rely on positioning to win fights.

[grim token]

ranger abuser detected, opinion rejected

[cosmic swan]

We actually have no clue of what they're doing with it unfortunately

[bold wolf]

Bro what are you talking about???? I never said anything about clerics and I don't play that class often I mostly play rogue, ranger, fighter, warlock and barbarian....

[cosmic swan]

My dream for ruins would be that : #suggestion-discussion message

[grim token]

then why defend one of the most op classes i the game, its clearly op and needs a major nerf, perhaps a range nerf, increase in bullet drop, remove bullet curving, decrease hit reg and add a lot more damage fall off

[hazy rain]

Oh im totally for the Gear differential, the thing is Movespeed difference in PvP games, regardless of the medium has ALWAYS been a huge issue. It automatically becomes Meta in every single game to have even the slightest movespeed bonus you can. Take WoW, there were boot enchants for a slight movespeed increase that anyone in their right mind doing pvp must have. Conan exiles, some weapons had very high mobility and were completely scrapped after a while for being overpowered, not because of damage but the mobility it offered. I could go on but point is: Whether you realize it or not, Movespeed controls the fight and if you dont have the higher MS, you're severely disadvantaged, be it in a chase or running away and with distance management being as important as it is in this game... yeah.

[pearl bison]

Alright ty for your replies!

[bold wolf]

I think every class is viable but the issue is that the game is not balanced for solos but rather trios... And they probably can't balance it for solos without making trios unbalanced. I think it's pretty hard to balance this game simply because of what it is.

[grim token]

movespeed is almost alwsy the best stat, look at almost any game, from league of legends to ark movespeed is always important in pvp

[cosmic swan]

Np 👍

[grim token]

nope wrong, bad, you are not entitled to an opinion unless you have actually played the game

[hazy rain]

That is a little high but yeah, rogue is in a weird spot where their kit can be overpowered in certain situations or very weak in others. I do think they need to lean harder on the Hit and Run strategy with poisons, landing a hit or 2 out of stealth, rupture, maybe applying debuffs? Sadly all their damages are so very low right now and the poisons/rupture are mostly negligible. Drink a pot and you gucchi again

[rapid turtle]

let us innnnnnnnnnnnn

[bold wolf]

There is big time damage drop off at long range for rangers... It's like negative 30-40% damage at mid-far range. I've tested it and even just a few feet away is already 3 damage less than point blank. I think windlass crossbow should be removed from the game entirely that's for sure. If somebody is crazy good at playing ranger they are the same person that will Sh!t on you in every other bow/gun game in existence as well so get gud or get used to it my guy.

[knotty kernel]

I agree completely, this why I have always been infavor of removing Double jump and sprint from the game. Movespeed especially in a first person melee combat game like this is almost impossible to balance around. It turns the game into a weird kiting and manueverability match rather than one focused on aiming and dodging hits.

[grim token]

well ive already suggested some solution, just damage buff, a short range teleport dash enhanced invis and a better backstab, any 3 of those would fix it

[bold wolf]

Bruh I have played like 600 hours in the last 4 months....

[sleek valley]

HOW MUCH LONGER

[knotty kernel]

never

[grim token]

not enough needs to be double, no arrow should deal that much damage at that far range, and yea i agree crossbows have no place in this game at all whatsoveber

[hazy rain]

Aye. And one of the things I look at FIRST above anything else when selecting a piece of gear is the movespeed penalty. This is why I almost never play super tanky Cleric even if im frontline, simply because I can last much longer by managing my distance with higher MS than try to facetank/gearcheck my oponent.

[grim token]

im sure you have lil bro

[grim token]

exactly this is why the naked meta is fucked, just walk backwards with a long weapon and u cant lost

[hazy rain]

30% PDR 290+MS > 60% PDR 245MS by far

[bold wolf]

I'm one of the oldest ppl who play this game lil bro... I'm Bald... And I don't have cancer...

[hazy rain]

its also why the robe nerf is devastating to cleric whereas it was only meant to nerf wizards and warlocks i think

[grim token]

firstly, dont lie. secondly pretty sure u have to be at least 13 to play this game, so idk why u here

[grim token]

plate armour cleric still busted, move speed doesnt amtter if u cant die

[last stump]

chop chop can we get this game up lets go

[bold wolf]

I think the biggest issue with this game is the fact that unless you're running bis and or certain abilities you don't have very good move speed or action speed. I think some stats should be changed up and base stats should be improved. Fighters sprint should be nerfed and max move speed should be changed to 340 instead of 330

[hollow knoll]

Did they ever show the seasonal rewards for this season?

[hazy rain]

Getting 60% on cleric is alot harder than on fighter, and that is only balanced out by higher MR which, at this level of gear, will still tear a tank Cleric apart. If a Plate cleric is giving you issues, learn to kite better cause those are literally turtles 😂

[grim token]

i agree so many classes (espcially rogues) suffer from being to slow and clunky, i ebelive a 40% increase in action speed would rectify it (75% icnrease for rogues as they are weak)

[hazy rain]

read the patch note

[grim token]

not really just play well

[bold wolf]

bro stop wear so much negative move speed gear on rogue... fastest class in the game when fully naked...

[grim token]

and yet can be one shot by literally anything (even traps) and lets be honest rogues ttk is not fast enough for it to be viable

[digital dock]

Did they mention "quest based cosmetic rewards" in the past? If so i missed this, this would have been a huge motivator for me to dip into the game a little more often. Maybe its a new concept they decided to add in, either way its a good idea...but if it was already planned they should have let us know sooner!

[bold wolf]

I think that reaching 50% or higher PDR should come with an extra negative 5 move speed and PDR gear should have less projectile damage reduction and most gear should come with a small amount of base projectile damage reduction to help give a small nerf to rangers and fighters.

[grim token]

yea you could get the fire skelton from the secret quest in the shit ice solo map

[hazy rain]

If you arent looking to kite a PDR build, you either have another type of advantage (Like a pocket healer) or you're doing it wrong

[digital dock]

wow, i knew nothing about that. Thanks

[hazy rain]

Please elaborate, i have a feeling this is a troll

[digital dock]

he typed it with such confidence