suggestion-discussion

[wooden turret]

Oh yeah man, that’s what I’m thinking. Gets boring in a dead lobby just fighting PvE lol. I’d be down for this change, it’d definitely make the game where it needs to be in the right direction.

[jolly leaf]

Should take a look at that about the empty lobby, if this is true it is the main reason why lobby are empty : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/?order=trending&filter=allexceptdone&tag= (Don't forget to vote for it)

[wooden turret]

Perfect, thanks man!! I upvoted it for sure. Definitely a good thread to vote on. Let’s hope for the best, been playing since play test and really don’t want this game to die. It’s an awesome game I’ve been waiting for a long time. Hopefully the devs can take our suggestions and implement into the game.

[jolly leaf]

Happy to help, don't hesitate to do like me when you see people talking about empty lobby give them the link (And in general argue with people who just trash talk the game without coming with anything to improve it xD)

[wooden turret]

Yep for sure man, I got chu 😂

[wooden turret]

Strange they didn’t mention anything about that multi lobby thing from the devs, unless I just missed it.

[jolly leaf]

I remember hearing about something like that but a loooooooong time ago

[worn lava]

upgrade the drop rate of the wendigo claw and blue ice eyes normals and high roller they are none existent

[civic zodiac]

Stack luck it does help a lot

[jolly leaf]

What about they put back Ruin with red portal that lead to ice cavern or goblin cave? Like Ruin but snowy or with one or two module that are snowy. Or with a module where goblin have reached the surface and put up a camp?

If feel like GC and Ice cavern miss a Hell equivalent or could be one to a map like Ruin

[open rain]

"From what I understand, the drop rate remains at 1, regardless of how much luck you have, as it has the rarity of uncommon. At least that's what I understood from spellsandguns."

@strong grotto@delicate vine
You both dislike the idea of having Set-Bonus.
What is when the bonus is only for PvE?
Like:
2: 5% more damage against (beast/undead/demon)
4: 10 luck
6: monster in radius have less action speed by 5%
(Don't take the bonus seriously, only a example

Maybe the attributes can be in general be split by PvE and pvp.
The random attributes are for PvE and the attributes itself with are fixed like the AGI on laced turnshoes and the mag heal on occultist hood are for pvp.

[gilded ether]

Ruins could be 1st level of every other maps

[jolly leaf]

Yes but the problem is that when they did the Ruin -> Crypt -> Hell it was cool because new but a bit too much i think because you can't loot it all, the inventory is not made for that. And game were a bit too long, i like that they're a bit short. And i'm saying GC and Ice cavern miss a 1st or 2nd floor because they're is less way to have loot or even AP on those two map

[civic zodiac]

Weird when i run with my 300 luck bard i noticed an icrease in drop rate from wolf pelt. Might just be a constant coincidence

[open rain]

Remove the Ability to Search Players

This is not mine but I would like it:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491926/remove-the-ability-to-search-players

Btw saw lot of same suggestions

[torpid oasis]

add a option to que so you can get garunteed full lobbys

[jolly leaf]

You can start by that https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/551119/remove-the-multi-waiting-lobbies-system

I swear I spend my day spamming this link xD Everyone complain about empty lobby (and they're right about it) but blame the bad thing to cause it. If this multi lobby systeme is real then that split lobby more than Solo/Duo and GBMM combined

[hollow flicker]

Bring back multiclass till end of the wipe with nerfed Iron Will, nerfed Antimagic, and Nerfed Sprint

[jolly leaf]

Thats could be cool but I think it better to let the dev cook with the new system they have in mind they talked a bit about it in patchnote for hotfix 45 i guess

[hollow flicker]

MC is fun, and was the only content we had this wipe. It was wrong to pull it out.

[frigid current]

bad take

[hollow flicker]

cool story

[frigid current]

it's not even a suggestion

[hollow flicker]

The suggestion was literally right above it

[glacial sphinx]

I suggest not adding more classes after druid and first getting talent trees out there for all existing classes so the progression feels right.

Personally I think Sorcerer is not needed and can just be a wizard subclass or just a few talent choices focusing on damage. In my opinion it overlaps too much with what we already have and it is better to have Wizard and Warlock with more depth and spell choice.

[river flint]

they should have left MC in until they either have clear vision on what they want to do with this game or learn how to balance the game, imo i think its better that everyone can get the op perks and abilities that have not been nerfed properly than only some classes

[sand wasp]

me 5 years later still waiting for sorcerer It's my favorite class to play in DnD, just don't know how they would flavor it in this game

Agreed tho, would rather see more balancing and health updates first

[glacial sphinx]

I think the big thing differentiating sorc in dnd is the charisma casting stat, not sure how that critical aspect would transfer here. So I feel the difference wouldn't be enough unless it really played meaningfully different via a different casting system for example, that worked with warlock at least.

I do not think its a good idea to simply make one a utility caster and other the blaster. First of all because it would lead to destroying the current Wizard which is very fun, and second because I think the magic system as it is for Wizards is mainly interesting because you're weighing whether you want to bring damage or utility spells. Lastly, it makes the classes more one dimensional while I think we should be giving them more depth.

[jolly leaf]

They talked a bit about what they learned about this test with MC and what they'll do with it in the future (In the patchnote of hotfix 45). And I feel like they already have an idea of what to do with MC and maybe we'll get some new about it faster than we though.

I wonder what will be added with the next wipe/patch, any idea? Probably Druid but a new version of MC could be cool (since the beginning of the season this time)

[sand wasp]

I'd like to see cantrips added to the game like a lesser version of zap that never runs out so you don't have to rest after every mob. Maybe we'll see a first iteration with Sorc. Also would be cool to see Dragonborn race alongside a release of a dragonblood sorc? 👀

[frigid current]

how do you feel about MC with a limit of changing just 1 perk and 1 skill
i personally think it's a better method than skill tree

[plain radish]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/1csjpsn/dark_and_darkers_content_problem/

[jolly leaf]

That's some cool idea, maybe make a suggestion on the DnD website

[glacial sphinx]

I think the forge idea especially has potential

[chrome gale]

what if instead of magic dmg spellbooks gave knowledge and magic staffs give magic pen kinda like the maces do cause there slower. and crystal balls become the flat dmg maybe druid staffs become magic healing ones

[strange sluice]

i feel like there needs to be some comp for facing against hackers that later get banned. My trio played 3 games yesterday, lost like 30k each on kits (pretty much all my gold lol) then every trio we died to gets banned (triple ranger, triple warlock, one actual team comp)

[worldly bramble]

Any plan on making the barbarian look more chad, i got bigger arm then him

[faint belfry]

Yess, just needs polishing on a few thingss, pls devs add the button, it will make it so much easier to sell

[toxic forge]

Wizard will probably share a spell list with Sorcerer, with different perks & resources for spellcasting. Sorc should be much less technically challenging than all the new crap they had to make for druid.

[pine comet]

Sorcerer is going to take the majority of the damage spells from wizard and just become a dedicated magic dmg dealer whilst wizard gains more utility spells and becomes a support magic user that can do a bunch of random crap

[glacial sphinx]

This would be terrible for the game. It would simultaneously ruin the Wizard and defeat the purpose of spell selection within the magic system. There's no point choosing spells unless you can make meaningful choices between utility and damage.

[pine comet]

Well that’s what they said during a QnA if I remember correctly

[glacial sphinx]

They've said something along those lines a long time ago, but yeah hope their thoughts on the topic have evolved since

Imo they should go for the warlock approach and create a new type of casting and new spells altogether, maybe sharing a few with wizard if needed. They shouldn't gut a class to create another

[pine comet]

Being optimistic with these devs usually leads to disappointment

[toxic forge]

In D&D Sorcerer and Wizard have different resource pulls for their spells, and that'll probably be the same here. Wizard probably won't lose the damage spells, they'll just share parts (or all) of the spell pool between them. The perks & the resources spent on spells are most likely to be the big differences.

Sorcerer will probably have a steeper knowledge cost on spells and have a much harder time doing 10 spell like Wizard does. I wouldn't be surprised if they gave Sorcerer something metamagic so you can enhance damage spells at the cost of more resources.

Wizard = wide variety of spells, limited # of casts per spell

Sorcerer = limited spell selection, but can put more force behind individual spells

[tidal escarp]

I would love if they added a hell boss that wasn't just "You made a mistake, you're now dead/critically wounded so you're unable to continue the fight.". It takes you 10 minutes to get to the boss and you instantly die, it makes it a very unwelcoming experience. I know all bosses comfortably, but warlord is still a nightmare for most players. Why not just significantly lower boss damage in normals, but increase HP a bit to make the fights a little longer. Normals should be where you learn bosses, and Highroller is where you show off you've perfected them. But really it just lets casuals in, so many people I know don't do bossing and haven't beaten Ghost King or Lich, let alone Warlord.

Side note, I don't like the idea of any boss you can't beat the first time you see him with no outside information. I feel like it's bad game design that the game didn't give you the opportunity to win. (This is referring to Ghost King.)

[pine comet]

You can’t beat most enemies without any information on how they work…

[ivory quartz]

I think its good, makes the bosses a real challenge to have to overcome. They are also all designed to be fought as a party of 3.

[tidal escarp]

The highroller boss would be the challenge, they have a few more tricks up their sleeves that honestly feel like good additions after you feel comfortable with the norms variants. Just saying give them less damage so literal bad players can experience them.

[tardy coral]

i havent killed any of them before, however that's prob cause i mostly play duos and don't have a good trio. also I hate wasting time playing normals when i could be killing troll or farming ap on ice cavern lol
and i have 2k hours on this game lmao kinda sad

[sweet sorrel]

Also its not rewarding at all. I have killed like 80 hr bosses so far and we never got anything good nor decent. The time it takes for u to wipe lobby every game and then procceed to kill boss Just to get nothing is pretty sad. Obvs we skip warlord as most ppl do since we dont have a setup for it.

TLDR: its not worth killing the hr inferno bosses over like troll/cyclop or looting gold chests in inferno and probably its even better to loot gold/lion chests on any map rather than bossing

[strong grotto]

I'd be more than OK with PvE bonuses on gear in general. The gap between equipment tier is big enough already, when you add into account all the stat bonuses they have, then add the enchantment bonuses on top, you end up as we are - absolutely unbalanced PvP AND PvE situation, when some classes become absolutely unkillable. Maybe if swarmed, then they die. Warlocks will just ghost themselves out, though... The thing is, the game already prioritizes equipment possession over skill expression. Which is ALWAYS bad in any kind of game with PvP.

[limber sinew]

Well the prioritization of gear is due to the fact that gear is he primary driving factor to play the game, so you need to continue to make gear feel important to gather or setup while also tuning dmg to a point where skill expression is valued in a fight while also still respecting the power of gear

If gear feels like it has no value because the game is 80% skill then what’s the point in gathering good gear you know? That being said the gap between gear as it currently stands is obviously too large

[strong grotto]

There's a clear line between making gear IMPORTANT and OVER PRIORITIZED. I've already told many times here how to make the game loop with gear being balanced and important, but without being broken for PvP, if they really want to make the game a dungeon crawling multiplayer adventure, as they did at the start. If you are interested and don't want to look for the message - I can repeat it here.

[limber sinew]

Have you made a suggestion on the website? If you have I’d love to look at it and if I agree support it. I’m hopeful they actually look at the feedback from that location

[strong grotto]

No, it wasn't on their suggestion site. I have few suggestions there, but not this one. Because it was more like an idea, than an actual suggestion. Here's the link for it. TLDR is making gear desirable, while encouraging both PvP and PvE at the same time using gear score(!!!). HR can be also easily modified in that same way.
#suggestion-discussion message
And, if you are interested in my suggestions on site, then here is one:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/493924/melee-and-ranged-battle-system-improvement

[hollow quest]

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[spring urchin]

PLEASE FIX THE GAME CRASHES I HAVE A NEW PC AND THERE IS NO REASON WHY I SHOULD BE CRASHING AND ALSO FIX THE MOVE SPEED ON BARBARIANS IT'S LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO DO ANYTHING WHATSOEVER!

[topaz bolt]

wtf is this awful frame drop and lag crap going on??

[nova heath]

anyone know if they are still going to do the character progession with different aspects to select, or a system like tarkov, where running around increases your speed, sneakingg increases your sneak, and so on? just doing regular things for long enough increases those things?

[tidal escarp]

Though this is the worst way to ask.. Removing creep would be nice. It's just not fun to be third partied by a team that sneaks up on you. Should be a rogue exclusive and leaned into to pull the direction of Rogue away from invis.

[pseudo wolf]

bring back multiclassing

[forest tundra]

the test environment is literally unplayable at the moment, game crashes after boss fight

[vital helm]

add back the option to search a player through their character name, not just the universal name they made for their account makes impossible to sell/buy back kits.

[jolly leaf]

Who have right on this discord? Could it be possible to add the right to use 👍 and 👎 reaction on the #suggestion-discussion channel? <@&1019888848773328936> i guess?

[fading schooner]

Dude, have you played in the higher gear score (300+) lobby? It’s nuts. Nothing is cleared but the module a team spawns in. The lobbies are eerily quiet and everyone creeps everywhere. Everyone looks for a fight to their advantage, and if they don’t get that fight, they retreat to their spawn module, reset and creep again.

It makes higher gear lobbies incredibly frustrating and full of third parties.

[strong grotto]

They have already stated. that it will be (most likely) back, but in a better way.

[fringe bane]

multiclassing ruined the game change my mind

[mystic lion]

Are highroller entrance fees still high in the sky so that you have to play 24/7 to have a chance to actually rank up ??

[graceful frost]

Ppl don’t really play like that in higher tier lobbies, but creep needs to be removed

[strong grotto]

In the way it was TRIED - yes. It ruined it.
In the way it COULD be made - no. Multiclass could make it better. Anytime player receives more agency over his character is good.

[thorny thorn]

Remove some of the PVP multipliers (additional phys damage, additional magic damage, phys power, magic power, etc) and replace them with PVE multipliers ( undead dmg bonus, insect damage bonus, beast damage bonus) to ensure that every item does not become overpowered will still providing a little utility.

[soft nebula]

they should make named items for other rarities, like legendary and epic items, not as good as named, but cool rare drops we can still find even if not through bossing. example, (i dont expect other rarities for fulgot but) since fulgor does 20 magi dam at mythic, legendary scales to 10, and epic to 5, just an example of what i mean by scaling

[autumn fractal]

Hey guys, I really love this game very much but I think it could be even much more amazing than it already is. I am genuinely so enamored with this game that I just feel the need to share these suggestions. Thank you for having this place for that.

1.) The biggest thing I would like to see is an Attack and Defend game mode, which could be competitive AF! but I think that if you introduced this game mode, I would probably play this game constantly!

2.) The second thing is: the ability to set keybinds to spells/some way to bypass the radial menu. Not that it's a huge gripe, but I just like keybinds more. You might have a reason why not to do that idk, just my 2 cents.

3.) The last thing: The player body-clipping with monsters. Sometimes, as a rogue bunny-hopping constantly, I jump into a spot that gets me stuck between a monster and a wall, and it's just very frustrating when I am completely unable to move because of this. Perhaps a 2 second clip, and then no clip so I can move through the monster in such an event? I don't know the answer here.

Keep up the great work! Thank you for undertaking this much-needed project! Also I really want to kiss whoever is in charge of the map design so far. Huge win! Don't ever change!

Seriously I would pay for another support package for Team Attack and Defend game mode with this gameplay. hnnnghnghnghnghn

[soft nebula]

i agree with #3, getting stuck between monsters and sometimes not being able to do anything isnt difficult, its just not fun

[jolly leaf]

Try make this a suggestion on : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/ and post it here once a day or some it might get some vote and get picked by the dev ^^

[autumn fractal]

real af. I've died multiple times like this. sad moments.

[autumn fractal]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/555023/dd-counterstrike-basically-attack-and-defend-game-mode-would-be-huge-boost-to-pl

[jolly leaf]

Nice!

[worn mantle]

remove warlock

[naive thicket]

Creep should make a slight audio cue detectable within like 6-10 ft or so imo. This way you can use it but you also can’t walk up right behind someone and clobber them in the head.

[desert lodge]

Add a Connection Quality to the servers (Poor, Good, Excellent) to be able to see how well you connect to each server.
I know this will get flamed, but show a server population(Low, Medium, High) for those who aren’t excelling at PVP or those who want to find fights can choose higher population servers.

[tawdry jay]

When you are killed in High Roller it should tell you what or who you were killed by.

[sour osprey]

Make phantomize cooldown significantly longer in solos it makes warlock have such a small window of being killable, nerf the way that true damage scales on smaller weapons/projectiles/throwables, make it so hyrda can only heal for the amount you lost casting it, like if it takes 10% of your hp you can only get 10% back from it

[jolly leaf]

That may be too much nerf but the warlock do be really strong. Your idea for the hydra is interesting but maybe you could like make the hydra take double damage on warlock spell so it die faster and you can heal less on it (you can still get back full heal but it'll take longer)

[subtle prairie]

Biggest problem with this is that because warlock has a small hp pool u need to have some way to get hp back for ur spells and if u remove the healing you can get from hydra life drain the only viable playstyle will be TM. It might make warlock more balanced but then you won’t be able to experiment with warlock because TM will be so much better than any other build (more than it already is)

[jolly leaf]

In wich way does warlock have a small hp pool? He start with 14 vigor it's more than most other class no? (Only barb and fighter have more actually)

[subtle prairie]

Except for the fact that warlock starts with like 0 knowledge. U can’t invest in hp when you need to build for knowledge/ms/ magic damage in some form/ and then u can look for hp

[jolly leaf]

Yeah right but i feel like other damage class don't really go for hp too, so warlock don't have a lot of hp but he don't really have less than other

But yeah they might go for a bit of max hp when the warlock go for some knowledge

[subtle prairie]

I mean I feel like it’s night and day. When I build my warlock kits the max hp I can get to without sacrificing too much anywhere else is around 110-115. In comparison most Pdr fighters and barbs have at minimum 150+ hp. Granted those classes are built for it but when you take into account that warlock’s hp is a resource used for casting and that you are really never gonna be at 100% hp as a warlock when you take a hit warlocks are one of if not the most squishy in the game.

[jolly leaf]

I hear you but, there is rogue and ranger who are fast but more squishy. And warlock do heal with the spell so yeah it have low hp in the way you can get one/two shoted. But if you manage to temporize just a bit hit the healing spell with have virtually way more max hp. But i get that in this full speed barb meta warlock may feel squishy

[subtle prairie]

Yeah I hear what you are saying ( a lot of people are mad about warlock). The biggest thing is that warlock can reset their ho very quickly and the problem most people have when fighting a warlock is letting them reset and trying to fight when they are 50-75% hp and the warlock is 100% because they had the opportunity to reset. I think warlock needs some small changes to help balance but I don’t think that should be nerfs because as it is players that realize that letting a warlock run is the same as letting a warlock heal to full have a good chance if they keep the pressure on. Especially if it’s a hydra life drain warlock because they can’t move while healing like TM

[jolly leaf]

Ok ok you got me i'm convinced xD I may have seen to much spellbook warlock kitting and just eating your hp slowly (And the initial comment do have a great point, Phantomize is a really good asset)

[subtle prairie]

Yeah I get it. Playing against a warlock that just runs away can be super annoying because it feels unwinable but at the same time warlock can’t really play any other way rn. Phantomize might need a nerf to the cooldown but I hope they don’t make its attributes worse because against a rogue or a fighter with sprint they can just run after ur phantomize and there isn’t much u can do.

[warped lintel]

Are any game modes in suggestion or being looked at BESIDES the battle royale mode? Just curious. I think it would help the game life

[jolly leaf]

There is this one : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/555023/dd-counterstrike-basically-attack-and-defend-game-mode-would-be-huge-boost-to-pl that's recent, and also it seems that IM is working on an arena mode for maybe next patch (check sdf message in general channel like 4 day ago)

[warped lintel]

Heck yeah thanks!!! 😄

[jolly leaf]

You can try to look at the suggestions with the keyword game mode https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/search?q=game+mode but there is a lot of them and most of them may be old and asking for like the normal mod we have or the solo duo

[jolly leaf]

But imo right know we don't need new gamemode but more something like in this suggestions : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem

(It's a shame really this one should have 1k vote at least. People cry about "no new content" every day without proposing anything and when someone is doing it with good idea no one push the idea)

The suggestions was post on reddit too and in the comment a user named Virtual_jello_1001 made more exemple :
"A mystical chest: a super rare one of one chest that spawns on every map. The location of the chest is random and unknown but players are lead towards it by an icon on their compass and the chest emits a glowing sound to attract players to its location. The loot doesnt have to be crazy but a bit juicy to get players excited!

A treasure goblin: a treasure goblin mini boss that runs around the dungeon. Players are notified of his location by his psycopathic giggling and sounds of gold pieces hitting the floor of the gold pieces he leaves in his trail ( think diablo treasure goblin) if he isnt killed in time he will open a portal and dissapear.

A god shrine: a one time use random spawn special shrine that gives the player a God buff and makes them glow gold. (Nothing too OP maybe it gives you like +3 all attributes) the downside would be your location would then be visible to all players on the minimap and compass. And whoever kills you can pick up the buff"

Maybe there not all good too pick but it would be nice to a more interest point in our game

[warped lintel]

That is a really good idea

[silk birch]

Can we get a timer countdown instead of a percentage wheel when placing campfires?

[autumn fractal]

D&D Counter-Strike: basically Attack and Defend game mode would be huge boost to player base!
bump! https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/555023/dd-counterstrike-basically-attack-and-defend-game-mode-would-be-huge-boost-to-pl

[jolly leaf]

Yep, SO to the people who get them, the best we can do is vote for those suggestions and keep talking about them so more people saw them. Like when someone is saying "The game is dead, there is not content" send them thos link and talk with them about it

[autumn fractal]

best game ever!

Hey Dilo, I sent you a friend request, can I chat with you?

[jolly leaf]

Yes the game is awesome but people here and on reddit don't seem to see it that way. I don't get what they are expecting from a the game and a small dev team like that

[autumn fractal]

Maybe we can help :3

[olive oxide]

hello im suggesting to nerf bear traps.

Reason:
1.it can be place and overlapping with the corpses.
cant be interact. so you cant remove the trap , you cant also remove the trap once you step on it since it inside a corpses.

2. insane quantity.
   you could have 2 rangers with 20 traps making getting in a room almost impossible
   put it on a door? just jump over it ? just put another one in front of it now its imposible to jump.
   if you play a map with a closing zone like a crypt or goblin cave some room cant be ignore because of zone , making rushing some room is a must.

3. insane duration.
   some of the trap root you for 5 second maybe more

my suggestion.
just make the trap a skills with limit like caltrops. or breakable with a weapon attack
if you agree please upvote this.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/495047/bear-trap-improvement
or
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/479664/make-ranger-traps-a-skill

[somber notch]

Map: Get rid of the minimap as it favors experienced players over new ones. The minimap also reduces in game immersion. Add a map button. The player then has a brief animation followed by a larger map being displayed over their screen. They could still walk.

[somber notch]

Other players could then see a player holding a map; signaling that player may be unawares. The map would interact with lighting unlike the minimap. No longer would experienced players use the minimap to navigate pitch black (increasing immersion and a hardcore feeling) but instead rely on torch light to actually see the map in their hands

[somber notch]

This would increase immersion and the hardcore feeling Dark and Darker presents to new players. This would allow new interactions between players and their environment.

[prisma glen]

I think this is a great idea

[mild lichen]

New suggestion theirs something a bit similar, but I think they could implement this way easier https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/555332/body-decapitation-on-last-hit-that-kills-player-or-ai

[jade imp]

ran into my 3rd teaming group today. Getting really close to quitting with all the teaming and no way of handling this without recording my own gameplay.

[jolly leaf]

Yes I think a clip is needed to actually ban someone, only report are not enough. I guess you can use somethin like Geforce Exeperience to get a clip of the last X minute. And if i'm right amd have the same kind of thing

[jade imp]

I think ironmace needs to come up with a replay system of previous games.

[jolly leaf]

Yes it would be awesome but I guess it ask some more server or stuff like that and i'm not sure it's a priority right now. They're not a big team and there is more important stuff to add to the game right now imo, a replay systeme would be a good QOL addition tho

[jade imp]

Yeah, I'm just frustrated that I got teamed while my recording wasn't on so nothing will be done and it was blatant.

[fast thunder]

server no no good 😦

[tired ingot]

They need to force the pvp by making less portals and only in the end zones, I keep seeing 3 players running around with each other in solos

[jolly leaf]

Less portal is the easy way, i'll suggest putting more interest point stuff like in this suggestions : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem . It'll cause PvP and actually add something to the game

[jolly leaf]

Will less portable will just doomed people since the start. You may be a really good player and win your fight, if you are unlucky and your fight took a bit long because the ennemy was good too, people might don't have portal because none poped near them and they're all taken by people who just didn't fight at all but rushed portal as soon they hear them or got one spawned right in front of them

[tired ingot]

that's why I think they should only pop later in the map time and only in the circle. So when you are done with your fight you will have higher chances of finding one, there is always the last portal that spawns on the finally close

[tired ingot]

I do like the suggestions in that link too.

[jolly leaf]

Ok so not really less portal but more delayed one, ok why no that make more sense. But still think new content that force pvp would be more interresting

[jolly leaf]

Don't forget to vote for it. It was also posted on reddit and in the com someone (Virtual_Jello_1001) posted some more idea like :
"A mystical chest: a super rare one of one chest that spawns on every map. The location of the chest is random and unknown but players are lead towards it by an icon on their compass and the chest emits a glowing sound to attract players to its location. The loot doesnt have to be crazy but a bit juicy to get players excited!

A treasure goblin: a treasure goblin mini boss that runs around the dungeon. Players are notified of his location by his psycopathic giggling and sounds of gold pieces hitting the floor of the gold pieces he leaves in his trail ( think diablo treasure goblin) if he isnt killed in time he will open a portal and dissapear.

A god shrine: a one time use random spawn special shrine that gives the player a God buff and makes them glow gold. (Nothing too OP maybe it gives you like +3 all attributes) the downside would be your location would then be visible to all players on the minimap and compass. And whoever kills you can pick up the buff"

[autumn fractal]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/555023/dd-counterstrike-basically-attack-and-defend-game-mode-would-be-huge-boost-to-pl

[hidden hemlock]

dumb idea and super gimmicky but what if IronMace implemented event weekends/days to increase player count during smaller times? Ex: Double AP/Merchant Gold/Luck week or something

[cold igloo]

Can I suggest that there is never a quest to "take no damage" in a dungeon ever again. I'm literally afk watching videos while sitting on the outside of the ring. I am forced to not play the game, it's not fun.

[cold igloo]

If I had to suggest an improvement maybe "take no arrow shots" or something more niche that I can still pvp or pve. This take no damage quest is boring and doesn't improve the gameplay, it instead forces me not to play

[nimble igloo]

Warlock should have a curse of exhaustion spell to slow enemies chasing them.

[tulip venture]

Curse of weakness does that

[jolly leaf]

Yep

[tulip venture]

Not by a lot but it’s 25% of their agility

[jolly leaf]

It's ok, it work better on people who are fast and thats what you want actually no?

[nimble igloo]

base agility

[jolly leaf]

Base agi only? Really?

[nimble igloo]

yeah it's not much at all

for a short range spell that you move slower to charge up and cast

[jolly leaf]

Ok i'll try to check that in game, most of the time the wiki give that kind of detail but theyre is nothing about that

[nimble igloo]

because nobody uses it. Wasted spell slot

[tight ledge]

Can cleric get a ranged spell? A guiding bolt variant?

[jolly leaf]

Maybe the next multiclassing system will allow that

[glacial sphinx]

imo we dont need more classes with ranged capabilities

[jolly leaf]

Too bad the next one are druid and sorcerer xd

[uncut minnow]

how to fix my game turn to so darkkkkkkkkk

[orchid remnant]

change Shadow Quality to epic and restart the game

[jolly leaf]

"Turn your shadows to epic. Restart the game. Switch back to normal settings."

[warm pumice]

petito to add an auto accept quest system i hate selecting all of my quests

[jolly leaf]

Yeah a quest tab

[warm pumice]

im tired of clicking through windows

[lunar solstice]

(I have been doing 12 runs consecutively to get warlord and we couldn't)

[paper apex]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/555576/make-ranger-traps-a-skill-similar-to-caltrops

[lunar solstice]

Voting to which boss-map will it be in the lobby, the PVP wining team has a higher chance of getting the map they voted.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/555578/voting-boss-maps

[weary oasis]

make clerics holy strike and bards piercing shrill make computer volume go to 0 for the duration of the deafen

[grand meteor]

change shield slam to allow it to be used while blocking / as a combo after attack

[jolly leaf]

And make that it count as a "Defensive stance" when you use it so you get the buff from the perk like Barricade and Shield Mastery

[autumn fractal]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/555023/dd-counterstrike-basically-attack-and-defend-game-mode-would-be-huge-boost-to-pl

[mellow jackal]

it does count as a defensive stance

[hardy vector]

nerf surv bow

[jolly leaf]

I've tried it like 2 day ago, you don't get the bonus armor of barricade or bonus move speed of shield mastery while in the animation of Shield Slam. So no it doesn't. What you do get is the +10% action speed and move speed for 3 sec after a block from the other perk. But you don't get the 10% move speed while in defensive stance or the 50% action speed after a block of the shield mastery perk. So no it does not, using shield slam does not give you the defensive stance when you use it

[worn lava]

idk but I've come to hate seeing 5 spell slots i wish it was 6 instead there is always a feeling when using overload if only i had 1 more spell so i think you guys should test it before adding it to live server i think its worth yall time find out if it would be a permanent change worth having see if its a balanced change also see if raising the default knowledge alongside it would also be balanced

[delicate vine]

Nerf range overall
Nerf warlock
Nerf Iron Will
Buff drop rate in HR loot pile
Add Gear limit to green for normal (with jewelry not allowed in norms)
Nerf buff stacking (player can't cumulate more than 6/7 buff for example)
Rework map rotation (good idea bad execution, being able to create empty lobbies easily is problematic for the game health)
Buff drop rate on higher GBMM tier lobby
Release deep frost map
Release druid
Release epic
Release steam
Market game

That's all you guys have to do to revitalize the game

[mild lichen]

New map idea hope the community likes it https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/555663/new-map

[gusty lily]

Suggestion: stop the rotation - game feels empty - people abuse the system to get into empty lobbies

[jolly leaf]

It's not map rotation or gbmm who create the empty lobby issue, this is : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/551119/remove-the-multi-waiting-lobbies-system. But IM told us that a new matchmaking that, I think, will solve the issue of empty lobby

[tulip venture]

Not a bad idea an Anubis boss could be cool too, another map would probably be too much at this point in time though

[jolly leaf]

I have the same though I commented it on the post

[versed swift]

Everything they did caused more problems they wont solve anything my guy

[ripe turtle]

Creep should be only for solo players who are against duos and trios. <

[sharp wave]

Don't know if its been said before, but would a way to save a playback be possible? I think it would help a bunch with reporting cheaters if we had an in-game way to save a recording without having to open a different program to record

[jolly leaf]

It would be cool but I guess it's expensive for IM, because i guess it ask some more server to stock the record etc

[mild lichen]

I 100% agree, but it be a cool addition down the line.

[worn lava]

What if you guys take away throwables completely and for barbarians and fighters they could have the throwable axes but instead of it going in the hot bar it's a skill You could put an end to people stashing them and having a bunch in a game. Just an idea a different approach to throwables

[signal vine]

Let Lizards/new race skins have the ability to stick to walls. - I saw the druids panther will be able to jump off of walls so i thought this could be done similar to a character race. Of course taking any damage will result in falling off the wall, even just getting hit with a torch.

[signal vine]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/555869/a-race-that-sticks-to-walls

[jolly leaf]

Put back Ruins and make it a first floor map that lead to Goblin Cave. Maybe with like a middle module on Ruins where goblin have reached the surface and put up a camp with a Hobgolin mini boss (Maybe a a bigger/harder module than usual, with 2 floor, like there is in GC, i don't remember Ruins having a lot of outside/underground module) ? With a fix acces to GC that you can take early if you manage to clear the room and allow you to start in the 2nd floor with a head start of like 1 min compared to the other. That could result in a HR version of GC like Hell for crypt with way more nightmare goblin. 3x3 map of GC already exist too (Even if imo the two boss + middle room if they both dead should stay even on a small map)

[worn lava]

fix the goblin archers they are the only ones ive noticed able to curve an arrow with the bow pointed in another direction then the arrow is heading

[jolly leaf]

That may be on purpose? If they don't do that their just weaker than every other kind of archer

[neon meadow]

Ruins isn't capable of functioning as a first floor. The map is small and the way going down needs to change

[jolly leaf]

Is it small? Wasn't it a 5x5 like the other now? Maybe it was 4x4 i don't remember well

Edit : it is 5x5 like crypt and the other. How is it small ?

[jolly leaf]

What do you mean the way to go down need to change? Any suggestions? (I did one in my message)

[neon meadow]

Yes, a champion or mini troll boss or something to that effect that is in an uncheeseable room and it's whole purpose is killing it will open an early down portal. Points of interest

[neon meadow]

Because to have people actually go down as intended you will need to be able to house 30+ players on the first floor. Which ruins cannot do

[jolly leaf]

Yes that would be cool, still need to choose if it close back after the team who killed the mini boss pass it or no

[neon meadow]

Just give it 3 uses. It doesn't need to be more than that

[jolly leaf]

But the issues is the same with crypt for you then?

[neon meadow]

No, as crypts is large enough to be a 2nd floor. Too small to be a first

[jolly leaf]

Sry but i don't get it. My take is Ruins (5x5, like Crypt) -> red portal or some -> Small GC (3x3, like Hell). What's the difference between Crypt and Ruins. English is not my 1 language sry

[neon meadow]

I don't understand what your attempting to get at.

Ruins was supposed to be a first floor, it fails at that task for the reasons I stated.

Crypts was always the second floor, it is currently the first floor only because ruins failed at that task

[jolly leaf]

Oh ok, I get it now sry. So make Ruins 6x6 modules or something like that?

[jolly leaf]

And in the same way, for you Hell as a second floor right now is too small?

[neon meadow]

No, that wouldn't be enough. Ruins would have to be completely rebuilt in order house 30 players and would need layers on the map

[neon meadow]

No, hell is fine as it is supposed to be the third floor. Too small to be a 2nd floor, but that wasn't it's intention

[jolly leaf]

Yes, ok i got your point. Maybe their too small, I don't feel that way but I understand that you can feel that way

[neon meadow]

In order for people to use 3 layers of a map. You need more people. As it stands there aren't enough to last all 3 floors and still see ppl on the third. Generally when we've had 3 layer maps. We get no one past the 2nd layer. Too much loot and dmg have already been acquired to go down again. Just makes more sense to get out

[jolly leaf]

Yes maybe some change to the inventory systeme would help about that. Like a way to "save" a few item will the waiting time between floor. So our inventory won't be full that fast

[neon meadow]

I disagree with that notion. I don't think item management should change from it's current form

[stoic cloak]

ITEM SUGGESTION:

ARMOR OF BARTUS THE BLODDY
::::PLATE ARMOR:::::
Special Ability : Once Equipped the armor cannot be removed. While Worn the armor makes the wearer Permament Demon Form.
-5 Random Stat Rolls

What does it drop from? The Demon King Bartus

[fathom stump]

Add fishing, angler merchant, fishing quests

[jolly leaf]

Fishing ❤️

[worn lava]

that's not physically possible yes it is possible to curve an arrow when shooting it but not possible to shot to the right of you when your aiming in front of you goblins are suppose to be weaker in every other game anime book almost all goblins are weaker then other races and weaker opponent to fight

[jolly leaf]

Yes that's true for goblin they're supposed to be week. And for the "not physically possible" i understand but that won't be the first thing you can do in DnD that like that like I mean, if you make a big slide with you mouse at the end of the spear thrust (the 1st hit) you can hit multiple ennemie with it. Or you can spin at the very end of a war maul hit to hit 360° around you. Yes it may be physically possible for some move but it's still not logical at all

[faint belfry]

DAY 4 OF ASKING FOR A BUTTON SO U CAN SEARCH FOR AN ITEM WITH THE SAME PERKS IN THE MARKET WITH JUST ONE CLICK (For example im trying to sell a bow with armor pen and power bonus, so i click "SEARCH IN MARKET", and it takes me to the people selling the same item)

[jolly leaf]

Thats actually a good idea, and it seem they're focusing on QoL before the wipe. Try making a suggestion on the website : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem

More QoL would be really cool on the game, but in the same time I feel like their is so much more important stuff to do

[worn lava]

a spear a war maul are very different then a bow

[vestal dagger]

give hydra a 10-15 second cooldown, thoughts?

[jolly leaf]

Yes, I agree with you it should not be possible. But it wont be the first thing to be that way, and it a fantasy game maybe they are air bender goblin and can curve arrow xD

[faint belfry]

Thanks bro, ill write it up

[jolly leaf]

Np 👍

[faint belfry]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/556098/marketplace-add-search-in-market-button UPVOTE FOR A BUTTON OF "SEARCH IN MARKET" (Sry if this is not the place for this)

[jolly leaf]

Don't worry it totally is the good place

[sick cloud]

rogue buff, tofues get enchanced double jump, a built in backstab multplyer and rope darts

[chrome gale]

Make magic staffs have magic pen like maces make spellbooks no longer scale with damage but scale with knowledge give epic and higher spellbooks a random spell to cast with right click that can be from other classes

[coral heron]

I'm not liking how after the craziness that was multi classing, they aren't extending the season by the same ammount of time multi classing was out. If you had a life and couldn't realy multi class, you couldn't survive hr, thus rewarding the lifeless and punishing the rest. They extended last season by 2 weeks, a noble endeavor, I feel like the same should happen this season.

[errant path]

Let us click and drag the Spells/Songs into place in the "Music/Spell Memory Priority" section letting us rearrange the priority without the pain of replacing each one to fix priority

[old patio]

fix ranger blank shots and stop throwing on these updats....

[peak lantern]

use your test servers, maybe ?!

[karmic sage]

guys did you know that you have a shitty ass payment model where you take money for a test server in a game people already paid for, maybe at least use it to test stuff to prevent game breaking bugs and bad balance changes every update, friendly reminder

[inland fiber]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/556120/storage-items-tarkov-hideout What do you guys think

[zealous cipher]

Hey devs, I have a breakthrough idea. I think that the test servers would be a great place to do testing.

[gusty bison]

Need an accept all quest button, it is quite annoying to have to go through every merchant every time you make a new character.

[winged tide]

This game needs cantrips for the spellcasting classes designed to help them navigate the dungeon and clear mobs while being ineffective against enemy players in comparison to your actual spells. Like they might do tickle damage but would be more effective than a Wizard trying to use a quarterstaff against a Barbarian.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/556173/game-needs-cantrips

[ripe turtle]

Would it be cool to have different colors for classes like in wow?

[jolly leaf]

In what way? The name in marketplace and stuff like that?

[ripe turtle]

like in chat you see different names with different colors in their nameplate, just like in world of warcraft. have you played it?

[jolly leaf]

Oh yeah sry, I didn't played since the hotfix but they've added the in game chat right?

[ripe turtle]

#📢announcements it's all in there

[jolly leaf]

Yes I know it's just that people talked a lot about the goblin recovery and inventory so i forgot about the text chat

So how does it work? You can talk with everyone while in game? Or only in pre lobby? Is it like voip only with people near you?

[cold magnet]

Ima need sms notifications for the announcements tab fs

[hardy night]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto for the love oif god...do something about the cheatewrs...if you care about this game at all...then ban them/put some better anticheat in...this game is dyying above all else because of cheaters...or at the very least...put some way for us to send recordings in so we can show you them blatantly cheating...i used to see very often the messages saying someone wwas banned that i reported...im not seeing it so much anymore...so please get back to banning people,...

[jolly leaf]

Graysun talked about that a few day ago : #the-tavern message , seem that they're working on it and are aware that it's a big issues. The problem is that it ask for a lot of ressource to "solve" it. No game ever really solve the cheating issue, but I think that a system like Counter Strike where other player are a part of the ban system could be a good idea. I'm sure people would be glad to help IM solve the issue

[hardy night]

thats cool and all...but something needs to be done...its beyond rampant at this point...

like i had said at the very least...a way we can send in clips of it to help deal with it...

[jolly leaf]

I never played CS but i hears about the report system in the game. If you want you can look how it work and make a suggestion here : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem

[jolly leaf]

Well you can send clip that you make in mp to @stiff edge or with the #discord-help channel

It used to be a #report-a-bug channel and #1044750550559883384-report but it seems that they removed them today. They probably fused them in one channel as #discord-help

[rugged basin]

Let all classes use any weapon but at a -20-25% physical damage penalty, and have the fighter perk reduce that to -5-10% penalty

[maiden tinsel]

Remove the minimum latency outta the svs, most of my friends are from SA, I moved out and I'm in europe now, so we play in NA.
But one of them can't play in there, so we literally can't play together anymore, even tho we were fine with 100-150 ping in NA...

[winter panther]

demon form is already permanent

[soft nebula]

still wish theyd make hell a little easier TIME and PORTAL wise, if theres pvp, no boss, if theres boss + pvp, chances are no escape for some of your team depending on final circle, they should give 2 more minutes, one more portal, and place portals in more accessible places, i know it makes it easier but sometimes bad luck with portals in hell is super frustrating

[steep cape]

add previous seasonal rank rewards to shop to new seasons for purchase with either blue/red essence for people who didnt play before or dont wanne grind the torturous rank system

[sour schooner]

If the rotation timer switches to the next dungeon, the lobbies for the previous dungeon should start immediately. No one can join those lobbies after the rotation and the players have to wait for 2.5 mins for nothing

[trim valley]

does anyone know what changes they made to the inventory system, i literally cant tell whats different

[jolly leaf]

Ok but that way you could join only at 0.1 sec left in hope to get an empty lobby and abuse this system

[jolly leaf]

#q-and-a message

[sour schooner]

I mean you could do that anyway, and what are the chances the last lobby filled right before you join? Usually there's a few stragglers

[wind bay]

The bug report button is gone?

[brazen gyro]

true

i got some one in dungeon shoots with crossbow infinitely with no reload

[delicate bone]

https://medal.tv/clips/2eY2P2Q4bv8juF/vpKlNOaEs?invite=cr-MSxYNG8sMjA3MTExNDcwLA

[soft nebula]

can we please give SOME advantage to whoever is in the loot pile room for torll or cyclops, i kill boss and suddenly if anyone decides to push me theyre granted with high ground AND more space to kite which is complete and utter bullshit

[jade pawn]

Turn normal mode into self found gear so that we can build up gear we find to use and risk instead of only ever using white base gear at the start of every match.

[civic zodiac]

i do hope when the game will be very popular they add a self found mode. im hoping for it since day 1 the gameplay would be so much better for my taste. having a/h gear all the time just dont feel the same

[jade pawn]

Yeah exactly have a mode that doesn’t rely on buying perfect sets of gear from AH but still allows you to find and reuse items you find

[civic zodiac]

would make a good balance between pvp/pve. decision you make in the dungeon will have way more impact

[jade pawn]

Brings back the excitement of finding a decent item which is somewhat lost now with how many items you can easily buy on AH

[pliant dagger]

Gear score is now displayed around your inventory.
GBMM is now calculated based on the party's highest gear score.
GBMM can now be turned off in regions with too few players.

Oh finally the dev listen I was the first one to speak about this to balance things out 1.5 years later they finally understood what it take to make this game good

[lament marsh]

GBMM is just a bunch of people spending time in excel on a spreadsheet so they can get 299 score before going into a match.

[lament marsh]

If they want to keep it, i'd drop to 199. But personally I'd prefer a more skill/extraction based system.

[hoary mortar]

im in with 988 score rn

[timid jewel]

I suggest putting the Apply button to the Options while you're in-game, so that when you reset people's inverted mouse settings, they can actually change them back.

[lament marsh]

@hoary mortar I don't have the gear for that 🤣

[hoary mortar]

its not worth it, i have half uniqure and artifact kit and a rogue with 330 move speed and mag power is going to beat me

[lament marsh]

I'd also scrap the lobby, it gets old fast

[coral heron]

so the pick pocket bug is back, nice rogue showed me but didnt keep any of it XDXDXD thanks red liz man!

[jolly leaf]

Try to clip and report it if it happen again. #report-a-bug #discord-help

[coral heron]

will do

[supple bluff]

dearest developers please allow us to react to messages in discord

[glacial sphinx]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/556563/delay-the-season-and-take-some-time-off-ironmace
Legit i think they need this more than anything atm

[jolly leaf]

At least with 👍 and 👎 for the suggestions channel

[supple bluff]

thank you ironmace devs

[cold frigate]

Love the game, but this is two very very frustrating days in a row of honestly poor decisions from leadership. The biggest gripe right now, IMO, that is justified is 1-2 weeks to unlock cosmetics. These could have been teased even if only one was ready to build hype, but that did not happen. Now after giving everyone a stressful time crunch to earn cosmetics, there have been several issues preventing people from playing. Unacceptable. Extend the time to earn cosmetics for quest/season. That is the only way to rebuild any good will

[compact nebula]

i aggreee

[jolly leaf]

They did tease about it (not in the best way but they did) : #the-tavern message they've talked about it in general chat since a week or 2 ago

#the-tavern message

[coral heron]

With all the BS of this season, we need a month extension!

[cold frigate]

yeah that does not have enough visibility to count. Put it in the launcher/game or it doesn't matter. Give more than 2 weeks notice for potentially once in a lifetime rewards, or people will be understandably upset

[jagged cargo]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto You guys need to add time to this season. Multiclassins was a flop, ruining the experience for a good amount of time. Tones and tones of patch and rematch setbacks and delays. Also people didn't know what to grind for untill yesterday, and most didnt know the season was going due to no counter... So considering all this, please add 4 weeks so we can actually enjoy the seasons content.

[cold frigate]

loved multiclassing, but we need more time. that is the only acceptable path forward

the rewards are dope, well done. let us loyal ones have the chance to enjoy them!

[nocturne phoenix]

I suggest you sell the game to a more capable company, you clearly are way out of your depth

[river ermine]

make abilities that are consumed upon use refresh upon loading into the dungeon. For too long my friends and I have fat fingered second wind in the lobby only to lose out on it in the actual raid, granted its a rookie move but still no reason that it should make you lose out on the ability like that

[formal valve]

agreeed

[formal valve]

i like this suggestion

[open rain]

Remove the Ability to Search Players

This is not mine but I would like it:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491926/remove-the-ability-to-search-players

Btw saw lot of same suggestions

Set-Bonus:
One could add a bonus to both existing and new armors that, when combined as a set, provide additional benefits. For example, with the Golden Armor set:

2 pieces: +10 luck
4 pieces: No need for lockpicks
6 pieces: +2 to all attributes

Black Armor set:
2 pieces: +2% movement speed
4 pieces: +10% curse duration

And so on. This would make farming and crafting more enjoyable.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/553501/setbonus

[jolly leaf]

For the ability to search other player, they annouced that a new matchmaking system will be added within the next wipe. And it will remove the pre lobby, so no more searching.

An for the armor set we people already had a talk about it few week ago, that's how I feel about it : #suggestion-discussion message

[limber elbow]

This game used to focus entirely on melee weapons, but since its official launch, ranged weapons are the only things people focus on using, even though damage reduction or equipment throwing time is almost The game only uses bows and spells, this game should be changed from dark and darker to bows and spells

[azure bison]

@sdf @Graysun @shoXy @Anti-Cheat Support - announcement soon ? 📢📢📢

[pale osprey]

🇷 🇪 🇸 🇹

[supple bluff]

suggestion: allow rogues to block/parry

[mortal slate]

I think that @gilded vale

[chrome gale]

Change test server to fix bug where smashing anything deletes what is inside it currently no pots boxes or barrels drop loot also if you play the barbarian or druid when you smash a chest the loot is deleted please fix this small quality of life issue for test server and ill gladly play alot more also i noticed occasional bugs where fart and fire would one shot you and I noticed when speed filling my pots it no longer only fills the potions i used but attaches all to belt pls fix these

[final talon]

Key binding exists…

[river ermine]

Yes that is true;however, essentially anywhere convenient to hit in the heat of a fight is easy to fat finger if you are just messing around in the lobby like my friends and I like to do, and I don’t see how it would hurt anything to just full restore player characters abilities when they load into the dungeon

[azure bison]

@dawn grotto Would absolutely love if you removed creep and just kept it within rogue as a perk, added more locations to maps , bigger variety of foes and i was also thinking of friendly mobs that would for example give you buffs or offer you something for something like villagers in minecraft. And i think when i say this i speak for majority of players , we need ruins back , it was without a doubt best map in the game. We understand that its hard to do so many things in short time but if you lay down unnecessary promises about patches that are coming in the future you will have much more time for things that are important.

[hoary flint]

DUDE USE 0 OR , when rebinding your skill. took me one game as a ranger to figure out that i needed to switch my field ration to a diffrent key. theres no way you are smashing every key in pregame lobby. if you are thats a skill issue that you guys have alone

lmao the one fix that would help. you want them to actually recode the game cuz you cant figure out how to rebind and relearn a skills key.

[azure bison]

@Graysun since you are the only one thats online from devs , could you please tell us estimate time when we will get announcement

[jolly leaf]

#the-tavern message That was like 1 hour ago

[scarlet fulcrum]

Remove gaining AP from empty lobbies. AP Grind means nothing if you can earn AP on Empty lobbies.

[narrow tree]

I got a highdea guys, what if they just revamp the level/skill/armor system entirely and replicate runescapes leveling model with a base character who can choose to level their magic level, healthpoints, range, and/or melle depending on how much they play to develop that class. armor is all flat based on the rarity just like how there is bronze, iron, addy, mithril, etc and is wearable/unlockable when they level up their hp for armor and the skill class (range, melle, and mage) for the stronger weapon types. I think this could allow a healthier merge of "multiclass" while allowing people to choose the flavor that they like in theory. Also I think it would be cool to change the questing system to make it more immersive with the dungeons like running into a random roaming goblin merchant in the goblin cave that talks to you and sells you good gear at a high price so it incentivizes people to bring tons of gold for even spicier pvp interactions. Or the tavern master merchant in the tavern loading lobby etc. Once again, just a highdea and Im open to constructive criticism

Also I recommend that we replicate the discussion thread of the test-server-feedback channel as its broken up into thread posts which incentivize highlighting the most popular/discussed suggestions based on the community response/interaction to the suggestion.

[cunning yacht]

They should start making lore and add on to some of the story's in there quests

[narrow tree]

lore W

[burnt trout]

this should be easy to patch in and im not the only one who would love it,right? https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/556724/offline-coop-that-resets-you-after-extract seen the suggestion a few times but not with the foucs on the reset and being able to test gear/builds on mobs/players without having to bring it into a real raid. kinda like tarkov did it

[narrow tree]

I suggest that we do a tournament similar to what Soapy is trying to do but instead of gatekeeping the entire DaD community and only allowing steamer/twitch partners to enter we will allow ALL players to enter and replicate the success that fortnite, halo, and other games bring in to further grow and benifit the ENTIRE community and not just help content creation for select individuals. I personally have no interest in the current gatekept tournament today. If we allow the ability for anyone to participate this will not only attract the verteran players to return but for new players to also participate and test their merit and positively impact the entire community as a WHOLE. We would be able to create a larger cash prize pool and having the entire community engaged.

[jolly leaf]

#the-tavern message It's on the list

[narrow tree]

"when we can" isnt promising as they still have many things on the backburner, we could literally get our own tournament up for ALL of DaD community and have a $1 entry per person or whatever, its not difficult if we do it ourselves. I just dont see how a gatekept tourny that was supposed to happen today would have benifited any of us in the community other than just the gatekeepers getting more content to put out which we would not be able to relate to

If I was a new prospect and came across a gatekept tournament I would just skip it, if it was something that I could access and tell about to my friends to join then I am more likely to want to see what its about and potentially dive in.

[regal trench]

herbal leaf is cooking

[quaint zephyr]

The nerf at Wizard is totally immotivated , now we lose the only metod to clear mobs , gg

[pine comet]

If magic missle is the only way you are able to clear mobs I think you need to start learning how to play

[sullen wolf]

put spiders in pots like the skeles in barrels

[coral heron]

@dawn grotto @keen onyx thank you guys for working tirelessly these last 2 days.

Only potential sugestion is extend ranked season to end same day as whipe, give us an extra week please 🙏

[worn lava]

make some wiz skeletons we can use for a race that give magical power or some other different race that gives wiz some damage frost skeleton got that 1 weapon damage so magic classes should get a race that gives damage

[queen vector]

Are you guys able to make scaling on abilities different when they are used against PvE(Monster AI) and PvP(Other players)?
Example: Wizard's Magic Missle has 100% scaling against PvE, but only 75% scaling against PvP(other players). I'm sure there are many other abilities that would benefit from this and would help balance.

Can Explosive Bottles have their damage brought back up based on their rarity please? When I was reading the patch notes on their nerf, I was surprised that their damage was scaling. Not having their damage scale was the correct adjustment, but nerfing their base damage was too much and they are worthless now.

Lastly, could you start utilizing polls and questionnaires when making some changes please? I think the vast majority of the players would like to see Creep removed so that it is a rogue-only thing.

[limber elbow]

Sitting to rest or placing a campfire cannot arrange items in the stash, the auto-fill feature to automatically change to health potions or other bandages has also been removed, Ironmace really wants this game to be a dead game.

[unborn wren]

There needs to be some kind of cooldown on heals or make them less effective the more they're being used. Feels impossible to beat an enemy constantly being healed if you don't also have a healer. Maybe they could add a page from league of legend's book with the Grievous Wounds that players can use a throwable splash potion or coat their weapon in it or something that makes healing less effective if someone has the effect on them

[supple bluff]

• parry for rapier
• regenerate second wind via rest and not solely campfire to help noobs
• give more items to classes with the squire (warlock should have crystal sword and dagger and shield; fighter more variety 1h and 2hs; etc.)

[tight ledge]

I saw an idea on Reddit for instead of multiclassing doing subclasses like real dnd. Take the idea of multiclassing but make it not so broken. Like light domain cleric giving him access to zap and fireball. Or blade singer wizard gives the access to rapier and rapier mastery and some medium armor.

[coral heron]

Quests and vendor rep should be account wide. also there should be an account stash you gain access to at 30 that all characters can use.

[jolly leaf]

It's probably what IM is going to do for the next version of mc, based on the few info we have (and on the fact that it's what the majority of people asked)

[jolly leaf]

Lot of people ask for that but ilm not sure it's a good idea. Well it depend, for people who play a lot that mean even less content and thing to do, for people who can't play every day it would be awesome

[final talon]

@dawn grotto @keen onyx idea!! Can we get some jumping puzzles implemented to be able to reach certain spots with higher loot

[jolly leaf]

Maybe something in between would be better

[peak fable]

IMO rank rewards should be awarded on highest rank reached per season not what rank the season ended on, so people can enjoy playing without the fear of losing ranks

[fresh plinth]

Rapier looks like a small sword

[cerulean spruce]

Can we get a boss practice arena like its so irritating to try and practice a boss.

[sour sandal]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[daring spire]

This would be baller.

I think the spear should be available class wide. As in terms of use it is the simplest and easiest to weapon to master. Throughout history it's easy to teach, easy to use, and easy to mass produce. You can also implement other spear type weapons like a trident, javelin (throwing), one handed spear and shield, and a pitchfork would be funny.

And yes I fell in love with spear rouge and I'm not ready to part with it.

[strong grotto]

I don't know... I kind of agree with the idea, but not for 100%... Because while it is bad in PvP to be simply outhealed, sure, it is still crucial for PvE. The only way I can see it being implemented is to make that after you have been hit by PLAYER - you will receive such a debuff for the instance of magical healing applied consequently in 10 seconds. So only your first magicall healing effect would have 100% effectiveness.

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to victim (rework hide)

[jovial tinsel]

Sdf hates rogue class and wish he never added it. He spends most of his time on Reddit selecting confirmation bias posts and then makes a balance change

[proper shadow]

I have a suggestion for player kills AP amount. I think a very simple way to handle it would be to make player kills worth 40% of the killed players gear score. Nice and easy, not to crazy to the point that no one will loot and just try to kill players and leave. But not to minimal to make people avoid PvP.

The only thing I might add to that is to make the gear score difference between the player and killed player count as well. For example. If my gear score is 200 and the killed player is 300, then I’d get 40% of 300 plus the difference so 100 because his gear score is higher. If the roles were reversed he would 40%of my 200 MINUS 100 because his gear score is higher and he’s killing a lower tier player.

Maybe increase the percentage of the gear score gain. Too either 50 or 75% to ensure a solid little chunk every time we get kills but I personally believe a super geared player should not get much of anything from killing a naked. They definitely shouldn’t get the same amount of Ap if the naked killed the super geared.

[deep laurel]

Add weight to arrows so you can't bring in 100 without a disadvantage

[graceful frost]

why lol

ranger is so very mid rn and gets out dpsed by many other characters. There is no reason for that, having no inv space is alr bad enough.

[jolly leaf]

It's insane how people still have so much hate against ranger when we are in a period were Wizard can kill you with 2 Zap

[coral heron]

please @keen onyx @dawn grotto extend the ranked season till the whipe on the 7th

[queen vector]

Bigger size coin bags. Holy fucking shit just give us larger size coin bags that we can buy from the vendor.

[orchid remnant]

buy chest or bag lol

[pine comet]

The wizard gotta enter the range with zap, the ranger can just shoot you across the map

[orchid remnant]

ranger can kill wiz with same 2-3 arrows in the same value set, in which wiz can kill a ranger in 2 zaps

also ranger has triple shot, no triple zap for wiz gg

[merry hazel]

Lessen the ms cost of horsemans axe as 30 is a little ridiculous for something worse in damage than the falchion which only has a cost of 25

[jagged cargo]

Extend the season to June 7th!!!a

[graceful frost]

Its way easier hitting zaps compared to arrows, way harder to play cover against zaps. You can cast zaps most of the time faster than you can shoot arrows.

Also arrows have hella dmg fall off

[orchid remnant]

[jolly leaf]

There should be more incentive to play all the class so people would notice that rangers are not that easy to play and that powerful at all.

[peak lantern]

rogue's cut throat skill is just way too OP and should be nerfed to the ground

[jolly leaf]

What's making it strong

[peak lantern]

many many things, just the duration and the fact that it even can be used from range is crazy, also the cooldown is short

[jolly leaf]

The bard (very few people play it but) have an aoe cut throat that should be even better. I do agree that the cooldown is short tho

There is very few way to silence people in the game I don't think they should be nerfed. I agree that of you get cut throat by a rogue as melee range as a mage you'r almost dead every time, but that's not true for warlock of cleric they can defend themself at melee range (even the wizard can actually with this stupid wizard staff perk)

[jolly leaf]

And yes it can be used with the hand crossbow or throwing knife but that's risky if you miss you lose it, and 4 sec may seem a long time with a rogue at melee range but if you get silenced by a ranged hit, you should have the time to escape for 4 sec (not always but still it's way less efficient to use cut throat with ranged weapon)

[peak lantern]

you can sneak up to people with rogue, with bard you have close to zero chance 😄

I think duration is just way too OP, it it would work like ambush duration worked then it would be somewhat balanced

[jolly leaf]

What duration do you mean the 4sec silence or the time it stay on the blade?

[peak lantern]

4 sec, and also the cooldown on the skill

after the triple shot was removed from longbow ranger, most bullshit kills are with cut throat, you get camped, and boom you are dead, zero skill play

[jolly leaf]

Well that's how rogue work. You'r playing wizard? Warlock?

[peak lantern]

I am playing every class, I love the game and I want it to have a future. This playtest I mostly played bard, warlock, ranger

[jolly leaf]

Someone like me who play every class 👍

[peak lantern]

and also skill is not easy to notice until you get hit, a skill like this should put certain colors effects on your blade even if not your whole body

[jolly leaf]

It does put a purple aura on the blade just like rupture, even bigger imo

[peak lantern]

playing since pt4, developers put a lot of effort, sometimes fd up too but now when you look at the games balance overall there are 2 very OP skills, fighters sprint and rogue's cut throat, make some changes on these and you have a much better skill balance

[jolly leaf]

My though on rogue cut throat is that indeed the cooldown is low especially now the ressourcefulness give CDR. Other than that class you suffer the most from it (wizard and warlock) have spell to avoid ambushed rogue (hydra and light ball). And fir the 4 sec the problem is not the duration it's that a rogue can kill you in half that time, the issues here is the TTK not the 4 sec. Longer TTK = more opportunity to espace, get help from a mate, dodge etc

[jolly leaf]

I don't agree with you on that. If that was true we would have seen everyone run cut throat when Multiclassing was up. Sprint is indeed op, everyone was playing it. I don't remember seeing lot lf people playing cut throat, Barb have way more powerful skill everyone had Sprint+ one barb skill when multiclassing

[peak lantern]

my friend we had long enough chat, thank you for sharing, my last saying is hydra doesn't help sht against rogue unless you are playing platelock

[jolly leaf]

They spot invisible rogue, but anyway last thing for me why not nerf Cut throat that way : When you use it, it last 8 sec on the blade, and cd reduced. It could be a good start. Thx you for the chat, that was interesting!

And most important : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554229/additional-and-true-damage-should-be-deleted-from-the-game

Even more important : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem (pls people, vote this one. It have very good idea to improve the gameplay loop)

[peak lantern]

this is also something makes rogues way too powerful when they stack true damage which is easy to do, I also think true/add should be removed, instead give classes more chances to stack armor penetration so armoured classes are not way too strong again like it used to be in pt4

[proper shadow]

Agreed

I think it could be a good idea (how ever I’m sure It would be very complicated and hard for the devs) could be too give the different classes different stat caps for example rogue stacking true damage and action speed is really really REALLY hard to deal with. Sure there is a way but if your the wrong class you are just dead to that player regardless of your skill. So maybe have rogues true damage cap go down the more action speed they have currently equip. Obviously other classes can be adjusted is a similar buff/nerf fashion to help even out early game pvp and late game pvp

[chrome gale]

parry dagger for rogues and bards

[jolly leaf]

To parry only weapon with equal or slightly more impact power why not. Because you can't parry a Double Axe, War Maul or big weapon like that with a dagger

[soft nebula]

anyone else jus kinda sick of these practically naked barbarians having 150hp/115ms/insane damage numbers/insane healing/insane chase capabilities? or is it just me

[jolly leaf]

Yes Barbarian are really (too?) strong right now. Especially with the actual GBMM because they can go without a chest/head piece and take a better weapon or few epic/legendary piece of gear in -299 gs

[upbeat hare]

Good patch, though nothing major. The decision to continue with a PvPvE approach felt like they had gone too far to pivot entirely to either PvP or PvE. Until now, the game has been developed more as a PvE experience.

Personally, I would like to see smaller maps with primarily mini boss/boss rooms, allowing the PvP encounters to happen early and giving the victors enough time to clear the bosses. Instead of having large PvE rooms filled with nothing but 50 mobs and 20 chests, there could be one large central room, similar to Goblin Caves, designed for interesting and dynamic fights. This would prevent players from AFK looting in random rooms for 15 minutes.

I suggest scrapping static escapes and instead implementing static downs, with six blue portals in the final two zones.

Regarding the portal decision, I don't want to feel like I'm losing gear to the zone more often than in PvE and PvP situations. Blue portals should signify the end of a run, not a means to avoid combat or clearing. However, players should still have the option to avoid encounters with formidable teams equipped with named items if the situation calls for it. Smart decisions should be rewarded. Additionally, it would be beneficial to have more spells, such as a door lock, to control and defend areas from intimidating teams. Currently, the options are limited to hiding until you can slip into a portal or engaging in an unwinnable fight.

To clarify, I want more options than just doorways to skirmish with teams, providing alternatives beyond a full-on confrontation or complete avoidance.

[worn lava]

If barbarians have a lot of health and already hit very hard, the enemy shouldn't have a slow when they get hit by barbarians well because that slow is an automatic win over the majority of the time for them and they shouldn't have that when other classes don't have something to there class that gives them that automatic win. It's an unfair advantage. Considering they can go pretty quick with movement with the right gear and the throwing axes decent amount of damage, it's just not a class to fight fair That's my thinking from watching clips, fighting as a barbarian and fighting a barbarian

[jolly leaf]

Maybe just reduce the Hitslow of the barbarian weapon would be enough most of them have a -30% slow for 1 sec. But all class have that it's just that other (smaller) weapon have a less little hitslow

[worn lava]

If there is any hitslow for barbarians weapons it's automatically unfair since majority of fights it's 1 to 2 hit enough to kill someone when geared 1 hit slows and if not dead the slow is already in place to prevent them from escaping the second hit kills them this is what I see in majority of clips with barbarians having medium to high gear versing against people with low to medium gear

[jolly leaf]

Yep you'r right, but imo the problem is not the hitslow on barbarians weapon but the TTK who's too low

If barbarian needed to hit one more time, the hitslow won't be that strong. You would have more chance to escape

[proper shadow]

If the Barbarian needed to hit one more time to kill they would lose any fight they are in on account of attack speed of barbarian weapons so gotta disagree there and I don’t even like barbarian

Talking normals gears where the base class is at its rawest

[jolly leaf]

When i say that it's if the TTK in global is increased so yes the barbarian have to do 3 hit to kill but all the other class have less damage too

It's just to avoid the "One shot" meta we have right now

[patent sentinel]

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[jagged cargo]

Extend the HR season until the 7th!!!! PLEASE 🙏

[stray sequoia]

Is possible translate the game in spanish?

[near marsh]

stop removing things. after going to your suggestions page for the first time in 1600 hours of gameplay, ive found that the only people going to these places are whiney lame people that were getting slapped by people who knew what they were doing. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com was depressing to read after the first few. it became people complaining about small things that i personally enjoyed, but of course i didnt come to discourse with these people because i was too busy enjoying the game. now many features i was enjoying are gone, if i garner enough votes will they be returned? of course not. so instead of doing anything drastic, just stop [deleted] removing things from your good game.

[azure bison]

take a trip to ironmace headquarters and smoke their buttox

[shut thicket]

battle ring: allow people to do any item, any modifier, and pit them into either a pre-made ring or one of a couple of randomly selected areas from a dungeon. no gear fear, no whining, just pure fighting glory. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/557303/create-a-fighting-ring-with-any-items

[jolly leaf]

An arena game mode is already planned. We don't really how it'll work tho

[proper shadow]

Your literally doing what you were complaining about

[shut thicket]

i hope they just let people build the stupidest, goofy ass kits possible with the best possible stats, like uniques and nameds with perfect rolls

just to see what the peak of this game's combat looks like

[coral heron]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto Please either extend the season. Or give out ALL the rewards to all, and compensate the demigods and exemplars with red coins, the rest of the lower ranks with blue coins. One or the other please.

[shut thicket]

this is honestly a pretty decent suggestion, maybe drop the low rank blue coins thing and give the higher ups red

[scenic basin]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto Honestly there needs to be an extension of the season and some sort of compensation the downtime from developer mistakes is ruining the chances of climbing and progression for a large amount of the community and it is pretty unacceptable as a company not to show consideration for all of the time spent waiting on the multiple issues that have spanned several days of time now.

[proper shadow]

So we should do what my original plan was which is to introduce class specific stat capping

[jolly leaf]

Yes it could be a solution

Maybe a bit hard to implement and balance

[proper shadow]

Five sure

[hollow light]

Lock in leaderboards when the season ends but allow rewards to be earned up to the 7th

[regal trench]

🐷 give druid pig form 🐷 introduce boar monster 🐗

[near marsh]

thanks for the extremely helpful suggestion, but im not asking them to revert any changes or change anything, instead im asking them to simply leave everything theyve added in the game as it currently stands and dont remove anything else. adding new stuff is great.

[proper shadow]

That’s all perfectly fine that’s your opinion, I personally don’t agree with it. But I’m not speaking on that I’m speaking on you saying “everyone is just complaining in chat”

[near marsh]

you obviously misread what i typed, i referenced this chat a total of 0 times

[polar jolt]

What do you guys think about being in lobbies with different ranks wanderer to exemplar ? I feel like being only based on gear is kinda bad.

[balmy burrow]

they need to make arrows stack up to 40 or finally add the quiver so my arrows dont take up a quarter of my inv

[civic zodiac]

Not enough players to do otherwise. On release it will most lilely be more balanced

[onyx current]

Extend the season through the weekend to make up for the long maintenances and short headsup that should have been at least 2 weeks

Just take away 2 days from the preseason. No one will care and yall still get s3 on the same date

[sweet zodiac]

suggestion revert what ever change was made for matchmaking grey gear should not be fighting purple. sure, in cases for higher leader board rank it should be the case but a neophyte should never fight a voyager or exemplar.

currently as i am GearScore 250+ blues purples on a Wanderer II average. empty lobbies for 3 straight matches so far.

[hidden hemlock]

Would Ale giving +1 impact like a temporary crush work?

[nocturne forge]

are they going to extend the last week of the season?

[abstract stirrup]

No #the-tavern message

[nocturne forge]

oh

[keen karma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvZL2uG4VJ8 hide still bugged with weapon effects

[nocturne forge]

then i hope they could, atleast, stop pushing broken patches during the last week of the grind... game was down like 50% of the time

[nocturne forge]

ty for the quick answer sir

[abstract stirrup]

No problem 🙂

[marsh heron]

The same timer on every single marketplace salesman really irks me. It's a lot of info repeated. I would suggest moving the timer to under the "Travelers & Merchants" title of the tab, and you win more space under every salesman card for other info in the future (special offers, symbols to denote sales or special wares?)

[rugged summit]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/1d3cen8/poll_should_all_players_except_rouge_give_off_an/

[queen igloo]

When interacting with any loot horde, if items cannot go into the target player's inventory, they should be put on the ground instead of discarded.

[jagged cargo]

Hey @keen onyx @dawn grotto @full tulip between all the issues this season, and the multiclassing debacle, we need one of 2 things. Extend the HR season. Or. Give all the seasonal rewards to anyone who participated in the HR season, also keep the coinsack and potions rewards, then give 2 and 5 blue tokens respectively pathfinder and voyager ranks, and 2 and 5 red coins to exemplar and demigod.

[upper hearth]

Make ranged weapons do drastically less base damage in return for damage bonuses including: Unique arrow types, Height damage bonus, Elemental arrows, and debuffs such as bleed poison ect. Right now we can add a whole new layer of skill to the game by rewarding planning and situational awareness rather than just aim checks.

[small ibex]

add some type of slowing utility. I'm sick of this game becoming kite and kiter

[inner haven]

Please change the circle logic in inferno, at least for solos. So many times I have to go the furthest distance from my spawn ie. Northwest corner to Southeast corner and it is the least enjoyable experience my brain is capable of comprehending.

[jolly leaf]

#the-tavern message It's not for soon but they're thinking about something

[elfin vale]

its a 3x3 map bro… just walk..

[inner haven]

Walking through elite & nm mobs + boss room op my bad I forgot

[elfin vale]

yes thats a very normal and manageable thing that hundreds of ppl are doing, you just have to clear ur way. if ur in greens then yea its gna take long that was ur choice to q crypts in rags AND THEN go hell

[inner haven]

I don't think it's very normal.. the people I see going to inferno when I take a blue are either ranged/spell casters or melee players that got forced into taking red. Say skill issue all you want but it is a pain as a melee class. Even building full damage 2 or 3 hitting nightmare mobs can take a while to clear that many mobs with subbosses as well. Barely enough time to loot in between killing everything running from corner to corner. Probably 75% of the time I have just 1 minute to clear the last module the final circle is in.

[mild lichen]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/555663/new-map bumping this up I know theirs other things we need before this, but it's still a good idea and would appreciate some more love from the community spread the word and stay classy -B.B

[alpine violet]

I just entered a Duos lobby with my buddy. I was 297 gearscore and my fighter friend was 296 gearscore. WHY THE FUCK WERE WE PUT IN THE 300+ lobby just to get killed by a KUMAS CLAW and DEATHBLOOM PLAYER. Either get rid of the gearscore system or make sure it works correctly! Practically just gave our kits to people with 700+ gearscore..... FEELS BAD

ooof that hurts. I didnt realize i qued for Brazil instead of East. Was ratting on my rogue in Brazil a few days ago. Well, I'd say just take my kit but they didnt even take my kit.

[atomic yacht]

its called slow from wizard

[small ibex]

not everyone chooses the wizard class dude. I play fighter

[atomic yacht]

you have sprint and a crossbow :3

you're typing up an entire essay huh

[small ibex]

You're somewhat right but it doesnt matter because naked wizard out runs me if I dont build full agility, That's why i want a slowing utility dude like a oil lantern that doesnt explode but just putts oil everywhere and slows people

[atomic yacht]

you have sprint

[small ibex]

sprint doesnt help anything when you have any amount of armor on slowing you down. If I miss with a cross bow i dont get to reload freely I just get charged at. A slowing utility would help balance this agility meta alot

[atomic yacht]

its +50 ms with swift which already reduces the effect of plate
noone wears full plate wear plate chest and helm

[primal thicket]

hey devs, the void blade currently does not display magic damage on dummies, i would imagine the demon glee also doesnt

[abstract stirrup]

They have already stated that they cannot extend the season

[ivory quartz]

Demon glee actually doesnt do magic damage. It just gives you +1 magic damage (which yes, is useless). IM is fucking stupid for doing that, if it had +1 magic weapon damage, it would actually be good, because then you could use it with poison and run magic damage rogue. But then there might actually build diversity in this game, which we all know IM hates. You will be a meta slave and you will like it.

[coral heron]

@dawn grotto @keen onyx @full tulip Please either extend the season. Or give out ALL the rewards to all, and compensate the demigods and exemplars with 2 and 5 red coins respectivly, the rest of the lower ranks (pathfinder and voyager) with 2 and 5 blue coins respectivlt, sack and gold rewards stay consistent. One or the other please and thank you 😀

[abstract stirrup]

#the-tavern message

[ivory quartz]

They are the devs, of course they can. They simply won't.

[abstract stirrup]

I think thats fair, extending the season because you didn't play the game is unfair for everyone else sir

[ivory quartz]

I don't personally care if they extend the season or not. Other than that I am generaly a proponent of longer wipes. But I think the extend the seaon people do have a decent argument. IM originally intended for this to be the multiclass season, and they announced to everyone that to paritcipate in Multiclasss you would need to level up multiple characters. People went into this season with that in mind and distributed their time to multiple chars, rather than focusing on just grinding one char for demigod. IM then screwed the pooch on the multiclass and removed it, and now are rushing the end of the end of the season, so every forgets their mistake. I can understand why some people feel bad to and want more time to avoid the FOMO.

[abstract stirrup]

Fair point, they do indeed seem a little on the fence this season, but again this is there first time doing this 😄 We just have to hope that season 3 is a clear direction for the game 🙂

[ivory quartz]

goodluck with that. Truly I hope your optimism is well placed, but their has never been a more inconsistent dev team than this.

[abstract stirrup]

Hm inconsistent, but always working hard for all of us to enjoy the game 🙂

[ivory quartz]

you really are optimistic, are you a new player. I certainly hope so we need new blood in this game bad.

[abstract stirrup]

No, i've been playing since PT3 sir, I understand IronMace can mess up sometimes, but we all can tbh 🙂

[coral heron]

This is exactly on the money. Us people with lives lost too much time between preping for multiclassing, and all the server down time, especialy the down time directly after announcing a short season. I love this game, and after this season I have serious hesitations about wanting to give my time to a game that does not respect it. If having a life makes it so I can't play your game to the fullest, I'm not sure I want to play your game. I shouldn't have to treat DaD like a part time job, I should just have to be skilled and play consistently. Seasons need to alteast be 4 months, shouldn't start a season till the clock starts and their are rewards ready. Since they aren't extending the season, they should just give out the rewards, and reward ranks with blue and red coins, otherwise @keen onyx and @dawn grotto will have done us dirty. @full tulip you got your work cut out for you in the future XDXDXD

[regal trench]

🐷 give druid pig form NOW 🐷

[fresh plinth]

seasons are 3 months long in life not 4

[chrome gale]

keep its impact power at 4 so only smaller weapons can be parried

Also blackened armor would be cool

[plucky fulcrum]

I too am a little upset season got cut a little short esp with the nearly 48hr downtime in prepping my character for demigod which i will likely not achieve this wipe big sad

[desert lodge]

Add Magical healing, Additional Physical, Additional Magical, and more specific Attribute bonus multiplyers to Skills/Spells (i.e. Willx att bonus = value)

[wet onyx]

Calm down bird dawg, it will come in time.

[regal trench]

i cannot rest until pig

[fresh plinth]

fighting people with fucking galactic level gear in my neophyte lobby is lame can't wait till wipe

maybe character bound gear would be cool

[mystic yoke]

I would like to see some elemental damage. So instead of + weapon damage or + true damage, we could have + fire damage or + lightning damage or something, get some cool weapon enchantment visuals to go with it

[jolly leaf]

That could be cool be it's stats only for the Wizard. All other class won't be able to use them

[mystic yoke]

Yeah currently only spellcasters have any elemental damage. And they should still deal the bulk of elemental damage. But it would be cool for like, a fighter or ranger or barb to have +2 fire damage on their weapon, could help them beat heavy PDR builds even though they aren't magic classes

Also, fire swords are cool

[jolly leaf]

I don't think it would be that easy to make. Because for elemental damage to be efficient you'll need to split magic resistance into multiple elemental resistance. Because if magic resistance are equally efficient against every type of elemental damage their is no point making different type of magic. And that would make too many stat, it would be even harder to get stuff with the roll you want. But the idea is good maybe it should be more like item that we can craft, a fire sword, lightning spear, ice dagger (That deal true "elemental" damage, but in fact it would be magical damage with a cool name)

[soft nebula]

for spellcasters. why not change them from rest regen, to cooldown regen. IE. fireball normally has 4 charges, instead, it could have 2 charges, however once one is used, it starts up a regen timer for it being 20 seconds per fireball. zap can go down to 3 zaps, and come back every 15 seconds, magic missile could also have 2 charges, with regen at 15 seconds, and stuff like chain could be 1 charge per 30s. i feel like this would really help out a wizard when it comes to long fights and also kind of nerf the spammability of certain spells too, spell overload could also be changed to simply reduce cooldowns by about 20% or so, and medetate could be changed into a skill like 2nd wind where it can be used once per campfire, but for 6s, increases spell recovery by 2.5x

[soft nebula]

it could just be in terms of effect, fire weapons could slightly reduce pdr, lightning could inflict reduced action speed, ice slow. it could also just be a new merchant which can enchant our items too

[jolly leaf]

Or even better, a room in game with an npc who can enchant your weapon, but it take time and make noise to alert other player. That would add an objective on the map, like the golden key room or thing like that

[worn lava]

if you want the game to feel more alive why don't you change it so if you que duo or trio your put with random people unless you group up with friends or you know people from the discord or gathering hall but you should automatically get put with people and obviously you would have to add a function to turn that off if you wanna do some solo runs on trio mode i just think its stupid the way its set up now if you want a team you got to do gathering hall or discord gathering hall is always dead and discord not always a fan sometimes you don't wanna talk but don't wanna que solos mode

[pulsar glade]

Fuck Ironmace. Blew up your game, all week long shut been down. Tonight clear cheater got me and 2 separate occasions of preteamers berating some of your community while teaming on them. I honestly hate this game. Shit experience

[winged tide]

Let Bard play any song on any instrument.

[soft nebula]

bro we get it, just play a game you have fun on

[pulsar glade]

Problem is I do like is save these unfortunate mishaps. It can't persist this way and succeed

[unkempt oriole]

remove/adjust perk and skill that punish player for being good (such as dark reflection/ice shield)

add light plate chest armour and legging

[coral heron]

Quests should be account wide

[coral heron]

same here, prepped, but settling for voyager... realy wanted those bottles too, they look cool, no pun intended, and i love cold drinks irl so it was a sad miss. serously, 1 more week and i would have Demi. if it werent for the hell of multiclassing and the time a wasted preping for it, i would have had Demi like last season, huge bummer, has stoped me recomending the game honestly

[scenic basin]

Realistically i have stopped recommending the game to people because the devs "testing things" the covering up the mistakes by rush wiping has made me really annoyed with less than a week of notice and the lack of any willingness to listen to a large amount of the community or even comment on their frustrations is a huge L in my eyes sadly i did not make demi either due to multiclass hell but hopefully next season they will do better and not mess up then rush us into the next season, that was a massive rip off.

[rose canopy]

Bring back the old stiletto crouching animation. I miss it. please 🙂 #rogue message

[haughty harbor]

I suggest you stop this knight system before you start it and get burned. Build a tutorial instead. Arena and tutorial lobbies instead of outsourcing the. Process to a warden that picks who gets a unique colored torch would be highly appreciated

[toxic forge]

They don't have resources to build a tutorial ATM given how much the sweats are crying to content they will play. A tutorial is 100% needed, but tbh just making it so the squire explained the basics (extracting / etc.) to a new player and offering the knight system is fine in the short term.

I for one will absolutely volunteer to play as a knight with newbies in normals. I think so long as they can report bad knights and commend good ones the system will largely sort itself out.

There needs to be a real way to disincentivize bad knights tho, aside from just locking them out of the system.

[naive thicket]

What do you guys think about armor racks/stands? Maybe it could be a quest reward or otherwise limited item. The idea is to have somewhere to toss your kit instantly if you wanna play normals and you're full up on stash space.

[white kraken]

Make spider pots break automatically after 2-3 spawn

[naive thicket]

yes

[limber elbow]

should update the mode to sell all treasure to collector instead of clicking each one individually when completed

[naive thicket]

YES

[jagged cargo]

Since the season got messed up with all the downtime, and multiclassing, and the timer going down, you should give the rewards out for free. Or something similar

[storm blade]

they lowered the AP that made up for it and then some

[haughty harbor]

That’s the issue. Even if you’re b2b 2 time demigod, with 1500 hours. You’re still locked out of the system if @hidden sierra deems you not squeaky clean in his eyes alone. There is no merit system atm. just a club at this point tbh

[hidden sierra]

I’ve already responded to you twice now, as long as you fit the requirements to join, being very straight forward, you will have as fair a chance as anyone else.

You’re specifically complaining about the part where having infractions on your account makes it impossible for you to become a knight, however if you can’t become a knight due to having said infractions, it’s only your fault for having broken the rules.

When dealing with new players we do not want to risk having any outbursts or misconduct throughout the run, therefore the program needs to be very rigorous and strict.

[haughty harbor]

This right here @dawn grotto @keen onyx is the issue

[mellow shale]

Just cause you have all these hours and whatnot doesn't mean they'll allow Toxic players help new players. If you've got strikes against y our account, You're Toxic and should not be approved to help new comers to the Game. plain and simple.

[hidden sierra]

It’s almost more important that you are professional, calm, and respectful then a gigachad who can wipe lobbies. A learning environment needs to be a place where there is 0 toxicity and it needs to be supportive. You could have 10000 hours, and if you weren’t a good teacher you wouldn’t be a good fit.

[haughty harbor]

It’s strikes in discord not in game. And if you checked the past most toxic behavior is never directed at anyone with a clover in discord. Its a club at this point and nothing more unless sdf becomes more involved, but he’s probably too busy

[mellow shale]

+If you're Toxic on Discord, your're Toxic in game. Same thing dawg. get over it

[hidden sierra]

I also actually look at the infractions on the applicants account. It’s not black and white, if you were warned in 2023 for spamming a copy paste like “bring the servers back up!” For example I’m not going to deny that person a shot at being a knight…

[haughty harbor]

Is it just you at the end of the day making these decisions? Like alone nobody else? If not I’ll back down on the club allegations and my justice for yorkazord. Because that seems like a lot of work if even 15% of this discord applies. Honestly sorry if talking about a separate discord’s moderation is against this one’s tos, but am just looking for clarification how this isn’t just another discord club with a free torch skin?

[hidden sierra]

Graysun checks the applicants too, and you keep referring to it as a club, but you still don’t understand the main objective of this server is to help new players learn the game, I understand if you’re a bit annoyed that there are certain requirements however I didn’t come up with them myself, they were all reviewed and put in place by Graysun and sdf. The requirements to join are intentionally very strict as we want the best and most helpful members of the community.

As for Yorkazord, I recognize that he is a helpful user, however it doesn’t justify him being disrespectful in certain situations… behavior like that is not something er can support.

[mellow shale]

Sounds like you're Title seeking. you want to be recognized for something. You're blowing up something that is really - not that big of a deal. You're upset because you got strikes on discord and not in game. you got disqualified due to bad behavior. Stop hating

[haughty harbor]

Aye prove me wrong

[signal vine]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/558054/remove-attribute-bonuses-to-modifiers

me no want attribute stacking modifier bonuses

[vapid hedge]

Please add the Druid Class Discussion so we can start discussing shit

[ripe turtle]

This "Hall of Knights" feature...are you being serious Ironmace? This is a merciless, hardcore dungeon crawler game. Have a simple tutorial to allow new players to learn the basic stuff and reward them for doing that. This "holding hands" nonsense is just negative impact on new players. They wont get learning experience by having someone to do the "adventuring" for them, they have to face those difficulties like we did back in playtest 1! This new feature will destroy the atmosphere and excitement and hardcore element from the game for new players. EDIT: Also hackers, cheaters, goldsellers and other toxic players are gonna abuse this feature. Just saying.

[winged tide]

...luck should have a combat effect. mwahaha

[upper hearth]

They love to do this thing that I call 'Band-Aid patches' where they address the result of an issue but not the root of the issue.

[ripe turtle]

I hope they realise the problem here.

[upper hearth]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/558126/reduced-base-damage-in-return-for-damage-bonuses

[hardy vector]

remove fucking traps

[upper hearth]

I think it would be fair if you could rip your leg out instantly in return for a ton of damage being done. Being stuck like it is currently is just a game ender.

[mystic yoke]

Are you being serious?

[dusky ingot]

just remove +weapon damage +physical damage +true and +magical damage and scale up with str and will better
there you go, i singlehandedly fixed the balance of gear dependence

[quick plover]

I think +additional can be good if it is reduced.

Some weapons and skills do not scale well from % based.
Too much is bad but I think none is also bad. It should be comparable to PPB to a Barbarian as Add dmaage to a rogue. Just overtuned right now

[dusky ingot]

nah

[upper hearth]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/558150/poison-mixing-rogue

[glacial lance]

when is wipe?

[jolly leaf]

June 7th

[glacial lance]

can lose ap?

[jolly leaf]

Not anymore. The leaderboard is closed. Reward will be given right after the wipe

[foggy sun]

We need an otto the dog rescue mission, we need to escort him out of the dungeon (but he barks)

[worn lava]

enable slow walking when shooting magic missile i mean you can make it the slowest walk ever but i think i believe you should allow wizards to move somewhat when its casted its not gonna be a game breaker

[worn lava]

i just saw the upcoming stuff you guys are adding and my fear is with the races the buffs and debuffs attached to each one are they gonna get a little too much at some point and get a little broken and possibly at some point nerfed or completely removed

[granite plinth]

im begging for dual wield handcrossbows, diablo demon hunter style

[strong grotto]

Nope. Balance is nonexistent anyway. Besides, racial buffs are nothing more but a minor thing over all. The biggest "buff" any character receives is tied to his equipment first and foremost.
Like take the lizardmen buff. A slight less damage to the head and 20 armor. Wow! So it is a bit less damage to the head, the damage that is DOUBLED anyway, while also giving a few percent of physical damage resistance. At a price of not being able to wear any head piece at all... It is NOT a fair exchange, mate, no matter how you twirl the math around. And those who play as lizards, play them for the sake of being a lizard. That is going to be with any other race.

[faint dirge]

?

[strong grotto]

It still anything, but a little sprinkle of spice upon regular character model. It is just that.

[azure bison]

JUST GIVE ME ONE MORE DAY TO FINISH DEMIGOD

[jolly leaf]

That's a cool idea but for an enchant/reroll of item I think it would be better to have someting like the Forge in this suggestion : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem . More than gold sink we need more objective and thing to do in the dungeon

But gold sink would definitly be a good thing actually we only have the Goblin merchant who's not that interesting now that we can buy green/blue stuff to the other merchant

[jolly leaf]

Pls do, and send it here from time to time

[gaunt badger]

yo is it just me or is the lighting on the test server kinda weird looking? like anything that's lit up is EXTRA bright, such as candles lighting up wood surfaces. it's so bright it just appears white, as opposed to well-lit brown wood

[jolly leaf]

👌

[lapis iris]

Remove both Market and Trade posts
(Agree or disagree)

[jolly leaf]

In between, I see the problem with market place but in the same time it's usefull. Maybe start by nerfing it, up the fee, reduce the time item are listed, reduce how many item can be listed and see how it goes with this. But maybe it need to be rework completely

[lapis iris]

Sadly as it stands right now I think its the same as what it was with Tarkov.. It went from a game where every piece of gear you found meant something to "Oh shit this will sell for so much of the flee"
Also it allows for metas to be built stupid easy. I think if someone has found/built a gearset that is stupid strong they should be proud to run it you know? Instead of spending 5min on the market building an absolute bis kit

[jolly leaf]

Yep that's what I think too. But removing it completely is not a good idea imo, people will get mad about it. But make it harder to use/more expensive or maybe we can only sell epic or rarer item stuff like that. I think it's worth thinking about way to nerf/rework it before deleting it

[lapis iris]

Thats why increasing loot in the game would fix that issue. People get upset about any sort of change that makes the game harder and the game loop longer. Everyone wants to just run in and PVP with the absolute best stuff they can find on the market rather than building it with each extract

[jolly leaf]

Also maybe the arena mode. For people who only want to PvP

[lapis iris]

Also in response to the epic/rarer items on the market we actually are seeing that right now seeing as how most people are buying blues and up rather than buying any greens due to the gear difference. I just want to see different builds rather than everyone running a crazy amount of HP and TWD. Removing the Trade system would be the quickest way to fixing the current gear problem they're facing. Maybe they could bring it back in the far future once they think the time is right

[jolly leaf]

I got your point. For me it could be done by making more GBMM rank, a 0-150/200 would make people sell and buy green stuff too

But maybe you'r right and the real solution is to tweak Market place and trading post

[lapis iris]

I actually think they could get rid of GBMM if they removed the trading posts seeing as how you (Wearing all greens) could kill someone wearing all purples because they didn't min max the stats (Unless they got super lucky with their finds..then I guess you are about to get rocked lol)

[jolly leaf]

Well that's how it was before, and all the game was one or two team full gear stomping every other. GBMM is a good feature it's just not perfectly balanced right now due to the lack of player that forced to do only 2 rank (0-300 and 300+)

[lapis iris]

The trade system was still in the game though so people were still trying to max out their stats

Since the first playtest they had a trading system in the game where players would sell items.

[granite plinth]

We should be able to put kits/bundles of gear on the market place

[jolly leaf]

Don't count healing and some utility, make more rank stuff like that would be cool. Yes ok, but it was way less friendly when only the trading post was up. Took way more time etc. And if we do all the change I said above (Nerf marketplace, an arena mode for people who only PvP, change how the GBMM work) it's worth a try I guess. I don't think it's good to just remove a feature (especially when they're important like that, it will only make people angry and hurt the playerbase even more) or at least try to make it work before that

[lapis iris]

I was saying more or less suspend the trading post+market place to just test and see. I dont the scrapping it would be a good idea. However I think it would be worth a try.
You also have to realize that the changes I am suggesting to fix our current issues with gear is just removing 2 things and the fix you thought of consists of 3 which also consists of multiple tests. I like your ideas though dont get me wrong... I just think it would be a good test before they did a bunch of things to try to make it better

[jolly leaf]

Yeah why not give it a try on test server for a few week

After the wipe so everyone can get access to it (Because I guess that's what will happen when they say that the Hold the line pack will be remove)

[lapis iris]

That also goes into my other suggestion.. I think the test server should not be locked behind a pay wall.

[jolly leaf]

[lapis iris]

Does that mean they will for sure be allowing free access to the test server? If so that would be a solid choice

[jolly leaf]

Not sure it's a theory, but they will remove the Hold the line package so ever they'll find another wall or release the access to everyone

[lapis iris]

What are they planning on giving the hold the line holders? I assume nobody knows yet lol

[jolly leaf]

Nobody know yet xD

[lapis iris]

Well they seem to be talking about some great things happening soon so I trust in IM

[jolly leaf]

Same i'm really hyped by that wipe

[lapis iris]

Things are really looking up it seems

[proud sigil]

nerf loot

[worn lava]

that makes sense i mean ill just use anime as an example but the main character usually goes to the merchants and has to hunt down the material to upgrade his gear but what's to say the merchant doesn't already have the material and all you have to do is pay gold it would make sense what you suggest for the in game merchant to already have materials and you just pay it gold to upgrade your gear

[desert geyser]

want to add a new shield with the ability to retort, and there are weapons like the spear, which have a block, but have no retort -.-. something must be done about it

[jolly leaf]

You're wish as been granted, they just add a shield with an hidden blade that can riposte after a block. It's on the test server actually

[desert geyser]

no no no . first of all they should add a retort to already existing weapons , which have the option of blocking

[jolly leaf]

I'm not sure every weapon need a riposte. Maybe every should be able to block tho

[deep laurel]

I think it would be cool if the hydras did melee damage when enemies get close.

[proper shadow]

Perhaps a tiny knock back as well so it doesn’t need to do much damage to still be very useful

Might I suggest if you are to add an arena mode. Perhaps have only 2 modes, normals and high roller.
I might also suggest having it set in tournaments. Much like the game “rocket league” where if you want to join it’ll have a window of time (5 minutes or so) for players to join the tournament. Then it starts. I feel like this could aid in worry for empty lobbies due to player base.
I think having a random map for every round of the area would be a good idea as well so you don’t have to add map ques you can just pick a module on each map that’s arena esc.
I personally would like it if instead of bringing in your own gear (for either mode) give each class presets to choose from (and possibly the ability to modify those presets slightly while they wait for the tournament to start) and then you can make just straight up gold the main gain from the arena (if players would prefer to make money that way) and maybe give out like a reward token or something to the top 3 and a decent piece of gear to choose from for first place. (Along with what ever gold values you’d like to assign for each round of the normal or highroller tournament)

[deep laurel]

I think adding weight to loot could be a good addition. Then there could be a drop button where you can choose to drop everything in your inv to free up movement speed. It would help with players putting things like an absurd amount of potions in bandages in their bag while still being able to get to them in a fight. Basically the same system for the game Outward.

You could choose to straight up ditch your loot to stay alive in certain situations.

Players wouldn't have to actually equip a bag or anything. Just keep it as a way to drop your inventory fast.

[graceful frost]

NO

[pine comet]

The meta would be dropping all the loot you find into a dark hidden corner where nobody will ever find it

[dense dove]

It would be like tarkov a lot of the time and it's not really that cool

[next tangle]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/558386/entrance-fee-in-hr

[proper shadow]

👍

Personally I think it is way too late to think about adding weight how ever I think arrows should be at least 1 gear score because the bards instruments are a couple points of gear score each! If your going to force the bard class to have gear score for his key class items I think it’s only fair the it applies to all classes

That *

[proper shadow]

I suppose it would be 6 ques for solo,duo, trio
But I stand by my opinion to have preset gear sets for arena mode and I feel like anyone that might complain about not being able to take their gear would also be implying that they simply don’t want a fair fight they want the advantage.

[narrow tree]

W change, need upvotes https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/558468/savable-perkskill-slots

[jaunty shoal]

Add hit markers

[jaunty shoal]

Fix goblin merchant

[brave pendant]

EU sever in UK 300 ping up sometime 120 UP ping pls Optimize server

[tawdry jay]

the game does not need hit markers, this isnt cod.

[jaunty shoal]

Everybody has an opinion lol, good thing I wasn't suggesting it to you to begin with. (Ps. blocked)

[tawdry jay]

everybody has an opinion, and you posted it to a public forum. and i just gave you my opinion

[coral heron]

Female skins should give the character female noises.

[worn mantle]

I actually never thought about this but true , they do sound different when you play barbarian and use a shout , from female to male the shout noise is diff but yeah the other noises should be too you’re totally right

[dense dove]

They are different just that if you choose M character and put a F skin it does not change the sounds and it does sound weird sometimes because of it

[jolly leaf]

What do you guys think about allowing the rogue to use the new lantern shield? I think it could be a good thing. Now that everyone is faster (thx to ms penalty reduced on all stuff), that everyone have more HP and that true/additionnal have been nerfed the rogue is probably going to have a hard time. Giving him this shield could be cool (the hidden blade on rogue pls) and uselfull to help him survive a bit

[coral heron]

I hope they do this, it's just weird to me lol

[coral heron]

It feels like since I had to pay for both male and female genders, I should get different noises. Like atleast just switch it to female, even better would be give each skin a unique set of sounds for each class, make em realy worth buying lol.

[white kraken]

Good idea but I'd rather have them focus on content then that. Maybe a filler on a future patch after new snow map and everything

[dense dove]

yeah for now they gotta make the game better and than do stuff. Like that its not breaking the game its just a small thing

[amber sentinel]

What do you think about adding shoulder items

[jolly leaf]

Adding more armor slot will mean more stats, so need to rebalance a lot of thing (Monster and player damage/hp, movespeed etc) it's more hard than it seems

It's also more loot, less chance to get the piece of armor you want etc etc

[deep laurel]

How about removing the demon roar after transforming into a demon? It likes to bug out and not let you swing sometimes after transforming. It gets pretty annoying.

[sharp wave]

How do we feel about barbarian crush being able to break multiple pots with one swing with two handed weapons? I find it kind of weird that a barbarian is able to bust down a door with one swing but gets completed stopped in its tracks when hitting a pot.

[coral heron]

I don't disagree, if it's down to a female voice actress or another programmer, go with the code. Just long term I would like to see that change. By like official launch when it's on steam and everything.

[coral heron]

Completly agree, focous on the game. Though better commu itt management won't cost much and would be nice. I don't want another season like this last one where they screw ppl out of being able to earn rewards kek

[dense dove]

it was a little here have not even 9 days to get demigod people who play 2 hours a day xD

[snow garden]

should add subclasses instead of multiclass

[ocean musk]

why can i only play on castle map??

[near elbow]

GO UPVOTE MY IDEA BELOW:

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/558669/gear-and-crafting-system-overhaul @nova sedge

[jolly leaf]

On the test-server? It's because their is too few people. With only one map they're is less chance for the lobby to be really empty and some of the test need PvP fight to gather data

[coral heron]

If your going F2P, paying customers need to be given a sick set of skins as a reward. Like 1 of every category. A race, a fire skin, an emote, potion skins, a sitting emote, a cloak skin, and a lobby emote. Give us an exclusive version of these things if your going f2p @keen onyx @dawn grotto @full tulip also make female skins sound female please!

[jolly leaf]

I don't get why we should have anything because they had f2p? It's a restricted version of the game where you can barely do anything and we don't lose anything (we even win the shared stash in the process)

It's just a new feature for new player who want to try the game

[rigid horizon]

Its effectively a demo

[coral heron]

A because we supported them during the hardest times. Their launcher while they are being sued while they screw us over and over with bad management.

B free to play will mean a flood of cheaters, gold farmers, and other such nefarious things, and we deserve a reward for putting up with that.

C it's insulting to make 1 group pay then not to make another group pay, especialy when the second group will negatively impact the first group who put in more and were more loyal.

Over all F2P without exclusive rewards is just bad all around

[jolly leaf]

I agree for A, even if, imo, reward should go only or in priority to people with the Hold the line edition they're the real looser her. For B Cheater and gold farmer probably but only in normal game. I don't think it will be worth it to gold farm in normal and cheating make less sense in normal I guess it's more boring/rewarding for those who cheat. And C, again f2p player won't have the same game than us, it's a very diminish version of it who won't be able to interact at all with marketplace/trading post and HR so they'll "negatively impact" a small part of the game where you don't really have nothing to lose. And yes there is people who mainly play normal because HR was not fun but : #game-discussion message

I won't say no to free cosmetic but I don't feel like we deserve them because they had f2p. It's more a free 2 try imo

[queen igloo]

I'm a hold the line customer, I think f2p is a good change. F2p will only effect normals, free players cannot trade or enter high roller, making money trade difficult if not impossible. Having more people to play dark and darker with makes my purchase of the game more enjoyable

[coral heron]

Fair, I still think we do, as cosmetics are essentially free for them. I get what your saying about reduced impact due to limited version of the game. I still think how it will affect the economy will be far reaching, and what it will do to new players ( stuck in norms due to bad HR change to now have level requirement...) will hurt the games growth; as well as hurt people who are grinding quests.

[jolly leaf]

Exactly

[jolly leaf]

Let's wait for the wipe maybe we'll have some good news (I hope)

[coral heron]

I am truly hoping so. I still have faith in these guys, despite everything. I beleive that they in the end are trying for the best as they see it. I see nothing malicious. Still their mistakes hurt, and have been hurting a lot more recently (last season). Still, I am hopefully for the 7th, I have faith in our imperfect devs, cause they are doing their best, trying their hardest, and fighting a titan while they male this game. We just need better soon. I'm just saying, so to us who have been here for them, especialy after the 9 day season, throw us some bling.

The skins I hope they give us should be Dark themed. Like a black fire with white tips, blackened potion bottles, a black smoke like effect on cloaks, an emote where darkness surounds the character in a swirled for a second, a black smoke like wraith skin, and a lobby emote where darkness consumes you and your eyes glow for a flash before the smoke dicipates.

[lime gorge]

okay so i think i came up with an insane idea. imagine we could make our own tiles. then make our own 3x3 labrynth with a boss on the end. clearing the labrynth gives you tokens for special trader. the labrynth system has a bounty system more people die the more tokens it awards when someone clears it. it costs ap or gold to attempt and the labrynth builds up the bounty so harder ones become more lucrative over time and people can build jackpot teams that go around defeating the hardest built labrynths.

[civic parcel]

PLEASE link accounts to phone numbers cause i dont want to be killed by endless F2P cheaters

[coral heron]

Beyond the bad F2P stuff, this is a chad update, I'm loving every other change. Good job on the rest @keen onyx @dawn grotto @full tulip thanks for the good changes!

[worn lava]

I'm just going to say it now. If you want to make unwinnable situations less frequent, the slowdown when hit from a melee weapon needs to be way less hopefully you did that change

[coral heron]

@keen onyx confirming on 1 peg that ice abyse is comming!!! Let's go!!! Thank you!!!

[ocean musk]

what does it mean?

[jolly leaf]

That sdf gave the confirmation that the 2nd floor of ice cavern will be released in the next wipe on the channel of a dark and darker youtuber @ocean musk

[white kraken]

Spider pots need to break after 2-3 spawn or remove the pots

[solar falcon]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/558810/add-chickens-to-blend-in-with-as-druid

[weak grotto]

@everyone

[hidden hemlock]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/558812/ale-should-give-you-a-temporary-crush-effect-aka-impact-bonus Hey guys I had this idea a while back to make ale a little more useful, could you take a second and check it out and upvote it if you think it would be a good addition?

[unreal salmon]

I'm sure this is not intended, but please make it so the shared stash is never used when you Shift click items into your stash. It is terrible. Especially do not prioritize it over your character specific stashes when the first stash is full.

[silver yoke]

this taking away the circle is beyond garbage, thats part of the issue with the frost mountain map, the circle forces people to fight and now you are taking it away

[stark cosmos]

https://clips.twitch.tv/FunnyRacyJayDuDudu-fDP_r7ag2wo7UkFm lmfao

[limber sinew]

Just go find people, not hard with no zone, just track them based on mobs they’ve killed.

[worn lava]

you gave barb way to much health now if in norm you gotta have three wizard pelt him with spells it goes to show they need nerf yuo should have given just the squishy classes the extra health not the cleric fighter and barb they dont need it

[brittle slate]

let me speand my money???? Too much to ask??? or actually let me migrate my account that I lost due to email issues??? still too much to ask??

[snow garden]

Rogue darkvision

[gusty lily]

also not so happy with this change but lets give it a try. Tarkov etc have no circle.

[gusty lily]

please do this already

suggestion: End Season and Wipe together, playing now is pointless

[forest fox]

please nerf sprint, its ridicoulus now full plate fighters reach ms cap, you cant literally outrun them

[ivory quartz]

LOL. NEVER EVER. SDF mains fighter, he got our backs.

[jolly leaf]

That's only half true. First : the game is not about forcing people to PvP. Those who want to avoid figthing should be able too (and that why they're removing zone i guess). Second : You should get incentived to fight by objective to do on the map, a hoard, some way of extraction or stuff like that https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem . Not by some bugs swarm pushing you. Objectif on the map, that's what the game lack right now. It's either new PvE thing to do and new way to force PvP

[strong grotto]

Time goes, patches change one another, and high roller is as stupid, unbalanced and unfun as ever. Screw you IMace. Just SCREW YOU.

[craggy dragon]

It makes more sense now, because "sprint" not "walk a bit faster"

But i do think sprint should be canceled when they take a step backwards

[forest fox]

dude this makes no sense at all, 70% pdr and you cant literally outrun them, even with max ms gear

[craggy dragon]

Im talking about sprint

[jolly leaf]

Nerf or rework it, it could be less ms, a penalty at the end (like the rat skill of druid or the Action spell skill of figther). But imo it should be rework that way : Sprint now do the same thing that the fighter perk who reduce movespeed penalty of armor but better like 50-60% for 6 sec. That way it still benefit to PDR fighter but is not overpowered on faster fighter like slayer. (Even with a rework it should not give as much as 50 flat ms)

[peak dove]

Please disable explosive bottles.

[strong grotto]

They need to disable all that FAT on mobs. It is literally impossible to play solo in HR, if you aren't stacked in all gold! Damn skeleton MAGE (!!!) eats 10 arrows to the head, THE HEAD! And still walks like nothing matters, while killing you with SPLASH from his fireball, that literally tickled you two times.

[peak dove]

even if you are stacked, youll die to a grey explosive bottle

[strong grotto]

Now tell me, where is the fun or balance in that??? I am already frustrated enough losing all my gear to all those gold and purple bastards, with no life, but now even mobs are impossible to kill solo??? F U I mace.

[peak dove]

i usually am on IM side but its getting a bit out of hand with bugs, downtime and lack of content

[strong grotto]

HR is literally impossible to play, WTF?!?!? How is this a good design of PvP, when one enters the map dressed to 2-shot anything, but other is unable to even scratch the bastard?!!! WHO IS THAT M*R0N, WHO DECIDED IT IS A GOOD DESIGN OF PVP!?!?!?

Even the damn gear score was better, than this crap!

[peak dove]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto @full tulip Disable explosive bottles.

[coral heron]

New map

@keen onyx @full tulip @dawn grotto Please make quests account wide!

[coral heron]

Yea, bottles burn the ground for way too long. They enable kiting meta...

[peak dove]

that's fine and not the issue, they're bugged and doing way too much damage right now. they should've been disabled right after patch went live but the bug has been in the game for over 12 hours now unchecked.

this is what id expect from a cash grab game, not IM who supposedly cares about the small player base that remains.

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to victim

[jolly leaf]

So it seem it's not just a free nerf on rogue hide's the cooldown as been reduced a lot from 40 sec to around 25 sec. But even like that 6 second seems rough, 10 would be the bare minimum imo. Divide the duration of hide by 2 and the cooldown almost by 2 would have been fine, it's a rework of the spell but right now even with the cdr reduced it feel pretty weak

[strong grotto]

Really? You still doing this? Rename yourself to whimper and delete the game.

[stone aurora]

Turn off map rotation

[jolly leaf]

Why?

[stone aurora]

Because trios on Goblin caves is ridiculous and most people want to go to hell/play the main map. I don't even want to play the game because of the rotation.

If we have to wait 6 minutes to play the map we want to play, what's the difference of waiting 6 minutes for the lobby to fill?

[jolly leaf]

I do agree about the hell part. But a 2nd floor to Frost cavern is coming with the wipe. And most of the time we have to wait for less than 6 min (and come on, it's 6 min)

[stone aurora]

It's often times more than six minutes because somebody walks away from their comp and you miss the que.

[jolly leaf]

But map rotation was is a really good update, it's cool to be able to play every map. They just need some time to add content in them so we have stuff to do (And part of that is coming in the wipe)

[stone aurora]

I agree it wouldn't be bad if there was more content. So, let's bring map rotation once there's more content. Still, Gob caves trios is awful.

[jolly leaf]

Because of the lack of exit? for Gob cave i mean

[strong grotto]

Piss off with your map rotation whining. At least now I can go solo in every map and not being subjected to 1 v 3 situations all the time. PISS. RIGHT. OFF.

[jolly leaf]

He agreed that it wasn't bad, just a lack of content around it. Read everythinh before going aggro like that

[teal shale]

Can lightorb PLEASE stick to players and objects like explosion PLEASEEE

[unborn terrace]

so you can stick your teammate with a bunch of orbs and blind people as they run thru the door

[teal shale]

Thatd be SO FUN

[unborn terrace]

if you do it to a barb it would be like seeing the train/truck lights before you get put to sleep

[strong grotto]

FFS! Who's idea that was to reduce the drop rate of ears and ale that much!??! I play whole day ang got only like 6 of those!!

[proven valley]

Please start including full patch notes of changes. Thanks

[unreal salmon]

What's the point of removing the stash tab discounts and adding an ante for HR 3 days before wipe day? I'd love to understand the "reasoning" behing this

[chrome gale]

please just fix the lag rubberband before you release on epic store or release performance mode

[gray cobalt]

Revert changes to rogue invis - 5 second invis is just nothing the sound added to that is just a destruction of the class

[chrome gale]

poision weapon will always be strong on rogue

[jolly leaf]

#suggestion-discussion message

[jolly leaf]

Shorter duration AND cooldown is not a bad thing at all. It allow more strategic play / repositionning and allow you to proc ambush more often

[gray cobalt]

5 seconds is a bit too short, the animation alone shows your position enough for people to just wait

[jolly leaf]

Yes i agree that's why is said 10 sec would be the bare minimum

[jolly leaf]

And it's 12 sec with the perk who double the time

[meager dragon]

Hello, in dungeons n dragons and in other games inspired by it (like solasta) the gear system is constructed around ''magical attunement'', so you dont get to be in full magical enchanted gear, you're limited to a few items something like 3. In Dark n Darker, this could be a way to go around the min max/stat check gearing that is occuring with the heavily enchanted items even when they're green. So you could queue up with your favorite 3 enchanted items or x number and the rest would be white gear.
Thank you for reading this suggestion and have a nice day!

[gaunt snow]

add arachnophobia mode ty

[coral heron]

Guilds should be added, add in a tabard that does nothing but display guild Sigle, or some other form of being able to see guild, like maybe a small tilting shield like badge with guild symbol. can have a guild chat room, guild storage, and a guild ranked progression system where members points would go to the guilds progress where rewards can be gotten for the whole guild.

[jolly leaf]

Yep that's an old idea that come back every often and it would be really cool

[coral heron]

gotta keep asking lol, also gotta keep talking about acount wide quests, @keen onyx >.> lol

[jolly leaf]

It's not the same but the shared stash help a bit about quest because now you can farm ressource on one character and give them to the other via the shared stash (they stay looted)

[coral heron]

that is really nice, still sucks for class kill quests, only type of quest i think they need to get rid of. kill quests fine, kill bards or wiz, no Bueno, way to random to be fair.

[jolly leaf]

Totally agree 🤝

[forest sigil]

would love to have 1 more character slot for when druid comes out.

[jolly leaf]

I think they would, they probably did it when the warlock came out

[teal sundial]

Plz bring back Ruins, and add Ice Abyss

[toxic forge]

At least gear & major feature changes. Discovering things in the dungeon is fun, learning GBMM was removed when you've got stacks of BIS chads in your lobby is not.

[jolly leaf]

Ice abyss is for the next wipe it's confirmed

[frank hornet]

rename rogue to placeholder

can still be bonked to death by a mage as a barb but that god damn rogue hide was tooooo much. why dont they just make rogues run skeleton champion speed and limit their weapons to wet noodles and fresh bread.

[jolly leaf]

Again #suggestion-discussion message

[frank hornet]

umm. thats where we are dawg

[jolly leaf]

it's still a test until the wipe, it might change again. It's good that they did that now, they can still balance it before the big update

[frank hornet]

next time I see you I am gonna ambush you with silly string and a squishmallow then I am gonna run away at the same speed as anyone else while also having 4 to 5 times more agility

[jolly leaf]

Yes, ok. That's very constructive thx

[frank hornet]

I was also gonna suggest that they patch only during primetime on fridays and popular evenings for gaming, but I see they have already got that down

I was aware that Shane Gillis was involved with a restaurant, but I didnt know he was also putting together a development team, that guy networks!

we should remove heals from priest and magic from locks

[dusky ingot]

so when are they going to make contrast abuse bannable?
i am tired of seeing these rangers and fighters that can see perfectly in pitch black rooms

[foggy sun]

when will bard get the option to put his hand behind his back when fighting with a sword

[frank hornet]

when rogue gets the ability to actually be a rogue probably

[coral heron]

there should be a skin like the lizard skin, except its for magic resistance, still needs the headshot damage reduction unless you get rid of no helmet penalty. maybe this should be the wolf skin >.>

[jolly leaf]

Maybe it is (but no we have clue on what it is already)

[coral heron]

i thought it just had stock lizard man attributes, from what i remember, i figured that was a place holder, or more hoped.

[coral heron]

ohh crap, 3 vig, and no head gear... headshot damage reduction is TOO important to lose over 3 vigor, this is a bad skin... cool look, but weaker than even the lizard man...

[jolly leaf]

Yep...

[atomic yacht]

i really hope ironmace eventually creates models for liz/lycan headgear and gives them a diff passive

[atomic yacht]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/559063/class-difficulty-ratings

[peak dove]

bump

[worn lava]

Nerf barbarian's health by substantial amount or increase wizard spells seeing on YouTube the crazy amount of health they can achieve now it's absurd

[jolly leaf]

Well Barb was build as one of the wizard counter. In solo it's probably very annoying but I guess the best is to avoid them. Every class have their counter and favorite victim

[strong grotto]

It is not about their HP, it is about that they supposed to be playing utilizing that HP to tank damage, because they can't build armor. So, they supposed to have lots of HP, lots of damage, but zero to negative defences.
They are not having neither zero nor negative defenses.
Barbarians and warl(C)ocks need their class be reworked entirely.
And fighters need to have other options, rather than sprint and second wind. And I don't know how far up their arse developers have their heads, because they can't notice that problem for years now.

[strong grotto]

Which is stupid, BTW. having favorable and unfavorable match-ups is one thing. Being impossible to kill or run from is the other. Barbarians, sprint PDR fighters, warl(C)ocks - those three literally ruining the game for every other class. You can't do a thing against them 1 v 1, if you aren't lucky or absolute God at kiting. And the fun thing, those bastards realize how unfair their classes are, and they prefer to find other targets, rather to fight one of their own.

[jovial tinsel]

They are using game filters to overlay the game.

[heady sphinx]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto Limit normal matches to people under level 30 or have level based matchmaking. (Too many high level players 40-50-80-100-300+) Abusing new players. Dont let the game die out or stunt growth because of this

[strong grotto]

Doesn't solve anything. You play till level 100, you get thrown to mature players, you delete the character and back to bullying yellow bellies. It is not a solution. This game has perverted PvP experience with cooperation or good manners meaning NOTHING. If you want that to be changed - you need to change core rules of engagement in general. Add some PvE only maps, fix that HR stupidity we have now.

[harsh plume]

I understand the rotation because they want people to play all the maps, but in reality people just wait for the rotation and play the maps they want to play. Why not just bring back map selection and give us what we want?

[deep laurel]

What about giving spell predation a bigger hitbox or infinite range? Or make it an AOE. It's just hard to use it before getting attacked.

[jolly leaf]

Why not that's a good idea, the spell is underused too. But it might have a comeback when druir came out because I think heal over time count as buff and can get removed by Spell predation

[jolly leaf]

Because we don't have enough player right now to split people in 12 different lobby. But it could a good idea, even if some of them will probably only have few player in it forever

[jolly leaf]

And anyway, imo, removing map rotation is not the good solution. It would be better to improve other aspect of the game to make all the map attractive (And I guess that's what is happening with the 2nd floor of ice cavern and the normalization of removing zone etc)

[strong grotto]

Because people don't want to go solo vs trio just to play certain map for the quest. Stop whining about rotation already. It is so fast, that most of the time, if you go in one, you will get the same one when you exit.

[harsh plume]

yeah you idiot thats why you would select solo on any map like they use to have it

[jolly leaf]

Yep and that's a number of player issues right now. But the long term solution it to make every map appealing to trio

[harsh plume]

i put this on here for the devs not to sit here and argue with you guys. i have other things to do get out of here

its just an opinion and its my personal. if you have other views you are welcome to post that as well but i dont want to sit here and have a debate and be attacked for a personal opinion.

[jolly leaf]

Ok, it's just that you asked a question, without @ anyone so we give you answer

[harsh plume]

@jolly leaf thats not really directed towards you its directed towards the dude who wants to throw out insults.... as if hes some guru to the game. get a top 10 placement before you're that cocky IMO....

[strong grotto]

And WHERE will you find that many players for that, smart arse?

[jolly leaf]

Just ignore him, your just feeding a troll

[strong grotto]

It is the damn main reason we have F2P people, lmao!

[strong grotto]

Sure, buddy, because you definitely need to finish the chef school to criticize cook for his burnt stake! Mistakes and glaring issues are issues visible to ANYONE with eyes to see. Not even to mention, that I don't need to score top 1% to notice problems even on the base level, that make the game inconvenient.

[limber elbow]

normal is the true face of this game so beautiful , HR is for hacker test new hack and farm money , i love ironmace give Free to play for new people help me remember how much i love this game and HR make me remember about those dog hacker farm and torture player for they fun

Just hope Ironmace can ban forever hacker account if they use cheat or hack 3 time , not ban for few hours

[strong grotto]

Couldn't agree more. The normal mode IS the game. HR is just some kind of perverted C&B torture with your own approval. ZERO balance. ZERO "weight class" distribution of players. ZERO pleasure. One can enter the map naked, while other will enter all gold and will never be even scratched by majority of players. Especially if that gold bastard is warl(C)ock, barbarian or stacked up PDR sprint fighter. ZERo ways of taking those down.

[dusky ingot]

make it so i can equip shortsword with shield

[vestal oasis]

seperate channels for normals and high roller

[blazing condor]

What You think about new Class "Samurai" 😄

with the katana

[limber elbow]

this game is balance but hacker make the game unbalance so Ironmace keep chance more and more that why the game unbalance

[jolly leaf]

Unfortunately I think they'll stick to Dungeon and Dragon class. So the next one will probably be Sorcerer, Monk, Paladin

[fickle trail]

I just want lizards to be able to wear certain cloth and leather hats or maybe some other kind of buff that doesn't make them op in normals

[strong grotto]

If you call the fact we don't have any way to start HR at the equal, or close to, footing in terms of gear as "balanced" - I pity you. You wouldn't know what the "balance" is. You wouldn't recognize fair competition even if it would cast the "testicular torsion" on you. And I will not even try to tell you why barbarians, fighters and warl(c)ocks are broken AF.

[strong grotto]

I think you are weeb and need to find another game. It is not about your fantasies.

[patent mauve]

Dropped items no longer shimmer, only static loose loot spawns shimmer, please bring back the shimmer. That is all.

[tawdry jay]

there should be spell/ music memory loadouts

[jolly leaf]

That would be cool

[vital compass]

I think that would be neat
Katanas are cool

[tulip venture]

I wonder if the Korean dev group would make a Japanese knight class

[narrow valley]

WANT TO HAVE FUN BUT THERE IS 0 PEOPLE ON LOBBIES

[jolly leaf]

A wipe is coming in 18h now that's why. People are waiting for it. It's part of the core of this kind of game, every 2-3 month there is a big reset (most of the time with new content). This wipe will be wipe 4. A wipe is a reset of everything you have, level, gold, item, stash tab, quest. Except your skin, the Blue and red shard to buy them and your character (so you keep the nickname)

[narrow valley]

when is it?

[jolly leaf]

In 18h. Depend where you are from but it's like middle of June 8th for Asia, very beginning of June 8th for EU and afternoon of June 7th for US

You have a timer in the leaderboard tab in game

[rose canopy]

friendly duels 🙂

[boreal lantern]

can we get a druid class discussion channel?

[strong grotto]

Any reason to add it in the first place? It is D&D based game, the only close thing to samurai would be fighter or monk subclass of kenshin. SUBCLASS. They don't even have all the basic classes out yet. And even the base races aren't out too. They'd better add dwarves and halflings soon and remade the visuals of orc race. Those ugly bastards look anything, but orc-ish.

[rough ingot]

No Ukrainian translation?

[craggy moss]

New website doesn't really explain what the game is or the classes lare like the old ones used to. The old one used to feel like an old game manual this doesn't explain anything to my friends. Please readd an about the game in the directory.

[ripe turtle]

As a Fighter, I wanna throw my shield like Captain America!

[pale ruin]

In dnd the fighter has a samurai subclass

[left salmon]

would love to play that

[rough ingot]

Anyways, It would a good move on IM part and there are a lot of people willing to volunteer and make that translation a reality

If anything, games like BG3 prove Ukrainian translation can be done professionally, with impact on community and general positive feedback.
Looking forward to seeing this game translated into more language including Ukrainian

[glacial sphinx]

Dont see a reason why they can't add it, maybe you can help them

[rough ingot]

I mean, it makes sense to do localization rollout with popular languages to stress test the system and the process itself. I just hope once they do phase 2 it will include more languages including Ukrainian

[glacial sphinx]

Yeah its probably languages with most people speaking them going first. But I hope you get what you're asking. Best of luck n stay strong

[tulip venture]

I mean they look very classic orc honestly which are just corrupted elves

[serene viper]

I think it would be cool transfer vitality to the Warlock

[whole salmon]

Allowing players to use common/uncommon items in the regular dungeon would make the experience much more fun for free players, as the high roller maps are only for legendary accounts.
this wouldn't limit a free player to only using common items and collecting gold without purpose

[jolly leaf]

This look like a good idea but unfortunately it's not. Because the difference of power between white and green gear can be really huge. This would resulte in people optimizing their green stuff to destroy every lobby

[uneven rain]

or just buy the game if you like it that much? support IM?

[whole salmon]

Not everyone lives in North America, for those of us who live in South America it is difficult, the cost of living is high and the salary is low, we receive the equivalent of 250 dollars per month, to use as a comparison, the most cheap at Mcdonalds is equivalent to 10 dollars of our salary

[whole salmon]

The game is a punishing game, I already died using yellow items to a barbarian with gray items, I took 2 hits and died
So I don't think green items would make that much of a difference.

[whole salmon]

How do they want someone who played using only 1 class with gray items without any experience with other items, without trade and without dealers to buy the game?

[crude raven]

what's the price of legendary any way

[vestal oasis]

i would love to see trailers for the different gamemodes with gc having the ai song as a cover

[left patrol]

Quest log or a way to track quests other than getting out a notepad

[jolly leaf]

They added one with the last hotfix. Only a placeholder but I think i'll be up with the wipe. No idea how it will work tho

[desert lodge]

Need to be able to have 9 chracters so you can play every class

[ruby kestrel]

people who bought the founders edition should get double the character slots

[sick bronze]

Add another character slot please

[torpid swift]

bring back runis man cmon

[jovial swan]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/559460/francisca-axe-overhaul-concept

[dusk pivot]

only one character slot is insane 😭 raise ts please 🙏

[tender remnant]

Druid Wildshape's HP needs to be separate

[grim bluff]

Buy legendary then

[dusk pivot]

im broke dawg

[grim bluff]

Fair

[dusk pivot]

i feel like 2 or 3 slots would be cool :3

[torn herald]

Ha! tell that to a warlock and get ha!’d at

[pale osprey]

Just create more emails dawg

[dusk pivot]

wait thats actually not that bad of an idea

[fresh plinth]

one more slot is all I need to have every class

[vapid hedge]

Could we get a Druid Channel please

[midnight whale]

Could we get a Legendary text chat channel in discord for the paid members? Maybe under general chat? Will help slow down general chat and let us type things without all the new player questions.

[noble tide]

Wizards and Druids should be able to Equip Chaperons

[glacial sphinx]

wizard hat should be +knowledge and exclusive to wizard imo

[merry hazel]

Revert sprint nerf

Fighters can't catch ranged classes anymore it's aids

[high zodiac]

Are the new changes to avoid PVP?, i haven't been able to find almost anybody, and when i do, they run like little b's

[woven copper]

How do I pay to get legendary status?

[jolly leaf]

Good question look in your inventory if they change when you shapeshift

[civic zodiac]

maybe include 3 character max on f2p and 1 highroller match per day so they can try stuff and not feel screwed. any1 who like will endup buying either way

[jolly leaf]

Imo it's good like it is they just shouldn't have called that a free to play but a free to try. Or Trial version

Oh good idea, already theory crafting I like that

[civic zodiac]

yeah but someone who wanna try and need to restart from scratch every char he wanna try and cannot use any gear he loot is a feeling that could be put away a little just to have a more open way to make em try

[shell siren]

without a circle there's no force pushing people towards fights, having static exits or exits you know exists also pushes people away from fighting. I think pushing people away from pvp takes away from the game, I feel like pvp should be a highlight

[civic zodiac]

go middle room on ice cavern or goblin cave and pvp players gather there

[humble lagoon]

F2P players cant use the loot they extracted out of the dungeon ?

[civic zodiac]

sadly no. need highroller access wich is lvl 20 and you need to purchase the game ( imo normal mode more fun anyway )

[humble lagoon]

Ah... But what is the goal of playing/extracting then ? 🥲 Unless i dont understand something

[civic zodiac]

well. highroller is the ultimate goal. that why i suggested they should allow 1 highroller game per day for free to play players to not only have the chance to try but ... not having the feeling that the core purpose of the game is being block between a money transaction wall.

[humble lagoon]

:/ Thanks for the fast answers

[civic zodiac]

game worth buying if you like how f2p is. its not too expensive also

[woven copper]

How do you buy it via steam?

[civic zodiac]

steam or website. would maybe advise buying it on the website untill they open it to multiplatform

[humble lagoon]

Actually i have the game, but i wanted to make a friend come back on the game. He was fine with the single character slot, not playing highroller, and not having the shared stash. But knowing he cannot use the gear he will extract is very frustrating

[civic zodiac]

i hope the soon coming arena will brg the possibility to these players to try their gears

[woven copper]

theres no where to buy it on steam or the website

[civic zodiac]

what you mean i dont understand? website and steam is where you buy it

[woven copper]

there is no option to buy on either

[cosmic grotto]

What's the point of money in the game? to buy equipment and nothing else? because I do nothing but accumulate and I don't see an interesting use for it.

[civic zodiac]

highroller cost 100 gold to enter. and gear do have good trade value. and high end area like inferno can hardly be mastered without very good gear.

[cosmic grotto]

I understand the point, but I feel that money should mark the goal of the game, earn 1000000 to become a noble or something, or buy a feudal estate or something, give a purpose to your actions. because if you kill inside a dungeon in order to kill in another dungeon....

or buy permanent health upgrades or whatever, I don't know, something that makes you feel like you're progressing by killing people in dungeons.

[granite plinth]

Gear is the progression

[civic zodiac]

well. the deeper you go the better the gear you get the better you are geared more efficient you are so it do matter for leaderboard climbing in ranked. theres tree skill coming that said to maybe become a money sink kinda things also legendary weapons gold chest and keys is where huge amount of gold get invested into rn. more is coming

[cosmic grotto]

the problem I see with this is that I find it much more interesting to go in naked and come out full of valuable junk, I guess when I play more hours I'll see the fun in upgrading equipment.

[jolly leaf]

Or a guild system where all player of the guild can spend gold to improve the Guilde Hall or get Guilde cosmetic. Or stuff like that

[jolly leaf]

Like a guild patern on your shield

[cosmic grotto]

it sounds nice, like a competition between guilds and clans, to win the favor of the king or some other medieval shit.

[jolly leaf]

Or like fee to pay to participate to guild vs guild event

[cosmic grotto]

I think the problem is that I'm a dirty rat and I don't like to gamble, I prefer to go in with the base team and come out thinking that I've made a 100% profit every time.

[jolly leaf]

Lots of stuff can be done. But they need time, and unfortunately there is more important thing to do now. Many core feature need to be improve first

[civic zodiac]

thats how u get rich

[cosmic grotto]

I think I'm going to save as much as I can and then I'm going to try to hunt trios of new players by myself, I guess it's a laudable goal and a good way to screw people's lives.

[civic zodiac]

want to screw peoples lives XD ambush them with a barbarian from a dark corner with achille strike.

[cosmic grotto]

6 days a week collecting scrap naked and then full armor to blow up poor bastards, I like it.

[civic zodiac]

when u know how to make gold its simple. naked bard + minimal luck jewelry and luck pot in highroller = u get back with full gear blue/purple and inventory full of stuff to a/h ending up in like 500-1000 gold profit per 6-10 min games

[opal forge]

Honsetly i like the game but like Legendary is way to pricey

like its 46 bucks for me to get it

[cosmic grotto]

30$ is not much for me, I have a personal theory that any game you buy, if every hour of gameplay has cost you less than 1$, is a good buy. And DaD offers more than 30 hours

[civic zodiac]

i have 1100 hour played yet XD

[cosmic grotto]

u paid 0.0272727272727$ per hour played, i think it is worth

[civic zodiac]

this game is amazing.

but even after 1100 hour played i am still bad XD i just dont die to pve anymore unless fked up situations XD

[cosmic grotto]

is the legendary worth it? is it for life or does it have to be renewed? What does it offer me? so a quick summary, in the game it says a lot of things and I don't understand even half of them.

[civic zodiac]

its forever. like buying the game .

[cosmic grotto]

enough, I will probably buy it. What a nice community, it's a rare thing to see on the internet.

[granite plinth]

Nah its not nice lmao

[civic zodiac]

was about to say XD. competitive games community are always shit usually rofl

[cosmic grotto]

I've asked about 5 questions, I've complained about things in the game being new and no one has insulted me, it's much more than what most communities offer ahahaha

[silent torrent]

Is archer just really bad? I feel like it just gets completely outclassed by melee weapon classes, maybe because the way the game is once someone is close to you, you can't really "run away".

[civic zodiac]

depend. well played they are beast. but they shine more with gear. with basic gear and not using positioning / knockback and stuff efficiently they are pretty hard to make it shine.

its like wizard*. wich i both suck hard while i play em Xd

use spear. its a very powerfull weapon.

if you outspeed ur oponen with a spear you can just poke them to death*

[forest lava]

Why did they put these fixed outputs? the game was really bad like that

[woven copper]

how the heck do you stop the beatles

I got hit by some beetle spell that just kept doing damage to me. How does one stop that?

[jolly leaf]

You can't it happen when you spend too much time ine the Crypt, that mean that you need to find an exit fast

[woven copper]

ohhh so they changed it to not be just a closing circle

[jolly leaf]

The other map have similar system

[jolly leaf]

Nop not anymore. The circle was to BR-ish and forced people in way of playing (you almost everytime have to PvP to get out). That's not the goal of this game since the beginning, the circle was kind of a place holder to this new system

[woven copper]

Does the new system still have extract stones? How rare are the 3 stones?

[jolly leaf]

I know for sure that Crypt have blue portal, Goblin cave had some too just before the wipe. Never seen one in ice cavern before and didn't play it enough since wipe to affirm they're is no portal. I don't know how rare they are tho. We'll need to figure that out in the next day

[glacial sphinx]

I think FTP needs to be rebranded as a demo version

[vapid hedge]

please add a druid class discussion chat

[civic zodiac]

it literally is a demo version rn and not a free to play version thats what some peoples complaining rn. they should add more flexibility on f2p players like 3 slot at least.

[elder sigil]

Let people use colored items in norms again

[agile inlet]

Suggestion to change the lantern shield for the better. Make the repost of the shield only 1 attack that is fast, medium DMG and short range. right now the shield repost feels too drawn out and slow and unlike the longsword which behaves almost 1 to 1 the shield (Right now) doesn't have the DMG to back it up.

[acoustic pagoda]

Suggestion to give each spell caster a form of meditate. Cleric gets a prayer that recovers spells when sitting and Druid gets natural recovery to get spells when sitting. End the sedentary lifestyle

[agile inlet]

👎 . a cleric with meditate is borken just take a look at multicalssing(MC)

[teal sundial]

Very W update devs. Game is consistent, glitches are minimal, new content added. Good job.

[ancient current]

Very fun update. I got some of my friends to try FTP!
We've been having a blast in normals---

I do think you guys should consider upping gear cap of normal lobbies to GREEN.

Ive heard quite a few complaints about not being able to use ANY of the gear that drops all the time in normals, especially if you cant trade or anything either. Selling them for semi-useless gold is a little feels-bad for the FTP players out there. Just my 2 cents 🙂

[signal vine]

we need a druid discussion channel

[vapid hedge]

there is one its just getting set up

[spice patio]

Hi guys, please take a look at my suggestion on the official dark and darker discussion board. It's about the Wyvern fight and how to make it better.
Link:

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/559529/change-wyvern-boss-fight-start-mechanic

If you agree with it, please give it an upvote. The Wyvern fight has so much potential, but I think the current implementation needs some work.

[hot stone]

I really think the steam page should be changed to show the game as £30, with a demo, rather than F2P
But equally it's kinda too late to make that change now

[gaunt parcel]

Nah. The game is F2P it's just that you have to pay to access HR and have more characters. They might change normals soon to allow better gear hopefully. But I feel like they should atleast add a thing saying that you have to pay £30 to access HR and other things

[hot stone]

How it is right now feels somewhat misleading, and while I don't doubt if they changed it, all the people currently complaining would find somethign else to complain about, it isn't ideal as is

Purely from a perspective thing,
A paid game with a demo, looks better than a f2p game with paywalls IMO
Even when they are functionally 100% the same

[gaunt parcel]

Yeah true. But it was only recently made f2p. It's been pay2play for the entire time it's been out it's only become f2p recently so maybe they haven't had time to change everything.

They've been extremely busy with bug fixes and this new patch so they probably forgot to update the store page especially since it's been a year since the store page was updated due to the drama

[hot stone]

Yeah true, but steam launch only happens once.

[gaunt parcel]

It's their 2nd cuz of past stuff that happened.

[hot stone]

Well yeah, but presuming similar stuff doesn't happen again, this is their last chance to make a good first impression

[gaunt parcel]

Yeah that's true. Hopefully they update the store page soon 🙂

[hot stone]

Yea hopefully.
Hyped to be able to switch to steam and nag a bunch of my friends to play it with me xd

[gaunt parcel]

Check dms ❤️

[ripe turtle]

I'm glad Ironmace managed to get DaD on both Steam and Epic. However, I'm not quite fond of the "free to play" option here. You see the free to play version is very limited to normals, 1 character and no market access. It feels more of a demo rather than free to play. Sure, I would like Ironmace to encourage people to buy the full version of the game, but this marketing free to play is kinda misleading, making people a bit frustrated about it.

[lavish obsidian]

The biggest issue is the limited character slots. 1 character is way to few to try out the game and decide if you want to spend 30 bucks on it.

[ripe turtle]

I'd say there should be 2 character slots. Why? Because if Ironmace can encourage people to pay the legendary edition of the game, then they already have 2 characters ready to share items with sharing stash. And besides, as RPG gamer myself I would like to have an option to try out other classes without deleting any characters to find the suitable class for me to have fun with. But just 2, any more than that and it's going down to microtransactions that are not cosmetics only anymore and that's not something I want.

[onyx current]

2 slots does sound reasonable for free trial. Lets you keep a 'main' while trying other classes on the 2nd slot. Honestly though, normals is plenty fun. HR is for the more hardcore peeps who want the challenge, the only issue is that greens and blues=unusable in normals, so no point to the stash in trial anyway since youll always be running full white Bis

[ripe turtle]

That's the point, normal dungeons are limited to poor and common quality items and you cannot use any better quality item you find from dungeons because of the "free to play" option. Again, it should be called "demo" and not "free to play".

[onyx current]

Id honestly be fine with a full f2p model too and with them giving those who bought the game extra red shards/cosmetics. Its my understanding everyone just wants the game to be alive at this point

Maybe a battlepass would be fun for them to make money instead, as long as it stays cosmetics, emotes, etc. Its been a winning business model for many games out there

Also buff lycan. 3vig< leather cap

[gaunt bane]

lol no, i play almost exclusively fighter since playtest 2

[meager jasper]

With the addition of significant stat bonuses to helms, I'm surprised they're doubling down on this design for lizards and lycans. These aren't good races imo, which is a shame because they're cool. They need a significant buff in order to be worth not taking head armour when now even in normals you can get a stat bonus from wearing something.

[gaunt bane]

they are good races for half naked barbarians, that's the whole thing. I'm glad they nerved agi scaling and ms loss from armor so we wont see as much nakeds kiting everyone meaning, that these races which were attracting this toxic meta are more of a meme now

[lavish obsidian]

Ye but you have to think from a new players perspective becuase during playtest you could try different classes without having to delete them. You having fun with just one class doesnt mean it isnt a flawed system and I think more players would actually buy the game if it didnt feel extremely forced to do so since it kinda destroys the trust the new players have in the devs future decisions

[gaunt bane]

as far as the "trying classes" is concerned i have a friend that does exactly that usually, like he's never sure what he wants to play so in mmos he straight up deletes characters just to start from 0 on new class and probably that's doable here too? it sucks to level again but its not like they'll unlock hr, and it does not take that long

[lavish obsidian]

Well fair, but having 2 or 3 more character slots for f2p would ease the negative user experience because no matter how you put it having to delete the character to try something else is not a positive thing

[fiery flower]

not gonna lie i kinda miss the zone closing things getting hectic pvp popping off

without the zone pushing people to the closing its toooooo easy

[crude hill]

i dont miss it but they could find a new method to force people to change rooms, something more immersive like random rooms collapse

[rare sandal]

sounds interesting

[quartz mauve]

we will can link our game with the Steam game?

[fiery flower]

soon but not atm

[quartz mauve]

ok thanks

[pastel ridge]

Wouldn't it be kinda cool if every adventurer has like a guild card? similar to tarkov's dogtag, we can retrieve people's guild card from their corpse and sell it. the price will differ based on the players' level

[rare sandal]

Honestly, I understand what IM is doing and love it, but calling it free to play is a terrible Idea PR wise they really have to change this asap and call it a test version or just go back to 10 day access or so.

[fiery flower]

i think they need to add something to force players to run into eachother again them removing the zone closing and pvp is rough and gets things stail quickkkk

[glacial sphinx]

yep its purely a messaging issue, people have a preset notion of free to play, and this is more like a trial/demo version

[rare sandal]

Yeah, been talking with my non DaD player friends, they did dl it and read some of the reviews and its just really hard to explain to them what is going on.

[fiery flower]

the first paragraph on the steam page explains it to a T

[rare sandal]

Its just not working well enough, people dont neccesarily read all that. And also alot of the reviews barely have any playtime and are obviously just haters from general chat pretending to be new players. But that adds to the confusion that new players have about it.

[dreamy hornet]

how do i get the legendary status i bought the game before

[meager jasper]

They need to extend normals to include greens. Right now it's a demo, but if they do that again there will actually be a measure of gear progression that's reasonable for non-paying players to use.

And I don't think greens in normies would be so bad now that at minimum we have stats on all items because of the junk gear changes.

[rare sandal]

I got a feeling thats where we gonna end up. They cant just revert, so its either changing the name from f2p to demo or what you just said. Thats probably not what they originally meant this to be, but could turn into a W in the end.

[meager jasper]

I also strongly think they should stop exclusively communicating here, and release an update on steam. Right now they're blundering communication and their image there to people who have no idea how the game has been the last while. This is a bubble, it's not the real platform they're selling to.

[sage hedge]

please remove the restriction on gear in normals. there is no point in looting gear or gold if i cant bring any of it into my next game. i used to play in previous early access releases and this was not the case before. please revert this change it is horrendous.

[civic zodiac]

ii like normal how it is right now. more balanced for pvp. but a gbmm like 0-100 and then 100+ could be great. so basic geared player play together and peoples with gear are all matched togethers also

[sage hedge]

f2p players cant play high roller so they basically cant put on this gear ever

[civic zodiac]

imo they should increase char slot to 3 and allow 1 hr game per day. so they can try it but to fully play the game they would need to purchase it. like a demo

rn it look like a half locked demo and not a free to play. theres way to improve it a lot

[glacial sphinx]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/559549/add-some-passive-spell-regeneration

[coral heron]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto @full tulip great job with the fame, 10 out of 10. you should add renown, make it show the total combined level of your account.

[left patrol]

Druid class discussion channel

[meager jasper]

Normal needs at least greens. Possibly blues. That is if they intend f2p to actually be something people play.

I'm really liking how druid feels now that I've got my hands on it, though. And the rotation and quest system also feels much less rough than it felt in past versions. Overall things are pretty good right now imo.

I expected a much rougher warlock-tier entry to the game. Warlock used to really really suck.

[idle shoal]

This has probably been brought up ad nauseum but a pve mode where you just queue up with friends or randos to spelunk is something i would enjoy. Can keep loot divided from the pve mode and pvp.

That or turn off friendly fire in the pve mode and juice mobs absurdly to make finding other players a welcome sight

[crisp pier]

Can we have a Druid discussion area in discord like other classes?

[gaunt bane]

you mean you used to suck? warlock is strongest class

[placid osprey]

I honestly don't like you can only use common or lower in normal dungeon. Feels like it dose not reward me for going in grabbing uncommon stuff to be just stached away unless i go high roll. I would be fine if it was like uncommon or lower

[mellow frigate]

The game has been tried with higher loot in normals many times, it only results in a bad experience of ungeared players getting stomped by minmaxed gear

[placid osprey]

even uncommon? i can see with higher then uncommon that it could been a issue

[meager jasper]

Yes. It used to be awful. When it was released it didn't have the whole dark-reflect thing, nor the ability to use any kind of good armour, and the magic wasn't very good. It was just a worse wizard when it was released imo.

[jolly leaf]

Really good answer

[placid osprey]

i just feel like there aint engoth veraity in normal

[elder stone]

i'd like to see uncommon gear allowed because of how extremely common green gear is now

[jolly leaf]

Yes even Uncommon have a really huge power gap with common gear. You can build a full damage or full hp build with green gear and you'll be way more powerfull than a full white

[jolly leaf]

Well, how many hour do you have on the game?

[meager jasper]

While true, I'd rather have there be progression within normals than there be a game mode with perfect balance. The progression is the game, and without it you'll play for a few hours then have nothing to do. The best an f2p player can do right now is swap between classes to get different experiences rather than actually play the game - and even that won't last for long.

[placid osprey]

I played a lot before it got removed from steam

[jolly leaf]

Ok ok, but you might still have new thing to learn, in inferno, ice abyss/ ice cavern, the boss etc etc. But I understand that even like that you can feel a lack of variety, but that's also kinda on purpose, they want you to buy the game xD

[placid osprey]

Thats what i want i don't care of perfect balance game i just want progression to be shown

[placid osprey]

Get that they want you to buy the game but it dose not have to suffer that much. people will buy it if they go full on high roll