q-and-a

[royal moat]

I literally just came to the discord to check if anyone else asked that questioned I just noticed that myself now.

[twilit heron]

Did you know this game is the best?

[hollow wraith]

Likely because of the plans for early access

[livid bloom]

Most likely we getting open beta / early access on early Q2 👀

[hollow wraith]

Early access is planned for April and next test is during steam next fest

!!!

[vapid wind]

have they said anything about proximity voice ?

[polar yoke]

not in a while, but previously they said it's on the way

[bright knot]

Are Tavern Masters the Warden leaders? And are their names in orange?

[prime venture]

you can check in #📜rules the meaning of the roles

[fallen zealot]

i think wardens just slide a d pic in an admins DMS for verification to get wardenship, anyone can do it

*ID

[quartz bear]

Its suspicious that you claim this.

[sleek lantern]

They said that it would be a fun addition and they will think about adding it in the future.

[hollow wraith]

Yeah, im not sure how I feel about it honestly

I think it'd be cool, but on the other hand its prox chat 💀

[quiet prairie]

Nothing breaks the fun like someone yelling rascist tirades over comms

[storm nova]

Q for wizards, do you guys run ignite and dagger or zap?

[magic cedar]

I did ignite in first half last playtest, solos seem to run zap as its less in their face. Ignite has its places with a dagger

[sick lotus]

Q for wizards, is there ANY reason to play staff? I wanna play book/staff simply cause it looks hella cool. The globe/dagger technique as secondary with book as primary seems a bit more useful to me but i just kinda dont like how the globe looks in the hand. Its not bad, its just that i personally prefer the others.

Alternatively i could settle for book/crys sword or staff/crystal sword

[magic cedar]

no, staff is by far the worst, sword is second worse but can work with a book/sword build

[sick lotus]

Im not looking to be hella powerful but more for an immersion/fun kinda look, where i have a staff and a sword like fking gandalf and use primarly utility spells

[magic cedar]

staff has bad animations, slow, and is in general bad.

that being said you can always make it work

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thats the benefit of this game

[sick lotus]

damn, ok. Thanks tho for the answer :]

[magic cedar]

find a good staff with some knowledge and good rolls, it will work fine enough unless you PvP a lot

[sick lotus]

I will probably try it then but i might tick to the book/sword build, because i also love the idea of the spellbook

[magic cedar]

yes so do i, spellbook art also looks dope

book/sword is probably the most versatile besides maybe a sword/ dagger ball

[sick lotus]

It would be hella cool if they could later on add a thing where the pages of the book fly around when switching to different spells.

Its probably kinda hard to implement and definitely not a focus rn as there are other more important things but if they make it so that only YOU see it and not the other players looking at you, it should probably be doable, right?

[magic cedar]

fr

I would hope for at least a few diff pages

and a randomizer as to which page you go to

just to look cool idk

[sand radish]

I always played dagger ball. Just felt by far the most flexible. If you got a fighter charging at you after you nailed him with a fireball and don’t have time to cast another spell just start shanking and you’re probably good

[sick lotus]

I agree that its definitely good but i just feel that its kinda weird to see an elegant wizard fking stabbing people hahah

Imagine like dumbledore stabbing someone in their throat bro lol

[sand radish]

Exactly they never see it coming lol. They’re like AHA I close the distance now I win and you just stab them in the head

[sick lotus]

I think the only way that the staff would be viable is if it made you like much much stronger than the other things. I dont know how to explain it but it cold make casting faster or more powerful generally. Now youre not as versatile or agile anymore but when you DO hit your fireballs, 2 are enough instead of 4

That kinda stuff. I would honestly still probably take him even if it was super hard to play with the staff if it had atleast SOME advantage. But i feel like that would feel unbalanced for other classes that play against him

[sand radish]

I agree if they wanted them all to be balanced, books could cast faster, staffs could have innate willpower on them and balls perk is obviously using a weapon in main hand. But I think they want staff to be objectively worse for some reason

[sick lotus]

lol probably but yeah totally agree with that

Maybe they plan on making the staff more of a weapon for clerics/druid when they get implemented. I doubt thats the reason but its a guess

[sand radish]

Oh huh didn’t even think about that yea

[magic cedar]

Yea if they changed the stats on the staff it would help, give wizard more play styles

[wheat light]

Right now all the torches start lit, is there a plan to have some of them not start lit so hiding in the darkness isn't so obvious?

[sick lotus]

There were multiple suggestion about that, i think. I think they dont have it planned bc its not so obvious but i totally agree on that with you

I saw once that the idea was downvoted but then another time it was super upvoted

[umbral spruce]

wish crystal sword was more viable tbh

[hollow wraith]

true, movement penalty is way too much

[umbral spruce]

movement + cast time + spell cancels from wall/floor hits

[hollow wraith]

yup

[sand radish]

Yeah that’s something else I forgot to mention, ball dagger gives you two stat sticks instead of one which is an insane advantage

[near forge]

how can me and my friends play test the game

[tawdry river]

You would just visit the store page and there will be a button to request access to participate in the playtest. Next playtest will likely be some time in February as mentioned previously.

[near forge]

the store page on steam?

[tawdry river]

Yep

[near forge]

thanks very much

and im assuming all my friends have to request

[tawdry river]

Yep. When I requested, I was given access immediately

[near forge]

oh cool

thanks

[slow topaz]

Was there any news on potential changes to the haste and invisibility spells for Wizard in the next playtest? Reductions in number of casts? thing like that?

[wicked summit]

i think as long as they dont stack its good

and get rid of that speed% with invs

[slow topaz]

agreed. make it harder for wizard to fully out maneuver every class. cause right now with haste ad invis nothing can really catch up to wizard beside an arrow. and its hard to hit those when you cant see the target

[ripe forge]

Would be nice to see your spell duration, wouldnt be against a concentration mechanic to limit spell potential hrm.

Be something like buffs require concentration, can cast multiple but moving shortens concentration so you can so buffs dont last as long hrm.

I still think wizard is in a good spot; For the lowest played class, with the highest skill ceiling. Its amusing to see everyone gripe about them.

[bright knot]

So, the first level will be a forest? Will that be inside or outside the dungeon?

[opaque zodiac]

Outside?

[bright knot]

The faq says there are 3 levels planned. Is that still the case?

[lost jetty]

did they fix ignite or was it intended, does it also scale if you buff team mates

[boreal thorn]

Last playtest was alledgedly the second and third levels

[desert igloo]

Ignite was fixed, it was applying twice the intended damage. And ignite scales off of your teamates will/magical power not your own (not 100% sure on this but I know it doesn't scale with your stats)

[lost jetty]

thx

[winged girder]

Did they fix ignite applying the Dot to spells or was that intended?

[desert igloo]

yes they fixed that as well

[dusky terrace]

Anyone use Arrow keys? D&D key config work for the arrow key user? Asking for a friend! 😄

[slow topaz]

It could work. But probably only if you also have a number pad next to it. That way you can use your abilities and switch between items. Would be kinda hard. Though if you have extra buttons on your mouse you could bind a few controls to them.

[wicked summit]

Wasn't that fix for smite because it was applying x2 the damage? Or was that both smite and ignite?

[spark galleon]

인게임 폰트 이름이 뭔가요? 다운받을수 있을까요? 유튜브 썸네일 제작하는데 사용하고 싶습니다.

[slow topaz]

English translation for text above ^
"What is the name of the in-game font? Can I download it? I want to use it to create YouTube thumbnails."

[cinder thistle]

May we donate money to the developers at this time?

[grim furnace]

I doubt that will accept money untill EA tbh

[wind wedge]

Does anyone know, if there has been any statements when the game will be open for purchase, or an steady open beta, i really like the game and the excitement between playtests are somewhat unbearable ! 😅

[slow topaz]

Early access has been projected for this summer at some point. We will probably know more after this next playtest.

[rain saddle]

Middle of this year

[wind wedge]

@rain saddle Thanks both of you! 🙂

[boreal meteor]

Will lobby/party building be improved in future? It was mundane and kinda insane to go through all online people and inviting them randomly one by one if someone didn't have connections from outside the game 😐

[slow topaz]

there are Looking for groups channels in the discord. you could use those.

[boreal meteor]

I know but is it convenient? No. Is looking for party outside the game a good UX? Also no. If it was then there would be no reason to have lobby at all xd

[hushed sparrow]

Is there a way to play this game right now

[cinder swan]

nope

[sturdy cosmos]

No

[hushed sparrow]

ty

sad

[sturdy cosmos]

Indeed

[distant elm]

Wait for 3 weeks

[hushed sparrow]

whats in 3 weeks

[gentle flax]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=when+is+the+next+dark+and+darker+playtest

[desert igloo]

it was both of them

[ripe forge]

I pugged most of last playtest, roughly 15 new random friends that were cool and probably played with more then 100 players.

[remote tiger]

Do I have to do anything specific for the next playtest or do I just go to steam during said playtest?

[magic cedar]

The latter

as far as we know

[hollow wraith]

Just go the next fest, it'll function the same as the previous

[grand valley]

How can I sign up for play testing

[ashen wharf]

you can sign up through steam, we're waiting for the next playtest

[grand valley]

ok thank you

[hollow root]

Can you signup right now, i thought the playtest had to be live

[ashen wharf]

it's a good question, i'm already signed up so idk

[hollow root]

you dont have to signup each playtest? last one was my first so im unaware

[ashen wharf]

nah unless they change how they are deploying

i played two through one steam signup

[high sphinx]

when is the full release? im tired of all these other games i want to enjoy dungeon crawling 😦

[slow topaz]

Fall of this year the game will be for sale on Steam. This Summer will be an Early Access version. And next month on the 6th to the 13th is the next playtest.

[high sphinx]

tyvm @slow topaz

[slow topaz]

Np

[steel pagoda]

ugh honestly thats a fat mood. nothing quite fills the void like dark and darker does

[high sphinx]

i sit here sometimes hoping some magic happens over night haha

[remote tiger]

but I did not attended the previous, so I would not know how it functioned

[remote tiger]

do I just go to steam during the test or must I do a thing?

[desert igloo]

Just go to steam, you should be able to request and get access right away

[final barn]

You cant request access until the playtest is active again afaik.

Atleast that’s how it was for some of my friends who had not played the first one but played the second/third.

[remote tiger]

kk thnx, ill have to wake up early on the 6th then

[neon flame]

Does DaD have an official Twitter account?

[prime venture]

yes

@IronmaceGames

[storm nova]

So are the magic missiles homing or why do they sometimes circle enemies

[desert igloo]

Magic missiles are homing but only if they just barely miss an enemy, then from that point they home in on them but can also be stopped because they collide with something else.

[opaque zodiac]

Their homing is far from perfect

[ripe forge]

its pointer tracking as the spell is released. Most cases you aim first two, and lead rest.

If you want to be a master wizard you put one in the head, one in the chest, and lead the legs.

[neon flame]

ありがとう　ty

[runic warren]

Magic Missile actually homes in on the crosshair. In other words, so long as you keep your target in your crosshair, your missiles will "miss" but will then auto-aim after the target

[lusty cloud]

woah really? can't wait to try this out

[cyan stratus]

When is the next play test?

[stable marten]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=when+is+the+next+dark+and+darker+playtest

[sturdy cosmos]

Do skeletons have extra weakness against fire type spells? Like ignite dmg or fireball

[stable marten]

No extra or less damage from specific elemental types that i'm aware of, honestly i'm not even sure if elemental damage types have been implemented

They do have some magic resist and projectile protection though to kind of balance ranged damage to be more in line with melee damage

[slow topaz]

6th of February. in 20 days

[sturdy cosmos]

Question on leveling. If I grind spider mummies and then die without extract. Do I get some, all, or no experience?

And does anyone remember about how much it is per level to level-up

[rugged axle]

You get some xp even if you die

[sturdy cosmos]

Ok nice. Do u know how much xp about is needed for lvl 15?

[rugged axle]

Idk any precise numbers on xp or VA

[sturdy cosmos]

All good. Thanks tho

[hot crown]

Can you actually grind XP on spider mummies?

[ripe plume]

To reinstate on what Kenneth said, the next playtest is planned to be around February, 6th of February is Steam's Next Fest starting date. It's not confirmed but that's when they actually plan to run the next playtest. See more in #📢announcements for updates

[sturdy cosmos]

I think so yea

[icy hollow]

how much will the game cost?

[sturdy cosmos]

10k gold coins, 30k silver coin, 333 CC

[slow topaz]

the company does not have a price decided on at the moment. they will probably announce one during or right before early access is released. they said in a Q&A that they wanted to look more at the prices of other games in the genera and go from there. so imo probably around 15 to 30 USD. not sure where your from so I used my native currency. hope that helps.

[lean saffron]

new world was $40. this game will be 20x as fun as new world. so imo it will cost approximately $800.

[slow topaz]

so true. 1k for dark and darker. a small price to pay for salvation

I could absolutely see the value of the game being like 40-50 as well. 100% was low balling the price.

[jade magnet]

i they release now at 500£ (cant find euro on keyboard) ill prob buy it and cry later

[slow topaz]

so true.

[gloomy elbow]

1K Aud seems about right

[shut scaffold]

@sturdy cosmos I don't think you can grind the spiders The XP is gained by destroying the source of spawned creatures

[shrewd phoenix]

do we have an update of what will be new with this playtest?

[slow topaz]

A few things are mentioned in the Q&A that was done in #dev-qna-archives other than that there are other Q&A in streams and on yt

[normal isle]

How do I sign up/download the game for the playtest?

[slow topaz]

Wait for the next playtest to start and install the game on steam.

[wintry helm]

30 bucks EA imo

[inner lodge]

is there any system currently in place to download and play an offline build to help bugfind or anything of that nature while we are waiting for steams NextFest for the next online playtest?

[radiant chasm]

will there be a friends list in the next playtest? It was hard to remember all my friends character names.

[viral arrow]

it'll come eventually, we dont know yet what next playtest adds

[narrow pelican]

There any plans to open game as early access?

[desert igloo]

The last thing we were told by devs was that the plan is to release early access Q2 2023, but that isn't 100% confirmed

[pseudo pendant]

Guys, was there any information on your life anti-cheat for the game? And how it will be impossible to play Tarkov normally in the future.

[stable marten]

has their been any word on when they plan to release b1 in a playtest? I haven't seen anything on a time frame for an expected release so far so wondering if anyone had info on it

[thorny schooner]

Early Access means pre-purchase of a game so you can play earlier?

[desert igloo]

They haven't released any details yet, but most likely something similar to that yes

[shell niche]

Does the new hasbro OGL influence the further development of Dark & Darker?

[primal root]

when was this game coming back?

[open cove]

That is a really good question and Hasbro better just F.O.

[primal canopy]

So far they’ve walked backed OGL 1.1 for now.

[normal rapids]

imagine thinking you own a genre tho

[primal canopy]

But inside a leaked email said they would release it after the controversy died down.

[primal canopy]

It doesn’t apply to a genre, it applies to a long list of specific DnD things.

[normal rapids]

tomato tomato

[primal canopy]

Tomato to a hammer more like it….

[slow topaz]

Dark and Darker should be safe as it doesn't use anything that Hasbro and WOTC have actual copyright over.

[primal canopy]

Specific spell names and wordage.

[slow topaz]

true. their could be

[loud epoch]

None of those

[primal canopy]

?

[loud epoch]

There are no spell names and wordages that would endanger the game from WoTc. And if there were, it is easily fixed. I'd rather worry about abbreviation (D&D) than anything else.

[primal canopy]

That falls under wordage.

[umbral snow]

is the date for next playtest already confirmed ?

[idle lily]

Have the devs said anything about the UI being improved? The biggest annoyance to me right now is looting stuff and having to mouse over what you're looting and what you have, so you can compare the stats.

[runic warren]

I'm assuming no. The best way to grind XP is to go down to the Inferno level every round and kill stuff down there. In fact, even if you go down to B3 and die to the first enemy you encounter, you still get some good XP just for using a Down portal.

[opaque zodiac]

Spider mummies don’t give xp, the spawners do, iirc. You do keep xp from killing mobs whether or not you die, portalling is better xp though as mentioned above. Looting is good xp also

[tired sluice]

will proximity chat be a thing?

[austere thistle]

yea apparently its asked all the time

[magic cedar]

I as well as others have had highly upvoted suggestions for that specific UI change. Things will come in time most likely

[wispy parcel]

do you have to actually use them or does merely the act of opening a portal give bonus xp

[hidden sparrow]

hey so whats the exact day in february when the next playtest comes out

[hardy ingot]

Have they said anything on if we get to KEEP and use our Skeletons from the start of next PT?

[sharp mango]

no the skins wont transfer

[hidden sparrow]

whens the next playtest

[hardy ingot]

They doing more skins then?

@sharp mango where did you see/hear they won’t roll into next PT?

[sharp mango]

if you go to QNA and look through SDF's anwsers someone asked that exact question and i beleive his response was "sadly no"

@hidden sparrow check announcements for dates

[hardy ingot]

@sharp mango well the person asked if they get the Skins on release of the game. Not next PT. So not sure if that’s a no for My question.

[magic cedar]

Check the Announcements. As of now most likely 10 am pacific time feb 6

[timber mist]

As of right now everything, including skins are simply being tested.
If anything is ever to be carried over we will make it clearly known 🙂

[upper wolf]

Is the next playtest dates confirmed yet ?

[cold adder]

Guys, somebody can help me with some explanations? In statistics screenshots I saw one variable TotalDownCount, what that mean? Players go deeper in to the b3?

[untold drift]

It was confirmed just in past year. 6 feb.

[burnt badger]

will the game be f2p ?

[wraith edge]

Probably not.

[unique shuttle]

i hope not, they deserve all the monies in the world for creating this masterpiece

when i first saw this game on youtube, i was like "ps2 graphics? turtle movement speed?"... but then i played it and it changed my whole perspective on games

this game manages to make me adrenaline sweat like no other game

[desert smelt]

if only it were as easy to run as a ps2 game

[quartz bear]

Check out their youtube channel, they tested the game on some joystick controller that I am not tech savy enough to recognize on glance.

[hardy ingot]

Yup just want to see If I’ll Be TESTING my Sexy RED BONES Feb 6th! An that torch was just too Nice!
🪓🤣🤘

[shell niche]

Question Exp System:
I got the Impression that you get exp only if you either hit the target. For example the Cleric, if you play support gets little none.
There is no such thing as group shared exp? Is that true?

[sharp mango]

@cold adder yes that i believe is the stat for amount of down portals taken

[opaque zodiac]

No shared XP, you need to kill the target. Pick up loose loot and portal; as a cleric play solo and use a solo xp-farming build so you’re more effective in team play.

[sharp mango]

@shell niche killing looting, but most importantly escaping will get you loads of exp

[shell niche]

I just expierenced that during the last playtest i leveled so slow compared to a fighter. Idk i think if i buff someone and he makes a kill you should get some exp for it.

[sharp mango]

clerics in most cases will because your supporting the frontline who is mopping up exp from pve and pvp, try being more aggressive in your groupings and ask to lead the line to farm exp

[mild glen]

#📢announcements

[echo ridge]

how much base damage does the punch do (normal fist attack) without any buffs?

[sharp mango]

completely dependent on stats

[grave jungle]

any confirmed dates yet?

[sharp mango]

none

[pseudo pendant]

Guys, was there any information on your life anti-cheat for the game? And how it will be impossible to play Tarkov normally in the future.

[lusty cloud]

they did mention they're working on anti-cheat, i think they're also considering EasyAntiCheat

[lusty cloud]

a lot depends on strength and stuff, a barbarian punches much harder than a wizard

[echo ridge]

how much does barb punch no gear do?

[hot crown]

Probably have to wait to next beta and run down the tavern to hit the dummy if you wanna find out unless someone noted those down :D

[pseudo pendant]

@lusty cloud Yes, if there is a battle eye, then the game is considered dead, it's sad. there will be a bunch of cheaters, I hate it.

[lusty cloud]

we all do fam, but there is a section here on the discord where you can report them, best we can do as a community

under report-wicked

[quartz bear]

I am not sure but ive seen it half peoples HP so maybe 40?

[lusty cloud]

i vaguely remember 35dmgto the head as a punch but i don't remember if they were base gear

[echo ridge]

i read somewhere that its 20dmg to body but i was not sure about that as it didnt seem right

[quartz bear]

two clerics buffing a drunken raging barbarian sounds fun.

[echo ridge]

thats not it, at least 1 wiz for haste

[quartz bear]

Nah we dont need any of that. Two clerics and we are set.

[slow topaz]

cleric buffs dont stack though. you really only need one cleric

[grave jungle]

@slow topaz do you mean that the same type of buff do not stack, or do you meant that if you use different types of buffs on the same person the latter will replace the previous one?

[slow topaz]

same buff spell doesnt stack

if its different spells it works. but you really need only one cleric to get all the buffs

[quartz bear]

Two clerics still better. Heals stack and both can tank if barb slackin

[slow topaz]

that is true, if its about keeping the barb at full health and with max buffs then yeah. two clerics is best. I was just saying that it could be done with only one cleric

[quartz bear]

Thinking about it let’s just go triple cleric.

[slow topaz]

so true. cleric is all you need.

[open meadow]

is there going to be any kind of cosmetic armor? like for example if i wanted my character to wear a great helm instead of an armet.

[cinder thistle]

One cleric is enough, but two give 2 buffs in the time of 1 buff.

[mild glen]

Unfortunately EAC is really bad

[lusty cloud]

Easy2Cheat

[slow topaz]

EAC would be a temporary fix for them im sure

[sand radish]

Think they’ve said one of their biggest concerns is anti cheat and they are going to invest heavily in it, as well as being active with reports

[slow topaz]

They also did a ban wave on all known hackers from the last playtest too

[runic warren]

but why do that when you can rock three drunken cleric unarmed builds

[gloomy shore]

can i check what settings i got in darkanddarker? need to know a what resolution i was playing xd

[quartz bear]

Ive already said, three clerics is better.

[runic warren]

honestly, Cleric is kinda OP. The only thing that's ass is the lack of ranged options for players

[quartz bear]

Molotovs and judgment do well with me just fine.

[runic warren]

Judgement is better treated as a melee spell IMO. There are a couple scenarios where you can take advantage of the range, but it's just a free hit for your enemy if you try to use it as a "Ranged" option.

I keep forgetting about Molotovs/Lanterns, though.

[quartz bear]

You can hit someone with judgement without ever getting into melee range though. I don't think you are using it as optimally as you can.

[runic warren]

4.5 meters is NOT particularly far. I'm not saying that it's bad; I'm just saying you sort of have to treat it like a melee weapon instead of a ranged one.

My main problem with Judgement is that it's too finnicky to use. Since moving cancels it instantly, trying to pop it with any reasonable amount of speed is impossible atm

[quartz bear]

@runic warren With enough practice im sure you will get a hang of it.

[runic warren]

I just wish it auto-rooted you while you were casting the spell, with the only other option to cancel being "F" like other skills. Magic Missile is also cancelled while moving, but it doesn't have this problem in the first place because only the spell is cancelled when moving, not the cast itself

Also, I don't think Judgement is as good as Smite, personally

[quartz bear]

Same. I did way more damage with smite since my main method as a solo cleric was just giving myself 5 different buffs before a fight.

[runic warren]

Cleric melee? Garbage.

Cleric melee while under six active effects? Better start praying to whatever god you worship, cause you're getting the express ticket right to em

[burnt badger]

When is the next playtest?

[quartz bear]

Feb 6-13 not 100% confirmed.

[burnt badger]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-animated-lazy-sleepy-cute-gif-17741860

[quartz bear]

Yes, this is my job as cleric. Send them to [insert DaD deity].

[opaque zodiac]

You’ll see exact time when it pops up in #📢announcements

[random rover]

Hey I heard that in the next play test there was going to be no item wipe is that true?

[stable marten]

I haven't heard anything like that, they haven't done item wipes mid playtest but you don't keep gear between them. I'd imagine they'll keep doing that until release

[slow topaz]

there will probably be wipes even after release. for balance. or maybe there will be some other method. idk

[next edge]

They said they planned on having seasonal wipes

[stable marten]

^

[slow topaz]

👍

[thorny sundial]

I have a feeling rangers next playtest are gonna be totally different those stats are insane for how many rangers killed the bosses

[slow topaz]

well most of the bosses were just easier to kill from range. so it makes sense that rangers did the most

[sturdy cosmos]

They could just give the bosses an anti-range shield that either breaks or has a timer. So only melee or maybe magic can engage until the shield is down. Then rangers

Lets other classes get last hit more often

[empty badge]

pretty sure all wipes are clean slate, since they would need fresh accounts too see item progression when making loottable changes

playtests*

[sturdy cosmos]

Yea they are full wipes

[ripe plume]

They need to make a boss that punishes ranged characters

[slow topaz]

I think anti-ranged shields like that were suggested above would be the best option. or adding a stage to the bosses that made them take reduced ranged damage and increased melee to encourage melee fighting as well

[lime tendon]

any email where I can send my resume??

[white lion]

not sure if this has been asked yet, but will the skill tree be available this patch?

[slow topaz]

It is unlikely. will probably be implemented during early access this summer. there will most likely be the start of the quest system available though

[languid oyster]

they said there might be a bare bones version of the skill tree the next play test

they said that in the Q&A btw who knows if itll actually happen

[slow topaz]

^ This is better put than what I said lmao

[glass axle]

yeah ranged is way too good and with fighters penalty to weapons like the bardiche for some reason why even play him when every other class is better at it than him lol

[quartz bear]

Does anyone know of anywhere I would be able to find the dragon art for the highroller thumbnail?

[hoary moat]

never noticed that penalty, do you recall what it was?

would explain some weird shit lmao

[quartz bear]

-20% damage reduction from weapon master penalty if you are using weapons not directly tied to your class.

[glass axle]

the weapon "master" perk

For some reason instead of just nerfing ranged weapons with it which is fair and makes sense, it nerfs all weapons not used by the fighter tag

and it sucked since i was a fighter main

barb is in a great spot however

using a felling axe pretty much fixes him for anything

but ranger and wizard are the best 2 right now

cant wait for next play test to see the changes

[hoary moat]

Right, that one. 20% did seem quite steep

[hoary moat]

Never really saw wizards outside of high roller, I think their use is tied to gearsets honestly. Rogues were everywhere though.

[normal bobcat]

Is the character ID system final?
Wouldn't it make more sense to connect a steam account and allow for more unrestricted character names?

[bright knot]

Rogue's can only use daggers and rapiers?

[glass axle]

Id say wizard is one of the least gear dependent but with it hes a god

very versatile and deadly if your good

[glass axle]

I think so yeah

[hoary moat]

I think so, but the damage and poison perks melted people when combined

I never tried it but I wonder if wizards ignite could be stacked with them, that'd be insane

[bright knot]

Why are some regular usernames white and some are dark blue?

[late void]

#1026916693806686208

[prime venture]

Hi, you can assign a role yourself in #1026916693806686208

[bright knot]

Also @late void Thanks. I'll need to wait until I try more classes before I give myself a role.

[prime venture]

Understandable 👍

[young current]

will there be oceanic servers in the next play test?

[echo ridge]

Game is in playtest so probably not final

[winged girder]

I thought there was oceanic servers already. I may be wrong tho

[winged girder]

It does stack. But the damage ignite gives is based off the persons willpower not the wizards. So I don't think it is that great. Cleric +10 weapon damage would outshine it for every class but wizard id think

[sharp mango]

@bright knot rogues get the rapier as well as an option

[timber wigeon]

do we already have a date for february's playtest?

[ripe plume]

Yes, as said in #game-discussion please keep questions only to one channel.

[fierce totem]

Do you have plans to release the api?

[livid ice]

How much bjs do i need to give the devs to get 10 min playtime

[ripe plume]

@livid ice No NSFW comments, Thanks!

[ripe plume]

I am not a dev, but I do think there is an answer to that in #dev-qna-archives I'm not too sure

[slow topaz]

[karmic meadow]

when playtest?

[rough falcon]

playtest

Playtest Information

Playtests are announced in the #📢announcements channel. Currently the next playtest will be within the dates of Steam Next Fest, but exact dates are still TBA. Upon the start of the playtest you will be able to download and install the playtest for free on the Dark and Darker steam page here! https://store.steampowered.com/app/2016590/Dark_and_Darker/

Don't forget to check the #❓faq channel for the answers to frequently asked questions!

[ripe plume]

The Steam Next Fest runs from February 6th to February 13th, that is the most likely date.

[fierce totem]

Are there any plans to release APIs?

[ebon bone]

What’s the difference between a spell book, staff, and Crystal ball

[slow topaz]

hitboxes. staff and sword are more likely to have collision with objects and cancel the spells

[grim furnace]

Everything including damage! Spells books means you can only have spellbook in Hand so you
Crystal ball means u can use a dagger
Crystal sword also is a différent play style

[fierce totem]

no answer were there T_T

[ripe plume]

There is probably no real answer yet then. Unless I'm mistaken.

[fierce totem]

i wanna get API...

[jade horizon]

Does dual wield perk for fighter work for sword and shield?

[slow topaz]

dual wield is for two weapons. not weapon and shield.

[magic cedar]

Try it with dagger and arming sword, or two axes

[burnt badger]

is there a way i can financially support dark and darker?

[sharp mango]

a hefty donation of patience is all they are asking of the moment, they want to avoid "outside influence"

[ripe plume]

Although, they do have plans for something like a Kickstarter

This is stated in #dev-qna-archives

[bright knot]

I know they were thinking about Kickstarter, but would that be before EA?

[ripe plume]

I'd say It would come with EA, seems pretty plausible to me

[bright knot]

I don't think that's it. They're reading the suggestions. I think they just want to stick with their planned deadline for full release by the end of the year, and if they start EA earlier than planned they'll need to postpone full release.

[grim furnace]

not really cause the team is expending

[bright knot]

Their reason for not having PT/EA earlier is because they want to use all their resources for dev right now.

[grim furnace]

Thats just a guess we cant know it right now, it seems plausible to me htat they are expending the dev team to make an EA and reach their goal

[bright knot]

It's not a guess.
#the-tavern message

[grim furnace]

mmh u gave me a wrong link?

[slow topaz]

"Graysun — 01/10/2023 4:55 AM
The game is not released because it is not ready to be released.
It may be easy to say "Its perfect right now just let us play"
From a developer standpoint we can see a much clearer view looking under the hood.
It is not ready, when it is we will put it up for Early Access."

thats what the link goes to

[bright knot]

The link confirms what I said. Graysun gave the reason we can't have PT/EA sooner. It's not because they want to avoid outside influence.

[grim furnace]

Ah i didnt see the word "earlier" ...

mb 😦

[sharp mango]

@bright knot i was talking about funding m8 not suggestions and feedback

[remote sinew]

would the game have wipes?

[slow topaz]

devs said seasonal wipes 👍

[remote sinew]

thx

[hoary gazelle]

He answered someone elses question who asked in relation to his answer to your question. 🤔

[sharp mango]

oh my b gs sorry

[hoary gazelle]

Oh nvm actually, ur right to begin with ill see myself out.

[slow topaz]

lmao

everyone lost in the convo

[ripe plume]

@slow topaz I would just like to say thanks for helping out users in #q-and-a 😄

[prime venture]

approved

[slow topaz]

no problem. I spend way too much time on here waiting for next playtest anyway lmao.

[ripe plume]

It is very appreciated

[slow topaz]

😁

[stone cedar]

When is next play test

[slow topaz]

6th of febuary to the 13th of febuary is the current most likely date but it is subject to change if the devs run into problems

[slow topaz]

bruh

lmao

[burnt badger]

why was my question deleted 😦

[slow topaz]

this is a gaming server my guy.. what you mean why?

[fresh dawn]

this is not the place to do that, please don't go to multiple channels to spam it either, thank you

[bright knot]

Anyone think it's a good idea to have a month long playtest starting Feb 6?

[lost coyote]

Do you guys plan on having some extremely rare and powerful loot with 0.001% of dropping or some % like that?

[slow topaz]

its best for the devs to keep it too a week so they can continue to focus on the games development. if they ran the servers for a whole month it would delay the Early Access even further. and subsequently the games release would be pushed back

[slow topaz]

The game already has Unique Grade items (gold). those are pretty powerful. I would hope for the sake of casual players that nothing stronger gets added as that would discourage them from playing as it would be next to impossible to fight a player with a higher than unique grade item/items.

[lost coyote]

i mean loot like in games like wow or mu online, where extremely good loot was available at any level at any map , but it drops 1 out of 100.000 skeletons killed. Its extremely exciting when something like that happens even if happens to 2% of the playerbase and once their life time only. And it wont be overpower becauses that item will be available to only 0.1% of the playerbase

[slow topaz]

true. guess well have to see what the devs say. they will probably do another q&a after this next playtest so you could ask them there

[thick egret]

to be fair i have seen people lose purple and orange tier loot by lower levels it is possible

[slow topaz]

oh 100%. but it takes a lot of luck and timing.

also I hope a few more changes to the player spawns happen. there are like 2 or 3 spawns on the map that make it really easy for players with longer load times to get spawn rushed. maybe that was the devs intentions idk. but it felt a bit dirty. even when I was the one rushing lol

[lost coyote]

also in that way D&D really separates from other game , in other games like any mmo , items and stats tops all , the guy with better gear always wins , here in D&D gear doesnt secures anybody from dying.
So extremely good gear isnt something gamebreaking here

[slow topaz]

agreed. from what I've seen positioning, team coordination, and timing are king

as well as map and game knowledge

[lost coyote]

and a bit of luck, things go south so quickly in a bad roll of a dice, few more skeleton here and there , circle closing in and its a wrap

[slow topaz]

100%

[bright knot]

Is there an illusion spell that makes enemies see copies of you?

[slow topaz]

Not in the game. might be something the devs add though. I know they want to expand the spell list a bit more

though invisibility does leave behind a glowing white outline of the player for a single second when activated

[green needle]

hey is there a known date for the next playtest? i was thinking it was coming up here in febuary but i cant find any pinned dates or announcements relating to that

[desert igloo]

most recent announcement says during steam nextfest which is feb 6th

[green needle]

noice

is it gonna be super long? itd be cool to have more time to play than last time, esp since alot of the content made for the game by creators didnt get posted till after the playtest was over

[lost jetty]

1 week, until 13th

content made wasn't posted until the playtest was over because people wanted to play the game and edit after, since the playtest is pretty short

[sonic oasis]

Will the new playtest add new stuff ?

[opaque zodiac]

Not confirmed

[pure tide]

I can confirm it is, cant say how I know but I know.

[opaque zodiac]

That new stuff will be added? Sdf said in #dev-qna-archives that it will probably just be bug fixes

I mean, I hope you’re right but also

[pure tide]

most likely we will get a solid build, nothing to experimental 🙂 for the steam fest
they want a smooth test right

[opaque zodiac]

Yeah exactly

[pure tide]

we can all wait a little longer, as Ubisoft is cancelling games monthly, east it mostly just making mmos, everyone else fck knows
so yeah we can defo wait for Ironmace to make a quality game

[bright knot]

Would it be possible to design a spell that made a player look like an enemy temporarily?

[bright knot]

I don't care about a smooth test. I'd like to try new stuff out. This is a playtest. Nobody should expect it to be perfect. I can live with bugs for now. I'd rather they work on the training tree so we can test it. That'll add a whole new dimension to this game.

[pure tide]

yeah, copy mesh

[tawdry shale]

Will they be implementing the training skill tree this playtest?

[grim furnace]

We actually dont know what feature will be implemented in this playtest, but we hope so! Tho check #📢announcements in the next few days cause we may have more info soon !

[tawdry shale]

Cool

[dense lotus]

How much do you guys intend the game to be on launch

[main rune]

money

[winged girder]

32000 bottlecaps

[distant elm]

Can bosses see you when you use a invisibility potion

[slow topaz]

No, but sometimes the ai will still complete their attack against you if it had already started the animation before you went invisible.

[lusty cloud]

a lot of people think 30-40USD, if kickstarter has tiers i personally want to support with more

[fair zodiac]

this may be true

[desert smelt]

I kinda wanna chime in on this idea
in a game as slow-paced as this one, adding items of that rarity and power would result in mmo-tier grinding and optimization for people to get their hands on it

not only that, but adding something that rare will inevitably result in some people wanting to pay real money for it, which equates to real-world-trade and all of the messes that that entails

and, all it takes is one duping exploit to absolutely ruin the value of the item

it could lead to a lot of problems, and it depends on if you think the dopamine that 0.001% of players will feel is worth the hassle

[thick egret]

there is already a unique item tier which is gold so its already in game and its powerful and rare

duping could be a issue to deal with if players find out but you could easily have a system to where if u find a unique item its soulbound so its not tradeable

or if it is it has the original person who owned it

[desert smelt]

I know unique tier exists, but I don't know if it's that rare

[thick egret]

its pretty rare

[desert smelt]

or if you could consistently get it through high roller bossing

[thick egret]

like actually really rare

you can consistently get legendaries

in high roll

[desert smelt]

getting it once every 1000 attempts is very different from getting it once every 3 attempts

[thick egret]

(orange)

also people are gonna spend money to trade for even purple items

i dont doubt once early acess happens

there will be a black marker

market

thats just unavoidable

[desert smelt]

you'd rather keep it to a minimum, rather than give even more reason for it to happen

an item that only takes like
a couple hours of playtime is not worth a lot of money

an item that takes dozens of hours of grinding like in MMOs is absolutely worth money

[thick egret]

eh

that depends

cuz in a game where u die once

and lose everything

people dont want to pay as much

for a rare item

[desert smelt]

I'm just saying that you'd rather avoid it if possible

[thick egret]

even if its the rarest

i dont think its that bad

and even if it was that rare

people would most likely want to keep it

rather than just sell it

[desert smelt]

I do wonder if uniques will go the PoE route
where they have specific, consistent stats
randomly found weapons can theoretically be better but the uniques offer a consistent effect, or even a unique element you can't find elsewhere

like imagine a barb axe that does magic damage instead of phys damage

[thick egret]

oh i hope so

that sounds amazing

[desert smelt]

this game has a lot of potential in terms of drawing ideas from poe

like currencies that can modify equipment OR be used to trade

with the gambling aspect of "you could lower the item's rarity or get modifiers you don't want"

[frosty charm]

Spirit axe, with an ethereal blade

[desert smelt]

although that might contribute to the RWT issue, because people will just buy currency to re-roll items until they get the best mods, rather than playing the game to find it naturally

[frosty charm]

Any plans to allow molotovs or lanterns to be purchased

[prime venture]

these are some nice discussions to be discussed about possible suggestions and feedback in #suggestion-discussion

[lost coyote]

good point , i think it should be done maybe in this way.
The item has 0,01% rarity and althrough the item itself is better than any other in the same level example : a golden rapier. It doesnt need to be super overpower it can be just +3 dmg better than any other rapier. And maybe have a different swings.
Basicly what i am trying to come up with its an unique item not overpower and very unique, to capture that feeling of special items that MMOs used to have. The item can be something to show off, like a cooking pan or something vintage that only lucky bastards can have . Something that when someone sees it they stop in their track completely shock saying " omg he has the ghost sword! O.O"
Also talking about "only 0.01% players" part you said.
Player that dont have the item also experience the item , the idea of existing, the desire to get it , i remember playing wow i was obssesed with an epic axe than almost nobody had and i althought i didnt got it , it really made me wonder and push me to play more and more desiring that item , added to my senses of wonder and fantasy.

[abstract robin]

does anyone know if zap stacked burn or just reset the duration?

[runic warren]

I assume it stacks with Fireball, since it's a different spell

[warped ivy]

heres to hoping it'll cost only $250.

[sturdy cosmos]

It’s the same status effect. I don’t think it stacks. The spell is different and the type is different but the status is the same

[prisma marsh]

Questiom spawns will be changed during next test or should we expect that during EA.

[bright knot]

Whats the starting gear quality?

[gritty flicker]

"Junk" I believe

[bright knot]

They should just price the final game based on the total amount of content they have planned for the final release. Ofc maybe the kickstarter is discounted.

[bright knot]

Do you know how much damage a junk Rondel dagger did? I think it was around 16.

[gritty flicker]

14 off the wiki

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Weapons

[bright knot]

Thanks. I was having trouble finding that.

[indigo phoenix]

Whens next playtest going to be approximately?

[gritty flicker]

feb 6th I think

[lyric thunder]

i dont think its been 100% confirmed though, but they hinted towards it being during nextfest

[low flower]

So let me get this right, ignite applies its damage bonus to other spells?

[grim furnace]

yep but not the burn

[desert igloo]

This was fixed, at least for magic missile, as in it doesnt apply at all to magic missile and I'm assuming other spells

[grim furnace]

Ah mb

[low flower]

What if the spell has no damage at base such as slow?

[desert igloo]

Im 99.99% sure it wouldnt apply but I never tested it, if it does i'd assume it was a bug

[grim furnace]

Nah it wonbt do damage

[low flower]

I would have assumed the two would work together if such is the case for all other spells.

[grim furnace]

Idk cause in my memory it was +5 magic damage so it would make sens that it adds damage to spell too

[storm nova]

are most items that give percentage buffs bad? I feel like i'd rather just have flat bonuses rather than percentage

[lost jetty]

I'm not lucky enough to choose and good enough to not keep losing stuff I'll just get what I can

[slow topaz]

percentage buffs are much lower value and will hopefully be increased in the future.

[neon hawk]

What are the advantages of having a play test during Steam Next Fest events? Marketing seems like the obvious answer, but other games are also marketed, so it could hurt player attraction no? Is there another incentive?

[storm nova]

i believe it just a coincidence that the playtest is near the nextfest

[neon hawk]

Oh I disagree. SDF occipital announcement said it would likely be during next fest which is designed for upcoming game demos. Seems planned to me.

[storm nova]

okay true

[desert igloo]

percentages got increased near the end of the last playtest, and I think they were worth it for most stats

[storm nova]

ah okay ty

[ripe plume]

It could be earlier or later. Very likely It will be during Steam's Next Fest.

[neon hawk]

@ripe plume I’m curious what the advantages are for ironmace to do it during the event. It seems like they had strong viewership without steam marketing. Curious what other incentives there are.

[grim furnace]

Its simple tbh: more people will be aware of the playtest since its an event of steam itself

[ripe plume]

Their major incentive is probably their own ETA aligns closely with it, so It's nice to release at the same time as an event

[wispy lance]

out of curiosity who deigned the models or did they come from a weblink to pay and download? and what engine is used to run the game?

[prime venture]

I only know that the game is running on Unreal Engine 5 🙂

[ripe plume]

Unreal Engine and certain assets from Polygonmaker I believe.
Here's an example:
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/8905be9d83284cbfa988ae8bf078e682

[wispy lance]

Cool thanks

[pure pilot]

Guys any idea if i can have stable 144 fps with ryzen 5 5500 and RTX 3060?

[ripe plume]

Very likely but please don't post this question once, in one chat, thanks.

[burnt badger]

when is next beta ?

[slow topaz]

February 6th to the 13th is most likely date

[quiet ivy]

is there a list we need to sign up to for potential access ?

[ripe plume]

Nonono, you will be able to just open it on steam and install when the playtest is up

[bright knot]

What could be different about the Kickstarter from EA? I've kickstarted board games, but never video games. Do they usually come with any bonuses?

[lusty cloud]

in the past ive seen kickstarters with bonus cosmetics, passes to future content, physical artsy stuff, being put into the game as a painting, name in credits as a thank you etc

[alpine pasture]

i dont know if this is the right place to ask but is it possible that in the future we get a dragon slayer like sword? ( Guts sword in Berserk )

[slow topaz]

not sure if it will be that exact style but the devs have stated that the current weapons are just the basic ones they thought to add and there will be more weapons in the future

[alpine pasture]

ty ❤️

[ripe plume]

A huge sword would probably not make it though

Unless they've read Berserk or played Final Fantasy 7 and are fans

[slow topaz]

the closest I could see actually being added to the game would be a Claymore sword. its probably the largest sword that could realistically be used by a person (it does have historical use, just not frequent)

for reference a claymore is an average of 4.5 ft or 140cm in length with a blade width of two to 3 inches
The largest ever claymore was 7.3 ft or 2.3 meters. It was made in Scotland in the 15th century and is one of the largest bladed weapons to ever see actual combat.

[dense lotus]

when is the next play test

[slow topaz]

February 6th to the 14th is most likely date. there will be more announcements in the future as to the exact date when we get closer to that time.

[signal furnace]

Is there a site for item value?

[slow topaz]

not yet. the wiki is still a work in progress.

[fair briar]

Do the play tests support 3440x1440p?

[empty island]

Can I run this thing on a UHD 770 above 45?

[warped ivy]

you'd need to provide system stats too @empty island since we don't know if you're running high end $4000+ rig or a 5 year old $600 rig.
edit: it's like asking "can my car go 125mph on a 4 banger"

[empty island]

Asus Prime Z690M motherboard, DDR4 kingston at 3200, i12500.
Essentially a good PC, but without a GPU, for now.

[limpid pike]

what is the chance of having an extended playtest?

[lusty cloud]

gut's sword bro?? gonna need 300 STR to carry that lmfaoo

shits like 400lbs

[lusty cloud]

if there are server issues they might, but they want to keep these tests pretty short cause they just need data from them so they can allocate more time for development

[stable marten]

So far they have extended every playtest but they've said it was extended due to bugs/server issues so there is a really, really good chance but it's not guaranteed

[quartz bear]

Anyone?
#dnd-content message

[merry smelt]

Are current mob models placeholder?

[grizzled nymph]

How many different dungeon map variations can we expect for the full release? I am hoping a lot that way its different every time and always has that feeling of not knowing exactly where everything is all the time

[quick geode]

where can i keep track when the beta testings are?

[grim furnace]

#📢announcements @quick geode This is the channel to keep a track !

[opaque zodiac]

Zweihander is prolly as close as you’ll get. And tbh it’s awful to use in hallways and stuff as is. Bigger ain’t better in this game

[frosty iron]

WHO did the art fo da loading screens and the merchants

[crude lantern]

an artist

[frosty iron]

🥹

[magic cedar]

most likely impossible to tell, only once the game is released will we know what is permanent right?

[median hatch]

Its good if you RMB. But you can be proficient with any weapon. Its all positioning, so i have to disagree with that last remark.

Positioning and timings matter with any weapon swing

[grim furnace]

I think that what @opaque zodiac wanted to say is that you can't use this type of long sword in every situation, it's too big and will collide with walls for example. It's not like a rapier that is way smoother in general. And many will agree that it's not easy to master this type of weapon in a playtest, it's a lot of work but is a great feature to master for later probably

[merry smelt]

True, just wasnt sure if it was something covered previously is all.

[sullen thunder]

When are we going to be able to play again?

[pliant cloud]

Not known 100% but it should be 6-13 february

[lost jetty]

its not 'not' known its in their #📢announcements

[jaunty magnet]

for next play test are there more classes? and is it still based in dungeon basement 2 and 3?

[idle lily]

One of the devs in an interview said he wanted to do procedurally generated maps but they sucked at it when they tried so it's on the back burner for now until they have more resources to figure it out.

[grim furnace]

We don't really know what features will be implemented this playtest, but let's hope !

[alpine pasture]

I don’t really care if it’s too big I just find it fun having big weapons to plays with even if they’re hard to master or play around . A claymore would be AMAZING!

[azure veldt]

Can we have monster stats? I would like to see the stats for monsters like we can see for players like strength/agility etc for A regular skele vs A nightmare Skele, would be interesting and I love me some stats. Also curious on seeing the boss's stats

[grim furnace]

Well sorry it’s not complete but I have these : https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Monsters

[azure veldt]

Thanks, i appreciate your work!

[grim furnace]

(Not my website lmao)

[next dirge]

what is the next playtest going to add?

[neat bramble]

they tried to add Bard class already last time but didn't, so i'm hoping it's gonna come this time

[next dirge]

i hope they add f1

[neat bramble]

maybe Resourcefulness stat changes and some kind of backpack system also

[next dirge]

yeah

[astral hound]

Hi all how to download Dark and Darker?

[slow topaz]

Unfortunately you have to wait for the next playtest to download it. the playtest dates are in the #📢announcements chat. the details are in the most recent message.

[astral hound]

oh okay thanks for answer)

[slow topaz]

no problem

[lost coyote]

Devs, is there an idea to implement story/lore into the game? through notes, some form of singleplayer interaction ingame , voice interaction with the merchant, cutscenes , or through quests?

[bright knot]

I have no game design experience. Is adding a crouch toggle hard to do? I'm just wondering why sdf said they need to do it slowly.

[hot crown]

It's not hard

[slow topaz]

can I get a quote? I cant seem to find the message you were talking about in the dev q&a section

but yeah, not the hardest thing to add

[hot crown]

Can't imagine playing with toggle myself tho :D

Unless maybe in tarkov where there is this system of "how low you wanna go" :D

[bright knot]

Q: Can we expect a toggle for things like crouch?
A: This is required. We need to do it slowly.

[pastel pond]

do we know whats being added yet or changed for the next play test?

[honest cargo]

i believe they mentioned a bard class as well as a level one of the dungeon, making the crypts level 2 and inferno 3

[slow topaz]

the first trial of the quest system will be in as well. wont be fully polished but it will exist. and hopefully some better organization for the player trading posts

[bright knot]

How can I search for all comments made by the devs?

[stable marten]

I don't think there is a way in discord to search for comments from an entire role but sdf is usually where all the game info comes from so you can search for comments he has made

[bright knot]

Thanks. Do you know the usernames of the other devs on here? Is there a list I can look up?

[waxen crane]

If you know dev name I think you can search from the upper right search bar by doing a From: <dev name>

[stable marten]

I'm sure there is a way to show offline users in the user's list but i have no idea how, and sdf is the only dev name i remember

[bright knot]

@timber mist In August, sdf said "circles are just tools". Is that confirmation that the circles won't be in the final release?
#game-discussion message

[placid condor]

any idea if they plan to release like a deluxe edition? also any idea where to buy dark n darker merch?

[bright knot]

I've only played with keyboard and mouse. Was it possible to use a controller last playtest?

[slow topaz]

I dont think so

[gritty dust]

will we be able to play bard on next playtest?

[hushed slate]

do we know when the next playtest is? ive seen february but what days?

[desert smelt]

no confirmed date, just "during steam nextfest"

which is a steam event from feb 6-13th iirc

whether that means the playtest is exactly those dates or not hasn't been said

[prisma marsh]

just make alot of people Sad if it'snot all the streamers Expecting it at this point

[timber mist]

He is saying circles are tools because they help change how the game plays out, without the circle it plays extremely different.

This is not saying circles are being removed 🙂

[opaque zodiac]

Thanks for clearing that up.

[timber delta]

I wouldn't take it as them being removed but I would take it as there being game modes without it.

[tropic flare]

When is the game comming back

[grim furnace]

Yep ! The next playtest is during the steam fest (planned the 6th feb to 13th) check #📢announcements to keep track on news

[tepid fern]

Will the playtest be live at 8pst like all of next fest

[grim furnace]

Sadly nothing is confirmed yet so let's wait for their announce

[civic swan]

Can we please in the future get some sort of pure utilty class? Maybe like a Troubadour or Dirge (both bard types. Buffs offense and defense respectively.)? or even like and Enchanter or Summoner?

[slow topaz]

Probably is the direction they are taking the bard class. could be part of the reason they are spending so much time perfecting it as there is a lot to add.

[azure veldt]

Did you get any level exp or leaderboard exp for like veteran adventurer or treasure collector for mining rubysilver ore?

[slow topaz]

I believe it would count for treasure collector. didnt test that though

[whole sable]

Indeed; I’m the first person to balk at circles. I have never liked a single game that uses them…yet I have always said they are super important to feel of D&Der. It’s a little hard to explain why but I’m glad the devs see them as such. I do hope we get some maps with slower circles. Like either B1 designed around it or the next test in B2 just being slower shrinks to get that feedback.

[slow topaz]

I definitely think that in the future the circles will be a bit slower moving which will be nice because it gives people more time too loot and the time to make smarter moves.

[long quest]

right, we need shrinking dodecahedrons instead

[whole sable]

You both make exceptional points. I agree

[tropic flare]

is there proximity chat?

[slow topaz]

Not yet but we are hopeful that it will be out soon. most likely this summer at the time of early access release. (unless the mods have said otherwise and I missed it lol)

[tropic flare]

when it is fully released will cost money ?

[slow topaz]

Yes. The devs haven't decided on a price yet. Most people have been predicting in the 30 to 40 USD range at full release.

but thats not final and is absolutely just speculation

[pliant cloud]

Yup, that's just speculation, proximity chat will be added quite soon i think, devs are trying to make this game fun as possible and proximity chat is one of fun features, it will be added in April's Early access at the latest, but it's also my speculation 😉

[tall granite]

as long as i can mute the inevitable ear piercing music quickly then sure

[bright knot]

The only music in this game should come from the bard. There should be rules about things like this in the chat.

[slow topaz]

cant wait to play the best class in the game (cleric) and blast church music through voip. as the game was intended to be played

[bright knot]

If people are able to play any random music in game it'll ruin the fantasy dungeon crawl atmosphere.

[slow topaz]

yeah. not random music. church organ.

[west crypt]

Any date on games full release? Literally dying for next playtest to come out, there is no other good game out there right now other then dark and darker. I am so bored trying to find a game to match the fun I have on this one. What if you guys released the game fully and just updated it while it being released rather then having playtest only right now?

[slow topaz]

This fall will be full release. also dont pin the administrators lol

[west crypt]

oh i am sorry

I did not know that

[west crypt]

thank you

[slow topaz]

np

[little lion]

well be there races like elves or dwarves ?! x'D

[slow topaz]

Races are planned but the devs haven't yet announced a final decision on what mechanics they will have or if it will just be cosmetic.

[sharp isle]

Will there ever be a monk

[slow topaz]

The devs have stated that they want to make a monk, it was briefly mentioned in a live Q&A that they were doing a lot of testing for how to render first person kicks and punches as well as other monk moves. So most likely. But it will take time.

[sharp isle]

Thank you I will hope for the best

[slow topaz]

Me as well. I love the monk class in Dungeons and Dragons

[little lion]

Ooooooo !!!! Thanks for letting me know

[dire flume]

did they mention what may be included in this playtest? or will it be the same game as last playtest

[slow topaz]

Nothing is 100% confirmed as things are still being worked on but the devs have said that the start of the quest system will be included as well as more items and balancing. As well as working on the maps, with possibility of b1 (1st floor) being released. They are also improving the ad/mob ai to make them move a bit smarter but at the same time fix issues with things like ai attacks still going off after a player goes invisible.

This is all that I am somewhat confident of, I am sure the devs have a lot more to surprise us with soon.

[vivid smelt]

The game will be playable next month right ?

[slow topaz]

Next month is the next playtest. most likely from the 6th to the 13th.

[vivid smelt]

nice ty

can't wait to slay some zombie

[opaque zodiac]

Early access not full release. Full release is planned for winter 2023

[slow topaz]

You right. Got my times mixed up

[wooden epoch]

Will the game cost money? If yes how much?

[grim furnace]

Yes it will but we don’t have information about the cost

[reef anchor]

🇫 🇪 🇧 6️⃣ 😭 🙏

[reef anchor]

🙏

[quartz bear]

[boreal meteor]

The last time I've seen devs answering on that question the answer was not yet decided IIRC

[bright knot]

Can armor be worn with a cosmetic skin also, or does the cosmetic replace the armor slot?

[opaque zodiac]

There are not yet cosmetics for armor so not sure how to answer but if you’re wearing a skeleton skin you wear the same armor as if you weren’t a skeleton. No hiding it for an advantage

[pine swan]

Wait can someone source early access being confirmed? Last time I checked in here they had not said that EA was gonna be a thing

[rugged axle]

Yes SDF said april is the target for EA(Q2 2023) and Launch Q4 2023

[idle lily]

https://youtu.be/B_tYY0B3OrA?t=3675

[pine swan]

Thanks

[timid isle]

How

How much longer

Must we suffer

[pliant cloud]

Till 6th Feb, but it's just a plans to release next playtest

[vast bay]

the skele transmogs we earned in the last playtest, will those things roll over?

[slow topaz]

The cosmetics from last playtest worked as the devs wanted so they dont need to test them again, pretty sure that they will not be included in the next playtest.

[grim furnace]

Everything is being reset if i'm correct

[rugged axle]

Hearsay. Overruled.

Why wouldn't they include a functional system. They have only been adding each new playtest they have never removed anything that wasn't broken.

[slow topaz]

I thought I had read or heard something along the lines of the cosmetics not happening next playtest in a Q&A. I'll have to double check if you remembered something else.

[slow topaz]

Looked back through the Dev Q&A and I figured it out. sdf didn't say anything about no skins next playtest but he did say that there would not be Adventure points in the future. I had thought this was meaning the next playtest but I might have misinterpreted it. It could be true that we will see a new batch of cosmetics. but not 100% certain. Thank you for correcting me and bringing this to my attention

Sources:
Q: Will any skins or cosmetics carry over to release? Will there be any cosmetic rewards for early testers?
A: That’s not in the plans yet. But we think players will like it.

Q: Are Adventure Points planned to stay?
A: The Adventure Point system is temporary to make playtesting more fun.

[primal canopy]

I think anything is subject to change though, leaderboards are to make the playtest fun but I’m sure this will become a permanent feature just based on people’s enjoyment of it so far.

[rugged axle]

I think an adventure point cosmetic store & a cash cosmetic store would work.
Some things obtainable some things buyable.

Doesnt fortnite do that?

[slow topaz]

Yes. but I am really hopeful that dnd does not follow the fortnite path with cosmetics lol

[fluid kestrel]

are you forced to play one class?

[rugged axle]

No, you can freely swap to any of the current 6 and even have multiples of each.

You can also freely swap their abililties and perks.

[pliant cloud]

No, you can change your class by making new character

[latent charm]

If its just cosmetics, hey I can't blame a company for wanting to make money. The problem starts when things are made intently harder and you can buy something to make it "normal" again.

If there would be a store with some decent skins I could play for and get after grinding for a while I'm probably more inclined to buy a cool skin at Halloween too, I'm invested from grinding for my cool ingame currency skin so spending another 10/20bucks is fine with me as I'm enjoying their game, and I can enjoy it longer if there is revenue coming in.

But these devs seem to understand that more than anyone so I'm sure it well end up all good 👌

[fluid kestrel]

and can you have more simultaneously?

or you have to delete others

[echo ridge]

you can have multiple just with different names

[fluid kestrel]

Ok thank you :)

[violet zephyr]

Proceduraly ( and persistant and replayable) created dungeon / map / content would fit soooo well to this game I believe.

Can we hope for such one day ?

[slow topaz]

The dev team has said they are trying procedurally generated maps but they had issues at the start but are working towards that goal in the future. We may indeed see this one day. wont be for a while tho

[vast bay]

I am more asking because I think it would be really cool to see a tester exclusive skin on launch to use when the game comes out

[hollow vigil]

Have they confirmed if the bard will be in next playtest?

[slow topaz]

Q: What is the next class going to be?
A: Bard is the next target. However it will probably be too hard to include them in the next playtest. The instrument should be fun for the bard and everyone else.
Read the qna in #dev-qna-archives

[ripe fox]

How much faster is attacking with dual daggers vs one dagger?

[lean saffron]

They don't attack faster except for a fighter with a certain perk. People dual wield for the stat bonus and different animation option. In my opinion dual wielding needs work. The current version is a super basic implementation of the mechanic.

[shell topaz]

how do i change my spells for wizard i saw spells that were available that my wizard didnt have

[slow topaz]

Under the class tab

[umbral spruce]

lmb rmb

[umbral spruce]

if they add a $100-140 edition like tarkov that allows me bigger stash size i'd pay

[slow topaz]

I dont think the devs will do that. they wanted to stay away from any paid advantages in the game

[grim furnace]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_YNh5ava9fOXLA9kzthtaK7yHTuKSlef/view

Check page 50~ their is everything you need to know about combos with dual wielded weapons

[slow topaz]

but maybe

[grim furnace]

I think their will definitly be like a « prestige » edition but not with advantage in game.

[umbral spruce]

not really advantage, just a convenience thing, i just hope they increase stash size add a larger coin pouch/chest to carry gold, having multiple characters that you only use for wealth storage sucks

[grim furnace]

It’s clearly an advantage

You can have like 5 characters with each of them a bonus stash it’s insanely broken in my opinion if we count that the stuff won’t be as easy to get as in the playtest

[umbral spruce]

if they add the quests to unlock same size storage like tarkov i really don't see the issue, the storage is crazy small in dnd

[slow topaz]

More storage means you can hold more gear sets and more wealth. meaning you are less likely to be set back by dying. allowing people who play the game more to gain even further of an advantage over casual players

[umbral spruce]

yeah but it requires you to use other people to ferry loot between your characters and its just v v inconvenient

[opaque zodiac]

More storage means inflation also since more people having gold makes gold worth less

[umbral spruce]

thats healthy game balance though, a player with longer play time should be rewarded for that playtime/skill

also hope they keep leaderboards

[grim furnace]

It has no link with having more stash

[umbral spruce]

gives chads a reason not to go into normals and run through nakeds with chad gear

[umbral spruce]

? if you have more stash you are less inclined to make another character just ot use as a bank for your main characteres

[umbral spruce]

not necessarily, i never held gold at end of last wipe it was all candy cane or ingots etc

[grim furnace]

It would probably be the opposite you would want to stack as much as possible, the more the better

[opaque zodiac]

Same thing, basically. Love the pfp btw

[umbral spruce]

don't think you're understanding, having 10 rangers that you only use as an extra stash is not a good mechanic

[grim furnace]

Well it would drop the price of event items, drop the rarity of golds, increase prices in general

So it’s legit the same

[slow topaz]

Tbh I didn't play last day of wipe since I was busy. I ended up donating all my gear and gold to low level players

[umbral spruce]

except it wouldn't drop the price of anything

[slow topaz]

but yeah. I had like 3.5k gold on three different characters. and several gear sets as well as sets for other classes I wasn't playing. the current inventory is honestly a good set up. I think maybe if gold chest got added. that were a 2x2 and held like 500g or something. other than that I think the storage is good as is.

[umbral spruce]

more than 500g imo

[slow topaz]

for a 2x2 space that can hold less than half that in coin purses? I think more than doubling coin storage is good

[umbral spruce]

chest that can carry 2000-5000 in a 2x2-4x4

[slow topaz]

jesus

no one will ever need that much my guy

[umbral spruce]

idk once you get past 30k gold in stash value its just annoying

[opaque zodiac]

Yeah idk if it’d drop the price of event items or anything else because they’d be generally out of the market and sitting in stashes or spent. But more “value” out there just causes inflation

[umbral spruce]

also if they could add a armoire for armour sets/locker to hold 1-2 full kits to save time you spend in stash this would be a hugely massive leap in storage management over a game like tarkov

make it like a 8x2-8x3

[umbral spruce]

might raise prices a bit but i would think thats a good thing

[opaque zodiac]

Why?

[umbral spruce]

more space to hold uniques/golds you might want to try later in wipe

thus less on market

but much more likely to use that space to hold extra kits/gold etc

[slow topaz]

man. the crazy price range on items last wipe was crazy. I saw purples with same stats going for anywhere from 200g to 800g. crazy shit.

[umbral spruce]

like 2k gold takes up almost half your stash

[slow topaz]

yep

[umbral spruce]

depends on stats and item, i was paying 500g for greens that had better stats than golds

[slow topaz]

same stats on equal rarity

it was wild

[umbral spruce]

2500g for a full armor set of greens that had good rolls for stats i want

really hope they adjust values/rolls for rarity and types of stats relative to the classes that wear that armor

[slow topaz]

I think they are doing that based on what class loots the chest/mob

[umbral spruce]

i shouldn't get a +5 true magic and +5 magic on a green pair of gloves

[slow topaz]

or thats the plan at least

[rigid zealot]

It would be nice to be able to set up your armor/weapon sets in bulk. I want to do all my inventory management at one time, then do a few runs.

Fighting w/ your inventory after a death is demoralizing

[umbral spruce]

didn't feel like it last wipe

[umbral spruce]

yeah a locker would be the best end game chest to unlock

[slow topaz]

def not at the start. but they improved it slightly during the second half when they also increased the value of percentage attribute bonuses

[umbral spruce]

i'd pay 250 candy canes for a locker

[dense sand]

My only desire for this whole game, is that if my friends and I reach the final circle, that we have a way to extract.
Forcefully splitting us up is just... counter intuitive haha

[neat granite]

any plans for ue5? better textures illumunation?

[slow topaz]

Pretty sure that the game is using ue5. and textures and illumination is going to be a long term wip

[neat granite]

oh ok good to hear that

[slow topaz]

Does anyone know if the pick pocket ability will get an upgrade (aka allowing it to be used from stealth)

[primal canopy]

The game is UE5 yes.

Keep in mind all of those thing affect performance.

[raw nova]

i remember seeing something in an interview with terry where he said they tried different lighting and people would just boost their gamma to see hidden rogues so they are sticking with the bad lighting

[slow topaz]

I remember that too. Though they will probably work more on keeping light from going through cracks in the wall to floor connection mesh and things of that sort.

[raw nova]

https://youtu.be/B_tYY0B3OrA?t=1482

[ripe fox]

Then why are barbs making starting builds dual wielding 2 axes?

[loud epoch]

Cause stoopid

[ripe fox]

My assumption was you could alternate between left and right and the animation of the second would start sooner than waiting for the cooldown of the first

[loud epoch]

Not worth the movement penalty

[ripe fox]

For example left right would be quicker than left left?

Giving more attack speed if you alternate?

[slow topaz]

because of stat stacking. you get the attribute bonuses of both when you hold 2 weapons. even if you only swing with one

[ripe fox]

OH

Wait so if I hold a grey rapier it gets the stats of the blue alternate dagger I'm holder?!

Added on?

[slow topaz]

yes

[ripe fox]

WHAT

[slow topaz]

not the damage

[ripe fox]

Oh

[slow topaz]

the bonus attributes

[ripe fox]

Well Grey's don't have stats so there's no point without the bonuses. Ok.

The only benefit I've found as a rogue is like you said comboing beneficial animations of daggers or utilizing reach of rapier with damage of dagger quickly.

[slow topaz]

yeah. basically you would use two greens to get the stat bonuses of a really good blue or a decent purple. and usually cheaper and easier to get two greens

[ripe fox]

But at the cost of movement

Seems busted and shitty. I hope they adjust that so that rogues have some benefit over other classes by dual wielding.

[slow topaz]

yes. daggers for pvp. rapier for pve as reach is better than burst damage when fighting the ai since they are much slower than you and its easier to dodge

[ripe fox]

I feel like rogues need some love and that would be a nice adjustment to mechanics making some benefit to using two weps.

[ripe fox]

Yes I would do this but I would use them in different spots and not dual wield so I wouldn't get the move speed debuff of holding both. I'd do em individually.

[slow topaz]

well. the only class that cant use two hands is ranger. clerics can use maces and shields. fighter can dual wield. wizards can use dagger and orb. barbs get dual axes. and rogues get dagger and rapier.

[slow topaz]

that works too

[ripe fox]

Yeah but dagger and dagger should have some benefit to attack speed for it to have some purpose other than stats.

Or a perk

For rogues

That does that.

[slow topaz]

I think adding object interaction while invis. or at the very least letting pick pocket during invis work

[primal canopy]

Don’t let anyone catch you saying rogues need a buff lol.

[ripe fox]

I agree with that too. Or silent interaction.

[sand radish]

Who said rogues need a buff

[ripe fox]

I did. Wizards are better rogues as it is right now.

[slow topaz]

^

he is right

[ripe fox]

Rogue doesn't need a buff. Just something new.

[slow topaz]

with haste and invis +ignite

and yeah

[ripe fox]

Like the ranger reload adjustment

[primal canopy]

Just remove the invis.

[sand radish]

Nah. Rogues are fine. Wizards need nerfed

[ripe fox]

Maybe a debuff/buff in other area.

[primal canopy]

Rogue gear creep is insane.

[sand radish]

^

[slow topaz]

so is wizards

[ripe fox]

Wiz needs nerf for sure. I wanted to main rogue and do, but wiz was too easy to wipe teams so I played that 😂

[primal canopy]

The problem with wizards isn’t gear creep no.

Their combo has nothing to do with gear creep.

[sand radish]

Getting 2 tapped from someone who u can’t possibly escape from when they get the drop on you, and they easily can. Definitely don’t need buffed

[slow topaz]

anyway. I think each class just needs more polish and specialization.

[ripe fox]

I'm saying love in the form of some newer mechanics.

Like dual wielding having a purpose.

Or a roll ability

[slow topaz]

not saying to buff the pvp side of rogue. thats fine as is. I think the non pvp interactions are what could have more spice to them for rogue

[ripe fox]

Or silent door open

[sand radish]

I swear to god don’t suggest giving them a roll

[ripe fox]

Agreed

[slow topaz]

lol

[sand radish]

Other stuff is fine

[ripe fox]

Wizard can out run a rogue a roll would be fine for a dodge.

And it would take the place of damage skill

[slow topaz]

wall run and wall jumps for rogue?

[sand radish]

That’s just a terrible idea for rogue. I could see bard having tumbling

[slow topaz]

roll doesn't fit the game. silent door open is good idea though

[ripe fox]

Nah it's not terrible

[sand radish]

As if the class you can’t even escape from if you tried needs a gap closer

[grim furnace]

Or just nerf wizard ignite invi and haste and everything just suppress wizard tbh

[ripe fox]

You can one tap them with a barb headshot

Why TF you run from a rogue lol

That's why you think they're op

[sand radish]

Barb loses every single 1v1 against a rogue. A naked rogue kills a barb. If the barb is using 2h anyway

[slow topaz]

yeah rogue is squishy. face head on. turning your back to a rogue is bad idea

[ripe fox]

Maybe you.

[weary plank]

Invis with 2 high damage daggers can 1 shot through almost any armor tbf

Back shot

[ripe fox]

Barb stacking their damage buffs with a headshot instakills rogue.

One swing

Naked skeleton barb

[sand radish]

I only struggled with rogue on wizard cause they drop on me then I can do ZERO about it. On my fighter I laughed in the face of them

[slow topaz]

not really. they would have to be damn good daggers. at least legend

[ripe fox]

This is true

Rogue kill wizard unless wizard knows how to haste invis and listen to footsteps

Or magic missile to the face.

[sand radish]

Good rogue beats wizard for sure; if gets the drop. Good wizard beats everything else imo rn

[slow topaz]

yeah. thats class balance. some classes will always be better at fighting others. that also has to do with positioning and game sense. in a straight fight with distance between the two wizard should win no problem against a rogue

[ripe fox]

You're right though if they get the drop, which is the rogues full mechanic so you're right.

[sand radish]

Except maybe good Ranger that can be a tight 1v1

[ripe fox]

Good rogue shouldn't be seen by a wizard

So yeah

Wiz kills every other class including rogue if they see the rogue

[slow topaz]

ranger could counter a rogues invis ambush if they had fast reflexes and the 5shot equiped

[ripe fox]

I want wall jump

[sand radish]

Nah not if they open on top of you. They can swing twice before you can load your arrows. If they open a tiny bit away then maybe

[slow topaz]

that would feel weird in this game tbh

[ripe fox]

Yeah, maybe a climb.

[sand radish]

You want wall jump you want dodge roll this ain’t rhat game my guy

[slow topaz]

yeah. its all situational. luck. timing. and awareness are key parts of the game.

[sand radish]

It’s slow and tactical for a reason

[ripe fox]

I get that

It's just a suggestion. Chill.

Not the hill I'll die on.

[slow topaz]

there are already spots you can jump to in the game to get up high. but yeah. climb would also be a very hard to make stable mechanic

[ripe fox]

My original suggestion was some reason for dual wielding as rogues. Which fits the game.

Or something new.

Stealth related hopefully

Less useless perks like hidden belt and pickpocket. And that's coming from a pickpocket troll.

[primal canopy]

I like the game how it is, but man the slow and tactical boomers are the worst. Been playing battlebit recently and they want it to be a tactical shooter even though you can run around at the speed of light lol.

[slow topaz]

it already gives a lot by allowing two sets of bonus attributes. the stealth interactions would be great for rogue.

[ripe fox]

Fair enough.

Not saying it's bad

And there are some cool animations combos with castillon and kriss dagger or however you spell it.

[slow topaz]

lmao. the boomers want to relive their days of not actually having gone to the military. they just want to mil-sim lmao

[ripe fox]

Like double left swing clothes hanger as you run by.

[primal canopy]

Actually the worst type of gamers.

I’m sure I’ll be there one day.

Once I lose my edge and eye sight.

[ripe fox]

Their just slow, so they need a slow game.

[primal canopy]

Yeah I understand.

[ripe fox]

I actually like the slowness of dark and darker.

[slow topaz]

like its fine if the game is like Arma. where its meant to be a mil-sim. but not in shit like cod or this game lol

[ripe fox]

Gives consequences to missing

A swing

[primal canopy]

The antithesis of my highspeed zoomer gameplay on max fov and sensitivity.

[slow topaz]

same. also gives players time to think and isnt a game of whoever clicks on the target fastest wins lol

[ripe fox]

Yup. And actually makes potions useful like in dungeons and dragons where you can back up and use potions and they have to decide to push through your buds or not.

Or let you heal

[slow topaz]

I also like the team aspect for the game. very fun. even though I was a solo rat most of the time. I think I'm going to go full cleric next time

[ripe fox]

We'll have to party up on the 8th.

And I do too. Finding combos like blessing wizard for +5 knowledge/will for chain lightning access. Or casting invis 5 times on a rogue with ambush/weak point bursts. Those combo dynamics are so fun.

Haste invising a rogue is something I wish I did more last time.

Or barb honestly

[slow topaz]

hell yeah. my group did a bit of trolling a a wizard, cleric rogue combo. bless, divine strike, haste, ignite, rupture, weakpoint attack, backstab. all those buffs on one rogue with full purp gear and crazy rolls on the daggers

it was a slaughter

[ripe fox]

😂 exactly I always wanted to try that.

[slow topaz]

I think a buffed out barb in the same way would probably be more frightening tbh. since melee with a barb always felt scarier than with rogue lol

[ripe fox]

Oh yeah, hasted barb gets rid of their greetings weakness I feel, gap closing ranged.

And invis obv.

Greatest*

[slow topaz]

Anyway. look forward to teaming up next playtest! igtg make dinner now lol

[ripe fox]

Me too. Peace.

[slow topaz]

Pre-emptive question answer

Next playtest is scheduled for the Steam Next fest with the most likely time being the 6th to the 13th

[gleaming bone]

we just know it starts on the 6th, no length of test being open confirmed yet

[slow topaz]

6th to the 13th is the most likely date.

[prime raft]

It could start on Friday the 3rd just saying. Which would be better for everyone

[abstract robin]

think 3rd is prob most likely

[supple field]

of feb?

[slow topaz]

where are people getting the 3rd from?

[abstract robin]

all the playtests were released friday, steam encourages devs to release the demos before 6th. It's not confirmed ofc but neither is the 6th

[abstract robin]

yea feb

[slow topaz]

"steam encourages devs to release the demos before 6th." I did not know about this one.

[abstract robin]

yea part of nextfest guidelines

6th of feb is actually the deadline for release

ofc ironmace can always withdraw from the event but i think that is not that likely

[prime venture]

a playtest is not a demo though

[abstract robin]

games participating in nextfest, would be better wording

Although i guess that they will launch playtest during the nextfest and may not be participating in it. Although that doesnt make that much sense imo. I guess I missed the fact that they never confirmed they were in nextfest. We find out on 26th anyways.

[past birch]

3rd of Feb is the best day to open it but it won't happen.
40 days is already too short for the changes they are bringing, to shorten that even more its unrealistic.
But if it started on the 3rd of Feb it would be able to get all the players who work on week days to play it.

[abstract robin]

Nah feel as if its not that unreasonable, only 3 day difference. Also they never really stated whats new this test

[past birch]

Did you know crit heals ever a thing? #989065208087576596 message

Headshot heals

[boreal thorn]

You underestimate how many of us are gonna take vacations days to do this

[severe obsidian]

im ready to call in sick just to play 😂

[boreal thorn]

Nah i like my job

Just like DnD way more than making sure people get their fish

[prime raft]

I already took a vacation day for Monday. Praying for Friday release

[echo ridge]

I beg its friday release but probably not

[fluid kestrel]

what was your experience during playing this time for the first time? how many raids were successfull? :-)

[desert remnant]

varies depending on person.
most people apparently die to their first NPC

[fluid kestrel]

so not many of them are a sucess in a beginning? :-)

[pseudo rain]

They announced on their twitter the next playtest begins on feb 6th

Officially now

[latent charm]

Nice, then I didn't take time off for nothing haha 👌

[fluid kestrel]

proof

there's nothing

[abstract robin]

Its bait lol

[pseudo rain]

Let me check it again, the tweet was from 19h ago

Literally just came from there...

[abstract robin]

They would update disc or steam page for announcement

[latent charm]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-what-gif-25774069

[pseudo rain]

Can't post images in this chat

[abstract robin]

Post tweet link

That works

[pseudo rain]

19h ago they released a poster saying: " dark and darker: 13 days" and then a small bottom line text: feb 6th

I'm on mobile, let me see how

I literally only use twitter for DnD updates, I'm illiterate

https://mobile.twitter.com/darkanddarkeren

[abstract robin]

"Fan Made"

[sweet glacier]

thats a fan account nd not the official iron mace account lmfao
unlucky homie
they have already said next fest tho and thats what that tweet is referencing
so itll be close to if not then

[pseudo rain]

Oh fml really?

I am sorry guys

[gray sapphire]

in the steam next feast i think

[abstract robin]

https://mobile.twitter.com/IronmaceGames

Main account ^

[fluid kestrel]

don't worry, official announcement soon tm

[pseudo rain]

Ty ty

[abstract robin]

Yup tm we get more news most likely

[desert remnant]

id expect news in teh next week or so.

[abstract robin]

If not from devs from then press

[thorn comet]

One could only assume it would be the 6th. Because the event is the 6th to the 13th. That would make it a little over a week of playtest. Which is on par to their other playtest length.

[fluid kestrel]

naah, next week is too late

I mean last playtest was announced like 1 month ahead?

[abstract robin]

#the-tavern message

[desert remnant]

i said, in the next week. that means before the week ends.

[abstract robin]

Dont sleep on this theory 😤 😴

[desert remnant]

the next playtest has already been announced though

just not the exact date

[abstract robin]

Not really no exact date

[fluid kestrel]

but last time the exact date was known 1 month before I think

so idk whats going on now :p

[desert remnant]

not sure we really need an exact date yet

but probably in the next week

[thorn comet]

Not an exact date but they posted they are having the playtest during nextfest. Then linked the fest which clearly says 6th-13th.

[desert remnant]

^

its likely going to be the duration.

[fluid kestrel]

they know what they are doing so be patient watch and relax

[thorn comet]

Oh I’m happy to wait 3 months this company is knocking everything out the park. So many games have failed due to a impatient community.

Now I would cry in the shower but that’s my own problem. 😂

[wraith harness]

how much will the game cost?

[grim furnace]

The dev team didnt really spoke about the cost, but it probably wont be expensive.

[sturdy cosmos]

It’d be nice if it was $20-25 but if more then make it $69.69 for the memes

[grim furnace]

[glass sorrel]

Maybe don’t?

[azure veldt]

I hope its 40$ dont want cheaters to be able to get new accounts without significant cost.

[slow topaz]

agreed. should be enough that it hurts cheaters to make new accounts but not enough that the average person cant afford it