🎮〕illuvium-zero

[potent dock]

It's also an AMAZING investment for people bullish on the project but more interested in gameplay than ILV's benefits.

[thorny crater]

Yeah i to believe it’ll go up on me sILV can be used for sure

[tender marsh]

Do you want people to get scammed in OTC trade on sILV?

[potent dock]

I don't understand what you're getting at here

[kind wave]

So I'm looking at sushiswap right now. sILV is definitely going for cheap. I just want to confirm 100% that if I swap for sILV on sushiswap, that is the same sILV I can use for the land sale. This is the address I'm putting into sushi

0x398aea1c9ceb7de800284bb399a15e0efe5a9ec2

[potent dock]

The address linked by the bot is sILV.

[glad laurel]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[thorny crater]

I just want to buy sILV to use in game later lol and use ETH for land

[tender marsh]

Just saying the amm pool is a good thing otherwise people will just resort to otc, with higher probability of getting scammed anyway.

[potent dock]

Ah yeah, sILV being available on Sushi/Uni is a good thing IMO.

[kind wave]

2 questions.

1. When the Illuvium DEX is up, will I be able to swap sILV for ILV 1:1 there?

2. When will the DEX be up and running?

[potent dock]

!silv

[dry forge]

sILV is a substitute currency that can only be gained as yield when staking ILV. In game, it can be used to pay for any fee (excluding IlluviDEX trades and Leviathan Arena wagers) that otherwise would be paid for with the main currency ETH. The value of sILV in the game - and for possible sales where sILV is allowed - will be equal to the value of ILV.

While claimed staking rewards in the form of ILV are locked for 12 months, sILV offers the opportunity to liquidate your staking rewards immediately. The tradeoff for that is that sILV only can be used in-game and does not provide compounding in any form.

[potent dock]

TL;DR - No - the price of sILV is pegged to ILV, but they are not 1:1 tradable.

[glad laurel]

1. There's currently no plan for any official support of swapping sILV. 2) It's my understanding that the Illuvidex will launch in time to support the land sale.

[kind wave]

Just want to say thank you for the amazing answers. Always to the point and we'll said!

[potent dock]

For your own sanity, after you buy sILV, you can check your sILV balance using the Illuvium staking website. It should show up on your dashboard.

[muted moth]

Just curious of people’s opinions; does it make more sense to pay for land with sILV or ETH?

[potent dock]

It kinda depends. sILV is currently trading at 40-50% of the price of ILV, but for the land sale it's 100% of the price of ILV (1:1).

As such, it could have a LOT of buying power if ILV remains at a decent price for the land sale.

[polar yacht]

Can you buy land with a combination of sILV and ETH?

[potent dock]

Still no news on that, but probably not. I think it's difficult to accommodate combined purchases like that.

Currently either ETH or sILV per plot.

[kind wave]

When will the land sale be?

[glad laurel]

No specific date announced yet, expected to be late Oct or Nov

[kind wave]

Will illuvim zero and the main game be available on Mac os for my macbook?

[polar yacht]

Price discount on sILV is pricing in risk of accumulating an unproductive asset and uncertainty about how much you need for land purchase.

[vivid cipher]

Aaron has stated that it is not worth the team hours to make that a possibility.

[slate goblet]

I suggest we create a thread to talk about buying lands with sILV. Lots of ppl are interested on that matter but it's bloating the channel and we may lose leaks and informations about the game. 🙂

[polar yacht]

A whole dedicated channel would be useful probably.

[slate goblet]

in theory sILV would be talked on #🥩〕staking, but ppl are rly interested in talking about claiming sILV to buy lands, so it'd be a merge of both channels

[eternal swift]

https://twitter.com/HukAleksandra/status/1440349450874933248?s=09

[thin cedar]

Have I misunderstood or dreamt that we can use $ILV to buy land in the auctions?
I just bought some $ILV for that purpose 👀

[potent dock]

sILV or ETH for the land sale!

[thin cedar]

Thx

[silent sonnet]

Do we have an idea of when the land auction will occur? A week, day, hour before Zero is out?

[queen folio]

Probably in around 7-8 weeks from now?
The proposal listed 10 weeks after the proposal's passing.
Proposal was passed on 8/21.

[silent sonnet]

Thank you. That was my hunch. Appreciate it.

[normal escarp]

Do we have any speculation on what the starting costs for these land tiers will be? Looking at the info in pinned here, it looks like anything tier 2+ is going to be pretty rare, is it gonna price out most of us?

[silent sonnet]

Found out that Tier 0 is free and there is endless amounts. How ever it cant create fuel and cant sell materials in the marketplace.

[normal escarp]

Seems tier 0 is free / limitless and really only there for entertainment value. As far as I understand it has no utility or nft ties and is more-so just an on-ramp for people to learn about illuvium from the app store basically.

[fallow igloo]

It may be unproductive but it can still be used for in game expenses so being able to double your utility of ETH ( only in Illuvium) is still a decent move

[muted moth]

So if I am reading this correctly, Tier 1 lands will not be able to make fuel?

[amber narwhal]

Yup

[rugged walrus]

It either means that it will not come with a fuel site and you will have to install one with real or in-game currency, or what you said

[fallow igloo]

They will not have fuel sites on them but you can produce fuel by building a converter

[rugged walrus]

ah okay thanks, yeah figured it was something like that

[muted moth]

Gotcha. And the converter converts the resources you gather into fuel? So like the hydrogen, silicon etc.?

[polar yacht]

I think buying secondary sILV is a great move if you have a good idea of how much the land you want is going to cost.

[rigid tartan]

O jogo ja está funcionando??
Is it working?

[fallow igloo]

I agree with that as well, but sILV can be used for travel fees and potentially curing shards and things like that so if you can double the amount of usage from your ETH by converting it into sILV I feel like that is also a reason why it’s a good move.

[fallow igloo]

I can’t remember specifically how it works, as in if you need to build it on a resource site and then it converts from their or if it’s stand alone and you just input what you want it to convert

[south belfry]

is there a link to the full amount of land spots?

[muted moth]

Is that accurate though? In the screenshot above it shows only a quantity of 1000 for the T1?

[fallow igloo]

No, it’s only a speculation, we have not been given the official numbers yet

[muted moth]

K thanks. I hope it’s not only 1000. I’ve got no chance if that’s the case😅

[vivid cipher]

It won’t be.

[muted moth]

Let’s go

[vivid cipher]

There will be more t1 than any other tier.

How many more? I don’t know.

Basically as you go up a tier the scarcity will increase.

20k land in the first sale. 100k total.

[muted moth]

Yea I was just kind confused from the pinned document where it had quantities listed

[vivid cipher]

Yeah that was just the initial ideation.

This is a community made document that can be played with to imagine what different distributions of rarity would look like.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mjxD-MjO4eSG8IKTRewCzWbv6cYt1BVwFV276HyJPHA/edit#gid=0

[rapid isle]

When land sales?

[thorny crater]

Oh yeah sorry should have given context. It is from this document which is from a while back that states things can change:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857471213513605140/867823747330474014/SPOILER_Illuvium_Zero_GDD.pdf#page6

And some other additional info (can change as well)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857471213513605140/872697327503163453/IZGDD-Tokenomics.pdf#page6

Both still good reads though

[thorny crater]

Not announced yet. Guessing late oct or November. I would read #❓〕faq for an overview of what’s going on

[south belfry]

Are they going to have set prices?

[humble ether]

no, gonna be done through a dutch auction

[dim spire]

HEART

😍 😍

[dry sable]

so in a dutch auction, the cost decreases as more are sold?

[obsidian field]

No the cost keeps going down until all units are sold. Sorta a first come first server as price keeps decreasing

How many sold doesn’t change price

[quasi tinsel]

Cost decreases as no one buys. If price starts at 1k but no one buys at 1k price decreases to $900 if no one buys then $800 but if everyone buys at $800 that’s what it sells for until no one buys for “X” amount of time. If no one else buys and it’s not sold out it could decrease to $700 or further until sold out

[brave lark]

If I'm gauging the demand right, I think each will go for its initial listed price until ~T4-T5, the "dutch" part of the auction not making much difference until the most expensive tiers.

[quasi tinsel]

So theoretically it all depends on what people mentally price the land at and are willing to spend on it. So theoretically if there’s 1 tier 4 land slot that hasn’t sold yet it could drop to $100 until someone buys it… very unlikely of course but just a hypothetical

[thorny crater]

T5 will go for a small island lol

[brave lark]

haha, indeed, WTT small island for T5

[buoyant wasp]

Silv back to 1:3 haha

[lethal trail]

what is the contract of sILV?

[humble ether]

#814313819185741845 message

[dry sable]

ah gotcha, thanks for the explanation

[arctic garnet]

They could put all prices super high so that going for initial price would be a bit crazy. I wonder if they'll have limits per wallet

[brave lark]

Never underestimate the insanity of a whale 😉

[drowsy edge]

Will land prices be in eth or ilv ?

[brave lark]

Eth (payable in SILV as well, but not ILV)

[vivid cipher]

It’ll be priced in USD. Payable in eth or sILV(pegged to ilv value)

[vivid cipher]

No wallet limits.

Each land NFT will have its own separate Dutch auction. Each land will be fully described… how much of what resources are available on it and their quality. Price will start stupid high and go down over time. When someone decides they like the price they will buy that unique land. And that auction will be over.

[mystic blade]

Anyone know when beta will be open? Is there a sign up?

[arctic garnet]

Thanks. Do you know if the lands will be chosen at random or it will start from highest tier down, or lowest tier up, etc?

[vivid cipher]

My guess is there will be a variety of lands being auctioned off simultaneously. With 20k being sold in the first round they’ll need to do more than one NFT being auctioned at a time.

But I don’t know for sure.

They may choose to start with t5 and work their way down through the land of the other tiers in the first sale. Or start with t1 and go up.

I think a shotgun approach would be nice though.

Aaron has said stuff about tranches before.

[wet moat]

Is the game already launch?

[vivid cipher]

No. Not for a few months still

!timeline

[dry forge]

The current estimates are:

• Closed beta in October / November
• Gameplay trailer end of October
• Illuvatar auction before open beta
• Open beta (launch) on PC & MAC in Q1 2022
• Mobile launch in 2022

Ongoing: Hiring of new Core Contributors, Influencer Partnerships and more

[tough field]

Does anyone know all actions in the main game that will require fuel?

[distant lotus]

All the silv means land sales probably will look high, but mostly removing ilv supply rather than more ETH/revdis into the ecosystem

[buoyant wasp]

Yup silv now back to $200

[fierce glen]

creating weapons/armor ect, creating shards, basically all the actions to create nfts in game that aren't illuvials

[inland smelt]

as ZyoniK said. And illuvial/equipment evolution or maybe traveling.

[meager owl]

😍😍😍

[tough field]

@fierce glen @inland smelt Will the fuel purchase be automatically in the main game (e.g: user pays ETH to craft armor and the game uses that ETH internally to pay for the fuel), or the fuel/ETH must be done manually? I suppose those ETH/fuel swaps will happens behind the scenes for users in the main game, right?

I have a second question but let's do one question at a time

[inland smelt]

It seem like you have to use sILV or ETH to buy Fuel in ETH/fuel pool. Here's what Aaron said

[tough field]

That is how I was thing fuel would work on in-game. Like in Aaron above quote, all actions that you can pay using sILV will require fuel to be processed. But I still believe users won't require to manually swap sILV/ETH to fuel before doing that action. I hope the swap will be done automatically behind the scenes.

Unless they are intentionally allowing users to buy and hold fuel to be used later in-game, in a way to avoid the ILV/ETH price fluctuation. If that is the case, that also raise the question if the fuel will be a new ERC20 token. I personally don't think that it will be. I don't have the answers right now.

[fallow sentinel]

I've been out of the loop. Is there a general timeline for land sale?

[inland smelt]

Oh yes. Basically Fuel is a ERC20 token. That's written in the tokenomics GDD here:
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[inland smelt]

10 weeks from 21 August

[fallow sentinel]

Thanks. Can't wait.... wish I had more ETH on hand so I could roll over staking rewards lol.. you think fuel ⛽ from land/revenue distribution will be just as worth it?

[tough field]

Thanks. I've just discovered this document. It definitely answer my questions.

[little wagon]

@bitter glade Can you enlighten us a bit on the timeline that is shifted a bit wit the POC, (at least for the first part) Is the rest of the timeline still intact?

[little moon]

hi guys I'm currently researching about illuvium and I red that there will be a closed beta testing. may I ask how can we join the close beta? is the form out yet? 😄 thank you for your response

[empty path]

Form is not out yet

[violet cliff]

@pure bronze

[inland smelt]

check out latest message in #795444126421483520

[inland smelt]

We will need more info about land (which will be known before land sale), e.g how much fuel each land tier will produce or something like that...

[silent cipher]

Hi I'm new here. How can I play game?

[empty path]

Game is not out yet. Launch planned for Q1 2022

[silent cipher]

Okay. What is illuvium-zero?

[inland smelt]

Check out #❓〕faq 13th

[obsidian field]

If fuel will be a token and we’re expecting multiple fuel types would that mean multiple erc20 tokens?

[slow orchid]

how to join next airdrop? QAQ

[odd furnace]

they will make an announcement on drops and what you need to do to be part of them you will just need to wait and see

[odd furnace]

I believe the multiple fuel types are mainly for buildings and then maybe with crafting things not for transport or travel

[obsidian field]

Hmm. Seems to me they should be classified as resources and not fuel should that be the case. Guess I’ll wait and see

[odd furnace]

yes we will have to wait and see but from what i understand the fuel you gain will not be a multiple erc20 tokens

that would make no sense and then also no market for them all

[astral creek]

What’s the starting price for the auction?

[uneven elbow]

It’s a Dutch auction so the price will start high and come down until someone buys

[odd furnace]

its a dutch auction so the prices will start high and come down

[rugged walrus]

It’s a Dutch auction so the prices will start high and then go down until a buy

[slate goblet]

Aaron said they are FTs, yes. I suggested to @amber atlas to use NFT instead so we can keep them on IMX and he said will talk about it with them.

[honest willow]

May i know when will be the land sale?

[slow orchid]

i'm new here , what should i do to start

[ivory bough]

!read hey. You don;t need to do anything. YOu can start reading this and devise a plan

[dry forge]

Some important sources of information that everyone interested in and/or new to Illuvium should take a careful look at are:

https://docs.illuvium.io/
https://medium.com/illuvium/9-tokenomics-launchpad-and-reward-details-5894c3b356be
https://medium.com/illuvium/28-everything-you-need-to-know-about-staking-ilv-6669594b2fac
https://medium.com/illuvium/29-governance-yield-farming-and-vault-distribution-faq-7327ae7eb507

[ivory bough]

Yes you may. Late October - Early November

[muted moth]

For the land sale will the value of sILV be made equal to ILV?

[ivory bough]

yes. In the unofficial pool the price is set randomly and not pegged to ILV. in game/market it is pegged to ILV

[muted moth]

Thanks!

[bitter glade]

The fact that this doesn't have Leviathan disappoints me.

This will be updated before release. The original GDD just had it as a placeholder of what it should generally be. We've made changes since then.

[bitter glade]

Just a little bit more look dev on the buildings. The underlying work is still going fine.

[slow cedar]

Any ETA on when we can expect this? Don't let VN and Kieran take all the leak glory, give us some of the good stuff

[bitter glade]

Sorry no.

[thorny crater]

2-10k but if the game blows up big before the 20k land sell, which i believe its on that path, that can be t1 prices. (Speculation)

[slow cedar]

Boo! I will await Johnny to be the leak man we need

[bitter glade]

https://tenor.com/view/cheer-applaud-your-boos-mean-nothing-ive-seen-what-makes-you-cheer-rick-and-morty-gif-16574773

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/viva-la-revolution-gif-11760395

[muted moth]

So since the fuel from IZ is used in the main game to cure shards etc., when we make fuel in IZ can we just send it to ourselves in the main game once it is released?

[sand coral]

Ahh man my hopes of getting land are diminishing

Good shout im stacking eth while its cheap ill prob trade it in for silv when it comes back up 🤞🤞

Deffo make a plan then stick with it cos the land sale must be closeeee. If you got a decent amount of sILV stacked buying land is pretty good reason to release it NFA

[honest willow]

Can we use ILV to buy the land or just sILV？

[fading fulcrum]

Personally I think claiming ILV is probably better for staking rewards as I think it will always have an edge on sILV in terms of price. That being said I think straight up buying sILV for ETH right now is also very good because the discount will definitely narrow whenever they release official information about the land sale.

[little moon]

sILV or ETH for land purchases.

[unborn pilot]

How come ILV can't be used for land purchases?

Question- is there any information on future batches of land? I know 20k will be sold initially, but what about other batches, will they be a few months apart?

[small star]

Silv or eth. No. No idea.

[little moon]

ILV cannot be used to purchase anything in the game

[little moon]

Since the lands produce Fuel which is needed in game, The rest of the lands are likely to be sold based on growth of the playerbase to keep resource availability balanced.

[unborn pilot]

Got it thanks

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[ivory sage]

I have 500 ilv stacked.. I was thinking I was a whale.. Now I get... I am just a dolphin

[thorny crater]

Ima a goldfish…..like in the little fish bowl, so I don’t even grow bigger

Dat me

https://tenor.com/view/be-brave-fish-goldfish-sharkfin-inspire-gif-15150714

[uneven elbow]

Hey mind if I DM u I have a couple of questions about this?

[thorny crater]

Ah man I’m not even a fish I’m a shrimp 🦐 lol

[swift condor]

💪 🦐 power!!!

[ivory bough]

You say like it's a bad thing 🙂

[thorny crater]

#shrimpLife

[muted moth]

SHRIMP FOR THE WIN

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-flim-movie-tom-hanks-byzagreb23gif-gif-18022691

[dense cipher]

Yeah I noticed the same when voted… lol

Where did you get them?

[uneven elbow]

You’re not alone buddy

[little moon]

Hey, will it be possible to generate fuel on Tier 1 land? Or only Tier 2+?

[odd furnace]

this is still in discussion so as of right now yes only teir 2 and up and it might be up for change

[slate goblet]

latest leak is that T1 doesn't have slot to extract fuels but we can build converters to convert resources into amall amounts of fuels

[fallow igloo]

Where is message that says if your a shrimp or not? I can’t remember where it is

[swift condor]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[fallow igloo]

It’s pinned in #💰〕token haha thank you!

[little moon]

Hey JVK. Where is this market?

[little moon]

I think they mentioned that you will be able to force cosmetics

[rugged walrus]

Can the people playing free-to-play still climb competitive ladders? They are just at a disadvantage with respect to fuel production and whatnot?

[odd furnace]

The free to play will only be for the begin if you want to progress in the game you will need to buy fuel/shard do getting better NFT

[rugged walrus]

Okay thanks

[potent dock]

Just to check - if you're talking about Illuvium:Zero, you're just unable to produce NFTs on T0 land. You'll likely have access to almost ALL of the rest of the game though. I'm not sure there will be leaderboard/ladders in IL:Z. If you're talking about the main game, I suspect there will be some sort of free to play tournament or something like that.

[rugged walrus]

Yeah mostly talking about the main game. i'm just confused on how that would affect a F2P player's progress with respect to the competitive play. Maybe it just takes them a little longer to find/collect the Illuvials, but they can play on the same ladders as everyone else?

Basically, can a F2P player become competitive with everyone else? I will be putting money into this, but I would also like to see at least the competitive aspect be accessible for F2P players, as that will be the fastest and easiest way to grow the playerbase

[crisp blaze]

IIRC Ranked PvP will be equalized somehow by removing Items and other things but Leviathan Arena allows those things

[rugged walrus]

ah okay sounds great, thanks

that sounds familiar actually. im sponging up too much info at once i guess

[brave pebble]

Hey guys, in the landsale we will be able to bid for land with sILV correct?

[gleaming sigil]

And eth

[minor steeple]

Not bidding, you'd be buying. The land will be sold in a Dutch Auction which just means the first to buy it at the price gets it, as the price drops over time. There won't be "bidding" as far as I'm aware.

[vivid cipher]

You will be able to have resources mined by your Mozart drone in the main game that you can use to forge cosmetics. I’m not sure the mineral resources mined by your GIANT drone (or the structures) will be transferable from the mini game to the main game. Perhaps if there was a way for the mineral resources in the mini game to be mostly consumed in a transfer to the main game. 100count Carbon for 1 piece of carbon in the main game.

Lore wise it looks like the economic scales are gonna be completely different.

[amber atlas]

the **Elements **in the Illuvium Zero (Hydrogen, Carbon, Silicon) are only used in Illuvium Zero (at least for now), Fuel is used throughout the main game as currency ... but there is a strong correlation between Illuvium Zero and cosmetic items, the **Blueprints ** you gain through **Scanning ** and **Researching ** are required in order to make skinned versions of the items in the main game (skins are, if it is not clear, a cosmetic upgrade)

you will need to source the other components for skinned items in the main game (or marketplace)

[slate goblet]

Won't travel be paid with any fuel? How will it be done?

[hasty haven]

What do you mean by currency? Like paying for travelling fees?

[inland smelt]

Curing shard, evolution, forging equipments, …

[hasty haven]

Oh cool, and would it be the same for travelling fees as well? Thanks

[inland smelt]

that’s what me & @slate goblet tried to find the answer for a long time as well 🤔 but seem like this important info won’t be leaked before the main game open

[slate goblet]

I think they just forgot to say that :p

[inland smelt]

Since Johnny said that there won’t be a 4th type of fuel for travelling, I guess there will be a combination of 3 types of fuel for travelling

[slate goblet]

or none

[amber atlas]

all things will be paid with fuel, including travel, which will likely be tied to Cryptons

[slate goblet]

tnx 😄 so wan't it decided yet?

[amber atlas]

there are still some debates about which is which, based on visuals, sound of the word, etc

we want tthe fuels word and visuals to naturaly fit the purpose they are used for

[slate goblet]

cool 😄

[inland smelt]

Thanks for this great info! I hope that there will be a balance in the functions of the fuel types so that there will be no situation where a piece of land is evaluated as having a low value compared to another same tier land.

[slate goblet]

yeah it must be tough to balance IZ production with game demand

[amber atlas]

at the start and in the long run the goal is for them to be balanced, but short term differences are good, they create new ways for you to make a profit and reward players who are knowledgeable about the game

for example if you know a new feature is coming out that has historically been tied to a certain type of Fuel you can predict a short term price increase, if it is a feature which is catered towards newer players it will probably be followed by a dramatic drop as everyone who stocked up on the Fuel offloads it... the same kind of economic games you can play in many MMOs, except here it is encouraged ... and makes you real profit (or loss)

[eager badger]

any idea how much T2 and T3 are going to go for ?

[amber atlas]

officially: no, unofficially: no

🙂

[thorny crater]

I knew we could hoard fuel and make prices go up then sell at the right times to make bank….I’m in lol

[burnt frigate]

Illuvium OPEC

[thorny crater]

Capitalism. Supply and demand

[wise flume]

Will fuel be used for anything within Illuvium Zero? Buildings, refining, crafting etc. Or will it's purpose be only to sell for use in the main Illuvium game?

[vivid cipher]

Yeah it will be.

But in IZ you get to use all the fuel. Once you mint the fuel tokens and send them to your wallet to swap for eth or whatever you pay a 90% fuel tax. And you only gain profit from that 10% of your fuel production. The DAO vault gets the rest of the profit.

It sounds weird but it’s gonna be nice.

[wise flume]

I remember reading that in one of the documents. It's good to know we can use 100% of the fuel in IZ.

Will we have to mint blueprints to gain their benefits?

[uneven elbow]

If silv is 1:3 ilv would it be more beneficial for me and give me a better chance of buying land in IZ if I use that instead of ETH?

[vivid cipher]

Basically the land owners have a huge say in the market timing of ups and downs. But they only get 5% of the revenue from the fuel purchases. The dao will have direct control of the other 50% of the fuel market.

[vivid cipher]

Yeah

But the goal will be to be minting in IMX eventually for FREE

[vivid cipher]

Currently it looks that way. But what the markets do for ilv and eth is anyone’s guess

[uneven elbow]

Maybe I’ll convert closer to the time see what it’s looking like 😊 thank you

[wise flume]

When the main game releases everything in IZ is wiped except for blueprints yes? Will you be able to sit on blueprint tokens before you mint them? And if so, will un-minted blueprints be wiped with the reset?

[vivid cipher]

Oh I see. I don’t know. My guess is if it’s not an NFT it’ll get wiped.

The backend is getting reset.

So if you don’t have the NFT it’s gone.

[wise flume]

That makes sense

I'm assuming blueprint NFTs will be sellable and tradeable once minted?

Also I read somewhere that owning multiple blocks of land adjacent to each other would be beneficial. What kind of benefits are there to owning land adjacent to each other?

[buoyant wasp]

That’s provided you are the only one buying 🙂

[wise flume]

What does this mean? Isn't sILV 1:1 with ILV?

[amber atlas]

the current plan is that everything except for minted blueprints will be wiped (on the main launch), minted blueprints are normal NFTs and we have no control over them

it is best to think of v1 as an alpha (its called alpha), a way for you to learn about the game and have some fun, a way for us to make sure any bugs are ironed out before release...

... I wanted to put mintable blueprints in just to give some small short term reward/goal, but only a small subset of Blueprints will be available so I wouldn't expect they will be particularly high value (but who knows)

[inland smelt]

Yes it is. But currently you can buy it cheaper in some DEX because some anonymous whale selling it for their personal purpose

[amber atlas]

It is your wallet and you can do what you want, but if you don't have a big bag I'd be careful of buying sILV for the purpose of land sale unless you also plan to use it in the main game. No one can say with confidence what the T1 floor price will be, and maybe you won't have enough.

Of course you can try to resell but after the land sale I think its reasonable to expect a lot of people might be selling their excess sILV on secondary markets after land sale

[inland smelt]

exactly. I just bought a few more sILV because determined that I would either buy the land, or I would play Illuvium. This is a great deal for me

[amber atlas]

for sure, wasn't specifically geared at you, I see a lot of people with these kind of plans, and I'd hate to see people come away with a negative experience

[slow cedar]

Johnny, what will determine when the second batch of lands are sold? Is it tied to demand somehow, some other metric, or gut feeling?

[weary swan]

Can we buy silv? Can u send link to buy

[amber atlas]

I don't think there is anything definitive on that, @bitter glade?

(I'm reasonably confident it wont be 'gut feeling' 😉 )

[inland smelt]

Yeah, I just simply looking at this situation from the perspective that, instead of whales using all of that silv to buy land, it's everyone now. I think there will be no negative experience here, whales earned money, players could buy cheaply, number of silv has been minted unchanged, everyone is happy with their decision 😄

[amber atlas]

anyway I'm chilling for a bit and happy to answer IZ game related questions, but I best leave the tokenomics and land sale details to @noble quest and @bitter glade

[inland smelt]

It's not official but if you use sILV contract to paste in some DEX like uniswap or sushi swap, you could see the sILV token

here's the official contract: #🥩〕staking message

[slow cedar]

Are you going to be playing IZ along side us? And what's been your favourite thing to do in tests (fuel, blueprints, arbitrage fuel conversion, something else?)

[buoyant wasp]

For IZ , is there options to tear down (and recover some resources) and rebuild buildings due to misplacement? I hate to lose resources due to fat fingering

[amber atlas]

Of course I'll play! a lot of those elements are not fun, or just can't happen, without a real market ... my favourite feature right now is the emergent micromanagement, simple rules lead to complex decisions

[amber atlas]

Yes, we currently have option to sell a building for resources or credits (for speed-up) ... haven't worked out exactly where it will land though (one of those options or both, and what the ratios are)

[south belfry]

clash of clans style

[weary swan]

Will there be gas wars on land sale ?

[ivory vine]

No, not in the same sense as all those NFT mints. Land Sale is a Dutch Auction (crazy high starting price that goes down with time until someone buys), so there aren't thousands of people trying to mint at the same time 🙂

[south belfry]

how is the land going to auction in batches or from t5 down to t1

[weary swan]

How crazy high starting price we talking about 😅

[misty orbit]

So high that no one can afford them

doesnt really matter though because its going to come down

[ivory vine]

Irrelevant because most likely so high that no one buys at that point any way 🙂

[weary swan]

There’s rich af whales out there so I doubt that

[misty orbit]

Well yeah sure but would they wanna spend 100k-1million for a tier 2 land lol

[ivory vine]

Having the money doesn't equal that buying at those prices makes economically sense 🙂

[misty orbit]

i used the wrong phrase by 'no one can afford them' but u get my drift

[weary swan]

I just hope maybe an average person has a chance to buy tier 2 land

[south belfry]

are they going to be auctioned in batches or 1 by 1 from t5 to t1?

[bitter glade]

No. One of two things happen.

1. we make an IIP manually for each sale with reasonings (such as player growth, death threats against myself from people screaming for more land, etc…)

2. we make an IIP that proposes a way to automate it.

I’m not a fan of the second for something like this. I don’t think anyone can make a good system to automate, and it’s not hard to make an IIP at the right time manually.

[misty orbit]

Anyone who gives aaron death threats aint deserving of no land. kieran? i get.

but aaron ? 😤

[slow cedar]

That all sounds pretty reasonable, thanks @bitter glade. I'm glad there is a process in place for it at least, as it helps some of us decide the value of land

[slow cedar]

Out of interest Johnny, in a 24 hour period, after a week or so set up time, what do you see as the maximum time you could theoretically play the game for? As in, how much time could you really make the game occupy if you were looking to do as much micro management as possible

[fallow barn]

Sorry for this question, but I just want a little clarification.

I was under the impression that a Dutch auction would mean that all the land in a current tier would go up for auction and it would start at a high price.... the price drops over time and people start to put thier bids in as it drops.... once there are enough bids to sell the lot that would end the auction and the final price of all land in that tier would be the final bid........

But....

From what I've read over the last couple days it looks as though this "Dutch" auction works a little different where each land piece gets its own auction

So... Is it either of these options or something completely different?

[slow cedar]

Each land is sold on its own. You know what you're buying. Price starts crazy high, ends really low, and at the point you think the price is good, you hit the 'buy now' button

[fallow barn]

So some people will pay more then others for the same land

[slow cedar]

Correct.

[fallow barn]

Tbh.... I'm not a huge fan of that idea but it doesn't really impact myself as I probably won't be buying land now anyway as I'm just a poor baker...lol

[slow cedar]

There were a lot of conversations and votes. It wasn't so long ago this channel had 4 or 5 threads with the community talking about different aspects of the sale. This is what the community thought best (the DAO essentially)

I personally think that a lot of this discord won't be buying lands, and whales can be catered to with higher tier stuff, so 20k lands might stretch further than people realise

[fallow barn]

I've been busy over the last couple weeks and don't get a lot of time to read on here so I'm not completely up to date with the specifics of everthing

[slow cedar]

I can relate. I'm certainly less up to date than I used to be, particularly on the main game. But this channel is full of helpful folks who will fill you in

[fallow barn]

20k plots is definitely a lot and I think it will go a long way... discord is only 130k members so 20k is a big chunk

I think most "whales" will buy several plots

[ivory vine]

We are growing with 2k+ per day or so by now, so the amount of people on this Discord in a couple weeks time when the auction actually happens will be higher 🙂

[fallow barn]

No doubt it will be higher, but I think the give-away drew in a large % of the newer members.... it's still going to grow fast however I just don't think it will be quite as fast as the past 2 weeks

Hopefully I'm wrong

[ivory vine]

Pretty sure you are. We were already at more than 1k+ before the GiveAway, so I'm confident that now with Binance (and a Link Flash pool coming as well) we will keep growing daily with four digits of new people 🙂

[fallow barn]

Ahh.. true.. I did momentarily forget about the binance listing

[fallow barn]

"Link flash pool" what is this/ where can I read about it?

[ivory vine]

#📰〕governance-news message

[fallow barn]

Thanks @ivory vine .. much appreciated. I'm extremely new to all of this so I appreciate your help and patience.

[slow cedar]

My honest doubt comes from the fact I know a lot of people here wont have $1k plus to drop on some land in the game. A lot of people join because they hear Illuvium is free to play. I'd like to hope the 20k lands do sell out at high prices, but I'm certainly keeping a bit of change just in case prices drop towards a "stupid not to buy" price

And that's the joy of the dutch auction. Any one of us could be right, but the land certainly will all sell, and it doesn't matter which of us is right now, the market will decide on sale day

[rapid fjord]

Is 20k lands from anywhere? Is that the starting price ?

[slow cedar]

That's the quantity of lands which will be in the first sale. 20,000 individual plots which will be put up for sale.

[rapid fjord]

I see

[rapid fjord]

Any word how much a tier 4 land will go for? Any speculation

[fallow barn]

https://tenor.com/view/did-i-ever-told-you-definition-of-insanity-sunglasses-whisper-talk-gif-17234409

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-austin-powers-mike-myers-gif-22046787

[slow cedar]

at the moment it's 100% guess work. We don't know how much fuel land generates, how much is used in the main game, how much more a T4 makes than a T3, or how many T4 there will be.... but I'd guess somewhere around high 5 figures, low 6 figures

[rapid fjord]

Well said. I’d said 50k is a good guess for tier 4 personally

[slow cedar]

I wouldn't be surprised if we're both right, with my estimate being the super dooper best layout ones, and yours being the lower end ones

[buoyant wasp]

Wow who went to pump the silv…finally sold my nft on opensea to buy more and the price skyrocketed

[swift spear]

So, who wants to form a pact to not buy until the price is low 😆

[empty path]

You are a few months late for that

[swift spear]

Talking land sale, not ILV/sILV

[slow cedar]

How about everyone doesn't buy until $5 a land (and I'll break ranks and buy at $5.01 and be rich!)

[fallow barn]

Tbh.. I can't really afford much more then that anyway...lmao

[upper elm]

Hey folks. When is Illuvium Zero auction starting?

[ivory vine]

A couple of weeks from here. No final date yet 🙂

[fallow barn]

Even though I won't be getting any land I'm still pretty pumped for the auction...

[ivory vine]

https://gfycat.com/gaseouswickedbufflehead

[upper elm]

revvvv disss 😍

[fallow barn]

Lol... I wish....... I don't have any ILV... we are not in a financial position that makes my wife comfortable enough for me to invest in it yet... I definitely am comfortable enough, but Lee is not unfortunately

[empty path]

2 of my friends got some without telling the misses, then they also don't have to share the gains

[fallow barn]

I'm just going to have to take the long road unfortunately. Fear rules over a lot of people and I can understand why.... I'm just glad to be here to play when it drops

[inland smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/mochi-peachcat-mochi-peachcat-hug-pat-gif-19092449

[upper elm]

What percentage of land sales goes to revdis?

[ivory vine]

100% like every other revenue as well 🙂

[upper elm]

oh damn

[ivory vine]

sILV = NO revenue though.

[fallow barn]

And by the looks of it.. most will be payed for with that

[upper elm]

It's going to be really interesting to start seeing how the distributions works out per ILV

[ivory vine]

Not so sure about that yet personally.

[inland smelt]

so, the revdis of lansale is 100% of eth spent in the sale right ?

[fallow barn]

The fact that whales are selling silv... I can only assume that they have a very large stack set aside

[ivory vine]

Correct. Like everywhere in the Illuvium Ecosystem at the moment 🙂 ETH = Revenue. sILV = No revenue but sILV gets burned and did obviously by being claimed impact ILV positively due to a reduced max supply as a result.

[inland smelt]

As long as I'm holding ILV, I get advantage no matter what they're spending by lol That's what I love most of staking ILV. Triple revenue 🚀

[ivory vine]

So far less than 25k sILV are circulating: https://etherscan.io/token/0x398aea1c9ceb7de800284bb399a15e0efe5a9ec2

I expect a spike of sILV claims around land sale, yes, but I still don't see the majority being sILV only for the auction. But we'll see 🙂

[buoyant wasp]

Some whales are buying too , it is large transactions all round

[ivory vine]

by holding you mean staking right? Otherwise you don't get RevDis from the ETH spent and only benefit from the buying pressure of the vault 🙂

[inland smelt]

Oh yeah, I meant staking, at 2.0 weight !! 💰

[fallow barn]

You are most likely right.... you most definitely have more experience in this space then I do.....lol. I do hope that the land sells for a good amount as even though I won't be able to buy any, it shows faith in the project (which I have a huge amount of) and will also be beneficial to everyone as it should bring more attention to it

So that 1900 holders of Silv.... does that include everyone.... (including thise that have it on cold storage)

[ivory bough]

Look at it this way:

1. sILV takes ILV out of circulation = spike the price of ILV
2. ETH generates RevDis = Spike the price of ILV
3. in 3 years sILV minting will end = only ETH will be used in games (generates pure RevDis)
4. there will be more games and Potentially movie(s) = More RevDis

you'll get all as long as you stay staked lol 😄

[ivory vine]

Even if we see the majority spend in sILV, that still means a possibly incredibly large sales volume for the auction (=lots of publicity) and in order to have that much sILV spent, it had to be claimed by someone first (=max supply of ILV reduced a lot), so either way, I'm happy as someone who is in it for the long run 🙂

[fallow barn]

OK........ I didn't realise that claiming Silv reduced the Max supply of ilv... but it makes sense now...lol

I was also not aware that silv minting was limited and would stop after 3 years.... this also makes sense when I think about it more....

Much to learn I have

[empty path]

The tokenomics on this project are legendary 😄

[ivory bough]

https://tenor.com/view/knowledge-wisdom-lemmegiveittoyou-benstiller-gif-4255517

[cinder ice]

Anyone has a guess of the ballpark price for each tier? Thanks

[ivory vine]

Impossible for anyone to estimate because the market will determine the prices. Dutch Auction means a crazily high starting price that drops over time until someone buys. That also means that not everyone necessarily pays the same amount even when getting the same tier of land 🙂

[empty path]

Stormi, there is no date announced for this sale right? Just to be sure I didn't miss anything

[cinder ice]

Ok thank you. Thinking of how much is needed and if can afford

[buoyant wasp]

I am just guessing it will be very very high as people are just playing to see who blink first and people are rich…

[ivory vine]

Not yet, no 🙂

[empty path]

Whales just wanna have fun

[cinder ice]

So how will this work - you own land, you generate resources and sell for ETH/ILV? Is there a paper I can read? Thank you

[ivory bough]

shrimps too. Whales buy with ETH and shrimps bask in RevDis. Whales buy with sILV and SHrimps enjoy the price spike 🙂

[buoyant wasp]

That’s the gist, the resources can be fuel or nft

[amber narwhal]

Check pinned message, there is a "spoiler"

[cinder ice]

But will shrimp get eaten by whale? 😅

[cinder ice]

Thank you

[ivory bough]

Shrimps are more in numbers. All together they can eat a whale whole 😄

[empty path]

Let's feast!

[upper elm]

I agree. I can’t imagine a dutch auction slowly ticking down without those whales getting itchy trigger fingers

The hype is real 😆

[buoyant wasp]

I am just happy I stocked piled 45 silv when it is cheap to maybe get a T2/T3 and I am still not sure if I will get..,

[ivory bough]

only if you could see ppl sitting behind their PC. It's like dueling on Wild West. Whoever draws first will kill the other dude

[upper elm]

Hahaha fastest left click at ten paces

[buoyant wasp]

If you look at the silv contract, the top guy now have 3k silv and he did that by claiming 2.6k just yesterday. The second guy have 2.3k and he also did it in 1 claim…

I am guessing lots of people have more than 1k silv to be claimed closer to the land sale date

[upper elm]

It would be really cool to see someone create a DAO for T5 bids

Probably really tough to set up (I don't have a clue on the tech side), but let all the shrimps contribute to a T5 purchase DAO 😍

[crisp blaze]

Hi is there an estimated date for the land sale? IIRC Early november, but how early are we talking?

[terse peak]

damn, these whales must be going for T5 land. Makes me think that ill only be able to afford max tier 2 land now.. quite depressing.. my land target keeps shifting downwards 😫

[tough field]

"3) in 3 years sILV minting will end = only ETH will be used in games (generates pure RevDis)"

---

I don't know about that. In 3 years the yield farm pool will end, but revdis will continue to pay stakers in ILV, which I believe will continue to be able to claim their rewards in sILV.

[ivory bough]

No. RevDis is only paid in ILV. sILV is a YF reward and will end with YF.

[tough field]

Thanks. I did not know that. Can you point the reference of that. I think I missed it

[queen folio]

Please note— we have a thread going in governance which was started by Stormi shortly after the election in which this topic is being discussed.

#Sources of acquisition for sILV
#884782158772834324 message

Trying to gather the community’s thoughts on adding the option to claim sILV from 1) in-game yield farming rewards and 2) revenue distributions.

As it stands now, both cases only have the option of claiming ILV as rewards

[tough field]

So we are saying that ILV cannot have less than 7.000.000 ILV in total supply. The max ILV that can be burned is 3.000.000 ILV.

[ivory bough]

Quite right.

[ivory bough]

Hmmm that's nice: burning more sILV the minting of which ends in 3 years?

[queen folio]

Minting sILV from yield farming rewards via Staking ends in 3 years, with the current protocol, yeah.

Then in the thread it was discussed whether the in-game yield rewards of 1,000,000 ILV should also have the option to be claimed as sILV. And if proposed and passed, claiming as sILV would mint sILV and burn the corresponding ILV. Same with the RevDis!

[ivory bough]

Bringing sILV to life is a nice idea. 1m less ILV. The price will explode lol

[queen folio]

Butttt— I’m taking us off topic! Sorry! Hahah head to that thread for more 😄 Hasn’t been a comment in a couple of weeks but it can be brought back to life

[ivory bough]

Haha yeah 🙂 nice idea though

[distant lotus]

I'm staked in the core pool with ILV, and also have been picking up cheap sILV for land sale. I'm torn whether to get land, or turn my silv back into ILV and stake into the SLP pool - it's such a tough choice.

[cinder fractal]

Our situation is equivalent if someone give you 1 or 2 picks and you can pick anyone that ever played and you need to choose between Jordan, karem, magic, LeBron.... All choices will lead us to promise land there is no bad options only slightly better one :)

I'm staked in both pools and I will slowly purchase some sILV to be ready for land

[cinder fractal]

Did they sell that sILV or it's still in their wallet?

[buoyant wasp]

In their wallet

[cinder fractal]

That means whales are getting ready for tier5 👀

[icy nest]

How many tier 5 will have

[cinder fractal]

Only 7

[icy nest]

How much ILV are you stsling guys?

[cinder fractal]

Whatever is number it's not enough 😂

I'm a small fish maybe a little bit more than 20k$ in both pools

[icy nest]

Thats is a lot

The average is 5k$ per person

[cinder fractal]

Interesting how many different wallets are staking between 2 core pools right now?

[buoyant wasp]

7 is in total, the first sale is likely just to have 1 or 2 , so the competition will be fierce

[cinder fractal]

I would like to see only 1 and starting price 100mil$ 😆

From there let's say price can drop 5% every time when it's going down

[icy nest]

How much would you pay

[cinder fractal]

Probably 10mil if I can afford 😂

[icy nest]

I don't know how to participate in this auction

Still expensive I think

[cinder fractal]

It's simple this one every tier will start extremely high and price will drop until you are ready to buy

Tier1 will be cheapest one because we will have most plots for that tier

[icy nest]

I know how it works. But i don't know when to buy

[cinder fractal]

Whenever you are comfortable with price

If you are not comfortable don't buy that's my plan

Also observe once when land is going fast and we have 20% left of supply better buy it quickly if you are ready to pay that price

Let's say only 2k plots are left from 10k plots maybe you should pull a trigger

[icy nest]

Uhm nicce, thanks

[charred apex]

Whens the sale going to be I plan to invest 5k at the end of the month to yield farm sILV

[ivory vine]

In a couple of weeks, no final date announced yet 🙂

[charred apex]

Can I buy without stacking ? what the currency going to be ?

[empty path]

So land sale is before gameplay trailer?

[ivory vine]

ETH or sILV can be used to buy land.

[icy nest]

Eth?

[ivory vine]

Maybe (= Not sure) 🙂

[cinder fractal]

Hopefully we will have trailer firs for maximum hype

[empty path]

Yeah I feel the same 🙂

[ivory vine]

I'm hoping for trailer before land auction too, yes 🙂

[icy nest]

Thats sad if eth can be use

[inland smelt]

revdis would go nuts 😋

[cinder fractal]

Probably we will burn more ilv than revdivs but both options are great

[inland smelt]

why ? revdis would generate revdis to ILV stakers.

[inland smelt]

Yeah, both will definitely make a strong support for ILV price in long run

I don't care which currency, I just care how much 🐳 will spend

[ivory bough]

https://tenor.com/view/no-idea-you-have-no-idea-gif-13406460

Lots are sitting on the sideline waiting to see the trailer

[uneven elbow]

You still think it’ll be 1:3 by the time the auction arrives? Not sure whether to pull the trigger on buying silv just yet as it gives me a better chance of obtaining some land

Another question might not be for this section but can be answered quickly.. does SLP pool receive revdis? If I don’t get any land I plan to stake in SLP

[charred apex]

Why do you think the land willl be that expensive ?

[buoyant wasp]

FOMO

[charred apex]

The land will be for ingame use and who knows when the game gonna be released tho?

Or I am wrong

[ivory bough]

Q1 2022

[charred apex]

You never know until you see it before you these type of projects can have delays

But I guess if the game becomes 2nd to Axie even the most common lands gonna be expensive

[buoyant wasp]

There is about 23k silv tokens in circulation an increase of 7k over the past 5-6 days. At this rate I won’t be surprised by the time of land sales , it will be >100k silv tokens for a market value of 60m at ilv=600, some is bound to spend eth. So let’s assume first land sale total transaction volume is 100m. Thats only over 20k land in the first launch even if all land sell for the same price, each land will be 5k each but it is more likely the lowest tier will sell for lower and higher tier prices increase exponentially

[charred apex]

Sure enough I will DCA on ilv and silv anyway ,if I have the money gonna buy a land also we are prime to have second big PLAy to earn game

[worn scaffold]

Anyone who wants to buy sILV? PM me

[slow cedar]

That sounds like a scam in the making....

[sage tree]

This will be the biggest play to earn game we will see in the space by a mile in every which way. If u can afford it, go buy land too

[vast ermine]

What kind of prices are we expecting land to come through at per tier?

[ivory bough]

Pure speculation as the sale is done through Dutch Auction

[vast ermine]

As expected. Any educated guesses towards what they might start at?

[ivory bough]

Still just wild guesses. There will be more info regarding starting prices soon (before the main event)

[potent dock]

Extremely high, higher than anyone should be willing to spend. That's kind of the spirit of Dutch Auction. If land gets bought immediately when it's available, it was priced too cheap for the format.

[vast ermine]

Scary to think about how much asset I'm going to have to keep liquid to get involved in this

I'd be anticipating ETH to be priced in at 10k by the time the PoS comes in, and leading up to that by the end of October. So if we're paying in ETH I'll have to get in now

[ivory bough]

you can pay for land with ETH or sILV. ETH generates Revenue while sILV takes ILV out of circulation

[vast ermine]

Great info thanks Arash.
I didn't realise that sILV would act to displace ILV

There really is going to be absurd potential for ILV market valuation on release

[ivory bough]

no worries. sILV stops ILV from ever being minted and is burned upon use and therefore takes ILV out of circulation 🙂

[vast ermine]

Damn, I should really be buying more.

[rotund epoch]

Will zero launch on apple testflight prior to full release of the game?

[hushed wave]

What the capacity of land?

[vast ermine]

When the first game to classify as Play AND Earn comes around, I suspect we'll see mass adoption into the hundreds of millions of crypto-new players.

Very optimistic for the future of Illuvium, even anticipating a push back on release dates as far as Q4 2022 or even 2023.

[potent dock]

In fairness to Axie, they were first 😛

[carmine rover]

How can I acquire a plot of a land? Is it on sale?

[potent dock]

I'm very optimistic as the play seems much better, and the earning model seems more sustainable 😛

[potent dock]

Land sale in the future (6-9 weeks or something to go now), 20k plots out of 100k total will be sold in first land sale by dutch auction.

[vast ermine]

They're more of a Play TO Earn. They're really only onboarding their fan base through financial incentive rather than addictive game play and pure dopamine release

Play AND earn will be likely be the first instance of true mass adoption in Crypto

[potent dock]

How do you mean? Capacity as in "What does it do in game" or "How much of it is there?"

[carmine rover]

thanks.. presumably how much will it cost or at least the lowest price will be, like on T1?

[potent dock]

The idea of a Dutch Auction is that the price starts ridulously high, and lowers over time until someone decides to buy. As such, the community will decide the price, and it's impossible to predict what people will be willing to pay.

People have made predictions, but no can can say for sure until Land Sale day and we're actually in the thick of it 😛

[lucid karma]

we should do a poll, how much would you pay for each tier

that should give ballpark

[carmine rover]

yeah. for sure the price will be extremely high. Where will be the Dutch auction gonna take place?

[potent dock]

The poll is the Dutch auction xD

Lots of different possibilities were discussed for land sale format, and dutch auction has the least problems... let me find a summary.

[lucid karma]

i didn't mean land would be priced off the poll, just to get an idea what people are willing to pay

[potent dock]

Ah fair, I understand. In fairness, the average concensus will matter less than the maximum people will pay, as the maximum will be the one buying land first. For deeper land pools(i.e. T1/T2), the price might come closer to the average, but the format does have an element of FOMO as you see the remaining land for sale decrease.

[cinder fractal]

Eth is big market cap not easy to move 3x if btc doesn't go close to 100k

[glad laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/bitcoin-ethereum-the-flippening-invest-investment-gif-21344972

[cinder fractal]

Many people expect 10k so I wouldn't be surprised to get stopped around 8/9k and to have a pull back before we finally reach 10k

[potent dock]

We're fully out of IL:Z with ETH/BTC MCap discussions haha. I wouldn't bank on 10k ETH by the land sale unless we see some of the craziest growth in crypto history in the next 2 months.

[cinder fractal]

Not really its connected to ilv0 8f eth at least 2x from here ilv will 3x from here so we will see gigantic land sale in $ 😂

Craziest thing is how in nft world people are willing to give away more eth during the bull run and less during the bear for same thing completely fascinating fact to me

I guess euphoria and adrenaline are always stronger than any logic :)

[still crag]

Will the starting prices of the lands be known before the auction starts?

Or just surprise?

[ivory bough]

There will be other docs regarding land sale, how it works and what prices they will start at.

[still crag]

Thats good

[hushed wave]

How big is the land? What stuffs can we put/grow on it?

[celest badger]

Br?

[glad laurel]

Check out the "Spoiler" pin for the game design document.

[potent dock]

BIG! Visually, at least - it's virtual land. Check #🚰〕leaks for scale, look for the character size 😛

For what you can do with land, read JohnnyA's posts in this channel, or check the GDD in the pinned messages.

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-austin-powers-mike-myers-gif-22046787

[fallow sentinel]

Is there a general estimate on prices for the different tiered lands?

[thorny crater]

Dutch action

If you scroll up like two thumbs worth you find the answer

[fallow sentinel]

100 billion dollars?!? Omg

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-mr-burns-muahahaha-evil-laugh-gif-4482837

[glad laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/basically-all-the-money-money-persuade-convince-dwayne-johnson-gif-12856866

[thorny crater]

That’s been happening for like 100+ years in stocks. Human nature mixed with emotions

[little moon]

thats why they say time in the market is better than timing the market. those in it for the long run always come out on top.

[thorny crater]

Exactly. I’m long run didn’t start investing till i was 30…but compared to the rest of the people i know that’s early. Got my little cousin 18-25 reading books, from stocks, to crypto. Trying to get them hyped about this game lol

[cinder fractal]

One friend and 2 family members that's how many people I forced into our pools :)

Probably I will make one special wallet for all of us to buy land together because I want other people to play ilv0 so I can have more time for main game

[junior saddle]

hello everyone

[muted yew]

in a dutch auction, would a lot of people pay more for the same tiered land as someone else who waited for the price to drop?

[thorny crater]

It drops till its all sold. So if you buy it at 1000$ i wait and buy it at 500$ then i paid less for the same tier land.

Is that what your asking? @muted yew

[fallow sentinel]

I wonder how much Tier 1 and Tier 2 will cost 😱

[south belfry]

how is it going to be auctioned? in one big batch or by tiers?

[potent dock]

We don't know whether it will be like, T5 first, T1 last, or vice versa, or randomly etc. We do know there will be 20k.

[south belfry]

so 20k initally and then a total of 100k total over time?

[glad laurel]

20k total over a variety of tiers in the first auction and 100k plots total over time. Current plan.

[south belfry]

cool

[fallow sentinel]

Tier 1 will be so pricey 😄 🤣 I will for sure at least get a Tier 5 hahh

[rugged walrus]

i think you got it flip flopped lol tier 5 should be the highest and tier 1 lowest

[lucid karma]

https://tenor.com/view/contestant-amazed-rrice-is-right-gif-22585818

[south belfry]

also is it going to be 100k forever? or more added over time

[potent dock]

Everything could be changed by a DAO decision, but I imagine increasing the number of lands would be taken very seriously, and would obviously have some opposition by current land holders.

[muted moth]

Do you guys know what currencies will be accepted on the marketplace once it is up?

[potent dock]

Player to player trades will be in ETH.

[rugged walrus]

The lands could function similarly to the monsters, if you fuse enough of them together then perhaps you get a higher tier land, in which case they would have to increase the supply at some point. just spitballin though

[south belfry]

yeah i think land should be scarce enough to where its not over saturated and defeats the purpose

[thorny crater]

There is only 7 tier 5s.
(Subject to change)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857471213513605140/867823747330474014/SPOILER_Illuvium_Zero_GDD.pdf#page11

[fallow sentinel]

Oh yeah I got numbers turned around hahaha

[thorny crater]

It happens. There is a lot of info to take in

What is a server booster? Is that a job at Illuvium? If so how can i apply lol

[rugged walrus]

Server boosters have discord nitro

boosting server gives the server extra perks like higher sound quality on the voice chats, larger sendable file sizes, and custom banner

not related to the game

[muted yew]

Ya that's exactly what I was wondering. Seems strange that people would pay different prices for the same land

[hollow oak]

There will be land that has more earning potential and will be more rare and therefore it will cost different than other land

[ember compass]

No, not at all strange... quite normal for people to end up paying diff amounts for same/similar things.

I would assume that you and I have paid different amounts for ILV... land will be the same. Completely dependent on 'when', 'how many', fees at the moment, and in the case of land the tier and 'quality within the tier'.

And while all T1 land will be similar, it will not be identical (diff # of sites for diff elements). It has been mentioned that over the course of time all land, of the same tier, will have similar earning potential - regardless of sites/elements. Which means that if people have a specific goal (produce # of X) then they might value some T1 lands higher than others.

[thorny crater]

Yeah Dutch action is bitter sweet cause it a roller coast of emotion ahah. Like how bad do you want that land compared to how bad i want……and I WANT it. 2 T1s or a t2-5

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-movies-quotes-emotions-emotional-gif-16276471

[thorny crater]

Yes and no. Technically you could get a t5 for the same price as a t1…..but i myself wouldn’t let it get low. The second i could buy a t5 it would be mine

[hollow oak]

Yeah how does that differ with what i said?

[thorny crater]

True. I bought ETH at 1700 and still buying it now lol

[hollow oak]

I just said it Will vary in price because of earning potential which is true because people wont let that chance go by :)

[candid geyser]

So we all don’t even know a starting price, I don’t know how I should prepare for the battle

[thorny crater]

Yeah but when you say “vary in price” i am think about it as it will go up, which if that what you’re saying is incorrect. The price will only go down for each.

T5 can start at 1 million and so could a T1

[candid geyser]

If T1 starts at 1m, then it’s gonna be crazy

[thorny crater]

Save everything you can. That’s the bitter part of a Dutch action lol

The sweet part is whales can’t just keep bidding into oblivion

[candid geyser]

Whales would pump the revenue distribution

[little moon]

im not complaining

[thorny crater]

THey will for sure. I hope they buy t5s for multiple millions honestly

Revdivs 🤓

[little moon]

that would be amazing

[vivid cipher]

I am ready to receive the revdis

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-ilv-yield-farming-yield-farm-play2earn-gif-22992704

[candid geyser]

I am also willing, ready and capable to receive the revdis 🤣🤣

[elder pecan]

Boa noite

Aluguem precisando de jogador

Alguém *. Estou a procura de um time que esteja precisando de jogador para poder jogar nas hora vagas que os demais não estejam jogando

[thorny crater]

Yo hablo un poco de espanol Pedro #796506693973311549 o #808499666639388682 ayudará

[dawn cradle]

Has there been any discussion on the Illuvials rarity and how it appears in the different land tiers. I understand L4 land is level 4 rarity and L2 land is level 2 rarity, but is that randomized where all the same creatures appear on all levels but rarer ones are more common on L4 land or are some Illuvials only discoverable on higher lands? And does the element of the land come into play as to what Illuvials can or are more commonly found?

[thorny crater]

I know to get higher level illuvial you have to travel those higher level lands in the main game. Which will cost certain amount of fuel.

But the mini game will have a scan feature to make blue prints. I do not recall being able to catch anything for the mini game.

[dawn cradle]

The Illuvials can be scanned, and once they are scanned they can be researched to develop NFTs.

[potent dock]

Per sautmm:

(in pins)

Veracity: Unclear

[dawn cradle]

I get that. But for Illuvium tier... can you find ultra rares lets say in Tier 1 just at a lower rate? Or is it only Ultra rares at T3 and above for example?

[thorny crater]

T0 looks better than t 1 😅 and t2

[potent dock]

Yeah unclear where this T0 info came from, but if it doesn't produce NFTs, it would kind of make sense for it to be about T4 equivalent in terms of normal resources.

[potent dock]

I don't think we know that info, but Johnny might be willing to answer ya 😛 AFAIK high tier land + Illuvial scans are associated with the best/rarest blueprints and Illuvials to scan, there might be some spillover of T5 Illuvials rarely wandering through T4, but I'm not sure.

[thorny crater]

I could have swore i heard on one of the interview that illuvial are rate t0-t5 and like we would have to travel to that area to get that tier illuvial though….correct me if I’m wrong.

If so, would lower level illuvial be on higher land as well? Maybe to fight beside the upper tiers, Time will tell

[dawn cradle]

Because based upon everything I have seen so far fuel is unlikely to justify the premium for T4 land over T1 or T2. T5 have their own thing with the endorsements and stadiums. So if T4 Illuvials can be found in basically all Tiers, it is tough to see a reason to justify the likely T4 premium pricing.

And JQTs that is for the main game. Not the minigame I don't think though I suppose it could apply as well.

[thorny crater]

Ah yeah. I thought you were talking about the main game.

Had no clue we could even catch an illuvials in mini at all. Just make NFT stuff but not catching

[dawn cradle]

Its more scanning the Illuvials, then researching their attributes, which may fail or may create an NFT. If it creates and NFT, you can then build a weapon or something and sell it or sell the NFT itself. The rarer the weapon/NFT, the more valuable I would assume. So... trying to figure out which tier is likely to create valuable NFTs.

[thorny crater]

Ah yeah gotcha that i knew…yeah no clue what your asking for lol

[dawn cradle]

It seems fuel production and then selling the fuel has been pretty well explained including how that impacts land levels. I feel I understand that. Resources I kind of get and since they aren't likely to make money directly (more grow the land for development) the details aren't that crucial. Rather, the other main way to make money directly is the researching of NFTs based upon scanning Illuvials. Just trying to understand those dynamics in a bit more detail as it likely determines what type of land purchase strategy I follow. I am not quite in the "Buy all the T5 land" phase of my life yet.

[livid tundra]

t5 land is likely unattainable for anyone here unless you currently already live in a mansion and have many cars

[glad laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-eye-roll-tom-hiddleston-annoyed-peasants-gif-14339235

[thorny crater]

Gotcha….yeah my goal is to be a nature(poison) with ice master that’s makes weapons and armor. PVP is meh to me

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/not-worthy-waynes-world-bow-praise-gif-4881098

[amber atlas]

Scanning and Research is not impacted by Land Tier, other than by your ability to get the required structures built quicker if your land is resource rich

I've explained in quite a bit of detail how this (Scanning and Researching) works here (in chat), but we don't have an external facing document that sums it up nicely

happy to answer questions though

[mortal merlin]

Your chance to scan higher tiers Illuvials goes with the land tier no?

[amber atlas]

no

the Fuel sites make the higher tier lands significantly more valuable, Fuel is the main value generation mechanic, but Research is a relatively even playing field

the availability of resources would impact research to some extent... if you fully dedicated a T1 land and a T3 land to research the T3 would be able to do more research... but it will be a small advantage, on the other hand if you fully dedicated a T1 land and aT3 land to Fuel production the T3 land would have a very large advantage (without the Fuel sites you can only passively collect a small amount of Fuel)

the idea was that this keeps T1s quite interesting and valuable, whilst still giving very strong advantages to the higher tier lands

[mortal merlin]

Ok thanks so the numbers in the old GDD are not relevant anymore

Concerning scanning higher tier illuvials

[amber atlas]

no, let me have a chat to Aaron about releasing the latest Scan and Research designs, they are fully fleshed out now

[mortal merlin]

That would be very kind thanks!

[south belfry]

SILV is on the climb

[dawn cradle]

That information would be useful. However, I do have a concern as I know there was comments originally that you did not want T4 to just be 3x or 5x or whatever T2s. Given that the fuel will be a distinct multiplier and now it seems the Scan and Research will be as well, what is unique from the T2-T4 lands that differentiates them from each other than quantity? T1 won't have fuel and T5 will have endorsement opportunities. I get those differences. But why is T4 not just some x multiple of a T2 land?

My other concern is that I like the concept described earlier by the development team that in a land game there are different optimal playing styles. Some might scan for Illuvials, others farm fuel, others do arbitrage. It seems very likely based upon this information that there will be clear optimal strategies based upon the tier of land. For L3 and probably 4 you farm fuel. For L1 you scan for Illuvials and hope to get a lucky NFT. Is there concern that you are optimizing different tier lands for different strategies as opposed to allowing each tier to have multiple optimal strategies for maximizing income?

[arctic garnet]

I'm not sure the latter should be a concern. The better the rarity the more options you have. If you can afford both a T4 and a T1, then you might as well use them optimally (if you want to do both). There will always be something that is optimal, and that will be partly decided by the market. If the NFTs become very expensive because everyone wants to buy them, then even the T4s might end up scanning. But they can at any time go back to fuel extraction based on demand.

[thorny crater]

I thought i had seen that somewhere. glad its not a thing lol

[mortal merlin]

Im actually bummed its not a thing haha

[south belfry]

im ready for this land and to start playing

[ember hill]

I'm curious to hear more detail on the point raised by @dawn cradle as well. I think it's just that we don't know many details about IZ gameplay, but the key point is whether gameplay in IZ involves much in the way of choices or whether progression is very linear--e.g., if the only goal is to maximize resource collection and there's only one optimal way to do it. Usually games with highly linear progression without being able to make meaningful choices tend to get boring real fast. I think it'd just be great to hear more detail on the game though, since it sounded like they had some strategy elements in mind

[thorny crater]

i'm just a lonely shrimp at the moment I got to get what I can haha

[south belfry]

well its more or less considered a mini game, and mini games just supplement the main game

[arctic garnet]

yeah I imagine most of the strategy will just be on optimizing resources to build things, which order to build, when to switch extraction to other resources, whether research is better, etc

[south belfry]

people still play clash of clans this many years later so if this goes that route shouldnt be a problem

[thorny crater]

My goal is to get a t-2 to 4 or two t1s

[amber atlas]

that's almost the opposite of what I said... Research will be very level across all Tiers, the only small advantage being if you full dedicated a higher Tier site to Research you may get a advantage over a lower Tier site as you can produce more resources to Fuel that research ... however keep in mind it would be a very odd strategy to full dedicate a (e.g.) a T3 site to research given that it would very likely be more productive to dedicate it to Fuel production

[amber atlas]

There are meaningful decisions at a macro level: ```

Single Fuel Production vs Multi-Fuel Production (Multi-fuel makes you self sufficient and more resilient to market fluctuations, but is probably not as optimal in terms of raw output)

Passive Fuel production vs Active Fuel production (how much time do you want to spend, some structures will passively generate requiring only an occasional collection action, other might require you to interact much more frequently)

No Research vs Some Research vs All Research (The scan and research activities are quite different to fuel production, they have a chance element and require more steps to get to an outcome, you could set up a single Singualrity Scanner and Materials Lab to do this, skip it entirely, or dedicate your whole plot to it... where do you draw the lines between risk, fun, profit, etc)

Market based approaches like arbitrage (you optimise your ability to convert one Fuel in to another and wait for the appropriate market conditions to capitalise on this... or rebuild to meet market conditions)```

There are also meaningful decisions at a micro level, something we added since the initial design was the ability for the distance between structures to affect the efficiency of those structure, specifically to ensure for those interested there were deep and complex decision to be made, for example: ```- A scanner is more effective when it is distant from other structures

• Most buildings are more efficient when close to a power source (a power source is not required, it is a power boost)

• Some storage facilities become more efficient when near other similar storage facilities, but others work the opposite way```

Simple rules like applied to a very large number of possible combinations allow for very deep and complex gameplay decisions

(for example weighing up scanner efficiency vs building more structures near to the scanner)

[ember hill]

Ok I need to play this game asap 🤣 This sounds awesome

[amber atlas]

Now that said, is there some weighting added by the Tier, and in particularly your plot? Yes. If you have a ton of Crypton sites on a T4 land it probably makes sense to maximise for Crypton production

[ember hill]

@amber atlas will there be NFT decorations we can acquire to customize our land's appearance?

[amber atlas]

you can build structures that are cosmetic, but they, like all structures, are not NFTs, there is talk of also adding skin NFTs for your plot or structures, but nothing has been finalised on that front

Note: I forgot to include building aesthetically pleasing sites as part of the macro decision making process

(I always liked this element of these kind of games, and every Illuvual you scan can be placed on a** Holographic Statue** structure to show it off)

[ember hill]

Can we visit other people's land plots?

[amber atlas]

maybe not in v1, but yes... there may be a privacy mode if some people don't want to share, need to discuss that with you guys

[ember hill]

Awesome. Gonna be so much fun implementing new features to the mini game over time I'm sure. Thanks for all the detail 🙂

[thorny crater]

This reminds me of civilization computer game. I started on IV(test of tim) and i have the newest version today and still play lol

[cinder rover]

I received an email the subject is: You have a shot at winning 10 ILV!... Is this legit?

[amber atlas]

no, (probably no, let me double check with marketing)

[glad laurel]

Lol wut #📣〕announcements message @cinder rover

[amber atlas]

@glad laurel its not very hard for someone to see this announcement and spoof emails that match our offer details

[glad laurel]

True, the e-mail may be a scam - but there is such a giveaway

[amber atlas]

personally I would never click links in an email, even if it looks like it comes from us, instead use it as a prompt to go to the officially announcement channel

[cinder rover]

I clicked GET IN WHILE YOU'RE ELIGIBLE and redirected me here... Not legit?

[dawn cradle]

Johnny... Look I believe in this project. I'm mid six figures invested in it already and was planning on low to mid-low six figures investing in the land sale. I play a lot of online games that involve land development. I am literally your target customer.

My questions are designed with one goal in mind - do I invest in a few T4s and farm aggressively or buy tons of lower end T1s and T2s that I visit once a day and passively build upon? At this point it sounds like scanning for Illuvials is optimizable at the lower tiers. And for me the question becomes do I do passive investment at lower tiers and scanning or active fuel investment at top tiers.

If you at least scaled scanning the way you scale fuel production for T4 versus T1 then that would make more sense frankly to allow different play styles across levels of land. I will admit I loved the idea of T4 land having unique Illuvial NFTs that only it could get which could justify a premium on the land. In the end though you've answered my questions even if I don't necessarily love the dynamics. Thank you.

[ember hill]

Was probably legit then---there was an official email like that. But don't click email links again 😄

[amber atlas]

understand, and will publish as much detail on the mechanics as we can before the land sale, we want people to make informed choices! There are still varied playstyles across Tiers, but my feeling at least is at the T4 level people are probably looking to maximise production and reduce risk, which will strongly favor certain play styles

[cinder rover]

Thanks for the tip

[amber atlas]

in regards to T4 being a multiplier of T2 (or T3), the other factor to consider here is the resources (both time and Fuel) required to optimise multiple plots vs 1

for the sake of example lets say it cost 100 "Fuel" and 100 Days, and 200 horus of work to optimise your T4 site, and that after optimised it takes 30 minutes a day to maintain this optimal production

for 5 T2's this might be 500 Fuel, 100 Days, 1000 hours, plus 2.5 hour per day

[dawn cradle]

Yeah... some of that ties into the 2x2 concept and 3x3 concept of megacities discussed previously. And how easy/quick it will be to switch between different "land plots" in the game itself. I'm guessing some of that will have to be a leap of faith in a sense for the users.

[amber atlas]

if you hire people to run your plots, then you need to take that in to account, etc

[dawn cradle]

Agreed

Maybe I am missing the fuel concept for plots though. I'm assuming that T2+ will likely generate enough fuel on their own to be self-sufficient for building more advanced buildings at least within normal concepts. T1s likely to require additional fuel to optimize production (though in a single account I could use my extra fuel from T2+ on my T1s to develop). Is this assumption fair?

[muted yew]

Haha ya it sounds wild. I wonder if they'll show how much land is remaining as the price drops??

[muted yew]

Oh wow that's really good info to know. Do we have info on which characteristics of land would be more active/passive or anything like that, in terms of earnings?

[amber atlas]

you can always use the Converter structures to get any Fuel (once you have the required tech), but it will be slow, you will be waiting to gain resources, rather than actively building or doing

everyone can be self sufficient if they don't care about time it takes to do stuff

but obviously having your structures idle because you are waiting for Fuel is not ideal

[amber atlas]

active/passive is a player choice not determined by land

[vivid cipher]

Johnny dropping knowledge. Thank for digging fortisanima

[amber atlas]

Talking of dropping knowledge...

Note the disclaimer, in particular the random chance table will probably be adapted to use the same rarity calculation we use for Illuvials in the main game, rather than the pool method described

[mortal merlin]

Ok good

So once you have 150 successful scans, you can't do anything research wise anymore

Until next set

[amber atlas]

note that scanning is not research

once you have the biodata then you perform research against it (or with it)

[mortal merlin]

I was gonna ask yea. For example you scan atlas and you research the biodata and you get a blueprint. You can't get anymore blueprint from atlas anymore?

[amber atlas]

there are a lot more options there:

you can get an atlas skin Blueprint for any weapon or armour in the game, so there are a lot of possibilities

[mortal merlin]

So once you have Atlas biodata, you can research it over and over again?

[amber atlas]

yes

[mortal merlin]

Cool

[amber atlas]

and you get better at researching those affinities the more you do it

[mortal merlin]

Very nice mechanic

[amber atlas]

I will publish the research design, but its a lot more complex so I need to clean-it up for public consumption and get Aaron to double check for stuff we don't want to leak

[mortal merlin]

So even if you have all scans, you cant store them all right?

[amber atlas]

if you wanted to go down that path you can build more scanners or databanks to store them

noting that getting all the cross regions scans is going to take quite some time

(i.e. finding Illuvials that don't normally belong in your region is rare)

[mortal merlin]

Sure but if you have all regions in your lands

[amber atlas]

sure

[mortal merlin]

Does your account have the same progression

[amber atlas]

I figure most people wont have 7 lands 🙂

[mortal merlin]

Or building

[amber atlas]

v1 it is definitely not connected

v2 maybe, beyond I would say for sure (but the mechanics of multi-land are not being developed yet)

[mortal merlin]

Gotcha. Even ressources between lands you own?

You have to sell it and buy it back

[amber atlas]

so to be clear all multi-land stuff is hypothesis, but there is a building Zero Point Transducer for teleporting stuff

it is used by the marketplace for example so you can sell stuff on the market

one might imagine that once we have multi-land support fully going that same building could be used to transport resources between your own plots (for some resource fee)

[mortal merlin]

Sounds good

To optimize

God i'm hyped hahah

So if for example I dedicate a T1 land just for research, will I have enough biodata storage for current set + future sets for that region? Or we will be forced to delete biodata that we can't ever scan again?

[amber atlas]

as per design once you delete a biodata it can be scanned again

[mortal merlin]

Thanks for taking time btw to answer our questions, really appreciated

[amber atlas]

we haven't determined how many slots are in a data bank nor how it scales with building upgrade

off the cuff I'd say around 10,20,30

the scanner itself would be more like 5,5,5 or maybe 5,10,15

[mortal merlin]

Ok good that you are there. Aaron would have said : its gone forever, deal with it

[amber atlas]

hah

[gaunt slate]

@amber atlas your posts here are like, the literal highlights of my time in Discord. You da real MVP

[amber atlas]

hah, don't let Aaron or Kieran hear that I'll get my butt kicked

[mortal merlin]

@amber atlas is the VN of Illuvium Zero hahah

[amber atlas]

😉

[mortal merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-keep-it-safe-secret-lord-of-the-rings-gif-13760065

[small star]

https://tenor.com/view/smokin-hot-love-flaming-heart-passionate-heart-dang-its-hot-in-here-heart-throb-gif-15529849

[amber atlas]

in any case @mortal merlin it seems very likely if you fully dedicated a plot of land to scanning, research and data storage, that you could store all 150 biodata for one set, and probably several sets

[mortal merlin]

Very nice

[amber atlas]

alrighty, some other stuff needs my attention, ciao folks!

[mortal merlin]

I totally intent on getting 1 T1 in every region to get things going with research

Love it

[crimson abyss]

Thanks @amber atlas this was awesome. Really appreciate you sharing!

[small star]

I've the same feeling

[jaunty ermine]

Nice infos, i hope to see what will be the way and currency of buying land and i wonder how much they will be cuz that dutch auction style sound spooky high

I just read back all the infos pmuch

[small star]

Seems bigger tiers of land are only interesting for fuel production, without the illuvials tiers stuff, seems less valuable .... but certainly could evolve with time i supose

[jaunty ermine]

Wonder what could be a t1-t3 range realistic price lvls

Does JohnnyA play RuneScape? If yes which? Haha

[thorny crater]

I offer myself as tribute to be a beta tester.....I'll take one foe the team. But everyone you own me one😅

https://tenor.com/view/volunteer-vote-volunteer-of-the-year-gif-13937093

[thorny crater]

and thats how t1 land will be sold for 1k plus haha I think 1k is low now

[potent dock]

In light of the sILVening, I think T1 will be more than 1k now, yeah.

[brittle star]

where do I buy sILV, is it on uniswap?

[glad laurel]

Yeah, there's a pool there.

[brittle star]

it doesn't appear on the list, is there a guide anywhere on how to swap for sILV?

[buoyant wasp]

Go uniswap, search for the contract , you can get silv contract by using !contract in the bot channel

[brittle star]

ok thanks

[buoyant wasp]

I personally use Zerion to buy cos the UI is easier , can search contract there as well

[glad laurel]

Addresses of tokens are also pinned in #🥩〕staking

[thorny crater]

I am not seeing the address tokens there

found it in #💰〕token though

[jaunty ermine]

Is it confirmed the price will be in sILV?

[amber atlas]

how did that idea come about? I was totally addicted to Runescape during my early twenties, so you will often here me cite it as an example 🙂 I played classic when it first come out cough showing my age cough, and RS2, although I've logged in to RS3 I didn't really play it, and same for the re-release (Old School)

[jaunty ermine]

I saw a msg by u comparing it to ironman mode in rs, self productive and use stuff haha, i am a main rs3 player but i am not ironman but playing since 2006 ;)

[amber atlas]

never actually played ironman mode (well maybe for 10 minutes), but I still from time to time watch twitch and youtube vids of oldschool

[vivid cipher]

Basically is yeah.

[amber atlas]

I thought the PVE was pretty cool in RS3, but I'm more of an idler when it comes to PVE, I mostly was in to PKing in the early RS1 and RS2 days ... it also kind of sucked to go from being high-level in early RS2 days where 99's were huge achievements, to modern RS2/RS3 where most serious players are maxed or near max

[jaunty ermine]

;p i am into rs3 pvm its pretty good imo

[amber atlas]

I'm donwloading now, so please note you may be personally responsible for any timeline issues 😛

[jaunty ermine]

O.o while iam here looking into the lands and the main game , hope i didnt couse delays lmao

[amber atlas]

hah only joking, but I guess we are getting a bit off-topic

[jaunty ermine]

:)

[gilded wren]

how many buildings can be fit into 1 lot of land?

[amber atlas]

roughly around 200, different structures have different grid sizes, and we haven't finalised the exact grid size

[gilded wren]

the land is so big👀

[amber atlas]

due to the micro management stuff, (efficiency based on proximity to other buildings) it is probably not ideal to absolutely pack your plot full

which has a neat side effect of leaving some room for cosmetics without too much impact on efficiency

[south belfry]

im literally about to spend everything i own on land. stop lmaoooo

[marble copper]

[candid geyser]

What is the situation of this proposal?

So all what I acquire in Illuvium Zero becomes invalid except for fuel, NFTs and land ownership?

[small star]

That .... is going to be difficult to micro-manage if i want a land in each region lol

[amber atlas]

that proposal is the proposal to build the mini game

[south belfry]

for this reason is why i believe there should be a scholar program

[amber atlas]

v1 is the alpha, Fuel cannot be generated in v1 (or at least it can be generated only as an internal resource to us in your own site, it is not on the blockchain and has no value)

[uneven elbow]

I logged into my old account on old school RS the other day, I used to sweat the crafting skills to pay for pking gear for a low level account mage in the wildy it was stupidly addictive those were the days 😍

[south belfry]

will progress be saved after v1

[amber atlas]

when v2 is launched, all data will be wiped, excluding blockchain data (of course), this means lands and blueprint NFTs will persist but everything else will be gone

after that point within your own land/account data is persisted

[south belfry]

so all resources or buildings and resources

[amber atlas]

both, everything else

[south belfry]

i firmly believe with the magnitude of this game there should be some type of scholar program for people that own multiple land because people may get priced out real quick

[amber atlas]

clan/guild and scholar programs are being discussed for both games

[south belfry]

you really want me to invest everything i own into this lol

[amber atlas]

hah, just be mindful that we don't have a timeline for those features, and its best to follow Kieran/#announcements for those kind of announcements

[south belfry]

still lmao this game is gonna be the frontrunner of the evolution of gaming

[amber atlas]

we hope so!

[south belfry]

clans/scholar programs i believe is a must imo gives people more opportunity

[jaunty ermine]

So have to restart from 0? I guess wil be good for a trial how to place buildings, will there be a way to move them around? Like teleport building lol or like starcraft2 terran buildings can fly over xD,
Also is it confirmed the payment will be in sILV for lands?

[south belfry]

exactly its basically a free test to see how you can min max

[hazy quarry]

That's a lot to backread.

[amber atlas]

moving/teleporting buildings is free, I think min-maxing is too painful if you have to pay for that (and I imagine that would just lead to someone making an app which lets you test combinations free anyway)

(or you could just do it on t0/virtual land)

[jaunty ermine]

Ability to move them around is cool

[south belfry]

maximize the gains

[amber atlas]

yeah, playing the game without micro management is still workable, its not like poor placement is going to lead to zero production or negative production, it is only a loss when compared to an optimal (or any better) positioning

[jaunty ermine]

Is the payment currency for buying land is decided yet?

I havent seen that anywhere yet

[amber atlas]

I believe it is still sILV and ETH, however stuff related to sale is better addressed to Kieran or Aaron

[jaunty ermine]

So will be able to pay with eth?

[south belfry]

yeah and paying with silv will be nice

[amber atlas]

directly from proposal:

[jaunty ermine]

Cuz i honestly dont have any ilv/silv yet cuz idk how much it is needed rly

[candid geyser]

So what do I benefit from playing in v1? Sorry if this sounds stupid. I just want to know what I can take to the next version

[small star]

https://tenor.com/view/smokin-hot-love-flaming-heart-passionate-heart-dang-its-hot-in-here-heart-throb-gif-15529849

[jaunty ermine]

They said blueprint nft can be kept what u produced

[fair temple]

Pre-release in-game Experience!

[amber atlas]

sometime between v1 release and v2 release will be v1.1, the plan is about 4 weeks after v1 release, this will be about adding a way for you to mint your researched blueprints

[candid geyser]

This would really bring mass adoption, as people would recruit others for this game. It’s a better way to go

[still crag]

Hi! Will there be information about start prices for the dutch auction before they start?

[fair temple]

I expect the closed beta to be f2p right? Since everything would be deleted lol

[jaunty ermine]

Will it be similar to ikariam? Used to play that game and rule a server with my clannies lmao then i passed the account cuz it became too much to look after time wise

[amber atlas]

the available blueprints in v1.0 (and 1.1 ) will be a small subset of the total available in v2.0

[candid geyser]

On this same land that we plan to buy, we can still get blue print in v2.0?

[amber atlas]

yes it is a subset (part of the overall set)

[candid geyser]

Perfect

I am not a gamer, but I am forced to game for money on my own land if I am able to buy the land. So I am just getting the necessary info.

[amber atlas]

@fair temple the game is f2p, anyone can from alpha onwards play on virtual land (T0) to experience the game, but they will not be able to earn, they can't generate NFTs or tradable fuel, to earn you need to play on T1 land or above (which is of course an NFT)

[long lantern]

@amber atlas thank you for taking the time to answer a lot of our IZ questions. We truly do appreciate it the additional insight despite some stuff still being subject to change

[amber atlas]

we hope that the game is fun enough that free players come in through traditional channels and get involved in the illuvium ecosystem

[still crag]

Im very excited about this game

[candid geyser]

Can I invite someone to play on my T1 land?

[jaunty ermine]

Worker ? Xd

[amber atlas]

thanks, although that is a reminder for me to spout my disclaimer that all design decisions are open to change, and of course any member of the community can propose a change by raising an IIP

[still crag]

I truly hope and believe that this game could change the future of nft gaming

[jaunty ermine]

@amber atlas

[candid geyser]

😂 😂 .. Friends and family members

[amber atlas]

not in v1 or v2, but in the longer term who knows (I'll add that it seems pretty similar to a scholar program without a fee, and that might be a pretty cool thing to add)

[candid geyser]

Thanks for taking your time to clear some things up

[south belfry]

everyone just needs to keep pushing for a scholar program to show we want it

[candid geyser]

If we can invite people it would be fun, lol.. Come to my land and let’s play

[amber atlas]

for sure, but we are getting in to wild conjecture territory now 🙂

[candid geyser]

Hehehehehe

[jaunty ermine]

@amber atlas

[still crag]

Its going to be the first time im interested in such a project, first because of the kind of game it is (pokemon like and strategy resources), second for its beautifull art concept and designs and of course for the possibility to ear some money. But I think for it to succed as a game changer, it must generate interest in players first for the fun and how good it is to play rather than for being able to get cash while playing. If it succeds in the first part, the second will come alone

[amber atlas]

we don't envisage it taking a heap of time to reach a fairly high level of efficiency (pending your own skill), it is still aimed at being a casual game, something you can pick up for a short sessions

[jaunty ermine]

I like that, thanks

[candid geyser]

I never played such games before, I am only into PlayStation games, but I am interested in this one and hope to enjoy it and earn money as well.

[jaunty ermine]

So sometimes check on it, manage it while playing the main game gucci

[amber atlas]

I would say so, but if you are talking about an intense focus on min/maxing in a fluctuating market, you can probably go pretty deep 🙂

[brittle star]

hey @amber atlas, I'm thinking of getting a group of friends together and investing in land to get a higher tier, do you think that will be achievable, and also is there any plan to add guild features into Illuvium zero or Illuvium. As we're thinking of grouping up and buying land for our guild

[long lantern]

thats risky and probably not a good idea. the land will be tied to 1 wallet...

[amber atlas]

there are no systems to support that in the short term

[candid geyser]

I thought as much.

[amber atlas]

(see what @long lantern said)

[brittle star]

thats an easy problem to fix, just create a DAO wallet with NFT fractal ownership. Having fully doxxed guild leaders

[jaunty ermine]

The betrayal

[candid geyser]

And if one person dies?

[still crag]

@amber atlas are the prices of the auction already decided and could you give a hint on how much they scale between Tiers?

[jaunty ermine]

I think they still deciding

[amber atlas]

its a Dutch auction it starts really high (exact high not determined), and gets lower over time until someone buys

technically it shouldn't matter if that high is 100k or 100M

[long lantern]

dutch auction, so the bidders "set the price". or do you mean the starting price before it drops?

[jaunty ermine]

I am just afraid it will be high and whales gonna bag all of them up and resale and controll the land pool

[candid geyser]

This scares the hell out of my life.. “How high, we dont know” 😩

[still crag]

Yes yes I know. Just would be nice to know them a bit before the auction starts if you want to plann for it

[candid geyser]

If you staked you wouldn’t worry so much, if they can pay 1 Billion, then I am gonna give up the land

[willow turtle]

That being said, could tie it to say a gnosis multisig and setup a mini DAO between your friends? Could see it playing out well that way

[jaunty ermine]

I dont have any staked yet but highly thinking on it

[brittle star]

was that question to me? You could ask the same question about the game of Illuvium itself

[candid geyser]

It’s a counter strike to the whole land purchase. Stake ILV and if you miss out on land, you get paid from the revdis. It’s a win win

[jaunty ermine]

Kinda wanna have a land to source myself etc

[still crag]

You could claim silv in advance to be prepared for the dutch auction

[candid geyser]

But we cant have it all and some guys are more prepared than the others. Some started preparing from day 1 and one needs a plan B

[amber atlas]

I think this is dangerous, we will be building wallet support for login, how do you sign the login request to actually use the land?

[jaunty ermine]

Will it be limited to buy x/wallet? I mean whales still could make many wallets

Kinda miss ip lock from blockchain to avoid multiple wallet abuse

[amber atlas]

probably, and yes

[candid geyser]

Ledger would still be needed for transactions right?

[amber atlas]

I'm not talking about trading the NFT, etc, that can happen as per normal

[willow turtle]

Good point, im sure governance arrangements and who gets to do the actual execution would have to sit within that group of friends. Maybe you need to DAO to authorise a transaction to an 'execution wallet' that some appointed member of the DAO actually executes. Can see this getting messy with larger DAOs as there exists a level of trust factor there

But aslong as you keep the treasury funds in the multisig and only make transactions to the execution wallet through a proposal it could be okay id say

[brittle star]

The same thing exists with the DAO of illuvium tbh

I mean, the council could just vote to close the game, if we are looking at risk... I don't see how a DAO for land would be different to a DAO for a game

[amber atlas]

I'm talking about how you login to your account in the mobile game client, so you can use it, rather than transacting on the chain

[willow turtle]

Nevermind actually just realised missed the point of what you said. Yes that would not solve for actual using the game client instead of fund management

[candid geyser]

Can one wallet buy at least 4 lands?

[amber atlas]

this is a Kieran question, or a wait until a public announcement question, we have talked about some kind of limit, but the number is not as yet decided

[candid geyser]

If we don’t know the starting price and stack up in one wallet or priced out of our wish. Then we can buy smaller lands with same wallet, maybe 4 or less.. I am just thinking out loud

[amber atlas]

in any case, once we drift in to sale mechanics and tokenomics, I'm not authoritative, so probably better for me to keep quiet 😉

[candid geyser]

This is a tough one. It’s getting hot in here

[amber atlas]

hah

with that in mind, I promised my wife some family time this evening, so I'll bid you adieu, feel free to @ me in questions and I'll try to get to them when I next have some free time (but stick to game design and tech 😉 )

[jaunty ermine]

Hmm just wanna prepare somehow but prolly all gonna be picked up by whales via outpricing me

Yea thanks dude, gn

[candid geyser]

Thanks for everything.. Game design after land sales.. All our thoughts are on the lands. 😂

[gilded wren]

What about ILLUVIUM: Fight for land! ....land invasion style....

[still crag]

Thanks for your time and feedback!

[still crag]

Me too, ill like to get a T2, but dont know how difficult it will be

I have 8 silv prepared for that porpouse, but the price of it at the moment of the auction is crucial too

Hope there isnt a btc dump by this time

[jaunty ermine]

Yea cuz they said fix usd value going down and u pay with crypto

So if market dumps =/ thats could be scary,but gaming might can tank

[still crag]

Fingers crossed

[jaunty ermine]

I was looking at axie price while we had that huge crash and it was like semi stable cuz it was actually used

Diff is this(illuvium) game is not yet running

[shy laurel]

When is the land sale?

[still crag]

End october I heard or early november

[candid geyser]

The strategy is to keep some USDT/C and to also keep some sILV. Whichever way it goes, you would win

[lunar shell]

The best strategy I would presume is buy sILV at actual prices as the arbitrage with ILV price is very high. sILV is like 244$ but as it will be valued at ILV price for the land sale you can consider it as 550$ (using today prices)

[jaunty ermine]

Eth instead of silv/ilv

I am unsure how to buy silv for land as of now

[candid geyser]

That’s what I meant.. but keeping some USDT, in case the market goes down

[candid geyser]

Go for sILV instead of ETH

[jaunty ermine]

Is there a guide how to get it?

[thin wolf]

Currentley trading on Uni

https://www.dextools.io/app/ether/pair-explorer/0x13cf86f52d4a3000ca7349ce5cf107c248dfea81

Just be sure to verfify the contract adress.

[little wagon]

@ivory vine What are your personal thoughts on the price for landsale for each tier?

[jaunty ermine]

Why is silv crashing then?

[little wagon]

I find it realy hard and difficult to decide how much sILV I have to set aside or buy even,..

[lunar shell]

Not crashing at all but an arbitrage opportunity. sILV cannot be staked for example and is the easy exit for those staking ILV that want instant liquidity

[little wagon]

If you rather won't share it, that's ok too

[ivory vine]

I cannot do anything more than speculating without any data to base it on like everyone else 🙂 I expect T1 to be above 1k and hope that T4 still can be purchased below 50k but I'm not confident about the latter. T5 I see go for six figures if not seven figures. But again, purely gut feeling without anything to base it on.

[little wagon]

can be done in dm to btw

[jaunty ermine]

T2 and t3 predict?

[little wagon]

Ah man, I can't stand the things that are unknown whaaahaaa 😣

[ivory vine]

Price uncertainty is also the reason I'm not sure yet if I buy land at all (aside from maybe a T1 just to have something). I got 45 sILV set aside for land but I'm not throwing this overpriced out of FOMO at this auction. Can always use it to farm in the main game after all.

[thin wolf]

If T1 goes for 1k and t2 produces double of t1 than t2 should be 2k t3 4k t4 8k and T5 1million😂

[surreal junco]

The land is really tricky. I was just thinking about this and if should chill out and see how things pan out.

[humble ether]

reading the scanning doc that johnny posted. so the purpose of blueprints is to produce that object it's representing? so an Atlas blueprint will produce an actual Atlas?

[thin wolf]

Yeah,my thinking is to get in on the second batch just to see when the dust has settled and the value finds it place.

[surreal junco]

With the way things r going tier 4 under $30k ll be a blessing

[thin wolf]

It would be,but nothing surprises me in crypto at this point,some people have way too much crypto to throw around:-)

[candid geyser]

What about using sILV to buy in game stuffs now and later reselling them or using them

[tawdry thunder]

That’s only three ethereum in December, cheap as chips!

[jaunty ermine]

Lmao

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-i-like-that-rhino-love-live-serve-good-idea-gif-19003960

[jaunty ermine]

Can happen but what if not and eth back to under 1.2k cuz every market is about to take a sht possibly cuz evergreen or w/e its called etc

[candid geyser]

Hehehehehe.. This is crazy. The competition would be real

[surreal junco]

Haha! You do believe Eth ll be valued at 10k then? If that’s is the case then be ready to buy lands at much higher prices

[candid geyser]

Exactly.. If price goes up, land price goes up too.. You wonder why they can’t even say how much the starting price would be?

Super whales 🐳 have their bags packed. When the auction starts, they decide the price they are willing to pay. If they buy, I would sit back and take my revdis

Starting price should be $10m, so those who staked can party hard

[little wagon]

I hope some are gonna throw a lot of eth at it too besides the sILV, just for the experience for every holder to recieve RevDis.

It will be great advertising for ILV!

[tawdry thunder]

I can’t imagine that too many whales actually want to buy land or even game, there are less time consuming ways to make money.

[little wagon]

I think they will buy just to speculate on it. I don't care if they are not gonna use it, the more advantage for the players that are actually using and exploiting their lands,...

It is land with actual usecase, not just for cosmetics, so it has a base value, that is what every whale should like

[jaunty ermine]

Yea can be re sell

So like a token really

[tawdry thunder]

I guess it depends on what you class as a whale.

[inland smelt]

Oh god it's leaking day today right ?

Leaks from Von LeakMann, now it's John LeakMan turn 😍

[little wagon]

https://discordapp.com/channels/760344898200666112/869632853598699611/875747667781779567

[tawdry thunder]

Now have a look at Eth whales. Both are great for illuvium. Both are valued on usd. I really don’t believe that whales will bother with the gaming aspect, they need shrimp in game to fill their belly.

[sterile pagoda]

Where can I find info about the land sale? Different tiers, times etc

[sand coral]

If you base it on axie and how early we are then if the game pops off come 2nd land sale it might be too pricey to get into

Because the actual game will be out and if its a good game it will quickly get traction. Crypto games are on fire atm

[tawdry thunder]

Everything is on fire, it’s a bull market.

[inland smelt]

check out pinned messages in this channel

[mortal merlin]

Please say sike.

[hollow oak]

Guild is very cool but i hope the scholars part is a sike

[slow cedar]

Months ago Kieran mentioned there was no real reason for scholars in the main game, but rentals might work. When land might be thousands each then land scholarship makes sense imo

[mortal merlin]

They can play on T0.

[tender marsh]

floor price on T5. 5000 sILV.

[mortal merlin]

Clan/guild is nice btw. Cooperation and social. Scholarships (free to earn) is a no.

[little moon]

damn thats really high

[round geyser]

is sILV 1/1 with ILV?

[ivory bough]

in game and market, yes

[slow cedar]

Any sign of a vote on this at all? Or is it all hypothetical atm? I'm a bit naive as to how the council voting works

[long tendon]

I'd like to see something that's similar to scholarship but not identical. I would rather have the option to focus on the RPG aspect and "loan" my illuvials to someone who can play the auto battler aspect then reap shared gains.

[mortal merlin]

I would vote against any scholarship system at this point until proven wrong. Exhibit : Axie's economy.

And I am morally against free to earn. If you want something, invest for it.

[slow cedar]

My thoughts are that if we look at what's best for the DAO, a whale knowing he can get serfs to farm his land may spend plenty more in the sale to buy many plots

[mortal merlin]

Also look at Axie's discord. Filled to the brim with people begging for scholarship. This would ruin our discord dynamic.

[slow cedar]

Can't disagree there

[mortal merlin]

This would heavily centralize the land and Illuvials ownership if we take that route.

[dawn cradle]

Yeah I am back. Interesting info on this chat. I would prefer no scholarship as well, though I do think how we are able to manage lands would be relevant for this. I would agree making it easier for whales to own land doesn't seem like a good use of resources. However, artificially trying to limit the amount of lands a single person could buy is likely useless as it is easy enough to create a new wallet and transfer Eth/SILV to it. In general I think allowing people to manage multiple properties easily but also not developing software to make giving the land ownership on a scholar system is likely the right balance in my view.

[cloud tinsel]

I really, really don't like scholarships... They feel wrong and also inflate prices to the point where to play you either have to be "rich" or you get a scholarship

[dawn cradle]

My question longer term is if it will be possible to transfer land to another wallet. As opposed to a scholarship system I have kids who love playing games. Loading a few cheaper lands with an otherwise empty wallet except for land is something that seems possible and would make managing land easier from my view. If there is no realistic way to transfer land then if I purchase more than one piece of land I will likely make the purchases under different wallets. Which could also impact the future "megacity" concept so just trying to understand how that dynamic plays out.

[willow turtle]

I think that over time they will need to continue to lower the price barrier for entry, maybe every 1-2 years everyone's land plots reset and get tiered up. Then a new set of T1 lands are released that are low cost, could be an interesting way to ensure low cost of entry to land and give the smaller players a way to 'make it' without having to receive a scholarship

[mortal merlin]

I disagree. Inflating the amount of lands would deflate the revenue per land. Also we can't force a reset because people will spend ETH to speed up things and Fuel and Ressources to build and do actions. You can't simply reset everything that someome invested a lot in.

Land amount will be caped.

[mortal merlin]

I agree, having the ability to easily switch between all your lands and manage them easily if way better than creating a scholarship system.

[willow turtle]

Thats true, but I dont think id agree with keeping the land amount capped. Simply means that there will be no supply of land for newer players and in turn i feel like that would make it harder for them to become immersed with the full game experience. Maybe new lands are introduced with different new forms of resources with lower harvesting rates than genesis land blocks, or perhaps land fractionalisation could work if the land blocks are large enough.

[mortal merlin]

There is T0 for those that want to play.

[dusty scaffold]

A scholarship system could work if it’s under illuvium control like eg u have x land to rent, u rent to the dao. The dao will auto pick from a list that wants to be under it. Then it rotates if no activity (eg 50% fuel contribution) for y days. Dao give fuel to owner and take a cut

[dawn cradle]

cryptoningen that is actually a good idea. To me the challenge though is you are looking at maybe 10k lands that would possibly enter the system. It just... doesn't seem like a good use of development resources for a team trying to build a new game.

[dusty scaffold]

Everything to be under code and automated. In a sense u rent to dao, dao will provide to the others who wants a piece of a $$ production system.

[thorny crater]

I posted it in #800565636178771988 but axie game gets about 6000eth per day in transaction! If you are not staked in illuvium right now that’s just down right crazy.

Ima do everything I can to buy as much land as possible lol

[dusty scaffold]

Yes I believe it’s not a good use of dev resource so it should be like a later part of the proj. Like after all land is release for a good year

Another interesting idea is I can think of for lesser dev development. U can stake ur land to dao (lock for x days). Dao puts it up for auction. All proceeds goes to owner after dao take a cut. The land is lent to bidder and that account get a small drop of speed up for buildings and uses that land to generate fuel. All fuel belongs to bidder. Once lockup ends, land become t0 and fuel is no longer sellable. And land is auto unlock/unstake. We can even set a simpler set like every lock is 3monty etc

[dawn cradle]

I think that is a good idea, or maybe more broadly I think it is safe to say that the phase 1 approach of having people manage the land directly that own it and solely be responsible for it is likely to be a bad long-term approach. I don't like the idea of having to have a wallet on my phone frankly. It is a security risk. I use hardware wallets for everything, but I'm going to use my phone as my primary connection to a wallet with x dollars in it. Maybe some way to verify land ownership to a login that can be used (without having to store your wallet on your phone) could be very helpful.

Regardless, it still seems like too much value is going to be locked into land owners that can't optimize their land productivity. Unlocking that value (via rentals, scholarship programs, DAO management, etc.) will make the land more productive which will drive future land sale value up and resell value up all making money for the stakers of Illuvium. Longer term... it seems like a win win to sort something out. But more Phase 2 or 3 most likely.

[dusty scaffold]

yes i agree, i only use hardware wallet too, i cant imagine having to work everything via phone. on a side note, dev work need $$ so to me having this solution means, the dao can always own a couple of land and permanently renting it out for the dao. the amt can always be recycled to become a floor for the lands. eg buyback of cheap land from the market and the cycle goes in a loop. depending on how different the tier of land, it can be seen as a VIP mode for t0 land if they bid for it.

then again all these are just ideas and eventually someone should raise it as proposal for a vote once its consolidated.

[rancid hatch]

Given that it's a dutch auction, is that the highest price? Or the lowest price it can possible go? Also, do you have an idea on the price of tier 4 and below lands.

[slate goblet]

Aaron had said (my interpretation, correct me if I'm wrong) that the DAO will produce fluctuated amounts of fuels to keep their prices stable. But here u talk about possibility to wait for market conditions, which implies that prices may rise and fall. Could u talk more details about this?

[vague briar]

they also have a 6 hour slowmode in some channels and sometimes they're forced to just block everyone from posting in these busy areas

[swift condor]

lol if you want to add fresh lumber for the fun fire that is #889908356905578526 all are welcome hehe that's why the tread was made

[tender marsh]

lowest for T5. increase by about 1000 sILV per month though

[mortal merlin]

6 hours slowmode and there is still 2 messages per second.

[rancid hatch]

I thought it was a dutch action? That's not a dutch auction

[mortal merlin]

Once again, any free to earn I will strongly oppose. People will pay for a land to profit. People cant just come with no money and earn. It is wrong.

They can play T0 and not earn. Or take their money and buy a land like everyone else.

[swift condor]

im dyslexic trust me happens all the time to me... for years i thought Image read as imagine

[rancid hatch]

During elementary years, I read myth as might...🤣

[little moon]

I picked the wrong gif, disregard, disregard, you all saw nothing.

Damn, and I'm in the wrong channel, this is why I don't wake up before noon, I just wanted to say hi to @mortal merlin

[mortal merlin]

Hello ser hahah

Always good to see you around

[little moon]

Well, that's nice of you to say. Are you going to become an Illuvium land baron btw? With the way people have been speculating about prices, I may be out......I was hoping to pick up some at a decent price, haha, silly me.

[vivid cipher]

What he’s saying is that this is his estimation of what the lowest sale price will be.

Even in a Dutch auction there will be a floor. The lowest price something gets sold for.

It’s a market decided floor and not a seller decided floor

[rancid hatch]

I meant datara said the the price increases.
In a dutch auction, prices fall until the set floor is hit.

[vivid cipher]

Well the auctions won’t last for months. Datara was saying the longer we wait for the sale the higher the amount of sILV is going to be available to buy land with.

Also… if the first 20k land can be purchased with sILV I imagine the other 80k will eventually be able to be purchased with sILV. However, This depends on the timing of those future sales. If some land isn’t sold until after token distribution yield farming is over than there would need to be a change in the tokenomics. It’s already being discussed in the DAO that different opportunities for claiming sILV could be made in the future.

[south belfry]

yes you can play for free but think if theres a scholarship program, people that cant afford to play with T1+ get no gain from playing the game and in other countries people make a living off playing the game because it makes more than what they get paid there

which is why axie has the issue of people in the discord begging to be scholars, they make more money than in their country

[graceful sierra]

How can i start the game?

[junior depot]

Does anyone know the estimated time when the land sale would be?

[hollow bay]

I just want to know your valuation of the land and the lowest price, because I am a college student and don't have much money

[inland smelt]

The game is not out yet. Open beta in Q1 2022

[inland smelt]

10 weeks from 21 August so it should be around early November

[inland smelt]

The exact price is not out yet. Since it'll be a Dutch Auction, price will start really high and drop lower over time untill someone get it.

[inland smelt]

IZ is just a mini game and it's not the only option to earn money in this Illuvium metaverse. If ppl can not afford to buy a land, they can play main game instead. Then capture T0 Illuvials and invest a small amount of money for travelling and earn more. No need any scholarship here IMO.

[south belfry]

they can do both though its just the principle why restrict yourself to 1 job when you could have a job and a side hustle that makes you money

[inland smelt]

But that "side job" is not what IZ is building here. They give you a free T0 to give everyone a chance to play just for fun. If you're not afford buy a >T0 land, and you don't want to play for fun either, you still have many other options instead of IZ. Play as a scholar in axie for example.

[sullen lance]

Can I combine my sILV with some ETH to get land you think?

[ivory bough]

Nope. It's either this or that unless added later.

[south belfry]

to say that is ignorant though because you cant make money using T0 land so how f2p is that it prices people out from the start so they should atleast have the opportunity to work for someone atleast with the fuel and sending resources

[inland smelt]

🤔 I didn't said T0 can make money. I just said that you can play for fun if you're not afford to buy. Sorry if my poor english made you misunderstood.

[odd furnace]

there was nothing wrong with what you said tbh like really what you said is true. There will be T0 land for people to see and play on they wont be able to earn about from it but its just for fun

[mortal merlin]

You are not supposed to earn money from nothing with Illuvium economy. This is not Axie. If you want scholarships, go play Axie.

[south belfry]

Isn’t that the point of play to earn though, you’re going to be playing the Main game from nothing

[mortal merlin]

No. You need to pay to earn.

Play to earn as it is done right now is wrong and unsustainable.

[gaunt slate]

I dont think tier 0 lands should produce any kind of value. They are honestly going to be subject to some kind of botting if they are. Getting something for free is going to put a massive tax on the economy if things are constantly leaving the economy without providing value. As for in game, I imagine fully leveled and evolved tier 0 illuvials will hold value for quite some time as a vehicle to be used to battle even the tier ones, so even a full blown free to play will be possible, especially earn.

After that, if 30$ for a travel/capture cycle is out of your price range, your life has MUCH bigger concerns to address.

[violet shell]

@bitter glade the Illuvium Zero land sale, how do you think things might work with the price discrepancy between SILV and ILV? I know we'll have the option to use SILV or ETH, but will the SILV be given a value equivalent to ILV or will be it pegged to whatever the price is on the open market

[mortal merlin]

Pegged to ILV

[south belfry]

I understand that, but… let’s say a whale has 20 land plots, they could easily appoint someone to manage it for them. People can play the T0 but if they want to be able to earn somehow that should be an option, there’s 100k land plots so it’s not like everyone in the world is getting that chance

[glad laurel]

Main game it will be very hard (if possible at all) to earn any significant amount without some investment up front

[gaunt slate]

@south belfry Why? The social strain that's going to put on the game while MILLIONS of people all chase a small handful of unmanaged Whale plots isn't even remotely worth it.