🎮〕illuvium-zero

[amber atlas]

there are definitely some places where we might use these kinds of attributes

[slate goblet]

yeah I totally agree that trustless is better 😄

[amber atlas]

but something like the amount of Fuel is a big thing to put trust in

[slate goblet]

and to handle security

[amber atlas]

I prefer the "Fuel Container" or "Fuel Options" view

where an NFT represents 10 Fuel or 100 Fuel (or whatever number we desire)

[slate goblet]

I see, so that it may be immutable

[amber atlas]

yeah

[slate goblet]

anything that makes it safer and easier to implement

[amber atlas]

in any case: I'm not making a commitment to this model, but I am making a commitment to raise it for discussion

[slate goblet]

tnx 🙂

[mortal merlin]

Could be a good in between. Really like the idea. Great thinking with what is available to us right now

[fast vale]

Excited right now

[vivid cipher]

Yeah this is an interesting out of the box idea. Thanks for sharing with Johnny.

I wonder if containers of fuel would be destroyed upon use or actually sent back through to the IZ system to get refilled. One of the ideas for erc20 fuel is that it’d get burnt on use. An nft fuel container could be collected by the treasury (in game fuel depo) to get scrubbed clean and then returned to the next IZ player ready to “claim”one.

A fuel container nft could also get burnt on use and the contained fuel could be assigned to an account. Potentially even to then be put into different, smaller containers for resale on IlluviDEX. How it would all work should depend a lot on the story behind the integration of fuel into the illuvium economy. But story could easily be tweaked for something like that I’d think.

[ember compass]

For those considering buying land... a little speculation follows. 🙂
I just read in the Design Doc that a Source (meaning the location(s) of a Resource deposit) on a parcel of Land will be "finite and immutable", which would mean 'you get what you get, the number and location of resource deposits will never change'.... which is to be expected.

However, the Quantity and Output of Resources at those Sources, which looks to be initially determined by the Land Tier level, doesn't seem to be specifically mentioned as un-changeable, the opposite is implied by the description of different Types of buildings which could potentially increase levels of production.

So a couple of #802110554784661544 occurred to me:
What if methods to invest in your Land which could upgrade/increase the base Output of a Source could be added. Which would mean that those of us who maybe aren't lucky enough to score a T2, T3, T4 Land, could eventually improve the base statistics of our T1 Land NFT (thus creating more profit, and increasing the value of the NTF)...

And - what about all of the cool plants that we keep seeing in the leaks... could there be the ability to fertilize the land, and start 'farming'? Based on what we've seen it seems like there are parts of the plants that can be harvested and used in game....

[inland smelt]

In the recent interview, Aaron said that "You might be the sort of person who wants to invest heavy into energy production, so you would do hydrogen type building. You might want to go into the industrial side and the extracting, in which case you would get the carbon type building. You might want to go heavily into research , so you would try to get a lot of silicon and build those type of building"

[vivid cipher]

Those materials would be for use only in IZ I think. Not in the main game. They get spent on building new structures or upgrading old ones.

[inland smelt]

really love the farming idea 👍 but since land have limitted space, this idea seem not possible at this moment

[grim cloud]

Can we buy land and play both games

[inland smelt]

of course

[ember compass]

maybe the space limitation issue could be solved by a range of 'Greenhouse' buildings with 'slots' for growing

[ember compass]

Thats the plan - the waiting part is hard though!

[grim cloud]

Are we able to sell that land in the future

[ember compass]

It will be represented by an NFT - so yes you would be able to re-sell

[grim cloud]

Awesome, definitely getting at least T1 if I'm able

[inland smelt]

That's a great idea!. Could you post this idea in the #802110554784661544 ? So that they can consider making this.

[ember compass]

Thanks for the push 🙂

[inland smelt]

No. Thank you because of your ideas and enthusiasm!

[fast vale]

Wonder how much is the minimum offer on lands

[amber atlas]

all land/NFT attributes are immutable, the structures are things added to the land as part of gameplay... if you didn't build structures then you wouldn't get any Fuel period

quality (of individual sites) has also been scrapped, it complicated things without really adding much, all sites for a given resource type are of equal quality

upgradable land is interesting, but would need a lot of thought and an IIP

(sorry for the short answers just about to log off, feel free to @ me in questions so I can provide better responses when I come online)

[uneven elbow]

Upgradable land would be awesome especially for people lucky enough to grab themselves T1 land.. I’m sure majority of people don’t mind grinding the hell out of a game if it means eventually they’ll be able to upgrade their land, sick idea 😝

[hardy brook]

If this is the case would it then be possible to sell unrefined resources to other land owners? Perhaps I develop my land in such a way I don't use much carbon. It would be nice to be able to sell it to another land owners that need it.

[radiant nacelle]

hello, could anyone answer me that question: when will the game realise??

[ivory bough]

!timeline hey. welcome

[dry forge]

The current estimates are:

• Closed beta in October / November
• Gameplay trailer end of October
• Illuvatar auction before open beta
• Open beta (launch) on PC & MAC in Q1 2022
• Mobile launch in 2022

Ongoing: Hiring of new Core Contributors, Influencer Partnerships and more

[cerulean fable]

There will be a marketplace that allows players to trade a resource or fuel for eth and vice versa, so u can indeed sell the resources you dont need

[hardy brook]

Great, thanks

[slow cedar]

Just to clarify, does this mean all silicone sites are the same on all T3 land for example, or that all T3 lands with silicone would be identical in layout and potential?

[buoyant wasp]

Are structures in the IZ built with eth? Since I suppose you start with no resources and is unable to build buildings to mine resources since no resources.. or we will start with some minimal resource/ building so we won’t have to buy with eth ?

[inland smelt]

No, all tier will be randomly distributed to different regions. Each regions will have their common resources

[inland smelt]

They will be built with resources, some will also have to use Fuel. You can use ETH to speed up the process.

[slate goblet]

I think it depends on how fuel is spent on the game. On travel case, I guess that all travels to a tier are the same, so we could have NFTs with the exact amount of fuel for such travel, then they can be minted and burned.

But how would it be implemented for fuel in much more quantity, when a travel is done? Burn a big NFT and mint many in a lower quantity?

@amber atlas said it precisely, immutable NFTs are better for security. But keeping the NFT and changing its attribute value is easier to manipulate.

Anyway, it'd be just a workaround until IMX supports LP.

[slate goblet]

of course, all resources are normal tokens and should be tradable with any1

[hardy brook]

Can we use sILV to speed up building times too?

[inland smelt]

Hmm.. That's a good question. I don't know that neither. In the GDD just wrote we can use ETH but not mentioned sILV.

[leaden atlas]

Good question.

[leaden atlas]

If its like the Simpsons Tapped out game (what Aaron mentioned in a recent interview), then we would start with some funds. However, I am not sure how would that work if we buy multiple lands. Would that means we get multiple starter packs?

[leaden atlas]

What is Illuvatar?

[fast vale]

The land leaks are great

[coarse ledge]

Hi guys, I revisited the IZ spoiler pdf file and have some clarification regarding resources.

It says on the pdf that resources are used to build buildings. Once the building is built, what are its other uses? Will it be used on the building's day-to-day operations? I'm checking its long-term usage since, in T1 lands, only resources will be available (and no fuel, which will be used in the Illuvium main game).

[hardy brook]

Ah OK got ya. It would be great if the mini game utilises sILV in some way. Thanks

[inland smelt]

It's an auction for ingame avatars. But currently there's no additional details about it yet

[inland smelt]

Resource will be converted to Fuel by a Fuel Converter which stated in the GDD

[slate goblet]

was it said what are these resources?

[inland smelt]

Yes

[slate goblet]

so it's not other types of resources, but just converting higher quantity of a fuel type into a smaller quantity of another fuel type

[coarse ledge]

Based on what I understood, the converter can convert one resource to another (same with fuel). But not resource to fuel. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[inland smelt]

oh yes, I misunderstood your questions. What kind of resources will we need is not mentioned yet

[coarse ledge]

Yes, that's what I understood also.

[slate goblet]

but are there resources that aren't the 3 listed fuels? and doesn't have a fuel for travel?

[coarse ledge]

But it says here you need other types of fuel to convert it to another type of fuel (in smaller quantity). It doesn't state that it will be needing resources. By resource, I'm referring to carbon, silicon, and hydrogen.

[inland smelt]

I read the GDD again. They said that a resource can be converted to Fuel by a Fuel Converter.
And they also have Resource Converter.
So I think that both Fuel Converter and Resource Converter use resource to convert. But Fuel Converter also need some fuel to work. @slate goblet

[slate goblet]

tnx

so we have 3 fuels and 3 resources? which one will be used to travel?

[small star]

I need one of each 😄 I’m stealing this, nice summary

[inland smelt]

maybe a special 4th type only be gain in main game 🙂

[inland smelt]

🐳 detected

[slate goblet]

let's hope that in early october they publish a new GDD with updated and more detailed info 🙂

[brisk gull]

I don't think they would do it. As Aaron said, since he leaked it for the first time, it has not stopped growing. He will answer question about the game so we are up to date, but he won't share a new version of the GDD.

[inland smelt]

I think there wont be any new GDD 😆 If I correct, I've read somewhere that Aaron said there will not any new update in GDD because they'll base on the GDD to built the game. All they will do is leaking some information about gameplay.

[inland smelt]

That's right. Next time, let's list a bunch of question and tag him in LOL

Current questions:
1/ Will sILV be used to speed up the building ?
2/ Can Fuel used to travel in main game be generated in Illuvium:Zero ?

[slate goblet]

I mean GDD as a document with all info organized, because answers here are lost over time

and there are many info still not published, I had alrdy asked Aaron and he answered he can't tell yet

[small star]

Aaron said the current GDD is 60 pages (if I remember well) and have too much information related to illuvium main game, but it doesn’t mean we won’t see a document summary answering all our questions

[slate goblet]

I didn't mean a GDD, I just mean a document, PDF, joining all information in a organized way

[coarse ledge]

Thanks for that. I may have missed that.

Maybe we can also ask devs if they can share more details as to how resources (hydrogen, carbon, silicon) can be utilized in-game to generate profit out of it? Because from the screenshot you shared, it will only be productive to convert a large quantity of fuel to another type of fuel (with resources needed) if there is a hierarchy among these types of fuels. If in case each fuel type is priced the same, then I think it won't be cost-efficient to use converters at all.

[slate goblet]

it's made clear that converting resources isn't worth it, I think they decided to make it just to not force ppl to swap them; each resource will have its use on the game they just didn't tell what it is

[potent dock]

I think the idea of converters is that you can avoid interacting with the market if you want to.

At a cost of losing efficiency.

I think Johnny mentioned that converters will also generate some small amount of resources on their own.

[slate goblet]

yeah and that makes no sense, because if converting resources makes us lose more money than swapping, it's not worth at all

[small star]

When you’ve a list of question, tag johnnyA he may answer them

[swift condor]

i think they are running accelerated simulations to see if the "math" that runs in the background, works due to it being a NFT. as once the code is set it will make it impossible to correct. so the technical details wont be shared for some time still. its driving me nuts but i wont plan a strategy yet before i know how the rules of the game work from the team, but im all in on getting land on auction

[coarse ledge]

Do you think the safest bet for land in terms of maximizing profit would be tier 2 because it has fuel sources? Based on the GDD, fuel will be used on the main game, meaning it will be a scarce commodity long term.

This is assuming we don't know anything yet as to how resources will be utilized in IZ.

[brisk gull]

We can't be sure of that if we don't have all the variable. I'm pretty sure they won't design a building to make it useless. If it proves to like that when the game launch, they will tweak some variables to make the structures worth building.

[slate goblet]

some time still... the auction is in 4 weeks :p

[coarse ledge]

Yes this is what I thought also. Perhaps we can only know it once we have the economy live. The value of these converters lies if it will be cheaper to convert than to buy the finished fuel type.

[slate goblet]

that deppends on how much the rich ppl will pay for each tier, and we need to know how much income each tier will provide

[small star]

100k for a t2 😅

[slate goblet]

that's what I said, it's said on GDD they are inneficient, so it's like they don't want these buildings being used

[swift condor]

4 week on this discord is like 4 months for me, well up until i get the official Data sheet of how IZ works and the main game, then i wont have enough time in the day to plan strategies 😅

[slate goblet]

yep we need them to publish all the data and time to analyzed it before the game is auctioned :/

[coarse ledge]

Perhaps what they meant by "inefficient" on their GDD would be the conversion ratio. I mean the converters can have a conversion ratio of 50%, making it somehow inefficient in terms of converting. But that doesn't mean that it's not a viable option in terms of profit.

[mellow brook]

Will there will be fractional ownership for tier 5 lands (the 7 plots) ?

[shrewd dome]

Not unless a person started a DAO and had a smart contract

[feral hedge]

The converters could be put in so that the market doesn't end up valuing resource/fuel A too much more/less than resource/fuel B. An upper bound so the balancer dex doesn't go looney perhaps.

[slate goblet]

anyway, I'm not using converters unless they generate profit 🙂

I'd expect a converter takes a slot that could be used by a production building, so using a converter also decreases overall production of the land

[thorny crater]

Hey @slate goblet i think you had asked about this, i was trying to find it in chat but can’t…

Did you ask something about selling fuel and either getting sILV or ETH and the gas about it?

Like
If i sell for ETH there’s could be a higher gas charge
Vs
Sell sILV and it would be on the no gas fee market

[fallow igloo]

I’m 90% sure you can only get sILV through staking so all txns inside the game would be for ETH

[thorny crater]

Yeah from the FAQ we are only able to get sILV from staking at the moment. BUT @ivory vine said there is a way to buy it for cheap, i am just to ignorant on crypto in general to go that route.

But i was thinking if i sell fuel, if it has no gas fee for sILV I’d do that’s rather than ETH.

But how easy would it be to make that sILV back into ETH. I will try to see if i can find this info later today after work.

[ivory vine]

You can swap sILV on sushiswap or uniswap for example. Doesn't really work much differently than swapping for ILV on sushi. Just need to add the sILV token via contract address 🙂

!contract

[dry forge]

ILV Token: 0x767fe9edc9e0df98e07454847909b5e959d7ca0e
ETH/ILV SLP Token: 0x6a091a3406e0073c3cd6340122143009adac0eda
sILV Token: 0x398aea1c9ceb7de800284bb399a15e0efe5a9ec2

[thorny crater]

You da bomb dot com!!!

[slate goblet]

I don't remember asking about it, at least I didn't understand what u said :p

[slate goblet]

u're kinda confusing different stuff and not understand any :p

[thorny crater]

Ok help me understand then lol

I see from the documentation fuel can replace ETH and sILV.

What does that mean “This Fuel would replace ETH and sILV in the main game without any issue”

Or are you a person who just belittles others and puts a “lol” at the end to make it not sound bad.

I am new to crypto in general. Any help would be great. Like how the ERC-20 would work with the above if i sell you fuel.

[swift condor]

did you check the latest stream Kieran and Aaron did, i think they explain how it works #📣〕social-media message

[hidden tangle]

any estimation on illuvium zero release?

end of october? start november? thank yu

[inland smelt]

10 week from 21 August so It must be somewhere in November

[thorny crater]

Thank you! I am really trying to understand this crypto stuff so any info I can read up on is helpful.

FYI @slate goblet i have no animosity towards you. I think you’re super smart with this stuff, just maybe i am not a person who can learn from you. And that’s ok too.

[slate goblet]

sorry I was busy and couldn't keep long on discord, I tried to msg u but got a msg that it couldn't be delivered

[pine prawn]

So as someone with little experience for these land type things what is it and what does it do exactly ? It has affects in the actual game

Is there a link you can point me to

[feral hedge]

The two PDFs in pinned messages have a lot of info.

[pine prawn]

Ty

[thorny crater]

No worries. Thank you! Yeah i had to turn off messages because its constant scammers sending me stuff, so i just got tired of it

[little moon]

This is a super sick idea. I would love if the converters had some kind of 'arbitrage' mode where they bought cheap resources and automatically converted them to more expensive resources to balance the market

It would help create a deflationary effect for the resources because of the inefficiency of the converter but also helps stabilize the market if mining of resources isnt corresponding to their use.

[slate goblet]

This is kinda cloudy yet. We don't know how much devs aim resources to cost. Last info is that the DAO will produce fluctuating amounts of fuels to keep their prices stable, but we don't know how that's gonna be implemented. If it's done that way, then it's alrdy gonna be done and converters would be useless for that.

And it's troubling for converters to buy resources automatically, that'd require a sc on the blockchain, and every transaction may cost a huge fee when gas is high.

[dire pier]

auction isn't before trailer

[swift condor]

i thought its gonna interact on IMX

[slate goblet]

IMX won't support Balancer Pools until end 2022

[little moon]

I dont know why you keep saying the converters are useless. They will obviously have some purpose or else they wouldn't be bothering to include it in the game. I didnt say they would buy resources automatically. I said they would have a 'mode' where they could be set to perform this arbitrage interaction if the prices drifted a certain amount apart.

[slate goblet]

sorry I misunderstood then 🙂 I don't say they are useless, I say I don't see usage to them as it's described now, which says they'll be inefficient

there's a lot of info they haven't announced yet, we're speculating here while we wait

[swift condor]

i think its there mainly for t1, as the most amount of plots will be them, and would lack a lot of base materials to build up the land

[slate goblet]

I understood that too, but if they are inefficient, it'd be better to just sell the resources produced naturally then buy fuel than to use converters to convert them

we lack better understatement of how they are gonna be useful/worthy

[swift condor]

agreed but they got a play it your own way mindset in the main game and i believe they doing the same in IZ so it would really be down to individual play style

[slate goblet]

yep 🙂

[pine salmon]

guys, anyone knows if 100% of the lands will be sold in one sale?

Or first only 20% of the lands will be put to sale. Then some time later some more lands will be on sale, etc

I think I saw someone say that it will be only 20% of the lands on sale at first

[potent dock]

Only 20k land in the first sale out of the total 100k - More in the future ofc!

[pine salmon]

but all 100k lands will be sold before the release of the game?

[potent dock]

I'm not sure what the plan is for land sales after the first one!

[pine salmon]

do you know if all the tier 5 lands will be sold in this first one?

[potent dock]

I think just 1 of the T5 lands, but I could be wrong.

[pine salmon]

ok, thanks!

[acoustic pike]

I ask me what tier i get with my 20k$ in sILV

[swift condor]

no one knows but it will be a juicy plot at that purchasing price now. lucky fish😇

[potent dock]

I predict you get T4 (and maybe a few lower tiers as well)

[ivory bough]

Your $20k sILV now might even be worth more by Land Sale

[acoustic pike]

I hope so

[acoustic pike]

Oktober is landsale or not ? Then i reach 20 k

[ivory bough]

Ah I thought you have $20k sILV now at this moment (rn it would be roughly 40 sILV)

[lucid shard]

With new iPads/iPhones announced today, really getting pumped to play Illuvium zero on ios or tablet if available

[slate goblet]

we know there will be 100K lands and auction will be mid november where 20K lands will be sold, we know there will be 7 T5 lands, but we don't know how many lands are on other 4 tiers and how many T5 lands will be sold now

[humble ether]

i believe it will be available on both ios and android

[slate goblet]

btw, anybody suggest me a android emulator for PC that's good to run games?

[swift condor]

best is blue stacks 5 but im not sure if it will run IZ but its the best one ive tried with the least amount of config, basically the next step up is running VM and other OS based options, gets complicated super quick after blue stacks

[gaunt slate]

Do we know if IZ will be available in the marketplace, or is that going to be a standalone apk installer?

How will it link to wallets? In game, or through some kind of middleman page similar to how Axie does it?

[slate goblet]

all we know is the game is developed on Unity

[swift condor]

it will be on the market place (play store yes, not sure apples stance) as that's the whole point of the title AAA, even if IZ is a mini game . and im sure they already have a solution for connecting wallets, you can add meta mask on your phone for instance, pritty sure they designed a connection feature for 3rd party apps

[hallow sage]

T4 probably around 100k usd

[slate goblet]

I heard there's metamask for phone, but I doubt it supports Trezor

proper way to do it is having a web app to bind the address to the game account then anywhere we login we can play with NFTs on our address 🙂

[swift condor]

im pretty sure the team are gonna give us a couple of options, im almost certain they are time travellers, come to save the human race.... the Von mystery is one of my top 5 Favorited parts of this project

[misty orbit]

That would be a pretty cool plot

[muted moth]

Sorry is this has been covered already; do we have estimates for around how much each tier land will cost?

[slate goblet]

not yet, we need to know how much fuel they will produce and how much fuel will cost

[potent dock]

As the land sale will be by dutch auction, no one can predict the price before the sale happens. It won't be fixed prices.

[muted moth]

Gotcha. Thanks

[amber atlas]

[Below isn't locked in stone, but should be generally accurate]

All sites of the same type are identical, variation of the land comes from:

**1. Number of sites **- Plots of the same Tier fall in to fairly narrow bands in regards to number of Fuel sites and Material sites

Takeaway: more sites is (obivously) better, but at a very high level plots of the same tier produce the same

**2. Composition **- The composition can vary, your site might have 3 Material sites, which could be one of each, or three Hydrogen Sites. The same can be said of Fuel sites, you might have 1 Crypton Site and 1 Silion site, or you might have 2 Silicon sites.

Takeaway: plots with varied Materials are probably a little better than those with the same Materials because you can build a bit quicker... but this doesn't materially (pun intended) impact your end state production

Takeway: having different types of Fuel sites gives you flexibility in regards to responding to market conditions, but having all Fuel sites of the same type means you can focus on one type of production. It effects optimum playstyle but, again, has minimal impact on overall productivity.

**3. Layout **- layout varies between plots. You could have your sites spread out or all together, or in any combination possible on the grid. This is random with a few guiding rules.

The micromanagement aspect of the game is about laying out your structures to provide maximimum efficiency. For example some structures perform better when far from other structures (e.g. Singularity Scanner which scans for Illuvials), others do better when close to each other

Takeaway: for different playstyles the optimal Site layout will be different, but it is reasonable to say some layouts are better than others. This advantage will be small and probably only realised by the most avid player who understand all the nuances of the micromanagement game

[amber atlas]

No, structures are built with in-game resources (Materials and sometimes Fuel for more advanced structures). The home base structure called the Nexus has an action called **Airdrop **which will give you a small amount of each Material (it will take in the order of 24 hours to arrive)... you can never be stuck, but you might have to wait

[swift condor]

Thanks for the info😇

[slate goblet]

cool tnx 😄

seems to require some nice strategy to build structures, I wonder how many slots each tier has

[amber atlas]

at this stage they are all the same size... a future feature which Kieran has mentioned is 'mega cities' buying multiple adjacent plots and connecting them in to one giant plot

[mortal merlin]

Pretty cool of you. This will put many people at ease and calm the fomo some already feel hahaha

[slate goblet]

so what makes each tier different?

[amber atlas]

the number and composition of Sites

[mortal merlin]

So what square should we try buying? 2x2? 3x3?

We need alpha

Hahahhaah

[amber atlas]

a Tier 4 with 5 Silicon Sites is going to produce a LOT more than a T2 with 1 Silicon Site... about 5 times as much one might imagine

[slate goblet]

ah so they have the same size but has more sites 😄 and we must plan the layout plan

[mortal merlin]

But then you lose building space by having more sites on your land no?

[amber atlas]

yes, but there is a lot of space, not finalised but we are talking in the order of building 100+ structures

[slate goblet]

😮

[mortal merlin]

Ok so we should not run out

[amber atlas]

well you will, because you can build multiple copies of a structure

[mortal merlin]

So the choices are really more oriented on optimal layout and research

Ok

[amber atlas]

so for example maybe you are in to arbitrage, so you build 30 Converters that take Silicon and make Cryptons (at a loss)

when the market conditions are right such that your loss is lower than the price difference you strike

[mortal merlin]

Can we build a lot of building concerning the scanning and blueprints?

[slate goblet]

and is it better than swapping silicon for crypton on market?

it must be fun to develop a base management cryptogame :p

[amber atlas]

its a free market, there is no better or worse, it changes over time in response to supply and demand

it is super cool, you have all these interactions between the game and the real (crypto) world

you can find your own strategies and markets

[slate goblet]

so will there be specific slots where we can build specific structures?

[amber atlas]

no, deciding where to build stuff is where the micromanagement game comes in to place

[slate goblet]

then why can't T1 lands produce fuel?

[amber atlas]

sorry to be clear a small subset of buildings need to be built on a Site

something that extracts Solons (the Solon Dredge) needs to be built on a Solon Well

and technically T1 land can produce Fuel, using **Converters **which will passively collect a small amount of Fuel... it is a much lower rate than an Extractor but it is some

[slate goblet]

I think I understand why Aaron said we'd need to choose to play main game or IZ. They both consume resources 😄

[mortal merlin]

No he said that cause you have to use your hands on one or the other

[amber atlas]

lol

[mortal merlin]

They dont use the same ressources except fuel

[amber atlas]

the mini game is still more of a passive experience... you set things up, you trigger actions, then you come back later to collect them

the micromanagement stuff adds some depth, so on ocassion it is totally possible to spend a long play session tweaking stuff

[slate goblet]

hmm so extracting structures need to be built on sites of the same type of resource, and other structures can be built on any site

[mortal merlin]

Imagine losing 1 minute during the initial main game launch tho. Impossible

Hahahha

[amber atlas]

concept is right but the terminology is wrong

Site is the name given to specific Material or Fuel deposits

a Lake for example is a Site that allows you to produce Hydrogen

you can build things anywhere on the map (which is a fine grained grid) -> but we don't call every grid position a "Site"

some structures have constraints, like must be built next to something else, or must be built on a Site, but most structures can be built anywhere there is room

[slate goblet]

this seems very well designed 😄

[amber atlas]

hope so 🙂

in any case, I better go do some work, enough leaking for today 😉 (feel free to @ me in questions, which I will try to get to at some stage)

[slate goblet]

so prices of fuels won't be stable? will they fluctuate on the liquidity pool?

sure tnx for the info 😄

[thorny crater]

That’s some good info.

The mini game land locations, I believe were said to be given in a random region..if so

1. is there a way to transport that area to a region of choice/ trade.
2. the scanner aspects. Is that based on zone as well for which illuvials can be scanned?

If i am able to get a land i want it to be in the nature part is why I’m curious lol.

[thorny crater]

Reading through resources again…I wish there were pictures of what an abundant resource had vs a regular same type resource has 😅….Where can i sign the NDA for the beta tester haha

[little moon]

where do you buy the land at and what currency do you use

[livid tundra]

land sale in 7-10 weeks. will be somewhere onlien and you use ETH or sILV

[little moon]

thats what i thought is there any benefit to buying silv

[thorny crater]

https://gov.illuvium.io/#/ilvgov.eth/proposal/QmNab3vqQX3q2yTNSo1rwK5PzPgE8QxRnEA13jKz8gWQu9

Payment

Both ETH and sILV will be used as payment methods for land. While sILV will not attract external revenue, it will incentivize current token holders to claim their yield tokens as sILV. This phenomenon will massively reduce the total supply of ILV long term.

Note: It is unclear yet if hybrid purchases can be made (sILV + ETH in one transaction)

[ocean hollow]

What land tier do you think 20 sILV can buy?

[fallow igloo]

To be conservative, I’d guess at least a T1

[quartz widget]

Is there any guides on lands?

[inland smelt]

Check the GDD in pin messages

other details leak will be somewhere in this channel 😛

Hi @amber atlas, tysm for your leaking. I have some more questions:
1/ Will sILV be used to speed up the buildings ?
2/ Is there a 4th type of Fuel that used for traveling in main game ? If yes, then will that fuel can be generated in main game or just in IZ ?

[near whale]

My guess: T3 - speculation

[buoyant wasp]

Thanks for the info! Are we able to pool resources from multiple plots to a single plot? Like how Starcraft / Warcraft where you establish multiple mining bases but have your main research base only on 1 main base

[slow cedar]

Amazing reply, thank you! Great to have you here giving us a look behind the curtain.

On this bit below:
Takeaway: more sites is (obivously) better, but at a very high level plots of the same tier produce the same

Does that effectively mean the team have an algorithm to balabce lands in a tier, and all land in the same tier should have roughly that same internally calculated value?

[small star]

A question I have also for @amber atlas is : does
1/ building speed up
2/ fuels sales
3/ blueprints sales
4/ blueprint use
5/ anything else ?
... impacts the Vault/RevDis ?

[vivid cipher]

My understanding is that 1-3 create revenue for the vault and provide ETH for revdis. 4 I think wouldn’t. Since the vault would already have gotten it’s cut on the fuel sale for the fuel used by the player using blueprint to create something in the zero point forge.

[vivid cipher]

I had not heard that the region would be random. I’d heard it would be clearly identified before the sale.

Re: scanners
In the maingame illuvials with specific affinities will be more common in certain regions. I’d imagine the same would be true for scanning in IZ. (The GDD mentions which affinities are more prevalent in which regions)

[amber atlas]

sorry busy right now but region is not random

revdis questions are better targetted at @bitter glade

[fallow igloo]

I think he is saying that a T4 fuel site itself does not produce more than a T2 fuel site but you will have more sites on a T4 effectively making the land itself “produce” more fuel

[dusty scaffold]

if so that technically means enough T2 land = T4 land o.O

[fallow igloo]

Technically yes and also the reverse, 1 T4 = x T2 lol

[dusty scaffold]

yup that kinda meant we can have scholars *smirk. since effectively T4 should only be the price of n x T2 with some premium

[ember compass]

I’m not sure that 1 T4 = x of T2 is quite correct…. When you look at the GDD it seems to mention different production rates (low, med, hi) for the resources on the different tiers of land…(as well as diff quantity of sites) It is especially obvious when you look at the diff between T3 and T4 land.

[fallow igloo]

I think you are correct. I misread JohnnyAs comment on that. He was specifically referring to sites of the same Tier lvl as producing the same. Thank you for correcting that.

[potent dock]

Yeah, I think he's saying that at T4 you produce the same as another T4, same with T5. Lower tier lands will have more variance in terms of total production because they won't have as many sites.

[inland smelt]

Just wondering about the term <Source> and <Site>. Is there any difference between them ?

[potent dock]

Site is the name given to a material or fuel deposit, as per Johnny.

I believe a Source in the GDD is the same as a Site by Johnny's definition. Probably just got renamed as they are developing.

[buoyant wasp]

If this is the case , this might have to be addressed as there will no benefit to buy a T4 land…will drive down prices of T4 and drive down revdis 🙂

[potent dock]

I think he was pretty clear - a Site has a given output associated with it. So a single Silicon site on a T4 produces the same as a single Silicon site on a T2. However, a T4 might have like, 5 Silicon sites available to build on, and a T2 might only have 1. https://discordapp.com/channels/760344898200666112/857471213513605140/887473415890542643

[amber atlas]

yes that is correct

the GDD had a more complex system but we didn't think it added any real value

[ivory bough]

In that case T4 still produces more through more sites

[potent dock]

You mentioned proximity to other structures could have an impact on certain building's production (example being the Scanner). Will this be a general effect (i.e. if I luck into having 2-3 Sites for a given resource in close proximity would they produce more) or is it specific to certain building types only?

[amber atlas]

each structure has specific rules about proximity effects of other structures (both positive and negative), and its possible for a certain structure to have no rules

[buoyant wasp]

Ya but then why will someone spend 50 eth to buy T4 when they can spend 1 eth to buy 50 T2 which will put scale the production… so this will either drive down T4 prices or drive up T2 prices 🙂

[amber atlas]

the rules are not finalised, but as a guideline the effect on maximum production should be low (that is to say if you built the best layout on two different plots with different layouts the production might be different, but only slightly)

[inner briar]

Well, we don’t really know the prices, do we? At least, Not as fas as I know.

[buoyant wasp]

@amber atlas are resources between plots transferable?

[potent dock]

I appreciate you tolerating all our questions 😄 Thanks for being awesome

[inner briar]

So, my guess is if a t4 is worth 5 t2, then the price might be 3-4 times as much.

[ivory bough]

Could be, but managing 50 T2s could be a hassle unless you wanna sell some of it if the price appreciates. Depends on what you wanna do what your plans are imo

[inner briar]

That way, it will be worth it buying a higher tier. I don’t think the price would be 50/1

[potent dock]

I think if this type of system is still in play, it could solve the "I has too many lands to play" issue for whales. Imagine having too much land to play xD

[amber atlas]

there is a relationship between T2 and T4 output which is site * site production rate ... setting site production rate to 1 for both Tiers doesn't make the relationship disappear

[ivory bough]

yeah exactly. It's an interesting ride tbh.

[amber atlas]

there is also a time factor... if you had 5 T2 sites, you would need to construct the whole tech tree and optimise layout on each... does that mean it is more efficient to hire a team and buy multiple T2 lands vs one T4 land .... maybe... we WANT this kind of interaction with real world economics

[inner briar]

Well that is awesome

[ivory bough]

This was Exactly what I meant 🙂

[buoyant wasp]

This will mean that resources are non transferable between sites ? Otherwise I could see some farmers just buy 1000 T1 , put it on blue stack to bot raw materials and funnel all to their T4

[amber atlas]

Materials can't be transferred but obviously Fuel can ( I should add you can move them through the market, but its not 1:1 there will be some cost to using the market)

[potent dock]

Game design information like this makes my hype level...

https://tenor.com/view/liftoff-moon-rocket-blastoff-launch-gif-22437697

[livid kestrel]

guys I find the topic is really interesting but couldn't really catch up cuz english is not my native language. Can someone summarize and pin to a message pls 😅

[inner briar]

What is your native language?

[ivory bough]

The topic is this: Is it better to buy many lower tiers or one higher tier

[amber atlas]

an active player will always have an advantage over a passive one, the optimal setup may change over time, particularly if you have more than one Fuel type

[livid kestrel]

vietnamese

[amber atlas]

and also because off scenarios like arbitrage

[potent dock]

I know this is kind of alluded to in the GDD, but is it true that T3+ are the only tiers with Fuel Site variety as a possiblity (i.e. T1 or T2 will never have more than 1 fuel site type present).

[amber atlas]

you can use Converters to generate a much smaller amount of Fuel on any Tier (not Tier 0 obviously... the Fuel there is pretend Fuel)

a Converter basically passively gets a small amount of a Fuel over time, but can be massively sped up by putting in another Fuel

but it means that given enough time, every structure (minus Site specific structures) can be built on every piece of land without having to buy Fuel

[inner briar]

nah, cant help you there, sorry XD

[amber atlas]

also just my regular periodic caveat that the game design is still evolving, I'm pretty comfortable that most of what I said will hold, but its by no means final... and there's always the option for someone to raise an IIP and get a change

[potent dock]

A logical extension of resources (aside from Fuel) being non-transferrable between plots is that higher Tier land, played optimally and actively, will develop faster than low tier land (because of more resource Sites and thus more resources), which will be relevant when the main title launches and buildings are reset. This is very good 😄

[ivory bough]

yeah I guess now that's the logic of having one T4 rather than many lower Tiers

[potent dock]

I realize that the concept of Megacities (i.e. some level of interaction between multiple pieces of land) is highly speculative and not guaranteed to even exist at all, and even if it does it will be later than the IL:Z release.

However, if you've given it any thought, what would be some ideas for the types of interactions you'd like to see between plots?

[amber atlas]

I think the idea is that once you established your 2x2 or 3x3 block it would just become (for you in the game client) one super massive plot

[odd pumice]

When is the dutch auction happening? Or are the prices for all tiers already set?

[amber atlas]

highly speculative though

[dusty scaffold]

imagine alliance/guild where the lower tier lands can link beside each other and contribute a small amt of their resource as "tax" for the leader ( of a high T maybe at least T4) then have a building to boost every one inside the alliance production rates. or even combine power to scan and distribute nicer blueprints

[amber atlas]

I know Kieran is very eager to enable Guild related features, but would definitely put it in the future/speculative box for IZ at the moment

[potent dock]

I spend about 15% of my time at work thinking about work, and 85% of the time thinking about stuff like this lol

[coarse ledge]

Hello good sir @amber atlas . For T1 lands without fuel, is the only way to monetize the resources (hydrogen, silicon, carbon) would be through converting it to fuel and selling it to the marketplace? Since fuel is the only thing that can be converted to ETH (as far as I can understand.)

Sorry if my question might be redundant since I asked this yesterday already, but I still haven't found a clear answer yet. Thanks!

[amber atlas]

@coarse ledge you can also **Scan **Illuvials to get **BioData **and then **Research **that **BioData **to create **Blueprints **which are NFTs that are required to craft certain items in the main game

[ivory bough]

sound like year 2100 to me lol. Living in a digital world. 😄

[amber atlas]

you could then sell the Blueprint NFT or craft the items and sell them (as they are also NFTs)

[potent dock]

"Back in my day, I used to speculate while I was on top of a ladder, before the M0z4rt bots took our jerbs!"

[coarse ledge]

I'm assuming that the most abundant material to mine in T1 lands would be the resources. Aside from using it to build buildings and converting to fuel, what are its other uses? It says on GDD that resources are major components of IZ and will be used on many actions. Would you mind sharing some specific actions where resources will be utilized (both on IZ and the main game)?

[amber atlas]

just a terminology clarification we have Resources which in IZ are split in to Fuels and Elements, Elements have no use in the main game, but are used widely for IZ (sometimes you might hear me say Materials instead of Elements as that was the old name)

everything you do in IZ costs Resources, and mostly this is an Element cost

(some things cost Fuel also, like converting one Fuel to another, or building high-end structures)

so if you want to start **Scanning ** for Illuvials you go to your **Singularity Scanner ** structure, click the Scan button and you will be asked to confirm a **Resource **cost (specifically an **Element **cost)

if you want to Upgrade your Engineering Workshop to allow to build more advanced structures you will again be asked to pay a Resource cost (again an **Element **cost, and at Stage III maybe a **Fuel **cost too)

(sorry if the bold is annoying, I'm just trying to highlight the terms we use in the internal GDD so we can establish a shared vocab)

[slow cedar]

For everyone else who's got a low IQ (which may or may not be me), can you give some examples of fuels, and some of elements by the names they have in IZ?

[potent dock]

I love it.

[amber atlas]

Elements: Silicon Carbon Hydrogen

Fuels: Cryptons Hyperinos Solons

[slow cedar]

Perfect, thank you! Really useful to see that all written down so we can start to wrap our heads around some of the terms

[ivory bough]

I admit. I have a low IQ when it comes to all these ingenuity 🙂

[slow cedar]

Hah, me too. I'm glad there are clever people working behind the scenes to make it all though

[coarse ledge]

Thanks for the detailed response. I'm getting a clear picture now of how these will unfold eventually.

So for T1 lands, if the owner chooses not to convert these elements to fuels, they can choose to monetize their elements by selling them to other IZ players who might be needing them through the marketplace (in exchange for ETH). Is that right?

[amber atlas]

how the market works for Elements is not decided... specifically for the reasons we were talking about a little earlier

we don't want T4 to be basically identical to 4xT2 (4x or 5x or 10x ... whatever it may be), and the speed argument @potent dock was putting forward is a good way to help this

you can always generate value through your converters

[slow cedar]

And to confirm, it's still the case that T1 wont actually have fuel sites, so if you want decent fuel production you need T2 or higher?

[coarse ledge]

I just based my previous question on the GDD. It says here that the "resources" or elements can be traded to ETH via marketplace

[amber atlas]

sure, the GDD is the state of play at the time of IIP, since then we have hired a team who are working full time on IZ, and things are changing

I'm sure we will release some kind of document before the land sale to clarify the state of the game design

[coarse ledge]

I believe that's the case. And knowing that fuel will be used on the main game, it will surely be a scarce commodity.

That's why I'm assessing how T1 lands can be profitable, given they don't naturally have fuel sites.

[coarse ledge]

Hopefully! I'm looking forward to this detailed document before the land sale. Thanks for your help! 🙂

[potent dock]

Will Airdrops have an element of player agency? I.E. Can a player request an Airdrop of Silicon if their plot is deficient in that Element, or will Airdrops be a general purpose package of Resources?

Not trolling with the bold, I seriously love establishing terminology.

[amber atlas]

you can:```

1. Generate Fuel without Fuel Sites using Converters, its far less Fuel but it is still Fuel
2. You can take the research path and sell Blueprints
3. You can create Converters and set up an arbitrage like business where you find price discrepancies and when they are higher than your optimised conversion costs you can convert one Fuel to another then resell```

I can't talk about how profitable it will be or its profit relative to other Tiers, that's highly speculative, but there are certainly mechanisms to generate profit

[coarse ledge]

Got it. Thank you!

[amber atlas]

Currently they contain a small amount of each Element, there's no reason it couldn't be different, but it is supposed to be a last resort kind of thing

[slow cedar]

If it's free to use every 24 hours, I'm sure we'll all be using it a fair bit!

[amber atlas]

remember advanced structure costs will scale, so it will almost certainly be better to create a lot of the resource you do have and convert to the ones you don't have (once you reach a certain level of progression)

which is not to say if you are min/max type person that you won't request your Airdrop every 24 hours 😉

[coarse ledge]

Really excited about the land sale.

[amber atlas]

anyway must run, meetings to go to!

[slow cedar]

I wonder if we could make a request that they don't do 24 hour airdrops, and instead make it more like 23 hours and 45 minutes? Just so that if you log on the same time each day, you can make the airdrop call at the same time

[uneven elbow]

Where can I find this information brother?

[potent dock]

The game design document is pinned, it's posted by Aaron but hidden by a spoiler.

[buoyant wasp]

For those who min/max will be a nightmare as you have to move your time earlier and earlier daily

[slow cedar]

I agree. As a min maxer I've been there with other games. anywhere from 15 mins - 1 hour of leeway is just enough to keep you on track

[buoyant wasp]

I wonder what is the dev stand on botting for the idle clicker, not saying that I would but if I have 100 land( zero chance) I more than certainly won’t be playing it manually unless there is a way I can collect from all my listed plots at once

[uneven elbow]

I was wondering what GDD meant 👀 thanks mate

[dusty scaffold]

yeah perhaps there can be a building that auto collects for everything. something i like to call a quality of life building.

[inland smelt]

maybe a randomly appear captcha ?

[dusty scaffold]

maybe to make it exclusive/earning, u can only build it with eth. so we will at least get rev for it

[potent dock]

A 15 minute leeway per day would mean that as a minmaxer, you miss 1 airdrop every 96 days, or 3.8 airdrops per year, if you're claiming at the same time every day.

I think there's a lot of benefit in this, the "getting pushed forward" factor with stuff on a 24h cycle can be rough, as you eventually miss a full cycle.

[slow cedar]

If anyone manages to claim bang on the same time every day for a whole year, they deserve a medal

[dusty scaffold]

hmm i was assuming the 24h would be on a daily basis. like it refreshes at x time per day

[inland smelt]

I'm playing hide and seek. Everytime I'm not here, Johnny appear and start supporting everyone 😆

Hi @amber atlas Can you answer my 2 questions:
1/ Will sILV be used to speed up the buildings ?
2/ Is there a 4th type of Fuel that used for traveling in main game ? If yes, then will that fuel can be generated in main game or just in IZ ?
Thank you.

[buoyant wasp]

Ic but the fuel generated is said to be used in main game and is erc-20 token , so effectively if I have enough land , I can be self sufficient without buying fuel from the pool?

[amber atlas]

1. originally the answer was no, we wanted to use in app purchases to keep Apple happy, but now that their rules are changing probably yes, but that one needs confirmation from Aaron

[amber atlas]

2. No there are three types of Fuel

[amber atlas]

For sure, there's no way to say how much land, or what tier, as it depends on what you do in the main game

[worn scaffold]

Good afternoon everyone. Is there already a landsale date? And will ILV stakers have an advantage over none stakers?
I'm currently saving up sILV for that and it would be nice to have an approx date.

[ivory vine]

Thanks for the clarification here. I agree with Rah that this hopefully will get some people to calm down a bit. We don't need anyone to have a heart-attack before the land is even auctioned of 🙂

[dry forge]

🚫 Dozer, you can't use that.

[ivory vine]

If such a self-sufficiency would be attainable, it would be via selling fuel in IZ to the pool and using the ETH rewarded to then pay for fees in the main game (which again, buys fuel from the pool), isn't that right? Or is it planned somehow to have people transfer fuel out of IZ to their IMX wallets and have it considered for fees in the main game?

[small star]

Would be nice if the idea of having fuel as IMX nfts can be implemented as a start solution. I agree that any timeline idea, estimate, target, range, would be nice to have … at least to plan ahead.

[uneven elbow]

Just caught up with all the convo like I need to get a new notepad and pen after work.. @amber atlas thanks for the info and clarity you have provided brother much needed

[mild pewter]

can anyone share gdd of ilv 0 please

[ivory vine]

They are pinned in this channel 🙂

[mild pewter]

thx

[ivory vine]

You might wanna search for "JohnnyA | Illuvium" in here as well though as there has been a ton of information from the current state of development that partially differs from the initial GDDs.

[mild pewter]

quick quation ... 7 t1 or 3 T2 or 1 t4... which one will u choose

[uneven elbow]

Where can you search for people? I’d love to read up on everything when I have more time

[ivory vine]

I'm going to wait for more detailed information before the land sale first. Considering that I do plan to play the main game excessively though, I certainly am leaning towards a high tiered land plot (if affordable) rather than many low tier ones 🙂

[mild pewter]

👍

[ivory vine]

You can search at the top right where it says "search" 🙂

If you are on mobile, you need to swap all the way to the right first to where the member list is.

[latent bloom]

when lands sale?

[ivory vine]

Several weeks from here still. No final date yet 🙂

[latent bloom]

i will be able to buy it with eth or ilv?

[ivory vine]

sILV or ETH and you can find the info here: #📰〕governance-news message

[latent bloom]

thanks

[mild pewter]

is still there a whitelisting process

oops it was this one to be taged

[small star]

No whitelisting

[mild pewter]

is still there a whitelisting process

[mild pewter]

ok ...

[high solar]

sorry, does that mean only apple owners can play illuvium zero?

[nocturne lodge]

I don't believe that to be the case. Probably just adhering to strict apple policy which wouldn't affect an android release with more lenient policy

[high solar]

well that is reassuring but I would rather wait for an official response

[nocturne lodge]

Yeah, absolutely and someone more knowledgeable than I will likely respond. All previous mention I have seen simply stated mobile though and given restrictions on the apple ecosystem this is my assumption.

[small star]

Both it’s in the gdd

[uneven elbow]

Gotcha was on mobile thanks stormi

[wispy garden]

There's going to be only 1500 plots?

[swift condor]

20K first Auction, what remains of the original 100k left will be auction at yet to be disclosed dates

[wispy garden]

ok

[jovial sparrow]

👍

[slate goblet]

@amber atlas Do u know if prior to auction it will be announced detailed fuel values, in example how much fuel each tier land may produce and how much fuel each main game travel consumes?

I know the timeframe is short, but it'd be nice to have some open beta prior to auction, so that we could try the game and understand how it works before buying lands.

[little moon]

Hi, im wondering if the cost of buildings, research upgrades etc will cost more depending on what tier you have or will the prices be standard across the board?

[slate goblet]

I didn't understand that as well. I thought higher tier would have more slots to build, but it seems they all have the same quantity. I think higher tiers are able to build structures that lower tiers aren't.

[fallow igloo]

The higher tier lands have more resource sites but the buildings will all have standard pricing I believe

[thin wolf]

Which tier is going on sale first?

[small star]

All tiers but 20k plot across all tiers only for first sale

[near whale]

So do you anticipate folks hiring others to "work the land"?

[thin wolf]

Makes sense,do we know which Tier they will start with or is it all tiers all at the same time?

[small star]

No details announced yet, we are all waiting for more infos 😃

[slate goblet]

I'm sure all 20K lands will be put on auction together, but we don't know how many if each tier

[thin wolf]

Was kinda hoping Kieran would leak:=)

[slate goblet]

some had said that almost 90% of lands will be T1, which is confirmed to not produce fuels directly

[thin wolf]

i guess the Revdis contract needs to be impemented prior to the landsale aswell?

[slate goblet]

isn't it implemented yet? I thought it was deployed 😮

[thin wolf]

I have not seen any mention of the vault and Redis contract beeing depoyed. @ivory vine?

[thorny crater]

I’m thinking of trying to get two T-1s now lol

[slate goblet]

@ivory vine help us!

[ivory vine]

RevDis claims are not possible yet in the current UI but I know the team is working hard on it (as with everything) so there certainly is progress behind the scenes already. I don't have any details on that though. Revdis claims should ready for the land sale to my knowledge though.

[slate goblet]

revdis will take vault ETH and swap for ILV and distribute it to ILV holders right? isn't revdis claim together with YF?

[little moon]

Will Illuvium zero release before the actual game

[glad laurel]

YF and RevDis claims will be separate, as RevDis has no vesting period.

[shrewd dome]

Same time I believe

[queen folio]

Version 1 of Illuvium: Zero will release before the main Illuvium game, yes. But Version 1 is not on the blockchain (so there is no fuel production).

Then there will be a wipe before the Version 2 of Illuvium: Zero releases right around the same time as the main Illuvium game and Version 2 WILL have fuel production.

[little moon]

Any T1 price predictions?

So basically version 1 you can’t make money right?

[shrewd dome]

I've heard 1k to 2.5k but nobody knows

[little moon]

I hope the ROI is good

[slate goblet]

so fuels will be on blockchain but resoures will be off-chain?

[queen folio]

Not from fuel, no.
But if you manage to build structures in version 1.1 (around 4 weeks after release of version 1.0) and produce resources which then allow you to mint NFTs (like blueprints), those NFTs will not be deleted when the wipe occurs to begin version 2.

[little moon]

Do you get to raid other peoples bases or is it just a resource gathering game

[glad laurel]

No PVP in Zero

[little moon]

And blueprints are things you can use to craft weapons?

[queen folio]

Ah, I sometimes get the terminology mixed up. Fuel is still one of the resources... so the latter part of that statement wouldn't be true.

Fuel is integrated on the blockchain since it will have use in both IZ and Illuvium.

The other resources (Elements) such as Silicon, Carbon, Hydrogen.. they don't have a use in Illuvium as they're just used for building in IZ. I understood these to be off-chain but may need to get clarification on that.

[uneven elbow]

lets rule T1 together

[queen folio]

Skins and I've seen the team also mention "items" of some sort. Most talk of blueprints seems to be related to the singularity scanner which scans the Illuvials in the area where your land is located... so we can speculate what all could come from that 🙂

[sand coral]

Sniping a T1 for 500 usd im callin it

Need to speak it into existence

[slate goblet]

I understood that only IZ lands will be able to scan, but I think it won't be like that

I also understand that blueprints will be produced and burned when used to craft

[thorny crater]

Tier 1 to rule them all 🤓

https://tenor.com/view/the-lord-of-the-rings-legolas-orlando-bloom-smirk-yolo-gif-14877924

[long lantern]

How will people buy land when the game is released? Has this been discussed? Is it a fixed price for land at release or is all land sold before release?

[shrewd dome]

Only info now is that 20k piece of land will be sold via Dutch Auction.

[long lantern]

Got that, what about the remaining land. how is that sold or distributed at launch?

[small star]

🤷🏻‍♂️ mystery !

[shrewd dome]

I have heard it will be sold in 20k blocks. I haven't heard of a timeline for the remaining 4 blocks

[feral hedge]

✋ Has there been any talk about reprioritising a browser relase of IZ due to the app stores gatekeeping NFT-related apps?

[swift spear]

I kind of envisioned it (pure speculation) like those TV sales channels you used to get, where they are selling a necklace or a blender or some shit and the price keeps dropping until people call up and buy them, and you see the amount available decrease in real time

[slate goblet]

it's indeed auctioned, no land will remain unsold, if it flops the lands will cost 1 wei 😄

[long lantern]

yes I understand, the question is how will the remaining land be distributed. no specifics have been said from the team

[slate goblet]

the other 80K? 4 other auctions with no date yet

[inland smelt]

Here's an answer of JohnnyA

[vivid cipher]

Interesting... I hadn't heard of that plan... but I am not in here as often as you it seems. Burning the blueprints (or even just returning them to a pool of blueprint NFTs that can be developed) when used in the maingame would then allow for more ongoing benefits for more players with a limited number of blueprints. But its not really a revdis model more of a gift card model.

[amber atlas]

Blueprints are not burned

[vivid cipher]

yeah good to know... burning nfts that are produced in game is not needed

[fallow barn]

Not sure if this has been asked, but if a f2p player has been playing for a little while and then suddenly gets the opportunity to buy a new piece of land that comes on sale... can thier current progress be "transfered over" (value of current assets given in some form of credit or even just the buildings transfer) to the newly acquired piece of land or would they need to start from scratch?

[amber atlas]

scratch

[fallow barn]

Thanks mate.. I thought it probably would be... but I thought there may be a small possibility that it wasn't. Oh well. I guess I'll just have to be happy starting from scratch if I get the opportunity to buy some new land later on

[slow cedar]

The nice thing about that system is a piece of land you've built on is more valuable to you than it is to someone else - it should be a good incentive that I'd youve built a lot on land you tend not to sell, and those who are selling are directly reducing fuel production (as it'll take a new land owner time to ramp up production)

[sage inlet]

Yup! 🙂

[slate goblet]

How will blueprint work? Lands produce N amount of blueprints and their owner craft N amount of armor?

[sage inlet]

Nah, not quite. Research can discover information used to create blueprints, and then you can craft things using those blueprints and the required resources. I don't believe there's a limit on N amount of anything, it's just if you have the blueprint & requisite resources.

[vivid cipher]

Holding Blueprints means you are able to forge that equipment. Folks that want the item but don't hold the blueprint... that's the opportunity for blueprints to provide income to the holder

what that looks like... I'm not sure

[sage inlet]

Alright, time to stop chatting about the game & get back to making the game for me! Have a good one, all! 🛠️ 😄

[slate goblet]

ah so blueprint is used to be able to craft the item 😄 so the player can buy 1 blueprint then buy resources and craft itens to sell

[vivid cipher]

yeah or buy a blueprint and craft 100 items and sell them one at a time

or craft another item once the first one sells

[slate goblet]

I mean, buy blueprint once then keep buying resources and crafting

so each research on IZ produces 1 blueprint that's used to craft unlimited amount of weapon/armor

[vivid cipher]

that is the most basic way it will work

there was discussion about how there could be more advanced scenarios like owning a blueprint may allow you to sell limited access (like one time forge) to your blueprint

[slate goblet]

cool

[thorny crater]

ESO vibes but better developed 🤓

I loved the supply and demand market on there, plus they had a type of “blueprints” as well. Some in game price cost millions to get but once learned you couldn’t sell it but you could make it for others. You needed certain material based on region too.(it was just style though not stat stuff)

[proper void]

we have a date for land sale yet?

[mortal merlin]

In about 9 weeks.

[amber atlas]

Research can fail, so each research activity may produce nothing, it may mean you discover a fact, or it may lead to a blueprint

a **Fact **is a small snippet of information about the Illuvial you are researching, nothing major, just an interesting snippet of information and something for the completionist

it does have one important facet though, the more facts you collect for a given Illuvial the better you get at research in to that Illuvials Affinity

so basically the more you research Illuvials of a certain Affinity the better you get at researching that Affinity

we haven't finalised exact failure rates, but once you build up your expertise through Facts you should be discovering Blueprints regulalry

Facts are not NFTs they are tied to your internal account data in the same way Structures are ... at least for now

(we didn't think it made sense to be able to transfer your expertise on to someone else)

[slate goblet]

that seems cool 🙂

so when we build structures and develop facts, if we sell the land it's all lost?

[amber atlas]

for now, there is definitely talk of, in the future, being able to sell the land with its structures ... a pretty cool way to add value and a different way to make a profit ... but we need to draw a line somewhere

[slate goblet]

yep split scope

[amber atlas]

exactly, if people love the game and are actively playing then we can take it as far as we want, but right now we want to focus on hitting targets

[potent dock]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-russell-kurt-wyatt-earp-thats-a-fact-facts-gif-22528791

^Me every time I discover a fact, but with a vape instead.

[distant lotus]

Thanks so much for being hear and sharing with everyone. I love seeing the game come together and being a part of the community. Also it gives me a lot of confidence in the project - and means I keep putting more $ in!

[queen folio]

Agreed-- thank you for all of the IZ info @amber atlas
Just gets me more and more hyped to get my plot(s) 😏 and start building my butt off

[thorny crater]

My phone battery it going to hate me haha. Phone will never be off

[tribal schooner]

Will it be better to stake 1eth worth of ILL or wait and use that to try and purchase a land?

[potent dock]

Impossible for anyone to answer that for you, it's totally up to what you wanna do!

[shrewd dome]

Totally depends how you wanna make money. If you want active income from working the land then buy land. If you want passive income from RevDis then the token is a better choice.

[neon sable]

Is one eth enough to buy land?

[potent dock]

Dutch auction format means we don't really know that until the land sale, but 1 ETH should be about right IMO - this is strictly my opinion though.

[fallen dome]

Can we buy with illuvium instead of eth?

[shrewd dome]

T1 and maybe T2 if we are really lucky. No way to know until the auctions start

[potent dock]

You can use sILV or ETH for the land sale!

ILV won't be for spending though

[fallen dome]

👍

[hasty haven]

sILV, the ERC20 token? Can I receive sILV from a friend and use that to participate in the land sale, or does it have to be sILV i earned from farming?

[potent dock]

sILV is sILV, if you buy it from a friend it will work, just be aware that there's no officially supported sILV liquidity pools or anything like that.

[feral hedge]

Use the !contract command in #👑〕bot-commands or look at pinned messages in #💰〕token to find sILV contract address.

[hasty haven]

If I were to use sILV for the land sale, would it use the price of the sILV token itself? I know that sILV is pretty much synthetic ILV, but right now it's at a discount to it. So just wondering which price would be referenced

Just wondering if it's possible to get a discount/premium with sILV. If so, it would make the sILV:ILV peg practically 1:1, I'm assuming.

[feral hedge]

Should use the same ratio as ILV/ETH for buying land. I do hope it's possible, since I got a bunch of sILV for the auction.

And so have many, from what I've seen.

[potent dock]

The price of sILV on secondary markets is low because the land sale will be the first time it has a use case (and a few other reasons). sILV is pegged to the price of ILV for land sale and in-game use.

[hasty haven]

Are you completely certain that sILV will be pegged to the price of ILV for the land sale? Cause if so, I'll scoop some up, I won't make fun of you if you don't know haha

[potent dock]

You can still make fun of me, but sILV is pegged to the price of ILV. It was never even intended to be sold, so the secondary markets are selling at a discount (because people wanted to take profits NOW instead of claiming ILV and waiting for vesting)

[hasty haven]

yolo

[potent dock]

Don't take my word for it, it's right in the Tokenomics Medium article. https://medium.com/illuvium/9-tokenomics-launchpad-and-reward-details-5894c3b356be

[hasty haven]

Ooh thanks for the article. "All in-game purchases are indexed to USD so a price conversion from $sILV to USD (based on $ILV) is used." So the land sale would be considered an in-game purchase?

[potent dock]

It would be an unfair assumption to think that sILV would be pegged to the price of anything that ISN'T ILV at this point. There's been nothing indicating that sILV won't be pegged to ILV price for the land sale.

I see your point about the semantics of the wording though.

[hasty haven]

Alright, thanks a ton mr blicky blick

[buoyant wasp]

Will be pegged to ilv and people are selling at discount cos that’s the only way you can take profit from staking rewards

[potent dock]

Oh I don't need convincing haha

[fallen dome]

Wondering if there will be smaller parcels of land.. it seems that perhaps I may not be seeking the correct opportunity to earn income as a whole eth may be out of my budget.. or will there be other opportunities to earn land. ?

[brisk plume]

there will be multple tiers of lands

[fallen dome]

🙏🏻 thank you.

[wise flume]

Will Illuvium Zero run on Immutable X?

[slate goblet]

NFT yes, fuels no

[wise flume]

Is fuel described in one of the pinned posts?

[vivid cipher]

Yes. The iz tokenomics

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857471213513605140/872697327503163453/IZGDD-Tokenomics.pdf

Here

[vivid cipher]

It’s really hard to know what the lowest price will be for land. Buying and staking ILV may be very similar revenue wise.

[buoyant wasp]

Meaning we have to move land to immutable X to play IZ?

[hardy brook]

Is it true that 90% of all land for sale will be tier 1 with the remaining 10% split between tiers 2,3,4 and 5?

[inland smelt]

Not everything in Land will run on IMX at first.

[inland smelt]

As I know, the exact number is still not official annouced atm

[hardy brook]

Ok, thanks

[vivid cipher]

If you want to play around with a chart of what the different amounts could be then use this document.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mjxD-MjO4eSG8IKTRewCzWbv6cYt1BVwFV276HyJPHA/edit#gid=0

The constant ratio should be something between 2 and 10.

[hardy brook]

Thanks, I'm not entirely sure where I read/heard the 90% tier 1 thing. I've been listening to all the past interviews lately so it must have been mentioned in one of them.

[vivid cipher]

I think it even mentions something like that in the GDD. But that was just an initial number not the final one.

I know some people have misinterpreted a few things and shared that number before

[hardy brook]

Yeah I take everything with a pinch of salt right now. We're all so desperate for info rumours quickly become seen as facts. Still, nothing wrong with a bit of speculation evey now and then.

[vivid cipher]

Haha for sure. I’m guilty of that for sure

[slow cedar]

Does this mean facts you earn at the start will be wiped at main game launch (like structures), or will they remain (like blueprints)?

[buoyant wasp]

@amber atlas how about fuels? As far as what is shared, fuels are stored as NFT( or tokens I can’t be sure) in your wallet, so would they be also wiped when main game launches?

[inland smelt]

Fuel is ERC20 token. It won't be on blockchain until main game released. So yeah, it would also be wiped.

Everything except Blueprints

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-finger-snap-disappear-gif-13174976

[amber atlas]

this

[swift spear]

If it’s 90% tier 1, doubt I’ll get the t2 I’m hoping for haha

[fading fulcrum]

If you intend to play both Illuvium Zero, and the main game, will it be possible use fuel output from your land directly into the main game? (Without the need to swap into and out of eth)

[wise flume]

So I'm reading the Illuvium Zero tokenomics, and theres all these hyperlinks, but I can't access the website they are linking me to. Is that normal? I assumed they were linking me to more explanations or definitions or something

Also is Aarons GDD from the 23rd of July still relevant? Or are some of the ideas in it scrapped or changed?

[inland smelt]

Since main game run on IMX, and first stage of IZ run on L1. I think land owners will need a fee to swap fuel from L1 to IMX to use in main game. Is it correct @vivid cipher ?

[amber atlas]

The overall idea is relevant, but certainly some things are scrapped or changed dramatically

we will aim to publish some updated doc before Land sale with a reasonable amount of time for people to digest before the sale

[wise flume]

And land sale is End of October/Start of November right?

[ivory vine]

Much appreciated, it should help a lot with the decision making process for everyone and also gives us a chance to point people towards a coherent source of information for this topic 🙂

[amber atlas]

yes still targetteted around that original timeline

[fast vale]

Nice iam excited

[fast vale]

Great

[slow cedar]

Johnny, we're all asking pretty specific questions about the GDD and tokenomics and interactions - but here's a more general one for you - what's your favourite bit of Illuvium Zero? It could be a design decision, some of the art, mechanics, how something is coded, whatever you fancy

[sly leaf]

Are there any on chain actions in the minigames? Coz I’m afraid the game is gonna cost a lot to play

[slow cedar]

My understanding is there are a few - claiming fuel, minting NFT blueprints etc, but those are all done when it suits the player to do. The vast majority will be off chain

[sly leaf]

on chain Ethereum?😖

[slow cedar]

Initially yes, moving to IMX when the IMX chain is able to support Illuvium Lands fully

[sly leaf]

when the game launches there will be gas wars coming…

[slow cedar]

I don't think IZ is going to cause gas spikes, due to the nature of the dutch auction and player choice on when to claim fuel and blueprints, all transactions should be spread out - just a shame the whole of ethereum is clogged up like crazy

[small star]

https://tenor.com/view/smokin-hot-love-flaming-heart-passionate-heart-dang-its-hot-in-here-heart-throb-gif-15529849

[buoyant wasp]

I think fuels are off chain in beta, hopefully when full game launch already on immutable X

[dusty scaffold]

maybe we can ask them to allow the game to store the fuel + blueprint offchain until full game launch on immutable X

then it can get minted?

[small star]

They want a fair start for everyone joining the game the day of the launch, that's why they will wipe out lands when the game release

[amber atlas]

that image looks so cool

[dusty scaffold]

but this only means they need to port over only the fuel and blueprint.. though technically it maybe harder then a full reset

[amber atlas]

its not feasible from a security perspective

we don't have time to build the backend that we would need to support that for v1

[dusty scaffold]

hmmm how about this, a snapshot and a direct mint by the team for the correlating accounts. then it will just be on the checking

[small star]

Give me a land game that is as fun (for me) as collecting spice in Dune 2 and i'll send you more !

[amber atlas]

lol

[distant lotus]

I was thinking it reminded me a bit of Dune 2 as well, I loved that game!!

[wise flume]

So to be clear, absolutely everything (Buildings, Resources, Progress) will get wiped when Illuvium release?

[inland smelt]

except Blueprints

[livid kestrel]

So almost everything we do in IZ before main game release is just for fun right?

[fallow barn]

I would assume you can build a supply for the market as soon as the main game drops

[buoyant wasp]

If you have some rare and useful blueprints, I suppose you can sell for many eth

[sly summit]

doesnt it all reset and everyone starts from zero when illuvium releases?

[buoyant wasp]

Except blueprints😆

[sly summit]

oh yeah just read above too. im sorry. thanks

[slow cedar]

It'll also be a good chance to trial stuff. I think I want to go into fuel production, but I can test out blueprints, fuel production, illuvial scanning etc at a point where it doesn't "cost me" in missed opportunities

[sly summit]

yeah and then you would know how to develop faster

[amber narwhal]

What is blueprints in this game? anybody maybe can explain or got a link for it?

[slow cedar]

They'll be used for making equipment for the main illuvium game

[inland smelt]

Check out GDD in pin messages.

[shrewd axle]

How to have a green name?

[empty path]

Be active in chat

[shrewd axle]

Oh i see

When will this be release?

[empty path]

You mean the game?

[shrewd axle]

Yeah

[empty path]

I think land sale should be in about 9 weeks

[simple juniper]

Land will be in 7-8 weeks in the November

[shrewd axle]

I see

This is totally free? And we can sell these monsters?

[slow cedar]

This sub chat is for a land based mini game (which isn't free if you want to earn). #💬〕general is where you want to be, but yes the main game is free to play (in theory)

[amber narwhal]

The "free to play" you will get a tier 0 land plot, but you cant build on it i think

[slow cedar]

You can build on it, but it's all just for fun. Nothing translates across to the blockchain so you can't earn at all

[boreal granite]

Guys good evening, is there a video that can help us understand more about the game? Because I new here and I really want to know more about this game

[slow cedar]

GDD in the pinned messages of this channel. No video yet (no gameplay footage out)

[boreal granite]

Okay thank you so much

Im not really good at reading comprehension though hahaha

[slow cedar]

If you want, watch a video on "Simpsons tapped out" - it's been referenced a lot by the devs and is likely a good way to get a good idea of how the game will play.

Add to that blockchain intereactions, limited space, making fuel and blueprints (which are usable in the main game) and you've got a pretty good overview of the project

[boreal granite]

Sir is it already released?

[slow cedar]

The land sale will take place in about 8 weeks (give or take). The game will then be in playable beta (some stuff will remain, most stuff will be wiped), going fully live at the same time the main illuvium game does

[boreal granite]

Okay beta, base from what I ha read, you can start with 50$ right?

[slow cedar]

For the main illuvium game you can. For the land sale who knows. If you want to buy one of the 20,000 illuvium zero lands, I'd be expecting to pay about $1,000 minimum (although pricing is unknown due to their auction method of sale, and they could go for more or less)

[boreal granite]

Okay thank you so much for the info

[crisp blaze]

Damn I thought I could've snatched land up with 50$ 😢

[slow cedar]

Maybe I'm wrong and you'll be able to (but I highly highly highly doubt it)

[crisp blaze]

Are there any confirmed time slots for the auction? Might be asleep or at work during it 🙃

[slow cedar]

I don't believe so. Date of it is still pretty vague. What we do know is they will be auctioned off in batches, so expect some to be in the "sellable price range" while you're asleep, and others while you're awake

[crisp blaze]

Hope to get lucky i guess, ty for the info!

Is this info right? 3 regions will be rich in Carbon, 2 in Hydrogen, and last 2 in Silicon? Does this mean Carbon will be more common/abundant than the others and land in Carbon-rich regions may be slightly cheaper?

[slate goblet]

@amber atlas can u confirm?

[crisp blaze]

oh wait sorry, the publish0x article I got it from put a disclaimer that it was unconfirmed from the game design document

[sage tree]

If you're lucky u might be able to get land for 1000. Most land will be going for over a 1000 up to hundreds of thousands

[rustic kayak]

This makes me feel better! I’m going in with 4k, im trying to get tier 2 or 3

[sage tree]

Nice. Hope u get a piece of land

[rustic kayak]

Thank you!!

[vivid cipher]

@fading fulcrum I don’t think fuel will need to be swapped with ETH to be transferred. But should be able to be transferred as erc20 into IMX.

[left rune]

hello , where i can i read more info about the land and their tiers ?

[noble surge]

Will be sILV be exchangeable for ETH somehow? Let's say I decide to claim my sILV because I like the land prices and want to try the auction. If I don't get to buy the land, I'm stuck with HUGE amount of sILV. Will I be able to exchange it back to ETH for example? Any liquidity on this pair?

[coarse ledge]

You can have the general overview from the GDD on the pinned messages.

[left rune]

GDD?

[left rune]

thank you , read the pinned messages , i need something above tier 2

[inland smelt]

Game Design Document

[left rune]

oh okey , cheers mate

[inland smelt]

me too 😆

[left rune]

is staking ILV to get SILV the best route to take now to have more firepower when the game releases or is there a better way

[glad laurel]

There's not going to be an official method, as the idea is that sILV is like a "gift certificate" and not meant to be circulating. There have been (not officially supported) pools set up on Sushi - I believe sILV is currently trading at a large discount (like 50%) compared to the value of ILV, considering the narrower use-case.

[thorny crater]

Only official way to get sILV is by claim rewards from staking. But those who know the crypto game well, from what i am told, are benefiting a lot from the unofficial sources…..I am to ignorant in cyrptoto take the risk lol

[potent dock]

Some people are buying sILV on secondary markets. sILV is rad in a lot of ways, but staking ILV long term is also really good. I'm in the camp of "buy ILV, get rewards as sILV", but it's up to you 😄

[left rune]

din know we could purchase silv , where can i get them lol

[rain tree]

Is illuvium zero projected to release around same time as illuvium, Q1 2022?

[left rune]

like binance ?

[ivory vine]

Yes, the v2 release (including blockchain features etc.) will happen together with the release of the main game. You will be able to play and build on your land before that already though. It just gets wiped for release and nothing was minted on the mainnet then 🙂

[glad laurel]

Only options are unofficial liquidity pools (SushiSwap, etc) - no official support for purchasing sILV

[noble surge]

thanks, so I will be "stuck" to use those sILV in the game. I mean might be good but maybe it's better if I claim now and let another part accumulate for the sale

[left rune]

aaah okey , thank you 🙂

[buoyant wasp]

I just bought like 40ish silv they are trading at $220 per piece now

[inland smelt]

wow!!!

[glad laurel]

So, like a 60% discount now. Wow

[buoyant wasp]

Hopefully the 40+ my silv from staking can get me a T3 land , I am optimistic but I am thinking likely I can get T2 only..

[inland smelt]

If your 40+ sILV can't get T3 Land, then I can only get T1 land 😂 OMG

[terse peak]

damn, thats a lot of sILV 😱

[terse peak]

lol.. u and I both 😅

[buoyant wasp]

If you look at the silv holders now I am not even in the top 50… the top guy have like 2300…so I am not very hopeful

[inland smelt]

or maybe not even enough for T1 lol

[inland smelt]

Don't compare with a freaking 🐳

[buoyant wasp]

Anyway for those who are interested to sell/buy this is the unofficial LP , do check the contract to ensure you buy the right token, you can get silv contract by using !contract in the bot channel https://www.dextools.io/app/ether/pair-explorer/0x13cf86f52d4a3000ca7349ce5cf107c248dfea81

[inland smelt]

Thanks for the info.

[swift spear]

Jesus. I have 6 sILV and I was hoping for T2. Rip

I guess it depends how they do the split. I was anticipating $3-5k for tier 2

[buoyant wasp]

I believe that there where a previous article that estimate T1 to be 0.5-1 eth value so T2 is likely at least 3 eth?

[terse peak]

me too! I was hoping that would be the price range for tier 2 as well. But i guess its all down to the market once the sale goes live. Hope they leave some affordable tier 2 lands for me. If not ill just have to settle for tier 1 😩

[swift spear]

I mean I either get land or I get big revdis, it’s win win 😂

[buoyant wasp]

55 mins in , about the land sale https://youtu.be/x5D5_4SYrhs

[inland smelt]

If I can't even buy a T1 land, the number of Revdis would be HUGE. But i still want a piece of land rather than revdis 🤦‍♂️

[swift spear]

That’s pure speculation though, I honestly think they will be less, but perhaps I’m sniffing too much hopium

[dusty scaffold]

well given they are selling 100k land in total. imagine 1 T1 is 1eth... that is like at least 100k eth in funding... which is insane.. so i agree it should be lower for T1s

[slate goblet]

I think talks about sILV should be on #🥩〕staking :/

[hallow sage]

nah T3 shouls be possible

[hallow sage]

I would still buy

[vale siren]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-larry-the-lobster-hip-thrust-thrusting-whoop-gif-4892328

[vale siren]

you goot 1000+ Ilv? gg wp

[inland smelt]

I'm just a lovely 🪴 in this harsh world

[uneven elbow]

What’s peoples views on T1 land?

[brave lark]

I was pretty set on trying to get a T1, but once I realized you need T2+ for fuel production without conversion I'm leaning towards increasing my budget 💸

[uneven elbow]

It’ll be a big jump I think lol out of my budget certainly if the predictions are correct.. I might chance a couple T1s can always sell it I guess

[brave lark]

What's the current estimate for a T2? :braces_for_impact: (I know it's all speculative at this point)

[glad laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-ilv-yield-farming-yield-farm-play2earn-gif-22827303

[uneven elbow]

Lol a good couple of ETH T1 predicted 1-2.5k

[inland smelt]

Hope it would be 3-4k

[dusk fox]

I think 1-2k, hope so 😄

[inland smelt]

You mean T1 land ? lol

[uneven elbow]

So T1 not worth it 🥲? Haven’t had a chance to read the GDD yet

[inland smelt]

This is a summary I made for all Tier

[inland smelt]

Since the main goal in IZ is produce Fuel, and T1 land does not have Fuel site, that's why it's value is a litte low.

[mortal merlin]

Fuel site output of T4 is lower than T3?

Strange

[vapid sundial]

2. tier 1 - 5 real virtual land. Can create fuel erc20 i'm confused.

[brave lark]

T1 can still produce via converting other T1-available resources into fuel, but it's a smaller amount in comparison to raw collection, even so, it's still producing something, so I think it will still have some value🤞

[inland smelt]

Yeah, that's my question too. Aaron used to explain about this:
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[inland smelt]

Yes. That's why it should be around 500-2k is fine for me 😆

[uneven elbow]

Damn.. just gonna be costly to convert it all you think?

[inland smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-robert-downey-jr-sherlock-holmes-rdj-gif-4384335

[brave lark]

I'm hoping it at least doesn't require fuel to convert to fuel *using the stones to destroy the stones

[uneven elbow]

Haha it’s all a mystery it’s killing me

[little moon]

Cant you also scan for skins and other stuff on the land?

[brave lark]

Yeah, I wonder if T1 will be better suited to BP discovery & production to produce value

[inland smelt]

Yes, as I know there at least 3 types of blueprint: skin, weapon and arrmour. But the first stage of IZ will only have equipment blueprint.

[inland smelt]

T1 also be able to scan and research blueprint.

[little moon]

Tier 1 is definitely the move for me

[uneven elbow]

You’re sold on the T1 are you mate

[uneven elbow]

What’s you’re view on it ? Interested to see what everyone thinks

[minor steeple]

Seems most are trying to plan on highest they'll be able to buy based on budget

[ember compass]

Yes, the way the doc currently reads, (of course it's subject to change) - Fuel Output on T4 is Lower than T3, but Fuel Site Variety is Max on T4. It's a balance... If you want more than one Type of Fuel Site on your Land plot, then the trade off is that you only get low Fuel Production.

[mystic blade]

What is tier 0???

[gritty charm]

they release any info on price of land or release date? also anyone know how to apply for beta?

[glad laurel]

F2P and doesn't interact with the blockchain / economy.

[gritty charm]

believe thats the free to play one

[ember compass]

It's been stated that any land can produce any Resource (Fuels or Elements) - by using the Converters for each specific Resource... The Converters can be placed anywhere as they don't require a specific resource Site. They will be very inefficient, but will allow you to collect some of the each type so that no payment is required to build all of the buildings... It will just take time (maybe a lot of time). If you don't have all of the Resource sites you need, then you can either wait for the Convertors - or use the marketplace to buy/trade for what you are missing.

[ember compass]

Based on what we know so far, T0 land is the free to play land that is included in the game for those who don't purchase land. T0 land will be truely 'stand alone' as tt will not be connected to the main Illuvium Game.
T0 will allow you play and enjoy the mini game - which is why the stats for T0 are really good (almost T4 level) - but will not be on-chain.

[mystic blade]

So as long as I have my wallet connected with the game will I be able to buy land at the auction? Or is there another process? I just want to be prepared.

[glad laurel]

Exact details still to be released, but the land sale is supposed to be done through the website in what will become the game's main marketplace. There's no whitelisting process or anything.

[swift spear]

Where can I read the IZ Document?

[little moon]

https://discordapp.com/channels/760344898200666112/857471213513605140/880582196816142426

[swift spear]

Cheers

[mystic blade]

If I buy land will I be able to keep the progress that I keep with it through the beta? Or will it all restart when the full game comes out.

[ember compass]

From what is known: All data in IZ will be reset when the full game comes out. With the exception (so far) of blueprints that you've been able to create.

[humble ether]

How does scanning work? You scan and locate a blueprint, and you can now claim it as a blueprint NFT?

[rain tree]

Was also going to ask about blueprints. If you do the scan process to create a blueprint for a skin, weapon, etc. That creates an NFT for that item and then you can sell it? Or do you get reoccurring revenues every time a player buys that skin in the market?

[inland smelt]

Nope. Scanning help you get biodatas from Illuvials. Then you will use those biodatas combine with something else to create Blueprints. And the success rate is not 100%!

[inland smelt]

Blueprint is a NFT, you can sell it or use it for crafting and then sell equipments to other players. For the players in main game Illuvium, there will be a preloaded library of Blueprints that they can use for crafting. Then, they have to buy blueprint/equipments from land owners to get more powerful equipments. Is this correct @amber atlas ?

[rain tree]

Yeah, so that would essential make blueprints the same concept as royalties? Every time a player in the main game buys your blueprint that you discovered, then you get a share of the cost they pay in ETH?

[feral hedge]

Don't think that's how it works, but sounds like a cool idea!

[inland smelt]

No, I don't think so. Since you've sold your blueprint, it will be own by another one.

[rain tree]

So I cant post a SS but this is under 'optional mechanic' in the gdd pdf in the pins

"A Blueprint could be a special ownership token that allows the owner to share in the revenue when players of Illuvium generate that specific item."

[inland smelt]

JohnnyA used to have an idea like you: the first person who discover a BP that no one ever discover will have a revenue share. But after discuss with Aaron, that idea has been changed to this because they don't like a 'lottery' model:
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[inland smelt]

And he also said, some things will be changed in the development
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

That why you should stick in this channel everyday and wait for his leaking to get up to date 😆

[rain tree]

Ah, got it. Thanks for clarifying that. I have just recently been introduced to this project and just found the discord server yesterday. But I will be checking in daily as I am going to be staking and definitely buying land.

I think I read the land sale should be around last week of Oct or first week of Nov?

[inland smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/the-god-father-marlon-brando-vito-corleone-talk-to-me-gif-20107028

[inland smelt]

10 weeks from 21 August. It might be somewhere in November

[rain tree]

Yeah thats the exact timeline I was referring to but didnt know the exact date it was posted

Also, if you get land on week 10 and start generating resources, fuel, etc. Those resources will or will not be wiped on week 18?

[inland smelt]

Will all be wiped at v2 except blueprints, because they’re NFT.

[inland smelt]

I’m off to bed now. Talk to you later 👋

[rain tree]

Thanks again, have a good one!

[digital steppe]

what is going to remain from Illuvium:Zero to the Illuvium main-game? just blueprints, or its too early to tell

[lofty cape]

yes it is up for changes on what's going to carry over

[vivid cipher]

One of the reasons for creating Illuvium Zero the way it’s going to be is so it will serve as the economic backbone of the entire Illuvium gaming metaverse.

The different FUEL tokens created in the minigame will be used in the the other illuvium titles as the in game currencies for paying in game fees or making purchases from the game itself.

[uneven elbow]

You’re an educated guy.. what do you think of T1 land pelican? 😏

[vivid cipher]

It’ll be nice

For me I’m thinking land will end up being balanced at just about the same ROI as buying the same value of ILV ($10k worth of land will earn rev at about the same as $10k worth of ILV) But the scarcity of the land could possibly increase the value of the land NFTs at a higher rate than the standard revdis will increase the value of ILV tokens.

Illuvium Zero is gamified staking.

[misty orbit]

Are the land nfts going to be trade-able on imm x as soon as auctions are over or?

[vivid cipher]

Unknown

[uneven elbow]

Can’t wait! Thanks for your input

[slate goblet]

nice and wise words @vivid cipher 😄

do u think that balance will be dynamic or set this year and kept as is?

[vivid cipher]

This is my pure speculation for numbers of land per tier in the first sale of 20k lands and seems likely to have the same composition for the rest of the sales
13500 T1
4500 T2
1500 T3
500 T4
1 or 2 T5 (Basically t5 doesn't count)

Each tier of increase is a 3 for 1. Just like Fusing. A thing a beauty.

[vivid cipher]

It's too tricky because revdis is unknown because how much fuel is needed in the maingame is unknown because how many players will be playing is unknown.

[slate goblet]

that's why I wonder if lands profitability will be dynamic

I remember Aaron saying that DAO will produce flucutable fuel to keep their prices stable, I wonder if lands profitability will be set the same way.

[vivid cipher]

yeah it will be dynamic much like revdis for ILV is dynamic

[slate goblet]

of course that on the long run investors will prefere the one with higher profitability

[swift spear]

It’ll be interesting to see if staking or land is the better investment long term

[vivid cipher]

but the lands must produce the fuel that is needed in game. PLUS fuel can be swapped with silv or eth. So it's got more options than ILV has for revdis. Since staked ILV gets no revdis from silv purchases.

[slate goblet]

it won't be possible to swap any fuel for sILV, I think there will be a sc for trading which will burn the sILV

[vivid cipher]

ah that's true! I'm not sure what that would mean though... it'll be extra tricky to balance the fuel pools while sILV and ETH can be swapped for fuel. Glad that isn't my job to figure out.

[slate goblet]

sILV part is the easy one 🙂

[vivid cipher]

7,000,000/100,000=70 & 70*.05=3.5 so all the lands (not including t5 if you ask me) should reach a total market value of 3.5x the FDV of ILV.

I just made this up right now. I don't know if it passes review. lol... (upon review it fails miserably... edited speculation below)

[ember hill]

No clue what this means but I like big numbers

[vivid cipher]

Yeah maybe until sILV pool ends the DAO just mints whatever FUEL is needed for the sILV. Maybe only the IZ player controlled fuel gets into the ETH/FUEL pool...

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/and-when-you-know-you-know-love-marriage-relationship-gif-16414791

ilv tokens and land tokens and fuel ownership

[slate goblet]

I think it's just gonna query the LP for price and mint the amount required to bring price back to the parameter set, it'd be the simplest way to implement it

then remains to know how lands production will be defined

[vivid cipher]

I just read the second half of this... and it sounds very wrong

7,000,000/100,000=70 & 70 x .05=3.5 so each of the lands (not including t5 if you ask me) should have an average price of 3.5 x the price of 1 ILV.

This looks better.

So... currently that puts average price of land at having $1,800 as the absolute floor.
Oh gosh I could try to extrapolate floor prices for each tier this way...
But the fact is this value floor is not gonna be reached thanks to hype and sILV

[swift condor]

https://www.vwvortex.com/threads/lamborghini-is-sending-carbon-fiber-to-the-international-space-station.9453865/ clearly they know we are coming for them soon

[slate goblet]

well the market will balance it, but lands have much lower liquidity than ILV

[vivid cipher]

so volatility

[slate goblet]

when the game is released and revdis starts we'll be able to make all calculations, the issue is define how much a land is worth now on auction 1

[ember hill]

What does the 70 * 0.5 mean?

[vivid cipher]

So my assumption is that it will not sell for what it's worth... it'll sell for maybe 2-5x that.

[vivid cipher]

There are 70x more ilv than land. But land owners will gain revenue from 5% of the fuel used in the main game. So i compared the revdis of staked ILV to the revenue return for lands. (I did not include the NFT trading fees or the blueprints... maybe those would be similarly balanced actually... but thats a different thing for me... too hard to include in calculations)

[ember hill]

Got it! That sorta seems like multiplying apples * oranges to me but hey I don't have a better guess, so I'm all for it 🙂

(only because there are SO many variables, so really no clue here)

[vivid cipher]

If it was all done today by the numbers I ran here... (based on my own arbitrary amounts of each tier of land) here is what i'd say the lands would be worth...

13500 T1 $675
4500 T2 $2,000.00
1500 T3 $6,000.00
500 T4 $18,000.00

the thing is ILV stakers will get 95% of the ETH from FUEL token swaps... and Land owners producing FUEL will get the other 5%. If the IZ tokenomics holds true.

[glad laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/doug-maclean-mac-kyper-kypreos-nick-kypreos-gif-22264825

[vivid cipher]

It's crap for sure all crap

[ember hill]

Yeah---but ILV also has other benefits like governance (which alone can make a token very valuable), and land will have other benefits like the fun factor and the value of non-fuel materials (the elements used in IZ). I have no idea how that all works out in the end

[vivid cipher]

For sure there are tons of other factors... I just like to run the cold numbers sometimes

[safe pewter]

gm guys..when is land sale?

[vivid cipher]

!timeline

[dry forge]

The current estimates are:

• Closed beta in October / November
• Gameplay trailer end of October
• Illuvatar auction before open beta
• Open beta (launch) on PC & MAC in Q1 2022
• Mobile launch in 2022

Ongoing: Hiring of new Core Contributors, Influencer Partnerships and more

[ember hill]

I do like the speculation here on the amount of each tier of land being based on the 3x fusing approach though! That seems really plausible

[vivid cipher]

huh That timeline doesn't say... hmm I think its like november or something... anyone remember what the IIP said?

[ember hill]

was start + 10 weeks. So 10 weeks from Aug 21, although I think it was an approximate estimate and not a deadline https://gov.illuvium.io/#/ilvgov.eth/proposal/QmNab3vqQX3q2yTNSo1rwK5PzPgE8QxRnEA13jKz8gWQu9

[vivid cipher]

yup thats it... So yeah Early november maybe

[safe pewter]

Thanks guys😆, hope i have funds for this, might be expensive though

remaining money i have i've thrown in ILV

[shrewd dome]

Smart move

[safe pewter]

yup , been here since ILV is just around 200-250usd..so it already pays out..but just a small player here so i really dont have that much ILV

[shrewd dome]

I didn't get in until 411. You staked ILV Core?

[safe pewter]

everything i earned from axie i put in staking ILV..yeah just ILV, ..SLP pools are complicated and more gas fees..so i just invested in ILV pool

[valid oyster]

how about a area? Is T3 bigger than T2 bigger than T1....or it will be a same area but different in resource type and production rate?

Thinking that buy 3 T1 land or 1 T2 land instead?

[vivid cipher]

Should all be about the same size I think

[fallow igloo]

It sounds like they are all the same size approx 100 units. So 100 possible spots to place things while some of them would be taken up by a resource pit

[vivid cipher]

Same kinds of resources just more of it

[vivid cipher]

This is really nice. I don’t quite understand how t0 is even on the list. But that’s ok. I guess it must all just be off chain resources.

[queen fog]

Will the marketplace work at the 10th week start till the 18th? I imagine people would spend eth to trade rss, then have their base reset and all that eth gone for nothing...

[vivid cipher]

I’m not sure… but the blueprint NFTs would still be held through the wipe. So not for nothing exactly

[queen fog]

yeah thats fine, but just curious if they trading will be enabled. Some ppl will get burnt if they didnt read the resetting part 🙂

[slate goblet]

I'm worried with fuels being on L1, it's gonna be too expensive to sell fuel and only rich ppl will buy it because it's gonna need to be in high amounts

it's gonna hurt the game if most illuvials are caught by rich ppl then become rare, they're gonna hold and only sell for abusive prices

[thorny crater]

^^ exactly what i had a discussion about about whales and land….I was shot down.
But capitalism and thems the breaks

[slate goblet]

🙂

[queen fog]

Will fuel be on L1?

[cinder fractal]

If you are investing without proper research you shouldn't complain if you lose money, and I'm sure it will be easy to find that information

[cinder fractal]

I think how everything will go through layer2 but I'm not sure

Kieran said in many interviews how players are not going to pay any fees for in game purchases

[queen fog]

If the game is running on L2 for all the other purchases I dont see a reason to run fuel on L1

[cinder fractal]

Where did you get information that fuel will be on layer1

[slate goblet]

yes, fuels will be on L1, it was confirmed many times

[cinder fractal]

Is that only for illuvium zero?

[slate goblet]

the reason is that IMX doesn't support it :p

fuel is fuel, they are produced by IZ and DAO and consumed on main game

[cinder fractal]

Marketplace must be on layer2?

[slate goblet]

IlluviDEX will be on L2

[little moon]

Fuel should move to L2 some time next year. IMX does not support it yet but they are working on it.

[slate goblet]

end of 2022

[cinder fractal]

Good to know I will need to do math once when we have some numbers if it's more profitable to buy land or simply to stake some more liquidity

[slate goblet]

we were talking about that a couple hours ago 🙂

[cinder fractal]

Imagine selling fuel for 100$ and paying gas 200$ if eth is at 10k 😂

[cinder fractal]

What was the conclusion :)

[slate goblet]

we don't have info needed to make proper calc, but ILV staking and land management should balance into similar profitability

[cinder fractal]

We are talking about single pool?

[slate goblet]

ILV has way better liquidity

yes it's gonna be 1 pool for all fuels

[cinder fractal]

I mean we are talking about earning from ilv pool not ilv/eth

[slate goblet]

we're not talking about ILV pool 😄

[cinder fractal]

Here you said how you people concluded profitability should be more or less the same

[slate goblet]

ah ok yeah it includes SLP staking

[cinder fractal]

Slp staking is going down every 2 weeks but we will earn some rev divs in the future, hmmm interesting choices :)

Let's wait and see when we have some more informations I guess at this point if land is "cheap" I will buy

[slate goblet]

yep I think I'm gonna wait for auction 2 or 3 when all richies had bought theirs and prices may go down

[cinder fractal]

I was thinking the same but at that point we can have over 1mil people in the group and game out so more new people

I think how first sale will be the best option

And people who are staking a lot they will have a ton of sILV for every sale.. Time will tell but one thing is sure can't be bad if you are invested in illuvium :)

[slate goblet]

well if lands have bad ROI then I'll just not buy any

auction 1 also top high risk, because we'll not the least about lands, on auction 2 we'll alrdy know how to play, how ppl are profitting, prices on iDEX

[cinder fractal]

For future games are we going to use same land or new land will be created

[slate goblet]

they can't create new land if they start selling saying 100K

[distant lotus]

I think 40 SILV should give you really good odds at a Tier 3 or even 4. Especially if an ILV is worth closer to $1K around land sale... I have 17 SILV, I'm hoping for 2x tier 2 or 1 tier 3

[slate goblet]

on auction 2 we'll have lands on iDEX, so prices will be well known and auction will sell most lands close to iDEX prices, but prices will drop a lot because we'll get lands quantity doubled

[cinder fractal]

If land is going to be connected to every future game than it can have way more value than what roi is telling us now

[slate goblet]

yep that's why I said profitability, not ROI

[buoyant wasp]

I am not that hopeful , I predict about 1000 -1500 tier 3 land only and there are too many buyers…

[cinder fractal]

If you are not able to buy tier3 with 40silv that's amazing, rain some rev divs on me 😂

[timber birch]

I think sILV used does not go to revdis

[cinder fractal]

Yep but some people will use eth and if sILV is used it will have strong deflationary effect

[buoyant wasp]

Silv don’t bring revdis, also there are about 100k potential silv/ilv yet to be claimed, even the current claim liquidity which is about 17k ( increasing by quite a lot daily)which I suppose will mostly be used for land, it will price people out of T3

[timber birch]

There're 17k silv claimed/day?

[cinder fractal]

Like I said in message above long term doesn't matter we will have huge benefits even if most land is purchased with sILV

[buoyant wasp]

17k claimed so far

[brisk merlin]

Is the game already play to earn and when it was started?

[brittle radish]

I think so

[nocturne badger]

hellow.. where is the giveaway post? can someone please?

[uncut path]

Thank you for the invite

[tight igloo]

Noice

[brittle fiber]

Thank You.

[cosmic aspen]

https://discordapp.com/channels/760344898200666112/768749374255398943/887990973488070696

[spiral quartz]

Cant wait!

[cosmic aspen]

!welcome

[dry forge]

Welcome! Wondering where to get started and learn more? The #791148036935516161 section has all the information you need. From a brief overview to links that lead to highly detailed information. Also, be sure to check out these channels in the discord to stay up to date: #✍〕rules #📣〕announcements #❓〕faq #🚰〕leaks

[somber island]

Thanks for the invite

[cosmic aspen]

i suggest all read the #❓〕faq and move general queries and questions to: #💬〕general / #❓❗〕community-help / #814313779696238642

[thorn surge]

Thanks for invite

[cosmic aspen]

not sure what this "thanks for the invite" thing is.

[slate goblet]

it seems ppl are being invited somewhere lol

[humble ether]

seems kinda botty

[cosmic aspen]

yeah the anti-raid bot is kicking into overdrive right now

[cosmic aspen]

where are y'all being linked from?

[royal crane]

hello

[deft void]

hiya

[little moon]

i received an email. Am i not the only one?

[opaque wasp]

Hello

[slate goblet]

lol this is odd

[royal crane]

was that email even true ?

[slate goblet]

what did the email say? where it came from?

[coral oriole]

Hi

[stiff tinsel]

Hi

[cosmic aspen]

lol what is happening

where are you all coming from? an email?

also..uhh this channel for a while i guess

[slate goblet]

@ivory vine help us!

[royal crane]

it says ,, there's a raffle . 3 random lucky people will recieve hahaha

[cosmic aspen]

who/what is the sender address?

[meager kraken]

It's from DAO

[wispy island]

How to join

[vivid cipher]

What DAO?

[wispy island]

Yeah i rcvd that email from dao

[slate goblet]

maybe Kieran knows?

[cosmic aspen]

"Illuvium DAO [e-mail]"?

[meager kraken]

That I don't know 😅

[proven brook]

I received an email also 😆

[vivid cipher]

I don’t know what’s up

[dry forge]

This is a reminder to never give out your private key (12 to 24 word seed phrase) to anyone.
Nobody in the team will ever ask you to send ETH. There has been increasing activity of DMs in this Discord related to scams and fake giveaways.

Any giveaways/promotions will be announced on official channels. Not in Discord DMs. #🚨❗〕report-scammers in the linked section with a screenshot of the message you got in DM's. Also include the "@ username" in text and we will ban them. We are growing fast and there are targeted scams going around. Only trust links from official channels.

[vivid cipher]

Can’t be too careful

[blazing wigeon]

👍

[echo mulch]

noice i received an email from illuvium

[vivid cipher]

Could you screenshot the email and dm me or something?

[buoyant mountain]

🥰🥰

[graceful bane]

Hello

[tawdry wren]

Hi

[dry forge]

Welcome! Wondering where to get started and learn more? The #791148036935516161 section has all the information you need. From a brief overview to links that lead to highly detailed information. Also, be sure to check out these channels in the discord to stay up to date: #✍〕rules #📣〕announcements #❓〕faq #🚰〕leaks

[slate goblet]

hi 🙂

[jolly vessel]

Yo

[vivid cipher]

Looks like it’s gonna be nuts

[winter parcel]

What thus the email for?

[vivid cipher]

A great question…

[quartz minnow]

Hello!

[potent dock]

Hello!

Stay a while and listen :D

[rain pond]

noice

[vivid cipher]

A giveaway!

Welcome to the discord take a look around

[vestal notch]

Hopefully I get lucky

[empty sierra]

Cool

[vivid cipher]

!welcome

[dry forge]

Welcome! Wondering where to get started and learn more? The #791148036935516161 section has all the information you need. From a brief overview to links that lead to highly detailed information. Also, be sure to check out these channels in the discord to stay up to date: #✍〕rules #📣〕announcements #❓〕faq #🚰〕leaks

[vivid cipher]

Yeah buddy

#💬〕general is a great place to find out what’s happening

[acoustic lichen]

👍

[trim sapphire]

I wanna try this game soon. I hope I have a chance. Can't wait! 😍

[vivid cipher]

I know it’ll be fun stuff

[odd yoke]

👍

[white quarry]

What now? it only said join the discord?

What to do next?

[vivid cipher]

You are qualified

It also said watch for a new #📣〕announcements

[clear cypress]

Goodluck to all

[vivid cipher]

There will probably be something in there later

[thorn crypt]

Hello

[vivid cipher]

!welcome check out #💬〕general

[dry forge]

Welcome! Wondering where to get started and learn more? The #791148036935516161 section has all the information you need. From a brief overview to links that lead to highly detailed information. Also, be sure to check out these channels in the discord to stay up to date: #✍〕rules #📣〕announcements #❓〕faq #🚰〕leaks

[modest dagger]

Hello guys

[little moon]

Hello

[lucid glen]

Hi

[idle ferry]

Hellow

[median quiver]

Hi

[slate goblet]

hi 🙂

[rancid girder]

Hi

[vivid cipher]

!welcome come to #💬〕general for a good time

[dry forge]

Welcome! Wondering where to get started and learn more? The #791148036935516161 section has all the information you need. From a brief overview to links that lead to highly detailed information. Also, be sure to check out these channels in the discord to stay up to date: #✍〕rules #📣〕announcements #❓〕faq #🚰〕leaks

[vivid cipher]

Too much?

[hot raptor]

Hello

[thick surge]

hello. NFT newbie here. 😆

[vivid cipher]

!nft

[dry forge]

NFTs are unique tokens that have verifiable on-chain proof of ownership and verification. Anyone can verify the authenticity of an official asset on chain. Copies cannot be used in game and can easily be debunked as a copy.

Some newcomers think you can screenshot an NFT and own it but that is hilariously not the case. If you photocopy a very rare pokemon, MTG or baseball card and try to sell it on ebay you won’t get 6 figures, because it’s obviously a fake. With NFTs, the on chain data is proof of authenticity & legitimacy.

[weak nacelle]

Hello

[sterile stirrup]

g😋

[carmine bobcat]

G

[vivid cipher]

Why g?

Who g?

[median sapphire]

Bots flooding the discord or what

[vivid cipher]

Go to #💬〕general

[carmine bobcat]

G for game

[pseudo mirage]

Hi to all

[vivid cipher]

Not really. There is an email that seems to be linking people here

They are real people actually

[carmine bobcat]

Gudam to all from Philippines

[median sapphire]

Oh nice!

Crazy how fast we hit 120k after our 100k member mark

[slate goblet]

hi gg

[icy sorrel]

hello sir

[mental fable]

Guys. Is there some form to fill out for that 10 ILV raffle or anyone here in their discord is automatically joined?

[hard osprey]

Is this a click bait? 😂

[potent dock]

Not a clickbait lol

[royal lava]

Is this the legit group?

[high sedge]

Ano sayo 🤣

[opal arrow]

Na i content mo na ba to yt ch mo lods?

[cold trail]

So wheres the raffle hahaha

[swift condor]

by joining this server you are entered

[mortal merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-out-kevin-hart-jumanji-jumanji-movie-gif-11210111

Joining the server is enough. Now stop spamming hello on this channel.

[dry forge]

Welcome! Wondering where to get started and learn more? The #791148036935516161 section has all the information you need. From a brief overview to links that lead to highly detailed information. Also, be sure to check out these channels in the discord to stay up to date: #✍〕rules #📣〕announcements #❓〕faq #🚰〕leaks

[small star]

@amber atlas If i may a question. Have you plan of allowing multiple owners for the land ? Creating a pool of owners that could combine some resources to allow them to buy a bigger piece of land ? I know it would be complicated and almost impossible to do for the initial sale if it hasn't been planned. But just curious to know if you talked about such mechanisms or if it has been ruled out for now on.

[fallow barn]

Are there different sizes?
I thought it was just different tiers

[small star]

No overthinking here 😄 when i say bigger i mean bigger tiers. Good point @fallow barn ... it's another option to allow people to pool together their different t1 into a massive t1. 😋

[fallow barn]

Well. There's nothing stopping you from pooling your Silv or eth with other to buy a piece of land... but who gets to own it then? I doubt it would be able to be "subdivided"

[loud lake]

😂

[small star]

That's why i'm asking, if they have though some mechanism to help on that and make such decision "safer"

[little moon]

Hiiiii

[fallow barn]

I can't see how they could split the land at all so any "pooling" of $ to buy land has nothing to do with the game development team. That's a "contract" or agreement that you would enter into with whoever else goes in on the deal with you.... and in my personal opinion..... it will just end up being a headache and all but 1 person will get burnt

Also... I don't think more then 1 account could play on the same piece of land.......

[upbeat mango]

Wut up

[ivory herald]

Good morning guys

[shrewd axle]

Good day guys

[limpid snow]

just here for the 10 ILV. 🙂

[vivid cipher]

!welcome check #📣〕announcements and #💬〕general

[dry forge]

Welcome! Wondering where to get started and learn more? The #791148036935516161 section has all the information you need. From a brief overview to links that lead to highly detailed information. Also, be sure to check out these channels in the discord to stay up to date: #✍〕rules #📣〕announcements #❓〕faq #🚰〕leaks

[vivid cipher]

It’s doable. All participants in the purchase would create a DAO. And use a multisig wallet or something. But it’s not gonna be a mechanic provided by the team. But the tools are out there.

[minor robin]

So there's an email... but still no next step yet for 10ILV 😄

[odd hedge]

GIVEAWAY INSTRUCTIONS?

[craggy marlin]

hello everyone! thanks for the invite

[inland smelt]

What is going on here 😂 just woke up and see a bunch of hello, hi, invite and 10 ILV messages