🎮〕illuvium-zero

[opal thistle]

Rewards are live
#📣〕announcements message

[rotund forum]

ohh nice. But what is being measured? Total fuel output?

[wraith garnet]

very good question, wondering myself

[radiant sky]

unknown

[fading moon]

Where Can i sell fuel Generated from land ?

[twin sequoia]

You have to burn the fuel

and 1-2 days after the cycle ends (1 week long) you can get the reward in "My Rewards" in your profile, choosing between Fuel or ETH

[hardy brook]

It can't be fuel output though right. We effectively already have that. Plus if it is it's basically rewards for T4 players only.

[radiant sky]

Many different ways a leaderboard can be set up.
You could do tier specific leaderboards for example, where you compete just in your "size"
You could also do just 1 leaderboard for all, favoring clearly hight-tier-MC's
You could also do it accountwide, favoring the whales with many lands in one account.

Could set up different points for different tasks, like quests, science, minting, fuel/element production, level up's (or total level), could even implement efficiency.

But yea, from the little info we have and if you wana speculate...

• it looks like it could be 1 single leaderboard.
• Points could be gathered with production and levels.
  (But that 1 sentence could also be just marketing buzz without any design-related meaning)

[twin sequoia]

Also, lower tiers could have multipliers to even them. But I don´t think so, as leaderboard should reward money spent.

[hardy brook]

Another option could be to have two ways to burn fuel. One for rewards and one for revenue. Since rewards are likely more lucrative right now T4 owners will likely compete for rewards leaving more revenue share for the smaller plots

[radiant sky]

Could be.

I myself wasn't too fan of a leaderboard for the current state Zero is in, it's too static and lacks features for it.
Imo Leaderboards should either reflect competitive gameplay or here in web3 money spending on a regular basis so company can justify giving out rewards as a metric to increase revenue.

Zero doesn't fullfill both of them, so i guess it's more of a nice give back from labs to landholders.
I guess there are enough reasons in the past and maybe soon coming to justify giving back a little.
(One can argue the distribution would need to be flatter then 🙂 )

[rotund forum]

What is clear is that if it were only fuelcount over your account, 1% of fuel is about 3,50$, so if you have 2% you are in the top 50 automatically. That is 7$ of fuel, whilst you would win 1 ILV which is about 15$ now I think. But yes, it would be a bit unfair to lower tiers, you´d need 10-20 T1 to compete with a T4. Let alone megacities. On the other hand, these are the people that dropped the most $$$ so it would also be understandable if they just went pure fuelcount. Also maybe people will scoop up more lands, increasing demand, just to be in that leaderboard. We´ll see what happens soon.

[pure fable]

what efficiency do I need for my fuel converters on a T1 to have maximum passive generation?

[rotund forum]

I think it is 150% on any tier

[livid nebula]

Fuel burn keeps failing

Also are actions in megacities super laggy for anyone else? I have to wait like a minute between plot changes. Moving structures takes forever with spinny wheel between each move.

[prisma trout]

@radiant sky
I feel this will highly favor the higher tiers and money spent. That said, I feel those if us with T1 and no money to spend will not even be thought of in this reward equation. I still play each day no matter the prize ahead...if there is any at this point.

[radiant sky]

can you elaborate?
Like, do you get an errorcode or what exactly is happening?

[radiant sky]

Ya, this is unfortunately happening i believe for everyone.

[livid nebula]

It just says failed when trying to burn 1K of each. When I do 100 of each I have ~50% chance of successfully burning

[radiant sky]

As mentioned above, no details have been leaked really, except how many ranks are paid with how much ilv

[prisma trout]

@radiant sky
Thank you doc S😎

[radiant sky]

Are you sure you have enough fuel in your storages?
Never read of a failed burn before.
I would recommend sending an ingame bug report, so the Team can look into your data.

[livid nebula]

Yeah, I have more than enough 🙂

[radiant sky]

weird.
Out of curiosity, have you tried on both, mobile and desktop client?

[livid nebula]

Just desktop - I'll try mobile

[radiant sky]

let me know if it works there

[livid nebula]

Failed on mobile as well

[radiant sky]

hmm...
Unfortunately i don't know a solution to that and would recommend sending the ingame bug-report.

What i personally would try to do but unlikely to fix the problem is

• Check internet stability
• Login fresh everywhere and clear browserdata before loging in again (passport/google account/game-client)
• Reinstall the game

[livid nebula]

I sent the in-game bug report and cleared the cache, but I am still having the issue. I'll try a reinstall

[radiant sky]

i would try it... nothing to loose

[livid nebula]

Craps always off with my account - I was one of the megacitys locked out for months, and yesterday my aut-drone runs were showing errors and not adding to the bounty board, but the illuvials were being added to my collection and the fuel was being deducted. Not sure why I'm always an edge case

Still failing - welp, I'm off to do anything else.

[radiant sky]

That's super unfortunate
Maybe others are affected aswell, but didn't notice yet because they are filling up their storages and never burned fuel yet.

[neon gulch]

hello

sir

Can we get rewards if we completed the daily quest in illuvium-zero?

[radiant sky]

just the elements you see ingame.

[neon gulch]

ok sir

|Thanks for the info!

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/boss-gatsby-cheers-leonardo-di-caprio-great-gatsby-gif-17147450

[dull loom]

Can we get gas from here for overworld yet or not really? Also can free players do the gas as well or not really?

[iron laurel]

You now burn your fuel in Zero by clicking on the top right fuel and putting in how much you want to burn. Once a week your allocation will show up in your rewards. You can then claim the fuel.
F2P plots do not get paid for the fuel.

[dull loom]

Sorry do you mean by get paid? They don't get rewards or can't use the fuel in Over World you mean?

[iron laurel]

Yes that is what I mean, there is no monetary reward to playing a free to play plot.

[dull loom]

Ok was not sure. How much do plots cost?

[iron laurel]

Depends which tier you want. I think the floor price right now is about $50 for a T1.

[dull loom]

Would a T1 land be worth getting though?

where would I go to find one?

[iron laurel]

I can't tell you whether it is worth it as I have never developed a T1.

Go to the main Illivium site. Then Illuvidex then Zero then trading.

[dull loom]

Ok thanks

[iron laurel]

You're welcome. I do know that T1 takes a lot of time before you get much production. The higher the tier the easier to play but of course also more expensive.

[dull loom]

Yeah true thank you for the information & help

[rose thicket]

I just want to make sure nobody missed this. I concur.

[fossil galleon]

Maybe you’re not so much an edge case. I’ve had the ADR issue you describe since week 2 (have submitted info/video to support). My IZ is OK though. 🤷

[frank marsh]

I have a tier 2 land and I'm getting a message saying that it's a free to play practice plot I can't use the fuel in other games. Has anyone else had this issue?

It's not letting me pull up my land it's just giving me a free test one

[iron laurel]

Do you have your land on a hardware wallet and is that linked with your Illuvium account?

[frank marsh]

No I have it in my metamask

[iron laurel]

Hmmm...I'm not sure then. It shows up in your Passport account when you go to your profile?

Through Illuvium website I mean.

[frank marsh]

Yes it does

[iron laurel]

Contact support and let them know. That is weird.

[frank marsh]

Ok I did. I'll see what they say. Thanks

[iron laurel]

Sorry I was no help. Hope you get an answer soon.

[frank marsh]

Is anyone making any money with the game yet?

[iron laurel]

Zero? Not a lot. Until there are more players and therefore more revenue we aren't going to see much.

[frank marsh]

Makes sense. Hopefully soon they figure something out

[radiant sky]

if your land is on a secondary wallet and not on passport, did you link your 2nd wallet properly on the illuvidex?

[vivid cipher]

https://illuvium.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/10406704244495-How-to-add-an-External-Wallet-to-your-Passport-Account

[frank marsh]

It's saying that the wallet in trying to transfer in from already has the land in it

[prisma trout]

@dull loom
I have a T1 and it's irritatingly slow to develop unless you buy many speed up coins to make things go a bit faster. It would be worth spending the extra dollars, if you can, to go with a higher tier

[vivid cipher]

Ok. Adding that wallet as a secondary wallet should not involve transferring the land nft. It will just let your passport account and the games read the wallet content.

[frank marsh]

Does it matter what region your land is in? Mine is in crystal shores which says coming soon when I go to overlord

[iron laurel]

No, all regions are available in Illuvium Zero.

[frank marsh]

Got it figured out somehow. Thank you!

[frank marsh]

Have any of y'all been buying more land? It's obviously down a lot from where I minted was thinking about scooping up some higher tier stuff if I could be worth it in the long run

[frank marsh]

After playing here for a few hours it looks like it's extremely time consuming to make a very little amount of fuel which is the only thing worth money or did I miss something!? 🤦🤦

[iron laurel]

It is time consuming. Until we have a lot of players you won't see much revenue. You can also make Blueprints to make skins. So far these aren't worth a lot either, again we need more demand.
Prices of plots are low because of that.

[gleaming sigil]

How will the zero leaderboard will work, how do I get points?

[iron laurel]

We don't know yet.

[tardy falcon]

Zero LB Announcement tomorrow?

[radiant sky]

it is especially time consuming in the early game.
It gets fine with time in mid/late game, when when structures need more time to lvl up and ressources have a higher production time.
As soon as you are done with building up your plot, it takes like 2 mins a day to harvest everything.

[native gyro]

How is the mega city building going? Can it be done with two plots beside each other?

[radiant sky]

?zero-megacity

[lethal wyvern]

What are megacities in Illuvium: Zero?

Megacities allow adjacent plots that make up a 2x2 or 3x3 square to be combined to form one larger plot.

The expected benefits of a mega-city are:

• the ability to share landmark bonuses between plots,
• the ability to share resources between plots with no transfer cost (in either time or resources)
• the ability to share support buildings like the Engineering Lab resulting in increased available space.

Megacities are not currently available in Illuvium: Zero and a specific date for their implementation has not been announced.

[radiant sky]

Can ignore last sentence, Megacities are live and functioning.

[molten cave]

how many armors and drones skins have for each illuvial?

[radiant sky]

check pins

[molten cave]

dam, that means i got all from that one, scanning for nothing some days, gonna be carefull from tomorrow on

[twin sequoia]

@whole spear we already have the new version of IZ, but not yet annonuced xD

[patent zealot]

Doing right now, was waiting for couple of confirmations.

Done. 👍

[stable minnow]

Noice, leaderboards confirmed

[molten cave]

@patent zealot would be nice have an advertise of useless scan of armor / drone if you have found all of them

[slate merlin]

Am I missing something, or is this leaderboard only for Tier 4 and Tier 3 plots? Tier 1 and Tier 2 plots produce less by design, so landowners with those tiers cannot compete if the only metric is Fuel or Elements production.

[lost walrus]

I guess players who only have tier 1 land does not need to bother or do we

[lost walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/great-minds-think-alike-high-five-amy-poehler-seth-meyers-gif-15682977

[radiant sky]

it's account wide... a single t4 won't bring you up in top rankings i guess.

[lost walrus]

so as with everything lately only for active whales

but is logic I guess

they tried the overall approach and it did not work

[pearl marten]

Do elements that don't fit in storages count for points?

[twin sequoia]

They should, as it is also produced

I was seeing the new LB button, but didn´t want to check before farming all plots. Now I cannot check if fuel produced by converters is taken into account

Umm, could it be active since last thursday? Too much points I think.

It was supposed that leveleing was also taken into account :(. I had prepared my plots for it too

[pearl marten]

Even so if you don't hold a lot of plots (and high tier ones) don't bother
I saw someone having 170k+ points... for 150k you would have to harvest 75billion elements LOL... yet another great design

[twin sequoia]

Only #37, I hoped I had a bit better rating 😢

[pearl marten]

I don't remember the production of T4s but i wonder how many T4 do you need to get to those number

[uneven pulsar]

do yiy see leaderboard?

[twin sequoia]

ingame

[unborn osprey]

Is leaderboards basically who has higher tier plots is better ranked?

[pine kestrel]

Which one of you is the real Achilles?

[slate merlin]

As far as I can tell, yes. My Tier 1 and Tier 2 plots cannot produce enough fuel or elements to touch the numbers of Tier 3 or Tier 4 plots.

[flint compass]

How do you change your profile picture? When I try to do it, nothing shows available.

[twin sequoia]

Including casual players, are we more than we though? I think these points are since last thursday

[twin sequoia]

@patent zealot any idea? Probably in the profile but not yet implemented

[flint compass]

I was curious because I see others with a profile picture.

[patent zealot]

Can you try clicking on the default icon?

[patent zealot]

Interesting scenario.

Currently no, your plot balance should be updated - not fitting resources are ignored.

[twin sequoia]

Could be ok for fuel but, for elements too? I will check tomorrow but then T4 would not have so much advantage, as they will easily top their storage if not continually minting

[pearl marten]

Actually currently yes they count

[patent zealot]

Yea, the backend was deployed some time on Thursday and we were testing/ getting the app reviewed before releasing.

[twin sequoia]

Do yo know if/what production from converters is counted? Only passive, passive and overpdoduction or all production?

[patent zealot]

Yes, production from conversion, passive generation and extraction is counted.

[pearl marten]

Really couldn't you guys got to a better way of doing this leaderboard? or it was intended only for whales and those with dozens of plots? (just on top of my head - some points for finding a blueprint, for a fact, for a successful scan, for leveling up etc ) - there can be more fun ways to engage all land holders into this

[twin sequoia]

LB usually are for people who spend money and to encourage people to spend money. So nothing new. There are always room for very active people, but first places are always for money (and never pay)

I have 14 active plots at the moment and will try to enter top 20 (and may be finally buy a T4)

[pearl marten]

Even so .. the more plots you would have the more chances of getting points (whales included) - but it would give the opportunity for players that hold fewer/lower plots to have a chance... like finding a t5s3 high tier blueprints- make it 1000 points ... it's low probability but it's there

[twin sequoia]

Science was never included in the picture

[pearl marten]

Anyways ... it doesn't matter .. i was just saying there were ways to make it more engaging and fun for everyone

[twin sequoia]

yes, but I´m afraid that it is not intended for that

And top 20 is impossible for me, may be top 30 😢

#1 "only" owns 6xT4, 7xT3, 11xT2 and 12xT1. Quite proud of my efficiency 🤣

[mortal spruce]

Im top 100 😉 with 1x T4 1x T3 and 2x T2

[twin sequoia]

Yes, T4 is essential for top 20

[mortal spruce]

You Must have a illuvitar, than you can change it in your Profile

[serene iris]

Is over production counted? So when you collect from a source even tho you have reached a storage cap?

[harsh dew]

Good question

[rancid turret]

I still don't have the leader board button yet I'm on android

[harsh dew]

On pc

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[thick trail]

Hi here,

Is there a chance for weekly reward with a T1 Land?

[harsh dew]

I hope the leaderboard for ILZ will have Tier leaderboard 1-2-3-4-5
Otherwise, it's all about big boys

[thick trail]

Good talk!

[harsh dew]

Will be more wise and equitable for everyone.

[thick trail]

I would like to buy my first Land

[harsh dew]

Could be based on the basic % productions
So those who manage to buy Megacity will more likely to be on top of their tier category

[thick trail]

But if T1 is impossible, it is useless to buy it

[radiant sky]

T5 might be a bit early 😄
I guess it would also mean splitting the rewards
And as Long as points are counted account-wide it wouldn't Change too much, still whales AT the forefront.

[harsh dew]

Yeah, but if you code it, you code it for all at once 😄

Just not enable in the reward pool.

Those T5 Burning Fuels will me a Tsunami for Landowners when they start

[twin sequoia]

If!

[harsh dew]

LF ? Looking for ?

[twin sequoia]

Not LF, IF, if they start some day xD

[harsh dew]

Yeah!

IIP 👀

[twin sequoia]

That day there would be tens of thousand of players already, so wouldn´t mind much I think

[harsh dew]

It's +900% compared to a T1 land. The impact it could be calculed.

No iip spoon ?

[twin sequoia]

Yes, it always refers to base production, that is a T1

[radiant sky]

Naah...
If they wana sell them, there needs to be revenue.
Otherwhise they just giving it away for almost free

And most likely they would need to Finish the landmark Feature first anyways 😄

[tardy falcon]

Morning all

So it's a backend update?

[pine kestrel]

No, it needs to be downloaded. At least, that's how it works on my PC.

Hello

[tardy falcon]

Oh shit ok... it's not giving me an option to update on epic store yet

Oh nevermind it is updated

I see the LB in game

[uneven pulsar]

looks like work with bugs

question about overproduction don't give points - doesb;t work

and what about used goals?

[radiant sky]

Can we make overproduction count?
Otherwhise you forcing weird behaviour Like Recycling and rebuilding the Same Buildings over and over to empty Element storages and/or give science plots an edge

[stray reef]

So we waited months for an IZ update and the only thing they came up with is the most simple and boring leaderboard I have every seen. How can it take months to add up fuel/element numbers and show them in a table? I thought we get at least a little more complex logic behind the leaderboard.

[radiant sky]

Zero Development is on Pause since a while.
The leaderboard implementation was an exception

[stray reef]

Then don't give out rewards for a game that is not developed anymore. I thought the DAO is done with wasting ILV for nothing.

[rose thicket]

got vilv? vote drspoon

[stray reef]

Yes. I already voted. Don't worry. This madness has to stop

[rose thicket]

have you reached out to everybody you know with vilv?

[stray reef]

Kieran said IZ has 5k DAU. And the rewards are only for Top 50. So basically the Top 50 landholder of ~5k players are getting the rewards every week while nobody else is able to enter this group without a significant investment into a game that is not developed anymore. I don't see how this is any useful

[radiant sky]

I wasn't too eager for a leaderboard on Zero either.
But i guess it's implement more for giving back something for the rough Times Landholder went through

[radiant sky]

In theory it could incentivize whales to buy more Lands, which would increase floor prices.
But rewards might be too low for that...

[stray reef]

How many landholders? Only 1% (Based on Top 50 of ~5k players)

[stray reef]

"But rewards might be too low for that..."

Exactly this

Just a waste of ILV at this point

[radiant sky]

I assume that was a very simple calculation.
Half the rewards than the other leaderboards so half the Players paid out

[keen maple]

Hi, can someone explain to me what happens when one chooses to burn fuel? Does it give rewards of any kind?

[stray reef]

Even if the numbers are not 100% right it is definitely not "giving back something for the rough Times Landholder went through".

[radiant sky]

You get a share of the 5% revenue Zero gets

[keen maple]

5% revenue of what timeline?

[radiant sky]

Weekly pay outs

[radiant sky]

If that was the reason for the leaderboard i don't think it's wrong prioritizing whales.
The Distribution could be flatter i guess

[stray reef]

Me neither. I could not see a way were rewards are "fair" for everyone because of the design of IZ. But I thought maybe I did miss something. Maybe they came up with some good quest designs, maybe the rewards are tiered like the land. Why even give out rewards if it does not encourage people to play the game?

[stray reef]

I just think rewards are only good if they bring in more players/revenue. I just don't see this here. Maybe I am wrong. But it could even lead to less players playing and land prizes dump again if whales don't buy up everything

[fleet ridge]

y I hoped there would be special quests or something, so everyone can participate, but this seems very strange. it does not encourage to play the game and all big players just get all the rewards anyway

[stray reef]

I thought the times were over where the DAO throws out money for nothing

[radiant sky]

I think in the case of Zero and it's current state, a leaderboard should more increase value than incentivize gameplay.
We have the revenue Split/science which should incentivize to Log in an Click Click Click everyday

[stray reef]

I hope you are right. And I hope it works out like this. But I don't see that yet

[fleet ridge]

If you just want to donate more money to the whales you could have just raised the 5%. I see no reason to give Illuvium rewards for fuel production

[radiant sky]

With current token price and the reward size probably not 😔
But who knows 🤞

[real dawn]

When converting crypton to solon for example, does that count towards the leaderboard points? I hope not 😄

[stray reef]

But the thing is there is no revenue yet 😛

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[worn bridge]

How many biodata are there in total?

[fleet ridge]

@radiant sky Do I not even have to collect my fuel to get points? I already have points without doing anything?

[radiant sky]

Check pins

[radiant sky]

I think leaderboard started earlier in the backend

We just haven't Seen it

[fleet ridge]

ok but top 100 seems pretty impossible then without having a lot plots. A "normal" player can not do anything to get any more points, right? So I just do the same as usual and basically do not participate in the leaderboard?

[rose thicket]

@proven wharf sent DM to get your input on an ILZ matter

[iron bay]

What contributes to the Zero leaderboard points?

[radiant sky]

Check pins

[radiant sky]

Idk yet tbh...
Have to have a Look t it when i'm home.
But yea, unlikely to get in the LB if you for example just own 1 t1

[worn bridge]

Oh nice, just got my 130th today. Rhamphyre, surprise surprise.

[mortal spruce]

I have 60 now, Long way to Go 😎

[hardy brook]

Ah so I've no chance with these rewards. Least now I know 😅

[mortal mural]

what rank do we need to be for some reward?

[hardy brook]

Top 50 isn't it?

[mortal mural]

i dont know i havent read any of it yet.

[mortal mural]

oh wow is that per month?

[hardy brook]

Per week I believe

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-oh-ohboy-gif-18483789

i hope i make the cut. i dont think i will though lol

[hardy brook]

Those that do should do every week so it's easy money. Not very inspiring for the rest of us though

[mortal mural]

surely not very competitive.

[tardy falcon]

Idk... got me thinking about getting another land

[hardy brook]

They should have raffled this ILV off imo. Same Idea just give us raffle tickets. Least give everyone a fair clack at winning something

[tardy falcon]

@ocean helm are u daonlybbqhero?

[fierce pollen]

rank 1 has 228,000 pts! woah. their plot must be rammed with fuel converters?

[tardy falcon]

They prob have several t4s or multiple megacities

[fierce pollen]

is passive earning on converters the play here?

[fierce pollen]

oh yeah makes sense

[dusk siren]

6 T4s
7 T3s
11 T2s
12 T1s

roughly 20k investment at current floorprice, 800$ monthly lb reward, not too bad actually. Certainly considering #3 has similar reward but half of the investment

(not considering megacities)

sweep incoming or just dorment whales waking up? Only time will tell

[iron laurel]

Where are you guys seeing the ranks?

[dusk siren]

the shiny button on the top left in game

[radiant sky]

roughly....
6 cheapest t4 are already 22k roughly

[dusk siren]

yeah price is steep and he probably paid way more than that. There's also people that added land at the bottom below (t4 < 1k)

[quiet hare]

If I transfer my land to another wallet, will I lose all the progress?

[radiant sky]

buildings and level stays.
everything else gets wiped.

If you link your 2nd wallet (the wallet where you wana transfer your lands to) in the illuvidex, everything should stay as far as i know... dind't test it myself tho.

[iron laurel]

Oh my, I am low. I may need to spend some more time in Zero. My poor land is getting neglected apparently.

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/grind-grinding-daily-computer-email-gif-873221933340242589

[iron laurel]

I will do something on it as I wait for my Leviathan game to start.👷‍♀️

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-mandalorian-i-have-spoken-baby-yoda-gif-24159898

[radiant sky]

leaderboard might wake up some whales aswell.
could look totally different next week

[celest wagon]

the top 20 where to buy all the land on the market😱

[quiet hare]

So the leaderboard is pay to win?

T1 dont have any chance of competing?

[dusk siren]

What did you expect?

[quiet hare]

what was the lowest price for a T4?

T3 are still cheap

[jaunty rain]

what is the basiscalculation to gain points?

fuel production?

or saved fuel?

[radiant sky]

check pins

[jaunty rain]

got it, thanks:
1 point per 1 Fuel produced
1 point per 500,000 Elements produced

hehe. nice points @ leaderboard

[uneven pulsar]

calculation is broken there

[lost walrus]

I would love they did not give any money lol

and just use it to grow the game

[rose thicket]

they are doing it so your incentivized to flip more land...they get paid 3% realtor fee every time you swap.

[iron bay]

When you take into account that a single t4 land gives about 7k fuel each week... having close to 228k fuel is ridiculously high

[uneven pulsar]

@radiant sky We didn't receive any information on the overproduction and use goals with resourses?

[iron bay]

Personally I'd like the leaderboard to be based off of something other than fuel -- it is too much of a double dip when you include it with the fuel rev dis

... like base it purely on goals and rewrite the goals to a weekly structure

[radiant sky]

goals are not mentioned, but they are not production so i assume they don't count, like the plants
Overproduction was answered here:
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[radiant sky]

a single t4 should give you a lot more than 7k a week.

probably more than double that amount

[iron bay]

Then my maxxed out plot is broken

[radiant sky]

i don't have the numbers for a t4 single plot.
But my MC t4 produces roughly 2.8k in 24h and mc doesn't give you thaat much of a boost compared to a single plot

i guess if you have a mid range layout you should at least push 2k in 24h

if maxxed out structures

[uneven pulsar]

but i have 7t4 and i will reproduce almost 2k from each and don't understand how you can be higer then i)

something strange)

[iron bay]

This is what one of my standard fuel extractors looks like.. anything off on it?

[uneven pulsar]

the 1st - up your time in delivery - 11% is to low

2nd - show you mqp pls

[iron bay]

I mean, how would you increase the time reduction beyond roads?

[uneven pulsar]

every bulding increase % - you need more power station

[iron bay]

So if I fill in every bit with power stations, it will increase it?

[uneven pulsar]

every bulding increase

you need to do like this

[uneven pulsar]

your lamd mark hyperion ypu need to do min 11 convector hyperion and use silon and crypto for this convectros

hyperion convector has 180%

other only 150

[iron bay]

Gotcha

Thanks!

[radiant sky]

you need converters, ser 🙂

[radiant sky]

there might be a bug.
I would watch tomorrow before harvesting how many points you have and check after harvesting how many additional points you got.
if it's doesn't fit, i would recommend creating a bug report.
(i will do the same)

[uneven pulsar]

yeap thx bro

[radiant sky]

with 7t4 and active gameplay you should be in top 3 i would assume

this week... next week might look different if some whales awake and start clicking every day 😄

[uneven pulsar]

I think no))

20-30$ it's not big money

I click coz i love play game

[minor pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/not-the-hero-we-deserve-hero-we-need-batman-dark-knight-dark-knight-rises-gif-7953172252442202896

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-mandalorian-i-have-spoken-baby-yoda-gif-24159898

[radiant sky]

apparently someone checked rank1 wallet...

so i guess easy top 3 with good layouts and active gameplay

[fierce pollen]

yeah not a bad ROI based on current prices. Hindsight is a b*tch, i spent 16 eth minting my T4 during landsale lol. guna take years to re coup those funds 💀

[twin sequoia]

I was first!!!

[real ice]

those total rank points where comes from? how to know what is makes rise level point?

[mortal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/tiger-king-finances-recovering-ruined-money-gif-3010668295717914484

[tardy falcon]

I squeezed in a few more converters and made sure all extractors are active and repeating

[opal thistle]

All activities give you points, gather resources, fuel

[rotund forum]

Research? That wasn’t mentioned before, no? So minting blueprints etc counts?

[opal thistle]

No, no research......my bad just corrected it

[rotund forum]

Would be cool though

Maybe someday

[opal thistle]

Definitely......I just got a Dualeph blueprint

[rose thicket]

@dim nebula reaching out cause I noticed your listed on the ILZ leaderboard and wanted to check to see if you have voted in the imc election yet?

[rotund forum]

it is a pity, I was researching nicely but tbh the blueprints are not in high demand, so I stopped when the fuelburn came along and started focussing more on that. Makes even more sense now with the leaderboard, but I do hope when it is up and running they will not make it purely fuel (and well element) based.

[radiant sky]

check pins

[rose thicket]

@dusk siren by chance have you voted in the imc?

[timber canopy]

I wanted to know if they were going to add the daily and weekly quest back into the leader board some how? it might give some of the players without multiple t4 lands a chance to make top 50 other wise its all pay to win as far as I can see. mind you I have like 6 lands but they are t2.. anyway I play for the love of the game not I feel like looking at the leader board these people with 80K plus will be hard to even come close to with my 6 lands lol so I do not even have a reason to try...

[twin sequoia]

No, at least in the short or mid term. LB are not play to win. And I don´t think that having 4 T4 to win 3-10ILV in a week is "to win". It is just for people that want to pay to have his name in a table...

[torpid relic]

Anyone have a work around for when you click upgrade and it just doesn't do it? It keeps happening. Closing the app and re opening used to work, but it hasn't been the last few times. It'll let me upgrade others or remove plants but certain buildings it won't.

You see the button is selected multiple times and nothing?

[serene iris]

@patent zealot

Why is rank 3 missing? Also there are 2x rank 17s

[opal thistle]

Please report in-game

[serene iris]

I dont think I can take attach a screenshot with zero, but no worries

[opal thistle]

No worries just type it. I'm doing it too. Good spot thanks a lot 👍

[prisma trout]

@timber canopy
I feel you. I have a single T1 & am just playing same as you. I have too much time on my hands. There is no way for me to even come close to getting on the leaderboard...lol

[stiff skiff]

Hi, how do you earn points for the leaderboard?

[stiff skiff]

Thanks so much

[warm sedge]

Was there some kind of initial calculation for the points? Just got on to collect for the first time since the update and I've got 9000ish without collecting anything.

[rotund forum]

so that means I need to trim those trees as well from now on 🤓

[rotund forum]

ok one less job to do 👍

[lost walrus]

few whales against nobody, nice earnings I guess 🙂

at least give the tier 1 holders some ingame fuel to use. Do some math but for example if you reach a total of 1000 points you get 5 fuel and 5000 points 10 fuel. This way tier 1 holders have some incentive to play

[near wadi]

This is a test table, it is not displayed correctly, next week should show the true picture of things. There will be many more Whales there )))

[stable minnow]

Even if it's a test, it's unfortunately how it will work. There is a whale factor in all the leaderboards (outside of Arena, I believe), but at least in Overworld there's some team building and luck involved that can boost you in.

Zero leader rewards will purely be about active land whales.

[lost walrus]

lets hope they change it or add some extra stuff

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1371501781577633862

[willow torrent]

I do it because I love the challenge of a builder game with no end game. its like simcity 2000 but easier.

[broken roost]

How does having a leaderboard for zero make any sense?

Such a waste..

[rose thicket]

Labs Realty company likes those 3% commissions on land swaps?

[iron laurel]

Have you guys found Rai-lee armor BP?
I have researched it so many times. It's the last of the T1 S3 I need and the game just will not give it to me. I had an easier time with the T5 S3.

[rotund forum]

Zoom out a bit. It was always an investors game. So leaderboard may incentify people to buy more lands to hit the leaderboard = higher demand = higher prices. For the overall economy it will be a good thing so it is in all our interest. (Also it was always common sense if you invest 500$ in a T1 you are not going to make fortunes).

[rotund forum]

Not sure but maybe shared second spot. It only mentions 181k. Not the full amount. Maybe they just take into consideration the total amount of k fuel

[blazing ferry]

@patent zealot Why aren't you guys fixing goal rewards?

Every time you release something new without fixing this, it puts those of us with bugged plots at a major disadvantage

[broken roost]

Do you think investors are feeling incentivized by that investment/return ratio? Think of how much land you'd need to be top 20. Out of 20.000 plots available. Now think how much you are potentially going to earn

[rotund forum]

for investors from day 1 maybe not, but for new investors... that is new money. Again, you got to think out of the box a bit. If you mine bitcoin you might be doing it at a loss, but if that bitcoin is worth x10 in 5 years, then it makes sense. And even the existing whales, they like to be number 1, so yeah, that might also be a factor. Bottom line is it will do more good than bad. We will see.

and even for existing day 1 whales, they will be more active if there is a reason to do so.

[thick trail]

Hi, What is the most important thing on a T1 Land?

I aimed for a Solon + ? trenches

Or buying a much better T2? 🤔

[rotund forum]

if you can afford it T2 is more pleasant to play. T1 takes forever and even then output is little.

[broken roost]

Dude top 20 is like 0.3% assuming there are 6000 landowners

Do you have any clue how much you need to buy to be there? And play, and hope game and revenue withstand, etc etc, all for a 2 ilv a week

Yeah I'm sure investors will be thrilled

[radiant sky]

how much to be there?

[rotund forum]

thrilled probably not, but an investor usually diversifies, so they are quite accustomed to getting some lesser results in their portfolio every now and then. They also typically have quite a lot of patience, these things can take years to actually flourish. I see the leaderboard as an improvement for the ecosystem. It will need probably some twitching along the way but it is a work in progress.

[plucky temple]

Where and when do we see the results of the fuel we've burned?

[rotund forum]

and I don´t think there are 6000 landowners, 6000 wallets maybe, but it´s possible.

[radiant sky]

every week

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/rewards

[rotund forum]

the cycle is once a week, I think ending every thursday? You can look on illuvidex under zero - rewards and claim the fuel you burned in either ingame fuel for overworld or eth

[plucky temple]

thank you i had over 7000 in fuel to claim.

[broken roost]

Too much

[broken roost]

I mean I hope you are right, but I strongly disagree that this will attract any investor. To me it just seems like throwing away ilv that could be used way better

[rose thicket]

make all of it up on dex fees…one more plot sale pays for the week…and they are the central bank for ilv…printing is coming. I would make a few more tiers and up the weekly ante to match arena/OW as not to piss off the landholders

[broken roost]

I have been pissed for 4-5 years now and counting

And this dumb shit like a zero or beyond leaderboard just pisses me more. Jesus Christ why would someone make a leaderboard for something that doesn't involve skill

It screams ponzi

[dusty sky]

how did you guys earn this pts? lmao

[dusty sky]

haha teach me senpai

[rotund reef]

Need to make a ticket for something very minor. I just don't see where to go for it

And if anyone DMs me, I will kill them, don't worry 😆

[vivid cipher]

In the game. Under settings.

[strange pivot]

Where can u see zero leaderboard?

[low river]

I have to agree on this. Zero leaderboards is just a waste of resources, they should use those resources to make zero a real game like clash of clans.

[tardy falcon]

Clearly I am biased... but it makes sense to have rewards across the entire ecosystem... Zero included. I am happy they finally have rewards for Zero... it's not even equal to the other games... it's half. So already not a lot. I appreciate it though and it made me pick up another land and buy some credits. So I think it is helpful to further stir up some zero activity.

Kieran already stated there's not going to be any development for Zero this year. So I suggest we take the rewards and be grateful.

[manic gyro]

i think the hard part to take about the rewards is that i cant effort T2 T3 or T4 land and have 3 T1 plots that i bought about 3 years ago at a much higher price that they are now and i still work on every day and there is no way i will every get an rewards as they are just not producing enough. i was hoping that the rewards where going to be by tier, by this i mean i would be up against other that have a t1 which in my option would make zero more competitive.

[serene iris]

There had been a lot of land sales in the last 48 hours! I dont know how long it will keep up, but that's all fees for the Dow

It has so far had a positive effect on land sales.

[stiff skiff]

I think it's a great idea! Because the T1s are godforsaken

[serene iris]

There seems to be a lot of this sentiment t1 and t2 can't compete. It's sad everyone having an emotional reaction to this without working shit out first

I didn't want to say anything as I think I might be 1 of very few who have worked this out, and I can probably hit top 10 on the leaderboard if nobody else works it out

T1 and T2 plots are currently the highest scoring plots on the leaderboard on a cost per plot to score basis.

Why? Because you can convert fuel and score points for it.

If your converters are 150% efficiency you just constantly run your converters you get a tonne of points.

All plots can fit the same amount of converters and T1s can arguably fit more than a t4 for a fraction of the price.

All you got to do is rotate your fuel and if you are at 150% efficiency you loose nothing.

If you still don't make the leaderboards well what where you expecting? Make the top 5 with 3 plots?

[tardy falcon]

That would be cool yep… but prob more complicated since rewards are account based across all games.

If it were plot based that might be a problem with one person getting 20 lands on the leaderboard… so makes sense it would be cumulative per account.

[tardy falcon]

Yep, that’s what I do

[serene iris]

I suspect you could buy 5x T1 plots and smoke every single t4 plot holders leaderboard score for a fraction of the cost.

Its really more about number of plots than it is about plot tiers if you want to hit the leaderboards

[uneven pulsar]

bro i think there some bugs

[stiff skiff]

I didn't know that conversion also counts on the classic... It doesn't make sense, you make a trade you don't generate anything because you have to participate in the ranking?.. It's not fair

[serene iris]

The conversion counts.... dont know why it wouldn't be fair when every plot has access to the same converters. With a tiny bonus for t4s set up to take advantage of the relics.

[tulip perch]

why does a weekly leader board reset every 24hrs or is there a typo/erro somwhere on the zero leaderboard page

[manic gyro]

another way would be to only count 1 plot per wallet so you make that one plots the most efficient you can to get the most points, and naturally you would earn the best way to set up all your plots

[manic gyro]

The main point here is that we are trying to get more new people playing zero and if a new player can buy a plot of land and get on the leaderboard they will be more likely to play overworld and beyond

[rotund forum]

That is not a bad idea actually. But for the time being like MegaDaddyRatty said Zero development is on the backburner. I do hope when things pick up eventually they will put more developers on it to implement other features.

[rotund forum]

Maybe I am wrong but you seem to be forgetting the 400% production boost a T4 has?

And the 6 fuel sites instead of 1?

[serene iris]

There is no boost for converters. If you have converters at 180% they get an extra 15 fuel.

You do make extra of the extractors, but there is almost no difference when you are just cycling your fuel with converters.

A T1 plot for $50 can fit 18-21 150% converters

A T4 plot for $2500 can fit the same. You could buy 10 T1s and score higher on the leaderboard than a t4.

The T4 would generate more fuel, but the T1s would score higher on the leaderboard

[rotund forum]

Btw one bug that really bugs me is if you play on different devices, even 2 different pc’s the game forgets the auto repeat. So it must be stored locally but it always seems to cancel it when you switch.

[serene iris]

I've had the same issue

[radiant sky]

yea, that is in since launch.
And the reason why i don't play on mobile 😄

[serene iris]

.... You need mobile to play while 💩

[rotund forum]

I need my morning cafe to grasp this 😵. If fuel is 1 point and you say T4 will have more fuel obviously how is it that a couple of T1 get more points.

[serene iris]

You get 1 point per fuel converted as well not just extracted

[rotund forum]

And then there is that 🤭.

[radiant sky]

converters convert 75 fuel not depending on tier, thats 75points.
now if you convert 75 crypton into solon and 75 solon into crypton on a t1 you generated 0 fuel but got 150 points for the leaderboard.

[serene iris]

Conversion is pretty much the same efficiency on t1 as t4

[rotund forum]

Ahhhh got it

[serene iris]

Dr spoon gets it.... now I prolly won't catch him on the leaderboard 🤣

[rotund forum]

That would explain the player number 1, who apparently has quite a lot of t1 and t2 (and a handful of t3/4).

[serene iris]

I will hammer it next week see what is possible

[radiant sky]

in theory you should be able to get roughly 32k points with 1x t1 in 7 days (without path bonus and just with fuel)... so drach'nyen is right, with current leaderboard you could stack 10t1 and easy rank1.
But i expect the points to change massively following weeks, with people rearranging plots and start converting like hell.

[rotund forum]

Yes he is so nice, I shared him my secret idea as well yesterday 😝

[radiant sky]

😄

[rotund forum]

I also think at this point to scoop up T1’s has that risk to it, that it will change before it goes live

[serene iris]

I think rewards start next cycle?

Is that right @radiant sky or is it not official yet

[radiant sky]

it was said to be so, yes

[serene iris]

They could totally change the scoring system

[rotund forum]

It said 4-6 weeks I think

[radiant sky]

changes are always possible.

[serene iris]

Probably should give blueprints points to IMHO

But probably to complicated

[radiant sky]

i guess i was wrong @serene iris

[serene iris]

Oh, must be soon then.

Would make sense to start it with a new weekly cycle

[rotund forum]

ah no, that was from announcement made in beginning of april. Just ignore me 🙈

[radiant sky]

ya, starting with a new cycle makes sense.

[rotund forum]

thing is if you buy a T1 and it is not build up it will take 8 months or so to do so? Well... now there are credits and extra workers so it could be a lot sooner but it will cost you either time or money.

[serene iris]

Yep... and to be fair I was pretty slack with my own t1, I think a lot of people didn't really bother developing them

Now it's actually worth it

[worthy grail]

Hello
There was token ILV in my account before, but now there is zero balance and no transactions have been made. How do you think I can solve the problem?
Thank you

[pure fable]

I cannot log in to illuvium zero because the verification emails of the passport do not arrive. Anyone had this problem before?

pls ban awildbeast0481 aka xany, he tried to scam me:

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[harsh dew]

Report it here #🚨❗〕report-scammers

[rose thicket]

Exactly what these LB are about...introduce the yield carrot and collect fees.

@patent zealot @minor pagoda if the data reflects more fees from landsales why not double down by 2x the pool to match the other games (must less insulting to landholders) and add more tiers so more incentive for various people to buy land. The math is good trust me! <@&814435151307866142>

[vivid cipher]

Is this still happening? Sometimes there’s something weird that blocks them for a short time

[pure fable]

still can't login

but maybe my email provider is the problem, I will contact them

maybe they block

for some reason

[vivid cipher]

Possibly. You can contact support if needed

[lethal wyvern]

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[pure fable]

thanks, I tried with immutable support for now, but will try illuvium support if needed

[vivid cipher]

Imx Support should be the better option anyway

[foggy sage]

feels good im using the money from zero to play world

JK lol

[tardy falcon]

Hate that… I have a dedicated zero device because of it. Otherwise you have to check the toggle BEFORE claiming resources

[rotund forum]

yeah I think I am going to have to use my old laptop for that as well. I don´t think this will be fixed anytime soon, so in the meantime dust off that oldtimer.

Anyone have an idea just how many fuelconverters you can fit into a T1? I remember someone having like 30-ish.

at full efficiency I mean, not the 50% ones thrown on a pile 😅

[tardy falcon]

full efficiency? 23-25

[radiant sky]

more like 20ish

[tardy falcon]

I was looking at my t2... it has 23
Could prob make close to that on a t1 no?

[radiant sky]

i assume so

i would need to rebuild, running 26/27 but not on full efficiency

[tardy falcon]

Oh wait... if it's in a MC it's easier cuz no nexus needed

[radiant sky]

25 would be impressive and would let me rethink my layouts.

[tardy falcon]

Singular plot prob 20

maybe 21/22

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/a-little-bit-michael-che-saturday-night-live-lil-bit-a-bit-gif-24583307

[tardy falcon]

😅

[foggy sage]

where do i go again to collect my eth from my fuel

[rotund forum]

Ok thanks guys.

[vagrant heron]

Sooo can you spam credits on resources to buy the points on leaderboard basically?

[radiant sky]

Ya

[vagrant heron]

https://tenor.com/view/money-rain-cash-money-smile-gif-16281054

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/wallet-gif-25866507

[fierce pollen]

Does converting fuel count towards points?

[tardy falcon]

Ofc

[wraith garnet]

Whats the convertion rate if I burn for example 1000 fuel to my account from my lands

Is it 1 for 1?

[tardy falcon]

Depends on illuvium revenue for the week

Rewards for burning fuel are tied to revenue
5% of total illuvium revenue is allocated for Zero
Every Zero player gets a share of that 5% based on how much fuel they burn

If there is not much revenue then there will not be much for Zero players
If there is a lot of revenue then Zero players will do well

So basically... it's viariable

[serene iris]

Anyone else points nit going up since the weekly leaderboard reset?

[serene iris]

Seems to be a pretty long delay on points updating... might be a lot of people updating plots at this time

[plucky oyster]

Is there anything I should know before playing i zero

[vivid cipher]

You can see how it works for free. Only need to own a land plot nft to make things integrate with the other games

[fierce pollen]

Okay so maybe worth building 12 of each converter and just auto convert each fuel. Hyperion into crypton into Solon into Hyperion. Infinite loop. Would be no real benefit for in game as conversion is 1:1 unless you get landmark or very good positioning to boost production % (which is very unlikely due to having 36 fuel converters).

[tardy falcon]

U ain’t gonna get 12 of each on a plot converting 1:1

Maybe 7 of each

[lime pier]

Is there a point to leaderboards at all for Zero for the people who have no chance of getting the top 50?

[serene iris]

You still get a share of the 5% illuvium revenue

[keen maple]

Can we find the leaderboard in-game?

[radiant sky]

click that button to see the leaderboard ingame

[vocal oracle]

When I buy a plot, so I can start getting fuel, is there a specific fuel I need to get to be able to use it in Overworld

[keen maple]

Ah gotcha, thanks!

[lime pier]

That’s from burning fuel though isn’t it, nothing to do with leaderboards?

[hardy brook]

Revenue should be higher this time right? What with wave 4 starting on the 20th

[radiant sky]

you can NOT transfer fuel to overworld anymore.

You can however "burn" fuel to get a share of the 5% revenue Zero gets.
This is paid out in weekly cycles and you can claim those rewards as unified-fuel or ETH.

[radiant sky]

yes

[lime pier]

Thanks. So leaderboards are no use at all to most people. Seems like a missed opportunity.

[vocal oracle]

Ohh ok thank you

[radiant sky]

i guess many landholders assume that 😄

[rose thicket]

needs reform and a proposal to change. it seems like the "team" gave this about 2 minutes of thought

[thick trail]

How can I find a Megacity Land? If i click on the map, I don't know that it is listed or not, so wasting time to check one-by-one if it is listed or not.

I would like to find 2 Lands next to each other

[serene iris]

This would be really great if they streamlined that process, it's pretty hard to track down owners!

[thick trail]

Some have "unlisted" and some have "view details", but when you click you see that it is unlisted too. 😄

[uneven pulsar]

@radiant sky you are cheater)

good perfomance

[radiant sky]

haven't rebuilt yet. 😄
as soon as everything is confirmed there will be a little bit more

[uneven pulsar]

yeap i did some rebyuild too

but need time a little bit

[radiant sky]

noice

[uneven pulsar]

i don't wanna sell scanners))

[radiant sky]

i won't need really time.
Just have to recycle some converters and replace them with powerstations

[radiant sky]

i know that feeling 😄

but just sold 2 yesterday to build more databanks

[uneven pulsar]

banks for what?

[radiant sky]

saving blueprint data

[uneven pulsar]

ahah))

[uneven pulsar]

you want to nint blue and sell?

[radiant sky]

still have some science plots... and databanks are super low in storage.
considering deleting science just because of that tbh

[serene iris]

I think you will prolly catch me Mr spoon, thinkni got a head start on you

[radiant sky]

idk... probably not...

[uneven pulsar]

but 5-10 the same rewards)

its pity

[radiant sky]

i would have loved to get somewhat of a collection of the first set.
Just to have them in case they might be worth something in future.
but that databanks....

[uneven pulsar]

do you know how to quiq way to find my lands on the maps?

[radiant sky]

on the dex?

[uneven pulsar]

on the map)

[radiant sky]

fastest is probably via your profile and then click the land nft to open:

[pine kestrel]

0,58 ETH?..

[lethal valley]

hi guys, am i doing ok with my land? what do i do next?
blueprints, fuel, or combination of both?
and do u guys have examples of full built lnds similar to mine?

[pine kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-elmo-fall-faint-gif-15938063

[radiant sky]

won it in a kieran trivia 😄
but ya... those times were other prices.

[radiant sky]

connecting the buildings with paths grants your productive structures a time bonus, so they produce faster.
The more buildings you connected with each other, the higher the path-bonus.

What you build for is your own preference.

[serene iris]

This only works if its on your passport wallet.... cant tell you how frustrating it is to find them if they are on metamask

[radiant sky]

ya, that's true

should be able to search the coordinates on the dex
but dunno how well it works, haven't done it for a while.

[serene iris]

I was trying to find owners of nearby lands using the coordinates.... its not good

[thick trail]

Yes, cordinates and plot ID don't work

At least on Illuvidex, maybe on Tokentrove

Yes, TT can handle the cordinates

[real ice]

must to increase to Top 100 rewarded top50 only with massive land plots rewarded

[radiant sky]

make sure to write an ingame feedback-report 🙂

there's also a feedback-thread:

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1371501781577633862

[thick trail]

Yeah, would mean more ETH for Illuvium, if lowers the leaderboard for Top 100

(more people would buy lands)

or whales will buy more lands for themself to earn more 🥲

[lethal valley]

any examples of fully built lands?

[radiant sky]

some old example i found

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[lethal valley]

why so many power staions?

[radiant sky]

powerstations are needed to increase the efficience of your structures. (and power) 🙂

[uneven pulsar]

I don't understand how did you do it

really

[uneven pulsar]

Did you buy 7 t4?)

[radiant sky]

no
The tier isn't really significant, but rather the amount of plots you own.

[uneven pulsar]

I don't understand how did you do it 33k

[radiant sky]

converters mainly

[uneven pulsar]

i did the same today

18k

but not 33k

[radiant sky]

already harvested them twice

[uneven pulsar]

ok but its too much)

[radiant sky]

never counted my total amount of converters... but could roughly be right

[uneven pulsar]

I use only 12 180%

[radiant sky]

in total?

[uneven pulsar]

yeap

[radiant sky]

ah, so 12 each plot

[uneven pulsar]

yeap

12 max for landmark

hyper

i can more but then will eaarm less

[radiant sky]

idk... might can squeeze a couple more in, at least if you delete science.

i have just in my 2x2 MC 78 converter and i think arround 75 of them are converting actively.

[uneven pulsar]

with 180%?

[radiant sky]

no, 41 with 180%

rest is converting back with 150%, so i keep somewhat of a balance

[uneven pulsar]

but how 41 if y have only 1t4?

[radiant sky]

it's in the megacity.
landmark bonus spreads over all plots integrated in a megacity

[uneven pulsar]

and 300%?

[radiant sky]

that is just per plot so basically just on my t4 area, but active fuel-conversion doesn't benefit from the Tier boost... it's the same on all tiers.

[lethal valley]

but isnt it better to build more converters than power stations?

[radiant sky]

finding that balance is kinda the play of the game 🙃

now with the leaderboard, you might wana get higher efficiency, so you can actively convert without a loss.

[lethal valley]

what leaderboard?

[radiant sky]

click that button

and check pins in here

currently testing.
There will be an announcement when rewards get implemented.

[lethal valley]

i dont have that button 😐

[radiant sky]

if you playing on iOS, you might have to update manually in the appstore

[lethal valley]

im on pc on windows

[radiant sky]

ok
you might have manual update activated in your epic launcher settings.
Try clicking on library and then you should have a small update button right below the Game

[radiant sky]

here the announcement for the update:

#📣〕announcements message

[lethal valley]

it says produced fuel matters, not efficiency.... no?
if you build 3 converters at 50% efficiency dont you produce the same amount of fuel as 1 converter with like... 5 power stations around it?

i think im missig something here... ive been absent too much 😄

[radiant sky]

if you have max efficiency you can also convert

[lethal valley]

OH
ok makes sense now

what about the paths? do they need to be a straight line or i can build 1 path for the whole land?

also what about these spots in the corners, why dont they have structures built?

[radiant sky]

not sure i understand the question completely.
Path's have the unique feature that the more structures you have connected the higher the path bonus for those connected structures.
every 10 structures you get an additional 1% up to 20%

[radiant sky]

shouldn't you know that? 😅

[lethal valley]

but the path can have any shape, right?

[radiant sky]

idk why you didn't build stuff there 😄

[lethal valley]

i should? 😄

[radiant sky]

well it's always a square...

[lethal valley]

no thats from the lands you showed me

[radiant sky]

ah... lol

well there's a structure limit of 202 structures on nexus 9.
so depending on what structures you build, you might have some leftover space you can't use because of the structure limitation.

[lethal valley]

oh interesting ok

so this land for example. what bonus does it have?

or if its an easier question, why is the path built like this here?

[radiant sky]

not really eager to count the buildings, but i assume either 19% or 20%.
you might not see it everywhere excellent, but looks like it is 1 big path connecting pretty much all structures.

[lethal valley]

okidoki, thank u ^^

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/boss-gatsby-cheers-leonardo-di-caprio-great-gatsby-gif-17147450

[solid cove]

Please tell me where I can get the current version of illuvium zero in the apk file to install on my phone without using the marketplace?

[radiant sky]

not sure that's still possible.
@whole spear do we have somewhere the apk file to download?

[whole spear]

hmmmmmmmm

i dont think so...

It appears no

we dont have a way to get you the APK

[whole spear]

Why cant you access the MP?

[unborn pilot]

I'm just curious- what value does land currently offer? Like is the trading activity on lands purely speculative at this point?

I'm wondering if I should keep or sell mine

[solid cove]

I have a country sanction restriction in the marketplace, so I want to bypass it by installing directly from the apk, this is a huge problem in the community, since with the PC version, VPS helps, but on the phone, the marketplace puts additional barriers

[solid cove]

Are you serious, that is, I can get the apk image from IZ using third-party software, but the team of developers who upload it to the market with each update cannot? This is funny😁 😂

[whole spear]

Sorry m8 we don't build or upload an apk file

[solid cove]

Publicly providing the apk file to the community could demonstrate a step towards the community from the developers, since I understand that not everything depends on them with these sanctions barriers, but we are here to build a better community with good player-developer relations.

[whole spear]

We are already strapped in terms of resources, so releasing and maintaining another build for Zero that only a couple people use (like the Mac Epic Games Builds) I dont think personally makes much sense right now, maybe something in the future with more resoucres.

[solid cove]

Then with each update in the Google Play market, true magic happens)

[solid cove]

We are talking about the Android build, which, as strange as it may seem to you, is updated on time in the market)

[whole spear]

Yes I know

[solid cove]

@radiant sky and do you think the system of converting fuel 75 to 75 with receiving additional leaderboard points is fair? Sounds like a clear flaw in the counting system, since the amount of fuel does not change at all

[radiant sky]

it might have been implemented to push low tiers.

[silk karma]

the f2p plot gives points for the lb or only nft ones?

[patent zealot]

Only NFT plots.

[radiant sky]

since Zero is clearly built with an investment core, one could argue that high investment should mirror in the leaderboard.
meaning High tier should have obvious benefits.
That clearly is decreased since tier bost doesn't affect the conversion numbers of a converter.

[solid cove]

this only helps the owners of the megacity)

[radiant sky]

megacities have their usual benefits, i don't think you could argue that they are the great benefitters of that.
I would say it helps massively the low tier whales.... the more plots the more converters.

[solid cove]

I would agree with you about the number of plots if we could drop fuel between our plots, and since each plot is locked in its own fuel storage, it is obvious that the only benefit here is for the megacity

[radiant sky]

why would fuel transfer from plot to plot be needed?
Why do you think megacities benefit from that?

[solid cove]

megacities benefit solely from more space for buildings without losing the bonus conversion percentage

[radiant sky]

yea, but that's the typical bonus megacities just have.

people usually paid premium for that

[serene iris]

I've done the maths this is correct, even more so if you take into account the cost per plot of low tier land to points scored via converters

[serene iris]

20 converters on a t1 make the same amount of leadervoard points ad 20 converters on a t4 for a fraction of the cost!

Assuming you can be bothered running lots of t1 lands that is the most cost effective way to win the leaderboards

[tardy falcon]

there's also the cost of maxing out a t1 land

and time

[rotund forum]

You could get lucky and buy a pre build up T1. I don’t know if there is actually a way to see if it is build up upfront somehow if you buy on illuvidex?

[tardy falcon]

there's not... I gambled and bought a t4. Was semi built but have to finish it... was like 25% done

better to go onto zero dex and find ppl with built plots

prob worth the upcharge

[rotund forum]

And why T4 now? I take it you’re not going for the leaderboard? 😅. Also fuel selling not worth it, the only thing it excels in is blueprints, if you are a collector.

Or maybe the “free” overworld runs, buying unified fuel

It is such a pity there is not a bigger userbase, we could all be making a nice buck and having fun playing.

[tardy falcon]

will slowly try to make another megacity

[rotund forum]

Imagine being in top 50 zero while 1 ilv was 1800$ 🙈 every week 🤪

[serene iris]

T4 beats everything in the time/output category

[rotund forum]

Yeah, if time is a factor it is the obvious winner. But man, t1 has devaluated relatively a lot more than T4, you can now buy like 40 T1 for the price of a T4. You’d go insane, true… and probably need carpel tunnel surgery within a year 😝

[random siren]

How will t1 compete against t3 and t4 on the leaderboard?

wont we get crushed?

would the only strat be to save up for weeks and then sale all and hope it gets us on the lb

[tardy falcon]

Zero LB is based on resources farmed
A t1 can convert the same or more than a t4 because of more space. But that's all theory... I'd like to hear from someone playing 30 t1 that's up at the top

[radiant sky]

That's nice, Bad Part is done and the chill part is coming. And t4 are built up pretty fast, especially fuel focused

[radiant sky]

I don't have 30T1... But i shouldn't be in top 20 AT all 😄

[torpid relic]

I think my power station to converter ratio is way off. Tried too hard to max efficiency

I can't upgrade any of my converters, so I'm stuck until I build more

[hazy jewel]

Ranked starts today ?

[hazy jewel]

why?

[rotund forum]

because the converters don´t get applied the 400% bonus a T4 has, it is the same, plus a T1 has more room for optimized converters. That is the theory at least 😅

[radiant sky]

leaderboard is live, but rewards are not in yet.
There should be an #📣〕announcements coming when rewards go live.

[harsh dew]

Excluding stripe payment, which seems to be the biggest part

[hazy jewel]

i got a t3 and a t1: converters generate more passive and more convertion in t3, i suppose t4 is better

[radiant sky]

passive conversion gets the usual tier-multiplier for production.
Active conversion does not.

[hazy jewel]

But active conversion grants point ?

[radiant sky]

yes

[hazy jewel]

And under wich astral conjunction we were supposed to know it?

Thanks to know anyway

[tardy falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/tokimeki-sendenbu-kanamin-oracle-gif-19800713

[radiant sky]

#📣〕announcements message

[old viper]

Where do I go to claim ETH for burnt fuel?

I vaguely remember seeing it before, but have just spent 30 minutes looking for it without any luck.

It should be easy and intuitive to find.

[radiant sky]

The "my rewards" section in your Profile on the illuvidex

[old viper]

Thank you! I see it now. That's really not an intuitive/ideal place for it.

[radiant sky]

I think it's not too Bad, you have everything about you gathered there in a couple tabs.
Where would you prefer to have it? ( Besides ingame)

[old viper]

I naturally thought it would be viewable somewhere after I clicked on my profile.

If you just go to the main illuvium io website and click on profile, it's not there

[iron bay]

What is the max path bonus you folks have seen on plots?

[iron bay]

Also, I said this before, but I'll say it again - These leaderboard metrics feel like a double dip with the fuel production bonus. It would probably be much more fair across ALL tier lands if the points were based upon goal attainment instead of Element/Fuel produced. Goals would have to be reworked of course though but could be based on the many things that can be done in the land of Illuvium Zero.

[radiant sky]

20% is max

[radiant sky]

Currently can't Make it about ingame Goals, half my plots are bugged and don't get any Goals 😄

In General, i guess it depends what kind of leaderboard should be done, one for the more "competitive" side or one which is p2w, basically reward Accounts with high Tiers and/or high amount of plots?

[iron bay]

Yeah, the goals in current state aren't useful - but reworked intentionally, I think there is some good options. Anyways I added feedback to the feedback thread on this. Thanks!

[low ridge]

hi, i bought a 1 tier 1 land and 1 tier 2 land and i burned 2800 fuel before the snapshot and all i got was 0.21$ i'm missing something? or is this normal

[radiant sky]

Keep in mind tho, that developement for Zero is currently paused, and everything that gets done there slows down gauntlet/mmo-lite.

[tardy falcon]

I wouldn’t mind 4 different leaderboards for each tier and make it based on plots.

But… rewards for each tier would have to ratio equivalent to the tier.

So: If 100 Ilv
Then:
t1 - 5 Ilv shared
T2 - 10 Ilv shared
T3 - 15 Ilv shared
T4 - 70 Ilv shared

This still wouldn’t be attractive to t1/t2 holders I think

[radiant sky]

What you get is dependent on revenue, and how Big your share is of the total fuel burned in zero

[iron laurel]

I think rewards should be done like the raffle tickets for Gauntlet. Everyone gets a chance but those who produce more get a bigger chance. It is a way of not only rewarding those who have spent the most but it also encourages new players and lower tier players to play.

[celest wagon]

It should offer a better fuel bonus so we can do some overworld travel 'currently it's ridiculous

[tardy falcon]

I wanna agree but… gauntlet is literally free. Lands are not. So I can’t really agree with rng even if it’s weighted.

But I would like a competitive system that rewards skilled play… but that might require more dev than is available rn

[iron laurel]

That's a good point for sure. How about if both were offered, similar to Guantlet. That way you would have your top players who have spent the money and done the time getting the most AND a chance at the raffle while other players would still have a reason to sign on and play.

[tardy falcon]

There’s no easy solution

ADR/OW LB all requires buying fuel… no raffle there.

If they really want to make land attractive they should allow plot to account transfer so ppl can actually play the game with their own fuel.

Otherwise, I think the current system isn’t bad… but isn’t great either.

[tranquil notch]

You could scale the points like the bonus in the opposite way , to make an equal value. And give 200 ilv to 200 people. It's the only game where it really was revenue. Like 72 million ? People with multiple Land still would get more, but then the share is bigger. But then the people who paid much will not be happy. It's difficult to make all happy. But right now casual don't have any chance only whale's.

[iron laurel]

I think OW should have a raffle too. I don't think ADR should because I think that raffles are a way of rewarding time played.

[iron laurel]

At least it is whales who play that are getting it and not just whales. I have a city and I am not on the leaderboard because I didn't focus on fuel production. I made enough to get my skins and then slacked off. I am paying for that now.😂

[hazy jewel]

Exactly: produced, not converted

i mean it's ok but it could be more clear: now i understand how ppl got 80k points

[cerulean kettle]

I know there has been a lot of frustration with ILV land holders, and rightfully so. Wanted to share at least something positive for me at least. It’s taken me this entire time but I’ve finally got all Bio Data. It took this long since I was grinding them out on a T2 plot.

Was able to get all bio data up to Tier 3 for T1 plots, since Tier 3 is pushing the cost on fuel production to mint them.

[junior abyss]

interesting, I was thinking about getting enough eth in order to buy a T1 plot of land because I saw that the Free-to-play plots won't count towards getting on the leader board at all

not sure if a T1 plot is worth it though

[rose thicket]

congrats! nice desktop wallpaper. hope the vQ225 team can make this ecosystem healthy enough that it will be worth more than that for you.

[junior abyss]

Anyone know if they are ever going to add the shop to the PC version?

[low ridge]

no no i get that is just that i wanted buy a tier 3 for 600$ but if all i get is 0.5$ then no ty

[harsh dew]

If $0.5 a week = RIO of 4.33%... so 26 years to get back 100%

The demand in fuel wont be the same true time

[rotund forum]

I don’t know, team is pretty much reduced afaik. But if you need to buy coins on pc you can install an emulator like bluestacks and install the android version within that on your computer. I would only use it for the coins because the actual pc version will run more smoothly.

[junior abyss]

I mostly play zero from the actual pc version, but then again if coins are the only thing in that shop it doesn't bother me. Right now I only use the free to play plot since I can't afford a real plot yet

[spiral turtle]

How does one change the icon on your leaderboard?

[tardy falcon]

go to illuvidex... find a bomb ass illuvitar from the marketplace if you don't have one yet. Then select it as your PFP

[iron laurel]

Played Zero on my phone. Forgot how fast it sucks up battery life and why I quit playing it on there.

[subtle frost]

hi guys..

[random siren]

Hey I saw you asking questions on how to get on the leaderboard. Here is a link explaining https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-zero-patch-notes-1-6-0

[iron bay]

It works really well on the PC in an Andriod emulator. Yes I know there's a PC version, but you can buy things with the android version.

[iron laurel]

Interesting. I normally play it on my PC in the morning and then my tablet at night. It's good to know I can use an Android emulator for the PC. One reason I ended up on my phone this morning was to check on buying credits.

[subtle frost]

Oh okay 1 point per fuel made

And 1 point for every 500,000 carbon silicon and hydrogen made

Got it simple

[spiral turtle]

I'm not sure why but I have tons of Illuvials but they're not showing up in the Illuvidex.

[tardy falcon]

you prob have the wrong wallet selected

[spiral turtle]

I think I figured it out. For some reason when im in the Marketplace and I choos eowned by me nothing shows up. But if I go to my Album option they are all there

I have 304 of them I bought way back when they first came out but ive neglected this aspect of the game.. Anyways thanks

Ok so reason is since I have none for sale clicking owned by me will populate illuvials that I have for sale. ALSO owned by me

[iron laurel]

Yes, if you unclick the buy now button and click owned by me all of yours will show up there.🙂

[lyric lodge]

how is the ranking decied for zero rewards ? Is it just fuel collected , is there any infor on this

than ks

[radiant sky]

check pins

[foggy sage]

Its not save ur money

[junior abyss]

what's the lowest tier plot that you would recommend saving up for then?

[foggy sage]

Tier 3 but honestly dont even think ur ever gonna be able to repay what you spent on a land

You probably won't get much funding for your overworld runs with that fuel, either.

I would only buy land with the idea and goal in mind that you want to pay the most money ever for a basic sim city

[inland shore]

have leaderboards rewards started based on the new point system

[indigo coral]

could just burn fuel for raffle tickets e.g. or consider burned fuel for them

[sage echo]

Hi

[radiant sky]

Hi

[sage echo]

I'm Chinese

I come from China

[radiant sky]

?welcome

[lethal wyvern]

Welcome Survivor!

If you're looking for a place to start, you'll find everything you need in the #🔗〕helpful-links and #814084157713940482 sections. From quick overviews to in-depth information, these channels have it all.

Additionally, keep up to date by checking out these channels in the Discord:
#✍〕rules
#📣〕announcements
#❓〕faq
#🚰〕leaks

[sage echo]

？

What?

[radiant sky]

Welcome 🙂

[sage echo]

？？？？

[hearty cradle]

ni hao

welcome

[vestal needle]

any one want to buy lands ?

[harsh dew]

#🛒〕land-dex maybe try ?

[iron laurel]

That would work for OW. Each time you burn fuel on a run you get raffle tickets.

[sage echo]

What?

[wicked horizon]

How do you earn points for zero leaderboard

[harsh dew]

https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-zero-patch-notes-1-6-0

[wicked horizon]

Much appreciated

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/scott-pilgrim-vs-the-world-scott-pilgrim-micheal-cera-hi-hello-gif-6467920905604702609

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/neckbeard-discord-mod-1337-gif-10821096711630950559

but i'm not dead last 😄

[true steeple]

how the point really working on Illuvium zero leaderbord

i see people make 200.000

how it really working

@radiant sky

do you mind to explain me

[radiant sky]

check pins

[true steeple]

thank you

omg

do you mind

to tell me how much land you have it

?

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/too-few-to-mention-quite-a-few-very-little-so-little-very-little-to-mention-gif-17182273

[true steeple]

🙂

thank you

[harsh dew]

Arena today average rating

got 920 points, how it's possible...compare to others

[radiant sky]

can have many reasons... but likely you just need to start converting

[harsh dew]

i'm not doing it... I found it stupid and not usefull "My opinion"

[stable minnow]

leaderboard live now?

[near wadi]

Megacity incorrectly indicates the allowed number of buildings. I can't build anything. Has anyone had this happen?

[signal maple]

it calculated based on sum of nexus when u merge

[radiant sky]

what do you mean exactly?
According to structure limits you should be able to build more structures but you can not?
If so, what happens exactly?
Are you sure it's not just lag? (megacity building mode is super laggy.)

[signal maple]

and later it will update if u upgrade ur nexus

so if u already have nexus in each plot, just upgrade it

if not then delete building until u can build a new nexus

I learn it hard way after I sell my nexus then split my MC

[near wadi]

Thanks bro, I'll try it and write about the result)

[pseudo pulsar]

What level do you need to have data banks to not run out of storage?

T-1

[near wadi]

Yes, unfortunately this is a big flaw. The plots were moved, and the Nexus is only on one. We need to wait until they do it, I hope they know about the problem. Because deleting 400 buildings is not serious.

[rotund forum]

I was wondering where you suddenly went 😅

[olive abyss]

anyone know what the going price for fuel is? How much could i get for like 200 of each fuel type?
is it worth selling for ETH?

[harsh dew]

👀

[humble wave]

Hi can anyone explain to me how to get points in Zero...

[twilit path]

Collect resources

[olive abyss]

i do i sell fuel? where is the exchange?

[tardy falcon]

nope... no more selliung fuel

no more capitalism... zero is communist now

[rose thicket]

Zero is for Gullible Degen Gamblers Only now

[tardy falcon]

I guess... but things are better now than before. I'm glad they skirted disaster with the refund at least and have switched over to a better econimic model.

I also like that they are tossing some rewards over for Zero.

To me, the ship is at least turning slowly and moving in a better direction.

I actually enjoy playing now 😄

So they are doing something right

[rose thicket]

Advocating LB rewards to at least match the other two F2P games that we all essentially funded...seems considerate enough of a request don't you think?

[tardy falcon]

Oh for sure

[rose thicket]

Who on the team is running point for the leadersboards?

[tardy falcon]

no idea... ask stuart maybe

[rose thicket]

@spice vector who is running point on the team for leaderboards?

[spice vector]

What do you wanna know/feedback?

[rose thicket]

how did we strategically arrive at a different reward level for Zero versus the other games? To me, stimulating 2 land sales per week brings it to break even, where the other two F2P leads straight to extraction. Landholders really feel disrespected, and this continues a series of decisions leading to bad sentiment amongst a few hundred of the project's closest followers.

[noble thistle]

Been away a bit, so now I can only burn my fuel to ear a share of weekly revenue and can get paid in fuel or eth?

Also, what is the weekly leaderboard for and how do you earn points?

[mossy sorrel]

You can get rewards if you're on the leaderboard, points are earned by collecting fuel and elements

[mossy sorrel]

I second this. The only game that required people to put in largest sum is getting the least amount of rewards just doesn't make sense.

[uneven pulsar]

Actually i don't understand what is complain there about leaderboard. The system the same like beyond if you have more and higher - you earn

But I agree about tickets or more place with 200 ilv will be interested

[lyric lodge]

I would love to know are BP also on bonding curves ? Doe it gets harder and harder to find bp as more get found ? Also is there an opistio BP ? Maybe @radiant sky knows ?

[lyric lodge]

Yeah 100 is not enough I have like 5 plots and can only just make it to 200 3 x 2t maxed out and 2 T1 but nothing lolz

[lost walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/someday-we-will-be-fine-emma-heesters-major-lazer-lay-your-head-on-me-itll-be-okay-gif-17831885

[mossy sorrel]

yes there are Ophisto BPs, they do get harder when more are found i believe. although that was mentioned awhile ago. not sure how they work now

[lyric lodge]

who can confirm ? @whole spear ?

[lyric lodge]

reraaly never seen one, are they the hardest to find ? Also is it even worth using a T1 as a bp farm now ?

[mossy sorrel]

they were probably the easiest to find when the bio was first discoverable... i guess they're harder now cause people farmed the crap out of it probably

[mossy sorrel]

whether it's worth it or not is entirely up to you. i don't use my T1s for BPs, not worth it for me since i have other lands with all current bios

[radiant sky]

Bonding curves got confirmed in alpha build.
never really got an answer for the Beta build, but i assume it is in.

Also from my personal experience/feeling.

[uneven pulsar]

@stable minnow check dm

[minor pagoda]

I can comment on this, although I'm not the only decision maker on a lot of these

A big part of it is "testing the waters" for a leaderboard like this, does it work technically, does the "meta" which comes to exist provide value, should we iterate more top heavy or broader etc

For the other leaderboards we had previous experiments to iterate on

To me, stimulating 2 land sales per week brings it to break even, where the other two F2P leads straight to extraction

Unsure what you mean with this honestly

[rose thicket]

Leaderboards bring competition and thus stimulate purchasing activity and possible adoption. This is why it's being introduced. If I am sitting at rank 50-60 on the LB and want to get in the money (as I am), the most likely path is to buy land. To do so, I would need to spend, say, $5,000 to make up the difference. Labs would get a cut of 3% on the transaction, at roughly 30% or approximately $45-50. This would cover 3 months of ILV rewards from the LB that I would collect, and I might brag about being the LB on X and show friends stimulating more buying. This does not currently apply to either Arena or OW; it will likely stimulate extraction for 6-18 months.

Nonetheless, this is off-putting to landholders, and I heard from lots of current/former over the last few weeks with the IMC elections. Landholders and stakers used to be highly correlated, and when one exits land, there is a HIGH correlation they exit ILV, this I can tell you with 100% confidence. The labs team needs to take a basic course in aligned incentives and customer-centric marketing.

[minor pagoda]

I hear you

Every single "customer segment" wants more rewards thrown their way, I hear the same from Arena players, Leviathan Arena "players" and OW players, even from Zero players to make the current Zero leaderboard more interesting

That said, I agree with your statement that stimulating purchasing activity (probably adoption less so, I think we're stimulating current customer base to buy more or come back, not create new) is a good downstream effect to have even though so far it hasn't been massive (see screenshot)

I don't think incentivizing Arena is extractive, but "neutral", we'll try to rectify that next "season"

OW I agree with you it being extractive

Personal take (Again I am not the only decision maker): I would funnel at least some of OW bounty hunt incentives to Zero, but after making the leaderboard system better

[radiant sky]

unfortunately a considerable amount of land gets traded otc.

[rose thicket]

@minor pagoda to make this point clearly, you literally have landholders chating with motivated buyers of land not to buy the NFTs because for the reward incentives in this very feed. this is not in the best interest of anyone, but it is transpiring. I would immediately adjust rewards to equality among the three games as the best risk/reward path at this point. I am telling you landholders/stakers are exiting the ecosystem after the IMC outcomes, this Leaderboard handling, and the total abondonment of Zero's development which feels like an incomplete building in a neighborhood due to a bankruptcy that will serve as an eye soar for residents for a decade until it final get bulldozed down.

1 landholder of 5 plots is probablly worth 10,000+ F2P user accounts in economic value.

[serene iris]

Is this chart accessible to the public?

[minor pagoda]

https://immutascan.io/address/0x9e0d99b864e1ac12565125c5a82b59adea5a09cd?tab=1&forSale=true

[serene iris]

Many thanks!

[rose thicket]

2% more centralization in 75 days.

capitulation

[harsh dew]

We are missing some data to really have a global vision, like what numbers of active players in ILZ which generate Fuels. 👀 from the 19 998 lands out there!
illuvium still own less than 10 lands, for what purpose ?

[minor pagoda]

(7840 - 7680)/7680 * 100% ~ 2%?

[harsh dew]

what matter also is the duration the land has been hold since last transfert wallet

[rose thicket]

correct...flash read 6,668...so about 10% annualized.

[radiant sky]

Can See that now with the leaderboard, AT least weekly active users. (Which are about 1340)
The 10 Lands were Set aside for marketing purposes.

[harsh dew]

What leaderboard ? the new one about the ressources productions ?
I'm ferrering to Fuel production

did I miss something?

[radiant sky]

yes.
I would assume that every account that generates elements also generates fuel since it is needed for both possible revenue streams. (excluded the insignificant small amount of totally fresh plots which are not yet generating fuel)

[harsh dew]

I see what you mean, but to me it's like only having a small part of real data which is fuel production. In my opinion there no real purpose with elements prodcutions right now.

What really matter here is Fuel production & burn those information need to be public for transparency.

i'm building API and backend coding and it's not that hard to create an endpoint and make it available on the illuvium API, just saying. I know C# has well.

[radiant sky]

Elements also generate points for leaderboard, and are needed in masses for BP minting.

Yea total fuel production you can't see anywhere, burn however you can calculate from ingame data.

[harsh dew]

yeah, need to look at it in game and individually (don't know how it's working with more than 1 lands)

[rose thicket]

great work keeping the main thing, the main thing. hope the fruits for your labor show up in due time.

[radiant sky]

not sure what you mean with individually, but fuel burned is accountwide

[harsh dew]

ok, accountwide = good for owner

[pseudo pulsar]

every blueprint minted dos that go to Overworld does that free up space on the data Bank?

[radiant sky]

if you mint a blueprint, it gets minted into the wallet your land is on.
The minting of a blueprint does not consume your blueprint-data, so it does not free up space in your data storage.

[pseudo pulsar]

@radiant sky thanks thats what i was trying ask haha

the confusion was the now the access to the data from Overworld

looks like I'll be stuck building data banks

[harsh dew]

you mean how many blueprint of each illuvials have been minted to be use in game vs on the market for sale ?

[pseudo pulsar]

@harsh dew yeah I was kind of stuck on permanent locations of data

not knowing if it transferred freed space and then allowed for more storage

[harsh dew]

What do you mean ? What is the context of your sentence ?

[pseudo pulsar]

@harsh dew I was looking at the technical of the data storage mainly

for in-game Advantage

I was thinking that I could make a new land and just put solely data storage on it and maybe rent out data storage space

[pseudo pulsar]

Both T-1 land

[radiant sky]

yes.
unfortunately data banks grant a low amount of storage.
If you want to hold the whole set1 collection on 1 land, you will need roughly 60 data banks.

[radiant sky]

you can't rent out data storage space.

[novel patrol]

hello everyone, i'm new, and i've bought a land some days ago; i need to know how i can sell fuel, can someone help me ? thanks in advance

[vivid cipher]

Fuel is not sold by land owners anymore.

You can however "burn" fuel to get a share of the 5% revenue Zero gets.
This is paid out in weekly cycles and you can claim those rewards as unified-fuel or ETH.

[novel patrol]

thanks, i already saw the "burn" function, where can i claim those rewards ?

[pseudo pulsar]

@radiant sky 60 data banks max out level ?

[radiant sky]

can claim all rewards in:
https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/rewards

[radiant sky]

yes

for the whole collection

[novel patrol]

thanks

[radiant sky]

questionable if there is enough time to gather all those tho

[pseudo pulsar]

is it possible to extract that data and store it elsewhere so I can continue to build from one land

[radiant sky]

not possible.
Blueprint/Bio-data is bound to the land, aswell as the facts.

[pseudo pulsar]

@radiant sky ok that help clear a few things up

the scarcity has to be made somewhere

[harsh dew]

Top 2 on immutable scan --> illuvium Land
filter might be related with 7 Day activity

[open stratus]

But that's only immutable X ?

Illuvium is one of the last things even on immutable X

[harsh dew]

well if it's build on immutable X, it's mean they track all data here.

[olive abyss]

What? so theres no way to actually earn anything with zero now?

I can't sell fuel anymore?

why does every NFT game nerf their assets into uselessness lol destroying people who invested early beleiving in the vision that they just changed completely

Now ive got to compete in some leaderboard nonsense that im probably outranked in anyway without dumping more money in? solid lol probably done playing

[tardy falcon]

Well… to put it bluntly - they fucked up. Their launch last June/July didn’t bring in the players or revenue that was expected/hoped… compounded by a fucked economic model fuel raced to practically free.

So they decided to drastically change the economy and decouple Zero from the ecosystem.

This decision was a blessing and a curse. It’s actually a much better system now for the game in general. But for zero it’s trash right now.

Zero won’t see any meaningful returns until illuvium starts making more revenue month over month.

So you have to ask yourself… would you rather have some hope left? Or imminent demise with the previous system?

[twin sequoia]

I think it is better for landowners now. Fuel is more expensive and probably there won´t be less sales because of it (but for what was purchased to accumulate). Before you had to sell a lot cheaper (I never sold so cheap but some little tests). I would like to get the old system when demand gets a lot higher, but we are really far away from that day. And now D1sks are bought by fuel, so let´s see what happens next week.

[lyric lodge]

thats insaine, so jusr delete the lower ones not worth much ?

[radiant sky]

idk, whatever you prefer doing 🙂

[lyric lodge]

so to get all bp you need 60 storages ?

[radiant sky]

if you wana space for all of them, yes roughly.... i think its 58 but can't remember exactly.

[pseudo pulsar]

@lyric lodge I'm rethinking a strategy I have multiple lands I'm just going to collect the collection on multiples

I have a few doubles already haha

a burn mechanism to burn off found data possibly regenerated back to fuel

[random siren]

@radiant sky when a ZERO player burns fuel they should get their portion on the revenue, correct? the leader board is gameplay rewards which differs from earning from selling aka burning fuel. Is this correct or..

Also @olive abyss you dont need to spend any money(just play) to get on leaderboard, how high you can place on the leaderboard idk

[radiant sky]

yes

• Burn = a share of 5% of the total revenue made from digital products (claimable in eth or fuel)
• Leaderboard: 100 ILV weekly for the Top 50 players. (check pins for how points can be gathered for leaderboard)

[random siren]

thank you! hope this help with any confusion @olive abyss

@radiant sky i see you in 3rd. how many lands do you have and what tier?

[radiant sky]

nono, i'm not 3rd 😄
leaderboard is a bit buggy. Somehow people vanish for some time to low ranks

[random siren]

aww. if i have 7 tier 1 plot ( 4 form a megacity) how high do you think i could get on the leaderboard? wife handles the playing of Zero but i think she is slacking lol.

[tardy falcon]

I have two 2x2 Mc and 2 Indy lands and strugglin to stay in top ten. I think 20 lands is safe for top 10

[uneven pulsar]

Mc with t4?

[uneven pulsar]

Amazing

I can't buy)

[worthy rover]

Do you think we will ever be able to delete blueprints to make more data space, similar to how we can delete biodata?

[radiant sky]

i don't know.

[serene iris]

I have 13.... and just holding on to top 10. 2 x t4 though, no mega cities unfortunately

I will say it's A LOT OF WORK managing all the converters 3 times a day. I am already feeling burnt out playing zero so much. Competing on the zero leaderboard really is not fun.

Would be much more manageable and less of a drain if they rem9ved the converter numbers

[twin sequoia]

People that go for a top spot in a LB usually don´t play because the gamplay is fun, or don´t enjoy it as much

[tacit wasp]

So whats the incentive to buy land now for illuvium zero? Does it still get you fuel? is the 5% from the revenue of fuel sales? Im trying to see the reason to buy land instead of just getting some fuel and doing a few auto runs

[twin sequoia]

You have science and the gameplay itself. About fuel, the same reasons that after the change of the fuel market. Before it, plots could fund OW runs by themselves (in different stages). Now they cannot, until fuel revenue increase at the point where the revdiv is enough for it. LB are just a plus, not enough and not designed to replace it.

[serene iris]

I see this question a lot! Why buy land? Well I don't think you should do it to compete on leaderboards or create fuel.

The main reason for buying land right now should be speculation.

Do you think land and the illuvium economy will be worth something in the future? If yes then maybe get involved.

As things stand leaderboards and fuel income is a bonus

You also have to be prepared for that investment to do very poorly.

So I saw in a recent chart that the number of wallets holding land has shrunk.... meaning there are overall less land holders atm and active zero players are buying more land.

Is there anyway we can see how many new wallets are holding land? Would be very interested to see stats on that.

@minor pagoda @vivid cipher @harsh dew

Not sure if I tagged the right people!

[harsh dew]

There a way with IMX but it's required some work to be done to implement it

[serene iris]

Outside of my skills unfortunately!

[rotund forum]

Not THAT long ago the converters were the same … 24 hour cycle minus the path bonus time. But then the supply of fuel became much greater than the demand and someone came up with that idea. I can truely say I am getting too old for this shit. With any luck I can do it twice a day but tomorrow will be zero times as we also have real lives that sometimes inhibit playing at all. Right now my laptop is wrapped in airbubble in a suitcase 😅. And no… I refuse to play on my little iphone with my fat fingers. I’ll end up deleting half the buildings 🙈

[quartz salmon]

Why are you managing converters 3 times a day? Don't they take multiple days to fill up?

[lyric hamlet]

Can I get my mint price for my lands 🙂

Been 3 years now

[tardy falcon]

no they take 6-8 hours when you active convert depending on path bonus

active convert 75--->75 get you points

[tardy falcon]

we know

cant squeeze juice out of a rock... so

[serene iris]

Converters can be run about every 6 hours if your plot is set up right.... and while they don't produce much the conversion generates leaderboard points.

Leaderboard farmers, watching every complain that there single t1 can't get on the leaderboards...

[acoustic oriole]

Hallo..., where i can get info for land price, and how to buy?

p

@random siren hallo, can u guide me, how to buy a land, and info me the price, tq bro

[iron laurel]

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/zero/lands

If you don't feel safe following the link go to the main Illuvium webpage then go to the Illuvidex, finally you want to look for Zero and trading. That will show you what plots are for sale.

[acoustic oriole]

@iron laurel tank's alot bro, i Will try

[random siren]

Just need to add eth via payments methods after making an account

Using stripe is super easy

[acoustic oriole]

@random siren thx bro

[signal maple]

I can say there are still many contents unavailable in Zero (thats why u see so many complains about current state). So if u believe the game can make to the viral point feel free to invest and honestly, dont expect u can gain anything from it for now

or even later LOL

[vivid cipher]

Not really a thing I know anything about. Immutascan tracks unique holders over time. But that’s not all the info you’d need. So I assume it would take paying for and knowing how to get the data from imx APIs.

[rotund forum]

Max would be 20% so that is more than 6 hours… you’d have to be rotating the clock, meaning IZ starts dictating your life 🙈. No thanks. Let’s assume you can stay top 10… that is 3 ILV… whose worth has been dropping pretty much constantly. Right now that would translate in about 150$ a month. Not going to sacrifice my sleep for that. Not even for 10x that.

[serene iris]

I fit 3 click fests in a day, early morning mid day and just before bed. It's not fun but it's manageable most days

[fair temple]

I remember them saying you would only have to click once a day. They made 24 hour timers accordingly. But then paths reduced timers by 17%, causing the one click per day to be every 20 hours rather than 23:30 or something close to 24 hrs. Now you are saying landholders are doing clicks every 6-8 hours? At least they could have made it 5:50 then, so you have 10 minutes respite when you set the alarm every exactly 6 hours. But even then, oof. Thats more intense than most any games 😄

[rotund forum]

Wait until some smart guy sets it every 3 hours just to reduce fuel 😝

[fair temple]

Must be a super smart guy

[serene iris]

I'm sure we could come up with a better system that is fair and less grindy, because it really isn't fun!

But given the lack of zero resources at the moment it's probably not going to happen for a while

Should definitely be addressed when they start looking at updating zero again

[fair temple]

Imagine there being a lack of Zero resources.😄

But yeah i agree. Everyone, council, team and community should get together on this when there is room to significantly improve Zero.

[atomic cove]

what do you guys think of being able to being able to collect partial fuel amounts from extractors without having to wait the full 24h?

would this be a QoL feature you would like to see introduced?

[radiant sky]

Could be cool and gives the player some flexibility.
On the other hand, current system gives the really engaged Farmers an edge.
But in any case, there's other Stuff i would work on.

[atomic cove]

yes that is true, it gives an edge to the more dedicated farmers but it would alleviate players from having to wake up in the middle of the night for 10 minutes to gather resources.

what other stuff would you like see working on? (Small things that are ez to implement)

[near wadi]

It seems to me that the big problem is in the unknown. If you have chosen the path of burning fuel, I hope it is a temporary solution. It would be a great addition to think about implementing deferred burning, I don’t know how to express it correctly. The point is that people who have decided to burn their fuel, see and get the opportunity to immediately sell (burn) their fuel, at any time. At the moment, we burn fuel focusing on the current week of sales, why not shift the focus to the previous week, where we already know the amount of fuel consumed and, accordingly, the price at which we can burn. This will add a little confidence.

[atomic cove]

hmmm I don't think it's possible to immediately sell your fuel with the current fuel system, even if the fuel burnt would relate to the previous week you would always have to wait till the end of the week to get your revdis % distributed according to the total fuel burnt.

[near wadi]

I agree, I also think this point is a bit complicated with the current distribution.. but the formula can be thought about in theory.. in any case, more information is needed for people in the public domain.. so that people understand, while new players get all the information on forums, where everyone laughs at the return of a few cents...

it would also be very nice to duplicate the leaderboard on illuvium.io, so that it would be accessible not only in game mode..

[radiant sky]

Wishlist for Small and big qol updates for Zero

• rebalance fuel output ratio from tiers.
• resolve existing bugs
• Fix lags (occuring especially in MC)
• Reverse the converting button to show the input, not the output
• Implement a gather converter passive income button similar to the the other collection buttons above the structures
• Make MC actually 1 big plot
• Provide plot information overview with info like; total element/fuel production, total converting numbers etc.
• Bring back fuel transfer to ow. Can cap it and make it simple...Basically give x-amount of stage 1,2,3 runs each cycle/month if you have y-tier. (can bring back the fuel transfer button, or really make it simple and just add it as a feature... # make zero great ~~again ~~)
• provide ingame information of science, like what is actually the chance to have a successful research if i research ophisto armor now + chances to find biodata for each tier/stage
• provide revenue information for burning fuel feature.
• max lvl converter should have a 24h ticker as the other production buildings. (and maybe grant converters the tier boost aswell, or provide reasonable reasoning why that is excluded.)
• Think about granting T3 landmark-element-boost on all elements (T3 is in a super awkward spot which basically has not really a buying audience target, maybe it will give them an edge for science that way and get some interest again)
• Reverse the science cost increase according to tier boost increase for each tier
• Implement a proper editor mode, including a benching system for structures and where one can save multiple (3?) different layouts and swap between them with a couple clicks
• increase max structure limit on nexus9 slightly, so one who focuses on fuel can use all space and not feels like he's missing out compared to science plots
• make blueprint-data destroyable, same as biodata
• plot-progress visible on dex
• Increase storage of Databanks
• rename and group the landplots

[uneven pulsar]

max lvl converter should have a 24h ticker as the other production buildings. (Stop t4 harassment 😄 ) (and maybe grant converters the tier boost aswell, or provide reasonable reasoning why that is excluded.)
100%

i wanna sleep at night)

@radiant sky for you it easy - you have tentacles a lot)

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuvium-emote-emote-illuvium-animated-emote-animated-emote-gif-13252488379238030565

[serene iris]

Absolutely nailed it! 💯

[uneven pulsar]

Add points for scanned iluvs, depending on tier and stage
Add points for minted iluvs, depending on tier and stage, and removing after that biodata for the data bank
Add tickets like in Arena

anybody scanned 5ts3 and will be in top 10 with 1t land

in this cace MC will be more estimated

[harsh dew]

Top 5 with someone testing stuff

[tardy falcon]

what u meant... test is a player

[harsh dew]

rank 5 = Test001

[tardy falcon]

right I see test everywhere

that's just probs his name

see them in arena