🎮〕illuvium-zero

[dusty agate]

I ll have to manage like

T4 is much better in terms of fuel then playing on my several t2 and t1

[solar topaz]

I also have only a few T1/T2

but I mean... I am not familiar with all those idle clicker farming games - do you need to do something all the time? It was said you need a few minutes per day...

[radiant sky]

sure, but in autobattler the impact is not as high as it would be in overworld. Would be similar to tft-little-legends, and in my rankings at least just a low % bought them, most go with the ones they get from playing the game.

[solar topaz]

after all, some of us might want to give the main game a try, too ( not to mention having a job and/or family)

[solar topaz]

they could at least implement Ironforge for people to hang out and show off their skins close up

[undone phoenix]

That might be true. In addition to this there is the collector side with crypto though, which isn’t present in TFT. And some of us might invest heavily to get the right BP’s, to match our wishes for appearance in game. 😃

[radiant sky]

Indeed, collector side is huge atm in crypto space. But that could change in future, if there are more nft's with utility the ones without will drop in price.
Idk what you mean with whisked, translator also just gave some weird words 😅

[queen folio]

I was trying to figure out the whisked part as well. I'm assuming perhaps an autocorrect error? We shall know soon though haha

[undone phoenix]

Updated 😅

[undone phoenix]

It probably will change. At the same time I expect the utility from land/Blueprints/Illuvitar to increase in the future as the games expand.

[radiant sky]

Probably

[spark ruin]

is there any date for the start of the beta?

[radiant sky]

Not yet

[spark ruin]

they told us 3 weeks after the land sell, now i have money invested that i cant use

[radiant sky]

I feel you, a lot of us are in the same boat

[spark ruin]

this game is starting to look like a joke, they cant give us dates and delay it all the time, this is not the first time they do stuff like this

[empty path]

I'm sure calling them a joke will motivate them to work on it faster 🙂

[spark ruin]

they say its a tryple A game, tryple A companies dont give false release dates

[empty path]

There was never a release date announced

[spark ruin]

they said 3 weeks after land sale, i saw it

[radiant sky]

I heared they gave out timelines, but community got to emotional when they couldn't keep them, so community want them to give no more dates

[spark ruin]

it has beed like what? 3 months?

[empty path]

That was not an official date

[elder badge]

Nobody is holding you down buddy, nothing but air and opportunity

[spark ruin]

if the person in charge said it on a youtube video/stream it is official no?

on the official channel

[empty path]

No because he didn't have all the information and that was said in a Polemos AMA, not on the official channel.

Also since then the team decided to add more stuff and Grant decided to upgrade the art

[queen folio]

They did state Illuvium Zero was almost ready at the time of the land sale and that we could possibly have it 3 weeks after the sale... but then the art team did an overhaul of all of Illuvium: Zero assets and let the community know that the 3 week time wasn't going to happen. We are going to have a nicer and more polished game to mess around with and test now because of it 🙂

While it might not seem like it to you right now, I think that would be a solid move for the project as a whole in the long run.

[spark ruin]

i understand that building games takes time but i dont think its nice to said 3 weeks and then its 3+ months, they need to be sure if the game is ready or not before telling us dates, if i knew that in september there wouldn't be a game yet i wouldn't have bought land

[elder badge]

I’m sorry my 🧠 is broken after reading your comment and trying in many ways to comprehend how you justify “investing”.

[oak solstice]

I agree for the most part but also see a counter that they could have alpha tested the systems without the visual upgrades.

[empty path]

I personally don't mind. I don't see what it changes. Having a game 3 months ago or this month. It's off chain and progress will be wiped before we go on-chain.

[elder badge]

the debate is what’s responsible for the flack on the delay imo.

[queen folio]

Yeah, understood. The team also was aware of that considering that was their initial intention, right? But we have to assume they made the changes for the good of the project and the ecosystem as a whole.

It's hard to know all of the exact factors in making a decision like that. Perhaps if they released the initial testing with the previous assets... people wouldn't like it as much... or maybe it wouldn't draw as many new people in during the testing phase compared to the having the revamped assets. Who knows?

[empty path]

Check the pinned messages, Johnny made few nice posts explaining all the progress and changes that have been made.

[elder badge]

I know and I am such a firm believer I bought another land, but the people who are saying all this stuff about the delay is imo because of the debate.

I am just trying to look at everything from everyone’s perspective is all and thinking out loud.

[oak solstice]

I also think the naming convention to web2 confused people. Anyone that has alpha tested any game before knows the graphics and systems aren't finalized when you are testing it.

[solar topaz]

I am sure no one has developed Illuvium before... would be sort of pointless, don't you think?

[queen folio]

True. Although I don't think they were talking about the game itself or the ideas behind it... rather, they probably like the idea/game (since they're here) and they're just upset they're not playing it right this moment.

I think most of us can relate to that to a certain extent.... but it will come! Patience is key 🔑

[slim harbor]

You don't think triple A titles have delays?... What planet you living on?

[hearty cradle]

Guys

Johnny is the CTO

hes the top guy

he knew what he said

he said a couple of weeks

but

[radiant sky]

@delicate inlet you are probably right. Just had in my mind, that you also need fuel for higher lvl of Buildings, stated by an illuvium official... But i can't Find that Info anymore, so maybe i just dreamed it 😄

[hearty cradle]

Grant decided to revamp the graphic

[hearty cradle]

they should call it beta

[little moon]

promised an alpha, but developed as a beta, then played like a release

[delicate inlet]

Maybe man, I watched another video about the elements and it didn't show any building needing fuels. I'm really going to be disappointed if the higher ones require fuel, but atleast T3 do have some fuel

[little moon]

iirc, you dont use fuel on iz

you use elements in iz to build structures that generate fuels for ow

[radiant sky]

I desperatly need some gameplay footage to better understand the value of a random/certain landplot

[delicate inlet]

iirc?

[little moon]

just an acronym “if i remember correctly”

[delicate inlet]

My tip of Advice after watching hundreds of land videos, is to just buy a T3(if it is in your price range) and look if it has 6 elements boosted by your landmark

[dusty agate]

It was said that alpha or beta whatever is playable internally, so think we can play it too…

[delicate inlet]

If you're patient one will come for cheap, or you can settle for one that has 5 elements boosted by your landmark, but other than that in my opinion the land isn't worth it if it doesn't have that

[radiant sky]

I just minted some Land for mc with fuel and ele landmark... Probably still the best bet after all the little Infos we got so far

[delicate inlet]

Indeed. If you don't mind letting me know, how much did you pay for the MC in dollars? Totally understand if it's a personal topic

I'm just wondering because I also want a MC, but it is super pricy

[radiant sky]

Way too much 🙃

[delicate inlet]

Haha I can imagine

[dusty agate]

Why discussing lands and their price its useless without game

[dry mango]

people like to discuss price

[delicate inlet]

To help you prepare for illuvium zero. With the right land you can get the land that is better than other to help you get blueprint

[dusty agate]

Think all lands have equal chance to get blueprint

T4 good s better then any t3 and t3 is better then any t2

[delicate inlet]

Yes, but you need to upgrade your buildings to start searching for blueprints

[delicate inlet]

Not in illuvium zero. T3 is better than T4

[dusty agate]

I am personally going to spend silv 2

[radiant sky]

And to increase Chance finding one... If i remember correctly

[delicate inlet]

If you get the right land you won't have to spend as much, in turn making you more money

[dusty agate]

Lets say if u want to generate more fuel t4 is the best

But imo paying additional 5k $

For land just to upgrade buildings fast is not smart

[delicate inlet]

Yes, but you won't need fuel in illuvium zero, so it's technically useless

[delicate inlet]

You need to upgrade the buildings to get blueprints. Then after you get blueprints, sell your T3s and buy a T4. That's what I'm going to do

I'll be back in an hour

[hearty cradle]

has the team confirmed that u can use silv2 to speed up?

[dusty agate]

Yeh i understood , but if i can use silv 2 for exampla i can buy more the 100 with the curent t3 price i can upgrade all buildings fast and collect resources in overworld and transfer those silv 2 into ilv technically

[radiant sky]

It's somewhere in the pinned messages i think

[dusty agate]

It was said its ingame currency, where else i can spend it, if not for speed up.

[hearty cradle]

overworld

for travel, cure shards and craft

[dusty agate]

There too, to collect other crafting materials.

[hearty cradle]

but we can ask the team for it tho

im sure its doable

so far we know that we can buy speed up

[dusty agate]

So if its a play to earn game and i spend silv 2 worth of 1k for example i should get at least 50% back .

[hearty cradle]

hmmmm

maybe

[radiant sky]

Maybe out of date now...

[dusty agate]

Hope so😂😂

[hearty cradle]

ru dutch?

[dusty agate]

Me ?

[hearty cradle]

or is it french

im looking at dr spoon

[mystic umbra]

Breaking news

Illuvium zero is cancelled

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/perry-funny-ill-punch-you-in-the-face-gif-13234878

oh its deutche

dr spoon ru deutche

[mystic umbra]

Ich can sprechen ein bissen deutsche

[hearty cradle]

i hope i dnt overspend on speed ups

[empty path]

Ser, are you spreading fake news?

[queen folio]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-you-chuckie-dog-murder-costume-gif-15089259

[radiant sky]

Nope i'm not

[mystic umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-really-oh-really-well-gif-7605661

[hearty cradle]

ive created a monster

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/good-evil-star-wars-emporer-palpatine-darkside-gif-4624104

[dusty agate]

Being Deutche means something?

😂😂

[hearty cradle]

just curious lol

havent heard from khaleed and johnny

i hope they are still alive

[dusty agate]

Working

[hollow shoal]

Is everyone ready for more leaks tomorrow? 😄

Praying there are some zero leaks

[mystic umbra]

Learn from the best 🤣

[empty path]

Nope

No event tomorrow 🙂

[mystic umbra]

Showcase got moved to Thursday

[hollow shoal]

Oh….sad…

[mystic umbra]

Is grant still heli snowboarding

[queen folio]

Let's hope so

[hollow shoal]

I hope they announce something on Thursday then 😄

[hearty cradle]

WHAT

[mystic umbra]

He might be the one whos dead

[hearty cradle]

ru fr

[queen folio]

#💥〕leaks-discussion message

[hearty cradle]

@whole spear how can u let grant do heli boarding??

we got a game to launch

[whole spear]

Lol

he should be ok

[empty path]

He had to do something to compensate for Karen hugging crocs

[whole spear]

whats the worst that could happen

[hearty cradle]

break his neck??

this cant be good

lord i pray to u

i almost died boarding

[hearty cradle]

i went to the wrong lift

and it turns up a double diamond

off the a clift

[marsh idol]

Bro.. sorry to say.. you are dead

[hearty cradle]

is this hell or heaven?

[marsh idol]

What you think? Lol

[dusty agate]

How long does winter season last?:))

[hearty cradle]

3 months

[hearty cradle]

i never boarded in au tbh

[dusty agate]

We wont see alpha this year 😂😂

[hearty cradle]

do we need to find a new art director?

can someone draw?

hello

[dusty agate]

Maybe who doesn t do boarding

[radiant sky]

Meanwhile grant is Like....

[hearty cradle]

We need someone whos afraid of heights

[marsh idol]

@hearty cradle this is your personal hell and the game will be perpetually coming soon

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/pray-beg-please-homer-the-simpsons-gif-15706311

this is the purgatory

[mystic umbra]

My father broke his neck while in the Air Force. The odds of the surgery working were next to none but he is a walking man today. Got into a relationship my mother because of it. Broken necks can be the biggest blessing

[hearty cradle]

[dusty agate]

And office looks like

[little moon]

If grant breaks his neck heliboarding we just slap a neuralink on him and have a cyborg mega-artist.

[mystic umbra]

Save the brain

[hearty cradle]

why cant people just do normalboarding

[mystic umbra]

Those aussies and their adrenaline rushes

[elder badge]

Someone quick bubble wrap Grant stat!

[little moon]

Nice delete 🤣

[hearty cradle]

i get my kick from degen

[dusty agate]

Still more safe then rugby. If they played rugby multiple people could broke something

[elder badge]

💨

[hearty cradle]

i do enjoy boarding tho

[mystic umbra]

Never did degen but I love gambling

[hearty cradle]

being here is gambling

[radiant sky]

No difference

[little moon]

https://tenor.com/view/whats-the-difference-eric-cartman-butters-stotch-tolkien-black-south-park-gif-22245013

[dusty agate]

Theres a poker game next weekend

[empty path]

It's the same

[hearty cradle]

where

[dusty agate]

Can invite

[hearty cradle]

lets do poker night

[mystic umbra]

In the games cord?

[hearty cradle]

small blind T1

[dusty agate]

And if we win fraggy puts her selfie

😂😂

[hearty cradle]

whoooooaaaaa

Lets gooooo

[dusty agate]

No 40$ buy in

[mystic umbra]

Why would you guys even want that 🤣 y’all weird

I’ll take the money

[hearty cradle]

no

[empty path]

You really like spreading fake news today

[hearty cradle]

we wan fraggy selfie

[dusty agate]

Wich one ?

[hearty cradle]

so how do i sign up

Have u guys played poker bong?

[radiant sky]

What's that?

[mystic umbra]

I’ve played poker and I’ve played it with a bong if this is the same thing 😅

[hearty cradle]

i cant remember

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[radiant sky]

Damn must be fun

[mystic umbra]

I sent you a friend request jag

[hearty cradle]

please dnt scame me ser

i only got gas money

[mystic umbra]

I won’t

[mystic umbra]

It’s just a link to the discord where we play poker

[hearty cradle]

like an underground server?

[hearty cradle]

kinky

let me put a lipstick on

[mystic umbra]

Well you’re not making it so underground

[hearty cradle]

secret discord

[dusty agate]

Its for gamblers

[hearty cradle]

gamblers den

[mystic umbra]

Well turn it into the new degen channel

[hearty cradle]

can someone vouch for this discord lol?

[dusty agate]

Be careful if fraggy joins you can loose all your land 😂😂

[hearty cradle]

im too afraid

[mystic umbra]

Make ojr own Nft collection

[hearty cradle]

anyone played with figment?

i dnt wanna die

[mystic umbra]

Vetemor and Fraggy are both in the server if that eases your conclusions

[empty path]

I'll give you a min to adjust / delete that

[mystic umbra]

Conscience

[empty path]

I'm not

[mystic umbra]

Oh

[hearty cradle]

wut

i almost died

[empty path]

Also please stay on topic or go #799010390201466880 / #795845536128303175

[hearty cradle]

figment started it

[mystic umbra]

No I didn’t

[hearty cradle]

yes u diiiddd

ok

land

man im so baked rn

[mystic umbra]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[hearty cradle]

Kiazo did

[mystic umbra]

I like this resolution

[hearty cradle]

fraggy i found the troll

Its kiazo

[mystic umbra]

Burn him

[dusty agate]

No i was invited, i was watching vetemor stream and found about it.

[hearty cradle]

shes trying to blame the council man

after her !

[dusty agate]

Want to get banned, will rest some

[mystic umbra]

Why are we more afraid of scorpions than lobsters.

[hearty cradle]

[desert pilot]

cause alphie doesnt do dmg while ryplance is insane

[hearty cradle]

hows the mute

that was fast

[desert pilot]

must have been a new record

https://tenor.com/view/keemstar-im-fast-as-fuck-boi-keemstar-run-running-fast-gif-18083431

[whole spear]

this looks like @wanton sparrow

[queen folio]

Hahah... actually... yeah. A little bit

[mystic umbra]

That killer keenstar

[vapid bough]

New IZ graphics and art versus old outdated IZ video on YT
The team is still finalising some of the UI and graphics, but if you compare the two, it's like night and day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZrAlOQgdpY&list=PLTxVFDfpJHrPqBeEClgcGUjHzHw6_r4kT

Click image > open original > Zoom in on this image in full res and you'll see the incredible level of details that the team has added

The team is working at full speed to give you all the best Illuvium Zero game possible.

[hollow shoal]

Thank you everyone. We can wait, but also can’t wait. 🙂

[nimble lichen]

Land lineup finalized, standing by...

[hearty cradle]

Thanks!

[thin wolf]

100% worth the wait.

[hearty cradle]

speed ups

[dusty agate]

What are these yellow coins?

[brisk stump]

Hi guys any infos on how we get the ressources on the first place to build our ressources extractors?

[junior hollow]

dont we start out with some

[brisk stump]

ok thx 🙂

[dusty agate]

Thanx 👍

[radiant sky]

If you never saw them, head over to #🚰〕leaks there are a few more of them

[mystic solstice]

any news on land beta release?

[radiant sky]

Not yet. Watch out for any News in #📣〕announcements

[humble lichen]

Fuck it, buying the Iphone 14 for this

[hollow shoal]

Smart. I may follow in your footsteps.

[dusty agate]

Dont , get T2 insteed

😂

[nimble lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/do-both-bubba-thompson-the-cowboy-way-why-not-both-each-one-gif-17822532

[deep bone]

It looks similar to “energy” from the Public Beta

[dusty agate]

Yeh something like that

And amount goes up for higher tier buildings

[jagged brook]

Wow wow wow! Game looks awesome 🤯😱🙏

[vapid bough]

@violet karma looked at the old version of Illuvium Zero, said that's dogshit we must do AAA - and so it was done. The Illuvium community deserves a great game and the team is working hard to deliver. Everyone that has bought Illuvium Land will now own the same AAA quality assets from the main game but scaled down for IZ - literally couldn't get any better.

[radiant sky]

Any news, if/when we gona get some live gameplay? Doesn't need to be high polished vid.... Rich streaming in Kukkas cave would be more than enough 🙃

[wary notch]

Any updates regarding the September goal the team has for releasing the Alpha?

[junior hollow]

i think they just had a leak

[tulip torrent]

not you think best.shoud player think best

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-dance-funny-dance-michael-scott-dance-danse-marrante-debile-gif-21385827

[finite glen]

Let’s see if we will get sth other than leaks this month🤪

[hearty cradle]

More leaks

[chrome sun]

what we need is ETA release date leaks

[lethal thunder]

Next year

[ocean hollow]

maybe you have like a drone doing the extraction manually at first... im making things up haha

[hearty cradle]

i look at my plot jpegs, and use my imagination

[nimble lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/the-shawshank-redemption-tim-robbins-morgan-freeman-stephen-king-1994-gif-23746368

[hearty cradle]

i dont get the reference

[nimble lichen]

Did you see Shawshank Redemption?

Dude survived on imagination and hope in jail for 20 years

[hearty cradle]

yea

that was the message of the movie?

i thought "sexy poster saves live"

lets ask for halycon leak gameplay next time

[nimble lichen]

well hope got him through but a plan and initiative got him out

[hearty cradle]

we gonna wait for 20 years and keep digging?

[nimble lichen]

maybe 2 since we aren't locked up

[hearty cradle]

one guy hanged himself after he got released

[nimble lichen]

yeah he lost hope

[static kayak]

do you have any update...

[slim harbor]

It is almost Wednesday my dude

[empty path]

You mean update on Illuvium zero? Aaron is going to start writing the dev blog tomorrow

[static kayak]

good news i'm wait summary update

[rotund forum]

With the leaks I have seen I totally agree, although maybe it could get just a tat better if you mirror the buildings so we can place them as we desire. Keep up the great work!

[hearty cradle]

whats on wednesday?

[empty path]

Aaron starts writing the devblog

[hearty cradle]

lets gooooooo

he'll be finish by friday?

[empty path]

No idea how long it takes him to write those and what other urgent tasks he has on his agenda

[mystic gull]

and after writing it, it's reviewed before posting

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-calculon-no-despair-raining-gif-15650620

its been a slow week

[empty path]

Oh yes, good call. That also takes a few days

[hearty cradle]

nooo

why

[mystic gull]

to ensure he's not saying something is not or it's not simple to read maybe

[empty path]

Because the mods also read it and we are too busy reading your troll posts in here

[hearty cradle]

im not a troll

https://tenor.com/view/the-avengers-marvel-jeremy-renner-clint-barton-hawkeye-gif-17148870

@vapid bough do u think we can get an update on IZ launch from the team?

[slim harbor]

That guy wanted an update 🤷😅

[deep bone]

There was a push yesterday to see a live demo before the Alpha launch - I believe the idea has already been proposed to the team

[hearty cradle]

we saw the video

[slim harbor]

I didn't I'm dumb, where vid?

[hearty cradle]

pinned

[dusty agate]

I liked the leaked videos yesterday, it means game is almost done for alpha version and maybe we can play it really soon and thats ok if team is waiting for something due to marketing purposes or any other. Theres another question, we know nothing about ingame economics like how much eth will be 1 fuel unit or other stuff thats also very interesting.

[tardy fern]

is end of september still looking achievable?

[north lily]

I swear those videos aren't new, grant already posted these weeks ago

[dusty agate]

I ve seen them too, honestly i dont care its important that they exist 😂

[mystic gull]

they didn't say they are new and not posted

[timber sapphire]

Probably not if its not announced yet

[tardy fern]

yea good call, feel like the team has been pretty quiet. If it was close they would have been more vocal imo

[vapid bough]

Official updates come in dev blog and/or #📣〕announcements

[elder badge]

GM landlords!

[spare sleet]

GM peeps! Will we see pre alpha this september? Any news on that?

[hearty cradle]

economics will come much later, we need to know the average total supply first

[dusty agate]

Is there a plan or something like that, do u have any numbers how much fuel can for example T1 produce and what will be its price in Eth. We are still going to get this info before land sale 2 it should not be a problem

[hearty cradle]

impossible to know that number without the alpha

it depends on how many people are playing

we can get good statistic and extrapolate the figure after 2 quarters maybe

[dusty agate]

So the price wont be fixed?

[hearty cradle]

it will be determined near launch

for example
T1 travel is $10
u gotta guess hw much fuel is produced by IZ and make a big assumption

because the fuel price can only go down or up by 25%

[dusty agate]

Fuel price can t change more then 25% but Eth price can change

[hearty cradle]

nah we gonna pegged it in $$$value man

[dusty agate]

Yeh so it doesn t matter when it will be determined

[hearty cradle]

kieran said it was like $10 per travel

[shrewd nova]

Where does eth go when you sell?

[hearty cradle]

depends on the market man

illuvitar was like 0.5eth

to few eths

[radiant sky]

In the Same vid he said that his finance Guy said that 10$ is Way to much

[hearty cradle]

The IIP was during the bull market

exactly

theres no point discussing about prices now

[radiant sky]

Indeed. But Fun to do it anyways 😂

[dusty agate]

I just wanted to know whats better

1 Eth 10k or 1k 😂

Like if u are paid in Eth for fuel, u earn more when eth high. Like it was for stepn for example

[hearty cradle]

yea

because the first thing people gonna ask is whats the ROI

[dusty agate]

But if price is determined on the day when eth is high and it will go down u ll be getting less

[hearty cradle]

ROI from ILV is pretty complex

Stepn and axie is pretty straight forward

[dusty agate]

Think more complex then those million illuvial synergies.

😂

[dusty agate]

Yeh they easy to understand . U are just earning until u dont loose everything 😂

[hearty cradle]

U need

• the illuvial encounter rate
• stat RNG chance
• expected winnings from ingame rewards
• expected winnings from gambling (may or may not be available)

[vapid bough]

Balancing will happen during the Alphas and Betas so the numbers are set in stone

[hearty cradle]

i bet not even the team has the answer, and thats expected

too many variables

[dusty agate]

Yeh understood

[hearty cradle]

and dnt even think about figuring out bp/skin price

i mean u can draw references from CSGO, dota2, LoL

[dusty agate]

Think whales who dont play will be selling BP. But if u are able to and craft your own NFT that will be much better

Like i ve read we can make 2 or 1000

[hearty cradle]

yea thats pretty much my goal

free skins

[dusty agate]

And if u make them rare

[hearty cradle]

at least i dnt have to pay for skins

[mystic gull]

The level of your illuvial only matter on Leviathan? The grind should payoff

[dusty agate]

Thats an appointment idea of owning land. You dont have to pay for anything ingame

[hearty cradle]

with 10k possible bp, u still need to trade tho

[hearty cradle]

• random stats matter
• level and stage matter

[mystic gull]

but only in Leviathan?

[hearty cradle]

yes

[dusty agate]

I can sell everything, from my experience cheap product are sold better 😂😂

[hearty cradle]

if we still have leviathan

doesnt look like we will have gambling tho

if thats true, kinda crumble the economics

[leaden wyvern]

WHEN ilz released only nft holders are allowed to play?

[mystic gull]

in alpha only land holders

[hearty cradle]

The whole thing is "Fight for Eth" and u can only win eth from leviathan

the ascendant arena prize is ILV

[dusty agate]

Forgot to say. I appreciate what u do @vapid bough . You are the coolest person, like the way u provide info if u are asked 🙂

[dusty agate]

Not sure if i ever win anything there. If the prize pool will be for 10k people i may get something😂

[hearty cradle]

leviathan is PvP
u wager with other player, so there is no prize pool

prize pool is ascendant arena

[dusty agate]

Its like we kill other and then skin them for eth?:))

[hearty cradle]

u got it

[dusty agate]

😂😂

[hearty cradle]

thats why it's "Fight for ETH"

[dusty agate]

Sounds good

[hearty cradle]

and the DAO gets a cut every wager

the house always win

[vapid bough]

https://tenor.com/view/well-done-good-work-kakashi-naruto-anime-gif-21617874

[dusty agate]

Like in online poker.

[devout elk]

What is Leviathan?

[mystic gull]

Polish?

[mystic gull]

#814313779696238642 message

[devout elk]

Czech

But it was a mistake. I wanted to write “what”

[mystic gull]

Ah ok, understood

[rotund forum]

I don’t know if this has changed but initially being able to bet on other players was an option.

[hearty cradle]

thats the plan

[mystic umbra]

I have a feeling it’s going to get tricky with leviathan we may not see it for a while.

[hearty cradle]

i have made my peace

[elder badge]

In all fairness we are all early af

[hearty cradle]

i hate that

i dnt wanna be early man, i wan moon moon moooooooooon

[humble lichen]

Coolest aspect of the game, hope you can still bet with NFTs instead of money

As NFTs are also in game items

[hearty cradle]

ur a genius

we can do this

@carmine ferry i think looks found a loophole

what if the NFT represent a stable coin

[elder badge]

They might just change the rules and call it a security 😂

[hearty cradle]

i know a project called dollar store kids

u can burn the nft for $1

its the first nft backed by usdc

guys i really think this can work

We wager NFTs

and call it tickets

[elder badge]

Isn’t that what immutaswap basically does?

[tulip torrent]

Land land✅

[mystic umbra]

That is genius. Create like 20 different tiers of NFTs that are just coins and you buy them and bet them on the match

[mystic umbra]

Could even do like 5 tiers and could just have multiple tickets for higher bets to stay on theme

[hearty cradle]

yea man

I think this can work

[steady vector]

Hello!
I just recently found out about Illuvium and I'm very excited about it. I have two questions that I hope you can help me with.
I understand, that tier 0 lands cannot be used as a source of revenue, therefore I suppose scanning won't work, but will I be able to harvest elements/fuels for my own usage?
Also, is there a limit on how much resource I can retrieve from my tier 1-5 lands, or the elements/fuels are in infinite supply?

[lapis gulch]

The fuel production is regulated by the DAO it will not sway more than 25% in either direction. There is no limit to the amount of fuel tokens, but the production is limited to the amount of land plots. So its inflation is capped at an unknown value at this point.

What I understand for T0 is that you'll be able to experience the whole thing, you'll just won't be able to essentially mint the fuel. i.e. having access to the balancer pool.

[stiff talon]

Hey dude welcome! Tier 0 land wont make any revenue. It's purely free to play. I guess it's purpose is to test out land or play it like a SimCity builder but you won't earn. So you can trial out land to see if it's worth it to you before purchasing, test out strategies for the land you may have purchased or even just for fun!

[opal thistle]

T0 lands are virtual and not NFTs, so you can not extract anything of value (it won't be on the block chain)
You will be able to retrieve as much resource as you can mine. Illuvium-zero will be responsible for 5% of all fuel production and all blueprints for skin crafting. I recommend you read the GDD on the messages pinned to this channel (A bit old but still holds)
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[steady vector]

Thank you for all the responses!

[tall bear]

hi frens

anyone got land delisted without touching it today ?

[queen folio]

Hey Eren-- are you certain it just happened today? There was an announcement back on Sept 1st about all lands getting delisted due to IMX changing their royalties... could that have been it?

#📣〕announcements message

[tall bear]

ohhh my bad i didn't realize that, thanks !

[queen folio]

No problem! Yeah it happened to everyone... just need to list them again if you're trying to sell it 👍

[fickle ore]

Any update to ILZ alpha?

[queen folio]

Nothing yet-- so this month is still the goal for the Alpha test launch... but just waiting on more details from the team, for now!

[versed wave]

Excitement!

[carmine ferry]

Unfortunately gambling with anything that holds a monetary value is still considered gambling in Aus.

[radiant sky]

Why is it aus law if its a dao?

[carmine ferry]

Unfortunately being a DAO does not make us exempt from the Law in the areas our players are in. It is illegal for Australians to use most online casinos or gambling services. To be able to offer gambling in the leviathan the DAO would have to prevent any player who lives in a country with similar laws from playing.

I'm mainly using Aus as an example as that's where my expertise are.

Leviathan gambling is still on the table there's just red tape that needs to be sorted, when I hear more I'll let the community know.

[versed wave]

Dammit I just know the team is going to come up with a dope solution!

[radiant sky]

Didn't know that. So you basically have to follow every law in the world, while creating the game? ... since it can be played everywhere.

[little moon]

Its a pretty common thing. The example that comes to mind is that its illegal to have skeletons in games in china. So every game with skeletons releases a special version for china where the skeletons are replaced by something else, otherwise the government wont allow them to sell it.

[carmine ferry]

To a degree, its a pretty common misconception that DAOs are exempt from most laws. Essentially any rule or regulation another game provider would have to follow the DAO would also have to follow.

In AUS DAOs are treated like partnerships and held to the same standards

In Wyoming and the Marshal Islands they are treated as a registered corporation and held to the same laws a company would be.

[carmine ferry]

Exactly, well said @little moon

[deep bone]

This can’t be fun

[hearty cradle]

thanks for the explanation Chris.
so, what will be the consequences to the DAO if we do not comply with AU law? in this case, the gambling law.

not doxxed, doesnt mean the government cant find out who they are

[carmine ferry]

Lets preface this with: I am not a lawyer and am not providing legal or financial advice

[little moon]

If the DAO was violating the law a country would probably fine the DAO and then attempt to seize DAO assets to cover unpaid fines. In this case the signors for the DAO treasury would be the targets. Also NLA.

[mystic umbra]

Hopped back into chat at the right time it seems. To see the idea get squashed

[carmine ferry]

Pretty much, at least based on my understanding of AU law. The DAO would get fined, we'd use the treasury to pay the fines, and rectify the issue.

I wont comment much further on this as we're wading into legal issues that are out of my knowledge base.

Suffice to say: Gambling is not off the table and if/when it is implemented we'll make sure it's safe and legal for our players

[hearty cradle]

yea i think it will be the DAO's best interest to comply with the law, since we are here for the long term. no funny business, we will be all right even if it means no wager, i am sure we can find other value for P2W.

[long tendon]

Dao's are slowly being recognized in jurisdictions. It has its pros and cons. Cons being subject to laws and regulations. Pros would be legitimacy and ease of doing businesses in said jurisdiction (supposedly). Ultimately its a step towards mass adoption.

[cyan bone]

Clean Resource Storage UIs

[spring jetty]

👀

[long tendon]

Oooh! Is this Halycon Sea?

[hot bronze]

Alpha helper menu... looking close 😉

[lilac dagger]

If Alpha is this month…don’t reply to this reply 😉

[empty path]

LOL

I don't think that's how it works

[lethal thunder]

Next year lol

[umbral hull]

Not expecting a comment back but just an idea...

If betting ETH doesn't work out, a backup could be ante, like in the old MTG days. Basically a system to bet Illuvial NFTs.

[cyan bone]

Trying to find leak of Shardbluff to share 🕵️

[harsh acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-nervous-anxious-finger-twitch-gif-5915601

[empty path]

Just hop on stream, I'll make screenshots 😏

[harsh acorn]

now your thinkin!

[thin wolf]

Hey Nick,Could you share Production values for the Elements and Fuels?

[cyan bone]

Looking like tomorrow or Friday, to share a latest of Illuvium Zero: Shardbluff

[long tendon]

yaaas!

SB is my main plot

[deep bone]

Best news I've heard all week

[harsh acorn]

I wonder once we reach maximum solon if we can store it in a silo or we have to sell it to the balancer pool...

[hearty cradle]

Ser i think it's polished enough for us

[warped tendon]

how much T2 Lands does it have?

[whole spear]

Wait for kukkas cave ser

Make them wait

[empty path]

👀

[harsh acorn]

Don't listen to the King, he is corrupt @cyan bone

[hearty cradle]

why ru doing this to us

[cyan bone]

Sorry mi lord, Kukkas Cave as you say mi lord

[dusty agate]

Agree. Even more polished then nessesary

I can say that if the game looks like that on the phone it is grate success. Still would like to see live demo pls🙏

[hearty cradle]

please ser no more polish

[dusty agate]

And more news about launch 😀

[modern fiber]

Could the team give a reasonable expectation when zero will be released. Think that would go along way. Graphics look amazing 🤩 from what I’ve seen

[empty path]

They said they are aiming to have the alpha ready this month. Add some marketing to that so hopefully next month

[wise widget]

What's to market? It's only an alpha release and it's going to landholder's. Just let us have it fraggy please 🙏🙏

[empty path]

I'm pretty sure they will want to make some fuzz about it. You don't have to ask me, I have no say in this.

[modern fiber]

To get access to alpha is there a cut off date when u need land or just as long as u have to when they release it.

[empty path]

All land holders should get access to the alpha

[wise widget]

This ☝️

[wise widget]

Well they can release and make a fuss at the same time I think. Multitasking, easy peasy 👍👍

[fair temple]

Why dont they start the fuzz now. They got plenty of time 🤷‍♂️ they didnt even touch upon IZ in the last leaks video while IZ has been equally, if not more, anticipated than PB2 for some 🙂
Sorry yeah i shouldnt ask you xD

[empty path]

I don't know 🤷‍♀️

[dusty agate]

Gaming Studio

[harsh dew]

I feel like we are overdue for ILZ leaks

[empty path]

Must be something for the leak stream or kukka cave 👀

[lusty breach]

hello ser, can we play pls

[tall bear]

Yep, it’s release time, I’m half blind anyways and I wanna play 😭

[hearty cradle]

should we vote for the release?

[tall bear]

Would be nice, all land owners voting prorata of their ownership

[hearty cradle]

i honestly think IZ need it's own DAO

we can govern IZ as long as it doesnt affect token holders

[spring jetty]

so each owner has 1 vote or the more land we own the votes we have

[hearty cradle]

obviously this should not go through an IIP lol

[tall bear]

Doubt you can, because imagine the IZ Dao wants to increase its revenue share of the fuel sold from 5 to 10%, every land owner would vote yes, but the Ilv dao would vote no, how do you handle this

[hearty cradle]

T1 - 1 vote
T2 - 3 votes
T3 - 9 votes
T4 - 36 votes

[hearty cradle]

as i said, as long it doesnt affect token holders

[tall bear]

So your weighting the vote by fuel output capacity

[hearty cradle]

changing the fuel supply is affecting token holders

[tall bear]

You’re

[hearty cradle]

yea i use the plot DA starting price

[tall bear]

Hm then it would be 1, 3, 10, 40

[hearty cradle]

things we can govern without affecting token holders

• fuel and elements transfer fee
• affinity encounter chance %
• scanning mechanics
• number of BP available
• what to do with elements once buildings are maxed out

[hearty cradle]

ur right

[spring jetty]

damn i have 41 votes

lol

[hearty cradle]

ur a baron ser

[tall bear]

Kieran has 25384639363 votes 😂

[hearty cradle]

polemos got 99999999 votes

707 plots

[tall bear]

707 plots !?

[hearty cradle]

yep

multiple wallets

[tall bear]

Right after the sale I though the biggest holder has over 200 plots

Oh ok

[hearty cradle]

@ivory bough what do you say if IZ has its own subDAO?
since polemos is the largest holder and ILV official partner

[tall bear]

Haven’t’ checked in a while

[empty path]

Or does his plot manager have the votes 😏

[tall bear]

Hahahah actually thought about you

Don’t know whether the voting right would be transfered to the administrator

[empty path]

Let me know when your IIP proposal is ready 😉

[hearty cradle]

do u have his seed?

[hearty cradle]

the idea is not doing an IIP

[spring jetty]

Fraggy probably has like 1k votes

she is sneaky

[hearty cradle]

because the token holder will vote against this subDAO

Especially solar

[tall bear]

Who’s solar 😅

[hearty cradle]

guardian of the token

[tall bear]

Wut ?

[empty path]

Sad that you think this 💔

[tall bear]

Strong MMO vibe

Solar, world boss, guardian of the token

[hearty cradle]

protector of revdis

[tall bear]

😂

[hearty cradle]

Funny that he is openly oppose of IZ while his guild, polemos, is the largest holder of plots

[tall bear]

Don’t know about this, but if so, it would be a nice proof he listens the voices of his guild and accepts democracy

[spring jetty]

if i were rich, i'd buy a bunch land and make Fraggy work for me

[hearty cradle]

i am IZ maxi

[spring jetty]

she cant ban her boss

[tall bear]

Wind unleashed on the IZ channel

With a get out of jail pass

[spring jetty]

you need more land, never enough land

[ivory bough]

Can you elaborate on SubDAO?

[hearty cradle]

things we can govern without affecting token holders

• fuel and elements transfer fee
• affinity encounter chance %
• scanning mechanics
• number of BP available
• what to do with elements once buildings are maxed out

once we get IZ alpha, there will be feedbacks and proposal for improvement, it doesnt make sense to do an IIP

because people who voted the council may not own a plot

[long tendon]

You forget he doesn't own land

[hearty cradle]

not even a T1, even tho its really cheap now

[long tendon]

Yeah as you said his revdis maxi. So why buy land when you can buy ilv

[hearty cradle]

FOMO, people gonna talk about IZ for months

[long tendon]

But on a sub-dao, thats basically self governing which can lead to cartel where a faction of group will control the game. Bit of a slippery slope.

You're also taking away responsibility from the council deciding on IIPs related to I:Z

And voting would just be based on whales or guilds. If ever the main council should still have supervisory powers over the sub-dao if this pushes through.

[ivory bough]

@hearty cradle sorry for the late reply. I agree with Scrub here.

[hearty cradle]

How about council for IZ?
because im not sure token council will vote on the best interest of IZ

potential conflict of interest there

token holder vs plot owner

[dusty agate]

I like the idea of IZ Dao

There were just 6000 owners.

[wise widget]

Maybe major decisions for IZ future can be voted on by landowners somehow. Maybe polls in a landowners only channel could help?

[hearty cradle]

we can start with that

[dusty agate]

Yes but i dont think different people own land

It will be same people who has ilv so useless right now, for future it may change

[winter summit]

Is alpha suppose to release this month still?

Haven’t been around

[ivory bough]

I know what you are getting at. How about writing an IIP for that? You know anything that is added need to be voted on

[dusty agate]

We get hopeful signals from team these last days. Lets wait for kuka cave

[hearty cradle]

token maxi will oppose it

[ivory bough]

Well there is no adding anything to the protocol unless it is voted “passed”. No one has the power to add anything like that without the consent of the council. You’re asking for sth to be added out of thin air without even trying to provide an IIP 🙂 the “token maxi” you mentioned can be land owners as well.

[hearty cradle]

it can be, id like to throw the idea before IZ alpha

[ivory bough]

Sure. Write an IIP and provide rationale officially so it can be talked about in detail in #809220563397902346 and maybe it gets a chance of being approved

[hearty cradle]

the iip should be after iz alpha

People need to see the needs for it first

just want to throw the idea of subDAO, inspired by civitas

[ivory bough]

I know what you are pointing to, but wouldn’t make sense if the convo is buried under an avalanche of other not-related convo.

Unless you are gonna make it stay on top on an hourly basis haha

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/inception-deeper-go-deeper-we-need-to-go-deeper-leonardo-di-caprio-gif-16756828

[deep maple]

Literally all of these will effect the economy and therefore ilv. As a plot holder i respectfully disagree, illuvium council should have unilateral decision besides speculation ILV is the governance token for illuvium and should be the most desirable asset. Another council will be the thing that causes a conflict of interest. If you wish for more voting power... then buy ilv and vote for a council member that represents your views, or run for it yourself ;))

[hearty cradle]

okay good point
do you mind commenting which one of my point will affect revdis?

[long tendon]

You can vote for me Jag 🤣

[hearty cradle]

i can expand on each point

• fuel and elements transfer fee
  The maximum supply of fuel from IZ is still up to 5%, no effect on revdis
  This will only affect on building upgrades and research progress

• affinity encounter chance %
  Rebalancing the % from Aaron's table won't affect revdis

• scanning mechanics
  strictly mechanics, but we dnt know how it works yet

• number of BP available
  simplified the research tree, faster progress means higher tx fee for revdis
  what if the proposed change increase revdis? people would oppose to it as well?

• what to do with elements once buildings are maxed out
  this point has been mentioned by johnny, because after 6 months most building are maxed out, what ru going to do with it?

[cyan dew]

When IZ?

[deep maple]

Hey yeah im all up for rebalancing im sure there will be alot. Probably a bit early to judge it😋. If the changes imply more profit to land even in an indirect way.. for example more finding blueprints even slightly more commonly. This is an increase in profit to landholders. This could saturate the designed game play... probably also effect the timeline of skins sets etc. If landlords are getting more money.. its probably going to be coming at the expense of ilv players... imagine that all the landlords in your city decided that they wanted their own government. certainly a quick route to civil war lols. Remember iz is a game within illuvium

[timber sapphire]

Soon

[deep maple]

I agree tho i dont know what we do with additional elements 🤪

Looking forwars to find out

[analog inlet]

Its been said that the team is "aiming" to get #🎮〕illuvium-zero Alpha version out sometime in September but you will need to be a landowner to play

That was an estimate not a "released date" there has never been any specific date when it was "supposed" to come out estimates can change.

If your talking about "LIVE" IZ will be in beta mode till overworld is ready to go LIVE. No estimate when Overworld will go live as it has not even entered any form of beta yet .

( #🎮〕illuvium-zero r and Illuvium Overworld will go live at the same time No earning till Live and all #🎮〕illuvium-zero progress will be reset before

[humble lichen]

That's a lot of words for "soon"

https://tenor.com/view/hopefully-soon-tamara-kalinic-i-hope-it-comes-soon-any-day-now-waiting-on-it-gif-25264523

[mystic gull]

some people get mad to get just a soon

[analog inlet]

i am always very detailed

[radiant sky]

And it is appreciated 🙃

[abstract knot]

But we will be able to earn bps until overworld is live, am I right?

[mystic gull]

we can find bps even in alpha afaik

[analog inlet]

yes but its not offical know if they will be sellable right away

[balmy ruin]

when can we play zero, still no news?

[queen folio]

Not yet, Disillusion. So September (this month) is still the goal, as far as we know. Just waiting on more updates from the team 🙂

[balmy ruin]

👀 Hope we can get a more accurate estimation from the team.

say next week xD

[cyan dew]

Thanks!

[hearty cradle]

the profit from blueprints and skins is going to be 100% determined by demand and supply
the only way landlords are getting more money is when players demand more of the product
skin is optional, it will never be at the expense of the players, you can just choose not to wear that skin

you know that the team could design a christmas edition holo ramphy skin for limited period of time
what would you do? propose an IIP to prevent that because it will profit landowners at the expense of players?

i can already see how IZ is going to cause so much problem

[humble lichen]

Funny that you can do PvP or duelling with a stake in a lot of Web2 mmorpgs where if you die, you lose in-game currency or your equipment which can easily be worth ~1000usd on the black market on ebay. But when you duel where you wager NFTs or eth in a web3 game, it's considered gambling and get regulated to death. So ironically, the web2 games where you can still unofficially gamble are more fun to play 😙

[radiant sky]

I don't get, why this should be a Problem. Can you elaborate?

[hearty cradle]

it's the classic token holder vs landowner

[radiant sky]

You mean because landowner could Profit, but tokenholder gets nothing?
Don't See a Problem there

[hearty cradle]

i was replying to mets

he is suggesting if landowner make more profit, it is at the expense of players

which i dont agree

token holder should be happy if landowner make more profit, because token holder get 3%

[fair temple]

A little different topic... But:
If we know now that IZ gets the blueprints for skins. Then how would IZ holders feel if the team suddenly starts making additional limited-edition skins where revenue goes 100% towards the ILV holders?
Or the other way around, if they want a new feature for a new game and have a choice to add it either to ILV holders, or a small subset of the people, the ILV land holders. Then where should they add that new feature?

Purely Examplary: Illuvikart parts? -> Either 95% revenue to ILV holders through Fuel sales and in-game creation, or IZ holders would be able to create it similar to blueprints and they would get a larger part of the revenue?
The ILV holders might make an IIP in favor of the ILV holders and IZ land would not keep up with the growing ILV value :]

[hearty cradle]

this is a good example garf

ILV holder can only earn revdis

from tx fee, fuel, and other non ingame revenue

i dont see how we can make limited-edition skins where 100% rev goes to ILV holder

unless it is airdropped to every token holder

which will make it worthless

illuvikart is similar to aaron's idea to introduce space port in megacities

lower tiers will make spaceship parts, while higher tiers assembly these parts into a bigger spaceship components

the space port feature would need an IIP

all the revenue from illuvikart or spaceship will go to landowners, because they are ingame items

on the other hand, all revenue from Illuvium The Movie will go to token holders

the same as merchs revenue

[fair temple]

But what uf they say: nah... the small parts will just be crafted with fuel at the crafting place. Just like shards are crafted and found in the overworld but only use fuel.
They can choose to hold the IZ lands back in revenue by making a direct link to ILVholders.
And limited edition skins are a problem, as they would have to be available as blueprints first, be a guaranteed deop to X people and those people would actually want to make the items. They could even choose not to make the skins and then the entire event never existed :]

[glad junco]

A little different different topic: GAMESTOP PARTNERED WITH FTX
GameStop is also shilling IMX and IMX sees ILLUVIUM as its AAA star child.

Ultimately a lot is going on for ILLUVIUM and there are diff stakeholders that will want it to succeed. Because of this, I’m super bullish on the game and project itself which includes IZ (

[little moon]

This is how it works, the illuvial themed skins come from blueprints but there will be other skins that are sold by the DAO with the profit going to stakers.

I do like the ideas of IZ having a bigger role to play in crafting for future titles. I think long term that’s gonna be the best way to drive additional value toward land.

[radiant sky]

Really? DAO will sell skins?

Source?

[teal mural]

na! they was just talking

[radiant sky]

Aw i c... The "this is how it works" thing Made me thinking he know something

[teal mural]

lol

[hollow shoal]

I just can’t wait to see the first blueprint I get. Going to record that.

[radiant sky]

DAO doing skins would be the epic fail of the year for every landlord...

[hollow shoal]

I wonder if they will add a blueprint channel

[little moon]

Yes the DAO sells skins.

https://discordapp.com/channels/760344898200666112/799125503026003988/992709043011452968

[radiant sky]

What for?

[hollow shoal]

Just to post pictures of what we get 🙂

[radiant sky]

OMG

[teal mural]

Shit we doing that here lol

[hollow shoal]

I figured as much haha

[little moon]

I guess that doesnt specify that the DAO sells them. But blueprints are not the exclusive source of skins in the game.

[radiant sky]

This is hilarious 😂

Like" hey dude, wana buy Land? You can sell fuel and skins for ETH... DAO takes 95% of the fuel and the cool skins we do aswell... But you know... you will have Fun with gameplay"

[teal mural]

Then hopefully we get the best unique and exclusive skins! From the land

[floral locust]

https://tenor.com/view/hope-gif-19238353

[little moon]

I think any skin thats based on an Illuvial will be from land. Stuff like the region based skins or random stuff like the disco ball skin will come from somewhere else. Im guessing that the Illuvial skins will be the most sought after though.

[radiant sky]

So the really unique skins aren't from landowners.... Sure illuvial skins Looks cool, but if most of the skins Looks Like an illuvial, you can be sure that everybody gona run after that Cheeseburger-mozart and don't care about a axodon skin...

Oh wow... Really didn't know that... Was it ever stated official somewhere? So i can blame myself for not knowing? 😅

[little moon]

I dont think it was ever said anywhere that skins only come from blueprints. I mean theres already a couple skins that came from the balancer sale and I always assumed the DAO would sell some skins.

[radiant sky]

Pretty much every Video officials talking about skins makes you believe, that skins for the game comes from Land. But as you mention it... Probably they never said Land only.

[little moon]

People definitely hyped up blueprints a lot. It always made sense to me that it was just for Illuvial skins though.
You scan an Illuvial -> Research biodata -> get blueprint

So it wouldnt make sense for disco ball skins or cheeseburger skins to come from blueprints unless there was a cheeseburger or disco ball running around on your land to scan.

And also the skins from blueprints are made by burning Illuvials. So you would have to capture disco balls to burn them to craft a skin?

[radiant sky]

I always thought, if they really gona make special skins Like that, they will Find a Way, but the skin game is really for landowners. Maybe it was foolish thinking like that.

You know, there was no Stream/vid i can remember they talked about skin and Dao... Was just always skin and Land.
I'm pretty sure i am not the only one who owns Land and didn't thought that the dao also sells skins.

[analog inlet]

#💥〕leaks-discussion message
Aaron | Illuvium — 07/02/2022
Not every skin will come from blue prints. But we want enough that landowners are rewarded and have fun.

[radiant sky]

Yea scoot already posted it before

[analog inlet]

ahh ok

@radiant sky i found some other blueprint stuff you might be interested in
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message
Johnny| Illuvium
there was only ever going to be a very limited set of blueprints pre-beta, the expectation is that you will still be able to collect them all
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message
Johnny | Illuvium — 07/18/2022
there is difficulty to obtain and the set will limit the time for which BPs are available, but the v1.1/alpha blueprints won't be difficult to obtain so getting a T5 Stage 3 blueprint is difficult, trying to get a certain targeted/specific blueprint is exceedingly difficult even with many lands, but getting a single blueprint of any stage/tier is not particularly difficult the alpha blueprints are mostly intended as a small thank you to early holders I mean you still need to build the right structures, scan Illuvials and do your research, but anyone who sets themselves to this task (and holds land ) should succeed

[radiant sky]

Yea, saw them. But thx anyways.

[analog inlet]

ok just trying to help.

[hearty cradle]

thats gonna rekt landowner

we can def implement limited edition bp for IZ
lets say for 1 month a santa claus ramphy is spotted in crimson waste
u scan crimson waste and you grind the overworld to find that rare santa claus ramphy

do u guys realize that fuel from IZ is up to 5%, it can get lower than 5%

now they want to sell skin for the DAO?

no wonder people floored the plots

[radiant sky]

As soon as majority of landowner realized that, they drop another good amount

Or most of them already know it and price stays...

[hearty cradle]

they prob know

landowners have been diamond handing plots

[little moon]

DAO selling skins isn’t a new thing. YouTubers over hyped skins and made it out to be more than it is.

[hearty cradle]

wdym its not a new thing

thats the only value for land

fuels from IZ is miniscule

and we have to work for it

this is my sell signal

[hollow shoal]

So prices for blueprints are at a set value?

[little moon]

I mean that it’s been known for a long time that land wouldn’t be the exclusive source of skins in the game.
The idea that land would be the ONLY source of skins was just moonbois not paying attention to what land actually does and creating hype. . It was never true.

[hearty cradle]

they really should have told us that skin is not exclusive to IZ

listen to yourself scoot

[little moon]

Solar tried to warn you

[hearty cradle]

i wonder how many people knew that

solar didnt say anything about skin for the DAO

he probably doesnt know

[radiant sky]

I wouldn't say it Like that... I mainly just watch the official channels and pretty much anything. Can't remember anywhere stated before dao sells skins, besides this one Post in discord... Not even pinned...

[hearty cradle]

yep

time to brick the floor sorry guys

[radiant sky]

Wondered too... He could delete his Big Post and just write that for convincing ppl buy ilv instead of land, no need for more explenation 😂

[little moon]

From the Medium 29 article. published Jun 30 2021.

"What is sILV2?
Stakers have the option to claim their tokens in the form of sILV2, a synthetic token that is pegged to the price of $ILV inside the game and Illuvium ecosystem. sILV2, like ETH, can be used as currency to purchase things in-game such as Curing Shard, Skins, Enhancements, and Travel, as well as participate in Illuvium auctions such as the Land Sale and Illuvitars. Unlike $ILV, there is no vesting period on sILV2, and they can be used immediately as soon as they have been claimed."

https://medium.com/illuvium/29-governance-yield-farming-and-vault-distribution-faq-7327ae7eb507

As we know sILV2 can only be spent with the DAO and skins are specified.

[hearty cradle]

this is why i said that IZ gonna cause a lot of problem
the classic token holders vs landowners

[hollow shoal]

So just gotta keep the land for fuel production and fuel revenue returns?

[rotund reef]

A bit overly emotional on the FUD here. I don't like the idea of the DAO being able to sell skins either (doesn't seem necessary, should have mentioned most of this stuff pre land sale), but as long as there's enough to go around, we should be fine. They also didn't said when those DAO skins will be available. We may be able to at least have free run on blueprints during the Alpha at least, and then decide if it's worth our time and money to continue it on.

[hearty cradle]

this is before land IIP
and lets stick to that medium and only allow sILV2 to buy skins
take that dao

[radiant sky]

5% Cut isn't worth it just for fuel AT These prices

[hearty cradle]

5% is like $150 a year for T1

[radiant sky]

Alpha skins wont be worth very much, since everyone get them all

[hearty cradle]

i can make that much on a bad sunday

[rotund reef]

I want the DAO, and the game, and the founders, and the devs to all succeed wildly. But 95% of the fuel AND selling skins seems excessive -- though I do NOT have enough details, I realize that.

[hollow shoal]

Hmmm but we don’t know that for sure because of player volume though. It’s all up in the air still.

[rotund reef]

We will have zero idea of the value of the early blueprints until long after we obtain them.

[radiant sky]

You already get more fuel/$ with ilv than with t1 or t4. If ilv gets even lower in price it outperforms even t2 and t3

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/ship-sinking-ship-sinking-boat-boat-gif-24038444

[radiant sky]

You know... If 7k people produce the skin you produce you don't get that Big of a Cut...

[little moon]

See this is the kind of misunderstanding that caused this.
It doesnt say "you can ONLY buy skins with silv2" it says "you can buy skins with silv2"
Just like with land it said "you can earn blueprints used to craft skins" not "you can earn blueprints which is the ONLY way you can craft skins"

[rotund reef]

Ok so this is new info. I understood that the Alpha BPs were going to be originals, no future dupes. Not the case anymore?

[hearty cradle]

wait until more landowner hear about this

[little moon]

We always knew some landowners were gonna flip out when they realized how much better of an investment ILV is than land. Thats why I only have one T1 land.

[elder badge]

Instead of jumping the gun, should get clarification on these from the top in a clear cut way we can all understand.

[hearty cradle]

u had more right?

[hollow shoal]

Always wait for clarification. We can always push for change right?

[rotund reef]

Yes. As much as we like you guys, getting it from random places in the Discord forum, and old interview references is not optimal.

Things do change

[little moon]

I only minted 2. Prices never went low enough for me to think its worth it.

[hearty cradle]

it was aaron who said that
this is not some rando

[elder badge]

Btw @rotund reef enjoy your show

[little moon]

They might soon though. Im expecting a huge selloff at some time. Probably T1 at .2 and T2 at .5 is a realistic value.

I wish I could short land.

[elder badge]

Unless ETH jumps that high, doubt it.

[hearty cradle]

before the land sale, they said that land Tiers doesnt affect the chance to encounter higher tiers illuvials
they changed that during the 2nd day of land sale that u need higher tier plot to encounter higher tier illuvials

i had to fight for it be changed back

and we got it

[little moon]

I mean I think stuff like the Ramphyre skins will still be super valuable though. It just goanna be the rare blueprints that are expensive.

[rotund reef]

We really need a dedicated interview on BPs. The gap between what we want to know, and what we do know is as wide as it gets.

They never really address this head-on

[radiant sky]

Good luck with that... Token holders vote council who Act in their interest 🙂

[little moon]

I can probably answer any questions you have guys. I know stuff about stuff.

[hearty cradle]

land was an exit liquidity for stakers

if you are still holding, thats on you

[rotund reef]

We get it

[hollow shoal]

Eh I’ll probably hold forever and hope for the best. Since I am here long term.

[hearty cradle]

land was sold during the "land fever"
axie sold land
decentraland, sandbox
otherdeeds

[little moon]

Land is a SUPER long term play IMO.
I can see them adding a lot of cool functionality that ties in with future games, but in the short term probably not the greatest hold.

[hearty cradle]

all we can do rn is to ask for skins to be exclusive to land

[little moon]

Maybe we should just airdrop the remaining 80k lands to stakers. That would align the interests of stakers and landowners more.

Then we could just move 100% of revenue to land and do away with ILV.

Why is it virtuous when landowners want revenue that stakers are entitled to but clown when stakers want something that landowners are entitled to?

[rotund reef]

Value of BPs cannot be predicted with any accuracy whatsoever. The illuvial, the skin itself, what will it go for early on, what will it go for if the game takes off, and what will it go for as a 1st gen BP years from now? All different price points -- none of which anyone is going to be able to predict.

Point is, just be in it for the long haul, like somebody said earlier. Don't get all emo and cut bait because of fudding and references with subpar context. Too early in the game for that.

Fudders, just like no-coiners, are fudding for the exact reasons you think they're fudding.

[elder badge]

I don’t believe they created IZ haphazardly and we still have time to improve as we still haven’t even entered alpha.

[acoustic igloo]

itchin to build on my t3 land 🙂

[rotund reef]

I think being loyal and hanging onto land will have its benefits down the road. I think if anyone has learned anything from failed p2e games of the past, keeping both players and owners happy is paramount.

[elder badge]

Yes with the merge, price fluctuations and a better ROI is all depending on what you are looking for in your initial investment.

[lilac dagger]

No coiners 🤣🤣🤣

[elder badge]

They will not let the DAO implode the games ecosystem that is certain.

[rotund reef]

Yeah, it's a smart group. I don't agree with 100% of what they've decided so far, but they all seem to get it.

[elder badge]

Anyway gn everyone stop stressing

[brisk plume]

sup guys

[queen folio]

How’ve you been IM?

[hearty cradle]

people been looking for your land sheet

[hexed abyss]

When IZ alpha? This year I hope 🤞

[hearty cradle]

this decade

[brisk plume]

any news while I was away?

[empty path]

No

[brisk plume]

[ocean haven]

land is 💩 so happy i sold

[empty path]

As long as you are happy

[harsh acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-guitar-music-peng-gif-24462006

I can't wait to play my own land. Gonna be super satisfying when I land the first ever Penguin Blueprint!

[sly summit]

Land is so happy i bought

[worn scaffold]

wow guys, what an amount of stress here at the moment. All I see are posts from a distant past what was written once in a discord post and maybe in an old medium article where you still have to tie up the loose ends.

Don't you guys think it's better to calm down so much when it's actually going to be named by one of the devs?

In addition, you guys should not forget that Illuvium also benefits from making it attractive to landowners. I mean, a small percentage of land has only been sold....

[thin wolf]

We are all Illuvium one🥳

[balmy kestrel]

wen illuvium zero

let me enjoy my land

[hearty cradle]

the co founder wrote it

[empty path]

No dates announced

[hearty cradle]

20% is not small mate

[worn scaffold]

I personally think 1/5 of the total revenue is pretty little. Especially if you take into account that if land does well, you are also going to get higher prices in the upcoming sales and this is going to lead to ILV getting a higher yield.

This brings me to the next point: I understand that people within Illuvium are told things whereby later adjustments can easily be made. That makes sense since the development of both Illuvium and Illuvium zero is going on continuously, elements are being added and perhaps removed, that would also be decisive on how the revenue's on a land should work. I mean; I've also read a few times that 4 weeks to the landsale ILV zero would be playable, that changed too - why couldn't the rest change?

What I just can't imagine, and I'm also firmly convinced that this wasn't going to be/wouldn't be the case is the following; what benefit does the Illuvium team get from making lands less attractive than the currency itself? 80% of your land still needs to be sold, if a big dump takes place and the prices fall far below the original prices, this will eventually be a sledgehammer blow for the upcoming sales.

[ocean haven]

hopes and dreams are fine. i believe prices are faar below mint price

[worn scaffold]

That's currently a fact 🙂

[ocean haven]

personally i dont see prices stop dropping for the next 1-2 year, but i could be wrong

if they change anything, but if they want to do that, i think token holders will have to vote on it.. welll probly not going to happen 😄

[worn scaffold]

May I ask why you think prices will continue to drop in the coming years? I assume by this you mean land prices?

Correct, token holders and thus the DAO can vote on upcoming proposals. Don't forget that many land owners (including me) are also token holders and therefore have voting rights as well 😉

[ocean haven]

Due to land not making any fuel before game release which i think is 1-2 years away.
BP's dont mean much without a game, even with a game out i dont see people paying good money for skins, unless they get nostalgic, and even with that said the skins are for a solo player game where u allready pay 2 play.

Also land will only make 5% fuel, so 95% fuel sale goes to token holders, im aware theres only 100k plots vs 10mil tokens, but as it is right now its MUCH better to hold the token.
in general i see very little to no reason to have land.

[worn scaffold]

These are indeed some good arguments.

From that perspective, I also secretly expect Illuvium to make it a bit more attractive for land owners, especially towards future sales.

But we'll see. Would be nice if we could have a decent discussion with someone from the board.

[ocean haven]

Not sure if they even can make it more attractive for land owners without a vote, and if the land owners get more someone have to get less i guess, dont see token holder giving up any of the fuel % etc

[worn scaffold]

On that front, indeed, I don't think so, as mentioned; a landowner probably has tokens as well.

But besides distribution, there are of course several ways to make it more attractive, including for example skins, limited skins etc.. which can only be crafted by the landowner.

[dusty agate]

Skins and limited skins will be good but think not all owners will get them.

[worn scaffold]

That's not necessary either, you'll have to have some luck for that and of course that's what makes it fun 🙂

[ocean haven]

Do you have any reason why people would buy skins, that's not look at csgo and dota2 (games that been out for 10 years+)

[ripe vessel]

Still nothing news or rumors?

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[dusty agate]

I am not lucky bro. Plus that means those whales who have more land will have more chance to get them, But still this is a way to make it more attractive

[ripe vessel]

Q3 is about to end 🙃

[worn scaffold]

I've been a gamer for I think over 15 years, and have played multiple games such as; Guild Wars 2, WoW, Diablo, CS Go etc..

In every 'successful' game you can see that people want to show their status. This part of a game has been found to be very successful as you see it reflected in all games.

For this reason I think that skins can also be of added value for Illuvium and that people - provided that the game is successful - are also willing to pay money for this.

[ocean haven]

True we dont know until we try and get a vote through.
I like the idea of limited skins etc

[worn scaffold]

True, but you see the "whale" type in every game, investment, etc.

The motto is also for a reason; money makes money.

[dusty agate]

You can earn only selling BP and Fuel at the moment, but think there can be a lot added in the future like to craft weapons, mounts, pets etc

[worn scaffold]

Like a miniature Rhampy 😉

Next to your hero in the open world

(ouchh.. copy of Guild wars 2) xD

[dusty agate]

Yeh, there are some roblox games my kids are playing and they run inside with multiple pets and they give some bonuses to owner

[worn scaffold]

Yeah, Guild of Guardians does the same.

[dusty agate]

I love GW2

[worn scaffold]

Would love to ping Kieran, Aaron etc.. to take this into account

[ocean haven]

only 15? got 20 years on my back 😛
played all those games to, IMO csgo is the only one from that list who is successfull with skins, and again its very old games

[empty path]

Take what into account?

[worn scaffold]

Might be 20 years tbh, started playing CS 1.5 I guess ^^

[dusty agate]

Mounts will be grate too like in WoW, like flying mounts maybe some that can swim or run faster. The map is huge and like 30% 40% speed boost will be nice

[worn scaffold]

All those ideas to make it more attractive for land owners. And that certain uncertainties are also ruled out.

[dusty agate]

That makes game fun as u need less time to collect recourses or find monsters

[empty path]

Feel free to add it in 1 post

[worn scaffold]

I will 🙂

[dusty agate]

GM fraggy 😊

[worn scaffold]

But let's keep it going, hopefully we can deliver them a full A4 😄

[ocean haven]

Fair fair 😄
Thanks for taking this to the next level, i really like the idea about land but atm its just not looking good

[dusty agate]

Atm they are maybe overpriced in terms of $ but think they are still cheap. Its like if my father bought some real land when i was kid now i could be very rich man after 25 years.

[worn scaffold]

Likewise :)!

[hearty cradle]

1. We dont vote in IIP, council does and they have a mind of their own
2. land sale is like the election,
   it will look good and promising before the sale

after the sale GGWP

[dusty agate]

I didn t thought i will earn lot of money after buying lands, only thing i feel disappointed is the alpha version release. I thought it would be available after land sale.

I swear i read that i alpha version gonna be launched after few days. Then it become 4-8 and now its 8-16 weeks or more. Also lands are NFT and thought they will be tradable but as we see theres no demand without game…

[tardy fern]

why is there so much fud in here, did I miss something?

[dusty agate]

Wheres fud?

[empty path]

People getting a bit inpatient, nothing special 🙂

[tardy fern]

sweet as ill check back in in a weeks time

[empty path]

I'll be here waiting for you @tardy fern

[hearty cradle]

turns out the DAO can sell skins too

[dusty agate]

Hes gonna come back in weeks, with army of cupidons

[ocean haven]

welcome to the real world 🙂 , if you have some good points about land feel free to bring it in the light

[dusty agate]

Does Revdis happen from landsale ?

[hearty cradle]

yes from eth tx

[empty path]

Already happened

[hearty cradle]

whats cupidon

[dusty agate]

Little guy throwing arrows to make people love eachother 😂😂

[worn scaffold]

This proposal is made from ILV Zero (land owners).

From this proposal we would like to talk about the future vision, land revenue's and emerging sales.

At the moment there is some dissatisfaction when it comes to the revenue's that can be made from having a piece of land. At the moment 5% of the fuel is obtained by the landowners and the other 95% goes back to the stakers. This is written in the DAO, and also in view of a future proposal I don't think this is going to change.

Now, besides the fuel, there are many other ways to make it more attractive for the landowners. This discussion was recently held in the ILV Z channel and some great ideas came out of it - I will list them below:

1. Creating skins/limited skins that can only be found by land owners. Not everyone will be able to find the skin in question, as they are limited, but this will create an extra fun factor in having land. If you find a limited skin, it will give you an extra boost on your revenue.
2. Pets; in many games you see that having extras is a nice addition to the game. Besides the 'I must have' feeling, a pet could also give the owner extra bonuses, for example in the open world. Also, these pets can only be crafted/found as Land Owner.
3. Illuvial skins. The landowner will have the ability to craft special skins for the illuvials. During a christmas event, you as landowner have the chance to find a special skin for your illuvial, think for example of a christmas cape. This christmas cape can then be worn by your illuvial during a battle.
4. Balancer NFTs and promotional skins
5. All other future 'items to add' that can only be made by land owners.

In my opinion, the above three points could already give an extra boost to the confidence and future revenue of a landowner. From Illuvium's point of view, I also think you would do well to take this into consideration, as currently 20% of all land has been sold and in view of future sales this is going to benefit Illuvium's vault.

I would very much appreciate it (and I think several land owners) that once a session (in chat or voice) will be organized where we can exchange ideas with each other.

@empty path

@here if there's something missing, please let me know and I will add it.

[empty path]

You can't use @ here btw. Lemme read this 🙂

[empty path]

@noble quest Why don't you take this one? 🙂

[ocean haven]

Do we know if the skins for your ranger will also be seen in PVP? or only in overworld, would love to see skins in PVP maybe even to change look of attacks/skills

[hearty cradle]

yes

thats the point of skins

[empty path]

Pretty sure they do

[grizzled remnant]

Don't really understand the Point 1.
It's already planned to have Armor skin from illuvial from the lands. What skin do you speak in ?

[hearty cradle]

special edition skins

like christmas tiktalik

[grizzled remnant]

But Skin for Illuvial. not ranger so ?

[empty path]

There are no skins for Illuvials

[grizzled remnant]

a IIP is not for doing new things ? xD.

[empty path]

Wouldn't mind to see my ape in a bulldog Jersey

[hearty cradle]

all skins are from illuvials

one thing i regret is that the DAO can sell skins too

[sly summit]

Not all, at least not for mozart

[grizzled remnant]

atm we BURN illuvial to create skinned armor.
What about to add NFT disguise the Illuvial.

That is a "Skin" for Illuvial.
The separate things have to be done. in the proposal above too,.

[worn scaffold]

That's something I would like to discuss, that perhaps this can move to landowners to make it more attractive.

[worn scaffold]

Like, your rhampy will wear a christmas cape or something? 🙂

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-eddie-davis-the-original-ironsanctuary-jamming-turning-gif-22614898

[grizzled remnant]

That was I am thinking when i speak about illuvial skin. haha

[worn scaffold]

I love it, will add it to our proposal

[grizzled remnant]

is it your christmas personal skin ?

[empty path]

Add the balancer NFTs and Promotional skins in there
(Not biased at all )

Why not use the xmas nutcracker NFT for that one 😏

Better edit your first message and add them. So Kieran only has to read 1 message

[worn scaffold]

yeah I will, but need to get nitro first 😉

[empty path]

You need nitro to edit messages? 👀

[worn scaffold]

It's to long 😉

[worn scaffold]

Done 🙂

[brisk plume]

https://tenor.com/view/tractor-berta-ferme-fermier-chapeau-gif-25986134

so whats up folks

when farming starts?

gotta get me some of them fucking blueprints baby

[empty path]

Well there are no dates announced yet. Team is working hard 🤷‍♀️

[brisk plume]

stuff gonna be insane

just saw those high res leaks

[empty path]

[empty path]

Do you still have that google document with the auction prices?

[brisk plume]

I think I do, but I have to check really

[hard spear]

I'd rather the devs take their time to release a successful game then just pump out garbage, but it would be good to have an ETA on release...

[topaz mauve]

I just joined this discord guys after watching like 15 videos on youtube about the lands. The more I watched, the more I got confused whether I should buy, and what I should buy.

Whyyy is it so complicated?

[lapis gulch]

It's simple. Bigger land == better land == more expensive land.

[analog inlet]

I am Not going to do a answer long answer right now . If the Landowner did their PROPER DUE DILLIGENCE and **DYOR ** read the IIP they would 'know what they were buying.

The biggest concern I have is the fact that land owners are complaining AFTER they purchased a product that was CLEARY stated revenue could be and now trying to make more revenue form sources because they deem its "not fair" or "not profitable " clearly describe with various negative adjectives which would be against the rules

In my personal view. Nothing should change about land. Especially since the game is not even live yet even then would be questionable.

land is what it is . Its not part of the tokenomics its a **mini game for 100 000 plots ** for people who like builder games to make a little as a bonus while having fun.

Some People seem to think there should be amazing "investment ROI" that compete or is equal to staking which is a misconception.

[deep maple]

Holy shit. I cant keep up with this conversation lol its been 24h🥲. All i can say is fundamentally, land owners asset is 1/10,000 varying upwards depending on tier. And of course going up to 1/100k when they release more. This is the premium of land. And with the increase of player base the premium will kick into effect especially if IZ is inherrently successfull, fun and profitable. From what i can see we are debating issues with 5% of the fact base that we need to actually make a decision. For the fair pricing of land, all profit mechanisms need to be in full swing for it to have a fair value. There is no point in even talking about it atm. In particular we would need to know how much revdis is coming + staking rewards as this is ultimately the causation of land price fluctuation. Everything is speculative at this point. To extract the most value from IZ for all illuvium participants. Game devs need to look at the economic mechanisms and tweek up/nerf to make it an awesome experience for players... im a big believer in the free market. However, if a peice of land is very profitable but completely un attainable then you might see how that could be detrimental to a game where land was not as profitable but a players could dream on working their way up to owning a slice of the pie. It is very reminiscent of the destruction of the american dream... you know? For example where i live in london. People below 30 cannot afford houses... when the gap is big enough it will kill motivation and promote anarchy...

[hearty cradle]

lol what about things that is changed or designed after the land sale? how do you DYOR the future?

[hearty cradle]

what ru talking about man

[deep maple]

Iq gap

[hearty cradle]

[ocean haven]

some people dont see the bigger picture, the state of land is bad for illuvium as a whole
but i agree with you on land is 💩 and no one should buy it, we disagree about it being a issue for illuvium

[topaz mauve]

I just joined a feel like I shouldn't buy any land 😄

Too confused now

[ocean haven]

NFA dont

😛

[hot bronze]

Lol

[dusty agate]

Have same feelings after talking with solarstorm yesterday. I get it like i made bad decision, i had to buy star atlas spaceships 😦

[ocean haven]

at this point i would buy SA ships over ilv land tbh

[dusty agate]

Seriously i mean i had to buy ilv and stake it for long time.

[analog inlet]

IMO NFA DYOR
**Comparison **
#💬〕general message

Land owner revenue explanation
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

Blue Prints
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

Staking info
#🥩〕staking message

[dusty agate]

Lets see time will show us whats better. We just need IZ alpha to play and then overworld thats all … for now

[ocean haven]

This is so wrong you forget supply 🙂

[lusty breach]

This makes no sense whatsoever.

[analog inlet]

please be more specific ...

[ocean haven]

be specific? on what supply is? dont understand

[dusty agate]

Token holders get 95% that should be distributed among how may tokens are there 7m+ and that 5% is for just 100k

[analog inlet]

so it really does not matter how many plots of land are active as the DAO produces 95% of the fuel so there will never be a "shortage" <---supply

[fair temple]

What?

[ocean haven]

so if we give 5% of 100$ to 10 people, they get the same as if we give 5% of 100$ to 1000 people, thats crazy

[analog inlet]

Supply of fuel will never be in question because even if landowner produce 0 the DAO will produces all fuel needed

[fair temple]

The dao produces based on the land production. If there are no lands producing then the dao will produce 100% at the top-most rails of the pricing spectrum.

[dusty agate]

Yeh i understood that this way too. And also in case to keep fair price on fuel

[hearty cradle]

why solar is discouraging people who just joined and want to buy land?

[analog inlet]

evertioall 5% of Fuel related sales will be spread between all 100 000 plots when fully sold so ( not passivily and based on production)

[fair temple]

Because we havent had the Town Hall with Kieran on IZ yet :))

[dusty agate]

Before that? Dao will produce instead of unsold lands ?

[ocean haven]

so faar so good you understand theres 100k plots at max. Now how many tokens will there be - my point is you cant do a 1 to 1 comparison like you did, because the supply is not the same

[fair temple]

This means that lands will produce 5x as much now than what they will produce later on.

[hearty cradle]

yep

solar
stop fudding the land

[fair temple]

But if you think about it, this means that land prices will likely stagnate while ILV value rises since their total supply is fixes.

[dusty agate]

Does inactive land = unslod?

[hearty cradle]

we will not sell more land before we reach certain revenue

[fair temple]

The 80K unsold are inactive, dont produce anything yet.
The 20K lands that have been sold will make up all the fuel production.

[dusty agate]

I mean i bought land but not playing

[analog inlet]

The problem we are having is were not properly informed . The need to really they are buy a game not an investment . If people want an Investment and not a game they need to have all the information to compare both so they can DYOR to make the choice that best meetg their goal

[dusty agate]

Plus it was said that price on fuel wont change more then 25% so i may wait to sell it for additional 20% how is that fixed by DAO. I thought they just add fuel when theres no fuel or gets too expansive

[fair temple]

But once we do, ILV fuel production remains the same while you will see a slow decline in fuel production per land. So the value of lands will stagnate while ILV value continues to rise, if the player base increases.

[topaz mauve]

Yeah, this is confusing indeed, I came to learn more about the land, but see that there is a lot of confusion here.

I personally loved the autochess concept of the game, and thought that the land would help me find blueprints and resources to support that. I feel like I am wrong and it is part of the wider economy that I still don't understand.

[dusty agate]

Thats why i am here to understand it better, thanx for info u are providing mate 🙏

[analog inlet]

Your welcome i am just trying to counter act the ones in here that try to act as a used car sales man baically trying to trick peole into buying land so they can sell thier plots

[dusty agate]

It will help, u need fuel to play overworld like to move to certain areas to craft and so on. It is one time investment that will make your game free

People are talking now not about game but how it will work in terms of money earning.

[analog inlet]

As a staker i can play over world for "free" now ill i have to do is claim "Silv-2" as a reward and use that in place of fuel.

[radiant sky]

😂 someone asks a question and you Start to fud... More acting than counteracting

[dusty agate]

Yep, i also wrote few days ago about that, i have no stacked ilv for now but i am going to by silv2

[analog inlet]

Nothing I have stated is FUD. Its simply fact people can find out on their own. How do you think have all the knowledge i do . DYOR . How do you think i realized land was not for me personally. DYOR and made up my own mind .

Anyone scared of a factual comparison has some other motive to hide

[cold brook]

anyone want to buy a plot of land off me ... on the floor crystal shores 0.35 eth, i need some urgent life money. bullish on the game but need to morgage my position haha

[grizzled remnant]

you don't see the long term of land with Illuvium multigameverse. You will have to sell your loved token to buy to much expensive Land later. Your DYOR mind. 😉

[analog inlet]

Even 5 years from now with 4 games out using fuel land will not even remotely be able to touch staking REVdisS revenue . that is simple fact.

[ocean haven]

FOMO land MIGHT be good in 2027 😄

[cold brook]

im going to have to do this!

[dusty agate]

Right now he can get silv 2 for free and buy some lands from those 80k left. But after all 100k are sold and game will have lot of active users think lands get more expansive.

[radiant sky]

The fact that dao will make blueprints, was after the Landsale, written where nobody find's it and never mentioned in livestreams/vids/pinned messages whatsoever. You say it was a fact? Gimme Source ...

[fair temple]

But if someone can get a blueprint in the first 5 months of the game on a T2 land, sell that blueprint for 2 eth and buy 30 ILV tokens, then wouldnt that be worth it? 😏

[grizzled remnant]

It depend of the success of the games that provide Illuvium. But people that didn't invested in land in real world to build their house cry now there are no plot anymore and the prices are insane high. That's speculation and depending of the success of the game. But from me Land > Token long term.

[analog inlet]

I ll raise you show me in the iip where it says blue prints are exclusive to landowners .

[analog inlet]

buying a lottery ticket i can win 60 million dollars . is it worth it ?

[dusty agate]

Damn if getting Bp is like lottery i will never get it😔

[analog inlet]

you ether did not DYOR enough to come to that conclusion or interprets the information differently, Its all personal choice if that your call i wish you the best.

[fair temple]

I think that is similar to land. Land is a high risk high reward play. The passive income compared to ILV tokens is lower but you can skew that in your favor with good strategies + you have a chance at winning a jackpot oncr in a while 🙂

[ocean haven]

to me it looks like high risk low reward lol

[hearty cradle]

yes
i hope the bp can compensate that

[grizzled remnant]

Because I don't have the same conclusion as you ? You need my validation ? I need to spend more time to have your result too ?. please..

[analog inlet]

If you read "comparison" and "Blue prints" . That is what i am basing my opinion on . Its a personal choice. #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[hearty cradle]

are you calling kieran a used car salesman who is trying to trick people into buying land?