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Thats great to hear! I think a lot of ppl will be disappointed by low secondary volume so its good to know that we will have somebody to sweep the floor!
Stake and get RevDis.
Like Zyo just said, please move the land sale talk to #🎮〕illuvium-zero
RevDis!!! 💪
Bottom feeder sweep the floor
You are almost as incorrect as it is possible to be. This format is being used precisely to keep the bots and the gas wars away.
you still can play the game for free. You are not out
yeah i think that is gonna be the problem so i wait a few weeks.
pretty much is, and tier 4 is gonna sell out at 80-40 eth
Well call me Mr. Catfish
i think i scared people away
yeah and make nothing because I dont have 2 etherium to freaking spend.
The idea with web 3 is play and earn
hahaha
Hi, got the email about land price. Is the last one typo error? Is it supposed to be Land Tier 1?
you could then play Illuvium and not Illuvium Zero. Barrier to entry is low
Yes
You are making me so bullish, you can sense how popular this game is going to be.
I see. Thanks for clarifying.
wow
thats fine, Just pointing out its a disgusting way to keep the people who have some wealth wealthier. If you are that guy, then you will be bullish of course
As people have said, this chat is best moved to the correct channel. But if it makes you feel better, you will very likely be able to pick up a land for way below 2 eth. Either in the auction or just after.
y'all got a illuvium email too? about landsale
yeah probably when the game have fallen and lost all popularity
Dutch Auction
Yes 
I didn't
like its rediculus.
And there is like 500K lane plots or something like that
Ok, move the land sale talk to #🎮〕illuvium-zero guys.
sale dates r gonna be announced this week
Free markets are not disgusting, they provide opportunity for everyone.
its not really a free market my guy.
when though 
e-mail says date should be announced this week
Lowers until someone accepts the price
well yeah, it is not free. It cost money
and no they dont, this provide oppertunity for people that have loads of money to get more loads of money thats it
ok nice! cant wait to grab my some lands
@hardy lynx please continue your discussion of the #🎮〕illuvium-zero land sale in #🎮〕illuvium-zero
That is where this conversation should continue.
okay sorry
Aaaaah much better
That was yesterday ser, I listen
Little by little and then floodgates fully open:-)
is there a list of how many pieces of land will be sold?
20k plots during the first sale, 100k in total
More information can be found in the pinned messages in #🎮〕illuvium-zero
Was careful not to mention crypto or NFTs though. Sadly those words are still quite toxic among gamers.
is there a breakdown of the supply of each tier of land?
Yes, check the pinned messages in #🎮〕illuvium-zero
So I can see the DA prices in ETH. What is the DA prices in sILV2? for land this is
Hey! There is no date yet for the land sale, is it?
email on land prices is legit?
Should be announced this week
Yes
That will depend what the price of ILV is during the land sale
Ah okay. In a previous model I believe they just said there would be separate pricing for sILV and ETH.
Yeah, noticed that too.hopefully they will see the light and join:-)
You can find in pinned comments of #🎮〕illuvium-zero spreadsheets about it
They will in time I'm sure
Should be illegal to send out emails like this on a monday morning, need more coffee
Thanks!
Should be illegal to call Sunday night 'Monday Morning.'
Keep your Monday vibes in your own time zone 🤣
Oh land sale date this week! Exciting
Yeah, that will mean we are really close
Don't get me started on the weather in the future 😄
is there details on quantity per tier?
Did you also miss that line in the email?
@lusty mantle said this week, release the hounds!
You can check the pinned messages in #🎮〕illuvium-zero
Don't blame me, its in the email
Synthaman gonna hunt me down if it doesn't happen 
I just received an email about land prices revealed for Illuvium. I dont see it announced here. Is it a scam?
It seems to be legit
Did you get one?
Yes
Has anyone played illuvium yet?
A few people have access to the private beta and more people will be getting invites
Ok thanks
Premint maybe?
There are no premint / whitelists in Illuvium. Land sale will be an public dutch auction
Ahh. Thanks for the info. Those don't go well. Prob better than Otherside I Hope
What doesn't go well?
@fair dagger Boo!
Anyone know y it says tier 2 twice with different prices ?
Bottom one is T1
its a typo
Ok , I thought so , just a typo then is it?
Yeah,
Illuvium game dev = 💯
Illuvium marketing = 🤡
(JK Andrew we love you)
Its just a typo
/s dont murder me kieran
the original from kieran shows correctly
Typo, putting out an announcement now
It’s all good 😊 I mean I did assume this was the case but just checking
So that illuvium email with the land prices is real then? And it’s in Eth yeh?
But yes it is an official email
And yes the land sale date will be announced this week
Correct
Steep prices, gas war with this as well?
I still didn't mute anyone 👀
Prices are in ETH, you can also use sILV2
I don't think there should be gas wars with these prices, you think there will be?
Do I sell some Liz for some land 🤔 tough call, but probably not
hello fam
Depends if the registration counts as kind of a whitelist, if not then yeh there could potentially be gas wars
No whitelist
Shits about to get really real
Let the revdis roll in 😄
First burn most of the Silv2 and pump @sonic dagger bags and then Revdis
I should start reading up on the illuvatars so I'm ready for the next wens
Are all of these tiers dutch auction style?
except tier 5
Curious bunny says thanks
I need to do this as well, these will have long term value 
So tier 5, 1million plus easy right?
Hey guys I can't upgrade to staking 2.0, anyone have a clue what the issue might be?
Not enough ETH to pay the gas fee I would guess. Wait for like 20 gwei and you should be ok
What Scoot said. Remember nobody is going to DM you. DM = scammers
2 eth for cheapesT?!?!
LAND SALE DATE THIS WEEK!!!!
geezz thats expensive, not for broke folks sad ;-;
land sale!
Why are you doing a dutch auction not random sale dutch auction only favours whales. Majority of the people don't support dutch auctions even otherside sale didn't go with a dutch auction
how do we get access to invites?
Any reasoning behind Dutch auction? And why no whitelist? People will waste gas and get nothing
where it say dutch auction i dont see
And that was a complete disaster
Pray
Usually Dutch auctions I heard. Whales snatch up most.
Dutch Auction is to avoid gas war
Sers will we be able to buy land with sILV2?
Talk later Im going to bed GN
have u checked to make sure you dont have a stuck transaction with a pending nonce?
Yes
Please don't compare yourselfs to yuga labs.
Yes
Thank you frens!
To avoid a gas war do a whitelist
You just did?
Illuvium team decided to not use any whitelists, everybody has an equal chance
Hmm I've had this problem when gas was super low as well but I'll just add more eth and see if it helps. THanks!

So basically whales can buy it then so 🤷 forget everyone else
is it known how many people may be provided access to the extended private beta?
Hi
Yikes, those land prices are a bit too steep for me, good luck to everyone
Hi. Do we need to get wl to mint land?
good morning ☀️
First they will go from 500 to 1000. Later it will be 10k and then just everybody
no WL
No WL
No comparison i was highlighting that eveb they planned to do this then reconsidered.
they made tier 1 for the poor ppl. they got your back dw
You don't need land to play the game
ThAnks. Where to purchase it?
Who said i am poor ? Even if I was or wasn't i would still be saying the same.
There should be an announcement with more information this week
Got it. Thank you
If you got more questions about land, please join the conversation in #🎮〕illuvium-zero
There is no set date for the first land sale. The land sale will be announced in #📣〕announcements when the date has been confirmed. Illuvium: Zero is a mobile mini-game that will interact with the main game. Illuvium: Zero will be a base building game staged on a piece of land. Paid land will produce Fuel ERC20 tokens and Blueprints, interacting with the main game. There will be 100k plots of paid land in total, and the first land sale will offer 20k of these plots for sale in a dutch auction format. All in-game development on land will be wiped when Illuvium launches. For more information, visit #🎮〕illuvium-zero
who else complains about whales? no point in complaining they wont change it. your new found intellect after reading 1 yuga opinion tweet wont matter much here
I think $40 was on the low end for upgrade transactions around 20 gwei so some extra ETH should solve the problem. Also try disconnecting and reconnecting the wallet and clearing the browser cache, that can solve problems sometimes.
Hmmm email says click here for land registration? I’m guessing that’s just a sub to the newsletter? We don’t actually have to register ?
Correct
Thanks lmao didn’t recognise you
i think it would still show the gas and say it cant afford, seems like maybe a nonce issue imo
Testing some new stuff 😄
How many $ILV for Tier 1?
Dude trust me you're a peasant compared to people i know. If they want the land they can take it. This is play 2 earn game if you don't understand game fi economics on maas adoption and to makw it appealing for as many users then wtf can i say.
How can we Register for a land?
Public Dutch Auction
Damn no chance in that
Don't worry, starting prices are pretty affordable 
No point to do DA if everybody would insta buy. Starting prices have to be high so it's not botted / gas war
Fraggy trying to get beta access 😂
Pretty sure DA also favors certain target audience. There are other ways to mitigate botting and gas wars
If the "whales" bought all of the land at starting prices then it would generate approx 460m in revenue from 20K plots. That's only 20% of our land. This is also excluding Tier 5 land. Seems very unlikely but stranger things have happened. The only other way would be to increase prices again but at what point does it get ridiculous
The important thing to remember is that they reduce rapidly. They aren't priced to be purchased immediately
What are the price drop rates for DA?
Hi
2.5% per minute for two hours
Is there min price?
wow what a big boy lol
at what point does it get ridiculous? challenge accepted
T1 - 42 ETH
T2 - 69 ETH
T3 - 420 ETH
T4 - 690 ETH
🤣
The floor is about 4.7% of the starting price.
It gets there in 2 hours.
That should be min price of ~0,1E after 2h
I rather you fix prices do either a whitelist, lottery or fcfs but not a dutch auction
I wonder how many really will fall down, btw can you directly pay with cc?
It is what it is. If someone only has 1.3 eth it is better for the starting price to be at 2 eth than 1. You would have no chance at buying it at 1e starting price
You can use ETH or sILV2
You can buy land with ETH or sILV2.
Rather a fcfs 😂😂😂😂😂😂
except T5 is ETH only if i remember right
Correct
Why not they can use l2 like the game
Can sILV or ILV be used for land?
You can use sILV2 or ETH for the land sale. T5 is only in ETH
Well layer 2 would be feasible for that true but this first sale isn’t L2. The rest could be
SILV will be treated as ILV Spot Price on buying the land, right?
1 sILV2 = 1 ILV during the land sale
sheesh, kinda expensive
understood. thanks. so that's a 40% discount right now
$175 vs $470
Is the cheapest land 2 Eth??
How much tier 1 land again? 👀 2 eth?
Dutch auction. The starting price is intended to be unreasonably high and decline over time.
Starting price is 2 ETH
The starting price is not intended to be the mint price. Prices decay 2.5% a minute over 2 hours. The cheapest starting price is 2 ETH.
why not use ilv? use eth?
guys i want the orange name.
Yall need more mods anyway.
so sad
I think @near pier makes those calls
!ilv
ILV is not needed for gameplay in any way. Instead, it has three main functions:
Governance:
Together, we have the power to shape the future of Illuvium through our community collaboration on game improvement proposals and electing the initial model of governance, the Illuvinati Council.
Liquidity Mining:
Here, you will gain more ILV (or sILV). Additional ILV will increase your voting power in governance & increase your share of vault distributions.
Vault Distributions:
When you stake ILV, you share in Illuvium's success and earn a passive income of additional ILV, funded through in-game purchases and fees. Vault distributions will only be available from sales once the game and Illuvidex launch.
Got ya. Thanks. And sorry for the dumb question. 5mins of my own research could have saved you some time. 😳
I remember there's a hack on SILV pool before. What's the team's opinion on buying SILV2 on DEX for land sesll?
I was told it was based on recommendations of existing mods 👀

Use it at your own risk
is illuvitar still 2 weeks after land sale? I need my profile pic :D
I guess if the team needs more, they will ask us who is active and helpful
what does that mean? Would you mind to explain a bite more?
Unknown
i don't think the team can officially approve a liquidity pool they don't control. Ive had good experiences with this one and the old one myself
Do we got a guess as to how far out the game is?
risk in terms of what?
how can mint?ilv holder?
The pool is not made by the team but by a community member. Illuvium team has no control over it
haha for sure. becuz it is illegal in several places. so the team can't "officially" make a pool
You mean land? This will be a public dutch auction
How to buy lands?
ok. understood. thanks. so arbit opps with risk on pool builder
More information will be announced later this week. It's going to be an public dutch auction
that's why we need DEX, "unofficial" pool 🤣 legal risk everywhere
Bit of both
so no need hold ilv
Ya know its hard for some of us community members to answer questions effectively with this slowmode. Especially with all the newbies coming in for the land sale.
Umm, i found it very helpfu to learn and understand the legality of crypto where i live.
correct
Will public dutch auction use sILV2?
just gas war
Yes
silv2 is what? not eth?
Here in Australia it's treaded very similar to gold, for tax purposes.
Ah come on, I did it for months 🙂
You can use ETH or sILV2, T5 is only ETH
Maybe a tier between mod and regular community member
I wouldn't mind some help 😅
Yeah something that says "This guy knows what he is talking about but dont blame us if he is an asshole"
How to fixed price about lands?
I'm sorry, I don't understand the question
How much one land if i use sILV2?
depends on ratio of ILV to ETH at time of mint probably
That depends on the price of ILV and how low the price can go during the dutch auction. 1 sILV2 is valued as 1 ILV during the sale
Does sILV2 have other uses besides buying land?
can use in game after release for travel and so forth
You can also use it for illuvatar sale or ingame transactions like travel costs
it is for every transaction between a person and Illuvium, no P2P. And not for Tier 5
sILV2 can also be used to purchase illuvitars
Any news or anything about a release date?
Later this week
Release date will be announced later this week
Oh a Moo
is he asking about land or full game tho?
I added some emotes and idk I'm obsessed with rolling animals 
laaaaaaand
so no need for ilv

only eth is enough
the last one is the best 😄
i dont get it, can i use ilv2 to buy land ?
Silv2 yeah
@sage falcon were u asking about land release or full game release?
Good morning everyone
Game release news yeah, since people speculated within march/April and I haven't seen any announcement on the release date yet
Or maybe not even a date but month
land release will b announced this week, full game is still to be determined
yep. whatever the price of ILV is, thats the in-game (or land purchasing power) silv2 will have. so if for example you have 4 silv2. and ilv is currently 500usd. your buying power of your silv2 is 4 x 500usd (ingame, for land, and for illuvitars)
Ah, I see
for example, tier 4 land is 80 eth = 480 silv 2 ?
Guessing T2-5 land will be even more expensive compared to the 2Eth start? Playing this game is gonna be fucking expensive....
You don't need land to play the game
it all depends on what ILV current price is
But land gives fuel, fuel need to play? Gotta buy fuel if not generated from land?
land game is separate and sells resources for people to use in main game
You can buy fuel from the market or use sILV2 for in game fees
And still the DAO will provide fuel and not have its price fluctuate a lot. So not a good idea to buy at starting price expecting good ROI
When can we play the main version game?
No date announced for now
2eth.... hope i can get 1 with 4 silv
damn 2 eth for tier land 1
Hell yeah, Land sale date getting announced this week
bayc was cheap hahaha
hello
with 100k supply and the second cheapest tier is 2 eth. that's a little bit crazy
Remember this is an Dutch Auction, you shouldn't insta buy
Can we use silv for land purchase and is silv price pegged to ilv?
yes, welcome to the "ohhhhhh" moment
Cool cool thanks. Where can we buy silv?
i do not have the mail, i have read only the announcement. i will wait for the complete information
you can find contract in #🔗〕helpful-links
or that ^, thanks alex
no problem
The only new info the email has is that we are putting out the Land Sale date this week.
Everything else was decided in the snapshot

Thanks all, appreciate it
2 eth is the minimum price for a plot ??
It's the starting price for T1, because this is an Dutch Auction, price goes down over time
ok thanks
T1 land is the best one right? 😅
it is slowly coming together... patience people. It's gonna be a wild ride starting this month!
T1 is lowest tier, T5 has Arena
RIP hopes
What a time to be alive 🤣
How many times have you had to explain it so far?
Enough for you to send me a lizard 
Enough to get a bonus ilv 😏
rofl
Let's just say it's good that I'm working from home today
u would think people werent Dutch, who knew? 🤣
Land🔥 🔥
Is this the first land sale?
yes
How can be buy land
And its the cheapest one probly 😩
idk ab that
More information will be out later this week, it will be an public dutch auction on the illuvidex
Have eth, click buy 💩
Anyone looking for more details about the land sale should look at this link, any information that is not in there has probably not been made available yet
dont click on links. go to the illuvium.io website. you can sign up for landsale updates there
Are the lands going to go up in 2Eth per tier?
its 2 eth for tier 1 and 6 for t2
Its just a discord post 😒 dont be so paranoid 💩
Wow 5 tier would be like 30eth 😳
t4 is actually 80
Cash grab 💩
Unless you can afford a bayc you have no chance for tier 4 or 5 then
You don't have to buy if you don't want
there will always be squaters
I still have silv. Do i need eth or silv to buy land?
GM whats the difference between tiers lands
sILV is not used anymore. You can use ETH or sILV2 during the land sale
I want but cant 💩
Check the pinned messages in #🎮〕illuvium-zero
eth or sILV for land unless you are paying 80 eth
I was expecting insanely huge prices on t5, but didnt expect 2eth for t1 😅
how much is one silv2 worth?
Once again, it's the starting price. The point of a DA is high starting prices so there is no gas war / botting
1 sILV2 = 1 ILV
clearly the floodgates are cracking 🤣
and what is easier, to buy in eth or silv2?
im buying in ETH
No difference.
Up to you. If you buy with sILV2 you need to claim it after stacking. I would say there are fewer steps to buying with ETH? But if you mean if you already have both tokens, it's the same experience.
equal ease, but if using sILV2, u will still need ETH for gas
also is 2 eth for cheapest FINAL? D:
Not listed on coinmarketcap or coingecko
it trickles down 2.5% per minute
and is this available on opensea or somewhere else?
ah so dutch auction
correct
but still 1eth if it is, it hits, thats still pricy for cheapest option
will be on illuvidex on main site from my understanding
whats starting price for the other? is it established yet?, also is there a % chart saying how many teach tier?
The game is incredible, there will be a lot of demand.
still, quite a high entry
note that the resources created from land game will apply to all future games as well
Dear God I'm even more bullish now.
Wazzup
Why isn't Silv2 listed on Coinmarketcap or Coingecko yet? It would be nice if that was done before the sale.
hello. can you help? What are the pre-requirements to be able to register for land sales?
well yeah, but what would u think ROi on the land be even if u sold everything
There are none
Do you have a working Ethereum address?
It's hard to predict exponential growth.
100k land is alot oof
anyone know the answers to this ^
if i remember right, the first 20k land in first land sale will the only sale before the illuvium zero game release, but i could be wrong
20k initial rollout, then observe fuel prices and economy.
do we know approximately when this land sale will be?
whats Illuvium zero ETA? before they said was like jan - feb back in december lel
Announcement this week.
we will find out this week
will the land sale be AFTER public game release?, or before
cool thanks
before
so tier 5 would be auctioned ?
I still hope to find somebody in the Netherlands who can help me with this procedure. I am not familliar with buying landsale....
english auction yes, and ETH only, no sILV2
what're the % for each tier?, of the 100k
I'm sure somebody in #797985437624172554 can help you
also it says 278 plots released every hour and duration of each batch is 2 hours. what is this 2 hrs duration?
i don't understand why tier 4 is expressive price start 80eth...
Check out the pinned messages in #🎮〕illuvium-zero. Tons of information about the land in there
do the unsold plots get expired after 2 hrs?
🤮 I threw up all over myself when I read the email
Get some water 
should have cracked open a bottle instead
you saw your reflection?
yes this is what i was referring to. so after 2 hours each unsold plot goes back to treasury?
so the lands wont be used till Illuvium zero release, is there an ETA date for illuvium zero?
Imagine there being unsold plots 🤡
I'm not worried about that tbh
Silv2 to the moon +17%
a game for rich to get richer and to keep the poor people out of it
Since t5 have 3x more boost than t4... It will go for 250 eth at least 😱
stupid math question but what is 2.5% reducing upto 2 hrs?
T5 land will have it's own marketing team IMO and event planners.
as in whats the max the price drops to
huh.. .250 eth??
tier 5 land is kinda understandable but the others are all too high lol
every minute it reduces it by 2.5%
Everybody can play.
Everyone can play and everyone can invest in it... The only limit is your wallet 💩
yes i know that but what does that come upto in one hour? like 30% drop?
So that purely profit-oriented bots and resellers are deterred
u can see this
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18u7qTwcm7EJNt0sW3YrZ19-W0U8-ta5uTMBpz9LzEAI/edit#gid=1624078536
Price Simulation (Live ETH/ILV)
Illuvium Zero Land Prices
(with Live ETH/ILV prices from cointracking.info),Dumb Player2#0001
Lead Moderator
- Make a copy of the spreadsheet File > Make a copy
- Then change the Land Starting Prices in the orange/red cells
It goes down to 4.79% of the starting price
only info i see on this in the proposal is "until someone buys it" so not sure on this one
Depends if those % is from the CURRENT price or the ORIGINAL 💩
on the left side of this , it shows the % in the 2nd collum
thansk a lot! that explains it
Hi, is there a land mint date?
announcement coming this week
Thx, and what about the land price?
the real starting price isnt 2eth but 0.7 if it were to happen today
starting prices that decrease 2.5% per minute
Thank you bro
What do you mean?
@lusty mantle looks like things have slowed, i got work in 7 hrs and gotta crash, have fun 🤣
Have a good sleep, thanks for the help 
anytime, GN
Will there be any WL for the land sale?
No WL, no pre-sale. Only public DA. Equal chances for everybody
most purchases will happen with sILV2 not eth because you have WAY more buying power with sILV2
may i ask the land function and the difference between each land tier there is?
the auction starts at around 0.7 eth if you were to purchase with sILV2 tokens
!land
There is no set date for the first land sale. The land sale will be announced in #📣〕announcements when the date has been confirmed. Illuvium: Zero is a mobile mini-game that will interact with the main game. Illuvium: Zero will be a base building game staged on a piece of land. Paid land will produce Fuel ERC20 tokens and Blueprints, interacting with the main game. There will be 100k plots of paid land in total, and the first land sale will offer 20k of these plots for sale in a dutch auction format. All in-game development on land will be wiped when Illuvium launches. For more information, visit #🎮〕illuvium-zero
Why is that?
Silv2 +25%
to the moon
sILV2 will be 1:1 with ILV token price and there is around a 2.8x difference atm therefor 2/2.8 = 0.7 eth starting price
Oh yeah oke
in other words you could buy 2.8 times more land if you were to purchase with sILV2 instead of eth
Yeah i know i already have some
tbh I dont think 2eth is high enough starting price unless sILV2 moons during the land sale which it probably will which will dilute the buying power
How does an auction with 2 coins work. Will there be a price in sILV and one in Eth?
Is it possible to buy ilv2 token?
A community member made a pool on Uniswap
presume so
if not, have a calculator near by 😆
Is RevDis given in ILV or SILV2?
unlocked ILV
The DAO distributes 100% of revenue to token holders.
Revenue distributions are claimed through the official Staking App as unlocked ILV. The vault converts ETH spent in-game into ILV by the main Sushi pool, which increases the token price.

Dang am i glad i bought in the moment i saw the email 😄
This applies for right now. sILV2 will start to pump due people looking for having more purchase power
yes thats why I said if the DA was to happen now, buying power will be diluted if sILV2 pumps
Hey guys can we use sILV2 to buy land? If so how?
yes
You will have to have sILV2 and some ETH for the gas. Then clic purchase when land sale is active
make sure you have some ready for the DA, will be same as buying with Eth I imagine
What happens to the SILV2 that's used to buy land?
always use #🔗〕helpful-links to have the correct contract address
great interview with Aaron @split lintel . crazy how all the brothers bring so much to an interview in unique ways. And Andrews marketing strategy is working wonders everytime i see these or the AMAs i buy more 🚀
🔥
Wow could this project get any more bullish?
it will be burned and means max supply of ILV reduced
the sILV2 pump begins
No, it's impossible.
Wow the tokenomics of this project are absolutely insane lol. In a good way
So sILV2 value is equivalent $ to eth?
People have no clue what's coming.
The only question is how long will my yacht be?
sILV2 was $188 30 minutes ago and now its $228 😆
2 eth
Depends how much you have to compensate I guess
(please be able to take a joke
)
Its gonna fly at DA day
I didn't realize that it was priced 1:1 with ILV for land sale so yeah SILV2 will rocket if that's the case

yeah, and buying ILV just increases sILV2 price at the end
I can see my sILV in when I connect my wallet to the website, how do I move this to metamask for land? Or will I not need to? Thanks for advice
I was about to go to sleep but now I won't be able too. Too excited lol
SILV2 price looks like we live in a simulation. Just mooning
We are in a live simulation.
It makes as much sense as anything else
Im with you bro 😉
sILV2 gets valued at the same as ILV for the land sale. Wasn't it considered fairly obvious that it would rise as we approach the land sale?
At least compared to ILV?
it is still good when you see it come true
Yes but dont forget Kyle, when it comes to organising a lot of this stuff nowadays @wicked oriole is doing some heavy lifting behind the scenes
wtf silv2 pumping 
I guess there are just so many aspects to this project that it went right over my head haha. Very cool though and good to know 👍
Aaron, any ETA when do u distribute ETH for SILV LPs?
I predict that the sun will rise tomorrow, as well.
i think it will sit at around 80% of ILV since you got to consider gasfees for swapping
How sure are you about this ?
One of these crazy conspiracy Theorien
No eta. It is done, for all intents and purposes but not released because we have to do some checks. It's only a very small group of people that will be able to claim it might not be something that gets a wide fanfare.
conspiracy theoden
50:50. It either will, or it won't. That's just logic.
true

this is probably gonna be one of those moments in a few weeks time we all say dam, wish I bought more sILV2 😆
50% crazy
do another 70% from this point on during the landsale 😄
Hi
Hello
I could live with that 
I don't understand the difference between the 1.5M and 150K numbers provided
I'm guessing 1.5M people subscribed to the newsletter and 150k registered for beta. But let's wait for Kieran to explain
Hello all! Is still open the registration for the land sale?
You'll just get updates in mail. There is no pre-sale or WL
right thats all my :Confirmations and Graduations done for this year Im good to go on the beta .....when the next batch going out again ?
hi, frens. is there any update on our sILV (not sILV2) but old ones?
thanks!
Soon 😉
Grrrrrr
Yeah Kieran said this earlier today I think.
sILV is not used anymore, if you had any you can claim sILV2 on the website
In IIP chat he said 1.5M
Yeah - this was him clarifying.
where is the price pour Silv? hahah only ETH ?
sILV2 is valued as ILV during the land sale
ok chef
where was this typo ....in the land newsletter email or somethng?
it says Tier 2 land twice
tier 2 : 6 eth
So is anybody else getting the vibe that we are about to enter a new euphoria phase in the crypto market?
only for ILV 😄
Only one that matters
would be nice but after land sale
Hopefully for ILV and ETH so I don’t get rekt by IL.
well, i have 35 silv as previous rewards. and never seen a option to convert/migrate them. yes, now i receiving silv2 but what about our silv?
hello guys
Question.....There was a talk looong ago about sILV beeing pegged to ILV for the land sale....does that still apply...? Plea lmk :)
Yes
Staking solves that pretty easily.
are this is a spam? -
Thank you :)
hello
This is legit
Go to Illuvium website and look under the exchange tab.
I thought so too at first, but then I had to fart.
Is that confirmed in some official way?
Moon soon 😉
I'm sorry, when was this comfirmed? Excuse my ignorance
About 3h ago
I have about 90% of my total net worth staked in Illuvium. Doesn’t mean I want to lose money to divergence.
How did you miss 10%?
I made too much on ethliz it threw me out of balance.
Been saying this for a while, yes.
He‘s Not a believer🙃
thank u!
Hello to all! I am new here! Will there be WL spots for the land sale?
No WL
Can not find anything here on the server in terms of WL info
No pre-sale / WL. Public Dutch Auction
No, and all DMs are scams! telling the chat you are new is a recipe for scams xD
UUpps, this was not my intention!
Is that email I got about the land sale legit?? Not a scam?
Yes
When is the sale
Date will be announced later this week
Seems like it is legit, awesome!
I was aware of Illuvium already a bit longer, but not aware of this Discord....🥴 ... I would have joined already earlier..
Can we already buy some Illuvium NFTs on OpenSea?
But you found it now, that's all that matters 
There are some promotional / cosmetic NFT's
All verified promo NFTs can be found through the following link:
Can they be used later on in the game?
The skins and emotes can be used but there is nothing you can buy that will give you and advantage once the game is launched
besides looking cooler
how to buy sILV?
Thanks!! 🙏
sILV is not used anymore. Only way to get sILV2 is to pick it as a staking reward or buy it from the unofficial pool on uniswap
I’m really hoping for one final capitulation before we start the track back up. I’m holding way too much FIAT right now.
can anyone help me in #❓❗〕community-help ?? ty
@lusty mantle I have a video dropping later today of 25 rounds in ILV beta, it'll help your fix i promise 🙂
Sorry fraggy, I simply do not see in the announcements, written, the fact about the peg.
You mean that sILV2 is pegged to the price of ILV?
Stakers can use sILV2 during the land sale. Other than that everybody gets equal chances
Can we still stake our nft
You can only stake ILV, you can't stake any NFT's
Ok
yes.
It is
Ok :)
what is an ethliz
Oh man, does this mean an ETH gas war?
NFT
Starting prices of the Dutch Auction are this high to avoid gas wars / botting
Where do I get the token address. Is the below link correct?
https://medium.com/illuvium/we-are-thrilled-to-announce-that-silv2-is-now-deployed-along-with-a-contract-that-allows-those-647b2c78451c
sILV2 token that is
You can find it in #🔗〕helpful-links
Hi
Hey
Starting price was also around the same for Otherside, a massive gas war still happened
tier 1 is 1 eth
Is the land auction going to be Dutch or English cause the video says Dutch but email I got says English
2 eth rather too much
Starting price for T1 is 2 ETH
even at dutch too expensive
Tier 1 - 4 is dutch. Tier 5 is english
@lusty mantle hey buddy
T1 - T4 Dutch - sILV2 or ETH
T5 English - ETH
Thank you
I love the smell of FOMO in the morning
Who
Is it only tier 5 land that is an auction, and the other tiers are all set prices?
If it will be possible to redeem 1 ILV with 1 sILV2, why the price is so far apart?
How many lands in total?
T1 - T4 Dutch Auction - sILV2 or ETH
T5 English Auction - ETH
Would it be more advantageous to use sILV2 or it won't matter?
sILV2 is more like gift card and ILV is governance/staking/revdis
When will I be able to swap 1 sILV2 for 1 ILV?
Never
total is 100k. this sale will be of 20k plots
never, gift cards cannot be exchanged for shares
Or by selling in open market for what they offer and buying ILV
But in game they will have the same value right? Meaning I will be able to buy an item that is priced at 10 ILV for example with 10 sILV2
Yes, but only to Illuvium. No P2P transactions
Hi
is the land price the same for silv2 as with eth (converted in dollars)
Land sale will in token or eth?
Theoretically yes, peer to peer transactions will be eth tho so buying an illuvial off someone will be eth only to my knowledge
<---
bros@@@@@ when does land minting date???????????
So what else will I be able to buy with it?
Mainly things like fuel and In game necessities to help you play the paid tiers.
hey watch out i'm new guy so i don't know about this discord
Everything that do not involved a p2p transactions.
Hello
hi
Land sale date will be announced later this week 
yeah i see it thanks
pb1 happening rn with more invites around the corner, land sale date coming in a matter of days, sILV2 pumping, illuvitars after land sale, pb2 will then follow to show off the amazing overworld... any one who doubts illuvium is about to swallow their words
Have I missed land sale?
So, if the value of silv2 and ilv is the same (in game) and the DA accepts silv2, that means that buy it with silv2 is much more convenient
No, date will be announced later this week
Will all the sales have the same prices as with the first sale?
Is it a Dutch auction?
Hello guys
Hello beauties
I thought I was told land sales would be in Silv2 not eth. Otherwise I wouldn't have claimed Silv2 post exploii
It’s both
You ser, sound like someone who also aped that sILV pool 🤌
Check the pinned messages in #🎮〕illuvium-zero
Yes
You can use sILV2 or ETH for T1 - T4
T5 is only ETH
Now I just gotta pray ILV price goes up while eth stays low lol
and hopefully t4 land drops to 50% 😛
Also, if silv2 will be used to buy land, and therefore it will be burned. Will ILV be burned too?
who's the sick one?!
Many people said prices were too low so they are changed to avoid botting and gas war
I know.. but still I wanted to take them cheaper 😂
Silv2 gets minted in place of ILV when claimed as staking reward. So it doesn't get burned exactly (just never created instead), but it does reduce the total ILV supply.
1 tier is best one or worst one???3
T1 is the lowest tier
wow 2 eth
Starts there and counts down to as low as 5% of that I believe
Didn't quite get it
There are 3M tokens that can be claimed when staking. You can claim it as ILV or sILV2.
Therefore is not burning but not getting minted
wait did they really say 2 eth mint price for tier 1?
Maximum 10 mil ILV. Every SILV2 that is made REPLACES an ILV token that would have otherwise been counted towards the total. Thus the overall ILV supply is lowered anytime someone claims SILV2
You wouldn't have gotten any because the sILV in circulation was > the total cost of all the lands on the highest price.
That is the starting price
whaat. for real?! and I literally have 0 silv
i want to play2earn not pay2win lol
ah dutch auction is it
Seriously, its the greatest win win of all time
and price goes 2.5% down each minute
Yes
Hi, im new here, where to read how to play the game?
!welcome
Welcome! Wondering where to get started?
The #🔗〕helpful-links and #814084157713940482 sections have everything you need. From a brief overview to links that lead to highly detailed information.
Also, be sure to check out these channels in the discord to stay up to date:
Game isn't out yet, but Closed beta has just started. Open beta looks to be more like June/July-ish I guess.
Got it, so burning silv2 won't necessarily reduce ILV supply, at least not in a direct way
Did anyone calculate how much RevDis 1 ILV would be get when it sells out and each one is bought at lowest price?
The creation of the silv2 (in place of ILV) is what reduces the ILV supply.
For every 1 SILV2 minted, there is 1 LESS ILV counted towards the total supply.
Once the SILV2 is spent, then it just completes the cycle as it's removed from the ecosystem.
Good
I saw this before, maybe check the pinned messages in #🎮〕illuvium-zero
👋
Will overworld be realeased in pb2?
This game is gonna be way too good for the whole gaming industry. Holy smokes
🙏
some nice insider trading there teams and VC's
Coreect, the plan is to release a limited overworld experience in private beta 2
Hi, don't you have contact support?
Contact about what
I am currently listing your website to a web3 platform. Can you help me?
I just need token address of a certain smart contract
Token address can be found in #🔗〕helpful-links
Spending sILV2 is deflationary?
I can't wait anymore! let me play!!!!
Sure you can
no ser, im getting desperate. LET ME IN
Lemme think about it
we need open beta plz 
Let's get more people in the private beta first
Wait so it’s 2 eth for tier one land
Think for me to 😂😂😂
Starting price of the DA, yes
Technically it's creation(mint) is the deflationary mechanism.
What’s the minimum
Mother of God, I'm even more bullish now.
4.79%
Minimum ILV would be 7mil since there is a maximum of 3mil tokens reserved as staking rewards. More realistically ILV will end up with a total supply of something like 8-9 million
Like 4,79 % less? Or down to 4.79 of 2 eth
I know illuvium is a really big project but 2ETH+ for land is insane 😅
4.79% of 2 ETH is min for T1
I need the contract address of your:
- Payout address
- Burning Address
- Treasury Address
- Other forms of useful contract address (at least 3).
Email should have said Auction Starting Prices not Land Prices.
Alr bet
Please scroll up to read discussion. 2eth is Dutch auction starting price that lowers over time
Do we have to register for land sale? I just got an email with a "register for land" botton? Legit or scam?
Please post this question #814313779696238642. Somebody will get back to you
It's legit but it just means you'll get updates in mail about the land sale. There is no pre-sale / WL
Ty
okay thanks dude. But if i got this email, i`ve already registered for opdates lol😜
Rofl
where chines chat
@inner topaz how many people outside the illuvium team know the landsale date?
2 eth for a land??????
seems its likely very soon based on these trades
I partly wish there was some randomness factor with regards to land tiers, the way it's designed all the higher tiers can only be afforded by whales. Am I missing something?
Land sale date will be announced this week
yeah some people already know when it is
Its DA
or you dont have silv price double in an hour
how can I buy SIlv2?
An email has been send out saying land sale date will be announced this week. This probably caused the pump
Wasnt it cause of announcement?
- last #📣〕announcements
trades started prior to the announcement and an announcement of an announcement doesnt cause a pump. Land sale within 2 weeks im sure and kieran is already telling his buddies (or just telling them to buy)
Sooooo tier one land is like pointless ? Cause those stats are ass 😂
0
Trades actually started right when the email was send out
I don't even know it. So no one knows
where can i find more information about land?
!land
There is no set date for the first land sale. The land sale will be announced in #📣〕announcements when the date has been confirmed. Illuvium: Zero is a mobile mini-game that will interact with the main game. Illuvium: Zero will be a base building game staged on a piece of land. Paid land will produce Fuel ERC20 tokens and Blueprints, interacting with the main game. There will be 100k plots of paid land in total, and the first land sale will offer 20k of these plots for sale in a dutch auction format. All in-game development on land will be wiped when Illuvium launches. For more information, visit #🎮〕illuvium-zero
alright fair
It will be decided shortly
i believe mate. just salty i got rekt lping
It will be one tier at a time tho right ?
any ilv pump is good with me 🙂
Into what?
yeah i'm looking how much pieces tier 3 land there will be out of the 20K
rekt into holding shitty eth 😄
Check the pinned messages in #🎮〕illuvium-zero
Multiple tiers at a time
@inner topaz you mentioned in the AMAs you're tying to prevent whales from buying up all the land and other in-game assets. Looking at the current land tiers, it looks like only whales can afford the higher tiers. Just trying to understand how the current land prices will prevent whales from accumulating all tier 4s and 5s
In batches
use the eth to bid on t5
datara 👀 
Did i??
Whoever can afford it will own land. It was always structured that way since the beginning.
It might not have been AMA, but it was during the chat you had with your head of marketing, you said something like "in other games whales come in and buy up everything"
Maybe this was more related to not releasing illuvial NFTs or other nfts before launch (which is what would actually give whales an advantage).
Doesn't seem like something I would say. I would usually say the method by which we have used will give everyone a chance to buy at what is the fair market value. And we don't need to whitelist things because the revenue goes back to the people staked in the protocol anyway
Land doesn't actually give whales an advantage in main illuvium game. It's just an earning mechanism that essentially generates ETH.
Maybe to do with whitelists?
I just hope kieran and the other whales will leave some lands for us at lower prices 😄
Yea that's it, it was regarding whitelists. Thanks for clarifying.
He can just buy one for us?
unlimited access to better Illuvials?
Let's do an IIP on that! 😄
Count me in!
Perhaps a Mod of the Month award, T1 land.
Rofl now they all start to react
<@&952749578485112853>
@potent oak
Overworld UI is getting there!
We will upgrade the podium under the characters of course 🙂 @little flax All this things in one travel? And in 8 minutes?
No promises
If someone's intentions are to make ETH to buy Illuvials on Illuvidex, there are better investments than land tbh.
Hmmm so pelican, Arash or DP2 🤔
Are they? How so?
if I cant get my desired land I will cry, cos i all in silv2 and staked nothing
what?
The UI looks stunning!
No idea

but the lands also can be bought with eth right? what is the difference between using eth or silv2?
That is Kieran saying get back to work 
This is just to show the UI not traveling or catching
but does having better land give you access to farm better illuvials whenever you want? like without a travel fee
One does not tell Florian to work, he's already doing it

I'm not even sure you could stop him from working
About the last leak from grant? If in 8 minutes we can catch so many things
Alt + F4
what do you mean by "stop"?
I'm trying to understand why not just have a fixed land price, KYC to mint, and reveal happen after, max # of lands per wallet, e.g. what Yuga did (given it was a bit of a disaster due to gas wars). I think the current price structure basically ensures all higher tiers will be scooped up by ETH whales.
Hello, everyone.. Launch beta is open?
Isn't it normal that people who can afford better buy the higher tiers?
then that is their value. Buy a tier 1
The whales would get them anyway because they’d hammer on gas
At least this way the money goes into illuvium and people staked in the ecosystem benefit
We literally WANT the high tiers to be bought near the top price with eth
The problem with Yuga is they didn't know the price. No one can know the price. Unless you run something like a dutch auction. Then the market determines the price over time
It’s better to redistribute the money that would otherwise have gone to gas
That might price you out of a tier 4 or tier 3, or land altogether, but its irrelevant, thats what the market deems fair value
Can someone explain how the lands work, or is there a document I can read up on this please?
No. Scanning an illuvial only allows it to be used as part of a crafting schematic. It does NOT give one an Illuvial NFT.
Illuvi dex will be on immutablex?
!land
There is no set date for the first land sale. The land sale will be announced in #📣〕announcements when the date has been confirmed. Illuvium: Zero is a mobile mini-game that will interact with the main game. Illuvium: Zero will be a base building game staged on a piece of land. Paid land will produce Fuel ERC20 tokens and Blueprints, interacting with the main game. There will be 100k plots of paid land in total, and the first land sale will offer 20k of these plots for sale in a dutch auction format. All in-game development on land will be wiped when Illuvium launches. For more information, visit #🎮〕illuvium-zero
!land
Best case scenario: people mint a heap of sILV2 in prep for land sale (burning heaps of ILV) then the whales buy all the land near top price with ETH anyway and revdis pops off 
No need to repeat a command that just got posted
sorry bro lol
Illuvidex is the front end and IMX is the backend
So no gas on illuvidex?
So the email about land drop is for Illuvium:Zero?
Correct. No gas on any IMX transactions
Wow sILV price sky rocketed
Ima gonna have a drink ill read all this tomorrow
Yes
and the cheapest one is 2eth?
Omg
Starting price for the Dutch Auction for T1 is 2 ETH, correct
Cheapest could end up being 0.1 eth, its a dutch auction
Why does it also say 6eth on the line above it for the same tier?
WTF is this crazy Land prices O_o
Ilv go down ,silv2 go up
My literal highest I ever was .5
There is a typo, T1 is 2 ETH, T2 is 6 ETH
Time to call my whale friend to buy so I can mooch off of them
It's an Dutch Auction, price goes down over time
Still. 2 eth for tier 1 as a starting price O_o
Pray people don’t know about it when it happens
Do people just do no reading before they come in here and start firing nonsence 😆
Ah ok, thank you
They have to start too high to avoid botting and gas wars
Hopefully people mess their bots up and buy instantly
I'm not productive at work today, that's for sure
Question: Why will All in-game development on land will be wiped when Illuvium launches?
So everybody has a fair and equal start
So after the main game launches is there any utility of zero?
What's the old sILV to sILV2 migrate link again?
You can find it on the website under the exchange tab
sooo where can i get a bot lol
How many tiers are there?
5
Check the pinned messages in #🎮〕illuvium-zero
Its okay, ive seen you in here for months, you are very patient and do a great job
I mean my real job 😅
Is 1 the lowest tier or the highest?
the mining fiat job
It’s the lowest
Illuvium Zero produces fuel, this is needed in the main game
disagree kyc is bad. Also the main functions of having the auction is to prevent a gas war and generate revenue if a bot/ whales do for some reason buy everything at max price that is the best possibly outcome for the dao and the stakers
Illuvium > job
Jesus, so tier one is 2 eth?! Is tier 5 gonna be 30 eth?!
Ok sweet, let me do some more research, thanks for answering
Oh boy just you wait
Tier 5 is gonna be a lot more
Guess I’ll just stay poor lol
try 300 eth
why so high?
sILV2 to the moonge
because there are only 2? Very limited supply lol
There is only 2 tier 5?
yes
2 out of?
I think, lemme check
there is 7 tier 5. This land sale will only contain 2
Why even have a 5th tier then
7
only 7 lands?
it will be to host tournaments etc
They have an Arena
Ah
@red crater what tier(s) are you gunning for
I am goin g for one T4 land
I have 500 sILV2 ready so might buy some smaller ones also
Damn fair play man
Got 80 silv2 locked and loaded so hoping for a tier 3 + maybe a tier 1
Hope we make it
good luck bro
sILV2 price over ILV price would be funny
hopefully we are located close to eachother 😉 @gusty briar
hey guys!
what is the contract for the sIVL2 token and where could I find it?
It seems I’m the poorest among all 😂
Haha yeah mate, let’s hope we’re neighbours
I’ve got only 10 silv2
you can find the contract in #🔗〕helpful-links
thank you!
2 eth for the lowest tier of land? Jesus
It's dutch auction, they wont all get sold for 2 ETH. Price will go down
untilll it reaches a price most people feel comfortable at
Minimum price will be 0.096Eth. Which is very much doable dont you agree?
sILV2 price is pumping. Went from $165 to $300 just from the date coming announcement. Nuts!!!
The problem is will it get that low lol
What? silv is around 0,02 USD WHAT TOU TALKIG ABIUT?
Silv2 is 300
Gm ! Is it or will it still be possible to mint genesis collection ?
There is no genesis collection
Welcome! Wondering where to get started?
The #🔗〕helpful-links and #814084157713940482 sections have everything you need. From a brief overview to links that lead to highly detailed information.
Also, be sure to check out these channels in the discord to stay up to date:
so its a Dutch auction type land sale right???
For T1 - T4, yes
hmm and t5 auction??
English Auction
so the starting price is 2Eth then will go down to ??
Lowest it can go is around 0.09
ohhh cool so we do have a microscopic chance to get one??
and what's lowest T4 will go?
4.79% of 80
anyone see the recent ama with aaron and scoriox? At the very end they talk about how the in game yield reward pool is set to run out in three years. I feel like this defs has to change
Oh sorry, wrong chat ! It was for fancy birds. Mhh actually I have nother question, will there be a mint for iluvium character ?
Only way to get Illuvials is by playing the game
nah u play the game catch them in game
So we have to be wl to participate to the game isn't it ?
No WL or pre-sale in Illuvium. Everybody starts equal
ty fraggy
hey guys
@lusty mantleso they will announced the date and ETH for each tier later ??
No Wl or presale!
music to my ears!!
hey guys am i too late for land sale
Oh ok cause there was so many annoucnements that I didnt follow up the whole thing. But the game didn't started yet, am I right ?
Prices can be found in the pinned messages in #🎮〕illuvium-zero
Date will be announced later this week
!land
There is no set date for the first land sale. The land sale will be announced in #📣〕announcements when the date has been confirmed. Illuvium: Zero is a mobile mini-game that will interact with the main game. Illuvium: Zero will be a base building game staged on a piece of land. Paid land will produce Fuel ERC20 tokens and Blueprints, interacting with the main game. There will be 100k plots of paid land in total, and the first land sale will offer 20k of these plots for sale in a dutch auction format. All in-game development on land will be wiped when Illuvium launches. For more information, visit #🎮〕illuvium-zero
Correct
yooo i hate dutch auctions 
why is that
its hard to determine when to enter
and the gas get high coz of that
It's spread over 3 days, you can just check what other people are paying
general consensus is crypto projects that use dutch auctions hope everything is sold for top dollar. The possibility of price going down means nothing when you have everyone willing to fomo in like Pixelmon (this game will be lightyears better than Pixelmon btw). Also gatekeeping your top tier land to whales aint a good look. Making the most money takes priority over gamer experience. Not to say they don't care about the players because of course they have to. That money just come first. With that being said the landscapes and creatures look dope and I do believe the game will succeed but the ceiling is pretty obvious. This is a competitive game and if you're playing a competitive game you want to be the best. You can't be the best here without paying transactions, turning away millions at the door. Illuvial will have a niche audience and that's ok. Pay for power games rarely hit mass adoption and if they do it aint sustained very long.
Because starting price was too low for Pixelmon, Dutch Auction only works if you do it correct. Like KingFrogs
the higher the better? when everyone is trying to fomo so they dont miss out... ion know chief
Land will not impact your ability to be awesome at this game.
if people buy land at max price here, their ROI will be insanely low
im sure resources influence your experience in capturing illuvials
FOMO would be too low starting prices and everybody just insta buys causing a gas war.
Sure, you will have to grind more if you don't have $$$, but a whale with a full deck will suck against skill every time.
Fucking Kingfrogs, I waited until the exact right moment and sniped 20 Frogs at the bottom of the DA before gas spiked hard. But secondary price NEVER reached that price again so i'm stuck with these bags for ages already
like as u have diff pokeballs in pokemon
Well they didn't bring any utility after the mint but the Dutch Auction was good 😄
Is there an exact release date for the land sale?
true
It will be announced later this week
i see DA as a cash trap so i mostly avoid such sales
We had this discussion multiple times and most community members agreed this was the most fair way to avoid bots and gas wars
that is correct but the value at the beginning is quite diff. then the later ones as @zenith seal said
I have no idea what you just said
recently i saw this happen with IONS project which started with 1.5Eth
What happens?
they did DA mint at 1.5Eth and now their FP is not even .9eth pple keep under listing each other
I want a beta game, not some hypothetical land
Will the land sale dutch auction be open for everyone
Got it
Yes
I'm no expert so idk what other avenues they could have taken to avoid gas war. Others have so I figured the industry would just copy paste. All I'm saying is I was a lot more excited a year ago before the economy details came out.
No need to buy land to enter