#💬〕general
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Not sure I´m following you, Anyway I don´t want to cope the chat for more. already late
As in education on the difference
Education will come in some time, I don´t think it is Illuvium fault or responsability to educate people. Rn web3/NFT equals scam for a lot of people, token price equals game success for another bunch of people. I don´t really think that now is the moment to convince people, specially with no open product
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Agreed, that's my point.
If I transfer my game assets to another wallet do I lose my game progress? In regards to illuvium zero?
Check in #🎮〕illuvium-zero
Do you mean for the previous or upcoming waves?
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Do we have info about why we keep drilling bottoms? Team selling those 87k unlocked tokens?
as far as I'm aware the supply is what is there. The wave has ended so no more will be sold, other than on secondary. Does that answer your question?
Telloooo
I'm extremely busy lately burning my arms and hands on resin/epoxy
Please feel more sorry for me than my husband does
I sold 100k tokens for $20 all at once, might be my fault soz
In all seriousness though, I just realised there's 10 million tokens so even if I had 100,000 of them it's still fuckin nothing. HotDamn
i feel very sorry for you, you work so hard.
lets work out how we are going make this purchase?
I do. I haven't worked for 25 years until this year in which I have worked for 8 minutes
We will meet up
thats a whole 8 minutes out of your life, its important.
sounds good.
How far is Byron from Noosa
I can bring the van down and stay at your house for roughly 6 months uninvited
a fare amount of hours, 3 hours to brisbane.
yay!
I mean that's not that bad. To save $25 in postage
What we could do is, buy complete outfits, and pose in them in photos in the Illuvicaravan, and then post them all over here, and then wait and see if anybody cares or notices, and then be disappointed when literally nobody does.
lol, thats bound to happen.
What channel did the cinematic screenshot get dropped in?
Couldn't find it in there. It's going around on Twitter I was just curious to see if anything else got leaked with it
i dont know sorry
All g 👍
what is going on lol
Landsales selling disks. I'm not sure what else
Thanks for that. I wasn't sure if the next wave accessories would be the same.
I think there are some other promo one offs, now I think about it. I don't know if I'd include land, because it's part of the game.
can we get bruce buffer to introduce the first illuvium tournament ?
they cant. Its printed everywhere. best they can do is work around the lore. we all know the "ETH" was ethereum the token
Followed by a space then your text
like so
If you dm me I’ve got a discord support page you should see
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Oh
It’s fine
Lol
Nvm
I thought it would be blocked. But it’s whitelisted. Since it’s discord
Thank you!

peter called the raise and still go lower
But who is that deleted user? Lol
can u see deleted user name?
Not that one. Too old of an illuvium discord member.
too old?
🤐
Yeah. Prior to membership logs. I think.
What are you going on about? Are you drunk now?
Oooh thanks. Ill be able to use this a lot

lol its bobbie aka cristel
Gm
and you dont really care about them as well
it is what it is
old man yelling at clouds vibe
does the cinematic any eta? I can't see it in the roadmap pic 
its the way of human nature
do you really care that millions of children die of hunger
you eat well
sleep well
laugh live love
you dont
Should be close to Open Beta as its part of the marketing around it
Well i dont know how you use the word "care". Do you feel empathy? sure, everyone does. Sympathy in there as well
But to care is to do smething about it
If you jsut go about your day
you dont care
I guess, but that a cop out answer, because you can do more and you know but you dont. Anyway its semantics
or autistic
careful in projecting demons and sociopaths
kek
What the heck are you talking about here?
and we circle back to the beginning of the conversation
its human nature
we dont really care
Running out of coffee on a sunday morning is just.... Have no words for it 😔
neighbours got some
knock and the door will be open
You haven't met Swiss people yet, huh
the main word is "really", since you opened the statement with "they dont REALLY care". They care but not really amarite
i have actually kek
anyways im off
ok feels like i was talking to a wall
no probs
its a troll or on heavy meds. mve on
ok i got a few more mins
bro relax
go to the food channel and condemn them for not sharing with africa
or something idk
oh shiiii
jaganite new name?
its cristel trying to prove a point
Speaking of food. Just saw a commercial for this at KFC and might get it for dinner tomorrow
So much food its going to be glorious
breakfast/lunch/dinner.supper
Nah thats just dinner
Ah
wicked wings bruh
yah 1 for each meal
fortunately kfc fries is sht
Are they?
ive never had their fries before
I actually havnt even eaten at KFC in like ad ecade
wht do u eat them with
but this box looks amazing
is that scones
biscuits
biscuit and gravy
biscuits look dry
Only thing that SJud saw. I will beat you. 
nah they're good
its instant biscuit
hahaha
i see alot of proteinz ser 👍
good thing im fat
i cant fit into the ducting
but still need to clean the grease trap
I am not.
u have been exposed demon
reveal urself!
where can ı find the beta code
i.e weigh a ton
hi guys
Hi.
everybody got money to an extend, so everybody is rich right
your either rich or 0.00
Go to #1038034977864032276 and get the twitter raider role.
Then go to #1075137668821823628 and fill out the form.
You should get the code in a few days
glass walls amarite
yeah it makes no sense
because your not smart
thats what it means
dont throw stones at intelligence when you clearly lacking kek
how can you have Ron as your pfp
demon, sociopath, home schooled, bigot
any other words u wanna throw out kek
oh and im just playing synix
if u worrying about hating or smnt
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Who is ron
I am good. I am waiting for a rule breaker
IRS got him
wtf is going on to our beloved discord
Wow
says you
New name
kekw
there just wanted to give u a rule break 
keep feeding the troll guys gj
in demonology
It's not a rule breaker. More like uninformed and I show you the right please to post it 😉
ikr
inform us daddi
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No religion pls
whats that
"Pls" is short for please and is used as a nice Way to ask for something
im gonna order double cheese buttger with extra cheese slice and caramelized onion
Hey guys, is there a reason ilv is dropped below $40
People sold
People selling > people buying
So no news or problems with the game?
Hello, is there a replay available of "economic v2" from 06/16? 3 weeks after the live broadcast I can't find anything.
I would like to understand precisely how the illuvium team will finance itself in the future before investing more but it is quite difficult to find clear information
I'm sure the mods will explain you
is it because of the excess token rewards?
hi. there are two ways to finance future growth.
- Treasury revdis (10% of revenue)
- Sell treasury token
kieran planned to do a mega raise when the market recovers, so i reckon there will be more treasury selling
u can find more token related discussion in #💰〕token
hey can you check your DMs 🙂
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rules?
we say sc@m
ok ty, and do you know what's happen when they sell D1sk or land on the primary market? is it added directly to "Revdis"? That is to say that when they sell D1sk the rate of the apr for the stacking of ilv increases?
ICCP-3 Revenue Distribution Decisions aimed to ensure sustainable revenue distribution for the long-term operation of the DAO, and to provide clear expectations for $ILV stakers. Future product proposals should adhere to the relevant distribution definitions.
Summary:
For products with negligible variable costs, 100% of revenue will be distributed.
For products with non-negligible variable costs, 100% of revenue minus variable costs will be distributed.
For more detailed information, please read the full ICCP: https://gov.illuvium.io/#/proposal/0x245e440c3b517a0b7a7ff11c2c038cfd96c503ab9cbf3e593bd8d7c73cd07fae
Evening Illuvium
currently all the revenue is retained in a safety pool until we have $5m. the safety pool ensures runway. the staking APR is not part of revdis, and it will end in 2024
if you are planning to claim the APR in ILV token, note that it will be locked for 12 months. so i would half the APR to get real APR
ok thank you
Hi all
Uh, why?
Wrong chat my Bad .. sorry
Sheesh how do you find token like that 😮
Please use #1023650415893545031
How to get beta access code ?
Go to #1038034977864032276 and get the twitter raider role.
Then go to #1075137668821823628 and fill out the form.
You should get the code in a few days
this way isnt working
Why is it not working?
or should i do it every few days ? at what interval?
I still don't have the code)
soon it will be 2 weeks since I filled out the form
You fill out the form ones. And then wait for the email.
Check the spam folder. Should be from beta@illuvium.io
A lot of people are on vacation right now. Please give them a bit more time.
And remember it's a private beta. They will add people over time. Not daily.
ok)
because ILV reward is locked for 12 months
or claim in sILV2 and get 20% discount (it was 40% discount pre d1sk)
That isn’t an answer to why you would “halve the APR”
what is
I honestly don’t know. You’re the one who said there is a “real apr”. Compounding changes the apr. reduced instantaneous rewards changes the apr.
I was hoping you could explain to me how tokens being locked halves the apr. Unless this is just an arbitrary feel-based statement? I withdraw the question if that’s the case.
But if there is some math, I would love to understand.
Maybe it is a projected 1 year price forecast?

lets say i stake $1000 worth of ILV for 12 months at 120% apr.
in 3 months i claim $300 worth of ILV. i cant realize that 30% gain (120% annualized) because it is locked for 12 months, so my real APR on that claim would be 90%).
then i claim again in 3 months after the first claim, this time my real APR would be 60%. Then i claim again for 3rd time in 3 months after the 2nd time, my real APR on that claim would be 30%, and so on.
i just simplified it and call it halved.
1st claim
3 months of accumulating reward + 12 months of lock = 15 months
2nd claim
6 months of accunulalting reward + 12 months of lock = 18 months
3rd claim
9 months of accumulating + 12 months = 21 months
4th claim
12 months of accumulating + 12 months locked = 24 months
realizing the $300 claim now, meaning sell, would make the 120%, but since i have to wait for 15 months to realize it, im getting lower real APR
we can compare this to term deposit. you can realize the interest on your term deposit after 3 months in full amount
or binance earn where u can realize your interest everyday
Then, as stated above, I withdraw my question.
Hello everyone🤗
Admin I admire the work you're doing here in Illuvium Project, it's truly inspiring.
The thought of having the opportunity to speak with you and explore potential ways to join your team as a community manager/moderator.
Is that something you're open to? I'd love to discuss this further.
Please who can I DM my CV/Resume to?
Good night illuvium 🙂
jobs are posted on the website
ser uve only been discord member for 2 weeks
GN 🫡
hello, i'm interested in a scholarship, any offers ? pls 😌
polemos
?!
polemos was planning to offer scholarship
Like the other 2 i wrote to and never got an answer?
Is there even someone right now with a scholarship playing?
I want to give my feedback regarding the Overworld. I cannot understand why people consider it boring. Sure, currently it isn't really exciting. But, this is because we cannot catch real Illuvials. Eventually what matters is auto battler PvP. I believe in the team and the hole project. Don't get distract by OW and Beyond and the few people moaning about it. I think it is great and I am excited how PvP will be 😉
If overworld start to be multiplayer + catching monster in their environment that’s gonna be crazy
That is a long way to go. How to balance and matchmaking...? I think auto battler PvP give ultimate depth to the game
u wrote what?
*whole
I wrote: i know nothing, but i wana play your plot and get 100% of all Profit it will make
what
what
what
spam
Can anyone recommed a mobile NFT game?
illuvium zero
I cant find it in my country
Anything else?
you have to buy the plot nft to play the alpha
I dont have to download it from the app store?
its not on the app store
its still testing
Oh ok
But still do you know any other good NFT games?
I dont want to invest any money to play it
bye

How about just buying nfts and holding them for utilities
Oh man
Hi there guys! Is there somebody with a spare invite? Please drop me a PM 🙂
What are you talking about exactly? And invite to what?
beta codes?
Yeah. Heard some people might have a code leftover from last sale. I'd love to join personally being an experienced gamer and blockchain enthusiast

Go to #1038034977864032276 and get the twitter raider role.
Then go to #1075137668821823628 and fill out the form.
You should get the code in a few days
For beta access you’ll need a code that looks like this: "xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx" once you have the code just go to https://play.illuvium.io/beta/redeem and input that code to gain access to Overworld and Arena Beta.
Immerse yourself into a diverse alien ecosystem. Explore fantastic biomes riddled with extraordinary flora and fauna. Scale misty mountain peaks, cross toxic deserts, and fight your way out of crystal labyrinths. Lift the veil of time and discover the secrets of a fallen world that you now call home.
Beware of scams in DMs. I may have a beta code somewhere though…
That would be great! Thanks for your responces tho. If you manage to find that code, would be much appreciated

You two do love to roll out the red carpet for new discord members.
Somebody has to do it
them as greeters, are we sure the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse aren'te a better option? 🤣
Mods can feel free to be more active and greet people 😉
i was told people like me
Mods probably like it more when you don't talk, then they don't have to read
why
🤐
every message is extra work
MILVGA
MILVGA
no
milf ga?
Bye Shabby
I sometimes feel mods are the only ones that know how to read.
Do you need a hug?
Thanks for hard work 😉
Im at your service 
What if there are more mods than chatters
How many mods do you see?
🙂
damn
bear market hits hard
10 mods left
well gl synix
10 that has that role. But not 10 mods
do u pull straw
is blickter still modding?
Wouldn’t say “need”, but it is always appreciated.
My kids are on a holiday from their holiday so I’m alone for a few days to get some work done.
You can have your hug when your work is done
Hello!
What was the price that land tiers were sold during the auction? Where can I find that info?
I want 🤣
T1 about 0.6
holyf its 0.17
lol wth

Where can you even see those prices? Can't find it on opensea
Illuvidex in #🔗〕helpful-links
Oh u have your own marketplace.
I thought it was on Ethereum. What is that? Layer 2?
yea imx
First time I hear it 😁
The imx gas is paid with eth?
IMX has no gas fee 😉
Moving from and to L2 IMX is payed with ETH, yes
Are lands useful right now?
Or why they dumped in price?
You can play the alpha test from the game illuvium zero and you can get blueprints from playing.
You can mint them later before the open beta starts.
From the Blueprints you can make skins.
And the element sites and fuel sites do they have any rarity themselves? If so , can I find it somewhere because didn't see something in wp
Or all the same
I would check out this video. It explain a lot about illuvium zero https://youtu.be/l6Eit_SbC6g
Illuvium: Zero is a free-to-play, industrial building game, available on mobile, PC and Mac. Players build their own virtual industrial complex to collect essential elements, precious fuel, and unique blueprints on Illuvium land.
🏗️ LEARN MORE about Illuvium: Zero: http://link.illuvium.io/playzeronow
ABOUT THE GAME
Illuvium is building the wor...
Earning (selling fuel) will come with open beta.
So it's more like testing the game plus scanning for blueprints
Message above⬆️
So, tier 1 land that doesn't have all the 3 fuel sites, would be impossible to upgrade your buildings without buying those from marketplace , correct?
You can convert them in-game
Here’s some data on that, for those interested. The floor mint for each batch does not mean everyone paid that price. But yeah it’s pretty close to accurate.
Can I also find the info of how many illuvium tokens were on circulation when the price hit ATH vs how many are now? Because I saw there Is a bit APY % on pools
Big*
ATH had only about 650,000 tokens in circulation. You can extrapolate this by looking at market cap on the ATH day and diving if by the token price on ATH day.
APY was much higher back then.
We are about at the arrow today. This shows amount of ILV tokens being distributed to stakers every two weeks in each bar.
And I missed that😢
I was mostly in the lower APR ILV only pool back then. 
Same. But I have now 4ilv as a reward now
With around 2$ per day😁
Nice, and after bar 88 or so, what happens ? It stops producing more ?
thx, should it be pinned in iz?
Correct. Yield farming ends in July 2024
Probably. I may have included it in a big combined info pin I did awhile back. I’ll check it later.
What was already included in this pinned post (the MINT PRICES one) is an image I actually consider to be a better one.
Do you know what the max supply is ?
There have been and continue to be a few other unlock/mint streams. The last will probably be the in-game yield (1m of the 4m for yield) which could be slowly distributed for years.
CoinGecko does. 10m minus whatever rewards are minted as sILV2
https://staking.illuvium.io/ has some interesting info
Thanks
Hello everyone
⤵️
If you're looking for a place to start, you'll find everything you need in the #🔗〕helpful-links and #814084157713940482 sections. From quick overviews to in-depth information, these channels have it all.
Additionally, keep up to date by checking out these channels in the Discord:
#✍〕rules
#📣〕announcements
#❓〕faq
#🚰〕leaks
Thanks i am new just joint
That's a welcome🔥
G
M
yoo
Have you guys played the alpha yet?
you mean IZ? yes
when will latest month dev blog go out?
Does anyone have a beta code? I got a friend that’s interested in illuvium.
Hello people
disapeared for a few months due to crazy weather and problems but now i'm back kinda
Are we still looking at having public beta this year?
Get Twitter roll and sign up for #1075137668821823628
Unfortunately no
eth is expensive but also secure
2nd Place 👀 yall betta watch out
Hi, Where does this black pic come from?
That’s something keiran posted in chat.
I don’t know why exactly he had it made. But my guess is that it was part of the pitch to Framework. I could definitely be wrong about why.
Got that, thanks! But why the NFTs will still on ImmutableX? Because migration from X to the zkEVM will be tough(Based on different languages)?
can i purchase an ilv land on opensea?
No
Okay, thanks.
whats going on with the game, i feel like no dev updates are being done anymore?
having some issues in zero, says i have no builders but nothing is building its been stuck like this for a while
And you’ve made sure to tap the finished job to close that out?
Have you reported the bug to #❓❓〕support
no will now
yes
there are people selling on opensea
but u have to migrate the token to IMX to play it
Have you tried logging out and restarting?
0/1 is correct for an idle builder, it will show 1/1 when you put them to work. I expected the opposite at first....in case you're in the same boat
there is an official illuvium land collection on opensea
I’ve heard that might not even be true. But have not witnessed proof of mainnet land plots in game.
ive checked it with pedro, and jeff sold his 3x3 mega there
Yeah for sure.
0x0691f5804d4227925f19b031821b530b48fff38f
That’s the proper address for the illuvium minted
If only I could say it and make it so
yea thats pedro's
Gm frens 
I don't feel magic
When he wakes up hell give some morning magic
bears sleep less)
are there anything to do to highten your chance of getting into the beta ?
Go to #1038034977864032276 and get the twitter raider role.
Then go to #1075137668821823628 and fill out the form.
You should get the code in a few days
It's that time of day again
Please make sure you keep up your ends of the bargain ppl
Anyone else having issues with IMX transfers? Tried tokentrove/illuvidex/illuvialmaster and getting the same 'Transfer batch error' message
Try to log out on all of them and log in on only one.
afternoon all
Thanks for the suggestions but same thing (tried different browsers also) - i've contacted IMX support
Hi @glossy elm
When you have a bit of time.
Can you post the monthly update. We would appreciate it. 
Thank you
Adding it to my To Do list, getting rekt atm
Take your time. No stress
I'll get an update out tomorrow, nps
If there is one thing I love talking about, it's progress
hi is there any openings in illuvium ?
You mean job openings?
yes job openings
thanks buddy

helloo there. i have kinda of a problem. i cant connect my wallet to illuvium.Although it doesnt identify my metamask, i created a gamestop wallet. it worked but it got stuck at the 2nd step. it loads forever at the confirm page.any suggestionsss?
Are you using both wallet extensions simultaneously? If so, disable any other extensions besides MetaMask, as this can cause overlapping requests and prevent the wallet from connecting
im so confused
how come the team has time to develop illuvitars, redo the entirety of ILZ, spend tons of times on a gazillion rocks and plants in overworld, focus on merch etc... literally anything but making THE ACTUAL GAME
It truly is confusing
everything else is just EXTRA, in order to be able to play the real game which is the autobattler
so how come 90% of the focus isnt on that particular goal, with 10% focus on all the random extra nonsense?
Take this with a grain of salt but my assumption is because these are handled by different departments. What makes beyond? Art team (which they completed long ago) and the web devs (a different dev team from those working on arena or overworld).
Just cause you see a different department working on another part of the overall project doesn't mean the team isn't focused on working on arena/pvp.
Totally different story if we need more devs working on it or not. I don't have visibility or a clue on that.
its obvious the team isnt FOCUSSED on arena, its an afterthought at this point
we've had a working pve for over a year now
the only thing that had to be done was to make a simple deckbuilder and to make both sides player instead of just one side
it really cant be that difficult
web team are working on the deckbuilder.
arena team has been on pvp for 10 months, and prior to that survival
the people currently working on Illuvitars have nothing to do with PvP or its process
so why is there barely any progress for a year now on the arena side?
even the promised showcase of about 2 months ago that got cancelled last second hasnt been done yet?
Anyone that would be working on more than one part of the project, (like a backend engineer) works to the prioritiess
and priority 0 is PvP
yeah maybe now, after spending all the time first on all the other stuff
so not a single person is working on anything other than PvP if they could be of use to PvP 🙂
I think the issue Smartass has is that PvP was not priority 0 for a long time
Because yes as of now it is priority 0
if only that would have happened a year ago
instead of wasting all that time on merch and illuvitars
and collections
A year ago - a backend engineer couldn't work on PvP for example - since it wasn't playtested, designed or built.
I'm sure if we did nothing else, we would be further ahead on PvP, but it wouldn't be vastly further forward IMO
It's your opinion that PVP is the most essential part of Illuvium working. IMO it all needs to work together, Overworld needs to be fun and engaging enough to get people to care about the Illuvials and PVP is the end goal. The journey in obtaining the Illuvials and narrative/story matter, at least in my opinion. The team and Grant specially has been vocal recently acknowledging they know they have a way to go on the final vison for everything. I agree some PVP demo or showcase would be great when it's ready for viewing.
It’s probably best if you don’t speak about things for which you don’t know anything. The hold up with Arena has always been the backend, which is technically complex and important to get right. We have had job openings in this area since 2020 and never once stopped looking for good people.
The Arena game client team is, and has been, building constantly. They are adding many features, extra units, etc. once the backend is finalised it will be ready for testing externally.
The web team doesn’t have anything to do with it. Nor does the art team anymore, outside of finalising the last few illuvials and vfx.
The game design team works on both games but sometimes they can’t do much for arena while something gets hooked up.
It’s going slower than our estimates but this isn’t because we aren’t prioritising it. Whoever is feeding you this information is simply wrong.
PVP is the obvious most important part dude
Always with such hostility towards me
Not the most appropriate way to communicate imo
so the issue is you havent been able to find enough competent people to work on pvp to expedite the process, and now a year later we still dont have anything close to showable in a demo?
Cmon dude where is the hostility.
lol that was obvious sarcasm
"It’s probably best if you don’t speak about things for which you don’t know anything."
It's just a common pattern in our convos
You are on a sub council giving misinformation. I take that seriously. Either you are making up your statements about Arena not being prioritised or someone is feeding you bad information. Either way it is not good to put out misinformation. So I’m saying “don’t talk about things if you don’t know about it”.
Yeah unless you see the teams workflow and internal WIP then yeah you dont.
so if what youre saying is correct aaron, why isnt there a showcase demo available yet?
I literally said that "Because yes as of now it is priority 0"
That is not misinformation as Ben had just said it
I told you when we discussed priorites 3 weeks ago, PvP was #1 prio across the entire team
Because it isn’t ready yet.
And I just reiterated that
how can it not be ready yet after a year of working on it?
Because things take time to design, build and test.
but they arent being tested, because if they were you would be able to show us these tests
and its not ready to show us, so how can you be testing?
What on earth are you talking about?
You mention the merch store as if those people could help.
You can test things without having the tools to show it off
if you can test it, you can stream your tests and show the people how far along things are
Why on earth would we want to do that?
now its just a "trust me bro"
because people are curious and want to know?
I'm sorry but trust me we're building a game seems to be the foundational level of trust needed.
You've played one of our games every day for 6months+
i know, thats why im upset
Games are a bit different to art. We can show you a wip for art easily. Many of the team really hate when we do it, because it shows something unfinished.
With an app, even more so.
but you guys just confirmed there are internal tests being done for pvp, what would be the harm to showcase that?
i remember how an unfinished overworld was streamed
and it was a huge success
got the fanbase worked up again in a long time
even with blocked out area's, unfinished/unpolished graphics etc
I'm baffled by the arrogance to suggest that we MUST show. We often don't show things that are a WIP as we don't want to set false expectations, or we don't want to show rough unpolished work. We're likely the most open game studio in history
nobody says you must do anything, its an open question as to why you arent and a request to do it
stop twisting words and intentions
As for the “demo two months ago”. We had a version that we were going to show but the decision was it wasn’t stable enough to show you guys. So instead we have moved on from the wip to building the first stable version.
Unfortunately we aren’t like Riot where we have 10 years of stable backend services to just hook in to.
We have to build everything from scratch. And unfortunately we have done that slower than our estimates.
They shouldn't be upset, the reactions of most of all art leaks should give them confidence and a smirking-"wait until you See the finished product" thought
so in the last two months the demo hasnt been stabilised enough to show?
even if it's unstable, how about you hold a quick poll and ask the community
That is correct.
do you want to see an unfinished/unpolished/possibly unstable pvp demo or not?
I am not sure if you remember but our first demo of Zero was absolutely panned.
Iam hearing a alot of PVP talk🥳
so was your first illuvitars launch, but was it an issue in the end?
We had been working on it with an incredibly small team and the comments were “why is it not like sim city”.
give the community some credit, they will see through the unpolishedness and see the potential
I strongly disagree with this.
Honestly not sure why you're here. If you're so unhappy with our products, don't trust that we're working on our key projects. Why are you in the Illuvium ecosystem
Doesn't seem to be making you happy
which part? that the launch was super flawed or that it wasnt an issue?
The answer is simple: We are getting it done. And then we will show you.
and it's sure as hell not making anyone else happy seeing you vomit this hostile stuff every day.
Maybe lets separate.
and here i was thinking that as an investor in a company i have the right to ask questions
every day lol... when was the last time?
Why are you invested in a project where you don't trust the team? or like the vision
trust but verify
Steal but pay.
yes, steal her heart but pay for dinner, duh
so what would be the issue of asking the community through a poll what they would prefer?
u guys realize his name right
I could be wrong but I believe the Council, which represents the community actually voted on it last Epoch
If I'm wrong let me know, I wasn't exactly here
you guys were ready to do a demo before, and now that we're further along and things should be better, why is it suddenly cancelled?
I personally would't want them to show gameplay of the core PVP experiance until it was ready. Easy to get hammered and negative press on, specially from web 2 trying to dunk on us. Juice is not worth the squeeze. Show it when it is ready and impressive enough to stand up to criticism.
nobody but people already in the community is gonna be watching it...
As a council member/DAO member stick an idea thread up and get people to engage on it.
you just stream it on discord or something in a kukkas cave or whatever
Because we bypassed the old way of connection clients together and moved to a new system. Which is being finalised.
Thats a statement without any backing in reality.
Everything always gets posted and see around social media
and that somehow means that its now no longer worth showing whereas before it was planned to be shown?
Thats the age we live in
I don't think anyone on earth could guarantee that outcome.
Yes.
i dont follow that logic
if its being finalised, which means its almost ready, why not plan a showcase for when its final?
Because unlike art, apps are sometimes irreducibly complex. Sometimes you need all functions to work together. And one crucial piece, the connectivity, is being finalised.
Have we not said “we will show it to you when we think it is ready for a showcase”?
so why are we having this discussion then? why couldnt you just answer: we are finalising it right now, eta is 2 weeks, we will show you end of July
There’s two issues: Are we working on it? Yes. It’s literally number 0 priority. It’s all I worked on for a good 6 weeks. Getting every requirement in place. Will we show it? Only when it is ready.
Because you said “why has there been no progress in a year.”
I think the issue is with giving hard dates. That has been done in the past and when things have happened that have gotten delayed the community gets really upset.
none that we've seen
In any case I have things to do. Have a good day.
a better formulation might have been: why havent we been shown any progress on pvp for a year
its literally 1 final question... if it's being finalised, when can we look forward to seeing an update?
to conclude this whole discussion, youve already taken so much time to answer useless questions, why not take 5 more seconds to answer the one that matters?
u know the answer, but u just want them to say it
that sounds like a very oracle-like, prophetic answer
He knows that they know that he knows that they know
if u want me to say it, i will
My friend there are an infinite number of variables that make the development of any project very complex and screaming loudly won't make it advance any further (trust me I've been on the other side of things) if you want something specific run it through #1020759212172775464 and push hard for it so that it gets traction and get council involved
Because I’m not going to be baited into telling you our internal dates before we make them public.
To ATH of mountainous size
look token price been hammered, what would happen if they show something that can make it more severe
but its being finalised... with terms like that you should know reasonably close when
lets say you think its a month, you could say: within 2 months
We already have a roadmap
Yes. But we don’t have an external date. As such, I won’t give you one. When we have an external date I will announce it.
The roadmap says this quarter.
then you could have just told me that "you arent getting any sneak previews, the roadmap says before the end of q3, you will see it then in its final form and now fuck off i have to do work"
why did you waste half an hour of my time
Anyone wanna give a tldr
@narrow jetty wasting Aarons and Ben's time with " wen and i am entitled to an update because im an investor i deserve more then what's on the roadmap and then have the agaul to accuse and blame Aaron for wasting his time
smart ass lived up to his name
same old story fraggy. nothing new
solar muted me
Can you blame him
same old Jag 😄
kidding
Why jag and sjud were allowed back is beyond my comprehension.
jag changed and sjud got voted into council.
wow Synix spreading false information
This wis why i left and have no faitth in the community in anymore.
so jag didn´t changed?
Ofc not
And SJUD got unbanned before he got elected
Barely
I was allowed back like a couple days before votes were finalized
Need to have 27 meetings before you can push a button, you know how corporate works
True
no serious. they report to support, they talked about all this and the support let them back it.
Community sentiment was on my side
Sure, I'll go with that story
And a lot of other factors came to light
Thats not a nice thing to say to a councilman 😦
People got banned for less
everyone who get banned can contact support. and they discusse if he gets back in or not.
I know
It's always been ok for people to insult me though
Even the team does it!
Good to know
😦
Rules don't apply to the team 😏
Unfortunately true
Looking forward to the day Fraggy gets banned
I'm a big boy though
*fat
I'm not fat im big boned
Rofl have you been drinking again?

Are you guys going to change the data for cmc it says MC is 140M but it’s 220M
CMC has to change the data for CMC
Stop spreading false information… is what you used to say
Cool yeah it’s been like this for a while
Stop harrasing people is what I would say, grow up and stop crying
Do something about it
Not my job and I don't care what happens to you 😄
See you in a few weeks when you try to get me banned again 
Kid stuck in a time loop
Haha ✌️
Wen monthly expenses
Maybe not enough clicks, delayed to yearly blog?
Wen addicting game loop
ask a simple question, get response:
Nick is going to do the monthly overview tomorrow. like the ones that are in the pin posts.
But that's not what he asked 
not sure people missed u tho
no but i give him something.
@inner topaz you should acquire SmashKarts and reskin the game for Illuvium. It’s addicting and competitive af. 1.5M site visits per month. Keep it low poly and we’ll be playing capture the flag tournaments, within 6 months.
Respect you man
all those ads
plenty of NFT projects use them to hand out WL
It’s becoming more popular, we gotta make an early move.
I only play the capture the flag mode. That’s where the competition is at.
i suck real bad
I knew that was a fraggy emoji
fraggy only speaking in mojis
LOL
As @storm rain would say @sonic dagger he changeED.
o mai 😄
bear market is tough, mans gotta eat
Omai
The trick is to make enough in the Bull to not worry about the Bear
im all about helping the plebs
if u sell
Wait, you don't go cry about it on Discord?
Me and Jag run this discord
SJUD MILVGA
MILVGA
Milfga
I cant even imagine how dead it was here without us
Ah it was more active
Coincidence?
Less dead
Nah, I still talked back then 
I scrolled up in Arena Chat. It was definitely not more active
Why would you talk in Arena chat? Game is not out yet
Full of ego anyways
discord is more active since fraggy got demoted
Not worth reading
You think it's more active? I can back read if I didn't open discord for 2 days
Also I quit, didn't get demoted 😉
True you can just see how great I am by following my twitter
gm
Alao since there is not delays between your accounts
Ga
@ILVOUT ?
Nah I'm not that good at Twitter like he is
Is that guy still tweeting? Made up some good stories
I'm glad that my Council Campaign was able to inspire the community though
no after sjud got council
probably will resurface when its time for re elecfion
Then who got Rich banned
its a fair play tho
SJUD got council and still active.
unlike the dj
Or many others 👀
can't remember half of the council members
hey @small summit ur still here?
SJUD first one to go to jail when SEC comes for us 
i saw the arcade guys like twice since the election
Who?
arcade guy, he never been here before the election
Damn forgot about him
you don´t need to talk in discord if you are working as a sub council. (besides community maybe)
let the work speaks for it.
what work? 
😦
Anyone can name the 5 community council members without looking it up?
I honestly can't
you can check news on illuvium.io/news #🔗〕helpful-links they had a recap from the last month
Yea, but shouldn't you act Kind of Like in Communities favor? You don't know sentiment about Stuff if you are not really following discord
🧂
thats why we have the #1020759212172775464 channel and not the gerneral chat or the other channels.
Never See them participating there either unless they get pinged.
Also they should Start the threads over there right? Because of sentiment of community
well u guys know if im council ill be around
True
@mossy grove are you making ILV great?
We need Jag on Community council
whats that
not really. community starts a idea then community sub is talking about and ping maybe if needed other sub councils. thats how i understand it right now.
why do u need to council the community
What? So they just sit arround doing nothing if there is not a thread with massive traction?
you can check news on illuvium.io/news, they had a recap from the last month
Jag trying to get rid of the Council that he would get elected to
not the best strategy
Almost like modding 
and rebuild from the ashes
Jaganite the Phoenix
MILVGA Council
its like a joke...
- Make ILV moon
did you check the news page? with the stuff they are doing the last month? they have a lot stuff to do.
but remember its not a full time job as a coucil. only a few hours per week kind of work.
For $1500 few hours / week?
In some countries that are 5 full time workers salaries 😂
1500$ per month for a few hours per week yes.
where i sign?
5 hours/week work, if you normalised it to a full time 40 hours, thats $12k
Isn't it 12k?
sorry my brain is scrambled eggs
Well they do represent 200k people so then it's ok
2 million*
ape dao is paying $20k per month tho
whoa
Just some extra 0
really?
yea
I am in the wrong project
LOL

even the admin council is paid like $5k
What requirement to be on ape council?
Theres politicians and theres technocrats. We need more of the latter to get shit done in any government
sorry secretary is $7k
Better add 1 $APE to your 1 $ILV
ez
im trying to get people a raise
How about a fund raise
I deserve a raise
Give them money
Did you already do anything?
No, didnt bring us pvp
check the news page
thats what im thinking
Fake news
Did I ask you?
Can't even have a chat here anymore 
ape dao salary #1023650034593570917 message
Never could
Day 10 of Q3
.
80 to go
Well one of the council is CEO of animoca
Ok
ok
damn the mod is $8k
See, they are all here working
half moon is afk
scrubba just talked
I'm green circle
And most active council, thats for sure
Yup
In this discord i mean
I think if the DAO is going to pay me then they should get their moneys worth
No no, chatting means he is not working
SJUD least active
that's not how you spell it, isn't it
Q4 is the launch date right? It seems that there still plenty of major things that are not yet ready, is few months enough to integrate everything?
😡
roadmap says Q4
Oh it goes afk cause im on mobile? Hahaha
Scruba confirmed least active mobile only
roadmap is lying
prolly playin Candy Crush
whoaaa
travelling with that council pay, chatting on discord 
Scrubafk

Hahaha im not that active. Cause most of my work is on gdoc 😜
Wild apache
whats gdoc
google docs
What are you doing to improve illuvium?
I can confirm Scruba is insanely active and a google doc warrior
Yeah, sometimes when they post them you can even edit them
Spelled inactive wrong. 
im a ms365 master race
ok whale
lies
Honestly, i try to look into making processes more effecient. Introduce policies that addresses gaps but i guess most importantly try to coordinate with the team to identify where they need support and work on possible proposals to get the game across the finish line.
True, was not that much fun but used to be worse
fine im gonna watch something
hmmm
Good show

You feel like the team listens to you and the rest of the council and there is good enough communication?
THE WITCHER!
Still need to watch the new season
2nd that, its good
forgot about it
Gov v2 is new. Lots of places to improve on. What i can say based on experience is that @glossy elm is a champ. Hes able bring updates from the team on matters we need to properly align on proposals.
Is the communication good? Yes. Is it enough? Can be better but thats given seeing as this is a new governance setup. But im 100% sure the communication between team and council is way better than previous epochs since theres multiple team members sharing info.
I see. Good to know. Thanks for the answer
Feel free to ask whenever. Its always good for the council to be able to give glimpses of what happens behind the publics eyes.
Wen pvp
Q3 😜
wen i can sell my fuel
Q4 
wen token ATH
