beta-season-test-chat

[orchid knot]

As it has already been explained, things change so regardless we cannot provide guidance on what things are or are not IAP/IGC even just in a beta state- I know people might think testers are trying to be awkward but we're really not

[cloud ocean]

The cape costs 1 ticket in beta right now, so this means it’s gonna be the same price in live (in all seriousness, things have changed last minute from beta to live before, so don’t trust beta for guides about anything)

[orchid knot]

To be very clear, we have Not Had IAP items in beta At All in the 0.27.0 updates so we physically Cannot tell you anything about those

[orchid knot]

Maybe if we're lucky, if we're just a little bit well behaved, they could slip the 1 candle pricing for items into moomin season just as a little treat

[golden ore]

Can we get a skybot auto-message to say beta prices are not fixed 💀

[regal dagger]

Possibly they were after where do the items sit in the seasonal trees? But since it's all from ktjn at 1 candle we have no idea.

I really like this move to just get the items as they are ready for testing from ktjn with no tree. Is this the new normal for beta?

[boreal herald]

ngl it seems better than having 'ready' trees and prices so people stop making guides and using beta for what its not meant for /npa

[orchid knot]

Honestly I really vibe with the new set up of getting items, it makes testing a whole lot easier, we can get the things faster and just bug report and feedback quick quick and yeah it's a bonus of not having the "preview" aspect because I think that can really distract from testing but we can still feedback what we hope for items to be if we feel strongly about it

[unkempt steeple]

Pants are not good-looking now.I want to change back to when I first came out.Those chubby pants.

[rich silo]

repeating the same thing won't do much if you don't submit to #beta-feedback
and even then, spamming the same message in there won't help your cause more than putting the first message in already would

just need to wait and see

I think they just tossed all the items early so they could get to feedback rounds faster than normal

[somber oyster]

@jagged cypress hi! I have removed your comment in the screenshot channel.

I’m not sure where you are getting the information from that everything is IAP in the Season of Moomin, but it is very likely false and / or illegitimate information. We currently have all available cosmetics bought for 1 seasonal candle each in beta (presumably for testing purposes) and we simply don’t know what items will be pass exclusive and which ones will be “IGC”.

So take everything you see with a grain of salt, and report hacked content to Stellify in DMs!

[outer pagoda]

Is the raven cape in iap or in Halloween candles?

[wet plover]

have the shattering prices been revealed yet?

[grizzled lichen]

They weren't in beta, they will be revealed on monday

[broken vale]

I've heard that snufkin outfit is IAP is it true ?

[grizzled lichen]

@broken vale

[glacial raven]

!wafo

[spiral needle]

🧇 Beta testers don't know when things will happen in Beta or Live Any Beta announcements will be made in ⁠#beta-announcements, and Live announcements will be made in #news!

[somber oyster]

Hey everyone, I’m going to be removing some chatter about hackers and hacked content as it goes against server rules to discuss this.

If you see hacked content on an external website or app, please report it to @/Stellify in DMs, but please don’t discuss this in the server

[lavish matrix]

thanks for reminding btw

Tbh skybot command for messages like "things you see out of beta channels may be illegitimate, pls report to stellify" would be extremely useful in this case, as we can go in detail about it in there

[south zealot]

guys where do u buy the sseason of mischief cosmetics??

[chilly turtle]

Can you go to Moominvalley as your own skykid yet? Because it's all I'm waiting for 🥺

[vale temple]

When will we know the ults aaaaa I can't wafo any harder. Also moomin plush my beloved

[shell fossil]

⚠️ General PSA: If you see pictures or video claiming to have the real prices for items that are only in beta, these are not accurate information.

Those images may be hacked, or misinformation based on guesses and rumors, or both.

Cosmetics and lots of other things CAN AND WILL CHANGE between beta testing and when they're released to live, so even looking at an item available to beta testers is not the final word on pricing, IAP vs. free, or even if it will be in the live version. Even if someone gets "information" via hacking, the files they're referencing may be outdated in the first place, or subject to change before beta or live release.

Please do not assume that charts and "secret info" that people are spreading outside of official channels are accurate.

[shell fossil]

Pinned for referencing convenience

[elder pebble]

Sagomay I do have one question regarding videos who "speculate" on prices and what's IGC/IAP, should they be reported even if they don't hack or anything like that? Since they kind of spread misinformations
Or is it more of a grey zone?

[shell fossil]

It's a grey zone because people may be hacking, or referencing NetEase prices if it's a TS, or just parroting rumors that they heard somewhere. If you see other posts/videos that indicate hacking, then it's fine to report.

[vale temple]

The ears and tail being a iap pack makes me sad so many things I liked are iap.

But at least umbrella isn't!!! So that means it's either TS or ult 😌 (for now. Unless it changes.)

[narrow pulsar]

ahh uhh it wont let me update beta

nvm i figured it out

[queen arch]

@rich silo #beta-screenshots-videos message
Also moomin read emote!

[pale pier]

Does anyone know how to recover the beta of this game?

[queen arch]

If you previously signed up, you should be able to login to the same account, and re download it (though it depends on how long ago it was)

[pale pier]

I lost the code

I can't find this code to enter the beta version

[rich silo]

ye that's wren's job XD

[olive forum]

Damm
Season of Little Prince part 2

[queen arch]

OMG we can set our nest as default home location too!

[orchid knot]

What changed with toe scarf I was expecting there to be less toes but there is not

[tulip veldt]

maybe it has more toes now

[orchid knot]

Nope still 5 toes each end

[upper gust]

What is that scary amount of iaps

[vast ledge]

Hey quick question

Did TGC ditched the idea of bringing 120 fps on iPad and iPhone with 120hz display ? I remember seeing it on iPad beta

[orchid knot]

Moomin plushy being almost half the size of chibi is wonderful, I think cinna was too, it's so cute and silly

[orchid knot]

Not sure, maybe it wasn't well optimised - at the time of testing it caused my ipad to overheat a lot and idk about others but maybe they put it on hold or changed plans with it for now

[calm spoke]

I hope the little prince iaps problem dont being reapeating because the number of the iaps that we can see in the shop

[orchid knot]

OMG IF YOU PUT MOOMIN PLUSHY DOWN HE LANDS ON BUM FINALLY A PLUSHY THAT IS PLACED NICELY

Hey tgc pssst tgc please slide cinna plushy into my inventory real quick so I can see how he lands

But also checked with others they all land pretty consistent now that's nice, but they could be rotated a lil maybe and if you emote and drop then they'll land more haphazardly

[high atlas]

WAIT THERES A MOOMIN PLUSH?????

I just got here and this is the first thing I see

[orchid knot]

Yes he's roumd and soulless eyes and beautiful!!!!

[proven lark]

Is it ok to ask some questions about season pass here?

[tulip veldt]

you can, but if it's "whats included in the season pass" I dont think we know and even if we do it's not final

[proven lark]

Well i started playing in beta since yesterday

So it’s like I've been playing for two days.i got to get every current event iap and things but when i tap on season pass.it’s says It's not available now

So how do i get the season pass?does it have anything to do with realm finishing or like being moth?

[cosmic vine]

it'll become available once you reach forest

[proven lark]

Wow really thnx FOR ur answer 😭🥹🫶🏻

[untold junco]

Oh they’ve added a seasonal tree

And a new music sheet? Nvm it’s a plcae holder

[proven lark]

One more thing what do you guys think about the tail being iap?

[tulip veldt]

I expect anything thats explicitly moomin-looking to be iap

[untold junco]

I mean it’s a new type of cosmetics so ofc it’ll be locked behind a sp or an iap

[cosmic vine]

rule of thumb
anything copyrightable = never returning

[proven lark]

I was at least wishing for it to be a seasonal thing not iap:)

[orchid knot]

You can always feedback but anything that's clearly an IP item will probably be under specific requirements by the collaborator so they might not have any wiggle room for these things anyways

[solemn bear]

What is this season? Season of Apple? We gotta buy everything separate, damn. I was going to get the season pass just for the tail, the yellow bow and the flower crown, nevermind now

[untold junco]

So how many side stories are out rn? I’ve found 5 so far

[queen arch]

@untold junco
#beta-screenshots-videos message
That probably explains why I crashed as that cutscene loaded

[vale haven]

Collaboration seasons will always break the hearts of many and I am one of such hearts

[untold junco]

Yeah there are like a hundred of them

[somber oyster]

Ohhhh if it’s a music sheet in the end we should play it tg!!

[untold junco]

Sure!

[balmy tapir]

Good to know that the main season is going to be very bare

[rich silo]

I love how the moomin plush icon just has the biggest snoot in existence

[elder pebble]

Biggest snoot = most boop-able snoot

[rich silo]

bloopable snoot

[orchid knot]

BY THE WAY I have a very happy video to share of moomin plushy and it's a secret why but you'll see how wonderful it is in a moment

#beta-screenshots-videos message tah-dah!

[elder pebble]

Aww so cute

[sacred isle]

do yall think theres any hope the moomin tail will be a season item instead of iap 😔 that was the thing i was hyped about the most

[rich silo]

no cuz it was very 1:1 moomin tail
you can #beta-feedback tho

[delicate echo]

Did anyone actually manage to finish the 4th quest?

[balmy tapir]

Accessory season, and all the substance is in the iaps

[solemn bear]

Atp they might just make us pay to even enter the seasonal area

[sacred isle]

fr 💀

i was so exicted for the snuffkin items and i find out they iaps,LIKE MAN

[solemn bear]

All I wanted was the damn tail and the yellow bow 😟 I don't have the money for that, this isn't fair to most players

[balmy tapir]

I expected the tail to be iap, too much of a wanted item

[sacred isle]

ikr,the prices converted to my currency are way too high, all the items i was looking forward to are iap..atp i aint even gonna buy the season pass cuz theres nothing in it

[balmy tapir]

What I find really annoying is that all the big items seem to be in the iaps now, and what the main season gets is two mid capes and all accessories and props

[indigo trail]

Now the season feels incomplete because of the separate missing outfit items, snuffkins outfit divided into IAPs instead of putting them on the mannequin is crazy 💀

[drowsy hinge]

I literally just entered this channel and I know someone would talk about this 😭

I LOVE THE TAIL TOO-

But anyways, can anyone elaborate what's under IAP for this season?

[sacred isle]

atp idk if they are so bad at making decisions or just money hungry

[indigo trail]

Ninny cape
Moomin tail and ears
Snuffkin clothes, scarf and hat
Moomin plushie

I don't remember what else

[rich silo]

I don't think the yellow bow is IAP though

[indigo trail]

It isn't 👌

[rich silo]

Hattifattener shoulder guys

[drowsy hinge]

Whyyy

[orchid knot]

I get the upset with the beta WIP status of IAPs, but you do realise they also have to abide by contracts for IP items that are very much copyrighted designs right

[dusk willow]

I wonder which items will be Ultimate :o we still haven't seen that yet. My best guess would be the ninny fit because it seems so special and she seems to be the main focus of the season, or maybe the moomin outfit? 🤔

The only thing that irritates me about the IAPs are the Snufkin packs. Making the hat and outfit two separate purchases feels very purposeful and stinky :(

[sacred isle]

they could make a whole new season from the amount of iap cosmetics 💀

[solemn bear]

I thought so too, but I imagined it was gonna be on the Season Pass. If it was, I was willing to open my wallet to them, but nevermind now.

@sacred isle yes! To my currency aswell, I have way better things to spend my money on!

@drowsy hinge I saw nobody speaking on it, so I had to do it. I've been doing this for a while now to see if more people open their eyes to what the game is becoming :((

[ember hull]

But it's a shame if designs are so limited

[rich silo]

I kind of like that the hat is separate though because people might not be interested in the outfit itself either and only want the hat

[indigo trail]

Of course, but I'm still sad about it and it still feels incomplete lol

[drowsy hinge]

🥺

[solemn bear]

I read through TGC's Terms of Service and apparently they state there that they CAN do this, which honestly, it's very morally wrong :Þ

[orchid knot]

Of course it is, I think that's why we have a Snufkin inspired cape and Moomin inspired pants, I DO understand the upset that it feels incomplete though

Sorry my autocorrect tried to start beef I understand the upset I promise 😭

[balmy tapir]

Are they throwing the umbrella into the ults or the last igc reward

[indigo trail]

Anyways, we can leave some feedback and hope for the best

[solemn bear]

It's sad that this is pretty much all we can do at a big scale. I know, however, many people will stop playing or will not even complete Moomin's season.

[rich silo]

Going by how the IAP went, probably ults since it has the moomin iconography on it

[ember hull]

Is there anything to look forward to when spirits come back as ts?

[balmy tapir]

Weren't people just recently complaining about packs and how annoying it is if you want only one item out of multiple

[indigo trail]

Yup, I totally understand 😦 the season pass is hardly even worth it for me now, idk man

[orchid knot]

I'm surprised by the outfit being separate but like Cy mentioned maybe it's to allow people to buy the hat if they want the hat only sorta thing

[solemn bear]

Absolutely will NOT be IGC, not even a chance
If I am mistaken though, good! Let's hope I am

[rich silo]

Cuz it was a feedback point for cinnamoroll event also where people were like "I only care about one item why do I have to pay for both" so they probably went that route yeah

[solemn bear]

Let's watch out for the pricing though, and hope they don't overprice each singular item.

[sacred isle]

ofc they will

[orchid knot]

I hope so too, it would be good to have some accessible pricing if there's lots of IAPs

[rich silo]

That happens every season though
That's just a natural course of life as you lose interest in things and move on

[balmy tapir]

Limited igc rewards are also allowed to have that though, since they're limited

[rich silo]

Just gotta 🧇

[solemn bear]

Not really. I still very much enjoy Sky, but this is absurd! Like I said before on this server, by the amount of bugs we get that go unresolved for months, overpriced IAPs, it's not worth it anymore. I didn't lose interest and it breaks my heart to have to push the game aside.

(I'm sorry if I pinged you, I sent the message too quick and didn't notice if I clicked off)

[olive forum]

Meanwhile: No 120hz for Android
Great competent company

[rich silo]

The currency conversion is rough regardless yeah 😔

[spiral lodge]

Rip to spirits giving out the cosmetics 😔🙏

[solemn bear]

Yes it's very rough. I'm not a millionaire and neither am I poor, being able to afford most IAPs, but I can very well see that to the common Sky player it's not affordable 🫡

I PINGED YOU AGAIN I AM SO SORRY 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[rich silo]

Gonna hope there's like
More lower cost IAP among the whole 6 individual bundles going on
That would help a lot

[upper gust]

It's just TLP chaos all over again 🥰

[balmy tapir]

I would expect the shoulder acc and hat to be less expensive

[drowsy hinge]

Feedback takes a ton to trigger them

[rich silo]

No... Because that was heavily skewed to IAP only for tlp stuff

Moomin season looks very generous for moomin inspired cosmetics tbh, especially for the minor characters

[balmy tapir]

Then there's bundles and they're probably like 15$

[solemn bear]

And that's 80 BRL to me 🫡 not worth it, that can buy me my skincare

[upper gust]

Kinda yeah, but still isn't fair some outfits been incomplete and mostly are just decorations than you can't put all of them if your nest is full, a shame but a expected scenario

[orchid knot]

Brazil does not have a good exchange rate at all I'm so so sorry, my friend suffers all the time from it too

[sacred isle]

15$ could buy me 3-4 dinners in my currency 💀

[balmy tapir]

Since all the items were character-inspired it was hard to say what'll end up being iap, I guess I expected them to throw something good into the ults or the end of the season limited igc, but right now this season lineup just looks bare, there's pretty much nothing worthwhile

[solemn bear]

Yup LOL can't even deny that

[rich silo]

I mean if it was hard to tell then that's also a good thing innit
That means the non IAP are also viable

[lavish matrix]

If Ninny's cape is an iap item, would it be the one with a teleport function?

[rich silo]

If it doesn't feel worth it then it's just ye olde personal preference
But it is a very heavily accessory based season following duets which was heavily pants based

[balmy tapir]

It was hard to tell because you don't know what's gonna get restricted by ip, not because some hairs and accessories are as good as what's in iaps

[untold junco]

I hope not cause that’ll make it more pricey and I’m planning on buying the cape-😭

[lavish matrix]

We don't know yet we'll have to find out I'm just curious

[sacred isle]

ngl i miss seasons where each spirit had an emote,like no way they ran out of ideas for emotes 😔

[untold junco]

Aren’t all items so far are kinda 1:1?

[solemn bear]

I have so many ideas but I refuse to share and not get to see the sweet green dollars I could get from it 🤣

[lavish matrix]

Same but I think they have allocated animators for the other projects like two embers so they may don't have a lot rn

[balmy tapir]

They're probably busy animating all the cutscenes

[ember hull]

I really don't think they did that. Except to consult or whatever for designs

[solemn bear]

Most likely not, they probably have separate teams for that, since Two Embers has been built up for a long while now

[lavish matrix]

yeah but probably there's a reason, if they added animated emotes, it would be a lot of work. Bc they have worked on double the number of quests (season + void quests)

[ember hull]

I do like that there seems to be more story this season

[lavish matrix]

Yeah seems like they focus more on the story this season and I love it, especially the void ones

[rich silo]

The fact there's two parts to every quest is pretty wild

[balmy tapir]

While the story is not bad it disappoints me also that you have to watch it with terrible butterfly controls, terrible from-under-the-table point of view, and the game heavily struggling with performance

[lavish matrix]

The butterfly mechanic needs to be improved and yeah the trees really put a strain on performance xD I hope it'll be optimised

[balmy tapir]

I feedbacked it multiple times before, yes. At this point I just think it's not getting fixed

[lavish matrix]

I'm kinda worried if we play as skykids in the Valley, handphones are burning

Maybe they'll optimise it later down the line, cuz not every fixes will come in just 1 build after

[finite anchor]

Yeah I don't like how the butterfly controls either
sometimes it just ?? slides somewhere and I can barely control it

[hushed charm]

Didnt the jellyfish had slight better controls than the butterflies

[lavish matrix]

Oh they do?? I don't remember controlling a butterfly back in Ark bloom days

[balmy tapir]

Yeah and the game having 5 fps while there's nothing going on the screen and you can barely see anything doesn't help

[rich silo]

I like it only because it helps with story immersion cuz the moomin cast are heavily stylised to the IP that it would feel weird to be in the story as a regular skid

[lavish matrix]

I'm thinking they may have optimised it for live but it's beta that eats a lot of processing (bc isn't it one of the heaviest apps on a phone? :o)

[finite anchor]

yeah that's nice
I wish we could explore moominvalley as skykids tho, maybe after completing all the quests?? but rn that would probably make my phone explode

[lavish matrix]

Yeah I'm so worried 😭 the trees are eating all the rendering up rn

[balmy tapir]

I don't think beta has worse performance under normal circumstances

[finite anchor]

yeah I think if there was some sort of optimization it would've been noticable in beta and not just in live

[outer pagoda]

The moomin ears are iap? Aww

Is the umbrella also iap? Or...

[balmy tapir]

What's eating it up inside the moomin house when all I see on my screen is moominmamma and some wood textures

[lavish matrix]

Hmmm that's weird tho
I can't say,

Can you see trees outside the windows?

[rich silo]

Me who's still suffering from beta loading lag:

[somber oyster]

This is a good moment to remember that everything in beta is subject to change, and nothing is final until it is released in Live.

Please share what your experience is how it currently looks in beta in #beta-feedback, but remember that anything is subject to change!

[balmy tapir]

And that's just you for some reason, so not very normal circumstances

[lavish matrix]

I'm thinking they will put polishes and bug fixes at the end of first half of season testing (beta drought?)

[balmy tapir]

Putting this season tree still getting longer every time I open it here bc at least it's funny
#beta-screenshots-videos message

[lavish matrix]

Help the trees are teaching the heavens

[balmy tapir]

The legend says it's still going

[modest condor]

So whole snuffkin outfit is now behind paywall? How amazing why would they make a moomin collab and one whole character from the show is paid not even one thing seasonal ??? 💀💀💀

[shadow jackal]

the way this beta update killed my whole hype for this season is crazy 😭
i left feedback already but i wanted to know if anyone else agrees with me, the amount of iaps is actually insane-
and the way they made the most wanted items all iaps and threw the less wanted in the season pass collection-
im honestly SO disappointed

[waxen oyster]

Agreed

[lavish matrix]

That's the same amount of iaps as Aurora to be frank

[sacred isle]

but at least aurora had some cool stuff in the season

[waxen oyster]

Tlp had less

[modest condor]

IKRRRR snuffkin is literally my favorite character and we ain’t even getting the hat WILDDDDDD it’s honestly so sad because I couldn’t wait for the hair and the hat

[indigo trail]

And aurora season didn't have any characters outfit split into season pass and IAPs 👌

[balmy tapir]

Yeah it's just that seasonal stuff this time feels like barely anything in comparison

[sacred isle]

they gotta move at least 1 thing from iaps to the season or no ones gonna buy it

[lavish matrix]

they're quite simple, I think it's tricky for tgc to reach an agreement so the seasonal items are kinda inspirations from the characters, not a direct copy

[modest condor]

I’m definitely leaving a feedback because locking a whole ah character behind a paywall is just insane

[lavish matrix]

I doubt this season they make their own spirits bc I don't think it'll work nicely for Ninny's story bc we'd need a good consistent artstyle with the Moomintrolls

[modest condor]

At this point don’t make a collaboration with a show if u won’t include at least one of every characters item in the seasonal pass 💀

[lavish matrix]

I noticed that we have snufkin hairstyle, harmonica and cape

[balmy tapir]

Yeah I understand the ip stuff. It just needs something moved to ults or limited igc so it's something at least

[sacred isle]

real

[covert bison]

Remember how uncolorful tlp cosmetics were compared to book?

[indigo trail]

I would be more happy if ninny's cape was moved to being an ult, or snuffkins stuff

[lavish matrix]

Bruh
Tgc makes a collab because they believe the story would fit sky, don't judge a season based on the items only. I do think the story does wonders for this season

[sacred isle]

cape is iap im pretty sure

[balmy tapir]

I expected it to be ult tbh, it feels too plain for iap

[lavish matrix]

Snufkin's a seasonal item on a mannequin, see potato log screenshots please look around in the game first

[modest condor]

Oh I’m not sure cause they aren’t properly described I just saw the hat and I assumed the other thing was outfit with the hairstyle but no matter what it is they still locked a whole bunch of stuff

[lavish matrix]

Also there are character inspired items while not a direct copy in the seasonal trees

[indigo trail]

It would be cool if snuffkins hat/scarf and pants were added as a IGC ult reward. HIGHLY unlikely, but a girl can dream lol

[lavish matrix]

I wonder if the tent is part of seasonal item roster I'm not sure

Also I kinda expected hattifatteners' cape to be iap but I'm pleasantly surprised that it's seasonal ^^

[indigo trail]

Honestly same, I thought it was gonna be the "special ability" cape

[red portal]

i'm rather unhappy it's seasonal, when all the cosmetics people were excited for are... iap...

[lavish matrix]

Also we do be getting invisibility tech pants as seasonal pants, I'm surprised, thought it's gonna be a limited time item

[modest condor]

I’m glad but as much as I like the story as almost 5 year old sky player I really haven’t got much to do except wishing for pretty clothes especially from a cool collaboration season

[balmy tapir]

Barely-invisible pants I expected to be ult

[lavish matrix]

Same! Like it's a completely new tech i thought it's gonna be limited to ult or iap

[modest condor]

Well they ain’t much changed either I’m just saying it would be nice to have just a few IAPs instead of like 10 😃

[indigo trail]

We're still (kinda) early into the season test, let's give feedback and hope for some changes

[lavish matrix]

9cd had 2, TLP had 3, it's just Aurora had 6 in total same as currently xD

It's really dependant on the IP agreement, not in tgc's control

[high atlas]

Omg the book reading emote is so cute!!!

[indigo trail]

I agree tbh, it seems like some collabs are more expensive than others.

[lavish matrix]

Yeah! Aurora being crazy expensive bc it's literally a license to a worldwide acclaimed musician and song copyrights

[balmy tapir]

Aurora had really expensive concert and festival tech. Moomin has character models. And trees

[modest condor]

Yeaaaah but auroras IAPs weren’t exactly like these ones They were some other Aurora outfits while we still got a full one of hers but this season is locking parts of specific characters so we won’t get a full look unlike during auroras season

[ebon remnant]

I can’t believe every cosmetic that resembles the main cast is going to be iaps…

[red portal]

there have been plenty of times people were upset about a certain choice and said thing never changed outside of beta... The biggest change i can recall coming from feedback was the mischief cat ear hair going from IAP to IGC because of how upset people were over it. sending feedback works, but as a long time player i've started to become convinced it might only work when there's A LOT of people being upset about something

[lavish matrix]

Like I said it's dependant on the IP agreement

And I believe tgc is not chucking everything into one pack per character so that people can choose one thing they want not getting a bundle

[ebon remnant]

Yes but isn’t the season pass also an iap…

[indigo trail]

Exactly! That's what feels iffy about this season to me

[red portal]

then why split the snufkin outfit from the hat? that's just too much

[lavish matrix]

Maybe we haven't seen Moomin's limited time guide tree ult either (and we don't know what the ults are, right?)

[ebon remnant]

That’s so true! I feel so dissapointed as I felt so hyped as each new item was being added! This was actually the first season I ever planned on buying a season pass in and now there’s nothing left :c

[lavish matrix]

I think it's better if people want the hat only would get it as is for a small price, instead buying the whole thing just bc you wanted an item from that

[ebon remnant]

And then they’re gonna price them like 10-20$ each like we’ve seen with recent iap pricing trends(literally the price of a season pass + 2 giveaways)

[lavish matrix]

I doubt the hat would be 10 to be frank

[indigo trail]

Hopefully 😭 definitely not 15... Right? RIGHT?

[modest condor]

Well I can’t count the amount of outfits we have unlike the hats especially like this one only comparable is the Halloween one but it’s a hairstyle not an accessory

[red portal]

but it's not going to be cheap. collabs don't have a track record for being cheap that we can count on. the cheapest IAP items we can buy are very tiny accessories like earrings and such

[covert bison]

I saw some people writing that they preferred it the iaps were separate so people could choose the item they actually want and it won’t be a higher cost from being a bundle so I think they listened to that

[broken vale]

If witch hat can be 10$ why not snufkin hat ?

[ebon remnant]

My question is just that now that all the main moomin cast cosmetics are seeming to be iap, who are gonna be the season spirits?? And what will they offer? I will laugh if snufkin spirit pulls up with only a granfather clock and a chandelier and not his own cosmetics

[lavish matrix]

Snufkin seasonal items are: hairstyle, snufkin cape and harmonica if I'm not wrong

I'd recommend you to look around in screenshots or if you have beta, play the game to see things before forming opinions

[ebon remnant]

And the rest of the cast?

[modest condor]

In my opinion perhaps only full moomin outfit should be an IAP since it’s very unique and very much feels like the season and the human like characters outfits should be included in seasonal pass although it’s still tough since moomin outfit is very unique but yeah they shouldn’t lock half a character and it’s only what snuffkin and moomin and the girl but I don’t remember her name

[lavish matrix]

There are quite character inspired mannequins (from what I can see from potato log) (excluding furnitures)

Little My: Hairstyle, pink bow and hattifatteners cape

Ninny: invisipants, hair bow, bell necklace and Ninny boots

Snufkin: hairstyle, cape and harmonica

Too Ticky: the scarf and the flower crown

[mental salmon]

I think they might be implying that the snufkin's mannequin resemblance does not actually include the whole outfit but just the cape, harmonica and hair (which tbh, it's kinda ok for it to not be such an overwhelming spirit)

[ebon remnant]

You have a good point! It might not be as bad as it seems, I suppose I’m just a bit dissapointed after all the hype

[lavish matrix]

Yeah! But still it's a nice collection to me, especially Ninnys items are so cute (we even got the ringing bell!)

Like we get a proper flower crown

[broken vale]

Why are season passes becoming more like spell shops and furniture shops? I thought season passes were supposed to be about giving players new content.

[mental salmon]

Maybe the whole snufkin outfit was the cape after all

[ebon remnant]

We still have some good ones left I suppose… shame with the moomin set with the ears and tail though since that’s the main features of our main moomin protag and his moomin fam

[lavish matrix]

What do you mean, they are giving special access to specific items, it's always been like that

All the new content is free to play if you refer the quests and storylines

[ebon remnant]

Or filling them with simple furniture

[lavish matrix]

Better than nesting being 90% furnitures tbh

[broken vale]

What about snufkin cosmetics ? A whole character's outfit is behind a paywall

[mental salmon]

~~Oh nesting guide when I find you ~~

[lavish matrix]

Not the whole outfit, we still get the hairstyle, cape and harmonica on season tree (please kindly backread) or check potato log

Also the tent too apparently

[broken vale]

I said outfit ......

[ebon remnant]

I think that was understandable seeing as it was the literal ikea season
My issue is just when like 50% of the items in a pass is carpets and posters

[lavish matrix]

In any case I think moomin furnitures look like something we'd actually decorate our nests with (wood items yay)

[broken vale]

This is little prince all over again brah

[lavish matrix]

I need to know what the grandfather clock's face will be

[red portal]

my issue is that the current IGC items of the season are items that might as well not be related to the moomins at all. a flower crown, 2 bowties, some boyish hair. ANY season could've brought these items and we still don't know which ones are going to be ULTS. even the 9 coloured deer had spirits with cosmetics related to the actual characters of said story. them slowly rolling out all these exciting things and then revealing everything even SLIGHTLY related to the collab is IAP and that snufkin specifically is split into 2 separate IAPs.... It really puts a stamp on everything that's been happening lately. like, with the prices. both In-Game and as IAP. It's just too much! I've been playing this game for 3 years now so i know what used to be Sky. I can't imagine being a new player, seeing all of this and still feeling motivated to continue playing for another year

[lavish matrix]

#beta-season-test-chat message

There are moomin related items tbh

The iaps are more so directly referencing the characters like 1:1 ones

That's sadly how collab contracting works. Still nice to have a clear character inspired seasonal

[modest condor]

Yeaaah but still I mean good thing hairstyle and harmonica are seasonal but it’s sad they couldn’t give us the hat instead of a cape since the only similar thing is Halloween hairstyle which u can’t separate so it is sad

[ebon remnant]

THIS this is what I’m so upset over! I feel like they sucked out the moomin from the moomin season. It really dampend the mood with how it’s all been built up. The season of nine colored deer was a good example of how the main cast was in the season pass and the sdditional fancy pants were left in the shop!

[lavish matrix]

There are no fancy pants in 9cd iaps

[ebon remnant]

Pls send this into feedback I feel like it really puts it into words

[red portal]

will do!

[ebon remnant]

That was a metaphor I’m talking about the nine colored deer cape that had that opal texture(+ the horns) ofc desirable items as iaps should be but most of the main cast was in the roster of cosmetics available in the pass

[lavish matrix]

Yeah thats why I love 9cd so much xD It's unique enough

[broken vale]

I can match most of the hairstyles with snufkin hat baffled botanist hair looks similar

[red portal]

also i don't mean to be rude, but why do you feel you should defend these choices? genuine question

[lavish matrix]

tbh it's tricky path to tread on, creating their own characters for moomin but it takes out of immersion because of differences in design and keeping up the original cast but they can't be allowed to have direct character inspired cosmetics be available as seasonal spirits considering that they will return as TS in future so its beyond the license timeframe

[lavish matrix]

Nah I'm just stating the facts, and from the way copyrights work it sucks but thats how tgc tried their best to offer in this season while still bound by the contract

[balmy tapir]

The cast of nine-colored deer was all original characters, not looking like anything in the animation at all, so idk what you're trying to say

[ebon remnant]

Hmm I guess the contract was different for nine colored deer then?

[red portal]

aye i can see where you're coming from, but i still feel the amount of iaps is for the common folk quite overwhelming

[lavish matrix]

Pretty much! And yes it's different bc nine coloured deer story origin is actually from a Buddhist folk story so it's not very copyrightable

It's just the animation version deer design seem to be only copyrighted

[orchid knot]

Contracts will all be different depending on each collaborator - not all collaborators will have the same requirements

[high atlas]

It could definitely be differences in contacts. Tlp also had spirits and they were vaguely based off of the original, but not really 1 to 1. I think it depends on the contract that is between both companies

[balmy tapir]

Only this specific deer design is limited, and it's the only thing they changed after the season, so yes

[ebon remnant]

It’s a shame…knowing this kinda makes collab seasons a bit more, how can I say this, less hype for me now

[lavish matrix]

I personally think the story of Ninny is worthy of experience

[orchid knot]

That's completely fair, collabs can be fun for what they bring in terms of a new story and maybe cool cosmetics from a favourite interest of yours, but they'll inevitably mean IAPs in abundance

[hardy prism]

i think many players are gradually getting frustrated with the amount of IAP there are and how pricey they’re becoming. this isn’t talking about specifically the moomin collab, but just everything else in general :( it’s like creating some sort of disconnect with tgc? idk

[ebon remnant]

But I would argue that the hattifattner cape wing thing is very much recognizable? Aswell as invis pants bell and bow? Where is the line drawn between inspired and copied here?

[balmy tapir]

I think we've been having too many collabs atp. One collab season every four normal ones was fine, now this is just overwhelming, and I don't like the fomo that comes with limited iaps

[lavish matrix]

the iaps pricing had been consistent for every item type, only that collab iaps are more expensive

[cloud ocean]

I feel like with how limiting the cosmetics were, maybe this collab shouldn’t have been done o(-<

[ebon remnant]

Yes I agree, It’s just a lot for a few virtual items. Obviously you can do without but the game’s revenue is based off fomo.

[lavish matrix]

I think the collab happens simply bc people had wanted it, as well as Ninny story bringing an important message to people

[orchid knot]

It's hard to say as players because we're not privy to the discussions devs and collaborators have - I think it's nice the hatti wings appear to be igc for now, but that might have been something that was a back and forth during development of these wings are very IP can we have them as IAP or IGC if we have this alternative more IP shoulder buddy hatti, it's just hard to even consider all the discussions they've had about what moomin will and won't allow as igc

[hushed charm]

Collab items also follow their price rules unless the item has a function

[balmy tapir]

Where the ip holder puts it, that's all

[lavish matrix]

Oh true!

[hardy prism]

well regardless of collab & no collab, i’m just saying in general, the frustration is just getting worse. i just think things have changed. for better or for worse, we’re all subjected to our own opinions

[orchid knot]

omg this was so much simpler than what I typed

[lavish matrix]

Poison is really good at words (can't beat him fr)

[ebon remnant]

Let’s say we accept the fact that collaborations and copyright is a complicated matter, that’s ok. In that case I wish TCG could be more tranparent to us as a community as to why and how they decide on what to make an iap for a season collab for example. I think atleast then we have a reason you know? I feel like we’re being left in the dark having to come up with our own reason as to why pr why not

[lavish matrix]

It'd be nice too, but I feel its already obvious given how copyrights in general work, maybe just me bc I used to study and work in digital media and all that

[ebon remnant]

It’s not always obvious to everyone. A lot of sky players are quite young and have little insight into the business side of things. Especially when it comes to game development

[modest condor]

With the count of the IAP items shouldn’t they just make one IAP from every moomin character? Wouldn’t that be the fairest thing since they added like 6 IAPS?

[lavish matrix]

Mm true maybe tgc can explain about how collab seasons work in general (unless it had been done before)

[orchid knot]

I find this interesting because Sky is honestly one of the few games I've seen such debates in communities - other games with collabs don't seem to have the same in depth discourse and idk if it's how companies handle it, different player expectations, etc.

but there's such a thing of tgc owing players explanations for why something is IAP or IGC when in reality there isn't an obligation.

There's also the whole legal side of it where they can't explain everything about why this thing is this price or why a collab needs xyz IAPs

That can upset a community of course, feeling like a lack of transparency, but I honestly don't know if I've ever experienced other communities in the same mindset as Sky

[lavish matrix]

There's like... 5-6 moomin characters in a story

[ebon remnant]

Oh well! What to do but discuss it and send wome feedback. I really appreciate that you’re all having so much patience replying to my frustrations tho, know that I’m not upset at anyone here. It’s just dissapointment for something I hold dear to my childhood.

[cloud ocean]

I understand where everyone is coming from, but this separation of items is the dealbreaker for buying the sp for me. I imagine it might be the same for other players. It just sucks that even if you spend into the season, you’re still missing out on other items. In my case, I really wanted the ninny cape, the tail and the ears. So that’s that - no SP this time either 🤷

[orchid knot]

Completely understandable, I hope that when the season goes live it is digestible for everyone and the status of items being IAP/IGC seems fair for as many players as possible

It's been great to chat with you!

[lavish matrix]

We haven't seen what will be the season limited item or ults yet am I wrong?

[orchid knot]

Usual reminder that the current version isn't necessarily the intended version, so take it all with a pinch of salt!

And no we haven't seen what are ults as far as I'm aware

[ebon remnant]

You too! You make lots of fair points and I think I’ve definitely come out of this discussion with a lot more knowledge and understanding than when I first went in^^

[hardy prism]

how cute

[modest condor]

Yeaaaah and isn’t there 6 IAPS added? So like one of every character seems pretty fair ?

[lavish matrix]

Oh okay so then there'll be more to it later on 👀

[broken vale]

Imagine moth pant for ult reward lol

[lavish matrix]

(Wait the framed picture with the moomin family, does it still exist in game bubba)

[high atlas]

And this is what I like about these discussions! It helps both sides understand where each side is coming from! I'm glad you feel a lot more knowledgeable and it helps you form a wonderful feedback!

[cloud ocean]

I havent seen the invisible pants or moomin pants anywhere yet

[red portal]

i find that other games provide more for the price that they're giving.... And yes I dare say, even a notoriously pricey DLC game like the sims 4 does. because when that game asks 19.99 for a werewolf pack, it doesn't give you 1 werewolf costume, it gives you a whole shebang of things and new gameplay things to try out. 19.99 in sky could be 1 item with some IGC, 2 items............. or a stick you can eat marshmallows on, which has no gameplay function outside of being cute.
that's what people mean when they say it's expensive

[ebon remnant]

Wait a second… thinking about it further couldn’t they optionally put some of the cosmetics in the guide tree? (But in the way they did with aurora) so that it’s limited edition and follow the license time but allows for some icg items?

[hardy prism]

sims 4 dlcs are ridiculous 😭

[lavish matrix]

Hmm I believe it's not a fully fair comparison. Sims 4 is made by EA while TGC is a small company and in America it's considered indie company with less than 200 employee threshold

While they're completely different games so I don't see a similar case comparison

Also TGC is self publishing, not tied to bigger publisher or smth

[cloud ocean]

Yeah we don’t know what items will be there yet

[lavish matrix]

If only tgc could share how many of their revenue had gone through, I'm sure a huge part it went to maintenance and all that server/platform payments

[cloud ocean]

Even so, from a consumer perspective, one side is giving you more bang for your buck, so to speak

[orchid knot]

Fair enough, I think it depends on games for sure and that's a great point! Some offer a lot more general value for money, I guess I was thinking of things more like Fortnite for example where they have a similar pass system and are also heavily iap for some skins and the gameplay itself is in the seasonal content, but for games like the Sims people are expecting a lot more and I'm not sure if that's because the game is already paid for and you're buying separate dlcs to add onto main content and it's not just a cosmetic thing, or if it is just a general maybe tgc could do better for value for money

Definitely something to reflect on more for me, thanks!

[ebon remnant]

What do u think hinders them from sharing that?

[lavish matrix]

Oh bubba good point too! Sims 4 is a purchase to own, while Sky is a free game to begin with. All the iaps are to generate revenue in order to keep the game afloat with the huge servers and platforms

@ebon remnant I don't know maybe the legal side if it 🤔

[broken vale]

idk why some people are defending tgc like they work for them lol

[red portal]

aye actually sims 4 is free now

[orchid knot]

I mean people can have different opinions and just want to talk about all perspectives, it's not a bad thing

[hardy prism]

i think it’s just showing different perspectives

[lavish matrix]

We're not defending I'm saying facts based on our experience working in similar industries

[high atlas]

It's not necessarily defending. Some people have more knowledge on different aspects of business and collabs. But that doesn't make anyone who's upset about prices any less valid either!

[orchid knot]

omw to have a word with EA about this, I want muns back /j

[lavish matrix]

Really??? I used to remember it was to buy to own 👀 that's neat hehe

[broken vale]

okok

[red portal]

yeah you can get it for free on steam now!

[orchid knot]

Omg yeah they ditched origin, goodbye all my packs

[ebon remnant]

I think it has to do with the fact that after completing the game a few times sky is left with very little content. Except from the events and seasons(that often focus on cosmetics) We as players are left with the only actual goal of collecting cosmetics. While in games like fortnite the issue cosmetics isn’t as strong because of the overall main gameplay

[balmy tapir]

Main gameplay of sky is socialising

[lavish matrix]

Exactly, plus its meant to be a relaxing socialising game not adventure type beat

[broken vale]

I can socialize here too ...

[lavish matrix]

It's a different experience socialising with friends in sky like being able to virtually interact your friends rather than sending chats or texts

[hardy prism]

sky’s got a lot of different game purposes

[red portal]

nailed it right on the head! which is why that olympics event felt so much more fun to me. you could easily collect tickets by enjoying the minigames. it made the game feel like, well, a game

[hardy prism]

YES!! tournament of triumph was so fun (despite the major rages) i loved how they implemented different minigames

[lavish matrix]

Sky as a whole focuses more on emotional connection, like its been pointed out as one of the core values

That's why we don't get as much adventure type activities like trials or tourneys xD they are fun tbh

[balmy tapir]

Yeah and in overwatch you get like one skin for like 25$ that's not even a cosmetic you can combine, and you have to buy a currency pack that doesn't give you an exact amount instead of buying it directly for its price. This a more fair comparison since both are online games. Or you can also buy a full complete game for 20$.
Nobody is arguing sky isn't pricy, but its prices are around industry standard, so to speak. It's probably tied into them having to give cuts to the stores or ip holders, maintain the servers and all that, outside of constantly developing the game

[ebon remnant]

When we socialize we have a very strong urge to express our own identity or who we are to others. And well we often do that through our looks. Especially since our skykids are meant to represent us. It can feel really upsetting if we feel as if we have to pay to represent ourselves. And matter of fact cosmetics are meant to be an important aspect of sky, it’s included in every event, season and the main game. Everyone wears cosmetics and talks about grinding for more.

[lavish matrix]

We're getting more things than before imo, we got nesting, weekly music challenges and even music instruments as additional gameplay feature

[cloud ocean]

in regards to “everyone talks about grinding”… yeah! I mean just mention shattering and watch everyone talk about how much they’re running and saving for it

[ebon remnant]

That’s a good point! Not to mention the icg items from mischief looks really good

[lavish matrix]

Yeah! But take it with grain of salt these items may not be final yet

[ebon remnant]

Yea! A main mechanic of sky that we learn at the very start is candols

[orchid knot]

In any case I do think at times the whole for or against tgc waters down A Lot of the nuance of debates like this because I don't personally think every decision any one company makes is good and in a capitalist society more often than not consumers will be hurt, but I also don't agree that it's as black and white as tgc are greedy. It's not so much about defending them as it is about trying to understand the reasons behind decisions past "money grabbing" because if we do look at it in more depth the money they make does go back into the game in a lot of ways. They've upgraded tech, they've developed seasonal content way more than back in ye olde days, sky is a lot bigger and polished now than it was years ago (sneaky bugs aside) and a lot of money will go into the things that allow for all of that (hiring more devs, programmes and tech investments, server maintenance and stability, and so much more)

And I also know the focus during collab discussions is aimed solely at tgc where I don't think it's as simple as that for reasons mentioned earlier in chat

So for me personally I'm just interested in the bigger picture and learning about all the cogs that go into the game development and why this might mean IAPs are the way they are

But that's not to say I haven't felt the sting and upset before too and I was a lot less understanding when I first joined beta compared to now

[hardy prism]

that’s why it’s important to send your opinions in #beta-feedback everyoneeee speak your truth respectfully..

[lavish matrix]

Also yeah as poison points out that tgc constantly develop new things for sky bc it's a live service game after all, so they need to pay employees working there too

[orchid knot]

did the convo move on

[ebon remnant]

Uh oh I’m jinxing it ain’t I

[lavish matrix]

I just read ur big message and you made good points!

[orchid knot]

Idk cause in fortnite the gameplay is repetitive much like sky but in a different way, so again I wonder how much is just different expectations from different game genres maybe 🤔 but also an interesting point!

[frozen quest]

Does anyone still get bug in the 3rd quest ?

[lavish matrix]

I will say, the first 4 seasons you have to get the pass in order to see the final season cutscenes

I think generally it's much better that we can experience seasonal storyline for free

[ebon remnant]

This is really well written Bubba^^ I do agree with ur points here and I sure have learnt a lot too. Like looking a bit past «Money grabbing» and understanding that the money soent is also invested into the game

[balmy tapir]

Yes. And I think it's nice they've started including more free items during events, etc. I do agree that it can be annoying to not be able to get what you want, but that's just kinda life. Sky is relatively generous in that it returns previous season spirits and events, so you always have the next try at the very least. That's why I find collabs much more stressful, since all the items are so much more limited

[lavish matrix]

I'm so glad that you're learning new things, that's what I'd love to see

[high atlas]

Ah yeah I remember when the game didn't have any igc stuff for events. They used to be solely iaps. It's really great they are always doing their best to make more igc stuff for everyone to get!

[lavish matrix]

Omg yeah I was like what when I saw the early events having more iaps than igc so I'd say I'm really happy about it

[orchid knot]

Thank you
In an ideal world I would love if IAP prices were lower, localised, and allowed more players to enjoy them and I wonder in what ways tgc could address these things whilst still being able to make money to invest back into Sky so it doesn't end up lacking in other aspects

[red portal]

aye fr! and for me personally, these iap things would hit a whole lot less hard if there were more clear communication between the players and the team. so we know what to expect and don't come to face any surprises when the items go to live. one of the things that comes with being a long time sky player and seeing all these changes, i think is also seeing what used to be better. i remember people used to be able to see the prices of iap items, before they were removed in beta. and over time it's tiny choices like that that have stacked up for me and keep making me raise a brow, to the point that I can't help but ask "is this choice really purely needed for server costs and improving the game?"

[ebon remnant]

Thank to you too Grey! I see you being very patient with me and it’s appreciated^^ Thank you for taking time to explain in depth and give some good reasonable arguments. One thing I can say I’ll never complain about is how human and understanding this community can be

[lavish matrix]

yee I'm glad to be able to share my views based on my experience with the industry

[pine hare]

Oh i agree with that

[hardy prism]

interesting perspectives

[ebon remnant]

Aye if I could watch a hundred ads just to get an iap I’d do it! (Voluntary ads not pop ups god no) like a lil button u could clicka hundred times

[lavish matrix]

Especially how tech in general has gotten more expensive nowadays (see the chip prices for computers )

So keeping up with large server base over time definitely takes a huge part of the revenue

Also I may be wrong but I saw a developer for an app called Cara, they said that the fee to maintain its server had gone up to thousands of dollars (I can't remember the exact price but it's 60k per year? )

[orchid knot]

Yeah the price removal from beta upset me a lot when it happened, but I also think about how it helped to curb reliance on beta for the preview aspect because again with other games I don't think I've seen communities rely on public beta testing to prepare themselves for how much something will be either for IGC or IAPs, and again that could the way different games and companies handle their IGC and IAP consistency, maybe players there feel less inclined to worry about things whereas in sky there's a lot of worry even for igc items about how much time it takes to collect candles, how much more items cost even in candles these days than previously and so on!

As a tester it's helped me focus more on the actual content than worrying about what will or won't be IAP but it was something to get used to and I would like to think it's not because tgc are purposefully hiding things to blindside players but simply to make the testing programme and environment more efficient

[pine hare]

Oh heck yeah i would >:D

[orchid knot]

"You're about to be reborn, but first here's a 2 minute ad on why washing machines live longer with calgon!"

[pine hare]

Imagine that, i mean if some want to buy it or some could like wathc a ton of ads to get it

[lavish matrix]

Considering that cara is a very small app with not a lot of users in there I can't imagine sky with millions of players

[pine hare]

Let me just go watch tv for a while

[balmy tapir]

I'll say, if anything moomin season does look expensive. We got twice the amount of quests, and they also had to make the environments and the character models. Some other extras in the area too. It's a lot compared to your usual season, and bet moomin ip ain't cheap either

[pine hare]

Yeah i thougth that too

[ionic pendant]

If there was a Skywebshop link to watch ads to add IAP money to a wallet on my sky account I would also watch a ton. As long as they stay out of the actual game I'd be happy as a clam to let the ads play while I draw or something.

[pine hare]

Its kinda sad but also understandable, many of us will have to just deal with not having those cosmetics

[orchid knot]

Sky ads but they're all just travelling spirits advertising everyday household products around the kingdom

[balmy tapir]

They started including them more when I started playing, so during mischief it was like, wow whole three free items

[ionic pendant]

I'll probably give into them one at a time stretched over the course of the few months that the season goes on but my wallet and I will cry together. 💸

[frail merlin]

we get a (bugged) pop up about ads every time when returning home on mac so maybe that isnt so far off /hj

[orchid knot]

This for real! It was the same during aurora, the quality of the season content and the depth of what we experienced seemed to me personally why we had a few IAPs, not to mention the unique features like aurora voice and concert cape

I wonder if moomin items will provide any unique features like that

[orchid knot]

Mac users experiencing the future of sky

[frail merlin]

so true

[pine hare]

I sure hope someone feels petty for my poor self and gives me something of the moomin season

May be too much to ask but dreaming is free

[ionic pendant]

Fingers crossed that there'll be giveaways or something. Maybe hosted by the Creator's troupe? I have such a hard time keeping track of them all though. ^_^;

[lavish matrix]

Yeah! It really depends on how much had gone to the development of the season content itself

@ionic pendant the creator troupe host giveaways often!

[ionic pendant]

I hope the plush lets us hang out in Moomin house with the characters or something. That would be pretty great. ^_^

[pine hare]

Oh same, i hope for the season pass or any cosmetic

[lavish matrix]

Also what poison said made me realise that there's indeed SO MUCH content in the season

Like double number of quests, not to mention the storybook side quests

[ionic pendant]

I keep trying to search for them when new events start/ are about to start but I can't seem to find them.

[orchid knot]

I need to go find the story memory things cause apparently there's 5 now but I've only seen the first 2 from past builds

[lavish matrix]

Try Nastymold's own discord server, they host a lot of giveaways there

[frail merlin]

yee that would be cute, kinda like the cinnamoroll plushie

[pine hare]

:0 do you have a link??

[ionic pendant]

I actually have the giveaway channel there set to ping me whenever there's anything and I still peek at it too but there hasn't been much lately besides season passes which I usually get right away with a friend pitching in for the three pack. ^_^;;

[pine hare]

I want to know how to get in the giveaway channel pwese

[lavish matrix]

I'll dm u

[pine hare]

Thanks :D.

[ionic pendant]

I knew the collab would have some iaps for sure but I was really hoping at least the tail was simple looking enough to sneak into the seasonal items, and I'll still hold out a smidgen of hope that the Snufkin things could switch to igc ults.

[lavish matrix]

hmm I doubt snufkin items would be igc ults, bc snufkin isn't a major role in Ninny's story imo

We can dream tho

[somber oyster]

Hey Maya! Im backreading the conversation, and I do want to touch on something you said about transparency in collaboration seasons.

This post by Sagomay (#beta-discussion message) explains at the end how collab seasons are unique situations.

It is possible that, because contracted Intellectual Property is involved, TGC just simply can’t explain why some cosmetics are IAP and others aren’t. As players we simply don’t know what their contract with the Moomin team entails.

To avoid confusion, what I’m referring to in Sagomay’s message is this:

In some cases, there are legal/external circumstances that prevent us from doing or making something even if we want to. Those are particularly not fun when it comes to conversations with you all because those circumstances are almost always something that mean we can't go making announcements about it

[lavish matrix]

Sof to the rescue
Omg I didn't know that they had addressed it once

Thank u sm

[somber oyster]

Well it’s safe to say this is a generally encompassing message by Sagomay. I’m just throwing it out here as a general reminder to everyone - contracted IP are complex!

[pine hare]

Understadable, still sad tho

[orchid knot]

Ohh I have a guess that maybe the invisible pants could be the igc ult since they're base game but still are Ninny related, it's a complete guess of course but it would mean at least those attending during the season could get them if they do another big candle ult like past collabs

[lavish matrix]

Yeah copyrights is a double edged sword bc it offers protection to creator's intellectual property but also it comes with hefty price

[ionic pendant]

Ah, I remember that Sago message. I figure it still doesn't hurt to let them know what we'd like to see change. Not going to throw a fit at them in the end if it has to be the way it looks now but my buddy wants a lot of the things that are slated to be iaps for now too and they're very broke. I'll try to get them what I can if anything but I don't want them to be disappointed with the whole season because they couldn't get any of their favorites in the end.

[orchid knot]

Omg first time visiting the void since the update and mannequins

[lavish matrix]

Imagine they look at you

[ionic pendant]

Invisi-pants would make sense as an igc ult too but I think more people would be satisfied by Snufkin drip if there's the tiniest chance it could be that instead.

[somber oyster]

100% please always let the devs know about your experience!

It is a very unique (and I assume well loved) collab partner. Player experiences are important - please do send in your feedback because ~~ not to sound like a broken record but here we go again ~~ nothing is final until it’s in Live.

[orchid knot]

Omg it's mama dress quest !!!

[ionic pendant]

Oh I let them know, hopefully not too much lol.

[pine hare]

I hope the best for the invisible pants or the tail

[orchid knot]

NAUR THE READ EMOTE HAS LEVEL 3 AND 4

[lavish matrix]

FR?

[orchid knot]

I'm reading an invisible book whilst laying on belly

[lavish matrix]

AWWWW so cute whaddahecck

Wonder what'll be the 4th void quest

[bleak mural]

Omg where!

[orchid knot]

Do 4th main story quest and it’s after that

[olive forum]

For a moment I jokingly talked about this event being a Little Prince 2.0 of the beta, but I didn't think people would really go against it, which by the way I'm also against with so many cool cosmetics being paid for outside of the pass.

[orchid knot]

Update on this I've found 6

[lavish matrix]

It's so sweet that they make a tribute to Tove's other books too

[safe obsidian]

I have a strong dislike for the amount of furniture items in the newer seasons post nesting. It feels incredibly bad to get half to cosmetics that we used to get. (Especially with duets being half posters) i did make a feedback post

[lavish matrix]

Also since they made an update to the striped scarf, what does it look like now

[buoyant heart]

As far as we can tell, it looks the same as it did in the previous update

[golden ore]

The striped scarf still look like toes socks to me.

[lavish matrix]

Toe ticky

[icy isle]

hopefully we have a free igc like the last 3 collab seasons..

[lavish matrix]

I can't wait to see what they'll be too

[icy isle]

i genuinely wished it was the silly little snufkin hat or anything related to him

[lavish matrix]

given that the season focuses a lot on Ninny's story, I wonder if one of her cosmetics will be igc ult item

[icy isle]

a lot of her cosmetics seem to be apart of the season pass, with one of them being an iap (the cape)

[lavish matrix]

oh right
who knows there'll be more unreleased items but we'll see

At least I'm really happy that the flower crown is a seasonal item (I suspected it so tbh)

It's so gorgeous

[icy isle]

i agree!
most of items i also like seem to be in the season too

[lavish matrix]

As for hattifatteners cape, it's technically a semi transparent item and I'm surprised that it's in season pass

Bc for the past cases the transparent capes are usually ults or iaps

AWW the book reading emote is so stinking cute

[crimson solar]

Just asking

So we can't get the full set of a character with Season Pass unless we buy the IAP?

[balmy wind]

Its too ugly to be ult lol

[lavish matrix]

its subjective, I think it's really unique item lol I don't think we can say all seasonal pass items ugly just to make tgc seem like put cool things on the pay walls

It's all dependent on people's tastes xD

Tbh hattifatteners isn't featured in Ninny's story so safe to say it's not meant to be an ult

[buoyant heart]

Everything is a matter of personal taste; I think the Hattifatteners cape is really goofy and fun, and am excited to grab it during the Season in Live! But I can understand why others don't find it appealing

[lavish matrix]

the

[balmy wind]

I guess that kinda makes sense. It just sucks that the pretty cape isnt in the hatti cape place.

[long thicket]

i thought the cape was ugly, but the more i looked at it.. the more i found it cute

[lavish matrix]

I'm sure ninny's cape will be the thing that has a teleport feature for this season?

[buoyant heart]

Possibly! I'm suprised it's an IAP; I was totally expecting it to be maybe Pass-locked or an ult instead, so it would make sense if it had a special feature. I'm just curious to see what that could possibly be (if that's the plan at all)

[lavish matrix]

probably we'll know in later builds ooooor 27.5

to me the special bell icons on the back is kinda a dead giveaway (is the spelling correct lol???)

[dawn heart]

I think furniture should be IAP, such as those paintings, and return the cosmetics to the season tree

[lavish matrix]

hmm it's tricky, because the cosmetics are directly lifted off the moomin characters, so there's an issue when it comes to licensing, because seasonal trees will return as TS after the season ends

That's why during encore, only the iap items and igc ult trees (not ult ult tho lol and none of the spirit items, bc theyll come back as TS soon) returned, because they may had renewed aurora collab license just for the event

Due to intellectual property protections, tgc just can't freely make the items that are direct references to the IP return once after the season has ended

(it can vary among different IPs)

[hushed charm]

Also i think with the amount of items, we still seem to get the average amount of pass stuff without counting the furniture, gonna have to wait to see the full trees to confirm that, but theres at least 11 visible on the manikins so far rn, the average is 15-16 counting ults

[lavish matrix]

yeah we haven't seen what are ults on the storybook guide tree, nor the igc ult items so that leaves me to wonder

[lavish matrix]

I looked again but the moomin inspired pants isn't visible on the mannequins?? 👁👁 maybe it's bugged or smth like the trees without the pass branches

[blissful grove]

Invisible Outfit(or whatever it is called) is pretty basic.. not even 0.01% different from the moth outfit except the skin. Expected a little difference atleast after sending feedbacks a million times

[calm spoke]

I think we dont even need furnitures in EVERY season after nesting. Its just there to fill places and avoid make more cosmetics

[dawn heart]

That's what I'm saying👍The nesting season is over,Don't add too much furniture to the tree in other seasons…Because of the quantity limit, I can't put more furniture in my house🥺I want a new voice, emotion, movement, stance and Mask.Stop being lazy plz

[pseudo cedar]

what the, WHAT THEY DID NOT JUST MAKE ALMOST HALF OF THE SEASON IAP 💀💀

[solar lark]

Why is everyone surprised that the collab season is iaps

[pseudo cedar]

That's normal but NOT WHEN THERES LIKE 6?? It's giving little prince beta testing

[hushed charm]

(And why people are mentioning little prince over Aurora)

[orchid knot]

didn't aurora have a lot of IAPs too? I don't remember how many but I do remember being broke after

[solar lark]

Aurora had 7

[orchid knot]

No wonder wallet empty, but it was worth it

[untold junco]

Same

I hope they’ll move some of the iaps to the limited igc items

[hushed charm]

The concern i do have with the IAPs is that theres the chance to have even more at .5

[orchid knot]

I was thinking maybe invisible pants would be good igc ult but what if moomin tail and ears that could be nice

[solar lark]

That entirely depends on whether the IP lets them

[untold junco]

I just hope the 2 sillies sitting on ur shoulder will be somehow free in future builds

[solar lark]

Haven't been on beta in a bit, are the items even shown in the store?

[hushed charm]

After the update yeah

[dawn heart]

Nine-color deer has only 2

And there's no furniture

[deep cloud]

Hopefully it less than $25, at least i can immediately become Snufkin after update

[dawn heart]

Should I be glad the season came early? Or we'll have a bunch of deer posters, deer rugs, useless cans😕

[icy isle]

aurora has more iaps than moomin- 💀

[hushed charm]

*For now

[solar lark]

I don't see any of the items becoming igc, they're too heavily associated with the characters

[icy isle]

i agree, unless they become like the 200 candle pants moment

[solar lark]

Not even that tbh

[proven lark]

Can you share me the link of their giveaway contest too?

[cloud ocean]

On the bright side, if none of the season trees are worth spending candles on, it means more candles for conversion at the end of the season

[dawn heart]

So that's why they make the most useful the ultimate reward💀

[ashen sonnet]

🫣 every item I wanted are now in IAP!

[sinful pier]

Very disappointed bcs I love moomin so much (im broke) 😢

[frigid cosmos]

how do I find tickets? m so lost.. the halloween currency

[indigo trail]

Doesn't Ninny's outfit feel a little plain? With it being a default moff outfit and all. I wished it was... Idk, more colorful lol, maybe I'm wrong about it looking like a moff outfit

[indigo trail]

Hopefully, because I would pay those 200 candles for it lol

Like, please, give me snuffkin hat 😔🫴 or ninny cape🤲

[rich silo]

I finally backread chat

Only thing I have to say is #beta-feedback away make your thoughts heard

[orchid knot]

Well it's meant to represent her being invisible of course and back then she was wearing a mouse grey dress and it was representative of how unloved and lacking confidence from all the mistreatment so I wouldn't expect anything fancy

It would be nice to not be default pants at least, but I don't know if it will change

[unkempt flower]

I don’t really know how to put this, but this season, especially with the amount of IAP’s there is, it feels like we should expect to see a flux of users who crack/hack the game to wear things from this season - My partner wanted to bring this up as a point of general concern and we’re both not sure if it’s even worth typing into #beta-feedback because it feels like this season is in the crux of being completed for beta testing use

[rich silo]

I did see that argument of "they put the core characters as IAP" and I'm like
There's an even bigger spread of character representation in the seasonal items as well

Hey hey even if said in frustration, you shouldn't bring up hacking it's against the rules

[unkempt flower]

That wasn’t my intention, it wasn’t even a suggestion of me trying to say players should, it’s a concern that I feel like the incentive for individuals to do so will increase due to it
I really didn’t mean for it to sound that way if it did

[rich silo]

Honestly you have nothing to lose sending feedback
It's better to have your voice heard than not

one such example is it was really late into testing for tournament and I feedbacked that it would be a really bad idea to give the gold crab trophy to the winning team, then TGC actually removed it from the game and it didn't make it into live because of tester feedback

so like 100% send it in

[unkempt flower]

I think I’ll try to get that typed into there, I just worry if staff care about non-beta testers to voice concerns, it sometimes feels a little hopeless especially after the bigger reports I’d put in during season of nesting with the (personal opinion of) price gouging the non-season furniture, it’s not a doubt they don’t listen, it’s a doubt of it being lost on deaf ears

[rich silo]

you don't need to be a tester to send feedback
I wasn't a tester for a year and sent feedback anyway, all opinions are heard

also IAP/igc split is something universal across all players regardless of if they are a tester or not tbh

[rich silo]

they've updated that in this current patch to adjust the pricing to only cost the lowest amount per furniture item, then if you want to buy more copies you pay the same price to get more

it has 100% been updated

[orchid knot]

If you feel it's relevant to feedback then it's worth it, tgc will take it into consideration but I think at the end of the day that's something they will deal with as they always have with people breaking ToS and it's not on players to worry about an influx like that so try not to worry too much as a player about those things because there's only so much we can do in terms of reporting and it's not on us to consider how IAPs will or won't incentivise rule breaking

[unkempt flower]

That’s actually extremely reassuring to hear, it’s nice to know that you, yourself, wasn’t a beta tester for a year but was able to submit beta feedback - I think that’s extremely reassuring that it definitely helps! I may not be a Sky beta tester but I’ve beta tested other games and know that some companies seem to prefer the people they have applied rather than general feedback, so it is reassuring to know TGC values both!

[rich silo]

ye ye don't worry just send away

like part of the reason I keep up the beta log is because people like voi who made their own archive back then was EXTREMELY helpful for me who wasn't in beta to have pictures to edit over for feedback
esp since fit reqs aren't allowed in beta either

granted my version is way more wordy but I just like writing out the changes because sometimes it's not easily recognisable at a glance

[indigo trail]

Ahhh!! Alright, now it makes a lot more sense for it to be default clothes. I'm content with the clothes being as they are then. Ty for the info!

[unkempt flower]

Woah, I actually had no idea they did update this! That’s very reassuring to know, I had been worrying myself sick about the fact it seemed like they were overpricing smaller end things, (i.e a pillow for 40+ hearts 😓) - And etc — But honestly both of y’all are so kind, my partner and I just worry for the game rather than anything else, and I’m so glad you two do seem to understand it’s not at all coming from a place of “hate” ;;

[orchid knot]

No problem! We do also have the cape for Ninny which is the dress Moominmamma makes her partway through the story which is really pretty

[rich silo]

well it's because you deeply care about the game that you have such frustrations that's a natural human reaction

I just think it's more productive to send thoughts to a place where the developers will 100% read it (#beta-feedback) cuz sometimes the conversation goes in circles and I'm like everyone is valid to their own thoughts but ultimately it do be in the hands of the devs for the final decision

[orchid knot]

it's worth mentioning tgc also know when players worry about things it normally comes from a place of passion and love for the game and they do welcome constructive criticism and even negative feedback helps them make changes to improve player experience, they will have their own vision for what they want the game to be but player feedback is super valuable because at the heart of it all they want people to enjoy sky

[rich silo]

which is why they say it's okay to hate on the company entity to let out frustration but don't direct it at individuals cuz ya know, gotta have a punching bag somewhere

[orchid knot]

Btw Cy did you see they added new story memories idk if you or wren have been looking at those but there's now 6

[rich silo]

in theeee free explore butterfly space? I did see that sniff showed up

[orchid knot]

Yeah! They're little moments from different moomin stories, I think they're based on at least one per book but some are all listed as tales of moomin rn which might be placeholder (there's also 8 books in the original series so idk if we'll get another two memories)

you get to see hattifatteners :D

[rich silo]

:0c the little guys!!

[lavish matrix]

so I read that adding furniture items into the trees was to avoid adding more cosmetics and calling tgc lazy for that? I really doubt that. The furnitures are very on theme with the Season, its nice to have more things to decorate one's nests and more options for players going forward :D

I don't know why furnitures is this disliked even tho I feel cosmetics vs furniture ratio, cosmetics are still a lot more in this season

[orchid knot]

I think it comes from people being used to cosmetic heavy seasons for so long and not everybody is interested in shared spaces or nests so furniture might get in the way of what they personally enjoy, but I think for others having more furniture and props is great cause more customisation for nest

[lavish matrix]

yup!! I really love the vintage feel of the furnitures, definitely a good variety of items in our nests instead of just being limited to stone ones

[jade spire]

to me, cosmetics are worth a lot more than furniture, even though i enjoy decorating. the furniture that is available in the spirit trees could very easily be replaced with what they’re planning to make IAPs!! adding furniture where there would usually be cosmetics is super disappointing and feels like they’re trying their hardest to milk as much money as possible

[lavish matrix]

It's not them trying to milk as much money as possible, it's bound by the IP contract and license. The iaps are very direct references to Moomin hence the copyrighted, because seasonal items will return way after the season, which means it's beyond the licensing agreed timeframe and for free (igc) which isn't legally allowed.

I know it's disappointing but it's how copyrights and licensing works. And tgc would have to pay for the license too, I doubt Moomin licensing brand is cheap

[rich silo]

I actually love the fact they keep adding furniture because the nest is truly lacking colour and seasons add that option in and also stylistic variety

like they don't just toss in a season with furniture update and never touch it again ya know, it's being consistently maintained

[orchid knot]

I wonder where the picture will end up 🤔

[lavish matrix]

I'm thinking it might be an igc reward for quest tree (looks like the final quest thing) or first tier ult

[orchid knot]

I do not see that going down well 😭 but I will cherish it no matter what it’s going next to nesting painting

[lavish matrix]

The framed picture is quite meaningful, you've got to see the whole family and you (as a butterfly)

[rich silo]

tbh I think it'll just be the final ult igc because it just works

[lavish matrix]

And what about the umbrella tho 👁👁 expected it to be iap but I'm surprised its not

[orchid knot]

We had a meaningful ult last time and it was not a happy reception 😔 but again I loved that one too, I really like that they have underlying emotive meanings behind ults and they're not just there for the sake of fancy item

[jade spire]

ahh i understand, i just think one or two IAPs could totally be in the season tree!! such as the cape and ears/tail. it’s just quite worrying as the amount of IAPs TGC is inputting into the game seems to be constantly increasing & it’s really distressing, this isn’t an issue limited to the moomin cosmetics

[rich silo]

re: constantly increasing

it's a collab season, this is normal for a collab season

[lavish matrix]

Aurora had far more iaps to be fair, there's 7 in total and they're expensive as heck

9cd had fewer but it's simply bc the season's story is only based on Buddhist folk legend so it's not copyright able, only the deer design for the animated film

[jade spire]

yes, im aware, i feel my messages aren’t being understood !! by constantly increasing i wasn’t specifically talking about this season, but rather i feel in general TGC has been making lots of things IAP when they would do just fine as IGC!!

[lavish matrix]

Sad, I genuinely love the poster too, it's something we treasure too

[rich silo]

in this case it's not solely a TGC problem than it is what the IP holder wants tbh
like how cinnamoroll cosmetics, anything with the lil guy in them were only IAP because that's just what Sanrio wanted

[solar lark]

There's always at least 1-2 new IAPs with every event as well, that's always been the case since the beginning it's not something new.
There's no increase, it's remained the same for 5 years

[lavish matrix]

That too! And we always get more igc items than iaps per event too

[rich silo]

with the introduction of EC, they've been able to introduce an even split between the amount of IAP and IGC also for the most part also which is nice (though rip for following year costs)

[lavish matrix]

Back then, in the early years of the game like around 2019 and 2020, during the events like mischief of Feast, we don't get a lot of igc, it's just iap fest
Like we got 1 igc and many many iaps per event at that time

Also in the first 4 seasons, (Rhythm, Gratitude, Belonging and Lightseekers), you have to buy the passes just to be able to witness the season end cutscene

[jade spire]

i hear you guys i guess for me, personally, when events come around and everything seeing the distinction between IGC and IAPs has been frustrating, but it’s understandable considering how long the game has been running now. i do appreciate how much this game has grown when it comes to pricing, it’s just still quite frustrating, and i think that’s okay!!

[lavish matrix]

Also I'm betting Ninny cape being the one with the teleport function, which is why it's iap aside from it being very Ninny inspired

[jade spire]

i would’ve thought the tail and ears were ‘simple’ enough that they could put it in the season tree

[lavish matrix]

yeah I thought too, but makes sense bc it's directly moomin designs

But might be cheap who knows

[rich silo]

I 100% empathise with the distinction cuz it does suck when things you like ends up costing more money 😔 and can't afford everything it's a sad time

honestly my personal prediction was the hatti shoulder guys would be an ult igc on guide tree but that didn't end up being the case so I'm like welp lmao

[lavish matrix]

I'm surprised that hattifattener cape isn't iap either tbh, like aren't those hands xD but seems like ip decide its not part of their copyright rules

[rich silo]

I empathise but I also understand as a working freelance artist that like
the IP holders also need to make money from the process with how collaborations work and the game cannot run without being funded by the monies so ye

[jade spire]

and the fact that they more than likely won’t be coming back it’s just added pressure. but it’s just going to continue to be a wobbly situation when it comes to collab seasons unfortunately

[lavish matrix]

wish I could've gotten aurora stuff ngl 😭
I was surprised how expensive they are but makes sense bc it's a collab with an acclaimed musician (music labels are notorious for the license prices)

Oi skybot

[spiral needle]

dancing around a shooting star, and every beancell remembers what have taken us this far

[rich silo]

which ultimately is why stuff ends up IAP which is sadge but I personally like to look at it optimistically where the remaining items that can return as TS items are pretty dope the neck accessory closet has been deeply lacking ngl

[vast ledge]

Yeah because there is alot of android variants compared to iPhone so it gets hard to optimize one by one

[lavish matrix]

The flower crown!!! I feel its so luxurious and I'm happy that it's seasonal pass item

[jade spire]

wheeeww agreed im so excited for the neck and head accessories this season the feast scarf i constantly wear can have a rest

[lavish matrix]

The bell though, I love that it rings when you move

[rich silo]

I'm gonna cry and get the snufkin fit but like
there's finally another orange scarf I don't have to keep wearing the remembrance one pleading child I love you but also why are you the only cool thing

[lavish matrix]

I remember wished I have foresters flower crown separate from the hair but yayyyy were going to have almost realistic flower crown

WHY IS THERE GEARBEAN

[grizzled lichen]

ITS EVERYWHERE

[lavish matrix]

WHAT DID I DO

[grizzled lichen]

I DONT KNOW GEARBOT IS BEANING EVERYONE 😭

[modest bison]

Guys, what price is shattering spirits for you (I am not a tester)?

[grizzled lichen]

Shattering prices were not shown in beta, they will be revealed to everyone on monday

[modest bison]

👍🏻

[spiral needle]

you know who rules? The #rules channel rules!

[olive forum]

They limit the fps by hardware, they can easily put 120hz on high end phones, they just don't want it

[zealous charm]

just last night I sent feedback in live that I want some sort of writing or book prop for my nest, so I guess a book reading emote is a win

[rich silo]

but bookshelves though I want da books

[mental vigil]

from might not be reliable predictions i saw (dont remember where) the whole four would cost about 850 ish

[spare sequoia]

Could it be that some iaps from Moomin season will go back to in game currentcy?? Cos They barely left anything for those who can’t pay.. literally just a few items… what are they even thinking

[winter field]

Sadly no! Anything iap (other than what’s in the seasonal spirit trees) will not come back, this is with every collab season or event, can’t say I’m very happy with the next season, it doesn’t feel worth buying the pass this time round 🫶🏼

[spare sequoia]

Yeah, felt that, thank u

[mental vigil]

ive seen cn players making prediction tree for the season and it is almost half season half iap and it looks crazy... i dont know how to feel, my favorite so far is the new emote and i dont think id care that much about anything else

[spare sequoia]

I just wanted for at least the ult to be an iap or something..

[winter field]

The new emote is absolutely amazing 🫶🏼

[winter field]

It really would have made more sense for it to be igc, even as ults, the invisible child’s outfit is super cool but I really don’t think as an ult?

[rich silo]

the tail is an iap though
bundled with the ears headband

[winter field]

I think she just got mixed up with igc 🫶🏼

[rich silo]

from my cursory glance there's still a good amount that's not pass locked like the moomin pants + little my hairstyle

not that that has ever been finalised indication but that's what it currently is

[untold junco]

The bell and snufkin’s cape aren’t locked behind a sp too iirc

[winter field]

No I do agree! There are some really cool free stuff, I think people might just be upset with the Moomin ears and tail being iaps instead of igc or ults, but there’s a nice selection of igc this time round too

[rich silo]

which is kind of wild cuz the bell makes a unique sound + the cape is pretty special looking with the gradient

[modest bison]

In another game I played, Play Together, if you didn't have a sp you couldn't get anything cool at all.
In Sky you can get some, so half pass half iap, annoying, but still better than PT

[raven oyster]

Any update on the invisible child pants and moomin pants? I haven't seen them on either IAP shop or potential season items.

[untold junco]

Right? I was like 100% sure the bell would be a season pass item but i was wrong

[rich silo]

initial shock aside, the items available for f2p is quite generous ngl
the moomin pants being non ap is dope

[untold junco]

The instrument is also free

[rich silo]

flower crown not being IAP I'm like for real 😂 it's so ornate
it is pass locked but like, that's still pretty darn good

[untold junco]

I dunno the season seems like any other season. Cool stuff will always be locked behind a season pass

[orchid knot]

what the beans doing

[untold junco]

Who let them out of the basement

[rich silo]

it is also subjective end of day, as always
but I think like, the general spread of spirit items representing the season as a whole is pretty great

esp looking at the file names for the npcs

[untold junco]

Yeah it looks fair to me

[grizzled lichen]

uhh so the ban on discussing which item is pass/not pass locked is over?

[rich silo]

the emote being on the guide tree is also dope because people don't need to wait for the spirits to come back to unlock it, and it is super fitting since the guide is a huge picture book

re: rai
there's never been a ban, you're just not allowed to make guides
discussion is totally fine

[rancid bramble]

Fearbot seems really enthusiastic today

[grizzled lichen]

oh good glad to see the instrument free

[untold junco]

It’s also right after the first quest?

[rich silo]

like as long as someone here doesn't make a pass locked vs f2p item guide, discussing without a centralised document as reference is good, is my understanding

cuz the problem is people always take it out of context and share it and then ppl believe it to be real then when it changes in live ppl get upsetti spaghetti and yada yada XD

[molten bison]

I think, Snufkin cosmetics should go to pass, and moomin like cosmetics should go to iap

[rich silo]

there are snufkin cosmetics that are both pass and f2p though + IAP
like his items are spread out

[untold junco]

I think the cape is f2p and the rest is iap?

[rich silo]

harmonicaaa

[untold junco]

Oooh harmonica is also free

[sinful pier]

Why is fearbot going crazy 😭

[molten bison]

Like... Why average red cape is iap (probably with bonus), and Gloves (with Unique animation of Charging) is pass cosmetics?

[misty walrus]

I can’t really say I’m surprised with how the items are arranged rn (in terms of f2p and iap things i mean)

[untold junco]

Ninny’s cape was going to be either an ult or an iap because the cape have special bell wedges

[sinful pier]

I wish I can view the items but for some reason I can't open my beta acc

[molten bison]

No? Because, we have some free capes (example Violet cape from duet) with special wedges

[somber bridge]

My guess is it will probably teleport us to the season area or a special place (just like every collab season)

[molten bison]

Yeah, but I don't think that cape really Worthy for it

[rich silo]

don't rule out the possibility of the plushie doing something too though the current seasonal area doesn't make that look likely

[rich silo]

it was still a good guess because it was the only cape that had special wedges and those are generally more distinct

for duets both of the capes had the special wedge so it worked out that way

[molten bison]

Stop, It seems like all capes from Season of Belonging have a special wedges?

[untold junco]

Not really, there are two types of typical wedges

[misty walrus]

i can only guess that the cape will teleport us somewhere
It seems to be a running theme in collab season to have one cape that teleports you to a related space

[untold junco]

Special wedges like a bell, a cat, a snowflake etc

[rich silo]

I mean by this logic, the bloom capes also have special wedges iirc
all except for the sakura cape have the belonging wedge
feast igc cape also has the belonging wedge

theee ocean capes share the same wedge (iap and igc)

[misty walrus]

Im kinda sad over how many iap’s there is this season, i get why since collabs are expensive but i hope they fix the spirit trees so more f2p players can get good items and within the season rather than only props

[rich silo]

ngl part of me thinks that the reason they're going the prop route is to flesh out the trees a bit more in place of emotes since there hasn't been any new ones for a hot minute

[misty walrus]

Fair point
But i hope they bring back emotes, its always fun getting more of them. And i’m someone who truly doesnt care much for props

[rich silo]

the book emote is wild though
first time it's an actual physical item you pull out and it's not some light orb looking thing

[misty walrus]

I havent seen much of it, but from what ive seen its really cool

[somber bridge]

I hope next season we will have plenty of emotes

[rich silo]

I am curious how they're gonna run with the new tail closet category can we finally equip toolbelts too

[calm spoke]

SURE if they dont want make new emotes, would make new calls. The furnitures can come ín the days of not in seasons

[lavish matrix]

Design wise what would be the new call for this season. I'm not sure what would be a suitable call in theme for this season. We have harmonica if you want a specific sound tied to the season

[rich silo]

both is good furniture all the time
cuz days events are restrictive to themeing

[calm spoke]

Thats worst. If stay like this, the next seasons wil be half furnitures. Write what I say

[untold junco]

Having furnitures is better than trial spells

[lavish matrix]

Plus for the days event, it's very limited so if we're getting furnitures for days people would complain bc there are not enough themed cosmetics

Typically days events offers 2-3 igc items

[rich silo]

I'm still holding out hope that one day I will get the wasteland weapons but sky is anti violence 😔

[fickle bough]

Spells no one uses and furnitures most people won't use. I'm sad but unsurprised. I was a bit more positive that this comes as a season not just collab but in the end it's the same as if it came as a collab only. Well, at least I'll have tons of candles by the end of the season.

[somber bridge]

The problem is that not everyone really cares about their nest (almost everyone i meet in sky isn't a fan of the nest)

[calm spoke]

Maybe a butterfly call, using that moth call from light awaits

[lavish matrix]

I barely use spells ngl, but there are people who still decorate their nests, I know a lot of people do this too

I do decorate too, especially with tgc still expanding nests right now, especially that we have an option to boot your game in your nest

[rich silo]

I mean, if they are still adding furniture to seasons that means there are people who do want them still

[somber bridge]

And we still have spells after the furniture

[untold junco]

I wouldn’t mind spells if they gave us anything but trial spells😭 back in my days we used to get resizes….

[fickle bough]

I hope they fix the harmonica sound to sound a bit more like harmonica too. I love harmonica and play it IRL but from what I heard recorded in beta it's not really nice

[lavish matrix]

Just because you don't use nests doesn't mean no one cares about nests, there are different types of players, there may be those who enjoy decoration, there are others who care more for outfits etc so it's not one type at all

[untold junco]

Also yeah fair
Nests got abandoned real quick

[fickle bough]

of course there are those that enjoy nests, but if you would do a poll you'd see that more people would prefer cosmetics over furniture

[lavish matrix]

it is the matter of your surrounding perspective ^^

@fickle bough doesn't mean tgc would abandon the feature. They would want to cater to people who care for nests. There are still a good amount of cosmetics plus our closets have been pretty bloated with all the new events and such. We've gotten more igc pants from events so we're pretty quickly filling our closets up from when it was like, 2022

[fickle bough]

I think bloated closets is YOUR perspective as a long time player. 🙂

[calm spoke]

I use my nest sometimes, but the problem isnt have furnitures, is have furniture ALL the time.

Is totally possible add at least one furnitures in days of, like fireplace in feast, aquarium in nature, sofa in style

[lavish matrix]

I've played for 2 years, but let's be Frank, for the first year my closets were filling up VERY slowly but since the EC introduction and the new events, it's been filling up pretty fast now

[lavish matrix]

We're getting cauldron chat bench in mischief as well, we've gotten few props from the past days lately

[solar lark]

people demanding more cosmetics then complaining there's too many things happening at once

[native wind]

fr it's crazy how quickly new players can get cosmetics these days I also noticed it

[lavish matrix]

Yeah! I've noticed bc I literally play sky almost every day, like there's a huge jump in the number of available cosmetics for igc (I don't buy a lot of iaps to be honest)

Not to mention, we have more igc items available for all year round see new seasonal items ie cellist tree and duets mask and so on

[pastel cove]

The event tickets definitely helped for that, as they let moths save candles for other things while still getting event stuff

[lavish matrix]

That too. In my first year of playing, tickets wasn't existing so I had a difficulty of saving for the igcs, and not a lot of igcs readily available either

So the EC opens a way for new players to buy items from 3 sources: the EC days items and igc cosmetics from TS and events, and seasonal candle items

People saying the new events overwhelmed them just shows how much more items available at any given time than it was 2 years ago so i feel tgc is trying to balance cosmetics and furnitures and focus more on the storytelling and player experience (ie the double number of moomin questlines, as well as side stories)

[pastel cove]

I started in 2020 iirc, and yeah the amount of new things to adapt to and and do daily is massive compared to when I started. It's easy enough for me to adapt to as it's been a natural progression, but if I had gotten it all at once like new moths I might've gotten just as overwhelmed ngl

[lavish matrix]

Same xD I'm glad I'm quick to adapt but wow there's indeed a lot of items nowadays xD

[untold junco]

Iirc there were huge gaps in 2020 between events

[rich silo]

tbh more like
players: I want more cosmetics please!
tgc: ok (spread across igc, pass locked, and iap)
players: not like that 😩

[fickle bough]

exactly, it's easy to burn out...and so many events happening with old nice cosmetics the veterans already have but moths don't leaves the moths without any currency leftover for new things. It's a vicious circle.

[untold junco]

Like we got days of love in February and they only introduced the iap swing in it then we got days of healing 2 months later (again no free igc items)😭

[lavish matrix]

but on one hand, I think moths have more opportunities to obtain the cosmetics too

[solar lark]

So the issue isn't about items themselves but pricing and the economy as always

[lavish matrix]

Only that item?? 😭 guess we've been pretty spoiled nowadays

Days of Love beret my beloved

Still I wonder what the grandfather clock's face will be like tho rn it's empty lol

[untold junco]

Yeah😭 events had no story or area too. They just casually added the swing XD

[lavish matrix]

the swing becomes more useful now we have shared spaces and nests

[safe hemlock]

I've been a beta tester for 2 and a half year and sorry I'm 65 yrs old so bear with me here Tgc seem to really take note of what you beta players say. Not long ago requests here were.. wouldnt it be be nice to have this or that instrument..so we have now we have over20 odd instruments..... then wouldnt it be nice to have our own house we could decorate......now we have excessive furniture also because of memory and Shared spaces...that not everyone likes because of the messyness it make it makes of that personal players viewing of their personal game. Be careful what you wish for....coz TGC are taking notice...now apparently it seems too much... just saying...

[calm spoke]

I really love it. Some time ago, tgc started make good seasonal missions

[lavish matrix]

Hi!! I think you've made great points too, I do notice that tgc really takes all the suggestions and requests, especially the recent raven cape had been changed following cy's suggestion on the change too

So it's not like tgc ignores everyone tbh

[safe hemlock]

Don't tap tap me please I find that disrespectful

[solar lark]

cause it was brought up I'm gonna post this here
Stuff TGC added from feedback #seasons-events-chat message

[lavish matrix]

That's a headpat emote by the way

[lavish matrix]

The "violin" cracked me up xD but I love that instrument fr

[safe hemlock]

Head pat to me is..,there there dont worry, get over it....different age groups look at things different ways unfortunately

[lavish matrix]

Also yeah it seems to be possible to move one of iaps to limited time igc but hmm which one though

[untold junco]

the two sillies shoulder creatures hopefully
I just wanna see everyone wearing them

[native wind]

I think the furnitures are fine. Its not like we already have a clock or a chandelier. It just would be kind of fair if they wouldnt put every furniture in f2p (which we still dont know)

[lavish matrix]

Hattifatteners!

Maybe, tho hattis aren't featured in Ninny's story 🤔

[untold junco]

I saw a side story about them

[calm spoke]

I think the moomin items would the candles igc

[drowsy talon]

So, is that cape still a spell, or what? So they're making everything paid items huh

[lavish matrix]

Yeah! Though the seasonal main questlines focus on Ninny's story so maybe the igc might be related to Ninny

[untold junco]

The side story was so silly i love it #beta-screenshots-videos message 😭

[lavish matrix]

@drowsy talon it's available on the mischief tree as igc for one ticket rn, but please move to #beta-discussion

@untold junco THERE ARE SO MANY HATTIS so silly omg

[native wind]

I think so too! The cosmetic distribution isn't surprising at all to me. If I count correctly, there are a total of 28 new items coming. 9 of them are IAP and if two of them are ults, that's a total of 17 seasonal items, which is the maximum that seasons (without ults) have offered. I'm just surprised that they didn't put any limited IGC item in the guide spirit tree and put them ALL in IAP. I hope this will change

[lavish matrix]

I hope so! Also we don't see ult items on the guide tree yet so we'll have to see what will be limited igc item and ults

Oh also the umbrella too!

[rich silo]

there's still the fate of theee moomin family portrait

[untold junco]

Ooh right i forgot about that portrait

[native wind]

Yeah, whats up with the family portrait? it doesnt seem to appear in IAPs nor the mannequins maybe there is 3 ults

[lavish matrix]

Oh yeah I forgot the tent! Is the tent on the seasonal tree?

[rich silo]

maybe it's an igc ult that goes away after season end and it's at the end of the guide tree cuz it would make sense following the animation storyline

[calm spoke]

Maybe will be iap

[lavish matrix]

Hmm who knows but if it's an iap it should be shown already

[rich silo]

tbh I'm surprised the tent wasn't IAP it's so heckin huge + the custom back model is pretty big

[untold junco]

Do we still crawl in tents?

[harsh torrent]

I think collabs in Sky are a net negative, if I'm being honest. Yes, they have good stories, but so do base-game seasons, and the collabs usually have a ridiculous amount of caveats

[native wind]

I dont think it will be IAP because its standing there where the mannequins are

[delicate echo]

Probably sp item

[solar lark]

The moomin plush and snufkin pack are fairly easy to definitively say they'll be iap

[orchid knot]

Personally I enjoy them, so far I think each collab has been beautifully incorporated into Sky and I enjoy them interspersed amongst regular seasons

[echo mauve]

Fomo is gonna be horrible next season hoo boy

I do dislike the amount of items are IAP i feel like 9 (this is estimated of course) is WAYYY more then previous collabs seasons.

The petit prince collab had 3 i believe.

And 9 colored deer also had about 3 or maybe 4.

9 is a huge leap in my opinion. Hopefully feedback on that matter could help?

[rich silo]

aurora had 8, 9cd had 3

[finite anchor]

I like collab season quests since they're usually more complex than the average fetch quest

but sometimes it feels like "normal" sky seasons get the short end of the stick whenever there's a collab season coming up :') mostly when it comes to quests. one quest is "fetch these objects" and then the final quest is "fetch the spirits" lol

[mental salmon]

TGC... Make the snufkin set limited IGC even if it costs 500 candles... And my life is youurs...

[rich silo]

submit to #beta-feedback

[echo mauve]

right. Forgot about that cuz i only ever bought two things from it. Though honestly 8-9 is still really to much but its still in beta so maybe we can still have changes made hopefully because i do think its ratger...i guess unfair?? To folks who obviously wont be able to gnab all of them (wich is probably a big majority)

[ember hull]

How long do you think it took them to model trees and stuff?
I imagine a bunch of them copy and paste

[rich silo]

probably back when the weird fluff passage cape came out they were already trying to figure it out a bit

ely I think they count individual items, not the amount of packs

[solar lark]

There's only 6 items in the shop, don't know where you're getting 8/9 from

[echo mauve]

Sorry got it from this

Also the 8 was from cy mentioning season of Aurora. Thought 6 even to me is still ALLOT.

[finite anchor]

6 items in the shop but 8 cosmetics, no? since there are two packs with 2 cosmetics

[rich silo]

1. tiara 2) voice instrument 3) grey runaway pants 4) short hairstyle 5) orange gold dress 6) gold wings 7) fruit roll-up cape 8) encore 10k shoes
   I think that's all of them

[lavish matrix]

Fruit loop cape 😭

Okay actually I think reading emote is such a neat emote, you can actually chill in your own nest, being a nerd hehehe

Also i really forgot about the tiara iap from aurora 😭 so yeah there's 8 of them in total, 7 if you only count season iap

[cloud ocean]

And technically speaking the 10k shoes were added afterwards so during the season it was 6 (aside from season pass)

[rich silo]

isn't it 7 then lol

aurora had 7+1 going for it (8 for duration)
moomin has (currently) 6 IAP but 8 items total

[solar lark]

TLP and 9CD didn't really have many iconic/copyrighted designs, make sense they would have less compared to Moomin

[ember hull]

What are these 10k shoes you're talking about?

[rich silo]

also a lot less iconic characters
moomin is the first case of like, a much bigger cast

the 10k shoes were unique to the world record concert

[lavish matrix]

Yeee the only iconic copyrighted designs for those seasons are the Prince (and planets I guess?) And the deer design (one with those crescents)

[cloud ocean]

The white sneakers with red laces added during the Aurora encore

[rich silo]

which look like aurora's white sneakers she wears irl
and the laces spell out XK if you wear them together, which is 10k

[solar lark]

And Moomin is kind of a merch-y IP too

[rich silo]

rivals sanrio ngl
not as much but it is still prevalent

[pallid geyser]

In 2 years playing this game I never saw a constellation with so many speels and Uninteresting items 😔

[ember hull]

Speels?

[solar lark]

The items as spells are just temporary for testing purposes

[rich silo]

obligatory everything in beta is WIP and not considered final until it reaches live

[dawn heart]

Will 10K shoes come back? I want buy

[ember hull]

Is season of moomin on the map?

[calm spoke]

Not yet

[weak meadow]

Has anyone even been able to enter snurfkin tent? Feels like you can only interact with it while only wearing the chibi mask

My beta skykid is roughly tall and almost max height I cannot enter the tent at all

[hushed charm]

I was able to enter before but it seem to have get worse after some update

[lavish matrix]

me with tall skid in live: 👁👄👁

[hushed charm]

It gets worse if you wear shoes even

[lavish matrix]

aw rip......hopefully it'll be fixed xD

[warm ocean]

I was able to enter, but my beta skykid is tiny even without the chibi mask. In live I'm tall...

[limber nacelle]

#beta-screenshots-videos message if this looks like what will be mannequins for the "spirits" of the season I'm not going to be happy. Like at all. I hope these are just the IAP mannequins for now and not for the season because I am really sick and tired of seeing mannequins. That's just me but I hope we get spirits of some kind soon.

[hushed charm]

😬 its the season trees

[lavish matrix]

yeah they're seasonal trees xD
I think it works the best they could, bc moomin has a lot of iconic characters, more than tlp or 9cd so they can't make their own "original" spirits, or else Ninny's story will fall apart or not fit into Moominvalley (and copyrights on top of that)

[tulip veldt]

I dont mind them not being spirits, because I kind of think since we're in a storybook world outside of sky's world, the characters aren't really sky spirits

ok i can find 3 things in explore the valley and i know there's a 4th one here somewhere supposedly...

[mental salmon]

Sorry If this exist already and I've missed it out in #beta-screenshots-videos , but weird how there's not a single music sheet for this season (if there is, let me know ASAP!)

[limber nacelle]

Of course it's the seasonal trees... Which means no spirits and probably only emotes from the Guide only. I think it's time to take another break from Sky for me. I hate that no spirit seasons are becoming the norm now. It feels lifeless and mannequins don't have a whole lot of story into them like actual spirits do so this is really disheartening for me. I don't know anymore, these mannequins don't feel Sky-like and it just feels more and more like ever since Aviary Village was introduced we've been getting more and more modern day cosmetics. I personally am not a fan of these cosmetics but to each their own I suppose. Although Moomin cosmetics seem to fit in pretty well so far for Sky, I'm not impressed by things like the Style Wide Leg Jeans or the SkyFest outfit we had, and while I got them I personally never have wore them once for long periods of time.

[orchid knot]

6 so far!

[static dawn]

hallooo, quick bug-suspicious question: has anyone has problems with the new quests not giving you a whole seasonal candle? i saw one report about it and i'm curious if anyone else experienced this behavior

[prisma agate]

i got my candle from the last few days but idk for today since i haven't done it 🤔 but i'll definitely keep an eye out

[tiny lintel]

Just checked and yea, I burned all the dark plant and no quest completion message

[static dawn]

Ah, you might be confused on what I was asking for: I meant that you are not getting a complete candle when you turn in your quest with a spirit/at the shrine.
But if a quest isn't completing that also might be an issue

[orchid knot]

I shall go check cause I haven't done dailies yet today brb

[tulip veldt]

it finished for me and gave me a whole candle, so working as intended

[tiny lintel]

Yea it's the same issue, basically nothing happens after I burned all the plants like how the quest should be

[static dawn]

No, that's a different problem haha. If it's the same issue the quest would complete unless you're stating it's not completing when you're trying to turn it in.

[orchid knot]

Update: no problems on my end, burned all dark plants and quest registered complete, returned to bumbling and got a full season candle

[orchid knot]

Did you maybe miss one of the dark plants? I thought I'd got them all and then spotted one at the far end of the boat and once I grabbed that it finished normally

[ember hull]

Really hope that doesn't come to live

[orchid knot]

That's why they're checking about it, so it can get fixed

[tiny lintel]

Oh ur right I missed a spot
I finished it and the quest is also normal for me, but it can easily be mistaken for bug ig

[orchid knot]

Defo feedback! I'll be heading that way myself cause it was just hidden back there and easy to miss

But also I love this quest cause the implication we can burn darkness with proximity is interesting

[cedar helm]

There are a lot of FPS drops in the new season areas, like 25 FPS becomes 8-9

And usually there is a lag in the game, a sudden sound and the image stops but then it fixes itself.

Can't Sky make a setting for FPS or for low devices?

[static dawn]

That is why I'm investigating it 🔍 The report was very vague and didn't have any example or user attached to see if that was what was going on, hence why I'm asking if anyone else can confirm its occurrence.

[cedar helm]

And I noticed something while playing last time, when looking towards the clouds, the camera FPS goes down, but when looking in a cloudless direction, the FPS goes up to 30.

[orchid knot]

Honestly makes sense, clouds are just a billion pixels going wooo but you can bug report extreme drops in fps you're experiencing, I think depending on device some FPS drops in heavily detailed areas will happen and moominvalley does have a lot going on there, but it's still valuable for devs to look into which devices are struggling and how they can optimise the experience for everybody

[cedar helm]

It is understandable that FPS drops in the season area, but it is bad that the clouds make the game freeze excessively. This did not happen in 2021, but then after the graphics and clouds were renewed, the FPS started to drop.

[orchid knot]

You can #report-a-live-bug if it's happening in live already and report in the usual channels for beta bugs if it's still happening there

[cedar helm]

I reported every update but sometimes it broke and sometimes it got fixed but FPS never stays stable.

[cedar helm]

Okay, I have a question for you. How many FPS do you normally get from the game?

[orchid knot]

I honestly don't pay attention to that nor would I know where to look aside from manually changing the graphics in game settings (they're all set to default to save my battery from melting) - but for example I have a smoother experience on ipad than switch and the more stuff in an area the more drastic the fps drop (sunlight is not a good time for my switch lol)

[cedar helm]

Yes, I agree with you on this, shouldn't the switch be more powerful than the android? It's weird that it causes FPS problems. iOS is perfect.

[tulip veldt]

dont forget the switch hardware is what, 7 years ago

[orchid knot]

my switch sounds like it's taking off every time I turn it on so atp I'm just glad it lets me play at all I dont know how it will handle moominvalley but I'm fortunate to have other means to play

[snow loom]

i cant be the only one who wanted the season to have spirits can i?? It feels like a lifeless shopping mall >_>

[cedar helm]

The season is actually a bit interesting but I didn't play it with excitement like the little prince or the Deer season

[snow loom]

Same here. Im just a bit upset with the lack of spirits in moomin and the last few,,

Mostly just feel bad for pc moths who havent gotten a season with them yet though

[solid saffron]

Hey guys, is the moomin tail an accessory? A cape? In what category of the closet is?

[hallow pendant]

I can’t seem to get rid of the tail. I’m tailed for life. Help

[lavish matrix]

Someday we'll have spirits that offer cosmetics in future :D I think it's just works for this season bc of how things work, I don't really mind it, bc it doesn't interfere with the story and questlines
When you consider that moomin characters are very unique and a bit too out of place for sky

[snow loom]

Ah well whatever their reasoning i just dont like it much. But im just ine person so i dont think it matters too much what ive got to say about it

[lavish matrix]

probably the IP directs the season the way it is, and as a designer, I wouldn't be sure of how the spirits would be like for this season when all the cast can't be replaced by sky spirits just to offer their cosmetics, not to mention how and where they can be fit into Moominvalley for memory relives (when the area itself isn't exactly a sky realm)

[snow loom]

See that makes sense, im just a bit peeved by the fact we havent had spirits in a season (that we can get emotes from) for three seasons now..

[lavish matrix]

We can hope that we'll get spirits in future seasons ^^ I think there's a good opportunity for Two Embers seasons

[limber nacelle]

You aren't the only one. It's getting old, and really fast... I never thought I'd hate mannequins this much either.

[snow loom]

this exactly. my moth is pretty upset about it too and i fele bad

[lavish matrix]

Personally I think Duets mannequin system works quite well too, bc the season focuses only on two spirits so one spirit aside from the guide won't be enough, tgc used mannequins for that, not only just to show their history, but to offer cosmetics to ensure the average amount of items a season has. I don't feel it makes a season like this lifeless, it really highlighted the spirits. Same for Moomin, the story is well put and focused, directly adapting from one of Moomin's stories

[orchid knot]

At least these mannequins don't come alive creepily.... Yet

[solar lark]

Don't blink

[lavish matrix]

It's creepy..but it's fun to torment them lmaooo

[finite anchor]

My main issue with mannequins is that they usually mean no emotes
except for like 1 emote that you get from the guide tree which is great but I'd rather have 4 you know

[lavish matrix]

That's fair but tho I don't understand why emotes are very much wanted like this :o

[orchid knot]

I feel like we have too many emotes I never use all of them and even with emote favourites I can never find all the ones I want easily cause we can only favourite so many

[lavish matrix]

Yeahh favourite wheel is quite limited 😭
So I'm glad we are kind of slowing down on the emotes, the list had been pretty crazy long

One good thing about an emote on the guide tree is that technically we can level it up without waiting for ts (that may be 2 years of wait atp)

[finite anchor]

I'm not really following lmao couldn't you technically say the same thing about cosmetics 😭
like wow we have so many hairstyles we should start slowing down soon

[lavish matrix]

yeah I did say, in the backlog a while ago. I mentioned that we're still getting cosmetics pretty fast now that we have events and EC system, so our closets has filled up in a short time so I'm assuming tgc is balancing things out with the addition of a small number of furnitures in the season

[orchid knot]

Personally cosmetics are easier cause I can just flick through them leisurely, but emotes are specifically for social interaction which gets awkward if you click the wrong emote or take too long to find the thing

[uncut ginkgo]

Seasons without emojis are so boring to play honestly.

[finite anchor]

then that just calls for an even better emote menu >:)

[lavish matrix]

Even if the quests are well written and compelling? (I'm obsessed with Duets quests, still thinking about them)

genuinely I don't understand why emotes should be the signifier of whether a season is interesting to play or not, for me it's a whole experience throughout the quests.

[orchid knot]

Idk why cause I still enjoy the seasons, it's not that I don't want emotes or hate them or anything, but I just don't think not having them takes away too much when usually they put the creativity they'd have used for emotes into the seasonal area and quests instead

[hushed charm]

This year is actually wild because we end up with only 4 emotes on the menu, unless this season will add anything else on .5 😭

[uncut ginkgo]

Having cosmetics or items is cool but when the season ends you don't even remember it.

[lavish matrix]

I still remember Duets and Revival what do you mean

I keep forgetting Remembrance if anything

[orchid knot]

I mean I do, but I'm sorry you don't without emotes

[uncut ginkgo]

TGC is making Sky more and more like a gacha game...

[lavish matrix]

to me, strong story quests will stick to my mind. Like when I say I love 9cd, I say it because I remember and enjoy the questlines, the area and spirits, I don't even remember emotes

[hushed charm]

Ok no the only gacha element we have is resize 😭

[orchid knot]

You're so right, I hope they let us organise them into categories like positive/negative/dancing/greeting/etc!

[finite anchor]

I've been wanting a menu revamp for a long time now
(please sort the spells I'm begging)
and I can kinda see what they mean tho, emotes are one of the main thing I look forward to and it's really nice to have a small section of emotes from a certain season
like oooh here's the remembrance emotes and there's the passage ones and look these are from 9CD

[lavish matrix]

I'd love for a menu revamp tbh, it's all cluttered visually

[hushed charm]

My issue with the menu is because until the list reach the little prince emotes, they dont really make sense

[solar lark]

Nothing about the game is gacha

[lavish matrix]

I don't really remember what sanctuary quests entails tbh if anything, bc to me it doesn't stick in my mind

Abyss is super memorable due to the questlines. Nothing are about emotes

[lavish matrix]

SAME I was trying to find one emote from before tlp and its boggling my mind like why is it like that

[limber nacelle]

Resize spells be like:

Okay but seriously it's free and honestly that's great.

[orchid knot]

That's fair, and I really do hope we continue to see menu updates for sure! I guess it's just differences in how players engage with seasons, like Grey said I get a lot of my enjoyment from quests and the cosmetics and emotes are like icing on top in a way? I do think seasons without spirits feel sad and lacking shattering but even with Moomin we're getting so much meaningful content from the main quests and the void quests and then the lil story books around the area that I'm like okay this doesn't feel like I'm missing spirits too much

but I do really enjoy the reading emote and I'm so glad they added it because it's so so good!

[orchid knot]

I also think the disorganisation of the menu is maybe why I don't use a lot of emotes but I just lose them

[lavish matrix]

I do feel Nesting isn't particularly strong in my mind. Which is why I'm glad for Duets to improve the questline experience and cosmetics on the basis of the same spirit entity system. It really puts focus on the spirits' (Duets and Cellist, doesn't feel "spiritless" ngl) story stood out to me even more

[finite anchor]

Yes it's a great emote!! wish we had more but I don't really have an issue with the mannequins in moomin since there probably just was no better way
I just wish regular seasons had spirits we could buy stuff from again

[orchid knot]

If we got spirits from moomin then post-season homie would turn into a hippo to avoid copyright issues

[lavish matrix]

Not hippo sukfiglfog

[solar lark]

Snufkin becoming a pinecone

[lavish matrix]

PINECONE...what else...
hattifatteners become mini sand fishes

[orchid knot]

wait though will they get tlp treatment in the quests post-season??? omg they're gonna ghost them y'all

[hushed charm]

I can see TGC tried doing something with the order of things, and nod are on the same row to ease communication i suppose, but then again, it gets messy down there until LP where things start getting ordered by release order (cure for me being lost in between moments and ncd)

[finite anchor]

I think they used to sort seasonal emotes "into" the menu before TLP
so happy, sad, angry, ... emotes are grouped together which just makes it super confusing for most emotes 😭

[lavish matrix]

Oh gosh can't imagine becoming grey in the colourful world post quest

OK funny enough i can't find nodding emote react even in discord

[hushed charm]

I think the non animated doesnt exist anymore if it ever did in the first place

[orchid knot]

Skycord emotes are eerily reminiscent of sky emotes when you tryna find a thing and it clearly just packed its bags and moved out cause I fr be scrolling both menus looking for specific things and they be Gone

[lavish matrix]

Noooooooooo come back

[orchid knot]

Tell me an emote and lemme see how many years it takes to find fr

[solar lark]

wafo

[lavish matrix]

hmmm let's say, yawn?

[finite anchor]

do the same with spells next

[lavish matrix]

Alright try to find shared space spell go

[orchid knot]

I know where that is cause my friend always hits it when they're trying to blow a kiss at me 😭

[lavish matrix]

This happened to me a couple times too 😭😭😭

[orchid knot]

Anyways what other emotes would you guys have hoped for from moomin?

[lavish matrix]

Fishing emote??? 😭

[solar lark]

my skykid flailing around when I'm trying to get my common emotes back into recents

[finite anchor]

[orchid knot]

That would be cute but I think they'd not add it since we have fishing spots anyways

[lavish matrix]

Oh true I forgot they exist hahah

[quasi crest]

Are the Betta iap bugged? I try buying them and I didn't get any

[finite anchor]

you probably got them before from the ktjn spirit!

[ashen pier]

Tbh the use of having props in emotes now is a entire new broad range of expressions tgc could potentially make. Sure there's sparkler, confetti and bubbles which are very vague with the props our sky kids would be holding instead of forming these things simply from their hands, a fishing emote could be similar (eg your sky kid sits down/crouch and pulls out a fishing pole that would look good if you're near water) if they don't opt it in for a actual fishing pole prop at some point even a watering can emote for example, pulls out a water can ac style with a simple pour animation but point still stands that there's a broad range of expressions that involve irl items they could make now

[orchid knot]

watering can emote if we ever get farming/gardening activity or something ‼️

[vale haven]

^awesome inspiartion from bubbas idea! Farming hearts/wax addition to sky would be absolutely adorable like it’s a long time activity aka you play or do something every day and someday in the future it pays off 🙂 and you could plant a heart or light a candle in your nest that addition alone could be an entire season if they delve in deep enough say like a wandering merchant crashed into aviary and brings with them various plants and foreign items to trade and/or sell to us
Ugh bigger brain storm just hit
The merchant could set up a vendor shop somewhere in aviary and have various plants” and candles for sale that can be put in your nest ‘aka different colored wax candles and even different shaped ones’ and plants that grow slowly over time!

[lavish matrix]

Oh my gosh I love the idea of farming (plants) for currency too, and maybe some spells

[wide nimbus]

iap

[lavish matrix]

seeing plants grow slowly over time in my nest would be so sweet

[orchid knot]

I've mentioned this a couple of times before but I don't remember which chats so here I go again
we need more plants in sky because pls and imagine if we can interact with them, like if we water it and take care of it then it's all healthy and maybe we could get wax from them when they're growing well

[lavish matrix]

omg yeah! That'd be a cute reward for taking care of the plants, also I can totally imagine coloured orbs for each plant's flower colours

darkness enjoyers: does not water it

[orchid knot]

I think I talked in gen chat before and someone bounced the idea that if it's not taken care of it turns into a dark plant

[limber nacelle]

But what about those Sky kids that never log in again? Their best will look like Silent Hill by then.

[orchid knot]

Imagine not watering your plant for a while and suddenly Audrey II is in your nest

[spiral needle]

Learn about how you can protect yourself from unsolicited DMs and friend requests, and how to report accounts to moderators of this server: <#general-sky-discussion message>

[lavish matrix]

skybot oi

[ember hull]

Would tgc be able to implement that? Have the plant change over time?
Grow every reset?

[ashen pier]

Every reset times is a possibility but every person's individual different experience wise might be the difficult part to implement

[vale haven]

Well that’s the fun part! They already have plant timers implemented from days of bloom and it would kind of be like that except slower

It can be implemented in such a way that when a skid plants a seed that timer starts and after so many days the plant grows some and then some more and what would be different from bloom is the plant can last months and slowly bloom and maybe even grow faster if you take real good care of it

[ember hull]

I figure it would be like shared memories and spaces in terms of the timer

[snow storm]

ghost update

[hushed charm]

Did the clock from the season always had noise

[crisp cedar]

I absolutely love the reading emote! It's too cute

[buoyant heart]

Is the butterfly that follows you in the Seasonal warp area new, or did I just not notice until today?

[tulip veldt]

it's been there

[buoyant heart]

Ahh, a classic case of me being completely blind to semi obvious details

[vale haven]

Continuation of my earlier message in here #beta-season-test-chat message Made a lil doodle board of a possible season merchant intro XD #beta-screenshots-videos message

[lavish matrix]

Omg functional grandfather clock????? I love that it follows the same design as the clocks in some of the realms

Also the ticking sound!!! Wowww these furnitures are looking more sophisticated

[stiff glade]

I saw that the item that makes you partially invisible is the ultimate gift but I feel like it's not worth it besides the umbrella

[lavish matrix]

@stiff glade
are you sure that it's an ultimate gift? In beta we don't see any ultimates

[hushed charm]

And i mean even if these 2 items were ults, it still goes by taste, for me the umbrella would be the less worthy one, i dont see what the community see on umbrellas

[trim crag]

Is the season guide finalized? Or do they plan to update it?

[buoyant heart]

We don't know; all we can do is wait and see 🧇

[trim crag]

I don’t wanna sound annoyed too much, but from a glance, I can’t really tell what season I’m looking at. Little prince had the rose which sorta made you go “oh okay that makes sense” not sure if a book is a strong enough distinguisher for the guide. Maybe give the book something to be more Moomin.

[lavish matrix]

There's a moomin icon on the cover if I'm not wrong

[trim crag]

I couldn’t tell at all, maybe put a little bit of a dark shadow around the logo to make it easier to see.

I don’t see it on the book…

[lavish matrix]

Can you see it in the void area? There's the moomin embellishment

[trim crag]

Oh I was just checking the one near the portal door.

[steady veldt]

Have they shown moomin ult rewards?

[lavish matrix]

Oh I think that one doesn't get the design update yet

[trim crag]

Oh okay.

[high atlas]

They haven't been shown in the tree yet, so I don't think so

[dawn heart]

I hope the tree can change..

[lavish matrix]

It's broken atm yes! #beta-known-issues

[inland bronze]

Anyone can send me one pic of the invisible outfit ? Looks to me a basic ugly outfit from constellation, we need report as a feedback

[lavish matrix]

Type down Potato Beta Log in the searches, it shows the pictures compiled by cy

[inland bronze]

Potato Beta Log

[lavish matrix]

No, in the search function in this channel

if you're writing a feedback pls credit to cy for the image (if you're not a tester)

[woven pike]

Didn't see any mention of this with a quick search, but has anyone else found one of the wings in Prairie has moved from the Butterfly Fields exit to the social area?

[dawn heart]

I don't like this change because there is an extra door, which is very depressing from the visual point of view.

And the wrong hint of wings in isle of dawn has not been fixed yet.I don't understand why them have to move the wings around and not fix the bug😕

[woven pike]

The Isle case is actually a bit different: there are actually 6 wings there now, but two of them only appear under specific conditions (the one after the temple can only be collected on your first run through the game before you get to Valley, while the one on the boat at the beginning can only be picked up after you first reach Valley). You can normally only ever have 5 of the 6 available wings, which is why the Isle map shrine always shows a missing wing -- it's less of a "bug" and more of a design flaw.

Haven't tested the Butterfly Fields case just yet, but if the wing at the Butterfly Fields exit never reappears, then they actually moved the wing position rather than creating a new one.

[orchid knot]

The wing in isle was only moved when you first start as I understand it? It appears in the usual place thereafter - feel free to correct if I'm wrong

As for the prairie change, they've been updating the new player experience and moving a wing light and the visual changes to the social area is all to nudge new players in a purposefully directional way, if you don't like the changes it's okay to feedback but some of them aren't actually intended for old player experience and they don't take anything away from us, it's not any harder to collect that wing in the new location

Just noticed this is season chat too, so might be best to shuffle across to #beta-discussion for anything further so we don't complicate moomin channel

[woven pike]

Is "base game" (non-event) content meant to be in the other channel? The naming's never made it clear for me

[orchid knot]

Yeah so any currently testing seasonal related can be chatted about here and then anything else is best in event testing chat because that's more often used for general beta testing chatter when we don't have events running too

[rich silo]

season chat is for purely the season in testing (which is moomin rn) and everything else is lumped into the main channel ya

[orchid knot]

Ohh neat the clock makes noise now? I will never place it because I hate any form of tick tock time is moving reminder but that's a cute touch

[rich silo]

It does have a very soft ticking sound

[orchid knot]

It sounds like bubble pop that's kinda sweet maybe it won't be as impending doom as actual clock ticking is, but I think I'll just appreciate it as a feature others will enjoy

[hushed charm]

Didnt they made an update where both wing exists now after eden?

[solar lark]

If you mean in Live, that's still bugged

[woven pike]

Not seeing the temple wing visible on my main beta kid right now as I'm checking. I've never heard anything about both wings becoming visible

[hushed charm]

Weird, i thought that was what they meant with this #beta-announcements message

(Its the last note)

Wait is that refering to the prairie wing 🤦‍♂️
And aaaah thanks for clarification

[woven pike]

That's describing the the wing on the boat near the beginning of Isle, which is the old/original position. The new one after the temple was originally believed to stop being visible after your first trip through Eden, but seems like it's actually when you reach Valley (there's no sparkle aftertrace at all when you return after unlocking Valley)

[hushed charm]

I read that really really wrong

[broken vale]

Now you get 3 wings from that door in heaven instead

[hushed charm]

Oh no that one is just for late spirits afaik, we used to have a bug where the latest spirits wouldnt give their buffs, so now when they dont show up the buffs are given past the door

[late magnet]

I think it's super normal to have iap items, especially in a collab season.

but I think it's extremely wrong to break down the items of a character like Snufkin, for example, and sell the items separately in different packs... that's wrong. all character items must be sold in the same pack

[lofty crypt]

I still barely know anything about moomin even though I went through all the available quests rn, and ik this isn't anything too beta related but... what's up with snufkin? like- who are they

[lavish matrix]

They're the wanderer, Moomin's close friend, while he's not featured in Ninny's story as much, but he's quite popular character in Moomin community

[lofty crypt]

Aaaaah aight

[woven pike]

Conversely, some players may only want certain parts of the outfit for their own character rather than all of them. While I imagine that you'd want to suggest that all items should be combined and sold for a cheaper overall price, consider also that they may also have otherwise just combined all the items and the pricing without reducing it -- that would just keep more players from being able to buy any single piece if they just wanted some parts of the items. I think the key issue at the end is more about the effective prices moreso than whether the items are split up.

[rich silo]

that was a big fedback point for the cinnamoroll packs since people only wanted one piece of the whole

[spiral sable]

It's how I felt for the Moonlight iap pack too, I really wanted the hair but I dislike the dress so I'm not getting it at all now

[rich silo]

I feel like the moomin iap bundling is pretty good since it's max 2 items a pack and match together well
the hat being separate is a good thing since it's a hat accessory item if people only want that

[hallow pendant]

Does anyone have screenshots of where the new wing locations are ?

[vagrant spade]

Season of moonim is bad ulti needs to be more special than just stealth kit, pack is fine but replace ulti with something more moonim

[lavish matrix]

We haven't seen the ultimates in the current beta test what are you talking about

[somber bridge]

I'm guessing the invisible ''pants'' would definitely be ult, they are so special

Also the umbrella might be an ult since it has the moomin symbol and since everyone been asking for another umbrella

[lavish matrix]

I thought the umbrella to be an iap so I'm quite surprised it isn't

But yeah it kind of makes sense because the umbrella is the exact same umbrella too ticky used to shelter Ninny in the animated series episode

[somber bridge]

Yeess samee! With the moomin symbol in it i thought it will def be iap

[rich silo]

I mean it would at least be a non returnable
not necessarily IAP

[lavish matrix]

True :o not sure about the thing where tgc saying they plan to return the ults in the future. Maybe they'd except the collabs

[somber bridge]

If theese are the ults I might actually consider purchasing my first ever season

[lavish matrix]

also the invisibility is really Ninny's thing so it makes sense for it to be "limited", as a Ninny story focused season

[uncut ginkgo]

Moomin is looking like a great season so far for cosmetics. There’s only 1 maybe 2 items I don’t really like and I love the rest

[rich silo]

it's a really solid showing for cosmetics that represent the moomin franchise as a whole yeah

[quasi crest]

Hey, is there a way to transfer my beta on my other phone?

[rich silo]

that's not a question for the season chat
but if you're using the same platform just use the same login account

[waxen field]

catching up on some beta stuff for the season and i'm onto part four of ninny's side story. and im over here wondering: has anyone else here on whatever platform have the start of it be so laggy that not even the terrain fully loads in initially until after some movement, and/or have beta crash at a certain point within the quest? Im just trying to figure out if this is an issue overall or if I just have a phone that for some reason cannot handle it even with sky's graphic settings at its lowest

[limber nacelle]

My phone couldn't even handle the third Moomin quest. So honestly it's still a mystery to me.

[waxen field]

I was able to get through the third but barely, these quests do take a toll on my phone and quest 3 alongside Ninny's Side Story pt.4 really highlights this. (It's times like these that make me wish I had the PC version of beta, at least my pc could handle it better)

[tulip veldt]

reading my book while waiting for granny

[waxen field]

the book reading emote is so cute, I can't wait for it to come to live

[tulip veldt]

kinda wish you kicked your feet in the lying down one

[untold junco]

Omg that would be cutee!

[buoyant heart]

I've experienced lag while playing the Quests as well, no doubt because of how big the Valley area is and how much stuff is in it. If you haven't already, definitely send a report to bring it to TGC's attention and hopefully help solve the issue (and save other devices from bursting into flames )

[waxen field]

Yeaaaah, I probably should Hopefully something can be optimised about it, because I would rather my phone not overheat beyond how it has before

[tiny lintel]

If there are already lag issues in the quest for iOS players I'm scared as a Nintendo and Android player 😭

[waxen field]

I don't play on iOS so I have no idea how it is for them, I'm android

the lag issues will probably be ironed out by the time the season actually comes to live, but for now it seems like phones are not faring so well currently - what with iOS getting update problems (Thanks, Testflight) and the lag issues on android. No clue how it is for PC players either

[limber nacelle]

I think it's probably better on PC.

[tulip veldt]

hey when people update, does the cackling canoneer actually give you 2 candles today instead of one; i confess i did not check my candle count when i did it

[waxen field]

i can't say when it comes to claiming the candles from them directly, but it doesn't when you collect them from home

[tiny lintel]

When two device that can't go higher than 30fps , how will it fare againsts season of moomins area

[tulip veldt]

i mean when you get them from him when doing the quest... i think it gave me one when it was done and when i talked to him; but i am not sure if one wasn't just from forging one of the season candles

(you know how sometimes you forge multiple ones but there's still one left on your currency bar to claim)

[quasi crest]

Whoops my bad

[grand wave]

does anyone know the season of moomin iap prices?

[magic aspen]

Is anyone else still having problem with being thrown into oob at the start of the 3rd chapter?

[tulip veldt]

i got thrown oob in the 4th chapter

[waxen field]

i had that problem first time i did it today, second time i did it though it worked fine

[hot cobalt]

Is there any items cost normal candles? Just like aruora season ?

[hushed charm]

My guess is that the big painting will be that

[icy isle]

#beta-screenshots-videos message

we don't even know if the current items right now are officially free or season pass. they could still change around things in the end of beta testing.

[lavish matrix]

@cloud ocean yeah but like there are still cosmetics on the trees so they don't affect the availability of free cosmetics either

I'd feel the grandfather clock would be pass locked due to its working clock face and the popping sounds as "ticks", as well as functional chandeliers

I'm sure a lot of people want the flower crown and the moomin inspired pants (like me) and they're on the season mannequins apparently

(Not to mention that seasonal cosmetics, even if pass locked, will be free as TS in future)

[cloud ocean]

Yeah but, I still think people are more concerned with the IAP packs that are never coming back. I know it’s the way it goes, but people are upset about it

[lavish matrix]

thats quite valid but it's misleading to assume that the "good items" are iap locked when there are pass locked and f2p cosmetics, they could look into that instead of mainly judging the iaps (they can feedback even if they're not testers)

Also there's a chance we'd have limited time igc cosmetics but we haven't seen that in beta yet

[pseudo thicket]

I would like to add as feedback that perhaps several cosmetics that are more representative of the characters are not only IAPS (although it is not confirmed yet, I know) it would be somewhat sad to have a collaboration of a TV show that we love so much but to have things so close and so far at the same time, since not everyone has the possibility to spend 30+ usd on virtual items

[cloud ocean]

good items are items that people have requested for a while or that hit the preferred aesthetics of Sky’s playerbase. For example, the tail and ears. I have seen countless requests for these animalistic features, so of course people are going to be frustrated when they’re finally added in the game, but in the form of IAP and limited edition and extra expensive because it’s IP

I know it is possible for the devs to reintroduce free versions of these items in the future (whether it’s trough events, or other seasons), but no one can know for sure. For now, this is all the playerbase has.

[lavish matrix]

Yeah it's possible that the character representatives to be limited time igcs, so that they wouldn't return to be legally bound by copyrights

[icy isle]

i have a feeling it would be ninny related or moomin related obviously

[lavish matrix]

true xD they're the major roles in the story. If tgc had chosen another moomin story they'd have Snufkin as limited time igcs