lore-discussion-spoilers

[eternal totem]

It's pure unfiltered Light, no additives

[sharp lichen]

The Prophets immediately die in front of their students

[untold notch]

is that a beach ball or something with those stripes

[snow cosmos]

it looks kinda like a glass prism to me, with the light refracting based on the facets or something

[eternal totem]

I'm not sure what it is, it can't necessarily be light with the weight, but I'm not sure would they carry a perfectly round sphere
Maybe it's actually darkness

[keen shore]

I have no idea, I can’t even attempt to answer this question tbh

[frigid tinsel]

Darkness would be dark, wouldn’t it

[keen shore]

Top 10 messages that would be extremely funny lacking context

[eternal totem]

It wouldn't be me

[frigid tinsel]

We just need a lad here named Light

[snow cosmos]

suncatcher was the word i was looking for, something like this

[eternal totem]

I have a friend named Light, brb

[untold notch]

I love having a Regular Word as my name it's so fun

[keen shore]

Wow I’m so glad they gave the shattering shops discord accounts

[eternal totem]

My namesake is after CapCom's ™️ titular fighting game Darkstalkers ™️ but it can also oppose the name Lightseekers

[keen shore]

your full name…

[rigid mural]

No way Dark lore ???

[frigid tinsel]

A darkstalker sounds like something that’d actually be in game, like people who keep an eye on where darkness is to guide others away from it or to protect them from darkness.
Like an irl tornado chaser

[eternal totem]

Right? It all works out

[keen shore]

it’s also a wings of fire character

[frigid tinsel]

I feel like stealing this but this is someone else’s name

[untold notch]

I think that's where I thought it was from tbh salem

[keen shore]

I LOVE THIS IDEA

[eternal totem]

Omg my own cameo in a fic?!1

[untold notch]

who's on first

[snow cosmos]

in d&d there's a ranger subclass called gloomstalker that has basically the same vibes /positive

from the 5e wikidot

Gloom stalkers are at home in the darkest places: deep under the earth, in gloomy alleyways, in primeval forests, and wherever else the light dims. Most folk enter such places with trepidation, but a gloom stalker ventures boldly into the darkness, seeking to ambush threats before they can reach the broader world. Such rangers are often found in the Underdark, but they will go any place where evil lurks in the shadows.

[keen shore]

Soon you too will die in hir fic 😊

[frigid tinsel]

Thinking my uncorrupted skykids who still deal with darkness could call themselves darkstalkers

[eternal totem]

LESGOO

[rigid mural]

This kind of thing doesn't deter the fae.

[untold notch]

can confirm! don't ask why tho

[keen shore]

Thank you for the pro tip Vela

[eternal totem]

(It's ok)

[frigid tinsel]

Would not surprise me if some of y’all were fae ngl

[untold notch]

trees have all the juiciest gossip because nobody thinks they're listening

[rigid mural]

Loading screen tip: Birdwatching goes both ways.

[wispy dust]

Looks like they're carrying the weight of disco 🪩 (yes, the entire music genre)

[snow cosmos]

thinking about it, do we actually know what ancestors did with the light they drained/farmed/acquired industrially? like we know what they made out of it but how did they store it? i could see the orb as being some sort of light collector (based on the word suncatcher) or a container for while it's being transported somewhere

[rigid mural]

Laughing Lightcatcher puts the light they collect in pots iirc

[eternal totem]

Yeah, they put these in pots & they're quite heavy to carry around based on Exhausted Dockworker's memory...?

[snow cosmos]

ah yeah that's right, hm... guess not then

[eternal totem]

I guess I'll never get my answer about the mysterious heavy ball, Pouty will never be balling (it's too heavy)

Pouty succumbs to the weight of a basketball

[snow cosmos]

me too pouty

[raw crypt]

POUTY WILL NEVER BE BALLIN 💔💔💔

[eternal totem]

About the memory being bugged for the longest time since 2019 you could never see what they failed to carry in the memory cutscene, it's simply invisible
Pouty mime real

[rigid mural]

I think I heard that they were dragging a boat in LA

[eternal totem]

I wouldn't know how true that is without footage, my friend who tested Sky since 2018 has also told me that Dockworker's memory dropped the jar from a high window at the Prairie caves, as funny as it sounds I haven't found anything on it either (not implying anyone a liar though, it's been so long ago)

[rigid mural]

Yeahhh I get the doubt dw

[torn umbra]

Does anyone have any thoughts or theories about jellyfish? They're interesting to me and I'm especially interested in the difference between normal jellies and the king jellies in eden

[keen copper]

I think that they're an amalgamation of living light and water

Since that's the only place they are found

[frigid tinsel]

the "king" jellies in Eden may be elder jellyfish, like how there are elder mantas and elder birds.

[keen copper]

Mhm

[torn umbra]

Oh I hadn't thought of that!

[tepid veldt]

@snow cosmos sorry for the sudden ping may i dm you?

[sharp lichen]

Hello @blissful hare!

[blissful hare]

I wanted to hear yalls opinion on this. Lately i have noticed the scale of certain things in sky such as most steps which in comparison to a sky kid are massive. I edited a pic of one of the spirits to try and see if that was why everything was so large but that didnt seem like an explanation either. I also found a ladder that was a normal sky kids scale, which is also strange? I have to know why 😭

[snow cosmos]

i think the consensus based on Too Much Math is that skykids are 2-4 feet tall roughly? the ancestors seem to be... still not quite big enough for some of their surroundings, but even the younger spirits seem significantly taller than us, probably closer to human height

i was going to include reference pictures of my skid next to the scouts vs adult ancestors but then i remembered i'm short so it'd throw the comparison off

[frigid tinsel]

the world we're in was built for the ancestors, not skykids. as Library Salem said, skykids are between 2'3" (chibi) to 3'10" (max height) tall. most ancestors are obviously taller than skykids, some even taller than adult humans, so their living and public spaces were built for the ancestors' size.

[sharp lichen]

I mean, the Ancestors kind of look like how children view adults, which makes sense, considering we’re children in a way

[frigid tinsel]

you have pics of the Yeti's living space and the Yeti is one of the biggest ancestors spirits in game. their living space will obviously be oversized

[true dew]

Does anybody know how language, letters, and writings in sky look like? I saw people on the internet say it's on the 7 days of sky post but I can't find it there

[snow cosmos]

tumblr to the rescue

[true dew]

O m g thank you so much

[snow cosmos]

happy to help!

[frigid tinsel]

note that it's an attempted translation of the language found in concept art. the language we see in the Live game are similar but currently untranslated.

[true dew]

Hoooo I see I see, I might make it into a real font just for fun even tho it's only from concept art

[blissful hare]

Fair enough, that sort of didnt really occur to me 😭

[torn eagle]

It's interesting to see theres division of labor

Forest has a lot of civilians if concept art was used

[keen shore]

late and very much kinda drifting through thoughts right now but based on these murals under the forest docks and what we know happens in the temple I think we can make some assumptions,
the little light motes might be a more sustainable (or, honestly, bad for the environment but less violent) precursor to darkstone charged by creatures

[torn eagle]

I think its sustainable tbh, lightseekers approve of it as well

They get light from bloom trees, light catchers get from passing light creatures

[sharp lichen]

I always though the Lightseekers has an interest in the Enchantment Lights, given their presence in the Forgotten Ark

Or maybe the Enchantment Crew were interesting in light notes?

I headcanon them as rival groups

[lusty merlin]

Sorry to interrupt but does sky has its own alphabet? and do we know what the letters look like?

[torn eagle]

Sidenote: I am of firm belief that butterflies are not creatures with natural life cycles but are rather formed when light condenses in a way that they are formed

They come from sealed pots that are supposed to store motes of light, and they can be released from dark plants (I assume butterflies condensed inside the dark plant after feeding on it)

[frigid tinsel]

there's a tumblr post that has an attempted translation of the language found in concept art: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

in the Live game, there is evidence the ancestors had a written language, although they're different from what is found in concept art and is currently untranslated.

[lusty merlin]

I see, thank you very much there was a drawing I wanted to do with said language so this helps alot

[frigid tinsel]

arguably it makes sense. lightseekers seek light and seem to do things with light, so why wouldn't be interested in light with specific abilities? whether artificial or naturally occurring, the colored lights are still lights.

[keen shore]

Crab whisperer is 100% friends with the enchantment crew I will die on this hill, their sapling is right there

[torn eagle]

Thinking about it other than piggyback lightseeker, you are right

Doublefive is found in birds nest where green light is and also found near where cyan light is found due to bloom tree

Pioneer is found in brook, area before boneyard where orange light is

Crab Whisperer and Shipwreck

Twirling and blue light in ice rink

Shushing light scholar and purple light same floor due to bloom tree

Connecting with the theory that purple light leaked out or used in Starlight Desert I think Shushing could study it by feeling the air

[frigid tinsel]

Shushing Light Scholar

[sharp lichen]

It doesn’t seem intentional, after all they were released a year after each other

[eternal totem]

A year after each other?

[sharp lichen]

Sorry I’m misremembering (hate being old), it’s 7 months, so the connection might have been purely Enchantment referencing Lightseekers, not the other way around

[eternal totem]

Although I personally don't think they (LS & Ench) are rival groups, this is entering "stuff I made up in my garage" territory but they were working with a third group that went rouge on Enchantment's decades ago

[keen shore]

I personally like to say they work together a lot and know each other well, especially around the time of crab whisperer because timeline Reasons, although now I am curious about Darks idea

[eternal totem]

Uuuuuuuh, my whole idea is generational groups, the eldest child is passed the inner light when coming off age to lead their perspective groups with the knowledge of the light inside them, it's complicated

[frigid tinsel]

Light does seem to correlate with memory

[keen shore]

I’d love to hear your headcanon if you want to share it Dark

[eternal totem]

Enchantment's light was passed to them while they were still an infant I should note, it causes Some Problems

[eternal totem]

THANKS FOR being interested but maybe when I'm a little less scared, maybe

[tepid veldt]

may i share oc lore

[round parrot]

OC LORE PSPSPSPSPPSPSPS

[tepid veldt]

you got it!

so i have no idea what we agree on for what the eden diamond is made of…this is just tidbits of convos that i was in then mashed em together

also ALSO i already shared this with library salem but wanted to share it here too sooo
recap: raza is my corrupted oc. thats all the recap you get lmao
also this is just one giant lore story thats based off of headcanon

we know something happened to the eden diamond and it got corrupted (it was made out of light i think?) anyways

in order to make the eden diamond, there had to be enough light. so…some people got a hold of raza. and drained xer light. thats how they got corrupted. raza now gets rid of anything’s light if xe even looks at it/has any contact with it.

raza is absolutely terrified of meeting any skykid. xe doesnt want to extinguish a skykid, and xe also doesnt want to meet the people that destroyed her

[untold notch]

I could probably do something similar with my unnamed oc where like. if light and memory are related and they're basically an amnesiac... yeah

I should probably give them a Name too but

[keen copper]

May I?

[tepid veldt]

do it

[keen copper]

Extremely naive, almost child-like, and used to be solitary, but after interacting with the little prince she gets extremely scared if she goes to long without seeing someone else. She loves to delve into the deep parts of the vault, and reads children's books in the candlelight but has a hard time understanding literature above a certain point in needing to comprehend them. She finds moths fascinating, but actively refuses to talk about when she was a moth. Whenever she feels stressed, angry or scared, she yanks out her pigtails, and if on the verge of a breakdown she'll rip out a majority of her hair. Has nearly died on multiple occasions when she tries to make friends with a crab, but she is absolutely terrified of krills and the feeling of darkness growing on her, since she's naive she has no trauma or is afraid from going into Eden, and likes to act as a trail guide, she thinks that the valley isle and wasteland elders are ok, but she thinks the others are old or stupid

Toothpick lore (sorry for text wall)

[flint bolt]

New lore discussion thingy:
Tell me why the birds in Sky look so weird, WITHOUT mentioning game mechanics, "modeling" or The Megabird.

G O

[snow cosmos]

origami birds brought to life by the power of friendship /j

[fickle wing]

they just kinda look goofy
irl birds r like thst too sometimes w animals they turn out silly

[keen shore]

I don’t know but I recently noticed that the shoulder bird model has no distiguishable feathers and has the smooth and vaguely fuzzy texture of a manta. I know it’s probably because of detail limitations but it shook me to my core and I feel like I need to torture others with the realization.

[rigid mural]

Skykids made those flat birds by cutting a sheet of paper folded in two and it somehow worked.

[snow cosmos]

Vela and i are on the same wavelength

[flint bolt]

I like your thinking

[keen shore]

Sky birds probably do have feathers like our birds do, but the slim possibility they don’t and have just skin in the vague shape of wings is horrifying enough to keep me up at night

[fickle wing]

looked up goofy birds and frogmouths r just so. Yeah

[snow cosmos]

that's not a bird that's a snake pretending

[flint bolt]

Honestly with the way they just phase through solid objects and seemingly don't need to breed, I don't even think they're even birds.

[calm jay]

stop staring at me with them big ol eyes

honestly contender for the best bird i have ever seen there is something really funny about that little guy.

[keen shore]

Anyway the river of birds that you see everywhere. My vote is that they’re kinda like, one of the purest forms of light next to butterflies, and so their bodies aren’t that complex or physical as they’re basically just a manifestation of light with some added bits. (This doesn’t apply to all birds you find, just the streams you find going through the realms.) This means that they don’t really need feathers and are just kinda a vague bird shaped silhouette that makes bird sounds occasionally

[calm jay]

OUGH

[flint bolt]

...what if they're like a..liquid?

And the "Megabird" is just a bunch of them smushed together?

[rigid mural]

Elder bird on the light whisperer card looked really fluffy. So does the sticker

[fickle wing]

just wait till you see the babies

[snow cosmos]

i still hold that Megabird is the collective consciousness of the galaxy (don't ask me how that works)

[calm jay]

OH THATS REALLY GOOD. THATS CREATURE

[flint bolt]

YES. GOOPBIRD. THIS IS CANON.

[fickle wing]

every time i think of more funky variations of birds it’s so fun 2 look at the more silly n weird (affectionate) looking fellas n think of em as light creatures

[flint bolt]

Cool theories fellas!
also butterflies are just diamonds with wings-

Okie byyyeee!!!

[rigid mural]

Nightjars in general are just Like That

[fickle wing]

need 2 see a greater prairie chicken in well. Prairie

[sharp lichen]

Plasma birds

[flint bolt]

Plasma birds

[keen shore]

In fact I hold that even in canon you can just. fly through the river of birds because they’re not even tangible, also they do purposefully avoid you when you fly through (like make the chirping noise and try to evade you(

[raw crypt]

they r so creature

[rigid mural]

Backflip Champion's fursona is a ruff

[calm jay]

something wrong with this one

[fickle wing]

YES

[keen shore]

This bird looks like it would get distracted while flying, ram directly into a tree, and barely even notice.
In short it is a perfect bird assignment for backflip

[rigid mural]

Himbird

[lyric isle]

too tired to really join in but this is a thing to see alright

[frigid tinsel]

May I present to you my collectivist hivemind theory: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[keen shore]

Megabird hivemind theory and light hivemind theory as a whole my beloved

[flint bolt]

Summarize in 10 words

[frigid tinsel]

No

[flint bolt]

okie

[keen shore]

You never see good forces being depicted as hiveminds, they’re always shown as horrifying which is fair, but it’s nice to see the concept changed up a bit. plus you can do so many cool things with it, like writing abt people absorbing other peoples light

[frigid tinsel]

Oh I should finish writing the chapter

[flint bolt]

moar reading mr. alsdoor?

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a chapter in writing that’s almost done but instead of finishing it I started another fic, I am going to drown in WIPs

[keen shore]

Velas lightseeker obsession and its consequences

[rigid mural]

I'm not patient zero.

[frigid tinsel]

Lies

[snow cosmos]

yo i love this - in my interpretation, megabird came into existence when the galaxy formed, since their form is seen when we do a zoom-out on the area of space Sky takes place in

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t necessarily know how Megabird formed, but perhaps the first entity to compose Megabird was a bird

[snow cosmos]

Catlem mentioned something like that when we were talking about creation myths didn't xe?

[keen shore]

First guy ever…

[rigid mural]

ehe

[keen shore]

YEAHH, I think vela and alskdair mentioned that specific concept first in another server although I did bring it up here in reference to a creation myth idea I was talking about

[untold notch]

I swear I need to write down all the heart colors used here so I can keep track

[snow cosmos]

consider the reverse: birds were the first creatures because megabird shaped them in their own image

[keen shore]

Megabird is actually called that in universe because of the First Guy Ever (bird)

[rigid mural]

You go to Orbit and ask the first guy to come down and they jsut

[snow cosmos]

i just imagine megabird going "hm what should populate this world, oh i know, me but small"

[rigid mural]

I mean, lots of peoples first oc is a sona

[snow cosmos]

exactly

[frigid tinsel]

Um

[rigid mural]

Valley Eldered

[keen shore]

Cutting yuo in half like the pizza

[snow cosmos]

mitosis

[rigid mural]

I think Alasdair is from the valley since hir sonas come in pairs

[keen shore]

Splitting yourself. Boring. Just duplicate yourself don’t be a coward

[rigid mural]

Oh fr ? Let me try -selects myself and presses ctrl+c-

[snow cosmos]

and that's how we get an identity crisis, kids! easy and free, try it at home!

[rigid mural]

-presses ctrl+v and places my clone right behind you-

[untold notch]

by the light this is outdated
far as I can tell, in rainbow order:
💕, occasionally - slink
🧡 - meeeeee
💛 - catlem
💚 - birdlem/alasdair
💙 - vela
- myst (the blues are basically interchangeable fwiw)
💜 - strega
💗 - leon
I think I saw someone use white once?

[snow cosmos]

Alasdair also uses green!

[untold notch]

I do not remember how alasdair said they wanted hir name to be shortened so I simply do not shorten it

[rigid mural]

Al or Dair, it's in hir bio !

[slate saffron]

💜 I CLAIM PURPLE

[raw crypt]

i tend to just react to pre-existing hearts instead of adding my own but sometimes ill chime in with 💕

[fickle wing]

big fan of how sometimes messages will just get those funky little hearts here like omg. Ppl like this thing

[keen shore]

For some reason this made me imagine like… a pulsing heartbeat of the universe

[rich fog]

They ate

[untold notch]

big fan of how everyone just decided to add theirs to this message

[snow cosmos]

easy reference lmao

[untold notch]

guess so

[uncut pond]

I just made mine up because up until this point I just assumed everyone just picked whichever one they had at hand when reacting 💀

[snow cosmos]

green is My Color so the green heart is always at the top of my emoji list

[round parrot]

Orange seems to be claimed
May I claim ? (If it doesn't count as a normal blue heart)

[snow cosmos]

i am grateful to Alasdair for allowing me to share the green heart

[untold notch]

this is now an Official Lore Chat Document /j

[frigid tinsel]

I used to use purple, but I use green exclusively now.

[rigid mural]

I'm not really possessive over emote reactions tbh, I don't really think you should worry about using the same as someone else

[frigid tinsel]

yea they're just emotes, not a big deal who "owns" them

[snow cosmos]

it is fun to see who's online based on which colors pop up in reacts though

[round parrot]

Aight, Astral can we share 🧡 heart?

[fickle wing]

just had something click in my head n remembered a thought i had from a while ago anyways what if like
the narration bits or whatever r just like. Megabird speaking 2 us n stuff
like im seeing this 1 n just thinking of mb being like
a parent sorta encouraging a kid to try again @ something

[untold notch]

do whatever tbh

[keen shore]

YEAH that’s what I imagined too, the idea of light constantly having a background song we can attune to but expanded to fit gentle messages like this sent to us through it

[rigid mural]

Makes me think of the VA that didn't want Mario to rub salt in the wound when kids failed a level by being mean so they made him say encouraging things like "let's try again"

[keen shore]

You could say it’s the spirit we’re reliving talking to us but that implies they all have the same attitude about the situation they’re in and our failed attempts to relive them, which is probably not accurate

[fickle wing]

misread thjs so bad that i thought they added mario to sky and he was reading out all the narration now

[slate saffron]

the rhythmic beat that rattles against the king's hollow head
the repetitive crack that signals yet another ancestor dead
the golden chime of child hitting the wall
the final melody before the fall
remnants of an ember, so clear & stark
flickering oh so dimly against the dark
"o'child of light, I knew your pain"
"but the light has faded, let's try again"

[rigid mural]

They'd hire Spade if that was the case

[round parrot]

About reliving spirit memories, I have a headcanon about guide spirits(the ones like Sunbather, Grumpy Hiker, etc.):

||Unfortunately their bodies have become too corrupted to the point where their souls can't remember their memory, which we should assist to help them relive their memory||

[uncut pond]

Crab Whisperer would straight up materialize in front of the skids to terrorize them for failing to relive them

[frigid tinsel]

they'd hiss

[slate saffron]

Your rights to the purple heart have been repossessed

[frigid tinsel]

actually stopped using it cos Spade was using it, then Spade stopped using it, so

[slate saffron]

This is money laundering

[rigid mural]

what

[frigid tinsel]

I want to write this in the fic

[keen shore]

I hissed at someone on reflex earlier today and I’m still recovering

[rigid mural]

Sheer power of Crab Whisperer

[frigid tinsel]

cat behavior

[slate saffron]

Cat salem confirmed

[keen shore]

cant even deny it at this point

[keen shore]

This + almost every enchantment spirit beig a guide spirit…

[frigid tinsel]

oh the Enchantment spirits had it rough

[snow cosmos]

looks at the number of carry quests in Wasteland as a whole

[rigid mural]

I should draw more of those but menace compilation

[keen shore]

My personal headcanon is a slight variant of that, more that they don’t have a lot of light to begin with bc of darkness and so can’t be apart from a light source for more than a few seconds, although it basically implies the same thing as Myst — that they got stuck with more darkness hurting them in general

[slate saffron]

Yeah, their backs must be aching after carrying the best season in the game

[keen shore]

Strega I partially agree with you but may we put Prophecy as a tie please I love them both

[raw crypt]

Yeah I’ve always imagined carry spirits needing the extra hand bc of the environment or of prior things

tho makes me wonder abt collect quests likr rally and confetti what did u guys do

[rigid mural]

I like to imagine we hold their hand, litterally

[frigid tinsel]

Rallying Thrillseeker got yeeted a bit too hard by a geyser

[raw crypt]

got their memories knocked out of them like rings in sonic games

[rigid mural]

NO
ATOMIZED
💥 💥 💥

[raw crypt]

STAR COLLWCTPRS MEMORY IS A GATHER ONE TOO AND LITERALLY STARTS WITH THEM RUNNING AT THE GEYSER, GONE

[keen shore]

I ACTUALLY HAVE A HEADCANON FOR THOSE AS WELL. ok so in slumbering shipwrights memory one of their fragments has a darkness plant growing on it and looks like the gather spirit fragments. So my idea is that gather spirits’ memories decayed, hence why they don’t have a visible memory at each fragment, but they still have enough light to exist on their own like follow quests

[frigid tinsel]

Manta Whisperer got lost in the wind

[rigid mural]

Nooo little german boy, don't go in the jet hole---
"Oh mein gott-"

[keen shore]

Falling into hundreds of pieces at the slightest touch — Dawn behavior

[snow cosmos]

their light remembers where it's been, but not what it was doing there

[uncut pond]

Imagine if instead of normal carry relives we instead held the spirits' hands like in the final Performance quest

The dream

[slate saffron]

Manta whisperer is not German I am going to cry you don't understand i am sobbing & it's all your fault this has been truly the worst experience

[untold notch]

I'm just imagining the taco bell ringing noise as jelly whisperer gets scrombled

[fickle wing]

at least they’re not british

[frigid tinsel]

better German than British

[rigid mural]

STOP THE MENTAL IMAGE IS SENDING ME
Nooo little french boy, don't go in the jet hole---
"Oh mon dieu-"

[fickle wing]

HELP

[keen shore]

NO LITTLE FRENCH BOY DONT GO JNTO EDEN

[untold notch]

tlp final quest

[snow cosmos]

tlp: [history of the world i guess voice] how bout i do anyway~

[fickle wing]

gouger ATTACK

[keen shore]

KEUIWOWOEOWPQPSPDDOFKFN YOU NOTICED

[uncut pond]

Alternative timeline where everything's the exact same except TLP only speaks french regardless of language

[untold notch]

???? not at Leon

[rigid mural]

Star collector fail compilation, funniest death in Vault

[keen shore]

I just called jellyfish whisperer british and krii hates me for it

[slate saffron]

As they justly should

[raw crypt]

i went to grab an image of the start of the memory and got a survey and got 3 candles i am skys most special boy rn

[rigid mural]

Deserved imo

[keen shore]

listen I couldn’t stop myself it was too funny

[rigid mural]

Krii called CW british when they are OBVIOUSLY scottish, they deserve their fave to become british

[keen shore]

Would you rather jellyfish whisperer be Italian? What if they like jellies because their tentacles remind them of spaghetti

[fickle wing]

actually yknow what actually because i can
hitting jelly w the puerto rican beam
hispanic upon ye

[untold notch]

cw having the most unintelligible accent ever

[slate saffron]

The brimstone & fire of hell is also funny but you don't see me moving to England

[white junco]

i come into chat and this is the first thing i see

[keen shore]

Why are you summoned by me mentioning Italians? Suspicious

[frigid tinsel]

go back in your pipe, ey Italian /j

[untold notch]

catlem with the red string and pushpins rn

[slate saffron]

Opinion on the french go 👁️ 👄 👁️

[white junco]

meh

[slate saffron]

Italian behavior

[untold notch]

too many vowels, cease

[keen shore]

spade likes wastrland because of all the pipes, reminds em of penne pasta

[untold notch]

it reminds em of Mario Mario, renowned Italian plumber

[white junco]

bites you

[frigid tinsel]

Crab Whisperer's spirit memories start in a pipe, do you think they're part Italian?

[rigid mural]

Spade lives in the pipes

[white junco]

fast travel

[slate saffron]

The truth finally comes out

[rigid mural]

Of a pipe

[untold notch]

how far does the pipe network of sky go

[snow cosmos]

spade is sus, i saw em vent /j

[slate saffron]

Spade is the impasta

[untold notch]

this is a real question btw. how extensive is spade's fast travel system

[white junco]

:)

[raw crypt]

adding crab whisperer to the list of spirits who would love slugcat, pipe creatures

[rigid mural]

This weeks TS is coming to your localization !

Crab Whisperer plays Rainworld on hunter mode or whatever that angy red otter was

[raw crypt]

OAHDNDBDNFND

YEA

actyally giving crab whisperer artificer (slugcat that blows everything up)

[rigid mural]

POWERFUL AND SO TRUE

[scenic siren]

Can spirits pass through wall, like ghosts usually do?

[white junco]

honestly if that happened in sky we wouldn't be sure if it was a bug or not

[rigid mural]

Days of Bloom

[slate saffron]

In lore? Probably not as we're experiencing the memories of the spirit as they were in life, & since they were probably unable to walk through walls when alive, they probably shouldn't be able to when dead.

But in game?
absolutely

[raw crypt]

spirits tend to be more solid I think, since we see them using ramps and stuff, and couldnt just phase through the door in harmony hall, but there’s a few cases of memories going through doors (boogie kid comes to mind)

[snow cosmos]

i imagine the doors thing is because those doors opened when the ancestor was alive, but they don't now bc there's no physical person there? so they can walk through the memory of empty space even though it's now occupied

[raw crypt]

spirits tend to have collision with things but they took that away from us so we couldnt table them anymore 💔

[rigid mural]

I remember sending flight guide flying with props, it was a thing of beauty

[raw crypt]

do spirits have collision

yesn’t

btw i miss the really glowy spiirts they looked awesome

[frigid tinsel]

tbf they're spirit memories, fragmented retellings of past events. the spirit memories prob zip through closed doors cos in life, in the past, the door was open but the memory doesn't show them walking through the opening door

[raw crypt]

Yeah that’s what I think! Memories being less tangible and past retellings compared to the spirits now, just wanted to mention it to cover bases (i need my silly thunbs up emoji)

[scenic siren]

I was wondering something about Cannoneer

1. Who saved Cannoneer?
   In the quest, it's our sky kid. But the spirits we see are past memories of them when they still alive, and later Cannoneer is seen above on the boat, someone must have saved them, not our sky kid who comes way later

2. Cannoneer was never eaten by the eel?
   Eel got out because sky kids pluck out the dark stone that hold barrier. That means before sky kids come, eel stays indoor and couldn't be out there eating Cannoneer.
   So why cannoneer inside the eel? There could be 2 ways to explain it:

• When alive, Cannoneer simply drowned and someone saved them, no eel involved. That's the memory made of light that the eel (a dark creature) ate. Then our sky kid release that memory and the memory continues, though damaged it somehow and skipped the part showing who saved Cannoneer
• The Abyss crew are survivors (this is one of the headcanons for my AU where these fantasy humans did not went extinct and live together with sky kids). If they were alive, Cannoneer can get eaten by eel and saved by sky kids

By eel I mean the long dark animal with many red eyes

[fickle wing]

my brain is so big

[keen shore]

The stretched frog image slaughtered me on impact, is that their fursona

[snow cosmos]

it is now

[untold notch]

wh. why is it not a jelly

[fickle wing]

behold
jelly’s fursona

[snow cosmos]

the Tiniest frog

[round parrot]

Love how CW is the embodiment of: "I'm a doctor, but when I get off the clock, I get the glock"

[untold notch]

I'm a healer, but

[round parrot]

I have two lore questions:
What are the powers of the colored lights again? (especially orange)
Can there be more than one colored light?

[torn eagle]

Orange - fire
Green - earth
Blue - water
Cyan - air
Purple - mind or magic.. personally I think of it as force
Red - darkness or concealment

[round parrot]

Huh, orange is fire? In the enchantment cutscenes it basically gave players the ability to buy the spells, unless the spells are made of fire

[compact shale]

Maybe because they had the ingredients for spells, they just needed fire to... idk, cook them

Or maybe that's just a consequence of orange being the last light to fetch

[torn eagle]

In the orange lights hint it say it gives warmth to those who need it or smth like that

Orange light in the cutscene basically gathered all of them and they all ascended together (excelt for the guide TvT)

[compact shale]

The guide doesn't ascend,

Because now they're worried about us blowing ourselves up /j

[outer hare]

Bobbit 💜

[round parrot]

Enchantment Headcanon:
The Enchantment crew makes tiny homes for (some) Skykids (not most of them because they cannot stay in one place )

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, never, ever give a child Fire

[round parrot]

Ah yes, never give fire to a child, who is made of fire

[tepid veldt]

quick question: we believe that the eden diamond became corrupted, yes? what do you think was the og purpose for it?

[snow cosmos]

personally i think it could have been a beacon or a power source, leaning toward beacon considering the way it seems to attract creatures of light

[keen copper]

I think I'm going to watch the sky ending movie to try and get a map of the sky solar system

[snow cosmos]

good luck!

[tepid veldt]

thank you salem! hoo boy raza’s lore is getting darker and darker

[keen copper]

Well that was easy

Though I wonder what's on those other 2 planets, since they look rather empty

[keen copper]

Why is it that whenever I say something everyone leaves?

[untold notch]

I'm not sure these are active hours for most members

[rigid mural]

I was sleeping

[tepid veldt]

and i have class soon

[eternal totem]

I was fending off the skeleton army

[untold notch]

yeah I'm also actively at school

[round parrot]

idk my braincells not working at night

[compact shale]

Same with myst

[raw crypt]

I nearly said im at school that’s factually incorrect i am at work but this looks pretty neat!

[snow cosmos]

i forgot to take my meds with breakfast and passed out again whoops

[keen copper]

Do you think I should add anything to it?

[round parrot]

All we can do is speculate what each planet is because it was never mentioned by TGC

[keen copper]

I wanna name one

Do you guys want to name them?

[round parrot]

Idk, not good at naming planets

[frigid tinsel]

Seems premature to name planets when you know absolutely nothing about them

[snow cosmos]

the other trouble with naming planets is that you have to think about who's naming them imo, what cultural connections they might make, or else give them scientific designations that don't feel much like names

[round parrot]

Can we just name them planet 1 and planet 2? (I know, very creative names /s)

[keen copper]

How about notsky and alsonotsky

[snow cosmos]

pfft

[round parrot]

HAHAHHAHAHAHA SURE

[snow loom]

Name them like NASA does

So yjd-26 and yjd-27

[keen copper]

What does that mean

[snow jewel]

Let the mantas name them

[snow loom]

Nothing, I was keysmashing ngl

[round parrot]

So basically "Hojnk"
I was meant to reply to someone

[keen copper]

And hjonk

[snow cosmos]

strega why

[round parrot]

NAWWW MUSCLE RESH HELP

[eternal totem]

?????????

[round parrot]

I DIDNT NEED TO SEE THIS BEFORE BED

[keen copper]

Their pronounced (hoj-nuk) and (heh-jonk) respectively

[slate saffron]

🦾 💪
🦵 🦵

[sharp lichen]

Thank goodness this doesn’t load

[snow cosmos]

your eyes have been spared

[slate saffron]

[round parrot]

Oh dear

[eternal totem]

..
👉👈
🦵🦵

[keen copper]

Anyway...

[eternal totem]

Sorry

[round parrot]

You're spared

||Put kitty ears, then it will be cursed||

[compact shale]

What if we put Oreo ears inst4ad

[keen copper]

New lore discussion, go!

[torn eagle]

Do yall think memories/cosmic mantas are made of memories of mantas or an attempt to recreate projections of them by the ancestors?

Personally I think the latter.. it would explain why elder manta i vault doesn't look the same as elder manta in sanctuary

[snow cosmos]

why do we think seasonal spirits are only visible after our first time through Eden? obv from a gameplay angle it's to increase replayability etc, but in-universe i'm not sure

[torn eagle]

I think its because we are stronger now.. I remember my time as a moth I couldnt burn dark plants in isle because the game said I am not strong enough.. same with spirit gates

[keen copper]

Yeah

[snow cosmos]

i have a headcanon that the cosmic mantas are results of failed attempts by the Ancestors to manually ascend light creatures who died unnaturally. they semi-succeeded but the spirits are still tied to the bodies in some way

[torn eagle]

I like how we answered each others questions XD

[snow cosmos]

yesss, idea swap

[gleaming fog]

Night Manta in the vault has a skeleton, how is that possible if they are transparent (and we can’t see their bones through their skin)? Did the vault bois rebuild manta from the real thing?

Is there some kind of precursor entity to the manta?

[snow cosmos]

my heacanon is that a normal, alive manta died there, and those are its bones. by lighting the candles and doing the manta call, we release its light (which takes the shape of its former body), but it can't fully ascend

[gleaming fog]

But it’s former body is transparent right? I mean we can see through it and its body isn’t vertically large enough to hold those bones. That, and there appears to be a skull, do manta normally have skulls with eyes?

[torn eagle]

Anyone knows the names of the ost in sky?

Related to this: shards play 3 different kind of bgm

Black shards play "Darken"

Red shards play "Silent Storm" and "Revoke"

Darken and Silent Storm is kind of self explanatory but what about Revoke? What is being Revoked? Who's Revoking who or what?

[snow cosmos]

its former body would have been solid, but because it's essentially a spirit now, we see it all transparent. i haven't done a ton of squinting at the anatomy, but it seems heavily implied that those bones once belonged to a manta to me? i'm not sure if we've seen other skeletons confirmed to belong to mantas that we could compare to

[gleaming fog]

Darken= crystals degrading back to dark stone
Silent storm = memory data of the storm stored inside of the crystal
Revoke = could reference loss of access to crystal, or access to memories/the society that was taken away

[untold notch]

do mantas have bones

[torn eagle]

I assume yes

[snow cosmos]

they must have some sort of internal structure, whether it's bone or cartilage or something adjacent is up for debate

note to future self: take screenshots of skeleton in vault during cr

[torn eagle]

I actually think Darken = the sky darkening with their arrival, Silent Storm = the shard creating a miniature storm of swirling shards instead of smth like the storm in eden
Revoke = ???

Yours could work too in another angle yea

[gleaming fog]

Revoke access to megabird maybe

Also, look at how thin the manta is compared to the bones, the spine also has a vertical outcropping, which seems to suggest some kind of fin.

The weirdest part is that head though. Manta have one central heart “eye” which I assume holds their flame. The head on the other hand has two eyes facing outwards

[low spindle]

Thats interesting, i didnt know there were 3 tracks.

Revoke is curious,,,

[gleaming fog]

And some kind of nose

[low spindle]

The bones really don't make sense when thinking of the mantas in game,,

[gleaming fog]

Kind of looks like the switch trailer thing that the people were riding

[snow cosmos]

i agree with the spine outcropping thing, that doesn't match up. if anything it reminds me of the whale skeleton in boneyard tbh. the wing bits are in an odd position, but they look... viable? to me? like the skeleton is stuck with the wings pulled back

[torn eagle]

Now Im curious abiut every other track

Like how prophecy has Fullfillment play after you finish a trial

[low spindle]

Yeah,,

[gleaming fog]

If the Eden crystal shards now give ascended candles, does that mean that the Eden crystal is still actively harvesting energy from the skykids trapped in eden? Or maybe from the skybird itself?

[snow cosmos]

i could see the red shards being imbued with light from the creatures whose memories they hold,
wouldn't work so well for the krill or crab memories though

[untold notch]

it could also be Gameplay Mechanics

[torn eagle]

Huh didnt think that way

Now that you mention that I think that is indeed the case

The crystal is still harvesting/storing light and is one of the factors why its shattering

May even be possible that its an overload and is causing the shard to explode and get rid of extra light

Maybe thats also why we get black shards because in the process of exploding and falling the shard has lost its excess energy

[gleaming fog]

Makes me wonder what ascended wax actually is.

Like it seems heavily implied that blue crystals become red (krill, Eden mural/switch trailer), but we don’t know how or why.

We also don’t know what ascended candles are (is it just the remnants of the sky-kids at Eden? Are they made up of a cooler version of wax than we are and that’s why they are still solid instead of disintegrating? Is it just normal wax with an obscene amount of energy inside? Are they the red candles that we light up/have inside of us?).

It kind of seems like the wax could be created inside of the crystal as it absorbs energy from the bird, and that might be causing each part to degrade.

Maybe the crystal was never actually designed to hold memories and we’re just seeing some of the older spirit memories that the skybird has collected?

[keen shore]

Crying at this image

[keen copper]

Maybe cause red crystals revoke your light when you're near them

[snow cosmos]

piecing together my thoughts as i go so forgive me if i overlook information

my thoughts on ascended candles are like... they're the "core" of each petrified skykid we free in Eden. they gift it to us so that they can separate from the bodies that are frozen there and ascend, either to return to Megabird or be reborn in a new body depending on your interpretation. in that sense i guess it could be their red candles, or what's left of them

as for the shards giving ascended candles, i'm not too sure, but maybe they absorbed some of the light from the various kids and creatures trapped in and around eden, and when we get rid of the darkness that light is freed and given to us?

my personal headcanon is that the Eden crystal was originally meant to be some sort of beacon before it became corrupted, not so much memory storage. i suppose memories could have been imprinted into it, since there's an obvious connection between light and memory, but i don't think that was its intended function

[keen shore]

ohhh the ac being the skykids we free’s candles makes so much sense, never connected that!

[snow cosmos]

i literally made that connection just now tbh

[rigid mural]

The OST is available on spotify iirc, interestingly the broken temple area is called "Two Heroes"

Aldo, maybe "Revoke" is because our winged light rights have been revoked ?

[torn eagle]

Theory about crystal in eden is that it was used to harness light enmass since the mountain literally has a pillar of light that connects with orbit/megabirb

Its like.. if power diamonds are batteries the red crystal is a nuclear reactor

[torn eagle]

Speaking of energy stuff

Im curious about how electrical work works in sky.. ive made my own hypothesis but Im curious what the community thinks

[keen copper]

I think that dark stones can be a battery or a data storage medium, but I'm not sure how they could be a battery

[torn eagle]

I think theres a distinction between power diamonds and memory crystals

But they come from the same source hmm which is interesting

[keen copper]

I think that the Goldy metal might have something to do with it

[snow cosmos]

if i understand what you're referring to, don't we see like... in the Vault Elder cutscene for example, the uncharged power diamond is silvery, but when we give our light it turns golden. so wouldn't that imply that they're the same material, just charged vs uncharged? same for the charged/uncharged Elder masks we can get now

[torn eagle]

Light has connection with memory

And light is used as energy

It also seems that no wiring is needed because crystals conduct things through the air/light in the air

In general darkstone as a material is highly conductive TvT

Oh another question always had in my mind

If we as skids use our candle to activate switches

What did ancestors use? 🤔

[keen shore]

I think it’s revoke like us revoking the darkness!

[gleaming fog]

Kind of feels like diamonds can be both for memories and holding power/bending space.

In the vault, we burn lanterns which summon crystal lanterns from the libraries on the side. When activated, what if the side crystals are programming where the new crystal should take the player next?

Sure the first two levels are just “go up”, but the third level onwards bends space around us to the point where we are no longer in the tower

[snow cosmos]

i thought it was established that Vault exists in its entirety inside the Eden mountain?

[gleaming fog]

Telekinesis elder seems to imply that they had crystals embedded inside of them (just like sky kids do), seems like they must’ve ate food to keep their crystal charged, but otherwise could transfer power from their internal crystals as needed

[torn eagle]

Ik they used extracted light but how did they activate switches?

If power diamonds were installed with light inside of them stored wouldnt that mean doors stay open 24/7 while it still has energy?

[torn eagle]

Huh interesting take 🤔

[gleaming fog]

You can see the vault tower from the outside in the wasteland, only goes up roughly two floors, so I assume that the crystal is creating a kind of subspace. Kind of like what we probably use to store cosmetics, wax, etc…

[torn eagle]

You.. cant see vault tower from wasteland..?

[snow cosmos]

there was a conversation about this the other day hold on

[gleaming fog]

At the same time, behind the tower is a massive brick wall. Not mountain, just artificial vertical wall lol.

So you could totally be right

[snow cosmos]

hereabouts

[gleaming fog]

Fly up in the last area with the sentry towers, just before you summon the krill. I could totally be wrong about this but there is a tower that’s above everything.

Library is probably right though, the horizontal distance between you entering the wasteland elder area, and the place in the vault where you start to ascend upwards seems a little too far compared to the tower

[torn eagle]

Thats.. not the vault.. thats a king statue/turret

[snow cosmos]

tbf i have 0 spatial reasoning so i'm going primarily based on what i learned from the conversation the other day

[torn eagle]

Tbh my take on why vault seems like that is 1 what alasdair said or 2 it was intentional and they used countless memory crystals to project the space

One of the reasons why if you deep honk you can see the actual structure of the vault on the top floors

[gleaming fog]

Top floors meaning where?

Not doubting, just never heard of that and I want to try it :D,

There might be other places where it happens too

[torn eagle]

5th and 6th floor/vault summit

[gleaming fog]

I’m personally in the projection camp. The vault elder seems to teleport us up to Eden after we give his crystal fuel, which imo implies that the crystal was moving us through space

That’s also the only spot with a home portal. Makes you wonder if the portals, and the home area itself are somehow created/maintained by some variant of the vault crystal

[austere bridge]

i would like to think that there's some funky teleportation/pocket dimension magic goin on in vault, since in my headcanon when you summon vault elder and finish the cutscene, the area you get sent to is still connected to vault, but only via a one-way teleport courtesy of vault elder
if it wasn't connected to vault, then(to me) it would be considered part of eden and not part of vault.

please credit me if you want to yoink my headcanon

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve always considered where the Elders are as their pocket dimensions. They’re interdimensional travellers of a sort — able to go from the world to Orbit and perhaps other planes and even take people with them (I like to think Rain Elder accidentally took Pioneer to Orbit hence TS hint). Unfortunately, their connection to the Sky world has been severed.

Besides, looking at the top of the Vault where the Elder statues are, how else could skids make it from there to the Vault summit and thus Eden?

[rigid mural]

hey guys guess what
they finally got her

[frigid tinsel]

Nothing I can say can match up to this

[sharp lichen]

what did crab whisperer do

[rigid mural]

who's gonna tell him

[sharp lichen]

This has to be thing that caused it

[lyric isle]

why must I arrive to this

[uncut pond]

I CAME JUST TO POST THIS IMAGE BUT Y'ALL ARE TOO FAST 😭

[frigid tinsel]

“British” Crab Whisperer was just a foil to so they could get into the UK

[untold notch]

you have chosen regicide

[frigid tinsel]

They look tired

[rigid mural]

trip to england does that to you

[frigid tinsel]

Worse than the wasteland

[untold notch]

cw gets jet lagged

[fickle wing]

INSANE

[gleaming fog]

Do you have a version of this where it’s the British flag over her eye? Like some kind of cool football mask?

[rigid mural]

i asked crab whisperer and xe almost beat me up saying xe doesn't support the british crown

[gleaming fog]

We need a braveheart mask version

Sun hat plus claymore sounds like a winning combo 😆

[rigid mural]

I went through some pics from one of the latest eden runs, and saw that the start of the constant rock rain zone (and a bit of the area before) have statues like the entrance of the orbit castle; I like to think it's because it's the same area but that latter map is a bit like a dream

Like, maybe it's what the ancestors could see when standing at the foot of the mountain ?

The shrine island at the end even matches the top of the Vault, maybe that realm used to have an exit directly into the castle but that part flew away when the storm rose, hence why what we see nowadays looks dreamlike and fragmented

[crystal cape]

Rip

[hushed steeple]

This brings me joy!!!

[keen shore]

HELP WHY ARE YOU GIVING THEM MY ORNOUNS

[rigid mural]

Zir pronouns now

[frigid tinsel]

Been thinking taking quite a few pics of the structures in stormlock and during ascension, consider this statue

[rigid mural]

Anyway I doodled what I meant, hope this helps !

[frigid tinsel]

Multiple peaks with the Vault poked out makes a lot of sense actually.

[rigid mural]

oh i just had an idea
what if there were 6 entrances, all themed around the other realms and honoring them ? The first one is derelict like the isle, and the last one is the vault's true summit within the palace

[snow cosmos]

Vela your brain

[torn eagle]

but then in isle temple vault is depicted as one straight tower

maybe the main structure is the tower but as the kingdom progressed it developed into an ant nest type of structure 🤔 sorta like renovations/expansions

[torn eagle]

ooh I like that yoink

[rigid mural]

FAIR POINT though it could be one of the towers visible aboveground too !

[torn eagle]

you think the one where we exit going into eden in game is the valley themed exit? it kinda looks like it shares the same theme as the coliseum .. going by your idea

[frigid tinsel]

I do think the Vault is much much bigger in-universe than what we see in-game. surely there were dormitories where scholars stayed, larger libraries of both books and memory cubes, meeting rooms and lounges, greenhouses to grow plants to study. either we don't see those for game limitations, they'll be unveiled in future seasons, or they're currently cast by purple light manifestations.

[rigid mural]

I will leave that up to you, didn't really define that detail in my headcanon.

[tepid veldt]

what big brain happenings are going on

[crude flame]

I quite like the “ant nest” analogy for the Vault too
It fits with what I personally love to imagine the vault as: a very large, labyrinth-like library with countless corridors, and different intricate sections that we don’t get to see in-game. The entire Eden mountain, filled to the brim with archives and the like. A place you could easily get lost in if you stray off the main path without a guide
I also love what Alasdair suggested, and if it truly is that big after all, different entrances like Vela mentioned makes a lot of sense, plus, them being based off of the other realms is even more appropriate for what the Vault is usually about—reflecting our journey so far

Interesting takes!

[vast tendon]

Repost from genchat. How are Dark Dragons able to fly, not having anything to grant them flight? They do not have Light energy like Skykids and other light creatures do, and yet they hover and even charge scarily fast at the player if line of sight isn't broken. They used to have a red roar before it was reverted.

But now that roar color got reverted. How do you all interpret it, lorechat?

[snow cosmos]

canonically, krill are corrupted light creatures. possibly they maintained that ability from before their corruption, even though they don't have light now

[tepid veldt]

was going to say exactly was book salem said

[vast tendon]

Krill are corrupted light creatures yes, but when we lose our light, we straight up die.

That's like saying you can still eat a bowl of spaghetti but the noodles are long gone.

[frigid tinsel]

they're corrupted, not dead – corruption implies being utterly warped from what they originally were and no longer function the same way as before

[snow cosmos]

without knowing how corruption works, it's hard to say what does or doesn't happen. we lose our light, but theirs may be warped into something different, that can't be considered light anymore, without being extinguished

[torn eagle]

my idea why krills could fly is that, 1 as what library said they are corrupted light creatures and maintained their ability to fly... with their calls reverted back to white that reinforces that idea

ig krills also adapted to maintain prolonged flight (despite light very little in their systems) by imbuing the element of air in them (cyan light in their spotlight) and they turn red when they see us as a sign that darkness has taken hold of them as they lock onto us attempting to attack us to feed on our light

wait.. is their spotlight colored cyan? or more closer to turquoise or smth?

[vast tendon]

What if Krills are like Skykids, and have their own energy that they form naturally? They expend little to none of their theoretically infinite energy floating around, but when they see us.. it's the equivelant of a Skykid flying away using all of their energy wedges.

(Insert cute little UI screenshot of Krill gameplay where your Flame is replaced by a water droplet and black-purple energy wedges that fade to red when preparing to charge at a Skykid. Would be a cool sequel or DLC content.)

[sharp lichen]

I wonder how they conserve energy so much… maybe they take it from the atmosphere?

[keen copper]

Perhaps they recharge by going near darkness plants

[floral grove]

What if the reason why Krills attack Sky Kids is because they're desperate to get the Sjy Kids' Light in order to reverse the effects of corruption

[vast tendon]

Is THAT why they always camp that one big plant in the middle of the realm..?

[vast tendon]

Unfortunately..

Try as you might, no matter how much light you sacrifice, you will never save them.
They are forced to live a life of consuming creatures of light until.. well, something changes.

[keen copper]

[hushed steeple]

Talking abt dark dragons! Here is my second progress update! The Sky Dragon, as I'm calling it, is the pre-corrupted version of the Krill. In this version, not final, I gave it many small tail flippers it would've used while flying and also a 'crowned head' which is basically fat over the 'horns' of modern Krill. I havent't finished the markings on it's back tough

Tell me what you think!

[keen shore]

I really like it so far! It definitely looks like an actual creature that would be in the game, which is really neat. I love the flipper-type wings.

[hushed steeple]

I also did a study, and I might redo the drawing since, due to proportions and counting errors I found a little more different design:
*(Note: Krill has 9 spikes, others are ofshoots of their plated skeleton.)

Also while doing some doodles, I thought and remebered the Beam always being placed on top of Eden, in every mural with the 'Sun symbol'. In the Eden Mural, we no longer see the beam, and the crystal is found rather than the 'Star Symbol'.

In my theory, the Crystal absorbed the beam, to make sure the Ancestors could populate Eden.

As if the Ancestors conquering Megabird's holy land, a land of nature (hence the name Eden), which Ancestors tainted with darkston and then things went shardy crabby and were expelled from Eden and Paradise (orbit).

All most probably by the Crystal shattering, and creating the apocalypse! *(Below is the doodle in question), and launching the castle into orbit.

[gleaming fog]

We see the beam happen a couple of times with the elders.

First the blue crystals light up and activate, then the elders do their thing, and it ends with them sending your spirits/the data you’ve gathered up in some kind of beam of light.

Since the beam is still present, is it possible that the crystal created the beam?

[hushed steeple]

Might be, however I prefer to think it was always there to begin with, the ancestors tried to contain it but failed, with their crystal prison exploding in their faces

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think anything can change. It’s a stalemate. The krills ward off the Skykids (but not enough to kill then entirely), and the Skykids can’t harm the krills

[gleaming fog]

I feel like by “corrupted”, the devs mean that the krill are light creatures with parasites that harvest their energy.

When a light creature runs out of energy, it dies. Krill on the other hand seem to be doing fine. More or less still living. Imo, something is drawing energy from them, causing the dark plant juice to fall off of them. The only thing that eats energy that we know of is the red crystal.

Red crystal + powerful enough light creature = krill?

[keen copper]

Perhaps if a light dragon gets hit by a red crystal it turns into a krill?

[keen shore]

To be honest, I feel like what you’re describing would produce a light creature low on light but which still has it, as opposed to the horrific twisted skeletal beasts that krill are

[keen copper]

Hmmm

Maybe... No... Well, I suppose it's just a thought but what about a skeleton getting hit?

[keen shore]

Possible but very unlikely. Honestly, considering we have no evidence that shards started falling in the first place until Shattering, they were likely drained of light a different way, like refineries

[keen copper]

Maybe the krills are an experiment of some kind?

[uncut pond]

I feel that corruption HAS to be different from red crystal light draining, otherwise Sky kids, being possibly some of the most full of light creatures there are, would get corrupted too

[keen shore]

Probably not, that would very much be a “lots of risk for no real good reason” situation

[rigid mural]

Krills don't need to be the intended result tbf

[keen shore]

You’re right, but the possibility that they come from light creatures drained in refineries to charge darkstone is higher I would think — after one or two krills happen I don’t know why there would be More experiments done to make the rest, especially with how much destruction they cause

[manic owl]

As the mural in abyss explains, yes. Maybe this vid will help
https://youtu.be/6jeXpHssFHk

[south oracle]

What if corruption is more of a constant exposure, rather than an immediate event, like radiation?

[keen shore]

If you’re talking about this mural — it’s possible that it shows an experiment, but much more likely shows the extraction of light from mantas (on the left) to charge darkstone (on the right). If you need me to explain darkstone and refineries I can — treasure reef is likely one of them, and has the diamond symbol denoting them scattered around.

[manic owl]

Oh sure id like to know another POV

[potent sedge]

soooo king theory
basically what we assume in the murals in prophecy [as well as some other areas], it shows that the king was killed by who we assume to be GW elder.
i personally think Eden exploded/erupted either 2 or 3 times. this is when Eden exploded the first time, when the king was killed
the second time is unknown but it caused the corruption through the manta and crab memories in shattering, where the darkness can be seen flying through the air and corrupting these creatures
the third time is now, in the season of shattering

[keen shore]

Let me gather some images really quickly, there is a concept that I need to track down which shows it

[potent sedge]

we're seeing the ancient memories through the second time that eden has exploded/erupted

[manic owl]

Okii. The yt link vid i sent is interesting too. Try to watch :3

[keen shore]

these are a bit fried but while I try to find a higher res version these are the ones that I’m talking about

[white junco]

what r they cooking

salem does this work

[keen shore]

The experiment explanation IS possible, but it relies on a few things:
1 - you need to find an explanation for why the experiments would happen in the first place, especially after the first krill started showing up — what’s important enough to justify purposefully making more of them? What are the experiments trying to prove?
2 - the diamonds on the right (darkstone) not being very involved in the process, or having an unexplained role in the experiment, vs being the things charged by the mantas on the left in the refinery theory — especially because larger manta = more diamond
3 - The rest of treasure reef, especially the darkstone chunks found underwater being either just kinda there or ignored

You could 100% find a way to explain it, so I’m not discounting it as a possibly by any means, this is just why I don’t think it’s the likeliest one

[white junco]

man i never actually looked at this one that hard. boat from Day :(

[south oracle]

Heck yeah I love king theories

[manic owl]

The yt vid i sent can answer all of these questions :3

I love how u interpert it too!

[frigid tinsel]

Sometimes I wonder if Day Elder knew the fate of those creatures in jars

[potent sedge]

honestly, i think not. and my theory is that that's what caused the war in GW because there's jars in GW's boat

[nova geyser]

1 - I mean honestly you could compare the krill to climate change— the general population could have been kept in the dark at first, there’s not many krill/they could keep them contained (which they were def doing in Abyss), and the reason is MOOLAH/power
2 - I figured the mural showed the two components needed for the batteries — the dark stones being the containers, and the mantas being the energy source. Like a conveyor belt of horror
3 - Also possible that the dark stones had a one time use, or needed additional refining in order to be used again, and it was easier to just mine new ones than recycle the old (coughPLASTICcough)

[keen shore]

Mallard — judging by the second thing you listed I think we’re on the same page here, my idea being that the mantas in the mural were drained to fill the darkstone (which is basically what you described in the second piece) while what I’m arguing against is that the mural depicts an experiment that purposefully corrupted the mantas for some reason

[nova geyser]

Ohhhhhhh okay thank you for explaining further!! I’m not sure if it was “purposefully” corrupting the mantas — if the process inherently corrupts light creatures, than other than the very first time you run the experiment and don’t know what’s going to happen it’s gonna be on purpose?

[keen shore]

Yeah! That’s what I was trying to get across, vs with my idea the corruption would be an accidental byproduct of the darkstone charging

[nova geyser]

OH okay— well that’s kinda what I mean, haha; there’s obviously more than one power stone around, so they’d have to be doing it with knowledge that it corrupts

[keen shore]

Difference between purposefully causing the corruption for the sake of causing it or just kicking it under the rug in order to keep doing what they’re doing

[nova geyser]

OHHHHHHH okay my complete bad. XD So like it’s actually the end product vs some unwanted byproduct

[vast tendon]

So wait- Mantas are Dark Dragons before corruption?

What corrupts creatures, then? And what are the Dark Crabs a corrupted creature of?

[nova geyser]

It’s possible!! Another thing that could’ve happened is that the “waste” from the power transfer (which, lovely way to say body disposal) seemed to be inert after the power transfer, but as the bodies piled up the growing residual resentment/grief/pain from the light creatures reanimated and cobbled themselves together into krill

[keen shore]

Not necessarily, krill could come from another light creature that underwent the same treatment, although I like to think that they’re a bunch of mantas fused together — it’s up in the air and you can do whatever

Edit: mallard just described my EXACT headcanon they might have gotten it from me

[frigid tinsel]

We know krill are corrupted light creatures, but we don’t know what they used to be before corruption. So krill could have been something else

[copper saffron]

iirc there's a concept art that mentions that light creatures don't leave behind skeletons when they die, unless the death was from unnatural causes
so do with that what you will lorechat

[nova geyser]

SORRY just reread the second part of your note about the “unnatural causes” 8D;;;

Lmao they were basically plasticizing light creatures

[calm jewel]

What's the lore behind the light creature in the oob above vault?

[manic owl]

This is why i love this channel. We can discuss lore and no one is right or wrong here.

Actually salem and mallard explanation is also in the vid. With additional, the experiment. They werent meant it to be krill. They wanted to make manta bigger because they realized that bigger manta can charge more dark stones. They genetically made mantas bigger but somehow mutation happened and it made krill ofc by accident, not on purpose. So in conclusion krills are both from light extraction and experiment accident.

Sorry my poor english cant explain it better, thats why i just sent the link vid lol. Annndd im curious what do u guys think abt it :3 i suggest to watch the vid first so yall wont missunderstand me lol (lack of language problem, totally pain 😔) oh yeah the vid explaination is very easy to understand if u have the same problem with me lololol

[uncut pond]

I think that the reason ancestors didn't stop powering darkstone with mantas despite it creating krills is because just like we've seen in Abyss they could just lock the krill away and hope they stay there

Wasteland was where most of the powering process happened, I believe it could've been a massive operation meant to gather enough light to power up the giant Eden Diamond, that's why there are so many krill (and pipes everywhere) in wasteland; which also explains what even happened in there, tho it also has some depressing implications given that Shattering confirms the krill made it past wasteland and into Eden

[manic owl]

I actually made a summary abt sky lore from so many theories most talked abt, and i tried to connect it all. I wanted to share it but i kinda shy

[copper saffron]

dont be! we're all here because we love sky lore

[torn eagle]

I think the abyss facility could function as both a refinery and an experiment facility

In most parts of treasure reef we see that there are darkstone mines and we also see the diamond symbols that denotes refineries

But it doesnt explain what that big door by the tower that contains the krills is for.. also the fact that the megakrill is contained in some sort of observatory before we release it. Id also like to note about the culture chambers found there as well

Maybe at first it was built for the purpose of refining darkstone but as.. "dark pollution" became rampant they repurposed a part of the building to test the effects on creatures..

Id like to point out that the megakrill seems more "natural" compared to the krill we have.. maybe the megakrill was naturally formed due to corruption while krill were made artifically for the purpose of war machines

In sneaky survivors memory maybe the reason why the krill is hostile is because they were on the rebel side?

Edit: darkstone refining and light extraction can be compared to nuclear energy where both are radioactive.. krills are like nuclear weapons in a sense

[outer hare]

bOBbit ^^

[torn eagle]

[sharp lichen]

Hello Nami!

[torpid cedar]

Heya lore chat, I was wondering if there by any chance some correlation between Shattering and Abyss? Oobing in Abyss again made me realize the Frozen Manta in the final quest somewhat reminds me of the Mantas in the Shared Memories. Are the two seasons somewhat related?

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think so, mantas seem to be a common sight in all seasons

[round parrot]

The spirit manta we see (in Shattering) is possible a spirit of another manta, who we help ascend. While the other manta just gives us the ability to dive or make the Leviathan spit the Skykid and Cackling Cannoneer out

[torpid cedar]

Alrighty, thanks y'all tho I'm kinda wondering where I can read some Abyss lore bc I didn't rlly read some stuff in Abyss other than theories about the Leviathan

[sharp lichen]

There’s also the theory that mantas were converted into power diamonds in the Treasure Reef. I even found the exact formula for it

[torpid cedar]

What formula

[tepid veldt]

mantas have been through some messed up stuff in skydom. why do you think they still help us? is it because we are skykids and not ancestors? (assuming that the anscestors and/or elders did this)

[torpid cedar]

I kinda like that theory bc the chamber where the Long Eel rotates (second quest I think?? I don't remember) we had to rescue the mangas from the champers they were locked in

[torpid cedar]

I think so yeah, so far the mantas we've encountered when we venture through the reams have helped recharge us, lead us to the right path and somewhat help guide us to ascension to get to orbit

[rigid mural]

Perhaps they recognize them as helpers and skykids have way more light than ancestors !

In concept art, skykid designs mixed ancestor cold and dark colors with light creatures warm tones. Perhaps Skykids aren't entirely like ancestors.

In some memories though, we do see ancestors getting along with light creatures (mostly whisperers); thinking about bird whisperer, jelly whisperer, light whisperer and backflip champion.

Although it's not the first time we see them, the first time we get to interact with mantas is in the prairie village where they see skykids burn away darkness to activate the bells. Being social creatures and seeing as some of them follow us through the realms afterwards (cute but also heartbreaking in Wasteland), it's possible the new information spread as they are social creatures.

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message @torpid cedar Here’s the formula

“Aaagh” is the reaction indeed, this is not the first or last time math was used in lorechat

[torpid cedar]

I wonder how long it took u to get that formula

[round parrot]

||Oh god, did that happen during 6 days of math in Lorechat?||

[sharp lichen]

It happened after that

[round parrot]

Ah

So the mini sequel to ||6 days of math||

[sharp lichen]

Not long, apparently someone in lorechat was exploring the Treasure Reef and just happened to find something interesting: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[torpid cedar]

Ooo that makes sense

[torn eagle]

How many wingsets do elder mantas have?

[keen copper]

4 to 6 from memory

Oh wait you mean sets, then 2 to 3

[slate saffron]

👁️

[slate saffron]

There's something I'm worried about regarding that formula

what if the image that was used to determine it isn't an accurate representation regarding manta-to-diamond conversion, rather it is embellished or otherwise inaccurate, only to convey a general sense of what took place at the treasure reef facility?

[gleaming fog]

If the reef is where they make krill, what if they weren’t harvesting the manta, but trying to create them?

The wasteland seems like it used to be a forest (canopy of clouds, holes where trees should be, rivers of pollution that trees would normally convert into rain) and a lot of light creatures seem to have died from being harvested.

Maybe they tried to re-create what they made in the vault but got hungering ones instead?

And rather than abandon ship, they adapted and used krill as living harvesters of energy to keep the refineries going?

We’ve only ever seen light creatures break ancestor structures, even chungo krill escaped only after we opened the gate. It’s almost as if they’re designed to respect the machines that they power.

[stable veldt]

With that logic, would it be possible those cosmic mantas are spirit's iteration of mantas?

[stiff bear]

Do you ever wonder if Krills have feelings

[keen copper]

Probably not, they seemingly only act off instinct

[stiff bear]

So they were created to destroy. It'd be sad if there was one Krill that didn't want to but it had to,,, qnq

[sharp lichen]

Then math is impossible in Sky, and I can’t believe that

[frigid tinsel]

They do feel hunger

[keen copper]

No, I'm pretty sure krills don't got much of a brain in their head

[frigid tinsel]

Why?
Besides, that’s literally an in-game hint. So they canonically feel hunger.

[stiff bear]

Nah better question: Why do we call them krill? Is it because of their movement and spindly legs

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, reminiscent of irl krill

[stiff bear]

That's actually adorable ngl

[slate saffron]

That's a very interesting idea, & one that I personally quite enjoy, but it's one that's a bit hard to believe if im understanding you right (please correct me if I'm not)

Although certainly taxing on their population, it doesn't seem like the ancestors' harvesting of the mantas drove the species to extinction/any kind of need that would have forced them to artificially create more, especially when considering places like sanctuary (which seems to serve as something akin to breeding grounds for the manta) appear to have gone untouched, assumedly to insure that they WOULDN'T need to do that.

& without that reason, I'm not sure why the ancestors would want to create more mantas, much less design & construct an entire facility dedicated towards that purpose. Mantas are light creatures, and assumedly would need light to be born. Why would the ancestors have dedicated time to create something with the thing that they need the creature for? A process like that sorta feels convoluted & unnecessary in my opinion.

Beyond that, krill seem to be hostile towards the ancestors & their creations (and all life in general) based on the weaponry scattered throughout wasteland & the giant claw marks on the Treasure Reef tower. They don't seem to be the type to cooperate with the desires of others & only seem to act purely off instinct, patrolling for light creatures to consume and acting passive otherwise (which could have be the reason why the leviathan & other krills didnt thrash about in containment prior to release, as when isolated from sensing potential sources of light they become more docile, only emerging from containment as once the door opened they could once again sense the light creatures outside).

In all honesty, it more feels like the treasure reef facility was more of a distillery than anything else, where light was harvested & made potent before being transfered off to a facility in wasteland or Forrest to be infused into darkstone to make power diamonds.

[slate saffron]

Hunger isn't necessarily an emotion, it's also a desire. It could be that the krill don't think or feel, but solely and only desire light beyond reason or remorse. & without their hunger for light, they're nothing else besides corrupted light creatures that is

[stiff bear]

Skykids are definitely children. Maxing out the crying emote literally shows them having a tantrum lol

[rigid mural]

good evening lore chat

[keen shore]

why are cheese snacks all the rhythm troupe eats, do they know other food exists

[rigid mural]

french people need to eat cheese daily or they die

[frigid tinsel]

TIL I’m French

[keen shore]

NO…

The amount of fanfics in universe that would exist whipping rhythm and actor because it’s like , shy person x “bad boy” trope

[frigid tinsel]

whipping

[keen shore]

NO. NO IM
I MEANT TO SAY SHIPPING I DIDNT EVEJ NOTICE OH NO

Experiencing great pain rn, do I leave that in or keep it

[rigid mural]

welcome, you get a complimentary starter pack, there's a breakfast kit, a lighter, spite, a map showing you the fastest way to get out of paris and barely concealed rage

[frigid tinsel]

I already screenshotted it so

[slate saffron]

👁️

[frigid tinsel]

I already have spite and barely concealed rage, does this just multiply those things or exponentially increase it

[keen shore]

Crying, the stars have aligned to give me one of the worst but also funniest typos in existence

[raw crypt]

im sorry

[slate saffron]

Favorite bread?

[rigid mural]

you get a free drink from me

[frigid tinsel]

Swag

[keen shore]

The drink is coffee with butter and chicken broth in it

[slate saffron]

That sounds delicious I'm gonna go make that now

[frigid tinsel]

Uh sliced bread?

[frigid tinsel]

Id rather have alcohol and I don’t drink

[rigid mural]

i'd try whatever salem just described

[untold notch]

question, isn't stuff like milk bad for singing

[snow cosmos]

yeah, dairy coats your throat in weird ways

[untold notch]

why then does the performing troupe only eat cheese snacks

[frigid tinsel]

Cheese isn’t milk

[untold notch]

although in fairness we have no way of knowing if singing was part of their performances

[keen shore]

So that spin dancer can’t steal it

[snow cosmos]

apparently the science is actually kinda iffy but that's the common lore at least

[untold notch]

what is the sky equivalent of the m-word (Macbeth)

[snow cosmos]

whatever Stagehand was doing at the beginning of the season

[untold notch]

ngl I haven't played since pre abyss so I Don't know what that is

[snow cosmos]

tldr summary: everything was fine and then everything was on fire

[frigid tinsel]

Stagehand is from Performanxe which was post-Abyss

[rigid mural]

i said macbeth on the performance stage with my theater friend and they yelled at me

[untold notch]

completely understandable reaction to this occurrence

[rigid mural]

im immune to macbeth because im not english

[untold notch]

it's like. The theater superstition or something

[keen shore]

why is Macbeth bad

[untold notch]

iirc the superstition is that if you say it on stage something bad will happen to your show

[snow cosmos]

on stage or in a theatre, yeah
every production i've been in has had at least 3 things go significantly wrong

[frigid tinsel]

Relevant Vela doodle

[keen shore]

omg slink spirit

[untold notch]

I'm thinking I may have accidentally done this to that one one act I was talking about

[untold notch]

probably somehow like this

[rigid mural]

actually theres a doodle in beta thats even more relecant hang on

[keen shore]

didn’t realize your doodles went through testing stages

[frigid tinsel]

The secret beta archives

[frigid tinsel]

Pepo behavior

[keen shore]

do you think the performance spirits have an in joke that this is what caused the Eden explosion

[snow cosmos]

yes

[slate saffron]

Terrible. You should eat bread like an opossum eats trash after having been thrown into a large pit by unfortunate circumstance & having to wait weeks until the rainwater (it's springtime in this analogy & a very large hurricane is passing through) for accumulated rain water to elevate you far enough to climb out of the hole, only for you to have upon climbing out to be attacked by a rather irate store owner whose shop was flooded the day prior & is taking his aggression out on you (he didnt have insurance) which forces you to run down an alley way & into a heap of trash to take shelter in while you await your assailant's retreat, during which time you find a disregarded loaf of bread (it was slightly burnt in the oven by the bakery next door) to nom down on.

But instead you use a knife like a flagrant French aristocrat from prior to the French revolution, showing off your immense wealth by cutting the bread so diligently made by your underpaid staff with your bespectacled sliver dagger, who you have so callously decorated with a cerulean sapphire you stole off the corpse of a dead man.

For shame

[frigid tinsel]

I use knives to butter my bread, not cut it

[rigid mural]

honestly i dont mind messing with actors but stagehands are frightening, i could evade an angry storyteller but frantic stagehand ? im dead

[keen shore]

WHAT DO YOU CUT BREAD WITH? A SPOON?

[frigid tinsel]

I buy it already sliced

[untold notch]

hir hands oh

[frigid tinsel]

Sometimes I do shove slices of bread in my mouth and just munch

[lyric isle]

helo lore chat - waiting to play sploon but internet currently down so here in the meantime

[slate saffron]

LIKE AN ARISTOCRAT THEN? TOO MUCH EFFORT FOR YOUR PALE, FRAIL(you are a French aristocrat from prior to the French revolution who has never been outside hir immaculate, but mostly empty palace) ARMS TO CUT? BETTER LEAVE IT TO THE PEASANT WORKING CLASS TO DO FOR YOU INSTEAD EH?

[rigid mural]

never talk to me about food crimes or crustless bread again

[frigid tinsel]

I’m black

[lyric isle]

insult unsuccessful /lh

[slate saffron]

I'm using pale as an expression to mean the sun has never touched the aristocrats' skin in this analogy

[rigid mural]

take the L strega

[snow cosmos]

Strega is creating a whole pre-French Revolution AU out here

[slate saffron]

Tell me how fun the splatana is to use when you finally get to play

[lyric isle]

ok but the shards remind me of salmon run to an extent. but that’s irrelevant

[frigid tinsel]

Speaking of bread, Imma start making grilled cheese

[snow cosmos]

Strega has been typing for a concerningly long time /lh

[slim plume]

Just got here and Strega has been typing for the past 5 minutes or smthn, I feel like I walked into the party late with an americano from Starbucks blinking profusely at whatever in Orbit I just walked into

[fickle wing]

why slice bread when u can just tear it apart w ur bare hands

[frigid tinsel]

I think I'm gonna be burned worse than toast

[eternal totem]

I love this post, I owe you my life. Banger post, certified hood classic even

[low spindle]

Lore chat. Bows

[soft timber]

Why tear bread when you can eat the whole loaf

[snow cosmos]

Strega have you reached character limit yet /lh hj

[slate saffron]

AN L? LIKE THE L THAT YOU STOLE FROM ROME (The holy one who in this timeline has extended further to the east of the alps and into Hungary) WHEN YOU SINGLE HANDEDLY ORCHESTRATED THE SACKING OF SAXONY (referring the region composing the descendants of the Angeles, Saxons, & Jutes who instead of being imported over en-mass to what is now modern day England as mercenaries & later came together overtime to form a distinct culture less associated with the dominant Celtic cultures of the time, instead came in fewer droves & didn't stay permanently, rather preferring to ferry to & from their homes land & enrich their families in a more major way than irl, thus similarly becoming acquainted to each other thus relations between them all more friendly, allowing them to merge together into a more singular culture as their nation-states developed overtime. With outside pressures such as Frankish & Danish incursions helping to solidify their bond, the first of which from where their current name comes from as the Franks used a name reminiscent of it to refer to groups as a whole during their campaigns against them) AND UNDER THE ORDERS OF THE EMIR OF AL DAIR (From which the aristocrat of the previous analogy got their first name and descends from. It is the name of the kingdom under which you served, who in part because of it being a tributary of Al Andalus spoke a strange mix of french and Arabic, producing the strange speech that the realm was in named) WHO, SEEKING INCREASED FAVOR FROM AL-ANDALUS (whom they had fallen out from, and whom had sponsored the creation of the kingdom to help form a buffer state between itself & Christian Europe) TO DETER FUTURE AGRESSION FROM THE CHRISTIAN FORCES OF EUROPE, SOUGHT TO PUNISH THEIR LARGEST DETRACTOR. HOW MANY DIED IN THOSE SEIGES VELA? HOW MANY?

I'm now going to go draw up a timeline for this au I made ill be back later

[eternal totem]

????

[slate saffron]

I have made a terrible dive into alternate history to explain why Alasdair is a French aristocrat

I will now be crying as a draw up an timeline

[snow cosmos]

fear.exe

[rigid mural]

im not reading that

[eternal totem]

Mucho texto

[slim plume]

Hey Starbucks? Yeah, can I order 50 Americanos today please? It's gonna be a long one, k thanks /lh /s /j

[sharp lichen]

NO NO NO

I CANT SCROLL UP

I CANT

[sharp lichen]

I wonder if my Rhythm Guide is accurate

“Let’s do it then!” The LRG and Rhythm Troupe’s boats slowly cruised along to the gate. When both of them were ready, the race started. “Last one there is a rotten loser!”

[gleaming fog]

But of a bump on an old message, but I think the manta are the babies, like saplings in a forest that just burned down. They only seem normal since the majority of the adults are dead (we only see one adult manta in a game filled with manta).

The big skeletons that we see in the wasteland seem to be the ones at the top. Remember, ancestors/light creatures decay to dust after they die, and the wasteland is a desert buried in dust. Who knows how many bones/people dust exist beneath the dunes and sludge.

As for the krill having no masters, we see two instances where krill are controlled by blue crystals (abyss after the alarm goes off, and wasteland after you break in, another alarm). While they aren’t Controllable, they do synergize well with the light people who we get WL from. They seem to auto-absorb energy around them so having something to “free” that energy might’ve been useful later on.

When it comes to making manta, the valley had manta races, it’s possible that was rooted in trying to get to the skybird. Not sure though

Also, I want the shark face cosmetic so I can fulfil my dream of eating krill,

Ngl, that message above was from two hours ago, clicked the wrong button and sent it ;-;

[eternal totem]

Who will win ⁉️❓

[slim plume]

Crab Whisperer no doubt

[eternal totem]

Lorechat blorbo tournament

[frigid tinsel]

now this is interesting

[raw crypt]

Sans

[frigid tinsel]

we wanted our players to go confront the darkness that is not going away just because you have finished the main story arc.

[rigid mural]

OH !!!
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[frigid tinsel]

also remember that convo after seasons being light and dark themed?

[slim plume]

OOOOOH MORE DARK THEMES SEASONS YESYESYES

[rigid mural]

darker yet darker
very, very interesting /ref

[frigid tinsel]

re: crawling

[slate saffron]

Strega. Strega always wuns

[rigid mural]

strega jsyk the gods always strike down the ones that don't hide their hubris

[sharp lichen]

This does imply that Prophecy is dark, which sortof confirms some theories

[frigid tinsel]

season of Storm

[rigid mural]

Interesting how this season is the comeback of pre-launch stuff, kinda like a return to the sources

[frigid tinsel]

sometimes dusting off old material and making it anew can really do well

[gleaming fog]

Am I weird for liking the crawl mechanic a bit more now?

[frigid tinsel]

I've always liked it. blokes who complain about it "not fitting Sky" just need to git gud

[rigid mural]

Tbh I think it's less the crawling and more the button signaling people losing wl that get people to help, crawling is just there as a consequence if you dont help someone

[rigid mural]

"major collaboration season" does that mean we will get a collab season per year ?

[gleaming fog]

Wym? The red icon?

Personally I like it since they made capes turn black and it was hard to tell if someone hadn’t been lit or was dying

[frigid tinsel]

crawling feels more realistic. sure, skykids are strong, but in the deluge of darkness that is Eden and stormlock and the red shards, they get knocked down. skykids die in stormlock. but this offers an opportunity for players help each other, jsut as the devs intended for Sky all along – the mutually supportive community aspect

[rigid mural]

I don't really mind the crawling though I have yet to experience it on mobile where the screen gets cluttered fast

[gleaming fog]

Fortnite emotes when

[low spindle]

I agree. But my heart loved the walking

[rigid mural]

iirc jenova chen got a list of brands to collab with and commented in a video about how he didnt find many that fit sky (hence why he chose TLP in 2021), it's possible fortnite was in the list

[frigid tinsel]

fear.jpg

[rigid mural]

TGC is a company but I'm glad they are not turning Sky into a soulless thing now that it's getting a big playerbase.

[gleaming fog]

Nah, a cooler one would be from soft, nice little forest area with a big golden tree

Happy little dragons and spirits that are wizards

[low spindle]

Wizard 101 collab

[rigid mural]

I think it would be really interesting to see how decision-making goes behind the scenes, especially because TGC decided to make a MMO despite being such a small company. The recent update on water reflections could be those newer technologies that enabled them to add what Shattering introduced ?

[grim python]

you have to pay for a premium sky account just to enter the seasonal area

[low spindle]

LMAO DJDBWKN

[rigid mural]

tgc should collab with animal jam, absolutely nothing wrong could come out of this

[gleaming fog]

Tgc collab with no man’s sky when?

[frigid tinsel]

shhh, don't give them ideas

[slate saffron]

WIZARDS 101 🧙‍♂️ 🧙‍♀️ 🧙

[low spindle]

People are gonna start paying 1500 candles for one spiked collar cosmetic

[rigid mural]

the ult is magenta

[gleaming fog]

I want another water season, just make the whole thing in a massive underwater cavern. Like no air anywhere.

You just swim and eat seaweed

[snow cosmos]

d&d themed season.........

[frigid tinsel]

speaking of water

[rigid mural]

OH BUT THAT WOULD BE SO DOPE THO THEY GOT FALLEN RUINS OF CIVILISATIONS IN FAERUN AND POWER RESIDING WITHIN WORKING IN GROUPS

[fickle wing]

top 10 scariest sentences

[rigid mural]

top 10 sentences to summon krii

[snow cosmos]

season hub is an inn, spirit relives are the stories of their adventures and take you to different locations across sky
guide is the innkeeper

[fickle wing]

anyways megabird n mira animal jam would b besties change my mind they’re both bird goddesses

[gleaming fog]

Being able to learn certain skills to make you better at some things but worse at others could be cool. Players could compliment each-other skill-wise.

Things like being able to recharge slowly all the time, but having fewer notches, being a beefy tank that can eat krill, but you need a lot of energy to recharge, that kind of thing

[rigid mural]

SEASON OF ADVENTURE
questgiver wants you to find the spirits to fill their tavern with people again
each quest has you explore a new area with each of the seasonal spirits, with the last revealing a really cool mural to make lorechat go feral

[gleaming fog]

Each new quest takes place in procedurally generated landscape, repayable daily

[rigid mural]

not sure they got the horsepower for that

[fickle wing]

what if there was a dragon (like. Dragon dragon 🐉 not shrimp) but it was called a krill
like how ingame krill r called dark dragons but reversed sorta

[frigid tinsel]

light dragon

[snow cosmos]

would also be a great opportunity to drop more lore hints about the war and calamity

[rigid mural]

"portal" ?

[gleaming fog]

Only needs to be the server that does the work, we’d just be fed coordinates for where to put map objects

[frigid tinsel]

oi light mode.
I think they mean the Void of Shattering that shows up after every red shard

[rigid mural]

im on browser and not logged on
anyway funniest reply

[frigid tinsel]

the site, btw: https://sky-clock.netlify.app/

[rigid mural]

Oh this is interesting, someone asked the question I wanted; takes 6 months to make a season.

[crude flame]

I’m concerned about this one

[snow cosmos]

fear

[rigid mural]

tgc hire me

[gleaming fog]

Imagine a giant krill that charges and crawls towards you on the ground like a centipede.

Sure you can fly, but it’s always waiting when you land

[frigid tinsel]

what a sight to reenter lorechat to

[crude flame]

That sounds absolutely terrifying

[frigid tinsel]

what about those huge worm things that emerged out of the ice eating the prey that was once standing on the ground from Subnautica: Below Zero?

[rigid mural]

krill whisperer when

[frigid tinsel]

just crab whisperer but buff

[rigid mural]

crab whisperer is already buff

[gleaming fog]

Buff skykid when?

Edit: only the arms, like legitimately

[rigid mural]

Just look into the fanart chats

[crude flame]

I had to look it up, but that’s terrifying too
We’re giving TGC even more ideas than the OP of that comment

[gleaming fog]

#sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat message

He wasn’t joking lol

[frigid tinsel]

love how the next picture is a skykid eating dirt

[slim plume]

Was just about to say

[untold notch]

me tbh

[rigid mural]

no shade to artists that can draw anatomy, i just find this being a regular occurence really funny, people with beefy ocs that look thin like a fledgling birds ingame

[low spindle]

I like how artists make diff body types from the these characters that are all thin little kids lol

Edit: i just realized im bias since im an artist

[gleaming fog]

I want our skykids to get fat if they consistently go to grandma for too long

[frigid tinsel]

yea no, don't

[low spindle]

I want an option to have chubbier skids too be honest

Just maybe not like that,,,,

[gleaming fog]

Something like what sea of thieves does would be cool, just a bunch of presets

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think in-universe skykids come in different body sizes, but buff isn't one of those on the list. skykids don't seem to be biological so they wouldn't have muscles to build

[rigid mural]

larger bodies for skykids would be nice, a few of my ocs are a bit rounder than their ingame model

i should probably find a picture of them standing up but they,,,

[frigid tinsel]

we see ancestors with body diversity and irl humans naturally come in different body sizes. doesn't have to correlate with how much they eat. I, for one, gained 40 pounds in three months by weaning off a medication.

Robin the beloved ✨

[snow cosmos]

i do think more body types would be cool, but like - we don't eat at grandma's anyway, we burn the food, so i'd say not to link it to consumption

[rigid mural]

here, they're bigger to store more love in them

[gleaming fog]

I wonder if skykids will ever be able to grow up? Like get taller

[eternal totem]

Resize potions

[rigid mural]

I had ideas about older skykids, but it's something taht belongs to the far future imo

[crude flame]

I feel like I remember some chubbier sky kids in the concept art somewhere, and I drew some characters based off of the old concept art, they were really cute and fun to draw !

[frigid tinsel]

we don't see them grow overtime. either cos they, being nonbiological, can't without resize potions or because they haven't been around long enough to see them grow.

[rigid mural]

I think skykids in-universe would have ancestor body types !

[blazing nova]

tired: getting taller
wired: getting wider

[snow cosmos]

i like to think skykids could grow up into the next generation of ancestors, but because we keep being reborn in eden we never get the chance

[rigid mural]

Could also be an artistical choice since the devs said in a stream they wanted the avatar to be childlike so adult players can be goofy and silly

[untold notch]

I'm just thinking of like. a sphere with a mask on it

like that one Mario party (8?9?) mini game

[eternal totem]

Different body types depending on the realm they fell in? Valley kids with a denser coat for example?
?

[rigid mural]

"coat" dark your mind

[eternal totem]

The braincells aligned

[untold notch]

coat?

[rigid mural]

in my headcanons skykids are, functionally, airborne ancestors, but i love the interpretations that make them creatures because kids left alone on their own sometimes start roleplaying as a warrior cat

[gleaming fog]

Aren’t they just robots made of “wax”?

[untold notch]

I don't understand the coat part in relation to that but

[eternal totem]

Feathers, fur, hair, etc

[rigid mural]

That's your headcanon. Some people might get uncomfortable implying skykids are automatons though, since it's rooted in less than well-intentioned ideas.

[frigid tinsel]

I doubt they are made of wax cos "wax" is just the community's term for bits of light – it's not actually canon that we collect "wax" in game. clay is the most common idea what skykids' bodies are made out of, but others include stone, ash, charcoal, or meteorites from the bodies of rock that orbit the Light.

My Working Theory on the Composition of a Skykid
–clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light.
–a humanoid physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, stone, ash, charcoal, meteorite) that has a hole in the chest and eyes.
–the hollow shell is full of light, such as winged light and neutral light.
–their cape, a manifestation of winged light.
–their flame, manifesting as the light in the hole in their chest and held outside their bodies via a red candle.
–their soul, appearing as a blue sparkle.

"robots" isn't a good word to describe skykids cos it implies they are unthinking and unfeeling, never deviating from their coded mission when, in fact, they do. "golems" is a better alternative since a golem is an animate, feeling entity made of inanimate materials. for skykids, that would be their shell and their light.

[gleaming fog]

I mean we literally have candle hearts, we can be turned off and on, etc…

I’m weird but if we replace “wax” with “flesh”, it means the same thing, all people are automations made of flesh. I don’t think that makes them less valuable.

[rigid mural]

Wym by "turned off and on" ?

[bronze arch]

Sorry I already copyrighted and trademarked “Season of Adventure” /hj

[frigid tinsel]

it is not that implying they're robots makes them less valuable, it's the implication that if skykids are robots, then skykids don't feel emotions or have to "learn" emotions. the problem is that is plays off an ableist trope, which I've spoken about here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[sharp lichen]

But robots can feel emotions and learn emotions. All a robot means is a machine that was constructed and can replicate humans

[frigid tinsel]

in fiction, yes. in real life, no.

[gleaming fog]

So the devs call literally everything “light”,

The stuff we collect from candles imo is wax (some kind of autonomous flesh putty) and energy. Wax without energy tries to get energy from the environment by becoming dark plants.

When we run out of energy, dark plant debris falls off of us and we fall apart. That’s why I think our avatars are primarily wax.

Plus, ancestors have no inventories (they ded), so when we buy things from them, they’re probably crafting things for us. Masks, capes, etc… Sounds fine until you realize that emotes are memories. Brain tissue crafted from wax.

[snow cosmos]

ooooor we replicate what we see them wearing out of light (since cosmetics cast no shadow and disappear when unlit) and they teach us their expressions and what they mean

[sharp lichen]

I know, but when “robot” is used to refer to Skykids, the first thing that comes to mind is the fact they resemble human beings and are built out of artificial thing.

[untold notch]

ergo a golem (or homunculus? I'm not well versed on types of magical constructs)

[gleaming fog]

Lol I mean running out of energy lmao

[rigid mural]

i dont think you can divorce calling something that doesnt show a lot of emotion by themselves "robot" from the less savory implications it may have that easily tbh, best to avoid using that word imo

[rigid mural]

Oh, like getting extinguished after walking in dark water or being attacked by dark creatures ?

[sharp lichen]

What would be a better word, then? Has Golem been used unfavorably?

[frigid tinsel]

I've already mentioned that "golem" is more suitable word

[gleaming fog]

Also, is someone less human if they transfer their brain into a computer server?

They can still feel emotions and think.

[untold notch]

talking about what defines a human is not something I am getting into right now

[sharp lichen]

Are humans just a different version of machines?

Oh god it’s Sky philosophy

[snow cosmos]

brain/mind upload isn't scientifically possible at the moment so i'm not sure how relevant it is
we can theorize based on how it might be done but /shrug

[gleaming fog]

What if the king uploaded his mind into sky kid robo bods and just made a bunch of em

[rigid mural]

There's this Kurzgesagt video---

[untold notch]

for what it's worth my answer is generally the ability to cook since to my knowledge that's a human-exclusive ability

[gleaming fog]

https://www.tasteofhome.com/article/meet-breadbot-the-automated-bread-baker/

[snow cosmos]

could we perhaps respectfully agree to avoid the word robots when talking about skykids? regardless of personal opinion or headcanon, it's making certain groups uncomfortable and i think that takes priority

[grim python]

I’ve burned fried eggs before am I not human now /j

[sharp lichen]

There are some here that have far worse culinary crimes, || 🥒 ||

[untold notch]

perhaps I could've worded this better? it's more so something that distinguishes humans from other animals, I think

[gleaming fog]

The ability to see the world as it is not, and move towards making the world that way

(Basically the ability to create memes)

[untold notch]

even so this is a super philosophical discussion and there's no objective answer

[rigid mural]

humans have a sense of right and wrong, most animals do not, and computers dont have a morality to start with.

[frigid tinsel]

the devs call literally everything light because almost everything is light. spiirts are beings of light. skykids' cosmetics are made of light, which you can see cos they don't cast a shadow and disappear when extinguished. their bodies, their "shells," do cast a shadow, so they are not made of light.

the stuff we collect from candles is only ever called "wax" by the community. in-game they're referred to as pieces of light. why would something that looks like flame be the solid wax that holds the flame. perhaps skykids do use these bits of light to compose their attire, but it is likely not actual wax.

only in stormlock do darkness flakes fall off of extinguished skykids. elsewhere, skykids are merely extinguished, nothing comes off of them. the bits are not from the skykids themselves but rather darkness that sticks to them, trying to get their light. it's why they petrify when completely out of light. you can see the same flakes fall of petrified spirits and krill as well as linger on hostile crabs. it isn't wax from their bodies, it is tangible darkness.

I agree that spirits do craft the skykids' cosmetics, but they do so out of light, not wax. again, skykids' cosmetics are made of light. the devs call everything light cos it literally is light

[sharp lichen]

No morality in the present. They could in theory

[rigid mural]

thats science fiction, a machine's "morality" would depend on its creator, so it's not something inherent to it

[sharp lichen]

Does a Skykid’s morality depend on the Light/Megabird?

[rigid mural]

up to your headcanons

In my headcanons, Skykids are their own person, the light is a personification/manifestation of their sense of community, belonging and the links they weaved with friends and family

[slate saffron]

Isn't their morality more dependent on their experiences in the sky world? Kinda like how our morality is dependent on our experiences in the real world?

[gleaming fog]

Kk, if it’s all the same thing, why are they different in how they act and look?

We have light orbs that fly and can purify water, light that we collect from candles, light blooms that act like plants, light that we collect to charge our cape, winged light that both charges our cape and gives us normal light (already a two in one), and our bodies are made of light, and of course the light of the sun/sky/fire. Each of these is unique and distinctly different from the other. It’s like that one movie where the guy changed the words for “yes” and “no” to be the same word. Just kinda confusing if it’s all just “light”.

As for the cosmetics, I believe they disappear because with our light extinguished, we’re using the WL’s energy to keep us going. We should be dead, but the WL kids’ organ and that organs’ memories of what it’s host looks like are being imprinted on us

Tl;dr: technically we agree, we’re just saying it in different ways lol

[untold notch]

I kinda wrote a poem about this but yeah I think at the end of the day we are our past experiences

[sharp lichen]

I think the “Are Skykids machines” answer will be the same as the “Are humans machines”

[gleaming fog]

Could it be nature and nurture? They know to move near light creatures and the light inherently, but those values strengthen/change through experience yes?

[sharp lichen]

Not inherently, the Light guides Skykids. Well, it depends on what you think about

[slate saffron]

Well, that also depends on how redundant you want to make the word "machine" mean

[frigid tinsel]

yes, skykids are not human, but I am not implying that by them being not human that they are not valuable. they are capable of human sense of emotion and morality, perhaps even a childlike one, but, again, that doesn't make them less valuable.

however, that is not a belief everyone carries. in fact, some do dehumanize other groups of people for "lacking" qualities that they consider human then use that to devalue and marginalize those people. "robot" carries that strong connotation of not being human, thus disposable or not worth treating properly. as an autistic person who doesn't express emotions in the way neurotypicals do (the flat affect), I myself have been dehumanized to the robot analogy and treated poorly as a result of that assumption. rather, I do feel emotions quite strong, they just are not immediately obvious.

skykids do have emotions, but again that isn't immediately obvious because they do not express them nor have facial expressions. since we gain "emotes" – which are called "expressions" in-game – from spirits, it's often assumed that skykids don't have those corresponding emotions until they learn them from spirit memories. except skykids do express emotions without input from the spirits (Elder temple cutscenes, some season quests), so clearly they have emotions, just do not know the means of expression to learn them. which is an actual thing that happens growing up due to socialization.

by calling skykids robots, you are invoking that ableist take that imply that they are as unfeeling as robots for not immediately expression their emotions, which does harm to autistic and other neurodiverse people who express or don't express their emotions in an atypical way.

and even then, lacking some emotions isn't worth dehumanizing and devaluing someone's existence, but not everyone gets that

[sharp lichen]

I’m neurodivergent myself (big surprise), and although I’ve never been called a robot, I can see how it can be used to dehumanize people and Skykids. Although I think “machine” and “golem” have a much more positive implication

[low spindle]

Sky kids are shown to have emotions though

For example: we see sky kids being scared/intimidated by forest elder

[gleaming fog]

I feel like that’s actually a big theme,

One could argue that skykids are legitimately unable to express emotions to eachother until they share their flames. Hi-fiving, hugging, and eventually talking all take an unusually large amount of candles exchanged between eachother to do something that most people irl can do for free.

Maybe that’s part of the design choice? To add more appreciation towards being able to communicate once it actually happens.

[rigid mural]

they run after the flame in the valley cutscene !

[sharp lichen]

They also do emotions by themselves, even when we haven’t learn them as players, in some Performance and Dreams cutscenes

[low spindle]

If you say sky kids dont have emotions, your wrong.

Only because i think its super cute the cutscenes they have with the elders, and the emotions we feel from that

[snow cosmos]

maybe it takes no energy for you to hug your family or talk to friends, but if my energy was measured in candles, you can bet this conversation would take more than three. does not being able to express my emotions mean i don't have them? and does that make me less human? that's the narrative that's being expressed when people argue that skykids don't have emotions until they're taught how to show them

[sharp lichen]

But you can emote to people you haven’t lit

[frigid tinsel]

fun fact: you can't do friend emotes if your friend is extinguished

[gleaming fog]

Again, wax/light is flesh. I sincerely hope you’re not harvesting flesh to appease the blood god before making friends XD

Jokes aside, my social battery is pretty small as well 😭

[sharp lichen]

So candle running is just flesh delivery? Another reason to not do it haha

[low spindle]

Is it canon that wax/light is flesh

[gleaming fog]

Do we have a place to find dev-spoken canon stuff?

(I’ve been using Y’all for that lol)

[frigid tinsel]

eh

[eternal totem]

Off to the alleyways with ye, gotta dig yerself lad /j

[sharp lichen]

Check pins I guess but some ||LIKE THE 2 PRONGED GLASS MENACE|| are debatable in canonicity

[frigid tinsel]

devs haven't really spoken about skykid anatomy and physiology at all, so what is known is based on gathered evidence and constructing theories from them. I doubt skykids are actually made of wax since" wax" is purely a community term for "pieces of light" and the devs are never used it themselves.

[rigid mural]

Yeah, pins is your best bet, especially now that Slink compiled some social media stuff

[gleaming fog]

So many pins

[sharp lichen]

The ||two pronged glass menace|| has haunted me forever, but dm me and I’ll give you an explanation of the terror

[low spindle]

I think skykids are some sort of light, or clay creature made into something real by light (thinking of the eden statues being super stoney)

But i think wax and the light in skykids/ancestors are different

[frigid tinsel]

golem, yea since golems in fiction do tend to have emotions – they're just funky living things made of inanimate materials. machine, no as that falls under the same problem as robot does.

[snow cosmos]

i like the word homunculus best - essentially a small statue made human. doesn't have the unfeeling connotations of robot or machine, or the made-to-serve history of the golem (although arguably skykids are made for a purpose)

[sharp lichen]

I simply use “child”

[low spindle]

I like that.

Because its clear the sky kids are humanoids with feelings and emotions

[white junco]

they’re silly

[frigid tinsel]

because ✨ magic ✨
seriously, Sky operates with a light-based magic system. I do not know the particulars of why different kinds of light act a certain way, but in game and externally these different kinds of light are referred to as light. colored light, winged light, orbs of light, roasted light, bits of light. Sky is a (science) fantasy game, so you're going to have to suspend your disbelief in order to comprehend the magic in it. there are different forms of light that light can take. why? idk. they just do (likewise there are different forms of light irl but for everyone's sake lets back off quantum mechanics).

I do think you can separate these lights by neutral light and magic light. neutral light would be sunlight and bits of light emitted by fire and candles, maybe even light orbs, which yea can be used to project cosmetics. magic light would be colored light and winged light, which are capable of spells and enchantments.

I agree that the reason skykids keep functioning even when extinguished is cos they have winged light. they only die and petrify in stormlock when out of winged light, having long since been extinguished. that is when skids' capes disappear. I think the capes are made out of winged light and can be shaped, but skids project neutral light to change the capes' color.

yea we are kinda saying the same thing but little distinctions, idk I'm just putting my word in at this point cos our interpretations are along the same train of thought but vary.

idk if a skykid without winged light but had their flame alight would die instantly once extinguished, but I do think they'd be more vulnerable to darkness

[gleaming fog]

You’re good, gonna have to agree to disagree, i love taking systems that seem abstract and finding rules that match them as much as possible.

Again, these could totally all be forms of light, but each seems so different, and light could just be an umbrella term for all of it. Not a bad thing, just a lot of extra characters to type. (Also what is roasted light? Not insulting, just genuinely curious because it sounds cool)

Also for the storm locked kids, I think they’re actually made of something tougher than our sky kids. While we were made recently, those sky kids have been chewed on by the storm since the storm started, we disappear when we die, so they must have some special duct tape to keep themselves whole

[frigid tinsel]

in the Days of Sunlight news post, the marshmallows are referred to as "roasted light."

[pastel brook]

[frigid tinsel]

here (it looks weird cos I have dark mode browser extension)

[gleaming fog]

My mind is blown.

First, where do we get this roasted light glob from? I think it might be from our own bodies. That explains why we don’t get any light.

More importantly though, if you burn the marshmallow, it lights on fire, can we burn light!? If we’re made of light, can we burn too with a high enough fire!?

[keen shore]

I would ASSUME a tangible purple light projection but that raises even more questions.

my second guess is like, everything organic is light, and since most food is made out of once living things to some capacity (although, how much it’s processed depends, for example flour) it’s light but in a different form

[eternal totem]

Dunno if it sent, but again I personally don't think we will "burn" from light/flame, it can be eventually harmful if the dark/light balance is thrown off, but not in the literal sense

[earnest briar]

I see the conversation about Sky Kids being or not being considered ‘human’ due to their ability to feel emotions or not and I raise you my belief that Sky Kids naturally feel emotions, we just don’t know how to express them as actions until the Ancestors teach us. We’re Children of the Light. Children feel emotions, but they don’t know how to express and describe those emotions until they’re taught.

[frigid tinsel]

or even just mimicry. children mimic people all the time, it is one way in which they learn to express their emotions. I think skykid are mimicking the actions they see in spirit memories

[snow cosmos]

"this is how i see people act when they experience this emotion. i'll start acting this way when i'm experiencing this emotion too"

as a low-empathy and flat-affected autistic person i frequently take note of how my friends express their feelings, both so i can recognize them going forward and so i can express my feelings in ways they'll understand

[keen shore]

I AGREE WITH YOU it’s like, how do we get set on fire any more than we already are

[frigid tinsel]

re: petriifed skykids in stormlock – I believe that there's only 63 of them all in the same spots cos of gameplay mechanics. in-universe they are just skykids, the ones who went into Eden and died there before you. you the player also petrify when you die, there's a whole cutscene. – in fact, if you're in stormlock with other players and they die before you, you can find their statues. you just can't give them winged light, thouhg I like to think in-universe if a friend died before another, that skykid could give their friendwinged light to ascend them.

I believe that's what we do when we give winged light away – to ascend petrified skykids trapped in darkness. the skykids we find in stormlock died before you. when you die and petrify, another skykid has to give you winged light to ascend you. we just don't see that in game cos it'd be pretty boring to sit there for a while hoping some other player finds your statue to revive you and allow you to continue playing the game.

[slim plume]

I'm not really sure about this, but I think your petrification statue either disintegrates or disappears after some time when other players are with you in Stormlock. It's probably more of a game mechanic to not have the place be overloaded (as it already is with all the falling rocks and assets, probably) for too long.

I only know this from watching a person crawl to the place where I died (barely at the last skid you see before the red diamond) and my statue wasn't there. Might just be a bug too, dunno though

[frigid tinsel]

I do think that once petrified skykids are ascended, their bodies may crumble. in-universe, the number and position of petrified skykids vary time after time as dead skykids are ascended and other skykids go to Eden and die.

[slim plume]

Maybe during the time we're in Limbo and/or falling towards Limbo's ground, another sky kid helps us (hypothetically) and that's how we're able to "ascend ourselves" in a sense

I mean, we don't know how long our sky kid falls. It's around a minute for us looking at our screens, but days could have passed for our sky kids while they were in that freefall. I think it's plausible that a sky kid would have found us if it did take that long

[snow cosmos]

i choose to believe that the bug that gets you stuck post-death and pre-limbo is an in-game example of waiting for someone to find your statue, and also an example of why that's not included as a game mechanic

[slim plume]

That's the one where everything's white/ashy grey and it's all framed in a black circle, right?

Just wanted to check if I was still in touch with bugs

[snow cosmos]

i think i have screenshots from the last time it happened to me but it just looks like nothing lmao
edit: evidently i deleted them when clearing out my photos :/

[frigid tinsel]

This is from October (haven’t been able for record death post-Shattering update) but the end result is still the same. Dying in Eden stormlock

[eternal totem]

Yeah, they'd probably find resting in an oversized lamp the best rest of their lives

[snow cosmos]

Strega is either writing a comprehensive history of alternate timeline Europe or a vitriolic takedown of skybot

[earnest briar]

I would like to share my hc of Angler befriending the juvenile Krill that shows up in their memory through marshmallows and clam strips.

[compact shale]

AWWWWWWWWW

I swear there's so much art inspiration but so little time

[tepid veldt]

indeed, i have around 5 projects about silly headcannons that i want to do but no time to do said projects

[eternal totem]

Strega it's almost been an hour, make sure to make a back up

[slate saffron]

(Sorry about the delay, I just saw your message)

1. Although entirely possible that the mega-manta found in sanctuary is the only true adult, to me that feels a bit shallow. I mean, the season of sanctuary went out of it's way to show all the amazing phases of life for the mantas and to point at the largest known one& say "this is when they become an adult" feels a bit like a disservice to the beauty of the species as a whole. Beyond that it seems impractical from a evolutionary standpoint, as if that is truly the only reprodictively mature stage of the species then not only would that mean the mantas have an absurdly long growth cycle, but that would also make it a near certainty that the mantas will go extinct, with their only being one member of the species left that (we know of) can have kids. To me atleast, it seems more likely that the quadwing mantas found throughout the game are their mature stage, with it having many more stages that unfortunately most will never reach due to all the krills & dangers & whatnot

2. I have to disagree with that as skeletons found in graveyard don't really seem to match the general shape/proportion of the mega-manta in game, as they more closely resemble appear turtle skeletons than anything else. If I remember correctly there were a few theories floating around that proposed these guys were Whurtles, an extinct species of giant light creatures. Although I can't speak much about the topic besides that . However, the idea that Ancestors/Light Creatures decay into dust is certainly an interesting one-

[slate saffron]

-that I haven't heard often. To my understanding the only time a body is only left behind is when a light creature dies an unnatural death (which might not necessarily be the case due to it being from concept art), & even then it's assumed that their remains would decay naturally as they would in real life, so while the idea that the Golden Wasteland's sand is all actually the dust from the broken corpses of trillions of ancestors & light creatures alike is rather macabre, it feels a bit unrealistic.

3. I don't think that's the case for those examples at all! In the abyss, it feels less like the krill were drawn to the sound of the "alarm" as sound doesnt really travel well in water , but rather to the disturbance made by the door opening which drawed them over to investigate. A similar idea could be argued for the one in GW, as the sound of the gate opening could have been enough to peak their interest & draw them over and because in story that is a more dramatic experience

4. Having races doesn't necessarily imply the ability to make the thing you're racing on, but rather the ability tame & ride them. Although even that might not be the case, as atleast according the concept art the races were made in honor of the king's triumph over the light creature attack, so it could be something more similar to that

[timber crown]

Do the elders have names?

[earnest briar]

in the concept art they do! They didn’t make it to the game though.

[timber crown]

Oh

[earnest briar]

Mostly we just refer to them as ‘Realm they are the Elder of’ Elder, or the original names for the realms based on different times of the day.

[frigid tinsel]

The Elders (plus the king & prince) have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such:
Isle – Daleth (ד)
Prairie – Ayin (ע)
Forest – Teth (ט)
Valley – Samekh (ס) (they share a name, though the fandom refers to as Sah and as Mekh)
Wasteland – Tsadi (צ)
Vault – Lamed (ל)
Prince – Alef (א)
King – Resh (ר)

Though it seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:
Isle – Dawn
Prairie – Day
Forest – Rain
Valley – Sunset
Wasteland – Dusk
Vault – Night

[earnest briar]

I would like realms based on snow, clouds, and thunderstorms since rain gets a time of day for itself. Although I know that wouldn’t be feasible with the whole thing going on with the concept of life.

[rigid mural]

Eden could be the thunderstorm realm, its concept name even is "Storm"

[frigid tinsel]

Though Ktjn has said that their canon names are just [Realm] Elder. They clarified that the time of day names is an internal thing but, from what I understand, not necessarily true in-universe. I use them anyways.

[slate saffron]

Resh, watching their title change from "Elder of Eden" to "Elder of Storm" as the ground starts to shake violently & the sun dissappears from view:

[timber crown]

Would Eden be more like eclipse since darkness is covering the light

[rigid mural]

I think you can see the moon in Eden ! let me see if I can fish a screenshot

[timber crown]

I don't mean literally. I mean metaphorically the light is being blotted out by darkness

[frigid tinsel]

mate, that's a cool idea

[timber crown]

Thanks

[slate saffron]

Elder of eclipse has a nice ring to it

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think the Elders got their time of day names based on the time of day their stars fell. Dawn Elder fell at dawn, Night Elder fell at night, Rain Elder fell during a rainstorm that blotted out the sky. an Eclipse Elder could've fallen during an eclipse.

[timber crown]

That actually sounds like a super cool idea

[rigid mural]

i only got that but in stormlock you see the mood

[timber crown]

Pretty sure that is where you ascend to

[eternal totem]

Haha horrors beyond my comprehension

[frigid tinsel]

Moon in stormlock

[untold notch]

omg hi moon its so funny running into you here

[timber crown]

Nice, also, those rocks seem so chaotic till you screenshot and see it's big lines of them. Also, ever notice the red spotlights in the eye of Eden saying where rocks are about to hit. I could just be dumb though

[frigid tinsel]

nah, you're not dumb

[timber crown]

Honestly, you're the first to refute that statement.

[slate saffron]

[graceful oasis]

Crawls in from the depths
What is new lore.

[keen briar]

is there a doc or something where I can read up on lore and theories?

[clear depot]

Yeah I was gonna ask if anyone had a good summary of the lore or somthing like that

[nova geyser]

Things that will probably keep me up at night: why do the whales have split lower jaws like snakes are they eating things bigger than their mouths what the heck are they eating

[torn eagle]

You... Why .. I...

[floral grove]

Maybe they feed on stuff like the Leviathan (Gerald/ine) from Abyss

Actually nevermind that, I don't think a whale would eat such a thing without the help of other whales. They don't travel in flocks (schools?) like the mantas and birds so it's not like they could have had hunted big animals in groups

[torn eagle]

Pods

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[eternal totem]

I don't think so personally, probably to be able to suck in large schools of manta or birds— or the whales had a different unknown food source, but not any greater than them

[slim plume]

True. The biggest known animals irl often eat the smallest prey. Irl whales in particular like small fish or shrimp. A particular type of whale (whose name I probably can't say because its a bit sus) for some reason hunt giant squids but we don't talk about that

Adding onto that, even if some of those big species do eat prey that's either their size, a bit smaller, or a bit bigger, they usually only pick and choose what to eat from the carcass before leaving it. And even then, they usually have other sources of prey that are much smaller

I think you can tell that I was the child who was obsessed with nature documentaries (I still am!)

[torn eagle]

Blue whales eat krill

[rigid mural]

I think I recall they were inspired by Dunkleosteus in concept art !

[lean kayak]

What the honk

[slim plume]

AQUATIC NO-TEEFERS BEANS I LOVED THEM

[earnest briar]

Beeg lad

[slim plume]

You know what, I think that's more than enough for a sky whale to snap a krill in half

[earnest briar]

Mmm Krill go cronch

[rigid mural]

We did have a quadwing helping us during the Season of Flight, a whale could help us fend krills away if it benefitted their kind...

[slim plume]

The whale at the end of Eden decimated that one fallen building with ease by just ramming into it, so perhaps...

[earnest briar]

Wait hold on! This is just evidence to support my headcanon that the whale we see in the clouds while flying from Valley to Wasteland is keeping any Krills that try to escape Wasteland from getting into the other areas.

[rigid mural]

Protector whale awww 💙

[earnest briar]

The whale is also why the Krill off in the distance from the Forgotten Ark hasn’t gotten any closer despite easily being able to. It protects the Enchantment Spirits from the Krill. If the Krill ever starts getting close to the Ark, the Guide will call the whale, and it’ll come and drive the Krill back.

[torn eagle]

Imma head canon yoink this thank you very much

[earnest briar]

My hc is that all Guides are proficient in communicating with at least one kind of Light Creature. For example Assembly knows Jellyfish and a bit of Manta, which is why there are so many for Sunlight. They called them there. It’s also why there are jellyfish and a Manta in the Treehouse area.

[rigid mural]

Krill horn used to call the whale

[slim plume]

No but now that I think about it that krill horn sounds like a low, deep whale call. Maybe to the whales it means "Help!"

[slim plume]

Also it sounds like an irl whale call. A low, deep rumble before raising it to a high pitch

[uncut pond]

What

Do you mean like, it used to be able to call a whale in-game or do you mean it was used by ancestors to call whales I'd blame my bad english for not understanding what you said but I'm really just dumb

[slim plume]

I think Vela meant that it could have been used by Ancestors to call whales, no worries

[keen shore]

dunkleosteus sounds like a rare insult you’d call someone if you wanted to say they were an idiot

[slim plume]

Though imagine if it still did. It'd be overpowered, but imagine using the horn and it calling a newborn whale that can act as a pet or that we can use as a steed for a short period of time

[earnest briar]

Where exactly did you hear this? I doubt the veracity of your source.

[slim plume]

Source?

[earnest briar]

Yes, tell us your source. Tell us where you heard this. Was it official by TGC? Or are you making this up?

[wraith acorn]

!betaspoilers - see the guidelines below so please don't mention beta content outside beta channels, but it's not even in beta so it's just a theory made up

[pastel brook]

Content from the beta version of the game is considered a spoiler and shouldn’t be posted in this channel. Content that hasn't been announced or released in the live version should stay in beta-related channels like #beta-discussion and #beta-screenshots-videos. Thank you!

[wraith acorn]

Even in beta anything can be nerfed, so it's a cute story and a fanmade video edit

[keen shore]

Leaked content isn’t allowed here, please don’t mention it <@&600489743716712458> [I think this would be the right time to ping you guys? Sorry if I’m wrong]

[earnest briar]

Marius, please leave. Your information is fictional and entirely inaccurate to the lore, not to mention you are wasting our time.

[slim plume]

Girl, no. Get out 🚪

[wraith acorn]

Self promotion is against #rules

Then please delete before mods do

[earnest briar]

Those are beta spoilers! You just broke the rule twice.

I am really not liking your attitude Marius. Watch your words before a mod comes along.

[wraith acorn]

Dear, mods have logs for deleted messages

[earnest briar]

Get out now.

[slim plume]

Stop typing worstie, don't waste your time

[crimson grove]

Let's get back on topic now. Thank you for the ping

[earnest briar]

Ughhh, people like them are awful. Acting high and mighty like they're above the rules. Not to mention their attitude.

[keen shore]

Thank you! Just to clarify, this would be the right situation for a ping, right? Am kind of foggy on when it’s best to do that vs going to #contact-the-mods

[earnest briar]

I'm all for sharing interpretations, but claiming something as fact and canon when it's not and then breaking the rules twice for fun grinds my gears.

[slim plume]

Honestly. Anyhow, now I wanna draw whale calfs because of the previous topic but I'm currently writing in a google doc and ughhhh curse my multitasking brain

[earnest briar]

beby whale?

[rigid mural]

Dear bird what happened here.

[slim plume]

A stuck-up person sharing beta content and claiming something was canon without providing a source, that's what

[earnest briar]

Someone claimed something was canon without giving us a source, self-promoted themselves on Instagram, then broke the rules about beta spoilers twice.

[rigid mural]

Average lore chat moment

[crimson grove]

#contact-the-mods works for all situations. But when we appear inactive (eg. you already sent a report, but the problem persists), it's disruptive enough for regular discussions to continue, or an emergency situation, pings are okay and appreciated

Now there is no point in continuing to drag them or what happened, we'll deal with it from here. Time for some lore

[rigid mural]

Oh that clarification was needed on my end too, thank you !

[wraith acorn]

To keep on topic, my theory for reason Eden eruption and Shattering season now is just time - I think. It didn't seem stable from day one so in my pov it didn't need specific trigger

[earnest briar]

Anyways Vela you remember my headcanon I talked about earlier in the day about how the whale you see during the flight between Valley and Wasteland guards the way out and protects the Enchantment crew? Well I have another part of that I'd like to share!

[slim plume]

I have come to a compromise with myself and decided that I'm gonna make a new skid OC that's a hermit who lives in Hidden Forest that raises beby whales

[rigid mural]

I think creatures in Sky are drawn by both sound and light, Prairie village and Flight show the former with bells and chimes, and in the crab and jello memories they mention being drawn by light.

Also, geographer books...

[earnest briar]

So you guys remember Flight's 4th quest where we opened up the part of the Wind Paths with a connection to the Ark? And how we saw a Krill's spotlight before everything started going south?

[rigid mural]

Oooh you think the whale stopped it ?

[uncut pond]

I think that in these drawing what's happening is that either the light/"stars" turn into light creatures due to the power of the diamond... OR... the diamond maybe causes light pollution, causing stars to disappear and thus light creatures get drawn to the only source of light they see

[rigid mural]

Ooohh I like your ideas

[earnest briar]

Yep! Crab Walker spotted the tunnel opening up, Muralist spotted the Krill coming closer, and the Guide sounded the alarm to call the whale because they knew what the tunnel meant and realized that if the Krill got through, more could follow it. And if that happened the Krills could easily spread out across all the other realms.

[uncut pond]

I just saw that book and went like "huh, the stars disappear as Eden grows stronger and shinier, kinda like how street lights obscure the heavens above, hiding the stars"

[earnest briar]

The whale couldn't completely stop the Krill from spreading Darkness to the Wind Paths, but it got there in time to prevent it from getting through and wreaking havoc.

[rigid mural]

Pour one out for the Wasteland whale, not all heroes wear capes 🍾
This is such a cute and cool headcanon !

[rigid mural]

The second Performance quest has a storyline about light creatures born from a star, maybe the last stars that fell became light creatures that got drawn to the light atop the mountain !

[uncut pond]

Interesting idea!

[earnest briar]

I like to think Sky Kid cores are sort of like baby stars, which is why we emit light. We're all little stars shining bright in our own way.

[rigid mural]

Awwww ! I like to headcanon they're lanterns carrying starlight ! I should draw a more descriptive pic but have this in the meantime. They're like little vessels that gather and bring light back into the skies :]

[untold notch]

lantern kids my love