beta-discussion

[lusty light]

I wouldn’t want a new player going into the cave of prophecy experienced players already dislike the challenge as is

[stark sundial]

a moths will eventually get to those places with qg's, do their tasks and then it will need to cr for hours to get every heart there, when millions of players for weeks and months got those hearts free, I don't know I feel more concerned that there were no explanation at all and it was not announced tho

[autumn bane]

we are pratically sure about A, B, C, D :
For the 1st tier you get : y = 75x
For the 2nd tier you get : y = 150x
For the 3rd tier you get : y = 300x
For the 4th tier you get : y = 400x (or 600)
This is our researches about the BETA VERSION v0.12.0 (159323). THIS IS NOT FINAL CONTENT

[tiny nacelle]

oh nonono if i was a new player doing the prophecy trials id immedietly quit , imagine how confused they would be

[gilded parrot]

I got to tri all the trials!

[radiant drum]

What do you consider a new player anyway. A month in I would still consider myself a new player and I had traveled all the land

[lusty light]

Being completely incompetent instead of vaguely incompetent

[lean ivy]

Im-

[radiant drum]

Be nice to the moths

[tiny umbra]

I’ve tried dragging my newly moth brother into prophecy but they kept letting go of my hand at the barrier, they weren’t even touching the screen, There’s definitely a barrier

[lusty light]

I was an incompetent moth as well

[hollow cloak]

Eh, I guess that new moths would struggle in even Prophecy and Ark too, since the distances you need to travel are quite far if you don't have wings (and recharge points are relatively rare compared to the normal realms)

Still. Moth candle ignorance is bliss. :pFIRE:

edit: one of these days my emotes will work. i just need to keep trying

[autumn bane]

i was a chibi table moth and the free hearts were not innocent in all that hahaha

[lusty light]

Moth me in wasteland:

I got very lost and quit for a few days

[slim kayak]

soap imagine a moth going through sanctuary or ark when they were being tested in beta. no recharge points anywhere

[autumn bane]

idk if they turned the lights on someday because i remember seeing nothing back then
sorry gotta learn to turn off pings

[radiant drum]

Moth me in wasteland:

[crude turret]

When I was a moth I nyoomed through wasteland the best I could and never came back

[lusty light]

We get it you had friends Mirian 🙄

I don’t remember wasteland being that much darker when I started playing

[radiant drum]

You are just too brave

[tiny umbra]

I wonder why it seems like every moth is just so- hyper friendly I was guiding my friend through voice when she downloaded and she saw someone unlit and immediately gave them a candle I was like “why” and she didn’t know what it did jshdhsh

[elder musk]

These trials are usually discovered after first playthrough is completed. After that, players would usually stick around to befriend other players and unlock constellations, so they will be focused on where else they can find hearts (esp. because friending and getting hearts may prove difficult in the beginning). I am basing this on my own experience. I just do not think it’s right that after completing a challenge the reward requires additional gameplay time investment, which seems to go against what this new Daily Light system intends to bring (reduce “grindiness”). Anyhow, I submitted my thoughts to Live feedback.

[lusty light]

See! Moths are just completely confused until they are only Vaguely confused

[hollow cloak]

You can buy the hearts at any time, though. They aren't going anywhere. Just buy them when you've got enough saved

Edit: wait, I don't like this change either. Why am I arguing for it :pFIRE:

[tiny umbra]

I was an enchantment moth who didn’t notice they were getting hearts from those weekly quests cause oooh lights pretty

[autumn bane]

maybe strategy games ruined me and i saved all my currency bc i didnt know how easy/hard it was to farm it

[wind panther]

Maybe they already said it earlier but in beta, when's the next ts coming?

[autumn bane]

!travelingspirit is it?

[tender oasis]

!ts

[gilded parrot]

The next Traveling Spirit is scheduled to arrive on December 24 at 00:00 Pacific Time (UTC -8:00)
You can read how Traveling Spirits work here: http://bit.ly/TravelingSpirits

[radiant drum]

!tsbeta to match

[gilded parrot]

Traveling spirits in beta have different scheduling than in live, and have no bearing on future traveling spirits.
Check #news for announcements and save up your candles!

[lusty light]

Idk, I just feel like this change is not really that big of a deal and they probably did it for balancing purposes, like eventually there’s gonna 40 free hearts and the devs really just want you to make friends instead of relying on quests

[tiny umbra]

I come from other open world games and I was more interested in exploring cause I knew in these types of games there’s ways to get more later on
Which didn’t stop me from immediately trying to complete all the constellations in order from isle to vault but still

[oak berry]

tbh same i was just enthralled by grass

[lusty light]

The grass is very pretty

I saw this video of windy grass in some mountainous area and it looked exactly like sky

[stark sundial]

yeah they added 6 free hearts like every 3 months and now 4, now they change those hearts to cost candles and they wanna add capes that cost 729 hearts in total iirc

[tough quest]

Is the new system designed to change overall daily candle cap? Announcement seemed like it wasnt, but if they're testing different rates/curves, mathematically it seems possible to try different curves but always have the same daily maximum. Just a bit confused about the intent

[stark knot]

Total per day will be the same

[lusty light]

A new player definitely would not be worrying about those capes

[tiny umbra]

I feel like if they only did it because moths kept rushing through the quests and getting those hearts, what if they had a staggered release outside of season too, like if you did the red light quest you’d get a notif saying you had to wait a week until the next one, instead of having to pay for the hearts with candles, they’re still supposed to be rewards.

[stark sundial]

you're making assumptions about new players thoughts when it was recommended by Mirian to not leave feedback about it with that in mind... I can understand if it's your opinion, but I completely disagree in that case cause we don't know where we draw the line between new players and players that want to start completing everything?

[oak berry]

tbh i didnt worry about costmetics alot as a moth, by the time my friends had yellow and red cape i still wore the default

[tiny umbra]

They could also make them like, one ac like the elder hairs

[lusty light]

If someone has just started playing less than a month ago, it is entirely unrealistic to think that you’ll be able to get 700+ hearts any time soon, when the amount of hearts you can get from these quests is less than 1% of the total, and you still need around 600 hearts to finish the rest of the constellations

And the devs said that it should be taking you months to finish all constellations

[coarse cape]

yea, especially with quests aren't that easy
looking at you, Prophecy

[crude turret]

I wonder if i'll ever get 50 hearts on my count

[dull brook]

I usually don't get a lotta hearts at once in beta or live, but I don't mind too much.

[stark sundial]

and now it will take like double the time to do everything in the base game to new player, when a player come to know everything that it needs to do in the future to complete the game I think is better to have a good start with cosmetics they want, then they can start doing cr for like elders hairs and everything, tbh I would have quit as a moth knowing that this game would take me more than a year to complete everything in just the base game when theres seasonal cosmetics too coming and going

[lusty light]

You don’t need those new capes to get the ultimate rewards

[tiny umbra]

Are cosmetics even advertised on the App Store ?

[craggy karma]

Forest is where i got stuck the longest as a moth
Because at that time, you need to collect at least 2 spirits to go into the temple
Also Forest is a literal maze, disguised as a peaceful place

[coarse cape]

speaking of upgraded capes, I don't think the "It doesn't count towards constellation completion" messege is clear enough, at least in-game.

[craggy karma]

Yeah there are no indication that you don't need the second wing buffs onward to complete the constellation

+Also some of the infos in the helpshift are really outdated

[stark sundial]

I know but it depends in the view of the players, every player comes with a different view of the game and their items, everyone get different experience and they wants items in a different way, this just adds more to that basic goal of completing the base game 100% that a lot of player do have when first seeing a game and also blocking every way that old players had for free hearts also makes then feels worst towards how the base game content works

[crude turret]

but I don't know if they can put a message on it saying it because... the ultimates are kind of an easter egg?

[little hound]

GOOD MORNING BETAFOLKS!

[coarse cape]

"this item does not count towards constellation completion"
I had an idea that those upgraded capes can only be accessible after completing constellation, but eeh...?

[lusty light]

I get how you feel but it’s just the fact that the capes are not meant to be a goal for new players the devs have added it as a long term goal for people who have already played for a while and completed everything, and have excess hearts or something similar

[crude turret]

imagine you have to spam buy swing spells with hearts because you have way too much

[desert token]

having the capes be accessed after completing the constellation would give them more weight than the elder hairs themselves given their costs

[spark lance]

I did that

[elder musk]

Respectfully, they would. Days of Feast coming, announcement with in game currency prices just gone up. One item costs 15 hearts: could be almost fully acquired from completing those quests/trials in the 3 realms. It’s Christmas after all so who wouldn’t want that?

[gilded parrot]

we have left many trials behind us

[crude turret]

oh you bet I did

[lusty light]

I’m referring to the tier two capes, not holiday items

[vapid stag]

I wonder if a good way to set the apart from the rest of the constellation would be to make them only purchasable in eden? Like the hairs but not needing the whole constellation

[lusty light]

15 hearts is a large gap between 700+ hearts total, and they aren’t limited

[wind panther]

people who already got them and doesn't even have 50% of the constellation:

[elder musk]

Oh ok 👍🏻

[hollow cloak]

Don't forget that you can't even see how much things cost until you unlock enough nodes.

I don't think new players are going to be worried about the ascended capes, they'll be considering the 3-heart hairstyles and such.

It's good to consider other players, but keep in mind that a new player's experience WILL be different than your perspective looking back. It's impossible to truly predict what a moth will think - while it's nice to consider their views, there's no need to stress over other people when they might not even experience the problem you're thinking about.

[lusty light]

Yeah and with ascended candle costs being like 12 to reach those nodes it would take them a good amount of weeks to even see them

And not everyone knows about or has access to the wiki

[hollow cloak]

That's also assuming the player makes a beeline for the ascended node, when in actuality, they'll probably be buying things here and there from the spirits, upgrading emotes, buying instruments, etc.

[lusty light]

A new player getting 4 candles from their first eden run

[muted canopy]

when i first started playing, i was so fixated on finishing the constellations, that i ended up missing out on some GREAT TS and i kick myself for it. the change in prices and candle currency would make me explore more, because i would end up not trying to farm candles with less value.
#[i’ll definitely pick up a dime, but i might leave a penny.]

[desert token]

I think the argument is moreso that tgc are in a way limiting the way to access more hearts - while simultaneously adding items that require a lot of hearts. having spare candles is sometimes more difficult and time consuming than having spare hearts

[empty river]

the first cosmetics new players will see (assuming they dont know about the wiki or have other knowledge beforehand) is the stuff normal spirits are wearing as they progress. I highly doubt they'll be hyperfocused on a cape they dont even know what it looks like yet

[lusty light]

Yeah but you can’t argue that this change harms new players and then give an example as to why that wasn’t even made with new players in mind

[muted canopy]

i am still trying to find lace up sandals that so many of the spirits are wearing. i want them

[craggy karma]

And i thought unlocking white cape is an astounding achievement on its own
Until i got smashed in the face with these new veteran capes

[stark knot]

That emphasizes friending over candling

[desert token]

I don't know, making assumptions on what new players want goes both ways imho. I think having several perspectives is good - that are both permissive and non-permissive of the change

[coarse cape]

omg same, when I was a moth I looked at those sandals once and went "I want those, where can I buy?"

[wind panther]

The sandals? Bro, i still searching the butterfly vase of the isle's rejecting spirit

[vapid briar]

We're not going to release exact numbers, we didn't even do that for the current forging system.

[stark sundial]

I can understand devs intentions with everything in the game, what they want definitely don't get reflected in a pretty good amount of players, I can see that in a lot of different server and communities about the game, my thoughts are that they are not helping a lot if they block ways to get free hearts and adding a extremely high amount of costs to the base game if the argument could be about balancing the hearts earned like seraph said, my point was also always about where to draw the line between a new player and a player that gets to know the cost of everything and what's coming ahead for a basic goal that anyone can have starting a game

[coarse cape]

I think the change is because It's off season now, so It's cost like normal heart?

[hollow cloak]

Ah, okay, good to know.
But we are getting a more detailed explanation of some sort later, when we've tested this more? :stickerHuh:

[craggy karma]

So currently, the candles you got daily in beta is less than live?

[lusty light]

It shouldn’t be

[craggy karma]

Some players reported about 15.5, which is about 4 candles less than what you would get daily in live

[wind panther]

I thought we've got more than live!!! Last time I've farmed with a friend (the first day on beta) I've got like 4 candles in the prairie village (just that zone, no 8player zone), something i would usually get farming the whole prairie map in live (w Sanctuary)

[muted canopy]

starting from scratch on beta was nice- i could pick and choose the cosmetics i wanted and ascend those spirits/unlock the nodes instead of just moving from one side to the other

[craggy karma]

They stated is a bug/miscalculation in the system, no worries

Do the bigger waxes represent the effect of the boost? Or its just visual changes made to be visually easier to spot?

[lusty light]

Yeah it represents the boost

[muted canopy]

does anyone know how the rotating treasure stacks weigh into the new candle currency system?

[lusty light]

Throw away all your current conceptions about candle running

It’s completely different

[craggy karma]

So now, one candle cake won't give you exactly 1/3 candle
Can be more or less

[lusty light]

Yep

[coarse cape]

but the wax drop is the same?

[lusty light]

Yeah but that doesn’t matter if the value of the light itself is different

[craggy karma]

Daily waxes are the same
But again, i still don't know if that accounts for office or orbit waxes

[lusty light]

It all counts

[craggy karma]

Our brains aren't design to handle these kinds of math
Mine is on FIREEEE

[lusty light]

Don’t have to worry about math if there’s no numbers 🧠

[coarse cape]

looks like I should do full cr in both live and beta this saturday for better comparison
I've been slacking even in live lmao

[slow valley]

even the races don't give exactly 1 candle anymore ;w;

[empty river]

its really just faster forging at the start of the run, slower as you collect more

[muted canopy]

okay, so if it all counts, and there are some people who, say.... haven’t found the office yet, the difference in the number of candles the person who knows about the office vs doesn’t is now a bit less. idk how i feel about that

[lusty light]

That’s not how it works

[craggy karma]

So um as more seasons coming, more new areas available, and comes with new waxes to collect
Does the daily candles limit increase?

[hollow cloak]

So basically.
The amount of wax you're picking up doesn't change, but the amount of wax per candle scales as you collect.

[lusty light]

Everyone gets the same amount of candles in the end

[tiny umbra]

Well the office lobby candles are like, 0.05 a candle, plus even if you know about it you can't get in without the right cape, or someone drags you with the right cape.

[craggy karma]

This system reminds me a lot about my old college days
You know when doing math tests, if we got on the wrong mindset, we wouldn't be able to solve the question
We were thinking too linearly, rather than outside the box, and look at the fact
This system is the same
0.3 candle shown in the candle meter for me CAN BE different ftom 0.3 candle shown in YOUR candle meter

[empty river]

if you think in numbers it becomes more complicated ofc 😔

[stoic crow]

if i friended someone using a candle, how many candles would it cost to unlock lvl 2 bearhug?

[craggy karma]

This is how im trying to understand something uberly complicated unfortunately

[lusty light]

It’s better to just play tbh

[hollow cloak]

Yes, because the "unit" of a candle changes as you collect.

If you really want to melt your brain, think of chemistry moles.
1 mole is a different number of amu for every single molecule. But one molecule is always going to be one mole of itself.

I don't think that's going to help anyone, though. :blbsweat:

[lusty light]

They didn’t give us numbers for a reason

[empty river]

^^^ highly agreed. I set up a timer for both live and beta and then compared the results of both runs. It helped me understand it way more than sitting here looking at all the numbers dfgdfgd

[craggy karma]

boom boom
Brain exploded

[stoic crow]

reposting

[muted canopy]

all of them

[craggy karma]

Wait clarify something
Boosts depend on waxes collected or candles forged?

[stark knot]

Depends on if you friended them before or after collecting wax for the day (ie. I don't know either)

[empty river]

it doesnt depend on forging

[wind panther]

hey ahh I'm having a big question about the third seasonal quest, and it's about what do you actually need to do ah? Because it shows me some boats, so i ride them, and those get me to the coliseum aka place before the elder temple. I walk everywhere but i find nothing. I dunno, sowwy

[muted canopy]

i failed chem. twice.

[lusty light]

There’s another set of boats up top that take you to the hermit valley where the quest is

[hollow cloak]

I tested this by not collecting any candles while I ran. The circle meter thing still depleted after a while, so it's not based on whether or not you forge it.
(That means no abusing three-chevron collection rates by leaving your candles untouched).

[lusty light]

Oh wait omg, you’re riding the wrong set of boats, one takes you up near the hermit valley, the other takes you to the coliseum

[muted canopy]

there are two sets of boats on the ground. one of them might have a second set of boats to ride when you reach the top.

[worn forge]

Question
If I only got 15 candles from all maps since new system started yesterday, is that a bug or it’s normal?

[muted canopy]

i hit so many glitches as i was completing quests, or i started in the middle because people were already doing them, that playing them in live will be like i never tested them

[late mountain]

Hmm, I wonder if this system will scale as the realms get bigger and there are more wax locations to find. If it doesn’t then that would put a much stronger fall off on any new wax locations being added actually being worth much more daily candles if that makes sense.

[fiery trail]

Do both players need to unlock level 2 bear hug from spirit to unlock the upgraded bear hug in friendship tree?

I couldn't test. I have no friends in BETA that's very close. XD

[desert token]

only the one offering needs to

[muted canopy]

you unlock it together, just like level 1 friend emotes (by offering a candle to the other person)

[lusty light]

Ah.... beta.... loneliness

[late mountain]

Would help if I wrote system and not season as a typo. Discord is bugged right now on iOS that you can’t edit a message unless your post cool down is up. It’s driving me nuts.

[fiery trail]

I mean do you both need to unlock the Upgraded Bear Hug emote from the spirit? Or is it fine that only one person gets the level 2 emote and then unlock it with a friend who hasn't gotten the level 2 emote yet

[muted canopy]

no- just the person offering to level up

[fiery trail]

Thank you!!

[spark pebble]

What was the time difference?

[empty river]

i did 30 minutes on both! had enough time in both runs to do parts of forest and wasteland

[coarse cape]

I'd add timing to consideration, but yknow how beta is and 8 player door in prairie

[hollow cloak]

Ohh, that's smart. Was there a candle difference? :stickerShiny:

edit: an emote finally worked my joy is inexpressible

IT BROKE

[lusty light]

Discord said no

[empty river]

yea lol i purposefully didnt do the underground cave and the big dark plants. Surprisingly at the end of the temple beta still had like 10 seconds to spare so i got some of the candles at home

live run was roughly 7 candles and beta was 9

[muted canopy]

sanctuary island is gonna get a lot busier

[lusty light]

I feel like sanctuary is super busy already

It’s just Large

[coarse cape]

Vault and Isle tho

deserted

[lusty light]

Well new players in isle can’t connect to others until they reach a certain point

[muted canopy]

i won’t have to go get cake from prophecy anymore

[lusty light]

There’s a lot of ppl you just can’t see them

[tiny umbra]

At least Vault will be empty enough for me to practice my music with the mantas

[muted canopy]

i’ll come find you and clap at appropriate times

[muted canopy]

did you track at 10 and 20 min as well?

[empty river]

no but i did forge at the end of forest. 4 candles in live and 5 in beta

my goal with these tests isnt to do a hardcore analysis, is to simulate the breaks i have between classes and see if the new system is working as advertised. I even put up a stream and relaxed while running might do the same with prairie and valley tomorrow, we'll see

[hybrid shoal]

hayo. can i ask if what does it mean, the soulmate spell?

[slim kayak]

oh, that's a good idea giccix! i might do a comparison between live and beta too, changing which realm i run first to see the system in action and compare. that'll take a while though

[lusty light]

I didn’t time it but when I went to wasteland earlier I left 7 candles richer

And then I did prarie and I got around 5 more

I didn’t even finish prarie bc after I did sanctuary I didn’t feel like it

[toxic spruce]

So i just kinda tried out the new system and it works really well when you only cr for a tiny bit. Usually when I get the seasonals, i cr that area as well, normally i get 3 candles at the end, but today i got 5 (exactly one tier) this only took me 15-20min

[lusty light]

Just as the devs planned

[hollow cloak]

You mean we should be playing for the amount of time we regularly play Sky instead of doing full candle runs to test a feature that's supposed to shorten your dailies?

[royal elbow]

do u really need candles to unlock heart from quests now

[slim kayak]

only if you are doing quests from past seasons. the current season's hearts will be free

[serene goblet]

omg how did ppl get the ultimates to fast this season

[slim kayak]

25 seasonal candles a day makes collecting everything very fast

[royal elbow]

isn't there a ton of seasonal bunches throughout the realms to speed up progression

[fathom river]

too fast too many cosmetics I don't know what to wear. it's all beautiful

[serene goblet]

:0 so that's why

the ultimates took a long time to get in both sanctuary and prophecy

[fading wigeon]

So with this new system you get the same amount of candles quicker than if you go until the end of the realm? You can get more candles then if you complete the realm? 🤔

[fathom river]

you get them quicker at the beginning. making your short time online worthwhile.

[mighty charm]

Oh my god TGC has done again i love the new candle forging system....
All my friends are ALWAYS candle running when i warp to them(and rarely do quest with me... they even solo quests)... i had no fun and just meet new players and play with them** every day...**
But i am now half concerned that my friends will get more strict about candle running... just a half concerned.

[gusty dust]

All I’m planning is to have an ridiculous candles amounts then i can not worry about candle running for a while like a long long time

[glass tiger]

Even with the new system of cr...
I'm still lazy lmao :,)

[lilac epoch]

No you don't get more candles the farther you go into the realm. The number of candles a player can get from a full candle run did not change. It only makes forging candles faster at the start of your candle run. Your chevron will show you the forge rate - the longer you run, the slower the forge rate. The new system allows for faster forging of candles at the start of each run, it doesn't allow for additional or more candles. The maximum amount of candles will not change, only the rate of forging them changed.

[pastel ice]

I tried the new system yesterday and forest gave me 8 candles I'm a consistent full runner in live and this might help me take rest from playing too much

[glass tiger]

That is double the amount of candles i get in forest in live wowza

[cerulean grove]

XD me too

[half plaza]

regarding the new candle system, will the valley race still give one candle?? or will that depend if you have chevrons or not??

[daring niche]

My God, why can't Facebook log in😩

[lilac epoch]

Still gonna give candle, the devs were clear that the candles available per day from a full run will not be changing.

[lusty light]

Facebook login has been disabled for weeks. It was announced in #beta-known-issues

[alpine fable]

Hey! I have a question but I don't think that it's ok to ask it in questions and help channel as it's related to stuff that hasn't come out yet
So today I saw a few people doing the bear hug emote in live version of the game. Should I report them or is it fine?

[desert token]

the new lvl 1 friendship emotes are usually rolled out a few weeks before the season starts. this time it's no different

[lapis ore]

The normal bear hug has been released, the upgraded one has to be bought from the yeti hermit

[alpine fable]

OoH okay, thank you! I was just a bit confused

[lilac epoch]

It does, slowly. It has a candelabra in the center for recharging

[spark lance]

People already finished the constellation meanwhile I haven’t even completed one spirit

[ocean canyon]

hello hello, does anyone know what the 11th wedge looks like on the snowflake cape? i’d love to see it ;-;

[solemn pond]

hi betaplayers! can i get prices for this season stuff?

[tranquil coral]

Does the candle farming rate decreases as time passes or candles farmed

[steady pond]

it decreases as candles are farmed

[spark lance]

... i just Done CR now and still didnt understand wth the reason of this change...

[spark lance]

🤔😅

[hollow cloak]

Er... Pardon my surprise but that's a very cold ping for a two emoji reaction

[willow flare]

Given that the number of candles available for forging is the same, then should it mean:

• At 3-chevron state, the wax to candle ratio is lower (forging rate being way faster than current live version), and

• At 0-chevron state, the wax to candle ratio will be higher than current constant ratio (thus forging rate by then will be slower than the current rate in live version)?

Please correct me if I am wrong :sweat_smile:

[fallen forum]

yea the "wax to candle ratio"
I tried 3-chevron state and it was way faster than live version.
but I am not sure about 2, 1 & 0-chevron as I haven't try them

[ebon sable]

Also, trying to trick the game by not tapping on the filled candle in hopes that your chevron won’t decrease doesn’t work...🤔

[spark lance]

The dreams cosmetics are so cool omg

Both the pantsuit things are incredible but the red one 🎉
And the RABBIT

[vast bay]

Ktjn

the calculation is made when you collect the Light, not when you forge the candles, so waiting to forge won't be beneficial or detrimental to you to sandbag your candle forging.

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[spark lance]

I've never wanted a mask more in my life

[clear cargo]

I don't pretty understand about the new system but it sounds cool

[willow flare]

Because the Law of Conservation of Wax-candle is in effect

An amount of wax will in turn gives the equivalent amount of candles

Since the total number of waxes in the entire game is the same, then the number of candles that can be forged should stay the same

[slim kayak]

you get candles faster at the start and slower at the end, but the total candles you can get per day is the same

[worn trail]

How come the candles on the feast table are still there? No one with bonfire complained? 😂
Only one minute slowmode 🥳

[empty river]

and why would we complain? is not like the bonfire is the only thing that recharges your light in the game

[slim kayak]

it's super slow compared to the bonfire. but as someone with bonfire in beta i don't mind another item that can recharge

[ebon sable]

So scientific 😀. Love it!

[worn trail]

It's an ultimate after all. It should be one of a kind right?

[empty river]

recharging light isnt unique to the bonfire

[stark echo]

Well, my motive of buying that feast table is not about self recharging or stuff, i just wanna be dinner

[slim kayak]

ultimate umbrella isn't the only umbrella, so why not another item that can recharge?

[rocky swallow]

how many candles can u get from a full cr now, i dont have enough stars to do a full cr 😔😔

[steady pond]

the same amount, so still 18 ish

[worn trail]

Well it can be carried anywhere and is the most useful thing along with chibi mask for oobs :pEyes:
What else can recharge on the go? My first expensive purchase was table even before chibi mask

[empty river]

so is table you can get from vault lol

[slim kayak]

hug a friend! much faster than bonfire

[steady pond]

use all the instant recharge potions 😔

[worn trail]

Sometimes solo feels good too :)

[stark echo]

What if you have no friend

[empty river]

you can come across several things that can recharge you in your journey

[tiny umbra]

Kneeling comfortably on a bonfire vs huddled weirdly on three candles on the feast table for half a minute, I think the balance is ok and the bonfire retains the ultimateness

[steady pond]

i think an area thats really lacking in recharge areas is the ark.. the thing that charges the fastest there are the initial clouds and the questgiver lol

[worn trail]

In the middle of nowhere like you run out of flaps while shiny boi hunting? And the closest recharge is miles away

[slim kayak]

home and use return shrine

[empty river]

or walk? i dont think we should be painting the bonfire as this glorified paid to win item, and that nothing thats not an ultimate can have the recharging feature

[steady pond]

its a fun challenge to CR with only 6 wings tho. def doable and if you try to run it such that you never run out of flaps, it really improves the way you fly

[stark echo]

Recharging table is super helpful guys, tho we have other alternatives but still
I once spent half an hour in eden oob flying (yes whole half an hour of flying) just to see what is that shiny spot on the sky. If there was a recharging table i wouldnt make my fren suffer with me tbh :pEyes:

[worn trail]

I have seen people complete till vault without wings so it's not a big deal. Just that bonfire's anywhere recharge is a full little item. While I was practising eden flight, a person set down a bonfire spell and said feel free to use it. We became friends that day.

[tiny umbra]

You really only need 2 flaps for a candle run, maybe 3 so you don’t die in wasteland and forest

[slim kayak]

when i'm bored, i try to walk throughout the realms and see how far i can go. it's fun to imagine all the realms being like trials

[oak berry]

sometimes ill legitimately walk around the realms while trying to not fly, it got me stuck in a hole once

[faint hazel]

is the ap for ts still a thing ill be very sad if it is but i understand the reasoning

[slim kayak]

as far as i know, it's still in beta, but no word on if/when it's going to live

[empty river]

its a thing in beta but theres no plans to bring it to live for now

[hollow cloak]

First my emotes break. Then Skybot chomps on my message :pFIRE:

Basically, it all depends on how you fly. I fly solo the vast majority of the time. I always make sure I know where the nearest recharge point is, and I constantly utilize clouds (see: Sanctuary).
Doing Vault with 4 wings taught me that the really high winged light on the 3rd floor is accessible with only 3 flaps, for example

[worn trail]

How much is the Christmas umm pendant? Sorry idk what it's called 😬

[slim kayak]

once you get pretty far into the game, to where you're being reborn with 7 flaps now, you can pretty much get to any recharge spot no problem. but the realms are designed to be able to walk through them if you need to

[tiny umbra]

At some point there needs to be names for the floor that aren’t floor numbers cause I only knew of the white tree at the 3rd floor before I realized some people call the first floor the ground floor

[willow flare]

I do call the bottommost floor as the ground floor (G/F)

[worn trail]

Some people call the realms gates and it hurts 😭

[steady pond]

i just call them portals

[oak berry]

yall call them floors?

[willow flare]

Enumeration makes memorisation easier

[slim kayak]

well, vault is basically 1 giant elevator

[worn trail]

Did you do gate 2? I finished gate 3 it hurts bro 😂

[hollow cloak]

whoops my bad lyze, i forgot about that :pFIRE:

I actually started beta completely wingless, skipped every single winged light and made it up to Vault before I accidentally picked up one while talking to friends.

I needed to be ferried through some places (cough prairie bird nest cough) and some spirits are impossible to collect without help, but much the game is definitely doable if you have no light. Especially Forest and Wasteland, the areas where you lose the most light - they're quite flat and have lots of slopes/steps, if you think about it.

[oak berry]

graveyard but youre only allowed to walk

[steady pond]

wingless forest is just going from shelter to shelter
wingless wasteland is floor is lava lol just run

[slim kayak]

sky but no sky. so... ground

[steady pond]

not ground...... earth

[hollow cloak]

My friends decided to burn the plant in the middle of graveyard during my wingless adventure, actually.
I tried to help but I couldn't climb the plant and I was dying pretty fast. Eventually I just scuttled under one of the shelters and cheered on my friends from the sidelines while dodging crabs. :SkyLOL:

[willow flare]

Airplanes are being grounded
But characters are user's choice to stay grounded

[tiny umbra]

Doable yes, doable alone? Forest temple begs to differ

[hollow cloak]

I've done it.
I climbed the jellies on my own.
It took a few tries, but it's doable :pFIRE:

edit: ah right, I forgot about the inside of the temple. Yeah, there are little elevators on the sides

[steady pond]

forest temple have moving platforms that bring you up, its still doable

[slim kayak]

you can totally do forest temple wingless. take the stairs on the sides, jump to the moving platforms that take you up

[tiny umbra]

Wait I meant the jellies before forest temple I kinda noticed not many people know the word is Boneyard

[steady pond]

oh yeah thats def not possible, i remember buckets sky vid on running the realms capeless and he couldnt do it because the gap between the jellyfish were too big

[slim kayak]

table

[hollow cloak]

Basically just carefully slide off of a jelly while spamming jump button. Eventually you'll get there, I managed it capeless

[willow flare]

The names for specific parts of the area are not shown in the game right?
(Except for meditation tasks)

[empty river]

bucket needs to get good smh 😤 (jk) many have done all realms capeless ehe

[slim kayak]

i think the boneyard is specifically the little broken down hut with the whale call skeleton. the gratitude shrine is in front of it

[tiny umbra]

Yeah see I’m too impatient I had to friend a moth to fly me up

[hollow jay]

Has anyone tried exhausting all three Chevrons? (New beta Candle light run system) or is it possible to use up all three?(I'm bad at farming😂)

[tiny umbra]

I’ve always known the first part of that area as boneyard, because of how white and stark the tree trunks are, and the second area as broken bridge specifically

[hollow cloak]

Oh, I fell quite a few times. But I was determined to make it.
I guess that's why I repeatedly hurl myself off the edge of Air Trial to catch those tricky currents, too :SkyLOL:

[tiny umbra]

They’re shown in game from quests, as well as titles when you enter some certain areas,

[willow flare]

I haven't used up all 3 chevrons yet, but it's possible to use up all 3, at which the forging rate would be the slowest (most likely being slower than the current constant rate in live version)

The 3 chevrons will be back at the start of next day (UTC-7) at a daily basis

[oak berry]

tree boneyard

[hollow jay]

@willow flare from my counting, it's already slower than current live at ONE Chevron. I counted 280 sparks/drops of lights for one candle at level 1.
😂farming is tiring

[hollow cloak]

Why else do you think the trees are so white and don't have leaves?

[oak berry]

or, petrified trees also arent the clouds the leaves

[hollow cloak]

yes but shhh they're just conveniently shaped to disguise the bone trees

[tiny umbra]

It’s a question for lore chat but its hard not to think about the reasons why our trees are white without leaves, and why it’s more apparent in boneyard, while the tree in the spirit cutscene in vault has leaves from the last

[willow flare]

280 waxes = 1 candle at 1 chevron state?
That looks seriously slow :pCry:

Does anyone know what is the current wax-candle ratio in live version? Is it 120 waxes = 1 candle?

[silent lily]

Well, who knows, maybe sky trees are alot different than irl trees?

[hollow jay]

280 waxes = 1 candle at 1 chevron state?
That looks seriously slow

Does anyone know what is the current wax-candle ratio in live version? Is it 120 waxes = 1 candle?
@willow flare 150
120 is the number for Chinese server

[hazy sand]

are there any open waves for the new || daily light ||update?

[oak berry]

i always thought forest was a petrified forest with acid rain, the pollution was diluted in the river so the water cant harm us, only the rain

[willow flare]

Thanks a lot

[silent lily]

That's only in beta and you need to be in beta to test it. The beta invite waves took place like weeks ago.

[hazy sand]

ahh ok, I see

[hollow cloak]

Beta waves are usually tied to a season, so no, it doesn't open when new features are released for beta.
We don't know what we'll get during testing, sometimes it's just a season, sometimes it's a new event, sometimes it's seasonal holiday cosmetics or an item pack
We just know there's stuff to test, a season at the very least :SkyLOL:

edit: I keep forgetting the distinction between holiday seasons and Sky seasons :pFIRE:

[hazy sand]

is there a way to get in beta in the future?

[hollow cloak]

Check #beta-faq, my friend

[steady pond]

check #beta-faq if you havent already
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/718642521542098974/783483197970448395

[silent lily]

Yes, when the Season of dreams will be nearing it's end in live, there will be more beta invites.
For more info please read #beta-faq

[hazy sand]

oh nice! i see know! tysm : )

[hollow cloak]

We don't actually know the timeframe for invite waves or if they're linked to seasons in live, they come when they come

[lusty light]

They actually do say in the faq that invites come near the end of the current running season in live 👀

[hollow cloak]

This week on: Soap3 needs to read beta-faq too™

[steady pond]

here it is by the way just for reference (https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/718595027990741022/718646440427126907)

To become a tester, you’ll need to follow the links that we post whenever we conduct a new Beta invite wave, which will generally go out as each season in the Live version of Sky is close to ending.

[slim kayak]

the faq does get updated from time to time. it truly is a magical place where most of our answers can be found

[steady pond]

the FAQ does get longer and longer though so i cant really blame people for missing stuff, especially when its updated from time to time
my adhd looks at paragraphs and decides it cant read anymore so my brain checks out often

[lusty light]

True but when 10 different ppl are asking the same question that’s at the very bottom of the faq it’s like

[steady pond]

it doesnt even have to be at the bottom of the FAQ, the answer can be in the same chat just a couple of messages away and people still won't read it sometimes 😔

[lusty light]

I specify the bottom bc that’s how discord opens channels by default

[slim kayak]

like during invite waves: when is the next wave?
we don't know.
next person: when is the next wave?

[steady pond]

yeah true, plus discords search function is rly good too so im not sure why people dont use it more often

[lusty light]

Hey does anyone know when waves are

[worn field]

pls read faq thx

[lusty light]

Don’t think in numbers, the devs didn’t give us exacts for a reason
Just go in beta and see how it feels

You will hurt your brain trying to use math for this lol

[lusty light]

What is that

[worn field]

that's explained in the faq

[lusty light]

[muted canopy]

algorithms are hard, yo

[pulsar veldt]

[tiny umbra]

Math is fun if it’s on a topic you like

[muted canopy]

like adding money to my account yes

[lusty light]

I don’t like how math is always right I think it’s evil

[steady pond]

math is fun if you dont have to do it for a grade

if theres evil scientists why arent there evil mathematicians

[tiny umbra]

I was trying to explain the maths to a friend and she recognized it as logarithms and that's the farthest I can understand the numbers of this

[glass tiger]

Send help.. i sent a beta photo in the gen screenshot and vids channel :stickerGloomy:

By accident

[slim kayak]

i'm amused and in awe of the dedication some testers have for beta. there are so many graphs, and people made equations for the new system

[muted canopy]

i actually love patterns so algebra and percentages and ish are my jam. but this? this is killing me

[oak berry]

when i looked at screenshots it looked like all of the graphs when i was reviewing slope

[pulsar veldt]

[lusty light]

Just delete it

[tiny umbra]

Sky helping us understand calculus it seems

[glass tiger]

Yeah i did.

[steady pond]

not all that relevant, but there was an incident where someone came up with a math equation to some anime question that real mathematicians didnt think of, and they got credited in the math wiki or something. itd be swag if the same genius happened in here someday lol

[tiny umbra]

“They got credited in the math wiki” highest achievement let’s do it

[lusty light]

Math wiki djdhxhjajsjd

The math fandom

[oak berry]

the math fandom

[muted canopy]

if i didn’t have to macro and table so many excel spreadsheets for work everyday, i’d probably do it for this. #retirementgoals

[steady pond]

considering the wiki is literally called https://mathsci.fandom.com/ ... ajhsdjfad 😔

[sonic talon]

me, trying to get to valley so I can test the new season:

[oak berry]

wait the math fandom is an actual thing i-

[tiny umbra]

It’s called school usually but here it has its own wiki

[steady pond]

would skykids learn math .. i mean dont they technically have to to build structures and stuff? did egyptians use math when they built their pyramids? oh boy i am going really off topic i am so sorry

anyways hows beta going for everyone

[lusty light]

MWKDIXHXBSBAJQ

[tiny umbra]

I think spirits have the math covered, I think the only math skykids have to know is basic brick wall algebra

[oak berry]

and flight school obviously

[slim kayak]

the spirits have got to know at least some math, i mean, how else did they build the temples and have them still standing?

[vital sentinel]

With feelings and hope

[atomic mountain]

i know the total candles stay the same, but i only farm prarie-gw most days.. will the new system affect my candles?

[steady pond]

theres boat builders too. actually heres the real question, if theres mathematicians and architects in sky, who built all that stuff in orbit

[tiny umbra]

Megabird

[steady pond]

that implies that megabirds IQ is higher than everyone elses which i will accept and take as valid from now on

[atomic mountain]

megabird beeg brain

[cedar forum]

augh, that feeling when skybot tells you you've run out of time in a bug report because you have additional information but forgot to hit the yes emote and just started typing. slinks off to re-do the report...

[lyric wadi]

Guys does the new announcement mean that if we r tired we will get less wax?

[muted canopy]

mantas built the stuff in orbit, and that fuzzy whale thing that exists in both water AND the clouds.

[dapper canopy]

Is Season of Dreams a reference to Winter Olympics in Pyongchang, South Korea ?

[willow flare]

It means that if the character gets tired (reduction in number of chevrons) the amount of waxes needed to forge a single candle increases

Since the Law of Conservation of Wax-candles applies, the total number of waxes across all realms will stay the same, and therefore the number of candles that can be forged daily will still be the same

[faint hazel]

New Daily Light FAQ by Iguana
#questions-and-help message

New Candle Collection In A Nutshell by lynx
#beta-discussion message

'Candles Forged' Graph Regarding the new Daily Light System by Oasis
#screenshots-and-videos message

[stiff trout]

Did anyone done the full Cr? How many candles did y'all have received?

[pure vapor]

does anyone know the beta prices on the Days of Feast items?

[rich monolith]

In office:
5 Blessing nodes with holiday spells - 2 candles
Regular heart - 3 regular candles
Feast Neck Tie - 15 hearts
Days of Feast cape - 65 candles
Days of Feast table - 150 candles

IAP items:

1. $14.99 Days of Feast Horn
2. $14.99 Snowflake Cape
3. $6.99 Days of Feast Hat—includes 25 Regular Candles

[autumn lance]

What's the new instrument called?

[crude crystal]

pipa

[foggy atlas]

It’s the same amount
The purpose of the system is for you to collect at a faster rate at the beginning (it’s to benefit those whose time is very limited and can’t fully cr) and it starts decreasing as you keep collecting (hence still making the total the same as before) so people with a limited amount of time would collect a lot but not the entire amount of a full cr

[dusk flower]

Is it just me that wish the theme song of season of dream should become a music sheet, I really love it and I wish I can play it while my friend skating 🥺

[pale turtle]

It's called Lute. You can refer to
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lute

[stiff trout]

Hmm, so it means we will get the same amount of candles if we done full Cr right? Theoretically
Mine problem is that I've done my full cr for today already, and the total amount of candles I've receive was only 15.
5 candles at 3 chevron, 5 at 2 chevron, 5 at 1 chevron.
After I reached 0 chevron, it gets really hard to forge, so my total candles for today is only about 15
Is that my problem that I may have wrong candles calculating, or is this normal?

[silent lily]

Same, i was thinking that it will be a music sheet When i saw the teaser but it wasn't. ;-;

[woeful urchin]

Hii i survived midterms qwq whats going on

[stiff trout]

I think it's more like a Chinese instrument called pipa? The ways of holding the instrument, and the total number of string on it, and also the sound, looks more like pipa
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipa

[willow flare]

I haven't done full CR yet, but I'll keep in mind about this scenario

The number of candles that can be forged daily is the same — which is announced in the beta updates channel

This is because the total number of waxes across all realms are the same, which I'll call this the Law of Conservation of Wax-candles

[autumn lance]

What if you don't slow down the candle fill up below standart at 0 chevrons, just keep it more higher-balanced at the start? Getting candles even slower at the end, when you are tired but still need a full run is really discouraging...

[foggy atlas]

I did full cr and got the total amount you would get in a normal full cr so I don’t know what to say in regards to that ahaha

[minor falcon]

the chevrons have an effect on the candle rewards after the two valley races, if you do them "tired" you might not get a full candle which could lead to a lower cr max

[willow flare]

I do believe it is an act to discourage us from doing full CRs

Because it seems like there will be more ways to get waxes in the future rather than simply doing CRs

[foggy atlas]

Agreed
They themselves said they’d rather us spend more time with friends/chilling out than spending all our timing candle running as it gets tiring and repeating
Edit: Taking into consideration that they also said this is a small piece of a bigger puzzle, there’s still new things we have yet to see from the system

[autumn lance]

Yeah, I get that, but let's say I'm saving up for ts or event stuff, I need full candle runs every day, or I won't be able to get them
Making candle forging rate even slower than standart at the end sounds actually more painful than the way we candle run right now

[cedar forum]

I only got a bit over 15 from a (nearly) full run today, forest>wasteland>valley>prairie>isle and some bits I missed. Still collected 3 candles in valley so it didn't seem like being at 1 chevron impacted them but maybe the lack of candles are because I did the races later. will switch up the order tomorrow.

[willow flare]

If regular partial CRs + new ways to get waxes will allow us to get more waxes than current regular full CRs, then I may consider not to do full CR anymore

[autumn lance]

Plus, with this system, people will eventually just stop visiting different realms, we will resort to only the most efficient ones, like prairie and forest

[foggy atlas]

If you fully candle run every day in live, nothing will change for you
You will get the same amount just not in a linear way because it’s meant to benefit those who have very limited amount of time to cr, not necessarily those who already fully cr

[stiff trout]

I'm going to try out once more full Cr today to test out for that total amount. Just wanna ask did anyone faced same situation as me
I'm that type of ppl who will done full cr everyday on live, because I NEED CANDLES. I knew I need candles so I will done my full cr. This system will really made me feel exhausted when I've reached 1 to 0 chevron cause it was really slow to forge a candle. Such bad experience at the end of cr (own opinion)

[foggy atlas]

A lot of people already do that
They will just benefit more from doing so
I completely get your point though and ruya’s
I was a bit discouraged near the end, but still got the same amount so I shrugged it off
However, this is the type of feedback they want so do make sure to send that in
They still have a lot more stuff in store for us in regards to this new system (they said it’s a small piece of a bigger puzzle) and along the way we are going to be helping them polish that plan

[willow flare]

The new system IS designed to make people feel exhausted if they choose to do full CRs, so full CRs will be discouraged

The devs are exploring new ways for us to gain waxes, which is a pooling strategy

[autumn lance]

What if you just make candle forging more higher, but balanced at the start, then slow down to standart fill up after 5-10 candles?
It still benefits people who don't have time, and doesn't discourage full cr runners

[willow flare]

It's true that Prairie and Forest will eventually become the 2 realms people only travel into, in order to make their own CRs more efficient

Having the new system is a compromise from the idea of exploring and experiencing the stories and atmospheres of individual realms

[lusty light]

There are no “more efficient” levels under this new system, Ktjn has said not to treat this system as the system we have now bc it just doesn’t work that way

[foggy atlas]

Many people already only do prairie, forest, and gw
The devs know it and wanted to make it more efficient for them so they don’t feel like they wasted the little time they had
They also know that there will still be people doing full crs and therefore kept the total the same if you choose to do so

[lusty light]

Most people are getting less than half of the candles available a day, they’re usually just doing 1 level and playing with friends after that

[pulsar veldt]

Its problem with peoples laziness, not TGCs don't considering

[autumn lance]

I love seeing these new changes, though. Can't wait to see what they have in store for us!

But I still need my full cr joy-- Watching candles fill up after every realm is actually comforting and rewarding, and having to almost no reward at the end makes you go "I'm not gonna get that much more from running another place, might as well forget about it"

[foggy atlas]

I wouldn’t say laziness
Some people only do 2-3 realms because they just don’t have time for a full cr and TGC wanted to help them

[unreal python]

theyve also said that there will be new and different wax gathering opportunities now with this new system...besides just burning plants and lighting candles. im curious to see what those new gameplay wax gathering plans will be like. I think it was wirthun?

[lusty light]

It’s very rude to call people lazy, not everyone has hours of free time to play the game everyday, and even if they did why should they? Doing the same exact thing everyday for hours is not fun

[lyric wadi]

Oke..thanks! The

[steady pond]

"you are lazy for not doing something repetitive that takes at least 2 hours every single day" is probably not the take anyone should be having here

[lyric wadi]

After playing everyday for an entire year if people don't feel like farming as much, its not called being lazy 🙂 also, people might have other important things and responsibilities in their daily lives instead of playing online games, calling them lazy is rather rude imo

[pulsar veldt]

Am i say something wrong here im using translation

[foggy atlas]

Ofc! TGC themselves said they’d rather us spend most of the time in game with friends/doing things we enjoy and that they’ll be exploring so many new things with this system!
This is the first of it and I’m super excited to see what else they have in store, especially when their objective is to make candle running not as tiresome and repetitive

[unreal python]

thiiiiiiis. after many months of playing, I dont enjoy going through wasteland, and so i dont want to feel forced that I have to go collect wax there. its nice to have more of a choice on where I want to farm

[pulsar veldt]

Eng is too hard to me better just sit here

[tiny breach]

Haha I think ‘laziness’ is just stirring up the wrong vibes. The system is to benefit people who can’t spend as much time running and to incentivize hanging out with friends over hardcore running

[lyric wadi]

Nah all is fine, just the word lazy gets people worked up so don't worry

Lazy or busy or whatever, the amount of wax remains same, its just farming later reduces the candle forging speed and farming earlier increases the speed. Busy people can forge much earlier comparatively while people who farm all can forge remaining at length

[foggy atlas]

TGC knows that there’s realms many people won’t visit and they are fully aware of how repetitive it all is
So they want to help those who only run 2-3 realms

[steady pond]

imo new system is great because ill never have to suffer through the wait for wastelands big plant ever again
its always either 10 seconds or 1 hr theres no inbetween

[unreal python]

yeah! im really happy for this change so far. seems like a good direction.

[spark lance]

how do i get beta?

[tender oasis]

I totally agree on this. Even tho the end result is the same, seeing your effort worth less towards the end is not a pleasant feeling. I wish i shouldn't forge candles up in the corner if i want to see what were the daily quests, so i don't see how slow it fills up after the first candle rush episode if i accidentally forge some candle

[lyric wadi]

Prior to every season they announce beta invites will be sent out. If we join those invites and enroll for beta then we can join beta. Will have to wait for next season now

[tiny breach]

I for one thought the system was really big brains. I just wish we could see the chevron level. Like within chevron three for example, it would be cool if we could just see where we’re at within that chevron in case u forget like me (I did put this in suggestions heh)

[unreal python]

thats good feedback have you sent that in?

[spark lance]

oh okay

[steady pond]

having an excuse to skip vault and prairie is epic

[lyric wadi]

Prairie is too long and vault is too sleepy and valley is too dull for me...I like forest only XD
And GW depends on my mood hehe

[unreal python]

i'll pretend like i didnt hear you say you like skipping prairie. my manta friends and i are gonna hang out allllll the time

[willow flare]

My suggestion would be
"It's people's problem of being lazy, not TGC being inconsiderate"
rather than
"Its problem with peoples laziness, not TGCs don't considering"

[tiny breach]

LOL ikr? I haven’t run vault, or isle either, in so long

[steady pond]

ok ill still go to prairie just for sanctuary but i can skip 8man doors without feeling guilt and its so good

[lusty light]

Calling people lazy is the issue

[lyric wadi]

When prophesy started only then would I go to the isle cave for the cake...

[foggy atlas]

Yeah, with this system
You can already collect most of the day’s wax from your fav/preferable realms
It is truly magnificent and I’m very eager for more of their puzzle of new and innovative candle running mechanisms

[willow flare]

Ahhh which is the word usage issue rather than the grammatical issue 🙃

[stiff trout]

Wait, my most interesting things to do in game is doing full cr with my friends LOL
Mostly we will chatting all the way on the cr, and I'll have excuse to make them stay longer in game to play with me by calling them to do full cr to collect candles for ts and the Christmas event. (own situation again)

[unreal python]

yes, its better to be kind. sometimes people cant play this game for a long cr because of time constraints, other commitments, or just limiting their screen time for their own health.

[willow flare]

Probably I was focusing on the grammatical issue rather than the word usage

[unreal python]

Ruya with this system, if you want to do a full CR it will still be an option! but now theres more options for everyone (and will be more maybe?) for people besides JUST a full candle run.

[tiny breach]

Yeah haha, when I’m on break, I thoroughly enjoy doing a full run. But when I’m the midst of school work, I’m lucky to get enough time to just light friend stars and do quests.

[foggy atlas]

Although it may seem more discouraging for you, this new system will be beneficial to a lot of people
Besides, if you talk to friends during a full cr, you’re usually not staring at your candle counter right?
My point being, it may seem more discouraging in beta since there’s not many people/not all your friends are there (and that’s a variable we have to factor out in beta)

[tiny breach]

I rarely see my friends online in beta probs cuz I have so few but I’m the same way @ ruya. I chat a lot with my friends during runs. I feel like the system will mainly help solo players and those who can’t spend too long on runs

[willow flare]

Everything has at least two perspectives

It depends on how a person looks at it

[foggy atlas]

Ofc, that applies to almost everything, but objectively the purpose of the new system is to benefit those who, for whatever personal reasons, only can/want to cr 2-3 realms (or even less)

[restive sigil]

Wait have they also changed the rate the candle fills up once you’re out of chevrons? Or is that still normal

[copper lava]

How many wing light total in village of dream???

[willow flare]

Apparently 2 and 3 chevrons have forge rates higher than current constant rate, and 0 and 1 chevron have forge rates lower than current constant rate

It all comes down to the wax to candle ratio

[restive sigil]

I thought that all 3 chevrons provided a higher forge rate while 0 chevron was just normal, I feel like that would make more sense imo? So like what everyone was talking about, it wouldn’t feel so draining by the end of the run especially if we’re running because there’s ts
Or at least just make 0 chevron a bit slower not also 1

[willow flare]

The Law of Conservation of Wax-candles applies

Since the total number of waxes across all realms is the same, then the number of candles that can be forged daily will stay the same

What varies is the wax to candle ratio

If I get more candles at the start with less waxes, then I will get less candles with more waxes at the end

[urban whale]

Hi, I know this is a bit off-topic but a friend of mine in live said that the black and white tier 2 capes were dropped and won’t go into live. Is this true? Or are they still unreleased yet and the placeholders still exist? Thanks a lot in advance

[restive sigil]

Ah okay, thank you!
I feel like using that same law we could make a balance so that it doesn’t feel as much of a burden to continue and finish up the runs, while also allowing us to get more candles with less wax

[hollow compass]

They were briefly in beta, but have been removed to be redesigned. People who bought them when they were available can still wear them, so they're not gone. @urban whale

[crimson nova]

i still dont understand the shepherd thingy.

[calm mist]

Currently 3 chevrons give you double the speed for forging, 2 chevrons are normal speed (as it is in live), 1 chevron is half as fast and 0 is even slower...
The current max candle count is therefore lower than before, but TGC will probably either adjust the curve some more or add new creative ways to earn candles in a future patch to even it out

[restive sigil]

I thought the max candle count stayed the same. A few people tested it and said that it did
Also I think they said that they are experimenting with creatures of light giving wax? Though that could just be hear say

[sly goblet]

There is a difference from area to area, but perhaps due to the lack of candles it takes there isn’t much different

Perhaps the devs wanted to give the freedom of walking around freely w/the added benefactor of not having to seek candles but still get the same total?

[steady pond]

it might be good to check how much a realm gives you at every chevron tier, itll take a while but might have some interesting results

[calm mist]

The reason people are saying it’s the same, is because that’s what was written in the update notes...
In game the current max amount is lower though. People that tested and calculated it did not get the same amount of candles they normally would (purely from a mathematical standpoint it’s impossible to reach the same amount as well)
But as I said, TGC will probably add other ways to get candles so everything evens out again

[hollow compass]

Could the new total be because those guaranteed 2 candles are "missing" from Valley races?
I'm thinking, they were never part of any wax collecting anyway.

[crimson nova]

hi. how long does it usually take you guys to farm everything? what if tgc set an amount of time that accelerate candle forging based on how long it usually takes people to do a full run?

[misty star]

Interesting concept but I think that would make it too easy

[sly goblet]

Hm, it’s a interesting idea but it makes more sense to tie the rate to the candles themselves

[hollow compass]

No? Maybe I'm explaining myself badly. The 2 Valley race candles were always just there without us having to collect wax. But now that only wax collecting contributes to the total, those 2 are included in the total, which means that the total will also be less.

[steady pond]

yeah i was thinking of that too, because if it were wax it would scale either up or down accordingly to the chevron tiers, but since we never collect wax and get only 1 whole candle its natural that the total count would be affected

[hollow compass]

Yes, I don't know how much the race candles represent within the total, but it would make sense that they affect how many you can get from a full run.

[primal pagoda]

yes I just went to valley race a minute ago and I didn’t get a full candle

[misty star]

The valley races still give us 2 candles and are counted as part of the total. I think that TGC are probably still working on alternative ways to get candles and that’s why the total is less than usual at the moment. Remember they just introduced this feature so there is probably still a lot going to change and be added relating to this topic still.

[crimson nova]

so the real aim of the new forging system is to just collect more candles in the start?

[hollow compass]

But that's the thing, you don't get 2 candles unless it's the first realm you go through. If it's later in your candle run you don't get a full candle.

[spark lance]

I believe the accelerate candle forging based on the amount of candle you collect (for example: the chevron decreases every 5 candles) (?!)

It's too complicated if the system is based on the time factor since there might be observational error 🤔

[sly goblet]

Doing it based on time would not work since people may do their runs in intervals

[misty star]

Maybe that’s a bug, but im not sure.

[crimson nova]

i thought they added a feature that interacting with creatures would earn you wax? or just wandering around

[hollow compass]

I feel like the purpose of the races needs to be worked on. Originally, they were actual races you could do with your friends. Then, you did have to collect sparks to get enough wax for a candle. And now, before this chevron system, we were always guaranteed a candle. The purpose was diluted more and more, and now the races seem rather pointless.

[primal pagoda]

not a bug according to the dev, races don’t give 2 candles anymore;

#beta-discussion message

this could be the reason why some people are getting only 15 candles from this reset. they might be doing races at the end of their run so they didn’t get 2 full candles

[hollow compass]

That's what I was saying all along.

[steady pond]

no more races. piggyback rocketing through vault in 5 mins for a candle is now my new best friend /j

[little hound]

Idk. This is great news for me. Valley races are the only thing that I dread in sky

[hollow compass]

I feel that if the total candle count is to be kept intact, the races need to be excempt from this new chevron system.

[spark lance]

No,

Please read the chat because I think other users explain the system clearly. Basically, you get more wax at the beginning and it decreases over time. But at the end of the day, you still get the same total amount of candles in 6 realms.

[sly goblet]

Yes ^^

[primal pagoda]

rewards from valley races and daily quests off season

[crimson nova]

thats why i asked coz i couldn't comprehend well. sorry.

[hollow compass]

Well, actually... 😉 I think they were confused by this statement in the blog post: This system keeps us open to the types of sources we can add to the world and allows us to set the stage to create a more dynamic, engaging world — where anything from interacting with creatures to socializing can be rewarded with Light.

[crimson nova]

"socializing" is the shepherd thingy related to this???

[hollow compass]

No idea. I think there are a lot of ideas being tossed around at TGC. We will probably see more in beta as time goes by. 🙂

[sly goblet]

I don’t think so?

[spark lance]

I see it now :stickerEmbarrassed:
The announcement from devs can be confusing sometimes..

[steady pond]

if interacting with creatures could give you wax then i can only imagine the lag if you could get wax from flying with sanctuary mantas lol. 5fps sky here we go

[stoic glen]

Hey hey how are y’all’s day going?

[wispy seal]

Maybe. Now you can get Light for your candle when you give light to friends. Not the heart one, the truly light for candles. Maybe our socializing with friends will get the Light too in the future.

[hollow compass]

It's probably too early to start speculating about whatever that sentence is implying.

[stoic glen]

😔 sorry bout that

[hollow compass]

Sorry, Blue, I thought maybe you posted in the wrong chat accidentally? I'm doing ok. It's a day of rememberance for me, so I'm trying to do just good-for-the-soul things today.

[stoic glen]

Ah that’s nice! Imma go scr, I missed out on a week TwT dropped my phone in water accidentally, y’know, the usual. Catching up

[peak socket]

I lost most of my wings in Eden because of an important call.

That being said the whole thing felt smoother than in Live.

[hollow compass]

Huh, so when I logged in now at reset my chevron was 2. But as soon as I started collecting it went back to 4. That's a little confusing.

[steady pond]

could it be a bug not displaying it properly? :o

[hollow compass]

I can only check tomorrow again...

[wispy seal]

Display bug imo. I got no chevrons when I logged in today. Once I collected Light the chevrons were back.

[little hound]

Ah gen chat is a mess. I’m just gonna look for a chair then I’ll be settled here.

[sullen relic]

can confirm something similar on my end, it showed me as having one chevron when i first logged in -- but the moment i collected some wax, it jumped up to 3 chevrons/max boost

[peak token]

good morning / afternoon/ evening !

3 or 4 hours before reset i tried to cr full maps in beta and i got like 15 (isle-vault, like everything), do any of you got the same amount of candles like me when doing full realms cr?

[calm mist]

I suspect this is a bug, but since it also has infos about the valley candle discussion,I wanna give a shout-out here:

#beta-screenshots-videos message

[icy hollow]

Is new season-candle located?

[hollow compass]

Are you wondering where the candles are? Or if they have been moved?
There are seasonal candles in all realms this time around.

[solid dune]

does anyone know what the 11th wings looks like on the snowflake cape?

[hollow compass]

I think someone posted that yesterday in #beta-screenshots-videos

[glacial vault]

Ok so i logged in today to do my cr and test out the "energy level" concept... i thought the energy level will reset to max after the daily reset but i see that my energy level is at the level i stopped my cr yesterday, are you guys experiencing the same thing?

Edit: Posted a picture of what i mean in the screenshots n videos channel

[sullen relic]

collect a single piece of wax, the icon should reset the moment the wax count updates

[glacial vault]

Ok thanks

[late mountain]

Has anyone tried entering the final spirit seasonal quest with friends? Does it work?

[pulsar veldt]

Its work for my friends but it didn't worked for me

I can get enter but can't complete the quest

[late mountain]

What's not working for you Stroll?

[mental ridge]

We did try yesterday (my x-th time, his first) and it did work! Or rather, the part where you ‘perform’ can be done together; the part where you clap and do the final poses or whatever with the girl, cannot

I’m not sure if we’d both complete the quest if it had been my first time as well though

[primal pagoda]

days of feast has ended in beta

[pliant perch]

yes, i did the final quest with my friend too. you could basically "perform" while holding hands with your friends, but the moment it's time to do the final pose, you'd get separated from them. it was my first and her first time doing the quest too, we both were able to complete the quest.

[late mountain]

Okay thank you both of you! I'm hoping they might make it so you don't get kicked out and can leave only when you want to. That's the sort or place I'd love to vibe.

[desert mango]

It seems that so far the new system is perfect on my first test of the day

#beta-screenshots-videos message

[alpine field]

Is it possible to use up all the chevrons? It’s so near yet so far...

[stone topaz]

it doesn't matter if the race gives candle or wax. Since the total amount of wax is still the same.

The problem is that the amount of max candle is not the same as before. And this is what I found today:

The amount of wax needed for a Tier 0 (no arrow) candle meter is >400 or more, and is currently unforgable, since it's more than daily max wax after the 15th candle. I have collected 0.5 candle (4 ENTIRE TREASURE CANDLE) before reset, but it is still a 0.5 candle after reset (At Tier 3). So there's absolutely no point collecting wax when you reach 0 arrow. In the current system, not only 15 is the daily max for now, but forever.

[spark lance]

How much is the amount of max candles per day (let's say full candles run)?

[stone topaz]

with absolutely everything you can find in the SKY world, it's about 2900 without Eden. Approximately 3200 with Eden

[late mountain]

I wonder how daily quest wax during off season will work. since it gives wax that might be a really quick way to get like 8 candles with a 3 chevron bar.

[spark lance]

And the wax from all the spirits right?

[stone topaz]

assume that you've completed all spirits. There are only 2 spirits that gives actual wax daily and they're pretty much negligible (<10wax)

The 1 wax you see when you relight a spirit does NOT count into your candle meter

[tranquil coral]

That means we can only get 15 candles a day?

[spark lance]

Omg I thought it count. Not because I religh the spirits. Doing FULL candles run daily(including Eden, trials etc. is exhausting thing for me personally) I did my daily candles run today without forgin the candles. I didn't noticed any difference of my every day candles run. Sorry my English isn't good at all.

[pulsar veldt]

Is the eyebrows become white when we ware yeti pants is bug?

[alpine field]

I always thought they were eyelashes

[pulsar veldt]

Its not bug? Its intended?

[tranquil coral]

How does it look

[stone topaz]

At the current version, yes. BUT I am not complaining about the number of candles today, because it's subject to change.

The extra wax you collect at the end of a CR becomes meaningless. Even if it's 4 (and more) treasure candles

[pulsar veldt]

Than why other pants doesn't change the eyelashes color? Kinda confuse me

[spark lance]

Then u collected all the posible daily candles?

[late mountain]

Ooh, yeti pants make the eyes white with the no mask cosmetic (and others that show the eyes with no mask)? Am I understanding this correctly?

[stone topaz]

yes

[spark lance]

Sorry I am trying to understand. What's problem then if there is extra wax*

[late mountain]

That's a lovely idea

[stone topaz]

#beta-discussion message

[timid basalt]

it looked so pretty i ended up buying the no mask just for it

[pulsar veldt]

Yes i though eyelashes didn't changed in other pants so i thought its bug, but its intended? is there any official said something?

[spark lance]

Ok but u already got the max posible daily candles

[stone topaz]

put it simple:

200 wax collected after the 15th candle becomes an equivalent of 38 wax the next day.

[spark lance]

Ohhh Ok. Ty for explaining. Sorry for asking too much:cEllieSkyLove:

[stone topaz]

again, this is not about the number. It's the problem of the new system keeps your RATIO of your last candle count instead of actual wax amount.

[steady pond]

diff pants change skin colour, not sure why changing eyelashes is causing you alarm

[spark lance]

Got ty again

[pulsar veldt]

So official didn't say anything about it?

[steady pond]

not any statement that im aware of, but if it were a bug it wouldve shown up in #known-issues

[timid basalt]

regarding the 0 chevron, whats gonna happen to the wax from the quest giver during off season if you collect it after doing a full cr?

[storm vessel]

It's still in testing stages, so it might be fixed, only the dev knows...

[rich plover]

Why confetti spirit is in beta o.O

[steady pond]

considering how many people were commenting on white eyelashes when we discovered it, i doubt the devs didnt know about it. 😔 if it were unintentional someone wouldve said something by now

[pulsar veldt]

Maybe just late check for bugs:SkyShrug:
There's still possibility cause official didn't say bout anything duh:pEyes:

[alpine field]

Like it’s just an aesthetic difference and it’s cute and imo doesn’t need that much attention even if it’s a bug so lol
And put it this way: it’s the yEtI’s eYeLasHes

[primal pagoda]

at least not until march — did the question I’m replying to just got deleted

[steady pond]

i mean, feel free to report it if you think its a bug. lol thats what beta is for.

also, please read #beta-signup-info in regards to... beta invites

[storm vessel]

I'm talking about the daily lights by the way

[desert mango]

Haha wow 🙂 I just noticed they fixed the slow running skipping /stepping in a hole animation thing 🤍🕊️🤍

[stiff trout]

Me again. I've done my full cr today in Beta. Forest→ wasteland → prairie → Vault→ valley.
Final candles collected is 16, and yesterday was 15 because of I completed Valley earlier.
The candle gained after the races will still be 1, did not affected by my 0 chevron today. But it will lower my chevron level if I collected it when I still have chevron.

[rugged cairn]

is the red days of feast cape 65 candles?

[ionic sorrel]

why deer mask and umbrella is an illegal item?

[kindred fossil]

testing for those perspective seasons was extremely short it was impossible to complete and earn the ultimates

[calm mist]

The respective seasons were too short to get enough seasonal candles to buy them, so anyone that has them in beta has gotten them through means which go against the terms of service and should therefore be reported if you see them in game

[ionic sorrel]

oh okay, thanks for the explanation

[drifting mauve]

oh no... days of feast ended and i still didnt get the chair and cape
i was saving up candles until it to be enough for both of them

[shadow schooner]

uhhh does the home trick no longer work in beta?

[proven escarp]

okay the candles is system is bad

[proven escarp]

not just beta on live version too. but you can click the emote one, that one work

[shadow schooner]

ah okie, good to know. thank you!

[storm vessel]

There are two races though, how come you only got 1 extra candle?

[stiff trout]

Bcs I only collected 13 candles before I start cr in Valley, next two from the flying race and temple, the 1 extra from the sliding race

[worn trail]

Will the skater girl come in live? She isn't in beta now? Non beta player btw 😬

[lean ivy]

That's interesting, I didnt know that. Were buying seasonal candles not a thing back then?

[storm vessel]

There was progress wipe as well

[lean ivy]

Oh... that makes sense and is unfortunate. I haven't heard of any plans from TCG to bring them back possibly, so are they just gone for good?

[storm vessel]

People still have it in live

[lean ivy]

Wait- okay, I thought Rain's statement was for live. So live was able to get it no problem but beta doesn't have it legally?

[storm vessel]

Correct

[slender depot]

Has it been confirmed that the ultimate rewards are being brought back? Like, i know they said they plan to bring them somehow, but I'm not sure if they've already said how.

[lean ivy]

Ah... alright. Ty!

[worn trail]

She used to always skate in the rink right?

[storm vessel]

It's already brought back. The Christmas stuff. There antler -> deer mask, feast table -> bonfire

[vast grail]

I can’t clearly remember, but in the beginning, I vaguely remember she’s not around.

[slender depot]

Good way to look at it. 🤣

[vast grail]

Off topic but do you think I should report some new beta players (because the invites are closed for days now, it’s fishy who’s behind that account and whether their game is legit or not)?

Or should I let them be just because it could be a legitimate beta player who downloaded the app/played/opened very late?

[worn trail]

If they don't have anything they shouldn't have then I guess it's okay.

[lethal geode]

Some people went to the beta which I do not know how to enter

There’s a code

[hybrid talon]

U don't have proofs of that may be they just forgot about they got beta and enter now?

[pure path]

Nope, you can only legitimately have Beta from either of the stores. All other downloads are first and foremost dangerous to the player. There could be a dozen viruses added together with that installation and you couldn't know a thing - until it's too late.

And obviously, these downloads are against the ToS. So yeah if they admitted to getting it off of a third party you can report them

[iron geyser]

I first got beta on my android back when enchantment started but quickly stopped playing— only a few days ago did I log back into beta on that phone and access wasn’t removed and I was in the latest update (this isn’t related to the current conversation but i’m just curious why)

[pure path]

Oh wow that is very interesting indeed! It definitely shouldn't have happened, and I do wonder why your access remained since way back then.. Interesting..

[vast grail]

Unfortunately not Just talked to them recently and they just seem clueless about the game. (Idk if it makes sense to you that a beta tester don’t seem to know how to deepcall, but it seems weird to me)

Normally I just shrug it off though 🤔

[tough oracle]

Is there a way to report||the website that offers beta access illegally||?

[primal pagoda]

maybe #contact-the-mods and from there the mods can talk to the dev about that matter I’m not sure

[pure path]

You could contact @hardy carbon with the link so TGC is aware of it, but not much else to be done on our side

[tough oracle]

thank you! I'll do that 🙂

[robust knoll]

Just a curious question: what should i expect, if i don't collect/forge my candles for a few days with the new system? (It is satisfying to look at the numbers of a few days of worth candles descending then adding to my candle count.)

[daring parrot]

tbh no idea but I was wondering about that too.. Probably like, if u do a full or some cr and dont forge for idk, 3 days and then forge all at once, that boos will start to go down, but it wont change anything since you did collect ur wax, if that makes sense

I have no idea, I didnt check, but you can see for yourself

[robust knoll]

Then let me test it in the next few days. Haha

[pastel zodiac]

I‘d love to see a lightseeker ts in beta... I miss them

[silent lily]

I wish even after the season end, the skater still skates in the rink while wearing the ultimates

[blazing sail]

Did I imagine a 4-chevron tier?

[devout terrace]

I had 4 chevrons.

[silent lily]

What

[blazing sail]

So why did I start the day with 3?

[spark lance]

Same I start with 3

[silent lily]

I don't think there are 4 chevrons lol,
There are 4 tiers,
3 chevron
2 chevron
1 chevron
No chevron

[devout terrace]

Yesterday I had 4. Today 3

[thin shell]

how many waxes does office give during feast

[blazing sail]

I’ll check my video soon and see if I’m imagining it

[balmy ocean]

When does days of feast end?

[hollow compass]

You start with a visual of the previous day’s chevron. But as soon as you begin collecting wax, it changes back to 4/starts over.

[blazing sail]

I was at 2 yesterday and started at 3 today

[spark lance]

I did candles run. I start with 1 after collecting wax the chevrons reset to 3

[blazing sail]

Ok I just checked my video and I imagined the 4 lol

[devout terrace]

I must have too! Hmmmm

[pale junco]

Does anyone knows what the size of your friend's star and dots around it in friend constellation mean?

[storm vessel]

It already ended in beta

[devout terrace]

It shows how far your friendship tree is open.

[calm mist]

From what I have seen, you can think of it like the wax is weighted according to chevrons the moment you collect it. This means that if you’ve gone down to 1 chevron the day before and had about a third of the candle meter filled, the next day after reset you’ll still start with a third of the meter filled, just your chevrons reset. Since the tiers do also always go down when you’ve filled the meter again and not when you actually forge the candle, holding out on forging candles for a few weeks should not give you more or less candles then if you’d forged them immediately every time

[opaque yew]

Anyone tested the full candle run in beta after new mechanism implemented?

[blazing sail]

I’m sad this system doesn’t exist in live yet

I still need some candles before the days of feast start and this would make it so much easier to get a few per day.

[calm mist]

A few people actually... what do you want to know?

[opaque yew]

How many candles you all get not including eden and trial?

[devout terrace]

I can take you with me on my run!

[blazing sail]

Thanks for the offer! But I need my iPad free for other games. 😛

I should set my old iPad up as a Uber passenger device and only use it to have people pull me around while I’m afk 😂

[devout terrace]

Or a phone!

[calm mist]

You can get something around 14/15 candles +2 if you do the valley races at the very end...
So probably 16/17 candles if you optimize it

[pale junco]

Vault is the new wasteland after this new system

[blazing sail]

I often use my phone for other things while I’m on my iPad. Like right now I’m in Sky on my iPad but here on my iPhone

[opaque yew]

Isnt on Live we can get 18 daily? Just now I did both race and I get 16 in total

[devout terrace]

Sunny Airlines at your service. ✈️

[blazing sail]

I’m kind of laughing how everyone hated the original tier 2 capes with the feathers but everyone loves the phoenix cape with similar feathers

[tough oracle]

Yes but that’s a bug. Total candle shouldn’t change, but seeing that it’s beta it just doesn’t work perfectly yet. Edit: There’s a lot of info in the pins as well

[desert mango]

I just done every realm and got all wax-even from all trials , it’s still in testing phase and adjustments need making and I got .... 16 candles exactly ...

from what I tested earlier I managed to get 8 of those from just isle triumph and vault which I done in 30 minutes-maybe less ... that is awesome ... I think this alone will make many happy and it does prove this system works ..... even for me who loves farming all ..it did take some weight off my shoulders knowing if I wanted to stop now I could and it would be enough candles ... 🤍🕊️🤍

[drowsy nexus]

yesterday I farmed about exactly 10 candles, in about almost 3 realms
Today I login the game I see myself with 1 chevron :stickerGloomy:

[storm vessel]

Just need to start collecting and it will reset.

I think they have Chevron pool count separate from the candles, it's the circle that comes up when you collect enough for a candle.

[pure path]

I do wonder, will the prices of items change to accommodate for the reduced overall possible candle gain, the overall gain be boosted to not undershot the current Live, or just let it all be as is?

[spiral charm]

Ey guys will pass holders next season get free stuff from ts?

[pure path]

Because getting 10 candles right now is extremely easy, and that's awesome! But if we keep getting 195 candle TSs just 10 candles a day is not nearly enough...

@spiral charm That system is very much still in testing and development, so we have absolutely no idea at the moment

[kindred fossil]

was i hallucinating 4 chevrons the entire time

[calm mist]

I suspect they‘ll either adjust the curve so it won’t undershoot, or they‘ll add new ways of getting candles outside of the system

[kindred fossil]

even in my notes i wrote that it took down 2 chevrons during the first realm i ran

[tidal cradle]

can you not get as many candles anymore?

[pure path]

Huh, interesting.. It could have been some kind of bug? Idk if you gained more candles than usual tho?

@tidal cradle With the current, first version of the new system you get about 16 candles for a full run, although you can get the first 10 candles amazingly fast, but then it slows down a lot. We will see how the system evolves over time though.

And yeah I hope they add new ways to get candles Like doing emotes with friends or playing music or lighting strangers or something like that

[stark wadi]

may I ask how many wax we can have in new area? Will it have much as the Sanctuary islands?

[pure path]

Somewhere under 1 candle, I think someone counted 0.89? But not sure, would have to check that info

Yup here is where I saw that:
#beta-discussion message

[stark wadi]

I see, thank you, that good enough!

[spark lance]

hey, how many winged lights are in the new area?

[pure path]

5 total

[devout terrace]

Has anyone found the rock in Sanctuary?

[spark lance]

whoa.. there are 5?!

[pure path]

3 in Village, 2 in Hermit Valley

[spark lance]

oh gosh i need to go look again. thank you!

It seems to me after reading #news early peek that tgc want us to focus more on socializing than doing daily cr just for the sake of candles and so the real question here is that if this new candle forge system will really make us have more time with friends than what we normally have
I had answered that question in a feedback I gave but I wanna let other people give their opinion about it since everyone have a different life preoccupations

The best way to think about it is to ask ourselves these questions so tgc can get an insight on how to implement changes that make us experience the game the way they like us to
1- is cr and thus collecting cosmetics the main reason why u log in to the game?
2- Do u do cr just to enjoy ur time with ur sky friend while collecting candles?
3- would u prefer to talk play and enjoy ur time with ur friend in sky or another communication app and why?
4- would u exchange the time that u used to to do cr with .. with meeting ur ingame friends after u knew that forging the last tier candles takes more time than the other tiers?

[austere merlin]

#beta-feedback

[tough oracle]

I think I think it was said earlier that the people who do full cr are an extreme minority. For those who do full cr nothing will change though. Still the same amount of candles

[spark lance]

U can state what u think about all of this in a feedback to the devs
I hope this will help sky devs to get more info about how we like to play and the answer is definitely gonna differ from person to person.

[hidden knot]

1. Um... wow, that's very long. I don't know if the elders want us to be posting long stuff like this
2. I understand you have good intentions but it's probably best to let discussions happen naturally instead of trying to start one

[spark lance]

I read lots of people opinions here about it and just wanted to encourage others to share their opinion in a feedback to the devs
Sorry for the long paragraphs though

[dark sedge]

I hate the candle collection update very much. Let me explain why. I collect wax from all locations every day and get my 18-19 candles. The new update not only discourages players who diligently collect wax every day (they could give an extra candle if the light is collected at all locations), but now only I get only 16 candles!!! I'm very upset.
Candles are too expensive to buy for Ukraine and Russia so I collect as much wax as possible and now I will get less candles... CRY

[spark lance]

Ok, had to summarize it so peeps can read it

[crude turret]

This is beta
Things are broken
We test it so we can put it in live and everyone knows the max amount is a bit broken still
If you have thoughts, share it in #beta-feedback and remember to be kind

[empty river]

youre not supposed to get less candles than the current max, this is a bug

[hollow compass]

Anything that doesn't seem to be working as intended can and should be bug reported, which includes not getting as much wax as you previously did after this update.

[spark lance]

Im also sooooo angry with this new system... got all the candles, burnt all plants and got 16.25 candles. This new awful system is making me so anxious rn 😭😭😭

[hollow compass]

Please read what people are writing here about the bugged wax collecting.

[crude turret]

We literally are talking about it right now

[austere merlin]

It is due to a bug

[median oyster]

You get more wax as you start collecting and less as you keep on doing it. It balances out. If you get less candles then please report that as that is not intentional

[jade sundial]

TGC will probably tune the curve so that full CR right now gives same amount of candles as live (150 light pieces per candle).

But I wonder, after this system rolls out, will TGC tune the curve again every time they add new areas with new candles so the average is 150 light pieces per candle, or will they leave the curve untuned, thus diminishing the amount of new candles added.

[graceful thunder]

are the candle waxes supposed to be big spheres again because of amplified candle wax system?

[foggy atlas]

It’s happening to a lot of people who full candle ran in beta with the new system, I got 18 when I candle ran with the new system yesterday but it’s still happening to many that candles are missing so it’s definitely a bug
That won’t happen in live. The max obtained daily is meant to stay the same.
Do make sure to report if you got less than 18 candles.

[dim hare]

Can someone explain to me what the new wax update does? I'm not in beta and want to know more.

[foggy atlas]

@dim hare

New Daily Light FAQ by Iguana
#questions-and-help message

New Candle Collection In A Nutshell by lynx
#beta-discussion message

'Candles Forged' Graph Regarding the new Daily Light System by Oasis
#screenshots-and-videos message

[vital sentinel]

tbh im glad they considered to revamp the candle farm system since that means i can have more time to play with the mantas

and my friends too but i want to play with sanct mantas, they are cute :AKDJSKDJ:

[foggy atlas]

Yes, it’s great of them to take into consideration that there’s many who can’t/don’t want to fully cr and help em out

[dim hare]

Oh, nice. I hate golden wasteland even more now. The only reason I go there is because there's a lot of wax, but no, not even that anymore.

[foggy atlas]

Yep! The new system will also give people more of a choice
You can focus on realms you like/prefer

[dim hare]

The curve is too angled, it should be more gradual.

But I also hate all realms except prairie and forest so.. I guess I'm not getting any candles because the rewards just aren't worth it.

[empty river]

keep in mind that chart isnt based on beta, but from someone's understanding of the system

[lusty light]

That graph is just an example, play the game and see how the system actually works

[timid basalt]

i went to do valley last with still 1 chevron. still managed to get 1 candle each for both races, but i had to collect a small amount of wax before it registered

[dim hare]

I don't have beta. If I had beta I wouldn't be asking here.

[hollow compass]

We're not supposed to be making charts. We need to test this new system ourselves and find out what it means for our own game style.

Lia, the only thing available now is the blog post by TGC. And it said this is still in early development, so we don't really know more than you do.

[dim hare]

Even with just a blog post it sounds completely awful for people who do full crs. Less rewards, harder to open 2-4 player doors, less people in vault n' gw because the rewards will suck.

[onyx minnow]

what bugs me a bit is that the new system will basically be useless to people who really do a full cr in one go. the chevron system makes sense to people who take breaks.

[dim hare]

I wish they could make it a toggle. The toggle could account for the previous cr you did that day, and whatever and then if you don't have it on it would be normal. "farming mode"

[empty river]

do remember this is step one in a set of things theyre doing to make candle farming less tedious tho, this is focused on people that dont have all the time to do full candle runs

[lusty light]

The article clearly states that if you run the game fully you will still get the same amount of candles in the end as the current system

It’s not lesser rewards, it’s just weighted differently

[dim hare]

Yes, but the rewards are less exciting if you were to do.. let's say prairie last. So why would you bother doing it? It doesn't make any sense to weigh it for people who don't want that.
So like I said: a toggle would make sense.

[lusty light]

Ktjn said that an extremely small number of players do full candle runs, thats why they made this change, but are also trying to make sure those people don’t have a different experience overall

[onyx minnow]

ah, i understand. I had this notion that it would reward me more candles in the end, because i do a full cr in live. thanks for bringing that up.

[slim kayak]

i don't know how a toggle would work, since it could be exploited. someone could turn it on for the first 2 levels, and then turn it off to avoid the slower ones, giving them more candles than usual at the end.

anyways, it's ok to feel a bit frustrated and confused by the system. although it does make more sense when you play with it a bit more

[hidden knot]

I feel like if there was a toggle people would find a way to take advantage of it, running with the new system until the reward is less than it is now and then switching back to normal- oh! Aeras and I had the same thought

[dim hare]

No, like i said it would account for previous levels.

[lusty light]

It’s been 1 day since this system has been in beta and they said that it will take a while for them to make balancing changes and such, I don’t think we should have super strong opinions on something that just got added

[dim hare]

Well it sounds vrappy already

[lusty light]

You don’t have experience with the system, you’re getting mad over incomplete information

[hidden knot]

It's only been out for roughly a day and a half. Be patient. There will be changes made.

[dim hare]

Yeah, because I'm not being given information and all I hear is "later realms are less rewarding so anyone who is tired at the end of a full cr won't get rewards so why bother doing it"

[lusty light]

You’re not being given information because it’s very early in development and things are going to change dramatically

[slim kayak]

how i see it, players that are doing full runs will keep doing them, and players that only do a few realms will also keep doing that. this system just makes the latter group a bit more satisfied and less stressed out. the total rewards are exactly the same, its just that the slowdown gives the illusion that you aren't getting anything

[dim hare]

Well it's in the game. Nerds are gonna do testing on it so like??

[lusty light]

Yeah, and we are going to be testing for probably months, ktjn has even told us who have tested it (for one day so far) to wait and form our opinions

[vast bay]

Ktjn

I think it might be helpful to throw out your current perceptions of how to best/most efficiently farm Light on Live, and determine the best way for you personally to obtain the number of candles you want to collect per day. It's intentional that the Races don't reward 2 candles anymore, so people can choose to do races because they want to instead of because they feel they have to to optimize efficiency.

Regarding concerns about places that, in Live, are inefficient in for candle farming (e.g. Vault and its multiplayer door challenges) we will be reviewing other ways to incentivize players going to those places. However, those adjustments are not yet available for testing.

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[shrewd orchid]

whats the next ts

[empty river]

a mystery

[dim hare]

Okay here: make it a toggle every day so you can decide what type you want for the day. Good enough?

[lusty light]

Beta doesn’t get it early

[onyx minnow]

Imo, an additional maybe 4 candles to people who do a full cr would work with this system.

[slim kayak]

oh yeah! we'll be getting other ways to farm light later on. i wonder what that would look like
playing with mantas? little minigames?

[hollow compass]

You can leave suggestions and opinions in #beta-feedback . We're only just players here, so we can't change the system in any other way.

[dim hare]

Sounds annoying.. mantas aren't annoying, but minigames annoy me which is why I hate the races.

[lusty light]

And this system would make it so that you don’t have to do the races? If you don’t like them then you wouldn’t feel obligated to do them

[silver willow]

Oo that would be nice if it was like a relaxing thing to do and you get lights from it, just another way to have fun in the game

[dim hare]

Okay I take it back mantas are super annoying. Especially in ||eden|| and prairie.

[slim kayak]

i'm hoping for the old multiplayer minigames to come back in some way. those were fun

[hidden knot]

Playing with mantas sounds nice though Would give people a reason to remember where mantas are in-game

[hollow compass]

Some people love the mini games that we briefly had back in the game (from old beta). We're all different and TGC can only do so much to accommodate as many players as possible.

[tender oasis]

I like the races, and like mini games, but mantas in prairie village pls no, and butterflies

[spark lance]

If even the most harmless things become frustrating, it's usually a sign for me to take a break from the grind mode mindset or even sky in general

[vapid ingot]

but mantas helping moth get up to the temple

[dim hare]

It's not fun when I'm just chilling and talking to a friend and a manta grabs me and launches me into the air.

[tender oasis]

Now that i think back of it i never used those mantas, i always went from 8 player or clouds even as a moth. Flying race mantas are a good way to recharge continuously unless they cover your whole screen.

[coarse cape]

the only mantas I found super helpful are those mantas in Sanct that gives you a ride for that far away wl because I'm too lazy to fly that far by myself

[dim hare]

Okay I'm just wondering.. why do we have to spoiler ||Oreo|| but there's emojis and skybot says his name all the time.

[spark lance]

Good question

[lusty light]

Because oreo is a real life dog, but the fact that he’s in the game is a secret

[slim kayak]

oreo, as in jenova's dog, is not a spoiler. oreo in the 8 player puzzle is a spoiler because many players don't know he's there

[dim hare]

[spark lance]

Who's jenova? Tgc game dev?

[lusty light]

It depends on context when you bring him up basically, if you’re referring to in game oreo you have to spoiler tag it

He’s the founder of tgc

[sullen relic]

i'm not minding the mantas or even the bell tower cutscenes so much now that i'm used to flying around them -- what annoys me more is the unskippable aspects of the valley races (the doors taking a good while to open at the beginning, and now the extra light fragments at the end which delay the temple doors opening )

[dim hare]

Why can I not react to messages?

[slim kayak]

the cutscenes that are skippable are mostly ones that you can't move in. but for those ones, your skykid can move, so it's not really a true cutscene. seems like those are harder to give skips to

[little hound]

Go check out Oreo’s instagram. Cutest little ball of floof.

[spark lance]

I wish snowball fights were a thing in this game

[hollow cloak]

Wait, so looking at Ktjn's message, the races do NOT give two candles?
What does that mean?
Only one race gives a candle now even if you do both? Or either of the races can give you less than a full candle depending on how many chevrons you have...?

[dim hare]

Okay that would actually be fun. The snowball thing, I mean.
Also is chevron a car?

[empty river]

i think that means the chevrons should have an effect on what you get on the races

[royal venture]

As I know, races wasn't changed at all for now
We will see later

[dim hare]

Okay but like why are they named after a car?

[lusty light]

The race gives the same amount of light, but the value of the light changes as with the rest of the game

[hollow compass]

I mentioned earlier that I think there is an issue with the race candles being part of the total for the chevron, which in turn makes a full cr not give the usual amount.

[hollow cloak]

A Chevy is a car.
A chevron is a little arrow.
Like this
^

[coarse cape]

today I learn what it's actually called

[daring parrot]

ok, that huge chonks of wax are killing me xDDD

[royal venture]

Chaverons isn't a car really. It's the name of things on soldier's shoulders for example too. It's multiple-meaning word

[hidden knot]

Look up "chevron definition," you'll see that its talking about the little V shapes ^

[eager hatch]

I don't really like the new candle forging system like if it takes same total time as now and by the end u can barely see the wax charge your candle wallet it's kinda pointless like i already collect first the relams that give u more wax and by the end realms it's "slower" to make more candles
Plus playing with unstable/unreliable Internet connections make u dependent on seeing the wax charge your candle to confirm u got it

[slim kayak]

it's also a company

[random gull]

there's a fuel company called chevron too so it can be confusing. but chevron is a french word for the symbol you see next to the candles

[hollow cloak]

Actually the specific text formatting symbol
^
is called a carat, but a chevron is a similar shape to a carat.
It's hard to explain on Discord :blbsweat:

[little hound]

But Pasta, the Chevron system is actually benefitting those players who can’t squeeze in 2 hours a day to grind for candles.

[orchid nexus]

Chevron the gas station has a logo that's two chevrons, like « but pointing down...

And the diminishing chevrons in Sky candle rate are like having a military rank, but only getting demoted for having more experience

[eager hatch]

I think I don't fully understand it o heard it take the same amount of time 2:30 hr with the new system
Also i don't get the multiplier thing like if u do prairie u can get more that thr 4 candles?
If the system multiplied the amount of wax let's say u do prairie first with multipliers and get 8 candles instead of 4 counting to a max of 18 candles collected per day it would make more sence there

[vapid ingot]

Yeah, isn't this system is help the player can't Full CR get more candle a day?

[hollow cloak]

That amount of time is only relevant for people who do full candle runs, though.
This system saves time for people who play more casually and don't run every realm because they don't have time.
If you still can invest the full amount of time, you'll get the same amount of candles as under the live system, so this shouldn't (numerically) affect you.
It's most relevant to people who can't do full runs

[hollow compass]

Yes, if you only have an hour or less, you should be able to get more candles than before, basically.

[eager hatch]

im so confused xd

[hidden knot]

Hm.... Now Im kind of worried about the people inbetween these two extremes..
Like we know this benefits those that can't spend that long on candle runs and doesn't impact those that do full candle runs.. But what about those that can do 2/3 of the realms? Would they have a slight disadvantage compared to the current system? (I'm not entirely sure if this makes sense but I hope it does ^^;; )

[lusty light]

An extreme minority of players do full candle runs daily, this change is to support how the majority of the playerbase is getting candles while not changing the experience of those extreme players

[eager hatch]

I guess it's that i just don't understand how the multiplier works

[orchid nexus]

If the curve is weighted the way I think it is, then at all points until the very end of a candle run, you'll be ahead of the old linear rate of collection

[hollow cloak]

It shouldn't affect those people too much, since the chevron dropoff is only significant after you hit 1 chevron.
I didn't keep track, but I don't think that I hit a single chevron until I had run through most of the realms already (of course, it also depends on which realms you start with!)

[hidden knot]

Ohh I see. Thank you guys!
edit: and dont worry! I wasn't gonna put that hypothetical in feedback. i was just thinking outloud I guess

[stark knot]

Other way around, but feedback has been requested on your own experience rather than a hypothetical other's

[little hound]

Melon, when I did a full run on Prairie and Forest yesterday, I was able to forge 10 candles. That’s 2 more candles than the usual. If I were to farm a 3rd realm, say Wasteland, I would’ve forged a total of 13ish candles. That’s already a huge help from the chevron system.

[orchid nexus]

I found some chevrons in my emojis

[sullen relic]

how long until the channel name is changed to "(chevron-emoji) chat"?

[rapid terrace]

Something to keep in mind though, is that once this system is working as intended, if they add more wax to new areas, the contribution to a full candle run will be much less. Though that’ll probably help tgc maintain consistent candle economy for the foreseeable future

[eager hatch]

Lemme see
If u do prairie now in live u get 4.33 cabdle and it takes about 15-20min
What happens in new system?

[little hound]

New system allowed me to forge 5 candles.

[hollow cloak]

Just continuing this thought-
Now that I think about it, my runs might be dictated by how many chevrons are left and not necessarily how many realms I do, since chevrons can make even Prairie return very few candles.
This is... Interesting. Candle run mentality is shifting... :blbsweat:

[sullen relic]

i'm actually curious about what would happen going forward with new candle spots, but that's probably a discussion that's well beyond the current scope of things when the current system is still being iterated on

[hidden quarry]

@fossil linden it should be to your right when you enter the valley portal.

[little hound]

Also, the chevrons are measuring the light you collected so best to farm realms that don’t take so much time to sweep.

[timid basalt]

also needs 1 spirit from wasteland to pass thru the gate

[hollow cloak]

The best way to get answers is to just test it yourself. We aren't supposed to share numbers anyways because the system is very much in development and will probably change quite a lot over time.
(That's a tl;dr for the pins. Go check the pins :pSkyPeek:)

[spark lance]

Hm that's a good point. As Sky gets more mature this system has to constantly adapt to new areas and additional candles. Idk how maintainable that is

[eager hatch]

I think at some point they'll stop adding more wax because now in one day u can get close to 20 and even tho I would love to get 100 candles daily it could make it to easy to take maybe just 2 days and ready for a ts or event and people wouldn't buy candle too

[hollow compass]

@fossil linden you need a spirit from Wasteland. It's a good idea to complete all realms before embarking on new season testing.

[hidden quarry]

@fossil linden let's keep convo here, as that channel is used to look for people to play with. the 0/1 means that you need at least 1 spirit from the wasteland constellation to enter, as chezka said.

[fossil linden]

Got it thank you

Thank you for the help I was really confused sorry for the trouble :>

[gaunt prism]

Will the coliseum continue with this new appearance forever?

[lusty light]

Yes

[hollow compass]

Being part of beta is also about testing the whole game and any other new features that might pop up during the testing period, even if the focus may be on the new season to begin with.

[orchid nexus]

If new wax is added, the whole collection rate would have to scale to match the total amount, so adding a new realm wouldn't mean the contribution of the new real would be less that others... unless you run the new realm last. If you run it first, it would contribute more to your candle count! Thinking in terms of a nonlinear relationship of time to candles can be a little confusing 🙂

[hollow cloak]

I actually liked the old Coliseum better

[vapid ingot]

add new wax = more CR time needed

[orchid nexus]

that was true before as well

[hollow compass]

But if a new area is added and there are both candles and darkness plants there, why wouldn't it add to the total?

[orchid nexus]

it would, I would assume. unless the total number stayed the same, and wax became worth less overall, which I don't think would happen

[eager hatch]

They could set lets say 30 candles max per day regardless wich reslm u choose to get them from
@sullen relic we thinking alike xd

[sullen relic]

i was actually just thinking that if the candle economy becomes an issue with adding more wax, maybe actually having a hard cap limit to how much you can earn in one day would be a good idea -- they'd then be able to add new areas with wax and let players choose which areas they might want to explore for wax on any particular day

[orchid nexus]

that's inflation. time increases, pay stays the same, your currency becomes worth less.

[spark lance]

But prices wouldn't change either, no?

[orchid nexus]

Right, prices staying the same but currency being devalued would be a problem for players. Balancing an economy is tricky!

[sullen relic]

yeah, inflation in terms of "each piece of wax is worth less of a candle" wouldn't be a good idea -- the concept that PASTA and i were thinking of was more like, "you can only earn wax from prairie to valley, then anything you collect in wasteland doesn't add to anything because you've already earnt your limit for the day"

[hollow compass]

I'm still concerned that some areas will become desolate because they have less wax in them.

[orchid nexus]

That seems like players would be angry if they didn't realize they are collecting useless rewards. I personally would not like that

[eager hatch]

Isle

[coarse cape]

vault

[orchid nexus]

since this is all speculation though, remember to try out the system as is and give reactions and feedback on that

[hollow cloak]

I feel like even if there is a significant dropoff for wax, I'd still want to collect it and not have to worry about a collection cap. I don't usually run everything, but sometimes when I'm with friends we'll chat and just casually run through the realms. I like having something meaningful to do (like collecting wax) even when I'm with people, because it gives a common thing to focus on besides just sitting around and talking.
If there's no point to continuing to farm, I'm less likely to continue playing the game, even to hang out with friends, because eventually conversation tapers.

[sullen relic]

yeah fair, it would probably be a good idea to actually just disable the wax pieces once you've hit the limit or have them change colour...but yeah, all fanmade speculation and ideas here

[hollow compass]

Well, Isle will always be empty-ish, since it's a tutorial area, apart from the Prophecy cave. But Vault is getting less and less traffic, which makes getting certain spirits more difficult for new players.

[eager hatch]

Actually it would alow player to get wax and then choose whdre to hang with friends

[desert mango]

Something that is awesome ... I farmed isle,vault and triumph inc races and got 8 candles in about 30 mins.. that’s amazing for those who don’t have time or don’t like candle runs
being a full candle runner myself I done a few realms and thought 💭 if I wanted I can just chill (it gave me that option) .. it was nice to have that to fallback on ... The new system relieved that pressure to get those candles ... the new system it’s so awesome ...for everyone ..plus... I still get to do complete candle run as usual and get the exact same amount of candles (once it’s been tweaked) and I’d hate that to ever change 🤍🕊️🤍

[vapid ingot]

for me i will make other map wax earn lesser maybe 20% lesser after reach the limit cap, if you disable it maybe players will be angry

[toxic marten]

Are the chevron levels going down if you forge one candle or multiple?

[stark knot]

They go down with collection, not forging

[spark lance]

Sorry I’m just joining in, but I’m trying to understand something about this new system. So, does this candle system make it where a “full CR” would be less than all areas? (Ex: I get 18 candles from prairie to valley, and I can’t get anymore after that) I’m trying to figure out how starting wax can be worth more, yet we still have the same candle-per-day-cap.

[stark knot]

Check graph in pins

[desert mango]

each chevron has its own bank that gets lower as you collect more wax

[orchid nexus]

No, that was a speculative idea. The current system is supposed to make the whole CR worth the same.

[hollow cloak]

I'm not sure if this helps but like-

Imagine it like this: you can divide 18 multiple ways. If you split a run up into two points, a time at the beginning and a time at the end...
9 and 9 add up to 18. You get the same number at the beginning and the end.
10 and 8 add up to 18. You get more at the beginning, and less at the end.

They both add up to 18, but with the chevron system, it's split up differently. Live is equal across the board. But they both add up to the same number.

[spark lance]

sigh math

[spark lance]

Thanks so much, that plus the graph somebody told me to look at in pins have made the system a lot more understandable. Hoping that TGC includes an in-game explanation of this system for new players, cuz otherwise we’ll be posting explanations a LOT

[lusty light]

Don’t try to think about it in numbers, that makes it harder to understand

[little hound]

What if the future developments will allow you to forge max candles without farming all 6 realms. Like all you have to do is collect light so that your candle meter goes up before you can tap it to forge max daily candles.

[lusty light]

Ktjn as said it’s not about the numbers it’s about the feeling

[little hound]

So that when you reach max daily candle count, you can hang out with the creatures, explore, or even hang out with your friends.

[tiny nacelle]

i think the new system is easiest to understand if you do a CR on your own, to see how it works first hand, yknow

[spark lance]

Maybe? I’m definitely interested in seeing what the new systems will look like as a whole, since TGC stated in the blog post that this is just a “piece of the puzzle.” System changes can be a little spooky, but I’m personally really excited to see the game and how it’s played change from these systems

[tender oasis]

I think i have another issue with the system, which is I can’t count with it unless I do a full run. Or I can, but it would require more energy than it worth to do. In the old system if i’m in ‘goal oriented mode’, i know how much i have to do to get something and i can decide what is the best way for that which i still enjoy. New system is not something i can plan with, which can be frustrating sometimes. Starting somewhere and finish somewhere depending when you reach what you want.

[eager hatch]

They should at some point put a max of candles lets say 50 candles and also balance the amount of candle in each realm so people can choose their favourite place to get the wax diversifying where player play
U put a message like "u reached your max candle for the day go hug a friend" u can tap to don't show again and so keep adding new áreas with nice wax

[spark lance]

I did experience at little in beta and yea it’s feels nice gathering candles faster...for my understanding it’s like when u gather enough to get one candle the system goes down a little and then ur at >> instead of >>>

[faint hazel]

wait why would adding a new area give you less candles compared to normal. wouldnt the scale just change?

[desert mango]

a full candle run don’t take any more or less time than it normally would ...

[stark knot]

This will become possible with time and experience

[little hound]

Or they can squeeze in waxes in each realm so you can reach max daily candle. BUT once you tapped the candle to forge, you can’t collect light from other realms anymore.

[eager hatch]

The thing is that if u still want 18 candles u still need to cr everything with the same amount of time

I might go throw some of these ideas in the wish channel you guys should too we got some knowledgeable sky kids in here hehe

[hollow cloak]

I think it depends on the person, I personally find a math-based system easier to understand when you're thinking about it in terms of math.

We don't have actual numbers, so yeah, we shouldn't be trying to produce hard data. But even filler numbers help me to understand better, because I can apply the concepts directly to a number I'm familiar with.
...If that makes any sense. :SkyWhew:

[spark lance]

does anyone know if there is going to be a black version of the veteran capes?

[desert mango]

I really think peoples need to do a candle run and think of what options it gives you while you are playing with the new system... example : oh I can stop now I have done 20-30 minutes candle run and go and do some homework etcetera etcetera ...🤍🕊️🤍

[rare birch]

so i completed the last mission. it is SO bittersweet because in your skykid’s view, YOU are reaching the dream with the skating girl. and the music just goes with the flow of my feels..

man i want to play that scene over again

[hollow compass]

Yes, the white and the black versions were in beta briefly, and people who bought them can still wear them. They're probably just being redesigned.

[spark lance]

thank you!!

[oak berry]

you can do it again

[slim kayak]

i've relived the final quest like, at least 10 times now

[stark knot]

I don't think there will ever be be a tie to forging versus collecting (as the system currently works), it would be too easy for a person to make the wrong choice and receive less candles for equal collection

[orchid nebula]

So it’s 8 seasonal candles per realm right? Anyone notice you get more or less wax? Like yesterday I my wax meter filled. Then today I went to each realm 4 times got all 8 and it seems like I’m missing one candle...? (But I’m not)

[tender oasis]

Which would take us at least 720 full runs to cover all the possible order how you can do the realms after each other

[eager hatch]

Its confusing when they speak in a time bases like of u where collecting against the clock

[random gull]

I haven't even done it once yet

[little hound]

If chevrons measure the light you collected, then does that mean, by default, the most efficient way to make use of the chevron is to farm the realm with candle cakes first?

[oak berry]

i think ive done it 4 times, its so fun

[slim kayak]

do it whenever you feel like you can kai! it's very pretty, but the fireworks are very flashy at the end

[stark knot]

Presumably you follow a relatively fixed pattern in collecting

[random gull]

that is why I haven't yet

[eager hatch]

I think I would maintain my regular route the highest wax lvs prairie Valley forest wasteland

[desert mango]

The only thing the new system does is help... it doesn’t impact negatively at all ... or change the way people play ...it gives certain types of players some leeway when it comes to getting candles ... 🤍🕊️🤍

[eager hatch]

Imma have to be more careful when playing in bad Internet if u can barely see the wax register

[tender oasis]

Not really maybe I should from now on

[tiny nacelle]

as someone who does full CRs and gets burnt out very easily, im excited for the new system,,, i wont have to worry about getting all the wax if i end up getting tired or sick of CRs

[spark lance]

Same

[mental trail]

How many candles you get with the new system? I'm kind of confused with how it works still too

[tiny nacelle]

totalcandle amount stays the same!!

[slim kayak]

it's supposed to be the same, but as of right now, it's a bit buggy, so it's less because of that

[pale junco]

They removed the wax from sprit memories darkness plants ( ꈍᴗꈍ) yess

Finally i don't have to relive them over and over again

[eager hatch]

To me it is getting kinda annoying it feels more like a chore than enjoying the gameplay even tho I lovd flying and im pretty fast at it

[random gull]

if you are getting less candles with a full run though make sure you bug report it. they need to know this info so they can keep fixing things.

[spark lance]

Thinking about how we gonna end really rich at the end of this season in Beta like omg

[desert mango]

Night night peeps , take care 🤍

[spark lance]

Its nice to have something essential to test in beta after the season of Dreams and Days of Feast are finished for testing. Go about testing the new candle system as the gameplay you enjoy and send feedback and/or bugs. And remember it is a work in progress

[lusty light]

You get like... 5 light in total from reliving those spirit memories

Activating a spirit doesn’t give you light

But certain spirits that grow dark plants during the memory give light, but as I said it’s so minuscule it doesn’t matter

[eager hatch]

For the broke kids every wax count xd
I got kinda mad when i heard they intentionally didn't put wax in fire trial so players dont go frustrate there....
_im still frustrating in the other trials at least leave me get 1 candle in each trial or something _:sqwarlockDed:

[pale junco]

Yeah i know. I ment the wax form the darkness plants crying lady's memories in forest and the sleepy man's memories from daylight

Yea but
does this happens with me only that if i skip a certain amount of wax and at the end the exact amount that i left is required for one candle

[slim kayak]

the trials intentionally have very few candles to discourage from people doing them everyday. you aren't supposed to do all 4 trials everyday

they did have more in beta, but they took most of them out

[eager hatch]

Thanks hehe just the regular candle run in live

[tender oasis]

Getting spirit wax for the first time for new players will be also affected by this system?

[lusty light]

Why are you putting yourself through frustration and stress for .01% of a candle

[spark lance]

The new candle system? You don’t have to test it out. You can just enjoy flying through the realms and report bugs if you come across them

[spark lance]

And still I know people how do it every day like

[empty river]

this exactly why they reduced the amount of wax in earth trial lol

[slim kayak]

and in water too

[random gull]

man I think I run a full candle run maybe like once a week and only cuz I got an uber I'm always broke because of that

[eager hatch]

Xd thanks just the regular cr in live

Regarding trials at least my skills improve
:pBuffMoth:
Candle total in trials air 0.07 water 0.07 eath 0.09

[tender knoll]

Where are the crabs

[stark knot]

With the rock?

[short wing]

does anyone know how much wl there is in the new seasons area? :))

[tender knoll]

Im in wasteland and i see no crabs

[orchid nexus]

my guess: at least 1

Go exploring and find them!!

[pale junco]

No lol now it doesn't even count

Hold up there are 9 wl in new area now

[short wing]

Waaaaa

[orchid nexus]

Beta is for testing! And it's a chance to see if exploration works as designed. Knowing the feeling of exploring rather than having things described to you or directions given will improve your ability to give valuable feedback. I'm personally against giving explicit directions to other beta testers, so I'm trying to cause confusion 😄

[tender oasis]

The other 4 are just skykids with glow spell

[orchid nexus]

Since I'm on discord a fair amount, I get spoilers pretty frequently, so I also see beta as a personal race against seeing spoilers!

[cobalt crater]

they added more wl? 👁

[orchid nexus]

The new area added more. but the number in the new area hasn't changed

[random gull]

is Aeras cosplaying a shinyboi again

[slim kayak]

shhhhh don't tell anyone

[pale junco]

So even after so many updates yeti is not back

[lusty light]

Imagine being a mod and not getting spoiled

[desert mango]

“I just got in from work and so tired ..oh no I need to farm and it will take me ages !!! WAIT!!! .. thanks to tgc’s new system .. I can play for 20 minutes and have plenty of candles before I sleep ..💤 ...perfecto

Goodnight 💤🌙

[vast bay]

Ktjn

names in beta are always subject to change by the time they reach live.

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[stark knot]

Not all requested changes are implemented, I feel weird going up the hill to enter a valley

[lusty light]

I mean

Valley used to be called mountain before launch

I think tgc likes valleys

[random gull]

valley just sounds pretty I guess \

[pale junco]

[empty river]

the valley in the valley of the valley ✊😔

[lusty light]

The hermit valley is a valley tho, even though we are climbing up a mountain we slide down the valley in between

[stark knot]

More of a crevasse

Although hermit crevasse sounds.. well, I would choose valley too

[pale junco]

In a valley in valley lives a valley that is a valley

[woeful kayak]

[tiny umbra]

I live in a valley hermit valley is somewhat accurate (or at least I never questioned its valley-ness)

[stuck willow]

Hey guys does the new candle forging thing make the cr faster and if it does how much time does it take the normal cr is 2 hours

[slim kayak]

a full candle run would take the same time. but you get candles faster at the beginning, and slower at the end. the system helps players that can't do full runs everyday

[terse flame]

Hermit valley
Man I can’t believe my bedroom got into the game

[stark knot]

It would be the same as now (wherever has the highest concentration), but it would provide a bit more light

[hollow cloak]

That's what testing is for :stickerCelebrate:
We're supposed to test the system, see how it feels, send feedback... Remember that we shouldn't just be trying to find the optimal way to play the system - they are literally making the system for us, so we should see what feels like too much/too little so that they can adjust it accordingly, not the other way around

(Although of course always keep in mind that it's quite generous of TGC to take feedback when they don't have to, and the final system may not satisfy everyone)

[pale junco]

Actually this system takes everyone into account, the people who have time for cr and those who don't. Nothing much would change. For people who have less time can do cr till 2 tiers when it's fastest. Those who do full cr won't be affected as it takes same time

[stoic glen]

#beta-screenshots-videos idk if this is helpful but my friend sent me this

[spark lance]

I still don’t exactly understand the new system. Could someone explain it? The news doesn’t really make sense to me

[stark knot]

There was some hinting at other ways that light will be available in the future, but they are still in internal development

[valid terrace]

All Candles% speedrun

[vast bay]

Ktjn

I think it might be helpful to throw out your current perceptions of how to best/most efficiently farm Light on Live, and determine the best way for you personally to obtain the number of candles you want to collect per day. It's intentional that the Races don't reward 2 candles anymore, so people can choose to do races because they want to instead of because they feel they have to to optimize efficiency.

Regarding concerns about places that, in Live, are inefficient in for candle farming (e.g. Vault and its multiplayer door challenges) we will be reviewing other ways to incentivize players going to those places. However, those adjustments are not yet available for testing.

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Ktjn

I think it might be helpful to throw out your current perceptions of how to best/most efficiently farm Light on Live, and determine the best way for you personally to obtain the number of candles you want to collect per day. It's intentional that the Races don't reward 2 candles anymore, so people can choose to do races because they want to instead of because they feel they have to to optimize efficiency.

Regarding concerns about places that, in Live, are inefficient in for candle farming (e.g. Vault and its multiplayer door challenges) we will be reviewing other ways to incentivize players going to those places. However, those adjustments are not yet available for testing.

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[lusty light]

It’s not supposed to be about efficiency and minmaxing

[valid terrace]

It’ll make the idea of partial CRs a lot better

[pale junco]

Yes but no it depends

If you have less time this system will help you get more candles in less time.

But if you do full cr it will take the boredom away as it will be rewarding to get more candles in less time

Tgc said that this system is there to help players and take away the "burden" of cr also at the same time helping the people who have less time for cr. Both of these were cons that were present for long time.

It's not about speeding up the cr but to make it enjoyable

Yeah it's upto the player.
Personally i will do cr in breaks. Tier by tier

[spark lance]

Woah, that sounds like a good idea

[sand dawn]

I don’t think it’s rewarding towards the end.. doing all of wasteland and getting only 2 candles is no fun

I didn’t even bother with vault at that rate

[spark lance]

Off-topic, but seraph is your profile pic an octoling? super pretty

[lusty light]

Yes ☺️

[pale junco]

Yea, i'm excited for it to come in live as i don't do cr in beta lol
All my friends either robots that do cr in one run or just hate it lol
I know they all will be happy

[valid terrace]

I might be overanalysing, but...with the Days of Feast staff...can skids be spirits? What are the borders of what a spirit can be? Eden (AKA Shofgouaoasif) ||turns us into spirits upon death||...

[spark lance]

I’m excited because it’ll be great for students. I might be able to study for finals and do a CR in the same day

[valid terrace]

I’m just absolutely starved for the spirit lore I crave, you have to forgive me

[stark knot]

Staff?

[pale junco]

#lore-discussion-spoilers
Read the pins

[valid terrace]

ye I know Office is one giant Easter egg but just
give me spirit lore

[tiny umbra]

Feel like spirit is the “back then” and the skykids are the “now”
Personally I think the office staff are just skykids who got pulled aside like “hey hiya you wanna volunteer for the holidays”

[unreal crown]

So do I have to shut the game down and take breaks for it to go back to 3 meters?

[spark lance]

I mean NO. Sorry

[stark knot]

Daily reset

[random gull]

the chevrons reset at midnight pacific time with the candles and quests!

[quick harbor]

Hey guys wheres the Christmas stuff in office I-

I wanted to buy the bow tie to see how it would look on a skykid before I thought of buying it in live but the spirit aint there-

[random gull]

I haven't checked but it's possible that days of feast ended in beta. we do test things early and often testing is shortened compared to live

[spark lance]

It ended i guess. The spells aren’t at the boat at home anymore either

[stark knot]

And escort spirit is gone

[quick harbor]

[random gull]

I think the community has named the office npc Paul

[spark lance]

Perfect

[quick harbor]

Can someone send me really close ups and side views of the bow tie?

[kindred fossil]

haven't you claimed any holly pendant spells from the boat?

also am i the only that waits for the office NPC to finish talking before blasting into the office? i feel bad for flying away as soon as i'm in

[tranquil ether]

I think they mean the grumpy spirit bow tie wait no they said something about days of feast earlier nvm
And no I just blast off into office as soon as I’m in ;D

[kindred fossil]

earlier posts indicates that they're talking about the holly pendant

[tender knoll]

Vault archive seems brighter

[vernal nexus]

Does anyone what is the quest giver in season of dreams?

[stark sundial]

I hope the new holly pendant doesn't glitch through fire boi pants and so many different stances like the black bow tie

[silk dagger]

I'd like to ask about Season of Dreamss stuff!

Are there pants in the new season?
Is there a video of the expressions of Spirits?

[kindred fossil]

yes, 2 pants
and yes, simply search it up on youtube, there's many videos exploring the new area, showcasing cosmetics + emotes etc, etc.

[silk dagger]

Thank you so much

[kindred fossil]

the guide was already shown in the teaser trailer, she's seen watching the young skater

[spark lance]

I wonder why the dreams quest giver isn’t wearing the ultimate gifts?

[tough oracle]

I like replying to them, either in my head or just typing it out in game hehe

[spark lance]

I just met a moth in Forest Elder Temple without a cape. They didnt know what to do. But they only spoke chinese and I don’t

[kindred fossil]

that's easily explained through the quests

[rapid stirrup]

is there a spirit in the valley ice rink that is a collect the fragments?

[kindred fossil]

leap from gratitude

[rapid stirrup]

interesting. it was activated somehow, but the fragments were gray and i don't have the emote

[kindred fossil]

that happens from time to time, it's been glitched as long as i've been here

[rapid stirrup]

ah, good to know, ty!

[tender oasis]

There was also an old meditation fragment collecting mini quests there. Seems like everyone keeps seeing these pretty active ghosts but i never met any

[rapid stirrup]

those were removed a while ago right? after being activated by mistake?

[kindred fossil]

yes, but some of them can be activated briefly, the one at forest for example

[maiden ingot]

How do you guys feel about the beta candle system?? From what I understand if you want to collect your max candles you’ll need to do the full cr regardless?? If that’s the case I’d rather stick with the current system. I actually enjoy cr anyway personally but what do you guys think? I’m not in beta by the way just very much interested in this new cr system

[vapid stag]

I think they're adding it to benefit the majority of people who can't/don't do full candle runs. As someone who only does full candle runs every once and a while, knowing I'll get a good number even when I can't play a lot of levels rules, I'm a big fan! If you habitually do full candle runs the new system is designed to basically not change anything for you, so it'll be the same

[maiden ingot]

I guess that it could work out well for both parties and therefore more players getting more total candles per day. Those that enjoy cr can still profit from full cr and those that don’t I suppose would get more wax than they currently are

Ahhhh see I hadn’t really thought of it that way until now. Been really busy with work and other things but yea I suppose it would work out better for the majority of players and I’m all for that as well

[vapid stag]

What I'm most curious about is some of the new systems they're hinting at 👀 I think there will be more to discuss then, but right now we don't even have enough detail to speculate