#beta-discussion
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Will forget fire trial
If u beta text do u get free season pass?
i just hope they make a few new daily tasks next season 
omg i forgot that the 15th is when i have an outdoor holiday ice show AHHHHH
You would get a free pass but only in beta
"complete fire trial in the cave of prophecies/relive the manta call spirit" oh they extended slow mode
please dont make us complete trials for dailies, though we dont have isle dailies anyways
or the chair dude in vault...
aHAHAHA no
Shovel all the snow off the village houses.
Waiting for the new season in anticipation
also more season quests, i dont mind if they are difficult. (4 is not enough for current season)
NO 
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guide a moth
Im so impatient on waiting for the new season ;-;
Has the new season for beta been released yet or will it be released soon? I saw a bunch of screenshots of the new season trailer in #screenshots-and-videos, when I feel like it should go in #seasons-events-chat
also new medi questions
"have tea with the skater girl"
remember that the season wont start on the 15th
Someone who’s been in beta, how long after the beta season ends (in this case, prophecy) does the new season typically come out (dream season)? I understand if there’s no real and for this question
Dec 15th?
close to the end of live season. aka soon™️
Has anyone made the Sk8er girl joke yet 
👁👄👁
you. go to feedback channel and say it. now

around 1-2 weeks b4 season end in live
yep, very soon... maybe before live season ends so maybe next week.. but again no guarantee
new daily task: don’t fall off the ledge before the pond
I can't waitflr the new area that's by the racing track,also how we get there ,do we just take a route away fro, race or is there a completely different path,so many questions
beta gen yesterday : 
beta gen today : 
I think when season of prophecy ends in live new season will come into beta hahahh
Omg the village can be such a good place to play hide and seek haha
I was reading the press release and they said breathtaking views and it made me think of a winter breakfast cafe
so cozy
Mm yes skating with the girl like it’s dancing with the stars
That's just relive the daily spirit that we relive lol, no one actually flies back up there... do they?
i hope there’s a fireplace with hot cocoa
skating rink at home maybe?? 
new daily task: collect 15 FULL ascended candles in eden
I just went to beta Eden to get the wing buff for chibi mask, I’m preparing for the home invasion of the dreams houses, its me, I will invade them
That's not how prophecy beta play started ig
i just continue flying instead of landing on the ice or stopping sjfkfh
mind if i become your partner in crime
Meditate in the Village Lodge: Do you prefer cocoa with or without marshmallows?
yea it started even before sanct ended in live iirc
still kinda taking a break but thought I’d peek in. We talking about next season trailer here too?
Yes!
I don’t know i was just thinking xD
#bringbackwinterhometheme
In general new season in beta starts almost couple of days after all the invites were done
hi kai! yes, we are all very excited 
Dont worry Kai its all cooled down here
beta is lonely, but somehow more peaceful
FBI OPEN UP!!!
i see it all. the. time.
maybe the maintenance will be for the beta season update 
im currently expelling my excitement in another server
I will drag you wordlessly when I see you online the minute the season update comes 👁️👁️
kai i hope you are feeling better soon enough to see the start of the dreams test 
Yes when you play any instrument nobody will harm you hahaha. Like honking very aggressively
maintenance =/= update
I miss the people a bit :/
Server maintenance is different than update, they are picking right ppl in the game with updats
Me: Let’s stay up until midnight to see if season arrives in beta!
School, common sense, sensible me: no
Are there any plans for TGC Pins that can be use for QR scan not NFC? Becoz, my phone doesn't have NFC. I'm hoping someday to could be QR scan.
Will ice rink be back 😙
so this time the ice rink will stay forever xDD
I just want to say I’m super excited to be testing with you guys this time around 💗💗 I messed up getting in twice and I’m so glad I made it in! To bug hunting! 🐛🪲
my last braincell: let's do it anyways, and for no reason!
currently living on a military base for two weeks so my school exempt me for the weeks I’m staying so I get to play sky and make music

As I have played sanctuary and Prophecy in beta ,and got in dreams beta as well I can say after the initial adrenaline rush of doing totally new trials ,you get busy with real life and live version
legend has it that ... everything will change
My guess for when season coming out on beta is December fourth, because there’s going to be a 3 hour outage
since all seasonal map stay in game after season so then we can come there to play everyday 
𝐢 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐛𝐮𝐠𝐬🐛
I’ve been logging into sky for dailies and such mostly with ubers so I’ll definitely be on for testing season of dreams. I just don’t know exactly how active I’ll be in discord this time around
depends on the day I guess
if season begins in early january on live, we'll probably begin testing next week or so, going by how we always get to test a week or two before preorders go up in live. (estimation, not fact)
@spark lance please don't use special fonts in chat, it upsets the mods and bots 
im so hyped skskkss
i thought new season come as 29 december lmao
Gonna go to genchat for some extreme reading and keeping up with texts
you can make bold text that doesn’t confuse the bots by putting ** on either side of the text you want to bold
hyped
hyped scared
still sad i can't test with y'all, but i'm definitely sticking around and will play the season when it comes to live. super hyped for the season. 
✨omega super hyped✨
there being a small snow village makes me wish for spirit NPCs that arent dead :( i want to see it be lively... id want a couple of NPCs just hanging around even though its not coherent plotwise
I keep seeing screen shots of the new place in beta where is this and where can I find it?
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hyped
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There's one thing I really want to do, that's reason: please let the hats exist independently of my hair, wearing a hat makes me bald makes me suffer.
I wanna play more sky but my phone has to
charge 
ultimate gift: so we gonna have the lost child dress and shoes?
ooh hats
The season is not being tested yet, the screenshots are from the teaser ^^
I’m a big pile of love today.
I love you TGC 
It will be announced in #beta-announcements when we can test it
I can't wait to test the season
thank God for winter break
Ok the first thing I thought when I saw the teaser is dang, that’s an epic role play place (I hope we can go inside houses >w<)
ikr
I wanna rp on sky
We can use hats as accessories but no, we always go bald when we wear them (except the birthday hat)
LOST CHILD SKIRT AND THE SHOES TO PLAY ON ICE OMEGALUL 
That one in the rhythm mask in the teaser has some epic clothes ngl
Also did we have our travelling spirit system discussion here or is it done ?
We talked about this too much from yesterday until today
Let me tell u something every time I think the devs done their best they outdone themselves even more with every season
it looks amazing and can’t wait to test it 
I just want the guiter spirit before the new TS system hits live
what if,, ice skates change how you skate on ice,, 
HOPE WE GONNA HAVE ICE SKATE TRAIL 
We'll see what TGC has created for us.
Reading the season description made me emotional and grateful for TGC. They make wonderful, unique and touching seasons and story for us. 
Level two capes?? :0
The emphasis again tells you: the TS system is incomplete and there is no official decision about how it will look and when to change that system in live. Our opinion will affect the completion of the system so please give your opinion in feedback
The new area looks like it's on the right below the little area at the end of the races
Will we have a relaxing season, also you can see one of the spirits on the left, a orange/blue light
, but not the shape. Will we have 2 quest givers?
It said "friendly competition" if I'm not mistaken. I'm definitely excited for that
Man, I wasn't really that excited when I saw the teaser image, but now I can't contain my excitement

It’s beautiful. Guys, always remember; that when you achieve something, it’s also because of the village who helped you achieve it. Never ever forget to be thankful for that village.
may i ask when will it be opened?
on 5th,December?
Honestly, rhythm ice rink was so friggin epic, i don’t think you’ll be able to do much on the ice in the village as is but if we could get some sort of ice skates... 
I'm kinda concerned and excited about the size of the game
Is it gonna run the same when we have more seasons and new places on our devices
Or will TGC announce Sky 2
i really really really want pants or a skirt and skates that lace up around my legs to my knees.
ICE SKATE TRAIL COMING SOON 
We don’t know any dates except from pre order of Dreams that it’s in December 15th
The most balanced thing I think of is to let pass holders get a discount on pass items when those things come back, and free players pay the same price as before.
why does someone give you a call if you don’t have it? like if someone deep calls manta, you get manta if you don’t have it, is it beta? im asking here because gen chat doesn’t really like beta discussion 🥲
Uhhh I feel like my device might heat up more. i also might have to delete some apps Sky is like 1GB plus beta so ~2 GB
Everyone say thank you tgc !! 
@hollow knoll I think I met you in beta just now, can I add you in Live too?
Also there’s a 3 hr shutdown on the 4th and personally I think that’s when the seasons coming out, just a speculation though
That's what I think, too!!!!
I have racing games of 2 GB that takes more time to connect to server
I hope Sky servers remain as easily accessible as is now
oop 🥲
Yeaaaa could beeee, I’m excited what the devs did create this time
I don't think it's a beta only question, better ask in #questions-and-help. I think you're talking about the manta call in Vault right? I think that's just how get it.
I’m really pumped for the “friendly competition” mentioned in the teaser, I love games with friends! Also I think TGC is tryna make the village a common hangout place, such as sanctuary or prairie start, and I think that’s really neat!
What will be the ultimate gift 
Also what's the function of manta call,to call manta or communicate with em?it sure doesn't prevent me from colliding with manta
I would love to telll them to not kidnap me in Daylihht prairie
I'm curious about the next season (. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)
It's just for fun!
Am I missing something or what. I don't think the calls can "communicate" with any of the creatures, the crab call for example 
Krill honk would be fun to use
i just finished watching the trailer and reading the blog post, (was doing homework so busy) it's amazing ahhh-
maybe i could get the pass as a christmas present, though probably not. excited to see how the season will develop! 
I watched the teaser and I was super interested in the dress of the ponytail spirit!! Like omg it's so fabulous 0w0
Imagine food being applied to the game
I think either the lady shown in the teaser video or the girl would be the main spirit, leaning towards perhaps the girl, as the lady has rhythm ultimate mask
Imagine using that at graveyard 🤣
At least one call can sort of communicate with the creature it's for. The jellyfish call from Sanctuary, for example. The jellyfish honk back when you honk!
I though I was the only one who saw that...looking like the ultimate mask from Rhythm
The pre-sale comes out during Hanukkah. Maybe I can get the ad pass as a gift. 
I just love valley has a snowy village
I wish they get blizzards and hailstorms during winter
Home ice rink returns?

Can u imagine if they put the wedges like little snowflakes ❄️ 
HOW DARE YOU CALL US HOMELESS ,WE HAVE A HOME WITH EDEN GATE
Let's not joke about homelessness, please.
If all the houses had actual interiors that would be cool, a few pots or something at least, but a bed or something would be amazing bc yes
Snowflake wedges sound so cute!
ok
@hollow knoll I think I met you in beta just now, can I add you in Live too?
@idle moss I'm not actually in the beta programme 😅 😓 so might not have been me
We see an actual bed in one place in Prairie!
Exactly what I’m counting on 
Looks like ppl aren't sure which of our reacts on texts are socially correct
Me: what would I ever need the ear muffs for?
Ts: ...
Oh yeah, that rock bed (I tried it, it looks nice but I woke up sore, I don’t recommend sleeping on it)
The world's best bed: A slab of rock-
HAUAHHA
Why does skykid close his eyes without a mask?
(I am saying this in a joking and somewhat affectionate way) Ah, you're just weak
all masks have sunglass feature
Maybe they see through their eyelids
maybe we don't need eyes to see the world in front of us
Imagine a maskless skykid opening their eyes though
I personally don't want to see that cause all I have in mind are cursed skykid images skykid teeth
maybe the friendly competition could be snowball fights-? QwQ
Back in Journey, they had an April fool's prank where they added rocket death match. Maybe we'll get something similar in Sky, but official. And with snowballs
MAYBE sky kids honk and use echolocation
Maybe a representation for irl baby? eyes closed b4 born
dang, saw someone that used the same name as you, figured it was worth a shot 😂
does the ice melt when winter is ended?
(let us guess, maybe not)
What if skykid has hair color other than white ......?
I assume the TS in beta edition will not be the same as the next live edition TS correct?
The current ones are different. But by next week when Live gets the Dec 10 TS, we'll get the same TS in beta too.
The next 2 TSs coming (jellyfish call and belly rub) are just to test the new TS system
It doesn't look like, of course, as it's experimental. Please state your opinion on editing it as that will influence the final decision
I wonder if we have to gather light again I wish for something new (like in ark and trials, sanctuary also made us gather memories from bells)
Friend I am sorry but I have no idea what you are trying to say
When will the next season start on beta
so excited 
The trailer said around january (edit: for live)
That's live release tho
No that's when the next season comes to live! Beta testers get it sooner. People think the 4th of this month.
I think it would be cool for the season quests (quests as in enchantment light and stuff) to be helping get the girl to the stadium, and at the end we watch her do a performance (haha wholesome go brr)
does the season come into beta with the reset for 4 Dec?
So wait December tenth would be ||karate spirit||?
Lmao new cosmeticblue surgeon mask
Probably not for the 3rd time, but idk it's probably for testing
Probably, but we don't know for sure.
No the beta TS are only for testing, it's not an indication of the next 3 spirits for live
thanks
no ts for december 10th doesnt get revealed till tuesday or wednesday depending on your time zones of where you live
@spark lance as the end of trailer you will see how the new map located near to the race and its like have way to come there but still not sure lol
I figured, I just wanted to make sure 🙂 thanks everyone
but there is a chance one of the spirits would be picked, but seriously, ||karate|| 3 times? gonna sleep ttyl :D
I want the flute spirit
Yes there is always a chance that the RNG will pick karate again in live (if it happens, it will probably be overridden by the devs because it's too soon for it to return a 3rd time)
I’m pretty sure karate has some changes or something so it’ll be coming to beta only I’m pretty sure
Karate may have just been picked cause it was the ts that came when the changes were first introduced, so it would be more fresh in our minds what the changes are this time
I wish I can make the game run at 60fps by default. My phone is more than capable of doing so. But the game doesn't permit it.
You can change it in the settings menu, there are 4 performance modes
where is the karate ts?
Yep! I highly reccomend 60 FPS if your phone can handle it, it looks sooooo good.
I know. But I only got battery saving, 30 fps , and HD mode. Ni high performance mode
Tfw you want to be a beta tester bc u really like the community and want to start as a moff but don’t wanna experience spoilers till live-
Besides the every now and then scuffed wall and snow textures
In a tunnel in the forest area! If you know the tunnel with the little area for the crabs (NOT down by the river), it's in there.
i usually put my android phone at 60 FPS and hopefully it can be boosted even more. my sister play sky and have iphone 8. she's using the default fps but her graphics are magical to my eyes 
4k 120 fps on PC

Is ts here?!
4K 240 fps
Yeah, HD mode is so crispy. But I've been spoiled by high frame rate and refresh rate that going back to 30 is just "painful". To say the least
My iPad can handle high graphics well, it just drains my battery
someday hope android players will be able to have much boosted graphics. grateful enough with the max boost rn but if it can be boosted even more i'll be happy
Neeewwww seassssooonnnnnn!!!

It was more crispy during enchantment but it lagged too much
Jesus imagine the glare from the snow in 4K
ICE SKATE TRAIL 
just realized i can talk in this without finding spoilers👀👀👀👀
It would be so bright and detailed 
But android do have boosted def tho. Playing on 2180x1080 device. Or whatever 21:9 aspect ratio resolution is. It looks beautiful but the fact that you kind only pick one between high frame rate and high definition is just kinda sad.
Dynamic reflections in PC will be great.. plus God rays, rain drops and dust on screen.. depth of field blur.. etc.. plus complete adjustable resolution.
😍
sky already looks like it has rtx on though
Technically since we are in beta wouldn’t we be the first in the season- therefore there would be spoilers-
When will the season come to beta thoooooo
I'm too HYPEDDD
When does beta reset?
How did the players know it was gonna be called the season of dreams? 
So, on December 4th, there is going to be a 3hr beta outage. A lot of people speculate (including me) the season will come out to be tested in beta then. This is not confirmed, it is just a theory, please do not spread this as a fact 
At the end of the next season
yeah lol i played the third option, boosted one
Does anyone know what will be updated in beta
8k 240fps HDR10+
TGC has put out a video teaser about the upcoming season!
I mean the TS system in beta will of course differ from the TS system at live because the TS system at beta is an experiment. And the way we comment will change it somewhat.
Possibly shortly after server maintenance, since all the invites have been given out its not not too far,last time it was only about couple of daysafter prophecy invites went out ,the season kicked off in beta
New season looks really wholesome 🥰
Tgc uploaded the teaser of dreams that means
Dreams on beta soon

I wonder what pendant will be! Maybe a moon? A star? What do u guys think 👀
we dunno yet, it's gonna be the Live TS too
It’s not gonna be the live spirit
And no it doesn't start when prophecy ends in live or something, much earlier then that,in fact by the time this season ends ,traffic in beta will jave dwindled significantly 
I just hope they able to make both side happy. I know some people want to have exclusive right to some item and there's people like me who doesn't buy season's pass unless I like item from that season and only get that item for free once the traveling spirit arrive. But then again, I spent on candles to get item from that traveling spirit.
maybe the statue from the teaser
tbf we do need a wholesome season, we haven't had one since Belonging.
Rhythm was cool/fun
Enchantment was mysterious
Sanctuary was chill
Prophecy was epic
It's time for more wholesomeness ^^~
Change is not born for those who want to be exclusive, it is born for people that are stressed out by candle farming
ikr
Well I guess some spirits have some cool things for free too...
Can I know when does the beta resets? My live usually resets 4pm
I just want pants that don’t require season pass
Also advice for those who are doing beta first time,make sure you get the ||8 player and vault ||spirits while beta hype is ripe
I like the idea to get out of the sickness of daily farming
It's the same
same as live!!
Why though
*Sickness
Yeah, but the changes made the the free and paid player argue. Kinda split the playerbase in a way. And why do people complain about grinding tho. I used to despise grindy game but in the end. It's worth it, you got something out of your hardwork.
I wonder at times,does any of us play solely beta here ?and not live
I read in a server about a competition that if someone only plays beta tey cannot compete so there are ppl as such
It’s possible
And all I can say is, no matter how many ultimate gift I own. I'm proud to be able to have both black and white cape. Envy me!
Bought black cape yesterday
heart count takes a nosedive literally
Bat cape=best cape 💗
I just got chibi mask today!! It took me weeks to save up!!
I'm so... smol....
Because later on it’s going to be much harder to gather enough people 
There are too little beta players to e friends and those was in beta before, once lost the ticket to next waves, u gotta make new friends in new waves and many just stopped playing after they’ve completed the season in beta or when the new season is rolled out live. Hmm... I don’t like to play alone but most of the times I do
Gonna add a new role to my profile
Season of Dreams
I'm excited about the icon of this new season
Prophecy icon is my favorite
I have an outfit combination that literally turns you into a sky god >:3
Anubis Mask + Manta Jump suit + White Cape = Blindness 3 for all players nearby
everybody gangsta till you realize you gather friends to use them for profit
I bought both black and white cape. I grinded for a month including double hearts event. And oh boy, how proud I am equipping the white cape and went to gw to show off only to get krilled. But still, proud of my dedication and hard work.
Add jelly hair to the list
White cape more like L A M P
somehow i wonder if those people camping to get in beta only get it to flex hhacked content
am i wrong though
Eyesight or white cape. I take the later
Let's be real, we all flex every once in a while uwu~
But what matters is that they're playing and they experience bugs. If they get bugged enough, they will eventually report them. But we shouldn't be like them, we should report a l l the bugs we find
Some did that. And they left without even playing. I often see many friends added at the beginning of the new season in beta disappeared soon, shortly after the new season being in beta.
Petition for TGC to make gray cape that cost 100 hearts. I'm up to the challenge.
Coughs in not reporting any glitches to get to oobs
I just bought black cape to get the battlebraid
Raise your hands
They already made a black and white cape costing 150 hearts each
literally reported 6 of them lurking in prairie. hopefully they'll be punished for what theyve done
poor those ppl who want to get beta to help tgc but the space got wasted by these hackers
i might sounds rude but it must be said
Weird thought: season of dreams is a bit of an underwhelming name, i think season of ambition would sound better 🤔🤔
But it's not gray 
@odd field this is literally making my blood boil. The audacity of these players to abuse this beautiful game!
While the discussion of hacks is a little bit more open in this channel, it is mainly so that people know how to identify hackers in beta. Let's not drag it any further 
I say we host a witch trial 
Well, some were in to update their YouTube channel?
I strongly agree, I mean it’s a nice name, but when the rumored “season of dreams” was going around, I didn’t want to believe it because it sounded way too fan made.
lets close it tho. its enough that ppl are aware on how and what those "real bugs of the beta" looks like 
tbf, TGC needs to tone down from Prophecy. I think they're chilling out a little with Dreams in order to not raise our expectations to ungodly levels, HAHAAHAH
Because malicious players intentionally change the information that dev provides in a direction in their favor. Sentences like: "dev changes because of oldie", "dev changes because of a need for money", "dev changes because the player pays" all garbage. Dev doesn't say that, they themselves insist they have no plans to apply it to live. It is toxic players who intentionally cut this information away so they have an advantage in arguing.
Yeah true tho
Heyy i want to ask. I play beta at season of sanctuary. In the next season, i can't get link invitation. But i check playstore, i can download beta, and play that beta. Is that one server with beta now?
Uhh both deer mask and ult umbrella were unattainable for beta players, right? I lit the person but idk how to report them
!reportplayer
Here's some info on how to report players in the game: https://bit.ly/ReportFAQ
Big reason I’m sad it’s actually season of dreams is that people have been talking about it for a few weeks, which means it’s possible for people to know the season wayyy before the teasers, which I don’t feel comfortable with
They're possible to get. We haven't had a data wipe since the global release, so they aren't hackers, uwaaa~
Yeah, so far TGC is the only company that I know of that prioritize players first. I'm kinda shocked when I read someone on youtube saying that "TGC short in fund". Hence why I asked this group for clarification.
I think theres a pattern of completely blow us away season/lore season and then a nice calm season if you look at enchantment - dreams 
oh the topic changed
the seasons deer mask and the ult umbrella are from didnt run long enough in beta for people to get them naturally! so yes they are hacked items
I think a youtuber made a theoretical "Season of Dreams" a while back, which is why some people were talking about a "season of dreams" already. I dunno the context, and this is just something I heard, therefor I'm assuming
Oops my bad I sent this in beta general
Bruh sky alone has made them around 2mil maybe more I think for a mobile game that’s pretty good
Well actually I remember a season name leak going around before the teaser came out. I don't remember anything from it
Those were from hacks and I didn't try to pay attention to it
hacked or ktjn 
aHhh alright, thanks for the clarification
Season of community when?
Just imagine a season dedicated for two/four players door where you can't progress unless you helped or being helper by someone. Or season where TGC take cosmetics submitted by the fan and made a season out of it.
No, they all made up that information. What we have been revealed by developers is that there are many people complaining about the pressure to hoard candles and that's all. If someone tells you TGC to do this because of running out of capital, then they are deliberately telling the wrong truth
laughs in friendless
She’s either a magic psychic or there’s something going on there 
I see a lot of posts Instagram where people just post about the beta TS system, without giving much information on what the Devs said. I think, for those here, we really should inform people the right thing, so they don't spread the wrong information to others. Please understand that TGC knows what the traveling spirits mean to some players, that's why I personally don't think they will implenent it in live, unless they decide on something.
Come on now. It's a game about teamwork and friendship anyway. Why not force it upon us once in a while 
What the
you're right
I love playing with friends 😓
!whenisnextbetaupdate
OMG, TGC can always surprise me, the new season looks amazing
sorry, I'm kinda 🐌 when it comes to typing www
Since this is beta chat, I think this should be fine. Please don't ask who or where it came from to not give it light. I'm only here to tell what I've seen floating around.
I've heard there was a leak about the season and contents ( and yes, also the season's name ). If you know you'll know. fortunately TGC has managed to take it down.
If this isn't allowed to be told, I'll be glad to delete this. Or just delete immediately if a mod sees this cause there's no guarantee I would be lurking in chat 24/7
Its say Januari its this for live sky that mean the Beta player can play new season this moth 👀
probably,, im so hyped waaaa
!whenisnextbetaupdate
So is the season coming out for beta before 2020? What's the time on that?
Alright I’m tired and got school tomorrow I need to get offa here. Goodnight everyone! (Or good morning/good afternoon??) it was nice chatting with y’all
That image do be kinda cut off a bit doe 
Where's the ts?
Chinese server is different from ours right?
I kinda expected the season to be out this month, considering it kinda looked like a Christmas village almost
The season seems be e f y from all I managed to read and see, we’re in for a treat.
Though I’m assuming there will be a Christmas update first.
Ahh I thought so too. No wonder when I went to PRC I start over and lose my progress. I thought I got banned.
prc-?
This is gonna surprise me just like how enchantment surprised me as a moth 
Each season is a slap in the face technically
People's republic of China.
I went to YouTube to check it out and found the situation pretty bad, there were too many comments saying that developers did it because they lacked money and free players were suffering them. They are spreading completely wrong what developers want to convey, we have to stop them
where's the ts? Or is something going on with that
But theres who knows how many sky youtubers.. tgc would probably have to announce it somewhere
ahhh alright
Most of them doesn't have discord is what I assume or just spreading false informations for the sake of arguements. We can't do anything about it.
Oh the forest again? I'll check it out tomorrow 
Oh no I thought there was just one person with hacked content but another added me then proceeded to take out a red juggler cape 
I mean, we can always just attract a krill over to those comment sections ya know~

Haha, If only they knew, that this move is actually making the Devs lose a LOT of revenue 
But not everyone can use discord
Oh, that's the christmas cape, I don't think that's hacked.
It is hacked
There are a lot of people who think so, most of them are toxic players. They deliberately deflect the information to their advantage and this is clearly not good, I think
I don't even understand the point of hacking for cosmetics purposes. I do admit that I hack once, but because I want to unlock the fps cap.
Recently, I am sad because I often see hacker users in beta. If they really like games, they shouldn't.
There are no information on the Christmas event
so definitely. The only thing that isn't hacked is the Santa hat, it was in beta last year. If they bring it back this year too
We sadly can’t really do much about what people do outside of discord, the reason why beta is confined to discord is for exactly these reasons. But people will always spread what happens in beta
They’ll learn that treating beta as early access will come back to bite them when the features that are in beta stay in beta for a year
If this spreads out I'm just afraid it will negatively impact the community. We all know that dev didn't mean it when testing this system. The toxic guys on youtube made it a completely different story.
I understand, but there really isn’t much we can do. And there will always be angry players no matter what decisions tgc makes
oh darn it QwQ
This why everyone must remember, everything is subject to change in beta things may never see the light of day in live
Some are like that, unfortunately. But it's best not to assume either. Some might have misinterpreted, some be biased, some don't have enough information regarding the change, and etc.
No change will be 100% accepted by the community. At least one person will be against it. It is what it is
:0
Every community has toxic behavior such as this. But there's nothing much we can do. Even if we do flood them and tell the right thing. We doesn't have any badge that indicates we provide the right information or a trustable sources. Anything we do to them will make things worse.
Let's counter misinformation by telling people the correct ones 
i think TGC can also file a lawsuit if the misinformation gets too far
Isn't practical
anyone else get a slight sastifaction in finding and reporting a bug. Especially your first one.
Ohhh a little advice when sending bugs: make sure you write the correct information and spell the words correctly if you don't want to restart the bug report 5 times speaking from experience
Edit: my typos 
IF it gets too far. But then again, who can they sue? I don't think the would sue youtube for misinformation because that would cause domino effect to other youtuber as well. Regarding that information is true or not. In the end, misinformation going to happen whatever you do. Even something as simple as bending down can be misinterpreted.
hugs not bugs
the channels, either for spreading the misinformation or not handling it properly
(That is, if it does get too far)
It gets a bit off topic, but there will always be some that prefer their interpretation and ignore others regardless of accuracy. To them, there is nothing that can be done but ignore, and keep in mind that they represent (and communicate to) a relatively small portion of the player base.
Well, they can do that. But comparing TGC to youtube Youtube is like krill and TGC is like a moth. It would cost a lot of money to go on with the lawsuit especially for something as misinformation. The least we can do is tell the content maker the right information and it's up to them to accept it or not.
Actions such as legal relief would be welcomed, look up Streisand effect
To be fair what company is going to admit "yeah we're doing this because we want money"?
The answer is not even the most blatently greedy companies do.
Wait what are we talking abt
Please i need context i'm so confused
(guess who's dyslexic and misread several messages? It's me, ignore me)
Misinformation in social media
And the fact that those people have turned dev's words, it is also true
Yeah, by admitting that they lack funds would hurt their reputations and damage their relationship with their investors. In the end, only someone from TGC know the true story. Either they implement it or not is entirely up for debate. But I think the way TGC handle stuff. They probably would make changes that satisfy both side.
oh so they're spreading misinformation abt TGC's intentions?
hope new season come after the maintenance 
Besides merely making a profit, TGC also has other game development plans of theirs that we don't know about. Making a profit is basic but it comes with other criteria of the company. The problem here is that no one knows the company well, so it is impossible to be sure which is the best option for them.
Is this about the TS again where people are concerned TGC is trying to make more money at the playerbase's expense?
OH YEAH! Maybe that's why we're having a maintenance period
Conflict and unrest increase exposure, it is in a you tuber's interest to promote discontent (just like regular media (/offtopic))
There is a very long gap between "every company needs a profit" and "TGC does this for lack of money". Maybe they need a profit but they don't do it because of lack of money, even if they don't directly apply their experiment so it's an experiment.
Sorry I'm only jumping in now and finding it a little hard to track the conversation but TGC would be losing money if this new system was implemented as is.
Have u guys been chatting here for long that you all seems to know each other and chatting with one another 🤔😮
People on youtube are saying that devs did it because of lack of money
didn't someone mention that TGC actually loses money with the new TS system? lol
Yeah, what ever their decision may be. I hope it benefit both the player and themselves.
Just an idea to TGC, how about make paid exclusive cosmetics without involving traveling spirits? And that paid exclusive cosmetics only come once and never return again.
Is there any invisible cape option in beta right now? I met veteran player in beta while ago and saw that he flying without seeing the cape.
its 999 hearts
In Sky discord yes, but not really with these people before, is part of why I like this forum, feel free to join in until a mod says we're too far off topic
But generally I do find the items getting more expensive. Am I the only one thinking so? I don’t deny they need to be in profits too. They don’t do for free and many developers and designers to feed too. And many other roles too
I can’t wait to test the season of dreams , just watched the teaser as soon as I opened my eyes and it’s jaw dropping ... the animation of the ice skating girl is phenomenal....seeing content like this cements why I love supporting tgc .... 🤍🕊️🤍
Ah okay, I couldn't quite pick up if it was people here were saying this was to make money or if it was people in you tube comments and we were commenting on it here. Just wanted to be sure the facts were out
Thanks everyone ^^
I don't about other place but it does get expensive. Mainly because currency used in my country inflated a few weeks ago. Again
They're getting to expensive? How so?
999 ❤️ 
yep
yeah the new TS system is definitely not to get more money based on what we've heard, but it's still confusing as to why they made it
The idea of F2P paying the normal price and AP holders get a discount is still the fairest imo
Sometimes they bundle a few items that can cost a few Adventure Pass if u get them all. Of coz they didn’t force u to buy them
Don't know, never seen the other side of a company funded by voluntary purchases only. There is likely a lot of data available now from other such ventures that TGCs decisions are based on good statistics
Is the TS thing going on good or bad?
Don’t listen to you tubers .... that’s quite evident and just bad information
I am looking forward to the new season. Can I enter every house in the village? excited
does anyone know if there are specific youtubers doing this? Cause yikes man
They don't do something for free, right, but that doesn't mean locking TS in the pass and not giving free players a pass item is the only way to make extra profit. We are here to edit the TS system because they want our opinion. Something being tested means it is incomplete.
YouTubers and some other vloggers on different platforms...
I reckon it because people spend too much cash on candles. Isn't it cheaper to buy season's pass instead of candles? There's a lot of people I know who doesn't like to spend on season's pass but willingly spend hundreds on candles for traveling spirit.
The whole of the new season sounds so wholesome 😭
Please, Claire.. Tell us that you burn a village is only just a Dream 
The comment sections weren't so nice ngl.
Still want to occupy the ancestor's house
Ah this question might be dumb but, how is TGC gonna lose money with this new ts system? I mean why?- sorry I just don't understand, my brain is the size of a peanut
Never read comment sections
burns a village....'s darkness plant wHEEZE
Who doesn't XD
burn the entire vilage for wax
Because season's pass is cheaper compare to buying candles. And me personally, and I know some people like me. Who skip season's pass and buy candles for traveling spirit. By implementing the new system. It would cost less for us but for free player. Idk, i guess it would make them lose purpose and leave the game.
hope we can enter the cozy houses.
They're bundling items yes. But that doesn't mean they're getting more expensive.
If you're talking about cosmetics like the Mischief cape, and hat... All I have to say is that I'm dissapointed that you'd call that expensive.
TCG has to make money somehow, and besides, a limited edition Halloween cape that not many can have makes it special to people. It's not worn just for Halloween. Cosmetics like this is special, cool, and holds a special place in players hearts.
It's not expensive if people are willing to buy it. And almost everyone is willing to buy their products anyway. Because that's just how it is.
The problem here is that the TS system is just an experiment. It's experimental because it's not perfect and it's not the only way. TGC needs to make more money but it is not necessary to go that way. That's all we're looking at
Ooh, I see thank for the explanations 
Yes, it would be fun to play peekaboo games if we can enter those houses
Lol true. Hide and seek sounds more fun if that's the case
I'm really looking forward to testing the new season and hopefully a general change of topic once we start getting updates. 
Yup agreed it’s still a company and profits is still a thing. Ok maybe I should rephrase it. If you can’t afford as a kid and parents won’t pay for you. Just play without getting them. Maybe come out with an option for me. I felt sad some can’t get it. Why not let us gift them away? I think it’s not a bad idea though
At night. It’s even possible that there will be players sleeping in houses in the village
Heya everyone! How’s the be-
sees topic
Visible confusion
I’m... I’m confused. Are we talking about the TS system or the new season? 
The problem of testing a new TS system is based on the opinions of many individuals. Dev does not make a specific decision about this system and forces us to follow. But misunderstandings happening on youtube will make people think this is a dev's decision. No, it was an experiment, not a decision
You're welcome. The new system seems to heavily favour pass holder than the company and free players. I don't mind if they implement it make it cheaper for someone like me to get cosmetics. But cheaper stuff make less money thus less money for the company.
Someone talked about burning down the village for wax
I know a player playing sky with her iPad though. Literally on it for 24/7. Constantly charging it. She left the game on and whenever she feels like playing she will be active right away
shhhh
So many people have said: for pass holders a discount when buying old season passes and keeping the same price for those without a pass
OMG, I hope his/her tablet battery is safe
Ah! Normal beta chat then? Alright I’m not concerned. 
Chat on, my fellow testers!
How is this going to be implemented? How about pass holders who missed previous seasons?
It takes a village to raise a child is a saying that is so true and I love how tgc have taken this beautiful saying to make it relevant in game and life right now with what we all been and are going through and what we wish for the new year ...it just reminds us how beautiful life is ..don’t loose sight of what sky is about ...the Ts is something that didn’t have to exist but be greatfull it does
She’s going to get a new one but the current one just refuse to die on her 
If they have a pass, they will still get a discount on the items locked in the pass, otherwise they will have to buy it at the same price as before.
Isn't it, "It takes a village to raise a child." Either way it's great!
Yeah I just opened my eyes lol .. yes it is to raise a child lol
Hmmm...that’s cool. I always buy seasonal pass as in the Adventurer Pass
Gifting items implies you'll be able to get more than one. Which means, youd be able to get more than one of each cosmetic, which opens up a whole nother bag of worms.
Gifting a season pass is one thing. I'm saying this while looking through your shoes as well.
There will always be things you can't have. But once you earn items in a game, then it feels special to you. If it's just given to you, it doesn't have the same meaning. Things that are special like a holiday cape, that's special, and I personally don't think it should be offered "for free". Especially the amount of work they put into making them, like the Mischief cape.
It's sad that some can't get it, and there's a lot of items I missed as well. But I've come to terms with it, and accepted the fact that you can't always get what you want.
My point is... Sky isn't expensive. Not everything should be "earnable". It's what makes Sky, Sky. Seeing players with capes you can no longer obtain, it makes me look forward to the day that I get to show off my capes from Season of Prophecy and brag about it.
It's just how it is.
That careless kid got so many people confused lol
An entire village to raise a child. ONE CHILD. I am disappointed in these people. 
Will the little girl in the video be a guide? I didn't see her wearing any costumes like the ultimate gift
She's probably a spirit
Seems like it was playing her cutscene since all spirits have one
Does that means my purchases would get discounted than non-pass holders?
You know what. In the end, the problem all boils down to cosmetics. I'm not against cosmetics in any way but we really can't deny it. Some people play this game for the sole purpose of getting all the cosmetics available, and some people play this game just because they enjoy the atmosphere of this game. But we really can't deny that cosmetics does play a huge role in this game.
Just hope the 'raising' vibe is different from... The Lion King 
I saw her in the illustration, maybe a spirit
I just look forward to making the village be more beautiful lol
And the gatekeeping for cosmetics is always there good lord
the i think they intentionally made that spirit ambiguous as to not spoil the ultimate gift too early on
Alrighty, I got what you mean, my lord. Yeah but Sky somehow made me wanna collect ‘em all 🤣
I think they showed the guide in there too. At the corner of the place she was playing in. The woman with short hair. I THINK she's the guide. But I'm just guessing here haha
i've always loved seeing people reach their dream. seeing the teaser made me to seriously tear up. and that music tho. like omg
Non-pass holders will no longer be able to gain items that require the season pass, regardless if it comes back as a TS, if the current Beta Plan moves into Live.
Which just makes everything all the more special. xd
Looking forward to it. So mysterious
other than that, sky is a "social game" so cosmetics are the second main element to this game i guess.
What about the players who can never afford anything? I'm one of them.
Same thing apply to beta. Many didn’t get the cosmetics and are looking forward to it too. And some missed waves of invitations too
Good point, since i have a lot of friends who can't afford AP due to the price differences in their country/because they don't have the money to do so
Why does seeing other people wear clothes you don't have makes Sky?
you can still enjoy the game and the majority of its benefits cosmetics should really be seen as a side thing they aren’t the main reason to play sky. you can enjoy sky in so many other ways
There will always be things you can get for free. Your collection will grow, just like mine has. You might have to work a bit harder for it, but that should just make you all the more proud of your collection.
I don’t deny I do feel great about special at times 😜
You can politely ask your friends in the game or online to gift you the pass. After all, the locked AP items cost money as well~
Yeah, but I'm just worry that free player will lose their purpose and leave the game. Most of them are kids or have other commitments in life. In my country, ap cost the same as two weeks worth of foods on the table.
The season of dream today?
I play ‘coz I really like the game And it’s the only game I spent a lot on it, thus far
Not to mention Indonesian players, god their exchange rates are just sad
actually. whatever happens I just want to look cute uwu. legit. and today, I'm a wizard.
But is locking the TS of all things behind a pay wall a good idea? Wasn't it working well before?
By the way, the reason I can't afford it is mostly because I'm not allowed to pay anything for games. My family doesn't want me to be addicted to games and all that so unless I can get it for free, they're not budging.
I think everyone should stop talking about what makes Sky, the opinion of each individual that makes Sky, not the experience of a specific individual that decides what Sky is like. Not just free or paid players, but an affordable system for everyone and we are building it.
unfortunately sky still needs to be able to run their game and if the ap needs to be 10 dollars for that to happen then it will stay that way
Android new beta player, have you got downloaded the beta sky?
If your main concern is cosmetics in a game, instead of exploring, chatting with friends, viewing the scenery, and generally having a good time... I'm sorry sir or madam, but you don't have your priorities straight. That's not what Sky is about.
- @agile cape because I get to see things that people have worked hard for to obtain, and that makes me look forward to things I can obtain, and share with others.
. I have a question. When I wear the chibi mask, I am bigger than other chibi mask children. Is this normal? (Comparison made under the same standing clothing hairstyle condition)
I'm not Indonesian, but our currency is a bit higher compare to them. But if we feel that the IAP cost too much, we can only imagine what they feels like.
This system was created not because of people who wanted to see themselves special, it was born because there were so many people complaining about candle farming. Please remember that
the umbrella merch costs 1 million rupiah alone, it's that bad
It's also my personal opinion. I didn't say it was anyone else's but mine. That being said, I'm done with the conversation, I've explained enough. Thank you for chatting 
If I want to be a beautiful princess, I need cosmetics okay? Everyone have their own priorities. Just because your priorities is different from me doesn't make my priorities wrong.
Does anyone have the same distress as me, weird
and now I wonder with my little humble mind: why has the friendship tree been re-arranged? is it maybe because of... a new SEASON? 
But next to playing with friends. cosmetics are the things we strive to obtain. Is it so unreasonable for us to wish that this doesn't happen? I'm not saying that the company shouldn't try to earn money but events, merch, and other things can work too.
The TS system is just a catching mechanic, the devs said that. Now the current system is for candle farming. If the new TS system is for candle farming and for people with catching mechanic then it makes more sense.
Idk man I see a ton of people talking about cosmetics on the daily. 
As a paying player for the pass and pack, I would like to say that I want everyone to have fun with the old season costumes. It is a fairness, of benefit to everyone if the developer simply gives me a discount if I have a pass and keeps the same price as before for those without a pass.
Oops used a bad word in prior reply, AFAIK chibi is one size for all
I meant like overly obsessed with cosmetics. Sure, a want here and there is obvious. But an obsession? Like, you will quit if you don't get something you want? That's over the top.
I would argue with discounted price, I would prefer free 😂.
How do I become a beta tester?
@spark lance, to join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-signup-info! You can learn all about the beta version and the sign-up process in #beta-faq.
Ok .thank you
Well someone actually told me they quit the game because it’s just another social gaming platform with nice cosmetics. But I love the fact that TGC never stop creating new maps and new seasons and new gameplay to improved the game. I find peace in the game that’s why sometimes i would explore alone. I just want to break way for a short while
Right, so send bug report
this might trigger some people. they were originally locked, paid with real money back in their season to get the cosmetic. and now basically free through the ts. if that's not generous enough. imagine grinding real life work just to buy a pass
Ok,thank you
the current TS system is so terribly generous i swear
I have no opinion with your personal opinion. What I emphasize here is the truth and the information that the developer provides. The truth is the TS system is a new experiment, call it an experiment because it's not perfect. Second, the developer claims it will still be heavily modified according to the community's contribution to the system's improvement. Third, as said this is not a dev's decision, this is just an experiment and experiment cannot be truth. Failure to clarify the nature of the problem will cause confusion. When I answered you, I didn't mean you were wrong. I mean your opinion is only a contribution, it is not a dev decision and much less truth to all.
Yeah u just need to earn enough candles and exchanged enough 💕 for them. They only make it more expensive
Well, they have the right to quit if they want. I can pay my way through, I've been spending on this game for months. But for someone that has the same mentality as me and has no disposable income as me. Well, if they want to leave the game because they can't get something they want. Who are we to judge, in the end. Not all currency is the same, not everyone is fortunate enough to have a good job.
Agreed.
Exactly, they were LOCKED before. Now, I see no problem with it since its the AP holders' rights to be rewarded with their money. Thus, why the TS system is just generous.
I just find it really, TGC's mistake to introduce TS mechanic for free when they could AP locked it before. It just really upsetting, even considering that TS spirits are random so that it could take years for your favorite spirit to visit.
I don’t get all the TS in beta. But I try to get all the TS in live version of Sky.
And even if the developer says they didn't create the TS system for free to players, that doesn't mean they created it just for paying players. We improve it to make it the best we can for the community, that's all
sameeee
But you shouldn't be giving up on a game, quitting just because everything isn't "free". You get lots of new cosmetics each season. But if people don't want to deal with it, and work for it, then go ahead and leave. I don't mind. I'm just saying people who quit because they can't get everything are missing out on the point of the game.
Okay guys. I’m asking for a friend who is a tad too shy to ask here.
My friend is in Generation Dreams (this recent wave of new testers). They installed beta and was able to run it just well. But when they tried to open live, they described it being “just a black screen”. For some reason this only started happening when they installed beta. When they uninstalled, they were able to play live again. They’re on an android phone, by the way. 
No one here (Discord )quit the game because it is no longer free, we are talking about having too much junk information on youtube that makes players misunderstand.
It is somewhat like giving a child a candy and taking it away from them. So, I get the unhappiness but yet it is hard to fulfill the quest of all players and maintaining a good income from the players too.
Chromeback, that’s definitely worth a bug report with as much info as possible, I’ve never heard of that happening to anyone
report it 🛠️
Oh no. I won’t quit just because I missed the cosmetics I really like. I can always go ask my friend to show me and admire it. So looking forward to new seasons and new cosmetics and those on and off offering like Earth Day and Halloween.
They did, yesterday morning. I was just curious if anyone else ran into this issue. I’m an iOS, so I’m afraid I am not able to be of assistance.
If someone comments because they think it's good, figure out why it's good. But don't use devs as an excuse like some people on youtube. They say dev is short of money and they are helping dev. No, they are making developers misunderstand others
I haven't had any issues playing beta and live back and forth, on Android 10
In fact my main game now is just Sky. Haha...and i never quit though I do play other games either I like it or my friends invited me. This Sky is just so special to me that for a long time ever since I started playing I never thought of quitting. I have wave and wave of friend quit the game so far. 
Ok so like, my friend joined beta recently and when she tried to click the seasonal pass required emote she got the prophecy pass is this a bug ?
I have some friends who said they might leave the game if TS need real money, not because they can’t afford the AP but they don’t have any reason to do a candle run like before. The feeling when you work hard for a TS is a part of their game playing.
Hahahah definitely like that, giving a candy to a child then just taking it away. Its very upsetting for TGC's part.
But if its a way to not let the AP holders be shorthanded. I think TGC is already planning like giving more free cosmetics in the seasonal spirits.
yeah android 10 works fine, no issues
I don’t think so since the new season hasn’t been released in beta yet
They’re on a Google Pixel... 3? I think? 
Omg I can't wait to play the new season

Farming is getting easily bored and mundane nowadays. I just do casual farming or help new players or joining my friends and catch up with them while farming
I've also not had any issues playing between live and beta on android
more permanent items that require farming are currently being tested in beta, the farming experience won’t die off just because of the AP feature of TS tgc are actively trying to introduce more permanent items for free players for example the tier 2 capes
No issue either in playing beta and live on Android 10 
but I do hope they can work something out though... wouldnt more free cosmetics clod the game more? I duno... sounds like more work for dev
If there are new maps and new incentive like candles cakes I would love to do more
Curiouser and curiouser...
I told them to reinstall beta and try it again when the next build releases. Thank you all so much for your help! 
Hey guys, idk why but the village in Valley reminds me of hateno town from Breath of the wild
LG velvet(mine) also runs on android 10 iirc lmao
you mentioned about having to uninstall the game 👀 and install it again, is the issue okay now?
For example, the Season of Prophecy. The F2P players were given 2 capes and 2 hairs. I believe that is enough of a compromise for both parties if ever the TS system beta will be put to live.
I have long been waiting for this day....
It's all perfect on android 11
||just made some creepy glitchy noises when i entered eden and my mobile turn off itself||
Yes, farming won't stop just because of this but it will still hurt many people. That is why the system is in need of comments to develop it
i missssed the beta invitessss noooo
Well, if I grind everyday for 2/3 hours. And have nothing I like that I can spend on. I would quit as well. "Point of the game" is up to player who perceive it. Some people like to grind and get something out of it. Hence why grindy game exists. Not everyone is the same, some people like the grinding aspect of the game because they feel accomplished when they got something after hours of grinding. Some people like cosmetics and spend hundreds of dollars on it. Some people like the game the way the dev intended it to be. It isn't entirely free, what paid player get out of by spending, free players get it by investing a lot of time on it. I can admit that I'm more proud of the cape that I got by collecting hearts than the cape that I got by purchasing candles through IAP.
They didn’t get the ultimate gift of the season even through the TS. But I heard they are rolling out something a bit more expensive so that they still can get it?
Uhhh they haven’t reinstalled it yet. I’ll tell ‘em to try it again and see if it was just a one time slip up by the games. 
I think the system should work how the current TS is set up in Beta.
How each TS has a few items obtainable without Pass, and a few only obtainable with pass.
That way each party gets items. Some are just payed for. And in all honesty, it's fair, because the items requiring passes would have needed a pass during that season.
I'm not against offering items for free. I just think it's devaluing each item. Especially if people can just buy candles to get the items. A seasonal pass requirement isn't a bad idea.
Also, it's 10 dollars while 15 candles is 5$. Just to point that out there.
yea.. but the TS would not have helped the older free to play players who has gotten the free item previous... I'm just having a mix feeling about it....
Uh oh, are we back on the free vs paid discussion 
uh ohhhhhhh
they posted at 4 am and i was sleeping 😔💔
I think this current TS system will be for new players, and maybe new community as well.
me, who tried to change the topic by sharing an issue my friend has

beta is not that great lol. and let’s be honest, most of everyone here just wanted to test out the new season 
aw 
And I totally respect that opinion. Everyone has their own. 
I am quite curious about the new traveling Spirit thingy
Well I mean, testing the new season is one of the goals in beta 
but does it mean to discourage the older free to play players to stop playing? I feel mix too as my friends are involved.
all it does it give more players the incentive to purchase the ap bare in mind the ap becomes more of a bargain you get to experience the ENTIRE SEASON and also the added bonus of returning spirit items
I'm kinda in beta to test bugs and stuffs. Do wacky things and break the game hahaha.... 
I don't think it should work as in beta.
The Season Pass brought Ultimate Gift buyers back - something they just couldn't get for free. And to get things they need to wait randomly after 2 months, which is enough to balance everything. Free players will never catch up with the pass players' items, it's true.
Don’t listen to gossip if you want information on tgc then the only people who know are tgc, others just speculate and spread bad information which upsets many people ... so remember don’t believe anything unless you hear it from the horses mouth
I am same with you, I have no problem with the TS system being locked since those items were paid using money.
It could be argued that if I know this seasonal spirits will just return, why should I buy AP? Even if you guys will argue about ultimate gifts, remember that the devs are planning to return it. So, more reason to not buy AP.
street figther Guile theme start playing in the background
It shouldn’t. They shouldn’t quit just because of these concerns. If they love the game they probably won’t bother it much
You definitely don't wanna click on my profile and see the song I'm listening to 
Why should you pay so much attention to getting players to buy AP when developers simply make this change because they see so many people complaining about candle hoarding pressure?
If the new system of traveling spirits is added to live, then I will not be able to collect the image I have conceived

Depends on your friends if it would discourage them, but if you are talking about my side. I will not be discouraged since I prefer to be with my friends in sky than just cosmetics.
Some players still feel it pains them as they still don’t need to pay for it. While AP players paid for everything. But I don’t really mind.
absolutely didn't click at all 👀
Same here actually. Although I don't like the update, I do understand where tgc is coming from with this.
Yeah and what if you live in Australia where everything costs 5 times as much due to currency differences. What if you’re a new player who doesn’t know what’s going on and wants a particular cosmetic because they weren’t here when the season was active. What if you’re a low income earner with only $5 after taxes, car expenses, groceries, water, electricity, internet.
what do you mean by pay so much attending, i’m offering a different perspective? you guys are hyper focusing on one thing and it’s turning this conversation into a merry go round repeating the same things over and over again 🥱
i mean, y’all are still getting free stuff, just not the good free stuff 
Aight, out of general curiousity, I must know once and for all y'all opinions on this.
Vote.
- No, keep TS as a 70+ free candle grinding mission as it is now.
- Make Pass required items locked for TS. Obtainable when pass is bought.
If you're taking a different view of getting people to buy more APs, is that the only way to get them to buy more?
hmm.. I dunno. Some has already completed the normal constellation and nothing much to grind on for...
Well some “good” free stuff isn’t as good as we thought though. Other players might find that they don’t like it so they have no intention to get it. I know some AP players who don’t always get AP. They get it when they think they will love the cosmetics
I don't want my candles become useless
Give pass holders a discount when buying pass items in the old season and keep the same price as before for those without a pass
i said it incentivises people to purchase APs and also increases the value of an AP because you are getting more for what you pay for. AGAIN jenova chen has mentioned countless times that the ts system was NEVER meant to be a free for all system. this model resolves that
I like that deal
Your candles won't be useless. There will still be some items for candles. Only SOMS items will require pass.
That is... something that I also find a disadvantage for this TS system. Maybe the new seasons will make up for it, afterall TGC is making the new seasons more interactive than the previous ones.
I know plenty of people who still play sky because of the current TS system in live lol. Changing that and locking it would just make those player's motivations go nonexistent tbh
Esp when they're someone who just can't afford the pass
Sounds ok to me. Fair enough.
If you talk about stimulating people to buy pass, then giving the pass holders a discount when they picked up last season's pass is also stimulating, and it also has a positive effect on both player
I don't mind paying for a seasonal pass but , two weeks a time ts -
And slight chance on bringing ultimate gift
No offense some country be costing more due to currency
Differences
Some people income are extremely low and they still need to pay tons of stuff
And what if you want a pass item but can’t afford it?
Honestly I don't get what is so wrong with this. AP people get away with a much smaller grind, non-AP people still have to work hours on end for their reward.
I can’t wait to do my best to help make the new season come to live with as little bugs as possible so it can be enjoyed flawlessly and it seems this season is gonna do a lot for ones soul and mental being this holiday season 🤍🕊️🤍
I'm sorry to be rude, but you should accept the reality. That's life, not everything can be handed out for free.
Keep it as it is. But make it so that TS come 6-7 months after the season have ended. Or idk, make pass required but let the free player get recolored version of the item.
Honestly not easy to implement double system as well.. So just have to see how the dev can work things out.
Yep I feel that for those players
That’s why you spend time grinding, if you can afford, have a candle discount, if you can’t afford it, nothing changes
If TGC's goal is to provide an incentive to buy the AP without putting a compulsion as well as reducing grind, this is probably the best solution so far I've seen. TGC's motive is most definitely not to restrict free players, but the current beta TS system is just doing that.
TGC have noticed unhealthy habits when it comes to grinding and farming, this is something they are actively trying to stop
Yes seisong of dreamssss I forget when he xome ?
it was introduced as free. so many players want it to stay as free. but if you think about it was originally locked paid with real money
I wish to see something creative from the devs. They never fail in surprising us, did they?
I literally buy APs because 1, earlier access to items and 2, way less stress from grinding candles. You can't deny the fact that AP users get candles and items easier
Really the only reason the items should be locked is because players want a reason to flex, otherwise you shouldn't have a problem with other people getting a chance to get the same items you have.
AP holders getting a discount from TS should be reason enough to get the pass(which is why I wish this was implemented).
Then out of curiosity, what do you suggest to fix it?
I mean... They're stuff are actually pretty expensive.. I've only played this game for months and tbh I love the game , but I already spent like 200-300$ in the game 😥
But you should also remember TGC is group of people working to deliver the game to you, making it fun as possible. You should know developing games are costly (labor for workers, advertisement, machines)... if the TS system will help them more, then I find it fair that you need to pay money for their hard work.
In my opinion, that should have absolutely no bearing on the decisions TGC makes. The choice to grind for cosmetics is a choice made by oneself. TGC is not forcing you to buy cosmetics at all. If you're choosing to grind, it's a personal choice.
Oh,I'm sorry to disturb everyone
I would like to ask, if I meet people who don't respect other countries in beta
, and it doesn't work after my dissuasion, can I report they
?
They laugh at and look down on other countries
And there was abusive behavior, and I dissuaded and had no effect
They in turn connote me

Can I report these people?
of course it is? why would t it be? you pay for it to be easier, and with the new ts system you pay for it to be FREE?!
And I am not telling you that I want to keep the old system, I am telling you that I want to edit this new system better and more suitable for all. You should remember when devs talk about having too many people complaining about candle farming pressure, not everyone feels the pressure. If you add the discount candle to your pass as a service, those who demand to reduce the pressure of candle farming will have to pay for the service they require. Not everyone feels pressured, why should they be subject to change for those who feel the pressure?
that kind of argument is what scares me, saying to simply "accept" how something is, when it is possible to change it for the better ...
oohh like in the double heart event + traveling spirit situation 👀 I noticed a lot of complains about it
The last part, agree with that. They want the item to be exclusive.
And there are people who pay, TGC doesn’t lose any income from the TS, I know TGC should get paid, and they do. You just gotta be considerate to the people who have next to nothing
Maybe TGC truly cares about the well-being of the people due to the unhealthy habits that's why this system has been created. Although at the cost of some players.
You can buy candles in game after all...
I've heard some people complain about how the veterans and AP players were too greedy which is why they want everything to be exclusive.
Relative to other games with IAPs, this game is by far on the inexpensive end
Not getting enough sleep grinding for candles.
Like me. 
I think provide both options, as in - pass users can get certain items immediately whereas f2p players have the high candle cost currently implemented for ts
Wait is the upcoming season of dreams in beta,?
If we think about it like that, then the current TS system in Beta is a start. Although it does need improvements.
They show great disrespect to other countries and abuse them. After I dissuaded me, I also made some insults to me

Keep certain items free for AP users, and regular candle price for non-AP users. What is so wrong with this?
The only counter argument is that "we paid for it we do not think free players have a right to that stuff", and if you think that about a game like Sky, I'm sorry for you man.
tbh. I don't like farming candles. I just want to goof off with friends and don't think about the pressure of having little candles because of the ts. (I haven't farm for a week) ahhahaha
guess it's stemmed from price differences and some other factors. Honestly as an AP owner I really don't care about people getting the chance to get items that i have because they have to farm way harder to earn it. 
And if ultimate gifts brings back
( Ngl I would love that to happen BUT)
Tons of veterans will be extremely mad
I usually buy candles. Because I like to skip on season's pass. This new system going to force me to buy season's pass. That's what I dislike about it.
Lol I only strive to get 10 candles a day
Spending hours for candler running is too boring for me XD
I know it could be better, but that's not how reality works. Even if you work hard, there are moments in life that really bites you at your back. Who knows TGC's decision, they see the bigger picture than us after all.
talking about unhealthy, should be lucky if you are not in China...
Gamers under 18 will be banned from playing online between 22:00 and 08:00. They will also be restricted to 90 minutes of gaming on weekdays and three hours on weekends and holidays.
Wait is the upcoming season of dreams in beta,?
Ohhh ok ty
this is a majority rules vote though? if the game receive multiple players saying the same thing about the unhealthy standards of farming and grinding in the game is doesn’t matter if there is a minority that feels otherwise they are trying to find the compromising sweet-spot between the two. the people that don’t feel pressured are most likely the minority AGAIN TGC know the numbers and you don’t so please stop making assumptions? it must have been a large enough amount of feedback for them to make this change in the first place
even with slow mode on, i can't keep up with all this reading 
I farm candles but not for the candles but for the adventure it brings ... plus I like the animation of the light from the candles swirling around me like metal attracted to a mAgnet .. 😂
Farm 3 candles a day like me. And have all the time in the world to play with krills.
how are the 2 debates still going on, i think tgc gets the message
U can try reporting them. But I despise these people. Don’t play with them. There are a whole bunch of nice and friendly players in Sky
No no, I'm totally fine with free players grinding for it.
It's the double system though. That would be hard to make, and implement into an online game, with hundreds of thousands of people. Especially if the double system requires to know if each person of those has the pass or not.
the fact that is take 3-4 hours a day to complete a full candle run and people are losing sleep and wasting their days because of it at the sake of getting cosmetic items
!reportplayer
Here's some info on how to report players in the game: https://bit.ly/ReportFAQ
You might wanna report it because it may be hacked content
Hello Beta peeps! 
That's right, I don't know specifically how many people complained about relieving pressure. But if they want their pressure to be reduced then they can purchase services for that. That way they will have a choice when to use the pressure relief service and when they find themselves having time to farm candles they will no longer use that service. It is a good option
Nothing has yet been changed, and keep in mind that the majority of players would be those not currently on discord
I’m fine I just come in to learn a thing or two. And to catch up with fellow beta players here. Always get to learn a lot from them here
But that's on their accord? The game isn't forcing you to candle run. ;;;;
Dude, you can do a complete run in less than 3 hours.
Why would it be hard to make? It's been done in almost every online multiplayer game now. I know this is a server about Sky, but consider GTA Online. You can buy in-game cash and purchase items right away or you can grind for it. The system I am proposing is the same thing. If Rockstar Games can do it, why not TGC?
WOOOOOO NEW AREA IN VALLEEEEEEEY BABEY okay carry on
so you want free players to pay to reduce the pressure?? hahahah your entire argument is a fallacy is you believe that
Only with Chibi 
And good flight skills
you can do a cr in less than 2 hours, but around 2 hours is the normal I would say
decrease the amount of candles required for each cosmetic item would be the healthiest ?
TS aren't meant to be in the beta in the first place but many people requested it. 
There are indeed people who pay but what if there are also who pays but doesn't like the TS system giving out for free when they have paid using their hard earned money. You should also consider those people. Afterall, they are the ones who makes the games alive for years.
And as I said, its a mistake of TGC to show TS for free when they could have locked it before. Now they are taking it back, which is very upsetting, but I find it reasonable for the people who pay using their money.
I'm a behemoth, and fly like a plane hijacked by Isis.
for you! if there are enough people complaining about it then that’s that!
cr times are wildly different for different people, don't generalise that everyone is able to complete one in under a few hours 
I'm confused as to which side you're on. Two days back, you were against my view that 'some items should be free for AP and regular candle prices for non-AP'. Now you're endorsing the same view. Pls explain 
So you mean we should lock all the items into the pass because free players will no longer have the pressure to farm candles? And then they turned to another pressure
Okay. I tried to prevent myself from getting involved with TS discussion but I’ll say it.
I am thankful for this new TS system. There. I said it. I am thankful that TGC is reducing the grind for us taking our Heath into consideration. Sure, it has a few loose screws. But I’m sure TGC is working hard to make both sides happy, despite how hard it must be to please both f2p and p2w sides of the community. I admire their kindness and concern towards us. But in all honesty, we (I) shouldn’t be staying up until 2 AM every night playing Sky only to wake up at 6 AM to get ready for school over some silly cosmetics. But I should seriously speak for myself.
Interesting point. If that's how it should go, then I won't disagree with this.
Oh, they sit on the campfire
and say these words, so others can see them
You can report them in game
!reportplayer
Here's some info on how to report players in the game: https://bit.ly/ReportFAQ
hope we have a season were there's a couple spirit where we see them fall in love, but yes still family friendly
am here to say, what has they done to the ts in beta TvT
There u go. Report their rude behaviours. Those meanie folks. Ruin the game
And obviously there are many free-to-play players who disagree with this change, so why shouldn't it be reconsidered? It was just an experiment, not a decision
Because people who play the season and purchase a pass during the season get added benefits, the seasonal pendent, ultimate gifts etc
Then it's their fault. If they want something for free. They gotta grind for it.
follow Uber during online class & working hour not consider as unhealthy right? since I am not really looking at the screen 
That's their choice to pay money though?? Like they don't have to. It should also be a choice to cr. Both is good. We shouldn't have this higharchy for people who can and can't pay. That's not what sky is about
#beta-announcements message read the orange bulletpoints!
Don’t be affected by those players. Join the bright side. Let them stay at the dark side 🤣😇
After a while, I can say...
In my opinion, the new ts system is good. You had to pay before, you should have to pay a little now. I myself don’t have the AP. But I think this is maybe a good decision.
My sunglasses are melting
i think its unhealthy even though Im also guilty of doing this 
Like it has been confirmed many times, the TS system was never a way to get free items, it was a way for newer players to catch up, yeah i don’t like the new system but thats the truth.
that’s the problem... it’s not anyone’s fault that they prioritise their daily lives over a game and miss out on items. if the game was never meant to be centred around tirelessly farming for items we wouldn’t be seeing changes like this. currently it is an unhealthy environment with people burning out
Yes, TGC actually cares about our health, and is genuinely concerned.
That's what the new season is partly about. A girl who has a dream, working to obtain said dream. 2020 has been sucky for all of us, so TGC is giving us a little hope, and happiness this new season.
I don't disagree with the current Beta TS system, if it's for everyone health. It does actually make grinding easier. A lot easier. But I do believe there is a better system out there somewhere.
🍭
I know this isn't relevant information but I went backwards to like a few hours ago and you guys are kind of talking in circles... can someone summarize the views on each side so this argument can be easier to settle 
You don't understand... adding an item with the value of money is a WHOLE different matter. You yourself said that "money doesn't grow on trees". What if these people who work so hard and got the money to pay for their pass yet when they learned it will be free in the following months or years. Isn't that just upsetting? You don't know how people earned their money. That's why I understand their concern.
Oh,thanks!!!

And devs made changes when they know there are many people complaining about the pressure of candle farming but obviously they don't know all. If they knew all the opinions and knew which was the best option, they would not have consulted us. Dev knows through feedback, but it is not enough to give them a specific decision which is why they are testing the system.
I still prefer a double system. Half free if AP and work hard if f2p.
The entire discussion regarding the new TS system is moving in circles since 2 days. but well that's how discussions go in mass forums like this 
I wish they make farming less taxing especially those who have to study or play only after a long day and continue late into night. Very unhealthy for them
Yeah I don’t understand the point of arguing about the same thing over and over, I’m sure TGC gets the point holy
The Ultimate Rewards are never free. I doubt they'll ever be free. Isn't that a gigantic advantage?
we were talking about the new season earlier and now we're back to this topic. i wonder who started it haha
On the teaser video I can just imagine going up to those light lit windows and looking through and seeing family’s laughing and unwrapping presents and some sitting at the table feasting ...those ikkle houses look so cozy ...I feel blessed and grateful to have one of those roofs over that keep us warm .. 🤍🕊️🤍
That's why I'm defending the current Beta TS system. But if someone has a better solution, then I'll be happy to support that instead.
grinding itself is not unhealthy, bad time management is. some people still spend hours on game even they finish cr.
"Money doesn't grow on trees" --> "Time doesn't grow on clocks as well"
TGC: we all know these. We got it. We feel ya.
You realise the TS system has been around for ages, since rhythm, people know that the cosmetics are gonna come back, and if they fail to remember that’s their problem, the ts system is no big secret, it’s known that cosmetics are coming back
I gonna cry if you can get Ult for free.
I usually start CR at 12AM a since I am in TGC timezone. I usually stop at 2 AM with two realms finished. Yes, my CRs take an hour because my lack of sleep causes me to lose my sense of directi- slams into a wall 
I work in the day. After school I do homework. And y’all know how much homework highschool gives you. I do some chores in the day and I usually have the most time at night, starting at 9PM. I do play games between those times. But not enough time to run a full realm. 
Sooo I just exposed my unhealthy habits.
It will be free the following months but since they're working. They won't have as much time to grind compare to free players. I'm a paying players, the reason I but IAP is because I lack time. If I have a lot of free time on my hand to grind. I wouldn't be spending on IAP. No matter how much cash I have.
Okay lads and gals, how about we move on from this? React with a star if you want to move on
Reminds me of me, since my mom gives me daily pocket money (RM10) and the AP is RM41.99, so I usually save RM1-2 so I can eventually buy the pass when it becomes available for preorder 
Ik this is off topic and I apologize, if I should delete jusy say 
Nah, that's impossible
can't wait to try out all our spinny/dance emotes on the dreams icerink 
Same. I don't even buy AP and I'll probably never get the chance to get any Ultimate Rewards but it's unfair if they ever become free.
Yeah but if it's free , then they won't be able to get the ultimate gifts
Dev balancing game, not a strict teacher, they don't have a TS system to force players not to farm candles, they change so that those who want to reduce the pressure have a chance to reduce the pressure. So for pass discount feature is the most reasonable thing right now.
Hahaha, couldn't have been me.... Nope.... Not... One bit.... 
i just wanna know opinions, and try to get everyone to work on a new system together that everyone is happy about. Or almost.everyone. I'm sorry 
how about daily login gift for very small amount of candles?
Time is always the precious gift you can give to someone because you can never return it. However, can you make the game ALIVE for years using their hard-worked time?
obviously trying to distract everyone at this point Hey anyone wanna talk about that weird hole in the side of the cliff in Isle of Dawn. Like. I keep getting stuck in those cloud man. Whoo.
Okay now to the people who reacted, try to avoid the TS discussion, the more people who move on the better
Yes yes! New topic!
UPDATE ON MY FRIEND’S SITUATION WITH LIVE AND BETA
“It seems that is was a one time.
For now at least.”
Child have some faith. At least you finally got it working. 
how about daily login gift for very small amount of candles?
@fallen forum you can online then go to the map has big boi candles instead
Haha lucky XD My mom gives me like 15USD every three months. It’s fine to mention it, there’s no need to delete
Those are daily quests. They range from 5 to 20 minutes to do.
Lol I downloaded the Beta app
Even though it said it was closed
Is that even possible–
@agile cape maybe we’re getting lost in translation you said “But if they want their pressure to be reduced then they can purchase services for that” so your saying that players who are tireless farming for candles to complete the ts should pay for the AP the alleviate the pressure? if that pressure is felt by a larger audience than you know, this is why the TS system was introduced in the first place. i don’t think you guys realise how hard it might to to code and develop a system that allows free players to purchase with copious amounts of candles but for paying players to get the same item for free. it might have to be one or the other. and from what the devs are saying it will most likely stay the same
My idea of what the sides are:
I like the new pay system since it's unhealthy to grind
I've also seen on this side: I want it to be behind a paywall because that's fair to players who pay to have it to themselves
On the other hand:
That's their choice to pay or grind but both should be an option
I've also seen: they should lower the prices if the devs are concerned about players who don't pay grinding
how?! 
Anyway what do you people want to see in his new season?
Snowmen
So I'm talking about that cloud jail because I finally figured out how to get out of it? Its easy. Go home.
It has been stated that the TS system is just a catching mechanic. And as I said, its a mistake of TGC to introduce it as free when they could have just AP locked before. And I said again and again, its very upsetting they are just returning how they were before.
I'm confused too 😂
I went there to see if it was open and the install thing showed up
Oo on the idea of snowmen the weather condition of "snow" might be fun
It might be hard to code such a system, but there are literally hundreds of publishers who have done so. If they can, why not TGC?
man i just want to be a yeti in sky
ah i see the point of reducing candles needed for TS cosmetics now.. to partially solve the unhealthy issue
Then I also discovered another hole next to that cloud jail, that is directly in the cliff. Weiiird
How do you like this idea:
People who have a pass for the new season will be able to get things from wanderers for free, they will only need to redeem the main branch
People who do not have a Season Pass will receive items by buying with the regular candles they have accumulated
Ap holders payed for their adventure pass and worked hard to get the ults. So those who want the ults from past seasons (me included) should do something similar to that, as my friend suggested, a scavenger hunt with hints but you need an ap from a past season or from the current season. Also, if we take in count that every ults belongs to a different season and those who get them had to pay every season for an ap, I think that only one ap that you have should be use for two ults from a past season.
I don't think it's TGC's intention to make anyone upset. They probably know it's a mistake, and that's why they want us to chat about it.
Hey, wanna talk about how hype season test is gonna be? Sure, there’s gonna be bugs, but- sneak peak 👀👀
it’s the most inclusive idea, tgc would have already thought of it and i just can’t can’t see it happening
But some people can't afford that is the thing-
Has anyone checked to see if the hole is there in live too? 
Season of Dreams
NastyMold must be celebrating
so you're telling basically that your 10 bucks wich give you around 25% extra candles during a season, allows you already to have double the items for free in comparison to f2p in less than 2 months (playing around 10 minutes daily) also months ahead and 2 or 3 exclusive items worth more then f2p playes waiting for around 10 months after a season ends and paying around 600 candles and 50 hearts by doing doing cr (wich will take around 34 days playing 2 hours daily)?, also they dont get those extra candles and don't get those exclusive rewards.
imo the AP already have enough value, no need to AP lock more items for f2p playes just for AP value reasons, I think there are some different reasons that I can see more suitabled to a ts system change
Distraction incoming

Exactly, using money is on a whole different matter. I feel like people are so blinded to F2P that they could not see the hardships of those AP holders.
Have faith and enjoy the game. Have fun with friends and make farming happier if you have time. If u don’t have time maybe don’t force yourself to farm for 2-3 hours and rest early I guess.
We don't know who the specific complainants are, pay or don't pay. And the more we don't know whether devs know that or not. Dev clearly needs everyone's move to make a concrete decision. And many free players think they are fine with the old system, which is why it is necessary to reconsider building new systems. Nothing is right at all or inherently right here, that's why developers always need ideas to improve. They may not have known who the pressures were before but now they know there are a lot of free players that are good at farming candles.
Yup, that's the way. But people who doesn't spend any cash on the game shouldn't really complain about the grinding aspect of the game. Because this is what happen when you're ungrateful for the free stuff.
Bruh
What item do y’all want next in sky?
i say this because it would be directly equating money to time and in relation to tgcs values it doesn’t match up
A hat probably
I want a hat so bad
Look, i’m just saying that the ts system is a second chance system to get things you couldn’t for ANY reason. Now it’s not my fault that people fail to remember that seasonal spirits are gonna return or love the exclusivity of seasonal items to the point where some people are just banned from having them.
violin
Imagine the ice skating girl has invisicape as ultimate
Please stop getting baited into talking about ||Tomato Slices||
Point 1 young children can’t afford AP usually
Opposing point: young children don’t have time to grind, with school, having a life, and bedtimes. Also limitations to media use
Young children just can’t win
rip young children
Ocarina, kalimba, or ukulele! I want to collect all the instruments that I have in real life 
What if they can’t afford? I would say just accept it and move on. Forget about whether it is healthy or not. It’s arguable as some would disagree. So let’s just agree to disagree.
so the upcoming maintenance in beta- is the new season coming? 👀
More accessories. And functional items like lantern and campfire. 
i want harmonica
For real, I don't mind paying but they'll still be players arguing about it and if it does happen and ultimate gifts are bringing back,
Some veterans are gonna go crazy too it'll cost another drama
Burning village wax guy
Why can you not see it happening? It's benefiting AP players by reducing their grind, it's encouraging more F2P players to buy the AP in order to reduce their grind, and last but not the least, it is not completely stopping free players from getting TS coemstics. What is so wrong with this that so many AP players disagree with this? It's only a slightly more complicated system, but all parties walk home reasonably happy.

Just enjoy the game the way you like it
But if you were to remember, those items were locked before. So, for me, I see no problem to it at all. But its really sad for everyone.
maybe the office event(days of feast)?
Aight, aight guys, guys....
Seriously, we need civil conversation.
If we can all come together and come up with something that we ALL like, or at least think is FAIR then we can put the whole thing behind us, and test it.
So. That being said, let's get organized. So far, hardly anyone likes the current TS system.
Gimme what you would like to see, when looking at a travelling spirit friendship tree. [Reasonable of course].
Kazoo.
I pay for the pass and pack, that's okay, I don't see a problem with free players having those items. I contribute to a good system and satisfy most people because I simply want to build a good system, that's all.
maybe tgc will be like in the next maintenance: HERE YOU GO THE NEW SEASON
But.. Two weeks different TS
Paying two times a month..
Be hard -
What are y’all’s thoughts on season teaser? Are you excited to test it?
That’s why TGC ran the exchange program, to have some form of compensation. Now everyone knows that cosmetics are coming back, that’s my point
This game shouldn't be about a "veteran" or AP player hierarchy's because it's just a fun game to collect cosmetics,I don't see the need to hoard the old stuff just cus you weren't there or hoard behind paywalls because of whatever reason
Maybe just enjoy the games together and happy beta playing too. We can always agree to disagree. Just our very own opinions
A rubber chicken instrument. 
Ice Skate! Ice Skate! Ice Skate! Ice SkATE
That kid be popping
I will laugh if chibis are smaller than her–
They probably are XD
Ts spirits return .. no one says you have to get it all at once
Thought the TS stuff would be down, guess I was wrong
I like hoarding candles
I can't wait to find all the bugs 
you are paying for the AP once for a season.. no need to pay twice unless the TS falls out of two seasons
The ultimate gift shouldn't return. I don't have ultimate gift but I think ultimate gift shouldn't return as it one the way to appreciate paid players. And I bought AP lol
ngl to me it seems a little underwhelming compared to prophecy, but I hope TGC makes it better this time too 
Same XD but hey- season’s a season 👀
Not candles- I mean cosmetics omo
I might even have difficulty playing Triangle in Sky...
And I think I don’t like the way the wedges of our wings just keep getting more and more, higher and higher. Hmm. Does it sound a abut competitive now?
A tip for everyone! Not everything will stay the same! If you want to remember how different it looked like back then take. A lot. Of screenshots. The trials looked a lot more lifeless back then than they do now.
I am hopeing and praying that we won't have to do the races to get to the new area. Belonging Valley maze kind of killed the races for me. Plus, it would be at least a 5 minute transition, which is longer than Ark even.
I'm serious though. I hate seeing people fight about TGC's idea anymore.
I just want to solve it, so everyone can be happy. I will stay up all night just to come up with a solution for you all, if you guys won't compromise. So.
Again. I'm asking for you all to please have a civil conversation, and help create a TS system we will all enjoy.
You want them to get lesser and lesser? 
Will the girl be the leading spirit this time? So far as we can see she doesn't seem to hold any special items, maybe an emote?
Nah, it's okay the way it is.
did there already say when will start pre-oder the new season?
I agree. We should either get a warp to it in Valley home area or it not being through the race
So veteran players get more wedges and higher “level”?
Yes tbh I agree, but some veterans are just .. pure selfish and mean - you get what I mean ,
Yea I paid for adventure passes and I really don't mind seeing others having the same things that we needed to pay before but free after but some veterans just-
Yeah on dec 15
I think it's kind of funny that the other spirit in the trailer just stands there ominously 
Didn't tgc say that they want to make some way for the ult.gifts to come back though?
There is no need to freak out, we are just having a friendly discussion, it's not a warzone. It's been going on since 2 days and it's okay if people share their views more openly. But remember to share your thoughts about it in #beta-feedback
another idea for relieving ts stress is to maybe if they let everyone know which ts are coming way in advance?? so people can choose whether or not to grind instead of having to wait till two days before to find out
naah I think 10 wedges are enough for candle running but hey its also great to have more wl
What does that have to do with anything? I’m a veteran and I don’t even have that many wedges.
she's one of the only spirits with shoes, so maybe ult pants?
noooo i love the races, if they revamped them and made them a little more fun then i’d be down for sure
I personally barely see a difference between my 7 wedges after rebirth while doing cr compared with 10 or 11 wedges :v, alone may have a difference but with a friend is absolutely minimal
Like the man in the water during Floor is Lava bug event?
Who wants to bet the Yeti spirit is like the coach
Well, does it matter how many wedges or how high that level is to you? As long as you can fly, it's all good.
||You can start from wasteland and move backwards, to the valley temple and then colloseum||
With that said, offer discounts for pass holders and keep the same price as before for those who don't.
ooooh pants
thanks~
It wasn't that friendly about 15 minutes ago. 
Yup alone maybe more wedges will help. With friends u can get recharged constantly without worrying of running out of light
They're probably thinking 'what a noob' 
Ty for the tip!
That's what I meant ,
For example if the first two weeks is a light seeker ts I don't really mind paying it
But the after two weeks is rhythm ts that means I'll have to pay again-
I would love the little girl to be the QG! But I'm not sure what she would bring as ultimates. The shoes?
@hasty vessel Really? Well, each to their own. 
@halcyon vine That's not really a short cut timewise.
I have many wedges and still falling down from dark tree every single day -_-
PANTS ult
gasp Ice skating pants???
That would be neat
Still better than doing races everytime u want to go there
what about s h o e s ?
But that would be two seasons of AP isn't it? You still get new season items , don't u?
guys thanks for your feedback and genuine reply.
Agree. I hope it is something not so tiring.
And I also hope that it's not just a portal and "that's it" lol.
but how would you walk on the grass

A dress?! 
Skating everywhere though
The dress + shoes as an ult would be cool
You're getting the system kinda wrong Stephy. As long as you have the current AP, you can get every TS no matter what season they are from.
Who agrees with the discount for those who have a pass and keep the price of the candle for those who don't?
Ice skating pants is what everyone’s hyped about! Hopefully she’ll be qg and that’s the Ult
Would it be random for me to ask who wants to be friends in sky here–
Yes, they know cosmetics are coming back, but as I said the value of those items are just something on a different matter since you pay using your money. I could argue that everyone can candle run, both AP and non-AP. Thus, having those AP locked items will give exclusivity and reward to the AP holders remarkably but definitely divide the game, which is sad.
I just woke up because it is only 8 o'clock in France and ... CAN WE GO ICE SKATING? IT IS TALKING THAT IT IS STARTING TO REALLY TALK ABOUT LORE

It has been a long-standing wish that we get shoes...
This would be logical.
Shoes are a crime against skymanity nods head
Our feet work just as good as shoes in ice
looool shoes i want stilettos please!
Only boogie boi gets shoes 
IT’S NEVER TOO EARLY TO START TALKING LORE! THAT’S THE SPIRIT OF A LORE MOFF!

By the way are they working on the friends constellation ? And the meditation point? I find that rather problematic. The constellations get flooded and hide many of friends away. While meditation point, the design to skip through all the friends a bit time consuming and tiring to handle
Yeah!
Our feet is specially made for ice. No need for shoes
didn't GW elder have cool shoes aswell
The benefits of the pass is that you can get the cosmetics sooner. If you’re F2P player, then you’re gonna have to wait an ENTIRE SEASON and possibly more to get the prophecy cosmetics, much later after prophecy has gone into obscurity.
I change my mind give us the pointy shoes-
Best shoes ever, very queer i love that 
I do pay for the pass too, but if the ultimate gift aren't coming back
I do think some people will think that why they should pay real money when some people just want the ultimate gifts
If they really do be adding paying real money In the future and not bringing the ultimate gifts back, tbh the AP should be cheaper
What if with the shoes you went faster/slower on snow/ice
I want to commission someone to draw GW elder in high heels- it’s just an urge XD prob won’t
But imagine skating on your bare feet.
What? I don’t live in a place where it snows. So I’ve been imagining my whole life. 
Am I the only one who got blinded when the bell rang when looking for any missing people on my constellations?
Why does the village reminds me of ||frozen||
Ult gifts should return though- maybe at least for android users
literally out here missing 4 seasons
You would only need to buy a new AP if the TS falls between the seasons, which would probably only happen with one TS, looking at the schedule we've had lately. For example, the next TS arriving after Prophecy ends would have all its items available if you bought the Season of Dreams pre-order.
This reminds me of yuri on ice
Simply give discounts for those with a pass and keep the same price as before for those who don't. Just because a developer gives the system a try initially doesn't mean it's correct.
what
That's fair here on android
Because it is in a place where there is snow, and films the most seen or there is a village and snow is Frozen ;)
Also sad for Yuri on ice, most seen with ice skating-
Keep on giving! We’re here to give feedback, catch bugs, and- have fun!
Hmmm...recently after you collected the light from your friends, it get refreshed and your friend’s name get shifted elsewhere and u need to find them to light their name again. Did you encounter that?
Awww new trailer looks amazing, now we become sky children on ice
Had the same discussion yesterday and it ended just fine so
Multiple time. Is that a bug? I thought it's intended that way.
Okay guys (x2). But bear with me. RUBBER CHICKEN INSTRUMENT! RUBBER CHICKEN!! 
Was it disclosed somewhere that’s the new design? I’m not sure though
I assure you that if there is a bigger place dedicated to ice skating ... Nothing to do during the season I will find all the bugs of this place where you skated 
Chicken Call 
OMG YES PETITION FOR RUBBER CHICKEN
valley ice skating rink is nice but not so nice when your skid somehow falls into one of the holes there
I have that kind of problem, maybe I have too many around over 100 friends in my list. Other times I have to block my inactive friends for the sake of light candles and give hearts as promise
Is it me or am I strangely excited about the rubber cricket instrument?! I really must be sleep deprived...
Okay (x3), but Kazoo.
Imagine bulidinh up enough speed and just glitching into a wall
I don't keep up with updates so I automatically assume it's the way the dev intended it to be. Since it happens a lot frequent
I want butterfly call 
Same here.
Why spam honk when you can Rubber Chicken the heck out of people tbh-
But can we talk about these supposed community missions or challenges! What could they be?
i think it was mentioned in #known-issues 👀
Were the benefits of the pass ever defined by the TGC? I find it hard to agree when the benefits of the pass has been vagued for people. I for one, defined benefits of the pass as solely for getting the ultimate gifts, not because of getting it early. But with this current TS system, they are also including those AP locked items. Which definitely bring more value to Adventure Pass.
However, if the benefits has been officially defined, then I would retort this statement.
Wow 🤩 just saw the seasonal video so exciting love new area and the village can’t wait to start testing hope there will be falling snow ❄️ and I saw a star kid in the village 😉
This is not speed...It will be ✨s p e e d✨
Server maintenance on Friday- that’s the day I have the most free time

Thanks @mighty fractal
has anyone tried to talk to the mantas?
deep honk or repeated regular honk seems to call their attention and they actually stopped flying mid air while talked back to us... is that actually a feature or just my phone being funny-
this happened in live btw-
People are getting roped into ||Teletubby Sponges|| again quick guys distraction!!
we all play differently, of course, but if you are in beta you should keep up to date with the latest patches and known issues, so you know what to give feedback on and report as bugs. That is our mission, after all. 😉
I want mayonnaise as an instrument⭐
oh god no-
Kazoo. Rubber chicken. Mayonnaise. Just yes. Season of randomness
I really do not like discount, I prefer free. But I am also with the TS being free, but I just have mixed feelings with those who HARD-EARNED their money to buy the pass. But, thats just me.
@hollow compass I was wondering the same about the challenges , I’m very much looking forward to what is coming 🤍
Candle discounts for pass holders also increase the value of that pass
I get the AP because I want something early. And have the rest of seasonal candles convert to candles. I don't get the ult gift because I'm more into cape more than other.
Go play on live hehe
skating quest? 
THE COOLDOWN I FORGET, oh it 1 minute
Sometimes I reported issues which later I found already been reported earlier
You're all forgetting the Potato Whistle
One of the capes would be a color guard flag. Because randomness.
But, they have been defined, twice the rewards, ultimate gifts, daily candle and pendent those are the benefits. It even says on the AP IAP that the spirits will eventually return as travelling spirits but it’s much more favourable to collect items during the season, the IAP brochure says that.
But that's good. For the devs to be able to pinpoint an issue, it is often very helpful to see that it happens on various devices and OS.
That's why we have to add that discount function. Pass holders will not have to put in the same effort as someone who does not have a pass. Those who do not have to farm candles to get free items while pass holders only have to spend a little effort
Can we have the queens guard cosmetics? I would love to roleplay as a queen's guard.
there's also 90-100 extra candles, I sent this minutes ago asking you something about it: 
#beta-discussion message
Sweet dreams are made of screams (honk!)
TGC : releases a trailer for the next season
Us: What abt Any food as instrument?
Dev and Community Elder : 
Hi guys! Do you know anything about adding the new cape in live?
if there is a new area in valley what would you all like to see?
they will eventually add those to live, but no one knows when
Indiana Jones rolling stone challenge. But with snowball. Huge snowball
Snow people maybe, or an igloo
You will not need to buy a pass to get the item, but you will have to spend a lot of candles to get it. If you have a pass, the items that were the costumes of the pass last season will not require you to pay many candles.
Okay so I talked about this a while back, like when I first joined this server, and this is a really big thing but- your own house.
We must try to intercept the ||Taylor Swift (I’m sorry
)|| debate. What culture representation would you like to see?
home but not really because you have to share it with everyone
This season seems to talk more directly about more with the spirits ... Just that suits me perfectly! Explicit lore time 
Also yes floor is lava challenge 
Also, like everyone else, snowmen!
i want to see a yeti family 
Nothing feels like home like a house with only me and the whole server 
snow: children of winter XD
The serious answer would be: since it's a season of dreams, it doesn't have to be related to anything real. But the snow yeti we saw in the photo....hm...Tibetan?
Do you wanna build a snowman? music intensifies 
I personally want more traditional Japanese representation because I really really like traditional Japanese fashion, culture, architecture, etc. Imagine in Sky going over one of those red bridges you see in a Japanese garden. 
Floor is lave challenge is pretty much the water trial
Beta update comes soon like this week ? Cuz when they uploads the teaser, the update comes very soon
Japanese culture is amazing! I’d definitely agree I wanna see that
...Buddy you were you there the previous season?..

That's just raises the value of AP more, if the TS system will be implemented in live. But what can I say to the people who uses their money. It's their hardships.

cries in Sims 4 Snowy Escape "Japanese culture"
You meant the beta for season of prophecy? Nah man, got ptsd because of that.
Oooh well I'm all for the Asian and Middle Eastern representations but, to be honest, what I really wanna see, with all my hearts, is the inside of that big castle thing in gw that you can spot from a distance. Just a whole Castlevania style dungeon.
biff
BTW please don't give the season name given by a hacker. Thanks 
that's the value that AP had always since the ts was introduce, 10 bucks for that is already enough imo
As I said why not just free for AP holders, I could see that as a better compromise.
Um, you do know the new season is actually called Season of Dreams?
yeti vs vault hair, who will win
vault yeti
I don't understand your opinion clearly
Season of pocket-sized night time lives.
Then you could just buy AP, not do anything during the season(aside from candles) and hey you got all the items already despite making no effort tbh
Can’t wait for the new season btw
This is an official name ? 
I mean this was say by TGC?
Ok my bad lmao
Fun fact: I thought the yeti looked like the shark costumes from a halftime show.
The latest teaser is available for all to see in #news
I haven't played sky in a while now you're all talking about a new TS system and a yeti???
Sounds like fanmade name huh
What did you guys dream about last night?
man i love they try new things every new season
Show them the Yeti!!
The TS system will not be locked but the AP holders can get those supposedly AP-locked for free, not in discount, as opposed to non-AP holders who will have to pay for the candle price.
The price waiver only applies to items that have been locked in the pass in the previous season. Those that are not in the pass are priced as usual
Ooh ok i just woke up so I didn't take time to saw the #new bc i wanted to see the mess in beta channels x)
Seeing my old friend play again.
dreamt about missing class 
Communist uprising in Sky. Weird dream, I know
so if i got AP i get a discount?
That’s sweet. That’s sad. Me go cry now.
And if we can go in the houses? Oooohh, a residential area for my little world of Sky!
nice to finally know that this is the dreams beta cycle
time to help all dreams moths
I dreamt of passing school applications actually.. . . . .
Well, the greater the value, the greater the demand. But, TGC really does see the bigger picture.
they looked like u could go in them in the teaser
LOOOL thank you 🙏🏽 i completely overlooked it
Last night I dreamed about sniffing paint fumes. Weird dream. I know. I’m questioning it. A lot.
I think I know a solution to the TS problem.
People have trouble grinding.... But only because we don't get those extra white candles during seasons from quests. If TCG lowered the price of TS costs just a little... Then added the option to choose what candles you get during a season, would you all be happy with that?
It keeps the grinding, but eases up on it a bit. Each white candle quest, if I'm not mistaken, gives like 2 candles. That's 8 candles per day.
Plus a half done candle run? That's plenty.
Thought of this while collecting for the Beta TS, we can edit it a little. But I just think it's one of the best options.
Because if people did dailies for seasonal candles every day, you'd have a bunch of seasonal candles left over.
Time to help all Dreams Moths... as a gen prophecy, I get emotional knowing I have kouhais 
Did you happen to have paint nearby?
It might be a sign for something.
No! It was so random. I haven’t seen paint in forever. I was painting a road or something and I just sniffed a large bat of paint
guys so i found a person using Gratitude or lightseeker UG, is it a hacker or smth? 
||Painting emote||
I wouldn't call it discounted, I meant free. You wouldn't have to pay any candles to the supposedly ap-locked item. But those who are non-AP will need to pay using their candles.
hmm it could be that you like the smell of paint 
I will go into hibernation now 
Normal people have dreams about meeting their favorite celebrity...
and meanwhile we’re smelling paint buckets. 
Uhhhhhhhhhh👀 no I don’t.
I was just like- “what if I sniffed the paint?” takes deep breaths
I somehow actually felt lightheaded
If so, then reducing the prices for those with pass is good enough to make people less pressure to farm candles
I wonder what you were doing in he waking world if you got lightheaded...
same
Mr. doctor man that was mysterious with me was like “No, that’s bad. Stop that” and then we went back to a building
Yes. If that's what TCG is going for, then this might be the answer. More or less.
Wait doesn't paint have lead in it. Bro-
And as I said: discount candles for those who have a pass and keep the same price of the same item for those who don't
My dream was weird and random and IDK