I doubt aeri forgot about you, she's very busy with her work. The height fix issue has been our primary focus today. That's why we direct y'all to helpbot so there are multiple people who can look at the conversation and help out.
#beta-discussion
vapid briar
thanks y'all for testing and following up on the hug fix!
depending on the nature of the bug, some things we can fix on the back end, so require a patch update.
empty inlet
i know i know
vapid drum
Shiny boy wanted a real weird hug 😑
sly current
So I “finished” the season and now, alas, I’m stuck with the final cutscene glowing when I assume I gotta wait that time still.
It’s just... a little annoying to see...
Trying to click it results in nothing. The bottom part of the quest giver options glows but with no result.
Truly, mildly annoying at its finest..
vapid drum
Ah , can’t be more worse then the red dot 🔴 we had in the option wheel for almost 5 months 🤣
finite pumice
So I don’t understand how you guys are “finished” if there is still 16 days till the next event.
kindred fossil
unlocked all cosmetics "finished"
sly current
Get the “final reward” of the hair cosmetic
Which I will compliment- it’s a really pretty cosmetic
finite pumice
Right. Thx. No wonder.
spark lance
where did u get the reverence?
hollow compass
I don’t understand how you finished, because to the best of my knowledge I only missed 2 candles (multiplayer quests) and I still have 33 candles left to collect for crab spirit.
storm vessel
I just finished today also
hollow compass
But again, not surprised there is no cut scene, given that the Ark quests aren’t finished yet.
storm vessel
Did you pre order?
hollow compass
There was no pre-order in beta.
storm vessel
There was
hollow compass
Did you guys have lots of candles left over from previous season that didn’t revert?
hollow compass
So weird.
blazing sail
I bought seasonal hearts in Eden from last season when they were still available
So I have the ultimate rewards but still have a couple of things to buy
But also.... I got screwed over with the reshuffle
Lost like 30 candles to it
storm vessel
I just bought everything normally
blazing sail
Others got lucky and ended up with free nodes instead
hollow compass
oh, that must be it!
I didn't do the Eden thing and I probably bought stuff from low-cost spirits before the reshuffle
storm vessel
Did you collect every seasonal candles in the map though?
hollow compass
yes?
I just said, the only thing I missed were two quests because I couldn't find enough people to finish them. the candles are the easy part.
are you sure there was a pre-order, though?
dry pivot
I completed the constellation yesterday I had some leftover candles (didn't count it) + 10 from preorder + 20 from the pass
luckily reshuffles did not affect my purchase, and i did not experience the candle/heart conversion bug either
hollow compass
I remember I had a lot of candles left from the previous season on the first day and spent them all on the zzz spirit, so I had no candles that could be converted. Perhaps I just forgot to count them.
lean snow
Hey so I tried to ask the general chat this but I didn’t get very good advice so I thought I’d come here
I have 118 stars right now. I lost one because I accidentally stepped on a red crystal in Eden, and I have all the spirits but one leveled up. Is there some super hard to find spirit or light that I’m missing?
radiant drum
We’re gonna need more information than that to help. Have you collected all 78 stars available in the levels? Which spirit you haven’t leveled up yet? Did you purchase any wing buffs from traveling spirits? Did you get ||the star in orbit after being reborn||?
Going one by one you can figure out which one you might be missing 😄
lean snow
There’s a star that’s in orbit?
radiant drum
Can you spoiler tag your message please?
Since this isn’t beta related you can take it to #eden-spoilers as well
spark lance
How I become small ?
You wear a chibi mask or take a resize
But resize gives random heights so a chibi mask is safer
But this is not beta related, you better ask questions in #questions-and-help ! This is for mostly beta content and questions related to beta.
late nymph
Hmm... Is the floating table still on?
spark lance
Dunno
umbral summit
Is the ‘capeless cape’ still a potential for Live, and is 999 hearts still the suggested price?
kindred fossil
dont know if itll ever come to live, but the intended price is still 999
random gull
so can you get forest elder hair in beta without buying the capeless cape?
kindred fossil
no iirc
kindred fossil
there are testers stuck at 99% just because of the invisible cape :omegalul:
analog citrus
Yeah... kinda annoying... but beta be beta
vapid briar
beta isn't meant to be a replacement for live, there's really no reason to 100% your beta account, especially since it could all be wiped away in a future update. having the 999 heart invisible cape as a barrier to completion is, albeit inadvertently, saving players from themselves.
random gull
I mean I haven't really been spending candles and hearts on spirits anyways in beta XD I use all my candles on friendship upgrades
vapid briar
Some people genuinely don't realize beta is the test version, or deliberately play beta because everything is free.
analog citrus
We wanna test the cape 😀
empty inlet
no worry, ktjn tested it lol
vapid briar
it works exactly like any other cape. you just can't see it, and no stars appear on your back. I posted a video in #beta-screenshots-videos if you'd like to see it in action.
spark lance
To me it is a placeholder as a tester before I start playing Live version :v
austere merlin
So semi unrelated but the current beta updates queue, some of those will be in the next live build right?
Like the blue cape thing
vapid briar
the current beta build is the same as the live build, content-wise, barring beta-exclusive things like the invisible cape and the shepherd system. just a different build number.
blue cape?
austere merlin
The beta cape
empty inlet
that tgc icon is already in live
random gull
I hope the shepherd system goes to live eventually ❤️ I made a lot of moth friends
austere merlin
The || office|| cape
empty inlet
i dont think devs are focusing on the shepherd system tho
austere merlin
I think the Shepard system is unique tbh
vapid briar
the beta cape hasn't changed since it was implemented. it's no longer available, unless you mean the purchasable version, which also has not changed. we added the little tgc icon for clarity's sake in the last live build because people were mistaking the teal cape for the cyan cape in some lighting.
austere merlin
Yea that’s what I meant
random gull
teal cape has a white underside doesn't it?
austere merlin
That’s a helpful change
vapid briar
there are 2 cyan capes, one cream colored, one black.
empty inlet
white one hurts my eyes
spark lance
Agreed
vapid briar
the cream colored lining is the "beta cape" it was given to iOS beta testers who helped us develop sky for almost 2 years before global release. the black lining is the founder's cape that is given when you buy the founder's pack of candles as a token of appreciation for supporting sky financially.
there's pictures of these capes pinned in this channel
random gull
-totally has not spent close to $100 on in game merch-
empty inlet
tbh the bat cape and other time limited items like it give more financial support than the founder's pack imo
random gull
I'm really hoping for halloween stuff this year (October birthday woo!) I know that's a ways off but my wallet is ready
vapid briar
I can't talk about exact numbers, but the things that support Sky's continued development the most might surprise you.
empty inlet
season pass?
vapid briar
haha, i'm a sucker for anything halloween too
random gull
candle packs? cuz like I met a moth last week and holy heck were they enthusiastic. they've already completed the season with seasonal candle packs they bought and upgraded so many friends with candles they bought XD
I will protect that moth. they are too precious
empty inlet
i doubt it would be candle packs, the reason of me wanting to buy candles packs makes me feel guilty
random gull
no shame in wanting cosmetics! especially with how quick the travelling spirits come and go. I've seen several people buy candle packs to finish travelling spirits
empty inlet
wanting to accelerate completion progress is somewhat similar to boosting in idle games to me
random gull
no shame in that. I stopped candle running daily once I got the elder hair I wanted most in live XD I think if I'd had the money when I first started playing I might have bought more candle packs to get that hair faster myself
I just wear my seasonal wizard hat in beta though because of above mentioned possibility of data wipe
pulsar edge
What does the shepherd system do? I dont really make friends in beta
empty inlet
it's a mysterious friendliness ranking system
pulsar edge
Yes i know that
random gull
"mysterious" but from someone with a shepherd bagde: I can tell who's actually a moth in game and they can see my shepherd badge so they know who to approach for in game help
crisp plinth
I have no idea how it's measured but I'm a shepherd so lul
spark lance
Yeah
slim kayak
I'm currently a Shepard but sometimes it goes down
empty inlet
my account created months ago is still a moth tho
pulsar edge
Yeah how is it measured lol
crisp plinth
I've probably lost it by now haha I haven't played in a week
empty inlet
no one know exactly how it's measured
slim kayak
I remember that giving hearts for the first time gave the bar a boost
But after that I'm not sure why it went up
vapid drum
I lost Shepard after not actively playing beta for like 2 weeks when I was on holiday , and I’ve got it back after actively lighting friends again for 2 weeks
random gull
I got it within a week of starting beta. I didn't really pay attention to that bar until someone told me I had a weird symbol over my head XD
pulsar edge
/
empty inlet
dinner time, afk for now, have a nice day yall
spark lance
Does it measure how active we are?
slim kayak
When I started I dont remember seeing the Shepard icon on anyone
pulsar edge
What does the game tell moths about shepherds?
random gull
I also have to take off for a bit ^^;
vapid drum
Enjoy your meal , and kanpai 🥂
slim kayak
But I see the moth icons all the time
vapid drum
The new players in live are pretty quick on picking up the game. I never have to wait to@long at the 8 player with new players at it 🤗
Kinda surprised , thought it would take longer for them to understand
crisp plinth
The elevator isn't a problem for me, the actual puzzle tho...
pulsar edge
Its not really hard to understand the eleveyo
Im more surprised that there are people who dont get it
crisp plinth
The most trouble I've had is moths not knowing they can take their candle out from the emotes menu
slim kayak
Lucky! I've had a different experience with moths in the elevator. But I do my best to show them what to do
pulsar edge
And the moths that need to light everyone up
slim kayak
Hmm... maybe that's why it's hard for some
pulsar edge
Cause they press every button that appears on the screen
crisp plinth
Yep lol... Used to be me 🙃
spark lance
That could be a reason they need shepherds
slim kayak
I've once had 3 moths try to friend me at once while doing the puzzle
I'm a little curious on the current status of the Shepard system. Is it ever gonna go live?
vapid drum
Talking about the 8 player , I’ve seen pics in the old beta group of the beginning of the 8 player
Is there someone who can explain what it was that people needed to do to get access to the 8 player ??
There were big boulders in the photo with shining wheels at it that people had to light ?
slim kayak
Huh. I've never seen the old photos. That's interesting
vapid drum
I still can’t explain the feeling and the difference with the old version and that new version of sky prairie, the old version seemed more eerie and mysterious
spark lance
That Shepherd system is stated mysterious, so we never gonna know how it works.
narrow valley
appears like my beta character's natural height is 3, while my main player is actually as small as can be, so naturally the two handle much differently
When I first got beta, handling the newly born moth felt so awkward I was like "is this how I started playing sky" but later on I noticed that I was typically taller than anyone I encounter
finite pumice
gosh @vapid drum I've forgotten what it even looked like now. I don't know if I have any shots in my archive. I'll take a look later today and see if I can remember.
wrt the constant requests for the invisible cape and so on in beta, apart from the possibility/probability that it would affect our ability to test new stuff briefly, I reckon it's high time for another beta status wipe. This might help reinforce to the beta-not-beta testers that life in beta is not about the 100%, or about getting everything. After the beta wipe, I let myself get to I think 7 wedges, which is enough to be able to play through, experience the new stuff, report on issue, but not obsess on having all the stuff. Ppl here for the 'wrong' reasons, don't need to be discouraged as such, as they are still exercising the system, but they probably aren't helping as much as would have been useful. Up to TGC of course; it might go against the current dev needs, but I'm all for it.
And, no please don't bring the caste system to live. We don't need to be given status symbols.
I must say, that TGC's response and compensation system is very generous.
random gull
it's not a caste system though?? It seems to be a "hey new players this person is friendly and more likely to help you out if you need a friend"
finite pumice
to me that's a status symbol. and as soon as you have that, you have those with, and those without.
random gull
definitely not how I viewed it...
finite pumice
fair enough. perhaps you have the better way of looking at it. there are a lot of instance where my viewpoint is not in line with the majority.
spark lance
I can say is depend of the players' motive and their way playing the game despite what kind of versions or what devices or OS they are in.
The concept in this game itself is beautiful, it overally promotes the sense of community among the people from different countries, which I really support the idea because it causes us to develop more understanding among each other despite different culture and language barrier, which we learn.
Unfortunately, in the game from what I observed since early March I found that instead enjoying the game some players are more focus on how to make use of the bugs or flaws in the game instead reporting them (while some methods are out of ToS) to get more candles to trade hearts to unlock certain cosmetics, hence once they do they can flex all they want among their newer peers. (Where the root of all attitude problems or dramas take place)
To some, on the positive side enjoy the overall game, the background music, the lore as a form of meditation or topic in gaming life; or a space to get themselves out of busy life; and also able to create their own contents out from the game, which promotes creative minds (that is good)
To some, just plainly doing their job as testers, like a hobby to spend their free time. As for myself, it always have been my habit to complete the game, especially the favourite ones before I move on(Sky is one of them), and giving bug reports whenever I am online in the hope that the devs are aware of the problems we encountered in the game, so the game will develop in better way in the future.
So every players have different styles of playing the game so there are no rights and wrongs about it, as long as it is not illegally done to de-value the concept or ultimately throws the entire game community in havoc.
P/s: My fingers are tired from typing :v
minor robin
From what I've seen so far with the shepherd system, as someone who hasn't filled that mysterious gauge, I do not see icons of either shepherds or heart icons over newbie moths.
Tho a friend who has gotten shepherd status told me I had a little heart over my head when I started, but it was soon gone. Sky Peter I can understand your concerns about have-VS-have-nots but from my personal perspective as a newish beta player, it does not have much impact on me. I don't covet after shepherd status either.
hollow compass
They changed the shepherd system a bit: in the beginning everyone could see everyone else's symbol over their heads and it got a lot of complaints for cluttering the screen. After that they changed it to only be visible for those you light up. The point about it being a status symbol or not relies on whether we know what influences its filling of the gauge. But the most concerning point I've seen raised is actually that some shepherds might see it as a fun game to troll newbies. Us beta testers generally have a good code of conduct, but "out there in the real world" of Live (
) there are many people who do like to troll and disrupt.
As to a beta wipe: yes, why not. I remember the shock of the first one right before iOS launch when our progress was erased. It was new territory and some people were genuinely shaken. Then another where we all had to reapply again and some people missed it, because they weren't on social media or here. 
Although, to be honest, I'm not sure a wipe would bring in new more active beta testers in the way Peter hopes. Too many still seem to see beta as early access, rather than a "mission". I don't know, but I still like to think of it as an honour role. You take this on and promise to try and better the game by testing (and playing as normally as you can).
minor robin
ohh I had no idea about shepherd system’s earlier days. the trolling aspect is definitely concerning lol, the only way I can imagine it being balanced out is if the gauge decreases when the player becomes passive and performs less actions that cause the gauge to fill. Troll or be less friendly = moth vision canceled.
slim kayak
I thought it already did that? I've seen my bar decrease a few times when I'm not interacting with others very often
minor robin
oh huh, I didn’t notice but then again maybe my beta performance is just breaking even 
hollow compass
I generally never interact with anyone in beta these days, because not a lot of friends seem to be playing when I'm on. I am still a shepherd...
dusky viper
I would love to become a beta tester and I see it the same way as an "Honour Role" I am in love with this game, I want to help it become so great, I want to help other players and I love the story the art and the experience! How did you become beta testers?
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slim kayak
It does seem to take a while for it to go down....
I haven't really seem many players online for a few weeks and I'm still a Shepard
hollow compass
I think I saw something about the game on Twitter, possibly because I played Monument and then someone else recommended Journey...or because I had played Journey on PS4 and was following TGC on Twitter? Anyway, I applied and then got an e-mail a few months later. I started playing beta actively in August 2018, but I do have screen shots from June as well.
I have been very lucky to be able to get back in every time there has been an account wipe!
minor robin
that’s a really kind sentiment, nursefisher 
even if you don’t get into beta there’s lots of other meaningful ways to help out peeps and contribute to the community. like #questions-and-help
slim kayak
My friend on ios recommend the game to me, but we were sad to see that android wasn't available yet. A week later, the November waves happened, and I got a spot! I like being able to test the game so that my friend and everyone else can enjoy it
minor robin
I joined beta recently during the march Android opening wave. I wouldn’t be upset if beta progress is reset at any moment but if I had to re-register as a brand new account... oof. I’d feel bad for the peeps who made friends in beta and lose contact with them all. Again.
hollow compass
what usually happened was your access was wiped, but not your progress
minor robin
ohhh good to know
hollow compass
it's the same way you can't delete an account, I believe
minor robin
hmmm upon further thought with the shepherd system, I feel like it is kind of unnecessary? Kind ppl gonna be kind without prompting. That’s the minimal and core beauty of altruism, doing things simply because it is the right thing to do.
hollow compass
I agree. I never liked the shepherd system and have always protested it wildly. 
I don't need a badge to know to be kind.
minor robin
also lol reverse situation: what if a shepherd just wants to solo and chill and a moth stalks them and expects help cause of that icon? everyone needs their breaks
hollow compass
this was also one of the points raised: just because I am generally friendly, I may not always want to be helpful
sometimes I'm in a hurry and just want to get the dailies done
minor robin
mood of the century
hollow compass
there were suggestions of a toggle button, but I don't see it happening any time soon, given that we've asked for toggle buttons for other features as well
and I kind of like the simplistic menu anyway
minor robin
I agree. Tho lmao it took me months to realize some things about the UI. Wouldn’t change a thing tho learning curves and discoveries make this game fun
vets: you suffered this long not knowing how to look at your daily quest list
me: 
all this time... I would talk to quest giver and try to memorize it then forget and port-back-to-home-in-shame
hollow compass
it took me some time too, if it's any consolation
minor robin
now I like telling people how long it took me and to see them react and whither into a husk 
at my mothbrain
sand dawn
As a moth I didn’t know there was an option menu where you could port home (back then it was the only way other than statues/portals)
I remember wading around until I found the home statue in forest losing some of my first stars to the rain..
hollow compass
I just suddenly remembered early beta days, when you couldn't collect any wax from darkness if you were holding a friend's hand and didn't burn the darkness yourself
willow storm
Red “can be found where darkness prevails”
Blue "rumors point toward the pure waters of a mountain lake"
Cyan "lingers among the early gusts of wind"
Green "a gift to the earth from the sky"
Has anyone here had any thoughts about what red light represents?
spark lance
No?
hollow compass
Death, or blood? Maybe fire from weapons?
Or it’s a flame of life, judging from the clue?
solar granite
pasta sauce
crisp plinth
mmmmm 🍝 
sly wind
Anyone know why they haven't updated the game in so long?
Like before they would update the game at least once a week
Sometimes they had consecutive update days
dry pivot
as far as I have seen, beta updates are frequent only before the season hits live
sly wind
Oh ok
But still no update in 2 weeks
And there are bugs like not being able to finish eden
dry pivot
that bug was fixed, at least for some people, and the fix did not require an update
dry pivot
they did at first but later it turned out fixable on their end
hollow compass
things have probably slowed down considerably because of lockdown also, but I don't think there is anything big in the game right now that needs to be fixed
I think we're just waiting for the final nodes of the Ark spirit and the cut scene for that
blazing sail
The next node in live is tomorrow right?
minor robin
I’m so pumped for thaaat
digital cosmos
Guys, how can I obtain the “beta game”?
minor robin
!betafaq
gilded parrotBOT
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This command is for informational purposes only and not a replacement for beta slot alerts.
minor robin
Note that items earned in beta do not transfer to live. Also beta cape is no longer awarded to beta users. It was only given to testers pre iOS release
vapid drum
@dry pivot I had an update that fixed my game with Eden
dry pivot
you actually updated the app?
vapid drum
Yes , the game prompted me to update , but didn’t get a notification from TestFlight
dry pivot
what build was it? i'm still on 148634
vapid drum
Me too , also the counter didn’t reset in TestFlight , posted a pic in screenshots
dry pivot
yeah the numbers are exactly the same as mine 
charred pagoda
pc when?
crisp plinth
Soon™
edgy beacon
Can anyone send me pics of the quest givers rewards
austere merlin
kindred fossil
you can try those out at the closet, though
dense verge
How often do beta waves come?
blazing sail
I’m surprised they didn’t change it in live so we can get the ark quest from the home quest giver instead of making 8000 trips to the ark in one day
worn field
i figure it doesn't feel as tedious if you're only doing that once a week, instead of daily like we were
blazing sail
I suppose
It’s still silly tho
He’s at home. Let him give us the quest and then send us to the ark to complete it
worn field
idk. personally i don't really mind
hollow compass
it's mainly annoying to have to get the candles in the Ark, but the quests from the other Wasteland areas
it's not streamlined at all
sly current
I mean theoretically, if the spirit in the first area was given one can easily get the “face the dark dragon” task done in the ark while going back to the first area to complete the tasks
minor robin
ark way less annoying than vault elevator tho, I honestly run ark rather than go uP vault
blazing sail
Lol I still haven’t gotten the rest of my wings in the vault in beta since my last eden trip. And I lost out on that candle this week rather than go up to the top alone to meditate
worn field
there is a beta program for sky, used as a testing environment. the program is full at the moment, but more slots may open up in the future
!betafaq
gilded parrotBOT
To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the in #rules to be notified of important updates.
This command is for informational purposes only and not a replacement for beta slot alerts.
worn field
it looks like you have the 'sky beta member' role already, so you'll get a discord notification next time there's an invite wave.
fleet grotto
Ok cool thanks
vapid drum
I was in the mood to try the doggy quest again in live and as usual there weren’t enough people in the beginning or left early and as usual , they were all ‘calling’.now at one point we finally had 8 players (newbies) and i noticed they still kept on calling and doing deep call on which they are send into the sky because of the butterflies that are activated .i was like ‘wth do they keep calling???’ Then i suddenly noticed the in game message underneath saying ‘ tap yourself to call’ WHY IS THAT DISPLAYED DURING THE BUTTERFLY STANCE !!?? now its clear to me why all the players keep on calling and disrupting the meditation progress of the stone .
icy falcon
oh wow i had the same thing in live today
peeps kept hjonking and shooting up at random lol
vapid drum
It bothered me before , but i always thought they were just trying to see how many players were in the server
But seeing 8 players in the circle and still honking
I was like ....WHY???
Now it makes sense
finite pumice
I just tested this in live. It took literally 8 minutes to get into the game fly to prairie and get the candle wax at the top. Yes there are problems with the 2-person butterfly door. The candles there are too close to one of the stance stones. Yes it does say to tap to call when in the stance which is sort of dumb. Moths are going to do what they’re told. When I’d done the stance and decided to wait for another player (there were none in my instance) I was suddenly moved to another instance where someone else was standing on my stance stone. I got pushed aside and it was quite disconcerting. When I went into the 8-gate room it was basically full of moths. This room is really annoying now. It’s been like ages since those switches there have stopped popping up buttons. I have to use the flame button in my emote menu to light a switch. And moths don’t realise so they just call bounce around being moths. Eventually they get it though. And as I said it only took 8 minute from reading your message. Admittedly I was lucky that the room was full. The whole experience has become a chore though.
vapid drum
Hahaha, thats why i said i was in the mood to try again 😂 when im not in a hurry , i like to see how long it takes.it think the whole meditation process getting started and finished too me about 10 minutes of waiting. its the whitening of the stone that really takes a long time to start too and get people to think nothing is happening
But when the dog appeared everyone was having so much fun
I still have fun with it too 😊
finite pumice
Fun is the objective.
hollow compass
I see so many people get way too worked up about the place, which kind of saddens me. As you say, it's meant to be FUN, not some endless (I mean people have waited hours!) waiting game.
blazing sail
Umm the meditation spot is the same as last week? Did something throw the quests off schedule?
hollow compass
I noticed that too. Odd.
blazing sail
The wasteland spirit was also the same for 2-3 weeks in a row
And wait I think the forest one too
Groundhog Week
hollow compass
lol
onyx hazel
And also the valley one
blazing sail
There’s only one valley spirit to relive so it’s always the same
blazing sail
Ummm wasn’t the next ark quest supposed to be in live today? So the blue light would sync up with the quests?
I could have sworn it was today
kindred fossil
its on monday
elder musk
There’s only one valley spirit to relive so it’s always the same
@blazing sail There is the cheer spirit in arena that could be also relived, so we could relieve the one in the icerink ☺️
kindred fossil
well yeah but its only ever been the proud stance to relive
crisp plinth
hold up has it always only been hands on hips? i swear I remember reliving 
but that mightve been when some bug allowed us to
elder musk
As far as I remember it has always been the icerink spirit, in live version anyway.
kindred fossil
reliving cheer spirit was a bug yes, you could relive it anytime
it was patched at some point
crisp plinth
hehe remember when sneak stance statue was always there? I'd always hit it accidentally and have to watch the cutscene every time
kindred fossil
metallic glitch... 
finite pumice
Once upon a time there was a dance emote in what the valley replaced . It was magical. It was the first place we walked on metal and heard our footsteps as if in a tin roof. A great memory. Thanks.
Back then we had a real race, which encouraged a bit of competition and team work. It was the whole point of having 2 doors from the starting point and 3 spots at each. You could have a race of two teams of three. And the scoreboard at the end said which team won. What fun it was.
blazing sail
I was just playing a bit of Archaica yesterday and wondering why Sky can’t have some actual puzzles
Co-op light reflecting puzzles could be fun!
(I mean, aside from the work involved in making them, obviously)
finite pumice
I've been playing Oceanhorn 2 of late. I too enjoy puzzles. The only puzzles in Sky over my time have been puzzling why something behaves a certain way, or how to actually use things. I know Oceanhorn is a simple game in some ways (though it has an amazingly expansive open world to explore), but it's been quite enjoyable, and knowing it has an actual finish is nice. Like in Journey, there is an opportunity for replay and I love Journey, but for me Sky has gone after that replay too hard. The end-of-life that mimics Journey and the rebirth have made the game more of a chore. Before we had that, even before we had Orbit and they started to experiment with ways to get us to keep replaying the game, it felt like a better game in a lot of ways. It would have made it smaller I suppose, and may not have encouraged as much replay. It would definitely not have been as ripe for IAP as what we have now. I still think that Sky could have provided a wonderful experience through the evolution of the world over time as players bring more light to the world. Instead, we run around collecting stuff and take light out of the world and return it to the night sky. So (lore), are we any better than the elders? Perhaps the Krill and other dark creatures are a result of the loss of light, and we are just furthering that?
surreal briar
Any info on how i can apply for beta testing ? :)
hollow compass
I just replied to you in another channel ?
analog root
The game should have more content cause after doing eden few times and get the handle of it
The game become quite boring
minor robin
Not sure if TGC will see your comment in here.. but if you post your thoughts and constructive comments at #live-feedback they'll see it.
I've finished the necessary eden runs, got the two elder hairs I wanted. Nowadays I have the most fun hanging out with friends during candle runs or chilling out and listening to podcasts while solo
analog root
Well i am of the type that need new things 😂 i hate the routined systems
lusty light
There was just a content update with a new area and story?
analog root
Where xd
analog root
Yah u mean the seasonal spirits
lusty light
The seasons come with new content that will stay after the season ends
knotty condor
ok so i dont remember if i played the beta or not when i was still an ios user but i played it at around 2018 i think and the intro was different, i still remember the home area tho and it is still the same, and i wasnt knowledgeable of the game yet and just started flying and exploring, i dont think there were guides or objectives existed so i thought this was just a freestyle kinda gameplay (its all too blurry for me). i was rlly enjoying it and when i got to the forest, it just seemed like this small area with a very tall tree in the middle or smth. there were no sections or anything that i can rmmbr of. so ye i rmmbr me nd this other player tried climbing up the tree and it was a dead end or smth. like i was stuck on that area and didnt know where to go, then i uninstalled the app lol, cause i didnt know if there were objectives or not. thats all what i can remember and know of. so my question is, is this the beta i played? were there objectives/spirits/lights in the beta? and yes im certain that this was sky lol
im really hoping someone can answer this cause i feel so lost. was it like the earliest version of the beta? idk. i just want to recall my first experience with sky :,)
hollow compass
early versions of beta didn't have a lot of "action" and many areas were quite small, yes
The iOS version was release July 2019, but there was a Soft launch in select countries since...er, hang on...googling...June 2018?
It ran in parallel with beta, in any case. You can probably find quite a few early beta videos on YT, especially from Tara and Momo.
Do you remember if you signed up for a newsletter and then got a link to download the game? Otherwise, you probably played the Soft launch called Light Awaits.
wild musk
okay so i found my old acc and it's been awhile since I played sky again and I can't remember a single thing about it before. I had capes and masks that I don't remember how I got it without unlocking it with ascended candles (??? idk did they exist that time??), usually you'd have to unlock them first before proceeding to the next tree right? but when I checked the constellation everything was locked. (but i own the cosmetics smh) i'm pretty sure i played sky around 2018 and quitted afterwards bc i was so clueless lol, the only thing i remember was the old orbit that time 
and until now, i'm still confused. everything's so blurry for me 
austere merlin
Is there any word on the translate feature coming to live?
spark lance
We have 0 idea
austere merlin
Ah
hollow compass
@wild musk you have the possibility to preview all items in the closet. Did you play beta before? I believe there has been at least 2 access wipes since iOS release, so it would be odd you still having access, but perhaps you got lucky.
vapid drum
I guess he’s from limited live then
finite pumice
Is it just me or are those two posts using basically the same text/language? It’s almost like they are the same person. I don’t get what they are actually asking for.
vapid drum
🤷♂️me neither , maybe a random placement
knotty condor
@hollow compass i watched some light awaits gameplays and i'm pretty sure that was the one i played. thank you so much for answering :)
ancient wing
Is the translation function working well?
hollow compass
@wild musk whose emotes? what am I looking at? I'm not saying you didn't play beta, I'm just saying there has been 2 access wipes since July 2018 and if you didn't reapply during any of those it's just odd that you are still able to get back into beta now.
Oh, and like Peter said, perhaps you were playing the Soft launch?
Also, are you sure it's not just the preview mode in the closet that lets you try on all cosmetics in the game?
wild musk
what i mean is since i got the winter emotes, i probably played th winter season 2018, what i'm trying to figure out is how I got the cosmetic without unlocking anything.
Also, are you sure it's not just the preview mode in the closet that lets you try on all cosmetics in the game?
no, it wasn't a preview. the cape was colored and I can use it any time I want.
throughout the game^
hollow compass
It sounds like you were playing Soft launch. Winter season was relaunched as Rhythm not so long ago in Live and there was a reshuffle of things, so perhaps you automatically unlocked items because of that.
Actually, when you access this version you're speaking of, what App do you use?
wild musk
It sounds like you were playing Soft launch. Winter season was relaunched as Rhythm not so long ago in Live and there was a reshuffle of things, so perhaps you automatically unlocked items because of that.
that seems to clarify my confusion.
the live version sky: children of light
wild musk
Sorry I'm really bad at explaining :/
hollow compass
If you're not in beta now, why are you asking here? I think that's why I'm confused.
lusty light
It’s not that wild to assume you’re playing the beta version of the game if you were playing before the global launch
They just wanted to know what really happened
hollow compass
No, that's not how I interpreted it. They were asking why they had stuff in Live now that they didn't have in beta. But I kind of suspect they were playing Soft instead, hence my theory further up about the Winter/Rhythm season items.
Because there is no transfer between beta and Live, so it must have been Soft.
wild musk
No, that's not how I interpreted it. They were asking why they had stuff in Live now that they didn't have in beta. But I kind of suspect they were playing Soft instead, hence my theory further up about the Winter/Rhythm season items.
Sorry I didn't mean to clarify my explanation, what I mean is I played the beta version of sky before. I didn't meant to say that I had stuff in live that I didn't have in beta. In fact, I got the cosmetics in beta without unlocking anything, I'm trying to ask how I got it since I haven't spend any candles on it.
hollow compass
But this is also why I'm confused, because there has been 2 access wipes for beta, and if you didn't reapply you couldn't get back in. But again, perhaps you just got lucky.
In any case, maybe the same theory applies here: you had some items unlocked in Rhythm season and they were then reshuffled for the Winter season and you now have access to them somehow.
wild musk
But this is also why I'm confused, because there has been 2 access wipes for beta, and if you didn't reapply you couldn't get back in. But again, perhaps you just got lucky.
I wasn't sure if I did reapply, but I think I do since my beta friends in sky was still there, and the emotes and everything was still there, unlike the other time where I had to start from scratch again.
In any case, maybe the same theory applies here: you had some items unlocked in Rhythm season and they were then reshuffled for the Winter season and you now have access to them somehow.
Is it possible?
hollow compass
Perhaps you are the unique example of it! I really don't know, it's a bit of a mystery all of it.
wild musk
Oh I see, I guess it'll be left unanswered
hollow compass
Sometimes there have been empty spots and people could get it randomly, so since you already had an account, maybe that is what happened. 
Did you reinstall through Testflight and all?
wild musk
What is testflight? Sorry
hollow compass
Ah, then you are indeed not in beta. TestFlight is the app you need to access beta. Did you ever use it before? If you didn't, then you most certainly were in Soft. Mystery solved!
(Well, almost solved.)
wild musk
Ah, then you are indeed not in beta. TestFlight is the app you need to access beta. Did you ever use it before? If you didn't, then you most certainly were in Soft. Mystery solved!
I can't really remember it anymore
my friend was the one who installed sky on my phone, the rest of my memories were too blurry
hollow compass
You are not in beta now, at least, that's for sure. You need TestFlight to get access to beta, which is usually posted as a link or sometimes a redeem code.
wild musk
That's it! I remember her sending a link to me. Idk the rest anymore
hollow compass
May I ask if you live in either of these countries: Sweden, the Philippines; New Zealand or Singapore? The Soft launch was available in those countries since late 2017.
In any case, I think if you have any more questions it's better to continue in #questions-and-help since you are not in beta now. 
wild musk
Yes I do, maybe it was soft launch after all 
Also thank you for answering my questions 
hollow compass
No problem. Good brain exercise for the morning!
sly current
Finally. A catch the light quest
finite pumice
yes one thing to do a week is not a lot
blazing sail
I’m wondering why they scrapped the idea of adding colored lights to daily quests once we find them
dry pivot
Maybe they didn’t but waited for 1 week because not all people would complete the quest on day 1? and having different daily quests for players who have and have not done the light quest can be confusing
vapid drum
Maybe after being unlocked they will be added to the daily ?
The lights are already present in the various places
blazing sail
But the red one was unlocked last Monday
And we didn’t get it as a quest the next time the quests were in wasteland
They even took them out from beta
Which makes me think they’re just gone and we’re stuck with the light chasing quests we’ve had for three seasons already
finite pumice
but today the red one was back for me
blazing sail
Oh I didn’t check yet. So it’s a quest today? Along with finding the blue for the ark?
Oh it is! So is it back in live too?
worn field
there's a red light quest today in live too, yes
blazing sail
Ah ok so they did just wait a week
worn field
it seems like the quests in live and beta are linked, i guess that's why there weren't any light quests this week in beta
crisp plinth
there are no plans to bring the invisible cape to Live any time soon, if ever.
Ktjn
blazing sail
So it’s the same Wasteland spirit again for like the fourth week in a row?
timber ridge
@blazing sail making friends again 😆
lyric wadi
I went to the ofc today!!
hollow compass
@lyric wadi I thought you said you weren’t in beta? Or maybe I’m just confusing you with someone else.
@cobalt mulch hi! English only on this server. 
cobalt mulch
Ok
lyric wadi
I m not in beta (though I will die for beta since Nov 2019 ) @hollow compass
It was with a diff friend
New friend
I dunno her name, we became friends when she was playing piano so I named her piano lol
SHe never talks, we just honk and understand
Today I said I wanna see ofc she took me to ofc without saying anything
||it was awesome! That huge satellite had a spirit but spirit gave us nothing, is tht a bug?||
?
hollow compass
@lyric wadi that’s cool, but you can post about ||the office|| in the Live channels, as long as you spoiler tag it. (You don’t need to do it here. This part of the server is for beta related convos.)
The spirits there never give any emotes. They just tell stories.
Hope you get to go again!
vapid briar
The colored light quests will slowly be added to the rotation, we want to make sure people have had a chance to complete the non-seasonal/non-daily quest to find it first before making it a daily quest. beta quests are likely synced with the live release schedule. as far as the quests being super repetitive in live and/or beta, if you haven't already please please please submit feedback in #live-feedback so the design team sees it as well.
hollow compass
Not to be nitpicky, but I think I’ve done that two seasons in a row now. 😉 They have changed slightly, though, which is much appreciated.
vapid briar
keep nitpicking, honestly.
hollow compass
Hehe...
vapid briar
We're looking into the daily quests very intensely right now. essentially auditing the existing quests for variety, complexity, do they encourage players to exhibit the behavior that we want them to or not, how we can improve them. In addition to that, designing new quests using existing tech, new quests with new tech. i'm in the process of going through the wishlist channel for suggestions and seeing how those suggestions fit with our plans and goals of daily quests in general.
hollow compass
My pet peeve the “hand hold in group of 4” seems to have disappeared. It always felt so forced.
I really like the new meditation questions!
vapid briar
that one's days are numbered, i believe >_>
I think the goal was to encourage making new friends that you would eventually grow closer with over time, but it's just resulting in a high volume of shallow friendships with people you end up never interacting with again after the quest is complete.
hollow compass
I should explain my aversion to 4-hands maybe: doing quests every day we don’t always have a lot of time to gather up 3 other friends, so instead we often end up making quick friends with anyone standing around. It felt dishonest.
Yeah, exactly.
minor robin
I would say that... ‘sit on a bench with a stranger’ is mildly bordering on shallow too. Usually when someone’s lit a bench it becomes musical chairs with a bunch of random people. Pretty funny... no one really sits to chat. Everyone tends to get up asap for the next person to complete the quest.
super considerate ahaha
blazing sail
I kinda thought they would have been aware of the quests being the same each week. Are they not?
I don’t pay close attention to the friend/expressions quests, but I did notice that the meditation and spirit quests have been the same for 2-4 weeks now
minor robin
meditation locations have switched up in live at least. I remember wl’s meditation being between graveyard/collapsed hut and valley’s citadel switching between those two usual spots
blazing sail
Yeah but the last two weeks it was the same meditation spot in valley
And pretty sure the Wasteland spirit was the one by the single krill 3-4 times in a row now
Same with the forest cave spirit
finite pumice
those quests also totally miss that some people are uncomfortable with socialising for the sake of socialising. not everyone wants to hold hands with a stranger, or sit and chat with a stranger.
minor robin
um lol, I was just talking bout what I observed with meditation spots. I didn’t retort against ur observation about spirits 
finite pumice
this is all very old feedback though; it's all been said before.
blazing sail
New meditation spot is great, but we don’t want that same new one every week 😛
vapid briar
not to be dismissive, but sky is a social game. So there's a bit of cognitive dissonance with people not wanting to do social activities in a social game. that being said, there are certainly areas of improvement for how we encourage players to socialize with one another.
blazing sail
As for feedback on quests in general.... I think anything we have to do daily needs more variety. Especially if we’ve been doing the same quests for 3-5 seasons
finite pumice
quests that ask us to find something new hidden in the world, like a statue or a dias hidden somewhere that might contain something of interest.
vapid briar
I can't comment on why the dev who did the quest schedule made it so repetitive, which is why i implore you to post in feedback so i have examples to provide when we discuss these things.
minor robin
bench quest is very quick and funny now. was in a little group taking turns and we just emoted around each other 
blazing sail
I love that the colored lights are scavenger hunts and would love more stuff like that
finite pumice
playing through oceanhorn atm, one quest that I stumbled upon was one of collecting an item i didn't know existed until I found it. turns out there are lots more, but now I need to search. its a good quest, and will have me playing long after I have finished the main quest of the game
blazing sail
But probably hard to pull that off and keep it fresh, as once people know it, it’s same ol’ same ol’
vapid briar
even if it's old, even if you've done it before. if it's still a frustration for you, bring it up again is important.
lunar zealot
Having a return of “find x place” could be something. But with more variations than it once had.
blazing sail
Ok posted feedback but it could also be a bug
eternal portal
Hellooooooo
How do you start playing in beta? :’) I had this question but I wasn’t sure if I could say it in the general sky chats ;-;
worn field
!betafaq @eternal portal
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eternal portal
Awesome thanks! <33
sand dawn
I feel like there is too little variety in daily activities in this game in general..
Like..I must have flown trough forest in the exact same way for a hundred times (adding the cave to it at some point)
I’d much prefer if there was variation in where the plants and candles are.. and to have other ways to get light
It’s a game of repetition to me, not exploration
But I guess that.. unless MANY new possible spots for candles/plants are added.. I wil know them all in no time again..
It would be good though.. to have candles/plants in places that were added for a season thing and just sort of abandoned after that..
Because although I know what purpose those places served, that is not true for new places, who would just be confused about why there are such places where there is literally nothing to do.
Isle has a lot of empty(or nearly so) space, the cave on the left(Lightseekers) and most of the island beyond the cloud tunnel(only a few candles and 1 star) .. all of isle doesn’t even add up to 1/4th of a candle, I don’t even go there unless it’s for stars.
Forest has those pipes(gratitude) and whole parts in the middle of the map with the tower bridges that are just empty.
valley has a 2-player door(gratitude) and a now useless tunnel (rhythm)
What you collect during the races doesn’t actually make a difference, it’s just 1 candle at the end regardless.
Wasteland.. right side of boneyard is devoid of light.
Vault... vault has to little light in general. The rewards for opening the doors is scraps.
Mnn.. guess I better post this in feedback
blazing sail
Agree the daily grind for light gets old fast.
But the seasons are supposed to be special and it would be nice if the daily quests didn’t also get old fast.
sand dawn
Oh yeah.. quests are stale..
- We were given some more questions for the meditate quests, but yet more wouldn’t hurt.
- using the full pool of spirits for the relive quests would be nice!
- More maps for catch the light would be most welcome.. (I want one flying ahead of a dragon in wasteland... mhahaah!)
- entirely new types of quests involving movement, searching and/or puzzle elements would be amazing.
Also .. more seasonal candle locations per map .. 8 is pretty easy to memorize
sand dawn
Recharge another player’s light feels bugged, I always get it over with by entering a portal holding hands
4 players hold hands can be very tricky for players without a constellation overflowing with friends.. (but may motivate making new friendships just for the sake of completing the quest, which I guess isn’t necessarily a bad thing.)
Do X emote near a friend.. could be annoying if you don’t have the emote and don’t know where to find it (bow spirit is really obscure...!)
For everyone else that last one is trivial
minor robin
I kinda like that it encourages people to get bow, bow’s basically universal ‘hi/thank you’
sand dawn
Yeah..! But.. bow is in a weird place.. along with 2 other spirits..
You find it during the races.. but it’s soooo easy to miss
worn field
i'd like quests to be more difficult/obscure if there wasn't pressure to complete all 4 quests every day to maximise your candles
sand dawn
Yea true.. I’d much prefer weekly quests over daily ones
minor robin
yeah but that’s the fun too, missing things and exploring the maps. Bow is in the 2nd slide of the H building in fly. Eventually people will find it... or ask an ingame friend or google or ask in q&a.
sand dawn
I do agree not everything should be so obvious as to get it on your first pass
worn field
when i was a new player, i loved exploring to search for the more obscure spirits
minor robin
lol... it took me so long to get proud stance as a moth. I jump/climbed that mountain cause I didn’t have enough wedges and didn’t think to stop on the ledge before cutscene. I could have gotten it an easier way but the experience was fun.
sand dawn
Ahahah.. oh.. right!
blazing sail
Same! Took me a while to realize I could stop before the fall and get to that spot easily
minor robin
... I should hold hands with my vet friend and show her my jump/climb route and reduce her to an exasperated husk
aging vets with moth brain: 2020
blazing sail
I even added a route from the ground to my guide that I found easier with fewer wings 😂
sand dawn
I don’t stop... I just fly and fly right
But as a moth.. oh my..
I think I also tried climbing once or twice
blazing sail
Even now, if I accidentally fall off the ledge, I get really annoyed that I have to get back up there
sand dawn
Those little jumps with the candles up there can be fun.. if they are not already lit.. xD
minor robin
I basically jump/forced my way to the very peak of that mountain cliff to the left and kept edging/jumping right till I reached the spirit 😂 I really enjoyed the challenge tho. Back then there weren’t any travelling spirits so I didn’t feel any pressure to maximize candle collection or get spirits all in one day or so. oblivious moth lyfe was amazing
sand dawn
I’ve been thinking.. how much more relaxed and fun it would be if we’d get only 1 world to reset per day (so every world only resets once a week), but they are packed with new ways to get light and lots of the light is well hidden
minor robin
I think I’m gonna make my beta skykid a 6 star kid again. It’s fun to play in newbie mode and check how difficult quests/maps are. As 6-7 wedge kid, ark was such a hike
idk bout that, I like doing speed runs and honing my current routes/flying techniques. candle wax tells me I’m flying accurately
sand dawn
After doing everything a hundred times over in the exact same way.. I really want to get that sense of exploration back
Perhaps shake up locations of everything every season would be best.. then you get that fresh new layout to explore and time to find the best route and when it starts getting old again.. wham, new season, new layouts
minor robin
Ohh that would be pretty fresh. Tho man.. I love my nest route so much. So many variations till I nailed it. Can get 6 candles continuously flying without landing 
sand dawn
Yeah but.. you were also learning to navigate nest in general,, now that you know it.. would be really cool to see it in a new light, no?
blazing sail
I mentioned a while back how freeing it would be if the reset was weekly instead of daily
minor robin
First 4 need work but getting there. Goal eventually is to get everything. It took me 4 months to finally get the hang of flying and go from 0/10 to 7.5/10
sand dawn
Yeah but the worlds do need more content to be ready for that
blazing sail
So everyone can either spread it out over the week or get it done all at once, depending on their schedule and free time
empty inlet
update
sand dawn
..beta update?!
empty inlet
0.9.2 is here
sand dawn
Ooo
blazing sail
Whaaaat
blazing sail
Oooh portrait
sand dawn
Darn.. it’s 3am here ..I’ll ahh I’ll take a quick glance..
empty inlet
isn't steeping control always available by holding avatar shortly then slide off
worn field
re: changing reset to weekly, or some other change; i feel like that wouldn't solve the problem, there'd still be the focus on grinding. i think to really change things we'd need to remove the time-pressure to collect things completely.
blazing sail
Well, if I could log in 1-2x per week to get my seasonal stuff instead of every single day for the rest of my life, it would be an improvement
sand dawn
Eh.. I think a week is a very different kind of pace as daily
But there should still be stuff to do for those that play hours every day
worn field
compare it to live
worn field
interesting
pulsar edge
What’s in the update, guys?
blazing sail
Not the skipping part tho
empty inlet
briefly mentioned above
blazing sail
I dunno if I’d play much like this but it’s a nice addition
blazing sail
Hmmm it’s not too bad
pulsar edge
Cause it won’t look like I’m playing a game if I have in portrait mode
blazing sail
I’m gonna play around with it tomorrow
pulsar edge
Hehehe
blazing sail
Definitely better for bedtime play
Except that the friend constellations shrink lol
pulsar edge
The change to the stepping controls might interfere with chibi oob. I sure hope not tho.
blazing sail
And are much harder to light that way
worn field
#beta-feedback's gonna be active today 
worn field
i know, kanpai
pulsar edge
Is the rest of the season unlocked yet? I so desperately want to see the rest of the ark’s changes
worn field
go sneep
sand dawn
O.o
Yeah same..
blazing sail
It doesn’t have a portrait splash screen
Oh wait now it does
Weird
Only if I minimize it and then open it before it finishes loading
And then it goes back to landscape lol
Hmm my graphics are downgraded in portrait?
pulsar blade
Any news guys about the new beta release
I guess i can make now a portrait presentation without cropping the video. Well thats an advantage to making a video only with small space needed. Tho i still prefer wide area for the video
blazing sail
Anyone else’s graphics look degraded in portrait?
vapid briar
was there an update or something 
kindred fossil
no go back to sneep
empty river
maybe so
pulsar blade
Update came
worn field
i'm in love with portrait mode
blazing sail
The constellations need some reworking. Only baby hands can tap those stars in portrait
worn field
the constellation symbols are alligned with their constellations when you stand near portals. someone said they were flipped before right? so i guess that's been fixed.
pulsar blade
Ow. Ahaha
worn field
i think the star was on the turban before, but it's floating a little higher now
blazing sail
Was it?
worn field
i feel like it was, but i'd have to doublecheck live
worn field
you can zoom out so far in portrait mode 
finite pumice
Yes the constellations are too compressed in portrait. The new best friends constellation is horrible for me. At least in live it will be a bit better because I’ve kept my friends list so small.
worn field
i'm more concerned about how much the names overlap in the friendship constellation, when in portrait mode. otherwise, i can tap on the stars without too much trouble
it might be neat if the friendship constellation changed shape to fill the screen/sky when in portrait mode
finite pumice
Portrait looks lovely on my iPhone 8. The one-handed controls are useless for me in portrait mode. One finger does the same as what 2 fingers should do. I can’t walk or skip. And that rotten button is there as if I’m in two handed mode.
vapid briar
it's almost like this is the first pass of the feature and needs testing and feedback 
pulsar edge
Lol Ktjn
storm vessel
Maybe you can play live and beta at the same time now with portrait mode
blazing sail
What causes the downgraded graphics, tho? Just curious
storm vessel
one hand each
blazing sail
People with two accounts in live are gonna be all over this
Alright that’s it. I just drained my battery. Night all!
strange rose
Mushrooms are removed?
edgy atlas
Yup can confirm, shruums be gone
worn field
yay
kindred fossil
lapis rapids
Wait so portrait mode?? How does that work 😂
worn field
it works quite well
empty inlet
quite broken as well
worn field
i'm having barely any issues, just minor things
lapis rapids
That’s cool, I’ve always wanted that so I could take better screenshots for wallpaper and stuff
edgy atlas
Yeah true
worn field
the next light quest is on the same schedule as usual (13 days to go), so in case any of you were hoping to test that early - wait a little longer
lapis rapids
Wait what is the whole deal with the mushrooms...?
worn field
tgc was prototyping something that involved mushrooms, but it didn't work out. they accidentally left some mushrooms lying around in one of the updates they released, though. if you found a mushroom, you could pull it up and get a whole candle.
lapis rapids
Ohhh thx @worn field
minor robin
Omg... If I slide and enter valley ice rink at a high enough speed I get to skip the cutscene
This is amazing I love it.
limpid herald
boat cutscene is still annoying
slim kayak
Is portrait mode supposed to work on it's own? Like, without a toggle?
Cause its not working for me...
empty inlet
in-game setting
worn field
once the toggle is on, it'll auto-adjust whenever you rotate the device
i think the ice might look different in the ice rink. more shiny
empty river
that's a very good question
vale shale
yeah i don't see the toggle on android
slim kayak
Could someone take a screenshot of the toggle? Of the settings?
empty river
hold on
minor robin
Joshur: yeah ice seems more sparkly. Pretty nice. Tho I don't mind the older look either
Giccix ur fast, can you break thru the cutscene barrier on ice rink entry?
I did it twice so far with top speed
empty river
i can crash through the wall how's that?
minor robin
I believe
empty river
keep believing then lolol
also just got back from doing spins 'round citadel in portrait mode, wasn't half bad
worn field
i'll need to visit citadel soon
the sliding race feels almost like it was made for portrait
bold briar
In portrait mode, the lowest note is wayyy to close to the music sheet button it’s either that or I have too chubby fingers lol
valid flint
In portrait mode, the lowest note is wayyy to close to the music sheet button
@bold briar lmao me too
Have a little difficult to play music
With that portrait mode, and my ip 5s :((( so small
edgy atlas
The barrier to enter prairie temple is no longer there, not sure if it's a bug
worn field
it's probably worth your time to submit a bug report
If something unexpectedly changes, for the love of all that is good and pure in the world, please please please SUBMIT A BUG REPORT
Unless we specifically come out and say X is changing, it's probably a bug. From there I can flag it up to the design team and find out.
-Ktjn
elder meteor
What is carryball quests
worn field
the spirit memories where you're in that light circle carrying the glowing orb to each spirit memory
elder meteor
@worn field thx
analog citrus
They step functionality is not working for me. Says something bout it in “what to test” but doesn’t work as far as I can tell
worn field
it works for me
worn field
you need to hold your character until they duck down a bit
worn field
oh let me try in one-handed mode
still works in one-handed mode for me
oh only in portrait mode though
if i'm in landscape mode and one-handed mode, i can't step
worn field
what do you use stepping for?
analog citrus
Fun
worn field
i'd guess it's changed because it's easy to do it accidentally (in my experience)
dry pivot
i think the bug is caused by some other changes in control
so probably not intentional
I can't do that on portrait mode either but that's probably because "the new control scheme" on portrait mode is apparently only for iPhones (and iPod)
lunar zealot
It’s really odd, but the portrait mode on phones oddly work really well. 
narrow valley
It's so strange 
lunar zealot
It’s really strange. Especially the controls! Tho i feel when you get used to it, it’s a good way to play if you need to play in portrait
hollow compass
I can safely say I will never use portrait mode for active playing, since there is always a delay in movement because I have to press my Sky kid and it's easy to just move the camera angle instead by accident.
lunar zealot
Yeah i noticed that, you have to use the 
regardless of control scheme
If maybe they part it so that the top is camera movement, and the bottom is movement / flight. You can use the entire bottom screen to move/ or invoke flight. Much like one handed in landscape, with the camera like how it works in two handed
hollow compass
two-handed doesn't...I can't do it 
lunar zealot
Much like how i can’t do one-handed 
hollow compass
lol
finite pumice
yeah, controls are no good imo in this early, first attempt at testing portrait mode on a phone. it's good that we can feedback that it needs to be fixed. if movement in portrait requires that I hold and flick my character, then portrait mode is no good for me. I think it would be better, if we must have this ugly button on the screen that it is used as a press-and-hold to move the camera. then let normal interaction play out with the flap, fly, run, skip. it will be more consistent with the landscape mode then.
hollow compass
I don't understand this "press and hold" thing. I can move my Sky kid perfectly well using the button at the bottom.
It's just a very small area that is sensitive, or else it goes to camera movement.
lunar zealot
If you “hold and flick”, you can’t move the camera either... and knowing me, i move the camera every second or so in landscape.. hard habit to turn, and my preferred movement is flicking (thanks limited live) 
hollow compass
Same.
worn field
portrait mode doesn’t require you to hold and flick your character...
worn field
i’m on iphone
hollow compass
then what is the instruction for?
worn field
there’s like a joystick in the same place as the jump/fly button
hollow compass
or rather, the patch notes make it seem like a new feature we should be testing
lunar zealot
Hmm. You have to hold the screen to flick, at least. When i tested it
hollow compass
no, you can just use the button at the bottom
lunar zealot
If i flick without doing it, camera moves
hollow compass
if you're in one-handed
worn field
you have to hold your finger to your character to flick, yes, but i’m saying that’s only one of the ways you can control your character
hollow compass
I know
lunar zealot
Yeah.
worn field
oh
hollow compass
but the patch notes made it seem like a new thing that we should be testing and that perhaps was "even better formula"
I can flick for movement just fine in one-handed portrait mode using the button, though
or indeed just slide the finger
I mean, the old press your Sky kid for loooong step still applies also, so I don't understand why this new feature is there at all
worn field
i guess i just got confused by Peter saying portrait mode requires hold-and-flick to move, when you can use the button/joystick thingo instead
hollow compass
the patch notes sort of makes it seem like it does, though
lunar zealot
I still feel the field of movement should be larger tho, it’s too.. small imo
hollow compass
definitely
worn field
i'm finding it hard to use the new flick controls too. i'm trying to get used to it but i still move the camera by accident half the time. so i've mostly been using the button instead.
stuck sphinx
How can I join iOS beta
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worn field
what is field of movement? is it like field of view?
lunar zealot
Basically the area in which you´re allowed to move. Be it literal or control wise
worn field
ohh i see
lunar zealot
worn field
hollow compass
you find the meditation spot and use the emote prompt there
finite pumice
@hollow compass thanks! I had not realised that. ok, so I can move now, but gee how unintuitive is that? that "button" for flap is also a hot touch zone about 3*the button size for swipe and drag to run. it might work better if the hot zone was say the bottom 3rd of the screen. the visual button is just a distracting eyesore for me. ohh, tapping on the button skips forward... ook. I'm getting used to that. ok, so this is better than I thought. it's basically the size of the hot area that is the problem.
strong lake
I don’t get what beta is is it just future updates of the main game?
Or is it a new game
dry pivot
it's a testing ground for the main game
strong lake
Oh
dry pivot
so most time (not every time tho) new features are tested in beta first
hollow compass
I would say they are always tested in beta first, but sometimes there are unknown bugs that pop up in Live. 😉
dry pivot
sometimes they just don't test some features in beta, like the recent resize fix
hollow compass
but that's because it's not a new feature, it's just a bug fix
or quick fix
it wasn't affecting people in beta either, I think?
dry pivot
they implemented a new feature (fix) to live which resulted in a bug
so the bug did not happen in beta
but the new feature itself was a kind of bug fix? then that's true it was just a bug fix
or maybe that was something they couldn't test in beta
hollow compass
some things you can't test in beta because we're just fewer people here
clever cove
Totally off topic, but for the office spirit- are the clouds supposed to be that high? I can’t get the light after the lunch break walk
worn field
i keep trying to switch to portrait mode in the live-game
dry pivot
I know it's not ready yet but still I want the portrait mode in live like right now
That and the in-game translator
@clever cove they are, but the one which starts in the sky wasn't that too difficult before because we didn't have to burn the spirit then. Iirc now we need a table to initiate that spirit's memory
we get nothing from those quests tho, they just give us some stories
light orbit
Is it only me myself who think the new friendship crown constellation is really ugly
worn field
i do prefer the look of the old one, though the only thing in sky i'd call ugly is the krill
dry pivot
I think the new constellation is more accurate
it matches this part of Eden mural
I think I have to climb the vault to check if the crown constellation in this cutscene is also updated,,,
krill is cute
finite pumice
No @light orbit not just you.
light orbit
I don’t care the shape that much, but some of my friends’ stars become really big
😦Maybe they will look better after I get used to them
clever cove
@dry pivot Oh I see, thank you!
blazing sail
Just wondering..... is it absolutely necessary for us to see dots on the screen when strangers chat?
Why not just have nothing show?
hollow compass
apparently, so
dry pivot
sometime a moth talks to me without knowing I cant see what they are saying
hollow compass
it's been bugging me since...er August 2018?
blazing sail
It’s so ugly
hollow compass
especially when people have looooooong conversations
blazing sail
Yes
limber bone
there us a new friend constellation ?
blazing sail
I commented on it in my latest video bc there were strings and strings of ugly dots in the way
And I got a comment defending chat? Lol I dunno
hollow compass
lol, maybe they didn't understand what you were critiquing
blazing sail
Could be
hollow compass
but yeah, I don't know why it's not possible to hide for anyone who is not part of the convo
perhaps it's really complicated to programme
dry pivot
I usually want to know if some people are talking, but ig 3 dots are enough for that purpose
blazing sail
Could also have it show in the chat log but not on the screen?
hollow compass
I wish there was less focus on chatting, tbh
blazing sail
Or something
hollow compass
you mean like the half-screen chat log?
blazing sail
I mean, if I can’t read the conversation, why do I need to know it’s happening?
hollow compass
I personally find that a bit cumbersome and it covers up too much
hollow compass
it's not the smoothest experience
blazing sail
I don’t like how you can’t open it if there’s no chat bubble to tap on tho
Sometimes I look away and miss something and I have to talk to see what I missed lol. So awkward
hollow compass
same
blazing sail
I often drive myself crazy trying to get it back
dry pivot
@limber bone yes you can see one from the link I posted in #beta-screenshots-videos
limber bone
ye i just saw it myself
why did they change the stepping controls tho
its harder now
dry pivot
if you are using one-handed mode then i think it's bugged now
worn field
i had a lot of trouble with the new stepping controls at first, but i think i'm getting the hang of it. might just need to break my old habits.
buoyant berry
anyone have the crown friends stretched on phone?
dry pivot
the control scheme for portrait mode on iPhones is new and needs testing, and it also could be affecting the old control schemes, so if you find anything wonky it's best to submit bug reports on them
and hope it'll be improved/fixed
vapid drum
It’s hard to see what friends are lit already and which ones not
blazing sail
Ok so friend stars aren’t so hard to tap on in portrait mode but the names are all overlapping
I hope they make it so we can just open the game in portrait and not have to wait for it to start in landscape first
QR code creation is still only in landscape
Oh look it’s the telekinesis spirit again
spark lance
Oh well
blazing sail
Ok so let’s be honest... “one-handed mode” is a lie since I’m hugging my phone with both hands 😂
spark lance
😂 😂 😂
blazing sail
Gonna consciously try to play with one hand on my phone and see how it goes
spark lance
If I were you I wouldn't
worn field
i've been managing pretty well in one-handed mode (in portrait mode. still haven't gotten the hang of it in landscape mode)
spark lance
Wait a sec- is portrait mode available for Android?
worn field
not yet, i don't think
spark lance
Oh well
dry pivot
only for iOS at the moment
spark lance
I do want to see how it's gonna be
worn field
i'm guessing they're gonna work out the UI kinks before they drop it on android as well
dry pivot
you can see some portrait screenshots in #beta-screenshots-videos
spark lance
Mhm but still
you can see some portrait screenshots in #beta-screenshots-videos
I'll prefer waiting until I experience it lol
blazing sail
I like how it’s easier to see the constellations over the portals
worn field
a lot of things feel better in portrait than landscape, but i’m not convinced either is better overall (disregarding the obvious problems with the UI in portrait mode)
blazing sail
Seriously why are the daily quests on repeat for the worst quests 😭😭
Vault summit again
worn field
blazing sail
But I need the candles in beta
worn field
you unlocked everything didn't you?
worn field
oh you're grinding for regular items?
worn field
how many friends do you make in beta ojflkjsabgsf
it's empty
who is there to friend
blazing sail
Friends from live 😂
Who have beta
Wait so the seasonal constellations were removed from Eden, right?
blazing sail
I don’t do Eden much in beta and the last time I did it was for them specifically
Anyway, I really hate these quests even in live
We’ve got the worst case of Groundhog Week
worn field
i didn't even notice they were repeating
idk how you remember them
i barely even remember yesterday's quests
blazing sail
I don’t remember every single quest but I do remember the annoying ones
Or the spirits/meditation spots
I remember when I have to chase the spirit around the krill instead of just dealing with a few crabs
Anyone figure out which wing moved?
worn field
it seems like Mioleen solved it in #beta-screenshots-videos
blazing sail
Interesting
Anyone else experiencing some serious lag?
Oh wait I forgot to update on my iPad
That could be why
Nope still lagging badly on my iPad :/
blazing sail
The glowing star bounces as you run 
dry pivot
yes! it's really cute
uneven venture
how can i know when beta server is open to download?
dry pivot
!betafaq
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This command is for informational purposes only and not a replacement for beta slot alerts.
dry pivot
Opening additional beta slots is on an as-needed basis. There is no pre-set schedule for when we open it up.
Last opening on iOS was in December, prior to that was August.
Last opening on android was in March, prior to that was November and September.This is not any indication of a schedule or pattern, do not try to speculate or predict when the next opening will be because even we at TGC do not know when we will open up up yet.
(from Ktjn)
uneven venture
oh tks !
random gull
how many friends do you make in beta ojflkjsabgsf
I have like 80 friends in beta XD a lot of them I met sitting in OOB areas just chillin
steady briar
oh 😳
austere merlin
Haha, don’t blame you! 
but this is a chat for beta players to discuss their beta experiences, wheather it be bugs or just other things
spark lance
O.O
woeful lodge
The glowing star bounces as you run
@blazing sail glowing star?
kindred fossil
we wont know until it comes
woeful lodge
But if you farm all candles every day before it leaves you can build up 90 candles@rigid radish
rigid radish
Thank you!
woeful lodge
@blazing sail nevermind I saw it in screenshots. That’s adorable.
analog citrus
The star on the turban really makes it feel more “ultimate”
Maybe they could star up the head tassels, or whatever you call the non earrings things
blazing sail
What’s wrong with calling them earrings?
kindred fossil
cause they dont go on your ears
empty inlet
cause you don't have ears
kindred fossil
thats right, i took them
empty inlet
lol
kindred fossil
but no, skykids do have ears, and the tassles go right above them
vapid drum
Maybe thats why my sky kid isnt listening 🧐
vapid briar
helps if i hit enter on beta updates posts >_>
minor robin
no. beta does not get any early info on travelling spirits.
minor robin
generally good to save 110+ candles tho. 160 if you want to be safe.
spark lance
I have 91
minor robin
you should be ok, make sure you have a good amount of hearts and 2 ascendant candles. you can check out previous cost trees here and make a judgement https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Traveling_Spirits#
spark lance
How much of the main seasonal quests has Beta unlocked?
Just curious if his rewards are ever anything but hearts
minor robin
just up to the 4th node of the tree. so far it’s all been hearts
spark lance
Alright, thanks!
vapid briar
the rewards are all regular hearts.
spark lance
Appreciate it! 🙂
My quest for pants will continue
Quick question for traveling spirits, will they return in the far future after all the other spirits have visited?
radiant drum
traveling spirits are random
they could return at any time
even if all spirits haven't returned yet
spark lance
I see. Thanks mirian!
terse nacelle
@blazing sail They are not earrings, they are hair braids.
spark lance
Hello when does the sky game release on android?
spark lance
REALLY
empty river
quick oriole
Ah
If it’s not showing on the play store for you it usually means your device is incompatible
If you wanna make sure just search for the game on google and see what it says on the page there
strong mist
As an android player I regret buying those hairstyles I would never have used otherwise and focused on things like capes and outfits
brave scarab
Uh I need help my sky beta got deleted in test flight I still have the sky beta app but I don’t have test flight so when I try to update its show unavailable to update because I don’t have The sky beta app in TestFlight
So can anyone help? ;-
The test flight randomly deleted sky beta in there yet I still have the app but unavailable to update
Does this mean I have to wait until another opening to get back in.?
spark lance
okay
hollow compass
Did you accidentally click "stop testing" at some point?
Or did you perhaps not update in time? The beta app has a 90 day expiry and if you don't update before that you are probably kicked out/the game is deleted from TestFlight.
brave scarab
No I update when they pop up, probably I accidentally press stop testing
Is there a button to say r u sure to quit
Because I don’t recall seeing that
And does this mean I have to wait until another opening to get back in?
worn field
i don't know if there's an "are you sure" confirmation.
if you did use the "stop testing" button, i believe you need to wait until more slots open.
but maybe something else happened to cause it to disappear from your testflight app, i don't know how testflight works
quaint onyx
Your accnt and everything's still exists. There may be a way if you checked through some of the deeper settings of testflight
Like a "previously joined apps" list
dry pivot
@brave scarab There was someone asking a similar question, and their Sky Beta app came back to their TestFlight after changing their Apple ID to the one they had been using before. If you have only one Apple ID then please ignore this.
quaint onyx
On another topic, anyone know if there's someone at TGC named Davey?
If so, you forgot to remove a trace statement from the last build, Davey
Davey! duration=1038ms; Flags=1, IntendedVsync=...
quaint onyx
Anyway, just skimmed through the ~1000+ reviews from just April 28. The only big issues people were having were: levels not downloading (most likely they're low on space to begin with), crashing during Hidden Forest (most likely kirin devices), general lag/instability (again, most likely kirin devices)
I'd say we did well
Just us, not the TGC folk. They did squat!
We did the hard stuffs
tulip raven
Hi, Im confused. Beta news says I can now longpress my cha and slide my finger for step mode in two hand mode. Wasn't this allways in game?
Isn't this where a grey cyrcle appears under the cha, one foot stays where it is and u can drag the other foot around?
tulip raven
And then something else happens? Or is it just that u can activate it now by preasing the body?
hollow compass
I don't understand what this feature is for, other than fun.
What are you supposed to use it for?
tulip raven
Same
For screenshots maybe
To adjust ur figure in a certain way
And about the friend-stars at home. I can't see anymore if I allready gave someone a light gift or not. Or am I missing something?
worn field
i thought it was meant as an alternative way of controlling your character in general
with a little practice i've been able to use it to skip around, but i usually just use the 'normal' controls since i'm used to them
storm vessel
I find it really hard to release a call now
Have to hold down at the feet or something.
In normal mode, since no portrait for Android.
spark lance
I forgot to update
worn field
i'm managing to call normally whether i hold down on the feet or the head or somewhere in between. (i tried it in landscape and portrait, and in 1-handed and 2-handed mode.)
i'm on ios though, so maybe it's not working right on android devices.
storm vessel
In some places it works. When it doesn't work, the directional control appear when you hold down on the character.
worn field
interesting
tulip raven
I had issues to release a call before too. When the camera is far away and the figure is small and standing still. Problem for me is to press and hold the finger still, once I slightly slip away, I don't release a call but do the one step thing 😩 Don't have this issue while running or flying and release a call, obviously
I imagine it's getting worse now
worn field
i'd be interested to know if anyone on ios is experiencing that too. i haven't been able to reproduce it on my iphone so far.
@glossy sedge you maybe able to fix your bug with flying by opening the main menu, tapping on "Control" and then tapping "Invert Flight"
spark lance
Donni, about the friend stars, I already given some feedback earlier.
modest ermine
Hello
worn field
hello 
tulip raven
Ok thanks CatEye, I assume you implent its realy an issue tho. Can't find your feedback, only scroll to death. Or did you give it in feedback channel? That would explain I can't find.
dry pivot
@tulip raven not their feedback but is this what you're saying? https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/583370511694823424/704681761489027183
tulip raven
Don't know, this channel loads endless -.-
Nvm, if no one can just say:"yes! I have the same" and instead tell look here there anywhere nowhere.... I'll write a ticket later and good.
dry pivot
sorry the link usually works
tulip raven
Internet 🙄
dry pivot
well I have a similar thing but if I see the stars carefully unlit friend stars are SLIGHTLY darker than the lit ones
tulip raven
Ok thanks
dry pivot
and the link was a bug report on that issue, the colors of the stars look too similar
dry pivot
np
tulip raven
Ik, I see now. It's the star itself that is slightly darker/brighter. But uff thats hard to see
I was looking at the cyrcle around it
spark lance
I submitted in beta feedback channel, so it's hidden, Donni
spark lance
Have to adjust 100% brightness to see it
tulip raven
Oooff
spark lance
And about the stepping controls, I have been using two hand mode since beginning of the game, so I can say it's been easier to use in beta build 0.9.2 than in build 0.9.1. Got some trouble using that previously.
tulip raven
Ok, so only time and experience will tell
Thanks for ur response
sly wind
I saw a new travelling spirit coming tomorrow on the live version