beta-discussion

[teal spire]

Is it still about mask/hair?

[quiet obsidian]

Genuine question here. How many of y’all plan on boycotting TGC? Unless they miraculously redeem themselves you won’t see me buying any IAPs except the season passes. This year has been pretty disastrous in terms of both IAPs and the season of Shattering and i don’t feel like supporting them
Thing is, it’s not like one or two people are going to affect their income at all so for me it’s just a personal preference to not support them

[cosmic orchid]

they're not taking any IAP price feedbacks, that one's non-negotiable to TGC since they have no plans in changing IAP prices

[modest junco]

Aiming lower than hoping for the in app purchases to reduce? people want them to change to IGCs-
like last years items, the cat hair and mask, lower than that is another chaos..

[ocean cedar]

I mean, I'm a f2p anyways, I probably have boycotted them since the very start.

[tiny tinsel]

tbh if they tell us it’s IAP because they need money to develop the game and to just deal with it and get over it that’s better than tiptoeing around the issue with weird excuses for why they made changes LOL

[thorny jay]

4 is probably the funniest possible scenario even though it's also probably the worst

[ashen tusk]

There's some people who are only vying for surface level change such as the cat hair back to igc, but there's a lot who want IAP prices lowered and more igc items included for f2p in general, the second is probably easier to do than the first.
There's also people who want communication to be much better, I'm of the opinion they should have a specific team handling communication with testers at other very least on a weekly basis during test periods, but whether that's feasible or not is another thing altogether.

[raw wasp]

I mean. It’s beta. So honestly like. I think we should still give feedback abt the hair but like. Yeah, stuff IS subject to change and its ok to not like the change but like. Its beta so we kinda have to be prepared for that

Also yeah communication is dirt poor most of the time. I think if they had communicated the idea that the cat hair had been planned as an IAP prior to the beginning of the public beta testing phase it would’ve been better

[sharp cliff]

Idk, because from what I know people buy past iaps till date and mayhaps will do in future too, so turning hairs into iap just for development of gamesounds weird to me

On cooldown so gonna write it here; yes beta is constantly changing but there are always an end product in beta that made it to live, so if beta testers didn't like it what are the chances for live players to like the same? Wishing tgc give some insightful information about mischief cosmetics iap/igc than anything non relevant information which doesn't end well with people.

[astral yacht]

I been taking breaks from tgc because I get burnout and I’m busy with school so I don’t have time for sky, the game gets kinda boring, sky been the same for awhile, season ends and you get a 10 day break then another season start, do guests for that season to earn hearts and candles and you get a little of season lore but that’s it. I think I’m done with sky and tgc, I also don’t like thatskyshop

[gilded parrot]

📱iOS/Android: Learn about the sign-up process and how to get notified when invites happen in #beta-faq!
Switch: The Switch Beta testing period has ended with Live launch. All future content testing will be conducted on Mobile only.

[tiny tinsel]

i just mean they need to make money bc it’s a free game which is valid and understandable on their part. some people haven’t bought the previous iaps because they don’t like them, but they might buy cat hair because it’s unique and people are into that kinda stuff. the longer old iaps sit there the less likely people are to buy them i think, especially new players who are already quitting the game early on because of igc prices and the lack of explanation on how to even play the game unless you join the discord. i doubt most moths are gonna spend money on iaps, so introducing new iaps for veterans to buy is a way for them to make money guaranteed. if that makes sense

[ashen tusk]

Idk I'd definitely consider it if I were in charge there but if they ever did that I'd be sad

[shadow stratus]

Honestly considering how careless they are for our feedback reguarding prices i wouldnt doubt if the biggest part of their income comes from moths, besides whales
(I might have forgot the ping on, sorry)

[rustic leaf]

I feel like the lack of explanation on how to play is fitting, and half of the game is about figuring out how to play

[modest junco]

i'm ready with any decisions they make. though i'd love if the cat hair was to be an in game currency item, it'd be easier for me.. but if sky was to make any changes, the maximum we can expect is for them to lower the prices, which is.. i gues better than before. but it still doesn't meet the players' expectations.
i'm being realistic, lowering the prices is what i'd most likely expect, but if they actually make it an in game currency item then i'm... I'D BE SO HAPPY
that'd be wonderful
it'd be great news even for p2p players!
i'd still purchase it if they only lowered the prices, despite the fact that i'd be more thrilled if it was to be an IGC item

[ashen tusk]

slides into contact the mods officer, we got another one

[tiny tinsel]

see i disagree, idk if moths are that dedicated to the game yet enough to spend 20 bucks on a cosmetic. i’m sure some new players have gotten the $2.99 stuff and such but i doubt new players are spending big money on iaps. and i mean like, new new players, i guess? not people who have been playing for a couple months and might feel left out enough at that point to spend money on cosmetics.
i think i’m basing this mostly on how when i was a moth i thought iap prices were absolutely ridiculous too much to buy them (i still do think this lol)

[boreal jewel]

When they says week, it means next Sunday or maybe like monday?

[rustic leaf]

Monday is usually when people go back to work, but it might take some time for them to discuss things at work

[astral yacht]

What is the cost for the cat items?

[cursive tinsel]

Early working week like Monday, Tuesday or even Wednesday

[boreal jewel]

Well I'll wait then, coz I really wanna see what tgc is going to do for mischief days since they have been seen alot players discussion

It's been my first time to see ppl have been enraged on something

[tawny spear]

I'm going to be optimistic about the formal response

[worn lake]

Where is the premium candle shop to buy the cat hair? Or Sth?

[rustic leaf]

Eh, the little prince iaps had a lot of rage too ^^;;

[boreal jewel]

Naah I said, it's my first time, coz I joined sky in mid of TLP season

[ashen tusk]

I joined in prince so I'm just kinda like ah yes sky purchases are expensive which inherently is a problem in itself

They charge $105 for an umbrella irl tho so like are we even surprised at this point

[fleet cape]

Bruh, só a response only next week? #beta-announcements

[tawny spear]

I feel like there's usually a controversy or two going on haha

[lunar zealot]

It seems this has been reported in the bug channels, so it’s not just me, but I want to ask anyways; anyone else crashing constantly on the ascent to orbit, in the exact same spot, and are now storm-stuck until next beta update?

Also tried to do something fun out of it and found out if you go back into the game, talk to Ktjn while you are in storm lock you can use her teleport prompt to travel to office and essentially be able to go through all the realms as normal because of the wind paths
You’re still storm locked when you go home though lol

[cursive tinsel]

Didn't we also get a formal statement with TLP IAP situation too?
Can't find it now but I guess it's slightly different because they had a lot more restrictions to move stuff around

[rustic leaf]

I lurked here a lot even before joining beta ^^;; so there's been a few rage waves

Edit: not sure about the tlp statement, maybe in the update channel?
Edit 2: 6/5/2021 in beta updates

[dawn wraith]

I just wanted to see what was in the discussion chat before I traveled to the screenshots and videos -non beta player

[ashen tusk]

Please enjoy aurora singing #beta-screenshots-videos message I worked very hard on practicing this one

Mumbled something mischief related so this is relevant

@magic jetty how do you mean? Like different servers?

[magic jetty]

wish sky had diff prices for diff countries bc jesus Christ 😭

Nno like. umm example the witch pants r 9 dollars but in my country they cost R$47,00-ish
so it'd be changed a bit to actually match the dollar price since 47 is very very very expensive for some pants

[spark lance]

Every single shared memory is cursing me 😭

[magic jetty]

was genuinely thinking on paying up the witch hat but good lord it's SO expensive here
dollar is.. quite pricey

[dawn wraith]

I'm just a live, cozy chat dweller who's ecstatic for the next season

[modest junco]

34 in my country
trust me that's alot

[ashen tusk]

Oh yeah I wish they had like the opposite of localisation pricing? I don't know what the word is

[trim spade]

Did the madness die down 👀 Is it safe to come back and talk about bugs and stuff

[magic jetty]

the 3 person ap pack is almost the cost of a full cosplay it's upsetting but nothing i can do about it

@modest junco check #roles

[modest junco]

guys, how do you get these marks on your profile like "season of gratitute" and all? like i've been playing for a while but just got on discord in mid 2021, and it says yellow cape????

i mean red

[ashen tusk]

DM Skybot with !team_mischief and then it'll show you the options and you just message I wish to be______

Oh I thought you meant the icons beside names my bad

[terse drum]

#roles(OHHH SORRY)

[misty bone]

#roles is right thou , Ina you can check #roles

[magic jetty]

oh wow this is the first time i see this channel dead

ITS TOO DEAD

WHAT IS GOING ON
goofy

[spark lance]

its cus they announced that they were going to make a formal response

[magic jetty]

no ya ik about that but i felt like itd be more alive somehow 😟😟

[modest junco]

Thank you

[misty bone]

welcome

[near tiger]

oh ? he make the hair free ?

[vagrant fable]

As of now, no, they will talk about it early next week, since today is the weekend and they don't work

[still mauve]

Why is the chat so dead now

[gilded parrot]

[near tiger]

no because i see the channel inactive 😮

[ashen tusk]

I mean yeah, skybot is right

[sonic perch]

why is the hair iap suddenly? any link for the reasons?

[vagrant fable]

It's because people finally got tired of discussing it since there was nothing more left to say, not because they went back on the decision

[signal folio]

Mightve been hectic but hey we got an announcement and gonna get a statement.

They heard us

[spark lance]

people loved it so they decided to monetize it to make a buck off of it . its not only iap, its in an iap BUNDLE> so you have to get the cape with it too

[crude tapir]

well I hope TGC staff team can think about It better now with player feedback
And I also hope they listen to it more in the future because-
that will sound untrue and incredible and it'll blow yall's mind but people actually care for this game

[mild mason]

Apparently it was always an IAP but didn’t get pushed through in the first update

[echo nebula]

man ive been trying to read the entire thing for the past 10 hours but theres still so much more to read:')))

[vagrant fable]

Unless the statement is "we won't be changing it back, sorry"

also hello fellow Dark Crystal fan

[indigo totem]

I heard TGC will announce about the cat hair? is it true?

[signal folio]

I take them having to make a statement as a kind of win either way. The fact that they had to do it is something.

All we have to do now is keep pushing back when we won't tolerate certain prices as consumers. We are well within our rights to do that too.

||yay someone else knows what my pfp is ||

[echo nebula]

i mean they have to at this point since so many people r talking about it already

[quaint tangle]

The other three gestures haven't come out yet?

[gilded parrot]

Quick reminder!

Use this channel discuss Days of Mischief or other Beta-related topics! This keeps discussions organized in this testing phase.
For Season of AURORA chatter, head to #beta-season-test-chat
💭 Continue to send your feedback in #beta-feedback! This chat isn't a replacement for that.

[vagrant fable]

Correct, they'll be released on the next update

[neat wagon]

Everything is much more quiet here..? Did everyone calm down?

[terse drum]

for now probs

[agile ridge]

War is coming.

[quaint tangle]

ahh tyty XD

[fair pewter]

waiting for tmr

[radiant drum]

As a community there has been a lot of effort into keeping discussions constructive when bringing up criticism here, so let’s also keep the jokes about how this is a “war” or similar to a minimum. It does not help moving forward from here in any way

[neat wagon]

Well, hopefully tomorrow won't be chaotic.. better enjoy this peace for a while

[spark lance]

Collecters will suffer a bit i guess no ? Like all items to buy on Halloween + aurora items this is like 100$ minimum 🥲

[radiant drum]

It’s okay if it will be, clearly lots of people care about this and will want to discuss. We’ll keep doing our best to make sure it does not go out of hand, though

[late sonnet]

I'm glad for the transparency in that a formal statement will be made from the staff end
I discussed the issue of the IAP converted cat hair with friends, and it seems they agree that it would have been okay if there was a better IGC option even if cat hair stays IAP
so mask upgrade or an additional cool looking cosmetic would be nice

[radiant drum]

I wonder what an alternative would be. I think it’s nice that past items are brought back so you always have a chance to get them even if it makes the “total cost” of an event increase each year. And the one time TGC has tried to change a past IAP it was met with similar backlash. There is no single solution for this that will please everyone

[hushed grove]

yeah, I’m so glad that they’re gonna make a formal statement about it instead of staying in the shadows but I also don’t expect too much from them, either

[radiant drum]

It’s good to keep expectations reasonable. Things needs to be profitable for the continued development of the game, while we can hope for a good balance of content and communication— what that balance is will be different for everyone though, and I’m sure they got plenty of individual feedback to go over and decide

[cobalt jacinth]

Skykids 1: we need new items in events
Skykids 2: with all past items it's too expensive it's not good either

[stuck rose]

Would be fun if we could get spells while fishing… not just crabs and other rubbish
Like it was during mischief

[south sphinx]

there are way too many IAPs already for days of mischief - come on now, 11/15 cosmetics cost money? they all add up to about $120. TGC would get plenty of sales even if they made some of those f2p
i understand that making a free game without ads needs a profit to continue but man quit makin stuff so expensive

[arctic valley]

I am loving that we can ride the krill now in the blood moon area.

[silver lark]

Welp, let’s just wait for tomorrow then 😔

[hushed grove]

well, I can’t argue with that, but my expectations are still pretty low there have been so many feedbacks that they’ve gotten from a tremendous amount of people, so it might take awhile to gather the right amount of information to share to the public.. how are you doing by the way, Miri?

[lunar zealot]

Most of those IAPs are part of the older DoM events though, and are returning so people that missed out will be able to get them. It does make the event pricier in total, if you’re going for everything. But it also means that you can get something now, and something another year

[radiant drum]

Just keep in mind “early next week” could mean a number of things, they’re not going to release a written statement the second their workday starts. Going through feedback alone may take time, plus meetings and anything in between.

[radiant drum]

I’m doing good. A little sleepy though, good morning all

Hope you’re all doing alright too!

[still mauve]

I wonder if they're gonna keep the cat hair IAP and make it cheaper or give It to igc, it honestly would be unfair for players who wanted the igc item

[elder inlet]

mischief aside tho,do hope beta's gonna be more stable so i can actually login properly and without server error

[dusty pagoda]

Hello, I met a issue in Beta, when I was trying to get IAPs from last Halloween event spirits, it told me I've got them all but I didn't. (as like witch hat and krill pumpkins)
May I ask, Is there any way to fix it or should I just report it as a bug?

[spark lance]

I haven't check in here for a while
Anything happened yet??

[radiant drum]

Check #beta-announcements and give it some time Though discussion continues here as always

[tame edge]

Put on feedback :0
Perhaps you did got it in your closet when that abyss season bug happened where most of the IAPs came to your closet?

[radiant drum]

You need to get them from their respective staff NPC, are they missing from there?

Spells and items from the last couple years of Days of Mischief will also be available. For those who want the items, seek out the staff NPCs in different areas of the event area who offer them in their trees once you talk to them.

[dusty pagoda]

No.. My first event in Beta is This year's Lunar New Year ><
And Yes I did found correct NPCs ; ;
I have sent my screenshots in #beta-screenshots-videos

[radiant drum]

Looks like it might be a bug then, yeah. You should report it!

[dusty pagoda]

Okiee!
Thank you so much for responding
And @tame edge

[twin isle]

If cat hair stays iap I hope it's not more than 10-15 USD but I have a feeling it'll be more I was so happy it was igc...

[late sonnet]

seconding this, just because the overall number of IAPs increase due to returning items, it's not like people tend to buy every single one of them in one go. You may just choose one of the lot you enjoy then save your money for other things.

[cobalt jacinth]

I am not expert in gaming industry, but did small calculations based on sales of the game in theroy. Let's say for simplicity TGC has 100 employees. A regular coder (even in my country where they are underpaid) earns 2500-5000$/month. Some employees may be not coders and some of them maybe earn more because of more serious tasks. That's already 250.000-500.000$ for TGC to pay only the employees per month. And there come plus bills, constantly upgrading devices, other costs, also very high server fees (to keep millions of free players), whereas a few percent of players buy anything, and even smaller fracture of 1% of players buy all IAP. Although cheaper prices can make more sales but unfortunately not more income. If products are 50% cheaper, sales usually don't double anywhere

[shy escarp]

Still mad about the cat hair tbh

[torn egret]

Who's next ts?

[delicate thistle]

they have less than 50 i think, it's on the web

anw yeah

[limpid mantle]

!ts

[gilded parrot]

The next Traveling Spirit is scheduled to arrive on <t:1662015600:F> (<t:1662015600:R>)

You can learn more about Traveling Spirits here:
http://bit.ly/TravelingSpirits

[torn egret]

I do not know now who the next ts, when i know when it be, ty😭 i hope it will be yeti

[radiant drum]

In a recent interview it was shared TGC has 100+ employees and Sky has about 8 million daily active users. Surely a lot of costs to cover from that alone

[cobalt jacinth]

No one knows what will be the next ts in beta.

[radiant drum]

TS announcements usually happen on Tuesdays (Pacific Time) in #news! That’s when you will know

Beta TSs are never representative of Live TSs. In fact, we’re behind the schedule atm

[misty bone]

beta was behind live schedule .... yes... i forgot which was the last one thou...

[torn egret]

Ok ty! I just read so much diz info, everyone says its yeti or another spirits

[spark lance]

I think it was air prophet??

[potent peak]

oh thats good to know lol

[white sparrow]

Cat ears accessory petition still going strong 💪

[quiet obsidian]

hey does anyone know if TGC have made a statement like the one they mentioned to be coming in beta updates before? It’d be interesting to see if they’ve had to address backlash like this before or if this is the first time it’s boiled over so severely

[potent peak]

yep, waiting till tomorrow for an announcement by tgc

[misty bone]

ty birby!, next one should be greeting shaman if there is no issue with beta...

[viscid sundial]

Glad to hear there will be some sort of response, hope it'll put a stop to everyone flooding TGCs social media with cat hair comments

[humble plinth]

inb4 they made a 2000 words announcement on how they won’t change the iap /j

honestly, im glad they’re finally going to make a formal response, no matter what they’re gonna say

[viscid sundial]

RIP reactions but, same. Usually dev comments/responses are said here and get flooded immediately so it'll be helpful to have something everyone can see. Though I'm worried about how everyone will react..

[glass spoke]

i expect the formal response to be an essay on why the miscommunication happened and a gentle "no, we won't change the iap"
as a broke cat hair wanter, i'm praying and i'm also in denial

[limpid pumice]

I feel like thry are just gonna say, "Hahaha sorry we did that little oopsie we still hope you'll be paying for cat pack for the cat hair, the only thing we can change the IGC cat mask into probably something worse or back to it's old self, and not balance out the IAP between the IGC. Have fun F2P players."

[hushed grove]

⤴️ I just hope that it’s a genuine response and not an excuse as to why it’s going to remain as an IAP I think it’ll be very unfortunate if that happens

[zinc gate]

bro all i wanted was a free good hair @spark lance yeah i agree

[spark lance]

I mean if everyone disagrees to the change of the cat mask/ hair they should redo it to igc

[hushed grove]

tfw TGC is trying to be indirect behind the formal statement:

[spark lance]

🥺😭 i mean the IPAS IT SELF COST MORE THEN ANYTHING and TGC earns to good during mischief no wonder they do this <\3

[limpid pumice]

FOR REAL IF TGC DOESN'T DO THAT, they must really be desperate to put that cat hair into IAP. It's sad they had to downgrade the mask for F2P players, when you look at the DoM feminine long hair, DoB hairstyle and capes, the DoF Scarf. Things can be higher quality for the F2P they just seem like the only things good in DoM should only be the IAP.

[dire fox]

That's not how payroll works in the slightest. From someone who works in the industry.

[zinc gate]

i mean bro 90% of the community agrees that tgc should put back the hair to igc probably and i cant blame them its true f2ps need something good for once i dont care if its an "accident" or not

[arctic wagon]

Honestly i would’ve been less upset if they didn’t change the cat mask. Would’ve still been upset but I’m genuinely annoyed/ angry ://

[still mauve]

The only fair thing is to put the cat hair for free for igc players cuz they're mostly invisible for tgc rn, I understand those who can pay for the hair if it's cheaper but what about those who can't either way? It's better to have it set back to igc cuz if not this whole thing will keep going on

[vital shadow]

Quite off topic, but I feel like they should keep the jellyfish friends for throughout the whole game, this feature is perfect for solo players and very convenient too. It for sure makes me feel less lonely when I’m on

[waxen pier]

people are arguing about cat hair.. and i literally can't even find where it is

[sand garnet]

If they really are designing a new version of the mask because they didn't like the old one they could just revert it to it's old design since most players seem to have been fine with it and use this time to model something like a ponytail version of the cat hair or a cat ear accessory for their IAP bundle and let us have the original cat hair as IGC. ^_^;

[radiant drum]

They have lots of feedback to take into consideration, as well as their internal matters. There's no use in speculating on what the announcement will be, it's best to talk about what you personally wish to happen instead

As a general reminder as always, be careful when speaking in hyperboles or trying to speak for others or what we believe the majority is. We are the most impactful when we are honest about what we each individually think

[limpid pumice]

Because it's bugged for a lot, but it should be in the IAP store/Premium shop.

[waxen pier]

my shop has nothingness

[sand garnet]

I've heard that if you bought the IAP pack the hair was switched into before it got swapped in then you won't be able to get it at all now. ^_^;;

[digital pasture]

tbh I'm interested as to what they're going to say.
this is like, already miles more of a response we got for previous outrages about season of shattering and IAP discourse related to instruments and items. but unfortunately that isn't saying a lot, since the release of SOS was basically radio silence.

I haven't been active in this chat so idk HOW upset everyone's been, but I'm glad your anger has been acknowledged at least.

[limpid pumice]

Then it is bugged for you my friend, until TGC fixes something to where players that didn't get it through buying candles, or the IAP you're gonna have to wait. :''''

[radiant drum]

Things switch around during testing often, and sadly it usually means that if you got the "old" version of something that was changed, you might not be able to test the new one

[waxen pier]

ohh sigh.. i wanted to join this argument too..but ok good luck everyone.. but i'm sure the price is no less than 24$ which is still a lot for that

[radiant drum]

You can refer to what's been shared in #beta-announcements, which is really what all testers know at the moment. You can still participate

🔹Switched the cat mask with the cat ear hair, making the mask an IGC item (44 candles during testing) and the cat ear hair an IAP (bundled with the cat cape during testing)

[tardy hawk]

day one of recommending that the cat mask is formatted to look like the proph ult and put back in the cat pack

[limpid pumice]

You cam still be mad even if it's unavailable to get, having TGC just say it was an accident to put it into IGC to IAP a lot of people are mad because it was a good free hairstyle that was replaced with a bad recolor of the moth mask, you can be mad over something that you don't have in game, anyone who tells you that is very specific and stubborn.

[radiant drum]

I don't believe it was said it was an accident, the change from IGC and IAP was intentional and it's stated in the patch notes, we can all give feedback on that. What's been clarified is the change happened internally over a week ago, even if the first build that got to us still had the IGC hair, as some were worried it happened overnight

You can still disagree with (or not believe) these statement and changes, but it's important to represent their wording clearly to others

[limpid pumice]

I swear a mod said it was planned and it was not meant to be IGC in the first place.

[fast skiff]

A moderator is not a TGC staff.

[unkempt root]

How much Will the cat prop be?

[radiant drum]

Here's a message from a TGC dev about it, for reference:
#beta-discussion message
If another mod did say it was an accident, perhaps that was a mistake on their part but yes, not an official statement from TGC

@unkempt root We'll most likely only know pricing and the final distribution of items once the event is announced for Live in #news

[arctic wagon]

Okay but how many other paid items did they have for the days of mischief already??

[still mauve]

More than the tree itself 💀

[magic jetty]

11-ish

[radiant drum]

All previous items are returning, so combined they add up to a lot of IAP items which you can find the price of in past #news announcements (as well as the IGC ones). Personally I see that as a nice thing though, rather than retiring old items and making them unavailable going forward

[late sonnet]

tbh realistically it's just like seasonal fruit grocery shopping
you get certain fruit at some times of year and you just get the ones you like it's not like you get one of all of em

[arctic wagon]

Exactly! I was thinking about buying a paid item when cat hair was still in game currency, but now i don’t even wanna think about it tbh. >:|

[echo ermine]

You could put old items i the tree for igc but I’m sure not many people that bought the items would appreciate that idea

[snow jetty]

I think the IAP ones total over 80 USD now. Don’t quote me though

[sand garnet]

It's nice that they all return but the disparity between iap and igc... It'd be nice if they also released more nice igc DoM items to even it out. ^_^;;

[still mauve]

It's a nice thing for rich people not for 70% of their underage players/community.

@arctic wagon buying paid items are really expensive not everyone has that kind of money if the cat hair was still igc everyone wouldn't have made such a commotion over it even tho it's justified

[radiant drum]

When days of feast first returned for testing in Beta, they did change one of the past IAP to IGC and there was quite a negative reaction to the change, and in the end it went to live as an IAP again. It's a tough situation

[late sonnet]

weren't candles added to the items when they were originally sold at high prices?
iirc the summer lantern didn't have candles originally either but it was added on later

[limpid pumice]

Mischief Withered Antlers - $9.99 USD
Mischief Witch Jumper - $9.99 USD
Mischief Spider Quiff - $4.99 USD
Mischief Spooky Pumpkin Prop - $1.99 USD
Returning item: Mischief Web Cape - $14.99 USD
Returning item: Mischief Witch Hat - $9.99 USD
Returning item: Hungry Pumpkin Hat (including 12 Candles) - $11.99 USD
Returning item: Spooky Bat Cape (including 8 Candles) - $17.99 USD
Mischief Catch Up Pack, includes Hungry Pumpkin Hat, Spooky Bat Cape (including 20 Candles) - $29.99 USD

I pulled this from the fandom website.

[still mauve]

It might be different, this time players are fighting for players who have less items and downgraded ones when the IAPS are literally so much good quality with an unbelievable price.

[arctic wagon]

That’s literally already 139 USD 💀💀

[sand garnet]

I wish people would just be more okay with having paid for early access to an item, especially since it's a whole year. If the spider quiff I bought my best friend last year returned as igc instead this year I wouldn't be mad, I'd just do twinsies with my friend. ^_^;;

[limpid pumice]

Now possibly including 20USD more because of the cat pack along with maybe 5 or 10USD for the cat prop.

[spark lance]

At some point the cosmetics are just going to get to such an overwhelming amount that people just decide to save for other events entirely

[radiant drum]

I think giving everyone the chance to always get an event item, regardless of when they started playing, is a nice thing rather than having them always be limited availability

When it comes to pricing in general everyone will have a different opinion on it and there is no hard truth, other than live service games relying on IAP purchases for continued development and the majority of that profit coming from big spenders. TGC takes all of that into account when making decisions, while it's only natural for players to expect a good balance

[arctic wagon]

I think a lot of people are going to do that if they keep getting more iap items ://

[radiant drum]

@spark lance i've removed your message as soliciting is against the rules of this server, even as a joke

[still mauve]

But what if some people already have the whole tree items and not able to buy any IAPS? Wouldn't that ruin the experience or the point of the event if it's nothing to receive from it?

[late sonnet]

I do think that if there continues to be high IAP priced items, more IGC to balance it out would be good
there doesn't need to be less IAP persay, but balancing it out with an equal amount of IGC would work out well
the anniversary event's items was a good example of that

[abstract fable]

I've said it before but I'm sure past IAP buyers wouldn't be against IAP returning as igc if the prices weren't so high. This is a hole tgc dug themselves in. They should have had planned on how this price system would reflect on the long run

[spark lance]

If TGC wants to continue pushing out content then a rotational IAP store system would make more sense tbh. Rather than having 30 IAPs being sold at once during a three week event

[sterile flame]

I do get that, but the people who decided last year to spend real money on that item just for it to come back as IGC is understandably a little annoying and unfair to the ones that bought the item last year 😖

[limpid pumice]

Remove FOMO just go through a rotation of new and old IAPS every year... If this was a rotation with 2 or 3 old IAPS and 1 new IAP along with thr IGC tree items in rotation every year with 4 old and 1 or 2 new IGC items it would seem more fair and equal for both to have good quality i feel like...

[spark lance]

the cat prop is 9.99 so you're completely correct . it'll cost about 150 usd total

[still mauve]

Ngl I wouldn't mind paying 200 candles If they put the cat hair as free again , it's such a good looking item that I'd grind hard for it( but they shouldn't downgrade it like the mask just cuz it might be free again )

[arctic wagon]

I’m just annoyed, i bet the excuse will be something like “ oh yeah it was already planned to be iap, and no we won’t change it” >://

[radiant drum]

That's why I personally believe there should also be a good selection of free content, cosmetic or otherwise, for everyone to enjoy. Even if people can't get everything, there should still be something each year to make you happy and able to participate. As we see now, that's easier said than done though and not a simple situation

[silent anchor]

It might be a little annoying but I think it’s better for it to be a bit annoying to some but makes sure that everyone is included when it comes to cool cosmetics rather than leaving f2p players out

[abstract fable]

I have bought past mischief items and I'm mad that they haven't returned as igc. 3 years have passed. It's crazy to think this is fair to the game

[radiant drum]

Yeah, I think so. And TGC has stated many times candles are added after the fact as a bonus, and not influenced in the price

[late sonnet]

I think cat prop would be around $5 because it would be the one cheap IAP item that is more "affordable" to get
I still can't believe pumpkin krill was $2 it's pretty low for an animated prop

[potent peak]

i think a huge part of the problem is that there was only gonna be one new f2p item, but players were still happy since it was literally the most wanted cosmetic

[spark lance]

Yea but even retail stores give sales for out of season stuff , and clearances for old cosmetics . why cant we get a discount for 3 year old cape(hair prop whatever) ?

[still mauve]

It was the most wanted and it still is but as an igc item not as an IAP

[spark lance]

Maybe having a warning would be better? Like I’m ok paying for AP because who know when that ts is coming and I would rather pay for the early access. If I knew that the event IAP was going to return as igc. Like clear explicit warning and communication it’s coming back as igc. I would know that I am paying for it early access and to support tgc.

[limpid pumice]

Could be, but it's almost the same quality as the fox prop which was 9,99USD for it. Yes it is animated, but i just really hope you are right and jinx it to be cheaper.

Okay true it was a collaboration as well.

[sterile flame]

TGC knows how popular those items are, especially the bat cape, so it's no surprise to me that they'd keep them as IAPs.

I honestly would be down for a decrease of the prices, even if it was just 5 USD

[sand garnet]

I am someone who spent real money on that item last year, just not for myself. My buddy has enjoyed having that hair all the past year though, I'm already satisfied with that purchase. ^_^;

[spark lance]

Having a bias to IAP cosmetics looking better than IGC cosmetics is what's causing the imbalance tbh. Like how IAPs props are leagues above IGC props(some) and how once a cosmetic gets a reskin, its worthy of a price tag. It's more balanced in seasons but events kinda show the cracks

[late sonnet]

but the fox prop was a collaboration item, so it makes sense to be higher so the collaboration partner also benefits from the price.

[spark lance]

and now that they decided to downgrade mask and put it as the only igc this year .. its extremely disappointing for the f2p vets that have everything else already. we were only fine with the cat hair because it was so so so so meow . but now .. eh . halloween not even worth logging on

[merry ivy]

Maybe a rare wares shop of sorts to take out 3 year old IAPs. Like have them on a monthly rotation system so that they arent loaded into the Days events each time it rolls around. Could be where old Quest Giver goes when not at boat?

Like each year put the 3 years behind IAPs into there

[sterile flame]

Yess that would be very nice to have, especially if the first time the cosmetic comes around it also comes with seasonal/normal candles. You could decide whether or not you'd want to buy that IAP with the bonus of candles, or wait until next year without the candle bonus.

[lusty pecan]

If either making iap return as igc or make the iap return once only are not suitable, why don’t tgc decrease the price of old iap items whenever they return? It will helps players less overwhelmed with the price than keep the high price every year and add more and more items with same high price like that. I don’t think they have never thought of that, they just didn’t want to do it:/

[spark lance]

I definitely think they need a cosmetics shop. where theres past items on rotation at a discount price. almost like TS but for cosmetics only.

[still mauve]

Exactly giving poor quality cuz it's free is really low but they said it's not done yet so let's hope it gets better

[spark lance]

I mean.. the marshmallow sticks ended up being $20. And I think it was because it’s an interactive prop??? So the cat being as interactive as it is I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s also at least $10

[abstract fable]

Another important matter that tgc chose to ignore that would affect the game in the long run, despite players' warning for years, is that season packs are made mostly useless now since they downgrade season items in favor of IAP items

[spark lance]

It would remove FOMO, the existential crisis everyone has about returning items clashing with the new. Give more breathing room for IGC and give people a more flexible time frame to get paid cosmetics at their own pace

[potent peak]

honestly in general its kinda hard to predict the price since iap costs have been rising

[arctic wagon]

I just hope the cat hair is $10 and not a penny more .

[radiant drum]

The one time TGC decreased the value of something returning in testing, it caused a similar negative reaction here and they changed it back to the original in the end (and kept it that way ever since). Goes to show these situations are not quite simple and one-sided, there is no single solution to please everyone

[spark lance]

yea i mean when you look at the mask now . whats the difference from that vs the scolding student mask? ... i mean.. black face. bright eyes .. thing on the forehead.. wheres the creativity? where the uniqueness ?

[late sonnet]

to differentiate between the two:

stick stand: you are able to pick up and don a new prop altogether (the marshmallow stick) and infinitely burn mallows, as well as put it away and wear it on your back. It has the same interactivity as purple teaset, just with more movement allowed. Multiple players are able to pick up many sticks as they please.

cat prop: just like the pumpkin krill, it changes appearance when you walk into its beam, but has an additional effect of yeeting you (which has been noted to be altered to be a more consent based throw)

I also wouldn't be surprised if it became $10 but historically for events like these (ignoring sunlight) there is usually a cheap $5 or less item added for purchase and I'd like to think it's the cat prop.

[spark lance]

This can be said about a lot of masks we've seen throughout the past year. The quality just seems to be taking a nose dive compared to previous seasons(excluding Days Of Fortune masks bc they always slap)

[sterile flame]

TGC can't please all 8 million players, no matter what they decide to change or "fix". I think they know that too, and hesitate to make changes like that.

[arctic wagon]

I just hope they return the cat hair to f2p, i liked the cat bundle more because they matched. Now (for some people) it might seem as if they’re forced to pay for one item and then have to spend candles to make it a matching look :((

[spark lance]

oh this brings up the getting rid of prices i beta thing. now that prices are gone, they came out with an essentially useless marshmallow prop people literally laugh at because its so ridiculously expensive. this is exactly why they needed the prices in beta , because thats definitely not worth that price tag. it doesnt even come with its own fire source ...

[abstract fable]

It's been 2 years since prophecy Anubis mask, one of the most liked and hyped by the fanbase, was released. Since then it's like they're scared of doing really cool masks like that again

[glass spoke]

JESUS

[spark lance]

because they're waiting to release a reskin of the mask in an upcoming season as an ult

[radiant drum]

It's even more complicated when it's regarding decisions that directly affect their profit. At the end of the day, Sky is free and has continued support of free content because of the players that are willing to buy the IAPs. If they are not careful about keeping a good balance it does put all players and their company at risk

[sterile flame]

💀 💀 💀 💀
Cough cough SoP owl hair

[teal spire]

[spark lance]

I agree. i mean just look at the anubis mask.. sassy drifter mask, and theres also that bunny one that was pretty cool and the deer head as well. The masks nowadays seem hella lazy ... they're all really just copy paste of each other. the creativity just went down the gw toilet bowl . even the season of aurora masks are just paint on regular face...

[spark lance]

Yea that does make sense. I guess I just struggle to predict the prices for things now.

[lusty pecan]

I understand if tgc can’t please everyone. But the number of people had negative reaction, are they majority or minority? I meant, have tgc ever made a survey of players’s attitudes toward the change? Because obviously, the number of rich players are minority to fp2 players or players who can afford a low amount of money right? I believe if tgc make a survey, number of players agree will be more than ones disagree. The thing here is, tgc want to please which kind of players more right?

[tame merlin]

VERY WELL SAID I AGREE 100% thats how I look at all of this situation

[sterile flame]

I really like the designs of the Aurora masks, but realizing how simple they really are does make me feel a little sad

[spark lance]

Ah yes, the reskin that divided the fandom. But Season Of Aurora seems pretty unique and dare I say might dethrone Dreams

[teal spire]

@lusty pecan what a good nickname you have.

[spark lance]

i dang. someone pulled out the owl hair 2.0 . please im wheezing. its so factual it hurts

[abstract fable]

They're the game developers, they should know when to make hard decisions for the betterment of the game in the long run. That's part of their job. Them choosing to let this game turn to a cash grab because some voices didn't like was terrible, awful decision and they should have planned it accordingly and communicated with the fanbase. They didn't chose to keep IAP prices because they care, they chose it because it was easier

[late sonnet]

personally when I make a prediction, I look at how other similar items in the past have been priced and for what kind of value it brings
generally the $20 items are because they serve an interactivity function for more than one player, as such the Days of Love items are $20, and the teasets also follow that price because it's more about having an item that benefits others more than you yourself.
hence I understand why the stick stand is at the price it's at, and I just say that it's not for me and don't buy it and move on XD

[sterile flame]

Ngl these are some of my most favorite cosmetics from a season (the ones that are out at least) and they do look really unique, especially the pants!!

[spark lance]

Oh look im following the bandwagon

[radiant drum]

I don't think any of us can say what the majority or the minority is. Even considering all of the members in this server, we're a very very tiny slice of the playerbase. They surely have their internal metrics, and while it would be nice to have an insight of how that looks, we can only speculate but speak for ourselves

[still mauve]

Facts let's hope we receive our hair back and everything comes to back to normal with a better change

[tame merlin]

I don’t think it’s because is easier but actually because a company needs a lot of money to keep running and working properly, not to mention collabs cost a lot and not every IAP item gets a lot of sellings because sometimes they’re not liked by others for example in days of rainbows I didnt liked any of the IAP because they werent my style, so if they dont get enough profits from old IAP they gotta make more and more

[spark lance]

It really isnt our responsibility to do their accounting for them. Its above our pay grade haha. And it isnt in our job description to take care of their finances either. However, it sure is their responsibility to take care of their player base, and gaming community. Their client satisfaction levels have went down the drain ..

fr imo they're afraid of saying prices because they wouldn't handle eventual criticism that items are overpriced/not worthy
when price is basically the first factor of choosing "what should i buy" "can i spend more money for something well working?" "definitely would find cheaper item looking and working similar"
price is basically the most important part of product

[teal spire]

If they want to do more paid stuff, then they have to keep a balance between IGC and IAP.

[potent peak]

lmao do you think aurora has heard abt the player dissatisfaction

[spark lance]

yikes.

[late sonnet]

it was stated that prices are hidden because it was not the feedback they were looking for, not that you can't continue to send your pricing predictions/what you want the items to be priced at.
Even with the prices hidden people continue to be upset when items become IAP so that kind of feedback can also be sent.

[patent skiff]

There’s probably gonna be an excuse/announcement of some kind and not an actual change. I saw this coming ngl lol

[tame merlin]

Yes thats true but having a balance between IGC and IAP items means less sells for them because people will only choose to get free items because there are plenty free already rather than if they had less IGC people will choose some IAP items to have more stuff

[spark lance]

They look pretty ridiculous, but in a "I'm going to a party and might not come back" kind of way

[abstract fable]

How much money do they need? Compare it to other game companies. Tgc is a money black hole then. It isn't the playerbase's job to do their money counts. We aren't investors, we get nothing out of expensive IAP remaining expensive IAP. What's next, sky nfts? They're based in California, on of the most expensive places in america, as a tech company, known to be profitable in Cali. They aren't eating pbj sandwiches to keep the game rolling, but the players sure are forced to that decision. Look at the numbers

[clever cradle]

question, when does mischeif start in live? i dont have beta so i dont know when it started there

[lusty pecan]

Their incomes is not just come from selling iap items, mate. There are a lot of other source bring them money, for instance the number of downloads in app store and CH play . Furthermore, they have to balance between igc and iap items because they are a lot of f2p players who also want to enjoy the game. Until now, iap items are almost 3 times more than igc items. It is obviously imbalance.

[tawdry pebble]

About October, or we could say it happens nearly the same days with Halloween

[potent peak]

probably sometime early october as its the halloween event

[spark lance]

halloween iaps already cost about 140usd. how much more do they want?

[spark lance]

Idk how much they spend on their workers/tech resources, so it’s imo kind of pointless to speculate their standing

@lusty pecan dang that’s really is a nice hairstyle may I ask what mask is that

[spark lance]

also from merch shop, like, it's not open always but drops i saw once or twice are so expensive

[clever cradle]

thats what i assumed, someone told me it would be next month which sounded pretty off, thanks!!

[spark lance]

Im going to say this one more time. its not players job to keep an eye on their finances for them. but it is their job to keep their gaming community satisfied. and their client satisfaction levels are extremely low right now. so guess who's not doing a great job?

[teal spire]

We already have a lot of IAP stuff and over time they are less and less trying on these items, making them boring, monotonous and ugly.

[lusty pecan]

I don’t remember the spirit name but it comes from the spirit has emote looks like waving hand

[tawdry pebble]

To greedy ones, never is enough
On second thought, if the dev really want to take money from us, I wouldn’t mind if the fanservice + ingame experience they give us is nice. However, at the mean time with these server errors keep occuring, splitting servers, countless bugs then nah, i must say I’m disappointed.

|| Btw I see Mannen x Kaguya👀 ||

[abstract fable]

Someone already checked them and it was something like 14/h base to 95/h

[tame merlin]

@lusty pecan I understand they have a lot of money already but do you guys think all the money they get they used it to go out and have fun? They need to pay for their company electricity, taxes, every worker, suppliers for their skyshop, programing cost too, collabs, etc

Is not like all the money is just for them to have fun, and yeah you are right we arent their investors but the thing is none of us have to buy any of the IAP items we can enjoy the game with what we have

[shadow stratus]

I really wouldnt mind 140$ iap for a single event if we didnt had issues like android 8 not being able to open the game right now lol

[spark lance]

yeah, literally why customers should care that much about prosperity of company?

[snow jetty]

Personally this is my biggest issue, there’s so many bugs in the live game and they don’t seem to fix them? And when they do android somehow always gets even worse bugs

[spark lance]

thx that looks exactly like whiskers

[spark lance]

thats actually 高马尾 and 雨妈 ( forest elder and high pony tail ) its a popular fan couple sky based.

[spark lance]

That’s a big range 👀;
We’d need more to be confident about their status

[radiant drum]

I believe the situation is more nuanced. They are open to feedback, but that goes both ways. There is a multitude of different people in the community, and even more conflicting opinions being given to them to make these decisions, which will present themselves in different ways depending on the situation and what the reception is. While I personally disagree, I don't think it's fair for me to believe my opinion is more righteous than anyone else's, or that people are wrong in wanting what they've purchased to remain the same price going forward

TGC is responsible for betterment of the game in the long run, but what that looks like will be wildly different depending on who you ask. We as individuals do not necessarily know what's better for most players and for the future of the game, while we can and should advocate for what we believe in and would like to see in the game we all love

[teal spire]

We want money to have fun too yk? But instead, we have to spend an incredible amount of money on one or two items.

[spark lance]

Many players bought candle packs when they can't CR and wanting TS items. Some were crazy enough to buy season candles to get UG first day of the season.
Some bought multiple passes to gift friends, or to host pass giveaways, bought IAPs for friends.
And as for events, mischief is not the only event. There were fortune, days of love, bloom, sunlight/lazy days, feast.. wow. There's also skyshop.
It would be great if there's something for everyone from all of this events, including the IAP, if only the prices were much more affordable.

[spark lance]

Chibi , its above your pay grade to be analyzing their finances. and taking care of their corporate expenses.
Not to mention the fact that IAP isnt their only source of revenue. so dont assume we're their only source of income. with dev corps like that they receive alot of funding from sponsorships and investment groups.

[abstract fable]

This very much. It seems all the IAP money goes back to creating more IAP money. There's no real gameplay investment. I've been waiting for more than 2 years for this game to develop, but the only focus is on iap

[maiden pond]

@tame merlin I see you. There can only be one. nah, I'm joking.

[tame merlin]

We have?! Im sorry but we dont have to spend a single dollar to have fun

I enjoy Sky for the experience with my friends and Im thankful with TGC for all the free stuff I got, all the TS we get are from previous seasons, most of us who didnt bought the Adventure Pass are fortunates to get the items thanks to TS

They game is fun without buying any IAP buddy

[radiant drum]

While you can be disappointed in the gameplay at the moment, it's not very fair to say there's no gameplay investment when all purchases are inherently cosmetic. Now this does influence gameplay, but everyone can still enjoy the game, all seasons and events at no cost, as well as some cosmetics. Is it enough? Depends on who you ask, but there is something done there

[spark lance]

I had a friend that dropped cash on seasonal candles first day in order to max everything out so they dont have to worry about doing dailies every day for the rest of the season. this is the 4th season they've done that. lets just take a moment and think about how much cash that must be.

[spark lance]

I thought they were you

[tawdry pebble]

|| Eh I don’t think so? I was once in Onmyoji fandom and has seen this fanart multiple times. As an shipper of them i know. Where do you get this info still ||

But ye let’s don’t take this problem too far cuz this group is about Sky

[abstract fable]

No it isn't fun. And don't say the fun is in the community and friends because that wasn't tgc's work and investment, that was ours.

[shadow stratus]

I think for the purpose of the game, all content drops we had so far were good, no exception. Even shattering, the places all red is amazing

[radiant drum]

As a general reminder, let's not take any part of the discussion to a personal level or head into territory of passive aggression. People will experience the game in different ways and that's alright, we can still discuss on how we feel here without necessarily agreeing with each other

[snow jetty]

The fact the game now is just candle run to get more accessories and not “play for fun” for a lot of people says a lot, just saying

Edit: I’d like to add I want to enjoy the game but have lost some interest because if this

[cobalt jacinth]

Please elaborate, we would love to learn I'm sure

[spark lance]

Tgc made the entire world space of Sky. Taking all the credit for you being entertained doesn’t seem right at all

[tame merlin]

It’s also above your pay grade to be demanding changes in their company game, it’s not up to any of us to ask for more IGC items and for less IAP whem they’re the owners

@maiden pond 😂😂😂❤️

[radiant drum]

@tame merlin everyone is welcome to discuss here, as well as send feedback to TGC, whether negative or positive. That's what beta testing is for, and it can come across as quite dismissive to shoot down concerns

[spark lance]

actually thats the whole purpose of beta testing. we're seeing something as unreasonable and giving feedback. are you even in beta ?

[teal spire]

Bruh that's actually up to us cuz we're the ones who support this project.

[lusty pecan]

Which company doesn’t have to pay for electricity, taxes, workers? Every companies have to pay all that. They are not a small company at all. They have to pay all that doesn’t mean they have to sell too many iap items with an unbelievable price like what they are doing right now.

[abstract fable]

They don't even have 50 employees and make more than 2 million per month

[radiant drum]

Even in Live we can continue to suggest changes and submit feedback through #live-feedback. So let's take discussion back to how we each feel about what's currently being tested

[tawdry pebble]

Back at those first seasons I swear I had had fun playing Sky. I could balance on getting elders hair, buying stuffs from expensive TS, unlocking friendship tree at the same time.
But now? Despite having got all the TS , i still feel tired for myself and even for other people for grinding candles, like desperately cuz the events don’t even give us much time to rest.

Sky now is stressful, not fun at all tbh.

[snow jetty]

Not trying to be mean, but it feels like you’re trying to pick fights ChibiLink

[radiant drum]

I'll be deleting comments aimed at other people's character or otherwise disrespectful of someone's opinions. Please keep it civil

[abstract fable]

They did 4 years ago. Since then nothing was developed for gameplay. For 4 years all that was developed was the IAP system
The only thing people report that makes them stay longer than a month is the friends and community

[chilly wigeon]

Can't wait to get the cat hair in live to combine with the white pants since that's impossible for me to do on beta now

[finite crown]

I agree with you , cause really are more companies and they items at games aren't that so much expensive. Example i saw 0,99 €for little thing or little pack of items. But here just one little jellyfish it's like 3,99€ . Pls it's just example don't be mad when i wrote little bit price different

[cobalt jacinth]

False, in a recent interview they stated they have 100+ employees

[shadow stratus]

New areas adds to gameplay, emotes, swimming, shared memories , friend interactions, season stories...

[cursive tinsel]

TGC have developed new types of content ( perhaps more slowly than bigger/faster mobile game companies)

We have had lots of new seasonal areas, some new types of quests like prophecy,assembly etc ,swimming in abyss and even shared spaces and harmony hall which all gave new gameplay to a degree

I'd like to see some more new fundamental gameplay added with this season but this is event chat not seasonal wishlist I guess

[gilded parrot]

Hey @cursive tinsel, did you get enough sneep snorp today?

[abstract fable]

100+ employees and the servers are still so underdeveloped? Yikes

[snow jetty]

hello skybot 👁️

[teal spire]

[gilded parrot]

I heard a rumor that the mods are secretly mantas... I don't wanna get kidnapped again!

[spark lance]

Playerbase figuring out their own gameplays, making fun challenges, play music together, making crazy arrangements of props, going OOBs.
They did notice the prop arranging, then make shared space. Making music hall for music lovers.
Provide some "exploring" while nuking the old known OOB fun. I'm not surprise if soon in the future they might "provide" special IAP for exploring . Maybe . Lol

[humble basin]

[tawdry pebble]

Meanwhile me sitting here for nearly 3 years already waiting for an emote that has function like Hide-n-Seek one

[cursive tinsel]

Seriously skybot....after the past few days you are waking up again

[tame merlin]

Yes you’re right they arent a small company but that doesnt change anything because the bigger the company the more workers they need meaning that they have to keep spending money to pay them

TBH none of us know the hard work it takes to run a company and how much profits they actually gain, we cant assume they’re enjoying all that money because we dont really know

[abstract fable]

Let's be real, shared spaces was just created as another path for IAP. I've never had anyone in the game acknowledging shared spaces are a thing except when they bought IAP to decorate it

[spark lance]

4 years is less time than it took for Sky to be made. The underwater season I think is a big stepping stone gameplay wise. Iap is not the only thing they’ve accomplished, not by a long shot

[shadow stratus]

Yes, shared spaces were made only for IAP! That If you ignore the fact that the season they were introduced also added 6+ props to the game all at once

[spark lance]

I think it’s opposite? People that like share spaces are more likely to buy iap to decorate it

[snow jetty]

Wait I totally forgot that was a thing they said they would do. Was there ever a given reason why they stopped?

[jade arrow]

So we need transparency~

[cursive tinsel]

True shared spaces aren't used near me
I hoped shared spaces were a stepping stone to user-created levels, puzzles or races that you could share in game and challenges others to...
A long way off that though

Back on topic though, days of mischief staff spirits, ridable krill and new spells are a good step if only you could work together to build something in game over 2 weeks

[abstract fable]

I thought so too. Was so excited for the hop prop. Then I can't even put more than 1 and friends couldn't even interact with it

[cobalt jacinth]

To be fair, the servers are up about 98-99% of the time. I agree it could be better (still saying it while from Europe I have great experience with servers) but I or you don't know what contract or decisions bound them to Amazon hosting services and I'm sure server hosting costs hundreds of thousands of dollars for keeping millions of players online. The deeper issue is that your message makes me feel it tries to make the attitude towards TGC perosnal because you don't like choices which believe me, doesn't make you happier and doesn't make the discussion constructive at all.

[spark lance]

Imo probably bc many ppl complain they were "lazy" in designing the prop on skykids back. Ppl always commented how bad the backpack look.
Plus maybe it made ppl hv to CR extra not only for the TS items but also the prop

[spark lance]

[tawdry pebble]

Monday is coming, so excited both for TS hints in genchat and new update in beta one

[spark lance]

That backpack was annoying though let’s be honest

[tawdry pebble]

Not really, but there will be one in #beta-announcements. I just don’t know if those upcoming changes are applied immediately after being announced or not.

[spark lance]

Where May I find cat hair pics

[spark lance]

in #beta-screenshots-videos

[zinc gate]

or just youtube in general ))

[south sphinx]

do we have an estimated price of cat prop and cat bundle?

[abstract fable]

It isn't personal. Any reference I made about my experience in sky was just for context. My attitude towards tgc is my opinion, especially when next to other games

[lunar zealot]

i'd estimate, perhaps $5 for prop, and $15 for bundle. though we won't really know until it does hit live servers. altho the price points above are my wishes for them

[blissful wing]

my estimate would be $7 for prop and 20$ for bundle
way overpriced imo

[dull venture]

👏🏾

[inland hearth]

#beta-screenshots-videos message

[peak loom]

How's the cat hair situation going on? Any updates?

[fallow dirge]

Same situation

[mortal oxide]

take a look in #beta-announcements ktjin posted some massage about it

[vestal crow]

they might do something maybe? they mentioned it in the updates channel

[remote flame]

hey guys what do you think about the mischief cat? i kinda think getting thrown by it is fun and all but i do wish there was a way to prevent it from being used to get in players way because of that function.

[high lion]

Who will be the ts?

[primal flame]

i think they should code it so the cat cant throw people with an instrument in use

[hallow igloo]

They pointed out in the update notes that they're planning on making it less intrusive in a more consensual manner. So probably you'll have to click an icon above it before it throws you in the future

[remote flame]

i hope so, i would be sad if they removed the feature altogether though it was incredibly frustrating that people were intentionally putting it in the way because of that

[cobalt jacinth]

In live it will be announced in #news around Tuesday in TGC time. In beta no one knows, nothing such is announced in advance

[dull forge]

Disappointed with the game, I won't pay any more money in the game

[wraith dust]

Guys, how can I become a tester? I've been waiting for it for a long time, but it's never my turn

[gilded parrot]

📱iOS/Android: Learn about the sign-up process and how to get notified when invites happen in #beta-faq!
Switch: The Switch Beta testing period has ended with Live launch. All future content testing will be conducted on Mobile only.

[hard pivot]

same think

[hushed grove]

helloooo looks like it finally calmed down, I suppose?

[hallow igloo]

The passion and concern is still there, but at least the staff have announced that we've been heard and they will respond soon. Always helpful to continue voicing your concerns though

[hushed grove]

haha, true

[spark lance]

Yall think they gonna bring the hair back?!

[glass spoke]

no idea, just hoping

[misty star]

Hopefully, but I can see them saying ‘We’ve considered this situation in great depth, but…’

[spark lance]

I swear if they do say that I'm gonna be super mad, since feedbacks are supposed to be our opinion and choice as well, there were literally almost all the beta users giving feedback about bringing the cat hair back

[viscid sundial]

Isn't the cat hair still available

[spark lance]

I mean it’s not just about the cat hair, but generally TGC’s monetary habits

[bright temple]

Yippee! I hope that this all ends well for everyone

[spark lance]

I can literally feel my gut saying that they will keep it a IAP item just because they are too lazy to make a better cat cape design and because we will buy the pack only for the hair since the cat mask isn't as good

[spark lance]

I feel like if the cat hair didn’t change from 66 candles, none of this would be brought up

[spark lance]

I mean, I don’t disagree. But I feel like the major backlash would have happened eventually either way

The cat hair was certainly the catalyst but the whole thing was building up

[spark lance]

Yeah maybe. I guess I only hear all the “this has been building up” whenever something disagreeable happens

[abstract roost]

Guys have a nice day and always be happy never make negative thoughts take control of you I know tgc is going to fix everything and that’s faith

[spark lance]

Well typically that really is the only time it’s brought up, when something happens that makes players upset

If people have been saying it’s been building up for a long time now, then it probably has

Personally I started to see the first sign of major disappointment way back when days of rainbow cosmetics were introduced for the first time, but I’m sure there was been some annoyance at TGC since before then. Personally I mark that spot as one major event

[upbeat furnace]

I hope they do change the cat hair back to igc and then going forward lower the iap prices and make it easier to get candles/ hearts

[spark lance]

Tbh I lost hope since they announced that it's an IAP, I don't think it will be an IGC item.

So don't get your hope really high bc it might shatter and the whole drama gonna start all over again 🙃

[spark lance]

I can see them addressing IAP prices but I’m unsure about candles and hearts… the candle system already got revamped a year or two ago? And it seems that despite being better overall, it hasn’t made everyone very happy yet

So idk tbh

[spark lance]

Personal build up and annoyance I can get behind, but I super don’t trust people telling me a good overview of what’s actually happened, not happened etc. Most of the time when I look back, there is more of a back and forth than people ever say.

[upbeat furnace]

The candle/ hearts thing is just me hoping that the game will become less grindy in the future because I am so burnt out from sky atm

[eager compass]

Exactly... and with big competitors (like genshin) why should we invest our time in sky when 1. We are burnt out from the grindiness 2. Sky devs tease us with items before making it IAP etc? 3. We can play other games and get MORE rewards for our time invested in it?
🙁 that's why I'll never spend a dime here. Shady stuff.

[spark lance]

I’m not sure if that first comment is directed towards me or not, but would like to clarify that I was not trying to be rude or anything

There obviously is going to be a back and forth between differing opinions on prices but overall, the constant negative feedback indicates that a decent enough portion of the playerbase is not satisfied with TGC and it’s been happening for a while, that’s really all I meant to convey

[safe dirge]

sorry for the ping, hope you dont mind

I just wanted to added on— i think the first time the community has gotten really upset about iap prices was in 2019 during the first days of mischief. the bat cape was originally $20 (the price bas been lowered i think? i never bought the cape so idk)

so, yeah, this has been building up for awhile

edit; i might be thinking of something else, i do remember tgc lowering the price on a days of mischief item in the past

[spark lance]

No not at all, you haven’t been rude - sorry if I made it seem that way.

I agree with the dissatisfaction of TGC oversell, it’s the accusations, lack of understanding both sides, and intensity level that I can never be on board with

[ancient saddle]

Sky has literally became a farming simulator, they just have to lower the price and make expensive igc items actually worth it (also lego eda is so slay /hj)

[kind nest]

Alright chat. I came back after a day. Am I still allowed to be mad?

[spark lance]

Oh, that I can’t understand. Some comments seem inflammatory at best or conspiracy at worse. While TGC’s communication with players can be a bit hit or miss at times, I think that some people were going overboard

I was keeping in eye on the feedback channel and got a glimpse of some really nasty comments or personal attacks being made, which is pretty bad. Game development is often a game of communications and misfires especially with companies as big as TGC and while that’s not an excuse for their overselling or lack of communication, it would at least give an explanation that is grounded in reality and not like… full on conspiracy

I mean let’s be honest, lots of passive aggressive comments were being made at other players for no reason... it got quite toxic?? I don’t know why ppl need to direct that anger at fellow players but it was really annoying to see

[kind nest]

This is why I left for a day some ppl were doing personal attacks not only at tgc but also ppl who were talking about their opinion with criticism against tgc really rude. It is not okay to make personal attacks against anybody (like calling names ect)

[spark lance]

i guess people really start attacking other players when they get a thought that their opinion in other players opinion is not appreciated
classic ex. when you criticize one decision, people start to say you should stop your criticism

[rugged kayak]

like i said before i left the other day, people were letting their anger get the best of them

i do think tgc should be criticized and called out for this. but individual devs being attacked? people being threatened? fellow players being insulted? that ain't it at all. i get it was heated, but that's still no excuse to be attacking others, especially at an individual level

[spark lance]

Some ppl even using this heated time to say mischief cat is promoting cat abuse.
Idk if they're actually cat expert but that's a whole other level of trying to make ppl even more hateful towards this event.

[spark lance]

I think the 5 min cooldown kinda ironically made it worse bc people couldn’t react all at once and just let all their emotions out on one post after sitting on it bottled up for 5 min lol

[spark lance]

a cat what???????
lmao
the thing i saw that players used cat to annoy other players aka yeeeeting them

[rugged kayak]

i... can get it, but i do think that's a bit of a stretch.

it's common for angry black cats to be associated with halloween.
everything in days of mischief is just meant to be silly and cartoony, and is imo nowhere near the extreme of black cats = bad luck and just generally bad All the time, which causes black cats to actually be abused and worse irl.

tgc purposely promoting that sort of thing? yeah i dont think so. i say this as an angry cat owner myself, whom i love to bits

[spark lance]

Um that’s not even a stretch that’s like… extreme mental gymnastic on par with the Olympics 😭

[upbeat furnace]

Thanks for noticing Lego eda! For about 2 weeks straight I cr’d the whole game daily and I got soo burnt out after that! Even doing daily quests is still too much atm, I swear they need to bring the prices down or I’m just going to quit for the sake of my mental health. Which is a shame because I’ve made some wonderful friends on sky

[spark lance]

Personally i quit Cr after I reached a decent candle amount and only get candles from spots I do dailies in… I rarely buy TS or event items bc of the price tho lol. It kind of helps with my burnout but I think I might take a long break with aurora after I get maybe an item or two… the grind is too much for my schedule 😭

I get like maybe 1-4 a day depending on the realm but it’s better than nothing.. sometimes I do events like geyser if I run into it tho

[upbeat furnace]

I personally feel I got a bit passive aggressive to other players which I apologise for, things got really heated and I and some others directed our anger at the wrong people, although I would never personally attack a player or a dev, that’s just low.

Yeah I agree with your latest post, although I don’t feel like I comfortably have enough candles to stop yet 😮‍💨

[ancient saddle]

On my first weeks in the game I would literally memorize and get every single piece of wax on every realm, not joking, I played about 3-4 hours a day just to get arround 20 candles which I can easily get now just with timed events like grandma 😭

[spark lance]

Same tbh even I got a bit heated 😭

I personally want to eventually quit cosmetic collecting I think I have enough already to make unique outfits.. there’s only like a couple TS I want and they never come so..

[solemn pawn]

I'm still waiting on 8 spirits

[upbeat furnace]

I did literally that, I still know where all the wax in isle, prairie, forest (bar flight paths) and vault is 😭

@spark lance I’ve made a list of cosmetics I want (most are from events) and am trying to keep to just getting those

[ancient saddle]

I just need yeti horns and umbrella, nothing more 😔

[spark lance]

Omg I used to have a list until I gave up or got most of what I wanted. I only want like 3 now and unless they all come in a row I think I’ll be ok…

CR is a permanent burnout for me :(

I only want boogie pants, Fox mask, and maybe the guitar off the top of my head??

[upbeat furnace]

I have a list of 23 cosmetics I want. A lot of them are event iap so I’m saving up for them over the year, my plan is to get event cosmetics, and ts cosmetics when they come, and then focus on base game spirits.
Unfortunately I just missed scolding students cape 😭

Anyway, it’s been nice chatting but I have to go to sneep now

[gilded parrot]

Calculating the needed amount of sneep snorp for #beta-discussion...

[radiant drum]

@ancient saddle mentions of hacking is not allowed. You can discuss the about the Beta program itself here, but please keep all mentions of illegitimate activity out of it

[warm carbon]

Has anyone else experienced crashing when doing the flying sequence into afterlife ? Im about to make a report on it

[ancient saddle]

Okay, I apologize

[radiant drum]

It's alright

[lunar zealot]

Mirian, I have a question; do (in this case) YouTube links go into the beta screenshot channel if they’re recorded beta content that’s too huge for discord?

[warm carbon]

that one moment when youre stuck in eden afterlife flying scene because it keeps crashing

[radiant drum]

Yeah, that's fine. We do ask for people to hold off on purely promotional Sky content until it can be posted in #promote-your-sky-content, but it's okay to share a link to a video if it's is too big (over 100MB) to be shared in the channels

In general my advice would be to try and trim/compress it so it's under 100MB if you can though, since there are no embeds enabled. Just so it's easier for others to see your video without having to open a link

[lunar zealot]

I see. Thank you

[chilly zenith]

there are still some ppl saying that the reactions being taken away and the cooldown being extended was to silence the criticism when i really dont believe that was it at all

[flat willow]

Yeah i dont get that either its just typical discord, someone even asked "how do i turn off the cooldown" at some point, it was funny

[radiant drum]

If mods or TGC wanted to stop discussions, we would’ve closed the channel or even let it catch on fire and descend into madness. By keeping the cooldown a little high and no reactions, it gives people the opportunity to write out their thoughts, be heard and hear others when there are many people active here. I know it can be frustrating too, but it’s a temporary measure to ensure things are under control

[tropic orbit]

i do think it was perfectly reasonable to turn off reactions here, especially when things were getting heated, and if the cooldowns were lower people wouldn’t be able to see all the messages

[chilly zenith]

yes, and you can still criticize the game or share your opinion on something in general even with a 10 minute cooldown. raising cooldown is a very normal thing in discord servers.. it’s not like it was abuse of power

[rocky nest]

the thing is if we turn on reactions and people decide to be rude today it'll look like

but idk I've heard people only used them to up their messages till one person started using swear words

[chilly zenith]

yeah that definitely was not the only thing that was happening 😨
i feel like reactions should stay off for a little while especially after what happened

[hushed grove]

wait someone was actually using swear words?

[drowsy barn]

I saw someone say people were using the middle finger emote

[hushed grove]

shocking

[fringe osprey]

You know, I think it would be a great idea if tgc decides to keep the hair as an iap if they could put the hair by itself Without the other 2 cosmetics so that it would be cheaper. (Of course I would still prefer it to be igc but if it doesn't, I think this would be the best way)

[slow spear]

It's no longer possible to put tables and other props in mid-air.

[winter cape]

I was also thinking that since it’s not worth buying the cape + Hair in one pack since there exist many other combinations with the hair other than the fur cape

[copper salmon]

I have all of those I can do an outfit request for you if you want

[untold goblet]

Anyone else think the whole cat set is reminiscent of cat noir?

[dusk geyser]

THATS WHO THE HAIR HAS BEEN REMINDING ME OF I COULDNT PLACE IT

[halcyon quail]

It will be reminiscent of any fictional catperson

[fringe osprey]

For sure. In my opinion, I think the cape and prop is cute but I could really care less about them. I mainly want the hair so I would willingly spend money for just the hair. Not have to spend 30$ on 2 things ill probably never used.
I also had a thought to myself that the prop might not be a good idea. Some players may use it to mess with afk players

[ashen tusk]

the cat hair makes me think of yohio if they had cat ears

[still mauve]

Chibi fall is now a feature of sky so I don't think they'd remove that

[winter cape]

lmao if they have the money for it. Well most players are adults who can afford it and don’t think that adults feel childish enough to make someone else have a bad day. But u have a good point, I don’t want to spend this much money for smth I don’t even want partially but since tgc received enough criticism about it they will rethink it as said in #beta-announcements

[rugged kayak]

they got rid of putting tables in the air !? 😭
it feels like a bug of a bug since, at least at home, when you try to put a table in the air it goes straight to the spawn point, but still... i hope they don't get rid of it

[still mauve]

70% of their community is underage/ kids and making the item IAP and cheaper wouldn't look good for those who have no way to pay for it

[shy warren]

Please guys don’t forget about of the new and only seasonal instrument unfortunately being IAP purchase!

[winter cape]

That’s certainly true- I’m also questioning the fact for why we never get compensations from issues or bugs, either way I just hope that tgc and the community will find a solution in the future to make F2Pand tgc go hand in hand a happy way

[still mauve]

lmao see how they're fixing bugs and glitches that are ENJOYABLE for the community but don't fix the ones that are troubling the community that have been there for a long time

[visual elm]

o(╥﹏╥)o

[sage linden]

A daily reward system would also be more than welcome
A lot of other games give free stuff to the players all the time, I don't know why tgc never does it, especially when the game is not really competitive

[winter cape]

Tbh… the prop “bug”, spiral and glitching thru walls were. So.Much.Fun. But I just get sad by the fact that it gets harder and harder to cr in a “speedrun” way, and u completely right with this point. I’m a speedrunner and always need to find new ways to trick the system to make it easier to get csndles, and it is sometimes fun but how come they only let “chibi” fall stay or the rocket thing. Glitches like walking slower when u hold a candle at max height won’t get fixed or occasional crashes

[zinc gate]

yeah

[still mauve]

Chibi fall is a feature right now and sky knew about chibi fall long ago , the slow walking at max height is so damn annoying it's slowing down the speed run

[latent verge]

PETITION TO MAKE THE CAT HAIR IGC SOBS. AM TOO BROKE TO BUY THE CUTE ITEMS EVERYTIME

[brazen gorge]

I’d bet that this is the exact reason they’re making bank. I can’t think of a lot of adults that pay for IAPs. Idk I can’t say much on the matter but I’d bet more kids spend money on IAPs than adults

[still mauve]

yeah it's sad they only think of the 30% who can afford to pay , honestly I don't agree with the hair staying IAP but cheaper leaving us with a downgraded mask.

The adult category has grown these past years and months that now underage players aren't taken into consideration, I wish we could have one item added into an event every new year but it better be free cuz what's the point of going to the event when you already have everything from the tree it just ruins the whole event

[winter cape]

facts 👏

[brazen gorge]

I’m curious where you got the 30% and 70% numbers. Not trying to argue, but I would have guessed the opposite.

[still mauve]

oh no no it's just pretty clear that this game is made for underage/ kids ( not saying adults can't play or isn't made for ) and I got the percentages out by seeing how many players have pointed out their age ( not specifically just them saying they're underage and not being able to afford ) while the majority talks about that if they make it cheaper they could buy it , I don't have anything personal with anyone it's just how it seems to me It's not that you have to agree of course

[visual elm]

معيه لكم خبر

[brazen gorge]

okay thanks for the clarity! I’d love to know who their main audience is right now, but I guess it will never be revealed haha

[radiant drum]

Please keep all messages in English, unfortunately we can't support other languages here

[latent verge]

When will tgc ever realize their games are played by minors plus the price for the iap are expensive

[robust dust]

“ Sky doesn’t deserve the community it has, you are all cute and soft. Sometimes that’s a strength, sometimes a flow. I’m so disappointed about the pricing issue and the fact that Sky is >3 years old and is still an incomplete game that only gains cosmetics instead of improvements, optimizations, and lore”

[visual elm]

Good

[ashen tusk]

It's definitely for copyright reasons but also remember to use #beta-season-test-chat for aurora discussions

Thanks skybot

[gilded parrot]

Quick reminder!

Use this channel discuss Days of Mischief or other Beta-related topics! This keeps discussions organized in this testing phase.
For Season of AURORA chatter, head to #beta-season-test-chat
💭 Continue to send your feedback in #beta-feedback! This chat isn't a replacement for that.

[patent skiff]

where is this quote from ?

[meager crow]

Sometimes I feel embarrassed when my friends say why I still play this game 🤡🫡💔

[visual elm]

Unfortunately, there are many who do not have the money to buy things

[spark lance]

Sometimes people forget that ||most players are still students and can't pay for a game||

[meager crow]

True 🥲

[visual elm]

[prime jasper]

I’ll admit the truth! I will openly say I still play this game to look all pretty and have fun flying around! I wish to return to fairy! I will heal my inner child!

[meager crow]

[brave rock]

Anxiety soother, I like monotony and routine since it's predictable and turns my brain off for a time. Get a little panicky when I think the game might shut down one day, but for what it is, I really love this game for being there to help myself and others. You don't gotta be embarrassed for playing it

[river socket]

how is the beta people doin

[blissful adder]

Same here 🤝 it's simple and relaxing, and the multi platform means i can wind down just about anywhere

[hasty pendant]

Pretty good thanks, and you?

[echo mason]

Still continue the days of mischief items 👹👹

[river socket]

im doing alr, thank you for asking

so what's the topic

[tiny tinsel]

it’s a pretty relaxing game that helps relieve the stress of my job/daily life once i stopped worrying about collecting cosmetics and just focused on having fun and playing instruments :3

[hasty pendant]

It seems to be a bit mixed atm

And I absolutely agree with that fox! It's the mindset I adopted after my 6 month break gave me some perspective

Ren it looks like we're taking about why we play sky

[sharp ice]

may i know what you guys are talking about now?

[spark lance]

[visual elm]

About the money that no one has to buy in Sky

[limber ember]

is it still going

oh

[prime jasper]

[flat willow]

sauce? 👀

[hasty pendant]

What? I don't remember hearing that

[whole smelt]

whether or not that’s true, i mean isn’t it? it’s not a necessary thing we need to live? like any other game sky is a luxury, it’s not like we made the game ourselves right? it’s just a nice thing to have in our lives

[narrow current]

Unless You have a source im sure that dev said playing beta was.

[sharp ice]

i guess so-

[flat willow]

Actually you've just remembered me of this 3 hour long discourse we had in art class in how at the end of the day art of any kind is a commodity and by extension a luxury, and how it applied to different types of art, we didnt touch on games but it kinda applies

[limber ember]

playing beta is luxury? 💀 i kid u not those kid out there can easily penetrate the beta server if they wish 💀

[whole smelt]

interesting to think about …

[narrow current]

" Oh is it still going? 🤓 "
Just read the chat. Lol respectfully though of course, these types of message just contribute nothing to the chat.

[flat willow]

I mean beta is a luxury in the sense that theoretically we get to communicate more closely to the devs about future builds of the game, in a way shaping the game as a whole

[limber ember]

contribute nothing? I guess, since you can't wake up someone who's faking sleep, it's easy to not hear anything on the internet, just close mobile data or pull the internet cord or turn off wifi, it's easy for TGC as a whole to wait until the things we don't desire to get into Live. How depressing

if a friendly asking the situation triggers so much then why bother starting one

[hasty pendant]

I suppose I never thought of Sky as a luxury, but it kind of is the more I think about it. There are so many that don't have a device to play on, or who are in situations where they have to put all their focus on the dangerous situation they're in and therefore couldn't play either

[narrow current]

Still albeit true, the luxury goes both ways as we beta test this game for them entirely for free. Which makes us not entitled to certain things but we testers deserve the respect of being heard which we are most times... and some we arent ( marshmellow prop )

Tbh its kinda frustrating most times we are adressed with sass whenever we are displeased with tgc actions instead of understandment, we are testers for this game after all even if it is a "luxury"

[flat willow]

I dont wanna poke into you two's convo innecessarily but you're not the first person to ask such question, and most of the time comments like these have been done its usually through condescension and annoyance, so some people (myself included) find them obnoxious, even if you didnt intend it in this way

[distant nacelle]

sky knows about us being mad about the cat hair being a iap! look in beta updates 😄

[hasty pendant]

Totally agree

[narrow current]

This sums up what i was going to respond, no offense to Deso ofc. Its just most times as jun said, when ppl ask that question it comes from a place of condescension

Apologies to @limber ember regardless!

[tiny tinsel]

luxury = not necessary to living and functioning is probably what they meant. i’ve seen devs advocate verbally here for prioritizing school, work, family, etc. instead of sky. sky is a luxury - in the sense that it’s not a necessity

[limber ember]

yes i did not intend it being annoying even if it looks like it does on the outside, just common mistake of writing first without reading previous messages above,

sorry @narrow current

[flat willow]

But theres a point to be made that art, in a way enriches your life and makes it a more pleasant one, though not necessary it is a good bonus to have and not completely useless (as some people believe)

[river socket]

exactly, all grind and time you spend in this game is 100% optional, you are not forced and if you feel you're forced then thats your own mind convincing you to spend more time into something

you are in control and should not stress over sky grind

[narrow current]

I think its about time beta event chat gets reactions back! Hehe we are calm

[tiny tinsel]

i do genuinely believe this is true - i can’t imagine humanity surviving without art, and video games are art. but not everyone has access to art all the time unfortunately. is playing it enjoyable ? yes. it’s nice to have sky.
should it be what you live for, spend all your time on, or lose sleep over? definitely not

[hasty pendant]

Absolutely I second

[flat willow]

I agree! But nevertheless we should strive to make sky (and art in general) the best shape it can be even if its subjective Thats why i want the trust between tgc and the communtiy to be restored 🥴

also im going for snacks i might not answer in a while

[spice zodiac]

if i may while i do believe this is true i also believe this is what gets a lot of players to feel overwhelmed by a game that's meant to be relaxing and pushed to quit out of guilt from missing out on so much, from what i've noticed in my own circles at least, noone SHOULD feel forced to grind this game, but the fact is many do and while it's best for them to prioritize their mental health it's also what's been decimating my friendlist lmao

[limber ember]

beta is not luxury, personally I'd say it is privilege, you get first hand experience of the newest features will be added to the game, optimal respect from other players since being beta is a way of contribution, while you can still experience the beta game like in live version if you wish.

[narrow current]

Agreed, i feel ever since shattering testing ( and tbh a bit before ) there has been a great shift when it comes to communication and clarity. Sure tgc probably has their reasons and its not malicious intent. But these traits themselves are impprtant to keep so that both community and devs can have a trust that stops situations like people threatening review bombs over a hair from happening

[tiny tinsel]

oh yeah FOMO is a huge issue with any game that has any sort of grind for currency gameplay or IAP and limited time items. that’s not exactly TGC’s fault though. they’re a company at the end of the day and need to make an income to keep producing the game, it’s our responsibility to not let FOMO get the best of us and control our emotions hehe

[river socket]

well my message got deleted and idk why lmao

[spice zodiac]

yeah! this only does become an issue when the playerbase starts lacking, idek where that's at tho but it's still worth pointing out

[flat willow]

FOMO is a marketing tactic used commonly in games, gacha comes to mind, yet the FOMO i've seen in this community compared to, per example genshin is through the roof, i believe that if they mitigated the FOMO by changing some of the systems that are in the game, it should still be marketable. Heres an img from a convention where Jenova discussed how they planned to market their game, and to me it feels like they've slowly steered from that vision (to my perspective)
#beta-screenshots-videos message

[narrow current]

Personally, in my own perspective when i comes to fomo, what would happen with ults after a long time of them being release shouldve been disclosed from the beggining ( or not disclosed ) because the devs just state sometimes something along the lines of " we want to bring them back but we dont know how yet "
When in the first place if they didnt say anything or actually had a good answer regarding them, the whole topic would be less controversial or atleast better understood

And regarding the IAPS things like the days of rainbow single flower not coming back should be disclosed during said events, because if they dont. Who knows what iap you skip and it doesn't come back next year or the next? Which would make anybody who fears such occurrences overspend, which is their problem maybe but it can be avoided

[tiny tinsel]

oh wow. i definitely agree with you on that. regardless of their intentions it’s slowly fallen into the same systems and player mindsets of other gacha games or item-earning based games. number go up = satisfaction lol
adding on: there’s nothing wrong with marketing a game style thats shown to be successful like this i just wish they were a bit more honest with themselves and us on how FOMO has become the driving force of everything their players do .

it’s ok to not be uwu wholesome all the time in their responses to our discussions lol. purity is definitely not a word i’d choose to describe sky’s cosmetic and currency systems

[vague pecan]

I’m a bit bummed out that I’ve farmed so many candles in prep for days of mischief and there isn’t going to be anything exciting to buy with in-game currency. 😩

[patent skiff]

same, I got all the items from last year so all I see is just that mask 💀

[flat willow]

This is one of the reasons that i think contributes to FOMO too, sometimes its kind of difficult to tell if an item will even be returning, the flower from the chartity event? some assumed it would be gone forever, others expected it to be returning, but in the end they ended up selling pins of it? Its these misshaps in communication that make the situation worse in my opinion Also even for items that we know will be returning like seasonal cosmetics through TS, theres still an uncertainty since it could be the next TS, or it could take 2 years for the TS you want to come back, adding onto the "now or never" mentality

[tiny tinsel]

how i sleep knowing it’s not the end of the world if i miss a ts ->

[vague pecan]

Right?! I don’t grind for candles, but I’ve managed to build up hundreds of candles because there’s just nothing to buy with in-game currency. I’ve been playing for almost 3 years now so I feel disappointed whenever there’s an event and there’s only one item that’s in-game currency and the rest is IAP.

[narrow current]

Yep! Its an underlying uncertainty, thankfully for ts i don't have to worry but when it comes to iap. Who knows if double rainbow flower will return of turtle shoulder buddy or any iap by that account as there is never an official statement. You either hope for the best or accept you will never have that item

And if aurora is anything like prince it will be the same for the iaps this season for anybody who wants them

[patent skiff]

got me waiting a whole year for one new thing 😭

[flat willow]

A really dumb example is that i, personally, really want the flute, i like how it sounds and it kinda looks like a katana on you back its simply so pretty that i really like it and want it. I waited for the flute for almost a year, and went on a hiatus because i got extremely burnt out from all the grinding and stuff, and the next thing you know, the damn spirit with the flute came by and i didnt even know until it was already gone... im... still waiting... 😭

[tiny tinsel]

yeah… i feel like this happens a lot. if you’re not doing a full candle run every single day you’ll never be prepared for a ts or event. especially with the prices of igc items rising lately… i hope the flute comes back soon and you’re able to get it

also; i wish we had reactions back >_<

[narrow current]

Yes! Reactions, chat is calmly waiting now for the official response regarding cat hair and we are all civil

And tbh the slowmode could be atleast 1:30 and not 2 minutes

[flat willow]

reactions would be kinda nice

[vague pecan]

See, I really wanted the flute TS to come back because the first time it came I didn’t have enough candles and hearts to complete it. So for every meditation daily quest that I had I just kept posting how I wanted the flute spirit to come back for 2 weeks and the next spirit was the flute spirit. 😂 It was really silly timing.

[viscid sundial]

Except on other social media but yes, bring back reactions

[tiny tinsel]

i’m gonna go for now but it was nice discussing with you all

[river socket]

as someone who spent months non stop grinding and earning candles i support this message a 100%

while i do understand, tgc does indeed elements that make grinding seem the only option and truth be told, ​**for many its the only thing to do​**

you have to remember, its a game, that does not mean your feelings aint important but remember that ​you​ the player decides when and how to play, dont stress over pixels, pixels are meant to be enjoyed and if they're not then reconsider your choices /positive

[tall snow]

Hello

[whole dome]

Hi

[tall snow]

Does anyone know how to report if the test server is open?

[ancient pike]

Omg thank you so much for making a post, Whirthun.

[sterile trail]

Hello.

[tall snow]

Can i help you

[sterile trail]

No.🤚

[meager crow]

[spark lance]

Tysm

[flat willow]

srry for the late reply i was munching
Then i believe it is in everyones best interest to change the current state of the game, because as of rn it does push the player to grind incessantly, always at the brink of almost achieving things. Even though i agree that the player decides when and how to play, sometimes being overwhelmed blinds players into continuously grind in hopes of achieving what they want. Of course some players have different goals in mind, but cosmetics form a part of how you can express yourself and your identity in this game, so for most it clashes deeply with the social aspect of sky, making it of extreme upmost importance, even when at the end of the day its just "pixels on a screen".

Also wanted to add that FOMO** is (in my eyes) one of the determining factors for people stessing so much

[ancient pike]

On another note we don’t have reactions but has cooldown approved?
Nope.

[gilded parrot]

I heard a rumor that the mods are secretly mantas... I don't wanna get kidnapped again!

[twin isle]

I went to react with and just....

[gilded parrot]

[tall snow]

What to do when you meet a hacker

[summer cave]

💀

[quaint anchor]

Hey guys, sorry but is it a bug or am I just to dumb to get all emotes from the aurora season?

[drifting eagle]

light them if they’ll let you, then report them in game. if they won’t let you light them, there is nothing you can do :(

[river socket]

Sorry but what is FOMA? /g

[ancient pike]

Oh yea and one of the blue pants, fairy cape, and signature hair are all Ultimates and not possible to get yet (but anyways back to Mischief)

[chilly zenith]

i think they meant FOMO

also @flat willow yeah i agree

[flat willow]

"Fear of missing out" srry for that typos are my signature 🥴

[white latch]

if they dont wanna get lit, just yeet them using the cat

[hasty pendant]

[swift yarrow]

still hoping the cat hair will be in game currency item because please that's the only item that makes me feel very happy about days of mishchief 2022 :(

[forest laurel]

!!! I hate them TGC !!!

[gilded parrot]

[quaint anchor]

Ay chill....

[white latch]

Orange baby

[urban cypress]

Same
I wasn't really planning on getting anything from the event until the cat hair was revealed for igc

[warm carbon]

Lets not be overly negative
Ur aloud to be upset but shouting stuff like “I HATE!!” Is overboard

[gilded parrot]

[flat willow]

Hatred is a strong word, for me its disapointment

[dense pagoda]

I wholeheartedly agree with this

[swift yarrow]

right😔 i was like "yay finally cool igc item"

[spark lance]

Are we going to get reactions back

[narrow current]

Agree

[quaint anchor]

How much money would the cat hair cost?

[white latch]

“I Loathe you ☕️ 🇬🇧”

[novel aspen]

Skybot is quite active today

[gilded parrot]

come back to me, @grim gyro

[flat willow]

Since its a bundle most people assume 20$ based on previous bundle prices, but its only an estimation and since they removed prices in beta we wont know until it hits live

[sand garnet]

@quaint anchor No one knows yet but since they put it in a bundle it could be pricey if it stays that way. ^_^;;

[warm carbon]

Just remember that they did make a small statement saying they recognized our complaints about it in #beta-announcements , thats a start!!
@dense pagoda Yes me too

[dense pagoda]

I'm hopeful and doubtful, all in one... Please let us have it for igc....

[spark lance]

Since its in a bundle right now 20 to top 30 USD

[wispy trench]

Carry on with the feedback and dont let it die out or else TGC won't listen like what happened last time

@fluid cobalt not at all! Sorry for the ping

[fluid cobalt]

Is it ||wrong if Im still hoping for cat hair to be igc item again||

[white latch]

If they still keep it as iap, they could just seperate the hair from the cape that would be enough idc
9$ for that hair is enough, or maybe 4.99$?

[forest laurel]

TGC = Æ

[swift yarrow]

crying for real
that's so expensive, i won't be able to get it if they sell it for 20$ or 30$

i can only afford 10$ 💀
well it's best if they separate that cat hair from the 30$/20$ IAP pack, but I still hope they'll bring it back as IGC item tho
👁️💧👄👁️ even after the betrayal

it's okay there's still time for redemption arc (?)

[flat willow]

No it isnt wrong! f2p players have been starved as of lately... looking at you camping tent for only 90 candles...

[burnt jolt]

Guys the all ap costmetics out yet? Including the ultimate reward?

[sand garnet]

With the amazing new season coming I'm planning to get passes for my friends and I, so I don't think I could justify spending $20 or more for the bundle too even though I really want the hair. ^_^;;

[warm carbon]

I just dont understand why they would charge for that particular hair when theres gonna be the Aurora collab happening at the same time, if tgc wants money they should make more items for the collab, its a perfect opportunity to leave the mischief event as igc and some cool extras from aurora as iap.
@burnt jolt No they arent

[cyan plank]

$5 for hairstyles or capes seems about the right price for me. $10 is a bit too much but if a cape is good enough it could be worth it. Anything above that, like a $20 digital umbrella is simply too much.

[burnt jolt]

Are all of the rewards out yet of season of aurora?

[wispy trench]

Hoping that TGC wont go down that path, or else the game will die out
Or either get attacked by reviewbombing

Its starting to scare me how its getting the same route as "F2P = No cool only low cost items and IAP = ong my beloved u guys get all the silly good stuff!!"

[flat willow]

If im being honest i see the season pass as a "discount bundle" type of purchase, but IAP have gotten deriliously more expensive, specially bundles since it almost feels like they put the candles on bundles to boost up the price, but thats just my perception

[weak bridge]

That's something that has never made sense to me, iap purchases are very overpriced in my opinion, let's take for exemple my favorite iap so far, the days of summer light bunny, it still costs 3€ despite being a tiny bunny, as cute as it is that is way too much, only the days of feast orange is fair in my opinion, costing just 1€

[swift yarrow]

"Days of Mishief" more like "Days of IAP$"

[kindred turtle]

anyone hoping a certain item from aurora is “free?”

[sand garnet]

Ah the Aurora IAPs too, I might really want them as well but at least there's more time to deliberate on those. ^_^;

[warm carbon]

unfortunately i highly doubt we will be able to escape aurora IAPS, Because it is a collab season 😔
@burnt jolt Theres a few ridiculous theories about it here and there about “tgc silencing us!” but i dont think thats the case, maybe a response to some people being rude? Idk..

[burnt jolt]

Ahh alright
Also why can't we react in this channel fr? That'd save loads of time.....anyone got any idea why is reacting disabled

[wispy trench]

If the cat hair becomes iap i might burn myself out making Commissions then 😓

@kindred turtle (sorry for the ping btw love the chiaki pfp) most of the pants are free!! :DD

[white latch]

I just about to start one after this cat hair thingy 😭

[hasty pendant]

Mods temporarily disabled them and increased down time because a days of mischief item was changed from igc to iap once it was popular

We're waiting on a statement from Tgc that has been announced in the beta news channel

[flat willow]

reacting is disabled because people used reactions to throw middle fingers and spell out nasty stuff

[spark lance]

people used reactions to bomb other people opinions, especially those who were disappointed about cat hair situation
i saw mod or staff saying that they removed so people won't feel too intimidated

[sand garnet]

@warm carbon Oh I know, I just mean there's more time to think about/save for them because they'll be around for the whole season. ^_^;

[swift yarrow]

the real horror of days of mischief is them IAP prices

[tulip lake]

hi beta chat how's it going

[teal spire]

@kindred turtle IAP if I'm not mistaken.

[solid mural]

😂😂😂😂very sure

[burnt jolt]

Bruh so called wholesome community of sky
Dissapointed

[warm carbon]

Its like every season the price just goes 📈
I remember when I was playing during rhythm & enchantment, i had a more fun time back then tbh 😔

[cursive prism]

Still fighting for the nyanification of moths

[kindred turtle]

are the purplish pants an iap or ap?

[lyric bridge]

What wym

[limpid pumice]

Iap.

[flat willow]

damn chat really woke up in just a sec, it was kinda chill before
Also if you wanna talk about the season of ask about it i recommend #beta-season-test-chat, here people are mostly rioting

[sand garnet]

Ah... Seeing a bunch of little brand new moffs going around in the kitty hair if it's IGC would be so cute...

[tropic bough]

Sky inflation

[wispy trench]

Here's the thing.

If TGC is gonna make the cathair exclusive then they should make a cat ear accessory (for around 15 hearts) like what they did to the abyss season Ult Mask and the F2p one and the F2P and AP exclusive Forgetful storyteller mask (from what i remember Storyteller's mask is ap exclusive)

Who agrees??

[swift yarrow]

sorry for not being wholesome
how can someone be wholesome if they're currently disappointed

[tulip lake]

moths deserves all the best

[grim gyro]

?????

[quaint anchor]

I want that cute jellyfish from sunny forest to follow me through everywhere 😞

[warm carbon]

We are disappointed because of how pricey things are getting, especially with the items that have high demand becoming IAPs

[cursive prism]

This isn't the first time this happened tho so some ppl here are not surprised already. If this war gets brushed off and sugarcoated with toxic positivity again expect another war sooner or later

@tulip lake heck yeah

[teal spire]

[burnt jolt]

All the people lost their cool when that cat hair was removed i understand the disappointment completely i don't wanna bring up that topic but the way the community reacted was saddening

@swift yarrow i understand but it was a bit rought than expected i totally understand your feelings i liked the hair myself but at the same time i was feeling sad for the Devs knowing what kinda of comments they might be getting

[chilly zenith]

yeah tgc needs to do something about the way they do things or we’re just gonna have more wars like that and eventually people will just leave altogether

[grim gyro]

WHY IS SKY BOT BEING CREEPY

[weak bridge]

If it comes to a war i'll probably just sit back and watch the community fall into chaos

[wispy trench]

Hi skybot why r you stalking people

[shadow stratus]

Pass is always 10$ across all games ever, i doubt that would be even possible lol

[spark lance]

oh god, it's already monday, I'm for 99% sure another uprising will happen if TGC will say anything today about DoM situation

[sand garnet]

As for some disappointed folks handling it a bit rudely well, the game is listed as either 9+ or 7+ or whatever it was. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those people were literally crying children. ^_^;;

[still mauve]

I mean the whole thing that angered the community was not only the cat hair but many other things that have been going on for a whole 3 years so it's kinda justified for them to act like this however insulting others isn't nice and it's a bit too far

[hasty pendant]

It is that much in my country

[teal spire]

He just likes you.

[burnt jolt]

Oh i didn't knew that this was my first time seeing this probably that's why i joined midway season of performance maybe I'll get used to it sooner or later

@quaint anchor that's the moment i leave sky forever

@still mauve yeah i just came to know this wasn't the first time then i think your reaction is justified i totally support it

[flat willow]

Yeahhh, and mostly by the type of comments alone you can kinda tell which is which My theory is that its mostly kids who are upset about the cat hair and mostly teens to adults who are upset at everything else

[white latch]

The pass used to cost 5 dollars if I remember it right

[lyric bridge]

The majority of people actually were disappointed months ago this was their breaking point as days of rainbow pants pulled a similar stunt. Summer also was kinda boring and didn't have much to offer this year for f2p players.
So seeing the cat hair get the same treatment was not okay to many people which is fair.

[spark lance]

here da doc to read if someone doesn't know what's happening

[solid mural]

They are only receiving what they deserve, I who have been playing for YEARS can say that they always do similar things and that the beta bugs go directly to the global so I would not feel bad for them.

[still mauve]

lmao the summer event was so disappointing we got a tent that's almost 100 candles which takes away like 1-2 weeks of my candle run/grinding , it's sad we got only 1 item as an igc but so many as IAP

[sand garnet]

@flat willow Yeah, I'm an adult and it's a bit of both for me, just cuz' I was particularly looking forward to the hair but I know it's not the most important thing. ^_^;

[quaint anchor]

I wonder what ALL cosmetics of sky would cost together. Everything they ever made. Any bets/suggestions?

[cursive prism]

The thing is this issue isn't even about the cat hair anymore. Stuff like this already happened and the cat hair was just the turning point of ppl having had enough with the way tgc handles stuff, SPECIALLY for compensations and being a "bit" generous to f2p players. Don't even get me started with the afk = no wax update from last yr oh my gosh.

[flat willow]

Yeah, i said at some point in this chat that i actually forget events are happening sometimes, if it wasnt for the huge sand castle at home, theres nothing for me in this event, im not willing to pay 20$ for a marshmellow stick and much less 90 candles for a tent that does... nothing...

[weak bridge]

Yeah i bought the tent for absolutely no reason and now i kinda miss my 90 candles, at least my shared space is very comfy... but nobody uses shared spaces.

[burnt jolt]

If y'all so frustrated with the game and have been trying since so long and don't see anything happening I don't see any other alternative rather than quitting the game once that happens they gotta do something we are strong we can do anytime if only all of us agrees and follows

[wispy trench]

TGC gave us a tent that does nothing at all asides from sheltering you from the rain when ur afk in forest

In return of removing the prop update

Real 💪

[still mauve]

It would have been a good use of the tent if it would hide us from krills but it's just a disappointment after all. I've been on sky for 1 year and what I have experienced in 1 year of playing is literally so hard to acknowledge it after all , I wonder how players that have played for 3 or more years feel like damn

[hasty pendant]

I think the rise in volume and cost of iaps vs igcs per event is concerning, this coming from a prophecy moth. While I can afford more expensive iaps, I can't justify the cost of them unless they're for charity tbh

I think if they capped the iap cost to $20, then more would purchase them and if they had more igc items per event, it would give players that candle run incentive to do so. Otherwise it is starting to feel less and less inclusive of a place, but hopefully that changes

[ancient pike]

Prop update?

[solid mural]

I also agree to lower the rating of the game, maybe they will do something that way and many times we have complained about unfair treatment and they never pay attention to us, I really do not see another solution to this problema.

[elfin delta]

...i like the jelly buddy (even tho i think it should've been 1-2$, not 3 )

[warm carbon]

I bet like 300$+ theyve made a lot of stuff just purely IAP

[burnt jolt]

Lower rating would do little good if you guys want something big to happen real quick y'all gotta quit the game in masses

[flat willow]

I dont believe "just stop playing" to be a good way to fix anything, people care and love this game, thats why we're so passionate about it, but the thing is, people ARE leaving this game, its just that new players come to replace them eventually. 80% of my constellation is dead, because its filled with people who were playing two years ago and most of them left because they couldnt grind anymore and it got to their mental health. The ones that are here complaining right now, are the ones who care enough to change it.

[spark lance]

2k$++++
around 1k from purely season passes (idk how many seasons we already had)
1k+ from other IAP
maybe 200$+ for IGC stuff
unless i misunderstood message 😭

[hasty pendant]

That's against the tos, you might want to delete your message and reconsider what you're contemplating. It's a bannable offence

[still mauve]

Well what would be the reason to quit ? I enjoy the game it's beautiful we're just mad at tgc that they're not giving us fair treatment.

[wispy trench]

Probably 150+ dollars based off how tgc prices the game

@ancient pike yeah it was an update from what i remember, that's what beta users said when before the prop update came out. The tent doesnt even do anything at this point and only for decor (majority of sky people dont open shared spaces unless they are from a group of people who they ask to like their sharedspace)

[cursive prism]

this is always the narrative to ppl when they complain, "why not just leave then?" But that's not how it should be 🙁 People ADORE this game that's why they point out if there's stuff that seems unfair, or if there's stuff that needs some changing. It's normal for people to complain when they see an inequality happening, the solution isn't always "to just leave" just bcus u don't want drama anymore. Then it would just be the same old cycle.

[warm carbon]

If that happened id probably be smoke coming out of my ears level angry , im tired of the same “well its a beta!” excuse, i want transparency!! Lol

[chilly zenith]

afk = no wax was the worst thing to happen imo

i have so many things to do irl and now i cant get wax after like 10 minutes i stopped caring about getting cosmetics bc of that

[ancient pike]

I also think they’re making the game less playable for newcomers. Traveling Spirits and IGC event items are stupid expensive, the Season of Shattering speaks for its own damn self, and from what I’ve seen, it’s not getting any better with the Season of AURORA.

[cursive prism]

EXACTLY THIS. We even BEGGED them here in beta to not put it in live but they still did, what's the point of having testers if u won't even listen to them in the first place. It's just so sad.

[kindred turtle]

i remember me and a friend were so excited about season of shattering, now we hardly play it anymore :(

[wispy trench]

Anyways am i the only one who wishes to be followed by a school of koi fishes

[still mauve]

Oh nah please don't tell me it's the same prices as shattering with the seasonal candles cuz that's hell

[spark lance]

The pricing of seasons has gotten ridiculous and its a complaint we've laid so many times but their solution was literally making certain cosmetics in the trees way more expensive as you climb up which doesn't even solve the main issues we have

[warm carbon]

I got so sad when i found out it had so little story and the quests were so difficult and frustrating, overall felt more like a chore than a cool seasonal experience. They had such a good opportunity to make a heart wrenching/happy ending story with season of shattering

[swift yarrow]

i really like this game, it's such a cute adventure game about friendship, and helping each other.

but now my friends have stopped playing sky, they said it's boring, and the IAPs are too expensive for them too. Even my friends who can afford expensive IAPs have already stopped playing sky too.

i still play sky until today, but i just wish TGC could give some new items that look exciting for free to play players. For example : Cat Hair 2022 Mischief Hair 😎🙏 please make it IGC again

make cat hair igc again challenge
level : hopeful

[burnt jolt]

@still mauve @cursive prism @flat willow i agree will all of you guys but you gotta take some bigger steps if smaller once don't work i understand the enthusiasm of y'all with this game but since when are you guys protesting against these kind of changes 3months?6 months? 1 year.....
I don't think it seems to work.....now I'm not saying that quit the game is the only way left but we gotta find some other way cause as far as i see current one doesn't seem to work...... I know this might be sound really selfish and rude but tgc is a company it cares about money before it's players that's the reality and if you wanna change that the current way won't work

[ancient pike]

I’ll have to look but I don’t remember it looking pretty.

Also the flying stones from S. of Shattering aren’t really a problem.

[final spire]

I hate those ancestors’ masks, especially the one for wasteland because it shouldn’t worth 500 AC candles🥹

[shadow stratus]

Nah there was so much good seasons after sanctuary

[analog sun]

unpaid beta testing too! players are doing all this free testing for the game and not even getting your feedback counted

[agile hazel]

Last good season was Performance

[kindred turtle]

agreed

[warm carbon]

Im currently skipping the entire shattering season in live bc its just so boring and frustrating and not worth it compared to previous seasons,
been buying every adventure pass since rhythm, not this time 😔

[ancient pike]

There’s no Elder Masks past the Hidden Forest.

Also the Season of Shattering is good in its own unique way, just like every other Season. Even the Season of Assembly has its redeeming upsides.

[still mauve]

We've tried every way ex:
Good way > everyone forgot about it after a while
a bit of pushing it more > getting silenced by tgc that doesn't want to change the items
If we try any other way what's that getting us ? This time we're more harsh cuz it was the last straw and we don't want to see them coming in with whatever reason to not give us ** 1 FREE IGC ITEM** It's not gonna kill them to give us one item back and making some changes about the prices after all
I don't see the point of beta testing anymore if they don't even wanna listen

[swift yarrow]

right i don't mind spending 90 candles for cat hair, in fact i've spent my 90 candles for a special tent

[wispy trench]

True!! I love Perfomance especially the harmony hall update :)

Its so silly how you can get to interact w the spirits everyday! Not time limited (looks at Stagehand, Musician and Perfomance Guide )

[flat willow]

More drastic... how? review bombing? rioting? As much as i dont agree with toxic positivity and keeping things always "positive and happy" i do not condone the other extreme either. At the end of the day its in BOTH our interests to make the game as good as it can be, yeah we've been saying it again and again, but i still have a hope in me that they dont do it out of greed and malice, and as such shouldnt resort to extremes.

[chilly zenith]

i think not buying AP would actually help lmao
this game is expensive

[warm carbon]

^^^^ true,
@slender river Discussing how pricey TGC is getting

[slender river]

uh hi so i'm not a beta regular but i just wanna know what everyone is so heated about down here? what's going on

[still mauve]

Exactly I'd gladly grind hard if it's 150-200 literally.

@quaint anchor they started to fix the bugs that player loved and enjoyed but never fixed the bugs that players hated smh

[burnt jolt]

Well if you want things to change you gotta do something otherwise suffer like this i guess

[final spire]

Okay I saw it from other spoilers. But the rainforest one is also cost 250 AC candles? If you begin with 0, could collect 15/week and don’t make any other usage, guess how long should you spend?

[brave rock]

i get so tired of review bombing becoming the new trend on every game i see come out these days.

[shadow stratus]

Reguardless people's opinion on shattering (i think its good on its own way), its factual that it has one of the best passes so far/ best free one for sure

[boreal jewel]

Does beta knows about upcoming ts too, or ts are random by tgc?

[spark lance]

That is true, seeing how Dreams was the last good balanced season

[viscid sundial]

I still think if people want to "review bomb" it shouldn't be over cat hair. There's many underlying problems that have lead up to this and have persisted for a while. F2p players being disregarded to make way for IAPs, increases in prices (both in $ and in candles, latter which leads to grinding, grinding which leads to burnout), and the toxic fomo that surrounds the focus on cosmetics in general

[fringe adder]

Wait what's the AFK = no wax thing?

[chilly wigeon]

They didn't make abzu

[dense pagoda]

The WHAT?

[still mauve]

well we are doing what we can for now if we're still not noticed idk if that's gonna be good for tgc anymore, not as a threat of course I meant that their game will lose its players

@shadow stratus it sure has free ones for sure but the prices for it are unbelievable it's too far I hope and wish that aurora isn't gonna be like the shattering ones prices.

@quaint anchor leaving sky for a while isn't a bad choice after all everyone needs their time to cool off however the company is destroying the beautiful game not the game destroying itself

[slender river]

ah, yeah, that. as a gratitude moth i have seen with my own eyes how inflated the prices have gotten, it's honestly kind of disheartening to me to see and it kills my motivation :/

[ancient pike]

I’ve had 0 problems with the Season of Shattering and it’s really not coming to me how everyone’s having problems.

@final spire There’s no masks from Sahmekh, Tsadi, or Lamed. They’re not in testing and not in Live. I get your point but still.

[quaint anchor]

The CEO of TGC worked on abzu together with Matt Nava the concept artist of journey and Austin Wintory who made the music for both games

[warm carbon]

Yes same! ☹️ Except ive been here less time, rhythm moth here

[spark lance]

something like afk timer was introduced some time ago, people protested because it's bad and if I'm not wrong it wasn't tested in beta
basically after you enter afk, 10 min (?) later you won't receive wax (ex. from wax places in forest, wasteland or vault or from candle running with friends)

[viscid sundial]

It's the AFK timer - after a while if you're inactive, say at an afk wax spot or while a friend is candle running with you, you won't get wax anymore. So you have to stay "active" in game / keep tapping your screen so your character won't go AFK. It's been a thing since last year

[still mauve]

It's an afk timer that when you stay afk for more than 10-20 minutes you will stop receiving/collecting wax

@ancient pike prices too high , lack of activity it's just us having to do the same thing for every new quest, they put in rocks that fly which makes it harder for us to get the quests done

[burnt jolt]

If one way doesn't work you gotta try different ways i guess

[analog sun]

Someone on Reddit (and they were here last night too I think) made this great doc on the matter. It doesn’t have all the grievances that I experienced but shows the main fuel that contributed to our recent anger: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JqfjQ4nJ1i48ngVVi8kOumZwaB8FidvbQDY18xt7X3g/mobilebasic

[final spire]

That’s why I said from spoilers, and I haven’t posted anything about season of shattering, so you don’t need to choose me to reply😅

Okay I got it the slow mode is annoying

[flat willow]

Theres literally no good reasoning for the AFK timer affecting you if you're holding someones hand

[dense pagoda]

That doc is really a work of art tho

[twin isle]

I'm confused, some people say they can't get the cat hair bc they got it the first round since the update? I got the cat hair when it released and still have mine.

[ancient pike]

That’s what I mean though, it wasn’t difficult to begin with and the flying rocks barely do anything.

[shadow stratus]

If you bought the bundle on update 1 and didnt bought cat hair for candles, you pretty much lost it

[boreal jewel]

Normally ppl ask in dm, tho u asking here

[analog sun]

For real i appreciate the work they put in it and is a great counter to the annoying ppl who just come here to say we're only angry about cat hair

[still mauve]

As I explained in my message before we tried every way and it failed and this time we're doing it more extreme to be noticed ( I'm not saying I support the bombing review but I would review the app myself negatively for obvious reasons pointed out by many players )

@ancient pike I don't think you get it how stressful it is for players to have to grind more seasonal candles cuz we won't get the items in times , and the quests have made me lose many winged lights with the flying rocks added of course I'm speaking from my experience

[flat willow]

This pdf was so useful for me who was in a literal hiatus during all of those occurrences... i already had my baggage from before, but reading all the things that have happened since make a new fire burn in me

[twin isle]

Oh I see now! Thank you for explaining

[final spire]

Truth, wings are easy to be lost if you do your seasonal quests on your own

[burnt jolt]

Review bombing is stupid it does little/no help in the end all the reviews will get deleted as spam under ai

[shadow stratus]

I mean you only have to do shards 6 times across all the 77 days if you just want to do the quests

[ancient pike]

No actual prices (or anything) exist for the masks though.
Anything you might’ve seen was fake.

[Reply to Jayxzv]
I mean aside from the S. Candles (yea that’s ridiculous, I can agree on that), the flying shards so far haven’t been that intrusive, and the shards in general are very easy.

[flat willow]

Also friendly reminder two years ago 90 candles was a ridiculous price for ANYTHING, but since igc items prices have been upping, its seem as normal nowadays... 👀

[dense pagoda]

Yep, it really brings to light all of the... well I'm gonna call 'em "controversies". Also it's just so nicely put together, like so professional

[still mauve]

Yeah true but as I said I'd do it from my personal reasons and my experience from sky not cuz it's a bombing thing , I agree they could delete them but their ratings would still go down

[chilly zenith]

the only two shard quests that i thought were difficult in live were the shards at granny’s treehouse and today’s quest

[cursive prism]

This IS what they're doing, u think people aren't doing anything just bcus u don't agree with them complaining? Consumers complaining is normal if the company who handles the game is being incompetent. U don't have to agree with their complaints, as you've said you just also played sky this year. So it's understandable you'll be siding with tgc on this. And also, there is NO other way to try to get our complaints thru them rather than just complaining here and settling on a middle ground. They DID listen on the issue from last yr of season of TLP but a 200 reg candle prince pants is WAY better than a 20$ prince pants that would be rotting in ur wardrobe for yrs

@viscid sundial fr, wouldn't be surprised if they do change the cat hair from iap to igc but it would be like a hundred or so candles (IF they do change it)

[viscid sundial]

The 200c price also had its own problems as well though

[rough falcon]

People tend to forget that companies are not your friend. they are the company and we are the consumer. We have every right to complain if we don't like what is happening with the product.

[boreal jewel]

So i just did coz I wanted to say that leaving isn't choice we can always give feedbacks and we can request tgc, staff will see it, like they already updated it that they will look it about, and it's still august, it's time for days to come

I couldn't said u in dm, it said I can't send msgs @quaint anchor

But nvm ignore it

Edit P.S: and there's the cool down here

[spark lance]

yeah companies are not friends and we're not their mother theresa alike donors

[final spire]

Yea it might be, but the one costs 250 in rainforest is truth, I just wanna express I’m not satisfied with the AC candles it needs on those masks, pls don’t put my point away from it😅

[analog sun]

TGC treating us like pack mules 😭 just piling more baggage on with each season

I gave up beta testing a long time ago cause it was such a time sink with no reward i feel so bad that testers are still dismissed to this day

[still mauve]

This is so true at the granny thing there were like 4 crabs ganging up on me while I was trying to do the quest unfortunately I lost wl cuz of them

[celest zodiac]

Guys the cat backpack becomes something for a prank ,someone puts a cat near the closet when a player is about to change clothes and it's really annoying

[chilly zenith]

i counted about 16 red crabs there. it probably wasn’teven sixteen but they were just THAT aggressive 😭

[swift yarrow]

$10 cat hair
or
60 / 90+ candles cat hair

😔🤲 if 10$ maybe i can buy it
but c'mon tgc, give us cat hair as in game currency itemm!

[ancient pike]

I said I got your point though?

[shadow stratus]

A lot of people ended up paying way more than 20$ on the pants because 200 is too much for a lot of people

[keen arch]

I love do that lmao

[flat willow]

Ive heard that they're gonna change it to a more consent based system or smth like that as to stop people from trolling like this

[final spire]

Yea that’s true but how couldn’t we try to get more AC candles through the daily quests instead of crawing in eden🥹

[still mauve]

it's true I think they should do some changes on when not making the cat so harmful.

@keen arch some players don't find it funny/nice they could actually report you

[quaint anchor]

I wish you all a good night. It's half past 2 am and I'm logging off for tonight 🌻

[boreal jewel]

Lol it's fine, I won't take it as wrong way, I know there are scammers in discord too. Its alright

[celest zodiac]

it is fun to play it to your friend but for all strangers it is really disturbing

[analog sun]

forreal i got called mean for acting like a consumer and changing my 5 star store review to 1 star to reflect my long time grievances and telling my vet friends to do the same lmao

[shadow stratus]

If its just for the ascended candles it makes sense to be easy to lose wings, high risk high reward

[swift yarrow]

i think changing cat hair back to igc won't hurt

[rough falcon]

I don't know why people continue to defend tgc. They're not gonna give you free candles for defending them. They can't even compensate us for their bad server errors.

[slender river]

yeah i've just read the doc and agree wholeheartedly. i had no idea the beta testers were being treated poorly and i feel bad for them :( ive also noticed the quality of sky seemingly going downhill, with a high focus on cosmetics and events rather than the game itself. it's truly very saddening to watch the community lose their interest as ive been here so long :(

[still mauve]

It's a difference when you do it cuz of your personal reasons and influencing others to do it too I hope they did it cuz they also had something they didn't like about it and not because they we're influenced

[final spire]

So you don’t need to insist on whether it’s fake or not, at least now no one cares about it.

@shadow stratus Okay I partly agree now🤣

[dense pagoda]

It for sure won't hurt them to to that, the only thing it might hurt is their pride smh
That's kinda what I'm most scared of in this situation

[flat willow]

even if they change the hair back to igc i wouldnt be satisfied anymore if im honest

[cursive prism]

Ahh yes, the ✨human pride✨

@royal vapor quite both hope is still there tho... I think

[royal vapor]

Are we still burning or tired about them now?

[celest zodiac]

Really? Glad to know that, I will send the feedback as well

[spark lance]

purse tho? with hair they would do easily 40$ bundle
and without just 20$

[still mauve]

It's understandable but if they set it so igc again they better not degrade it like cat mask even tho it's not fully done

[keen arch]

Ahh thats so cool sad that ppl don't like that

[final spire]

But still hope to change it back to igc, my friend doesn’t wanna spend money on games or let me send him as a gift, but I really wanna touch his cat hair 🥹

[analog sun]

exactlyyyyyy they dont even give us free candles as compensation for their planned and emergency maintenance so like why the bootlicking ??

@still mauve yes they shared the same grievances were all vets who all started during season of sanc AND they're beta testers too

[royal vapor]

I didn't realize they hurt players more times than I remember before read this🤣How I made the choice to forgive and continue to support

Even NetEase occasionally offers free candles and hearts.🤣

[dense pagoda]

Oh yeah, yeah right... Guys what are we doing they have to buy food and be able to pay rent somehow

@cursive prism Well the ego is a very fragile thing, especially with people higher up

[spark lance]

This Document should Be 📌

[keen arch]

I rlly like the cat bag i would totally buy it
Unfortunately i need to sell half of my soul to have a single item 🤠

[dense pagoda]

Ay, I'm gonna pay you that 9.99$ for ONLY ¼ of your soul, we got a deal?

[final spire]

Same. I paid nearly all the IAPs and all the seasonal passes since I joined in , but now I’m hesitating shall I buy the cat hair or not, it’s cute though, but I’m a bit feel like a 🤡 if I PAY for it

[keen arch]

Sure

[royal vapor]

Maybe not but I am the same🤣I bought almost every IAP after seeing the lantern scam propaganda and didn't realize for a long time that i was just being fooled🤣i'm so stupid

[final spire]

🥹💸💸💸

[spark lance]

Its not final that its gonna be an IAP

[spark lance]

Wishful Thinking

[bitter fiber]

You think tgc would pass on such an opportunity to take our money?

[narrow osprey]

Sooo,the cat hair will no longer be IAP?

[twin isle]

I think there's a possibility tgc might make it igc again. It's just unfortunate if they do solely because it will have required a crap ton of backlash.

[hollow estuary]

Hopefully not. I hope it will return as an IGC.

[stoic halo]

I'm so sad as free pleyer I can't buy think in my country (Iran) I can't open shop because my country limits 💔

[flat willow]

i really hope this is a little bit of a wake up call for them in general 🛐

[kindred turtle]

[empty crag]

The whole community joined forces againt that one change lol. But i mean it is understandable since us f2p barely gets any good short hairs

[final spire]

[ancient pike]

I think the Cat Hair is staying as an IAP bundle because the Mischief Mask isn’t gonna be a cat in the end it seems.

[dire egret]

now we just need the cat mask to look more appealing than an angry ant

[twin isle]

didnt ktjn say the cat mask was a wip? Did they update on that and I miss that?

[autumn elk]

The biggest issue with adding more items whether it be IGC or IAP is the fact that each year people will want more and other people will want the old things.

This was shown in Days of rainbow when people were disappointed with no new in game currency items, but when the pants were added people who didnt catch the event struggled to get both DOR items as well as the super sought after TS that showed up before.

As easy as it sounds to just “lower the price” each year it would not bode over well with plenty who spent money on candle packs or grinded 20 candles a day a year prior to earn those items.

The next event we will be testing is going to be the most expensive IGC event at the moment currently 285 candles and 35 hearts (yes its more expensive than rainbow currently)

Adding more to this will add to the stress of newcomers regardless especially since they are the ones more likely dealing with TS as well on top of events.

We need to consider all struggles, not just our own.

[ancient pike]

It is a WIP but it doesn’t seem it’ll be a cat mask in the end.

I remember Ash saying the icon was left in as an accident.

[arctic locust]

brazilian players also struggle with IAP as well, 1 USD is about 5 BR over here, that little 3 dollar Shoulder Jellyfish? that was 17 BR, last time I checked the AP was R$54,XX, this stuff is really unmotivating to buy or even participate on seasons, Im having to use my dad's paypal to get money from art commissions if I want to buy things from the game (I am a minor therefore cannot bank acc)

I have a few other BR friends who play the game as well and its a good struggle when these things come along, even if most of us start working at 15-16 and also have to focus on studies- its handful, Im not even sure if their jobs pay with bank accs or in cash due to some being minors

[wispy trench]

Filipino players literally like...

200-400+ pesos range for an IAP?? Seriously?
And AP is like 450 or 999 pesos
That's enough to buy food for yourself for 3 weeks ☹️

[arctic locust]

exactlyy

[twin isle]

I now understand why my Filipino friend was so shocked when I gifted them an AP.

[boreal jewel]

Man if that will be true, the chaos will be nothing in the end lol

[spark lance]

Well said!

[boreal jewel]

In my country, AP is for 800 rupees

[arctic locust]

I know that the game itself just translates the dollars to the country's currency and itd be a real struggle for tgc to input more friendly prices for other currencies but gOD DANG do I dream about it lmao

[spark lance]

Noice, another fellow Pinoy, Didn't know this game was slightly popular in our country

[shadow stratus]

Unfortunatly i think only huge companies end up making custom prices based on region, instead of straight coin conversion

[karmic parrot]

104-899 THB-

[wispy trench]

Yeah it is!
Most of my friends are filos in sky! The rest are people from diff countries:)

[bright island]

I have a quick queston. has the black cat mask that is coming this halloween been avialable in sky cotl live before, or has it only existed in the beta? discord message me if you want to skip timer.

[autumn elk]

The cat mask was never available in live and was supposedly a scrapped design so it wasn’t supposed to be in beta either.

[rotund reef]

Omg… it finally got quiet in here 😲

[kindred fossil]

Nah they just went to sleep

[flat willow]

i still have fight left in me, i just dont have anyone to talk with lel

[rotund reef]

Like that was almost 20 minutes of silence would’ve prolly gone on longer

[spark lance]

Welp, we also need to get some rest lmaoo XD

[kindred fossil]

Well maybe it could go on longer if you don't point it out

[rotund reef]

My bad

[spark lance]

Probably this channel will go chaos again if there's no change in beta. I guess

[frail loom]

(If you played in 2019 you wouldn’t believe aps would cost 18,90 br but yes, very expensive for an ap nowadays, it feels awfully overwhelming to spend this much money on the game. The prices don’t quite fit, it is getting expensive each day ahh sorry for a tad late reply but I can also understand this)

[maiden pond]

There may be change. Whirthun said to expect a formal response to the controversy early next week. We shall see.

[sand garnet]

I'm in the same time zone as TGC, it's still Sunday 7PM here so unfortunately we have some more time to wait. ^_^;

[untold goblet]

They are truly having a pr nightmare overthere

[rotund reef]

California time? 👌

[maiden pond]

It could be this week, I don't know.

[untold goblet]

Well some consider the beginning of the week Sunday and some consider Monday the first day.

So who knows. But a whole week feels like a long time to wait to address an issue that looks really bad for the company.

[blissful wing]

im still kind of sour because of the $20 marshmallow kit
i can buy like 3 bags of real marshmallows for that

[spare cedar]

I agree I feel as that was not worth 20 dollars

[untold goblet]

At least they aren't at EA meme level yet

[shadow stratus]

These 3 bags of marshmallows are not an infinite supply like in the game tho

[flat willow]

b...but they're more yummy than eating your phone

[wary hollow]

you'd think a company all about gathering the world together would fairly price its stuff according to diffrent countries

[bright temple]

Yeah. 20USD is quite a bit in other some other currencys

[spark lance]

its literally R$109,90 here 😭

[real hull]

is the cat hair turned into IGP now?

[bright temple]

Omg that sounds so expensive 😭😭😭

[mighty mulch]

(ping off)
Idk about IAP, but for IGC items they could reimburse the candles to players who bought at the higher price via the lovely inbox system we have in game...

Also wished TGC didn't increase the prices. Look at the Bloom capes. The first one was 70🕯️and the 2022 one was 100🕯️. That's quite a big increase. I did leave feedback and know some others did too, but nothing was done to the new cape except reverting the price of the first cape when they tried to make it more expensive.

[abstract fable]

I've paid 20€ (~$25) for a plane trip to Italy lol
And the trip back was like 14€

[signal sedge]

no response yet, probably none till monday/sometime this week. (for reference they said early next week in this post -> #beta-discussion message )

[spark lance]

its like 2-3 weeks of groceries

[real hull]

i see, thank you!

[glossy mica]

may I ask is the butterfly cape ultimate gift?

[bright temple]

When I first saw the price, I was kinda iffy on it because I'm new here, it might just be that the fan base has lots of money to burn :/. I didn't even consider how atrocious it would be translated into other currency ugugffugujf I hope TGC comes up with a solution:(((

[spark lance]

its what happen when you decide to not let your playerbase help with pricing

[flat willow]

Its saddening to me too because IAP used to be cheaper back then, also IGC items also were cheaper, its just that they been upping the price of those, i think they tried to justify it by saying that since the map grows bigger, there is more places to farm or smth? But at the end of the day, people cannot and shouldnt have to spend 2 hours a day just to go to every corner of every map for a chance to keep up with the prices

[signal sedge]

yeah i get feeling that way! I belive especially rn its a lot of vets, daily, and f2p players (myself included) who have been seeing this gradually getting worse and this was kinda the last straw for a lot of people. And then for new people coming in it can kinda feel scummy as well yes? theres a lot of flared tempers and i am just very thankful conversations seem to be more civil right now then they were last time i was in here

[spark lance]

worst part rn i cant leave the live version yet since i brought the season pass and i dont want to waste it its too much money to let it go to waste

[wary hollow]

and honestly theyres not more places to farm as they only ever add like one or two little candles to burn its almost more lucritive to just wait til geyser then go to grandmas to get your daily 10 candles wich is what iv been doing to stop quick burn out

[abstract fable]

Your reaction is one of the big downsides of this pricing system, as new players join and are met with such a ludicrous store.
I can't say I play Sky to other people as they'll comment about the cash grab system and see me as a fool. It's like a mark of shame

[flat willow]

wait... what daily 10 candles??

[signal sedge]

for me burnout has gotten much worse with the shard events too i want more content and this season sadly just kinda missed the story progression part for me

[wary hollow]

mhm! if you do geyser and then grandma you can easily get 10 candles a day if your good with schedualing i tend to do my dailies at 10 am then go to geyser at 11 then go to grandmas at 11:30! and if 10 candles isnt enough you can always do your normal candle run if needed! Also since theyres the slow chat thing ill also answer ardy. I personally havnt quite hadd an issue with the shards as it gives more candles but i can DEF see why it can burn people out even more especially when its just an other "wait til specified hour to get candles" event

[gilded parrot]

Calculating the needed amount of sneep snorp for #beta-discussion...

[spark lance]

i literally cant candle run without getting burnout on like 5 minutes

[spark lance]

literally all i do is go to an iddle wax area and stay there

and lord the amount of players i see there too

[tiny tinsel]

yeah,,, 10 candles is a realistic candle run amount for me. i just get too annoyed doing the same thing every day so when i do rarely candle run, it’s usually 10. also hi everyone

[half plaza]

tbh i was kind of happy when they introduced the chevron system, so the cap is a fixed 20+ candles. it helped players with less time without being unfair to players that candle runs a lot. i honestly thought the system would stabilize the economy but nope, more IGC items are getting expensive. my honest opinion is that, items like the 2022 bloom cape isn't even that good for the price it has in-game. the previous bloom cape (sold for much cheaper price btw) is miles better than the new one

whoops got off-topic there, my point here is that i was already satisfied with the previous less than 100 candles for items stuff, but now the chevron system looks like it's just preventing us now that everything is getting more expensive

[signal sedge]

yes i get that! for me its moreso just the addition of another timed event, i personally prefer a new area and spirits and quests and while i like getting the extra ac its just kinda a checking the box for me rather then something i enjoy?

[bright temple]

Yeah. Seems like the pricing has been an ongoing issue. Im already sick of candle runs and I've only been playing for three months. I get that its part of the game and all, but I wish there were other ways to get wax other then running around the kingdom or AFKing.

I'm also a little saddened by the season pass, because while I bought the pass, I simply didn't have enough time to dedicate to gathering enough to get the Krill cape. I'm still bummed because it's a Ultimate gift, and I just won't have enough despite paying for the season pass. Its a fault of my own for not making enough time..

...But I'm still bummed about paying to unlock the special items, rather then paying for the seasonal items.

[wary hollow]

agreed. i remember season of flight and how fun it was to adventure the new area and how cute the new spirits where. as much as i dont mind the shards...its not really....anything new and exciting??? rly its more of a chore then anything

[ivory rover]

i feel sad about the fact there are so many players that come online to just chill in social wax area, nothing much else

[spark lance]

literally the only thing holding me rn is the fact that i brought the pass and it is R$54,90 here and i cant let this money go to waste

[signal sedge]

yes!! this season the ultimate gifts are so freaking expensive holy cow i HAVE to run and do dailies every single day to try and make sure i can get them, and thats really really draining, i hope they listen and improve in the future!
also reply to @wary hollow bc of delay, yes!!! candle runs and going to geiser and grandma also just feel like chores in a way but idm doing it every day? but more is just so much

[wary hollow]

idk if anyone else has ever felt this befor but. am i the only one that finds it sad that we cant just talk to strangers after we light them??? i think itd be so much more fun if we could just talk to strangers without befriending them. just the idea of flying around sky and seeing people talk about theyre days or roleplaying and what not. it'd feel more alive then just seeing ". . . . . . . . ."

[half plaza]

im pretty satisfied with the .... thing since it gives me privacy i just bring a table jic i wanna talk to a stranger

[spark lance]

There were this bug during performance testing, you were able to see everyone's chat. And i heard many ppl were able to find ppl from their country this way. But there were also issue about wanting the convos private

[rustic fable]

Well if you play Sky with the same routine everyday for 3 years then it's not a big surprise they got lazy, but still that what idle spot for

[ivory rover]

we have to grind for table 😨 thankfully i have the sanctuary chair prop thing

[twin isle]

A chat toggle on settings would be nice or a way to private message and have public chat too.

[signal sedge]

maybe a feature to toggle like global messages on or off?

[narrow narwhal]

yea during the chat bug in beta it was actually pretty fun and i was able to friend a lot of people from just being able to talk to them, but i don't think i'd really appreciate it long term unless there's a toggle setting yea

[bright temple]

I'm so bummed bc I've almost reached the top of the third seasonal tree thingy, but it won't be enough. I paid for that pass and I'm sad I don't get all of the rewards

[wary hollow]

i getcha :0!! privacy is important maybe if they werent shadow blobs i think that'd fill the void ngl but its probs just a small nitpick that matters little really. also Y I K E S it rly stinks that people just use peoples conversations against them like that thats really ....well i cant say the word iwanna say here

[steady pond]

im not fond of chat bubbles flooding my screen tbh so id want a button that toggles it off entirely.... although i can say the same about message boats and such

[plush pier]

Man,,,, still no reactions </3

[ivory rover]

that is true haha just wish there was more active ways to earn more wax

[signal sedge]

to be honest i find the “…….” covering the screen very annoying at times, they get in the way so often

[wary hollow]

i wish we had more ways to earn wax. Harmony brought a way to get candles but unless your actually good at playing instruemnts in sky you PROBABLY wont get the full amount at all

[tiny tinsel]

i also wish we could toggle it off. if i can’t see it anyways why do i need to know strangers are talking to each other

[signal sedge]

i totally forgot about the harmony thing… i should try to do that more often, brb going to attempt real quick

[plush pier]

Mayb instead of every convo being auto-private you could set yourself to private to talk to ur friends. I feel like it’d make it feel a bit less empty idk

[spark lance]

Plus it's annoying when you want to take beautiful video.. waiting for chat bubbles disappear and hoping they won't talk while you're recording.. (it's prolly a problem only for andro )

[rustic fable]

Indeed maybe more activities like the shards one, or maybe taking quest from mantas or jelly or maybe krills would be fun
Imagine helping a krill untangle because skykid dogde them with their skills too much and the krill bump a tree of waxes for us, that would be kinda cute

[ivory rover]

there is also trials where you can collect candlecakes after finishing the trials but i doubt anyone wants to suffer through every trial for several candlecakes every day

[wary hollow]

i do like tht in days of sunlight rn theyres this little thing where you can fish and sometimesyou get candle wax if you fish out a jellyfish! i think thats rly cute edit: i lowkey wish that the area near grandma stays like this its SO much prettier and livley

[wise socket]

That happened to me at the Little Prince season… my daughter had just been born and I couldn’t finish the season. I lost two items that way. 😞

[analog sun]

chat covering screen and locked camera angles together is maddening i wish they did something about that in beta since that's been a continuous complaint

[tawdry pebble]

Isn’t there a take-picture button? The one with look like camera on the bottom right. I’m using both ios and android for my two accounts and they both show the button when you tap onto the space.

[kindred prawn]

I don’t like how we appear black and bald to strangers like why? There’s no good reason for it

[wary hollow]

i agree with this ngl. i never understood this mechanic

[prime oriole]

I haven't been able to get into beta lately, do you guys too?

[kindred prawn]

At least don’t make us bald lol. Let them see the shadow of our hair

[wary hollow]

FR FR edit: sky kids more like bald kids 🥺

[spark lance]

Lag, there's some devices that hardly run the game well, now imagine if you're seeing every player with different cosmetics at the same time, the poor device would explode

[kindred prawn]

How would seeing everyone with diff cosmetics cause lag? If you were to light everyone it’d be same diff right?

[summer cave]

😨

[timber orbit]

I think it's cute tho. And every stranger doesn't has to worry or feel conscious of their appearance because before lighting each other we're all basically the same (discounting from the cape design)

[hoary oyster]

Please consider what you just said. Like, actually consider what you said.

[elder inlet]

personally love seeing bald unlit skids kinda cute how bald we are and then the joy i get after i lit them

[smoky marsh]

👀

[wary star]

personally I would become bald and maskless

[kindred prawn]

You know I didn’t mean it that way

[elder inlet]

such round heads

[stray thorn]

Okay so I know this isn’t the current topic but I’m so bummed about the cat hair becoming an IAP, along with the fact that there might be only 1 free Aurora pants.. why can’t we have nice things without needing to empty our pocketssss I hope the hair goes back to a candle purchase at least

[frank mirage]

Kinda satisfied that one of the devs said there may be news next week, really wonder what they'll change on the beta after all that complaining for the cat hair and cat mask

[remote flame]

I thought there was gonna be 2 non ap pants?

[hoary oyster]

Regardless, that wasn’t exactly… a good way to put it.

[trim spade]

New week new bugs 🐛

[spark lance]

tbh i agree, but i don't mind if strangers look black and bald. but i hope they will change the pants. because when we see strangers one thing that different it's just the cape. i hope they will change the pants that they use too. in my opinion

[stray thorn]

There could be. I’ve mainly been seeing a lot of people saying it’s just 1 though, so

[frank mirage]

This is really what TGC has to improve on IMO, every single time we get highly anticipated items it suddenly turns into IAP. The beta does exist for reasons though like feedback and bug patching. Since one of the devs did say we might be getting news, it's best to just wait and hope for everything to get resolved.

[kindred prawn]

I described it just as it is, how else would you describe it? I’m just giving my opinion on a game mechanic, nothing more

[remote flame]

I was worried there was another update I missed, last time I checked there was 2

[hoary oyster]

Again… the way it was worded was wrong.

[stray thorn]

Yeah, it’s probably best to wait for it to get resolved. I’m more worried about the resolution being more of a “workaround” instead of an actual solution, though..

[kindred prawn]

I wish at least we’d be able to see the outline of the hair. Bc as you said there’s the cape outline thing

[frank mirage]

Days of Mischief is still in the beta phase, who knows if devs will actually listen to the community. Nobody could really predict what they'll do unless there's some sort of announcement.

[stray thorn]

Fair point there

[spark lance]

To remind players that this is a "Social Game" and not a Candle Grind Simulator

[kindred prawn]

I don’t see why we need to make a big deal out of this or bring irl politics into this. It’s a game mechanic and I didn’t insult anyone

[hoary oyster]

I feel like you’re not understanding that regardless of how you meant it, the way in which it was worded was wrong.

[remote flame]

I kinda feel like if they make the cat hair an igc item (not likely at this point tbh) it won't really fix the problem. Live bugs almost always look nearly identical to the beta bugs from when the update we tested went to live. They really need to do something about how they handle beta testing because that's a big reason why people feel like tgc doesn't listen to the community. The cat hair is just the final straw for a lot of people.

[spark lance]

that's nice too. but i guess the present model was fine. because it's give you a suprise. like we thought the strangers as a moth but they actually wearing cool outfit.

[wary star]

shock all i did was send a joke about it

chill

[stray thorn]

Not to cause more arguing, but how else were they supposed to word it? That’s the two main ways you could describe it- ( again, just curious. I know a lot of these sorts of questions can anger people easily, so- )

[spark lance]

Dude, just chill, let it go. She was not trying to offend anyone

[hoary oyster]

To be fair, there were isn’t another way, but still.

[kindred prawn]

Can we drop this pls?

[hoary oyster]

ANYWAY So about the krill cat.

It’s very fun and an interesting twist to this next Days of Mischief. And it does live up to Mischief’s name, which is perfect. I also like how the cat prop is basically a “we do a little trolling” moment, blowing others away. Just place it next to someone and WOOSH. Sucks it’s iAP, though.

[hybrid wedge]

Mod moment to intervene—@kindred prawn regardless of how you intended your original post, the way avatars are described and valued inevitably overlap with how IRL people’s appearance is described and valued. This is worth keeping in mind in any conversation, since our words can have impact we didn’t intend or realize.

I am going to ask that the conversation though return to focus on beta testing

@worldly creek that was aggressive, and I’ve already asked folks to return to the channel topic

[stray thorn]

I agree there. It’d be nice if other stuff could be a non IAP though ( the pack with the mask and cape makes sense, but it’d be nice for the cat to be a candle purchase too )

[hybrid wedge]

Yeah, it’s IAP... but OTOH there will be free trial spells for everyone to prank each other with

[sleek pelican]

Btw what other highly anticipated items get turned into IAP in the past?

[snow sphinx]

agree, it just lives up to the mischief and it looks like fun to have with friends

if it can not hurt other players it is perfect,
though i understand people who might be afraid of being pushed in front of a krill !!

[hoary oyster]

If I’m gonna be honest, I kinda want it as an iAP. Just not in an over-expensive pack. This is likely due to laziness, but eh, whatever. At least for 5 dollars or smth.

[spark lance]

Tbh i like the cat props. but if someone use that for trolling friends that will not funny. like when you lit candle and your friend put the cat near you to troll you and later you will yeeted to another realms. we wanna go to somewhere else that we already save point the place and the save point change because we yeeted to other realms. (sorry for my bad english) it's kinda hurt for me tbh. welp idk, what about y'all opinion?

[spark lance]

Noice, I've meet another RainWorld enjoyer

[stray thorn]

Okay actually thinking about it a little bit maybe it’s better for the cat to be IAP? Just to avoid the ability of a bunch of skids getting their hands on such a destructive item, especially ones with… despicable intention

[hybrid wedge]

@worldly creek please review the server #rules, which require us all to act with respect towards each other. If your feelings about something are so strong that you don’t feel able to stick with this rule, it’s okay to step out of chat for a bit. This keeps arguments from escalating.

[boreal lark]

no need to be IAPs

[hoary oyster]

I mean, I understand why some people can’t afford it obviously. Again it’s probably because I don’t want to go through the effort of doing it, which again is just me.

If anything, I'm in this fight as much as you are. I just want to state my opinion.

[worldly creek]

I will step away, but yeah I will not silence myself if I see something is wrong or someone try to accuse one another.

[final garden]

Can't wait for the "consent-based form" of mischief for the cat prop. The way it is now is very irritating

[hybrid wedge]

Actually what comes to mind for me is something opposite, since the item has been talked about in chat a lot: the Little Prince pants. It was originally planned as a seasonal IAP (collaboration and IP holders and all), but it was changed to IGC so that more players would have a chance to get it

[terse flame]

Is this controversy still goin on?

[spark lance]

Ayo

[boreal lark]

it can't be cut easily

[hybrid wedge]

If you see a community member insulting someone or otherwise breaking the rules, please let us know by posting in #contact-the-mods, or by pinging the Community Elder role if it has already escalated into a fight. Responding to aggression with aggression most often had the result of making a conflict worse, impacting everyone negatively

[chilly wigeon]

I kinda like being able to just buy the item and not going poor in candles every time a event happenes

[hoary oyster]

Oh is it ever. Never underestimate Beta Chat when it comes to stuff like this.

[hybrid wedge]

We were talking about the cat yeet mobile prop, wanna join? ^^

[frank mirage]

1 USD is over 50 PHP, I was really hoping for TGC to add a cat related cosmetic ever since the first month I've been playing. Well yes others can afford it, but think about people in countries that have currencies lower than the USD.

[sullen relic]

Quick question since I'm not seeing anything in beta known issues: are the beta servers being periodically slow/unresponsive as of late and not letting people log in?

[hybrid wedge]

@spark lance the personal dig at other people’s perspectives about IAPs wasn’t warranted

[agile hazel]

We've reached the 77 hour checkpoint of this mess

[hybrid wedge]

Eric it looks like the bot filtered your post because it used a phrase that, unfortunately, has been used for inappropriate spamming in the past

[hoary oyster]

Imagine adding more gemstones to Sky. Season of Excavation? Season of Geology?

Would be nice to see other variants of crystals instead of the blue and ||red crystals.||

Also, the ability to not react is killing me please.

[stray thorn]

Tbh, it is rather small, so you could just walk around it if someone placed it, or move spots- idk, I’m just playing devil’s advocate here lol

[spark lance]

Its 56 now.. going 60

@hybrid wedge so Kyoko's joke is fine, but mine isnt.. okay

[sharp cliff]

Are we still going to talk about iaps? Yes. 🛐

Reactions are off.

[spark lance]

Season of mathematics

[opaque cipher]

Wait what??? Why can't I react anymore?

[final garden]

Hard to do that when you're actively doing something else and someone just places that prop so you're thrown clear across the area

[abstract fable]

A question, because I think I haven't seen anyone bring this point: what's stopping tgc from making their items available in both irl money and igc? It would possibly ease the issue

[burnt mist]

I didn't mind your joke. I'm sorry if I was rude, I just don't like candle running. Didn't mean to get you in trouble:(

[swift yarrow]

let's celebrate

[hoary oyster]

No please… ||Yes do it. ||

[stray thorn]

True that, lol. Never considered that people would use it while you’re doing a spirit or something though..

maybe it could like- not work if someone is working on/talking to a spirit or in the middle of burning something?

[spark lance]

is this longer than sword pants issues??

and ah yes how about the mass crash on Android last year? (tbh that crash makes me cry a lot lmao)

[hybrid wedge]

No one “got someone” in trouble. When in doubt, simply share your own experience of some part of the game (“I can’t afford to buy a lot of IAPs”) rather than make sarcastic comments, jokes, or “jokes” about someone else’s take on things

[frank mirage]

Ooo yikes, guess I should read more news articles then. But still hoping that TGC actually makes the cat hair IGC again since I don't have a bank account.

[spark lance]

Backpack cat trapeze artist really reminds me of.

[agile hazel]

No idea, but we gotta set a new record with thjs

[cerulean lance]

we're witnessing history here :D

[hybrid wedge]

@sharp cliff I don’t think you meant harm in that, but let’s leave stereotypes about groups of people out of the conversation (even if we think they’re “good” or positive ones)

[spark lance]

It's okay, you didn't do anything wrong.

Although I would Really
buy a sled (for valley), using IRL money if they added it hahha

[final garden]

Or in the closet, or lighting friends' stars, or buying something from a constellation, or around krill or crabs, or near rain, or near dark water (really near any water), or in Eden...

Or just standing and hanging out somewhere

[burnt mist]

Ooh yeah! I love sleds! It would be super cool if they added bobsled racing in the Valley:)

[stray thorn]

Oh yeah- those too lol

[spark lance]

Deym y'all got money for IAPs? it's kinda hurt me personally lmao /jk

[hoary oyster]

Even if Cat Hair gets added as IGC, I will definitely make the effort into getting it because it’s something I actually want. (I could probably just buy the candles if I don’t want to cr…)

[steady pond]

around krill is actually a good thing so far because when it blows you away you fall smack into the ground which'll make the krill not see you lol

[agile hazel]

What is there to compensate? It's beta, there no compensation.

Oh that, yes definitely

[hoary oyster]

Of course, I’m not implying that I’m rich or anything of the sort. If I even cr 10 a day and it’s like, 66 candles plus a few spells, I'll be able to get it.

[stray thorn]

I think they said they were redoing the cat mask? I hope they will at least

Alr, afk time for me. I’ll just be resting chats for now

[snow sphinx]

i hope so, it was so cute

[hoary oyster]

There’s no compensation in general for Sky lol.

[hybrid wedge]

We haven’t even been beta testing 0.19.0 for a week, so the new cosmetics are still subject to change based on feedback!

[agile hazel]

I don't expect changes if the update drops tomorrow. If there is any, it'll likely be in 2-3 builds

[fathom laurel]

I still can't login~ only seeing water OTL

[livid ridge]

Finally the dev decide to speak up took like ages

[terse flame]

they had to test the dang receiving gifts from mail in beta and never used it like ever

[snow sphinx]

anyone having any ideas for the aurora capes that we havent seen yet tho ? i really wonder what they could be

[trim spade]

Bruh it’s a weekend

[flat willow]

I mean it is their day off, they took time out of their free time to say smth about it lmao

[sullen oasis]

Bright colors and starry elements?

[livid ridge]

Oh yeah kinda forgot about that. But at least they finally give us an announcement tho

[snow sphinx]

oooh yeah i hope there will be one with stars like on the mask !

@chilly wigeon oops my bad !

[chilly wigeon]

#beta-season-test-chat

[winged mauve]

Aurora borealis cape aurora borealis cape

[flat willow]

just look up how pretty auroras outfits are... i hope they can translate that well into a cape, just imagine all the medieval princess vibes~

[west scroll]

Meow *yeets you away

[stray thorn]

I’m pretty excited for those blue pants though, the ones with the rounded ends.. they look like they could work well with a lot of fits 👀

THE HAIRS TOO THE HAIRS ARE SO PRETTY

[hoary oyster]

I know right. Kinda pointless if you ask me.

[flat willow]

hhhHHH i dont wanna fangirl too much about it bc this is a #beta-season-test-chat type of discussion but the hairs are soo.... androgynous... 80s... and dreamy fantasy vibes all in one its literally all ive ever wanted

[drowsy barn]

the aurora cosmetics are so pretty I especially like the white and gold pants

[stray thorn]

It so isss devs and designers did so good on the Aurora stuff

[flat willow]

As much as im disappointed in the way they've decided to monetize their game as of lately i will be buying the season pass for this one because... cmon just look at it?? i will be HARD skipping DoM though

[stray thorn]

Same here.. Aurora stuff is too pretty lol

[flat willow]

I just hope they dont cost 80 seasonal candles each fr

[agile hazel]

No there's only 4 spirits, there's 7 emotes but we don't know if the other 3 will be from new spirits or added to the current 4

[terse yarrow]

I agree that aurora season look good as it's still first stage. But there is another place for discussing this #beta-season-test-chat