dnd-discussion

[urban bolt]

I;ve known quite a few DM's who allow stuff outside of starting equip, ecpiecially if it's temp nerfed or they give up something in their other starting stuff.

[feral fulcrum]

It'd certainly make Rune Knight's feel more like the "I emulate Giants and am scary strong." Fantasy they're meant to fulfill, and less "I swing around a giant squeaky toy the size of a horse."

[eager marsh]

The issue there is that you immediately become the only relevant fighter subclass for damage. "Yea let me just get a free 1d12 extra on all my greatsword attacks, of which I make 3 of per turn at lv 5 with cleave and not counting action surge"

[signal vault]

Guys how bad does this sound, I'm playing an "evil" character. I've been slowly convincing my other party members to hate one character so I kill him because he could Lo-Diff the whole party and that breaks my plan.

[urban bolt]

What?

[glass granite]

Quite bad

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah, I'm aware it doesn't work in 5E because they rather simplified and changed systems. But I still yearn for the fantasy of Big Boy with Big Damage.

[fossil hollow]

betraying the party never is a good idea without every player in on it

[glass granite]

(Every player and the DM)

[eager marsh]

Yea, my tier 3 monk has Wyrm Reaver Gauntlets. +1d6 damage per punch when I make 5 is a huge boost to my dps. More if I can chug a potion of growth/pugilism beforehand

[signal vault]

Hmmm, I have 3.5/6 players + Me & DM in on it

[fossil hollow]

Wyrm Reaver gauntlets my beloved

[glass granite]

That’s not enough imo

But it ain’t my table

[feral fulcrum]

6 players is plenty

[glass granite]

No like, on board for a betrayal and seemingly PvP

[eager marsh]

I wish the bonus action function wasn't terrible honestly. it's a monk coded item but wants you to use strength to determine the save dc. Granted that conditional effect also rarely comes up, but still. id also like to not need my bonus action to active my legally distinct Nero Devil Arms

[feral fulcrum]

Ah, I thought they were talking about a 3.5E game 😛

[fossil hollow]

i have it on a rune knight in my backlog lmao

[glass granite]

I like to take a ranger level to do something similar to Wyrm Reaver, plus I get Nick mastery too

[urban bolt]

Anyways, thanks guys! I will definitely make sure that my future DM is aware of the damage output. I don't even care if they do downgrade it even down to like a 1d10 instead, the flavor of it is just too fantastic for me to be upset :-)

[eager marsh]

just use a crossbow and say its a rifle

[glass granite]

Flavour is free

[eager marsh]

flavor is free and fixes most cases of 'i want to be able to do this'

[remote wadi]

Kind of wish CoS had a smidge more magic items involved. I feel somewhat underprepared in terms of weapons, armor, and utility

[burnt valley]

It isn't as satisfying if it aint the same mechanically though

[hidden spindle]

I never assume I'll have any Magic Items... unless I was an Artificer

[umbral girder]

Yeah. Much less the futuristic firearms

[remote wadi]

I mean, I don't need them. Just one of those things where you almost never see them

[urban bolt]

Whelp, nevermind then lol if it's just that bad

[umbral girder]

Kinda the point that there is hardly any.

[eager marsh]

that's intended.

[umbral girder]

But that leads into more spoilers

[remote wadi]

But then again, my quick thinking and small trade almost netted me a magic item. But one party foul later, no magic item

According to dm, including and up to a bag of holding

[umbral girder]

and?

[remote wadi]

It got reduced to a rapidly consumed potion of thunder resistance

[hidden spindle]

Cast Locate Object?

[remote wadi]

And I was down one ivory and silver hairbrush

At least, I can rest easy knowing it would have worked

[glass granite]

I feel kinda bad for the sickle, cuz while it’s cool it really ain’t that good (which is realistic tbf but still)

[remote wadi]

I feel the same way with the flail

[glass granite]

Flails are fine. They’re usable, just boring in dnd.
Sickles are just kinda pathetic

[umbral girder]

I should do a Sickle build

[glass granite]

Barbarian?

[remote wadi]

Usable, but not that great. Not much of a reason to use one over a maul

[umbral girder]

Probably be a Strength Ranger build

[glass granite]

You can use a shield

[umbral girder]

So I could get like a TWF Moon Sickle build maybe.

[glass granite]

Then use dueling

[umbral girder]

Moon Sickles are a magic weapon that also boosts Ranger's spell casting after all

[glass granite]

Sounds cool

[remote wadi]

I guess so, but they're usually going to have high enough AC that it wouldn't matter

Also, why is flail not a reach weapon?

[hidden spindle]

Monk & Weapon Master feat & use Martial Arts die

[glass granite]

Wdym about the AC?

[glass granite]

Or take a rogue or ranger level, which is what I do.

[umbral girder]

Yeah but that slows your class progression

[remote wadi]

16-17 AC is already great enough. Probably best to focus on damage after that in terms of investment

[glass granite]

Indeed, but it’s an option

[glass granite]

I’d disagree, having more AC really helps as the game goes on

[hidden spindle]

I like monoclassing to keep class progression

[remote wadi]

By the way, question about Assassin. How useful is the advantage part of the subclass?

[glass granite]

Free sneak attack, quite nice

[hidden spindle]

Its more useful than not having it

[remote wadi]

And is it worth taking 3 levels in Rogue vs sticking to mono Ranger?

[glass granite]

Plus it’s generally considered better to not miss

[umbral girder]

Advantage is mainly good for Sneak attack are lowering the low roll odds

[umbral girder]

Mono Ranger I'd say.

[glass granite]

That’s up to you

[umbral girder]

You can still get similar bonuses from spells, class features, and feats.

[remote wadi]

Okay, for clarity

When I ask this question, treat it as me more asking "What are the pros and cons for each choice?"

[glass granite]

Both options have their merits imo, just choose which looks more fun

[remote wadi]

Mmm, I suppose so. But there is something a bit concerning for picking up a Rogue subclass

Making it harder to get Wis save prof

Which, given Wis saves as a whole and for vamp spawns, could be a problem

[umbral girder]

Ranger gets your more spells, spell slots, and hit points.
Rogue can get 2 skills, once a round damage bonus with the right conditions, and expertise.

Cunning action can be useful but gets in the way of other bonus action stuff Ranger gets

Also can be replicated with a first level spell

[remote wadi]

What other BA stuff does Gloomstalker Ranger get?

[glass granite]

CBE for one

[hidden spindle]

Gloom Stalkers get WIS Save Proficiency later

[remote wadi]

And is the first level spell HM?

[umbral girder]

Spells and CBE or TWF

Oh yeah Wis save proficiency is HUGE

[remote wadi]

I know that at level 7, was just saying that my current plan is to get Rogue levels for assassin. Second thoughts on if the choice is the best

[umbral girder]

Get Resilent Con and you got the 3 most common saving throws in the game covered.

[remote wadi]

I only have Str and Dex as a Ranger

[glass granite]

Yeah I do think mono ranger is the SAFEST pick
Also, dex, wis, con

[umbral girder]

Yep! Gloomstalker gets Wisdom later on (as mentioned earlier) and Resilient Con I mentioned for Constitution.

[remote wadi]

I double checked, 2014 Ranger is Dex and Str

[umbral girder]

You are still ignoring what was said it seems.

[remote wadi]

Ahh. I gotcha. Misunderstood that, I apologize

I could swap out Poisoner for Res Con, possibly

I thought you were saying that because you thought Ranger got Dex and Wis

[umbral girder]

I've been playing D&D (and Ranger) for 8 years. I know their saves.

Also no class starts with 2 common Save proficiencies. Its always 1 Uncommon and 1 Common.

[remote wadi]

I mean, our druid proclaims to have 10 years under their belt. Makes it hard to understand if their blunders are rookie mistakes or on purpose

[umbral girder]

Str, Int, Cha as uncommon and Wis, Dex, Con as common saves.

[remote wadi]

With that said

I'm reconsidering mono Ranger. Could be very useful in terms of benefits

[tender seal]

hi!

[feral fulcrum]

Because they're not even a reach weapon IRL. The chains do not add much length at all, the hafts/handles are not very long either. Compare them to an eight foot long pointy stick, or eight foot long hammer on a stick.

[glass granite]

Gooood morning afternoon evening!

[fossil hollow]

wah!

[remote wadi]

Tireless could also be fun for being able to do both day and night activities since exhaustion is super easy to cure

[glass granite]

Wah!

[fossil hollow]

wah!

[glass granite]

We Are Here!

[umbral girder]

Wario is in the chat it seems

[fossil hollow]

good job avoiding the 4th wah

[tender seal]

Im new in this dnd community, and id appreciate if someone could take a look at my character sheet :)

[hidden spindle]

-# Waluigi

[umbral girder]

Also the Temp HP can easily done before any encounter hours ahead of time.

[remote wadi]

That reminds me. Would be fun to make Wario as a DnD character

[glass granite]

Sure! Send the link to #character-discussion

[feral fulcrum]

Wahcapella

[glass granite]

We don’t talk about the 4th Wah

[umbral girder]

Wah

[remote wadi]

Actually...

What if I just do 8 and 3 for Ranger Rogue instead of the 5/6 plan?

Could be best of both worlds

[glass granite]

-# I remember suggesting that longggg back

[remote wadi]

You'll have to remember my memory is terrible

[glass granite]

I remember weird details

[umbral girder]

Eh I say monoclass ranger.

[remote wadi]

I should ask, then

[glass granite]

I say keep going ranger classes and if you want to later grab rogue/anything else

[remote wadi]

What BA benefits does Ranger have?

[hidden spindle]

Monoclassing Ranger.
Plant Growth~

[glass granite]

Like Ranger themselves?

Or your ranger?

[umbral girder]

Stalker's fury, another ASI, more hp than Rogue, Vanish, and another spell and another 3rd level slot is pretty good to have.

[remote wadi]

Gloomstalker Ranger

[hidden spindle]

Plus, Gloomstalker 11, with your luck, you'll love

[umbral girder]

I mean Nature's Veil. That was the 2014 name. Its very useful.

Invisibility that can just be "advantage on all attacks" or "Dont get targetted by a lot of spells" power.

Especially so that your Gloomstalker still has it as an option if caught in the light.

[remote wadi]

Okay, I'm starting to see that crits benefit me very little when I already have Sharpshooter

[severe rampart]

It's so hard trying to voice a female character without having my throat be destroyed

[umbral girder]

I'd say getting another ASI for Wis or Dex or a Feat is way more important too (at level 12)

Especially for a Sharpshooter.

[knotty pasture]

Crit fishing has always been more fun than good

Emphasis on fun cuz its v satisfying

[remote wadi]

Wait, Rangers also get Revivify...?

[hidden spindle]

They do

[remote wadi]

They got hooked up with the good stuff from Druid

Wait, another thing

[knotty pasture]

Probably one of the few good lv3 spells for Ranger

[remote wadi]

For Conjure Barrage? Can you use a poisoned arrow?

[knotty pasture]

Everything else is either bad or is concentration and clashes with PWT

[remote wadi]

Because poison isn't magic

And being able to potentially give poison status on anything in a 60 foot cone could be strong if they aren't immune

[umbral girder]

Ask you dm. I wouldn’t include it but that could change by your DM

Besides I don’t know how well Posion works in CoS of all campaigns

[remote wadi]

Noted. Back to work I go

[umbral girder]

Dispel Magic is also a pretty good level 3 spell for Rangers

[hidden spindle]

Yeah. I like preparing Dispel Magic & Lesser Restoration. Just to take care of problems.

[junior spade]

What good items I should buy or look out for that you don't start with from starting equipment

[fossil hollow]

magic ones

[rough basalt]

It wouldn't be entirely useless, but very

[junior spade]

Normal ones specifically...

[hidden spindle]

Grappling Hook. Climber's Kit. Rope.

[rough basalt]

Poisons something I wanna draw up some homebrew for

[limber trail]

What class are you playing as?

[hidden spindle]

Ladder. Torches. Oil. Lamps/Lantern (Bullseye/Hooded)

[junior spade]

Uhm homebrew, asking abt it bc it's important to the class

[limber trail]

well studded leather / plate armour / half plate is always important to have

[hidden spindle]

Caltrops. Net. Acid. Alchemist Fire.

[limber trail]

manacles are good as are ball bearings

[hidden spindle]

Healer's Kit.

[plucky finch]

Hello :} ! Is this where I could ask a relationship/dragon mating habits question about my character (based in the FR setting), or should I ask those kinda questions in the lore channel?

[rough basalt]

They typically only match up to have children, as Dragons are very solitary, and have rivalries, but some stay together for a long time

And Dragon's shapechanged into humanoids can have children with compatible humanoids to the humanoid form they're assuming (I assume), it's what Half Dragons end up as iirc

[plucky finch]

He is gay, so no mating for children (unless there’s some magic way of doing it I dont know about) and I was thinking of making him have a metallic dragon for a partner, but I don’t know much about the metallic dragons

[rough basalt]

Well Metallics and Chromatics generally hate each other as a rule in FR

[plucky finch]

he’s an obsidian derg

[rough basalt]

Oh a gem? Then probably fine, if it's just a transactional sort of thing.

I'm just going off what I can remember off to of my head, but Gems sit in the middle so 50/50 ig

[woven flint]

Hello, lovely friends

[rough basalt]

Fizbans probably has something somewhere about Metallics and Gems views towards each other

Since Bahamut was based and didn't write a biased book about dragonkind.

[plucky finch]

they’re neutral based, with obsidians (while not being in 5e :{) are neutral evil, or thats what they want you to think, something something Sardior, something something deception maybe?

[plucky finch]

haii

[woven flint]

I can imagine that Metallics and Chromatics don't care so long as the gem dragons don't cause them trouble

[rough basalt]

Oh, uh. Yeah probably not gonna happen unless they truly deceived them

[woven flint]

The Crystal Dragon is the most friendly of the gem dragons

[rough basalt]

A Copper maybe

The other Metallic Dragons have a "destroy evil on sight" stance

[woven flint]

Hello, friend I've never met

but now I have so therefore friend

[rough basalt]

Copper if you can get them talking might be deceivable

Tho you'd have to put up with them never shutting up

[eager marsh]

Coppers do the deceiving actually

[woven flint]

Copper Dragons are genuinely chill guys and gals for the mot part

[eager marsh]

They’re the bard adjacent dragons

[woven flint]

I think Copper Dragons probably care the least about destroying evil

[rough basalt]

Reminds me of the Adult Copper Dragon in the area my Monday game is in that frequently targets young Chromatic Dragons to bully them.

[plucky finch]

The character as I wrote him is not evil, just isn’t as empathetic to non-dragons or other long living species

[woven flint]

Golden Dragons are top tier Evil haters

[rough basalt]

Brass are up there too

If they see Evil preying on the innocent, it's fire time

[fossil hollow]

i think its a tie between silver and gold for dstroying evils

[woven flint]

Orizontas wouldn't appriciate that

[rough basalt]

Brass are more protectors than seekers of Justice true

[umbral girder]

What do dragons think about Taco Tuesday I wonder?

[stoic haven]

Coppers are just...there? Silly guys?

[fossil hollow]

copper will chat you down

[stoic haven]

And Bronze is just desert

[rough basalt]

They're like their Chromatic Counterparts (Green) but much more likely to get you to let your guard down cause they're just "silly chatterboxes"

[fossil hollow]

brass is desert. bronze are coastal

[umbral girder]

Copper dragons are known for mass war crimes and their propaganda to make it seem like they are chill dudes /jk

[rough basalt]

True

[limber trail]

In all my games dragons go ecstatic for taco Tuesday

[rough basalt]

Bahamut told me that Coppers were Tiamats take on metallics

[fossil hollow]

whats a taco

[umbral girder]

Yes

[woven flint]

Gold, Silver, Bronze, Brass, Copper.
In order from hates evil the most to can tolerate it, thoughts?

[limber trail]

You’ll find out on Tuesday

[blissful ibex]

until nobody shows up
then they're all sad q_q

[fossil hollow]

its wednesday

[umbral girder]

It’s radical Friday

[fossil hollow]

we do not TALK ABOUT BARNABAS

[woven flint]

It is wednsday my dudes

[umbral girder]

In California

[stoic haven]

Oh, I thought the coastal ones were the big protectors

[woven flint]

Actually, its thursday for me

[limber trail]

Dragons in my setting are currently undergoing a biological need to go to one specific place in the desert. They quite literally need to show up. Taco Tuesday is off the chain

[rough basalt]

The in character line for Black Dragons in Fizbans.
Where Bahamut was treating Tiamats creation of black dragons like a "poor school project to be scolded for"

Or something like that

[fossil hollow]

they are. bronze are big protectors. the 2024 one depicts an adult using its breath weapon to push water elementals away from a village, and the ancient one is eating a giant shark

[umbral girder]

Meanwhile the Book of Dragons Tiamat treats black dragons as her 2nd best creation ever

[rough basalt]

Oh right Bronze are the protectors

[hidden spindle]

I like that several dragons are amphibious. 🐸

[fossil hollow]

brass... i forgot what their deal was besids deserts. the one brass dragon i used was just an old blacksmith who was abducted by a death cult

[rough basalt]

I think Brass are Blues counterpart

So they amass armies to fight Blues armies

[woven flint]

Dragons kissing

[fossil hollow]

#dnd-elder-editions

[hushed mason]

Memememememe!

[blissful ibex]

for anyone who's confused https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/912hcp/my_party_lied_to_a_brass_dragon_today/

[hushed mason]

I only play 3.5.

[plucky finch]

my idea for how he got into a relationship is while he was looking into an apocalyptic event/site, he met the dragon there and they eventually gained a connection

[fossil hollow]

NO

[blissful ibex]

c:

[umbral girder]

So the counter parts
Gold = Red
Brass = Blue
White = Silver
Bronze = Black
Copper = Green?

[limber trail]

Brass Dragons are fire-based. They're in deserts, often posing as eccentric merchants and travelling collectors

[fossil hollow]

ahh, eccentricity

[rough basalt]

Ye copper and green

The Dragons that are immediately nullified by a 2nd level spell

[woven flint]

_>
Rood.

[fossil hollow]

you think a silence spell is going to stop a copper?

[hushed mason]

"Normal" is relative.

[rough basalt]

Then you realize their machinations have already won the war

[limber trail]

It's bronze dragons that are counterparts to blues

[woven flint]

They just keep yapping in the silence

[harsh hollow]

Is 3.5 the one Pathfinder is spun off from?

[hushed mason]

Yes.

[fossil hollow]

"im so enamoured with my voice that i dont care if i have an auience or not"

[stoic haven]

I think Bronze = White and Silver = Black

[umbral girder]

The ocean dudes?

[empty thicket]

ma....mac..machine....
IM GOING TO SMITE YOU DOWN MACHINE!!! (ultrakill reference, peak game)

[harsh hollow]

All I really know from older editions is 3.5 is Pathfinder and nobody has anything good to say about 4th edition.

[fossil hollow]

i lost to an object?! Twice?!

[stoic haven]

Black is more about destruction on a big scale, and Silver being that on the good side. Bronze is protector of the weak, Whites prey on the weak

[rough basalt]

Nah Silvers and Whites have history, some problematic history actually

[umbral girder]

4th edition is really good TBF

[rough basalt]

Bronze want to protect the weak, Black want the weak to suffer

[plucky finch]

although lowky a stoic researcher being madly in love with a non-stop yapper sounds cute

[hushed mason]

There are some good things about 4th edition. THe concept of Feywild and Shadowfell come to us from 4th.

[stoic haven]

Oh, fair

[fossil hollow]

do note that list also puts them at odds with their regionally more accessible rivals in the chromatic side

[rough basalt]

But yeah Brass and Blue are both desert dwellers so they're often rivals

[harsh hollow]

I guess not so much nobody as much as I heard bad things from longer time players about 4th.

[umbral girder]

Dragonborn came from 4th edition too

[fossil hollow]

silver and white live in the same areas

[hushed mason]

Anyway, there is a limit to how much we are allowed to talk about old editions in this channel. They have #dnd-elder-editions for us instead.

[harsh hollow]

Right.

[rough basalt]

Yeah in older editions Silvers would steal white eggs to "raise them to be good"

[umbral girder]

Different planes

[woven flint]

Indeed

My Dragonborn Fighter is dating a Kobold Monk in the party (they're very gay) and he has to keep the stable head between the two of them

[rough basalt]

Now it's they take abandoned eggs but still oof

[umbral girder]

Those were “Plane of Faire and Plane of Shadow”

[hushed mason]

These planes come from 4th's cosmology.

[empty thicket]

if any of my players go construct im giving him that rival, i will give each character a rival//nemesis

[umbral girder]

Which didn’t have a lot. 4th edition had a lot more for them and unique names

[limber trail]

what

[rough basalt]

It's just called keeping a large server orderly

[fossil hollow]

4th retconned a lot

[woven flint]

It's really not that deep, brother

[hushed mason]

Not in the same way.

[fossil hollow]

5th retconned some retcons

[umbral girder]

Last I checked Drizzt didn’t do anything with the Shadowfell until 4e was coming out

[hushed mason]

There are some 4e fans on this server. So, it has fans.

[fossil hollow]

i only like monster roles

[umbral girder]

Because it was after the Orc King which actively talked about the Spellplague, the 4th edition event

[hushed mason]

Given that I stopped at Ghost King and never read anything about Shadowfell, I'd have to agree.

[plucky finch]

although my character is 1000+ years old, so…old dragon yaoi?

[harsh hollow]

Would the changes in lore for some species between Volo's and MotM be considered a retcon?

[rough basalt]

It's the official dnd server.
And the current official edition is 5e.
So naturally it's a 5e focused server

[woven flint]

Tis the way.

[fossil hollow]

dragon yaoi was definitely something to read

[fossil hollow]

volo is fr lore, motm is setting neutral

[plucky finch]

ur welcome

[woven flint]

Though, 1000 Years old is nothing to a dragon

[limber trail]

5e is also by far the most played edition atm

[rough basalt]

There's a 3.5e discord out there, not very active last I checked but it's there

[harsh hollow]

Gotcha.

[hushed mason]

It's active every day.

[rough basalt]

And there's a 4e discord that's moderately active

[rough basalt]

That's good then.

[fossil hollow]

moving on

[plucky finch]

did the dragon lifespan change? I’ve been going off the chart on the dnd wiki

[hushed mason]

I can send an invite, if you'd like.

[umbral girder]

I still loved the highest reviewed and most sold 3rd party for 5e is just “we did 4e again”

[rough basalt]

People named Matt using 4e to make successful products

[normal canyon]

Hi

[umbral girder]

I was tickled by Daggerheart and Draw Steel both out right saying “yeah we based this on 4th edition specifically”

[woven flint]

Nah, I just wouldn't consider 1000 years "Old" for a dragon personally lol

[fossil hollow]

... 801 is when they reach ancient tokii

[limber trail]

1000 years is ancient

[plucky finch]

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_aging

[woven flint]

And?
Dragons are effectively immortal ifn't killed, no?

[fossil hollow]

they average 1000

[dark basin]

And, that's RAW.

[hushed mason]

1K is a great deal older than most dragons will ever reach.

[umbral girder]

They can die of old age

[woven flint]

Damn.
Guess I'll wish the dragons lived longer

[fossil hollow]

slate is literally a few days old

[hushed mason]

I have 1K years as being a Wyrm. Is that correct?

[woven flint]

Oh, wait, aren't Greatwyrms immortal?

[fossil hollow]

yes, but theyre no longer aging

[woven flint]

Age-wise, yea

[plucky finch]

how do dragons do age gaps 🤔

[fossil hollow]

theyre a bit beyond mortal functions

in fact, they have unusual nature. no need for food, water

[umbral girder]

I don’t think Dragons care either

[calm garnet]

Which oath of paladin would benefit a cleric/Paladin cross class?

[woven flint]

I will help Slate achieve Greatwyrm-dom
My daughter deserves it

[umbral girder]

I could imagine you explaining the term Yaoi to a dragon and they would tell you “ Why do you need a special term for falling in love? That’s just a regular relationship.”

[fossil hollow]

devotion

[fossil hollow]

:3

evil arse grin

[knotty pasture]

Ooh Cleric Paladin is a tough one, could that even work

[woven flint]

Dragons and Elves
Not caring about gender: 🤝

[umbral girder]

Yep it can work.

Just be picky with your spells with cleric

[harsh hollow]

If that high level druid ribbon feature maths with elves the way I think it does it sounds like like elf druids win in terms of ageing.

[plucky finch]

my character explaining his love for his partner (husband? can dragons marry?) and the bard just screaming “OLD MAN YAOI”

[woven flint]

You kill my daughter, I'm killing you. /joking.. or am I?

[fossil hollow]

i can do worse than death

[umbral girder]

I can see Dragons getting married specifically with a humanoid to humor them

[plucky finch]

I cast imprisonment, get labyrinthed idiot

[woven flint]

Do you want the kindest wizard bunny man alive to become EVIL and VENGEFUL?!

[fossil hollow]

after all... diancastra has the deck of many things... and slate a curious creature...

[woven flint]

I'm sure Diancastra would keep it away from her smh.

[umbral girder]

Dragons overall don’t seem as social as humans are from what I’ve read so far

[jovial shadow]

They cast counter spell. Oops there goes Imprsionment

[calm garnet]

All of my stats are high enough

[fossil hollow]

"yes... come to the darkness, hopping rodent. embrace the rage, the sorrow... for that will all that remains with this world..."

[fossil hollow]

she can only do so much :3

[woven flint]

Diancastra is literally a GOD

[fossil hollow]

demigod

[woven flint]

Shut the hell up! >:[ /joking

[fossil hollow]

hiatea got got. should show you how powerful they are in this setting

[plucky finch]

not really but I think allowing my dragon guy to be a fruit is reason enough

[woven flint]

You can't just off-screen my child

I'm gonna lose my mind

[fossil hollow]

again, never said im killing her >:)

[woven flint]

Count your days, dm of mine.
/joking

[harsh hollow]

Mmmm, dragonfruit.

[fossil hollow]

isnt it already lost? has the book not started to gnaw at your psyche? do you not feel your memories being written instead in its pages?

[rough basalt]

Read a manwha where Dragons would live human lives to sate their boredom then just toss them aside and it led to so much bad crap happening which is what this made me think of

[woven flint]

Nah, because the Bunny Man is built different
He's too whimsical

[jovial shadow]

Dragons are monsters and want to eat you. Just because they are intelligent and can even speak your toungue is irrelvant

[woven flint]

That's a take lol

[fossil hollow]

thats only chromatics for the most part

[harsh hollow]

Untrue, some also want to trick you. Important distinction.

[plucky finch]

thats a bit more chromatic

[fossil hollow]

gems and metallics arent fond of eating humanoids

[jovial shadow]

Good dragons will eat you too.

[plucky finch]

Tiamat messed up her kids

[jovial shadow]

If a good dragon is hungry it's going to eat

[fossil hollow]

they can yes. wether or not they want to is a different matter

[harsh hollow]

When did Galanoth from AdventureQuest get here.

[fossil hollow]

dont mind lord

[jovial shadow]

If the DM says they are hungry, and you mortals are there. Well you just became lunch

[plucky finch]

I imagine most humanoids aren’t exactly pleasant tasting

[fossil hollow]

a dm can say anything

[plucky finch]

trueee

[woven flint]

Brother acts like Metallics wouldn't just go find food instead of eating their beloved guests smh

[fossil hollow]

or just metals, if theyre a gold

[plucky finch]

and gems…probably eat rocks

[jovial shadow]

Just because a monster is good, doesn't mean they are going to starve if you are around

[harsh hollow]

I assume just in terms of economy of meat there are better things to hunt than humanoids.

[woven flint]

Oh yeah
Gold Dragons literally just eat metal

[jovial shadow]

Smart DM's understand that

[rough basalt]

Well if you're intelligent then you're just gonna keep food around.

[fossil hollow]

firstly, have you read silver dragons

[plucky finch]

yea but that is like, a last resort kinda thing? yknow like cannibalism?

[rough basalt]

Why would Golds not have stacks of metal scrap to munch on in their nest at all times.

[humble cairn]

No, but they might ask you to help them find something they can hunt or buy legitimately, they're basically differently shaped people.

[feral fulcrum]

I'm sure you're just low effort trolling. But in case you're not. If you got the munchies, the first thing you do isn't eat the nearest human being.

[harsh hollow]

I figured the point of the more famous DnD dragons was the whole intelligent shapeshifter deal.

[woven flint]

Oh no! The Monster with high standing morals is gonna suddenly abandon those morals because they're hungry! Oh nooooo /sarcasm

[jovial shadow]

Uhm a dragon eating you isn't cannablism, unless you are a dragon.

[rough basalt]

It's the "humans will immediately all become murderous psychopaths if a zombie apocalypse happens" take but with dragons

[humble cairn]

Who brought up cannibalism? Ahh, I see. I feel that "like" in there was making it an analogy.

[plucky finch]

I mean I’ve had my guy eat melf meteors cause he had some left over and was peckish

[fossil hollow]

seer

[plucky finch]

hi?

[fossil hollow]

oh, just answering who brought up cannibalism

[harsh hollow]

Melf's Meteor Puffs, part of a good breakfast.

[fossil hollow]

a green dragon's favorite meal

seriously. they love elven flesh

[feral fulcrum]

Meteor Puffs Meteor Puffs, Eat em up eat em up eat em up!

[plucky finch]

I am in miseryyyy, and ain’t no body gonna eat me oh ohhh

[woven flint]

A Black Dragon and White Dragon would most definitely eat you right away because they're the most murderous

But Metallics? Really?
The ones who, but the way, are created by the Diety of GOOD DRAGONS?

[humble cairn]

I don't think it's reasonable to say that a dragon who respects life and people would just eat said people at the slightest provocation.

[umbral girder]

Vegetable fed meat is usually good

[woven flint]

A good dragon isn't just gonna throw away what they stand for

[humble cairn]

Yeah it'd very out of character.

[fossil hollow]

especially the likes of silvers and golds

[plucky finch]

if all dragons can agree on one thing, they stand by what they personally believe

[woven flint]

Silver dragons, my babies...

[fossil hollow]

gems? i can see them being peckish enough to eat humanoids

[rough basalt]

Not to mention if they did, and a different metallic found out about it, there'd be some hell to pay probably

[fossil hollow]

metallics? not unless youre in Eberron or Krynn during the cataclysm

[plucky finch]

I’ve joked about eating my enemies…ignore the fact I’m no longer a dragom…

[feral fulcrum]

My Wizard has eaten their enemies. (Beware the Fae)

[jovial shadow]

Dragons will eat you, if the situation warrants it. Good or bad.

[fossil hollow]

... do they not eat names

[woven flint]

I, a decent person, am going to eat you when I'm perfectly capable of getting food somewhere else...
I dunno why, a strange voice that goes against my person told me to! /joking

[rough basalt]

A smart dragon isn't gonna let themselves go hungry tho

[woven flint]

That's different from your original point

Now it's "If it's warranted" kinda moving goal posts, eh?

[jovial shadow]

In fact I still have a module where Cloud Giants were starving and were trying to eat the PC's. Heck I didn't even know giants eat people.

[rough basalt]

And all Dragons are at least as smart as the average human

[plucky finch]

also yknow…most of them can like…do magic and fly?

[feral fulcrum]

And smart dragon can easily hunt wild-game. Or very likely, just Conjure food.

[jovial shadow]

I made several points, the main point is if they are hungry. Scroll up and you'll see

[fossil hollow]

cloud giants are literally based off jack and the beanstalk giants...

[harsh hollow]

Just picturing a farmer dragon now.

[plucky finch]

thats like the one thing giants have done in folk lore for like, forever

[feral fulcrum]

They're not dumb beasts that just happen to breathe fire or other exotic energies.. Despite what 5E statblocks would occasionaly imply in 2014

[humble cairn]

Which is not reasonable for a character who respects life and other people.

[plucky finch]

comically large pitchfork

[hushed mason]

Cloud Giants grind bones to make bread?

[fossil hollow]

you joke, but a bronze or silver would probably do it for a while

[woven flint]

Metallics have also got...
SPECIALIZED breath weapons for NOT killing people as well!
It's like they don't like killing if they don't really need to!

[plucky finch]

oh i did not jest

[harsh hollow]

Metalic #1 Defender has logged on. 🫡

[jovial shadow]

Dragons aren't characters.

[harsh hollow]

Okay buddy.

[feral fulcrum]

Yes they are.

[woven flint]

That's me :333

[humble cairn]

Yes they are. Non Player Characters are also characters.

[jovial shadow]

omg . lol

[hushed mason]

NPC still includes the term "character".

[fossil hollow]

its in the name

[humble cairn]

Literally

[woven flint]

This is also the same person that vehemently proclaims Tiamat isn't an Archdevil

[hushed mason]

Congratulations for using the word correctly!

[jovial shadow]

hilarious

[humble cairn]

Thank you, I will accept the pedant point.

[harsh hollow]

I feel like this is an anti-dragon propaganda campaign someone is shouting on a street corner.

[hushed mason]

I try to celebrate the good rather than put down the folks that get stuff wrong.

[woven flint]

Why can't we just be Anti... Not Fun!!!!

Anti Not Having fun
Only fun is allowed here

[fossil hollow]

if i had a nickel for everytie someone in here was vehemently anti-dragon, i would have two

[rough basalt]

We get them from time to time

[harsh hollow]

I'm still not sure what that person casting spells in 3rd party yesterday was about.

[woven flint]

You know who really needs a finger pointed at them?

CELESTIALS!
they're suspicious.

[harsh hollow]

Bayonetta has logged on.

[woven flint]

Not all Celestials are good, though

[feral fulcrum]

Who cares if theyr'e suspicious. They provide great statblocks for Shapechange.

[hushed mason]

It's all those creepy anthropomorphic species you really need to worry about.

[woven flint]

And that's what's strange to me
They're SUPPOSED to represent good!

[plucky finch]

who here is a hater of the alignment chart

[fossil hollow]

radiant idol. 25% of empyreans

[feral fulcrum]

Not me.

[hushed mason]

Not I! I play 3.5. I like my alignment chart, thank-you.

[humble cairn]

You're just saying things that make no sense. It is unreasonable for someone who is written as respecting life and people to simply eat those people for being hungry. It is more reasonable to say they would be willing to go a little hungry to avoid going against their morals.

[harsh hollow]

This leads to my point that good being a tangible force is a little weird. If they have free will they don't have to be good.

[woven flint]

I think Alignments are important to an extent
But mostly to Extraplanar beings like Demons, Devils, etc

[hushed mason]

But it doesn't make sense.

[feral fulcrum]

The majority of complaints I've seen about the Alignment chart have been mostly in the vein of "I'm tottaly not evil, I just like kicking puppies and stealing from the party." And "Just because I brutally murdered a guy at random doesn't mean I'm not Lawful Good."

[humble cairn]

Again, if they have been written as respecting life and people, as many good dragons are, then it doesn't make sense that they would eat those people simply because they are hungry.

[humble cairn]

Oh I have plent of complaints about Alignment.

[burnt valley]

M*stra should be Chaotic Evil

[fossil hollow]

thats like saying a vegan would eat a horse because they were hungry

[harsh hollow]

Those are understandable complaints, I reckon. People who don't want to own up to ramifications and treat this more like a video game.

[jovial shadow]

The alignment system is just fine. It's not perfect,but what is?

[woven flint]

I wouldn't risk being murdered by the rest of my kind because I got peckish and ate a Sapient being

[plucky finch]

I feel like alignment should be more like a spectrum graph

[fossil hollow]

"Oh no, im hungry and the only thing around me is a horse. im gonna kill and eat it"

[humble cairn]

I'm in favor of just ditching it entirely.

[plucky finch]

trueee

[harsh hollow]

My only complaint with alignment is that it doesn't really seem fitting for players because it seems like it would pidgeonhole your behavior.

[feral fulcrum]

I like it as being just a simple indicator on a Charecter sheet for the kind of Roleplay one can expect from a player.

[humble cairn]

I much preferred PBIF (Personality, Bonds, Ideals, Flaws) because it allows you to cusotmize your own, just write in what makes the most sense for your individual character.

[humble cairn]

RAW it's not supposed to make you act differently, it's just supposed to describe your choices and actions.

[woven flint]

"Adventurers, I'm feeling a bit peckish, would you mind aiding me in finding a meal? And in return I could give you wisdom or treasure?"
Is much more a Metallic dragon thing

[humble cairn]

Alignment is so badly explained in 5E that new players have to go online to find out how to actually use the system. Online they find that there is a different opinion for each "veteran" player out there. Leading the new player to have to basically do a mini research paper sifting through the various essays online to hammer out their own understanding. This time would be better spent playing. Furthermore, Alignment has led to so many game breaking and table ending fights that its value as a system is in the negative in my opinion. I think it's actively harmful to the hobby.

[harsh hollow]

You'd be better off not feeding the troll, I think they're just having fun.

[burnt valley]

If its a game then it can be broken

[woven flint]

True :3
Hai, Danaaa :]

[harsh hollow]

Hello! :3

[woven flint]

How art thou?

[harsh hollow]

Not too bad! You?

[humble cairn]

Now I personally have done a lot of work trying to understand Alignment. It is precisely because I have done so much thinking about it that I finally reached a conclusion that I would prefer it gone entirely.

[plucky finch]

I mean by the wiki my character should be neutral evil, but I treat him more like a selfish, understanding character, that while he values his own goals more often than not, can still show some empathy

[feral fulcrum]

Oooh, they added new emotes.

[woven flint]

Good!
Got a Waterdeep Session "Tomorrow" (in reality Today because it's already tomorrow for me lmao)

[humble cairn]

Write up a good PBIF (Personality, Bonds, Ideals, Flaws) instead, it will work better.

[unreal crescent]

So I have a friend who is new to to the game, and one of the players at level 1 has an ac of 20 how does he get around that without tpk or getting the monster destroyed

[humble cairn]

Saving throw effects.

[woven flint]

It's not because of an inability to argue, it's because of an unwillingness to because you're incredibly unpleasant :>

[burnt valley]

Whats his character sheet

[fossil hollow]

non attack effects. ac doesnt mean you are invincible

[unreal crescent]

So like what?

[fossil hollow]

like ophidimancer said, saving throws

[woven flint]

Inevitables when autoattack

[humble cairn]

Grapple/Shove, area effects spells, spells that paralyze or charm or sleep.

[plucky finch]

make saving throws rather than attacking them

[feral fulcrum]

Spells and breath weapons, and various monster effects. Saving Throws don't care what your AC is.

[unreal crescent]

I see

[harsh hollow]

Last session got really gay between two PCs and then ended on a heartbeeaking cliffhanger for the other PC. Can't wait for next session. :O

[burnt valley]

Will'o Wisps

[humble cairn]

Ooh drama, love it!

[feral fulcrum]

I question how a PC got 20 AC at level 1 however.

[hushed mason]

Yes, I would question that. Explain how?

[harsh hollow]

With the right stuff it's actually not hard. Tortle with the right class.

[humble cairn]

Report and Block, yall, stop feeding energy to the attention vampire.

[fossil hollow]

chain + armor + warforged + defense is the easiest way i can see 20 ac

[umbral girder]

Guys don’t feed the trolls

[feral fulcrum]

Only way I can think of RAW would be 16 ac armor, Shield to bring to 18, Defense fighter thing for +1, and Warforged for the innate +1 to ac.

[burnt valley]

Is this a Warforged Fighter with Half Plate and Shield?

[rough basalt]

Pretty easy.
Warforged Fighter, chainmail, defense style, shield is one way

[burnt valley]

Just have the monster kite him lmao

[harsh hollow]

Oh yes, plenty to go around. x3

[fossil hollow]

grapple, fly drop.

[umbral girder]

Yep the way birds like to hunt turtles

[fossil hollow]

you know how birds will drop shells and turtles on rocks? do that to them

[umbral girder]

Too slow

[plucky finch]

@woven flint the best thing to do to people like this is just block and ignore them, their lack of understanding and inability to actually listen to others will just leave them festering among other people who only gain satisfaction from taking each other’s opinions down and being an ogre when you talk to them

[woven flint]

Freakin' Epicsauce, my dear friend

[woven flint]

Already did lol

[burnt valley]

4 Will'o Wisps can take care of the character

[hushed mason]

Is 4 Wil'o'Wisps suiltable for a level 1 party?

[woven flint]

That sounds scary 😭

[plucky finch]

so I forgot, which metallic dragon is the yapper

[feral fulcrum]

There's a reason my Fairy Wizard insists that all Birds are Fiendish in Origin. (And it's mostly because she's cursed to be eternally bullied by them, and every bird will inevitably try to eat her.)

[woven flint]

Copper!

[humble cairn]

Copper are jokesters, I think?

[fossil hollow]

i thought theyre spies for odin

[burnt valley]

Yes

[plucky finch]

also can dragons get married or have an equivalent “mate for life” type ritual?

[fossil hollow]

yes

[humble cairn]

Sure

[harsh hollow]

The situationship between my character and my friend's character continues meanwhile after a long boat ride out to the sea our Triton friend's underwater town is... not. Something is wrong. :O

[burnt valley]

Make it three if its somehow too much

[fossil hollow]

blue dragons are known to be great mates and parents

[feral fulcrum]

They can be both. It's just that they're all horrible little beaked monsters.

[woven flint]

Lemme find me a blue dragon

[fossil hollow]

you found the kid of one

[woven flint]

Slate isn't the Dracoliches child, dummy smh

[fossil hollow]

akai is half blue, half red, full fulgurite dragon

[plucky finch]

i meant to ask do they have anything like that in the FR setting

[woven flint]

Ohhhhh

[fossil hollow]

yeah?

[humble cairn]

Ah, I'm not sure. maybe ask in #dnd-lore ?

[woven flint]

Lemme rizz him up, even if he's a loser coward guy that prismatic walls

[fossil hollow]

hes pretty pissed the others killed his mom

[woven flint]

Hey, Lockpick didn't kill his mom

That's a skill issue on his behalf for letting it happen, though

[fossil hollow]

doesnt care, youre travelling with the killers (aevum, dremunt)

[woven flint]

We had such a pleasant meeting though

I said hi, asked him to play nice, waved at him...
He said no..
So I shot him with my Crossbow!

Lockpick didn't sign up to join this group, he was under deress because they would've thrown him off the Airship for stowing away!

[junior spade]

What's like a good reason for a character to leave a party, genuinely got no ideas since it wouldn't rlly make much sense of them leaving besides like getting killed

[fossil hollow]

talk to the dm

[junior spade]

He's asking me though

[plucky finch]

do you want to leave?

[junior spade]

I kind of got tired of my current character and want to use my backup one but the dm told me I gotta find a reason for them to somehow leave irp

[plucky finch]

well, is there any party discourse? maybe your character doesnt like someone else’s?

or maybe you could talk with your dm about completing or getting closure on your characters goal

[limber trail]

Character could just get tired of adventuring. They have a wake up call, realize they’re gonna die, and go home to retire

[humble cairn]

Give us a rundown of the character's back story and history with the group.

[fossil hollow]

depression

[junior spade]

Problem is I know like 30% of it because of uh stuff 😭

Character is like a warforged and like lost a bunch of memories after 500 years in the wasteland

We're 600ft deep underground after going down a big rabbithole

Kind of literally

[vernal owl]

Wowza

Thats such a tuff character

[humble cairn]

The stuff you don't actually know in character doesn't really matter then. So that 30% is basically 100%.

[junior spade]

Does my character just dip from saving the world from like a mage virus just because 😭

We're going to the surface soon to warn the ppl up there abt it

[humble cairn]

Again, please give me a rundown of what has happened to your character in game.

How am I supposed to suggest something that makes sense if I have no context?

But I am already beginning to think that you should ask your DM to make up some "unavoidable" hazard that will trap the party down the hole and then have your character heroically sacrifice themselves to allow the party to escape.

No rolls, just a scripted sacrifice scene.

[junior spade]

So after getting discovered by player characters they basically just followed along with them, after making to the first military town thingamabob we meet another dude that came with us (PC). After we were planning to travel to a diff town while in the roads we found like an abandoned house and we found a trapdoor that basically led us to this old underground manor kind of thing and we just traveled w teleportation to the underdark because we followed w this drow group

[hidden spindle]

Walk off into the sunset

[humble cairn]

And make sure to discuss this with the other party members so they don't actually try and save you, but can scream about it in character.

[junior spade]

Now we're just going thru the town to buy stuff and meet w our drow friend to surface after

[humble cairn]

This tells me almost nothing about their mindset and personality, but anyway would my idea work? "I see that in order to save the world from the mage virus, you all must escape this hole, please allow me to facilitate your escape" then sacrifice yourself.

[junior spade]

He's kind of selfish so I can't really see this going through

[humble cairn]

sigh ... see this would have been helpful to know.

[junior spade]

He cares but like depending on the trouble yk..

[humble cairn]

Any other relevant information we should have about your character that will give us context?

[junior spade]

Genuinely nothing to add

[humble cairn]

What does he want? What is his motivation to adventure?

[junior spade]

We're not an adventuring group per say but it's just he has nothing to follow through

So he just comes along with the group

[humble cairn]

You really should have made a character with a motivation to adventure.

But ok, so what if you just say, "Ahh, my memories are returning. I must go."

[pearl hedge]

hello all

[junior spade]

Aye

Don't think the latter is possible I'll just ask my dm to go thru w the gets seperated somehow in the way out

[humble cairn]

It doesn't super matter what memories because they never came up in game, so they might as well not have existed.

[humble cairn]

Why not?

[junior spade]

Their memories aren't really relevant to leaving the group

As he was like 2 years old

[humble cairn]

It doesn't matter what the memories actually are, they are not even true in game since they never came up, just change them. Honestly you don't even have to explain them at all because he's leaving the game.

[quiet mist]

3rd level feature: “you gain a bonus to AC equal to your proficiency bonus”

Thoughts on this.

[digital beacon]

Me and my friends plan on playing the game eventually, we all had never played and I am wanting to make a thri-keen Druid, I cannot afford the $60 it costs for spelljammer. Does anyone have any recourses on how to make a thri-keen character?

[humble cairn]

What is it from? Is it #homebrew? We need context.

[quiet mist]

Hombrew yes

[quiet mist]

Homebrew Warlock subclass third level feature.

[humble cairn]

Better to ask in #homebrew

[zenith heron]

Anybody here have YouTube Premium?

[tame estuary]

I mean if you can't, just play human mechanically. the books are there for you to reference them, if you're running for friends you can also just make up something

[sleek cedar]

ive asked this question like 2-3 times now and gotten zero responses so im just gonna keep posting this once a day til people stop ignoring my ass

idk if i have the cheese touch but if yall could actually acknowledge that for once it would be much appreciated

[sleek cedar]

yes

[zenith heron]

Mind if I DM you rq?

[sleek cedar]

go nuts

[tame estuary]

wow

[sleek cedar]

?

also lily i love your bio

[tame estuary]

see if we're not even buying the idea of the question itself, that shows how much interest there are to it, but who knows, show your stuff, see if anyone wants to buy it, there's the dmsguild if you want to see what people put out

[umbral girder]

Pretty sure that’s just Spam at that point

[sleek cedar]

look at my message history and tell me if it looks like spam to you

[tame estuary]

you're threatening spam friend

[sleek cedar]

i’m…not? one single message a day is not spam lol

[fair summit]

To answer your question, yes people make, sell and buy modules

[sleek cedar]

thank you

[fair summit]

See DMs guild, or roll20 market for two examples where you can find them

[sleek cedar]

i’ve used r20 before, is DMs guild something i can find with an easy googling or do i need a specific link for it?

[fair summit]

Well you can try to google and see if it comes up

[tame estuary]

it would be the first thing that shows up

[fair summit]

Easy check

[night basin]

Taking estrogen so I can do a better lady voice for my female characters?

[tame estuary]

quite a roundabout way

won't help that much for that purpose honestly, and quite the commitment if that's really why you're taking them

jokes aside, if you want to do voices, it's all about energy

[night basin]

Oh, no, obviously I'm not. Was a joke.

Since she's an orc, but a paladin, I'm trying to find a proper voice to do for her, you know?

[zenith heron]

This is a question for the DMs
What's the funniest thing someone crit on that eventually became a running joke in your campaigns?

[marble lion]

Thats gross misunderstanding of his question though. He isnt advertising

Could have been smoother about asking for attention though instead of coming off pouty with "im gonna keep doing this"

[sleek cedar]

i mean i’ve asked several times during both busy and dead hours and got totally ignored so forgive me if im a tiny bit miffed about that

clearly i had to come off pouty to get a response, as annoying as that is

[feral fulcrum]

Third Party Campaigns/Parties are indeed a thing. But I wouldn't make a career out of it.

[tame estuary]

I know people who are selling but no one who's buying

sorry friend

[sleek cedar]

i probably shouldn’t have said career, more like something to supplement my income. i’ve been out of work for quite a while due to some health issues so i’m in the “any little bit helps” camp

regardless thank you for giving me some insight on this guys, i genuinely appreciate it

i suppose i should probably go post some of the art i’ve done huh. brb

alright dropped a bunch into the art channel

[frozen heron]

Guys my D&D beyond account got deleted again for some reason 💔 this is I believe the third time I’ve had to make a new account and lose character progress wtffff

[severe rampart]

Have you tried #ddb-support ?

[frozen heron]

I just submitted a request through the email, hopefully they figure it out this time

[opal wharf]

Are you breaking any TOS sharing content outside of campaign

[frozen heron]

No I don’t even own any books lol

This has happened two or three times before

Once on my mom’s email, so I finally switched over to my own, then it got deleted, made a new one and now it got deleted again

[sleek cedar]

i didn’t even notice that this was an official server, are there ever any WOTC people in here?

(i’m not gonna harass em or whatever im just curious)

[glass granite]

Yes, I believe so

[sleek cedar]

neat

[opal wharf]

Community manager hangs out here, all mods are WOTC contractors and we sometimes get Q&As with devs and writers

[lavish flame]

do we have a 2026 roadmap yet

[hot gate]

Not for official books I don't think.

[sleek cedar]

oh that’s super cool, nice to hear there’s some official presence in here

[harsh hollow]

I do hope we get a roadmap soon, wanna see how all this UA feedback is panning out.

[hoary totem]

Bring back our beloved sorcerers and warlocks

(bottom line for warlocks: bring back ghost in the machine so we can have JUST MONIKA. as a patron)

And also gish sorcerer

[harsh hollow]

That UA is from the beforetimes, I doubt it's going anywhere.

It would be interesting for them to lean into non-Eberron modern stuff again though.

I do like that one of the cantrips from that UA is just being able to remotely turn stuff off and on though.

Your caster roommate turning off the TV with a spell until you pay rent.

[limber apex]

I honestly didn’t like those spells

they didn’t work except with modern technology

other spells work in both a modern and fantasy context

I think those spells were way too specific and they could for the most part be replaced with general cantrips

I could get a dedicated cantrip to use as a remote

but I could also grab Mage Hand and do that and more

I would love the Ghost in the Machine Warlock back, but it has to be a telekenesis thing or something instead of very specifically working only on modern devices

in my world, modern devices do exist but they are very rare and only really found in abundance in 1 area, if a player goes to that area, meets a Ghost in the Machine patron, and makes a pact, I would rather not have their whole subclass and spell list be completely unusable out of that area

[remote wadi]

Any reason Barbarian and Monk wouldn't work as a MC?

Closest thing I saw at the moment was likely needing to have 3-4 stats decently high

[hot gate]

MC? Main character?
Do you need a reason?

[remote wadi]

Multiclass

[hot gate]

ah

[remote wadi]

And not really. Sometimes I like knowing what problems to face beforehand

[hot gate]

Well both of them would work, but the fact that they have a sort of continuous scaling (monk martials arts and barbarian damage bonus) might make you think twice about multiclassing.

[remote wadi]

It would be fun thematically, though

[hot gate]

I wouldn't mc barbarian with a spellcaster either, because of rage.

[remote wadi]

Monk isn't a spellcaster(?)

[hot gate]

Oh you mean explicitly those two together, not separately.

[remote wadi]

Yeah

Would be fun as a half and half thing. Being focused and losing control. Pain being nothing or everything

[glass granite]

Just would be very MAD

Plus, you’d need to go strength monk

[hot gate]

Alright, now that I understood what this is about: I think the main thing that would make me not mc them is the fact that monk really wants to attack with dex and barbarian really wants to attack with strength.

[glass granite]

But it’s not the worst thing ever

[remote wadi]

They can both be reasonably achieved, though

As long as i meet the requirements for the weapons used, weapons and unarmed will have Finesse traits

[glass granite]

Yes, but rage requires strength based rolls

[remote wadi]

Might need to move this to #character-discussion , this will be a doozy

[glass granite]

Lez gooo

[burnt cave]

ya’ll no dnd for 6 weeks has me going through withdrawls

[zenith nest]

I have an idea for my first ever custom DND campaign. I’m just not sure how I feel about it whether it’s a good idea.

[livid slate]

I have a few questions
1 is there any multi class that enjoys being with barbarian?
2 how come stuff like oath of the crown don't force you to make an oath to a God

[livid slate]

Mind telling it?

[glass granite]

2. oath of the crown can be to a civilisation, not necessarily a god

[zenith nest]

I love Game of Thrones so I want to do it with that kind of vibe

[livid slate]

I'm asking why that is, isn't the god the one who feeds the power?

[zenith nest]

So it’s gonna be a bit similar to like Game of Thrones

[idle oar]

At least for #2 question - because a paladins power doesn’t have to come from deities but from their belief in a concept

[livid slate]

Oh?

[livid slate]

They can gaslight into having powers !?

[glass granite]

Iirc by the lore its from their extreme devotion and conviction that channels into power

[glass granite]

That is a crude way to put it, but in a way yes

[livid slate]

That is horribly funny to me

[idle oar]

It’s more of having a deep belief - like “bringing justice/vengeance on wrong doing” and that’s what powers a vengeance paladin

[glass granite]

I’ve always ruled that a paladin that is deluded enough can never break their oath

[round bay]

Hey guys, i have a friend with a Master Tier subscription and he enabled content sharing in my other friend campaign I'm in,

Can i download the shared sourcebooks permanently? If yes i have another question

[livid slate]

What about the first one

[distant sentinel]

I’m new to dnd what channel should I go to?

[idle oar]

There’s no download but you can access that shared content via the app or website as long as you have access through their campaign.

[humble cairn]

#dnd-newcomers

[distant sentinel]

Ty

[glass granite]

I'm less familiar, but a good ol' fighter or moon druid is something

[livid slate]

Moon druid with barbarian?

As in a spellcaster?..

[glass granite]

yes

[livid slate]

Elaborate please ;-;

[glass granite]

Cuz you can rage in wildshape

[livid slate]

Really?

Dang. So why moon druid specifically

[glass granite]

Moon druid is the only druid that likes to wild shape in combat

[livid slate]

The others don't? That I did not know

[glass granite]

They specialise in wild shaping

The CR of a beast for the other subclasses aren't really high enough. Spores and Stars consume uses, but they dont wildshpae

[livid slate]

Oh.

If I would reach max level 8 in a campaign, would it be worth it to get level 6 on druid or better to do 5/3 barbarian

[livid slate]

(Or 6/2 barbarian)

[glass granite]

either 6/2 or 7/1, I'm not too familiar with the build

[livid slate]

Also side question if you can rage during wild shape could you sneak attack too? Or action surge? Whats the rule on that

[hot gate]

You keep your class features, so theoretically yes to both, but sneak attack only works if you actually wield a qualifying weapon.

[livid slate]

It was an example, but interesting. Theoretically does that imply I could spawn a sword as a dog using hex blade?

Is most of the gameplay from artificiers just
Can I make this
No
Can I make this
No
Or is there something funner to it

[stuck shuttle]

Artificers get a set list of magic items they can make, it’s not completely freeform

[livid slate]

But is that the only thing they do?

[knotty pasture]

You can't cast spells (but class features are free game unless these class features have additional requirements, see Sneak Attack), you maintain your concentration if you previously casted a concentration spell

[humble cairn]

No, they are Support Half Casters with subclasses that make them Martial Damage, Martial Control, Full Support, or Ranged Damage.

[glass granite]

Flash of genius is notably a very good feature

[humble cairn]

Their ability to make magical items is a passive support feature, loosely akin to Warlock Invocations.

But in combat they can still dish out damage, support their allies, and control enemies.

[livid slate]

Interesting, what about armoror?

[humble cairn]

That's the one I dubbed "Martial Control."

[knotty pasture]

Artificer but heavy armor

[glass granite]

armorer is fun. They have a cool soft taunt

[glass granite]

a fitting description

[knotty pasture]

(Since tanks don't exist they're more fun than good but hey its nice)

[livid slate]

Whats the martial one then?

[glass granite]

Battlesmith

[humble cairn]

There were two.

[knotty pasture]

Anything's better than Alch

[livid slate]

What does sthat one do?

[glass granite]

You get a Steel Defender buddy

[knotty pasture]

You summon a robot doggo

[glass granite]

if you're smol you can even ride them

[humble cairn]

Battle Smith is slightly more Martial Damage, since they greatly benefit from using magical weapons.

Whereas Armorer doesn't because their weapons are built in from the subclass.

[livid slate]

I want robodog

[glass granite]

not sure how good it is but its cute af (bless my poor autognome battlesmith)

good choice

[livid slate]

Idc about anything else I'm sold on robodog

[glass granite]

How about artillery

[livid slate]

What does artillery do

[humble cairn]

Artillerist is Ranged Damage.

[gleaming owl]

how yall doin

[glass granite]

And also can be support

[humble cairn]

Used to be mostly Cantrip Damage, but now they can used ranged weapons, too.

[glass granite]

I'm doin

[livid slate]

Pretty good

[gleaming owl]

noice

[knotty pasture]

Artillery bombs the life out of people, anyways best subclass

= Battle Smith

[livid slate]

But robodog : (

[humble cairn]

Artillerist is about the "Ranged is superior" life.

[knotty pasture]

Robot doggo comes in a close second if not tying with Artillerist, honestly I think both are excellent in any team

[glass granite]

Battle Smith is a perfectly good subclass
I like armorer personally

[knotty pasture]

Armorer looks way more cool than good but isn't that what dnd is all about?

[humble cairn]

I really really want to play Cartographer.

[knotty pasture]

Alchemist continues to be a mistake 💔

[humble cairn]

Logistical Support

[stuck shuttle]

Cartographer sounds really fun to play yeah

[glass granite]

It used to be battle smith but getting blown up by a holy hand grenade has left me scarred

[livid slate]

It seemed like ability spam fo me tbh

[glass granite]

"ability spam" can be any class

[stuck shuttle]

I’m still a diehard Armorer fan myself

[livid slate]

As in too many class features

[glass granite]

ah

[livid slate]

I got overwhelmed just reading level 3 💔

[glass granite]

haven't read it

[silk hare]

doesnt cartographer get the ability to cast the wayfinding spell without components

so it actually does stuff

[livid slate]

Yeah like a map

[severe rampart]

How so?

[humble cairn]

Being able to coordinate your allies even when you can't see them is great! and I've always been a Support Supremacist, so ...

[livid slate]

Or at least from what I read it adds so many features D:

[severe rampart]

IIRC it's just the subclass?

[livid slate]

For me yeah that subclass seemed to add so many features

Too many imo

[severe rampart]

For artificer?

It's fine as is imo

[silk hare]

I mean artificers are the braniac class anyway, so yeah its more stuff than a lot of other classes

at least by comparison

[severe rampart]

I'm still on the fence whether to multiclass into sorcerer or just get the metamagic adept feat

[silk hare]

artificer- sorc? why

[livid slate]

No for cartographer

[knotty pasture]

Metamagic Adept is kinda eh on non-Sorcs imo

[severe rampart]

Running a blaster bard

[livid slate]

Cartographer had so many abilities at just the first level of getting the subclass D:

[glass granite]

I sometimes take it on arcane trickster for fun

[knotty pasture]

The spells you can use metamagic on are level 1-2 spells and cantrips, I don't think there's any spells that you want to buff metamagic with

[humble cairn]

Initiative Bonus, ally tracking, free casts of Faerie Fire, and free teleports. That's too much?

[silk hare]

ah I see

[silk hare]

that, that is an artificer tho?

[livid slate]

At 3rd level. Compared to other classes that's already a lot

[severe rampart]

Plus draconic sorcery will allow me to increase my AC

[livid slate]

As in just that subclass seemed to have too many features to me

[silk hare]

I see, its really not that much tho

[severe rampart]

Right?

I'm running Conjure Minor Elementals + Upcasted Scorching Ray

[hoary totem]

Casters (including half-casters and magic subclasses), what's your choice of casting focus?

(both flavour/RP and gameplay wise)

[severe rampart]

Flute

[glass granite]

Tattoo of a holy symbol

[livid slate]

Ok so on class features that say that stuff last for example a minute, is it a minute from your turns (so 10 rounds) or a minute using everyone's turn (so in a party of 6 and a boss that's more like 2 rounds)

[knotty pasture]

From when you activated it

So if you used it on your turn, turn 1

It'll expire when its your turn, turn 10

[livid slate]

Yeah felt unfair to me

Aight thanks

[fallen harbor]

hey guys i'm new at DnD

[midnight zinc]

yo!

[severe rampart]

hello! why don't you go and read the "how-to-play" or ask questions in #dnd-newcomers ?

[fallen harbor]

okay i'll do this tysm for help !

[cobalt owl]

You've heard of Clay golem in a gelatinous cube, now you will hear "Fire elemental in an Iron Golem"

[placid goblet]

I want to do a artificer next game, she's a toymaker but does some thievery as a side job, my idea was the stealth suit from the armored and the sneak attack from rogue, do you guys got an idea how to make this viable?

[cobalt owl]

Armorer artificer, infiltrator armor

Get either a vicious weapon or multi into rogue

[placid goblet]

I want to multi into rogue, how many level do you think is good?

[cobalt owl]

Depends on your max level

[eager marsh]

Also depends which one you want more levels in

[cobalt owl]

I'd argue anywhere between 1-3 depending on your game

[placid goblet]

I want to be more of a artificer

[eager marsh]

Both classes prefer being mono class for benefits generally speaking but if you just want a little usually no more than 3 levels to get the subclass

[cobalt owl]

I make the case that rogue is best as a multiclass anyway, but yeah that

[placid goblet]

The rogue only so I can get those crits with the sneak attack

[cobalt owl]

Theres also an argument that the levels you put into rogue can be very easily replaced by a vicious weapon until you go 5 levels deep

[placid goblet]

Vicious weapon?

[eager marsh]

That’s not an argument because magic items aren’t a player facing choice by default

And rogue is a lot more than just sneak attack as well

[placid goblet]

So you would recommend 3 levels in rogue and rest artificer?

[severe rampart]

that's just a poor man's Brazen Bull

[cobalt owl]

shrug

I would recommend Artificer start not rogue start btw

Con save prof is extremely valuable in 2024

I'd argue necessary but table to table subjectivity

[placid goblet]

We are verry chill with combat and rules, it's more of an story driven adventure

[halcyon forum]

I think one level in rogue gives you most of the things you need. Only go 3 levels if you really need a specific subclass

[placid goblet]

Fo you think there is a subclass that would benefit?

Assassin?

[cobalt owl]

Well depends on your books

[placid goblet]

All of them

[halcyon forum]

The only one that comes to mind for me is thief for the toymaker stuff to get fast hands

[cobalt owl]

Thief is very good

People like soulknife for psi dice

[eager marsh]

Psi blades being worse than just taking Nick and not being compatible with it still annoys me

[cobalt owl]

I am also quite privy to scout's skirmisher feature, granted Artificer has one of the most valuable reactions

[cobalt owl]

I wasn't even thinking of psi blades, I was just thinking of the dice

[placid goblet]

Then we go one level rogue and then the rest artificer armorer with the stealth suit

And thanks guys

[eager marsh]

I know you weren’t. It just reminded me about my annoyance with the subclass

[cobalt owl]

Yeah, doesn't help that I also tend to use constructs

[eager marsh]

The only advantage they have over just dual wielding shortswords is the throwing option which isn’t that great

[cobalt owl]

My soul knife player malding when I used constructs for a third of our total combats

[eager marsh]

That’s you deliberately choosing to use enemies that make a specific player’s features more useless and I’d argue that’s a bad thing

[knotty pasture]

Jokes on the Soulknife Rogue, up until level 9 you don't actually have to run Psychic Blades at all

But it does leave a bad taste in my mouth I agree

[eager marsh]

I already pointed out it’s worse than just using Nick and physical weapons yes

Because the secondary attack still eats the bonus action (while also being a smaller die)

[halcyon forum]

The answer is 5 levels in a class that gets extra attack

[soft hare]

Chat chat
I need bardic inspiration that is equal parts inspirational
And equal parts roast

[severe rampart]

You make (skill they're good at) look impressive

[slender mason]

the benefit in my eyes is the ability to take those weapons anywhere, overall

I do sometimes wish there was slightly more crossover between Social and Combat rules for the benefit of classes like Rogue, so weapons like daggers would be easier to hide away

(you can do this with common sense ofc, but)

[severe rampart]

You're not as incompetent as you look

I'm struggling

[hidden spindle]

'24 Soulknife leaves a trace now?

[severe rampart]

I've never had to mix Bardic Inspiration with Vicious Mockery as flavor

[sick summit]

Day 9 of saying [friendly] building sized cats should exist both irl and in D&D

[delicate owl]

Soulknife is indeed obviously pushed towards a campaign where carrying around weapons will be restricted.

Though, it is mostly for flavor in the end, yes. Nothing buffs the blades, but they are essentially required for some of your other subclass features, notably half of the level 9 feature and the level 17 one.

So, I suppose they understood that later on youd find a more potent option, but still want you to take the nerf to use some features that add more onto using them.

[hidden spindle]

Its okay to be in second place in a two-player race

[delicate owl]

The blade vanishes immediately after it hits or misses its target, and it leaves no mark if it deals damage.

You could say it does leave a mark if you miss and/or dont deal damage? But its a psychic blade, it doesnt physically (according to descriptions) interact with anything

[hidden spindle]

Thanks! I missed that

[knotty pasture]

Honestly I wonder if its better if Psychic Blades eventually just give a flat psychic damage buff to your weapons

No way anyone's carrying psychic blades to a T3 or T4 campaign

[humble cairn]

While the psychic knives are the flashy part of the subclass, their best early feature is the ability to establish silent communications over long distance.

[slender mason]

I think part of the problem is Rogues not quite working in their intended tempo

[humble cairn]

Soulknife is not a Damage subclass, it's a Utility subclass.

[slender mason]

conceptually them just wanting one big strong attack is nice, but most players will still want more attacks (sometimes for insurance or to crit fish)

[knotty pasture]

Its also better DPR overall

[humble cairn]

They get basically a version of Rary's Telepathic Bond 6 levels before any caster gets it and later they the ability to very rarely fail any skill checks.

[slender mason]

this and the hidden weapons is why I prefer them for assassin's over the actual Assassin

[delicate owl]

The psychic blades should increase later, I agree. But tbh it allows for easy psychic sneak attacks so

[knotty pasture]

The actual assassin's a bit weird anyways, the level 9 and 14(?) feature are all based on Disguise Self

Which is really situational to begin with

And the final nova damage boost comes at level 17 which is too little too late

[delicate owl]

Assassin is made for an intrigue campain imo. It does not do well in a combat focused one.

[humble cairn]

I don't think there's a problem as long as people understand that Soulknife is not primarily a Damage subclass.

[knotty pasture]

Unless in T1 games or as a dip yea

[humble cairn]

Assassin '24 works better in regular combat than Assassin '14.

[knotty pasture]

The level 17 feature being mutually exclusive with extra attack is so bad

[humble cairn]

Rogues don't get Extra Attack, though?

And 17 levels in rogue preclude getting Extra Attack from multiclassing.

[knotty pasture]

I mean from multiclassing, you can't grab Rogue's level 17 feature and extra attack from multiclassing out by that point

Be a lot better if the level 9 and 17 features are swapped personally

Fighter 11 Rogue 9 sounds excellent

[delicate owl]

Not everyone thinks about multiclassing, nor is it the norm from what ive seen.

[lean wigeon]

i hate multiclassing in 5e with a passion

[delicate owl]

I only consider it for oneshots....

Or the last level in warlock/ranger

[humble cairn]

It's a tool. It has its uses, but often i is over used.

[delicate owl]

But otherwise I would do it if it was narratively compelling. But overall I dislike it.

[knotty pasture]

Bingo table of the list of things that aren't rule breaking but the server hates anyways

[jovial shadow]

I'm not opposed to multiclassing (I don't myself), I am just opposed to optimizing

[hidden spindle]

Assassin is pretty good at acquiring two Tools even if they had absolutely nothing

[humble cairn]

I have no dislike of multiclassing, I use it when I like the mechanical benefits. I just think it's over used and badly used oftentimes.

[worn lagoon]

why

[placid goblet]

I am playing a artificer and want to build a nuke, now my question is: do physics in dnd work as in the natural world, specific the reactions of Deuterium and tritium (german names of the substances)

And if yes, do you have a idea of how to shoot a neutron

[valid geyser]

i mean the dungeon master's guide says that D&D is not a physics simulator and a DM shouldnt have to do something physics based if they dont want to so its completely DM choice if anything like that would work

[delicate owl]

Well in 2024 it is obviously less potent overall due to subclass changes so...

Anywho, don't be so rude. Thanks.

[jovial shadow]

I don't know if nukes have ever existed, but yes things like radiation, ray guns and star ships have existed in D&D official adventures. I believe there was an adventure to prevent a meltdown in Wrath of the Immortals.

[humble cairn]

D&D is not a physics simulator, that's an explicit thing said in the DMG.

[stark maple]

Me when I fall 300ft instantly in dnd

[minor cargo]

To try to spin it more positively, I think a game could center around making a nuclear bomb. But there's so much more that could go into it. It could be a whole campaign!

How do the characters learn the fundamental concepts to even conceive of such a device? Like what natural phenomena happened to make them think about the weak nuclear forces? Heck, how do the characters even know about atomic structures.

Do the gods know about it? Is this divine knowledge? How do the gods guard this information?

What is the purpose of the bomb? Is the party creating it as a weapon to use now? Is it the "Sword of Damacles"? Are they really the heroes in this situation?

In short: "Can I make a nuke in D&D?" I think is a really boring way to frame it.

A better way might be, "How do we create a campaign around the idea of nuclear arms?"

[atomic kayak]

Also nothing about being an artificer makes it easier or even possibly to hypothetically do

[stark maple]

Why would the gods know specifically about a “world ending weapon”

What god in dnd in dnd knows about nuclear weapons

Cause those are purely man made last time I checked

I’m starting to realize how good dnd made monk

[delicate owl]

It is pretty good yes

[knotty pasture]

Wait what's rude about mentioning a bingo list again

Cuz we literally had a phase in #character-discussion where everyone was anti multiclassing to a T

[remote wadi]

Reminds me of the Zackthebold short about the glyph of warding

[remote wadi]

"The gods created fire... but blowing stuff up? That was our idea."
-Stuart Brown

[stark maple]

Exactly

[minor cargo]

Honestly?

Sun gods would know. Stars are nuclear fusion, not fission. But they're obviously based in the same fundamental concepts.

That is, if suns/stars are actually based on nuclear reactions. It's fantasy so they don't have to be. They could be portals to the positive plane or whatever. Totally valid, too.

[round bay]

Hey guys, i have a friend with a Master Tier subscription and he enabled content sharing in my other friend campaign I'm in,

Can i download the shared sourcebooks permanently? If yes i have another question

[minor cargo]

You cannot, no. You could take screenshots or print your screen, but there's no native export.

[stark maple]

A nuke is splitting an atom as well so I ask again what god knows how to do that

[minor cargo]

I dunno.

Gods of destruction. Gods of decay.

It's all fantasy anyways. I don't know how to satisfy your question. 😅

[stark maple]

Whis

[remote wadi]

And buried me alive in the process >:C

[knotty pasture]

Your idea was actually flawed flawed

[stark maple]

Yes lord Beerus how do you split an atom

[knotty pasture]

I was referring to how, during a time, any mention of asking about multiclassing will be grilled with philosophical questions of why multiclassing is a mistake in dnd

[tropic plank]

Do atoms even exist in dnd or is it just magic

[stark maple]

That’s a good question

I wouldn’t know

[knotty pasture]

So the best place to ask about multiclassing ended up being #optimization who would skip through all that

[stark maple]

Magic often overrides physical laws, making the existence of subatomic particles irrelevant

[knotty pasture]

Assuming magic that has something to do with nukes exist, Mystra?

[humble cairn]

The rules don't answer this so it's up to your group to answer it. Personally in my fantasy settings there's no such thing as atoms.

[tropic plank]

With all the restrictions on magic it’s probably only really important gods who can do anything resembling an atom bomb

[stark maple]

Why would Mystra make nukes

[knotty pasture]

Eh I wouldn't say so, Meteor Swarm feels pretty nuke like to me in a way

Mystra would know about nukes is what I'm getting at, cuz magic

[stark maple]

That’s forcing meteors down from the sky to crush people that’s much more then a nuke what is your logic

[remote wadi]

Well, yeah. But it was the "original" being taken way out of the intended context

But even that is mostly me playfully jesting from the above message

[humble cairn]

Possibly Gond. Gond who gifted mortals with something like gunpowder and then at some point decided that was a mistake and simply willed the physical properties that allow gunpowder to work to stop working.

[stark maple]

Gun powder is a far far cry from leveling a city

[knotty pasture]

Surely Meteor Swarm has the ability to level settlements? I don't know the specifics and exacts of the size of Meteor Swarm that being said

[stark maple]

I don’t think it does