dnd-discussion

[north hawk]

As much as I hate buying updated versions of stuff, yeah I would like to see what they do with some of the old subclasses.

I'm really not optimistic about any of the material being released right now. I liked the 2024 Core Rule Books, but everything after has been a mixed bag of junk with a few gems in it.

[unborn lotus]

Yeah that's lowkey my fear haha, Every book must have 6 character options from now on and I'm going to have players asking me for obscure subclasses from random modules forevermore 😢

[stoic haven]

I want Inquisitive and Mastermind to be spread out more thematically and Mechanically to show that

[unborn lotus]

5e had a bit of that problem, but at least most of the cool stuff was in Tasha's, Xanathars & MoTM

[stoic haven]

these were the greatest, with Van Richtens coming up next I believe

[unborn lotus]

Yeah Inquisitive needs a boost - I really love the Sherlock Holmes archetype. Honestly I think Mastermind was never that interesting to me, the name is so cool but then it's supposed to be some kind of tactician? That's not very Roguey to me 🤔

[north hawk]

True. Some of the books were great, some were not.

[stoic haven]

I think of it as Moriarty v. Holmes

[unborn lotus]

I do kinda love that they've been doing a greatest hits of campaign settings right out the gate for 2024, it's a great way to introduce worlds and character options.
I just hope the quality of the books holds up

[stoic haven]

agreed

[warm laurel]

Hey everyone I need a bit of info. I plan on running a campaign around a BodyTaker, but I dont see a lot of info on them or their Podlings.
Do the podlings eat? It says they dont need to sleep, but I imagine they still fake it. Do they need food or water? What about the Bodytaker Plant? Does it get nutrients from those it absorbs, or from the land it's rooted in? Do they have a hive mind, or do they just communicate telepathically?

[unborn lotus]

Because my 5e collection was small and I really like 2024, I'm always frustrated about 2014 things not quite lining up, I bascially ban them in my games.

So I would love for everything to be updated, it just needs to match the format and standard set in the 2024 core books. And also ideally is in as few places as possible, maybe like 4 big update books based on campaign settings, and a monster manual with a bunch of races that would be a great way to update everything important and then they can set their sights on new and bigger things

[lusty tendon]

Also hot take DMPC’s are only bad to a point where they outshine the players or use inside her knowledge

[unborn lotus]

What supplement are you referring to? I've never come across an official "BodyTaker" before... or are you trying to make a possesion based character using D&D mechanics?

[unborn lotus]

Nah always bad. The DM is not a player and if they ever join in player discussions as an important character they destroy the immersion. In combat you hurt the game because the point is it's you versus the players, why are you slowing that down taking your own turns? And out of combat you either don't play the DMPC (in which case it's kinda fine but also kinda moot) or you risk runining your players roleplay opportunities as well.

[loud tendon]

It's in Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft

[unborn lotus]

Taking on both roles steals the only thing the players have away from them - at this point you're running a one man show with the background characters as your players

[unborn lotus]

Oh OP is the DM? sorry for misunderstanding 😅

Unfortunately I don't have the answers I haven't run much Ravenloft and never body takers 😢
I just got confused because I thought you were talking about a player option

[loud tendon]

no.. not at all.. I just knew where the creature was from 🙂

[lusty tendon]

I meant to mention taking a step back from the players (a dmpc where they are more like an npc who runs with the party)

[unborn lotus]

Yeah that's fine, party adopting goblins is a cliche for a reason 🙂

My #1 suggestion for DMPCs is to let a player run them mechanically during combat, they're pretty easy to manage outside of combat but inside of combat they can still hurt the game I think

[lusty tendon]

Now I’m not of true supporting a dmpc but if you know how to run them like a regular NPC so they have some combat option but not outshining the party. I think it’s fine.

Just don’t let them run like 12 D6 per attack

[unborn lotus]

Basically if an NPC ever joins the party their "NPC" status (in a videogame sense) has to be dialed up to 11.
They no longer speak unless spoken to, the follow along obediently and they don't partake in any discussion. And they should also leave the party whenever they want to or when the story no longer calls for them. They are not a fixture of the game, they're just somebody tagging along

[chrome sparrow]

Who has a campaign I can join☺️

[unborn lotus]

Or being dragged along. But yes there's lots of rich story to explore when an NPC is with the party for a leg of the journey

[unborn lotus]

You should check out #find-a-game to learn how the post system works and then head to #looking-for-dm to find a campaign that suits your skill level and timezone 😁

[loud tendon]

check out #looking-for-players - we dont allow group formation outside our LF channels. 🙂

[unborn lotus]

dnd-discussion is not allowed to be used to search for games

[unborn lotus]

By the way you should probably try #dnd-lore if you haven't tried already! Sometimes the niche questions can be a bit beyond the general discussion folks

[hot marlin]

Uh.

There's two of us now. That's new.

[glass granite]

They're duplicating

[unborn lotus]

Wait when did you die?

[glass granite]

Yesterday night for me

[knotty pasture]

Power Word Killed?

[glass granite]

They said "Die" and I died, so i can only assume so

[wanton sorrel]

beholders.... people here voted if i remember correctly

if i was a dungeon master I would get my group to 20

[unborn lotus]

Must've had less than 100hp left

[glass granite]

i have...4

well, had

[lusty tendon]

Rod of absorption moment

[stoic obsidian]

How you dnd party people doing?

[umbral girder]

Only if you have a reaction notably. Or a Rod of Absorption.

[stoic obsidian]

Rod of absorption

Oh it, absorb single target spells

[unborn lotus]

I'm hopeful the party pun was deliberate and want to say it's clever. 👏

[stoic obsidian]

It was in fact was

[remote wadi]

So, how many proficiencies do you get for Multiclassing into Rogue?

[stoic obsidian]

I am currently playing a college of spirit kobold bard with a level in rogue

[unborn lotus]

Resent actually a typo I meant to say want 🤣

[remote wadi]

Is it 2 or 4?

[unborn lotus]

Didn't mean to be mean

[unborn lotus]

2014 or 2024 Rogue?

[remote wadi]

14

[stoic obsidian]

1

Well 2

For you gain proficiency with thieves tools and one skill proficiency

[umbral girder]

2

[remote wadi]

I think the option for the thieves tools is an expertise

[stoic obsidian]

I think it works story wise for my character for how they fight

[stoic obsidian]

Actually it to have expertise for thieves tools

[umbral girder]

You get 2 expertise and they have to be a Skill your are proficient in or Thieves tools (you are proficient in)

[glass granite]

1 skill from the rigue list, plus thieves tools, plus expertise in two skills

[remote wadi]

Can it be 2 from the rogue list if I choose not to do thieves tools?

[umbral girder]

“Light armor, one skill from the class’s skill list, thieves’ tools” -Player’s Handbook 2014

So it’s 1 skill and Thieves tools it seems.

In the Multiclassing rules section.

[hot marlin]

I have been summoned!
Sorry I'm very very late. To answer the question: The Netherese empire actually fell in -339. Cormanthyr was also a thing, but it had not yet become the bastion of tolerance that opened its doors to other species. Still, it was one of the most powerful empires of the time.
Illefarn back then was also at its peak, preparing to defend against Netherese aggression

[umbral girder]

I think I got it confused with 2024 rogue.

[remote wadi]

Very well, then. Proficiency in Stealth it is

[stoic obsidian]

The multiclass of rogue and bard is a skill monkey juggernaut

[proper chasm]

thx

[umbral girder]

Bard, Rogue, and Ranger seem to give 1 skill each in 2014

[stoic obsidian]

I meant for the expertise buff

[hot marlin]

Of course, those were also the horrible years of the Phaerimm at their peak. The Phaerimm which were also answered by the Sharn, who notably did not care about much besides destroying the Phaerimm

[umbral girder]

Tasha’s Ranger gives that at level 1 as well.

[stoic obsidian]

And?

[hot marlin]

By which I mean that most Sharn would not hesitate and would just meteor swarm a halfling village if it killed a few Phaerimm

[stoic obsidian]

Maybe I exaggerate a bit, but it still pretty nice to have a lot of expertise

[hot marlin]

Remember a trick about FR lore: In those years, mages were a lot more powerful. The fall of Netheril, the fall of Illefarn and the fall of Cormanthyr destroyed great institutions of magical learning. The generations that followed simply did not have access to that knowledge and training

[glass granite]

Take a level in knowledge domain too, cuz why notttt

[hot marlin]

Modern wizards are on average simply worse than the wizards of that time

[stoic obsidian]

Nah, it wouldn’t work story wise for my character

[remote wadi]

Then for the expertise, I can just choose Stealth and Thieves kit

And then probably at rogue 6th level, insight and investigation

[glass granite]

With your feat rules, bloodline, you can also take skill expert with this

[umbral girder]

Honestly stats wise Knowledge would work with Ranger and Rogue and Wisdom is tied with Intelligence for most stats buffed. Wacky skill monkey.

[stoic obsidian]

Wait nugget your a dead platypus are perhaps friends with Perry

[umbral girder]

Add a Fey Wanderer and you now got Charisma skills handled too.

[glass granite]

You're a human (i think), are you friends with John WIck?

[hot marlin]

John Wick is not a human

John Wick is a movie character, not real. Humans are real.

[glass granite]

Same with Perry tho, no?

[hot marlin]

Perry is also not a platypus. Because, and this may sound crazy, but there's a good chance that platypuses are actually real

[stoic obsidian]

Are we real or just fictional people in someone’s mind?

Just kidding

[hot marlin]

Well I still have no proof that other people exist and are not just a figment of my imagination

But I'm going to say that whether or not other people are real is a strong "probably"

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah, best not dwell into fiction or you start confusing it with reality

[hot marlin]

In theory I cannot doubt that I am real, because even if I try to doubt my own existence, the fact that I am doubting is proof of my existence. Everything else can be doubted

[stoic obsidian]

And even if you aren’t real, you are in fact real to yourself

[hot marlin]

Yep. As I cannot approach objectivity, I must consider reality subjectively. Something is real to me

And I am real to me. But I might not be real to someone else.

[unborn lotus]

Is doubt enough to prove existence? I doubt it.
The only thing we can say certainly exists is doubt itself

[remote wadi]

Okay, genuine question

[delicate owl]

I see it is the existential theory slot of time on the server today

[deep nova]

Hey guys! me and my friends r new to dnd and looking 4 a group :3 lmkkkkk pls text will send our charactersheets

[hot marlin]

"Real" therefore becomes a relational quality rather than a necessary one

[remote wadi]

Take 6 levels in Rogue or 3 for Assassin and another 3 for Fighter and Champion?

[barren kraken]

Anyone good at voice acting or like something like dat?

[deep nova]

yessss

[unborn lotus]

You should check out #dnd-newcomers to ask questions and discuss playing the game, and then head over to #find-a-game to learn how the game search system works on this server

[unborn lotus]

What for?

[barren kraken]

can you send me a voice message

[naive cedar]

Beholders are metaphors for the modern surveillance state

[barren kraken]

a game

Characters

[stoic obsidian]

Oh yeah I gotten to play more dnd and I am enjoying it

[hot marlin]

I think Beholders are a metaphor for the postmodern condition

[lean wigeon]

i wish i had a dragon boyfriend

[barren kraken]

huh

[lean wigeon]

i wish i had a dragon boyfriend

[hot marlin]

Think about it: Beholders don't just perceive. They have eye rays. For a Beholder seeing something is transforming that thing.

[barren kraken]

why, like a furry?

[honest lodge]

You would probably be dead

[limber trail]

It'd be a scaley

[hot marlin]

The Beholder is in a constant dialogue with the things it perceives. It modifies them. And since Beholders are paranoid, they are modified too.

[barren kraken]

oh

[hot marlin]

I think the term is scaly

Damn, Knome was too fast.

[naive cedar]

Keep cooking

[barren kraken]

lol

wait so is that a no to the voice acting

dif server ig

[hot marlin]

In conclusion: Beholders are forever removed from the position of being an actual neutral observer. They modify what they perceive, and what they perceive fuel their delusions, which further modify what they perceive through their ability to make their dreams and nightmares become real.
For beholders, the distinction between truth and fiction collapses

Beholders are us in the social media age.

[naive cedar]

wiping tears from eyes

[limber trail]

Would you then say that, in a sense, the paranoia a beholder perceives is not perhaps one to outward threats, but rather a paranoia toward itself, and their isolationist mindset stems not from a one above all mentality where they percieve themselves as being greater than the whole, but rather an insecurity where they perceive themselves as being lesser than or in direct contradiction/threat to the whole?

[hot marlin]

Here's the thing: Do beholders really have a notion of "outward threats"? Remember: Beholders make their dreams come true. The things that come from within them become things outside them. Nightmares of Beholders become other Beholders.

So yes. Their insecurity is the cause of their paranoia.

[limber trail]

I am trying to find a way to join in on this bit in a way that isnt akin to a toddler trying to assist building a house of cards and I cannot, simply masterful work on your part, I concede

[hot marlin]

They are constant self-fulfilling prophecies. Like someone ranting on Facebook or other social media about whatever new moral panic has taken over the algorithm

But to us, the algorithm of social media, which create the paranoia, are still outside us. To Beholders, the algorithm is them.

They are their own worst enemies.

[umbral girder]

Eh if it’s a metallic it would be fine. Shapeshifters and rather good hearted.

[brave folio]

Would it be weird to have a multi class character as a beginner

[hot marlin]

Weird, no

Would it be a good idea? Probably not

[late kernel]

Me too.

[uneven arch]

Hey, new guy here and trying to find a group to play with, where can I find people

[stuck shuttle]

If you’d like to use this server to find a game, the instructions to do so are in #find-a-game !

[marble tangle]

Ho do I make a character. Videos I watch leave gaps and idk what to do.

[idle oar]

Check the 2nd chapter of the free basic rules

[cosmic roost]

Welcome to Adventure!

Visit #learn-to-play for everything you need to get started!

• [What is D&D?](#learn-to-play message)
• [How does it work?](#learn-to-play message)
• [Where do I join?](#learn-to-play message)
• [Frequently Asked Questions](#learn-to-play message)

Quick Links

Basic Rules | Introductory videos | Create a character

[idle oar]

It goes through the process step by step

[marble tangle]

I see if it can help me

[idle oar]

WASD20 on YouTube has a good video tutorial on putting together a character sheet as well

[lusty tendon]

Scariest thing i found when making my arcane trickster character is that if i multi class into wizard (which i am) and pick blade singer (which im not) my ac without armor is 20, and with mage armor it goes to 23 and with shield it goes to 28ac

I can make a character unironically with an ac higher than a tarrasque

[idle oar]

Mage armor does not stack with armor and shields…

[lusty tendon]

Sheild spell

[idle oar]

Ah!

Then temporarily better armored than most things!

[lusty tendon]

I dropped my armor for mage armor funnly

+1 leather < +3 magic

[empty thicket]

Mage armor is just an option for light armor users

[lusty tendon]

Oddly no, no armor equiped at all

[empty thicket]

Cheaper than a breastplate or chainmail

[empty thicket]

oh? how so? its none armor totally?

[lusty tendon]

Yeah no armor which is perfect for my guy as he wears a trench coat and can have the fancy drip while being immune to attacks

Im playing order of scribes/ arcane trickster magic detective

[supple skiff]

whats the main difference between a monk and a unarmed fighting fighter

the goal is to go for a no magic bare knuckle archetype

[lusty tendon]

One considers fists as actual “weapon” attacks, one is just a simple 1d4 and only strength while monk uses dex(optional)

And ki points

[hidden spindle]

Everyone is proficient in Unarmed Strikes

[lusty tendon]

Mb i just looked it up yeah everyone is

[empty thicket]

Monk having lots of bonus actions, more centered in dodging, mobility , get lots of features per level. Can turn his fits into force damage that is in fact the damage that less enemies or almost none have resistance against it

[supple skiff]

which attacks harder/more

[empty thicket]

Monk

[lusty tendon]

Monk by far

But a level 2 dip into fighter can allow for action surge, if you are into multi-classing that is

[supple skiff]

is a monk tied to religion per se

[umbral girder]

Wouldn’t help much tbh. There is a lot of ways around it.

[empty thicket]

no, its mostly like, a path to self illumination most of the time.

But now the thing is, monk is like the literally opposite of fighter
While monk cant access to any weapon fighter access to all of them.
Monk move and dodge, fighter stand his ground and dominate

I would recommend fighter most of the time because you have access to a lot of stuff.
While monk is less.... "open" in lots of stuff

[noble spire]

is it a dumb idea for someone whos quite new to d&d to DM for experience? i kind of see myself having more fun being the DM and crafting the world how i see fit but im like really new to d&d, only been in 1 campaign so far

[snow zephyr]

Iirc, technically none of the classes are strictly tied to deity worship

[supple skiff]

clerics in a sense

[empty thicket]

Welp, it take more effort to DM, but its possible to at first experiences do it

[snow zephyr]

Clerics can strive towards an ideal instead of worshipping a pantheon,and paladins use the power of pinky promises

[noble spire]

ya it would for sure take more effort but it isn't unrealisstic in your opinion?

[umbral girder]

Domains more than Gods

[stuck shuttle]

Nope, plenty of people have had their first experience with D&D by DMing

[noble spire]

ah cool, thats relieving to hear

[empty thicket]

nope, you can do it and would be fine. But considerate that too, start with oneshots, test how you feel the experience and then see to start a campaign

[noble spire]

oh thats true, i could totally do that

[stuck shuttle]

Yup, I recommend doing a short prewritten adventure before branching out into longer adventures or even your own custom one

[snow zephyr]

It's how I started

[noble spire]

is it really important that its prewritten or could i get away with making my own story as long as I have a good idea

[snow zephyr]

Read the phb and buy a monster manual

[empty thicket]

In each oneshot experiment with stuff, interactions, parties, enemies, etc. etc.
Something light so there isnt a whole engineering to make it fit into a world and finally and for me most important
Plan the things in the failure of your players, i mean that dont plan something in "oh, if they get a roll in this and made it then they move into the next area", think that every roll will be a failure and work on it

[zenith crow]

Hey I’m new and have kind of an understanding of what the game is is anybody making a group willing to walk me thru it?

[stuck shuttle]

It’s possible for sure but a prewritten helps you get a hand for nonobvious skills like pacing, encounter design, loot adjudication, maps, etc

[snow zephyr]

Then run wild and free, improvise like there's no tomorrow

[noble spire]

i would love to improvise but if yall heavily emphasize having a prewritten one then i will do so

[supple skiff]

so i have a weird concept

a paladin that gets powers not from a deity but a constant self reassurance that he is the greatest

is this smth thats possible?

like believing so hard that he manifests powers

[stuck shuttle]

That’s pretty much a default Paladin. They already get powers from conviction instead of a deity

[snow zephyr]

I'm a tabula rasa DM, make it up session 1 and keep going

[stuck shuttle]

Specifically, it sounds like an Oath of Glory

[noble spire]

i see, that def works in some cases but id honestly benefit from doing a one-shot, and probably a prewritten one at that

[snow zephyr]

Phandelver is excellent for starting up

[snow zephyr]

They do in 5e at least

[noble spire]

ooh cool! these campaign books, are they like actual stories or just story-lines for one to follow? sorry if this question is dumb haha

[stuck shuttle]

They’re storylines, so players have the opportunity to affect the story

If you wanted a free offering, Peril in Pinebrook is a good introductory adventure

[snow zephyr]

There are very few if any dumb questions, and that is not among them. The Lost Mines of Phandelver is from the starter box, I don't know what the current version is called

[stuck shuttle]

The current one is Phandelver and Below: The Shattered Obelisk

[noble spire]

ill start researching up some pre-written adventures, thanks for the help everyone!!

[modern steppe]

I'm new, what do I do and where do I go?

I got DND Beyond.

[snow zephyr]

#dnd-newcomers

[hot marlin]

1. You read the basic rules
2. You try to find a game

[modern steppe]

Got it.

[hot marlin]

For more details, the newcomers channel is indeed the place to go

[modern steppe]

Would anyone wanna be with a new person?

[snow zephyr]

As long as you read your rules you shouldn't have a problem finding a game

[hot marlin]

Yes. Assuming you still mean D&D and not, like, dating /j

[undone rain]

Of course they would, we all start somewhere dont we?

[modern steppe]

I might have a confession.

[snow zephyr]

But seriously, please read your rules and think about your turns in combat before your turn comes around

[modern steppe]

Study, got it.

I watch a lot of stranger things, season 1, can dnd games actually take 10hrs?

[snow zephyr]

Depends

[modern steppe]

I don't have stamina to play for 10hrs 💀

[snow zephyr]

Most sessions are around 3-5 hours

[modern steppe]

Got it. 😬

[empty thicket]

2 hours to 4, dont need to make longer than needed and honestly, if the session isnt too exciting or is toooo slow 4 hours is hard to reach

[runic pewter]

Hello

[empty thicket]

hello there

[runic pewter]

How are you?

[empty thicket]

Melting alive, the summer is killing me, excited because next weekend might play DnD, finally will fight against the boss we left before

[snow zephyr]

I run longer games, but that's because my group is once a week

[modern steppe]

I Hate reading though, is there any good videos?

[snow zephyr]

I have bad news if you hate reading but want to be a DM

[modern steppe]

What's DM? 😭

[snow zephyr]

Being a DM is like 40% reading. Dungeon Master, the person running the game for the players at the table

[runic pewter]

Lucky, I'm cold lmao! Plus hazardous every morning driving to my college

[hot marlin]

There is no video good enough to substitute for simply reading the rules of the game

[marble lion]

Being a dm is definitely not 40% reading

[empty thicket]

yep, almost same thing here. Might got back into one that was in pause for the DM studies

[marble lion]

And while you will be looking up rules frequently, at least at first, videos can 100% teach you most of it

[supple skiff]

could you elaborate?

[snow zephyr]

D&D has two player types: the " Dungeon Master" who plays all the NPCs, narrates the situations, and arbitrates the rules; and there's the "players" that build individual characters that play in the world the DM creates

[supple skiff]

like i get that this is a glory paladin

[marble lion]

The thing dms read most are character sheets/stat blocks id say

But thats hardly reading....

Unless you run modules. You need to read the module to run it
Homebrew dming needs minimal reading though

[modern steppe]

I have a lot to learn.

[marble lion]

Eh not that much

[modern steppe]

Ya sure?

[marble lion]

Learn the different roll types, how to make a full character and run a fake combat and youve got most of it covered

The challenging part of dming has nothing to do with dnd rules

[modern steppe]

Would I be good enough to join Hellfire?

[marble lion]

Its the writing of characters, stories etc

[marble lion]

I dont know enough about them but i feel like theyd be excited to have a new friend, even if he was a complete beginner, so yes

[warm summit]

Could play a more rules light system like cairn, it's free and the rules are only a couple pages

[modern steppe]

Let me look

[warm summit]

It's a stranger things reference

[modern steppe]

Don't see it on beyond

[marble lion]

I knew that

[warm summit]

It's a different system

[marble lion]

Thats why i still gave my guesstimate opinion

Otherwise i couldnt even have given that statement

Its interesting that the new season of st is bring so many dnd ppl in

While i know it has dnd in it, i never thought it was in any way properly explored

I watched season 1 and the extent of dnd content is seeing a few kids playing a boardgame and calling the monster demogorgon

[stuck shuttle]

Paladins get their powers from their oath. Their convictions are so strong that they get powers from it. A classical Paladin may swear their oath in the service of or to the ideals of a deity, but it’s not necessary

[marble lion]

Like a war on drugs

[modern steppe]

Is Vecna and Demogorgon real in DND?

[marble lion]

Yes

[hot marlin]

Those are the names of two D&D characters. They have absolutely nothing to do with the Stranger Things characters named after them

For more details: Demogorgon is a demon lord with two heads and tentacles in the place of arms. He is currently the most powerful demon lord and has the title of "prince of demons". A courtesy title that does not actually mean much.

Vecna is a wizard from Oerth who turned himself undead to become immortal, a process called lichdom. He then ascended to godhood.

They both feature in some adventures and novels, and are mentioned in multiple lore pieces.

They are both extremely high level monsters. A party below level 17 has likely no chance. They are supposed to still be hard fights at level 20

[empty thicket]

yep, vecna is like, top tier entities in DnD

If you heard such name in an area or somewhere, you avoid that area until you are strong enough

its like hearing that punisher from Marvel is in the town ad you are a criminal. You want to avoid it at all cost

[final oracle]

I honestly think one of the worst things ever is waiting 3 hours for your new character to be introduced lol

[empty thicket]

Trust me, there will be worse things

And better too, its never all bad

[hot marlin]

I think my biggest annoyance, and I know it's a petty one, is that D&D angels are supposed to be servants of good gods.

But they're the good celestials. Like...Demons, devils and yugoloths all have their own lore. They are not automatically servants of evil gods.

[glass granite]

No, I’m Nugget. But thank you

[hot marlin]

Please find a new joke

I am getting scared of using the word "to be" in your presence because I just know the dad joke is coming

... Don't do it. Don't you dare do it.

[stray atlas]

random question, what do false hydras do specifically?

[reef copper]

Ah, a weakness to dad jokes i see, this vulnerability might be useful against incubuses to fend them of from stealing your soul

[stray atlas]

mess with memory? create illusions?

[reef copper]

Mess with memory on a large scale, gaslighting whole communities to hide amongst them

[hot marlin]

Technically nothing. False hydras are not an actual D&D monster, they've never been published or referenced by any D&D product

[stray atlas]

they haven't?

[glass granite]

They’re fan made iirc

[hot marlin]

And the actual answer depends on which homebrew or third party statblock you will be using for a false hydra

[stray atlas]

that's surprising, I've heard more about them than beholders and tarrasques which are kinda the faces of dnd for monsters

[hot marlin]

The power of memes.

[stray atlas]

hell I thought beholders were the dark ages version of pain elementals when I first saw one

[hot marlin]

It's a bit like the Gargantuan Leviathan in Subnautica discourse. The way people talk about it, you'd be forgiven for not knowing that in the actual game they've been extinct for millions of years and that their design and appearance is fan-made for a rather poor quality mod

[remote wadi]

Want to ask chat quick question about sniper build

[reef copper]

We are all controlled by something greater, memes.

• monsoon

[hot marlin]

Eventually fan discourse around something grows so much that they forget it's nothing more than fan discourse

[remote wadi]

Already got 5 levels in Ranger

Get the other 6 in Rogue or should I do 3 for Assassin and 3 for Champion?

[glass granite]

I wouldn’t triple multiclass

[wanton sorrel]

why not?

[burnt valley]

X Ranger and 3 Rogue is good enough tbh

[knotty pasture]

Triple multiclass is fine

[glass granite]

Yeah, I just like having higher level class stuff
Also, only fine if you know what you’re doing

[remote wadi]

Would be a bit interesting for the extra crit chance on attacks (especially when I will have 2 attacks minimum and advantage often)

[burnt valley]

no need for critfishing

[remote wadi]

But I don't know if Rogue gets much from levels 4-6 to warrant 3 more levels

[knotty pasture]

Just looking at the guide I refer to for the ultimate Gloom Stalker, its:

5 Ranger/1 Cleric/3 Fighter/2 Warlock by level 11

[reef copper]

Triple multiclass is more for when you want a niech. Maybe like a arcane trickster wizard with a few levels sorcerer for metamagic for stealth spells.

You usualy become weaker when multiclasing but there are strong combos

[hot marlin]

It's a strange thing, really. I think the popularity of the false hydra and of the gargantuan leviathan comes from a conceptual level. It speaks to a part of the brain that wants a cheap gimmick. So "It's biiiig" and "it makes you forgeeet" gets you a very banal form of horror that lacks any depth and gets repeated ad nauseam.

[remote wadi]

I'm a little scared to ask why the 1 in cleric

Either way, can't and won't do that anyways due to poor Charisma

[hot marlin]

Everyone wants to make a video about the false hydra, because it's easy. Steven Moffat wrote two pretty good Doctor Who episodes on the same concept.

[wanton sorrel]

i think i still perfer xp than milestone

[glass granite]

I was actually gonna suggest a possible one level cleric dip
Peace Cleric or Knowledge Cleric looks fun

[hot marlin]

But that's the thing with the False Hydra's cheap gimmick: It doesn't work if you know about it. So really the monster exists only for youtube videos and tik toks and other forms of content. There is no point to making it actually appear in your game

[knotty pasture]

Buffs your Goodberries

Otherwise go Forge, Twilight or Peace Cleric

[reef copper]

How so? Now im curious

[wanton sorrel]

more monsters more xp... than a milestone

[knotty pasture]

Also gives you Guidance, Bless, Sanctuary

[reef copper]

Milestones are literally when the dm finds a lvl up appropriate

[remote wadi]

How exactly would it buff it?

Anyways, to critfish or not to critfish? That is the question

[glass granite]

1. Cleric subclass features are kinda insane
2. id say no

[remote wadi]

Meant to reply to this

[icy plaza]

Honestly I like Milestone more

[wanton hull]

Yo are there any races with a feature similar to lucky other than hafling or is it just them?

[wanton sorrel]

so almost like level synch... i perfer to be over leveled

[empty thicket]

im going one too, but for now im lvl 3 with hunter conclave, giant slayer.
Sharpshooter too
The thing is i didnt took any offensive so i got paid for it

[reef copper]

So it can be faster or slower than xp, and it makes so you can skip over larger engagements and still give levels. Like a war for example

[knotty pasture]

Adds a final 2 + spell slot level healing to your healing spells

[wanton hull]

Milestones let stuff stay balanced so I’d say it’s better

Well, more easily balanced

[empty thicket]

"so guys, erm... you all would like to level up?...2 times..."
The party:

[glass granite]

Bet!
Time to murder this thing

[knotty pasture]

You approximately get 4x healing output compared to normal with Goodberry alone

[warm summit]

Idk XP bean counting can get annoying

[empty thicket]

First turn, the paladin is 1/5 of hp from just one attack of the boss.
Pray.

[remote wadi]

Got it. So, why shouldn't I get those 3 extra fighter levels?

[glass granite]

Actually not as bad as I thought

[hot marlin]

This is called a sprint fight. Don't heal the paladin. Focus on doing as much damage as possible to that boss.

[empty thicket]

more if you considerate that isnt only killing, its about a lot of situations that make you get the XP

[empty thicket]

got something like that, 2 of 4 of the party got downed and i dealt 60% of the boss hp. Like being the DPS but in one round they downed me

[reef copper]

Action surge is probably the main thing from fighter so you can double the attacks, idk why the third level is there though, maybe for extra dmg per attack

[empty thicket]

I got plumbered, 4 attacks on me, 2 each enemy and i got my whole head spinning like some beyblade

[empty thicket]

Champion, the critic feature

[soft hare]

Hey chat
If I fully engulfed a werewolf in mud to prevent moonlight from touching it would it revert back to human form?

[glass granite]

Don’t think so

[hot marlin]

Fun fact: Back in third edition the dominant optimization advice was "never take more than two levels of fighter"

[jovial shadow]

of course not

[hot marlin]

D&D werewolves have nothing to do with the full moon.

Well it's more complicated

[remote wadi]

I just want to know if those extra 3 levels would damage my character too badly

[knotty pasture]

Warlock spell slots auto cast at the highest level so goodberry synergy, Warlock spell slots mean you have even more slots for PWT

Hexblade's Curse increases your damage output by reducing crit roll requirements by 1

[hot marlin]

Lycanthropes can transform whenever. The only thing the full moon does is that it's impossible to resist taking beast form under it.

And it's not "when they see the full moon". It's just when the moon is full.

[knotty pasture]

Fighter levels only give you an extra feat, the extra attacks at Fighter level 5 don't stack

[remote wadi]

Can't do that, it's gotta be Fighter

[remote wadi]

It would only be 3 levels for subclass

[glass granite]

What’s your Cha looking like?

[glass granite]

3 levels is a lot

[remote wadi]

8

[glass granite]

Oof

Genuinely tho Bloodline if I was in your shoes I’d go full skill boy

A level in rogue, a level in Knowledge Domain, both taking skill expert

[knotty pasture]

A homebrew rule stops Warlock spell slots from being cast at the highest level?

[remote wadi]

Maybe, but what would I even get from those extra 3 levels in anything?

[remote wadi]

13 charisma required, I have 8

[knotty pasture]

Ask for a respec

[remote wadi]

Why?

[knotty pasture]

Because Warlock

[glass granite]

Yeah I don’t think it’s necessary here

[remote wadi]

I don't even need Chr

[limber trail]

I think a warlock multiclass here is overly decadent and doesnt add to the build

[knotty pasture]

Hexblade buffs your damage output more than Fighter in this context

[glass granite]

I agree with the first point

It does add something tho

[limber trail]

This is for a sniper build, if my understanding is correct. The curse has a range of 30 feet. A sniper will be well out of range.

[remote wadi]

So the options are
3 levels in Fighter, 3 in Rogue
Or all 6 in Rogue

[reef copper]

Asking for a respec is possibly one of the most annoying things i can imagine to be asked.

Personally stats represent part of the characters ability and personality and i would not like to do edits to a character like that.

[remote wadi]

Is it worth getting action Surge for even more burst damage?

[knotty pasture]

Well yes you should have 3 levels in Fighter at least

[glass granite]

I’d go all in rogue
Heck I’d go 6 ranger 5 rogue personally just for more spells

[knotty pasture]

Before going Rogue

[remote wadi]

And crits on a 19 and 20 when I have 2 attacks a turn and frequent advantage

[limber trail]

I'd go five or seven in rogue just because the better sneak attack is more valuable in the long term than either the lowered crit chance or the more attacks

[remote wadi]

I don't gain more spells from a 6th Ranger level

[glass granite]

You don’t get more spell slots?

[remote wadi]

Nope. Still 4 and 2

[knotty pasture]

You also just need to curse someone within 30 ft once and back off immediately after

[glass granite]

Oh you don’t. Hm

[knotty pasture]

"Attacking 6 times with the bonus damage from Hexblade’s Curse is enough to compensate for the loss of our bonus action attack, so this will aid us in having an even bigger nova. The downside is that we need to be within 30 feet of our target to curse them—a task made substantially easier by using a mount."

[glass granite]

There’s a Natural Explorer and Favored Enemy buff ig

[remote wadi]

You know what? I'll just go 6 Rogue, 5 Ranger

If it doesn't work out too well, I just search for a one shot campaign to experiment with

[knotty pasture]

There he goes again monologuing

[remote wadi]

Well, not trying to sound rude

Just trying to go "Lunch is almost up, here is my verdict before I dip"

[limber trail]

Yeah this is what I'd go for, that extra d6 of sneak attack even on its own is so valuable, probably over time it equals out to match the extra damage you'd get from all those crits if you can sneak attack consistently.

[glass granite]

Tbh in your situation I’d do 5 ranger, 5 rogue, 1 cleric

About cuz of your homebrew feat levels

[remote wadi]

Did I forget to mention Chunky crits are a thing?

[knotty pasture]

If Warlock is truly not an option, do 5 Ranger 1 Cleric 3 Fighter 2 Rogue imo

[glass granite]

Even then

I’d say sneak attack is more consistent and easy than a three level multiclass

[limber trail]

I may not have seen it, but.... even then, building around crits is great until you don't crit. I've had some long fights not critting ever.

[remote wadi]

I'll just stick to 5 and 6

Would be fun otherwise, but wouldn't make sense thematically

[limber trail]

more base damage is gonna let you kill more things more consistently. That's what it's about. A crit is nice but the problem with building around going nova is you run out quickly

[remote wadi]

Fair enough

5 and 6 it is. Catch you all later

[limber trail]

gl o7

[knotty pasture]

Hope you can hypercarry with that build

[empty thicket]

what kind of fruit salad are you trying to do?

[limber trail]

hypercarrying isn't really that fun for anyone

[knotty pasture]

I can't believe none of you are appreciating art that is tabletop builds' flagship Ranger build

[remote wadi]

Hypercarry? Nah, screw that. I just want to play a fun and thematic sniper

[glass granite]

Yay

[knotty pasture]

Oh look character development, nice

[glass granite]

We thought the exact same thing lol

[remote wadi]

Dude, I've had that development. I just needed to find the balance

[limber trail]

Hypercarrying winds up with most of the table being ineffectual, one player being forced to play the bulk of an encounter, and a DM struggling to balance combats and make them fun

[knotty pasture]

You never had that development until now lol

I mean its still anything goes atm, if you do end up coming back and complaining about how you have to put in 150% effort just to carry your team of dummies...

[glass granite]

Oh maybe a level in war cleric could be cool thematically

[empty thicket]

and why not a level in sorc so you can use metamagic and change the spells from ranger

[burnt valley]

He gotta experience it tho, hes been talking on how the dice been screwing him up

[glass granite]

8 charisma

[burnt valley]

So might as well let him have it

[limber trail]

oh wait this is bad dice roll guy

[glass granite]

Yes

[knotty pasture]

Lmfao glad we're all on the same page now

[empty thicket]

ugh... so no bard, paladin, sorc or warlock

[glass granite]

Nope

[knotty pasture]

I don't think Sorc is the way to go here assuming you aren't just snarking the idea of multiclassing 4+ classes

[remote wadi]

He's a bounty hunter that works in dark places. Gloomstalker and Assassin would probably be the best combo for thematic and effective

[knotty pasture]

(The final build at level 20 is meant to be a 6 class mix for the record)

[limber trail]

I think when in doubt, less multiclasses is better.

[empty thicket]

if its part fighter then it have 13str, so he can go barbarian for rage and get more damage in general

[knotty pasture]

Ranger Barb is certainly quite the take

[remote wadi]

Guilty as charged. Although I won't be for much longer. Find out later

[glass granite]

I’d like to see that lol. Considering Bloodline uses a bow, barbarians aren’t very much help here

[knotty pasture]

Just throw the bow ez

[glass granite]

lol

[empty thicket]

had you see how hard is to tense a longbow? those guys in the past were monsters tensing such big and hard bows

[limber trail]

I still wouldn't do it just because that's a third class at that point, but I do see what you're cooking and ngl I'm kinda down with it

[glass granite]

Bloodline is playing with a homebrew rule where you get a feat at class level 1, 3, 6, and I can’t remember the rest

[limber trail]

oh

[glass granite]

So a level dip actually gives a feat lol

[knotty pasture]

God this story just keeps getting more layers like lasagna

[burnt valley]

Straight classed fighter > Barbarian

[burnt valley]

True

[knotty pasture]

So chunky crits, Rangers and Warlocks are borderline useless, more feats, MP system

[reef copper]

Thats insanely good for multiclassing ngl

[limber trail]

okay wait if you get an extra feat at class level 3 then i change my answer 100% go fighter 3 / rogue 3

[burnt valley]

Wdym u-Oh wait, MP SYSTEM?

[glass granite]

Mhm

[limber trail]

six feats at level 11 is crazy

[burnt valley]

Yea jus pack it up bruh, DM doesn't like casters

[reef copper]

Is it a feat or an asi?

[knotty pasture]

Yeah its something like spell slots are replaced with a large pool of MP so it buffs upcasting(?)

[glass granite]

Either

[knotty pasture]

But Warlocks are trashed cuz, where most spellcasters would have 50 MP, Warlocks only have 20 because of the spell slots

[reef copper]

Holy s***
Stronk players be built

[knotty pasture]

Making it lowkey pointless to run Warlock at all

[glass granite]

Indeed

[burnt valley]

Does the mp bs apply to cantrips as well?

[knotty pasture]

Idk

[reef copper]

With asi basically any level you need it just take the lucky feat

[knotty pasture]

We can't really find out cuz he's a Ranger lol but I really hope not

[limber trail]

do warlocks get them back on a short rest? And what does a spell take to cast?

[burnt valley]

If it is, the DM could've just said "No casters allowed"

[knotty pasture]

Not sure, and I think it just depends on the spell's spell slot cost

But with stuff like 50 MP it means you can basically throw down like seven level 3 spells at the cost of having nothing left for level 1-2 spells for example

(I made up the seven level 3 spells idk the exacts)

I'd trade 4 shield casts for 2 more fireballs ngl personally

[limber trail]

oh it's so much higher than seven, it's like 16

[knotty pasture]

Idk if the scaling is 1 MP per 1 spell level

[limber trail]

there's really just not enough info to know how it really works

[reef copper]

I think a lvl 9 is like 13 mp if I recall

[knotty pasture]

iirc its different for each class depending on their total spell slots

I swear he said it was in the 50s for full casters

[limber trail]

now just to check

this isn't just the spell points system is it

[limber trail]

because if it's just the spell points system, then it's 133 spell points at max level

[knotty pasture]

That's insane

Guess we'll find out, but I really hope not

[limber trail]

high level is insane

[knotty pasture]

Imagine if you can cast wish 14 times per long rest

[reef copper]

Yeah the spellpoint system kinda sucks XD

[limber trail]

terrible idea (also wish and other 9th level spells take 13 points so its only 10/day)

[burnt valley]

so this was a nerf to half casters?

[reef copper]

I realy dont see why a lvl one spell cost 2 and a lvl 9 cost 13

[limber trail]

You would take 81d10 necrotic damage doing this

[burnt valley]

being a genie helps

(idk if this is 2014 or 2024)

[limber trail]

How so?

[knotty pasture]

For Rangers at least, Chunky Crits meant Paladins hit like trucks with Divine Smite

[reef copper]

Ah nevermind, you only have one lvl 6-9 in spellpoints

[hot marlin]

Does anyone know if there's any homebrew or third party around for some sort of ice monster? I had this idea for a fire elemental who got trapped inside an ice block.

[burnt valley]

"The djinni has a 30 percent chance of knowing the Wish spell. If the djinni knows it, the djinni can cast it only on behalf of a non-genie creature who communicates a wish in a way the djinni can understand. If the djinni casts the spell for the creature, the djinni suffers none of the spell's stress." its something to do with 2024 shapechange

[limber trail]

oh yeah this too

[burnt valley]

you can essentially keep rerolling the 30 percent chance

[limber trail]

the issue is that you can't shapechange more than once a day

(spell points only let you do one 9th level / day)

I as a DM would also just rule that when you shapechange this way you don't get the wishes, or at the very least that you keep the cooldown even once shapechange ends. Completely valid and fair for a DM to do

[burnt valley]

spell points = spell slots right?

[limber trail]

spell points is a variant system we're discussing

[burnt valley]

im confused if we are still on the-Oh nevermind then

Does a Magic action take a spell point?

[limber trail]

No, you use spell points to cast spells

variant rule that replaces spellcasting

it is very rarely played

[burnt valley]

i can see why

[umbral girder]

What CR? Because White dragons and Animated Breath could do some neat Ice stuff.

[hot marlin]

As high as possible. It's for a level 20 game.

[umbral girder]

Think of Spell points like the mana system from Final fantasy. Spells have a cost and you got a pool of points.

[umbral girder]

Oh good lord.

[hot marlin]

Nevermind, I found what I need. There's a third party book that has a thing called an "ice golem armor". It will do nicely. The fire elemental is trapped inside and raging. And as a bonus, the abilities of the armor actually vary depending on the the abilities of the controller...

[umbral girder]

Hmm Elder Tempest might not be it.

[hot marlin]

Now I just need to find the most powerful fire elemental I can find, but something that would be relatively human sized.

[umbral girder]

Ah cool!

[umbral girder]

You could just resize a fire giant and change its name.

[hot marlin]

Nah, I want something a bit cooler.

[umbral girder]

Or a Phoenix.

[hot marlin]

It's the boss of the first session, so I want to go a bit crazy to set the tone, you know?

[burnt valley]

Imix

[hot marlin]

Let's not go too crazy

Found something! The Lava Keeper from Tome of Beasts 2! CR 18, perfect.

[umbral girder]

So Imix level strength

Maybe even stronger

Ah no it isn’t. Just 1 Cr below

[hot marlin]

For context: First session starts as the PCs will be in what I call "the Offal delta". Basically, there is something atop the mountain that is clearly releasing large amounts of sludge, sewage and other repugnant pollutants. That then get to the base when it thaws. People came to observe it, the PCs too, but what they did not expect was that it would be a literal avalanche of sewage. And all of it filled with a lot of monsters born from toxicities.

That lava keeper is just unlucky. The thing at the top of the mountain tried to summon and bind it, it escaped in the snow, got frozen, managed to animate that ice into an ice golem armour, which got it crazy. With the thaw, it got displaced with the avalanche.

If the PCs break the ice golem armour first, it will help with all the other horrors that are killing all the other people who came to the offal delta

Sounds good?

I need other monsters. Themed around pestilence and pollution. Toxic stuff.

And environmental effect! Toxic gases, prepare your con saves. Avalanche rules. Maybe the ground will crack under that weight, creating a bassin on which the toxic water will be trapped, making it a water session.

Oh and oil! Flammable oil could be among the debris dragged by the avalanche. Which means that an unfortunate spell, torch or the likes could set fire to the surface of the water...

How does all that sound for a first session?

[icy glen]

No idea if this is the right channel—i’m kinda new to d&d but really wanting to play—Dm for irl campaign just told us he couldn’t make it at midnight on the night before a session for the second time, so ngl wondering if anyone could lmk good ways to find an online campaign to join 🫩

It sucks because even though I really like my character, we haven’t played since like a month before christmas and I’m starting to get antsy.

[glass granite]

Read up on the first few chapters of the free basic rules on #learn-to-play , and feel free to ask any questions you might have. Then, make a practice character and get it reviewed in #character-discussion .
Once you’re ready and got the fundamentals down, you can check out #find-a-game for information on how to find a group online. To make a post, type the appropriate command in any chat channel. There’s also DnD beyond forums, reddit or roll 20.

[obtuse bobcat]

yoo im new too

[glass granite]

Hi new too, I’m Nugget

Oh. And #dnd-newcomers is probably the place you wanna go to for questions

[icy glen]

I know how to play for the most part—i’ve been listening to a d&d podcast for over a year now and i’ve picked up a lot of stuff from that—thanks for the tip though!

[remote wadi]

Cantrips cost nothing still

[remote wadi]

Warlocks still do. Casting cost is 1 MP per level of casting. Base Fireball 3 MP

[limber trail]

That’s a rough deal for normal full casters in that case

Warlocks get effectively the same total amount of spell power full casters get slightly above half of what they’d normally have

[remote wadi]

On the contrary. That system means that your prepared spell slots are unaffected, but how much you can cast your best spells go up

So at level 5, Wizards get 16 MP to work with. This level normally would mean that you would get 2 Fireballs maximum, for example

MP system means you'll get 5 max if you wanted to

It only is an issue for Warlocks and Sorcerers, but basically every other full spellcaster be eating good

[limber trail]

Yeah but by max level if it ends with 50 as someone suggested, you wind up with a lot less spell slots

(Unless that person was mistaken)

[remote wadi]

Max level is 47 MP

And wdym wind up with less?

[limber trail]

Oh that’s really bad

[remote wadi]

Not really. That's a lot of MP to work with

Remember. Casting cost is MP = spell level

[limber trail]

If you add up all of the wizard spell slots a level 20 wizard would have they wind up with like 90

[remote wadi]

99. Your point being?

[limber trail]

You get so much less magical power over the course of an adventuring day

[remote wadi]

No?

It's literally more opportunities to cost spells than normal

[limber trail]

You can cast half as much magic

[remote wadi]

Uhh, no

[limber trail]

And sure you can cast more of the big spells but it runs out so quickly

[remote wadi]

At level 20, you would only be able to cast 23 spells total per long rest

Normally

But for here, you can cast as long as you have the MP to do so

So at 99 MP, that's basically 19 5th level Fireballs. 11 Meteor Swarms. 99 Silvery Barbs. A mixture of the 3 as long as you have them prepared

[limber trail]

I'm sorry how many MP does a max level wizard have? is it 99 or 47?

[remote wadi]

Level 20 would be 99

Max level for the campaign is 11, which is 47 MP

[limber trail]

oh okay i see

Yeah so when you said max level I assumed you meant the actual max level

[remote wadi]

My point is that you can now be much more versatile with casting because 1-5 MP is a far lower cost for full spellcasters than a spell slot of the matching level

[limber trail]

yeah no i see yes it is objectively much more powerful now

the way you explained it seemed like it was significantly less total magic

[remote wadi]

Exactly. The only 2 classes that don't get much benefit from it are Warlocks (at what point would you want to downcast?) and Sorcerer (only for the aspect of using points to replenish MP)

[limber trail]

anyways this is more of a #homebrew topic

[noble basin]

How does warlock not benefit?

I don't see how this isn't just a direct buff for every caster

[remote wadi]

Because Warlocks virtually always want to upcast their spells. Their entire thing is casting seldomly, but powerfully

Now everyone gets to be a little like Warlock, but Warlock doesn't get anything to compensate

[noble basin]

Yes? They do? You get to cast your low level spells for cheap which is just good no matter how you put it. Upcasting is just not that big of a benefit and being able to pace yourself better is just a big buff compared to original warlock.

[remote wadi]

True, but a little too late

[limber trail]

warlocks don't always wanna upcast their spells. Plenty of their spells work completely fine at low levels. Some of their spells are arguably more attractive if you can cast them at lower levels (hexblade's shield, the hex spell, misty step, and more)

[hot gate]

Yeah, it's not about wanting, it's about having to.

[hot gate]

Would still be nice, please?

[noble basin]

Lots of strong spells lose their majesty cause of the recources investment a warlock needs. Being able to actually cast shield or something cheaply is super good

[limber trail]

As a level 20 warlock, getting to cast a few first level spells as first level is super attractive as a concept

[remote wadi]

I guess you could, but you are now, using the word loosely, competing with other spellcasters who also get to cast their favorite spells more often. And being able to upcast them at a much lower cost to boot

[noble basin]

Yes that's true. I'd recommended further discussion be moved to #homebrew

[glass granite]

I agree

[remote wadi]

So the problem isn't exactly that warlock gets nothing out of it

Problem is that you are giving most spellcasters a significant boost to spell control: needing to cast as powerfully or as efficiently as they want to

While Warlock gets the benefit of downcasting. Not exactly the most balanced buff for both sides

[glass granite]

And tbh a lot of the discussion beforehand belong in #character-discussion

[remote wadi]

Ehh, I just dropped in because I clocked out early at work

Feet feel like they're making death saves

[knotty pasture]

I still think Warlocks should get the same amount of MP as a typical caster ngl

Though considering that long rests are per 1-2 combat scenarios, idk if even infinite MP would save Warlock

[bronze wave]

MP?

[humble cairn]

A homebrew system Bloodline's table is using, not really worth continuing in this channel.

[timid current]

warlock doesn't really need saving

it's already one of the most popular classes

[fervent current]

Does someone know in what book the construct race is? I'm not made of money so i dont have all of them yet

[fair condor]

Can any dm give me some advice to convince MY dm to STOP CANCELLING THE DAY OFF (even tho were neighbours)
Ty:)

OF*

[glass granite]

Which one

There are 2, warforged from Eberron: Forge of the Artificer, and autognome from SpellJammers

[fair condor]

Btw nugget i dmed you my sheet

[remote wadi]

I'd prefer leaning into them hitting hard, but seldomly, but that's just me

[knotty pasture]

In a turn based game homebrewing better damage output is hard to get right

And they're already excellent at control so hit any harder and they can just steamroll through things

[candid pulsar]

Hi

Where can I play dnd at

[still plover]

Check the listings in #looking-for-players for games that want people, read the details, respond as appropriate and cross your fingers.

Type /looking and select the option for #looking-for-dm to advertise yourself as a new player in search of a group. Be sure to include your regular availability!

There are other Discord servers where people gather for games. You can find them in #looking-for-community .

Aside from here, you could also try LFG areas in sites like Reddit, Roll20 or the D&D Beyond forums to get started.

[remote wadi]

Unfortunately so. I've just been a fan of that way to play Warlock

I would say it makes you mindful about what to use and where while rewarding you with amazing damage

But unfortunately for that, Eldritch Blast exists

[candid pulsar]

Wait so if I’m not 18 I can’t play

[glass granite]

You can

[candid pulsar]

Where though

How do I get join codes for dnd beyond

[glass granite]

Wdym? Only some tables prefer 18+

[candid pulsar]

I don’t know where to go to play

Is what I mean

[still plover]

Sent you some info just here: #dnd-discussion message

Are you familiar with the rules and how to make a character?

[rough basalt]

Trying to be a player in tabletop games is definitely up there in some of the hardest feats imaginable

[silk hare]

Fr

[silk hare]

#find-a-game

[merry granite]

are there any magic items to increase spell slots

[hot gate]

Not sure about increasing, but there are ones that can replenish your used spell slots, like the pearl of power.

[idle oar]

Ring of spell storing? Spell scrolls? Not so much giving you more slots but giving you the ability to use spells without needing to use a spell slot.

[modest sinew]

Crap

Does anyone have any voice acting tips

I keep trying to get a voice right for my character and I keep slipping up or drifting into a new accent

And it’s making me mad

[tawdry sentinel]

Scribble a person to do the voice and not an accent or anything

This person sounds like gollum or Kermit or whatever.

[still plover]

Higher, lower, faster, slower.

[humble cairn]

1. Relax, you don't have to voice act to make a good session or good roleplayer, so whatever you are doing is extra icing on the cake.
2. You don't even have to do accents if you don't want to, simply changing the rate you speak slightly or maybe some signature word choices is also good.
3. Try practicing by picking up a book or newspaper and just reading out loud the whole thing, you can record yourself if you want.

[still plover]

This too. Imitate a performer. Get a catchphrase, practice it, say it to yourself before you open the mic.

[modest sinew]

Main reason I’m trying is because I don’t want it to be confusing as to when I’m talking in and out of character

plus I just think it would be nice

[humble cairn]

You can do this also by changing whether you're speaking in first or second person.

[humble cairn]

Yes, it is nice, but you don't have to, so don't stress out about it.

[warm summit]

It's the kind of thing you can pick up over time, but also just practice goofy voices. I read a series of books to someone and gave everyone goofy voices

Voice acting type stuff is very much bottom of the list of priorities with tabletop, newer folks tend to think it's more important than it is because so many people are exposed to DND podcasts

[raw sonnet]

Does tarrasque taste good?

[warm summit]

Sure hope so, there's a lot of it

[odd pollen]

i wanted to ask because im making the 96 members of the nobility of my city, im using minor details on each like, son of, race, age, etc, when im adding how they are trained, is it realistic to put a class and subclass for each, like a centaur noble, of a fighter - champion, and his daughter, barbarian - berserker, or should i make the details on them stuff like, weapons maker, or blacksmith?

im essentially asking if its realistic to add a dnd class subclass for every noble or if i should vary it with classes or careers

i only ask because the city has 4 academies nobility and comminborn are often sent to so i felt it would make sense if they learned the trade of classes in these schools like wizard or fighter etc, but i had doubts because maybe a noble of the wizard school may do scribe work no? sorry im yapping

[icy bone]

I thought about making an arbiter or an armorer artificer named arbiter( Operative iron man suit) but how should I make one

I can make do with the second one

[still plover]

That's an awful lot of effort to invest. How much it likely to impact the party's adventures?

Also no, NPCs don't need classes. You can describe them like that if it makes them easier for you to remember though.

[still plover]

I suggest #character-discussion, and to consider what kind of abilities you want to have.

[icy bone]

Sure

[odd pollen]

i mainly explain each one because the adventurers are staying in this fey city for a year, i make generic details, and plan to add onto them more as the adventurers meet and interact with them, like raeks ithro for a example is a essentric dueler with a rapier, who runs a tavern called the Drunken pear, of house ithro, now later i might add more to this small description, im essentually working on that

thanks for the advice on the classes though

[hot marlin]

A noble who runs a tavern?

[still plover]

Your players will have a hard enough time keeping nine NPCs separate, let alone ninety.

Put another way: the characters will be there for a year. The players will be there for three hours a time, once a week.

[odd pollen]

he essentially is like a black sheep of the family deciding to stay away from his families spy business, which is why he runs it as a noble, his house are changelings who sell information

[still plover]

I'd focus my efforts on the most prominent faces and really broadly sketch out the rest, myself.

[hot marlin]

Anyways yeah. Making the 96 nobles is a waste of effort. Worse than a waste, it may actively be detrimental to your game.

Consider the plot and the part they play in it first.

[odd pollen]

true, i also should be working more on the world around them, for example the city is surrounded by a sentient forest which is the archfey which i havent expanded on

and ive been struggling on how to make combat a thing to introduce interest, in a rather peaceful, non combative city

[hot marlin]

The archfey is a forest? Like some sort of genius loci?

[odd pollen]

like a awakened nature spirit of large power, essentially he is the forest, to kill him youd have to destroy the entire forest, hes existed a long time before poeple came to settle in his forest, but the city was founded by his son, who was born from a relationship with the archdruid of his forest, he sees all in the firest, he made a clearing in his forest for teh city to be built in and protects it with his forest like a huge wall

[silk hare]

Maybe some noble angered the archfey and now agitated animals try to get in to get revenge

The party is hired as bodyguards

[hot marlin]

I wouldn't bodyguard anyone against an angered archfey personally

[silk hare]

And uncovers more and more

You can use all sorts of encounters after, fey spirits, bigger creatures like owlbears, packs of wolves

[hardy wharf]

guys is any dnd game played in this server in liek a channel and if yes then which channel

[hot marlin]

No games are hosted here no

[silk hare]

Well they dont know its an archfey no?

They are guarding him against weird animal attacks

[silk hare]

#find-a-game

[odd pollen]

the party has already entered the forest, i sort of had them meet the archfey who got them to agree to serve him for a year, in exchange for stabilizing their return, as the fey crossing might distort time, he agreed to use his magic to make the time passed in the prime plane 1 second, they serve his interests in his city throughtout the year, subtly as he doesnt want someone working for him that would bow or grovel, but new people with pushback as he finds it funny and interesting

they know hes the archfey as he introduced himself

i like your idea on encounters though, i may need to make a table

[devout plume]

im building a homebrew species on dndbeyond how do i make this work: "You gain proficiency with two of the following skills of your choice: Deception, Insight, Intimidation, Performance, or Persuasion."?

[knotty pasture]

That sounds like a background option ngl

[devout plume]

i want the drop down menu from normal species

[devout plume]

its a species trait

[idle oar]

Best thing to do is find an existing species with such an option and make a copy of it and see how it was configured. Then do something similar for your species.

[devout plume]

ok what would you recommend?

[idle oar]

I don't know - I don't homebrew species and can't think of anything off the top of my head that does something like that.

You could check with folks in #homebrew and for technical support questions check with folks in #ddb-support

[odd pollen]

there are also alot of existing homebrew races you can find online, and tailor to the race you are making

[devout plume]

apparently doing this requires a subscription

[idle oar]

Yeah it does

One of the perks oif being a subscriber

[devout plume]

welp i cant do that lol

[severe rampart]

similar to changeling's

[devout plume]

ik that lol but how do i make the dropdown box?

like nonhomebrew stuff

[idle oar]

I mean an easyish way is to just write the feature and let the character owner mark proficiency themselves for the skills based on what they decide to pick.

[abstract beacon]

These new subclasses look sick man

I am definitely gonna try out spell guard paladin

[lean lark]

I've been making Elvis as a CR18 monster for an upcoming campaign

How did I get here?

[reef copper]

Elvis?

[lean lark]

Yes

I've been renaming existing spells as song titles.
"Fireball" is Burning Love
"Dominate Person" is Can't Help Falling in Love

[reef copper]

Those spell names makes me wonder if a sadist made them lol. 😜

In world i mean

[hollow stone]

why do your players have beef with Elvis??? 😭

[marble lion]

While thats fun, spell names arent exactly something that comes up much

I guess your villain could shout burning love though

[lean lark]

I'm making a world based in real life and made a mob boss called the king and decided to make him Elvis

[marble lion]

Just saying ive never seen anyone say fireball while casting

[lean lark]

The idea is that the somatic component of the spell is him singing part of the song

[marble lion]

Mhm

Its definitely cool

[severe rampart]

You are a genius

"Return to Sender" is counterspell

[lean lark]

Also I'm working on a few legendary actions.

One called Encore, though I'm not sure if it should make a player repeat their action from the previous turn or if it allows him to repeat his action from his previous turn

[severe rampart]

feels like you can get pretty creative with Encore making a player repeat their action

if they're for example, near the edge of a cliff and last turn they went to the right, you can make them go to the right more and fall

[lean lark]

Repeat their action and if unable to do so they take psychic damage

[lean lark]

This is the full list of what I've come up with so far:
Fireball (Burning Love)
Banishment (500 miles)
Dominate Person (Can't Help Falling in Love)
Polymorph (Hound Dog)
Zone of Truth (It's a Sin to Tell a Lie)
Misty Step (Blue Suede Shoes)
Control Weather (All I Needed Was the Rain)
Dimension Door (I'm Leavin')
Counterspell (Return to Sender)
Silence (A Little Less Conversation)
True Seeing (Devil in Disguise)
Calm Emotions (Don't be Cruel)
Wish (If I can Dream)

[severe rampart]

This is genius 😭

This is a bit of a stretch but suspicious minds could be either Mind Break or a telepathy spell

[lean lark]

Maybe.

I was also considering Heartbreak Hotel for Shatter but it is a little bit of stretch i think

[dense nacelle]

Can you take reactions on your turn?

[idle oar]

If something triggers it on your turn, technically yes

[dense nacelle]

For instance if you move, someone opportunity attacks you, and you hellish rebuke?

[idle oar]

yes that is possible

[lean lark]

Yes

[dense nacelle]

Alright

Follow up question

[lean lark]

Same goes for a shield spell in that circumstance. If you move and they take an attack of opportunity you can cast it

[dense nacelle]

Can I possibly attack someone with an unarmed strike for the grapple, and use the cloud runes reaction to instead grapple someone 30ft away over a chasm, bringing them to me?

I can’t see anything stating in the rules for the cloud rune feature that the attack can’t be your attack

And with the “transfers effects of attacks regardless of necessary range” portion, this should RAW work?

[hot gate]

I'm with you right upon the moment where you said "bringing them to me". You could initiate a grapple, but the grapple would instantly be broken since they're out of the range of your reach.

[lean lark]

It says transfers effects of "attack roll" specifically, and grapple is a contested ability check.

I'm not an expert on the rules but I dont think you can

[stark arch]

just did a mock battle necromancer + 5 skeletons vs a bunch of sahuagin went prety wel 😄

[dense nacelle]

A grapple is an unarmed strike, to end a grapple is a contested ability roll

[glad arch]

2024 changed grapple iirc

[dense nacelle]

Acrobatics or athletics

[hot gate]

It's an attack, but doesn't use an attack roll, Zephyr is right

[devout plume]

What are the dnd size heights?

[dense nacelle]

It’s an attack from an unarmed strike, you roll your unarmed strike to hit and if it does you can choose, instead of damage, to grapple them

[glad arch]

Height isnt accounted for in creature size

[devout plume]

Fr?

[lean lark]

Ah, you're using 2024 rules?

[hot gate]

This is false. Unarmed strikes have three choices. Only one of those choices (damage) requires an attack roll:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#UnarmedStrike

[eager marsh]

You can cheat this using the tavern brawler grapple built into an attack I think

[glad arch]

Yes, its kinda up to the dm how you would go about taking a monster (or players) height into account

[dense nacelle]

Interesting

Still, if they’re outside the reach of the grapple then I dunno, maybe I just use the push property and push them into the chasm

[eager marsh]

The problem is the grapple ends instantaneously because the target is no longer within your reach

[stark arch]

best way to counter cleriks destroy undead feture. does the clerik need to speak to use this? or see its target?? would Silence or blinding help?

[hot gate]

It's actually fairly vague. Each species lists their approximate height, so you can go off of that. Height and creature size (medium, large, etc.) only have a loose connection.

[glad arch]

"You speak a prayer"

[lean lark]

The description IIRC does require the cleric to "speak a prayer"

[glad arch]

And you need your holy symbol as well

[lean lark]

Also they have to present a holy symbol, so if they're tied up they might not be able to do so

[glad arch]

and the undead creature needs to both be able to see or hear you

Though its hard to block both of those i imagine

[lean lark]

And be within 30 feet

[glad arch]

Aka plenty of ways to stop it, main one being silence on the cleric

[lean lark]

If they're firing arrows across a 35 foot chasm, destroy undead wont work

[stark arch]

is it posible to target the holly symbol ?

i readed some whre objects have hitpoints of there own

[glad arch]

I think so, but not sure how that would resolve

If its a metal symbol heat metal definitally works

[glad arch]

What level is the cleric, destroy undead has a pretty low cr ceiling, could you not use some slightly stronger ones?

[stark arch]

5 posible if its a player., unles my dm puls a rabit out of its hit with higher lvl clerik npc 😛

[glad arch]

Then the limit is only cr 1/2, any higher skeletons are 'fine'

[hot gate]

If your DM uses pc levels for npcs I have an entirely different set of questions.

[stark arch]

thinking using my spells for deffence. and my skeletons for the offensive part

[glad arch]

(Turn undead still is a thing after all even without destroy undead)

[stoic haven]

Gooooood Mornin yall

[glad arch]

Are you a player or the dm? If youre another player why would a cleric use turn undead when you use skeletons as minions

[stark arch]

im a player , and we do have a clerik in the party but we did agree on no pvp

[stoic haven]

I see this working in very niche circumstances, but as a general, no

[glad arch]

Situation might come up where the advantage of turn undead outweighs also killing your skeletons but other then that i dont see why youd be worried

[lean lark]

The only way I can see this working is for Bosses

[stark arch]

i also want to be ready incase we encounter a npc that can use destroy undead

[glad arch]

From what ive heard the concensus is dont give them class levels give them class features

[stoic haven]

Agreed

[glad arch]

Dont make the enemy a 5th level barbarian make it a normal monster and give it rage

[lean lark]

Yeah, like there are monsters that have reckless as a feature

Rather than being a barbarian

[hot gate]

I think for bosses it's even worse tbh. They need legendary actions and resistances, not player tools.

[glad arch]

Fair, give all your skeletons blindfolds and headphones and youre good

[stark arch]

realy? 😄

[glad arch]

If they cant hear or see theyre immune to turn undead

[stark arch]

hmm than they cant hit there target XD

[glad arch]

Theyre also blind so attacking with disadvantage but atleast they dont crumble into bone dust

[marble lion]

Just keep in mind they also couldnt perceive surroundings in general

[lean lark]

Give the skeletons horse blinders so they can only see directly in front of them.

[stoic haven]

As a rule, no feats, and around 1/2 the class features?

[glad arch]

≈

[stoic haven]

Of the level pc

[glad arch]

Dnd is usually omnidirectional, dont think horseblinders would work

[stoic haven]

Which makes it very annoying to "sneak up" on players on a map

[stark arch]

btw about creature RC status. is this status effected if they wear beter equipment and thre HP and damage is boosted by passive effects ??

[stoic haven]

Theater of the mind works better for horror imo

[glad arch]

Not for what youre wondering

[lean lark]

Officially no

That would be DM's discretion unofficially

[glad arch]

Theyd be a normal skeleton thats armored rather then a (random example) higher cr armored skeleton

[stark arch]

ok

[rough basalt]

As someone who'd like to do horror, it's unfortunate that horror on maps is a bit harder

[hollow stone]

yea, it also makes weeping angels impossible :(

[vivid owl]

I tried weeping angels once and the players instantly figured it out since the statues were higher res

[glad arch]

Theyre also a quite famous know

[rough basalt]

Tho way I do lighting and ambience in my games I can make things creepy

[glad arch]

I imagine a lot of people know about them, especially in these circles

[hollow stone]

i've always wanted to try a backwards weeping angel but that'd be broken with a 360 FOV (a creature that only moves when you are looking at it)

[glad arch]

Gotta 360 no scope them

[glad arch]

Idk how well that would work in general, the whole scare factor of the weeping angels is you never see them moving

[devout plume]

Anybody know what submodifier "origin proficiencies" uses on dnd beyond?

[hot marlin]

Except in the second episode they appeared in. Which was trash.

[hot gate]

I've often had new players intuit that player token facing actually matters and it does need a bit of getting used to.

I think the only time I'd get this to work is with heavy digital tool usage, otherwise the tracking would be a nightmare

[woven flint]

I awaken, my goobers!!!

[hot marlin]

Though I do have to say: Those reverse weeping angels... Can't the PCs just close their eyes and then beat them to death while they're paralyzed?

[hollow stone]

oh it's not about scaring them, it's about forcing them to think

[lean lark]

The PCs would have to be able to hit them while blind

[woven flint]

Incubus...
I can't wait to bully your wizard in BG:DIA :>

[hot marlin]

Yeah, that's just disadvantage.

[lean lark]

Also, what about if those creatures can see each other?

[hot gate]

Assuming we're talking about skills, if you're proficient in one you always add your proficiency bonus to the rolls. Your proficiency bonus depends on level.

[woven flint]

I looked at your pfp and instantly thought "Oh Deer.."

[lean lark]

Deer Lord

[hot gate]

New forest boss dropped

[woven flint]

Deer God

[lean lark]

You'll pay Deerly

[hollow stone]

as animals, we never wanna look away from what is approaching us very very quickly, but as people, we can realize that it's only faster than us when we're looking at it and if you would just stop being so scared and look away, it would stop moving

[hot gate]

We do have Animal Lords, which would be a fitting representation.

[woven flint]

Oh Deer, you shouldn't have~

[glad arch]

That does complicate things, weeping angels usually move when noone is looking at them, would reverse weeping angels require everyone to look at them

[lean lark]

Say goodbye to your uncle and your auntler

[pliant sapphire]

Which domains has this god?

[woven flint]

My domain of Whimsy

The Deer god is just a regular deer I turned into a Deerity

It's not even aware of its divine power

[reef copper]

Dont torture incubus like that, he is affraid of dad jokes

[hollow stone]

i mean i think i could make it work with enough corners, but if they forget it's there because they turned one corner then the fun is over because it's not moving anymore

[glad arch]

Random hunter shooting a deer for dinner only to be met by an eldritch deity

[viral verge]

deer god, the humanity

[woven flint]

Themberchaud consumes another Gif

[lean lark]

They're only dad jokes when they become apparent

[woven flint]

He strikes!

[reef copper]

I wonder how many terabytes he have eaten

[undone rain]

How does the moon cut his hair. Eclipse it!

[woven flint]

Probably billions, the darn fatty

[viral verge]

I just don't want the dragon getting hungry, y'know?

[reef copper]

Heh

[marble lion]

Weeping angel in dnd would be 3 factors
1 give disadvantage on anything not in the direction of the angel to signal the forced stare
2 use corners and cover with sightlines
3 use blinding attacks

[lean lark]

He needs to go on a diet

[marble lion]

Obviously ignore the players vision, its about representing the characters vision

[lean lark]

The darkness spell would make them OP

[glad arch]

Ooowh weeping angel and blindness is a devious combo

[reef copper]

He only gets to take a bit-e

[marble lion]

The only problem would be a big party being able to stunlock the whole fight easily

[woven flint]

You know what's funny?
Themberchaud is incredibly evil and has eaten many Adventuring parties, but we're all just like;
"He's a heckin' chonker! Friendshaped individual!"

[lean lark]

Also there are characters that players make without darkvision, so you can take advantage of natural darkness and separating the party

[marble lion]

If evil
Why good shaped

[lean lark]

Because he's just a giant cat

[woven flint]

That's what I'm sayin!!!

[glad arch]

Isnt that what we do with real animals as well, bears could kill you in seconds and yet most people are still like. But fluffy bal

[marble lion]

No youre saying hes evil when hes clearly not

[hollow stone]

i think it'd work if i put them in a room with a comical amount of pillars and the tiny telegraph of making it always appear to be looking at its observer, and when LOS is established, it says "I have found you." or just "found you."

[marble lion]

Hes a friend

[woven flint]

I'm sure Themberchaud could kill anyone under a second

[reef copper]

Maybe if he eats enough good aligned he will become good as well?

[marble lion]

Worth a try, bring the new party

This is timmy the life cleric
His dream is to heal sick orphans because he lost his whole family to a cursed illness
Say aaaah

[woven flint]

Force Themberchaud to listen to "Sk8er Boy"

[glad arch]

0.1% taming progress

[marble lion]

Only 999 more and were good

This is better odds than most games nowadays so im good

[glad arch]

But then you get the chonkiest dragon as your friend

Worth it imo

[marble lion]

Definitely

[hollow stone]

does it go faster if we feed it natural goods like celestials?

[marble lion]

Wed become the villains party at that point

[glad arch]

He becomes good alligned but were the evil ones now

[marble lion]

So by the time we fed him the 999 goods, wed be evil and hed eat us
That would be enough to turn him evil again

[glad arch]

Vicious cycle

[marble lion]

There is just no winning

[hollow stone]

what about Evil aligned natural good descendants like an Oathbreaker Aasimar?

[woven flint]

My crabs spilt their water...

Their Wrath sickens me!!!

[devout plume]

Not at all what i meant lol

[marble lion]

I think that just upsets his belly

[glad arch]

Then we need some more elaboration on what you mean

[woven flint]

Aasimar aren't descendants of Celestials.
They're individuals touched by the positive planes.

[hollow stone]

i thought they were just backwards tieflings??

[glad arch]

Tiefling't

[lean lark]

Genasi are genie Tieflings

[devout plume]

I want to use the same submodifier dropdown menu as the optional trait "Origin Proficiencies" for my homebrew species on dnd beyond. Which one does it use?

[glad arch]

Try #ddb-support they might know more

[woven flint]

Tieflings aren't descendants of Fiends either.
Not in most cases
Aasimar, Tieflings and Genasi are all planetouched individuals that have been affected by the energies of another plane of existence

If one of your parents is a Tiefling, you most likely won't be born a Tiefling because it's not a genetic thing

[hollow stone]

oh i thought it was >~<

[woven flint]

A Tiefling can be born from the union of a mortal and a fiend, sure, but they cannot pass that down
It's more common for individuals to be changed from my understanding though

[hollow stone]

anyway what happens if i feed themberchaud a neutral natural neutral? like what if i bestow a snake the miraculous gift of sentience just for its first conscious moment to be getting eaten by a tubby dragon?

[marble lion]

I thought it was just infernal influence, not necessarily reproductive crossing

[woven flint]

Then you're cruel

[marble lion]

Sometimes through bloodlines, sometimes through area exposure, curses etc

[jovial shadow]

From the PHB: "Tieflings are either born in the Lower Planes or have fiendish ancestors who originated there." That pretty much answers the question on descendance.

[glad arch]

this is tiefling flavor text though, maybe not genetic but definitally affecting your lineage
this is because a pact struck generations ago infused the essence of Asmodeus, overlord of the Nine Hells (and many of the other powerful devils serving under him) into their bloodline. Their appearance and their nature are not their fault but the result of an ancient sin, for which they and their children and their children's children will always be held accountable.

[woven flint]

Yeah, what I'm getting at is that it's not a genetic thing

Many people in your family could be born just fine with fiendish influence in their bloodline, then one day you come along as a Tiefling

One COULD argue semantics that it's genetics, but we don't even know exactly how extraplanar beings even reproduce

[marble lion]

Yeah it doesnt seem genetic to me

[humble cairn]

Genetics doesn't exist in my fantasy settings. Heredity does, but not genetics or genes.

[marble lion]

Magical genetics

[woven flint]

I think it's hard to reason that mythical creatures would even follow the same logic of genetics other creatures would

[glad arch]

As in its not a thing or people dont know about it in the world

[lean lark]

Magic is magic, it just kind of does whatever you want it to honestly

[humble cairn]

It's not a thing.

[marble lion]

Id think fantasy world follows different systems, though theyd still pretty much emulate grnetics in practice in most cases

Like if 2 ppl have a kid, that kid will have stuff like their nose, their eyes etc

[glad arch]

Genetics is just determining what traits the offspring of 2 parents get

[marble lion]

I just dont think about it as genetics

[humble cairn]

Yeah, heredity it's an older concept. You kinda look like your parents and have done similarities to them.

[marble lion]

Isnt it dna related though?

[hollow stone]

i mean genetics are hard and weird and heredity is a lot easier, genetics has many more aspects than just this

[marble lion]

My games dont have dna

[humble cairn]

Mine don't, either.

[marble lion]

Its more esoteric and vague

[humble cairn]

Nor cells, for that matter.

[marble lion]

Just like my atmosphere isnt air molecules leading to physics nonsense like sphere of annihilation

[glad arch]

Dna, chromosomes, neuclotides, protons/neutrons/electrons it depends how far down the rabbit hole youre going

[humble cairn]

Same!

[halcyon forum]

I always assume everything is exactly as IRL unless stated otherwise. Much easier

[marble lion]

Just like cold spells not cooling out the entire world because youre scientifically permanently deleting energy

Dnd isnt fun when looking too close

[hollow stone]

yea magic and science can't really coexist that well

[marble lion]

"Magic bullshit go" is my preferred approach

[still plover]

Not D&D, but I feel this quote from Blades in the Dark by John Harper is relevant here:

This was once a storybook fantasy world of magic and wonders, which was destroyed and an industrial civilization was built on top of the ruins.

Don’t expect scientific realism here.

[glad arch]

I understand not thinking about this because when would this ever come up by why the concsious decision to include this?

Or exclude it for that matter

[woven flint]

Praise be!

[marble lion]

Because of spells or damage types maybe

[hollow stone]

adding scientific realism is fun but should be considered secondary to having fun with the stick that summons fire

[marble lion]

Cells lead to cellbased logic

[glad arch]

I cast eldritch blast on the cell 12.3017cm from the tip of his left pinky

[marble lion]

Not exactly my point

[halcyon forum]

I don’t consider using the real word as a base as adding anything.

[noble spire]

feeling excited, i think im going to host a one-shot soon as my first experience as DM

[marble lion]

Cool

[glad arch]

I was mostly joking but i am curious in which way you do mean

[still plover]

(And on that point I seem to recall the precursor setting for what became Blades was based on a long D&D or D&D-alike game that Harper and friends played, where at some point the sun was shattered and the gates of death sundered and he thought, "what happens next?")

[noble spire]

i just need to find a pre-written one-shot thats good i think

[glad arch]

Heroes of the borderlands

[marble lion]

Any way where it halts the internal logic of dnd

[tawny blade]

I'm looking for a pdf of the character sheets as presented in the new starter box, is there an official source for that...? sorry if this is the wrong thread, but I didn't see a resources thread...

[lean lark]

Yeah, like the peasant railgun

[hollow stone]

like letting someone make mead by dealing Necrotic damage to a jar of honey, that's cool and adds functionality.

however, anything that removes functionality, like Sphere Of Annihilation actually annihilating all of the world around it isn't cool and isn't fun and shouldn't happen

[marble lion]

Any way that it has you as dm rationalising frantically why this and that is working as intended

[woven flint]

7000 lashes.

[glad arch]

I havent played it myself but heard its very beginner friendly

[marble lion]

Absolutely not

[humble cairn]

Mostly because of players trying to science their way to extra powers.

[marble lion]

Dealing necrotic damage to honey?

[glad arch]

Idk man, annihilating the entire world sounds pretty rad

[marble lion]

Im not drinking that

[hollow stone]

yea, mead is artificially induced fermentation of honey lmao

[woven flint]

Necrotic Damage is complete destruction and decay and literally energy from the negative planes of energy
I ain't touching that.

[marble lion]

Fermentation isnt necrotic damage

[humble cairn]

I don't find it that fun.

[marble lion]

Thats the kind of weird science tryharding i dont like

[halcyon forum]

peasant railgun has zero to do with scientific realism

like its the opposite of that

[glad arch]

Pessant railgun is quite literally the opposite

[woven flint]

Well, good luck with your first game :>

[noble spire]

thank u!

[lean lark]

As they said, realism secondary to chaos

[hollow stone]

i thought necrotic damage was decay, which fermentation is also?

[hollow stone]

peasant railgun isn't magic tho, that's g-modding

[hoary totem]

Finding out that people refer to pathfinder as mathfinder is disappointing. I thought Mathfinder was some sciencey nerdy sub-game of pathfinder like Starfinder

[halcyon forum]

peasant railgun is someone ignoring physics in favor or selectively applying game logic

[glad arch]

Do damage types actually have any flavor text to them other then use this for resistance/immunities/vulnerabilities?

[hot marlin]

Peasant railgun is the result of applying game rules when you want to and then real world logic when you want to for the same action. You can't have it both way.

[woven flint]

It's microbial decomposition, which necrotic damage doesn't work on such a finer scale

It just destroys

[hot marlin]

Either the peasants can't pass the pebble that fast and therefore it doesn't work, or the last peasant throws the pebble for 1 damage