dnd-discussion

[broken imp]

.... what lv? it changes things

[narrow moss]

i'm not too worried now though

[sudden hollow]

I have lost......... a lot? Idk 40 or something. One campaign i died every single session, and even twice in one session. And I mean total character death not just downed

[sudden hollow]

Currently 6, we are halfway through the campaign

[severe rampart]

How? sounds like a bad campaign

[shy stirrup]

I've lost two characters in the span of about 20 minutes

[broken imp]

oh ok so like 36 damage isn't all that much then

[sudden hollow]

Off the top of my head? Chimera, slavers, drowning, spider pit, angry fish bois

[broken imp]

oh lol once the party i'm dming got TPKed twice in that time

[sudden hollow]

That was divine favor+giants might+enlarge+fire rune+divine smite+ rapier

[broken imp]

cause on lv8 i can deal ~150 damage on my first turn, or maybe even more

[blissful ibex]

I did 570 damage on my first turn with a level 3 spell slot once c:

[sudden hollow]

So 1d4 radiant + 1d6 standard + 1d4 standard + 2d6 fire + 2d8 force + 1d8 pierce + 3

[broken imp]

wdym?

[broken imp]

oh lol nice

[sudden hollow]

Thats actually.. really high for the party😅

My personal damage was 48 in one hit, and it was missing 2 of those buffs

[broken imp]

yea i get i was half joking, and an um-optimized party it's quite high

[sudden hollow]

Personal best damage*

[sudden hollow]

Thats the thing im trying to optimize.. that used all of my spells slots, a teammates spell slot, and all of my activatable abilities to pull off

[broken imp]

oh on 1 hit? that different than, cause for me it;'s quite a few attacks, no buffs tho

[sudden hollow]

Yeah the 33 was one hit too

[sudden hollow]

This is all for one hit

[last flume]

Did you hit like 20 enemies with Fireball or something :P?

[livid owl]

I dealt 66 damage with one attack using a DAGGER the other day
Granted it was a Dagger of Venom and had the extra poison rolls and was a critical hit, but still.

[sudden hollow]

Every hit after that is.. Just the rapier, divine favor, enlarge and giants might

Giants might only triggers once per turn which is...weird

[broken imp]

yea that's what i was thinking, say a crit on a fireball and roll max damage on both hit, and try to hit like as much enemies as it can

[sudden hollow]

The damage comes from my increased size.. like the damage boost from enlarge.. so its weird

[severe rampart]

Fireball?

[sudden hollow]

But i was 34 feet tall in that fight so thats fun

[last flume]

You can't crit from fireball though

[blissful ibex]

Sleet Storm c:

[last flume]

It's a Dex save to half 8d6 Fire damage

[broken imp]

no not crit i can't remember what is ti called

[broken imp]

oh right i forgot

[last flume]

Sleet Storm doesn't do damage huh...did everyone slip and fall 1000 feet into the abyss or something xD?

[broken imp]

i never use fireball anyways c:

[fossil hollow]

theres no special effects for saves

[last flume]

Fake Wizard

[narrow moss]

I case Fireball no delay! Tactical in every way!

[blissful ibex]

160feet
a dragon with 9 kobolds on its back

[broken imp]

wah fireball like not the best

[last flume]

Oh yeah landing on enemies makes then take half damage or something right?

[peak pecan]

Enemies and friends shall pay! Fireball, it is the Way!

[narrow moss]

lol

[last flume]

It's the best damage spell at level 3 by far

[blissful ibex]

they all fell so they all took it
57 ea

[last flume]

That's crazy

[narrow moss]

goomba stomp but dragon

[broken imp]

if i'm building for damage i will not use wizard

[narrow moss]

and kobolds go splat.

[paper portal]

yeah fireball is very overrated

[last flume]

Fireball slander will not be tolerated 💢

[blissful ibex]

I prefer Tidal Wave or Laeral's Silver Lance c:

[broken imp]

fireball is good for cc but like it's really mid otherwise

[last flume]

3d10 damage on a 3rd level line spell with prone effect idk man

[paper portal]

i prefer spirit guardians and 5e conjure animals :3

[blissful ibex]

My druidlock ends up casting it quite a bit off her staff of power for want of better instantaneous damage spells

[last flume]

Tidal Wave is kinda cool I guess

[blissful ibex]

being able to shape it is nice, also sets things up for your martials and can drop flyers

[broken imp]

lol i also like conjure woodland beings

I cast wish and wish and wish for that from now on i get to choose what i conjure
man if only

[blissful ibex]

Best to go owl form or something at that point and go full ramming emination mode

[narrow moss]

fun to meme tho

[blissful ibex]

oh, you meant 5e

[rough basalt]

Next Monday my party gets bombarded again

[narrow moss]

my first session is friday

if everyone's ready by then we get to do a quick session 0 to explain roll20 and then get to playing

[paper portal]

its decent but its place as the stereotypical wizard spell is very much undeserved

[last flume]

Waow good luck!

[narrow moss]

i know, november, lol

i think it was once very powerful and easy to tpk with in earlier editions. Plus it's a huge ball of fire c'mon.

[rough basalt]

Bombarded by loot this time

[narrow moss]

it tickles that primal part of your brain.

there are better spells but this one is about Prrrresentation

[jade nexus]

I have a question can I post a campaign here ?

[rough basalt]

They're gonna get some good loot

[narrow moss]

i probs wouldn't use fireball cuz i'd probably kill everyone by accident tho

"accident"

[broken imp]

oh so like what i want to do but can't find an excuse yet

[narrow moss]

lol

[broken imp]

nope go to #find-a-game to read the instructions

[empty thicket]

if i go wizard im going to not use it

[narrow moss]

and that's fine

like i said it's just fun to meme about.

[broken imp]

yea so overrated, it's nice for cc but otherwise it's really mid

[jade nexus]

I did but I did not understand it aorry we r just looking for likw 2-5 more players who can play each night online for dnd and the campaign is like kind of like the boys from Amazon prime

[empty thicket]

not so much, i get why its so meme about it

[narrow moss]

i think people meme it cuz it's mid

[empty thicket]

Its in fact a good spell

[narrow moss]

they're making fun of people who play wizards as idiots

[empty thicket]

for being lvl 3 having such AOE

[narrow moss]

also big bada boom

[broken imp]

yea i suggest for u to post it there not because we don't like it here but the mods are gonna get u and they are strict

[jade nexus]

Okay

[broken imp]

just enter the command and post ur campaign

[humble cairn]

Something I appreciate about this server, actually. Keeps the channels clean and actually useful.

[empty thicket]

there is other options, like always

[narrow moss]

i know.

but the joke.

[empty thicket]

Pulse wave, erupting earth, Thunder step

[narrow moss]

sure if you wanna be efficient and 'good at your job' D:

[sweet flame]

I just DMd you a cantrip and lvl 1 version of this spell. They’re balanced err on the strong side

[narrow moss]

above board i would not play a wizard like an idiot lol

[empty thicket]

Almost same

wizards is a nerd, i would make it act kinda like that

[narrow moss]

joke characters are fun but not if they ruin the game

[broken imp]

i thought everyone wanna be the Stereotypical Fireball Wizard™

[narrow moss]

well yeah the lizard brain wants that

i'm not saying i'm casting fireball on the first spider i see but...

i will make sure its ancestors feel it.

[hollow estuary]

Periapt of proof against poison is pretty good

Rare magic item that gives two immunities

[narrow moss]

that does sound good. but i like anything that stops poison.

has war flashbacks of pokemon red nuzlocke

[last flume]

Not even attunement in 2014, crazy for sure

[broken imp]

lol literally why poison is bad, sound good on paper but so many stuff has resis or imu

[narrow moss]

i mean for the players obviously.

[olive storm]

I feel super clever. I used Mold Earth to block some ghouls from ambushing us.

[broken imp]

oh yes to poison the players

[narrow moss]

if you're getting that periapt from the dm you likely don't have resist or immunity to poison.

[ornate rapids]

my wizard once sought out that item specifically because enemies kept annoying him with poison attacks

[broken imp]

wait do u mean player character or player

[narrow moss]

i mean a player character being poisoned

[last flume]

What is your DM doing dawg lmao 😆

[narrow moss]

if the game is poisining the players themselves i have concerns

[broken imp]

i really need to find out if i can silvery barb my player's death saves

[hollow estuary]

Great thing about magic items is you don't need to rely on the DMS generosity thanks to magic item crafting

[narrow moss]

true

[narrow moss]

that sounds evil af

[ornate rapids]

unless your dm is so petty they say 'the components for this item are in another castle' every time you look for them

[last flume]

I think you should get them to the hospital thb , if it's a saving throw you can affect it though

[hollow estuary]

Naw.

If you want them to die instantly use magic missile

[narrow moss]

but why silvery barb when you can just hit them again

[hollow estuary]

4 failed death saves auto hit their gone

[narrow moss]

i guess it's about sending a message.

[last flume]

Magic Missle doesn't count as 3 hits though

You don't make 3 concentrations saves too

[ornate rapids]

the darts from magic missile all hit simultaneously

[narrow moss]

that makes sense

[last flume]

Evil mc Evil guy here

[ornate rapids]

normally with spells this might not be the case but magic missile goes out of its way to say it doesn't in its description

[narrow moss]

probably for situations just like that

[hollow estuary]

Yeah so magic missile deals seperate instances of damage for each dart thoug

[last flume]

Not if you target only a single creature, all darts hit at the same time, not one after the other

[broken imp]

yes this is stated in the spell description

[ornate rapids]

The darts all strike simultaneously, and you can direct them to hit one creature or several.

[narrow moss]

so one big attack or a bunch of attacks on many creatures

[last flume]

Yeah

[narrow moss]

one check/fail

[ornate rapids]

so if multiple hit the same target they hit at the same time

[narrow moss]

i say check cuz concentration.

this is good to know if i play a full caster at some point.

[last flume]

They all hit at the same time regardless if you split them up or not, 2 darts on one person hit at the same, so do the rest

[hollow estuary]

Okay so if I got hit by 3 swords all at the same time would I fail 1 death save? Like mathematically all of the swords hit exactly exactly at the same time.

[narrow moss]

they're not MAGIC swords that specfiically state they hit simultaneously though

[last flume]

No, 3 swords attacks are 3 different attack rolls, magic missle isn't a attack roll and specifies they hit at the same time

[narrow moss]

that's just three swords.

different situation

[ornate rapids]

magic missile's darts all hit at the same time, specifically because the spell says they do
that means any and all hits add up to one load of damage, one concentration check or death save if it triggers that

[hollow estuary]

Okay a better example would be a maruts slam

[paper portal]

hi chat

[mighty pulsar]

hi

[narrow moss]

henlo

[last flume]

Bonjouerno

[fossil hollow]

another session of Dragonlance finished, they survived the Adult Silver Dragon

[hollow estuary]

Ahh okay well honestly just use a mage to instant kill players.

3 arcane bursts should do it

[narrow moss]

just use power word kill at that point geez

[mighty pulsar]

Hi guys I am once again trying to understand ranger as I really want to play one.

What exactly is a rangers job? (Paladin - tanking, monk - CC and mage targeting, rogue - high single target damage, etc)

I really need that ophidimancer guy 😭 he's so nice and helpful with rangers

[narrow moss]

it depends.

i plan on playing distance/support dps

[fossil hollow]

Rangers are:
Damage, utility, and control

[hollow estuary]

Mages are cr6

[narrow moss]

i'm going to use alarm and goodberry for my first two spells too

[last flume]

I wouldn't say these ideas about classes roles are quite correct thb

[hot reef]

stealth, exploration, can fulfill a lot of roles since it has rogue, fighter, and druid tools

[fossil hollow]

hes in #character-discussion

[hollow estuary]

So basically rangers are paladins that want to monk but cannot monk

[mighty pulsar]

I'm interested in hearing your thoughts

[mighty pulsar]

Why is alarm good?

[narrow moss]

i'm just doing it for character flavor

[mighty pulsar]

ahh okay

[narrow moss]

plus like, if you're resting in a dungeon having an alarm is a good way to not be surprised

[broken imp]

oooo i love rangers

[narrow moss]

is there better spells? sure. But I'm a ranger who isn't a primary spellcaster

[mighty pulsar]

help!

[narrow moss]

we have a cleric and a sorc already anyway

[broken imp]

300 damage on 1 turn in lv11

[mighty pulsar]

True, my DM does often run dungeon runs.

[narrow moss]

the plan i'm using for my ranger is mobility. but there are other ways to play one

[paper portal]

did they lance it

[ornate rapids]

unfortunately 5.5 removed some of the fun ribbon features on Ranger that let them be the exploration class

[narrow moss]

they're somewhat versatile

[mighty pulsar]

How??? Is it with beastmaster may haps?

[broken imp]

ranger good all around, in terms of combat they are nova

[narrow moss]

rangers are martial half-casters

[broken imp]

no gloomstalker + assassin rouge

[mighty pulsar]

oof

[fossil hollow]

Theyre about to fix a dragonlance soon

[ornate rapids]

gloomstalker/assassin was the only ranger i ever played

[narrow moss]

i'm doing a gloomstalker actually lol

[last flume]

Tamking doesn't really exist unless you mean soaking damage, Paladin (2014) does a lot of damage really quickly, Rogue is just not very good except at skills, Monk is guess, is pretty good at taking out single enemies with stun

[narrow moss]

not gonna assassin tho

[ornate rapids]

i love gloomstalker's ability to be invisible to darkvision

[narrow moss]

but i can see the appeal for sure.

[hot marlin]

That's not actually true. Each missile is treated as a separate source of damage, each source triggers another concentration save

[broken imp]

or take battlemaster

[narrow moss]

welp

[hollow estuary]

Oh cool.

I mean I got a level 11 build that does four conditions and 170 damage per turn at the cost of one focus point.

How did you get 300?

[narrow moss]

i guess we'll leave it to the dm's then. cuz i don't care that much about magic missile.

[broken imp]

or take the beast things whatever it 's called

[mighty pulsar]

interesting

[narrow moss]

tanking is soaking damage in part. always has been.

you get hit so squishy dudes don't.

and that's if you get hit at all.

but yeah you want to keep their attention somehow.

[hot marlin]

The problem is "so squishy dudes don't". You getting hit doesn't prevent the squishy dudes from getting hit

[narrow moss]

sure.

[broken imp]

gloomstalker, surprise, auto crit, sneak atk, sharpshooter, extra atk, action surge...

[paper portal]

the reason people say tanking doesnt exist is because theres no way to incentivize enemies hitting you rather than the squishier party members

[humble cairn]

Hello? Yes? I've been summoned?

[hollow estuary]

Ah okay so that's a lot of resources

[hot marlin]

In fact, the tougher you are, the less of an incentive enemies have to hit you

[broken imp]

there's also smt called an evade tank, so u block the hit but u dodge it

[paper portal]

one of those things is a resource lol

[broken imp]

yea and a few magic items

[hot marlin]

So, how does one "tank"?... Truth is, you either have the effective HP to be in the front lines, or you don't. That's all it amounts to

[humble cairn]

And I have found the the true mechanical niches that you get when you actually look at 5E mechanics are as follows: Damage, Control, Support, and Utility. "Tanking" is not a super useful term in D&D because it isn't a very coherent mechanical niche, it's more like a subset of Control and Support.

[hollow estuary]

Monks have so many good magic items tho

[mighty pulsar]

I'm just trying to learn the rangers playstyle as a whole. I have a mini game coming up with my DM and some friends to test out classes we want to play and Im gonna try my Beast master but idk what my niche or.. "job"(?) is.

[last flume]

Well a lot of people think of Tank like taking aggro and preventing enemies from going to your teammates, when DnD doesn't really allow you to do that

[hollow estuary]

Like genuinely everything loves to increase unarmed strikes without attunement

[humble cairn]

Mmm .. Monks have historically (in regards to 5E) been notoriously badly itemized, actually.

[mighty pulsar]

They have like two i think

The rest can be used for about everyone

[hollow estuary]

And 2024 monks are just gods now anyway.

[hot marlin]

Yes. That is the problem. Maybe you get one opportunity attack. Maybe that opportunity attack reduces that enemy's speed to 0. But that's one enemy you prevented from getting to your squishier allies

[broken imp]

block the line of sight of the enemies so they can't hit the other ppl

[mighty pulsar]

Belt of dragonhide and Wraps of unarmed prowess

[hollow estuary]

Like genuinely unkillable if built right

[humble cairn]

Eh .. I would say they have been upgraded to keep up with martials as they always should have been.

[mighty pulsar]

They're good but idk about that 👀

I've played with a couple monk fiends who forget they have one reaction

[last flume]

Monk rework was a blessing

[ornate rapids]

cast Haste on the monk and watch them fight god
and win

[broken imp]

genuinely this is so true, healing and tanking is almost nonexistent, just buff for big damage

[mighty pulsar]

Now if Monks were given some items that allow them specifically to gain an extra reaction that would be really freaking cool

[narrow moss]

rangers have a lot of diff playstyles, but Ophidimancer can probably tell you more on that.

[hot marlin]

No. Cast haste on the monk, watch the god target the caster of haste, watch the caster lose concentration. Watch the monk lose their speed

[mighty pulsar]

I'm basically copying him without knowing (i do now) so yah 😭

[narrow moss]

lol

[mighty pulsar]

watch the monk proc their reaction on a minion and then be disintegrated by the god

[narrow moss]

i'd say just think of how you'd want to play and build from there.

[hot marlin]

Haste is a good spell, don't get me wrong. But the penalty for losing concentration on it can really be a problem.

[narrow moss]

just don't try to spread it too thin

do one thing really well and it should be fine

[broken imp]

nah as ao i wish for u to be erased from existence forever, so no one will have any memory of him, all offspring of him is to die as well, and all item he is carrying...
OR, dm: "ok i'm busy lets end the session early"

[hollow estuary]

God mercy monks are the most powerful thing in this games history. Now I'm on a phone so I can't really explain but if you look at the class and subclasses from a pure power and combo perspective you will see what I mean

[narrow moss]

i'm afraid to look now

and i already looked at shadow monk

[hot marlin]

Monks are not actually the most powerful thing in this game's history.

[paper portal]

(they're like the 3rd best monk sub i have no idea what he's on about)

[mighty pulsar]

Oh okay, then I think I'm already set.

I have basically CC focused spells and then my beast of the sky to attack and fly by while I beat on people but thats meh.

[hot marlin]

Monks are good. I like monk, it's my favorite class

But no, it's not the most powerful thing.

[narrow moss]

people have opinions it seems

[mighty pulsar]

hmmm 👀

[hollow estuary]

Maybe 2014 rogue comes close

[mighty pulsar]

not that i dont believe you its just funny

[paper portal]

????

[broken imp]

u want cc or debuff, or buff ur teammates, either way

[hollow estuary]

Like really close 2014 rogue was insane

[hot marlin]

I'm sorry, what? 2014 rogue was one of the weakest classes of the game

[paper portal]

2014 rogue was notoriously really weak

[last flume]

Real and True preach your truth king

[mighty pulsar]

Oh I have enhance ability for my primal companion but thats about all i have for buffing allies

[humble cairn]

D&D 5E doesn't really have defined "roles" like an MMO. Each class can do multiple things within those niches of Damage, Control, Support, and Utility. No class is only one or another. Rangers are martial half casters. Their caster side means they have access to spells, which are the most diverse and flexible toolkit in the game. Ranger spell list has tools for all of those four niches I mentioned with limited spell slots. Their martial side means that they can always reliably contribute to Damage with weapon attacks. So what you get is someone who will look at combat in the first turn, decide what is the most useful from those four niches and cast a spell to cover that, then fall back to using weapon attacks. You can build yourself to specialize in one of those niches, but your base class is a highly pragmatic problem solver.

[narrow moss]

i don't plan on being the most powerful. I just plan on being memorable.

[last flume]

The strongest class is asking #optimization what caster to play and what rules to abuse to get infinite summons

[paper portal]

truth nuclear bomb

[hollow estuary]

Uncanny dodge and evasion and Cunning action made them near unkillable in a era where DND was afraid to give monsters ranged attacks

You could also steady aim while mounted

[ornate rapids]

can confirm, played a 2014 rogue and avoided certain death

that was my first character

[paper portal]

rogues are very very far from the best kites

[narrow moss]

seems like it depends on your playstyle and build as always

huzzah diversity.

jazz hands

[broken imp]

yes instead of roles each build focuses on one thing exactly, 1 shot, debuff in one particular area, buff damage by 1000%... etc, it's when they're the most powerful

[hot marlin]

Being "unkillable" (they aren't. You only get uncanny dodge once a turn) means nothing. "Look, I'm alive. Wait, my entire party is dead because I couldn't actually meaningfully contribute to damage"

[narrow moss]

we're really arguing huh.

[hollow estuary]

I mean yes I know that rogue has some bad builds. And I mean really bad builds. Like I'm not going to say for specific but this is like waste of party rations level of bad.

[broken imp]

ooooops ah well tis fine

[mighty pulsar]

This is very helpful, thank you and I will be saving this 👀

I guess I'll be majoring constant damage in my shilelagh (?) and minoring in support with my PrC. Fly by is really useful the more i think about it. I can give myself advantage on attacks then give rogues a free sneak attack or even force concentration checks on mages.

[glad barn]

Meanwhile, I've been accidentally murdering players for 3 editions now >_>

[hot marlin]

Defensive features are fine and good. But you beat enemies through your offensive features

[glad barn]

All these rumors of "PCs are so strong" lol. Woops.

[paper portal]

yeah rogues arent the tankiest class although it does kinda depend how you measure stuff but generally i'd say it's druid

[narrow moss]

"accidentally"

smiles.

[hollow estuary]

Okay so 2014 druid was also insane

[glad barn]

"Are you super extra sure you want massive damage to be a rule this game" he said while smiling.

[hollow estuary]

2014 moon druid was rlly broken too.

[paper portal]

2014 druid was a top tier class yeah

[paper portal]

it fell off after like level 5

[mighty pulsar]

I always add a special niche to my monks, feels like they're missing something sometimes.

[paper portal]

tier 1 hero lol

[humble cairn]

So at a very broad level I would say Rangers have a double Major in Damage and All Rounder.

[paper portal]

5e or 5.5? cus yeah 5e monks are just like that

[hollow estuary]

Then level 20 comes around and all of a sudden your unkillable

[mighty pulsar]

5.5 ;p;

[broken imp]

constant damage? dpr is great but ranger is more suited for nova just a suggestion tho i might be wrong

[ornate rapids]

my druid is still a 2014 moon druid and has not fallen off

[glad barn]

Different classes require a bit of a different focus. Monks excel when you make really dynamic battles with lots of bodies, imo

[mighty pulsar]

I meant consistent but wdym nova?

[humble cairn]

Martial abilities at base are constant damage.

[hot marlin]

On the other hand, I prefer to think of classes not as roles. I prefer to think of it as battlefield placement. Where does the class want to be?

[broken imp]

u mean after u reached high lv and now ur unkillable

[ornate rapids]

granted he has a lot of special benefits not normally in the 2014 subclass

[paper portal]

youre still stuck in a cr 6 at level 20 its really not allat

[broken imp]

big bonk vs many bonks

[hollow estuary]

Thp regeneration

[mighty pulsar]

I think monks are best when the DM use a lot of environmental factors. Difficult terrain, throwable items, leveling/depth, etc

[paper portal]

really if we want to talk about overpowered subclasses theres only one that definitively stands above everything else

in both 5e and 5.5

[mighty pulsar]

Ohh I don't know if beast master is suited for nova

[hollow estuary]

You could wild shape into a mammoth every turn for 126 thp as a bonus action

[mighty pulsar]

WIZARD

[paper portal]

yeah its chron lmao

[glad barn]

Environmental kill spots are underused too often man

[mighty pulsar]

My gosh I played a long campaign with a time wizard and he was broken as hell

[glad barn]

Like, yes, the crossbow goblin IS standing next to the open window in the tower.

[mighty pulsar]

she*

[ornate rapids]

my cleric's party has a time wizard

[tropic maple]

she

[hollow estuary]

You ever play a twilight cleric chronurgy wizard 😭

[mighty pulsar]

I wouldn't put a pinky toe near the wizard class.

[ornate rapids]

and my cleric is a twilight cleric lol

[paper portal]

holy shit its my twin

[stray atlas]

random question, do y'all think having a boss be immune to stuff like dominate person, hold person, and suggestion could work if it has a lore explanation?

[tropic maple]

holy shit no way

[mighty pulsar]

Yeah

[dim flicker]

lowkey thought you guys were matching

[glad barn]

"No brain, cant charm" works well enough

[broken imp]

waaaah
ok to be fair ur right tho

[empty thicket]

YEs, if not, aura farming

[barren badger]

i think it would be better to use legendary resistance

[hollow estuary]

Legendary resistances bro.

[paper portal]

nope lol i did this for a one off bit and just havent been bothered to change it back

[empty thicket]

some stuff like "YOU THINK THIS WILL HOLD ME DOWN?! I WILL NOT YIELD!" and break the hold

[stray atlas]

that's the problem

[barren badger]

also, why do you want it to be immine?

[tropic maple]

this is my pen-name

[ornate rapids]

any wizard player character can be immune to those spells with nystul's magic aura just by making themselves something besides humanoid
so of course an npc can

[last flume]

They would be immune to charm/paralyze in their statblock. By innate (magical) resistance or because they enchanted themselves.
Suggestion isn't a Spell that's charm it stillw works unless you're a undead

[stray atlas]

in this case it's because they're already being controlled by someone else NOT because they are normally immune

[dim flicker]

yeah im seconding everyone saying legendary resistances thunder

[hollow estuary]

Right new spells take priority over old ones

[barren badger]

a creature can't be under the effect of the same spell twice

[hollow estuary]

Just make it a avatar

And make it immune to paralyzed and charmed

[broken imp]

yea make it 100^100/turn

[hollow estuary]

Or even better make it non humanoid

[mighty pulsar]

That sounds fine to me, I would probably make the caster who tries those spells make a high arcana check every once in a while (when they see the victim) as a hint.

[stray atlas]

well that's the thing, they've got this gem thing that keeps controlling them

[hollow estuary]

And immune to charmed

[last flume]

Suggestions still works though (2014)

[barren badger]

i think it would be funny if a player tries to control a creature only to learn another creature is controlling it

[hot marlin]

From the point of view of "where do I want to be", I see multiple positions. Frontliners, who want to get into melee range and smash stuff and who will be targetted by multiple attacks. Assassins, who want to move quickly to identify key targets and eliminate, then go back to safety, hit first, hit hard and get out. Skirmishers who want to be a bit behind the frontliner, but still in melee range with the option of redeploying somewhere else. Marksmen, who want to be way over there, as far as possible under cover and snipe. Supporters, who want to cast buff spells and healing, and therefore need to be not too far away from the front liners. Spellslingers, who want to be moderately far from the action and swing evocation spells.
It doesn't say much about class, but it helps conceive of things tactically. D&D is descended from wargames, and considering the battlefield and the units over it in terms of placement is helpful

[barren badger]

and they fight for control

[stray atlas]

ok for actual context

[hollow estuary]

Creatures that can't be charmed are immune to this effect

[glad barn]

Adventurers are also not video game characters.

[hollow estuary]

(from legacy)

[glad barn]

The idea of "Ideal placement" is more for chess pieces than 'Some guy"

And the reality of combat is that it's messy, unpredictable and rarely ideal.

[last flume]

Ah I just saw that too, I remembered it differently

[humble cairn]

"Nova" damage is usually when a character can blow much of it's resources for a super high damage turn that can't be repeated often, I don't actually agree that Ranger is built that way.

[stray atlas]

this is someone who is being forcibly controlled by the bbeg to be used as a pawn

[little stream]

I would like to be used

What we talking again

[stray atlas]

said person is meant to be the main antagonist for the first part of the campaign because the players do not know they are being controlled

[mighty pulsar]

Even if they were that doesn't exactly sound fun... in my eyes at least. Why don't you agree that Ranger is built that way?

[empty thicket]

yep, but in general each class have an "ideal" position

[stray atlas]

does that help explain things better?

[empty thicket]

like incubus said

[glad barn]

Eh, too many subclasses and species considerations, not to mention synergies.

3 Clerics can be ideally placed in melee, near or far depending on their builds.

[empty thicket]

you only need to considerate your team information.
Dont take more in the bag that you need

[empty thicket]

Yep, that is part of the beauty of this game

A wizard can be either a frontliner, a spellsniper or a skirmish
A fighter can be a Sniper from afar, a frontliner or a supportish

[hot marlin]

Bear in mind that my considerations of positions are not about the class, as I stated. It's about the build. Two characters of the same class may be happy in very different positions.

[empty thicket]

etc. etc. etc.

[hot marlin]

So, disregard class.

[humble cairn]

Because it doesn't actually have the force multipliers to do that. I think that person is talking about an old optimized build based on Gloomstalker/Assassin, which is an outdated and somewhat silly build because it ignores so much of the Ranger kit to focus only on first turn damage and was toxic to the community because a certain subset regarded it as the only true way to play Ranger and they denigrated anyone playing it any other way.

[mighty pulsar]

I will never understand Quarterstaves not being a light weapon

[empty thicket]

Class, subclass, details of the character, etc. etc.

[narrow moss]

clerics be stronk

[empty thicket]

YEp

[humble cairn]

Light is the tag meant to allow dual wielding, in this system.

[empty thicket]

Cleric is rarely not welcome in a party

[narrow moss]

yep

[mighty pulsar]

oh whoops

[empty thicket]

Either cleric or Bard

Figther, wizard, rogue and cleric, the classic team

[mighty pulsar]

Clerics are always super fun to play with. I think they're currently either the first or second strongest class in 5.5e

[hollow estuary]

Twilight cleric 1 chronurgy X is just op as hell as it's a wizard that can heal, wear heavy armor shields martial weapons and has no fever spell slots then a 20th level wizard.

Among other things

[last flume]

Wizards of the Coast not Clerics of the Coast smh my head

[humble cairn]

Clerics are absolutely strong. I just personally find them boring.

[mighty pulsar]

Like thematically? If so I can understand that.

[narrow moss]

i would like to play a cleric one day.

[empty thicket]

Yeah, but i think it depend more of the player

A good player can make ANY class interesting in many ways

[narrow moss]

mmhmm

[hollow estuary]

Overall best class is wizard.

At higher levels this changes to bard

[narrow moss]

i don't think there's a best class.

[mighty pulsar]

Same, especially the battle cleric i think its called

[hollow estuary]

BARS

the best class is BARS, college of the cliff

[narrow moss]

wizard does go crazy tho

[last flume]

High Level Wizards are pretty crazy though

[mighty pulsar]

theres certainley a worst... (imo at least)

[humble cairn]

Nope

[last flume]

Rogue cough cough

[narrow moss]

nah rogues are fine

[hollow estuary]

High level bards have a better spellcasting ability and more expansive spell list

[little stream]

Fireball is always nice, I admit that. Hell in any settings even

[empty thicket]

A cleric can be either a Balance for the party chaotic energy
Or
The mom of the team that help them and support them i many ways
Or just fuel the chaos flame of hte team

[hollow estuary]

Covering cleric and druid as well as wizard

[narrow moss]

it's usually the player that determines how the character is

[mighty pulsar]

They feel yucky to play except rolling like 8d6's

[narrow moss]

and even then the dice are mean sometimes

[humble cairn]

"Best/Worst" class comparisons without being qualified are useless at best and toxic at worst, but as a personal opinion, sure.

[narrow moss]

i saw the spell rope trick and wondered how useful that would be, but then I saw the part about being in the portal for an hour lol

[hollow estuary]

Costs like 50 gp to make a clockwork amulet

[empty thicket]

yeah, tell it to me.
I rolled a 1d100 in a madness table and got the nat100

[narrow moss]

so i could see it being used as a hiding spot for an hour

[empty thicket]

First nat100 in my player life

[mighty pulsar]

Wdym by qualified? Like me as a person or the class somehow

[narrow moss]

My condolences

You understood everything. And that's bad.

[empty thicket]

Got "i found out i enjoy killing" and im teh fighter of the team....

[humble cairn]

By qualified I mean going more in depth than just "X class is the best/worse" adding it's just a personal opinion counts as a qualification.

[narrow moss]

perfection

[mighty pulsar]

Actually you know what I will say my thief rogue was extremely fun.

[narrow moss]

Fighter's resolve is being Tested

[last flume]

If Rogue was the only one with expertise they might be better but they genuinely have nothing but class identity, mechanically they are just not it

[humble cairn]

I find them really fun, because I love being able to be fast and slippery in combat, able to place myself wherever I need to be.

[hollow estuary]

No rogue slander allowed in #dnd-discussion 👍 🔥 🔥 🔥

💯

[last flume]

😭 I'm sowwy

[mighty pulsar]

Ohh, I just don't like ending my turn so quickly to be extremely honest 😭

[empty thicket]

Na, they are more than just expertise
Like ranger is more than just HM or fighter more than Second wind//action surge or barbarian more than rage

[narrow moss]

uwu sowwy
pushes fingers together

[empty thicket]

Rogue is, interesting sometimes

Would like rogue weapon options was better but beside that, they are okey

[narrow moss]

usually if you're a rogue you're a skill monkey

but not always.

[hollow estuary]

Bars is also a good skill monkey

[empty thicket]

Yep, you are the one that the team would rely in some tasks

[woven flint]

We all know the classes that deseve more love are Druid and Barbarian, right?

[mighty pulsar]

I also liked that I felt I had more to do outside of sneak attack

[hollow estuary]

Barb is really good

[last flume]

Buff Rogue

[empty thicket]

Yep, i would like a barbarian class that make him literally unstoppable. Resistance to all magics and kinds of damage.

[woven flint]

They have NOT been eating with new subclass releases

[last flume]

Disagree!!

[empty thicket]

how?

[mighty pulsar]

Monks and Rangers deserve more love imo

[narrow moss]

oh Tokii I'm in a game

[ornate rapids]

well lament barbarian seems pretty fun, in the new UA

[woven flint]

No, i mean

They need more subclasses

[last flume]

idk dawg, I would have to think about it

[woven flint]

To be released
Soon.

[empty thicket]

Ranger deserve a psychologist for fix some identity problems

[narrow moss]

yeah they've kinda done a lot to rangers lately and idk why

i'm not a fan of the new favored enemy thing they did but hey

[hollow estuary]

Give him a anti magic shield.

Idk just came up with this on the spot.

"While holding this shield, the square the user occupies is a anti magic field"

[woven flint]

Druid and Barbarian are good, but they have the least Unearthed Arcanas of all classes rn besides maybe Paladin lol

[narrow moss]

i will still choose to absolutely hate giant spiders.

kill them with fire.

[empty thicket]

Scream your lungs out and in pure power no magic affect you.

[last flume]

Monk got a good loving in 2024 though

[hollow estuary]

Alright can we have a solid 5 messages of raw druid slander

[narrow moss]

Furries. The lot of them.

[last flume]

Dirt Wizards

[empty thicket]

i will be honest. Kinda of the problem might be how limited the class is

[woven flint]

No, because Druid is genuinely good [:[

[ornate rapids]

i quite enjoy my druid

[woven flint]

I disagree, honestly

[mighty pulsar]

For cunning action I would make the study action a bonus action

[narrow moss]

wat

[mighty pulsar]

Items for Monks and Rangers and then more Ranger specific/only spells.

[narrow moss]

rangers share the druid spell list just like paladins share with clerics

[last flume]

Sure

[narrow moss]

but it would be cool to see more ranger focused stuff

[mighty pulsar]

They really opened it up with the new feature that gives proficiency in skills

[woven flint]

You know what they should do for Druids?

Give them a Subclass related to Parasites, give them a Subclass related to Symbiosis

[hollow estuary]

Has bro heard of the gloves 😨

[woven flint]

I mean, Symbiosis COULD be Swarmkeeper but SHHH

[mighty pulsar]

MORE they deserve the world after all their pain

[ornate rapids]

Cthulhu by Torchlight has a cool druid subclass, Symbiote
literally a plant growing inside you that is part of you

[humble cairn]

Rogue turns can be as simple as attacking and hiding, or they can be well considered turns about deciding what precise, non damage, objective can be done to overcome the encounter.

[mighty pulsar]

ᵇᵘᶠᶠ ᵖᵃˡᵃᵈᶦⁿ

[narrow moss]

yeah rogues have a niche still

[woven flint]

Yes, but I don't want third party subclasses.

[narrow moss]

sometimes the way to win isn't to kill the boss outright

and sometimes you have to run. SO far away.

[humble cairn]

Rogues are monarchs at Utility.

[empty thicket]

Rage brush off magic casting, so you must put spell effects in other ways or special effects
Unarmored Defense is good but you still limited by rage.
Maybe open their selection of weapons and make them more competent in that

[narrow moss]

if my dm lets me i may take fey touched.

[empty thicket]

I think there should be a subclass of Barbarian who sacrifice Hp for stuff

[narrow moss]

that misty step is calling to me.

[mighty pulsar]

Fair to say

[hollow estuary]

The gloves of soul catching bro.

Soul catching ❌

Catching these hands ✅

Every time you hit you heal 2d10

And also deal 2d10 damage to them

[empty thicket]

Primal knowledge?

[broken imp]

yea that'd be so cool

[narrow moss]

bloodbarian

[mighty pulsar]

Blood lust is really fun with barbarian

[narrow moss]

their rage would have to work a little differently or have their abilities specifically not extend their rage

but i could dig it

[broken imp]

i want to immediately make a homebrew subclass now... too bad i'm busy

[last flume]

BRUH

[empty thicket]

Yeah, primal knowledge is nice. Make you not be ONLY a fighting creature and more competent
Sorta same happened with fighter and Second wind

[last flume]

that's actually an item

[woven flint]

Okay?
That's why pretty much all mechanics for Barbarian are built around rage, ots their entire thing

It's not because its limiting, its because its a subclass you can use

Also, wearing armor doesn't stop raging unless its heavy armor

[last flume]

Not even limited to once per turn

[mighty pulsar]

You gain the following benefits.

Ability Score Increase. Increase your Strength, Dexterity, or Constitution score by 1, to a maximum of 20.

Powerful Recovery. When you roll a Hit Point Die to regain Hit Points, you can treat any roll of 1 or 2 as a 3.

Sanguine Feast. Once per turn when you hit a Bloodied creature that isn’t a Construct or Undead with an attack roll, you can expend a Hit Point Die, roll it, and regain a number of Hit Points equal to the number rolled plus your Constitution modifier.

You can use this feature a number of times equal to your Proficiency Bonus, and you regain all expended uses when you finish a Long Rest.

Berserker barbarian + Blood lust + Wine and turning my brain off

[narrow moss]

so i can slap someone to death basically

[empty thicket]

Yep, make blood spears, upgrade your defenses. Even would make it heal your allies sacrificing your HP too

[woven flint]

A Barbarian can have a magical subclass without casting spells..
Look at..
A majority of their subclasses.

[narrow moss]

lol

wild magic barb go brrr

[empty thicket]

yeah, said about it. You would be getting effects or features that WORK LIKE SPELLS.

[narrow moss]

but a blood themed one would be metal

[empty thicket]

no, blood

not metal

[woven flint]

Working like spells =/= Being spells.

[narrow moss]

iron in blood. So metal.

[hollow estuary]

If you hit all 5 attacks at level 11 from flurry of blows you deal 10d10 damage.

For context that is the same damage you would take if you got crushed by the hands of Thor the god of lightning.

Then heal for the same amount

[mighty pulsar]

wait what even is the discussion here?

[narrow moss]

idk barbarians and blood?

[woven flint]

All spells are magical effects
But not all magical effects are spells.

[mighty pulsar]

that is true

[narrow moss]

i kinda just ignore when people get too argumentative anymore but it's also not my horse in the race.

[mighty pulsar]

example: the new monk subclass

[narrow moss]

people are passionate i get it. no judgement.

[empty thicket]

oh yeah, the monk subclass that is around poison but can chose to change it to acid

[narrow moss]

oh neato

[mighty pulsar]

? Tattoo monk can do that

[narrow moss]

venom monk right?

[hollow estuary]

Plasmoid astral self monk is kinda powerful

Infinite limbs

[narrow moss]

or something i heard recently

[mighty pulsar]

stealing rogues mojo a bit

[narrow moss]

yeah but rogues can just buy poison. Monks gotta level for it.

[empty thicket]

Okey buddy, time for pull out the big guns
Create 300 arms like some ashura statue

[narrow moss]

imma die one thousand deaths aren't i.

[severe herald]

Does that mean you can shake hands with yourself???

[hollow estuary]

"For in some local folklore, they call him the hundred handed one, for his ability to sprout infinite limbs at will"

[woven flint]

I dunno how to feel about the Monk Subclass Unearthed Arcanas

I want to like Tattoo Monk because of flavoring but it's kinda.. eh..?

I want to like Mystic Monk but it feels a bit lazy and .. Eh...?

Intoxication (They should've just called ot Drunkard)
And
Venom Monk

Both seem pretty fun though

[empty thicket]

You cant already?

[mighty pulsar]

At the start of your turn, you can expend 1 Focus Point to apply a toxin produced from your blood to one Monk weapon that you’re holding. A creature that takes damage from the weapon is subjected to one of the following toxin effects (choose when you apply the toxin):

Begging them to add "or unarmed "

[ornate rapids]

venom monk looks fun to play and i will likely choose that one if i ever go monk

[narrow moss]

i mean old martial arts movies had it so poison transferred with an unarmed attack so why not

[empty thicket]

Yes, you will reincarnate and one punch will be there waiting you.
Spawncamping you.

[last flume]

Literally that one Baki character

[mighty pulsar]

It seems pretty interesting

[woven flint]

Venom Monk gives me Mercy Monk without the healing vibes, but like.. in a good way lol

[hollow estuary]

One rare magic item just completely nullifies this class 😭 😭 😭 😭

(subclass)

[narrow moss]

i mean same could be said of any class

[mighty pulsar]

Not every enemy should have it unless your DM is a stinky head

[narrow moss]

it's why you don't solo.

[mighty pulsar]

stinky poop head

[ornate rapids]

venom monk doesn't have to do poison damage though
they can sub it for acid

[woven flint]

Mercy Monk is my favorite Monk subclass, so, I'm kinda excited that its getting an Anthesis
Although Long Death was kind of that long before

[empty thicket]

yep, this is what make me angry//happy

[mighty pulsar]

sometimes I need to remind myself this is a team game when making a build and character

[narrow moss]

yep

[hollow estuary]

I mean all the guards should have it. All nobles should have it, anyone notable at risk of being assassinated should seek it out

[ornate rapids]

im glad it has that feature because poison is the worst damage to do as a player

[empty thicket]

They know poison is Not good. Most resisted damage so they give you a second option

[narrow moss]

you're supposed to support each other

if you can't do anything maybe someone else can

or you can throw a rock and flip the boss off.

[empty thicket]

But then, why not give that option to Rogue?

[mighty pulsar]

Pretty sure that would be crazy expensive for every guard to have it. Nobles... sure.

[humble cairn]

Yeah that needs to go into every part of the game: character creation, campaign creation, etc.

[narrow moss]

usually in most fantasy settings, magic is what we call

Expensive af.

you think they're gonna waste it on normal guards?

in addition to their armor and wages etc?

[sweet flame]

Guards wear plate armor?

[woven flint]

The poisoned condition is still admittedly a little rough to work on

But it's really juat a thing with Constructs, Undead, Fiends and Elementals tbh

Which are very bloated monster types, but there is more of a chance for Venom Monk to thrive in certain campaigns