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jagged apex
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also "divine giant gods" sounds a little redundant

unkempt merlin
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There is a giant god for each type of Giant

jagged apex
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to my knowledge, there are no titans in bigby's

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i think the titans as you called them, might just be you misunderstanding the concept of the giant psions

verbal barn
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Yeah, I saw their stat block and it said titan, so I mistaken them

verbal barn
jagged apex
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that is a different kind of titan

verbal barn
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I think titan was referring to the size, since it was a complement to the "gargantuan" size

jagged apex
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those of greek myth, such as the op god killing Cronus, are known in dnd as "greater titans"

iron saffron
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5E's empyreans are the titan giants of 1E to 3E, who are based on the Greek titans.

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5E has now the creature sub-type of "titan" to describe colossal primordial monsters (think kaiju)

jagged apex
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most titans in forgotten realms as i recall, long before the fall of the great giant empire, went off to the outer planes so often are different from how they use to be, but yeah as i recall the statblock for the Empyreans are basically a near perfect statblock to reskin if one wishes to use the titans in 5e from what i have been told

verbal barn
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So, aside from Thrym and Surtur, who are the other giant gods aside from Annam the all father?

jagged apex
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i linked you the pantheon earlier

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and they are also detailed in bigby's

jagged apex
verbal barn
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Thanks a lot

storm dagger
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Titans in D&D 5e are given this definition

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Titans are the divine creations of deities. They might be birthed from the union of two deities, manufactured on a divine forge, born from the blood spilled by a god, or otherwise brought about through divine will or substance.

inner path
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Is BG3 canon?

grim siren
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Yesn't.

It is canonical to itself. Wotc plays loosely goosey with canon allowing each expression of canon to be self contained like Marvel, with its games, movies, and comics.

Does it do a good job of being "canon"? like 90% of the way. I won't go into detail for fear of spoilers.

But the likelihood of a particular ending being codified like with BG 1 and BG2 that is very unlikely.

wraith nova
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Quick question
This is mainly for Planescape
Does anyone know of possible entrances of the far realm? the only things I saw was the Veil gate and that sometimes it leaks into the material plane, but that was it. I was wondering if there was any lore I could play off for this campaign

jagged apex
# inner path Is BG3 canon?

every different form of media and every edition is it's own continuity, bg3 is the same, which chooses to reference the past games in the franchise, though there are some things in bg3 that are not true for dnd proper, bg3 is basically a case of if you were to play dnd at larian studio's table with them as your DM, there is no one singular canon/continuity

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and honestly will we not know how much if any of it translates to the published lore of the forgotten realms until events from it are referenced in future sourcebooks or adventures, if at all

jagged apex
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though the 5e planescape book provides an example for a planar portal that while also leading to Gastrognome in Sigil, is also listed as the outer plane of the Far Realm, in chapter 2 of "sigil and the outlands"

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so to my understanding such a portal can lead to either destination

wraith nova
jagged apex
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the portal has nothing to do with the glitch characters concept in that book's associated adventure to my knowledge

wraith nova
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it's pretty much homebrew at this point, but I still wanna use as much lore as I can

jagged apex
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the supernatural regions section of tasha's could also be of use

wraith nova
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Super natural region? I actually haven't heard of that
what chapter is that?

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I found it

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That honestly is really useful too
and it does solve 1 problem I was thinking about, thanks a lot for that
still in the brain storming phase, but if I go the far realm route this would be helpful

tardy wasp
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Have any kobold tribes or communities ever broken away from Kurtulmak/Tiamat and embraced Bahamut in published lore?

jagged apex
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if they don't worship their typical gods, they usually worship and serve dragons, true dragons be they metalic, chromatic, ect..., as if they were gods

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but as for any specifically worshiping bahamut, idk

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so if the dragon the were accepted by to serve was one of bahamut's faithful one could presume the kobolds would also by proxy, as they model their ways of behavior on their master, most kobolds normally will not even interact with non draconic beings, but those that serve metallics to my knowledge are more tolerant towards such races mainly do to their master's will

eager bay
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Are paladine and bahamut the same person?

storm dagger
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Basically

eager bay
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Also, do all dragons come from different places?

tardy wasp
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From what I’ve gathered, they’re kind of like two separate aspects/expressions of the same core divinity. The Platinum Dragon may be known as Bahamut on some worlds and express their divine personality in one way, while on Krynn, they are known as Paladine and have an entirely separate personal history than they do on Oerth or Toril.

eager bay
storm dagger
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Yes but they are basically the same thing, like how Takhisis is basically Tiamat

storm dagger
eager bay
tardy wasp
storm dagger
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The more or less multiversel origin is this in Fizbans

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The story told in “Elegy for the First World” suggests a number of truths regarding the nature of dragons. First, it portrays the ten varieties of metallic and chromatic dragons as the first inhabitants of the Material Plane. Dragons were made to populate the First World before any other worlds came into being, but they were supplanted by the teeming peoples that the gods of the Outer Planes brought to inhabit that world. The elegy likewise suggests that dragons are living embodiments of the primordial energy of the First World, which now flows throughout the Material Plane, and that they are thus inextricably linked to the magic of that plane. The religions of numerous worlds teach that Humanoids are creatures of a dual nature—part material and part spiritual, made of the essence of both the Material Plane and the otherworldly Outer Planes. But dragons, at least in the view of “Elegy for the First World,” are wholly material, dwelling in the Material Plane and embodying its essential nature.

jagged apex
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sometimes gods are known by different names in different settings these aspects are sort of a alternate personality as sometimes these aspects can be a tad different from the version of them you may know from other settings

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also gods in dnd exist beyond linear time, so yeah, a god can exist in all times and settings they have a presence/influence in, with according to Ed greenwood needing to have at least 1 devout follower in a setting to have any sort of influence

jagged apex
eager bay
jagged apex
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basically the first dragons were associated with what is known as the first world, which was destroyed before it was finished, scattering pieces of it, and sardior across the prime material plane, so now many, and do to the first dragons being tied to the prime material plane, much like creatures of the outer planes are to their home planes, when that happened many dragons have many versions of themselves across many worlds, that some have absorbed for lack of a better term, to magnify their own power to the point of many being viewed as gods because of their power becoming so far beyond what the norms are for their breed even once they reach ancient status

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there is more details to it, but that is explained in fizban's

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also bigby's makes mentions of the first world again suggesting the idea that Annam the all father, the creator god of the giant pantheon, took the shattered pieces of the first world and used them to make the worlds we have now today across the multiverse

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honestly, i find it all a lot easier to understand if you happen to be a fan of marvel comics or things like rick and morty and thus are somewhat familiar with the basics of multiverse theory

eager bay
jagged apex
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yeah, at least dnd's own spin on it

eager bay
jagged apex
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it is indeed unclear, but like any good myth, it seems to have nuggets of truth, separating them from the rest of it is the tricky part

storm dagger
jagged apex
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personally i am in the camp of the first world being a real thing they just did not think of it let alone present it to us until recently

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like far as i can tell its seems to have a slightly better likely hood of being true in some regard, but could easily be wrong, we will not know likely, unless they just at the end of 5e's life cycle reveal this, which is unlikely

storm dagger
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Some things that support it are true, like Dragons having echoes across multiple worlds of the material plane

jagged apex
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yeah, i find the biggest evidence of it being true in SOME regard, is it being mentioned in myths by both dragons and giants, which are famous for waring with one another, especially in the forgotten realms setting, so if they agree on the concept as true, seems more likely there is some truth to it

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their perspectives are likely full of differences and bias, but they both agree the concept of the first world being made and unfortunately destroyed

eager bay
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Is chronepsis a god or not?

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Because planescape says they're the dragon god of time who manifests as an ancient time dragon or a black dragon with iridescent scales, when fizbans refers to chronepsis as just being a black greatwyrm

calm crest
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Planescape is the more recent source, so it likely takes precedent and more closely resembles Chronepsis' original lore. The quandary could be resolved by interpreting it as Chronepsis was originally a greatwyrm before becoming a full deity.

unkempt merlin
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They don't exactly contradict

eager bay
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So they do

unkempt merlin
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Not quite

eager bay
# unkempt merlin Not quite

It talks about greatwyrms being viewed as gods without actually being gods, then mentions chronepsis as an example

unkempt merlin
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Here, surrounded by hundreds of hourglasses in a vast cavern beneath the dilapidated city resides Chronepsis, the dragon deity of time and fate. Chronepsis typically manifests as an ancient time dragon, though he sometimes takes the form of a black dragon with iridescent scales. Each hourglass within the dragon god's realm is said to represent the life of a dragon somewhere in the multiverse.
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Still, some powerful dragons have so successfully extended their consciousness across multiple incarnations, and so expertly coordinated their activities across multiple worlds, that they can seem godlike even to younger dragons. The black greatwyrm Chronepsis once accomplished a feat similar to Ashardalon's, with one version of the dragon devouring multiple echoes before leaving the Material Plane and establishing a lair in the Outer Planes.
these are not contradictory

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no more contradictory than any part of fizbans with previous lore about draconic deities

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A few other dragons also command reverence from their kin. These are often greatwyrms who have undergone a sort of apotheosis, joining multiple echoes of themselves into a single powerful form. A few are ancient dragons who have cultivated their dragonsight to such a degree that they can coordinate the actions of their echoes across the Material Plane, influencing events on multiple worlds at once. Humanoids might consider these dragons gods, but as with Bahamut and Tiamat, dragons respect these figures for their wisdom, their might, their magic, and their wealth; they don't worship them.

eager bay
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Oh. Sp bahamut and tiamat aren't nessicarily gods to dragons

unkempt merlin
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I don't want to post the whole section that last paragraph is from (the "Gods and Religion" section of Fizbans) but I will post this small bit

Bahamut and Tiamat, the primordial dragons and the purported creators of the First World, are the closest things to gods among dragonkind. Since they share the same fundamental connection to the Material Plane as their dragon offspring, Bahamut and Tiamat are ontologically distinct from the gods that hail from the Outer Planes. But for practical purposes, they are divine—worshiped by mortal creatures, able to grant cleric spells to their followers, and both ageless and immortal.

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technically not ""gods"" but for all intents and purposes are

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But none of those attitudes and behaviors bear any resemblance in a dragon's mind to the worship that mortals offer to their gods.

eager bay
steady verge
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Any of the D&D books discuss witches to any extent?

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Preferably a large extent

unkempt merlin
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Witches are generally 1 of 2 things
A) just another name for a spellcaster. Usually a wizard, but also often warlocks or sometimes sorcerers
B) hags

steady verge
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Well do any books discuss hags?

unkempt merlin
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To use a named character example: Tasha is the Witch Queen for both reasons. She's a wizard and was raised by Baba Yaga (a hag)

jagged apex
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is a lot easier for you to just check the sources cited on the wiki than try to name every single source individually

jagged apex
# eager bay Oh. Sp bahamut and tiamat aren't nessicarily gods to dragons

they are canonically draconic gods, they have the proper/formal status and worshipers in the forgotten realms and some other settings, also in planescape for 5e Chronepsis is mentioned as a location in those books is heavily associated with him, being his realm, and he is consistently referred to as a god/deity, when not reffering to him by name, they reffer to him as a dragon god, being the dragon god of time and fate in the 5e continuity specifically

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but dragons as detailed in fizban's view their gods much differently than we humanoids view gods

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also, while not sure it is the case, but it might be that the non divine Chronepsis named himself after the dragon god of fate and time

glacial cliff
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Hey so, i dont know if this is the right channel but i had a question regarding rituals..doing a little reading on shadar kai i read that their ritual was interrupted by some sorcerers and they were transformed into what they are now, my questions are: 1 how do you just decide to perform such a ritual? 2 how do you determine the new outcome if it’s messed up?

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Also like, i dont know if anyone plays WoW but i often see NPCs just casting beam spells at stuff like they’re “channeling their energy” not sure if thats what was going on or what and if so how do you even..do that?

jagged apex
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in regards to the first part, i think you might be mixing up some things

unkempt merlin
jagged apex
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well either way to my knowledge, 5e Chronepsis, Bahamut, and Tiamat are proper gods presently even if they did not start out that way, they have managed to reach that status

unkempt merlin
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I literally quoted otherwise

unkempt merlin
jagged apex
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looking at what ontological means, i fail to see how my statement is any less accurate, they are still formal gods, just not the same as other typical gods

unkempt merlin
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You literally tried to say they are separate beings

jagged apex
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for the two different mentions of chronepsis, yes, that was my theory, but that is separate to the bit you quoted most recently

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and i did say i was not sure if it was even the case, meaning i made it what i felt was clear i could easily have been wrong

unkempt merlin
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And for that bit, it literally says they are not "proper" gods. Just function like them

jagged apex
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no, it says they are "ontologically distinct from the gods that hail from the Outer Planes"

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and from what i can find, ontological means one of two things
"relating to the branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of being." or
"showing the relations between the concepts and categories in a subject area or domain."

unkempt merlin
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"But for practical purposes, they are divine"

That, alongside the use of the word ontologically, tells us that they aren't "proper" gods

jagged apex
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to me it just means they are of a different nature than other gods

unkempt merlin
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They function the same for matters of the divine. But aren't gods proper

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Which is what you claimed

jagged apex
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as i don't see why they would feel the need to use such an obscure, to my knowledge, word rather than speaking more plainly, as in the past dnd has been more clear in seperating gods and powers

unkempt merlin
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I'd suggest reading the section of Fizbans I mentioned then

jagged apex
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i did though

unkempt merlin
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It tells you multiple times that, while on a practical level they are gods, on a "categorized" level they are not "'proper"' gods like you keep claiming

jagged apex
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i think we are just misunderstanding each other so i am just gunna drop the topic there so we are not just clogging the channel

unkempt merlin
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Not to mention ontilogical isn't a very obscure word. It's just a descriptive one

jagged apex
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well to my knowledge it seemed obscure, as i was unaware of what it ment until recently and prior to fizban's did not even know it was a word

feral lintel
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Are there any named death tyrants?

jagged apex
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if there are, none are listed on the forgotten realms wiki

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and otherwise idk if there even are any, at least to my knowledge does not seem to be any in published materials

feral lintel
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interesting, such a interesting enemy and monster, yet almost no presence

jagged apex
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well given the way they come into being is not that surprising i feel, the description on their wiki page cited as being from the current 5e monster manual "A death tyrant was the result of a beholder's mad dreams of existing beyond death. On the rare occasion in which such dreams took hold of a live beholder, its flesh rotted away, and a naked skull with spectral points of red light for eyes would emerge. A death tyrant held much of the powers of the original beholder, now fueled by the power of Undeath"

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so at least in 5e, is already a specific situation, a bit of chance still, and even rarer then to get one that more so turns into one rather then manefesting a new being

feral lintel
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Im surprised there isnt at least one though since.. 2e

jagged apex
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like the multiverse is huge sure, but beholders do to their power, paranoia, and the danger they pose are not exactly a species of creature well known to where is just easy to find one that has a name

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closest thing we have is a variety of the creature, which is nothing more than another version the creture rather than a named individual

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right below ecology, but seems to imply since they are described as being made from dead beholders when made deliberately, that presumably is not something one would undergo willingly, on top of their paranoia and viewing themselves as perfection and others, well not perfect to put it simply if memory serves

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like their typical personality basically makes anyone "not like themself" a target in their eyes to be attacked, and given their own opinion of themselves, makes working with others or wanting to intentionally alter their bodies extremely unlikely

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so odds are most people that did meet an individual beholder, likely suffered any number of horrible fates that would make them unable to share that info on the off chance they did get the name of the individual

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like a lot of the notable known beholders in the realms are largely either part of or running some sort of organization, likely as a means of keeping the maddening paranoia they tend to have in check, or are outliers and exceptions to the typical nature of their kind

vocal mortar
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Not a Wizards of the Coast-book, but there is a regional guide to the Border Kingdoms from GameHoleCon (written by Greenwood and Kammer) that have secretive death tyrant named ||Quurlanxlam||, ||it seems he might be hiring adventurers, so his name could be known to some people.||

sinful pasture
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what dnd5e deities would urge their clergy to search for magical / lost artifacts the most?

humble junco
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Help, I can't decide between getting Ed Greenwood's Elminster Forgotten Realms, A Grand History of the Realms, or the 4e FR campaign guide as a softcover book off the DM's guild 💀 . I've got PDFs of the last two but I haven't read them for years tbh and I'm trying to get whichever one will be most useful in a 5e lore context.

jagged apex
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or at least you could make an argument for gond

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unless said artifact happens to be specifically associated with a particular god and their faith, then logically said gods would be valid

humble junco
iron saffron
jagged apex
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and even then, some like the raven queen got new versions specifically for the 5e continuity

humble junco
humble junco
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Sooo Grand History or Ed's thing.

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Anyone got those?

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Eh I'll just get both they're on sale on DM's guild

jagged apex
jagged apex
obsidian gate
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well they do have an apocalypse event every few hundred years or less

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at least in recent history

sinful pasture
jagged apex
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because he is not really a god and to my knowledge he has not really attempted to effect the prime material plane anyways

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so at least far as i can tell would not make any sense for artifacts of his to be sought out let alone by any gods via their followers

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closest thing i know of him having to an artifact in published materials is the spawning stone, which to my knowledge has ever since he deployed it in an attempt to bring order to the natural chaotic neutral plane of the cosmos, said plane being known as Limbo, it has remained across the various editions over the years

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so this seems more rooted in the realm of homebrewing for your game so probably better to ask and brainstorm in #dm-world-building

sinful pasture
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i mean.... it could make sense that a cleric is doing the mission for coin

jagged apex
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not really, cuz again, there are no such artifacts, at least that we know of in published materials

feral lintel
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This channel is for official printed material and information

jagged apex
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and even then is tricky cuz most such orginizations i can recall are not actually religious

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cuz it not only involves homebrew clearly, but seems more so specifically for your own game and your take on the setting you are using

strange rose
# humble junco Anyone got those?

Elminster's Forgotten Realms is great if you want all the worldbuilding fluff you'd ever need. I've found the last chapter, on gods and their followers, to be very useful. But other than that section, I don't think it's super useful for creating adventures in the Realms. It's more geared towards filling out the setting and making it seem lived-in, which it does very well, IMO.

humble junco
humble junco
dull vessel
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How do beholder uhh

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Reproduce?

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Like how are they made?

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Are they born or?

sick temple
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Uh, so in any setting, is there a war between elves and humans and what is it called

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I can't find one

iron saffron
# dull vessel How do beholder uhh

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Beholder#Reproduction

Occasionally, a beholder, while sleeping, would warp reality with its subconscious mind and spawn a fully-grown beholder instantaneously out of nothing right there where it slept. If it was dreaming about itself, it may have created an exact duplicate of itself, otherwise it could spawn a beholder-kin or even a completely unique beholder-like creature. The same dreaming could result in bodily alterations for the beholder. Each orb possessed an instinctual knowledge of one's body, and dreaming alterations were without limit.

iron saffron
sick temple
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Damnn

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Do you know any interesting wars involving humans?

iron saffron
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Which setting? That question is vague.

sick temple
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Honestly just any setting, just a war that humans were involved in

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Actually it would need to be one the humans lost

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If that even exists

iron saffron
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Which setting?

sick temple
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Uh

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I don't really know

iron saffron
sick temple
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Sorry I'm new to this

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Okay I think

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It's forgotten realms

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I think

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Whatever that means

iron saffron
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The Forgotten Realms is one of many campaign settings set on the planet of Toril (which is located in Realmspace). It is specifically in the continent of Faerun.

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Why do you want to know about wars if you don't know about the campaign setting?

sick temple
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I'm trying to better understand my character who originates from a war (he's a human) so I can flesh out his story

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The campaign has only just started

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And its just a few friends

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So I don't really fully know the setting

iron saffron
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This is something you have to work with your DM based on their setting.

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There hasn't been any recent wars in the Forgotten Realms setting.

sick temple
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It's my first dnd campaign so it's a bit of a mess

sick temple
iron saffron
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Work with your DM.

sick temple
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I'll try to do that

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I thought it was an established universe that you couldn't rly alter

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But okay?

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This is confusing me

strange rose
iron saffron
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DMs can change stuff even with official settings.

iron saffron
strange rose
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Sure. But some might still think that "recent," in the grand scheme of things

iron saffron
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What were the wars in the 1480s?

sick temple
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I've found a war

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With humans losing

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War of 512

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That'll work probably

iron saffron
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Um, no. 512 DR is is about 1000 years before the current timeline.

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1495 DR is roughly the current official "current year"

strange rose
fluid atlas
strange rose
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also the Unther-Tymanther war, which may have continued into the 1490's

sick temple
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They're asleep rn

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I'll talk to them tmrw

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Though they're on the same knowledge level as me so lol

jagged apex
jagged apex
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sure there is an official published continuity, but even then both creators of the settings and people who own the licence for the game if any encourage you to change things to suit your table and preferences, has been a thing since the earliest of editions to my understanding is why stuff like homebrewing is always supported in some way, is kind of baked into the dna of dnd

humble junco
# sick temple I'm like 80 percent sure it's in forgotten realms

Honestly the closest and most recent Realms thing would be the war between Myth Drannor (elves) and Netheril (mostly evil humans) with Cormyr caught in the middle. Your human character could be from Cormyr if your DM is willing to bend or backpedal the timeline

jagged apex
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also, i just noticed, seems that forgotten realms had 3 different goblin wars, like i knew the elves had a lot of civil wars, but did not know we had a trio of goblin wars, even if one or more is probably in name only since some of the names given to the wars in the lore are despite the races actually evolved in said war https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Wars

strange rose
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we've got elf wars, orc wars, goblin wars, troll wars...

jagged apex
humble junco
strange rose
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in this case it was the Thultanthar Netherese, which were pretty evil in general

humble junco
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*Corrupted Shadowfell

strange rose
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yes. The 'Empire of Shade'

humble junco
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Karsus was one of them right? Dude who blew himself and the remnants of Netheril up and WOTC refuses to elaborate

jagged apex
jagged apex
humble junco
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I‘ve been playing Warhammer for two years god I’ve lost my touch I used to be the FR lore guy

jagged apex
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dude is listed officially as either being chaotic neutral or just plane neutral in terms of alignment

strange rose
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they were shifted into what was then known as the Plane of Shadow during Karsus' Folly, so they escaped that disaster

jagged apex
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sad part about karsus is he wanted to become a god to save the empire he loved and it's people, despite being just one of many wizards with a flying city, but his ego and hubris made him fail HARD

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he literally chose the one god that was the only objectively wrong choice cuz he thought she'd be the best for his purposes

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like i am 99% sure any other god would have been sufficient, especially if they were a god of war

humble junco
jagged apex
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but he assumed he was write cuz it was his spell and he was such a prodigy

strange rose
jagged apex
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last i checked, all gods of war in any setting they are worshiped in, are empowered by acts of war

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plus war is literally the only thing in his portfolio, at least these days, it was even broader in older editions

iron saffron
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Warriors can pray to Tempus without being in a "war"

humble junco
jagged apex
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like in 3e which seems to be his first time as a god proper, his portfolio contained
"Battle", "War", and "Warriors"

strange rose
# humble junco Ok there we go I was getting my timelines mixed up. Karsus pulls his shit. Then ...

1800 years ago, Thultanthar shifted into the Plane of Shadow, and a week later Karsus' Folly happens. The leaders of the enclave find out about the disaster and decide to remain in the Plane of Shadow so they don't fall prey to the same fate as the rest of Netheril. They remain there until 1372 DR, when they reappear above the Anauroch desert. The Spellplague happens, then the Second Sundering, and eventually Thultanthar crashes into Myth Drannor in 1497 DR.

jagged apex
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spellplague was when cyric murdered her

humble junco
jagged apex
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mystrl was the one that died in karsus' folly ie the og incarnation of her

humble junco
strange rose
# jagged apex last i checked, all gods of war in any setting they are worshiped in, are empowe...

In FR, gods gain their power through worship, in particular when an action in relation to their portfolio is performed while invoking that god's name.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Deity#Description

A god's power was in large part determined by worship, the sum total of actions performed when venerating some divinities over others, including prayers and offerings in addition to general deeds and behaviour. The more fervent the worship and more abundant the worshipers, the stronger a god became.

humble junco
jagged apex
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everyone that goes after her just assumes they planned better than the last person that did it, shar tried, and failed, to take control of the weave in her death and almost lost control of her shadow weave

strange rose
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the "while invoking their name" part is important. Mystra doesn't gain power whenever any wizard uses magic. Only if you use magic while invoking Mystra's name does she gain power from it.

humble junco
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Just ordered Grand History of the Realms since I lost my PDF of it so gimme a week or two and I should have my former FR lore knowledge back

jagged apex
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from what i recall, the invoking the name part was only important in so that other gods were not also being empowered if they had similar portfolios, could be i am misremembering, though i feel the things they have in their portfolio are important to their power at least in the older days, after the time of troubles i know it was made more dependent on the worship of their faithful

fluid atlas
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Deities only have power in their home realm, correct? For example, deities from the Forgotten Realms have no power in Greyhawk? If so, do people who draw their powers from deities lose them when they go to different realms?

iron saffron
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"Realms" would mean a deity's home domain in the outer planes.

Gods don't have influence in systems they aren't worshipped in. In Realmspace, the overgod Ao controls which deity has divine power in the system.

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In 5E, clerics and paladins' powers can be "self generated" by their faith and not necessarily directly by their patron deity.

jagged apex
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though usually of the two is mainly the paladins that are directly using divine magic, basically tapping into the same sources the gods do, but have a drastically more limited degree they can channel it, at least as i understand it, and with clerics traditionally it is only up to a certain point as after a certain level of spell power it requires the aid of a deity for them to cast stronger divine spells

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at least mainly that was the case with them in some of the older editions like 2e

jagged apex
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from what i am aware though a deity can have a god in another setting grant their cleric divine magic on their behalf if they share a domain, though this is more so just if one of their clerics is going from one setting to another as part of their journey of some importance to their deity, like say Palor's best cleric had to go to the forgotten realms, the mainly focused on planet being called toril, another sun god in the forgotten realms such as Lathander could grant spells to that cleric on Palor's behalf if Palor does not have any worshipers native to the forgotten realms, let alone enough to grant the spells he normally would

iron saffron
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Yes, deities can have an intermediary — demon lords had used CE deities to grant spells to their cultists in past editions.

potent plume
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Ok, I hear there's a false life thing Patrons can grant their warlocks and it's not the spell. I refer to fiend patrons in particular but I was lead to believe that any patron can do it. Is this correct from a lore perspective?

iron saffron
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This seems like a gameplay question rather than lore.

hallow pawn
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Fiendish vigor? Yeah, all patrons can mechanically. Lore wise, I don't think any expanded lore sources have explained that out.

potent plume
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Alright, I was told there was a lore reason a patron could grant a warlock false life a limited amount of time. I have been questioning this since I had posted in a server about how I could use fiendish Vigor to cast the spell as many times as I wanted to. Someone said that there's two versions of false life. The spell and something a patron can do when they still need the warlock to do something important and the warlock has died. The second version had a lore based version.

iron saffron
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The lore is between you and your DM to discuss how the particular patron would act.

potent plume
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Ok.

iron saffron
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Remember that this channel is to discuss established published lore of official campaign settings.

hallow pawn
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Fiendish Vigor is just the spell False Life though.

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Warlock patrons just in lore are capable of many things.

potent plume
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Yeah, I was told there was a lore reason why I couldn't just get as many false lives as I wanted until I clarified that I was talking about Fiendish Vigor but it wasn't expanded on exactly. So I figured that I would just ask here.

iron saffron
potent plume
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Ok, I was given the impression that there was an official lore source, as well as a mechanic. I guess I was wrong.

vernal needle
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Did mordenkain and Tasha rise before vecna

iron saffron
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Before Vecna: Eve of Ruin I'm assume you're referring to?

jagged apex
# vernal needle Did mordenkain and Tasha rise before vecna

not sure what you mean by rise, as that can mean a number of things, and in some cases only one of them ever became a god, which often is what people may assume is ment by rise in the context of dnd especially when you mention someone like vecna

steady verge
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Any demon types that would be servants of Orcus that might fit the description of:
“Villain is a pale skin figure with a look of a tiefling with black oozing cracks through his skin, he wears black almost living armor with a pillowing purple cloak, and he carries a black staff with swirling purple threads around it. He wears a crown of bleeding thorns”
Thats also a necromancer

jagged apex
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not to my knowledge

jagged apex
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remember technically the demons we have lore and stats and what not in the lore of dnd are only a tiny fraction of the possibly infinite different kinds that the abyss is constantly creating

steady verge
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I sorta figured but I wanted to check

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I can write something new but didn’t want to if I didn’t have to

jagged apex
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to my knowledge no demons are ever, outside of individuals, resembling an exisitng mortal race, tieflings included

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so that could be your first way to assume there is no such creature in the lore

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especially when adding specific pronouns, items, and things like classes

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heck some of the stuff you described sounds exactly like certian magical items that exist in the lore and would be independant of the creature wearing it anyway

steady verge
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The bleeding crown is whats trapping him to Orcus, the staff helps him with particularly big power bursts, the armor is a creature he trapped

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The cracks are where he tried to resist and got torn into

potent plume
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Ok, so as Succubi are considered fiends in 5e and they have flipped between being classified as both demons and devils over the previous editions what happens when they die in the material plane? Where do they return to? Is it the Abyss, the Hells, or is it now just anywhere in the lower planes?

iron saffron
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5E didn't update the lore for them on that.

strange rose
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Probably the most consistent interpretation would be: they discorporate and reform on the Lower Planes like other fiends. Which plane specifically? Whichever plane you decide that particular succubus is native to.

jagged apex
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as last i checked in 5e they can serve, demons, devils, and other fiends

normal garnet
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Does a cleric's magic work in the city of Sigil?

potent plume
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Thanks

jagged apex
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the 5e planescape books even have a section that details what changes are made to magic in sigil, if any, mainly relating to spells that summon or teleport

normal garnet
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Thank you!

lean tree
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Anyone here familiar with Dragonlance?

iron saffron
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What about it?

lean tree
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I'm running Shadow of the Dragon Queen and for most of my players, I have customized stories planned for them based on their classes and backstories... save for the shifter monk. I don't know what to do with him

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For example, the druid and ranger have both been chosen by Chislev, goddess of nature. Their path would lead them to discover the Chislev's lost grove in the northern wastes and restore it to its former glory. The grove contain Chislev's teachings that enable anyone who learn from those teachings to be druids or rangers, much like the heroes of the lance finding the Discs of Mishakal that enables anyone to learn to be a cleric of Mishakal.

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The party paladin/warlock has already met Leedara, a ghost created as part of Isolde's curse on Lord Soth. Leedara's goal is to foil Lord Soth's ambition even though she doesn't have enough power to do so on her own. But she has become the pad-lock's undead patron in hopes that he would be able to foil Lord Soth and his plans. This fits the pad-lock into the main campaign like a glove.

iron saffron
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Okay, so what do you want to know lore-wise about Dragonlance's War of the Lance?

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Discs of Mishakal were in Khisanth’s lair, recovered by the Heroes of the Lance in 351 AC (DL1 Dragons of Despair).

lean tree
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I have read the novels as a teenager when they were first published. What I need now is more of some kind of plot that ties my shifter monk player to the main campaign story

iron saffron
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This channel isn't here to help you create a new story that's more #dm-discussion

timid basin
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so, within the fallen realms, is there a good aligned god of the undead

sharp owl
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Do you mean the Forgotten Realms?

naive field
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are death tyrants sentient because I know beholders are and aren't death tyrants just like zombie beholders so can they make conversations, have plans...

timid basin
sharp owl
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Yes, Death Tyrants are beholders transformed into undead by dreaming of their own deaths, but are still aware/sentient/sapient

This monster possesses the cunning and much of the magic it had in life, but it is fueled by the power of undeath.

naive field
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thanks

timid basin
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looking this up ive seen Nyx come up as a result, but that seems to be reaaaallll old lore with inconsistent results

sharp owl
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(That was quoted from their Monster Manual entry btw)

grim siren
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When it comes to gods of the undead not really. Undeath is seen as a universal terrible thing with the exception of good aligned Arch Liches from 4e. And Baelnorn liches that guard elven secrets.

naive field
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do zombie beholders exist and do they have the same powers as death tyrants and regular beholders

grim siren
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Yes. They do. They are featured in the Waterdeep Hard Backs, the 5e monster manual and the 3.5 monster Manual

sharp owl
timid basin
sharp owl
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Nope

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Undead is a broad net from zombies to vampires to lichs

timid basin
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or they can be sapient and they're all just bastards

grim siren
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Specific beats general. The specific nature of the Forgotten Realms that always trump the general nature of Dungeons& Dragons.

sharp owl
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In almost every D&D setting there is the full range of intelligence across undead

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From mindless zombies and skeleton minions to scheming lichs and vampire lords

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And in some settings, undead can be good too

timid basin
grim siren
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Yep. As I cited above the Baelnorn in the FR are good ish aligned.

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Jander Sunstar was a good aligned Vampire.

timid basin
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so yeah I guess circling back to the original question I had, is there a god for those good aligned undead people

hallow pawn
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Undead don't have souls, so I doubt there is a specific god for them?

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Like Jander I think followed Lathander

modest badger
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Some undead are souls

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Some have them, some don't

hallow pawn
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I had assumed zombies and stuff.

grim siren
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Not in the Forgotten Realms. There isn't. Your major gods dealing with undead things are Vealsharoon (Red wizard god), Shar (The original evil in FR), Kiaransalee (real gross), and Myrkul (One of the evil dead three)

timid basin
grim siren
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It really didn't for him lmao

timid basin
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fair I guess lol

hallow pawn
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Tragic story for Jander.

timid basin
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like that seems like a real quick way to get smited

grim siren
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He was a paladin of Lathander before he was turned into a vampire. Then he got swept away into barovia and accidentally introduced the faith of the Morning Lord to Ravenloft.

timid basin
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being a vamp and drawing lathlanders attention by praying directly too him

hallow pawn
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Really? I didn't know that. I know he went to hell with Zariel before she was a devil.

grim siren
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That was after he escaped barovia and tussled with his Arch nemesis Strahd

hallow pawn
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Did he beat Strahd?

grim siren
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Yesn't

hallow pawn
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I feel like he'd be mismatched against him.

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Strahd slapped around (curse of Strahd spoilers) ||Mordenkainen|| even though he really shouldn't have been able to do that lol

grim siren
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The nature of Ravenloft means Strahd can't be beaten.

Martyn the Mad was saved from vampires by the Morninglord, whom forced them to spare the boy. (In fact, this was simply Jander Sunstar whom insisted Strahd and his cronies not kill the boy, but Jander's gold elf countenance made Martyn confuse him with Lathander Morninglord).

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Martyn then spread the faith.

timid basin
grim siren
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Partied is not really the answer there.

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It was a massive L for him the whole time.

timid basin
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oh

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"got tortured by" ?

hallow pawn
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He ran away.

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Hell too scary, he noped out and left Zariel to die.

timid basin
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ohhhhhh

hallow pawn
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He joined the Hellriders as they went to Avernus.

timid basin
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wait, was that before or after the vampire stuff

hallow pawn
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He was a vampire then.

grim siren
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Zariel wasn't picky

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Certainly not as much as her god.

timid basin
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so wait, he allready went toe to toe with strahd, and then decided now was time to be a coward?

grim siren
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He would tell you. If he hadn't quit the field. All that would have been accomplished was more dead men trapped in Baator.

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It was a hopeless battle and Zariel refused to leave.

timid basin
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okay, so he fought a tactical retreat, he didnt just rout and flee?

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thats completely understandable if so

grim siren
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It was partially a blind panic. But a sensible blind panic

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Hell is not a place any sensible person should want to be. Especially the front line of the Blood War.

hallow pawn
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Yeah, it was a pretty stupid move.

timid basin
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I feel like the only way you win a war in avernus is with a large nuclear arsenal

grim siren
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Sunstar's whole life is a tragedy. He hates Vampires. He only fed on the dying and the accursed. And he has lost the grace of not one but two gods.

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He wandered Mistledale for a while, preying on bandits asleep in the wilderness but not killing them, just drinking a little from each in their group. One night though, the group he was following were alerted to his presence and he had to flee. When he stopped, he encountered the goddess Eldath, who offered him sanctuary in a holy grove of Silvanus. For as long as he didn't leave the grove, he would be a mortal elf again, though sunlight would still be deadly. He met a priest of Silvanus from a nearby abbey, coming to draw water from the sacred pool and the two became friends. The next night, wood and antlers were on the ground and, seeing it as a sign, Jander whittled them into statuettes of Eldath and other shapes, which he gave to the priest for his abbey to sell. Jander was extremely happy with this life until one night when he saw that the abbey was on fire. His new friend struggled to the grove saying that they were under attack but Jander should stay in the grove lest his divine absolution be revoked. Jander couldn't stand the sight of thugs beating his friend and left the grove, using his returned powers to slaughter them and saving the lives of many of the abbey's residents. But when he tried to return to the grove, he found that he could not—a painful, invisible barrier prevented him from returning and he doubted Eldath would offer him succor twice.

jagged apex
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if anything would at best just make things tilted in the favor for the demons, since their numbers are infinite

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and technically avernus is just the front lines/first line of defense on the devils' side of things

steep drum
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Got a question relating to an individual in the backstory of my character.

jagged apex
jagged apex
steep drum
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It's relating to a question about one of the gods.

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I'll go ahead and ask it here and relocate if you think it would be better asked elsewhere.

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If a Dragonborn paladin of Bahamut were to abandon their clan in a time of need, would this constitute a breaking of their oath?

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And the clan in question would also consist of worshippers of Bahamut, if that would make any difference.

jagged apex
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honestly would depend on their oath, but abandoning thier clan in a time of need would be a massive no no in dragonborn society

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besides paladins and their oaths and what ever god they serve, if any, don't really have much if anything to do with each other, especially in 5e

steep drum
jagged apex
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their god would have nothing to do with their power anyway

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this channel is for talk about what is told to us in the published materials officially put out

steep drum
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Gotcha. Thanks!

jagged apex
timid basin
jagged apex
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does not change things really, honestly if anything makes it more likely to just blow yourself up

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and that is just assuming nukes were even gunna work or even an option, cuz while earth is canonical place in the dnd multiverse, compared to magic, stuff like nukes is not so widely spread across the multiverse in terms of being used, least far as i know, one could argue that nuclear weapons would be basically "the poor man's alternative" to high level magic

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cuz at least with like earth, cuz of our lack of magic unlike most places in the dnd multiverse, our tech ain't rooted in magic, it is rooted in something very different, and technically a weaker or inferior in most cases to my knowledge

grim siren
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Even then if you nuked the infinte plane of Avernus, the infinite demons of the abyss would just destroy the multiverse because it was funny.

jagged apex
eager bay
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So, is there any specifics on like how fast trolls technically heal? Like biologically what is their nutritional intake? How many cells do they produce a day? Do they like, magically heal faster when injured or is their cellular refresh rate consistent

jagged apex
jagged apex
# eager bay So, is there any specifics on like how fast trolls technically heal? Like biolog...

to my knowledge there is no such info, as it is more so a supernatural ability that most trolls are born with, though if memory serves there are a few species, like at least one, that have no regenerative abilities at all, but it is not really something that is scientifically quantifiable, as it will keep regenerating from any damage so long as it is not exposed to large amounts or strong enough things like acids or what have you that counter their generative abilities which is reflected mechanically

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and though i could be wrong on this, to my knowledge, among creatures with regenerative abilities, trolls are the quickest in terms of how long it takes for them to regenerate

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but paritally do to mechanics, a troll can regrow an entire body apparently in about 6 seconds

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i believe AJ Pickett covers that sort of thing in his lore video on trolls, otherwise is more so on the side of mechanics and is not detailed in lore in anywhere near the kind of speicifcs you seem to be looking for far as i am aware https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sChpdrEP-8E&t=1s

shrewd bobcat
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Wish they expanded somewhat on Troll lore.
They could be amazing if they handled them properly.
And not just as an inherently evil “monster”

jagged apex
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i think you are over simplifying things

iron saffron
jagged apex
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cuz they are, is just like many giants their values and ways of thinking are a lot different than say a human's

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they are effectively somewhat intelligent predators, more so than just "evil"

iron saffron
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https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Troll#Society

Trolls had little in the way of society. They traveled in non-migratory clans of 3-12 and, upon discovery of an area rich with prey, would establish a lair, most often within a cave. They were often located near smaller human settlements, including established roads as those who traveled off the path served as a great source of food. Once established within a region the band of trolls would hunt and devour as extensively as possible until all resources had been exhausted.

unkempt merlin
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Trolls got some lore in Bigbys

jagged apex
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and besides them being different than what you would do does not mean at all they did not handle them properly, as they are inspired by the source materials in our own world, not 1 to 1, this applies to ALL monsters in dnd that are known ot exist in things like mythology, folklore, ect...

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dnd trolls are dnd trolls, the only way they could not handle them properly is if they literally ignored their own lore entirely

shrewd bobcat
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So, basically your saying they’ve always been trash mobs and they always will be…. Lovely

iron saffron
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Given their regenerative trait they're apex predators not "trash mobs."

jagged apex
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trash mobs? sounds like you are thinking more mechanics than lore

timid basin
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is undead being alergic to normal means of healing something from old lore or is that still true

iron saffron
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If you're referring to 5E undead, there's no universal trait for undead to have vulnerability to radiant (aka "holy") damage. That's a gameplay mechanic side of things and not really lore as it pertains to the monster statblocks.

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Older editions' undead were more connected to the Negative Energy Plane but 5E has little to no reference to that any more.

jagged apex
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well more so in 5e not all undead are connected the negative energy plane

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some are and have thus mentions of that connection, but is not a super common or universal thing these days

timid basin
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okay, good to know thanks

jagged apex
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plus is less alergic and more so weak to

timid basin
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oh I thought in olden times if you cast heal wounds on a skeleton he'd explode

jagged apex
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cuz postive energy and negative energy more or less act like matter and anti matter, they don't get along

iron saffron
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The individual undead monster statblock will say if they have vulnerabilities to radiant (aka "positive") damage.

timid basin
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so things with vulnerability to radiant explode from healing?

iron saffron
calm crest
iron saffron
calm crest
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Interestingly, mummies, despite being undead, are connected to the Positive Energy Plane rather than the Negative one, and would theoretically have the opposite reaction to most undead, at least in prior editions.

iron saffron
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Huh.

jagged apex
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unless the dm house rules otherwise of course, but again that is more mechanics than lore

calm crest
jagged apex
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but at least in 5e, unless it says otherwise spells like cure wounds have no effect, healing or harming on undead by default

iron saffron
calm crest
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I checked and my 1e MM says the same. Haven’t found any mention from 3e or later, though.

tardy wasp
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Does Greyhawk feature any lunar deities? I know it has 2 moons, but I can't find much info on how they impact religion in the setting.

sacred breach
gray thicket
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Hey quick question, who is the more common/prominent god of death in forgotten realms? specifically in and around the sword coast? specifically ones that were prominent 5-700+ years ago

strange rose
# gray thicket Hey quick question, who is the more common/prominent god of death in forgotten r...

Myrkul held that title until 1358 DR, during the Time of Troubles, when his mortal avatar was slain in Waterdeep. Shortly thereafter, the mortal human Cyric ascended to godhood and claimed Myrkul's portfolio, though he was known more as the god of strife and trickery than the god of death. Ten years later in 1368 DR, Kelemvor defeated Cyric and became the new god of death.

Now, all three gods still exist in the wake of the Second Sundering, but Kelemvor is the main god of death. Myrkul is a much less powerful "quasi-deity" and death is no longer in Cyric's portfolio.

gray thicket
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For context its for CoS, thought it might be cool to have one of the NPCs comment about how Barovia makes a mockery of life and death with the whole trapped souls thing, in reference to how theres so many undead around etc and that they could mention how due to being in a demiplane the death god/s that would be furious about it have no power here or something like that? But this is in Barovia which has been cut off for centuries so wanted to check that the gods/timeline match up as the barovians wouldnt know of any religions/gods that came about after they became cut off.

strange rose
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So per lore I don't believe the land of Barovia originated in Faerûn, though of course that's a choice you could make. (and there are already parallels to this with the whole Morninglord thing, so I think it's cool to expand to more gods)

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but yeah if you're playing in the 1490s DR, Barovians would only know of Myrkul from those three. And while Kelemvor hates undead, Myrkul is all about it

gray thicket
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In my game im using forgotten realms as we may continue after CoS, if they survive.. and cos they were familiar with it due to BG3 etc so abckstories were easier, Ive set it as a demiplane roughly North of Daggerford

sharp owl
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Barovia is from a forgotten world, ie it doesn't originate from any published setting

sharp owl
strange rose
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yeah you could have your player characters be from Faerûn, but that wouldn't change the fact that Barovia came from some other forgotten world

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having it be from Faerûn would be changing from that default (which is allowed, just felt the need to point it out cause this is #dnd-lore after all)

gray thicket
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Yeah its an official lore question, just for what was relevant half a millennia ago in sword coast lol, the existance of a barovian demiplane in Faerun thing doesnt change all the religion stuff that existed before it came to be

jagged apex
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as being from a forgotten world long since sucked into the domains of dread, it would largely be cut off from any gods or it would hinder their ability to aid their worshipers, also canonically it is located in the shadowfell in the 5e continuity and has 0 relation to any forgotten realms or other published settings, all of it's culture and the like is onto itself and presumably is all that remains of that part of the unknown world it hailed from

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incorporating forgotten realms elements specifically or otherwise any alterations would be for your table and your take on the setting only and thus would be more so #dm-world-building than dnd lore proper

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not to mention the flow of time can sometimes be a bit wierd in both the shadowfell and domains of dread to my knowledge

strange rose
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I think we've covered all that

jagged apex
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5e's version of the setting has a book called "Van richton's guide to ravenloft" which notes things such as religion in the domains of dread as a whole, including one unique to it

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the one note worthy faith mentioned in 5e is that of "Ezra, god of the mists" which is detailed in that book, as vague as it is, and any connection to other gods are more a private thing specific to one's family or traditions, is not like your typical setting with a pantheon of deties that are publicly worshiped

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though it says any deity in the player's handbook could find followers in the domains of dread, so there is not really any singular answer

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but if it helps, in order of their time in the role, the gods of death in the forgotten realms are Jergal, Myrkul, Cyric, and the current god of the dead Kelemvor

jagged apex
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as half a millenia ago from the latest date we know of in the forgotten realms would be at that point in time

gray thicket
lost pebble
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what happens to Aasimar when they die, do they like ascend to minor godhood?

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could one hypothetically be a Celestial Warlock Patron?

unkempt merlin
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An aasimar dying dies the same way as an other mortal

lost pebble
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even in cases of stuff like getting old? Do they never shed their mortal body etc?

unkempt merlin
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They aren't gods. Much of the time they aren't even part celestial

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They just have the power of the heavens. Which isn't always a direct lineage thing

jagged apex
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Aasimar canonically are just mortals infused with energies or with lineages associated with the upper planes

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is not tied into gods, let alone godhood, unless you homebrew it that way

feral lintel
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Theyre the celestial version of genasi and tieflings

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thats it

jagged apex
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the example in bg3, if you know you know, is closer to a half-celestial or a demigod than an aasimar in the traditional sense, and really is only an aasimar in that specific continuity, it is not the norm for aasimar as a whole

lost pebble
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Good to know

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(I haven't played BG3 yet, might eventually)

jagged apex
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and even then, becoming a god requires worshipers, if if you are the child of a god

feral lintel
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And Ao's permission too iirc

jagged apex
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does not matter how powerful you are, no worshipers, let alone enough worshipers, you are not a god in dnd

jagged apex
lost pebble
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What are the requirements for being a Patron then?

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Lesser than godhood?

feral lintel
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Up to you and DM, not really covered in lore

jagged apex
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you just need a certain level of power, is not tied to any form of godhood

lost pebble
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This is mostly for my own DMing ideas. Wanted to potentially make a Half Elf's Aasimar descendant their Celestial Patron

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Ancestor*

jagged apex
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celestial gives you at least 3 examples of valid candidates for such patrons for warlocks

feral lintel
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Unicorn, Empyrean, and Kirin

jagged apex
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also, your Aasimar would really only be a half elf physically, but that otherwise is a bit more mechanics than lore side of things technically

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else if wanting more specifically on your character specifically and any other non published lore based factors, might be better suited for #character-discussion

lost pebble
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Yeah I did read up and saw that Aasimar are also half elves by technicality too

feral lintel
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Eh?

jagged apex
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eh, not entirely

feral lintel
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Aasimar can be from any mortal race

jagged apex
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as just like tieflings, the plane touched nature does NOT have to be biological in nature

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you simply could have been infused with the energies of the plane or a being from those planes

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and pretty much anything in between, it kind of has always been varied to my knowledge, especially by the time of 5e

lost pebble
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I see

feral lintel
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I think as of rn, tieflings are still kinda locked into humans?

jagged apex
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far as i know they are at least heavily associated with humans, cuz not every races has a separate but equivalent, even these days in the 5e continuity tanarukk are more so half-fiends than tiefling orcs

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and the other counterparts to my knowledge have yet to be reintroduced

feral lintel
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I mean, unlike aasimar, tieflings didnt get a multiverse update. Probably because its a PHB race

jagged apex
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we will just have to see in the 2024 version, which will likely include such info for the framing device

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so for now we simply will have to wait and see

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at least going by what is currently documented and cited on the wiki for the forgtten realms

modest badger
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Hmm, for simplicity of mechanics, the genasi/tiefling/aasimar have been human only. There can be other species equivalents (Fey'ri, tannuruk), but these three terms previously only applied to human heritage:

2e Planescape:

Part human and part something else, tieflings are the orphans of the planes. They can be described as humans who've been plane-touched. A shadow of knife-edge in their face, a little too much fire in their eyes, a scent of ash in their presence- all these things and more describe a tiefling.

3.5 Races of Faerun, under Aasimar:

While elves, dwarves, gnomes and halflings with good outsider ancestry are reputed to exist, those crossbreeds are not true aasimar.

And tieflings:

Fiend-touched and similarly tainted mixes of elves (notably the fey'ri), orcs (such as the tanarukk), and other races are known, but those are distinct lines and are not true tieflings.

4e, Heroes of Forgotten Kingdoms

heirs to an ancient infernal bloodline , tieflings have no realms of their own but instead live within human kingdoms and cities. They are descended from human nobles who bargained with dark powers

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But other planetouched do exist, just under different names or the 'planetouched' umbrella:

Dead Gods (2e) planescape module, when talking about visiting The Vault in the Greyhawk Setting:

Sure, tiefling drow exist, but most of the time they’re killed by their elf parents or taken away by their fiendish ancestor.

From Races of Faerun, so a bit FR specific, but then their was very little lore elsewhere in 3.5 for this:

The child of an outsider and another creature is a half-fiend, half-celestial, or half-elemental. If one of these half-blooded creatures has offspring with a humanoid, the result is usually a planetouched creature. The offspring of two planetouched is always a planetouched. Mixed-heritage planetouched of this sort take after one or the other parent (seemingly equal chances) but carry the traits of the other parent, which may show up in their own children. The offspring of a planetouched and a normal creature of its type (such as the child of a fey’ri and an elf) has an equal chance of being planetouched or “normal,” but carries the potential for planetouched children in either case. Sometimes the outsider bloodline becomes dormant for one or more generations, only to manifest many years later.

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It will be curious to see how 2024 tieflings handle this

unkempt merlin
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(As of MMM, both Genasi and Aasimar can be non human derived)

feral lintel
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^

molten pasture
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All the half elves disappear how they going to explain that

covert island
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They are still there. They are just not gameified as their own species choice anymore

molten pasture
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I know 😦 I was just being sarcastic. I felt strongly against removing them.

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Or at least the reason they removed them.

unkempt merlin
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they are still there

jagged apex
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and either way, seems more so a topic for #dnd-discussion rather than dnd lore, as changes to mechanics of the game does not always mean anything changes in terms of lore

sharp owl
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You're erroneously conflate a mechanical change to a lore one

naive root
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I need to know the lore about dumathoin and what would he do, If a massive secret protect good gods, but make it easy for demons and evil recruting people. Maybe it is downside for protection of treasure of the earth?

jagged apex
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as for the rest of your question, not even sure what you are asking

tardy wasp
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Do all the gem dragons have planar connections? I know Crystal draws on the Positive Plane and Topaz on the Negative, but I can't quite tell if the others share such a quality.

crude blaze
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Not that I recall from Fizban’s. I don’t know about the old editions though

jagged apex
eager bay
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Whats the current consensus on Dragonborn lore?
I'm just curious about the newer settings take on them

unkempt merlin
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Born of dragons, as their name proclaims, the dragonborn walk proudly through a world that greets them with fearful incomprehension. Shaped by draconic gods or the dragons themselves, dragonborn originally hatched from dragon eggs as a unique race, combining the best attributes of dragons and humanoids.
Is the PHB

eager bay
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So they more or less go with the PHB, alright seems legit

jagged apex
jagged apex
eager bay
sharp owl
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Dragonborn lore obviously differs from setting to setting

eager bay
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I would hope so

sharp owl
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For example, on Exandria there are two types of dragonborn; Ravenite and Draconblood, with different appearances

jagged apex
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the one in fizban's is not only a bit more of a close up in terms of the 3 major types, but is also setting agnostic

jagged apex
sharp owl
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Dragonborn of Exandria, along with all other mortal peoples, were created by the prime deities

unkempt merlin
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In Eberron they are pretty direct creations of Dragons

jagged apex
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dragonborn in most settings if i am not mistaken have their origins a bit up in the air even in universe with a few different origins that are believed by some or at least theorized

eager bay
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Right

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I didnt know they had so many different iterations, the main one i knew about was uh,,,,they were like, aliens from another world or something

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And ofc the phb

jagged apex
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like in forgotten realms to my knowledge, though we don't know how, supposedly they have some sort of connection to the dragonborn of bahamut from years past

eager bay
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That might have been 4th edition

jagged apex
eager bay
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Yeesh

jagged apex
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5e largely retains that history, with those on toril, at least among the older members of the species being from Toril's sister world of Abeir, transported there during the events of the spellplague, which if i am not mistaken is detailed on their forgotten realms page

eager bay
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Yeahhhhh

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I vividly remember that

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I remember the...."fanfare".....of the spellplague

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Big hit that one

crude blaze
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I feel like dragonborn lore/history is mostly “mythic” in 5E based off of setting and such

jagged apex
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honestly forgotten realms and exandria are the only settings i know of with their own lore for the dragonborn, others in theory at best just go off the more setting agnostic stuff in books like fizbans

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lore and history are not always one in the same

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often they go hand in hand, but are by no means joined at the hip

crude blaze
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That’s why I kinda said mostly

jagged apex
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also, not sure entirely what you mean by "mythic"

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at least in this sense

crude blaze
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As in mythological. As in they don’t have an exact in-universe answer as to why they exist.

jagged apex
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well that is not really correct

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as there are ones, but largely is a debated topic among those of the forgotten realms

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but the fact is it exists, just there is no an agreed apon one that is portrayed as a matter of fact, at least in the forgotten realms, eberron and exandira having their own setting specific lore

crude blaze
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Okay, lemme try and rephrase what I’m trying to say here: I’m most settings (maybe excluding specific examples such as Exandria, the Forgotten Realms, and I believe Eberron), dragonborn don’t have explicitly detailed lore in regards to their existence.

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In other settings, iirc, they’re just believed to be a humanoids folk who were descended from dragons. With not a lot more info, and Fizban’s making it as setting agnostic as possible.

jagged apex
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mainly cuz at least to my knowledge they don't have lore for that setting, so at best in 5e for setting agnostic stuff, fizban's is the only case i can think of but can't remember off the top of my head if it mentions any sort of idea of an origin for them, as it is largely just between the newer incarnations of the player character stats and the later dragonborn champions and their lore

unkempt merlin
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"They don't have super specified origins" =/= "they don't have lore"

eager bay
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👀

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Thanks for the information

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Dragon dudes cool

jagged apex
# eager bay Dragon dudes cool

fun little lore tidbit, the average dragonborn body temperature is feverish when compared to that of a human, at least to my knowledge

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one of my favorite things about dragonborn, at least in the forgotten realms, is their honor centric culture, it reminds me of another fictional race i adore, the Sangheili from the halo franchise

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i just find how important the concept of honor tends to be to dragonborn in the forgotten realms interesting

wet roost
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Honor & clan above all else

cosmic otter
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Would a human raised in the feywild be able to become a changeling, through deals and trickery and magic and whatever?

sharp owl
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That's not really a lore question

delicate stirrup
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Hello! So, I am not new to Dnd. I have been around for years and I have read the DMG, PHB, in various editions and some Drizzt and Dragon Lance novels. The classic books mainly. I would like to learn more about the lore. As I am missing kind of an overview of the things happening. My favourite setting is Faerun. Any idea where to start? Guide to Faerun I guess dndLol But any other pointers?

sharp owl
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Try the Forgotten Realms wiki

thorny phoenix
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I'm just wondering the infiltration to Zhentarim or Harpers is super easy if the main thing how you prove your allegiance are the pins. You can just take a pin from a dead agent and be perceived as a member of that organization when you show your pin to other members in the street. Is my assumption correct or am I missing something?

sharp owl
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As far as I can remember, the pins for the harper are magic and/or entrance to a harper stronghold has magic that detects a harper member

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and for Zhents, each cell would be familiar with it's members and if you're from another cell, well firstly you're not supposed to mingle, but even then, a current cell member would need to vouch for you

thorny phoenix
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That makes super sense. Thanks for the insight, Davyd. Zhents from a different cell wouldn't trust you per se, but having a pin and acting like a Zhent could give you a better starting position at trying to earn their trust, I believe.

sharp owl
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Correct, it's called compartmentalisation and is the main mundane means of securing cells that they have (again, going from memory)

copper harbor
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Based on current lore, how should a Githzerai character act if they come face to face with a "friendly" Mind Flayer?

sharp owl
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As far as I can recall, there's never been a "friendly" mind flayer, so this is a hypothetical far beyond the scope of this channel really

copper harbor
sharp owl
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Check out #channel-guide for finding out which channel would be most suitable

feral pike
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When was Baldur’s Gate established? From all the games that has it u can visit, seem like to quote Obi-Wan Kenobi: “You’ll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villiany.”

jagged apex
feral pike
storm dagger
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There are a couple of fairly friendly Mind Flayers in the Society of Brilliance

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Gith will generally be hostile no matter what probably

gritty lion
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Do warlocks keep there powers if their patron dies?

calm crest
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There are vestiges, which can be patrons to warlocks. While not strictly dead, they are not alive, either.

thorny rock
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How technologically advanced is spelljammer?

unkempt merlin
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Generally not. Fundamentally they are based around magic

thorny rock
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Is it star wars esque?

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Ngl, my second question would be if phones, or cell reception exists (it's for star map flavoring)

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From a fictional standpoint, what would you compare it to?

sterile breach
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Take Pirates of the Caribbean and put it in space.

fluid atlas
jagged apex
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technology in dnd, mainly worlds with magic, unlike earth are rooted in magic rather than what we on earth root our tech in, magical items are technically tech in dnd

jagged apex
jagged apex
# fluid atlas Spelljammer is still fantasy, just in space

it basically just emphisizes dnd's nature as science fantasy, by making both elements just as prominent, over the years sci-fi elements have been down played or not utilized to the point most people assume things like guns and the like are out of place, when the fact is they are not, dnd is not simply medieval fantasy unless you force it

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i mean for crying out loud the first time the froghemoth was introduced it was literally in a crashed spaceship, yet people have gotten it in their head that dnd somehow is medieval fantasy, i feel is likely just cuz how heavily faerun, especially the sword coast has been focused on over the years, which just happens to have architecture reminiscent of medieval europe, especially with like i said, the more sci-fi elements basically having been pushed to the back if still there, that the fantasy elements just become so prominent and people probably associated those with medieval fantasy

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srry, got a little lore nerd ranty there

calm crest
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Spelljammer is a lot like Jack Vance’s “Morreion.”

versed shell
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Oh to whoever I was talking to about Jergal and Spellweavers, I found it isn’t just fanfic/homebrew.

Ed Greenwood’s editor (The Hooded One), said on CandlekeepForums “Jergal is too NDA’d for him (Ed) to say much” about his ascension, and “much has not been revealed” about any ties that may exist between Spellweavers, thri-kreen, and a connection to the Lord of the End of Everything

wide nimbus
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Want to ask about sorcerers. Sorcerers get power from lineage right? What if both parents have different lineage? Is there chance for say... the child to be of one of the lineage(say shadow sorcerer) and through some stuff, become of the other lineage(say clockwork soul)

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Asking cos, I have a shadow sorc at a high lvl that I want to respec to a clockwork sorc.

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And was wondering if I can somehow explain the change without changing his backstory.

crude blaze
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For example, a shadow sorcerer could have acquired their power from living close enough to a portal to the Shadowfell that the exposure eventually got them. They don't have to have their parents be a sorcerer too.

wide nimbus
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Ah okie thanks!

pearl anchor
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Hey I have a lore question about a background 'Uthgardt Heritage'.

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It says that this tribe is violent and bloodthirsty, but the feature for this background states: "Additionally, you can call upon the hospitality of your people, and those folk allied with your tribe, often including members of druid circles, tribes of nomadic elves, the Harpers, and the priesthoods devoted to the gods of the First Circle."

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I'm sorry, but why would they be able to call upon the harpers? They are a violent bloodthirsty tribe.

sharp owl
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"violent and blood thirsty" is not mutually exclusive with "honours alliances"

pearl anchor
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Oh I see.

fluid atlas
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Have there been any instances in lore (besides the Mind Flayer Arcanist stat block) of Mind Flayers learning traditional magic

balmy garden
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Would you say that all monsters in the beastlands are awakened?

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Like mechanically speaking?

feral lintel
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Lore doesnt deal with mechanics

balmy garden
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Hmm

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I see

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But they all talk right?

feral lintel
verbal barn
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does the dragonborn have a tail?

untold karma
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No. Except in BG3 and on Exandria.

shrewd bobcat
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Oops. Old post

storm dagger
unkempt merlin
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(Yes they do. Many of the npcs do)

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But also tailed dragonborn exist outside of just those

storm dagger
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the default is no tail

unkempt merlin
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For some settings

crude blaze
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I think Exandria is the only setting that is very direct regarding whether they do or they don't, and that's because their entire caste system is based off of whether you have a tail or not.

feral lintel
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Eyo? Tail based discrimination?

crude blaze
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Yep

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In Exandria (or at least Wildemount and the culture of Draconia), dragonborn with tails are the upper class oppressors and the tailless are the slave class.

unkempt merlin
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(Just as an example of a tailed dragonborn outside of Exandria: Arkhan the Cruel. While he doesn't have a specific setting he is from, he still has a tail)

feral lintel
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... yknow, ive always wanted tails for dragonborn, but damn i did not mean for tailless ones to be lower class

unkempt merlin
crude blaze
crude blaze
feral lintel
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I love Arkhan the Cruel

unkempt merlin
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Correct. I'm just talking about in terms of his canon appearances. He is called out as having been to exandria, but isn't from there.

feral lintel
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He was visiting iirc

unkempt merlin
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Which means wherever he is from (in canon) also has tailed dragonborn

unkempt merlin
feral lintel
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Oh woop

unkempt merlin
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I believe there are also some tailed dragonborn in some of the worlds accessible from the Radiant Citadel

feral lintel
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Its criminal to me that they didnt have a tail to begin with in 5e

crude blaze
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Radiant Citadel gets kinda iffy though, cuz they're not their own worlds, they're just locations that can be accessed from whatever the world decides for their personal game.

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Like it's kinda to discuss the canon lore of different settings in Radiant Citadel, cuz canonically, the locations in the Radiant Citadel appear... wherever you want.

unkempt merlin
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To a degree yes. But the Radiant Citadel itself is its own place

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It's one of those "via proxy" things that occurs regardless of where the worlds are set

crude blaze
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Yeah, but the city is a hub that's composed of... whatever settings you want.

unkempt merlin
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Point being that the lore that occurs from each of the adventures is (generically speaking) canon

crude blaze
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Similar to Spelljammer. The only worlds that exist in any given RC or Spelljammer campaign are the ones that the DM says exists at their immediate table.

sharp owl
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Not quite, there are "canonical" locations connected to the Radiant Citadel (I'm using "canonical" to refer to the books internal canon). Those are:
Akharin Sangar
Atagua
Dayawlongon
Djaynai
Godsbreath
San Citlán
Sensa
Shankhabhumi
Siabsungkoh
Tayyib
Tletepec
Umizu
Yeonido
Yongjing
Zinda

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There are also "lost" concord jewels that serve as a device to connect other settings

crude blaze
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But what I'm saying is mostly that they don't have their own official world setting, if that makes sense. To the point where the book offers suggestions for some official worlds you can drag and drop them into.

sharp owl
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In the sense it's not yet been defined, sure. But those worlds exist in some "canonical" capacity

unkempt merlin
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if for no reason other than the fact that they a) canonically link to the citadel and b) have the cultures and setting as described in them

balmy garden
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Would you say ubtao and cat lord have druid followers?

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Also would you say ubtao and cat lord are friends?

high socket
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So, I’m decently versed in Sword coast lore, but there’s a question I’ve had a few days, how would someone who ascended to godhood get their domain, Is it based off desire or smthin else?

grim siren
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Ascension is a very rare act in the realms. And their divine portfolio is based on a few things, first gods of the same Pantheon do not share portfolios. Typically a portfolio was gained because a Mortal killed a god and just... took it. Or in the case of the Dead Three it was bequeathed to a mortal from a god who no longer desired it.

Ao is in charge of managing and assigning portfolios he would have the ultimate say in what domain/portfolio any new god would have.

high socket
grim siren
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Without the direct approval Ao, not really.

feral lintel
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(Thats for Realmspace only though)

grim siren
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Yes, they specified Sword Coast

feral lintel
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Ah, didnt catch that

sudden robin
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Do illithid thralls have minds of their own too, like can they think for themselves?

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SOrry to interrupt

grim siren
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And that is specific to the Faerunian Pantheon, other pantheons might have different rules but those are not as fleshed out.

Draconic, Mulhorandi, Chultan, Seldarine, Dark Seldarine, Morndinsamman, Asathalfinare, Yondalla's Children, Lords of the Golden Hills, etc. Might have different rules.

grim siren
sudden robin
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ahhh

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I just asked

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over in character discussion too

feral lintel
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If they can think, its usually not rebellious or anything of that sort

sudden robin
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Mmmm, yeah I was thinkign about them still serving the mindflayer

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But they warm up to the party and have stray rebellious thoughts

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over time of course

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thanks for the feedback guys

grim siren
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To explore such things I recomend reading Baldur's Gate Descent into Avernus, and playing Baldur's Gate 3 as such things are discussed heavily there.

sudden robin
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Im almost complete with BG3, I gotta find a game of DiA though

light cradle
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How frequently do you think dnd worlds get murdered like in the multiverse

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Like is a common occurrence for them to fall to darkness or is there like a good Balance of guys to stop that form happening

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It is always the bad guys that have all the big army’s and stuff rarely do you see like a pack of angels or whatever

pallid spear
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whats the lore behind the city of Silverymoon?
(north faerun)

modest badger
open badge
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I’m getting some mixed messages on the aging process of elves. Is there any consensus on how they age over their lifespan?

Progressively or quickly to maturity, then stopping and then quickly again? Or maybe something totally different

modest badger
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They reach maturity around the same ages as humans, so mid twenties, then slow.

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Age. Although elves reach physical maturity at about the same age as humans, the elven understanding of adulthood goes beyond physical growth to encompass worldly experience. An elf typically claims adulthood and an adult name around the age of 100 and can live to be 750 years old.
-PHB/BR

In MToF elven milestones for age brackets is determined by their past life reflections:
MToF (Legacy):
Adolescence:

Most elves experience their First Reflection in their second or third decade.

Adulthood:

The Drawing of the Veil marks an elf's passage into adulthood, which typically occurs at the end of the first century of life.

Elder elves:

At some point during adulthood, the reverie of an elf's trance is first interrupted by a new form of unbidden thought. This seemingly errant memory arises not from the elf's personal experience, nor from the memories of the elf's primal soul, but comes from another life and another time.
(...)
Most elves undergo this experience in their third or fourth century.

pallid spear
unkempt merlin
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The whole "elves are adults at 100" thing has always been a cultural thing

pallid spear
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oh do you mean like they consider themselves as adults when they are 100yrs old?

unkempt merlin
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Yes

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Physically they mature as humans do (towards human adulthood). Culturally its not until 100.
Kinda like how irl you are not culturally considered an adult until 16/18/21/some other point (a "real" adult type thing)

light cradle
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So chult has dinosaur?

feral lintel
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Yes, chult has dinosaurs

light cradle
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Sweet

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Can the go other places

light cradle
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How hard is it to talk to the average god

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Also is there like an theoretical end game that the good god are working to i know the bad guys just wanna conquer everything but what would the good guys do if they got their way

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And how are they trying to do that

modest badger
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Can't really deal with theoretical question in this channel. Rule of thumb is can we quote a book to answer this question, and theoretical questions tend not to have an official answer and would come down to 'what would work best for your game?'

light cradle
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Dag nabbit

lethal moon
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I knock on their door and offer em a drink

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Usually works

light cradle
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That would work. Where is their door tho?

ionic rivet
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This channel is for asking questions about actual specific D&D lore

lethal moon
light cradle
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Ok like how many ancient ruins are there.

ionic rivet
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In what setting and what region of said setting?

light cradle
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Well that’s nebulous so not a good question

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How about what year is modern day forgotten realms is in

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How far has the history been written

modest badger
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I'm going to quote @grim siren here, for he truely is an FR enthusiast:

furthest year in Faerun 5e is 1496 DR Year of the Duplicitous Courtier

that is for the adventure The Orrery of the Wanderer found in the Acqusitions Incorporated book. The year was provided the writer https://x.com/TychoBrahe/status/1148315665511485440?s=20

The furthest Year in all of Realms Canon is 1600 DR The Year of Unseen Enemies as explored in the excellent novel Dawnbringer by Samantha Henderson

With books like SCAG and Rime sein in 1489 DR. Kas also lists most of the assumed or proven dates of the modules:
#dnd-lore message

light cradle
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Thank!

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Is ki like the same or different form the weave

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It seemed a bit more independent because it’s like the power within

grim siren
# modest badger I'm going to quote <@416060397679017984> here, for he truely is an FR enthusias...

elminster_heart

I should probably edit that list for Eve of Ruin and Nest of the Eldritch Eye but to my knowledge there is some weird math going on there

With Nest being around 10 years after Eve of Ruin.

It says mount Hotenow errupted 50 years ago making it 1501 DR.

But then Eve of Ruin says it happened around 40 years ago putting the HC at 1491 DR.

That's more of a head scratcher than Descent into Avernus and BG3

jagged apex
# light cradle So chult has dinosaur?

dinosaurs in the forgotten realms technically live scattered all over the place, but chult is known for having the most dinosaurs of any part of the world of toril like in one location, like you are drastically more likely to actually see one in chult versus anywhere else on toril

jagged apex
jagged apex
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which means it would take place before eye of ruin, at least far as i can tell that is the intent

sharp owl
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Nest of the Eldritch Eye is explicitly a prelude to Eve of Ruin, so any dates that disagree with that would be a typo
Then again, there's also the possibility that because one of the time frames given is in boxed text, it's simply rounding to the nearest dramatic sounding number rather than a precise date

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For example, if EoR is set 44 years after the erruption and Nest 43, you could round down for the latter informatively and round up for the former for dramatic effect

balmy garden
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Why can't I find the House of Nature in Sigil and the outlands ?

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Are they not canon anymore??

sharp owl
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Are you maybe getting confused with something else? I can't find any such mention of a House of Nature

balmy garden
sharp owl
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Oh, you mean a plane

balmy garden
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yes

sharp owl
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It's part of the World Tree cosmology
Sigil and the Outlands is based on the Great Wheel

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The Outlands only connect to those planes that are part of the Great Wheel

balmy garden
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Whats the difference of world tree cosmology and great wheel

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i thought planescape encompasses all planes

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cuz plane

sharp owl
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They're different ways of conceptualising the planes and the relationships between them

balmy garden
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is world tree cosmetology canon in 5e atm?

sharp owl
sharp owl
balmy garden
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would house of nature be included in planescape setting? or nah?

sharp owl
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That's not a lore question

balmy garden
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true

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where do i ask

sharp owl
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Two scholars in Candlekeep could be debating the nature of the planes and one could base their theories on the Great Wheel model which is supported by the nature of the Outlands, while another could base it on World Tree model which is supported by the existence of Yigrasil pieces in the Astral Sea

balmy garden
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so outlands = great wheel cosmology

sharp owl
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I don't know what you mean

balmy garden
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okay so i found this in wiki

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nope cant send pictures

sharp owl
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Just maybe rephrase your question?

balmy garden
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anyways according to the great wheel, outer planes are outside the wheels

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am i correct in understanding?

sharp owl
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No, there's one wheel

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That's why it's called the Great Wheel, singular

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The material plane forms the axel, the inner planes form the spokes, and the outplanes the wheels

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The transitive planes of the Ethereal Plane and Astral Plane fill the "spaces" in between

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The important thing is that it's non-literal, it's a tool for visualising the metaphysical relationships between the planes

balmy garden
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hmm

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I am trying to find the connection between the Beastlands and House of Nature.

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I can't seem to map where to find House of Nature

sharp owl
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It's like the Tube map for the London Underground; the stations and routes on the map don't actually match their real world locations and paths, it's a representative tool. And like the Tube map, you can visualise it either as a map of all routes and stations winding around each other, or each route as a straight line with the stations listed along it
Neither is "right" or "wrong", just different ways of expressing the same information

sharp owl
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Because there's no physical path between them

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You would have to find a route via other planes

balmy garden
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i mean map like metaphorically

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like i wanna connect these concepts

sharp owl
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There isn't one because they're part of different cosmologies

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To loop back to the Tube map simlie, you're asking for a way to connect the Tube map to the map of the Paris Metro
Yes, you can get from one to the other, but the two are not connected

balmy garden
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sorry idk the references im asian

toxic flame
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What are some canonical ways to enter and exit the Feywild?

sterile breach
toxic flame
sterile breach
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No idea.

light cradle
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If you get infected by a lycanthrope do you turn into the type you where infected by or is it based on your personality

balmy garden
sharp owl
timid basin
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might be like vampire the masquerade for that, you get turned into the kind of weird thing that turned you, but weird things tend to turn things they like / are like them in some way

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so its kinda a self selecting thing, each new generation being vibe checked by the previous generations choice wether or not to turn them

unkempt merlin
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Not really

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Mostly just happenstance.

light cradle
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What is the dnd literacy rate in the forgotten realms

reef cape
light cradle
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What would you think like earth midevil levels or higher

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Specifically on the prime plane

small ingot
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I would imagine it's similar to the medieval times where it depends on the area

reef cape
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It would vary extremely depending on the area, first and foremost.

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Literacy among the Uthgardt nomads of the North is probably much rarer than among the people of Waterdeep.

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On average, one could expect it to be around... Not quite medieval level. Honestly, the setting sometimes looks more like the Renaissance or Enlightenment period than the medieval period

light cradle
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And a setting where reading can literally let you warp reality I bet it’s a higher priority skill to teach. Or maybe that would make it more controlled?

grim siren
# light cradle What is the dnd literacy rate in the forgotten realms

Most people north and east of the Sea of Fallen Stars are literate, at least to some degree. This is not the case; travelers and tutors have intimated throughout the Realms. Westgate, southern Sembia, and perhaps Hillsfar are the predominantly literate areas in the vicinity, and Waterdeep on the Sword Coast; elsewhere "trust to your tongue", as wayfarers say.

  • Forgotten Realms Campaign Set 1e Cyclopedia of the Realms Page 8
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Waterdeep is a crossroads trading city with a stable, longterm nobility, wealthy successful merchant class, and guilds who run apprenticeships. Population at any given time is about 20 percent visiting sailors & caravan outriders (3/4 illiterate), another 20 percent laborers who are 1/3 illiterate, and all the rest of the Waterdeep's populace can read and write at a basic level, or better. So: 21% struggle with the written word, another 20% get along fine, and the rest read and write often and for pleasure. Small rural thorps and hamlets may be very different. If not on a trade-road, they may be 90% illiterate, clergy being the main exceptions. On a trade-road, it's usually closer under 70% illiterate.

  • Ed Greenwood's Twitter
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All nobles can write and read, and most of their senior retainers (envoys, messengers, scribes, seneschals, chatelaines, stewards) can, too. All cooks in royal and noble households can read and write. Most knights can read and write, unless they happened to be illiterate and were knighted on the battlefield/for war service. Even farmers in Cormyr can struggle along with written proclamations, getting one word in six or so, and puzzling out the meaning; they go to local priests to make sure they've grasped the nuances (and yes, the priests can read and write. ;} )

  • Ed Greenwood's Discord Server on Cormyr's Literacy rate.
jagged apex
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like i doubt i am the only that thinks is perfectly plausible for someone accidently enter a fey crossing and wind up in the feywilds

jagged apex
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and even then is not the most common occupation as not everyone is able to afford it or has the ability to tap into the weave, granted most people native to toril do, but there are peoples who do not, most that i know of having been taken from earth long ago

spice meteor
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Q: In the Cleric Quintet there was a sect of fighting friars at the Edificant Library, but I forget who they worshipped. Was it Deneir? Oghma?

light cradle
jagged apex
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eh, debatable, as some spells will be useless without the proper materials or knowledge of the proper gestures, ie material and somatic components

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usally especially the case of the sort that would actually alter reality in a significant way, at least to my knowledge of what i can recall

jagged apex
light cradle
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But don’t every wizard need a spellbook

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Could just be pictures I guess

jagged apex
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well it is more so a tool but not entirely required is more so for their notes on spells that they have learned, and that is also very expensive, but there are likely some spells that require no reading to lean as i know there are some, though very few that i am aware of, that don't require any verbal components

light cradle
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Like cantrips?

jagged apex
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not necessarily, some as i recall are leveled spells and that is mainly just what i can recall from 5e on my own

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some examples being Catnap, Ice Knife, Rime's Binding Ice, and Steel Wind Strike

light cradle
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How’d you learn those?

jagged apex
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i quickly checked the dnd beyond data base, toggling the appropriate filters

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and only 4 such spells in published 5e materials seem to even be cantrips

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but the point is, such spells exist that don't require speaking, and presumably not even reading necessarily, that are still quite useful and powerful in their own right

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honestly in the case of wizards, it often comes down to the design of the wizard that created the spell, depending on what the experiments they would have done would show about how much they could alter the process of the spell and still get the desired result reliably

crude kernel
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i’d assume that most gods from earlier editions exist in 5e right

jagged apex
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unless explicitly stated otherwise, they have their own histories with various setting and editions

crude kernel
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like for example asgoroth/io

jagged apex
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nope

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he is one of the few that has long since been dead and unlikely to be restored

crude kernel
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ok

spice meteor
jagged apex
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but most of the ones that were killed off just because of 4e, were restored

spice meteor
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And second, no, different edition, different canon.

crude kernel
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ok

jagged apex
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and eberron itself is a bit of a special case in it of itself, having a self contained cosmology

crude kernel
jagged apex
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most other published settings, unless noted otherwise, typically share the same cosmology of the wider dnd multiverse

crude kernel
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ok

sharp owl
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So for example, unless otherwise contradicted, a fact such as "This god has this domain on this world" is true across editions unless explicitly contradicted

jagged apex
sharp owl
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Whereas canonicity of events, especially granular ones on the scale of adventures, are contained to individual books

jagged apex
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yeah lore from past editions still applies as long as is not contradicted by newer sources, least last i checked

sharp owl
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No, each edition is its own canon in terms of events, but facts span editions

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Well, specific events

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I guess what I'm trying to say is things can be considered accurate unless contradicted, but that doesn't mean they're canon

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Canon has a specific meaning, ie "The official and correct order of events as decided by Wizards of the Coast"

jagged apex
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yeah, even in 5e alone we technically have multiple continuities, for various forms of media and even specific games

sharp owl
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We have multiple continuties for each adventure

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There is no canon connecting them

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For example, the events of Storm Kings Thunder don't affect or define Eve of Ruin

light cradle
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Hey does evolution exist

jagged apex
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yes

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there is explicitly a theory even about dragons and how they evolved and there are other cases of clear evolution from one point in time to the next with some creatures

light cradle
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Sweet

jagged apex
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dnd may be very creationist, but evolution still occurs, is a part of nature, just with the nature of the dnd multiverse, often these cases can be a bit fantastical or wacky than anything we might see here on earth

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the most notable example of it being in dnd, more specifically the forgotten realms, or at least theorized to be, how true the connections in the theory are is a bit unknown, even in universe

compact portal
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Does anyone know where to start on learning bout the general lore for Eberron... again? I've been playing off/on for pretty much my whole life now, but dangit my bad memory is kicking my butt and im tryna remember all the lore. Which i know is a lot... but i love talking about lore

jagged apex
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if playing 5e, the eberron sourcebook, "Eberron: Rising from the Last War" is probably the best place to start

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else there is lore youtubers who have covered some of eberron's lore out there and either some info you can get from keith baker himself, though there are differences between his continuity and the one published by wizards of the coast, so what is true for one may not always be true for the other

compact portal
high socket
jagged apex
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to my knowledge there is a pretty big gap between the two chronologically, so hope you are not a stranger to time skips, also far as i know unless i am mistaken, the only adventure that storm kings thunder naturally has an impact on, or rather the other way around, is the tryanny of dragons storyline

reef cape
vestal creek
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so paladins get there power from an oath, where does that power comes from? like it just can't come from no where, explain this to me

unkempt merlin
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their oath might be better framed as their conviction. And using that term a paladins conviction can be compared to a cleric's belief. Its so strong that it allows them to tap into a wellspring of divine power.

In some settings, that power is either granted by or facilitated by a god/entity. In others the paladin is tapping into it more directly. In others still its effectively "self generated" power.

jagged apex
balmy garden
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i was reading stuff, and apparently they retconned it to be in elysium

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the house of nature

sharp owl
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I'm not seeing any mention of that

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It occupies a similar place in the World Tree cosmology that elysium occupies in the great wheel, but I can't see anything supporting a retcon

balmy garden
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So It was never referenced in any books in 5e i see

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cuz i was ||planning to write a planescape dc referencing it||

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looks like dead end from here

jagged apex
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so the two are similar but far as i can tell are canonically separate planes of existence

jagged apex
# balmy garden So It was never referenced in any books in 5e i see

well most gods have their own realms in 5e, either on specific planes or in the outlands, is there a particular deity associated with the house of nature you were planning this idea to involve, as depending on the deity the realm they reside in the great wheel cosmology are likely gunna be different from one another

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like we know in 5e the labyrinth of life now resides as a divine realm in the outlands, so presumably other locations in the house of nature, if they still exist could have similar fates as far as where they would be located in the 5e cosmology and continuity

sharp owl
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It's rumoured one of the gate towns in the Outlands has a secret door that leads to the World Tree, so it may be possible to reach the House of Natural from the Outlands

jagged apex
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not sure where that rumor comes from in the lore, but seems like the lore may have already done it for you Ronnie

sharp owl
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It comes directly from Sigil and the Outlands

jagged apex
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ah

sharp owl
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There are sources other than the FR wiki 😉

jagged apex
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i was not aware of it, i must have not noticed or over looked it when i have read it, good to know

sharp owl
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A frost giant jarl learns of the entrance to the World Tree within Serpent’s Rise. Rather than attack Glorium, he sets out to find the root and use it to conquer untold worlds.

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So it's not even a rumour, it's a confirmed fact

jagged apex
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interesting, though the world tree i could potentially also see it as referring to yggdrasil, is something that can make the title of the world tree a bit confusing at times since it could potentially be referring to either the cosmology or yggdrasil

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but still, neat to know

sharp owl
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The World Tree cosmology is the model that places Yggdrasil the World Tree at the center of the cosmological model

jagged apex
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ah

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i thought they were two seperate yet similar concepts, thx for the correction

sharp owl
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No, the planes don't have literal spatial relationships. There are just different ways of describing them in relationship to each other

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The Great Wheel focuses on the Material Plane and the Outlands as twin "axels" of their model

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Whereas the World Tree places Yggdrasil at the center

jagged apex
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ah, again, did not realize that the two had anything to do with one another, and i appreciate you shedding some light on that so i did not keep going off such a misconception of my own making

light cradle
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I was reading the merfolk think and it said that they lack the tools to shape stone then it says they carve structures form the rocky sea bed. which is it!

jagged apex
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remember, magic is a thing, plus you can carve more than stone, not to mention stone is not the same as rocky, let alone rocky sea bed

unkempt merlin
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Shaping stone =/= mining

jagged apex
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plus one line is reffering to the typical hunter gatherer tribe life style many live, and the other is regarding merfolk settlements

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so arguably two different sort of kinds of merfolk technically

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plus even that is just one example as such settlements can also be in quote "vast undersea caverns, mazes of coral, the ruins of sunken cities" end quote

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and given the way they are listed, seems to potentially imply these are more often the case rather than them carving structures from the rocky sea bed, or at least is most likely to be one of these other examples

light cradle
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Thanks for the input!

jagged apex
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plus though the current monster manual kind of lends itself towards forgotten realms lore, it is not necessarily strictly forgotten realms only with it's lore sometimes, at least far as i am aware

vestal creek
jagged apex
# vestal creek so it does come from deities

no, in older editions, maybe, but in 5e, no, the gods technically are tapping into the same power source for their magic, at least as i understand it, does not mean it comes from the gods themselves both lore wise and mechanically, in the 5e continuity paladins as a norm do NOT need to have any connection or relationship, including worship, with a deity any cases where they do, is setting specific at best

cold widget
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What you think, could ancestor serving be possible? I'm creating a homebrew drow clan where ancestors are subject of worship

jagged apex
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more so a thing for #dm-world-building but eberron elves more or less have something similar to that, so why not, especially since it is YOUR GAME

unkempt merlin
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Eberron drow are not the ones who do that

jagged apex
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i said elves, as in general, i am not familiar with their drow specifically, i know what i said

unkempt merlin
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I'm letting them know

cold widget
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Nah, i'm not creating for the camping, i just create this out of fun

jagged apex
jagged apex
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what you do with homebrew does not have to be related to lore, like at all, let alone published materials

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but given the fact that elves in one setting are known to more or less do that, making it a prexisting concept, i'd say is pretty possible, even more so if is just your own homebrew

naive tartan
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Is there a tavern or inn in the Forgotten Realms that exists in a non-material plane that people can only get to with a special item or knowing about it? I remember reading something about that forever ago but can't find it with searching.

unreal tiger
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what is the difference between a warlock and a paladin?

feral lintel
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A lot

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Paladin

Whether sworn before a god's altar and the witness of a priest, in a sacred glade before nature spirits and fey beings, or in a moment of desperation and grief with the dead as the only witness, a paladin's oath is a powerful bond.
Warlock
Warlocks are seekers of the knowledge that lies hidden in the fabric of the multiverse. Through pacts made with mysterious beings of supernatural power, warlocks unlock magical effects both subtle and spectacular.

jagged apex
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basically one uses divine magic via the conviction of their will and belife in what they have sworn their life toward, the other makes deals with powerful entities for relatively easy access to arcane magic

unreal tiger
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so like a person who is pursuing revenge would be bound to the same standard for everyone as a pally, but as a warlock has can pick and choose how to handle situations?

feral lintel
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Sorry, what?

unreal tiger
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I do not know how else to explain what I'm trying to say.

jagged apex
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you don't have to swear an oath of vengeance and become a paladin to swear vengeance on someone or have it be a driving force in your life

unreal tiger
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yes I know that

jagged apex
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paladins have certain tenants that are like loose guidelines to following your oath

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is not like you have to act in a rigid and predfined fashion, there is some degree for freedom and you can defy it, but you could wind up losing your powers and becoming an oathbreaker

unreal tiger
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I understand that paladins use divine magic and have oaths to follow, whereas warlocks make deals and use arcane magic, but I'm wondering how they differ in regards to how they handle patrons and such

jagged apex
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paladins, just like any other class, character, god, ect... are allowed to be fallible and make mistakes in dnd

feral lintel
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Paladins dont have patrons

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They dont even need to worship a god

jagged apex
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plus the relationship between warlock and patron is not always a plesant one

feral lintel
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Their powers come from an Oath

jagged apex
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they main line the divine magic they harness via their believe and conviction in their oath, same source as the gods do, just much more limited cuz a mortal is massively weaker than a god

unreal tiger
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what kind of things would a warlock trade for power

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the easy answer is a soul

feral lintel
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Up to character

unreal tiger
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but beyond that

jagged apex
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depends on the terms set by the character and their patron

feral lintel
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Not all patrons would want a soul

jagged apex
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to say it can vary a lot is potentially underselling it

unreal tiger
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yes i mean like besides selling a soul. I'm new enough to DND that i don't know what a patron would want

feral lintel
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Ask your DM

jagged apex
feral lintel
unreal tiger
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alright!

jagged apex
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not every single minute detail is defined in dnd, be it lore, mechanics, some things are just at their core subjective or open to interpretation

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or even are just more so suggestions or default ideas

jagged apex
dense palm
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im making a lizardfolk character related to the city of surkh and i wonder is king grizz-tok still alive? or has he passed couldn't find the info on my own so if anyone knows i'd appreciate it

jagged apex
jagged apex
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assuming you ment griss'tok, he has not been used in published materials since 3e it would seem

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lizardfolk have an average lifespan in the forgotten realms up to 80 years, and over a hundred years have passed since, so the odds of him being alive still are very low but not impossible since we have no real mention of him dying it seems

hazy fox
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So since new PHB might be using Greyhawk, is there any 5e updates (both current and preview) on that setting?

unkempt merlin
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(It's going to be in the dmg as an example for "how to build a setting", not the phb)

As for lore. The only real amount of 5e info we've gotten is saltmarsh

crude blaze
jagged apex
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and even then, it may require some comparing and contrasting

covert island
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Just as a Reminder that the 2024 PHB will be setting agnostic and that Greyhawk is a Example setting in the DMG to help show DM's how to develop a setting ;)

crude blaze
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Yeah, I don't think they ever said the 2024 books were going to have Greyhawk as the setting, it's just an example of setting development

jagged apex
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yeah, seems like some might have just misinterpreted what they said regarding it

drowsy wraith
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is there an official date they are setting the new greyhawk map in?

jagged apex
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not to my knowledge, nor is the nessissarily any real need for it

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plus i imagine greyhawk has thier own array of calander systems

finite pendant
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Hi. I was reading about Ravens Bluff in Vast. Why was it called The Living City? Isn't it just metropolis?

modest badger
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DARLENE's map, in the AD&D The world of Greyhawk Folio/Boxset (1e) Set in 576 CY IG

latest.png
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Map From the Ashes Boxed Set' (2e), likely by Darlene again, showing post war greyhawk set in 585 CY IG.

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surreal charm
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Is there D&D lore describing how weapons and armor become magically enchanted? What is the process?