cpus-mobo-and-memory

[wind karma]

If you're at 1440p I doubt the 11400 will bottleneck the 6600xt

I'd probably wait to upgrade the CPU until you get ahold of the gpu and can test

[misty belfry]

yeah, that is the plan actually

however, gaming isn't everything

i'd like a CPU that is decently prepared for the fu ture

future*

maybe i7-11700KF could be better in that specific context

and no, i cannot afford to replace with a whole new PC

DDR5's skyrocketing prices make it impossible

[wind karma]

I think you'd be better off sticking with the 11400 and then eventually moving to a new cpu platform

"future proofing" typically isn't worth it

[misty belfry]

that means moving to LGA 1700 probably though, because i am not giving up my DDR4 unless DDR5 gets lower in price

i'm seeing 32GB kits for $300-400

[wind karma]

It will drop eventually

[misty belfry]

eventually, sometime, in time

[wind karma]

Also decent 32gb kits can be had for under $200

[misty belfry]

if you're gonna accept a slow speed, maybe

[wind karma]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ThdG3C/patriot-viper-venom-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-7200-cl34-memory-pvv532g720c34k

Honestly that's more than decent

[misty belfry]

lots of poorly rated stuff is cheap

that one is good yeah

[wind karma]

Anyways, I really reccomend you stick with the 11400 for now, unless there is a specific reason you need more cpu power now

[misty belfry]

that's fair enough. though i think i might grab an NH-U12 cooler because it'll be good not just now, but in the future

current cooler is great for the 11400 but i almost feel like i'd be able to edge more performance from teh CPU by keeping it cooler

[wind karma]

Were you not the person just bragging about their cooler lmao

Also don't get noctua, grab a thermalright instead

[wind karma]

This mightve been someone else

Ok yeah it was you

buys shit cooler after being told not to

Cooler isn't good enough so wants to drop cash on a nocuta

[plush dawn]

Aourus B650E aorus elite AX ice
or

Asrock Pro rs wifi

[jaunty island]

GPU

i fixed it a bit

i forgot to remove the plastic wrap

that was on the ssd cover

Im only running 4 case fans

and then 3 on my radiator

3 for input

1 for output

[crisp karma]

just noticed that the top right corner is bent

[misty belfry]

you mistook me being happy with it as bragging

but after talking to a friend for a bit, it was proven to me this cooler is just a stopgap

it's okay, but spins up very high and doesn't keep the CPU particularly cool

not having enough case fans is also probably an issue

need to install more exhaust on top, then install intake on front and bottom

top/back = exhaust, front/bottom intake

[misty belfry]

also, you don't need to be a dong about it. i liked the cooler because it didn't require me to install a huge mounting bracket, i worry about dropping a screw and bending my CPU pins

i actually lost a motherboarrd to trying to install this ID-cooling nonsense

which is likely better than the current cooler

[wind karma]

Just put the cpu in before installing the brackets??? Or keep the socket cover on???

[misty belfry]

oh the bracket needed to be changed

i was using a backplate/bracket combo

so it did actually matter

if the CPU is flat, and the bracket comes off it likely won't remove the CPU

but keeping it flat in my specific place/circumstances is diffficult. it can be mostly flat but not proper flaT.

[crisp karma]

This is bent right or am I trippin? Top Right on the last pic.

[misty belfry]

\whole board bent?

[crisp karma]

The top right corner

[wind karma]

Yeah that corner looks bent

[misty belfry]

it's a little bent

but if it works, don't mind

[crisp karma]

Will it cause issues down the road?

Its working fine rn

[misty belfry]

i dunno about that, but i don't think it's likely to bend more

[wind karma]

If it came like that I'd definitely RMA

[misty belfry]

you've got that board in there nice and rigid

if you can do without the board, RMA yes

not everyone can do without

i usually assume people need their main PCs working

i've seen bent boards like that before (even some of my own) and the PCB itself can be just a little bit flexible sometimes

"lilkely is a non-issue, but RMA if worried"

if you have doubts about anything, RMA

also @wind karma the reason I thought that cooler was good enough is because in in my main PC building days, TDP could be pretty much counted on

it appears t hat now with all CPUs aggressively boosting, it's not

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/i-bought-a-new-motherboard-and-its-a-bit-bent-do-you-think-i-should-return-it.3795643/ @crisp karma take this with a grain of salt, but it seems like a lot of people agree this isn't an issue

and yeah tbh this cooler should be advertised for 95W at max, my cooler is absolutely screaming whenever i do something like gaming

my terrible HP cooler was also bad

[wind karma]

Yeah that cooler is probably just lying about its TDP rating. I, and likely others, warned you to not get it

[misty belfry]

doesn't matter, it's just $20

[crisp karma]

So should I just accept the comp they are offering?

[misty belfry]

are they offering a compensation?

compensation good

[crisp karma]

They are

[wind karma]

"just $20" that could have been saved for a better gpu

[misty belfry]

@wind karma my position stands, it's your choice to waste your time or not

[wind karma]

Kenzie 2.0 💀

[misty belfry]

"hur hur hur told you so" does not look good or make anyone take you seriously

unless you don't care if people take you seriously

[wind karma]

People do take me seriously. Those people buy Thermalright.

[misty belfry]

i'm saying that this is not productive or meaningful

[crisp karma]

$25 comp lmfao, I rather not go through the hassle of a return but idk

[misty belfry]

yeah, $25 is bogus. i feel like the offer of $25 means they are in the wrong, and knew this was an issue

[wind karma]

I mean if you aren't happy with it, RMA

Compensation is completely optional, $25 ain't bad, probably like a 20% discount?

[crisp karma]

I just accepted it tbh. I dont feel like going through the hassle of a RMA rn

im sick af

[violet helm]

is there a list for good ddr5 ram? or maybe some suggestions for some good 32 gig kits around 180 usd?

[wind karma]

aim for 6000cl30 or cl32

[violet helm]

but like

any specific ram

?

[wind karma]

Whatever's cheapest and not bad timings

I think this is probably your best bet right now

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Yyqrxr/patriot-viper-venom-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-pvv532g640c32k

[violet helm]

ok thank you

i appreciate it

[wind karma]

If you're planning to overclock some dies are known to be better but I don't know much about the different ones

[violet helm]

im ok not overclocking

i just need stability

😄

[abstract laurel]

Is a 32gb CL36 DDR5 kit for $155 with current pricing in mind a “good deal”? I already got the ram but I’ve been hearing that anything above cl32 is bad

6000mt

[wind karma]

6000cl36 is less than ideal. You might be able to tighten the timings to cl34 or cl32 if it's a good kit but I don't know much about ram oc

[cursive epoch]

ram prices are skyrocketing

so get your hands on some soon

this isn't fear mongering either, ai datacenter demand has been gobbling up so much of the dram supply

[sudden creek]

Horrible for a DDR5 kit. Like sure it works but that's almost as bad as Jedec.

For comparison you can still get 6400cl32 Hynix A kits for $160-164.

Those can be tightened to 6000cl26 very easily.

[misty belfry]

personally since i'm staying on my DDR4 system, the pricing is better

if you're on DDR4 now and don't mind the system's performance, you prob can hold off

the AI datacenter shit is a bubble, and it will break

[plush dawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqnjiEOHx78&t=934s

[misty belfry]

these are some neat chips

[misty belfry]

i dunno, i think the core ultras are all really neat in their design and characteristics

i also think AMD's X3D series and XT series are really cool too

different approaches to design

[sudden creek]

My GPU bottleneck in Ark Ascended is crazy lmao.

[wind karma]

9950x3D / 3070

[sudden creek]

Yup lmao. And a tuned 9950x3D running in V-Cache mode with tightly tuned ram as well.

[junior saffron]

anyone know if there is a deal on new egg or something for a new motherboard and processor (preferably a white motherboard)? I got a rtx 3060 ti for my gpu

[sudden creek]

Yes, what is your budget? There is a ASRock B650M HDV White for $95 it is a excellent board. For processors I posted a 9600x that comes with a dual tower cooler for $200.

[junior saffron]

i found a pair. lmk what you think

[sudden creek]

Sure, are you sending links or text?

[junior saffron]

i dm'd you

[sudden creek]

Overpriced for a dead platform.

Do you have DDR5 per chance?

[junior saffron]

the ram i have now I think is ddr4

[sudden creek]

Hmm, what is your ideal and max budget?

[junior saffron]

how can i show you my full pc specs that matter?

then you can upgrade it for me? I wanna upgrade the cpu and mobo

[sudden creek]

Sure.

Send this:
CPU
BOARD
RAM
GPU
SSD
COOLER
PSU
CASE (SIZE RESTRICTIONS)

[junior saffron]

is there something i can use on newegg to select the parts i have?

[sudden creek]

Use this: https://pcpartpicker.com

[junior saffron]

cant remember some of the parts

i know the main ones i think though

[junior saffron]

i def cant remember the case. all i know is its nzxt and its white

[sudden creek]

Can you send a picture?

[junior saffron]

got it

NZXT H510

[sudden creek]

Gotcha, please fill the part list to the best of your ability, give me a budget then I will see what I can do.

[junior saffron]

ok i got it filled out, now what?

[junior saffron]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KZWwNz everything is what i got now, only thing im not super sure about is the cpu cooler. i know its a fan and is cooler master though

[junior saffron]

prolly like 400 between the 2

[wind karma]

Never realized matx mobos could vary this much in size

[sudden creek]

I am almost certain the one on the left is that weird Extended M-ATX form factor.

E-MATX or something like that. It's like the middle between an ATX and MATX usually stretches to the right side only.

[sudden creek]

Plenty of budget.

[junior saffron]

alright. if you see anything else i might need just sned me the new list

ive been thinking about geting a new ssd soon. I want a like 4 tb one lmao

[sudden creek]

I can upgrade you to the AM5 platform with that budget. It's still supported and will be for a few more generations plus it's about 3x faster then your current setup.

[sudden creek]

A SN850X (best gen 4 ssd) retails for about $300 for 4TB so they have been fairly reasonably in recent times.

The SN7100 4TB was selling for $250

[junior saffron]

alright. im down for anything, get me a new setup and send me it

[wind karma]

Green is 9.6H by 8.0W
White is 8.4H by 7.0W

[junior saffron]

any of those parts I sent you good? i know the gpu is good

is the psu good?

[sudden creek]

Do you need wifi? @junior saffron

[sudden creek]

PSU is fine, I have the exact same model.

Can take a beating, gets the job done. Nothing special or bad.

[junior saffron]

not really, but would be cool if I did.

[sudden creek]

Noted, you can always add a wifi add-in card later.

[junior saffron]

i have a wifi usb lmao

from when i went someone to take a class for my job. i bought my whole pc and played in the hotel LMAO since i was there for like a month

[sudden creek]

How much ram do you need? @junior saffron RAM prices lately have been outrageous.

[junior saffron]

I got 16 atm. and iseen they were giving out free ram aparently, the mobo and cpu i shared with you earlier was offering me a free 16 ram lmao

[sudden creek]

Ehh 16 it's same cost to build custom or cheaper

[junior saffron]

make whatever you can thats like 300-400$ if you change parts and think its better than thats fine.

[sudden creek]

Here you go, $406 this gets you a:

• R5-9600X
• One of the best AM5 motherboards for ram overclocking
• Some okay 2x8gb RAM (I highly recommend saving up in the future for a 2x16 kit on the DDR5 platform as those perform better)
• The CPU comes with a great dual tower air cooler
  https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wGNZt3

The ram is also white, @junior saffron

[junior saffron]

i wonder if itll give me any ram for free. lemme add it to a cart and see lol

[junior saffron]

one 2x16gb ramstick is 330$... I might as well buy two 2x8gb ramsticks for 200.. still equals 32gb of ram and its 130$ cheaper?

[sudden creek]

2x16 is $156-180 what in g0d's name are you looking at that's $330???

[junior saffron]

it says its 331 lol

[sudden creek]

What country are you in?

[junior saffron]

NA

[sudden creek]

The ram I listed is just a little over $90.

[sudden creek]

USA?

[junior saffron]

yea

for me 2 x 16GB ram sticks are 331

the T-Force Delta ones you sent me

i dont see any 2 x 16gb ram sticks that are below 200. or atleast on my screen

[sudden creek]

The heck?

I will take another look later

[junior saffron]

CORSAIR Vengeance RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000 (PC5 48000) Desktop Memory Model CMH32GX5M2E6000C36W

they are 409... lmao

Team Group T-CREATE EXPERT 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000 (PC5 48000) Desktop Memory Model CTCWD532G6000HC30DC01

I really like them ^^^ they got a clean slick look and they are 280$ lol

[wind karma]

Is this USD?

Even with inflated prices, 32gb should be ~$180 USD

[misty belfry]

https://www.newegg.com/patriot-memory-viper-elite-5-32gb-2-x-16gb-ddr5-7000-pc5-56000-cas-latency-cl38-desktop-memory-white/p/N82E16820225388?Item=N82E16820225388 i mean these are $40 more and DDR5 7000

[sudden creek]

Please confirm if you are giving us costs in USD.

[junior saffron]

USD

[sudden creek]

What the heck

The prices are not nearly as high for us.

[sudden creek]

How much is this for you?
https://www.amazon.com/KLEVV-2x16GB-7200MHz-Desktop-KD5AGUA80-72B360S/dp/B0C6LMGL6B/ref=sr_1_2?

Better yet, how much is this @junior saffron
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BSN4FPQC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A19Z7ROVAN5M7A&th=1 this should be $95

[junior saffron]

214$

[junior saffron]

96$

[junior saffron]

Is it because I’m trying to get some fancy ones with rgb? 😂

[junior saffron]

What are some fancy cables I can get that would work for my new parts I’m getting and my gpu? I wanna get some nice cables I can put into my psu to make my cables and wire management look really nice, I’ll just replace the default cables I got in my pc atm.

[sudden creek]

That would definitely do it.

[sudden creek]

Since your on a budget I recommend getting one of the $95 DIMMs and adding another of the same to your PC later. Use a fan to keep the RAM cool and in the future you can buy some really nice heatspreaders for them.

.
If you don't want to tune the RAM and want a white heatspreader these are $100 each.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/G79nTW/patriot-viper-elite-5-16-gb-1-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-veb516g6030w

[junior saffron]

Any ideas @sudden creek ?

[sudden creek]

1. Buy extension cables vs replacement cables for safety purposes.

2. If you do want full replacements go to a known maker like ModDIY who makes custom replacement cables.

3. I recommend asking someone who knows better than me on this subject in #cases-psu-and-cooling or #building-and-recc-chat

[vagrant jackal]

If I wish to build a PC that will be the host for a virtual network which motherboard would meet the minimum requirements? Which would be the best? SaintTyr (David)

[sudden creek]

@obtuse moss @midnight pollen @meager elbow this seems like something you guys would be able to answer best.

[meager elbow]

Would need more specifics on what it's being used for and reliability/uptime requirements

A server board would be the best bet though

[midnight pollen]

Are we talking like vlans on a network?

[plush dawn]

what did a "high end" motherbored looked like 6 years ago

[hollow thorn]

X299 dark

[vagrant jackal]

Thank you for responding. The uptime would be constant. The challenge is this network is for family home and including parents home. Again appreciate the response.

[meager elbow]

is it a virtual network as in like hosting webapps or such?
or is it going to act as a router?

[vagrant jackal]

My plan was to have it as a virtual server.

[meager elbow]

I would suggest something maybe like an asrock rack board (am5), as it comes with an ipmi for remote management, and it is made for 24/7 server use
(There are also super micro boards but those tend to be a fair bit more expensive compared to asrock rack)

Alternatively, you can use a good quality consumer board, and get an IP kvm for remote management, but that would end up around the same cost (maybe $100-200 cheaper depending on the board and features) but it won't have features like ECC or the option for better built in networking (there is an option with dual 25gigabit (SFP28) with the asrock rack line)

[vagrant jackal]

Thank you for this information. I will checkout the recommended board and see if can be a good fit within my budget.

[random ledge]

Is is the MSI MAG B650 a good mobo choice for the ryzen 7 78003dx and rtx 5070? Im upgrading to a build thats strong for gaming at 1440p.

[vague apex]

Tomahawk? It's good sure. If there is something similarly priced in your region with pcie gen 5 like a b650e or b850 I'd consider that too. Comparable feature sets would be something like an aorus elite or tuf plus if you care about the upgrades on a tomahawk over a cheaper model.

[plush dawn]

B650E Aorus elite Ice or
B850 Aorus elite Ice

30 dollar increase

B850 has X3D turbo (eh)

well

can someone just tell me all the diffrences between them

[vague apex]

B850 is whiter, upgraded audio, wifi 7. Turbo mode doesn't do anything like what they claim.

[plush dawn]

I’ve watched the X3D turnbo video from hardware unboxed

White doesn’t matter that much to me

Audio I’m pretty deaf with audio ngl

I’m also using Ethernet

Alr I got it all thanks

[plush dawn]

It’s basically useless

[vague apex]

If you're buying it in the US and you're getting a cpu too there might be some good combo deals.

[plush dawn]

Taiwan

Alr have my cpu btw

And ram

[vague apex]

Aorus elites are pretty good. Similar featureset for msi would be a tomahawk, asus would be the tuf or tuf plus. If you're getting an x3d, especially a 9000 series, I'd avoid asrock.

[misty belfry]

assrock is pretty cheap but you can later potentially pay for that cheapness

i used to buy biostar because it was really good for me, thouhg

[wind karma]

[misty belfry]

that's true, but if i'm gonna spend a lot on a nice board i'm gonna get ASUS or possibly gigabyte.

current is an LGA1200 ASUS business board, it's very well put together even though it's not a high end gaming thing

[cursive epoch]

asus is known to bundle bloat by default

so yeah, there's that

[misty belfry]

i've never encountered that, but i also don't get the chance to buy a huge sample of motherboards

[sudden creek]

What Steve sent but also ASRock boards use higher quality PCBs then most board manufacturers for cheaper retail price.

A $500-600 board from Asus or Gigabyte would cost you about $300 from ASRock. This is a quality and features comparison.

[misty belfry]

that's interesting. next time i'm in the market for a motherboard i'll do a bit more research

i don't mind being wrong, i prefer that people set me right

sometimes we all have moments when we cling to things like that

i thought thermalright in particular was a low-budget, low-quality brand but doing enough research their stuff is quite solid, and the recommendations i've gotten here of course have been useful in tipping me to that direction

[sudden creek]

Always happy to teach and learn.

[misty belfry]

yeah

unfortunately, i did not have the opportunity for college/university so i've had to learn things on my own

at 42, i still meet people much younger than me that know things that it seems like i ought to know

my research has led me for instance to not really care about things like fan noise because i'm always using headphones

lots of people aren't okay with fan noise, so their recommendations to me often take that into account

i'd love to just get static pressure noctua CPU cooler but like, it's too expensive. so i'm getting that thermalright royal knight thing when my cooling needs expand

similarly, i'm throwing a couple of icegale xtra in the front of my case, even though the back fan is a lower speed arctic fan

the front fans should force much of the air out, though

i should use a 3-way Y cable and keep my front fans on the CPU fan header with the CPU fan itself :3

i realize that'll make them run harder, but that's sort of the point

[gentle acorn]

does anyone know if theres any AM5 motherboards that have support for using 2 x16 slots at full bandwidth and also having 3 M.2 slots that are usable at the same time? im coming up empty

also main slot is gen 5

Im basically looking to run a 5070 Ti together with a 7800xt or 3080 havent decided yet and then use lossless scaling for it but my current motherboard apparently has 4 full size slots but 3 of them are gen 3x1 slots so cant really do anything with that and also was wanting to still be able to have a lot of storage slots because i have 2 atm and would rather not just replace my current drives and add a new one

[vague apex]

There are no am5 boards that can do two gpus at full x16 bandwidth, the cpus only have 24 usable lanes plus the chipset connection. 16 for gpu (which can be split on some boards), 4 for an nvme, 4 for the motherboard maker's discretion. There are a handful of boards that can do two gpus at x8 each. Lots that will have a x4 wired secondary slot in a x 16 sized slot.

[gentle acorn]

Oh alright

Would it still work well without latency on x8?

I just know using it on an x1 slot did not work well because my current one has one x16 then 3 3x1 slots

[vague apex]

I've never use lossless scaling. Presumably most of the people that do have the second gpu in a x4 slot through the chipset though.

[gentle acorn]

alright cool

i ended up finding one thatd keep the main slot at x16 and will either run the second at x4 or x8 speeds and will only disable if i use the 3rd nvme slot

[vague apex]

Which one? There shouldn't be any that can do 16 and 8.

[gentle acorn]

wait yeah it says x4 misread

was looking at a ROG STRIX B850-A GAMING WIFI its on sale for $200 from Amazon

basically been trying to decide too if i want to use a 2080 Super, 3080, or 7800xt all of which i already own i upgraded from the 2080 to a 7800xt and then also got another pc that had a 3080 for my dads house so im trying to decide which gpu i want to throw in my current pc and if i want to instead of the 3080 use the 7800xt in the other pc

[sudden creek]

Latency is not the issue but bandwidth. Most GPUs will be fine on 4.0x8 albeit not ideal for higher end models.

Check the bandwidth requirements for your cards then find a board with at least that amount in each slot.

[gentle acorn]

Alright I might just stick to using my 2080 super then probably

[misty belfry]

question: on an i5-11400 i don't get access to the full 3600 MT/s my RAM is capable of, with it being limited to 3200 MT/s - if i get an 11th gen K-series does this open up a full 3600? my board/BIOS have options for 3600 but I am not sure if the problem is my CPU or something else

[sudden creek]

CPU limitation. For non K series CPUs Intel sets a lower voltage for the memory controller which means it can't run memory clocks as high.

[misty belfry]

interesting

i'll have to think about that

my old PC was an HP shitbox and would not support above 2133

moving from 2133 to 3200 with absolutely nothing about the specs changing

actually made some games playable that weren't playable before

so i feel like 3200-3600 will cause a slight bump in performance

[vague apex]

Pretty minor yeah. The faster cpu would be the real difference but an in generation upgrade like that isn't going to be anything spectacular, maybe not even really noticeable. If you can do over 3200 also depends on motherboard; z490, z590, b560 can because they support memory oc.

[misty belfry]

my motherboard is a Qsomething but it has options for higher clocks in the BIOS so i assume the motherboard is capable

it also lets you crank voltage up, but my RAM's spec is specifically 1.35v

for the advertised speed

[vague apex]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/196439/intel-q570-chipset/specifications.html Q570? Says it doesn't support memory oc.

[misty belfry]

gah. the BIOS has to be wrong

@vague apex https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/212321/intel-core-i911900kf-processor-16m-cache-up-to-5-30-ghz/specifications.html still eventually gonna grab one of these, they're $200 or something used. unless i can get a cheap LGA1700 board that'll take DDR4

[wintry girder]

is the 9700x worth getting?

Its $295 rn

But everyone says its meh and not worth it

like the 7800x3d is $75 more

I could always just use pbo to boost it

[hollow thorn]

You can't really get the x3d performance with just higher clocks

[wintry girder]

but is it worth getting at $295?

like I dont want to spend more if I can avoid it

[hollow thorn]

wouldn't really say it's worth spending more for anything better than 7600x until you get to x3d without any specific purpose tbh

[wintry girder]

bc rn to balance price it would be either a 9700x + 9070xt for 893.72 or a 7900xt + 7800x3d for 904.53

[sudden creek]

What resolution do you play?

And what kind of games as that determines if you'd benefit from the extra V-Cache.

[sudden creek]

Don't count on getting good boost clocks with cutdown CPUs.

[wintry girder]

1440p

and alot of singleplayer aaa games so high vram usage

although ive never reached more than 11gb usage so far with my 6800

[sudden creek]

large open world kind of games?

I think the 7800x3D + 7900xt will be the better call. You get a decent bump to graphical performance and massive increase to CPU performance in terms of 0.1 and 1% lows with a decent uplift in overall cpu performance.

@wintry girder what board were you looking at? I may be able to recommend a cheaper board that performs just as well to make room for the 9070xt.

Do you need wifi?

[wintry girder]

asrock b850m pro

the boards pretty cheap itself

$140

oh wait it changed

ig the other ones out of stock

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3f8Pxr/gigabyte-b850-gaming-wifi6-atx-am5-motherboard-b850-gaming-wifi6

[sudden creek]

We can get you one that performs the same and save you $30.

@wintry girder is white fine?

[wintry girder]

sure

might look cool with some contrast

[sudden creek]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qcbRsY/asrock-b650m-pro-rs-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-pro-rs-wifi

Or

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9HTZxr/gigabyte-b650m-gaming-plus-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-gaming-plus-wf

Both are fine boards. The ASRock board has 3 M.2 slots

Will perform like the ones your looking at and be cheaper

This should open your budget for a 9070xt + 7800x3D.

[wintry girder]

so theres no preformance difference between the 650 and 850?

[sudden creek]

I am going for lunch then work now

[sudden creek]

None

Only difference is USB 4.0

[wintry girder]

alright

thanks

wait

the 7800x3d is am4

its not gonna work with that motherboard

[vague apex]

b850 has pcie gen 5. Well a couple of them don't because it's not mandatory but nearly all of them do. That's the main difference.

[vague apex]

That's x870 and x870e.

[wintry girder]

its saying theres no compatibility issues tho

[vague apex]

You should always just look at the actual features of a board though instead of the chipset. The chipset will have some minimum guaranteed features and some max possible features but there is a lot of variance in between.

[wintry girder]

so i guess i misremembered

[vague apex]

They are all am5. And the 7800x3d is am5.

[wintry girder]

but i thought am4 doesnt work with an am5 socket

[vague apex]

am4 was up through 5000 series.

[wintry girder]

oh im dumb

i mixed up am with zen

[vague apex]

Yeah zen1 1000, zen+ 2000, zen 2 3000, zen 3 5000, zen 4 7000, zen 5 9000.

[sudden creek]

AM5 socket.

[sudden creek]

Fair enough. Though he is not buying a 5090 so PCIE 5.0 won't make a difference and even then it's a minor latency difference if memory serves me right.

Oh here is board similar specs and even cheaper.
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b650-gaming-x-ax-v2-atx-motherboards-amd-am5/p/2MG-000K-002K4?item=9SIADFRKDK3405

[vague apex]

It's actually a lot more likely to come up on lower end cards that have only a x8 connection and where you're more likely to run into a vram limit and need to be calling on the system ram to make up for it.

[sudden creek]

I have not looked into this. If you have a source handy I'd appreciate it so I can research this later.

[vague apex]

There are a few good hardware unboxed videos on it.

Like testing 5060ti 8gb vs 16gb on different pcie gens or comparing those against 9060xt which are basically same performance but have a x16.

[wintry girder]

the 9070xt is a x16 tho

so I shouldnt have an issue right?

[vague apex]

It won't make much difference unless you're playing a game that's trying to use more than 16gb vram. Which is a pretty short list currently even at 4k. If you were then you'd see some extra performance degradation but playing games at settings where you're running into a vram limit is going to be pretty bad and likely stuttery anyway.

[sudden creek]

You won't see an issue. Your running QHD and as mentioned usually see about 12GB Vram usage.

[obtuse moss]

https://x.com/Newegg/status/1996294111385829379

o look, cool video from Newegg about OLED RAM

check price

cries

[misty belfry]

newegg is so sensitive. so very sensitive.

imo just use bsky, it's microscopically better (though it's not lost on me why a big business like newegg has to use twitter)

[obtuse moss]

how is this video sensitive content?

[ripe tartan]

Oled is too pricey
Offends me

[misty belfry]

twitter using AI to determine sensitive topics lol

[obtuse moss]

yiiiiiikes

[misty belfry]

i have an LGA 1200 board - can someone explain to me why the 10900K is 10 cores/20 threads while the 11900K is like 8 cores/16 threads, but the 11900K is considered more desirable even for heavy CPU tasks

like what's the deal with this 10 core behemoth on this old socket

[wind karma]

Better architecture

[misty belfry]

i wasn't aware there was a huge change from 10th gen to 11th gen - but i'll trust you on your word there - the 11900K isn't really more expensive

[wind karma]

It's something like a 10-20% boost to IPC, plus more cache and higher all core boost clocks

[misty belfry]

also seems like the benchmarks follow what you've just said, so an 11900K is what i'm targeting - any new hardware is going to be destroyed price-wise by "inflation" (it's not really inflation unless you refer to every price increase as inflation)

[wind karma]

Probably overkill for gaming. 11700 might be better value

[misty belfry]

but it won't actually cost much less

except somehow the difference in price now is bigger

unlike some other day i researched it

[wind karma]

Right but if you're not going to use the extra cores of the 11900 why pay extra? Save for future upgrades instead

[misty belfry]

the 11900 doesn't have any more cores than the 11700, it just is binned better to turbo up faster

[wind karma]

Huh

[misty belfry]

i researched the two CPUs

[wind karma]

Intel is weird

[misty belfry]

intel is indeed weird

i'm a huge fan of their core ultra CPUs but who can afford DDR5 these days

[wind karma]

Core ultra gets cooked by zen5 for gaming pretty sure

And yeah ddr5 is getting insane

[misty belfry]

gaming is clearly all that's important

everyone is a gaming pleb

like, i was thinking about streaming in the future and i'm not sure i want to use nvenc for that, because it'll use precious GPU power which i could be using to do the actual gaming in said stream

if i was just talking about playing the games, my 11400 would be perfect

it does great at that

[wind karma]

Pretty sure modern implementations for gpu streaming don't take too much of a perf hit but I could be wrong

[misty belfry]

oh?

well, i'll need to research it

[wind karma]

Probably depends on stream quality settings etc

Hmm ok I'm seeing something saying 20% performance hit, oof

Guess dedicated hardware encoder isn't enough lol

Also seeing other people say 0-10% so idk

[misty belfry]

seems like it's under question and may have something to do with the games being streamed among other things

oh nice, 11700K can get down to $200 or less if you diligently search

there's also the 11600K but that's missing a couple cores, which likely has some effect on video encoding performance

[wind karma]

8 pcores is probably worth it over 6 these days

[misty belfry]

yeah, seems like it

it's down the road for me anyway

i spent $280 on a 5060 and it was at the behest of a close friend who assisted me in the purchase (i am pretty poor) and honestly i don't think i can afford a lot of upgrades at this point

next month i'll do some stuff with cooling, which i can afford easily

[wind karma]

Friends don't help friends buy the 5060 when the 6700xt is equal or faster and has 12gb vram /hj

[plush dawn]

ROG B850 A wifi or B850 Aorus elite ice can someone tell me the actual diffrence other then looks and bloat ware for asus
same price as well

[misty belfry]

i tend to buy gigabutt over asus but i have an asus board right now and it's fantastic, brand is kinda irrelevant. if no features are different, then i can only say choose it on aesthetics.

[ripe tartan]

[compact zenith]

@harsh pine This is one of the best channels to ask MB and CPU questions. Just NEVER discuss Gamemax.

[harsh pine]

Best I discuss the whole motherboard not detecting the other GPU problem here or is that more of a #graphics-cards problem?

[compact zenith]

Give me a sec.

Your good here, and #graphics-cards or #building-and-recc-chat can help too.

Thinking of building new gaming systems, but with this issue Im hearing about motherboards frying, Im wondering if its just better to go with AMD Ryzen.

Been using Intel for years.

[harsh pine]

Hello!! Super sorry if this is in the wrong channel but I just wanted to see if there's a way to fix this problem

Right now I have a Gigabyte Aorus Z690 Master with a MSI RTX 3060, but I also have a EVGA RTX 2060 connected to another PCIE below my current Graphics Card, I wanted to attempt to use Lossless Scaling but for some reason my computer hasn't been detecting my 2060 that I had connected, I've attempted by changing my PCIE generations, reseating my PCIE cables, Updating the Motherboard BIOS, switching the PCIE Primairy configuration, and yet my motherboard still isn't detecting my second card.. I decided to take my 2060 and put it in the slot where my 3060 was just to see that my computer detects it so that's a relief that my other card isn't fried. Is there any suggestions that anyone has to potentially fix the problem? Or do I need to find another motherboard that has the capabilities in being able to detect two graphics cards without SLI/NVLINK.

(Yes im aware this is probably the most weirdest combination especially when it's two different brands)

Thanks a bunch!!

[wind karma]

What motherboard and CPU?

[harsh pine]

Aorous Z690 Master with a i7 12700k

[wind karma]

Hmm

Seems like you should have plenty of pcie lanes

Looks like it doesn't have pcie bifurcation, so the main slot is x16 and the other two are x4

Pretty sure that's enough for LSFG

and the card should be showing up

@harsh pine are you using an nvme ssd?

[harsh pine]

Yeah im using a couple actually,

[wind karma]

I assume you're using the higher up NVMe slots though

[harsh pine]

Hmm, a switch huh, I swore i heard something about that before on reddit when i was searching my problem up.. I'll definitely check if thats the issue on my mobo. Thank you!!!

[wind karma]

I don't think it's a physical switch or anything. It just means you have that NVMe slot populated, the pcie x4 will be turned off

Ideally you want your main nvme in M2A_CPU and secondary in M2P_SB

[harsh pine]

Ahhh now that a lot of sense, when I was working on it I was just hoping to find a NVME slot and call it a day without even thinking- Yeahh that definitely bit me afterwards lol. Thank you so much again, I didnt even think about that

[harsh pine]

Update thank you so much!! I swapped out the NVME and now it registers!!!

[dire dirge]

AMD has been the META choice for gaming for like 3-5 years now.

[potent dew]

Okay this is driving me insane

I have a Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX rev 1.0, not sure what happened but my ethernet has just crapped out. I tried removing it from device manager because it showed up when I enabled hidden devices, but it just doesn't want to come back. My switch shows an amber light, so I have no idea what the problem is. It doesn't even show up in Realtek's ethernet repair tool.

I've updated my bios to F37 and that changed nothing

Luckily I have Wi-Fi, but holy shit

WiFi and Bluetooth both work fine, ethernet just doesn't exist anymore

The Gigabyte driver installer is not telling me that the device doesn't exist which is the weird part

Although GCC no longer shows it at all

Whoop-de-doo guess what's back

I drained the power and now it just magically appeared

Although I have no clue why it's running at 10 mbps

[potent dew]

I think it was in 10 because my switch is somewhat old and kind of stupid

I had to reset it to get it to renegotiate

It seems like Windows updates just break it every time

Should have just tried power cycling to begin with, but it's insane that each windows update does this

[compact zenith]

Have you by any chance checked your cr2032 watch battery? One would think today's motherboards would warn it's going dead, but they don't. A dead cr2032 results in certain settings getting lost. Time and date screw up after reboot is a big hint to simply replace the battery. If motherboards that are two years old or older should have them replaced as well. Depending on motherboard type, a button cell depletes faster on systems plugged into surge protectors, the type with switches that cut all power. When zero power is going to motherboard, the motherboard relys on the cr2032 more, to point they are dead.

[potent dew]

I haven't

I don't think I've had any time issues besides Windows disagreeing with Linux, which I fixed by installing something for GRUB I think

[cloud kestrel]

ROG STRIX X870E-E GAMING WIFI.,ned to due bios ubdate to this mobo whit my Ryzen 7 7800x3D.

[sudden creek]

Need likely no, but always strongly recommended.

[river dawn]

Felt I needed to share somewhere, I disassembled my old PC because I’m building a new one and was scrapping some pieces. The CPU is that beast was an Intel i7-2600, I knew it was running dinosaur hardware, but yeesh! Blast from the past!

[scenic solar]

does the asrock h470m-hdv support 11th gen? the website doesn't specify it and there's contrasting info online

[ripe tartan]

Don’t feel bad, my wife’s dad gave me a pc he no longer used a while back, said it couldn’t run many games anymore

It had a gtx 260, and a dual core intel cpu from 2007 that wouldn’t work lmao

[river dawn]

W Father-in-Law for donating the PC

[potent dew]

Do we know what socket Zen 6 is going to be on?

[wind karma]

I think the next couple Ryzen cpu gens will be am5

[potent dew]

Okay

[spice fog]

Am6 is 2027 i beleive

[vague apex]

I'd expect it to be next year and there is a decent chance that's the end of am5. Ddr6 should be 2-3 years away on desktop. So maybe a zen 7 on am5 while intel moves to ddr6, maybe a last minute add on like they did with 5800x3d for am4, maybe nothing, maybe intel doesn't early adopt either and it all goes to data centers at first.

[spice fog]

Ddr6 is gonna be 1000 for a 32 gig kit😭

[vague apex]

Ddr5 was pretty crazy the first few months but was pretty stable after a year when 13th gen and 7000 came out. I don't know how bad or long current ai garbage pricing is going to be or how that will compare against the 'chip shortage' pricing that was going on then.

[sudden creek]

AM5 according to AMD will be the platform till 2027 as Mecha mentioned.

So I think we can expect at least one, probably two more generations for AM5.

[vast slate]

My ram of course is choosing now to become super unstable and throwing errors everywhere

The timing

Freaking ~900$ for 64gb ddr5 6000

[vast slate]

Okay more like 800$~

[sudden creek]

If you want I may be able to help. What are you using?

• CPU:
• BOARD:
• RAM (speed,cl,voltage):

What issues are you having exactly and what have you tried using to think it's the RAM?

[vast slate]

@sudden creek

• CPU: Amd ryzen 7 7800x3d
• BOARD: asrock b650e taichi
• RAM (speed,cl,voltage): 2 ddr5 4800 32 gb @6000mhz 1.350 v 36-36-36-76

I have gotten several blue screens that relate to memory and I ran sfc, dism, chkdsk, and windows memory diagnostics. Sfc and dism both ran clean but mem test found several faults

[sudden creek]

1. Are they in the correct slots for a Single Dimm Per Channel config.

2. What vSOC voltage is your 7800x3D using with the ram set to 6000mhz.

3. Have you tried reseating the RAM and CPU? Uneven mounting pressure can cause massive ram stability issues.

[sudden creek]

@sullen comet I've used both a MSI X670-P Pro WiFi and MSI X670E Gaming WiFi (both refurbs). Currently I am using my X670E Gaming board. Though my recommendation will vary based on your needs/wants.

[placid lake]

Folks, my ROG Strix B450E is dying, my top slot is giving out, the 3090FE Falls off the bus when under load, but runs in the middle PCIE slots. I've two options at similar price tags.

B550M Aorus Elite v1.3 or Gigabyte B550 Eagle.

I'm leaning more to the Aorus Elite but, since it's microATX it might be a little funny with a 3090

Case isn't a problem, but, man, it will look comical in my MeshifyC

The Aorus has better VRMs and it also has a reinforced PCIE 4 slot so

like

[placid lake]

It'd look hillarious in my MeshifyC but like, I think it might be the best choice?

[slender otter]

I'd always go for the top performer regardless of looks but if aesthetics is your choice then try to find another ATX motherboard that matches heh, btw how much are you willing to spend on a new board?

[placid lake]

I'm looking at 48 dollars for that board, and it's about the price I'd be willing to spend

[slender otter]

guessing its used?

[placid lake]

Lightly

[slender otter]

if thats the only option then its best to get it

[placid lake]

I'm honestly looking at it most for the VRMs and the reinforced slot but yeah

I just hope it's the board and not the GPU

[drifting schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/ducktales-ducktales2017-webby-vanderquack-ooh-a-kidney-ooh-gif-21540260

[spice fog]

Me asf donating my liver for ram

[olive totem]

oh boy i havent checked the ram channel in months lets se-

https://tenor.com/view/troy-community-room-fire-pizza-gif-5612111

[ripe tartan]

Hey Marc is there a new version for am5

[mild jackal]

Lol

[arctic dome]

One would hope.

[abstract ore]

How do you tell real or fake ram, I know it’s like 0.1% of getting fake ram but yeah

[vale basalt]

anyone have the 9600x?

[wind karma]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ripe tartan]

It’s identical twice

Might just not be focused

[abstract ore]

how do i tell in person

nvm ima just pay 20 bucks at a computer store to test ram lfmao

[wind karma]

Criminal

Have the dude you're buying from test it

[abstract ore]

He’s driving like 30km to me and it’s a good offer anyways

[lyric turret]

keep the freecpu cooler or buy one

[vale basalt]

guys is cl36 terrible for AMD?

[wind karma]

Little higher than ideal but not terrible. Depends on the speed as well though

[vale basalt]

6000 mhz I'm using corsair and apparently it causes instability with amd cpus

[wind karma]

6000cl36 isn't the worst. Might be able to tighten it to cl34 or so

[vernal holly]

Is a 14900k overkill for gaming, im looking for a new cpu rn i have a 12100f and found a seller local willing to sell the 14900k for 300 only thing is id need a new psu because I wouldnt have enough power my current GPU is a 3070

[wind karma]

It will be overkill for a 3070

I'd just look for a 6 or 8 core upgrade (likely xx400 or xx600)

[vernal holly]

I would like to upgrade, I got a h610m rn so ddr4 ram and the 3070 and weak ass cpu I just dont know what I should upgrade to

[vague apex]

A cheap board like that would be power limiting an i9 anyway. I'd also be looking at i5s, 12400, 13400, 14400 or a 12600k. Depends what prices you can find. If you're using the stock cooler you'd want to factor in a cooler upgrade too, you can get a decent dual tower air cooler for about $30.

[sudden creek]

Your board VRMs cannot handle the 14900K.

[vernal holly]

Is it a bad idea to upgrade mobo rn due to ram price

[sudden creek]

You can buy the 14900K and severely power limit it until you have a new PSU or Board though as mentioned above it is quite overkill for a 3070.

[sudden creek]

Boards cost the same, ram costs have gotten a lot higher.

Whether or not it's a bad idea depends on your needs and financial ability.

[vernal holly]

New board though means ddr5 most likely which is new ram rn i have ddr4

[vernal holly]

Don't wanna spend too much maybe like 500 - 550 or so rn I have struggles multitasking or even just playing games cpu likes to run at 80 - 100% majority of the time even in not too heavy things

[sudden creek]

As mentioned, you can buy the 14900K and just severely power limit it and disable the E cores till you have the money for the rest.

This way you buy the parts as you are able to.

The P cores alone will still be a large improvement.

[ripe tartan]

@vernal holly could just go am5

@sudden creek what are the bundles lookin like for am5

[sudden creek]

Haven't looked these last two weeks but last I saw they were decent. Can grab a CPU, BOARD and RAM for about $400-450

Can grab a 9600x at $190 or a 7600x at $179.

7700x at $199

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16819113768T?item=N82E16819113768T

7900x at $251 if he needs the cores
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16819113769T?item=N82E16819113769T

Two DIMMs AM5 mobo with WiFi and two M.2 slots for $129

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-b850m-x-wifi-r2-0-micro-atx-motherboards-amd-amd-b850-am5/p/N82E16813162225?item=N82E16813162225

2x16GB 6000cl36 ram for $280
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QF9wrH/crucial-pro-overclocking-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl36-memory-cp2k16g60c36u5b

[wind karma]

yeah those struggles are because the 12100 is a 4 core. Even a 12400 would probably fix those issues

[wind karma]

I wouldn't bother getting a 14900k and power limiting it, just get one of the chips covante reccomended

[vernal holly]

Do i need the cores? I dont know ANYTHING about cpus

I'd like to future proof a little also

[wind karma]

If you're just gaming, the 8 core 7700x will be fine

[sudden creek]

For pure gaming or even light productivity 8 cores is fine. You'd only want more then 8 if you are doing things that require it like AI, Simulations, 3D Design, etc.

[junior saffron]

Does the mobo I got not support RGB?

I’m trying to find the port to plug in my cable at and I can’t which is confusing me?

[junior saffron]

You able to help me by chance please

Anyone able to help me by chance

[hollow thorn]

Doesn't look like it has any RGB or argb headers, you'll need some external sata powered RGB or argb hub

[vale basalt]

It doesn't by the looks of it, just get a rgb hub

• 1 x SPI TPM Header
• 1 x Power LED and Speaker Header
• 1 x CPU Fan Connector (4-pin)*
• 3 x Chassis/Water Pump Fan Connectors (4-pin) (Smart Fan Speed Control)**
• 1 x 24 pin ATX Power Connector
• 1 x 8 pin 12V Power Connector
• 1 x Front Panel Audio Connector
• 1 x Thunderbolt™ AIC Connector (5-pin) (Supports ASRock Thunderbolt™ 4 AIC Card)
• 2 x USB 2.0 Headers (Support 4 USB 2.0 ports)
• 2 x USB 3.2 Gen1 Headers (Support 4 USB 3.2 Gen1 ports)
• 1 x Front Panel Type C USB 3.2 Gen2 Header

[junior saffron]

which one would work for me? im fixing to buy one now

[gaunt sand]

Is it safe to buy cpu and ram from China?

[vale basalt]

I mean it’s straight from the manufacturer pretty much @gaunt sand

Plus your avoiding most fees

Just make sure the place is legit

Cause some Chinese markets sell CPUs with their tops replaced to be another kind of cpu

[sudden creek]

To be fair this happens in the US, Taiwan, India, etc as well.

[sudden creek]

As with any Vendor check the source and if sketchy use PayPal.

[vernal holly]

Found this would this be good instead of switching to new mobo ram and cpu

[wind karma]

Probably more than you need but it's a decent deal

There's a $138 12400f though

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pQNxFT/intel-core-i5-12400f-25-ghz-6-core-processor-bx8071512400f

[sudden creek]

@wind karma @slender otter @ripe tartan looky what I snuck in hehehe.

[slender otter]

mmm sodimms

[wind karma]

Smuggling sodimms 💀 what has this market come to

[sudden creek]

Lmao.

I got it all for free too

Went to a repair shop right before the market started changing drastically and they let me take my pick of the lot

[wind karma]

Surprised they gave a 2x8 3200mhz kit for free tbh

[sudden creek]

I forgot the reason they let me do it is I organized they horribly unorganized pile of DIMMs.

[wind karma]

Ah

[sudden creek]

Their*

Still 5 8GB DIMMs and two of which are quite good

I don't think D4 sodimm goes above 3200mhz does it?

[wind karma]

Not sure. My ryzen 5825u only supports up to 3200mhz though

[vague apex]

There were some, you'd need a system that actually supports memory oc. There weren't any cpus with native/official support past 3200.

[sudden creek]

Upgraded! 2x4GB -> 2x8GB both 3200mhz.

[sudden creek]

Gotcha. I was not aware of this.

[lament jewel]

Does anyone have a reliable way I can tell if my CPU is overheating reguarly and causing hitches in games? Ryzen 5 7600x, Peerless Assasin Cooler

I used Cinebench and it regularly throttles when I do a multi core test

[vague apex]

You can use an in game overlay and watch the cpu temps. Or you can use hwinfo, sensors only mode, logging start, and that will keep track of all sensors for you then you can look through it after.

[wind karma]

Hwinfo will show if the CPU is throttling

[vague apex]

Or you can just scroll through it, there should be a yes/no section for thermal throttling and max temps for the session listed.

[lament jewel]

thank you, i will start logging
what overlay do you recommend? is it a third party program?

[vague apex]

The gpu makers all have a 1st party one. Steam has one. Msi afterburner/riva tuner is the one a lot of people use.

[lament jewel]

I have 9070xt, im assuming it would be adrenlin

[vague apex]

Yeah but if you have intel cpu adrenalin won't show you anything about it except utilization %.

[abstract ore]

1150 cad after tax for this good or nah

[ripe tartan]

Nope

@sudden creek you have Intel cpu don’t you

Or wait

[sudden creek]

In my PC, Laptop, or in my boxes of parts?

[ripe tartan]

Pc

[sudden creek]

9950x3D.

I do have a 10700F with a Asus Tuf board in the boxes though.

[vernal holly]

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-12th-gen-core-i5-12600kf-alder-lake-lga-1700-desktop-cpu-processor/p/N82E16819118349?item=N82E16819118349 what about this a little bit faster for 40$ more right?

[wind karma]

Yeah that's an option too

[vernal holly]

or should i get the 13th gen?

for 180

yk what, I could just build a new pc, id prob keep the 3070 tho because I cant really afford a gpu on top of everything but whats a decent build?

say keeping it under 700 is that possible?

thats currently better than mine rn, sorry for all the question i dont know shi about pcs only how to build it is what i know

[wind karma]

Not worth building a new PC if you're keeping the 3070

Ddr5 ram prices are crazy rn

A 12400, 12600, or any newer 6+ core cpu will be plenty for the 3070

[vernal holly]

ok will a 12600 be good in a future build too?

[wind karma]

It would support a bit of a gpu upgrade I think

Nothing too crazy

[vernal holly]

say like a 4070 or 4080

[wind karma]

4070 for sure, 4080 would probably be alright at 1440p and certainly 4k

[vernal holly]

ok cool, I got a bunch of amazon giftcards for xmas and was just doing a final check before purchasing

since newegg is out of stock on the 12600

I truly appreciate all the help and all the answering for my questions

[wind karma]

Yeah no problem

[vernal holly]

so what should I look for when I want to make a new build, ofc when ram prices go down

[wind karma]

Hard to say because that's probably a couple years out. But AMD will likely be a good choice

[vernal holly]

well 16gb of ddr5 rn is around the 200 mark right? what if i was to keep this cpu

[wind karma]

You'd have to upgrade the motherboard as well as the ram to go to ddr5

[vernal holly]

do they not make lga1700 boards for ddr5?

[wind karma]

They do

[wind karma]

^

[vernal holly]

got it

[wind karma]

Likely more worth it to go for fresh am5 and sell the lga1700 setup though

[vernal holly]

ok, say in about 6 months or so I wanted to do the build what cpu would I look for cause I know even less about amd

[wind karma]

Ram prices ain't dropping in 6 months just fyi

Unless some miracle happens

[vernal holly]

yeah I know

[wind karma]

You'd want a 9600x or 9700x

[vernal holly]

unfortunate but its either wait a year or 2 to save 100$ or just deal with it

is it better to build a small form factor? I reallly dont care how it looks since it sits on the ground anyway

[wind karma]

If you're planning to upgrade in 6 months idk if I'd bother with the 12600. If you're going to am5/ddr5 it's better to upgrade now before ram goes higher

[vernal holly]

well I dont have the money right now I dont know if I even owuld in months I know itd be before 2 years though and I already placed the order for the 12600 😬

[wind karma]

itx is usually a lot more expensive but matx can be a good middle ground

[vernal holly]

it wouldnt be impossible to uppgrade using the 12600 though right? i mean it does seem just slightly slower than the 9600x but it also is a little cheaper and since gaming is more gpu reliant that would be the more importnat part right?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/y4BzK8/crucial-classic-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr5-5600-cl46-memory-ct2k8g56c46u5 Ik this got no cover but hows the speed on it

then I could also buy the mobo ram and potentially case sooner and then wait to get the 4070 or 4080 and keep the 3070 until then

[vague apex]

It's 5600 jedec, no xmp/expo profiles on it. So not particularly fast and it's definitely micron with no heatspreaders so custom oc potential is rather limited. Being 8gb sticks is also a bit of a handicap because it doesn't use all the bandwidth available in a channel. It should be a little better than 1x16 but if you plan on adding another 16gb later 1x16 might be a better option long term.
Really I'd just upgrade the cpu, it'll be noticeably improved if you're trying to multitask and game on a 4 core and maxing it out. Then you should be in a position not to have to worry about a platform upgrade for a while instead of getting ripped off that bad on ddr5.

[vernal holly]

ram prices are so unbelievably stupid right now its crazy

should I wait to upgrade anything else, like should I wait to get the new mobo/ram before another gpu, the 3070 is good for most things but im trying to play avatar frontiers of pandora rn with a friend and both the cpu and gpu are stuggling but this game is VERY demanding

[vague apex]

Avatar is one of the most demanding games that's come out.

[vernal holly]

ts on medium/low im still barely hitting 60fps

[vague apex]

You can look at gpu utilization % in the nvidia overlay (alt r) and see if the 12100 is letting your gpu run near its full potential. The further away the gpu is from 100% the more a cpu upgrade has room to help you.

[vernal holly]

its jumping around but it the most common is 88%

[vague apex]

If you were fully gpu limited it would stay in the 95-100 range. So if you're getting bad stutters that's likely the cpu or maybe ram if you have 16gb, that can be checked too.

[vernal holly]

yeah its stuttering real bad right now and i get occasional stutters other times but right now it awful

how can I check the ram thing I do have 16gb

[vague apex]

If it's not in the nvidia overlay you'd want to check the settings for that on nvidia app. If it doesn't have a setting in there you can use a different program like msi afterburner/riva tuner and it'll have all kinds of statistics you can put in its overlay.

[vernal holly]

also the more I get to a higher vegitated area the gpu jumps up to the 90s for %

[vague apex]

In gneral things like trees and shadows is more work for the gpu. More characters or things that are moving is more work for the cpu to keep track of the position of everything.

[vernal holly]

thats memory on task manager and afterburner becasue I couldnt find a option on the nvidia overlay

[vague apex]

Your 12100 would be pretty close to the 3600 or 8700k on the min spec (these are 6 core cpus but slower per core than a 12th gen) and your gpu is slightly better than the recommended spec. A 12400/f is neck and neck with the 5600x and the other ones like a 12600k or 1440f would be a bit faster than that in games.

[vernal holly]

Great! well the 12600kf comes in on the 31st so Ill get to see the difference then, but what settings do they have reccomended on? medium?

and no raytracing

[vague apex]

It says at the bottom, and presumably 1080p.

[vernal holly]

awesome

just out of curiosity still, If i did want to upgrade my gpu because of a good deal or something, should it wait until new mobo and ram or just replace the 3070 in the current setup

[vague apex]

Depends how big of an upgrade, what games, settings, resolution, etc... The simplest way to check is to go back to looking at that GPU utilization again, if it's staying pegged near 100% all the time then a new GPU can make a difference for you. Not perfect but it's fairly accurate and it's easy.

[vale basalt]

decent difference from going from 7500f to 9600x?

[vague apex]

It's a little faster in games and you get a warranty.

[wind karma]

12100 is also 4 core 💀 so wouldn't be surprised if it does worse than a 3600

4 core on windows is rough these days

[obtuse moss]

what a tree

[potent dew]

And atm it's probably worth more than what most people have in their bank accounts

If it were actually DDR4/5

[vague apex]

The pins have a swoop in them on 4 and 5 where they're shorter at the edge. On 3 and earlier the bottom edge was straight/flat.

[potent dew]

Yeah they don't look like 4/5

[abstract ore]

got an deal on the 265kf, should i go with that or should i go with 7600x instead

building a sff build with 9060xt

[vague apex]

What kind of sff? Does it have room for a real cooler? And how good of a deal?

[abstract ore]

not the best but I think i can just sell the ram and mobo

[vague apex]

Sell the ram? Did it come bundled with cudimms?

[peak juniper]

Can someone help me. My son knocked my pc over and now when it boots up there’s no video. The cpu light stays on and I can only power it off by flipping the switch on my psu or unplugging it

[midnight pollen]

sounds like something could've gotten knocked out of place. id probably start by at least reseating the gpu and ram. possibly even the cpu if that doesn't work since the debug light is on

[sudden creek]

1. Reseat all components (CPU, GPU, RAM, SSDs, etc) and power cables

2. While the PC is off and not connected to the wall, Clear the CMOS (Use a button if available otherwise remove the CMOS Battery for 1m and do a power press before reseating the battery or jump the CMOS pins.

As Ghosty said, start with the easy components like the GPU and RAM along with a reseat of all power cables.

[peak juniper]

Okay I’ll give an update afterwards

[peak juniper]

I did everything and it’s still not working. Idk at this point

[sudden creek]

Were any of the contact (gold looking pins either flat or needle like) damaged on any of the components.

[peak juniper]

Nothing bent or out place. Could it be my psu. It wasn’t secured in the case.

I even tried connecting stuff one by one

[sudden creek]

Step by step, what happens when you try to power it on?

[peak juniper]

When I power it on everything starts up. The fans come on and the lights come on then the boot light comes up and stays on. No video comes up at all. I can send a video.

[peak juniper]

I sent a dm

[sudden creek]

I can't read the text next to the red light, can you check and tell me what it says?

[peak juniper]

It says cpu

[sudden creek]

send me a pic of each corner of the cpu and a Angled top-down view showing the pins and pcb from all 4 sides. I think one side might be scratched.

[peak juniper]

Okay

[solid crest]

Hey, anyone bought the Ryzen 5800XT recently? Does it come with the Wraith Prism cooler bundled?

I know it launched like that but recently AMD discontinued the cooler model so I wanted to confirm

[sudden creek]

For all you chrome haters and lovers give this a watch.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OWA26LErzTQ

[cursive epoch]

the only instance chrome has used so much memory for me is using youtube

[toxic flame]

What’s the best thermal paste for the ryzen 9 9950x3d?

[hollow thorn]

Tom's hardware's 2025 roundup:
https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-thermal-paste
Mx-6 is generally going to be good enough

[sudden creek]

I personally use PTM7950.

The issue with the 9950x3D is the frustratingly large IHS makes it very hard to transfer all the heat away.

If you are trying to min-max without any delidding, go with either:

In order of best to less best

• Liquid Metal (conductive liquid)

• TG Kryosheet (conductive graphene sheet and requires significant mounting pressure)

• TG Phasesheet (slightly improved PTM7950)

Otherwise just grab a standard paste.

[meager elbow]

more expensive than a real tree

[toxic flame]

I bought the arctix mx7

[toxic flame]

Is conductive liquid like high risk and not for beginners?

[sudden creek]

If you mess up you will have a dead cpu. So proceed with caution.

The kryosheet is also conductive but it's a soft sheet instead of a liquid making it very easy to apply and hard to mess up.

[toxic flame]

The people in the reviews on amazon said it was very fragile and you have to be precise

[sudden creek]

Buy the correct size, place it on the IHS gently, mount the cooler carefully, crank it tight.

It is delicate so don't toss it. Lightly place it down.

[toxic flame]

Gotcha ill buy that then

Ty

[sudden creek]

For AM5 buy the 33x33mm

for other sizes refer to the Thermalgrizzly site for the image showing what size is for what.

I plan to get myself a Kryosheet later since it's reusable unlike my PTM7950.

[toxic flame]

Isnt the ryzen 9 9950x3d 38x38?

[sudden creek]

AM4.

[toxic flame]

OHHH

[sudden creek]

AM4 is 38x38.

9950x3D is AM5. It has a smaller IHS size but same cooler support*

[toxic flame]

Gotcha

[sudden creek]

Corrected my statement, I got the words mixed up in my head.

For AM5 to maintain cooler support AMD raised the IHS height of AM4 cpus to match AM5 cpus.

@toxic flame one more tip.

When mounting the cooler, keep the pc on it's side so the motherboard is flat with the table to insure even pressure.

[toxic flame]

Ok, so I put the cpu and aio on the mb first? then install it in the case?

[sudden creek]

can have it in the case so long as you have enough room to tighten the cooler.

[toxic flame]

Ahhh I see, Ill just return the arctix mx7 and buy me that pad, thank you very much!

[sudden creek]

You are welcome.

[scenic solar]

I'm running a 10400f on a gigabyte z590d, cinebench r23 mc returns the expected 8100 points, hwinfo reports 55w peak power draw, is it reporting right?

I just expected this cpu to draw more under heavy load

[vague apex]

Score lines up but that boost clock power draw does seem really low. What does it say pl2 is set at?

[scenic solar]

nvm i think the mbs faulty, power and voltage readings are incorrect and ram is unstable. it sometimes shuts down under load

[vale basalt]

What's a good motherboard brand for AMD DDR5 9000 gen CPUs

using MSI Tomahawk but having rebooting issues etc

[compact zenith]

I was looking at the Z790 Gigabyte Aorus Master, and wondering if the memory issue is fixed that the Z690 has where you cant use all 4 slots because it crashes the motherboard.

[primal magnet]

What makes you think it's the board? I have 2 tomahawk x870e with 9700 and 9900 with no issues.

[vale basalt]

B650 tomahawk

Not the other ones

Multiple memory related issues but my memory so far has passed all memory tests

[sudden creek]

Elaborate on rebooting?

Does it get stuck in a memory training cycle and power cycling repeatedly sometimes get it unstuck but when it posts it works fine?

[vale basalt]

it'll just restart itself like I just turned it on no lights turn off and fans don't turn off or ramp up say if it was a power shutdown or overheating issue

I could be scrolling through fb or just loading up a game

and itll just go black on my screen

then itll go through post and launch up windows as normal

[sudden creek]

Most likely the CPU to be honest

I had two faulty AM5 CPUs, both were 7950x3D. One of them had the exact issue you are describing.

It would just randomly crash and reboot whether I liked it or not.

[sudden creek]

The other one had this issue mentioned above.

[vale basalt]

I thought so too and just replaced my cpu and still present

[sudden creek]

Strange, I am out of answers then. Only way to know is to get temporary parts from amazon to test is my thinking.

[surreal belfry]

Wait im about to get msi b850 tomahawk!!!?????

[vale basalt]

b850 may be fine

just heard b650 boards are common with am5 stability issues

[surreal belfry]

I guess they are low end for 9000 series?

[vale basalt]

not even cuz I had a 7500f in it before this and still had the same issues

[vague apex]

B650, b650e, b850, x870 are all the same chipset. The only difference is in some mandatory minimum features like usbs or what is required to be pcie gen 5.

[vale basalt]

Yes but some have better timings for ram

Like they support more then the other

[scenic solar]

I suspect my gigabyte z590d has failing vrms, but I'd like to diagnose further and I need some help. it struggles and fails frequently to train ram, especially at higher frequencies than 2133. tried various combinations of cpu and ram, most of the time it's either no post, or ram errors. 11400f causes the system to shut down under medium load, 10400f doesn't. bios update didn't solve.
hwinfo reports lower wattage than what I'm used to see on these chips

are there some voltages i should try to tweak?

[vale basalt]

BEST AM5 9000 gen motherboards? my b650 tomahawk sucks

[vague apex]

This depends on the board, not the chipset. And unless you're trying to push up toward 8000 it's not likely to be relevant. Some of the older ones might say they don't support as high of OC ram speeds because a lot of that expanded compatibility was added with an agesa after they came out which had optimizations for 1:2 fclk ration. Could be the marketing materials were written before that and be as simple as a bios update. There is also some amount of trace and signal integrity on the upper reaches though. If you're just trying to do the normal 2 sticks 6000 then that should work on basically anything.

[gaunt sand]

I need help with ddr4 ram. How do I set it to run at the rated speed for ddr4 for my corsair lpx ram?

I enabled xmp but task manager is saying it's 1467mhz now when it was 2933 before xmp.

I have ryzen 7 2700 and a msi x470 motherboard i think

Ok I set the frequency to 3200 mhz while also enabling xmp for the 3200mhz profile

But now it's taking a long time to load up my display 😭

It said 1600 mhz on task manager when I got on windows but when I tried to boot into bios it's not doing it

[cursive epoch]

task manager can report half of the actual speed

because of the double data rate

1600x2 is 3200

[compact zenith]

I was about to buy three of the Aorus Master Z790 when I noticed its a 3rd party seller, shipping from HongKong? Not something I'm willing to risk.

[ripe tartan]

What’s the listing?

[compact zenith]

Brb, I'll grab link

[ripe tartan]

Take your time

[compact zenith]

Its gone

Was a listing which was why I asked last night if the 4 slot ram issue was addressed

#cpus-mobo-and-memory message

I have 3 Z690 I wanted to upgrade to z790 due to same cpu and Internet 7. Since I already own the ram, would have been a simple upgrade.

Brb

Found it, but link copied wrong. One sec

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-z790-aorus-master-extended-atx-motherboard-intel-z790-lga-1700/p/N82E16813145415?item=9SIC4RPKRD3369&Source=socialshare&utm_campaign=snc-copy-link-_-sr-_-9SIC4RPKRD3369-_-01122026&utm_campaign=snc-copy-link-_-sr-_-product-_-01122026&utm_medium=social&utm_source=copy-link

Strange. Not sure why it shows like that, but far as it goes, it was $450 yesterday, and simply afraid to risk it.

[ripe tartan]

They seem to average a decent rating on most of their listings. I’d personally say go for it.

If you have questions, just email the seller.

If there’s any issues, just message neweggservice here

[compact zenith]

Neweggservice has never let me down. Quite helpful 4 years ago. Wow, just realized how much time since last major rebuild.

I'll message seller.

Thanks.

Something does concern me. Would a motherboard from HongKong have different region settings? Last time I ever imported a computer, I ordered 4 Amiga 2000 systems from the UK early 90s and ran into so many issues with adding hardware.

Miss the old BBS days

[vale basalt]

https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/asus-tuf-gaming-b650e-plus-wi-fi-6e-am5-ddr5-motherboard-for-amd-ryzen-9000-8000-7000-series-cpus/19409769

Is this board any good guys?

Replacing my b650 tomahawk for it

[sudden creek]

It fine. Nothing bad, nothing special.

[vale basalt]

Kk thank you

[strange sedge]

yeah but pretty dang expensive

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Lnrqqs/asrock-b650-pro-rs-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-pro-rs-wifi this is way less and will be the same

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HkTFf7/asrock-b850-pro-rs-atx-am5-motherboard-b850-pro-rs can also spend 10$ more for pcie 5 which like... wont do much

[lyric turret]

dont get asrock board

[strange sedge]

?

all the issues are fixed

[lyric turret]

are you sure?

its a 50/50

[strange sedge]

yes?

everything is a 50/50

it happens or it doesnt

asrock has fixed the issues

[lyric turret]

What verison of bios do u download?

i got the same board last night and i put my 9800x3d and wouldnt boot at all

[strange sedge]

i dont have one, but they have fixed the issues

[strange sedge]

did you install newest bios?

[lyric turret]

No not yet idk which verison to get

[strange sedge]

the... newest... one

[lyric turret]

people are saying 3.50 are the issuses there having so do i get the 12/12/25

[lyric turret]

should i flash bios with the ram in or should i wait before installing the ram

[strange sedge]

3.50 isnt the newest one

[strange sedge]

flash with everything

[lyric turret]

bet also install windows before flash or wait til i got the newest bios

[strange sedge]

doesnt rly matter

[vale basalt]

Basically same price as my old one

[strange sedge]

You also overpaid for that then

[vale basalt]

It’s Canadian prices btw

It’s on sale for paid 229$ which is 165 usd

[strange sedge]

Oh

[sudden creek]

Issues have been patched for a while now. I know a lot of folks with the Taichi, HDV, and Riptide boards that run without problems.

[sudden creek]

Flash Bios with the system assembled and install windows after updating BIOS.

[shut thicket]

The ASRock issue seems like one of those where there are more buyers hence there are bound to be more people with issues

[toxic flame]

Im not too sure but is 46c good idle on the ryzen 9 9950x3d, i have the arctic 360 pro aio and im using the thermalgrizzly kyrosheet, I dont know if I placed it wrong like if im missing out on more cooling, is there a way to test it easily to know if i did it right? (i get 60-62c when playing tarkov arena)

[toxic flame]

It goes up a bit when I alt tab or like move my mouse or do other stuff like going to other tabs in discord but i think thats normal

[hollow thorn]

60 some under load sounds right, idle temps don't really matter

steady state under load tells you the most about your cooling performance, spikes happen when fans and pump are idling and then you put a load on that heats up the chip before the pump and fans ramp up in response

idle depends a ton on your ambient temperature and your fan curves and pump rpm settings

[sudden creek]

If you are getting below 70c during gaming it is definitely working.

[old holly]

Wishing bad things on gskill rn 🙏 🙏 🙏

in the middle of these ram prices too 😡

[strange sedge]

RMA it

[old holly]

Didnt think it would have a warrenty still active but aparently it does, thanks

also im filling out the RMA form rn, if i dont have the box anymore how does one obtain the serial number

[vague apex]

You take out a stick. Should be the bottom one.

[old holly]

totally forgot about that thanks

[gaunt sand]

Thinking of getting a JGINYUE B550I motherboard for my friend's sff build. From what I see it doesn't come with a heatsink for nvme drives and apparently the back nvme slot is pcie 4.0. Should I get an aftermarket heatsink? I'm giving them my mp34 512gb nvme

Also it doesn't have usb-c front connector, is there some sort of adapter I can do for that?

[gaunt sand]

Also is undervolting cpu safe? I heard it can brick your computer compared to undervolting a gpu so I'm kind of reluctant to try

[wind karma]

I have that exact model. You may want a heatsink for the rear ssd since it doesn't get much case airflow

The main downside of the board is that it doesn't support sleep

[wind karma]

Yes, it's safe

To my knowledge it can't brick your pc

But I have a -25mv all core uv on my 5700x3d and it's great for temps

[gaunt sand]

Oh you do??

I'm thinking about getting it because it is the cheapest one I was able to find. Originally we were deciding on the asrock b550m-itx but it's out of stock at microcenter and is way too expensive now

I saw there was problems with sleep mode, is this true?

[wind karma]

Yeah it's the cheapest am4 itx afaik

[gaunt sand]

And have you found any other trouble with the board?

[wind karma]

Nope

[gaunt sand]

So sleep works normally?

[wind karma]

No

[wind karma]

^

[gaunt sand]

Also is this https://www.jginyue.com/index/Article/show/cat_id/43/id/128 where to download drivers?

Ohhh

[gaunt sand]

Ahh my bad I missed this

The board looks really good for the money but I feel little spooked out by the website

I can't really find the chipset drivers for am4

Only was able to find these

And instruction book is empty 😭 😭

[vague apex]

That's a new one. Think they meant 44 for trcd and trp?

[shut thicket]

Almost a ps5 price

Crazy

[scenic solar]

I've got a few motherboards to chose from before buying, what should I get? they'll be paired with 10600k/11400 cpus, drawing up to 150w.
asrock z490pro4/ac (75€)
asrock z490 steel legend (85€)
msi z490a pro (90€)
gigabyte z490 ud (80€)
gigabyte z590 d (80€)
asus prime z590p (95€)

[scenic solar]

I want to buy two different ones

[steel galleon]

whats a good workstation and gaming hybrid cpu?

preferably looking for an AM5 thats also not 120 TDP

but if it comes to it i might just get a 120 TDP and tank the electricity bill

[ripe tartan]

Probably one of the newer Ryzen max cpus
Or a recent 50x3d chip

[vague apex]

You can easily set eco mode power limits on any of them.

[steel galleon]

was the 9800x3d recently in the doorbuster ?

[vague apex]

It was, in limited quantity for $400 and sold out immediately. You'd want to figure out how much you care about top end gaming performance (what gpu and resolution and types of games you like and performance goals you have) and how much you care about heavily multithreaded performance and balance that against budget/value. When you say workstation what do you mean? Cpu rendering, encoding, compression, compile, something else?

[steel galleon]

I was considering the 9700x and comparing it to the 9600x and i realized i want to be able to handle a bunch of background apps without worrying about things slowing down

currently trying to pair it with 5070 ti

[vague apex]

Background apps like what?

[steel galleon]

edge, discord, spotify, i also want to be able to record, i have around 20-30 tabs albeit not all of the tabs are active and do all of that while running modded minecraft + shaders on my 4060ti i5-13400f

ive been meaning to get an upgrade i have all the parts except the storage, case, and cpu

[obtuse moss]

sounds like u'll need a lot of ram

if u want to do a lot of things at once

[steel galleon]

alot of ram is what i have

[vague apex]

I probably would have just bought a new gpu and maybe psu and seen how that works for you before committing to the other stuff.

If you want to use obs then having some extra cpu cores wouldn't hurt but nvnenc can do most of the heavy lifting for you there with decent quality.

[meager elbow]

It is worth noting that even if a chip has a high tdp, it doesn't mean it's going to draw 120w the whole time it's on
On idle your whole system including GPU and single monitor would probably be around 200w

Under load though.... Full load would probably be like 800-900w depending on the gpu

[steel galleon]

[steel galleon]

how would warthunder fall between 9700x and 9800x3d

[hollow thorn]

War thunder will run on a potato, if you're only playing war thunder, 9600x would be fine lol

[sudden creek]

War Thunder ran fine on my 5700G and runs like a charm on my 9950x3D.

That game doesn't need to many resources.

[sudden creek]

The 9850x3D is very disappointing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsY7FZ6ZjmM

The actual FPS difference is less than 1%.

[steel galleon]

its primary function is less heat from the energy use

i think thats the difference

[sudden creek]

How so? It uses the same IHS and due to the higher clock pulls more power on average albeit the same maximum power draw.

[sudden creek]

@cursive epoch @stiff kraken @limpid warren thoughts on the Gigabyte B850M Force WiFi V2 for my 9950x3D? When I downsize to the Dan A3 I'd like to get a two dimm board with at least two preferably 3 M.2 slots.

[cursive epoch]

vrms looks healthy to handle the cpu

especially without an oc

[sudden creek]

I do Overclock my CPU and I've seen it pull a max of 300w in Cinebench.

Normal usage is much much lower though.

Do you think the VRMs can handle 300w?

[cursive epoch]

i think so

[sudden creek]

That's a relief.

[cursive epoch]

it has plenty of cooling

[sudden creek]

This whole downsizing plan has had my mind worked up.

[cursive epoch]

and there are 8+2+2 phases

[sudden creek]

I am used to a Fractal Torrent with essentially no size or cooling restrictions.

[cursive epoch]

tbh even a cheap board like b650 that used to be $100 when it came out can handle a lot

some dude did oc an am5 chip with ln2 just fine

made a world record with a cheap board lmao

[sudden creek]

Oh damn.

Guessing it was the B650M HDV from ASRock.

[cursive epoch]

yes

[sudden creek]

Mind if I pick your brain a bit more?

[cursive epoch]

sure, i don't mind

[sudden creek]

I am going to downsize to the Lian Li Dan A3. I have a 360mm AIO and I am leaning towards setting it up on the side rather then top to try and ensure both the GPU and CPU get the freshest air then having the top as exhaust and rear likely as intake.

What are your thoughts on this cooling setup?

[cursive epoch]

as long as the rad's pipes are above the pump, it should be fine

using the aio fans to draw in air is also a good way to optimize the limited space

[sudden creek]

My other idea is setup the top as intake as well to try and maybe cool the RAM better but not sure how much that would harm the GPU and CPU temps.

[cursive epoch]

heat rises naturally

so it can end up trapping heat and turning into a small oven

[sudden creek]

Having the rear set as exhaust should overcome that no?

[cursive epoch]

yes, it should

[sudden creek]

I will be replacing all my fans with Arctic P12 Pros.

[cursive epoch]

p12 pro is known to be loud though

[sudden creek]

Which config do you think will be better? Both have the AIO on the side with the fan set to intake in pull config to increase airflow to the ram. Top intake with rear exhaust or reverse it?

[sudden creek]

Noise is fine. I am used to keeping an AC or Standing Fan running so I've gotten in the habit of leaving my PC fans at 80-100% to minimize temps for OC.

[cursive epoch]

ah

well then you'd have no issues then

[cursive epoch]

with the little space there is, i'd go with the top intake and rear exhaust config

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

Unfortunately I don't think Push/Pull will be doable due to my AIO's large Infinity Mirror.

I have the LT720 AIO.

[cursive epoch]

push/pull really only gives you a degree or so of decrease in temps

so you're not losing anything here

[sudden creek]

My goal is to ideally keep my CPU's load temps around 50c in games to maintain 5.75Ghz boosts on the V-Cache CCD.

So I am trying to use every little trick there is.

[cursive epoch]

fair enough

[sudden creek]

Seems I should be able to do Push/Pull. That's a Arctic LF3 AIO which is 38mm with 25mm fans.

My LT720 is 27mm thick.

[cursive epoch]

nice

in theory it should all fit

[sudden creek]

Also I found on Etsy a slim SFX PSU cage which should free up an additional 40mm from what I understood because the PSU cage that comes with the A3 is sized to also fit an ATX PSU.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1849456625/lian-li-a3-sfxsfx-l-slim-mount-optimize?ls=a&ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=lian+li+a3&ref=sc_gallery-1-1&bes=1&cns=1&plkey=EuJpm9CWJ13Yhyw3l8Y_lLlCkge0%3ALT87ff1837ad05000553b3b186c13a4ac3cc8c2725

[steel galleon]

i got the 9600x instead of the 9800x3d and gonna upgrade to zen 6 or 7 when it comes out

w idea?

[vague apex]

That's what I'd likely be doing. You can upgrade CPU whenever you need to and the 9600x is a really good one. Having a faster CPU than you need doesn't actually gain you anything.

[trail gorge]

They sound like server fans

I returned that

Treat 40 or 50% like 100%

They do move a ton of air through a rad though, even at a low rpm

[sudden creek]

How loud are they compared to Arctic P12 ARGB?

[trail gorge]

I was talking about the pros

But I am noise sensitive since my pc is on my desk

[sudden creek]

@trail gorge corrected myself.

[trail gorge]

From what I remember they are quiet but also pretty weak

They are cheap but "good enough" which is why they are popular

Doesn't mean they are good though

I don't think they would be good on rads

[sudden creek]

Was wondering how the P12 compared to the P12 Pro. @trail gorge

[wind karma]

I believe the Pro is optimized for static pressure

[sudden creek]

Is there anything better than the P12 Pro without buying obnoxious server fans that chug 10w and sound miserable?

[wind karma]

For static pressure I believe the p12 pro is one of the best (other than server or other loud options)

[sudden creek]

Gotcha, guess I am sticking with that plan then.

[wind karma]

There's probably a noctua model that outperforms them but it also probably costs 3x

[sudden creek]

Yeah I don't wanna eat up my budget.

I am gonna buy the 9070xt Mercury and probably the SFX-L 1000W Loki psu then sell my old hardware for about $1000 to get the budget for the Dan A3, B850M Force V2, and 10 Arctic P12 Pro fans then use the remaining budget for a QHD oled.

[wind karma]

I'd probably only use the p12 Pros on a radiator

Normal p12s will be quieter for general case flow

[sudden creek]

I want the extra pressure for the ram and aio.

I am gonna side mount the AIO in P/P and have the top as intake to add fresh air for the ram and vrms then a fan as exhaust.

Open to ideas on how to optimize flow though

[wind karma]

I'd probably just do aio on top intaking and then let air passively exit the side panel

[sudden creek]

this is a LF3 for reference. I have an LT720 so the P/P config will clear and I plan to later get the SFX-SLIM PSU mount which will give me an additional 40mm of clearance on the side.

[sudden creek]

Issue I noticed in reviews is this config heats up the cpu by quite a few degrees. The Mercury with power limits increased can pull 400w.

[wind karma]

Huh interesting

I mean if there's testing to show side aio is better then do that

[sudden creek]

Reddit testing but side seems to be a lot better, for the CPU with a minor heat increase to the GPU. I just can't decide on having the top as intake or exhaust to get fresh air to the ram.

[wind karma]

My question would be if top and side are both intake (and gpu intakes from bottom) where does the hot air end up

Could potentially recirculate into the GPU but idrk

[sudden creek]

rear exhaust

[wind karma]

Right but the ratio will be a little off lol

[sudden creek]

Fair.

Man I wish I didn't need to downsize.