td2-general-chat

[tiny oar]

i target walker to get the named item

didnt got the named, but i got 5 relics sniper in a single run

something something luck is missing

[rain hedge]

think the worst things to target hunt are backpacks and chest pieces

[tiny oar]

yeah, cause they got too many stats

• talents that are even more random

like you got 12 stats possibilities on 2 lines so you're given an ok chance to get the one you need, but for talent ? 1 out 25 and if you dont like it then cry

thank god i got massive damage to farm countdown fast

bullet king go brrrrrr

[azure lintel]

if you like games like " What Remains of Edith Finch " i highly suggest you play " paradise lost " .... it has an amazing story

[tiny oar]

xd

i went into a countdown game, after 1 encounter 4 people were already gone, after the 2nd we were 2 left lol

[soft solstice]

Can someone help me get a eagle bearer

[torpid tendon]

It would be fun if it did.

Idk, maybe the duration does, but not the tick... Idk, it went from ~320k(chem) to ~55k(iron lung).

[tiny oar]

the damage is the same, status effect stat only affecti duration iirc

[mystic gyro]

On fl 100 of summit meet help

Was solo for a second

[mint dome]

Id jump in if I was on playstation

[mystic gyro]

Thanks bro 🤣

[mint dome]

Lol

[mystic gyro]

I tried looking for a clan but all I see is pc offers

[mint dome]

True

Anyone know what best way to get expertise up is

[kind veldt]

donating copies and materials

so either grab everything you see in countdown and donate, whatever you cant donate break down for mats

OR if your SHD levle is high enough people used to make a new character and complete the WONY campign to get duped watch to use the points for materials to donate to expertise

this second one you need to have inventory sharing and high enough SHD level to be worth it

[kind veldt]

should try using the lfg channesl

[soft solstice]

where should I grind for eagle bearer

[lunar hare]

Dark Hours preferably

But you need people that are happy FTC

[soft solstice]

alr then what

[soft solstice]

ftc?

[lunar hare]

Free to carry.
Then you just say that you haven't done it and need the key locations, so you can open the last chest and get a higher chance for EB to drop. If they want to and get it, ask them nicely to drop it to you.

I'd rather do DH for a higher EB drop chance than 0.007-ish at DZ. Yuck.

[torpid tendon]

Do the open world hunters.

[dapper atlas]

Now I wanna start another Life is Strange play through. I think I'll do that this weekend. 🤭

[dapper atlas]

I have that one on my wishlist! Should finally buy it.

[split crescent]

RESURRECT Faye Lau!

[fluid meadow]

Man got his priorities straight

[livid flume]

yo

i have a question

[undone timber]

Shoot

[full zinc]

whats up?

[lunar hare]

bruh 🙄

[full zinc]

[stark geyser]

is there any way I can reach lvl 31 to 40 fast, like in an hour or so

[full zinc]

get a level 40 to carry you through missions. probably lincoln memorial

[torpid tendon]

DZ, like IC3CO suggested me earlier today. Seems to be the fastest way, but it took me 5 hours or so.

For solo*

[stark geyser]

I see

[torpid tendon]

Everyone wants to cary, but nobody wants to be carried... No wait-

[stark geyser]

I searched everywhere but didn’t found any way to do it in 1 hour or so. But I heard that it is possible. Even I know few people who reached 31-40 on there 3 characters in just 5-6 hours

[stark geyser]

I think its the opposite, everyone wants to get carried but no one want to carry 🥲

[torpid tendon]

But that's what the joke's about 🥲

[torpid tendon]

Maybe..... MAYBE if you get lvl30 elmos+striker. I would dare to say I can do it in 2 hours or so in the dz.

[stark geyser]

Can I get Elmos in lvl 30 ?

[torpid tendon]

Dunno, I got a lvl38 merciless when I was doing todays run. Also, for the gear, I got 2 lvl30 bulwark pieces, so I think it's possible to get striker.

Maybe you can get it from the weekly exotic caches.

[stark geyser]

I didn’t got any elmos till now. Lets see if I got one later

[woven forum]

anyone know if setting your targeted loot to holsters for better chance at picaros holster or would it be better to set my targeted loot to the gear set for it

[kind veldt]

better put for the brand

there are many named holsters, few of named itens in that brand

[woven forum]

alright sweet thank you

[gilded whale]

@stark geyser fastest way I found is boost to 30 then start wony and do first 3 parts of each mission. And that's basically just running around and opening safe houses. Don't have to fight anyone barely and that will get you to level 36 to 37 in like half hour. Then last 3 levels you can chose how you want. But the main missions in wony give you enuff XP to go up a level per mission. So I have a build saved for these runs that's maxed out. I do it in like a hour and a half solo. If you do dark zone for all ten levels that's a bunch of fighting you have to do.

[timber scroll]

Already done em all

[wheat zinc]

You can do the Kelso and Schaeffer manhunt missions. Those have a hunter that’ll count

[hybrid ore]

PSA: make sure you set your roles over in id:customize, otherwise you won't have access to parts of the server.

[stark geyser]

ty sm for the tip bro, I'll try it for sure

[thick zephyr]

Wish the devs would make conflict matchmaking to separate everyone so that there is no teaming up.
Tired of joining 3 randoms and the other team are all seasoned buddies

[neon wyvern]

there's not enough people playing conflict for that to be implemented

[tiny oar]

almost nobody play that mode, you would wait for ever

[thick zephyr]

PC Asia server is like a ghost town
Matchmaking takes forever.

[tiny oar]

now imagine separate matchmaking

[tiny oar]

lmao why is everyone actively looking to kill me in dz now that i have an exotic to extract but it never happen when i extract random gear xd

[spare cove]

Maybe they smelled the Exotic on you, hence why they were hunting you 😛

[kind veldt]

pretty much

can smell your fear

[gilded perch]

You alive so they kill you, no matter with item

[tiny oar]

usually no, people just go pass me farming ignoring me, but atm they are like camping me at spawn its insane

i barely killed one in front of the entrance before escaping

also i somehow got an entire dz lvl out of that kill lol

[hybrid sinew]

What level is good to start a mule I'm level 77 right now

[spare cove]

I think around SHD lvl 1500 to 2000 is a good lvel to start a mule?

[real creek]

If you can get a carry then there is no downside to having all character slots filled. You gain SHD across all of them and can cash those points in whenever. If you want to start deleting and releveling a mule it's all time/gain and how you feel about it. Only 1k SHD means you'll get 200 watch points but if you have people to carry you thru in 45 minutes or less 200 watch points in under an hour isn't a bad pay out.

[spare cove]

The Division twitter made a post regarding Seasons 2.0 on their Twtitter

[slow smelt]

It sounds like they're saying "Yeah these upcoming seasons will have seasonal characters, but we'll go back in the future"

This is a good change IMO, the whole thing just seemed like Seasons 1.0 with extra steps, all while sabotaging their own endgame progression systems like Expertise and Keener's Watch.

[spare cove]

I guess. It sounds like they're gonna allow us to progress the seasons without the need for seasonal characters

[kind veldt]

will have ot wait and see, dropping seasonal characters without context didnt make like the idea

[slow smelt]

So I hope they got some actually interesting Seasonal Character mechanics. Like, say, removing the Exotic cap or making every Gear Set item count as two items

[kind veldt]

so this seems better than having no information and seemingly forcing people to restart every season

[spare cove]

I'll wait till the livestream and PTS. If seasonal characters have interesting mechanics, I'll give it a shot.

Especially in case I get bored with my main

[kind veldt]

because as i said before, i grinded a regulus just so i could make a weirdo pistol build because i wanted, no way i would regrind the same build every season to play the way i want

[slow smelt]

Yeah, if you want me to replay the game once or twice with a big gimmick, sure. But I’m doing 3-4 new play throughs a year

[kind veldt]

there is no good replayability in the campaign

imagine having to play borderlands and only unlocking skill trees when you reached the level cap

the tool needed for customization are locked behind endgame, which this game has plenty but on early mid game it feels weak after the first time

i was so angry i was writting down a full rework of specs (again) on a notepad

[fiery cloud]

Hey Souless 👋

[slow smelt]

Ironically, the very diversity in loot that makes the endgame great makes replaying the game have issues

[spare cove]

Yeah, I don't think I'd have a problem with Seasons 2.0 initially if it was like "You're gonna have a lvl 40 character with basic gear and its up to you how you'll progress that character with the addition of mechanics for this particular season"

[kind veldt]

how is hard to make more coherent builds by having more brands now?

[narrow dawn]

Is Eagle bearer back or doe is still s***

[kind veldt]

It got buffed a while ago for more rof, its good not busted

[narrow dawn]

Im.download td2 right now

[small plume]

We stand together, guys!

[spare cove]

Controversial opinion, but I'd like the PTS to present Seasons 2.0 before the changes they're doing to it

Y'know, give it a try

[digital ether]

Woohoo! Seasonal characters being axed

[narrow dawn]

I was of td2 so im gonna need some help getting back on track anyone down to help me out

Down is done in 20 mins

[spare cove]

I don't think its gonna get axed. More like "We're gonna allow you guys to progress seasons 2.0 without needing seasonal characters"

[small plume]

Which already is a massive W

[cyan narwhal]

the master difficulty will only be locked behind the seasonal i suppose

[kind veldt]

i think they will just have a mode wit hdisabled modifier but regular season track live we have been

[kind veldt]

they said that wouldnt be the case as one of the "uses" of old characters was to do exactly that difficulty

so probably is osme legendary tier mission

[tender wave]

Kind of sad about the loss of seasonal characters, I don't have much to grind for on my main any more, they would have given me a reason to put time in again. Hope Hawkster is right and they're still available in some form.

[kind veldt]

i mean "progressing without them" does not mean killing them in my view

rarely devs throw years of work in the window

specially after announcing it

[jagged imp]

Did something happen? I'm hearing seasonal characters got changed?

[kind veldt]

read #news-and-announcements

[tender wave]

Too many people think the fun only starts when you've got everything maxed out, but having goals and progress (ie the journey, not the destination) IS the game in my mind

[jagged imp]

Thank you!

[kind veldt]

my problem is that one you have a car to cross a desert the other dude just throws you a sandal and says "lmao"

[digital ether]

I read it as them wanting to progress seasons 2.0 without them

[kind veldt]

i read it as finding an alternative way ot allow old characters to play them, not axing the entire concept

[digital ether]

Different interpretations! We'll just have to wait and see!

[spare cove]

I know its not talked about much, but I do hope Weekly Manhunt Scouts stays.

Cuz I'd like to progress the season's story weekly rather than monthly

[cyan narwhal]

scouts yes

[tender wave]

I guess my 'destination' in this analogy would be getting the car at all. But if owning it makes crossing the desert so simple and fast, how many times are you going to bother?

I feel like this analogy will soon get twisted into some very awkward shapes

[spare cove]

Yeah

Analogies do that

[kind veldt]

while it is the beating dead horse argument at this point, ARPGs that have this format tend to have different ways to progress from lv1 by having different classes while this game does not, the variety in builds comes at endgame. Think borderlands but you only unlock skill trees and characters unique gimmicks after beating the campaign is how i see progression in this game

[cyan narwhal]

i really want something they will return to game like lvl 30 weekly bounties. one u have to progress to unlock heroic ones

[kind veldt]

at the same time specs are boring and not deep enough

[unkempt silo]

so are they letting people who don't want seasonal characters to play the new stuff post season 2?

[timber hatch]

I honestly think this game and others like it would benefit from completely removing levels all together, and instead of progression through leveling, it would purely be progression through gear and builds

[tender wave]

Agreed, but they did say they'd significantly speed up the story progression for seasonal characters so that would only be a temporary issue (if they let you boost it would be better though)

I guess it's just only really appealing to longer term players who already have everything maxed, and there's still a significant number of players part way through their grind who understandably don't want to lose that progress

[tiny oar]

levels are fine

its for the story not the endgame

and you can skip that already

[spare cove]

^

[serene rivet]

Just got 2 Exotics out of 1 enemy drop. Is this common?

[tiny oar]

no

[spare cove]

RNGesus was generous today

[kind veldt]

Different designs make different games, the changes needed to make a seasonal characters work on my view are so just huge and impactful that i honestly cant believe they would make them

Creative thinking can make weird combos of games for innovative gameplay, but this feels more like trendchasing at cost of game design instead for me at the end of the day

[north thicket]

Good Morning Everyone Does Anybody know How To fix The Division 2 Sound Bug? As I Have No Sound From Start Up To Game Play!!!!

[spare cove]

#unofficial-troubleshooting

[kind veldt]

I mean i only play to check new content, i worked to get my good gear but i dont feel the need to chase carrot of expertise to max it out or the need to replace a gear that has 14.7% weapon damage with a 15% if i already got a god rolled secondary stat.
They did say they would improve the pace of levelling but making me eat only a bite of a bad sandwich instead of a full one still is making me eat something i dont like in the first place i guess.
Make the road from 1-40 absurdly replayable and i wouldnt complain about it

[spare cove]

We're 2 months away from next season, so it'd be nice if we get a livestream discussing the finer details in the end of this month.

[kind veldt]

new season is september?

i honestly expect them to delay everything to accomodate changes

[spare cove]

Ehhh, I don't think so.

[dark matrix]

I hope not but it might happen

[spare cove]

I'll worry about that when that comes. Not doomposting

[dark matrix]

but speaking of seasons

they drag on too long story-wise, if we had maybe a 5th target sure but eh

[tiny oar]

i just died to a drone cause game wouldnt allow me to aim high enough

roflmao

[spare cove]

Which is why I personally hope weekly manhunt scouts stays in.

Cuz I'd like the story to progress weekly.

[dark matrix]

yeah that part is good, I hope it's more than just a weekly project as the stream implied

though I could remember wrong, I did hear it being described as project

[peak nova]

Love the new announcement.

Always nice when the devs actually care about the playerbase.

[dark matrix]

hmm, yeah but I also think a big part is the backlash

[peak nova]

I mean, part of it has to do with the loss of income that'd come from releasing a hated update.

But still.

[dark matrix]

yeah I think that's the bigger motivator

[spare cove]

Manhunts have also undergone a transformation in Year 6, with the introduction of weekly Scouts that offer engaging activities for seasonal characters. With Scouts, the Manhunt story will now progress weekly instead of monthly, offering an additional activity to engage in without disrupting your Season progression. As always, the Manhunt events will conclude with a new Climax Mission, but with a twist - the introduction of a new difficulty level called Master. The Master difficulty will be available on top of the existing Climax Mission difficulties (Normal through Heroic), providing a challenging gameplay experience tailored for a team of four players.

From the Year 6 roadmap article. Mind you, this was before today's announcement

[peak nova]

Master sounds awesome tbh.

[dark matrix]

yeah I read that but I am talking about the stream specifically, I think some dev talked about it and used the word project

[peak nova]

Since you can't do everything on Legendary, it'd be nice to at least have master for stuff that doesn't have it.

[spare cove]

Oh yeah, I haven't watched that in a while. So I may need to watch it again

[dark matrix]

I will see if I can find, I obviously cannot say for sure yet until I see, but if it's just another weekly project with not much else added, it's still better than the current wait but not exactly as good as I'd want

[peak nova]

I mean.. i kind of prefer the way it's done right now.

[spare cove]

I'm not expecting cutscenes every week. But anything gotta be better than do a target and wait a month for a new one.

[dark matrix]

I get if you don't have time to play weekly, but I feel like 3 weeks or so is too much too

[peak nova]

I mean, i'd rather wait a month and get an epic finale like with the Recruiter.
Not really hyped about giving that up just to finish entire manhunts in a week.

[tender wave]

People have been suggesting for years that they should let us apply player scaling for more players than are actually present, would be such a simple way of increasing difficulty options

[peak nova]

That'd be awesome, didn't the first game have that? Or am i delusional?

[dark matrix]

oh not like entire manhunts, more like some motivation to play weekly for story rather than being able to finish it all in an hour or so

[kind veldt]

Didnt have it as far as i remember

[spare cove]

Didn't have what?

[peak nova]

The ability to scale the difficulty to match a 4-player game, even if you're solo.

[spare cove]

Ah

[kind veldt]

Allowed you to have have Multiplayer scalling when solo

[tender wave]

Diablo II had it, but haven't seen it since then

[peak nova]

Ah, many games have it tbh.

Super nice feature!

[kind veldt]

Most of the time you end up mods allowing that

[tender wave]

Tbf I don't play that many different games

[kind veldt]

Borderlands had mods to allow that

[peak nova]

Whoever suggested I enable the Ubisoft Connect overlay in-game to fix my store, I love you.

I've been without store for 200 hours.

[dark matrix]

@spare cove look for The Division 2 - Year 6 Deep Dive | Ubisoft Forward on youtube, look at around 3:14 and on

they imply it's basically a weekly project

unless I misunderstand something

[peak nova]

Ugh 😭

[kind veldt]

From my understanding it was something like that

[spare cove]

So, kinda like a weekly quest.

[peak nova]

R.I.P Manhunts..

[dark matrix]

yeah but I hope it's not just another project slapped onto the existing UI spot

[peak nova]

I can't be the only one who's got all weekly projects completed on the day of reset, right?

[dark matrix]

I used to but no energy for that nowadays lol

[kind veldt]

I fully expect to be the same as have now, go to zone and repeat some bounties and other minor stuff and get some lore

[peak nova]

Ha! You're old! (This is a joke, don't take this seriously)

[spare cove]

I only do weekly Descent and SHD requisition projects

[dark matrix]

yeah I expect the same but I hope at least maybe an increase in volume of recordings maybe

[spare cove]

And dialogue

[dark matrix]

or just more spread out I guess, idk, as it stands it feels like too long

[spare cove]

Yeah, I saw the video.

[dark matrix]

yeah dialogue too, this season they dropped bounties taking place in mission areas

assuming because it's more of a rushed season since I assume DLC was meant to start now in the timeline

[spare cove]

Yep. If they had more time, they'd have remixed the main missions required to complete the targets.

But here we are, in the hand that's played.

[dark matrix]

it was simple edit but more immersive

and well the story feels dragged on too, what's Keener testing?

we already dismantled his stuff once, what more is needed

if he wants to become a manhunt target again he will learn my trigger finger does no discrimination even shooting Kelso

[spare cove]

He's pissed that we messed up his plans (Which included Lau), so he's testing us so we can redeem ourselves in his eyes

But I think that's a discussion best served in #division-universe

[unique bramble]

Plus we killed like 12 rogue agents of his team.

[spare cove]

And Lau.

[dark matrix]

well I guess but he did little to actually convey we were really on the same team

[dark matrix]

yes, quite a whole bunch

[spare cove]

I do like that Viper called him out about that in the comms from last season.

If he wasn't such a jerk, he wouldn't need this whole cloak and daggers nonsense

[rigid wedge]

So seasonal characters isn't axed but we are getting changes and they finally listened. Thank god.

[tiny oar]

he has to be like that otherwise there would be no plot lol

[spare cove]

I'm pretty sure Youtubers will make videos about it, saying seasonal characters are gonna be removed xD

[spare cove]

I know, which is why I love him.

He's such a jerk (affectionate)

[tiny oar]

haha true

[dark matrix]

me too, can't wait to fill him full of bullets, in an affectionate way

[tiny oar]

also i know kelso didnt betray us

[unique bramble]

And a war criminal who made a biochemical weapon

[tender wave]

Agent's love language is bullets

[tiny oar]

or a good old sticky

[spare cove]

Prediction: We'll get ANNA in the climax mission and we'll ally with Keener against Black Tusk and the Hunters

[tiny oar]

and then keener backstab us again

as he should

keener betraying anyone = nature is healing

[shrewd cosmos]

What was the complaint about season 2 that led to this announcement?

[tiny oar]

nobody wanted to play on a new character

[spare cove]

Seasonal characters

[shrewd cosmos]

Oh

Ok thank you

[unique bramble]

Keener: do you have the mobile SHD server?
Kelso: we got it Keener!
Keener: good, that's one less loose end.
Gunshot sound effects

[shrewd cosmos]

Oh geez, do you start at level 1 with all story missions?

[tiny oar]

no

[small spear]

SHEPHERD!!

[spare cove]

Exactly, even if some people are adamant that being red watch agent means bad guy

[tiny oar]

it was meant for only seasonal content and then they gone

[umbral hearth]

im convinced shes just doing what faye was seemingly doing, going behind enemy lines to attempt to dismantle them from within and learn what theyre planning

[tiny oar]

nah, keener executed agents in div 1 long before that

[unique bramble]

Except that she joined BT because she thought that the division alone wasn't enough to stop Keener and when she discovered he is alive, she agreed to help him against sokolova. So nobody is loyal to any faction after all.

[spare cove]

This is a shitpost, but I think after learning about Cal and Nat's intentions, Keener had a change of heart

[tiny oar]

or he just saw he could do what they did

keener was always power hungry

[spare cove]

I 100% expect he'll backstab us after Cal and Nat are out of the picture

[tiny oar]

as he should

[spare cove]

But for now, let me entertain the thought of allying with him against Black Tusk.

[tiny oar]

oh im not worried about that

btw is kenly worth doing on heroic or should i just not bother and go on normal ?

[tropic hazel]

https://youtu.be/_9WBuMZsUbc

[spare cove]

Yeah, we already knew

And cue the Youtubers clickbaits

[unique bramble]

And of course it's kamiscum kamikaze the first one to post about it

[hard ivy]

How fast can one get busy little be?

[tropic sentinel]

Depends on your luck stat.

[tender wave]

If you're extremely lucky, under 30s (assuming you haven't already done the weekly shd donation project)

[alpine gale]

we have decided to not add another 999999 bugs and 9999yrs downtime so we have removed season characters lol

all that work they did wasted

[tropic sentinel]

I mean they will still do same thing, you will just be able to use normal char.

[still laurel]

I’ve just reached World Tier 5 in Division 1 and I believe I’ve done all of the in game missions. Should I now start playing Division 2 ?

[zinc shadow]

there’s still Underground, Survival, Resistance, Incursions and DZ North to check out

[unique bramble]

If you are willing to pay because it's DLCs

[still laurel]

Says they are all Offline. I guess that’s because I don’t have the DLC right ?

[unique bramble]

Yup

[zinc shadow]

yea

[still laurel]

Fair enough, well I’ll still keep Div 1 on my hard drive and eventually get the DLC when it’s on sale

[unique bramble]

Sale on an eight years old game DLC on PSN is kinda hard to have.

[still laurel]

You’d be surprised, tbh I thought I already had the DLC for it but that must be for Div 2 instead

[unique bramble]

I assume you're playing the div1 for free on PS plus extra catalog right? Or you just bought the base version of the game?

[still laurel]

Yes to the first part. I don’t own the base version

[unique bramble]

Yeah, unfortunately sony doesn't want you to have the DLCs for free of their games catalog

[still laurel]

Yep, I’ve complained about this for a long time for various games before

I’m going to dip my toe into Div 2. Any advice for a noob ?

[spare cove]

Get to level 40 if you're not there. Once you do, focus on making a DPS build

[unique bramble]

And do secondary missions to get some weapon mods, unlike the div1 your weapon mods doesn't have a separated inventory at all, but you can equip the same attachment to multiple weapons at once.

[still laurel]

Ok thanks for the tips

[tender wave]

Check out the friend referral program, extra rewards and someone will help you out a bit (see #td2-friend-referral )

[tiny oar]

cmon automod

leave me alone already

[tough parcel]

Why is my game buggin when in countdown?

[craggy marten]

anyone know why the weekly project clan didnt work?

[spare cove]

Did you play Countdown without finishing WONY campaign?

[tough parcel]

Yeah

Do I really gotta finish that

[spare cove]

Yes. That's your best workaround this issue

[tiny oar]

i tried to do some kenly today

people dont know anything about puzzles it seem

[spare cove]

Yep

Haven't played Kenly for a while, so I wouldn't mind playing with ya if you want to.

[tiny oar]

sure

[wise basalt]

doesn't WH increase RoF also?

[real creek]

No.

[wise basalt]

so beside acc, stab, and reload speed, what's the 4th stat?

[thorn cape]

Seasonl characters are getting a reword what are yalls opinions?

[real creek]

Swap speed

[spare cove]

Good, I guess? I dunno, I feel like releasing a PTS with seasons 2.0 would be a good way to gauge my opinion on seasonal characters

[thorn cape]

They didn't say they where gonna scrap the idea just rework it so they will probably change that u could only do season on that characters they could still do it

[spare cove]

Yeah, tell that to the youtubers xD

[kind veldt]

we had an whole speculative debate

hours later someone jsut drops random youtuber all caps "SEASONAL CHARACTERS GONE?!?!?!?!?!" clickbait

[spare cove]

Gotta love the baits 😛

[real creek]

Just stop watching them this.

[unique bramble]

Just like when they planned to REWORK the specializations and they ended not doing it at all.

[spare cove]

Ok?

[kind veldt]

well that one was in favour of doing something else (apparently seasons 2.0) and that change was not motivated by community but by themselves

the change in the seasonal character stuff is 100% due community

[spare cove]

Something tells me even if they reworked the specializations, players would still not use the spec weapons.

[glad salmon]

Leave it to the community to cry something out of existence before we even get a chance with it.

[spare cove]

Don't you think maybe adding a new system that requires you to play a new character from scratch for every season would be met with negative feedback? Especially when the game itself is 5 years old?

[glad salmon]

Nah. Because every season now is the same character with the same build and same content.

We should at least have the option to check it out.

[kind veldt]

i mean if someone said they were going to punch me, having the choice of not getting punched seems pretty obvious

they didnt say they scrapped everything

[spare cove]

I still think we're gonna have seasonal characters, but optional

Would be nice if the team would do a livestream next week or so to clarify, cuz some people are jumping to conclusions.

[kind veldt]

so it's wait and see

not "we are rolling everything and completely ignore feedback"

[elfin hazel]

thats what I'm sayin

[narrow dawn]

Can any help me with the pentco mission dkwtd

[supple niche]

Is it known when TU 21.2 is coming?

[kind veldt]

if there's nothing on #news-and-announcements then no

[modest lintel]

good they scrap seasonal character

[supple niche]

Oh ok the bugs are just annoying I hope they are fixed soon

[spare cove]

See, this is why devs need to clarify. Cuz some people are convinced that the team is completely ditching the entire model.

[timber hatch]

They've had terrible communication from the very first announcement of seasonal characters all the way through today...

[modest lintel]

In engrish " progressing without them" mean ditching

in engrish, without = in absence of

[tough parcel]

What's good attributes for the st elmos engine?

[spare cove]

That doesn't necessarily mean they're gonna ditch seasons 2.0 completely.

Maybe, just maybe, they're gonna make seasonal characters optional rather than mandatory

[lunar hare]

DTOC

[unique bramble]

What about English?

[broken solstice]

i dont get the vibe that they are not going to try some iteration of seasonal characters. just seems like they're trying not to punish people who dont want to play seasonal characters. ppl like to condense all information into its simplest form bc it makes life easier i guess?

[modest lintel]

that's when u learn engrish

[spare cove]

Sorry, I only speak English

[spare cove]

Or jumping to conclusions.

[modest lintel]

conklusion

[timber hatch]

So are you just misspelling that as to intentionally come off as a slur?

[broken solstice]

yes thats a big one

[elfin hazel]

will not impact previously announced plans sounds pretty clear to me that year 6 is still seasons 2.0

[fair lake]

If you want seasonal reset system to work well - you need to implement it from the beginning of the life cycle of the game. Doing it in the end - just slapping a final nail in the coffin

[modest lintel]

i no understand

[spare cove]

Wouldn't be surprised if Seasons 2.0 is a testbed for Division 3.

[elfin hazel]

I would considering star wars isn't out yet

[modest lintel]

star wars the game?

[spare cove]

Star Wars Outlaws

[modest lintel]

star wars outlaws or AC:shadows?

[spare cove]

Outlaws

[tropic sentinel]

Neither.

[wispy burrow]

Neither lol

[modest lintel]

ok i wont buy any and just keep playing div 2

[fair lake]

Imagine how happy all players will be to start every season from scratch 💀

[spare cove]

Hmmm

[shell ferry]

an yone able to help me get st elmos?

[kind veldt]

if game is already designed around that it can work

problem is shoving that when all other systems are about long term grinding

[spare cove]

You need to grind Countdown with ARs as targeted loot.

[shell ferry]

at what level cause ill be solo

[spare cove]

You need to be 40 before getting it

[shell ferry]

hawk i meant what kill level

my bad

[spare cove]

I don't know what kill level is. What you need to know is that Elmo is an exotic, so your chances of getting it is rare.

So you should try your luck in Countdown mode with ARs as targeted loot.

[shell ferry]

hawk i meant skill level god i cant type. do i do it on normal?

[lunar hare]

It is not recommended to run CD solo as multiple tasks need to be made depending on the encounter and main mission.

[kind veldt]

any activity can drop, difficulty increases odds and the the base stats it can roll

[shell ferry]

so just matchmake?

[kind veldt]

just matchmake for countdown on challenging, stay close to the biggest group and have targetted loot set to AR

that's it, dont overthink it

it's not a guarantee just the fastest way to get any exotic

[shell ferry]

got it

[lunar hare]

(any non raid)

just adding

[kind veldt]

i mean big horn is exclusive non raid, got you now

[shell ferry]

jesus there is no one looking to do challenging countdown

[lunar hare]

just wait.

[real creek]

idk I've seen others have that MM bug for countdown.

[kind veldt]

it's the game mode with fastest matchmaking so i highly doubt it there is no one

[tender wave]

if it's just not finding anyone then try logging off & on again, apparently it can bug out

[unreal jolt]

Last time I played was when Descent/xmas came around. Anything new after that?

[spare cove]

An incursion and a Like Glue shotgun, my favorite shotgun atm.

[broken solstice]

brazen isnt increasing my damage anymore. its steady shot after shot. wasnt it supposed to increase based on how many pellets hit or whatever?

[small spear]

if you keep landing 8 pellets over and over its damage wouldn't increase yeah

[broken solstice]

oh yeah makes sense

[small spear]

because you keep getting the 24% amp over and over. it doesn't stack on top of each other if that's what you're asking

but it is 24% more than your original damage

[spare cove]

I'm a little confused about amplified dmg and multiplicative dmg. Is there a post that explains them?

[small spear]

no but tl;dr

a buff saying it gives "amplified damage" means it gives a multiplier that tacks on top of your original damage (so say glass cannon giving 25% amplified damage to you means you take your damage without GC and multiply it by 1.25 to get your buffed damage)

"multiplicative damage" is used to describe a multiplier, so there are many multipliers in this game: base damage, weapon damage, total weapon damage, etc. all of these are said to be "multiplicative" because all of these multipliers multiply off each other

[mossy sonnet]

Did the devs cancel the returning/new players seasonal char thing?

[spare cove]

No, they're re-iterating on the concept

[mossy sonnet]

Re-iterating what?

[spare cove]

The seasonal characters.

[tender wave]

each damage type is additive to other sources of the same type, but multiplicative with sources of different types (except crit damage and headshot damage, which are additive with each other)

[mossy sonnet]

It's a catchup mechanic for new/returning players with some extra stuff vets can play with. What are they changing?

[spare cove]

The problem that you could only get new gear and progress the story with a seasonal character.

So, they're heavily moving towards into allowing main characters to progress in Seasons 2.0

[mossy sonnet]

So just increase rates on legacy server to match seasonal?

It doesn't affect seasonal chars. The gearing would just be diff.

[small spear]

i've said time and time again that "multiplicative damage" is a very misleading term to use on its own, because you always have to say something is multiplicative to another thing. people frequently omit the last part

[spare cove]

I dunno. All I know is that the sooner the devs clarify what they're changing for seasons 2.0, the better

[mossy sonnet]

The catchup for new/returning players needs to happen and it needs to be a BIG booster. They nerfed SHD requirements down some and that helped. It's not enough. The Expertise farm is not reasonable for normal players either.

[spare cove]

Cuz I feel like I'm going insane with all the responses to the news saying they're fully removing seasons 2.0

[mossy sonnet]

I love the content they put into the game generally. But, the expertise/SHD level boosts need a significant nerf to be reasonable.

[spare cove]

To me, Expertise is more of a long term goal than rush into it.

[livid sail]

who is trying to play?

[mossy sonnet]

Then it needs to be reworked so that it doesnt affect stats

[small spear]

what do you mean by that

if it doesn't affect stats then it doesn't affect character power in any way which defeats the purpose

[shell ferry]

one exotic cache from countdown vendor thank you Hawk

[mossy sonnet]

Does expertise work in the DZ vs players?

[small spear]

yes

[mossy sonnet]

remove that

[small spear]

but not in conflict

[shell ferry]

@spare cove you da man

[spare cove]

You're welcome

[small spear]

seems like they intend to leave it on for dz

[shell ferry]

how do you start doing expertise?

[mossy sonnet]

If they want to keep the same base that they have then leave it as is.

It deters players from joining or returning that are behind and most players can't play enough to catch up in a reasonable amount of time.

[tiny oar]

yeah expertise in dz is really unfair

[spare cove]

DZ PvP gameplay loop has always seemed to be like "Whoever has the better buid wins".

At least, that's how I see it.

[tiny oar]

thats why dz is empty

[mossy sonnet]

I get what it does and why hardcore players like it. But, it's not rational if you want to gain players

[tiny oar]

i mean i get the thing about buiding better

but you cant juste gatekeep that hard

[mossy sonnet]

I can walk into DZ with a mid build and roll anyone that isn't 20% expertise or above

[spare cove]

Leveling up your weapons, gear, skills, and spec weapons.

[mossy sonnet]

if you're at expertise 5 and you fight me, you're dead before you even know what happened

it's not a fair mechanic for pvp

[tiny oar]

i mean, the problem wouldnt be so bad if half the gear wasnt gatekeep behind pvp

[mossy sonnet]

If they leave it in PVE, it's w/e. But, in pvp it's not rational to leave in place. Unless you make it significantly easier to obtain.

[tiny oar]

we are forced to die to max gear max expertise players just to try to get some gear

you cant tell people "build better to go dz" when the builds are locked behind dz in the first place

[mossy sonnet]

They left it out of conflict which is cool. But, conflict isn't gear farming the DZ. They would've been better off leaving it in conflict and removing it from DZ. It shouldn't be in either really. But, DZ is more important than conflict.

Well, at least to me. I can't speak for everyone.

and I 100% understand people who farmed it going 'WTF? I worked so hard and now you're just basically giving people max expertise!'. I understand that sucks. But, if they want more people to play and one of the biggest(If not the biggest) deterrent is people being so far behind..it's a necessary change.

[timber hatch]

Builds make far more of a difference than experience does

[spare cove]

I don't know if they have resources to work on a new DZ for Brooklyn DLC.

But I do hope they go back to big DZ for Division 3.

[mossy sonnet]

If they don't, then they'd just leave it in place.

@timber hatch If I have 20% more everything than you, my build would have to be fairly bad to lose that fight

I'm not talking about walking around in purple gear. No one has 'horrible builds' now.

[timber hatch]

Except it's not +20% everything, that's not the actual impact

[small spear]

yeah it's only 20% more weapon damage

[mossy sonnet]

Add SHD levels

[tiny oar]

its 20% more armor tho

[small spear]

still not 20% more

base armor only

[mossy sonnet]

I don't think you're seeing my point

[small spear]

shd levels don't matter because health is capped at 2k shd

[mossy sonnet]

Ok i have level 3 SHD

'Go level and get more'

[small spear]

i mean if you expect a lv 3 shd to die because he had just a little less health

there's something bigger to worry about than health

[mossy sonnet]

You're trying to say skill>expertise/shd. That's accurate if one can play and the other is some crippled guy who can't aim

If the fight is even and I have 20% more dmg than you and all of the SHD levels

You are dead and nothing you can do about it unless the fight becomes unfair.

[timber hatch]

It's literally not a 20% damage increase

[mossy sonnet]

I dont care. Not the point I was making. You're trying to talk specific %'s.

[tiny oar]

yeah, tbh even as full dps i could shoot at rogues for like 10s straight and not make a dent in their armor

[mossy sonnet]

I'm saying REMOVE ALL of the percentages from DZ.

People don't want to give up their advantages in DZ. I understand it too. I have that advantage in DZ. But, we need more people for the community. It helps out DZ experience. It helps our queues. It helps our game, overall.

[tiny oar]

yeah you gotta make a choice, please the hardcore, or bring in new players

[mossy sonnet]

If they give the noobs expertise/shd 80% easier than I had it, great. I'll have more people to play with and they can't go any higher than I am.

That's the entire point.

[timber hatch]

I have zero love for the experience system, I'm not defending it's existence. Just trying to point out the claims your making about the actual effect/difference it makes is meaningfully off

[real creek]

Expertise**

[tiny oar]

there is many more problems wihth dz anyway

[mossy sonnet]

Expertise XP needs to be drastically increased. SHD levels could even use another nerf. Seasonal chars are a chance to boost the piss out of new/returning players. Let vets in the servers too. Disable all SHD/Expertise in the DZ, period. If expertise/shd becomes easier to obtain then allow it in ALL instances. (DZ inlcuded) But, it has to be obtainable by new/returning players signficantly quicker.,

[tiny oar]

the gear gatekeep in the first place

[timber hatch]

Momento/memento

[mossy sonnet]

If you don't want to make it easier to get then remove it from DZ, period. On all servers.

[small spear]

rouge

[real creek]

Unionized/unionized

[spare cove]

And most importantly, 3 small zones instead of one big zone.

[tiny oar]

the size doesnt matter

thats what my gf says anyway

[spare cove]

Oi, phrasing

[real creek]

She told me the same.

[tiny oar]

the dz shouldnt gatekeep people from getting a build imo

dz being faster farm/drop/xp/etc is all good

but if someone hates pvp they shouldnt be forced to get there

i really dont understand why they did that

[real creek]

They should make a grey zone where you have to wear all grey gear.

[spare cove]

How about a zone where we all give kissies?

[unique bramble]

Well, if they want DZ exclusive items, they could go there or spend hours and hours on descent for the blueprints.

[tiny oar]

decent doesnt have all blueprint tho ?

[real creek]

Now it's got me thinking, how long would it take to kill someone in a grey gear vs grey gear fight.

[tiny oar]

i would still lose cause i cant aim

[small spear]

cough cough descent

[mossy sonnet]

Decent is flawed and annoying to farm. I didn't care for that game mode at all. Putting for instance the meta PVP Backpack BP in there is just torturing players trying to get it. You can get it on a low chance from a named cache. But, it's the actual pack and not the BP. So, you prob get bad roll too.

[timber hatch]

I think TTK would be pretty low.

We could test it out though lol

[real moth]

They should also introduce other ways to get those blueprints imo. I just hate descent

[timber hatch]

That's just another way to farm it though. The original way has never changed, which is farming for it in the dz. So now we have both a pvp and pve option.

[spare cove]

Is there anybody who actually doesn't hate Descent?

[tiny oar]

not really

[mossy sonnet]

Yea people that don't have it have fun trying to face trade in the DZ. 😄

[unique bramble]

Me

[tiny oar]

descent specifically says "idc what you farm, you aint the same as outside"

which defeat the purpose of farming to get better at pve to get pvp blueprints

[timber hatch]

I mean, imo it's very overrated lol, it's far from necessary

[real moth]

Idk, but I got my dz exclusives from named caches, so in a way I pve farmed for them

[mossy sonnet]

Every item in DZ should be in the LZ too

[tiny oar]

ye

[mossy sonnet]

DZ should have significant drop rates. That's the best reason to farm

[tiny oar]

dz should be the best farm in the game period

[mossy sonnet]

Hands down

[tiny oar]

but shouldnt be mandatory

[full zinc]

Expertise already too easy... plus they made it cost 30% of the original costs for upgrades

[mossy sonnet]

Expertise should take no more than about 20-30 hours of game play to max

[spare cove]

If playing looter shooters taught me anything, its that when players get the loot that they want when farming, they're happy.

[full zinc]

That's not how endgame grind works

[unique bramble]

20 exotic components after expertise 20 was crazy

[mossy sonnet]

It got framed as some super end game goal. But, if you do that you have to disable in it PVP completely

If you want new/returning players to leave the game or refuse to play, that's the mechanic you put in place.

[full zinc]

I agree with disabling it in dz/any pvp

[mossy sonnet]

Any PVP it should be gone OR they could just buff the piss out of the XP required to get it

[full zinc]

Pvp is a very small part of the game tbf tho

[tiny oar]

having endless farm to get stronger is ok, people want something to farm, but for pvp thats very different

[mossy sonnet]

The 2nd one will piss off people. The first one will too. But, the first is more justified.

[tiny oar]

but mandatory atm to get some gear

[unique bramble]

This might be possible since they already removed expertise on conflict mode

[spare cove]

My biggest hot take about PvP is that you will never ever have a balanced PvP in looter shooter games

[full zinc]

No. You never have to dz and can get all gear from other sources

[mossy sonnet]

The #1 thing with PVP in ANY GAME is balance. Hawk is right, though. You can never fully balance PVP in a shooter. BUT, a system like expertise boosts unbalanced gameplay significantly.

[tiny oar]

how ?

if i want dz gear ?

[full zinc]

That's the best option and then nobody gives a shit about expertise after that.

[tiny oar]

what do i do

[mossy sonnet]

Locking things behind descent wasn't a good idea either.

[tiny oar]

descent might be worse than pvp tbh

[full zinc]

Named caches, legacy caches

[mossy sonnet]

Bc people don't like descent

It's making people do things they hate to get BP's to go do som else

That's not a good design. 😄

[tiny oar]

its not named, and legacy caches dont give all gear ?

yeah descent is really bad

the concept is great but the execution is horrendous

[mossy sonnet]

I always thought a good system for BP's would be tying ALL BP's to CP4's and splitting them so you could target certain CP's for certain BP's.

Maybe that's bland IDK. But, I liked it.

[elfin hazel]

red storm basically vanished after trying this again 💀

[full zinc]

Its not.mandetory to have yaahl. Up until recently that was available sometimes at clan vendor.
Named caches drop all the named dz items.
System corruption drops from legacy caches

[unique bramble]

Exactly, or maybe it was too much for the devs to make a survival 2.0 for the division 2

[full zinc]

Hollow man also drops from named, so can still get yaahl

[elfin hazel]

it went over horribly for div1 and the reaction to them even suggesting the same thing for div2 made them not do it

[spare cove]

Survival is very overrated

[elfin hazel]

thats what I'm sayin

[mossy sonnet]

Survival in Division 1 was the most fun I've ever had in a game.

We used to fight in there for hours in the PVP survival. I could even do PVE survival for hours. It was fun to do.

[full zinc]

Survival was kinda battleroyale before pubg/fortnight

[mossy sonnet]

No instance was the same. Especially if you went in PVP

[unique bramble]

Do you prefer an "escape from tarkov" style mode or a "rogue like but bad" mode?

[mossy sonnet]

Having pistol fights in the streets bc none of us had guns yet then some noob rolls up with a green Police M4 and kills us all

😄

[elfin hazel]

I will take roguelike to the day I die and into the after life brah

[tiny oar]

"sometimes"

so its dz AND time gated

like the worst

[mossy sonnet]

Tbh I think conflict is GREATLY underused. If we added more value to the rewards from it, it would be a blast to play even for noobs with crappy builds.

[full zinc]

1pc bonus can be achieved with hollowman mask which drops from named caches and sometimes on sale at cd vendor

[mossy sonnet]

Boost the XP per game through the roof, throw like 3 more caches per game, add an exotic cache for every 3 wins daily or som

Idk..som like that. But, conflict is fun. It's just not very rewarding

[merry zinc]

they need to fix the gamemode first it sucks

[elfin hazel]

conflict has always felt jarring to even be in the game I don't see increasing rewards changing how people think about it

[tiny oar]

yeah, but again, its a band aid

[kind veldt]

Surprised how survival hit thr extraction shooters before it was a big thing

[mossy sonnet]

Fine take a Decent room or 2, turn it into a free for all, add it as a mode in conflict, and let us all walk out diff doors into the area and have a giant paintball war with 5.56 and 7.62

[full zinc]

Still dont need to touch dz

[elfin hazel]

div pvp has such a negative initial thought to most people because a lot of the time its just pubstomping the experience for most people

[tiny oar]

nah man, be real, its like saying in dz you can get shd 1k in 2min but it would take 20y outside

[spare cove]

Well, goodie for you. I kinda began to hate it when people treat Survival like its the greatest thing since sliced bread

[elfin hazel]

I honestly think conflict should have never been in the game in the first place it just always seems like such a time sink for balancing

[elfin hazel]

I've been saying this !!

[tiny oar]

survival was great but not the best thing in the world for sure

[fiery cloud]

Hey .drb

[mossy sonnet]

"Fine take a Decent room or 2, turn it into a free for all, add it as a mode in conflict, and let us all walk out diff doors into the area and have a giant paintball war with 5.56 and 7.62" < Best idea I've had today aside from the expertise changes 😄

[elfin hazel]

[tiny oar]

it had problems too

[spare cove]

It's like I was saying, PvP will never ever be balanced nor competitive in a looter shooter game.

[merry zinc]

i think conflict is a good outlet for casual pvp players

for anyone that cares about pvp it’s not playable

[fiery cloud]

OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHJ HE SAID HEY BACK FINALY😱😱😱😱😱😱

[kind veldt]

A moment to remember

[elfin hazel]

with how people treat div1 you'd think its the best game ever thats unplayable now when its just like you could just go play survival or underground right now with nothing stopping you

[unique bramble]

Well PvP mode on non PvP games almost never works as intended. The last of us factions is a good example of that

[elfin hazel]

you can go have those experiences still without having the sequel being a carbon copy!

[tiny oar]

div 1 is still good but game is dead now

[kind veldt]

Are we getting people on div3 release making petitions for kenly and summit?

[spare cove]

If Div1 was a person, they'd worship the ground they walk in

[fiery cloud]

Div 1 is fine I play it all the time

[mossy sonnet]

I play PVP in Division and destiny both atm. Neither are balanced. Adding expertise into the PVP modes just made it worse.

[tiny oar]

ok WHAT ABOUT

[elfin hazel]

my div2 hot take 4today I don't think kenley is anywhere remotely as bad as people make it out to be and it is quite good ☺

[tiny oar]

expertise allowed in invaded dz, not normal dz

[worthy onyx]

It's a looter shooter pvpve, it's not supposed to be competitive or balanced, it's in the same line as tarkov

[kind veldt]

Well kenly is a lot like summit, ultra rushed and bugged on release missing features

[tiny oar]

i like kenly

but oh boy how people are so bad at it its insane

[unique bramble]

I mean, why open kenly only once or twice per season instead of just keep it open

[tiny oar]

idk

[mossy sonnet]

If it's unbalanced, less people play it. Expertise is too time consuming to max out to allow it to be in any PVP mode. It deters players and that's not a good thing in any game. SHD even with the recent caps/nerfs still deters players. Removing those from PVP would help, some. But, most players are PVE in Div2. That's why I said they significantly reduce the time it takes to max both(Up to the stat caps)

[tiny oar]

i think they should keep kenly open all the time imo

[spare cove]

^

[full zinc]

Your milage may vary... I've got 2 undiscovered dz, probably no more that 30mins in dz total, never extracted anything, and have all the worthwhile dz exclusives.
I guess time is on my side at like 6600ish hours... it's possible to never touch dz and have solid builds of any type...🥱

[spare cove]

It's not like players would be aware of Kenly being open during the Manhunt target week.

[mossy sonnet]

I did kenly once and never went back. I don't even remember what it is. 😄

[tiny oar]

yeah thats the pb i highlited in my message, i got 500h and i got nothing, see how insanely terminally online you gotta be ? and thats not even talking about rolls

[spare cove]

I only played Kenly once for the story

[worthy onyx]

There is quite a decent market for the looter shooter pvpve genre, if every game was made to be diluted for the largest common denominator, every game would be the same

[merry zinc]

i’m so interested what do you do in game to end up with that many hours?? i can’t think of anything that would be worth grinding besides speedrunning

[elfin hazel]

even in the most unbalanced games where its not a priority to be balanced theres still balancing done because games need balancing regardless of what genre or audience its going for

[full zinc]

No. Just means you gotta work smarter, not harder...

[mossy sonnet]

That just sounds like a fancy way of saying 'I don't care if more people would play. I want it this way.' 😄

[unique bramble]

I only did kenly because of the diamondback (that was when I started to play the game, for me, every exotic wasn't bad 🤡)

[kind veldt]

I mean some people love kusoges because the jank and ubalanced mess adds a charm, of course those games dont claim to be balanced or high end products

[tiny oar]

bro, its a game, not my work, i play to have fun, not to maximise the loot, a bit of both is fine, only 1 isnt

[kind veldt]

I should chekc my play time

[spare cove]

Yeah, when I play games, I wanna have fun. Not treat it like a second job.

[spare cove]

I'm currently 767 hours

[kind veldt]

1180h

[worthy onyx]

Well yea, there are plenty of other games to play competitively balanced matches, even div has conflict, not everything has to be the same

[elfin hazel]

2161 👴

1775 on ubicon 386 on steam

[spare cove]

I'll admit, I didn't buy Div2 on Steam cuz I didn't see the point when I already have the game on Ubiconnect

[kind veldt]

I mean is paying again for something you have

[tiny oar]

all of y'all need to touch some grass i think 🌿

[kind veldt]

I only play when there is new content

[spare cove]

If I had 3k hours, I would

[elfin hazel]

I only really bought it on steam cus it was on sale when it launched and IIRC wanted to check something for the discord

[kind veldt]

Only played abit on season start and again on the new target

[tiny oar]

i wish there was a sale for the year 1 pass

[full zinc]

That's not really the point. Regardless what you do in game it is repetitive.
Focusing the time spent to maximize what that effort accomplishes isnt making is a second job... its using the same time you would've spent but getting more back... aka working smarter, not harder 🤦‍♂️.

[kind veldt]

Its 1k hours over 6 years

[elfin hazel]

most of my hours are from pre WoNY up to like season 3 of WoNY past that I've been breaking hard

[keen birch]

any vendors selling soklov or grupo sombra?

[unique bramble]

That's why I brought an artificial grass sample, so I can "touch grass" and play my game

[kind veldt]

Well i touch it when watering my plants everyday

[tiny oar]

man, you're asking too much, i cant play 6k hours on any game ever

whatever the game is

[spare cove]

Looks like they've added the missing ammo bug in the trello board

[keen birch]

did the fix the crafting glitch?

[spare cove]

Yes

[tiny oar]

yes

[elfin hazel]

3753h and 27m in fortnite

which I think makes it my most played game

[kind veldt]

And you are not being forced to, people who go extra mile for stuff have more play time

I think its siege than payday 2

[tiny oar]

yeah but then dont lock gear

[worthy onyx]

Yea, the bigger issue is why do you play a game if it makes you feel like doing a second job, there are plenty of people who find opitimizing gear to be fun

[elfin hazel]

same here but tf2 is ahead of siege followed by pd2

[tiny oar]

did someone say titanfall 2 ? 👀

[unique bramble]

You mean team fortress 2 or Titanfall 2?

[elfin hazel]

fortress

[kind veldt]

At what point the challenge is too much and what point it feels like they are just giving you everything for free with no challenge varies from person to person

[elfin hazel]

I still need to play titan fall

[tiny oar]

team fortress 2 doesnt exist you must be mistaken

[tiny oar]

often on sales at like 3$, maybe the best shooter of the decade

[worthy onyx]

I mean, fundamentally, if game fun = play, if not = don't play. It's not that complicated.

[unique bramble]

Take your pills pilot agent

[tiny oar]

NO

YOU4LL NEVER CATCH ME

I4LL GET TITANFALL 3 SOON

[elfin hazel]

500 more years of apex legends

[spare cove]

😔

[tiny oar]

come on automod

u nasty

[full zinc]

Not asking anything bro... feel free to farm gear in the dz and complain about the experience... my whole point was you didnt have to dz... I'm just gonna let this go at this point as it's just back and forth bs over a non issue 🍻

[tiny oar]

new bug : armor kit doesnt give armor anymore

ah descent, what a great mode to playw ith no armor

[fair solar]

It's been like that from the jump unfortunately

[humble epoch]

Did we win the war against seasonal characters?

[lunar hare]

No, just miscommunication from the devs in that announcement

[unique bramble]

It's not a bug, it's a nostalgic feature to remember the lack of armor in the div1

[spare cove]

Ehh, somewhat. They're not completely removing Seasons 2.0

It's likely they're making seasonal characters optional rather than mandatory

[hybrid ore]

Note: let's wait for the official announcement. Because right now what we know is "maybe" and "could be".

[humble epoch]

Amen. I don't care as long as I can play the season with my character

[humble epoch]

Yes, I must agree. But I hope the best with this news

If the season characters still remain, but something that is not mandatory but rather to help new players level up faster and reach the endgame in less time

[kind veldt]

well they said that seasonal characters would level up faster

[hybrid ore]

"3x faster" if the math holds up.

[novel laurel]

It's already faster rn, kill xp is doubled on characters that don't have wony done lol

[umbral hearth]

who voices keener?

[hybrid ore]

John Hopkins, british screen/VA.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0394204/

[umbral hearth]

oh he looks so much like keener good lord

guess thats intentional

[hybrid ore]

It ties in to my theory of why they brought back Keener: multi-media tie ins.
I highly recommend the actual actor in live-action stuff,

[umbral hearth]

hes just so awesome at what he does

[kind veldt]

oh yeah that movie existed

was it a netflix thing now i think

[spare cove]

Yes, but we haven't heard anything about it. So I assume it's cancelled or in development hell

[hybrid ore]

I assume after Assassins Creed didn't exactly....do well, that it's on the backburner for now.

[umbral hearth]

imo, really enjoyed the assassins creed movie

i understand its flaws but its one of those movies thats so bad you kinda love it

[tiny oar]

yeah but its still bad

and doesnt bring money

and if ubi cares about something

its money xd

[spare cove]

And in a capitalist society, money talks

[tiny oar]

i stg automod hates me

cant even say the f word

cause f capitalism

[lunar hare]

this is a recent update 😔

[lapis junco]

You could never use the word they use probably a million times in game

[kind veldt]

dunno man i love fudge and they dont censor me for it

[proper spindle]

hey can somebody please tell me whats one of the better ways to level up from level 30 to 40?

[lunar hare]

-DZ landmarks if solo
-If you can get carried by a lvl40 thru Lincoln Memorial
-Invaded Missions

[proper spindle]

guess im doing DZ landmarks then cause Im socially awkward

ty

[proper spindle]

whats the best DZ to farm for levels?

[lapis junco]

south

[lunar hare]

I think East has more but South is smaller

[proper spindle]

hopefully im not about to get absolutely destroyed, thank you again

oh and last one, out of 3 starter specializations, which one would be the best in your opinion?

sorry, I just finished the story hence why ton of questions

[kind veldt]

sharpshooter if oyu like sniping, otherwise survivalist and demo are kinda meh

[proper spindle]

guess ima begin liking sniping then

[proper spindle]

sorry for another one but which one should I get for PVE

firewall, gunner, tech?

[kind veldt]

if you want to use skills go tech foe free skill tier

otherwise both gunner and firewall are pretty decent

if you like being close range, then firewall if not then gunner

[proper spindle]

alright ok thats all (finally, sorry for the hassle)

[lunar hare]

dz 30-39 is almost empty, so you'll have no problem, if you encounter someone or a group they just chill and may do activities together if you want to

[proper spindle]

what are the odds I get eaglebearer :trol: (0%)

anyways thanks chat

ima get to level 40 then annoy my friend by helping him in missions

then somehow try to get ouroboros which will DEFINITELY not be fun.

[halcyon fjord]

Can someone plz boost me on summit to floor 90

Just to get check point then dip

@ me

[lunar hare]

At DZ 0.007-ish
And iirc in DH around 7-10%

[lapis junco]

thought it was 0.0024

[lunar hare]

something like that yeah

[lapis junco]

basically none existent

[lunar hare]

lmao

[proper spindle]

wait is that from bosses or from crate only?

[lunar hare]

Crate

[proper spindle]

aw.

is it 1% from bosses?

[lunar hare]

I think so, I'll send the chart in #ask-td2-community

[proper spindle]

I did not realize that channel existed 💀

[exotic echo]

Mhh small things that need some fix...since TU21 - 6 years update, some sound and sfx kind of disappeared for LMG and some semi auto rifle.

[vast aspen]

I played through The Division 1 and damn that game has horrible difficulty curves, The Division 2 is miles ahead in that aspect, though the story is better there

[spare cove]

Sure

[torpid tendon]

Tbh, sometimes I prefer div1 over div2. The only 3 things that I actually hate fom div 1 is the
-hit kill melee on legendary difficulty
-no target loot system
-build variety...

If you don't have a full classy build you'll suffer in legendary content.

[whole flame]

Im so effing glad that the developers heard that season characters were not popular.

I don't know if they'll swing co.pletely in our direction about it, but I'm shocked that they even responded or read feedback.

Most developers are basically Helen Keller in a cubicle.

The building could be burning down around them a d they're mid sentence typing out vague drivel like "we will continue to deliver an amazing product for you in these exciting times."

[umbral hearth]

i think it would be an interesting OPTIONAL mechanic

having the hardest time getting a good grupo chest drop

i have to get a perfect one with unbreakable, CHC, and CHD so that i can reroll the core to blue

[lunar hare]

imagine you get one but rolls are below 50%
that's so goddamn expensive to optimise

[spare cove]

I'll work with it, tbh

[lunar hare]

yeah, me too

[drifting shale]

Late reply, but I used to do pretty well with a Ninjabike D3 build in legendary missions.

Although I guess D3 was just that good even non classified.

[torpid tendon]

Nope, not for legendary at least

[agile adder]

Did they remove the voice channels for raids guys?

[torpid tendon]

I run 9k classy d3

[agile adder]

i was long inactive

[elfin hazel]

[They were removed by Ubisoft for legal reasons](#discord-news message)

[agile adder]

okk thankss

[umbral hearth]

at this point, after farming for over 2 hours, id just work with it

[stark fern]

Can anyone tell me what the best gear for raid?

Battlegear Striker right?

[full zinc]

striker red dps or high end red dps, both have builds guides in the pinned spreadsheet attached to #td2-build-advice

[stark fern]

Cheer

im sick of people giving me too many recommended for a build. come on just be a serious to give me a build. i spent on that game 2 week for nothing...

[full zinc]

for the record, this is the first time ive talked to you or suggested anything.. whatever advice youve been given in the past has nothing to do with me.. that being said , i would just check the guide and see which you may already have some of the gear for. either will work.. generally its always been highend red dps that is suggested, but within the last year or so striker is also a strong choice that can be used in raid or anywhere else... these will be the 2 suggestions that anyone who knows wtf they are talking about are gonna give for a first time clear setup... thats about as much as im gonna go into it...

[crude plume]

Thank god seasonal characters is axed

[undone timber]

They are?

[undone timber]

There's so many ways to build for so many different things you can't just relegate builds to just one ultimate build for everything

[full zinc]

well unless the one build is strikers 😆

[undone timber]

But muh negotiators in everything that isn't an incursion 😔

[full zinc]

nego is 😍

[vagrant cliff]

in the incursion, is there an issue where kid keeps insta-respawning where we have no chance to kill it before it makes the boss's immune forever?

[tropic sentinel]

Maybe you should make a video what happens.

[tough parcel]

How can I get picaros holster?

[wheat zinc]

Target loot Brazos

[tiny oar]

i've been searching that for weeks lol, hf

[unique bramble]

No wonder nobody was talking about the distress call not appearing, this problem is only on the Playstation platform

[real moth]

You can still matchmake at least

[azure lintel]

d1 has better mission design ... more fun for me
and i love snowy new york

[tiny oar]

i disagree hard on mission design

div 1 gunplay is better than div 2 but the missions on div 2 are on another level

for weather idk, both are cool imo

[azure lintel]

🫠

[tiny oar]

the only thing that obther me in div 2 missions, is you cant skip encounters like div 1 and speedrun

i remember amerst appartment done under 1 or 2min you killed 2 guys at the entry and the boss lol

[tough parcel]

What's the best way to farm exotics

[tender wave]

for most exotics, countdown with a suitable targeted loot (ie not a gearset or brandset)
There are a few that don't drop that way though, or not until you complete a particular project

[tough parcel]

What does it mean "rewards reduced due to bounty completion", I haven't even done a single bounty?

[kind veldt]

that appears when you select a bounty you already have done

[tiny oar]

weekly project, countdown, dz, etc

[tiny oar]

it means you killed the boss already, even if you didnt complete the bounty

[proud shell]

Is based on luck. Countdown dropped me 3 exotics on one run and after 2 weeks I still don't have a single one exotics dropped on Countdown

[tender wave]

countdown lets you buy an exotic cache every couple of runs though so you've got a guaranteed minimum supply

[frozen meadow]

[tiny oar]

you're supposed to buy exo caches from countdown

[peak nova]

Jesus christ. Reduced latency cut my FPS in half.

[tiny oar]

finally did kenly

and holy

people are really super bad at thinking at all, if there isnt an objective marker they are as lost as a chicken on the road

i saw a guy emptying his entire ammo (1k+ rounds) on the invicible boss and then ragequit after dying

[kind veldt]

menawhile in the PTS i somehow solved that puzzle when there werent proper audio lines explaining that

but i dont really have any found memories of kenly

[tiny oar]

im trying the sacrum imperium rn

is it me or the gun is like super bad ? what did i miss ?

[fallow bridge]

is there smt wrong w servers im in north america but it keeps putting me in europe severs

[lunar hare]

It's like hitting people with water balloons

[tiny oar]

yeah, lvling up expertise gonna be a pain lol

[hybrid ore]

Just donate excess materials. Far quicker than being forced to use the terrible Named/Exotics.

[tiny oar]

yeah, i think im gonna do that

its sad tho

[hybrid ore]

Eh, there's a bunch of terrible exotics. Eventually it'll either get buffed or it won't, no reason to fret.

Aka, the "NBB to Imperial Dynasty" scale.

[kind veldt]

you can just leave it as a secondary and never use it and just get the XP passively

i do it with the pistol category all the time

[tiny oar]

yeah good call

[hybrid ore]

It's an option, but that does mean that you are taking up a slot you may otherwise use.

[tiny oar]

yeah, but i rarely use my secondary anyway

so unless i need an exotic in primary im good

[hybrid ore]

I've only learned quite recently that most people don't use all 3 guns regularly.

Skills I get, but the guns are perfect for dealing with range issues.

[tiny oar]

meh

the reload time is fast enough

[hybrid ore]

Reload isn't the issue, it's having to physically go over there to kill 1 enemy when I could just swap guns and do it faster from here.

That and I hate having to fire 30 rounds on a gun that usually kills in 10.

[tiny oar]

i dont understand what you mean

why would you need to move

[solemn marlin]

Hi all, a question on how to find a group to take on the incursion. Matchmaking does not work, posted in the incursion board yielded no response. Is anyone still doing the incursion? Have to get my Ourobouros smg 😅

[kind veldt]

can you evne use LFG chat if you dont have a plataform role?

[stable pawn]

No seasonal characters, I guess I won't retire after all

[spare cove]

Oh, jesus f christ

Not this crap again

This is why you shouldn't listen to Youtubers

[stable pawn]

Haven't looked at youtube, just the Divison announcement

[spare cove]

I still remain unconvinced that the announcement was gonna remove seasons 2.0 completely

[full zinc]

announcement was to let ppl know they were considering options

[stable pawn]

Yeah I didn't read it that way. Looks like just won't have to have a new character to.

Only ever had 1, never plan on another

[full zinc]

reevaluating seasons 2.0 in relation to seasonal characters is basically looking at options. i doubt its scrapped. most likely left optional so they can implement what they want but not force people not interested in the change

[spare cove]

Exactly

[stable pawn]

Will see, just read it as they had the goal of progessing without them.

[full zinc]

how they put it was not a commitment to scrap it... better to wait and see when pts and more info gets announced... its a non issue atm

[lunar hare]

betetr

[full zinc]

hush

[elfin hazel]

will not impact previously announced plans sounds pretty clear to me that year 6 is still seasons 2.0 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stable pawn]

Of course, just nice to hear any communication from them at all

[spare cove]

Given some people are convinced we're gonna see delays, well.... lol

[tardy fern]

quick question to you people who might know, me ( a pc player ) is trying to invite my friend ( ps5 ) and we are having problems trying to join in a squad, does crossplay exist in the division 2

[spare cove]

No

And until the team gets more devs, especially backend programmers, I doubt we'll get crossplay

[tardy fern]

hmm

[stable pawn]

I miss the old State of the Game episodes even if all weren't super informative still felt like something was going on

[tardy fern]

are you 100 percent sure theres no crossplay
because a company as big as ubisoft surely has crossplay right

[spare cove]

Keep in mind that Division 2 was released in 2019. Back then, there was no such thing as crossplay

[spare cove]

I do miss listening to that track in the pre-stream section where it sounds like a re-mix of the Theater settlement music

[elfin hazel]

last somewhat concrete numbers we got for dev size was around 83 people

taking 6 years worth of save data and making that all work with crossplay is too much work for that little amount of people

[lapis junco]

its not a company wide thing. crossplay is a game to game thing

[kind veldt]

other games have, not this one

[lapis junco]

also just an old game. really no reason to have cross play when the next one is coming out sometime within the next 7-8 years

[kind veldt]

and their games are split in a lot of engines so not everything is really standardized for them

not capcom everything is RE engine that they can do a lot

[lapis junco]

yea the engine also limits the amount of people within the ubisoft company that can work on divsion

[elfin hazel]

especially since snowdrop is built by massive themselves

thinking on engines its been a while since I've seen someone come in here saying they should just switch to UE5 as if that'd somehow fix anything

[lapis junco]

It may fix something

[kind veldt]

man UE5 is the worst one for updates that i've seen

[spare cove]

Don't remind me, I still get PTSD from last year over so many posts telling Bungie to switch to UE5

[kind veldt]

always have to unpack the whole game to download a 200mb fix

[lapis junco]

may allow more people to work on it but without knowing how snowdrop actually runs its pretty much impossible to say

[elfin hazel]

as cool as UE5 is has been a plague to the gaming community

[kind veldt]

i mean it's a tool, gotta use it properly or you get bad results

[lapis junco]

I think most people just see big new game engine and automatically think its amazing

it does look amazing

[kind veldt]

sharp knife if you cant fillet a fish will still get bad results

[elfin hazel]

nanites/lumen is cool and all but it just runs like ass!

and really doesn't look that much better most of the time!

[spare cove]

I'll admit, I got very sour on UE5 given all the worship the gaming community has been giving it.

[elfin hazel]

it just feels like RTX all over again but this time people are clamoring over it for some reason

[kind veldt]

me personal problem is any hotfix taking ages

[lapis junco]

oh god when ray tracing came out

that was certainly a time

[nova lake]

Hello all, just finished Div 1 and getting into Div 2
Is there anything I need to know as a beginner getting into the game?

[spare cove]

Level 1-30 is the story. After that, focus on getting to level 40 so you can start with the endgame

[nova lake]

ohh

same thing with Div 1 sorta

[spare cove]

Yep

[tiny oar]

finally got ouro

damn this hit hard

[spare cove]

Congrats. Is the third attribute rolled with DTOC?

[tiny oar]

no to armor

but its fine

[spare cove]

Oh, I have that one too

[torpid tendon]

Ouro is coll, but I still prefer dark winter or 9mm vector 9mm one has tactical sprint lol

[solid stream]

So I finished endgame a while back, what’s there to do after that? I don’t have a single exotic either 🙂‍↕️

[real moth]

Farm for cool builds, run endgame content like legendaries, raids or incursion

[lunar hare]

You need to pair oreo with Striker's/DPS or even PvP. Vector is on Oreo's toes.

[glass gate]

Hi just bought td2 and i have all time crash in max 5 min from game start... any idea how fix it?

[solid stream]

Did you buy it digital?

[glass gate]

Yes

[solid stream]

If so, I would uninstall it

Power cycle your console and then Redownload it.

If you’re on console. If you’re on pc man It may be a little more intricate. I run on console…

[glass gate]

Its on pc

[tiny oar]

whats your pc specs

[torpid tendon]

I run hf like all the time. Idk I got a liking for the high end smgs. I'm not questioning the ouros performance lol.

[glass gate]

13900kf 64gb ram and 7900xtx

[sterile scaffold]

Goobisoft magic

It just work™️

[tiny oar]

check the settings, there is a lot of options that can crash the game

[sterile scaffold]

The game just existing is enough to crash tbf

[glass gate]

Xd

[sterile scaffold]

Honestly just expect memory leaks and crashes and you'll be good

All I can say is verify the files and hope it works, oh and don't use DX12

[tiny oar]

dont use dx 12, dont plug a controller, disable reduced latency

[primal star]

When will walker be in the DZ?

[glass gate]

ok anything else could crash?

[tiny oar]

lot of things

[sterile scaffold]

EAC being crap, memory leak, you did literally anything, driver could be out of date and or corrupt, game feels like it, pick a reason

[tiny oar]

but there is no list sadly

[sterile scaffold]

Someone said something mean in another room

[spare cove]

Pray for targeted loot to give it to us

[solid stream]

Right click and run compatible mode I think

[kind veldt]

are you using controller or similar? mines does that if i forget a controller plugged in

[glass gate]

too much core cpu cn crsh game too?

[glass gate]

0 controllers

reinstalled game and os did nothing...

[sterile scaffold]

Probably

[kind veldt]

is it freezing for a moment then crashing?

[loud storm]

Ok why if i do the weekly is see 11 caches pop up in bottom left of my screen (2 conflict/4 field and 5 DZ ) but i only got 2 conflict 2 field and 1 DZ. And if was not full i had 3/20 caches and the did not go to stash or what not. Same happens at times when you get a high ranked manhunt kill,game shows +5 caches but you get only 2/3 and at times you dont get any and then after few kills you get 15.....

[glass gate]

yes

[loud storm]

But anyway the bottom left feed is not correct in showing and what you actually get if its alot at once

[proper spindle]

chat what are the odds of getting st. elmos from my first cache

[spare cove]

Low

[proper spindle]

wrong channel mb

[tiny oar]

lmao i just tested ouroboros

wtf is wrong with that gun the damage output is insane

i dont even have expertise or a good roll and it shred everything

or even a good build, im at 70% chc xd rn

[umbral hearth]

70 CHC……?

you sure abt that

[tiny oar]

yeah i used my elmo build so i overcap chc with ouro

[umbral hearth]

thats possible??

[tiny oar]

no, that mean i waste damage rolls

[umbral hearth]

i thought diamondback was the only thing that bypassed the hard 60 chance cap

ohhhhh

[tiny oar]

when i say im at 70 that mean im wasting damage cause its capped

[kind veldt]

ouro is just raw damage

talent is pretty much something you dont even care about

[tidal aspen]

Sooo... No XBox controller support on Steam?

[hearty patio]

Has anyone dealt with the hunter in foggy bottom?

[tiny oar]

most people have

[hearty patio]

Do you get a mask from him if you managed to kill him

[tiny oar]

yes

alll hunters do

[kind veldt]

the ones that just hang around and run away when you spot them shouldnt be dropping anything i think

they used tho due a bug that was really ages ago

[tidal aspen]

Sooo... No XBox controller support on Steam?

[hearty patio]

Yea the one I saw in foggy took off as soon as I noticed him

[sterile scaffold]

It's up to the game to have controller support, not steam

[tidal aspen]

So this game doesn't support the XBox controller?

[sterile scaffold]

Check the game page, I don't use a gamepad

[broken solstice]

it works w xbox controllers

[tidal aspen]

Weird. Clean install. Just bought th game in Steam. Loaded it up. Nothing.

[sterile scaffold]

The usual

[tiny oar]

thoses hunters dont count, they are there mostly to look at you, not fight

the hunters that drop mask need to complete a puzzle first

[kind veldt]

i think you might to configure on steam instead of ingame

[frozen elk]

general chat in the game of division 2 is wild.

[inner elbow]

The chat design is more wild

[stark fern]

right.

[hearty patio]

ah so even if you get all the masks there would still be hunters popping up to look at you?

[kind veldt]

yeah

they used to drop masks also if you could one shot them

i think for a while that was the only wayu to get the last one until they fixed the hunter encounter since he wouldnt spawn

[lunar hare]

I keep getting double crit Setup's. I'm about to go insane

[small spear]

it's calling you to do full red 2p uzina with striker

[novel laurel]

Has to be wired I believe

[quick wolf]

Yo, I forgor. Are incursions only once a week like Raids or no?