#division-universe

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glad spruce
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||We injured him severely after we fought him off in Coney Island during Season 3||

upbeat tide
glad spruce
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||The missing audio log can be found from playing the mission one more time||

gaunt ice
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He was really lucky to survive a .50 cal to the head

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Also Bardon surviving isn’t exactly a spoiler or anything new

pulsar oracle
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||DUDE! The ending for this Season! This was too much to handle! A returning character from Bardon's team, actually the last surviving member, Jack Bonney! Lewis helping (¿?) and so much more!||

cursive tapir
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I knew he was alive, I just wasn't sure why we hadn't interrogated him for any intel yet. Now we know why!

leaden wigeon
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you need to play the mission again to get the log from the first boss, any named will drop the logs

leaden wigeon
plain junco
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this season was a whole lot better than I thought it would be

frail coyote
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An idea I had about the final mission of the season ||they called the hunter we saw 'the recruiter' but he wasn't around to help or even watch us fight Bonney, and if you replay the mission there are multiple times where you hear ISAC say 'unknown network detected' and you get spammed with drones, what if Bonney wasn't the one they were trying to recruit and instead they were stress testing our agent.||

raw yew
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I always thought Bonney was Galveston

unreal trout
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||My favourite bit of that mission was the banter between Bonny and that unnamed woman, demanding his cookie after the bet LOL||

raw yew
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I was listening to music the entire time I hunted Xander… did I miss anything 😭

unreal trout
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Xander? Nah.. she just b*tches in our ears..

raw yew
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I always wondered… did Ridgeway self assign himself the Rank of general ?

He was arrested as a Colonel

unreal trout
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He was arrested twice. Once as a Major, once as a Colonel. In the audio logs when he is busted out, the corporal still calls him Colonel. So it is likely he promoted himself to General of the True Sons

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Oddly enough everyone else including Manny just... accepted that?

raw yew
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Lol

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Reason I mention it is because I find it intriguing we have a General Anderson… yet Morozova was heavily feared and had a lot of power

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And she was a Colonel

unreal trout
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The structure of the the true sons seems to demand a General at the top. And when we took out Antwon, Anderson took over

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Then again the Rank structure of the True Sons is weird af

raw yew
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It’s way weird

unreal trout
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Because Lewis is a Captain but has a Major under him

raw yew
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It seems to be based on who is friends with who

unreal trout
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And since they don't call themselves Admirals they probably don't use the Navy Structure

raw yew
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For example we fight a bunch of privates when we go after Keates

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And they were closely knitted

unreal trout
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A lot if named Bosses are Sergeants as well, which is fair considering normal Squad structure

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But the sprinkling in of LTs, Captains and Majors is often so seemingly random

raw yew
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I personally like that some of them retain ranks… but some joined true sons without being JTF or armed forces and somehow have higher ranks than those who were enlisted

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Idk what it entails in the game other than access or intelligence

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Just a curious thought

unreal trout
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Sometimes you will see a named Enemy as a P.F.C. even though he has a First Sergeant tattoo X'D

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DEMOTEEEEED

raw yew
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Bruv

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They seriously did Agent edwards dirty

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The Edwards referenced by Daniel’s is this dusk chick

sleek plover
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I...am quite disappointed at the ending tho...

raw yew
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||is Schaffer talking about your agent tracking him in the insurance policy rendezvous comm?||

plain junco
gaunt ice
sleek plover
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...before i answer that, please instruct me on how to use the spoiler shades in discord

sick lantern
sleek plover
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||

sick lantern
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you have to put the message in between those
|| message ||
just remove the spaces

sleek plover
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|| you mean like this? ||

sick lantern
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ok thanks discord not what i wanted

sleek plover
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good, thanks

sick lantern
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or you can do /spoiler but you can’t be specific with that

sleek plover
# gaunt ice why?

||The very thought of collaborating with the True Sons is nauseating ||

gaunt ice
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we're in line with them for now

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the enemy of my enemy is my friend

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sure we still acknowledges them as war criminals but you have to think about what massive scheme does black tusk have to force the true sons to run to us

mint citrus
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Or at least Lewis

surreal hearth
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The true sons are not the ones that ridgeway controlled they are split into multi groups or companies

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And this general Anderson is involved keeping the war going but now he’s terrified of the black tusk

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Captain Lewis is marked as a” person of interest” and now planning to work alongside the division despite the past strife.

tawny frost
surreal hearth
sleek plover
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If my agent goes officially rogue, now would be the time

surreal hearth
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Keep in mind this whole time we have been fighting the Ts LTs only because captain Lewis needed some time to figure out what the black tusk are really up to I mean have you seen his style?

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His gear of choice he be dead instantly but instead we decided to hear him out and straight up put a bullet on a black tusk soldier infront of us.

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What’s even more scary is that the black tusk are becoming more and more shadier by the years

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Some operators are becoming more selective because they are in possession of an SHD watch

surreal hearth
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It’s no surprise that the black tusk is running a hunter testing ground and it feels like Natalya sokolova has a new partnership now that her old partner is captured by the division he intended it to get himself captured because lau and shaeffer were conspiring to bring down the deep state behind black tusk and the only way for shaeffer to escape from his own organization is in a body bag or injure him long enough to be captured an unconscious the armor in guessing is LMB modified to keep him alive incase he gets to injured to fight that’s why he wear that cute helmet.

frail coyote
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Honestly the idea of rogue is going to be thrown out the window soon, the definitions of being an active division agent is way to constricting for the current situation, also with the losses of many division agents, mending bridges with the rogues might need to happen

surreal hearth
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The rogues were just keeners puppets, the Jupiter and the keener legacy failed to carry out the inquisitions and ever since we’ve took them down all rogue agents were forced into hiding, but then shaeffer decided it would be a good idea that lau would suggest using some of these rogues as a “distraction” while lau and shaeffer would figure out what to do.

digital hemlock
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lol, i knew we will be playing as hunters in Div3

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donny is just a test

surreal hearth
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While the division are the Phoenix

digital hemlock
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its quite obvious since the ending of Div1

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or so called ending

surreal hearth
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Yeah the ending in division1 was left unsolved after that

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I kept replaying the game knowing a lot of behind the scenes and been killing hornet many times in div1 but less in div2

sick lantern
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NGN got sponsored

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resurgence info

glad spruce
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IIRC, isn't Resurgence set around the time the first wave were sent to New York?

sick lantern
surreal hearth
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First wave right into the first signs of civil unrest and to fight the “Gordon” Freemens

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Get it cuss the factions are Free-man

raw yew
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I hope we get to encounter the sniper who helped us get into the space museum again

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Also conspiracy theory… Manny had mentioned that a hyena insider informed them whoever’s posted in the old ceo office of the world bank has the keycard to the vault holding the president…

Is it not likely that insider was Mayhem since she was present and not killed?

late void
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given how pissed she sounded when we rescued the president, I doubt it was her, likely some low-ranked mook

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hoping we'll find out more of her story in a future season

cursive tapir
# sleek plover ||The very thought of collaborating with the True Sons is nauseating ||

I don’t disagree with you. It’s a little weird how most of the manhunt targets we took down this season were real sickos, only for Lewis to be a “both sides have heroes” type guy in the end

This is the problem with the fact that the game doesn’t really make it clear exactly what the True Sons’ agenda is. We have clear goals/ideologies for the Cleaners and Outcasts, but for the True Sons we don’t know much. Presumably because Ubi doesn’t want to go there politically

Either way, yeah, I’ll pass on teaming up with war criminals. The Division is supposed to be better than that. Historically, the US’s pattern of working with militant radicals against a greater threat usually comes back to bite them in the ass.

patent narwhal
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I mean that doesn't stop them from doing it time and time again + we don't exactly have any leadership telling us not to do it

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ISAC doesn't even consider it an action bad enough to call us rogues for doing it which is a bit strange

unreal trout
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It's not that strange at all, really

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Generally ISAC is a "Big picture, re-establish order" kind of Program

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If the True Sons aid in rebuilding america, that's not off mission

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Generally the True Sons are authoritarian, but still pro-America and Pro-Order

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The Outcasts and Hyenas, Cleaners and Rikers are all anti-authoritarian, chaos over order type factions

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The BT and TS are the opposite of that

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What sets the Division and the BT and TS apart is the methods, the uniformity and the structure

late void
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I think cleaners are pro-order, it's just their idea of order is 'everything gets sterilized'

unreal trout
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In the Division, there is no clear rank structure or order despite "team leader", "On scene coordinators" and the like contrary to the "Militarised Ranks, Order - Obey" type the BT and TS are

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Chaotic Order if you will, yeah, I could see that

patent narwhal
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that is correct but since WONY (and base game a lil bit) its been implied time and time again that there is something or someone else behind ISAC and I would think that teaming with someone like lewis would be a huge nono if that something or someone is ||mcmanus n friends||

plain pine
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||This Love triangle thing seems out of the blue|| the new stuff we learned..

unreal trout
plain pine
patent narwhal
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I think the ||romance|| stuff was also in the last 2 manhunts as well albeit much more subtle/brief

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one of the last two at least

unreal trout
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Didn't notice that

patent narwhal
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I feel like I remember it being passingly mentioned in one of the last 2 manhunts

patent narwhal
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yeah its implied in the faye manhunt

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implied in the sense that ||theres a bit of tension between faye & viper||

shy ridge
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After seeing the ending cinematic for the season, I have an image in my head of Kelso shaking Bardon awake from his coma screaming "TELL US WHAT YOU KNOW!!!"

surreal hearth
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You know you guys are probably right

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ISAC didn’t marked any of us as rogues for helping the true sons for some weird reason

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ISAC is more likely an algorithmic system but ever since the president is dead and the chain of command of every single political is gone or scattered things are starting to change rapidly

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The AI is getting more and more smarter from our actions as if it knows what we are really dealing with

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Though lau sacrifice was a bit necessary otherwise we all be dead if the black tusk or whatever deep state faction would have done

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They would have activated this so called “button” to nuke us off or shut the last of the U.S infrastructure down for good

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However things are slowly changing as some leadership’s from the three main factions are getting involved regarding the exposure threats of the hunters

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And black tusk is becoming more and more vicious with their new alliances in place

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Now McManus made it clear that the hunters are classified as extremely rare meaning that these guys are very limited as we killed several of them already, even more of them while securing the power plant.

shy ridge
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Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Bardon’s victory screen said target eliminated and Lewis is the first one to have Target Neutralized instead?

round sinew
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Holy sh*t Jack Bonney became a Hunter

lofty spire
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He was going to be one, yes, as repayment to McManus after we offed Deceit in the Schaeffer manhunt

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The fact he had his own SHD watch is... interesting, too

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On top of everything else it would explain why hunters have use of SHD tech so easily, but ISAC repeating the words "Unknown network detected" really got me thinking

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ANNA is the rogue version of ISAC, piggybacking off of ISAC's systems while remaining encrypted thanks to Theo Parnell

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With what we've learned so far about where the hunters came from, it wouldn't surprise me if they have something like that of their own, running off of ISAC's systems in the same or a similar way

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The thing is, ISAC referred to Bonney as an agent, didn't he?

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If Bonney was supposed to become another hunter, the hell does him being an agent in ISAC's eyes mean?

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What does that say the hunters really are?

round sinew
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Hunters are also DHS personnel. So they likely have access to the same systems

lofty spire
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Just thinking on the Agent part, really

round sinew
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I'm just happy his loose end got tied up

lofty spire
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ISAC referred to him as Agent Jack Bonney, which implies that ISAC registers him as being an active or rogue member of the Division, right?

round sinew
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Jack Bonney being unaccounted for bothered me

round sinew
lofty spire
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Was about to say that

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Due to the hunters also being under Homeland, was ISAC pulling Bonney's agent status from a division database, or was it from a different one we don't know about?

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Unanswered questions everywhere

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The Hunters' ability to override our SHD tech and turn it against us really makes sense now, too

round sinew
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Eh. We have a season 10. Wait a couple months.

lofty spire
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Whatever ISAC-esque network they're on must have a higher security clearance than ours, due to the nature of their existence

round sinew
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We still don't know what their mission is

lofty spire
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And I know for sure it has to be linked to ISAC's network because ISAC only said "Unknown Network Detected" when we were close enough to a rogue for him to detect ANNA's presence, nowhere else

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That too, yeah

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They track down and kill Agents and take their watches as trophies, but why?

round sinew
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Season 10 will reveal all

lofty spire
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Yup

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Whatever stuff Schaeffer has to say sure is going to be something, I figure

round sinew
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I don't think he'll be back in season 10

lofty spire
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He'll be back at some point, question is when

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With what we know now, and his condition apparently being stable, Kelso isn't going to let him die

raw yew
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The one found footage of making prisoners dig their own grave and shooting them as they climb out of it was the sickest thing I’d seen them do tbh

But they do remind me of Nazis

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Since the cleaners and outcasts burn people alive I feel like they are more dangerous

raw yew
mint citrus
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They've been doing things longer

unreal trout
unreal trout
leaden wigeon
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and ANNA is a clone of ISAC, and hunter network is from McManus?

lofty spire
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Developed by Theo Parnell, ANNA essentially hooks onto ISAC while remaining encrypted, essentially functioning as the rogues' ISAC... through ISAC

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Hope that makes sense

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ANNA isn't a clone of ISAC, they're technically the same thing, just two networks on the same system

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With the knowledge of the Hunters working for Homeland, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they have their own network on ISAC's system as well

cursive tapir
cursive tapir
dry spear
round sinew
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Yeah

cursive tapir
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Did Schaefer actually say that he spoke to the Hunter at Coney Island? I can’t remember how they communicated with each other

floral gull
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Is he a double agent for SHD?

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Or just decided to switch right before coney

plain pine
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Finally finished the Manhunt! ...... watches cutscene
...I was JUST starting to understand some stuff! tears hair out

zealous mica
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yeah that cutscene threw me for a loop for sure

ivory solar
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Doesn’t say that he spoke with the hunter directly or indirectly, just that the hunter talked to him

plain pine
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It better not be zombies or aliens -.-

ivory solar
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Well with how hunters disappear from plain sight and how we never hear them say anything and everything else, I’d say they’re aliens

plain pine
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hmm werewolfs perhaps

ivory solar
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That’s a good one, especially since their icon thing looks like a wolf

cursive tapir
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My money is some sort of super-soldiers/cybernetically enhanced or something

With some winter-soldier style brainwashing, hence why we never hear them speak

ivory solar
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They’re literally everything, even stuff that makes no sense for their character. A unicorn is never seen, is it?

cursive tapir
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Yup! Haha

surreal hearth
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They actually made a weird robotic noise during Conley island

tepid ibex
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Just finished the Manhunt. This is crazy, so Black Tusk are worse than True Sons now or what?

And I'm glad we didn't just KOS Lewis. Might be another interesting anti-hero like Shaeffer.

sleek plover
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They are aliens

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their "masks" are in fact their facial exoskeleton carapace

grizzled carbon
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honestly loved the season, is the hunter we saw in the last mission the same one that killed Agent Edwards?

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ah never mind just checked, the hunter from the last mission is red masked while Edwards' killer had a black one

sick verge
unreal trout
floral gull
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Any news on the next season release?

round sinew
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Late August

hardy oar
tepid ibex
tepid ibex
unreal trout
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The Alliance with War Criminals is so funny to me. Like, they want to get rid of an "evil", but in order to do so, they allign with other evils

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The Division just smells of hypocrisy left and right

tepid ibex
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"The enemy of my enemy is my war criminal friend"

hardy oar
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But that's still evil

unreal trout
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What do we know about the exact goals of BT? What do we know about the exact goals of the TS? Not much

ashen jungle
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So, finally did the latest Manhunt.
Got to say, I don't care for this direction.

unreal trout
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One of the few

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Care to discuss? :o

ashen jungle
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Well the tl;dr of it is that I never wanted to learn about Hunters, and really hoped they'd never be explained as ||another facet of a shadow plot, or even a tie-in to the wider Tom Clancy universe.||

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Subtlety in military-plots can be hard to handle, but div2 just not explaining a bunch of stuff helped that. It kept it intriguing when we didn't know everything.
This also raises questions, like; ||are the LZ Hunters canon? If so, why are they making puzzles?||

frail coyote
# ashen jungle Subtlety in military-plots can be hard to handle, but div2 just not explaining a...

||My current headcannon is that the hunters were testing us to see if we would be a good fit for the hunter program|| ||that being said I fully agree with you, I didn't want them to explain the hunters at all, for a slightly different reason. Keener, he was just as much as a mystery as the Hunters in Div1, and they way they turned him from an arguably relatable opportunist to a generic machevelian badguy||

surreal hearth
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Bardon has committed to mass conspire when he had the rogues on his side.

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The purpose is that he knew that by drawing out both a division and a rogue agent together a hunter would pop out of nowhere to attack both of us

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Bardon pretty much went deep playing on both sides but he knew he had to take risk to find the real reasoning behind everything

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As much as he wants revenge against the division a near death and capture was the only way to escape from black tusk

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And lau also had to become a martyr

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Otherwise the BTs deep state would be onto us and nuke us down

shy ridge
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Ok I have a theory about the recruiter

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I think when we see him fully in game, he’ll have a unique mask. They’re just reusing assets now because they haven’t finalized their design and you see them from afar

raw yew
lucid zinc
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Is it just me or that the hunters maybe the inner core of the div?

trim yarrow
lucid zinc
trim yarrow
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Plus I think most people rp as a hunter or rogue agent anyway

lucid zinc
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i wanna get my m60 and do "stuff" to the white house

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:troll:

trim yarrow
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What I want ubi to do is make a vote who wants to stay a SHD operative and who wants to be a rogue agent outside of dz or be a hunter and then they will see the fan base choose so they can see what we want

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I would 100% drop everything to become a hunter

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Because if they make a vote and see that most wanna be rogue or hunter then we should get like specific special outfit for what we choose that's just my idea

lucid zinc
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nice

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next thing you know the white house has those darkzone turrets shooting you down

trim yarrow
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Hahaha nah if I'm a hunter I'll just hit ya with that smoke bomb

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And dip

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But in all fairness I really do hope ubi sees these things and takes them as opportunities because it would kinda bring more freedom in away instead of being lock by one faction we can choose another and become that faction I would love it if ubi did a dlc where we had to make a choice to become a rogue or hunter I would definitely pay for that

unreal trout
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The Problem is content for Hunters. The Division is focussed on the Rebuilding. If you become a Hunter, you are techically free, but too free in the context of the game.

sleek plover
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True Sons, Black Tusks, both are tyrants.
They must be purged.

late void
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they could create a load of 'missions' where your objectives are to just find suitable rooftops to watch an agent from (mission failure if you let them look at you for too long without poofing in smoke)

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or sneakily following agents around and to see if they happen to shoot the right lights out in the right order (and then killing them if they actually do, but that only happens one in 20 times)

unreal trout
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You'd still run out of rooftops. And Missions would turn one sided fast. Only JTF as enemies. "JTF".. The civs in Div2 are a joke to begin with. And an Agent Encounter every mission is also a bit much

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It would be essentially a different game

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More splinter cell style

sick lantern
late void
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mission objective is to successfully make the target agent fully creeped out without actually engaging them (or anyone else) in combat

unreal trout
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"creeped out".. eh..

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So far every Agent on this discord is fascinated more than creeped out, lol

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Also, Combat is the core of Div 2, by taking that away it is turning into a different game, like I said

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You would need to rework a lot of things

late void
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I know, I'm just giving examples to demonstrate what you're arguing - that playing as a hunter (as we know them) would actually be really boring

trim yarrow
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I wouldn't mind it sounds like fun to me

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Beside I'm not saying to re work anything at all I just wished would put an idea out there you know

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I'm not trying to make people argue over something like this just I would love a good change of past once and while in div2

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All I'm saying is I wish there was a thing to change into a rogue or hunter but doesn't mean everyone has to I said most people would like to be one like only a handful amount but all in all I like giving ideas and opportunities not let ideas die or anything after all we are the community that keeps playing the game so mind as well throw in some ideas

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Rogue as in outside of dz

hardy oar
trim yarrow
late void
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I think that wiping like 80% of the population out and causing complete social and economic collapse is going to be about a bit more than just a 'test ground'

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long term, any new society that arises is going to look so completely different that it seems a very odd goal for anyone to work for - you lose basically all the expertise and knowledge necessary to maintain current technology, end up back in a subsistence farming economy after a few generations (if anyone even has the necessary skills for that)

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I mean, you can scavenge on remains for a while, but eventually they will run out and technology will break down beyond repair

trim yarrow
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It is what it is

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Ideas are ideas

hardy oar
# late void I think that wiping like 80% of the population out and causing complete social a...

I think it was an experiment that went out of control. Too many died and they had to act quick and made Armhest a scapegoat so they can go into hiding and observe the whole situation. And think about the quarantine zones in New York and on Rooselvet Island. Also think about the deploying of DC-62 in Washington D.C.

Why were the First Wave agents and gear left behind in New York? Who forced such an order?

Why JTF soldiers commited war crimes on Roosevelt Island? Again, who forced such an order?

Why did they use the chemical agent when they obviously knew about its toxicity?

There ist a saying: "Fake it till you make it".

And the damage they did? "Who cares, we are safe".

sick lantern
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“why did the JTF commit war crimes on Roosevelt?” uh Ridgeway, we know this

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“why did they use DC-62?” rich twats in Georgetown pushed for it

hardy oar
hardy oar
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My guess this is what the ringleaders think

hardy oar
sick lantern
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Even though Amherst admitted in his own words, his whole manifesto

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and we have video footage and ECHOs of Ridgeway that proves he’s a tyrant of his own accord

hardy oar
untold blaze
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ok so theres the regular questions about the lore n stuff but

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HOW DID THEY FIT A MARAUDER IN THAT WELL

raw yew
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Is Macmannis the same guy mentioned in division 1… “Anyway you’re here now, just like when Sergeant Macmannis took over the beat”

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When you meet the JTF Officer in the wolves den he speaks of him

mint citrus
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Nope, different guy

tepid ibex
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I wonder how this True Sons alliance will go. Since the next season is in August. Like, will we eventually kill Gen Anderson and Lewis or will McManus' Hunters wipe them out?

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I just can't see this alliance being permanent

urban musk
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Can I just say how much I hate this "Calvin McManus" Guy? Like he's working with an enemy of the state and overstepping his authority, hell what am I to say I'm just a Division agent.

raw yew
tepid ibex
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@raw yew I actually feel like the Hidden Alliance is the Black Tusk and Hunters. But when I mentioned alliance, I wasn't talking about the name of this season. I mean regarding the Captain Lewis mission, and Kelso saying we could use their help

sick lantern
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this book I got remember

gaunt ice
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Ohhhh

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I forgor

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💀

gusty fulcrum
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@pale carbon if you take a screenshot, the hunter is actually wearing the crimson mask

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Which is the hunter where you answer the two phones

late void
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I think they were referred to as 'the recruiter' (the mission partly being a test to see if Jack Bonney was capable enough to be recruited onto the Hunter programme)

gusty fulcrum
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That does make sense

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I found it odd it was a hunter you already killed though

late void
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which also implies they were counting on your arrival

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(to form the 'real test' - are they capable of killing a shd agent?)

gusty fulcrum
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Wdym

late void
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Someone suggested the crimson mask was a placeholder and when we get to face them properly (next season?) they'll have a new mask

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well, the literal purpose of hunters is to kill division agents, we ARE what they hunt, so presumably they wanted us there to see if Jack was good enough to kill us

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so the attack on the True Sons was likely just to set a lure for us, knowing that we were hunting Lewis at the time

late void
pale carbon
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And Jack Bonney was a Agent, damn

sick lantern
pale carbon
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Wait..classifed when he died.

lofty spire
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Agent Status: Classified

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Not Active, not Rogue, Classified

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🤔

round sinew
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Hunter

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They're above our pay grade

median crag
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I do believe Season X is going to be a fight against the Hunters. Cause going off of the audio and stuff, the True Sons were planning something, which ended up getting them back on SHDs radar. As well as Sergeant Daniels' attempt at enhanced interrogations to grab a Hunter.

Going off of what we know from them now, is that they work with Homeland Security, have a sleeper-agent esque alliance with Black Tusk, going off of what McManus said, and that they're some form of special-ops guys due to their proficiency, speed, etc.

My guess is also with the 'classified' status, is that the Hunters are some form of spec-ops version of Division Agents, equipped with a possibly more advanced version of ISAC, to allow for hacking, EMP, etc. and that they're a semi-uniformed force, not as organized as LMB or Black Tusk, may also suggest that there are more than we're taking on currently.

I'll have to talk more on this later, but this is my compile of what I know

untold blaze
gusty fulcrum
tepid ibex
tepid ibex
# round sinew Hunter

This is the first time someone has been caught trying to become an official Hunter. I believe McManus was running low or something in a comm, so Sokolova gave him a Black Tusk soldier to test and recruit. He wasn't technically a Hunter just yet, McManus probably gave him a watch recently tho.

round sinew
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Not running low so much as Sokolova borrowed a Hunter that wound up killed, so McManus said she owed him a recruit.

median crag
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McManus does have Hunters embedded within the black tusk, from one of the comms we hear, so that is a thing too

round sinew
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Which is concerning

median crag
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Probably the most concerning

round sinew
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The two bad shadow agencies are infighting while trying to fight the good guy shadow agency

median crag
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That makes sense as to why there were Hunters during the Bardon Schaeffer manhunt, they were BT in disguise to take down the rogue agents

gusty fulcrum
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but the question is, what is a hunter

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i mean they are psychotic when it comes to murder

raw yew
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Season X…

raw yew
gusty fulcrum
raw yew
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Honestly rikers in division 2 have nothing on rikers from division 1

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I struggle so badly to kill the rikers heavy gunner

gusty fulcrum
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Rikers from div 1 were much more powerful

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I remember the barret fight with the riker heavies

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Just cowering in the corner D:

frail coyote
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initial run barret fight was brutal

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I wiped so many times just trying to kill the heavies

raw yew
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I just completed the mission, I figured once you shoot them from one direction you run to the opposite and shoot from the other or move slightly over and shoot from there

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Barret was playing ultimate chicken tho

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Running left and right 90 times

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Barret scares me though… she’s sick in the head..
I wonder how Dragov became the rikers leader when he was a cop… kinda goes against their whole anti uniform motto

untold blaze
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things changed since barret

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rikers were genuinely just criminals when they left the island, in div 2 they are more like a 'family' under dragov

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7 months is enough to change criminals into less criminals

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idk i dont study criminology lol

raw yew
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I guess when you remove a fascist from power people start to not have propaganda filling their heads

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Dragovs propaganda broadcasts were interesting to listen to because he is in his own way saying the rikers are socialist, if not communist and they were forgotten about and tossed under by those in power because they had wealth

unreal trout
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Generally, from a crimonology standpoint, the rikers were rallied under Barret in a "We are free f*ck the state" kinda motto. 7 months later, the state is all but gone. The system they wanted to fight doesn't exist anymore. Groups like that need a charismatic leader who can rally them. Barret was that. When we kill her in div1, that leaves a power vacuum. The rikers weren't and aren't like Hyenas with cells and cell leaders, they were a group that is even less organised. So when a new charismatic leader stands up and promises you to lead them to a new glory, and treats you like his own, calling you family and caring about you in a way no one did for a long time (prison makes you long for such familiarity unless you are truly clinically psychotic or sociopathic), you will follow. Especially if going on your own and splintering off would mean fending for yourself in an apocalyptic world.

sleek plover
unreal trout
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The outcasts are essentially people who were radicalised and turned to extremism due to the trauma that was enforced upon them. Victims of circumstance you could say. Here too, a strong and charismatic leader influenced and inspired them to become the group they are. On their own, a lot of these people probably would never have gone that route, but the leadership of Shaw brought them over the line. It's unlikely all of them are deranged psychopaths. If order were to be restored, it's not uncommon for a lot of these people to develop severe PTSD from committing what they have, and might even turn themselves in. As order is not restored however, this is just a speculation and not based on facts we see in game

sleek plover
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Thanks! I also kind of curious how people from post-defeat LMB would eventually become in criminal-psych viewpoint assuming the BTSU merger didnt happen.
I mean there are echo that suggests some of the officers were using civilians as live targets, conscripting them as suicide squads and there was one echo that they killed civs cuz they refuse to wear the "civ uniform" they enforced.

tranquil haven
# raw yew Barret scares me though… she’s sick in the head.. I wonder how Dragov became the...

The Rikers and Dutchess in particular do remember that Dragov allowed them to kill the Rikers Island prison warden

It's implied that Dutchess had become someone with significant influence in the Rikers by the time Barrett died or shortly afterwards. You would have to have a decent amount of resources or influence to track down a rogue agent, let alone give them a plausible recruitment offer

mint citrus
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I'm curious about what happened to the Bronx, Queens or even Staten Island despite the fact that it's not a real borough

hardy oar
# raw yew Season X…

I hope we'll get a mission to download Parnell files about the conspiracy he talked about. Maybe there lies the answer about Hunters

raw yew
# mint citrus I'm curious about what happened to the Bronx, Queens or even Staten Island despi...

Watch a Show called “The Strain” if you want to see what basically happens as ||it’s a similar effect of a global pandemic. Within let’s say 12 days, Queens becomes a no man’s land because it’s where both airports are and it’s where you access the rest of New York. Same would go for the Bronx. I mean yea the disease is aware but Queens will always be on its own because it’s the furthest away from Manhattan. The Upper East Side and Harlem would most likely be saved first in Manhattan as that’s where the rich folk reside. The origin of that virus happens to be JFK international airport, also located in Queens. Spreads it’s way to the Brooklyn border within a day. Brooklyn will put up a fight because well established quarantine zones and checkpoints allow for Brooklyn to become isolated despite the boroughs being connected. Since Brooklyn has direct connection to Manhattan, once the upper east side is cleared, the remaining law enforcement push into Brooklyn as its isolated. Staten island being accessible only through a bridge and ferries makes it so easy to control. Ideally that’s where it would be safest had smallpox / green poison not be so contagious||

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Brooklyn is connected to Manhattan via two bridges and a tunnel beneath the Brooklyn bridge

raw yew
sweet imp
# round sinew They're above our pay grade

Or more like a parallel group within Homeland. But I haven't followed the story to the detail so I'm confused whether The Division agents report directly to the president or are part of Homeland, and then they could be unknowingly part of the same structure

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The fact that some speculate that the Hunters could have access to shd tech, and better tech, makes me want Massive to introduce new skills and related open-world/summit activities

round sinew
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Technically speaking,

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Pre-activation, SHD agents are in the normal government hierarchy as sleeper cells.

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Once activated, SHD is supposed to report only to the president, or per COG protocols, whoever is in charge.

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Any other command hierarchy is kind of fluid.

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In Division 1, the player agent as part of the second wave is placed under the command of a commander who then immediately dies along with X other agents. It's the helicopter crash that the player and Lau survive.

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From that point on, as the senior SHD agent present, the player takes their orders from Lau.

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SHD works with the JTF. They do not work for the JTF.

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Anything the 3 JTF people tell you to do in Division 1 is a request, not an order.

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In Division 2, the player agent is in a similar spot.

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Manny is not SHD. He is the current SHD coordinator, but his role is essentially "switchboard operator" to keep the SHD agents up to date on what's going on.

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Kelso, on the other hand, is presented as senior to you. So as the ranking active agent, you take orders from her.

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Don't ask who Kelso reports to.

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If Odessa Sawyer from the Theater un-retired, she'd be senior to you as well and likely take up a position as an acting field commander like Lau did. She can't really go out fighting without a leg, anyways.

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On the other hand, with the Hunters, we only know they're somehow recruited and organized through the Department of Homeland Security.

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I personally doubt they're specifically part of the Strategic Homeland Division, but like you said, a parallel agency.

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I personally believe, with the lore we have, that Hunters are SHD 2.0.

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If you recall the old theory about them being 3rd Wave agents from the first game, I think it's likely accurate given what we've found out over the last couple seasons.

median crag
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There would have been a 3rd wave, like what Viper said, she was never activated. Said they were saving them for 'the real end times'

round sinew
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They're a separate unit, likely directly under the command of McManus. They're given better training and toys than SHD because they're meant to take out SHD if McManus decides SHD is in the way.

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Unless they pull out any new lore from left field, I think this is more or less the idea they're going with.

sick lantern
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maybe McManus thinks he’s being a real American patriot™️ and eliminating government overreach by taking down the SHD petter

round sinew
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Hunters are the Praetorian Guard for McManus's new American empire.

round sinew
median crag
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So these are the two main ideas for the huntes.

They're some form of higher-level SHD

A parrallel unit to SHD that is more like a SOCOM group

round sinew
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That's pretty much the same idea tbh

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We've really dialed in to what they are. It isn't like a year ago where "maybe they're aliens" was a serious theory.

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At this point we're not theorizing red or blue, just different shades of red.

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I was convinced they were Bodark for a minute.

median crag
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My guess is that they were supposed to be the Special Operations Group of SHD, more devoted, better equipped when activated, better training, etc. and only reported to the highest ranking government official, or the one in command of said SOG group.

round sinew
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I think that's a good guess.

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Regardless of the exact details, the gist is revealed to us, and that's enough to get an idea of who they are and why we should be killing them.

median crag
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And another guess is that the Hunters aren't really out to get Agents, but keep them from areas that they shouldn't be in. I.E. Pentco, DZ in Survival, whatever location you're in during the Last Stand DLC, etc.

round sinew
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Aha, now you come to another issue

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What's canon and what isn't canon.

median crag
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That is true

round sinew
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There's no support that any of the Hunters you encounter anywhere outside of story missions actually exist in canon.

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Especially for Survival, Summit, Underground, etc.

median crag
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That is a good point, though the context of it seems to fit rather well, even if it may not be canon

round sinew
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The ones you can hunt and de-mask might be canon since you can display their masks at the base, but nobody mentions you've killed like 20 of them. And in the comm, McManus seems annoyed that Sokolova lost one.

median crag
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I think those guys are for mere collectible value and not actually canon

sick lantern
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I mean there’s no way that Survival isn’t canon

round sinew
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There's only like 3 instances of definitely canon Hunters.

  • Agent Edwards was killed by one
  • Schaeffer had one working with him
  • Jack Bonney
median crag
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Yup

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Out of those three instances, one was killed

round sinew
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2 were killed.

median crag
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Does a hunter in training count?

round sinew
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You kill the Hunter Schaeffer is with, and you kill Jack Bonney.

round sinew
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Why not?

median crag
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Okay, so two were killed

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Looking at the watches that Deceit had, and since we're including Bonney (which had none), the Hunters have capped and looted numerous agents, more than SHD is willing to admit

round sinew
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Yes

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Why do you think Kelso and the player are alone?

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Where do you think those guys in the comics went when they were last seen going to DC?

median crag
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Save data from coding AI teammates?

round sinew
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Those dudes are skin being worn by some Hunter lmao

median crag
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Pause, there's comics?

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I am missing a LOT

round sinew
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Ye. And a couple books.

median crag
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I knew the books, never knew the comics

sick lantern
round sinew
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There's a bunch of Agents that are in NYC and DC from the side material that never pop up in game.

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I figure they're all dead unless we hear otherwise

median crag
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Kinda wish we saw more of them out'n about, cause really, there's probably thousands

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And the ones we encounter are either dying, dead, or Rogue

round sinew
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Well yeah either they're all dead or we just don't see them, both of which are weird

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Division is an MMO looter shooter first, canon game second. So we have to handwave a little.

median crag
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Cause I have a feeling that if the SHD system went down, there'd be a lot more than one agent rolling up, lol

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That's true, yeah

unreal trout
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So canonically you could say anything from 1 to 4 agents is canon

round sinew
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True

unreal trout
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Also, Kelso isn't really our superior, she asks things of us just like Manny is "If you could" and so on

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It's just done this way because the player is, true Gordon Freeman style, silent

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Basically 5 agents are being deployed in Washington, with Manny as their coordinator, Sharon our Drone operator, and the other entities helping the agents

unreal trout
median crag
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True

unreal trout
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Oh, and we can't forget the other "SHD" employees we meet

median crag
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The onboarding process is kinda weak

Oh you know the DZ? Welcome aboard!

unreal trout
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The severely under-equipped "Agent" (who doesn't even have a watch) in the Sink Hole CP side mission that activates that control point, Maya Walsh (Who has a watch but is not deemed an Agent), the Agent Team in FEB generally, and Espinoza

median crag
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FEB?

unreal trout
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All of which always desastrously fail at whatever task they were given LMAO

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Federal Emergency Bunker, the Mission with Maya

median crag
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Gotcha, alright

unreal trout
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An entire Agent team was taken out there, supposedly by Outcasts

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Presumably with some help or an unfair ambush

sick lantern
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or just sheer numbers

unreal trout
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Because manny says "ThErE's nO WaY OuTCasTS CouLD hAvE TaKEN ouT aN enTiRe TeAm in A faIr figHT, iT'S nOt POSSIBLE!!!!"

median crag
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With suicide bombers and radicalism, no amount of bullets'll stop'em

trim yarrow
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Just realized I have two characters now for my story a hunter and a black tusk operative

unreal trout
median crag
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Hunter character gang

trim yarrow
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Hell yea

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Hunters rise up

median crag
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According to what's going on in game, they appear to be doing just that

trim yarrow
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Ayyy I'm with it

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I have multiple hunter pictures of multiple hunter characters I made

median crag
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Nice

sick lantern
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so what do you think the Freemen are all about

ashen jungle
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If their symbol isn't a crowbar, I'm uninstalling div2.

sick lantern
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I think one in the trailer had a crossbow that fired saw blades or something

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got sort of a construction worker aesthetic going on

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“They call themselves the Freemen, and they’re not alone”

sweet imp
median crag
lethal cedar
surreal hearth
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Goddamn outcast terrorist and their Iraq style suicide bombers

tepid ibex
trim yarrow
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After all I'm called Voidwalker

spare arrow
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Do... do we have to do this?

trim yarrow
untold blaze
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so Jack bonney was training to be a hunter

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and he tried to impress the recruiter with the marauder

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THING is

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when have you ever seen a hunter with a giant quadcopter

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that's not hunter material is it

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I think Jack bonney is full of himself and shouldn't be recruited

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if he even survived

trim yarrow
untold blaze
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I did

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that's a hypothetical

trim yarrow
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Oh so you know he died

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And apparently had a watch

untold blaze
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because he was in training

trim yarrow
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I mean even if bonney was in training I still think the recruiter was stress testing us aswell

median crag
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I think he was an agent as well, not sure

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Don't quote me, I know very little about BTSU, but it ISAC did say Agent Status when we nabbed his watch

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Still think it'd be cool to get a Hunter exotic gearset

sick lantern
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Bonney wasn’t an agent

median crag
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I wonder with The Division: Resurgence we'll get prequel knowledge on the hunters, probably not, but it'd still be cool

trim yarrow
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And kelso said it herself that "he was a agent?"

sick lantern
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one of the comms says it was given to him by the hunters or something
if he was an agent with a watch he would’ve been flagged in the ECHOs surely

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and also probably wouldn’t have been inducted in to the BTSU

trim yarrow
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Cuz I didn't see a watch on him till it popped up to grab it so idk it's definitely a mystery

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But I think the hunter might have given him a watch like you said and waited for the agents to show up as a real challenge for him to see if he's capable

trim yarrow
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And turns out our greatest threat is the hunters so this whole season is actually telling us about hunters and how they are doing or bringing something bad just have to find out what tho

late void
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no, there was a comm which said McManus had an undercover operative in BT, but not that it was Bonney - he was actually Sokolova's suggestion as a potential hunter recruit

median crag
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Yeah, McManus has Hunters embedded in BT

raw yew
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How come the agent doesn’t catch green poison going into contaminated zones ? Their skin isn’t covered and their clothes must hold whatever they come into contact with… are they showing some sort of immunity due to vaccination or they are wearing hazmat suits and we just don’t see it?

median crag
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Settle as in, it's not as prominent and not floating around as much

raw yew
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That’s one consideration, I remember a scientist or nurse saying DC-62 was capable of neutralizing the virus from being airborne but it wasn’t fully ready and they shouldn’t take half measures

median crag
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My guess is that it is still somewhat airborne, enough to where it is required to have a mask, but not so to need a full hazard suit

untold blaze
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🤣

median crag
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If it were more Hunter focused, more watches, etc.

raw yew
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Just saw it

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Why are the LMB the easiest to fight 😂

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They just stand still and allow you to pick them off

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White Tusk is a massive improvement

tepid ibex
raw yew
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I’m playing story I guess they’re different haha but the grand central mission I was just sniping and there they are standing still

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I fear the rikers the most 🤣

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This hornet agent I killed at the Russian consulate… that’s the same guy from the manhunt?

tepid ibex
tepid ibex
raw yew
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He couldn’t have put up more of a fight ? Heroic tidal basin manhunt is disgustingly hard

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I guess that’s story difficulty… but he doesn’t sound at all like Hornet from D2

tepid ibex
raw yew
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D1 the rikers are OP tho

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D1 is giving me literal chills it’s like zoning into prison break for the first time

tepid ibex
raw yew
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Wish there was more commentary from keener, all I hear is Kandell shoving orders

raw yew
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Thought it was like D2 where you could survive

tepid ibex
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But yeah when you get to a higher level and play Legendary, I think you may notice the LMB got more agility than White Tusk. White Tusk has the war dogs, drones, and are beefier (more health) but I think LMB are more agile.

raw yew
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If only you were on ps

trim yarrow
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Just send a hunter to do your work

sleek plover
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Rioters are my fav faction.

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But I have high hopes for the resurgence's freemans

raw yew
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Those guys with masks that come out in New York… are those rioters (WONY) ?

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I always thought they were bandits

unreal trout
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You mean the ones with Bow and Arrow?

raw yew
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Naw not the scavengers

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There’s dudes in grey hoodies and jeans I think that pull up outta the sewers sometimes

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Wear masks / balaclavas

unreal trout
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I know who you mean

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But I don't they really have a faction

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I know almost nothing about them honestly

sick lantern
unreal trout
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Those aren't the ones he means

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The ones he means are dressed all in grey, are very uniform looking and only have normal archetypes

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No rushers or throwers

sick lantern
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they’re just filler twats

late void
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I think they're rioters, keep finding them fighting the scavengers while rerunning story mode, they definitely have fewer hp than the main factions.

ashen jungle
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To clarify, they're not really the "Rioters" Faction from div1, just random civvies with guns.
They'll attack anyone.

crisp shuttle
unreal widget
crisp shuttle
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Sounds like a lot of the deeper lore is connected to seasonal manhunts, if I missed any of those is there a way to still get those?

crisp shuttle
untold blaze
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is it just me or does kelso seem so fed up in the new voicelines for season 9

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let me rephrase that

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the voice actress sounds really tired to me in the new voice lines

raw yew
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I think it’s frustration (internally - the character) thinking their problems are just beginning

surreal hearth
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The masked guys were firstly appeared at the beginning of division2

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Basically they were hired by the black tusk to cause a distraction in order to shutdown the divisions internal node network which renders them useless to any SHD tech

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Until you can get it back online in the pomac center

raw yew
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The scavengers?

trim yarrow
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Those are scavengers

sick lantern
trim yarrow
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People call them scavengers

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Everyone that I play with

sick lantern
median crag
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I call the hoarder Santa, cause a giant pack, and a christmas hat (nearly everytime I encounter him)

floral gull
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The voice for us the mute player

raw yew
trim yarrow
tepid ibex
untold blaze
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i mean she sounds monotone

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but if its that then it makes sense

raw yew
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Yea I can get that, it’s why I’d asked why some people seem to have rank over your agent simply because they can sound so patronizing

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Theres only despair in their voices ☠️

sweet imp
raw yew
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I just found the missing file for Aaron Keener… how does he have his watch… if he left it

sleek plover
gaunt ice
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Nah construction workers somehow being a larger threat than the lmb?what?

untold blaze
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yes

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😇

sick lantern
raw yew
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I’ve been trying to look to see if he has it on in echoes myself, especially the shoulder gear … apparently first wave / second wave New York agents have one strap and DC agents have 2

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In the found footage where he executed several Division agents who refused to side with him after he comes out of the dark zone he is wearing his watch

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It’s glowing red

sick lantern
raw yew
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I’m not sure which mission it was but he killed 3 people in the basketball court

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I’d watched the footage back, they never showed his hands or the backpack as he never really faces the camera

unreal trout
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Which footage is that? I didn't find it

sick lantern
unreal trout
lethal cedar
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think he meant the echo right before the boss fight at the end

raw yew
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The echo shows him turning tables with agents who didn’t want to help him

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The found footage shows him and who I presume to be hornet or scarecrow (the rogue agent you fight during the boss fight) - although it sounds like Hornet just coming out of the DZ after JTF pulled out

sick lantern
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I thought it was Scarecrow

tawny frost
sleek plover
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Capture a Black Tusks soldier alive, dress him in handcuffs and clown suit, have him force marched all over DC while citizens throw garbage at him.

unreal trout
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That's very middle ages

heady lake