h1-high-heat-strategies

[quiet acorn]

a lot of aspects are just too weak to afford losing boiling blood to ri3 i think

[shy plinth]

Yeah tbh I'm a bit worried that you're getting the wrong impression here @severe arch, especially as a new player. Greater reflex is way, way, way more commonly taken and is highly likely to be the meta choice until you start pushing much higher heats (45+)

This channel has a bunch of total sickos that are super duper good at the game and have been playing it for years - the 50 heat grind is real, but it's not going to translate well to the initial push up to 32

One of the big walls for learning how get to (and past) 32 is learning forced overtime and I'd bet that's gonna be way harder to do with only one dash

[severe arch]

Damn, what have I gotten myself into? Taking advice from a bunch of total sickos!

[shy plinth]

The high heat channel is for sicko containment

[severe arch]

Yes, I know, I should have known better

[shy plinth]

But yeah it's super cool to be able to talk to some of the best hades players in the world, just keep in mind that advice will be challenging to translate to a diff context

Nothing wrong with asking, just don't want you to walk away from the convo thinking there's a 50/50 split in greater vs ruthless

[severe arch]

Isn't FO easier with one dash? If the attacks are over faster and your fash stays the same length? 😂

[shy plinth]

Would guess it is like 95/5 or higher towards greater

Have you played forced overtime 2

[severe arch]

No, haha, just 1

[shy plinth]

I feel confident in saying that one dash will not feel easier

[severe arch]

Yeah, it was a bit of a joke

[shy plinth]

Asterius in particular gets real mean

[severe arch]

But also technically true, right??

[shy plinth]

If your dash is better on FO2 then two dashes is twice as better

[severe arch]

Well, I wanted to know specifically for endgame, so I guess it's the right people to ask

[shy plinth]

Though that depends on what your endgame is too

[quiet acorn]

even at the end of the endgame no one takes rr over +dash

[severe arch]

Yeah, but you can dash through 40% more attacks per dash! 😎

[shy plinth]

Like I've done 32 on every aspect and a bunch of 40s and I only take ruthless on gilga

And I'm like nowhere near the high level grinders in here

So the question is where you're going as an end goal. The 50+ grind is... something else

Takes a ton of skill, practice, and patience

[severe arch]

Yeah, true, I don't have an end goal yet, so I guess it's a bit of a curiosity question where the game hypothetically takes you

[shy plinth]

32 heat is a pretty clear goal in the game

Beyond that, up to you - no in game rewards above 32 and no particular rewards for doing it more than once

[severe arch]

Now why would you spoil that for me?

[shy plinth]

But it is fun to push the boundaries of the game more, it just becomes a different kind of thing

[severe arch]

I wanted to push to 50 and hope for rewards!

[quiet acorn]

the rewards are the friends you make along the way

[shy plinth]

Well having a 50 heat clear screenshot is a diff kind of reward

[severe arch]

You mean the sickos

[shy plinth]

That's a large bragging chip

[quiet acorn]

🥲

[severe arch]

So, do I have to give you guys nectar as well?

Can I summon you on my runs then?

[shy plinth]

Nah we go back to work tomorrow

(today?)

[severe arch]

Oh, so you only play during the holiday period?

No wonder you can't play on RR!

[shy plinth]

There's a time and place for ruthless reflex and it's called gilga

[quiet acorn]

gilga, hardly know her

[broken echo]

Good point, except I’ve only been playing for about a year and I’m already a sicko

RR can be more fun and I think on aspects that take it at 50, it will still work at 32

[broken echo]

So, if you enjoy it, you can keep it from the very beginning and it will be fine, even if GR is technically more optimal at that point

[broken echo]

Incredible math

I will say that the triggering of RR feels more natural at FO2

[prime burrow]

I used RR only on Gilgamesh lol

[severe arch]

Yeah, I agree that it feels much better! One thing I didn't really enjoy about Hades for a long time is that it doesn't really incentivize you to learn enemy patterns really well. It's much easier to just dash away from everything with 2+ dashes and the game doesn't really punish this kind of behaviour. Now with only one dash and the forced changes in my gameplay I feel like I'm much more in control and everything feels much less chaotic

[broken echo]

Love to hear that

[broken echo]

You might also really enjoy fresh file then

Lots of being patient and learning enemy patterns

[ashen garnet]

FO2 RR timings are also inconsistent because some patterns are affected by FO, some are not, others are capped to be iframe-able with 1dash. Also believe that RR/near-misses windows are not affected by FO, making it much easier to maintain a high uptime, particularly in packed rooms

RR can benefit/synergize from more different hermes boons than GR, like greater evasion and second wind (requires a call) and makes the most out of Hyper Sprint and the hypothetical Rush Delivery

But yeah basically RR/monodash is most of the time suboptimal and a much bigger learning commitment than GR

[severe arch]

That's interesting, so it's basically high risk/high reward

[severe arch]

And maybe if you really commit to it, it might benefit you in the long run

Unless it's really suboptimal

By being too slow

[broken echo]

The synergies with other boons are kinda minimal with AP2 since you’re just praying for damage boons

In that case, RR and earring are the risky way to basically have any flat damage build have some damage

[ashen garnet]

AP2 kinda 50+ issue though

[broken echo]

Tiny is specifically asking about that sort of endgame situation

[sly cove]

tasing would be sick but doesnt exist

[surreal heron]

^we do have routing which allows us to seed/savescum out runs but aside from that yeah we don't have tas tools unfortunately

[broken echo]

The main issue is that engine side there is always some rng in spawn patterns

Even with runcontrol afaik

[sly cove]

is there any way you can set the seeding for all rng

i assume its been tried tho

[surreal heron]

the run control mod is probably the closest we have

otherwise it's mostly just trial and error on a specific save

[severe arch]

I have now

And funnily I still had RR

Cause I wasn't really paying attention

Luckily Hermes gifted me a second dash 😁

[shy plinth]

Nice lol

How was it

[severe arch]

Well, I was also trying Lambent Plume for the first time

Plus a weird new hammer I never really used

I struggled at the beginning, then decided to focus on the increased speed only 😁

Once I got to Elysium I was doing pretty fine

Didn't even lose any more death defiances from then to the end 😎

[shy plinth]

Not bad

Keep it up

[severe arch]

Honestly, I think that's pretty great about this game

I feel so motivated to try new builds every run

Which can get a bit dangerous

Lol

[shy plinth]

So many things can work

[prime burrow]

What is the recommended pact for 40 heat Beowulf? I try to avoid EM4 and FO2 but not much else to go around

I did 35 max before

[severe arch]

Oh, and my build was a complete mess, so when things don't work, you can still win, as long as you don't use Tight Deadline

[shy plinth]

I mean even with TD you can get there with some pretty sus stuff

[severe arch]

Oh, I did some sus stuff this run

Out of desperation

I equipped the Bone Hourglass and bought everything from the wells

Then refreshed the wells and bought more

Lol

[shy plinth]

That's not a bad plan

[severe arch]

I'm sure that's a common strategy, but I've never thought of it before 😁

[shy plinth]

I don't know if I'd call it common but it's a reasonable plan to take hourglass before elysium, buy from the ely well, go through, buy from the styx well, then swap

[severe arch]

Yes, that's exactly what I did

It was all improvised

But I managed to enter the final fight with like 8 buffs remaining 😂

[forest token]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1005718034138267678/unknown.png?ex=67797828&is=677826a8&hm=ca45fcd4e57ac9ff8dab8a5e50f462cc01d4d5689a6d8bad0cd27b0261dc7c06&

You can do like cf2 js1 or take ap1 to lower some of the other stuff but this is pretty much the ideal 40

If you do end up taking ap1, you can consider doing passion flare + snow burst with pstatus

Or frost strike or mistral dash if snow burst doesn't appear lmao

[forest token]

It's common for speedrunning on castpects but for heat it's generally only taken if you're good at combats and don't need acorn

[sly cove]

gotta go fo2 imo

[forest token]

And the well is a good take

[broken echo]

Em4 can be rough because you lose iframes when your casts are popping

But basically anything except RI3/4 is technically viable

Would avoid AP and DC

[prime burrow]

Yeah died to Dad last night with EM4 and FO2 lol

[grim crater]

What would be the best strategy to escape with 16 heat? Or just beat it

Best weapon and gods and stuff

No images?

Oops

This is y'alls fault for not allowing to send images

Chiron it is

[rain badger]

Get you Merciful End with the Shield of Zeus

Ares attack and Athena Special or viceversa

[grim crater]

I'll try it next time

Chiron seems to be working

[rain badger]

Bonus: Impending Doom and Dire Misfortune

[strong palm]

you can use links via sending an image to another server, and copying that link. i know you can use imgur but the first solution is easier imo

[strong palm]

pls no for 16 heat

[grim crater]

Yes

It doesn't seem to be that bad

[strong palm]

just do shield or rail and you'll be good

[grim crater]

I'll do shield next time for high heat

[strong palm]

every other aspect is better, hera is a good top pick, zag bow is simple good damage, 4th bow aspect is really really good

It is absolutely clearable, especially at 16 but you're better off running 32 on zeus shield

[grim crater]

Yea I'll try it with that next

I might die

I don't have heart rend yet

Rip

I might die

Lol

[strong palm]

no worries

[grim crater]

Yea I died

Very very slow weapon

Means I can try the shield now

[forest token]

Chiron is fine for like everything

[bleak grotto]

Emphasis on fine

[sly cove]

p much anything will work

[sly cove]

chiron more like uh idk didnttryron

[upper juniper]

…that’s the problem with chiron

[south violet]

Mfw the damage falls off not in ely, not in asphodel, but as early as furies

[broken echo]

yeah

i still timeout 🙏

[rain badger]

Why do we hate chiron? It's the only bow I like (aside from the 4th one which I haven't used enough)

[surreal heron]

Just difficulty especially for crowd control at the higher end of heat (50ish-60)

And it really requires the right hammers to actually get started so it can make tight deadline painful.

[forest token]

Lack of crowd control and the damage takes a bit to actually be dealt bc of the animation and travel time

And also needing the initial hit

Makes it incredibly slow

And for heat you kinda need things to die fast bc of tight deadline

It's good for like below 40 heat as long as you don't take bad pacts basically

There's better aspects ofc but it'll still work fine

[sinful zodiac]

Chiron cc: I sleep
Chiron boss: REAL 💩

[quiet acorn]

wrong boss

[sinful zodiac]

Lowkey second best bow into em4

Rama is just broken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12c6o7wXwDA

great single target damage, recharge call like a boss

[strong palm]

please don't slander hera like this again

[sinful zodiac]

I'm talking about something 50+ heat, should have provided more context

hera pass 50+ heat is just sad

[quiet acorn]

[broken echo]

Either relentless or concentrated volley should be built in to make it a viable aspect

[south violet]

High heat hera is kinda eeeeeeh, it's hard-countered by the beefed-up enemies and any amount of blue hearts

Unmodded chiron 50 still sucks more than unmodded hera 50 though imo, chiron is one of the 5 aspects I have yet to 50heat for a reason

[south violet]

(A reason aside from "I suck" lmao)

[ivory drum]

Chiron Stinky 😌

[sly cove]

just wallbug every time

[severe arch]

Okay, now I did EM4 for the first time and I beat it first try 😎 It was thanks to your warning though, I brought 350 health and three dashes + 40% speed increase or something 😁

Can't say I enjoyed the darkness though

[broken echo]

Good stuff!

[south violet]

Less of a High-Heat Strategy & more of a grinding darkness to get through the Ranks strategy.
Sir, this is a Wendy's the high heat channel

[willow vault]

• cries in no second monitor *

[bleak grotto]

Aw. If you can, you should get a nice, cheap one!

[broken echo]

i play podcasts or music

[forest token]

Tape your phone to the wall to watch youtube

[bleak grotto]

Bananas, you're a genius!

[willow vault]

gonna try this one

[willow vault]

All my saving went into the gpu

That RTX 4060 wasn't gonna buy itself

[bleak grotto]

Too bad you probably aren't near me. I have a spare cheap monitor!

[willow vault]

Unless you wanna travel all the way to Argentina

Anyway

Even thought I'm not near you thank you for the offering

[sly cove]

just get a phone kickstand

or like those pop out things work as one

and theyre usually super cheap tmk

the place i used to work at had one for a dollar

[willow vault]

I got myself a little phone stand beside my monitor

Used it to play music

[sly cove]

W

[quiet acorn]

Watch every single marvel movie for the best experience

[upper juniper]

Phone works

or book

hold the odyssey in one hand and controller in the other

[delicate knoll]

i recommend Percy Jackson

goated book series

[surreal heron]

Tried that, it nearly caught fire (had to do that for online exams - luckily the exam finished before the phone overheated)

[forest token]

Lmfao amazing

[bleak grotto]

Phone on the Pact of Punishment

[quiet acorn]

🤨

[willow sleet]

Hi - curious, i have 32 done with all weapons and have 40 done with 1 weapon, should I learn 45, 50, or try 40 all weapons

[sly cove]

dont go straight to 50 ts pain 😭

which one do you feel like u wanna

i ended up doing 50 and 40 all weps

[south violet]

If you can do 50 on one aspect, you can do 45 all weps tbh

[broken echo]

If you really vibe with an aspect, you can push for 50+ without really messing with other stuff

But if you want to be well rounded, 40 all and 50 all is a reasonable way to go about it

[quiet acorn]

all of the above

[sly cove]

idk

i could probably with enough grinding but like

i suck at achilles

iirc i went for crystal clarity in my 40 and

45 rng barrier is pretty bad

but 50 beo also took me forever

[south violet]

Oh I wasn't gonna recommend achilles

GY athenaspin is not too difficult comparatively

[sly cove]

o

[surreal heron]

Would personally recommend starting with 45 then 50 then go back to all weapons 40, although would also recommend trying what's initially easiest (whether that's all weapons 40 or 45-> or something else)

[surreal heron]

"Oh hey there's a new message in high-heat-strategies"
stickybot: "This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to the penis explosion room to have your penis exploded immediately."

[cursive portal]

Giwtwm

[dry harbor]

Free bottom surgery?

[willow sleet]

What do you like for bow builds for high heat?

[broken echo]

Aphro attack and divine dash

Rama likes hunter dash

Twin is usually best

Triple explosive goes hard though

Point blank and perfect are good too

[sly cove]

dont the 4 bows all build differently

i basically only rama so

[broken echo]

i mean, chiron can do attack or special based

hera could probably do attack or cast

[sly cove]

ur not running hera without cast

its hera

[forest token]

depending on the heat it depends lmao

for very high heats you kinda just suffer if you build the cast

[sly cove]

fr?

so what

u run it as level 0 zagbow

[forest token]

more or less

its why hera isn't good at heat lmao

iirc some people take stygian and get a damage boost every 3 secs lol

bc like your cast just stays stuck since nothing dies

you can probably make a funny build with like some good attack with trippy flare for aoe/damage lmao

with stygian

[sly cove]

lmao

trippy hera

cope trippy beo

[sudden wing]

from what heat is AP2 used usually?

[quiet acorn]

50+

[sly cove]

ap2 sucks

put it off as long as u can

[sudden wing]

yeah that's the plan

probably gonna avoid AP1 too until 40

[upper juniper]

Real

[sly cove]

ye

i think i did 40 with ap0

but ap1 is fine

oops

ap2 is so trash

cringe bot

[upper juniper]

the biggest difference between 58 heat without ap2 and 64 heat with ap2 is purely luck 🗿

[sly cove]

true

what are u even doing with 58 ap0 tho

😭😭

[upper juniper]

64 heat without the rng issues

[sly cove]

i should come back to the game

[upper juniper]

Sure you could grind out 400 billion runs with ap2 on or have all the same difficulty modifiers bar the single one that makes your rng horrid

[sly cove]

ive played a bit of hades 2

havent played hades 1 in forever

[sly cove]

the rng is part of the game

smh

[upper juniper]

Same but without the playing hades 2 part

[sly cove]

s/o the part where you have 3 options to open pstatus and the game refuses to ever give u a single one

[sudden wing]

I started a month ago and getting into high heat (32 done for now) and the dedication of the high heat players is really impressive

[sly cove]

being able to like fish dd refills is actually like gamechanging tho

an extra life on dad goes crazy

[upper juniper]

I heard my goat ||hermes|| doesn’t make an appearance and that can only mean it’s a slow game so 😔

[sly cove]

nah hes there

[upper juniper]

What

oh

wait

[sly cove]

best girl gets downgraded to a hermeslike tho

[upper juniper]

Bouldy has what happen to ‘em?

[sly cove]

i didnt actually pay attention if bouldys still there

he might be but idts

[sly cove]

with athena

[upper juniper]

I was confused as to which game u were talking about atp

[sly cove]

ngl why doesnt someone just start resetting for chaos defiance

is this the same deal with resetting for purple dashes but worse

[quiet acorn]

58 with ap1 still uses defiances

[surreal heron]

Nah Banana's wrong, potential wr hunting starts with cast and builds up on a cast build - with infernal soul.

[sly cove]

ok

[surreal heron]

^in regards to chaos defiances, you can only get them after your first chaos boon and even then they're not game changing.

[sly cove]

ik theyre only on second chaos lol

[south violet]

Current unmodded hera heat wr runs aphro cast. Athena cast or poseidon cast builds have also been shown to work. Attack-strats are viable as proven by the modded wr, and feels weaker (but more consistent due to less Damage Control problems) to play on average

[broken echo]

Yeah there’s some incredible players here 🙏

[broken echo]

59 ap0 is 64 without ap, usually the more chill version of max heat for some aspects

[cursive portal]

ap1 has caused me more psychic damage than ap2

because you're like "okay surely the boon i need wont get crossed out"

66% chance

and then it gets crossed out

every single time

ap2 is like "this is never gonna happen but it would be cool if it did"

and when it does happen its great

[quiet acorn]

it does happen?

[cursive portal]

you trade off consistent meh for dopamine highs

[quiet acorn]

[willow sleet]

Does the sack rng stay the same

If you quit during a run

And reattempt the same seed

[broken echo]

not if you start from the beginning

but almost everything about the run will change except the first few chambers

[sly cove]

just play modded

free 2sack

[willow sleet]

If you hold attack then dash, do you still get iframes from the dash

[ivory drum]

no

[wraith wind]

How do I get faster? I am currently averaging at 22-23 minutes which won't fly for tight deadline 3

[broken echo]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16aaLsNytmQFv9JCJN4huTzGqQAREDGezD_fkQe5b4Ms/mobilebasic

Follow this, play well, and have a good build

What aspect are you on?

[wraith wind]

I am doing Hera

[broken echo]

Crush shot hera and pom crush shot as much as possible

You can also post a vod for review in the speedrunning server

Or here if it’s a YouTube video

[wraith wind]

I am doing td3 for clearing 32 heat
Would it be a bad idea if I did td2 and JS3?

[broken echo]

Could do that too

I would personally do js0 for hera because im bad at it

[wraith wind]

I'll try both and see

[shy sandal]

I use td2 for 32h

Iirc my pact is:
HL2
LC4
JS2
EM3
BP2
MM
UC
FO2
TD2

[wraith wind]

Damn
FO2 is destroying me

[broken echo]

On the bright side you only have to get used to it once

[wraith wind]

This is going to take a lot of practice

Maybe jumping from 20 directly to 32 wasn't a good idea

[shy sandal]

I think it's an okay idea, I did roughly the same

though I was already using fo1 so I was a bit used to it

but now fo2 just feels very natural

[south violet]

@daring osprey people love having rolls, it makes situations where one's moveset is bricked less common because one may just roll instead

[daring osprey]

i have decided to not try for a higher heat without the onion mod it just makes runs so much less rng

[south violet]

Yeaaaaah

(Your nickname tracks)

[daring osprey]

my vanilla boonless mirrorless runs have instilled within me a deep seething hatred for hermes

come get your mandatory reset:3

[south violet]

Same lmao I did some boonless mirrorless attempts yesterday out of curiosity and instantly regretted the idea. Hermes bricked at least one of the runs

I think most I'll ever do will be 45 boonless (but with mirror)

[daring osprey]

its rly fun once you get used to it

its so much more simple than regular hades

much less to keep track of

2 hammers and hp

[south violet]

Sorry I don't see the appeal, but to each their own ig

I have played with low boon amounts for freshfile though (pb/wr: 1)

[daring osprey]

fresh file?

[south violet]

First-run of the file

[daring osprey]

oh

thats neat

[south violet]

Hence my nickname

[daring osprey]

it does infact fit

i wanna beat boonless mirrorless 52 and then ill retire hestia but i would have to learn a different aspect at that point and hestia is basically all i have known xd

[south violet]

fair, it feels really good

Just know nearly every aspect in hades has a distinct rhythm to it that can be fun to learn and perfect

[ashen garnet]

Apart from runs often being bricked by Hermes I find boonless great to increase difficulty without worrying much about your build

[sly cove]

js is so trash

[sly cove]

i jumped 16 to 32

just get good

[upper juniper]

Should’ve been Matty

8->32

wait, no shot, a message in high heat strategies that’s actually recent?

[sly cove]

lmao

[upper juniper]

Real gamers pull one of these

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1250564469650886726/0389D341-64F1-46E7-BB9A-C2D5FF848DE4.jpg?ex=67a67ceb&is=67a52b6b&hm=c6cd2c155953170ef01254fc0058400477d60b1d7e57ef5943fdc3578acbe6b2&

[sly cove]

me but w eris

tart splitting

lmao

oh wait

is that 0-32

damn

[upper juniper]

Yes

Ff -> 32 speedrun for the funny victory screen

although I did know a guy who had a more insane legit victory screen

#h1-victory-boasting message

[sly cove]

ah

[upper juniper]

Check the other dude, his was without ever having done 32 heat before

[sly cove]

wtf

[upper juniper]

Right?

[wraith wind]

Do I go for chaos rooms at 32 heat?

[broken echo]

Yeah

Unless AP2 and no rolls

Early tart you can avoid because it can mess with hammer spawns, but very nice in elysium

Esp c33/34

[leaden thicket]

Unless you are an extremely good player, you will probably not lose much more health there than you would in an ordinary chamber beyond around tartarus, so yes

[sly cove]

if the question is do i go for chaos rooms the answer is yes

[eager walrus]

Hey, i've been troubleshooting the "The Useless Trinket" achievement. I just beat a run at Ante 8, and while I'm aware its unlocked by unveiling the status near Skelly's area in the game, they haven't appeared yet. I've previously done this achievement on PS, but this is occuring on the Steam version. Any knowings of something I've done wrong or is this a bug?

[left prism]

Someone played balatro recently

[shy plinth]

I think you're in the wrong channel, #h1-tech-support is where to ask probably

You probably just have to clear more runs though

My guess would be it's after your 10th win

[broken echo]

ante 8 is real

statues should unlock after first clear...

[broken echo]

probably a bug unfortunately

try doing a run and winning/dying

[south violet]

No, no they do not afaik

[south violet]

I know that in fftc/low% the statues don't ever appear, so there must be more requirements than just "unlock pact".

[cursive portal]

Ante 8😭

I'm gonna start calling it that

[jaunty falcon]

Just beat heat 39 💪

[broken echo]

Yeah seems like it’s main story

[upper juniper]

Probably need the dialogue from the man himself no? They actually need to physically be imported first

[sly cove]

ante 8 🔥

[wraith wind]

The game keeps giving me Alceto

Feel like I'm getting her more than Megaera and Tisiphone combined

[sly cove]

at least she doesnt lose u time

[delicate knoll]

is it viable to run fo2 for a 32 heat arthur run?

[forest token]

it's doable

[shy plinth]

You can do fo2 for any 32 really

[forest token]

kinda up to you for that yeah

if you're already used to fo2 timing but not too familiar with arthur timing, you could do fo1 and take the 3 heat somewhere else

or you can just do fo2 anyways and figure out the arthur timing

[delicate knoll]

yeah I've been running fo2 since i started playing again

fo2 em3 td1 is the minimum heat i run

[forest token]

if you're using the speedrun modpack, fo2 is really easy if you force double edge on arthur

[shy plinth]

Good practice, you should basically never turn off fo2 at this point

[delicate knoll]

I'm not modding no

fo1 sounds like a good idea I'll keep that in mind

[shy plinth]

If you're already used to fo2, leave fo2 on

Retraining muscle memory is brutal

[delicate knoll]

it is 💀

[forest token]

yeah i'd just keep fo2 on and use the same pact you've been running if it doesn't have dc on it

[delicate knoll]

yeah i only run dc with fast weapons

[forest token]

fo2 on all aspects isn't too much of a problem, you can typically get around just fine

[delicate knoll]

eh ok I'll try my default 32 pact later and just see how it goes

[shy plinth]

HL1 LC4 CF0 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 TD3 I think

That's the 32 I'd recommend for most folks if you're doing fo2

[south violet]

Agree with everything but cf0 because there are still several ways to play around the lesser amount of shop-purchases, but maybe I'm biased

Even on the needy aspects you'll usually be fine as long as you try to have 270+ obols by one of the shops

[shy plinth]

CF0 is like having everything on sale all the time for free

It's a really big hit to how many total boons you can actually get and on 32 heat there's so much pact flexibility - not really sure where else we'd rather get the heat from if we're already committed to FO2

The FO0 pacts usually go HL5 CF2

[ashen garnet]

Tend to think that CF1 is better if you only buy from mid and end shops and CF0 if you plan on getting many well-of-charon items.
Not sure how (un)accessible obols management is for a first 32 though

[shy plinth]

It's 32 so you can really do whatever, but man cf0 is fun. You can just buy boons every shop

Like if we're choosing between CF1 and HL1 I'll take HL

[ashen garnet]

If you plan on using Arthur's aura and/or having main core boons from Aphrodite, picking higher HL can be a thing too

[sly cove]

dump it into hl

im pretty sure my firsr 32 was hl5 fo2

cuz im cracked like that

[shy plinth]

I woudl not recommend that for most people lol

[delicate knoll]

my brother in zeus this is the 7th aspect I'll be doing 32 on

and yeah I'll very likely take hl over cf

[clever otter]

cf was the easiest for me starting out

but buying boons is cool :)

[delicate knoll]

also makes underworld customs completely irrelevant

[broken echo]

Really depends on the aspect but cf feels much easier than hl to me

[delicate knoll]

yeah definitely aspect dependant, i steamrolled hestia 40 run with hl5 while just BARELY finishing poseidon 32 with hl3

[sly cove]

they should get good

[quiet acorn]

do teach

[delicate knoll]

well thanks for all your advice folks, just finished 32 zag sword which makes it the last sword aspect

[willow sleet]

I'm having a lot of trouble with sword on 40, I'm doing nemesis and just aiming for aphro attack - any suggestions?

[forest token]

getting athena in there somewhere would help

ideally dash but special is good too

get the double edge hammer

if you dont already know, the ideal sword combo is special -> 2x dash strikes -> repeat

otherwise you kinda just have to be careful about enemies as always, the build is pretty straight forward

what's your pact actually

[jaunty falcon]

Merciful end prob the easiest way of doing it

[delicate knoll]

arty attack worked for me at 32, the crit chance seems to stack. get heart rend too and it'll be pretty good

[broken echo]

Athena attack is best above 32 tbh

Just way safer and you can take AP without stressing about hitting divine dash

[quiet acorn]

id rather start aphro

athena attack isnt doing anything if its not epic

[broken echo]

neither is aphro

if we're concerned about rarity, we should be starting arty or zeus anyways

[forest token]

Aphro rare is fine

[broken echo]

Athena rare is also fine

[forest token]

That's considerably worse than Aphrodite rare tho

[surreal heron]

True but deflect damage is sizable (as seen with angel's 60 nem)

[broken echo]

Also with Athena you can play a lot more unga bunga

[surreal heron]

^yup

although having things weakened also lets you unga bunga but athena allows more unga bunga

[quiet acorn]

always felt aphro was safer

[shy sandal]

I had luck going for smair on nemesis, though that was 32h

[delicate knoll]

so how does one properly play achilles

did a chill 20 run and it just seems like a bad combination of nemesis and poseidon

what am i doing wrong

[south violet]

Achilles zooms around the map and is thus really hard to play. It also needs flurry jab to feel remotely good to play.

[broken echo]

start tidal dash, look for flurry jab, and just mash

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/edit
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18uZziGYDyVCwc-XgcveoY8MXp6Lwq0BD6xDV38cuYWo/edit#heading=h.pkvqdq6q4ms5

[delicate knoll]

thanks 👍, managed to win despite a 4 sack, 12 seconds left on timer 🥶

only guan yu left

[broken echo]

Nice

Charged skewer is the boring build

Take Athena attack with quick and massive spin

Very fun

Ap0 hl0

[delicate knoll]

wait the healing bypasses lc?

OH MY GOD IT DOES LMFAO

[delicate knoll]

lc4 with guan yu and i only died once , 32 done first try

went with the boring build though 😔

[broken echo]

Yeah

It beat 64 like that

[delicate knoll]

how in the name of GOD is chaos shield supposed to be played

my dps is so low i had to do td2 because i died to time at champions fight

[ivory drum]

Charged Shot hammer

[delicate knoll]

what boons/hammers should i go for

[ivory drum]

That's it

That's the whole build

Get Aphro attack

[delicate knoll]

charged shot aphro attack
I'll give it a try 👍

[broken echo]

Athena is good too

[delicate knoll]

didn't get charged shot just skilled through it with aphro attack

[broken echo]

Not super ideal since the base attack damage is really low

But yeah it works

[delicate knoll]

definitely the worst aspect for 32 so far

but I haven't tried gilgamesh yet 😨

[broken echo]

It’s pretty ok with cshot

Record is 62

Gilga is fine at 32 still. You can get away with ME or run a tidal dash forward build

[upper juniper]

This assumes that Chaos Shield was ever meant to be played

[shy sandal]

I usually get dio on special or ares on special

I think ares was the one with which I cleared 32h?

then you can continue into ME

but it's not mandatory\

[broken echo]

chaos special build is a pain i wouldn't wish upon anyone

[shy sandal]

It really wasn't that bad

you know what let's do it again

32h special chaos build

[broken echo]

ait

[shy sandal]

I'll go ares/ME

[broken echo]

i mean it just falls off really hard and you can't block when your specials are out

cshot 🙏

[shy sandal]

I rarely block anyways

I'll skip cshot as a matter of principle

[shy plinth]

If you're doing this, why go special?

Just do ME and play scuffed fists

More than good enough for 32

Ares attack, athena on special and dash, run cleared

[shy sandal]

Since the special is good at applying doom to lots of enemies

[shy plinth]

If you like. I'd rather play a melee shield that plays like fists - never have to press the special button

Guess it depends if you're just going for a clear or if you specifically want to do chaos special

[shy sandal]

I mean this was a very chill 32h clear for me

I'll try it again to prove that it's not bad

[broken echo]

32 doesn't prove much tbf

50 maybe

[shy sandal]

I mean I'm not proving it's good, just usable, and 32h feels like a good benchmark since many people take it as a standard

• I'm not sure if I could clear 50 even on good weapons since I'm not that good

[broken echo]

if you can clear 32 on chaos doom special, there's no doubt in my mind that you can do 50

[shy sandal]

Maybe it was due to ME, I'll try doing this run without it

We'll see

[shy sandal]

#h1-victory-boasting

[sly cove]

special chaos is mickey asf bro

[obsidian saffron]

Any tips for a 1st Hades final boss with high heat?

[broken echo]

Have a good build and practice the fight with savestates

[delicate knoll]

best tip for hades is to just learn his attacks
once you can dodge everything, the only hard part about his fight is the summons since they throw you off rythm

[obsidian saffron]

Are his attacks that much different from his base version?

[broken echo]

oh you mean EM4

it's a much harder fight that you should specifically practice

[delicate knoll]

ok yeah em4 is way harder

the biggest em4 problems you need to learn to deal with:
p1 summons are even MORE worse
p2 mix-ups between spear throws and spins are real dangerous specially with fo2
p3 instant laser attack when coming out of his darkness form can delete a defiance in under a second

generally make sure you don't get too far away from the two stone columns throughout the fight, especially in phase 3

[broken echo]

Anyone trynna beat 50 heat for the first time

[hoary pasture]

me

[broken echo]

60?

[hoary pasture]

50 is plenty, my highest is 45

[broken echo]

oh mb, i thought you had done 50 for some reason

very nice. what aspect?

[ivory drum]

Lmao

[hoary pasture]

I would feel bad if you actually spent time trying to help me get it lol. I have a few 50s ye

Im a beo one trick

Tried 60 quite a bit and choked it

[broken echo]

oh lmao ye that's what i thought

[broken echo]

very understandabl

could still go for dc0 58

[hoary pasture]

Maybe one day

RI is rough on beo

[broken echo]

just fishing for people to populate the high heat channel in speedcord

oh yeah fs, esp without rush iframes

[hoary pasture]

understandable

Should bring back barrel rolling

[broken echo]

Wdym

[south violet]

dread emoji

[hoary pasture]

There was a community challenge done here where ppl were basically one upping each other lol. So if you posted a 32 heat clear id post a 33 heat clear and barrel roll you etc and so on

If you had lots of participants and started at a low number you can get people interested when the number goes up and it becomes too difficult for most

[broken echo]

Ahh very nice

[broken echo]

It’s better than 60

Dw this isn’t the dc0 61 I was proposing

[broken echo]

I’m down to start this

[sly cove]

maybe after i finish persona 3 reload

[delicate knoll]

i will probably put some attempts in with the stronger aspects once I'm done with 32 allspects

first i have to properly learn em4 and get the modpack running

[quiet acorn]

🤣🤣🤣

[forest token]

i should do a 50 heat run without any warm up from months of not playing

last played nov 7th lmao

[hoary pasture]

You probably still got it

Unless you let me choose the pact

[hoary pasture]

There was a role called hades monthly challenge but it’s long gone now. You can probably find the challenge archived somewhere in #h1-builds-and-combat

Maybe if you want it to make it more interesting for both sides you should restrict changing the pact. So if I do a run with HL1 you need to run with atleast HL1 too. Otherwise i can imagine starting at 5 heat and high heat players being uninterested because it takes like 20 runs for it to be remotely challenging lol

If the pact is restricted you’ll have someone run with RI3 at 6 heat and there you go now you have to run it too

[delicate knoll]

start with ri4

[broken echo]

don't give me ideas 🗿

also i think that would prevent a lot of people from participating unfortunately

i'll do a 32H run tonight to start it perhaps

[forest token]

i'm so beo pilled i took braid of atlas on zeus shield

and i bought the random thing in the well

and was so excited about the braid i got from that

then i remembered im playing zeus

i even took hourglass

[broken echo]

crazy work

[forest token]

there was a touch of styx that's why i took hourglass tbf

but like

imagine beo

at least this crystal beam is putting in work

[sly cove]

thatd be fun but maybe u start from a semistandard 32 instead

[sly cove]

sheist

[forest token]

welp i died to heroes and timer lmao

[olive knot]

i hacked it

[broken echo]

Elaborate

[olive knot]

the jyms

[broken echo]

🫡

[delicate knoll]

so what's the best lucifer build

i keep hearing people call it the super soaker so i tried a poseidon build and it's going pretty well but the hammers are confusing

[broken echo]

super soaker is a meme build

the two strong builds are zeus attack+jolted and look for big % on special(arty>aphro>athena) or start arty on special and look for flat damage on attack(zeus>dio?ares)

[delicate knoll]

i got sea storm bruh that was NOT a meme build

zeus attack jolted sounds nice, will try that for the 32 heat run

which of the hammers should i look out for?

[broken echo]

always triple bomb

[broken echo]

i mean yeah it's ok, but it's a longer path to zeus attack+jolted

[neon sphinx]

Rocket bomb+the one that spreads the bombs, if you stand in front of enemies it can nuke them

[upper juniper]

You can’t even get rocket bomb or cluster bomb on lucifer

[neon sphinx]

Yeah you have to do a different aspect for that

[upper juniper]

They were talking… specifically about lucifer

[neon sphinx]

Oops

[broken echo]

the chad drop into every channel, reply with misinformation, and leave

🙏

[neon sphinx]

The builds and combat one wasn’t misinformation

Just not the best build

[broken echo]

yeah i know i'm mostly joking. i just thought it was funny

[quiet acorn]

based

[sly cove]

eris lite with triple bomb instead of clockets

more fun imo

[bitter fossil]

egg percent grind has started 🗣️

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/111685208838791168/1346686803993952297/image.png?ex=67c91752&is=67c7c5d2&hm=cb3474b4097d9ddce72c73a8c5f07adeab8f9728a0efd07bee43396c8c2462e0&

[final jasper]

https://youtu.be/ekRTAh0pziU?si=UIuN8Ax9o1zFW5Rc

This is too funny not to share 🔥

[delicate knoll]

58 heat strat 🤯

[ivory drum]

Lmao

That’s incredible

Should have gone for Arty attack tho

[final jasper]

What's stopping it from being a 64 heat run ah yes, tight deadline

[bitter fossil]

lmfaoooo this is so good

any execution drills to do with zeus shield for high heat?

im tempted to try to run 61 heat just to get healing

but at the same time i dont want to get used to have the heals carry me

[broken echo]

what's the highest you've done

[bitter fossil]

max ive beaten so far is 35

[broken echo]

is 64 your goal?

[bitter fossil]

yes

[broken echo]

ok chill same here

i would do 40, 50, 54, and then up to 62 in 2 heat increments

Can give recommended pacts for all of those

[bitter fossil]

had to start a new hell file cause i was playing in baby mode

[broken echo]

are you on PC?

or steam deck

[bitter fossil]

yes i play keyboard and mouse

pc

[broken echo]

there's a modpack you can download to toggle hell mode and it comes with a bunch of other QOL stuff that's highly recommended for pushing past 50

i can link it and a mod to make your first boon epic if you want

[bitter fossil]

what ive noticed at least in the aphro special 63 heat modded run and the 64 heat one by angelic is a lot of bulrush dash start charging another one

[broken echo]

yeah

[bitter fossil]

ah the one that also lets u pick ER at the start right?

[broken echo]

charged shot is a run killer btw, i noticed you had it on your 35

[bitter fossil]

ahhh

[broken echo]

the modpack will force your first hammer to be whatever you want

[bitter fossil]

yeah feels like ill be really bad for movility

[broken echo]

(ER in this case(

ye

[bitter fossil]

also had one with PB i think and didnt felt too bad

[broken echo]

theres another mod where you can roll seeds until you get one with a hammer start

[bitter fossil]

but maybe is me just beiong bad

[broken echo]

it feels really bad once you push higher

the iframes are really core for safety

[broken echo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biv2Ko82qwA

[bitter fossil]

yeah makes perfect sense

everything does mad damage

[broken echo]

not to toot my own horn too much, but i would say my tartarus play is pretty close to optimal and the dad fight is a safe way to play it

honestly the best way to get better at zeus is to just play it more. there's a lot of pathing and timing that you have to pick up by playing a lot

[bitter fossil]

ive noticed while playing typical noob mistake

not going for the shop even with no money

🦀

good thing by doing egg gaming i figured out fast extra enemy curse is an instant lose

[ivory drum]

ye

Roiling insta kills the run

[bitter fossil]

ah where do i get the seeding mods?

nvm i got it

[south violet]

(idkman er kinda hard 😔)

[broken echo]

For the room skip lol

[broken echo]

True

[bitter fossil]

every time i block with the shield that meme story comes to mind

"marvel players discover blocking"

[upper juniper]

There are a lot of tips for using Zeus lying around in here somewhere

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

Found it

Took me a while because the account was deleted

A lot of it is how 2 handle elysium but there are also general tips

Dude was a really good zeus player but cannot remember his name

[broken echo]

Baj

First 64 ever

Very funny sudden rush run

He’s still active on speedcord btw. Focused on h2 fffr

[south violet]

Went and cleared h1 ff twice or so as well

[shy plinth]

Are we Bajposting

Love a Baj

[bitter fossil]

|is there a way to get the starting boon selector to actually take into account aproval process or i just gotta pray?

[broken echo]

If you use the modpack it should give you all cores

The modpack and boom selector are compatible

[bitter fossil]

ah i only got ellos one

what else do i need?

[broken echo]

Speedrunning modpack linked under the resources tab on speedrun.clm

[bitter fossil]

idk whats happening exactly but each time i get a hammer is piercing shot

cursed to clear 64 with PS

[broken echo]

oh wait

you have to set your starting hammer

press b and then go to the mod menu

and scroll through the windows until you get to the hammer select screen

[bitter fossil]

i only see the set starting boon button

were do i access the mod menu?

nvm i see the button now

[upper juniper]

The starting boon selector actually accounting for approval process would just make starting your run an rngfest no?

[delicate knoll]

https://youtu.be/Osnijisn1bI?si=RGNEOJHKwZa7z8-t

what do we think chat?

[forest token]

Average PlayAd moment lmfao

But incredibly insane

[delicate knoll]

hades fight was crazy good

[quiet acorn]

waiting for unm eris 62

[south violet]

dread emoji

[quiet acorn]

definitely wont be the hardest thing hes done

[south violet]

True

[surreal heron]

Well Playad was one of the few people capable of doing this, it's a masterclass in Rama gameplay and the most shocking thing is that someone had the patience to actually do it.

[south violet]

"Masterclass" is an understatement, it's a f###ing doctorate at this point

[surreal heron]

I'll stop glazing people that I chat with but seriously, the gameplay we've seen from Vaxon and Playad are the pinnicle of high heat Rama gameplay.

[sly cove]

wtf is that 3

zagshield when

[forest token]

Zag shield 64 is brutal

Zag shield has to run charged shot which isn't necessarily safe, dc2 is a massive time sink

In theory you have the damage to actually clear, you kinda just need to get not horrid enemies too often

And ofc git gud, not get hit

Which is the easier part lmfao

Losing fiery presence also kinda unfortunate

[delicate knoll]

so i just installed the speedrunning modpack, what does "remove getting vorime'd" mean

also i thought the first god offering all 4 core boons epic was included in this, how do i get that 👀

[jaunty falcon]

In GDQ 2020(?), Vorime (speedrunner) wasnt offered flood flare in the first boon despite using all of his rerolls, hence the term vorimed

I think all epic first boon is called M something, might wanna dig around in speedcord or the modding discord

[broken echo]

If you join speedcord I can link it for you

#1217113690445185024 message

[forest token]

Also want to add that this mod makes all runs illegal if you want to submit them for speedrunning

They're legal for heat running tho

[delicate knoll]

yeah nevermind, i mainly wanted all 4 cores

didn't know it was included because there wasn't an option for it

[broken echo]

if you're planning on pushing zeus with aphro special, i would really recommend epic special btw

zeus special is less picky about rarity since it's more of a complete soup build

[delicate knoll]

if i do plan to push heat it won't be anything above 50 i assure you

first i have 3 aspects left for allspects 32

[broken echo]

😔

it's not that bad on zeus i promise

[delicate knoll]

oh my god gilgamesh is so ass 💔

expected to finish allspects 32 today but noooo this miserable excuse of a weapon has to exist

[shy plinth]

Just do ME

[delicate knoll]

yes that's what i tried

the attack sequence is so clunky, if you attack and then dash shortly afterwards it will automatically dash attack

which doesn't let me dash twice in a row

[shy plinth]

Are you using ruthless reflex

[delicate knoll]

no

actually wait that's a good idea huh

because you inherently have more dashes

i doubt it'll help that much but I'll remember it sure

[shy plinth]

There is one major downside

The runback to the mirror

[broken echo]

Yeah

Uh

Try a dash only playstyle

With some flat damage or deflect on attack

[bitter fossil]

hazard bomb eris 64 clear trust

[sly cove]

do dash only gilga

way more fun + gilga is so trash

[delicate knoll]

i saw a 50 heat video, is thunder dash the best option?

[sly cove]

surely not just run tdash 😭

[delicate knoll]

oh right tidal dash

thunder dash opens up jolted though 🤔

I'll try both once i play again

[sly cove]

ok but like thunder only hits 1 thing and tdash is tdash

[jaunty falcon]

Get jolted through lightning reflexes

Maybe that’s a bit ambitious for a 50 heat build

[delicate knoll]

no I've thought about it and i can do a sea storm build with tdash

[quiet acorn]

They're doing 32

[jaunty falcon]

Oh right

Yeah ez then

[sly cove]

tdash doesnt open sea storm but u could still go for it

youd need like zeus atk + pos special

[south violet]

it's 32h so you can still kinda do whatever and get away with it 👍

[opaque star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/739854987282088056/1347584539001622589/hadespact.gif

Is this a good pact for my first 32 heat run? (using aspect of arthur)

[delicate knoll]

ri3 ap1 💀

[opaque star]

whats wrong with that

[delicate knoll]

approval process is awful for medium heat, definitely drop that
for routine inspection, i guess you can do 2 levels, but having 2 dashes is great help for slow weapons which includes arthur so i definitely don't recommend ri3

you can definitely handle hard labor 2 or 3 with arthur

[broken echo]

Pretty based

[opaque star]

isnt deep pockets and the health one good for your build

[broken echo]

Also it’s ri1

[opaque star]

earlygame in tatarus

[delicate knoll]

oh wait

i am incredibly stupid

[opaque star]

xddddd

[delicate knoll]

yeah I'd just drop approval process for some hard labor

the aura and extra health makes you a little spongy so hl2 or even 3 shouldn't be an issue

[opaque star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/739854987282088056/1347587551870976051/Screenshot_2025-03-02_134439.gif

like this?

[delicate knoll]

yep, that's good 👍

[opaque star]

okay thank you for the help

[delicate knoll]

i never use routine inspection so i just saw -3 and my monkey brain went ape mode

[opaque star]

i mean its really confusing tbh

[broken echo]

It’s ok I’ve made the same mistake a lot of times

[south violet]

That's ri1

[forest token]

Why would you take ri1 at 32 heat tho lmao

Cf2 is right there

Or hl3 lc2

Or js1 and cf1/hl3/lc2

[broken echo]

Ri4 32 heat 🙏

[delicate knoll]

that one guy who was doing em4 ri3 with sword

[sly cove]

yea

☠️☠️☠️

[south violet]

@ maroonjumper why

[strong palm]

because it is funny

[neon sphinx]

First tier is free heat

But for 32 heat there is usually something better

[quiet acorn]

Not really

[south violet]

You're on average losing out on a large amount of build-options and consistency

So while it doesn't make the run mechanically harder, it is more likely to force you to play the entirety of the videogame without half of the boons you were looking for, and those you did get are usually common

That being said, I personally would tend to agree with the mindset of "ri1 isn't the end of the world" on 40+ heat (and even there only on the aspects that do not require specific boon-rng to get a build going). The theoretical upper-bound for ri0 ap0 (for full consistency during runs) would of course be at 64 - (2×4 + 2 + 3) = 51 heat, though one will usually end up equipping one or two tiers of ri before that point (usually to get rid of em4).

maybe 32 if you're playing hestia / rama while starting artemis attack

[forest token]

the first tier of ri is the second worst level of ri

the last tier of ri is the worst bc you lose SD but no reasonable person uses that, so essentially ri1 becomes the worst levels of ri

a large portion of build consistency comes from dark foresight too

approval process just shafts it all ofc, but without dark foresight like earlier stated, you're making everything a lot more difficult

[shy plinth]

Yeah when does RI1 usually start making pacts routinely? ~50?

Losing rolls, pride/legacy, and DF is quite painful

[south violet]

this doesn't sound right if playing something that's not a shield

With shields ri3 is a joke, yeah sure, but outside of shields?

[forest token]

oh i forgot about that part lmao

[sly cove]

first tier is ass cuz u cant roll out of being vorimed

oh yeah

dark foresight is massive

[sly cove]

prob yea

id rather ap2 than ri1

[neon sphinx]

Ap 2 sucks so much

[shy plinth]

I mean it's not fun but it is less impactful than ri1

Dark foresight is six more boon doors per run, it's huge

[amber holly]

Is.... is 51 heat even possible?

[delicate knoll]

yes

there have been a few runs won at 64 heat without mods or seeding

and plenty of runs won at 62 and below

by these guys' standards 51 heat is dirt easy

[amber holly]

62?! Good lord

[delicate knoll]

#h1-victory-boasting message

though that's with modpack

[amber holly]

Me, on Ps5:

[delicate knoll]

running high heat without modpack is frustrating so most runners don't even bother

[delicate knoll]

up to 32 heat (which is the highest the game actually expects you to go) is easy without modding

actually even higher is easy if you don't use ri or ap

[forest token]

Every heat level is possible depending on the aspect lmao

[broken echo]

51 is reasonable unm

[quiet acorn]

51 unmodded is super hard

[broken echo]

depends on aspect

but it's definitely more than just possible is all

[south violet]

Zeus 50 unm is not that hard, frankly

Hestia 50 unm is alright, beo 50 unm is alright

[neon sphinx]

What mods do they typicallg play

[neon sphinx]

Zag spear 64 heat

[south violet]

so true

[quick lagoon]

Specially 2
One with Rama Bow and the other with Zoos Shield

[south violet]

"Modpack" here refers to a set of quality-of-life mods that some hades speedrunning and heat leaderboards allow. One may not just freely choose what mods to run with.

[delicate knoll]

2 with zeus shield

a chinese runner also managed to hit the boon lottery

[quick lagoon]

So 3 people have beaten Hades

[delicate knoll]

yes

[broken echo]

Ability to set first hammer, all 4 cores offered for first boon, 2 sack, some other stuff

[proven notch]

Wait, Hades has mods? I didn't even think to look.

Getting Hades 2 made me pick up this one again. Trying to finish out the achievements, so close!

[willow vault]

Hi
I'm starting to push heat past 20
Is there something I need to know?

My last run (20 heat) was like this:
Extreme Measures 3
Benefits Package 2
Middle Management
Forced Overtime 1
Damage Control 1
Tight Deadline 2

[broken echo]

that's reasonable. damage control can be rough on some aspects, TD3 should be ok

[broken echo]

if you start having trouble progressing, you can ask for specific help, but you're working with a solid pact

usually the heat world records have the ideal builds for each aspect

[willow vault]

It seems like so little time tho

I mean maybe I could get around Tartarus with 1 minute to spare but for then on out...
The Satyrs may be my doom

[broken echo]

Probably a build issue then

[broken echo]

Yeah. If you get the speedrunning modpack you can guarantee a 2 sack among other qol changes

Highly recommend

[willow vault]

I think it may be skill related
I'm usually running MercEnd (Demeter Fists) and got pretty lucky one time getting the Duo in Tartarus and still my time wasn't the best :(

But trying to get better :D

[broken echo]

ah fair enough

watching vods of other players may help

[delicate knoll]

if you really want to go high in heat, definitely try to learn forced overtime 2 and tight deadline 3. they're not bad once you get used to them

[upper juniper]

Sub20 times come naturally with more & better play

It’s genuinely not that bad, especially since all your left over time transfers over

Plus you learn to use pausing when you need to make decisions between which chambers to go down

[sly cove]

wasnt that first boon epic and no other mods

[sly cove]

learn to speed, u should be comfortably exiting tart in sub 4 tbh

with fo2 td3

[forest token]

No, Angel and Bai both did Zeus shield unmodded

Pinned in #h1-victory-boasting iirc

[sly cove]

i might be thinking of a diff run then

[forest token]

Probably

Modded 64 has been done a lot lmao

[delicate knoll]

ok so i think 50 heat is a little harder than i thought

if i make it past tartarus then em4 hades summons kicks my ass

istg the summons are harder than hades himself

[hoary pasture]

If you’re making it to EM4 youll get it eventually

[broken echo]

highly recommend making an EM4 savestate

I have many i can send over if you want

[willow vault]

guys guys

I got it

td3

:D

[broken echo]

Well done

[forest token]

Gamer

[sly cove]

just drop em4 tbh

[delicate knoll]

yes I've definitely considered that

most of my attempts that make it past tartarus go really far

biggest issue i had was jury summons and calisthenics program, if i played too safe i died in furies to tight deadline, if i played risky to deal more damage i also received more damage

[torpid dune]

@delicate knoll yo so i beat 4 heat now

should i just keep going or do i do it on other weapons

havent been struggling that much with my usual zeus build on shield

maxed out aspect of zeus just now

[sly cove]

now do 50 heat

[broken echo]

Keep going

[torpid dune]

Real

[surreal heron]

Climbing heat can be a lot of fun but honestly it's up to you.

[neon sphinx]

If you want to complete the game fully I recommend doing 1-20 heat(incrementally) on every weapon for the bounties

[torpid dune]

what build for nemesis

[neon sphinx]

I use heart rend sometimes it’s pretty strong

[surreal heron]

athena dash, either artemis/aphro for extremely high heat or go ares for merciful end

[torpid dune]

Why not Artemis aphro low heat

Isnt heart rend build op here

[upper juniper]

For a low heat crit build you’d rather just start with aphro

this gives you the flexibility between the two builds for high heat

[neon sphinx]

Ok tried nem again and used aphro attack Artemis special heart rend and double edge

[torpid dune]

I see

Why Athena dash over poseidon btw

[forest token]

Safety

It's heat so safety is generally more reliable

[torpid dune]

And isnt merciful end only good if you build doom dmg

[forest token]

Tdash is still good tho if you happen to find it

[forest token]

Merciful end is doable at 32 heat

[torpid dune]

Isnt killing faster safer

[forest token]

Both

[torpid dune]

Esp considering dashes already have iframes

A lot of them too

[forest token]

There's pros and cons lmao

Ddash still is good regardless

[neon sphinx]

No because tidal dash doesn’t deal enough damage to compensate for the lack of safety compared to divine dash

[forest token]

Helps against BS BP combos

[forest token]

Tdash def can deal enough damage

[torpid dune]

Bro tidal dash does 200 dmg

[neon sphinx]

Merciful end is great for doom builds

[forest token]

Depends where your build is at and whether or not you're making time or not

[torpid dune]

Yeah but nemesis doesn't benefit off of doom builds in low heat i think

[forest token]

I mean ME is ME

It's just good

[neon sphinx]

Only if u Pom it a bunch or have other Poseidon boons

[forest token]

Strong as hell

[torpid dune]

Defo not

And either way it's not like you can pom much else

Aphro attack scales pretty low after level 3

And doom too

Tidal doenst

[neon sphinx]

Merciful end is good on builds that can stack fast, like fists and rail

[torpid dune]

Ye

[neon sphinx]

Not true

[forest token]

No lmao it's good on weapons that can dash strike fast, stacking doesn't matter

[main pawn]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[neon sphinx]

Also for dash on demesis especially if you have double edge, hunter dash can go in combination with aphro