#h1-story-discussion

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hard rose
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Some of the random pre-run things get locked after credits

static jay
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fresh file dialogue run

haughty thorn
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All dialogues speedrun

sullen scroll
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Yo

hard rose
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hi hi

thorn lion
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hi looking for some help, the song good riddance isnt appearing from the house contractor or the court music stand and I have heard the song from Eurdyice and she has given me the sheet for the song and have 5 hearts with Orpheus. ty

static jay
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You gotta wait for Orphy to stop brooding and sing it for himself

thorn lion
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pretty sure she has done that already

thorn lion
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but just to make sure how do you make orhpeus sing it

haughty thorn
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Keep talking to him and the other writer

sullen scroll
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I'm leaving this server

haughty thorn
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Why

jolly sphinx
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well they already left

rugged bough
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✌️

haughty thorn
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No one even ignored their recent questions

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I dont get it

green delta
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It'd be cool if we got to see some Than & Charon interactions, like maybe in shop chambers there could be a chance you'd see Than visiting Charon (like how Nyx visits Chaos sometimes)

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maybe they could be chatting like meg & dusa in the lounge. "hrraaaagh..." "yes, of course."

open oasis
solid blaze
green delta
solid blaze
cedar breach
woeful cape
cedar breach
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I left my pc on

woeful cape
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oh

cedar breach
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By accident

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Lmao

hard rose
solid blaze
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I am down with this. Could also be why Zag and Nyx understand him.

hard rose
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my own headcanon is that Zag takes a while since he's not genetically a Chthonic god, and gets better with the darkness he collects, but that's also valid

open oasis
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how do i get aspect of beo?

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i have invested more than 5 bloods into the shield

zenith wedge
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check the pins

open oasis
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o

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ty

gritty harness
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Question what items in the Contractor are linked to Story progresson curious if i should be aiming to max out the Cosmetic stuff or not

open berry
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you need to buy stuff for the lounge if you want to work on filling dusa's affinity, otherwise i cant think of anything specific. the game will typically point out specific items needed for certain questlines

hard rose
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The pacts are needed for side story progression but they don't use gems

gritty harness
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Ah i see this might be why im having issues with a certain Side story progression mhm

hollow shell
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||finally got the thanatos romance scene, im sensing hints that there may be another scene later with both him and meg lol||

ripe sphinx
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||I’d rather do Meg and Dusa||

haughty thorn
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||yup. There's a threesome.||

naive charm
# haughty thorn ||yup. There's a threesome.||

I just recently got that scene (after dozens of runs after I had already completed the bonds for all characters). It's super nice to get 'new' content after completing most of the stuff.

atomic forge
frozen jolt
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yes, im pretty sure it has a low chance of happening if you romanced both of them, already saw both of their romance scenes individually, and saw them both in the same run

naive charm
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OMG yes!! The first time it happened, I was like "Whaaaa......" - it was great! I loved the excuse she made up for them to go to the room. Haha...

fickle comet
hard rose
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Erebus is the darkness but Charon can tap into it

fickle comet
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But does he have enough Heat?

hard rose
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Well we're past early access so

modest drift
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Yoo on my second (win?) and this is getting quite intresting

harsh niche
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so the wiki says hades will do the darkness disappear thing if you use calls in the first phase? so i should always save it until he goes into second phase right

marsh quartz
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i've never noticed a correlation between his disappearances and my calls in the first phase or otherwise! i have over 200 clears

harsh niche
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During the first phase, he will disappear and reappear if Zagreus uses a Call, removing all status effects.

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so this is just wrong then

marsh quartz
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yeah, the wiki is surprisingly lacking in combat info

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and this might've been true in early access but isn't anymore. or i'm oblivious to his attack patterns lol

harsh niche
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thanks wiki

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some guy probably had a misfortunate timing and added that to the wiki

marsh quartz
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someone's gotta datamine this game, im sooo curious

hard rose
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the modders probably did lots of work already

open berry
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the game has been datamined to death, it's just that many people aren't actually interested in wiki editing and some of us that do edit have no interest in the nitty gritty of the game's combat mechanics

cedar breach
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We're discovering new bugs every day in the speedrunning communitybouldy

naive charm
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I still don't know how ya'll do speedruns.... Do you speedrun with heats on? I think it may just be showing me that I'm not that great at the game. haha

flat nebula
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And yes people do go higher, as in 32-40-50 even

naive charm
marsh quartz
open berry
hard rose
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ok I know that Sigil doesn't work with Smoldering Air because of balance reasons but it's also hilarious to think that Hades made the requirement that way because no way is he gonna interact with his relatives

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ok it might work with the single boons but shhhhh

jaunty topaz
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Hera and Apollo got left out, especially Hestia

somber estuary
rugged bough
hard rose
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oh yeah I've had that fan theory for a while too

rugged bough
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or how if you get scintillating feast on the hera bow, thats a representation of the time zeus got too drunk and hera got mad at him

hard rose
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Merciful End is Ares wanting to menacingly hang his doom over enemies and Athena tapping it down with 1 finger

fading ridge
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I wonder if it's possible to get a boon in styx from the god Theseus used, and if so I wonder if there's special dialogue for this situation

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I know he tries to use a god you have no boons from, so it's entirely a possibility that this situation can't happen. But it would be funny if it could

zenith wedge
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If you dont have a god pool full by styx and fated authority you should be able to do that

hard rose
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Or equip their keepsake

fading ridge
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ooo hell yeaaa patroclus finally gave the "risk it all" message!! finally i can do the quest of reuniting these angsty men

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i have wanted to do this the entire game

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tangiental, it's so funny every time when zag learns basic lore (achilles role in the iliad, demeter being persephone's mother, etc) and we the player find out he did not know that before

hard rose
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tbf I knew nothing about Achilles beside he got shot in the heel and died before this game

fading ridge
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fair fair. im a Mythology Gay and patreon supporter of overly sarcastic productions so i'm prob not represnetative of the average player's greek myth knowledge

haughty thorn
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I just happen to know a lot. I actually got over 100% in a greek mythology course

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As you can tell the professor was having a hard time

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He was pretty good though

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We got like 3/5ths through the actual course content

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Like I had previous knowledge that easily fed into the course. I just just being bored as a kid.

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And like all libraries or whatever have greek myth books

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Lots of pictures

fading ridge
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I also got eurydice to 6 hearts (incl keepsake) this run, so yeah we reuniting TWO sad myth couples soon

hard rose
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playing Hades made me realize I knew the least about Greek mythology among people I know

haughty thorn
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Hades is fun because it doesnt just recreate stuff

hard rose
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literally did not know that Hades had a wife before the game

haughty thorn
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It leans into differentiated and specialized storytelling

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Yeah that's a minor one. I was told it in middle school I believe

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It was supposed to be a play

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And they're just confusing. Its conflicting stories and you have to accept that.

fading ridge
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TIL: zag being a himbo works on every level. for people who also don't know much about the myths it makes him a helpful fish out of water protagonist for not being confused. for people like me who do know the myths it's comedy gold to find out the protagonist doesn't

haughty thorn
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Because it's mostly like, tribal variations on myths all compiled together by Homer and Hesiod

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It is fun yeah

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He is technically absent from all these myths

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Where even minor gods show up

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So why would he know

fading ridge
haughty thorn
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I know a lot less about Roman stuff tbh

fading ridge
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syncretism baby!

haughty thorn
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And not only like Ovid, it became a tradition in writing

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Like Orpheus and Eurydice are in Chaucer

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Shakespeare did a bunch because he was so familiar with Roman theater

jaunty topaz
fading ridge
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lol the movie "troy" made them cousins. a favoured tool of straightwashing apparently, given it was also used by the sailor moon dub

jaunty topaz
rugged bough
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and it feels like a logical, satisfying way to close the loop on some stories

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i wish we had a few other elysium bosses tho tbh

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would have been a good place for Heracles

open berry
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tbh im glad heracles isnt in hades bc hes featured in so much media as it is, its nice to not have him take spotlight in media inspired by greek mythos for once

rugged bough
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that's reasonable

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maybe the nemean lion

open berry
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fenyx rising had it thinkingeyes

rugged bough
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havent played it. is it any good

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i hear it's basically greek myth skin for botw

haughty thorn
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Manure shoveling minigame

open berry
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it was one of my fav games released in the last year but the game's style of humour is very much you either love it or hate it. its not a greek skin of botw though lmao its clearly inspired by it but mechanically it plays more similarly to assassins creed. but it had interesting enough takes on the gods so im very appreciative to have hades and fenyx as recent media that didnt use some of the same tropes everyone tends to resort to (like ares being little more than angry shouty war man for example)

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fenyx has a more comical style of narration but does get more into how zeus being zeus affects those around him, which is something that would have been neat for hades to explore if it hadnt been a story specifically about zag's struggles

rugged bough
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alright i am convinced to watch the trailer

open berry
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i am biased, of course

rugged bough
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Ares is a chicken

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What

open berry
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the gods are cursed

rugged bough
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How old is it

open berry
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came out december last year

rugged bough
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I’m seeing a ton of them on marketplace for twenty bucks

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Has a ps5 edition

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Aight yeah think we’re doing this. Cheers!

open berry
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anyway i was trying to say hades and fenyx have two of my favourite interpretations of ares. hades had me won over immediately for design, personality, the calm, sophisticated way he speaks. the way his anger is always just under the surface but he doesnt let it overtake him. fenyx took me a bit longer to come around to but once i was doing his quests and you start getting into how in truth deep down he feels inferior, zeus's snide commentary gets to him more than he lets on and he feels like a failure, i adored having something finally take on some exploration of how zeus is awful to everyone. good ares takes that explore him more as a flawed, multi-faceted character are smth that instantly get marks for me lmao

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if hades ever got some sort of expansion i honestly would like to see less of zag and more of how zeus getting everyone else into situations wears on them, since a lot of the plot of hades was his doing in the first place. a lot of media inspired by mythos tends to paint zeus in a heroic light also

haughty thorn
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Yeah he is more a scholar of war throughout time in Hades

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He's the only Olympian to say he is learning anything

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Researching

fading ridge
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but smart war is athenas job. hes the god of dumb war

haughty thorn
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Eh

open berry
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no lmao

haughty thorn
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It's hard to divide them like that

fading ridge
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semi-joking post

haughty thorn
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Fair

fading ridge
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it's an overly sarcastic productions reference

rugged bough
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Yeah, god of war was too chaotic and messy for me to love it

open berry
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a lot of people do assume he's inherently stupid though, because thats how he's depicted in media. if he's not shown as dumb and incompetent then he's completely evil, which is. also incorrect.

rugged bough
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Hades made me listen to greek myths podcasts

haughty thorn
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I guess he is objectively evil if you're human

rugged bough
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Yeah god of war ares was literally a 50 foot dude who smashed things

haughty thorn
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Hades maybe not

rugged bough
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The hades image in my head before was Disney

open berry
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no god in mythos was evil, they're not meant to be seen as "good" or "evil"

haughty thorn
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Well they can be. To humans.

open berry
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in fact even gods that people classify as "good" did some heinous things

haughty thorn
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They cant be measured by a mortal life though

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Yeah they've all killed lots of people

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So many

open berry
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guess thats straying a bit off topic though, either way its refreshing to have an ares that while still outclassed by athena in some respects, is certainly capable of holding his own

haughty thorn
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Its like

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Athena is advising, Ares is planning

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In Hades' depiction

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Even how they speak.

rugged bough
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Ok just bought fenyx rising it’ll be here Tuesday

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I need a lighthearted game

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Ares just feels like kinda…there in hades which is weird since god of war was his last big gaming spotlight and it went a little different there. Now he’s got a more mike from breaking bad in his 50s energy

haughty thorn
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I'm unsure now if Ares is an older or younger god

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In terms of major Olympians

rugged bough
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Was Demeter always the old one or was that supergiant taking creative liberties

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Ngl I needed a new game, am playing returnal rn and horror games aren’t my thing plus I think im sad it’s not more like hades

haughty thorn
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I think she may be yes

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I believe of the same generation as Gaia?

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Older than Zeus

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Oh I believe she may be a sibling of Uranus

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Let me check

rugged bough
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Did supergiant ever talk about how they came up with some of the duo boons

haughty thorn
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No I got it

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She is the same generation as Zeus etc

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But the kids all came out one at the time

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And she may have been the first

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And Zeus the last?

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Yeah. Hestia before Demeter though

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Thats why Demeter is older

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Hera was right after Demeter

fading ridge
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They changed some gods origins to reduce the amount of incest

haughty thorn
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They can try

fading ridge
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on the topic of my game: nyx and dusa have both been missing from the house for several runs, despite the fact i have 2 prophecies that can't be fulfilled until i talk to both those characters, uggghhhhhhh

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just threw a run to get those convos

tired tusk
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Ok so I have a question what is wrong with the gods in this game they say that they will do WHATEVER THEY CAN TO GET ME OUTTA HELL yet they go and try to MURDER ME with Theseus

fading ridge
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Notice that his call is never a god you have boons from, unless you have boons from all of them then he defaults to artemis. The gods aren't hypocritical within a single run, they're just capricious and will give boons to whoever wants

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I think there's a scripted dialogue with one of them where they explain

tired tusk
fading ridge
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So supergiant haven't constructed a plot hole here

fading ridge
tired tusk
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But the whole choose a side boon parts kinda are tho

fading ridge
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Look I'm not trying to claim the greek gods are irreproachable because they're 100% not, I'm a big mythology nerd, I'm just saying the thing you called a plot hole is not a plot hole or a sign that they secretly hate zag, canonically within the lore of the game they don't secretly hate zag they're just flighty with their boon-granting

tired tusk
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Alright good that was great really needed to vent some anger 👍

haughty trout
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Or it’s like some say Zeus was first some myths say Aphrodite

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Because she was formed from the sea foam when Ouranos (Uranus) was chopped into pieces by Kronos and his genitals/body parts fell into the sea. They formed sea foam and she was born from it.

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I might be wrong about some saying Zeus was first I can’t remember, he was at least the oldest brother I believe

rugged bough
kindred shale
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theyre not trying to murder you

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theyre trying to force theseus in a 7 seconds long stunlock animation where he cant block

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squirtooh yet another form of their godly blessing

hard rose
haughty thorn
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@haughty trout fair point on Aphrodite possibly being older

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I'd say she technically is too. Syncretism wise even the Epic of Gilgamesh has an Aphrodite equivalent as a hugely relevant force.

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Worship of that kind of goddess is very old

hard rose
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Demeter does say that she's (ie Demeter herself) the oldest on Olympus, but then the game also changed her parentage so

haughty thorn
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Love, sex, desire, etc

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Yeah

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And Aphrodite has another major story too

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The birth from sea foam is probably the older variant

haughty trout
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I don’t think she’s actually the oldest in the mythology, maybe in the game she is though idk

haughty thorn
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She was the 2nd born of Rhea

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Hestia was born 1st

haughty trout
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Gotcha

haughty thorn
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The exact like order can be varied ofc

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But this is the one I found

hard rose
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In the myth, probably Aphrodite is the oldest

haughty thorn
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And presumably why she is older visually

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Plus they removed incest

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Kinda

haughty trout
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Yeah

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Instead of Persephone being Zeus’s daughter they made it a random mortal

haughty thorn
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I don't think I've ever heard of Persephone being Zeus' daughter

hard rose
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it's the standard myth canon iirc

civic drift
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ahh uranus yeah

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so like he died and dissolved in water or something and the bubbles became aphrodite

frigid merlin
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Can anyone explain the || bastard son of zeus || thing, not sure if i missed anything but i already got to the true ending and never triggered this conversation or what its all about

rugged bough
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yeah this game was as faithful to the "canon" as possible while eliminating the really icky stuff lol

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serious shoutout to hades though, like it may be weird to say but it gave me a template for how to connect with people who are significantly different than i am

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thanks writers

rugged bough
haughty thorn
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I believe it may have to do with Orpheus

haughty thorn
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I cant find it. Could you explain further what you are looking for?

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Is it a prophecy?

hard rose
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I think it's 1 of Zag's lines with Hades after Orpheus writes the hymn

haughty thorn
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Yeah I'm assuming its that

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It's not a prophecy it seems

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You need to speak to Dionysus about it

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And progress Orpheus enough that he starts singing

hard rose
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The hymn basically references the popular myth origin story of Zagreus, which is that he is the same person as Dionysus, who, depending on the myth, can be a child of either Zeus and Semele, or Zeus and Persephone (who he, uh, mated with in the form of a snake, hence "born of Zeus as a serpent")

civic drift
haughty trout
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Zeus a freak, marrying his sister (Hera) and then cheating on her with his other sister and having Persephone who then got married to his brother lol

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Who’s her uncle

rugged bough
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Oh yeah Orpheus sang a song made up of nonsense Dionysus put zag up to telling him, just because

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And it’s a reference to how Dionysus and zag are thought to be the same god

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The zagreus Wikipedia entry is worth a read

hexed plover
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Zeus thirsty af

static rose
static rose
fading ridge
cedar breach
fading ridge
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fun fact about that: 19th century gay rights activist Karl Heinrich Ulrichs came up with a set of morally neutral terms for gay and straight people (this was before "gay" meant what it does so just about all the terms people had to describe the distinction were explicitly homophobic ones) using these 2 incompatible origin myths for aphrodite

in the uranus sea ball myth, the goddess of love is born from a man without any woman's involvement, in the latter where she's the daughter of zeus and a goddess named Dione she has a mother as well as a father. so he called gay people "uranians" and straight people "dionians" ("urning", "dioning" in the original german)

and it caught on before "gay" took over; oscar wilde referred to "uranian love" in a letter

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranian

Uranian

Uranian is a historical term for homosexual men. The word was also used as an adjective in association with male homosexuality or inter-male attraction regardless of sexual orientation.
The term was first published by activist Karl Heinrich Ulrichs in a series of five booklets from 1864 to 1865 collected under the title Forschungen über das Räth...

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read the wiki page for more details

civic drift
fading ridge
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cloud geode
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i saw this on tumblr (also hi it's been ages since i commented) and i'm gonna share it here too

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so, supergiant definetly knew people were gonna ship Theseus and Asterius

But were they expecting people to ship Hermes and Charon?

open berry
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i don't think they inherently knew shipping was going to be a thing outside of zag's romance options, much less as popular as zag ships

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during early access there wasn't really much ship content outside of thanzag, anything else was fairly hard to come by, even theseus asterius bc early access players hated theseus so much

dusky vale
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Fun times as a gamer parent: explaining to Big Kid that Nyx still counts as Zagerus’s “real mom” ||even though Persephone is his biological mother.||

quick lake
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The best blessings the gods could give Zag. 2 moms who love him ❤️

rugged bough
cedar breach
half forge
keen cove
haughty thorn
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You need his call

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It's really good actually

fading ridge
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Yeah it's an upgrade to his call like how Blown Kiss is an upgrade to aphrodite's cast

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He was the last regular boon prophecy I got too lol

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pretty funny that it's literally your second last prophecy though

vocal root
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OK, so, hades doesn't live in tartarus

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It's not even officially a part of hades

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Tartarus is alive

bright crow
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oh

vocal root
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And it's the prison used for titans and stuff

bright crow
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oh okey

vocal root
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I also like that Orpheus and euridyce are both in the game, as well as Achilles and patty

bright crow
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wait whos patty

vocal root
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Patrocolus

bright crow
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oh

fading ridge
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patroclus

bright crow
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oh the guy in elysium?

vocal root
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Yeah

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The myth of Orpheus makes me so pissed. I need to correct it

fading ridge
bright crow
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what the hell?

vocal root
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Almost every Olympian is insanely infuriating

bright crow
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like zeus

vocal root
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Zeus particularly

fading ridge
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i say this as a mythology nerd: lol yeah

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god of thunder, more like god of infidelity amirite

vocal root
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Yes

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There's some myth about him pulling something with one of Artemis her hunters

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Won't go into depth here

bright crow
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ok

vocal root
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Hint: it involves disguises

bright crow
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omg

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dont tell me they gonna have

fading ridge
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wrongfully horny zeus myth bingo card: disguises = free space

hard rose
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Wonder if the Greeks made Zeus that way because everyone's been betrayed by he weather many times

vocal root
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I will never not choose against Zeus in trial

bright crow
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me too

vocal root
hard rose
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I do when it's him vs Athena or Demeter but I cry doing it

vocal root
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Wait. Don't you want to pick dem itc

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Or Athena

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Bcs you don't want to fight them

fading ridge
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for anyone here who isn't already a mythology nerd and therefore subscribed to them, overly sarcastic productions is a wonderful youtube channel. one host covers all your mythology hijinks needs, the other covers all your history hijinks needs

vocal root
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Yes totally

hard rose
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You want to fight Athena and Demeter. Well people debate about Demeter but Athena definitely since she doesn't aggro you

vocal root
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Tho most my knowledge comes from books

bright crow
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why isnt there much ppl talking about hades

hard rose
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the game or the dad

vocal root
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Bcs the next trend is here?

bright crow
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squid game?

hard rose
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bc people don't have attention span lol

vocal root
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That

hard rose
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the only irl friend I know didn't even get credits

vocal root
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Also the internet amplifies that

vocal root
hard rose
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Like once his friends stopped playing he just stopped

bright crow
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bruh

vocal root
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And then you have a community where everyone knows each other

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That's what finally remains

hard rose
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it's really funny because when it was the in thing he was complaining for weeks about how he can't afford it and feels left out because all his friends were playing it

bright crow
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sad but true

hard rose
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then a friend finally gave in and gifted it to him

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but then when his friend circle moved on he just stopped too lol

bright crow
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bruh

hard rose
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I was seriously judgemental but didn't say it ofc

keen cove
haughty trout
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They haven’t touched it since pretty sure

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Feels like they didn’t even give it a chance it was super disappointing cause I was really looking forward to them playing it

open berry
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the game isnt going to appeal to everyone for one reason or another and thats fine friendly

hexed plover
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That's gaming for ya

haughty trout
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But tbh I think I do that too sometimes so maybe I’m just a hypocrite lol

fading ridge
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just got the demeter dialogue about how apparently in this game's lore zeus just made up a bunch of the myths about him cheating on hera? like, he made them up as a prank? which i find very funny

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i have a memeable screenshot of wikipedia which i would just post if this channel allowed images, it goes like

Pages in category "Children of Zeus"
The following 138 pages are in this category, out of 138 total

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it is an unaltered screenshot, and yeah, is a little dishonest since some of these characters have multiple contradictory origin myths or are mutually exclusive variations on the same character, but like, still,

open berry
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link embeds work btw! direct link an image from imgur, a personal discord server, etc

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we just dont allow direct uploads outside of two channels specifically for image posting to cut down on spam

kindred shale
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hopefully that will be fixed one day by the server owner

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especially because the bot already auto deletes any spam, and links are even easier to spam than images since theres no upload involved.

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its an unnecessary restriction that confused new members have to be told about daily and seriously gets in the way of sharing information.

cedar breach
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No server feedback channel zagMad

open berry
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the claim this gets in the way of sharing information is a bit silly because people on this server demonstrate daily that's not true

rugged bough
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i feel like theres something wrong with me that i just didnt really care for thanatos and the edgelord thing like, if youre gonna be moody about it dont show up bro i got this

tiny sequoia
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It's not for everyone but it's one of the most popular character tropes of recent history

rugged bough
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i know, i wasnt crazy about the edgelords in other games either. except fire emblem, because the edgelord guy was too strong to not use

rugged bough
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romance skelly mod cause as a new yorker myself i know so many people who talk like skelly and its fantastic

rugged dome
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since both zag and skelly are voiced by darren korb i'd love a voice swap

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zag talking like skelly and skelly talking like zag

cedar breach
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That'd be very cursed

zenith wedge
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zag dialogues with dad would be hilarious

rugged bough
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HadesSticker "you blasted fool, barging into my chambers"

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SkellySticker "less yackin more smackin boyo"

rugged dome
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that'd actually work wonderfully on theseus, not gonna lie

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"less yackin, more smackin boyo"

hard rose
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that's how I became a Severa spammer

hard rose
rugged bough
hard rose
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he never got to Gaius!Sev's level of dodge and crit for me

rugged bough
hard rose
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just play it a lot

rugged bough
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that’s pretty based

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yeah I have 50 clears w it of like 200 total

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zag bow is based af

rugged bough
hard rose
frail plume
fringe radish
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why does poseidon dislike theseus

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isn't he his son in the game too?

frail plume
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zeus + poseidon + ??? = theseus?

hexed plover
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☝️

fringe radish
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also it's funny that theseus technically killed asterius real dad too

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i haven't read much on the subject but I'm guessing that's why poseidon probably wouldn't like theseus

ancient crane
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hey uh regarding nyx's request for the eldest sigil thingy to be restored for her and Chaos...i cant seem to find it listed on the house contractor's stuff, nor can i find the prompt in the admin chamber to send the thing over to the contractor, will i get the prompt on my next visit after a run?

fringe radish
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yes

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the dusa and hypnos lists and stories feel like a meta commentary

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did devs spend too much time making lists when making the game

static rose
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It certainly feels like a bit of a commentary on work culture

fringe radish
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do you think that in world, mortals look more akin to the rest of the shades?

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like achilles, theseus etc

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or are all shades meant to look like them, but they're just nameless so we see them as ghosts

hard rose
fringe radish
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what aaa

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haven't gotten that far, you can buy clothes??

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yet you can't grow veggies in the garden, 9/10

open berry
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no you cant get alt outfits due to how the game's animations are made, the cosmetic itself is a mosaic above zag's room

static rose
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I want a veggie planting minigame at the cottage too!! Bring back treats for Cerberus.

flat nebula
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I think someone was working on that a while ago but abandoned it or something

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Might be misremembering

fringe radish
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just finished the epilogue

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||kind of bummed we didn't get more art about their reactions or dialogues in there, but the handshake was cute||

spare sorrel
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Silly question:. Does Sisyphus wear a toga under a cape?

hexed plover
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That's a personal question

fringe radish
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he is likely nakey

hexed plover
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Only bouley knows

cedar breach
fringe radish
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i know that's technically bouldy's nose but i want to think it's his mouth

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just doing O.O

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o.o

spare sorrel
cedar breach
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😳

fringe radish
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sorry, you must commit to the costume now

spare sorrel
hexed plover
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Well now you know you'll need less material than originally intended

rugged bough
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Do you have a friend cosplaying as Bouldy

hexed plover
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Or are you going to make a massive styrofoam bouldy you carry around

spare sorrel
rugged bough
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and people give bouldy nectar

spare sorrel
rugged bough
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i hope you do

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would be awesome

hexed plover
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Go big, it'll be worth it

spare sorrel
hexed plover
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"It's my emotional support boulder"

fringe radish
spare sorrel
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"Son of Bouldy"

honest badge
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I might do a Zagreus Cosplay for next year’s Otakon.

hard rose
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@dreamy imp yeah it's very funny going from SGG's "oh they're only foster siblings nothing to see here, also we aged up Demeter and Persephone" to other more myth-compliant media that's like "yeah so Persephone has the option of calling Hades her mother's brother or father's brother in my native language and I went with the first one"

dreamy imp
tiny sequoia
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Charon is pulling all the strings

hard rose
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even Hades knows better than to meddle with his economy, which is why Approval Process doesn't touch Wells and Purging pools

hard rose
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just realized that the conversation you get when you bring Pom Blossom to the Hades fight is basically
Zag: Emotional vulnerability? In my father?
Hades, without missing a beat: It's more likely than you think

jolly sphinx
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bouldy bouldy bouldy if ap2 affected purging pools

earnest quail
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I might have found a minor conversation discrepancy, I stole from Charon, as you do, beat him by a hair, later died to AngerDad, yet both Thanatos and Hermes talk about it as if I died to Charon, Thanatos and Zagreous talked about a debt, and whether it was paid, Than said Charon deals in obol or blood, concluding that the debt was paid, and Hermes talked about how going up against such a formidable foe as his companion was a dumb idea. Idk feels like the game doesn't expect you to beat Charon first time

earnest quail
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Second time I talked with Hermes he did acknowledge that I beat him tho

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Yeah I know, but if I didn't I feel like the game should acknowledge that I managed to read his tactics during the fight and beat him first try

fickle comet
mystic tendon
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Joined to say the two things I really, really would like to happen in the story (I've only cleared about 4-5 escapes, so if these are already part of the game, forgive me)

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First: Romance Artemis. She gets tongue-tied about Zagreus in front of Aphrodite, at one point she mentions how she is lonely, and hopes she can count Zagreus as a long-distance friend... there's room for romantic tension there. 😄

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Second: Clean up Asphodel. I know this would be a MAJOR overhaul, but... it would be really cool to affect the (under)world itself and make it better. It's pretty awful that all the "normal" good people get consigned to eternal fire and brimstone, because Hades can't be bothered to build levees

rugged bough
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Asphodel being on fire def made it more interesting from a gameplay perspective though it does have more of a western portrayal of hell now, like Tartarus is supposed to be hell

static rose
naive charm
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I love the Duo boon conversations but this one had to be one of my favorites. I've noticed that Aphrodite will always be the one to start throwing shade (with other goddesses)
https://imgur.com/a/ixTXsZ1

static rose
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Duo conversations are mostly all great tbh

mystic tendon
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Sure, sure - it's not guaranteed that Artemis is into Zagreus in the game just now. But I think there's a solid foundation for a Zagreus / Artemis romance, even using the current dialogue / plot; add just a little flirtation, and all the previous stuff becomes blushing flirtation instead of just awkward aromance.

static rose
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Bickering gods

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Well you'll find out.

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And Artemis is best girl!

mystic tendon
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Yeah, my brother spoiled for me that you cannot currently romance the gods shadegrief

static rose
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So many good interactions

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When you deliver a certain letter to the gods, make sure to give one to Artemis, her reaction is just the best.

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You'll know when...

mystic tendon
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I've honestly been impressed and surprised by the story content that's been added (post launch) so far... so, I will keep up hope, until a new Supergiant game is announced, at least 😛

static rose
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Oh I get the occasional new bit of dialogue after 300 runs

zenith wedge
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Im probably still missing dialogue from using companions outside meg and bouldy

static rose
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Yeah I never really use anything else

zenith wedge
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I've also used than i think when messing with his ability to backstab

hard rose
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Dusa has lines if you summon her and use the aid of a certain Olympian who was involved in her back story

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Also vs giant gorgon head and the end bosses

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Skelly had lines if he's still alive as you exit a room

open berry
haughty thorn
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Artemis clearly isnt attracted to "men" though

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Like that's the joke

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Gal pals with Calypso. Just alone all day just hunting

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I think she is just bad with people because she has nothing to do with socializing really

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Beyond within her cloister of followers

barren bolt
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i haven't played enough of the game to comment too much on artemis, but in the og mythology she's not really interested in anyone ever except for one dude

haughty thorn
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Yeah. She doesn't have that interest now.

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To be specific, I would say she is uninterested but still not straight or even heteroromantic in Hades

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She legitimately just likes that Zagreus doesnt mock her as much

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More healthy boundraries between the two

barren bolt
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valid valid

haughty thorn
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Interaction is usually positive and left for his escapes

open berry
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honestly even the thing with orion is debated bc there's like only one instance of that having been potentially a thing, often times artemis herself is responsible for his death. it's just that the one vague mention of them potentially having a thing ended up becoming popular in media

barren bolt
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yeah true

open berry
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so even orion isn't necessarily someone she's interested in romantically

barren bolt
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i like to think that artemis (in mythology at least) is aroace

open berry
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oh same

worn flower
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who's got the time for a relationship when you're out hunting all the time

tender cedar
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Do yall subscribe to the fan theory that the shade that roots Zagreus on in Elysium is Zags maternal grandfather, cause I do

tiny sequoia
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Where'd ya hear that theory

open berry
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some people proposed it last year iirc

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someone tried to edit that into the wiki but its just fan headcanon bc its really Just A Shade unfortunately

tiny sequoia
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Strangers can like zag

river willow
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I do like the idea that Zag just has a granddad kicking around in Elysium who shows up to watch all his bouts against the Champions.

undone glade
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Hello?

tiny sequoia
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Hi

undone glade
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Does the story ever ends ?

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I mean does zagreus gets aal his answers?

tiny sequoia
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Yeah I think everything gets wrapped up in a neat bow

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All the big story threads get resolved yep

ancient crane
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aight so uh i just reunited the olympians with hades and Persephone and i got the whole hades and zeus shaking hands thing, and apparently things didnt end with demeter freezing hell over during the feast....is there any continuation in this storyline, or is this it

also, apparently im still locked in terms of progressing the relationship towards aphrodite, dionysus, and demeter, do i just keep picking their boons and hope that since the feast is over, theyll open up, or is there some specific condition before i finally unlock those seals

zenith wedge
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Dio: nectar-ambrosia to others
Aphro: make love!
Demeter: soon enough

ancient crane
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aight, thanks

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ive already romance-d meg, than, and dusa (though honestly i see than and dusa more as friends), so theres more to be done...very well then

zenith wedge
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If you romanced the 3 already just keep talking to her then

mystic tendon
open berry
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well. see the issue is the player character isn't a self insert and is a character with his own thoughts and feelings, who also happens to be family with the olympians. yes greek myth is rife with incest, as any creation myth is because things have to come into being somehow, but supergiant made a deliberate attempt to tone down on it and sidestep it where possible for their story. so zag romancing the gods isn't going to happen

winged mauve
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I never realized until now that Orpheus and Eurydice had their own little side story that you get by talking to the both of them a bunch. I am now starting to see an appeal to talking to the characters in the game more

fading ridge
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befriend them with nectar and you'll have even more story! also, befriend achilles more, and the other two mid-run npcs, for other stories

mint ginkgo
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hmm so I'm at the gold heart with a lock on Orpheus and Eurydice

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do I have to do anything with their trinkets?

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I have Eurydice's maxed but not Orpheus's

tiny sequoia
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Trinkets rarely matter for heart progression

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Just keep talking to both

mint ginkgo
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so I'll get something important eventually™️?

tiny sequoia
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Yeah

atomic forge
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what

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I reached a part where

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hades said not this time

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then give me the blood for free

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then persephone

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decides to go to hell

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wtf

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is this the end

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because the credits are rolling

cedar breach
copper pendant
zinc belfry
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Technically, yes, but there is an epilogue

neat trail
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is there any special interaction if u beat the game in the first run? Like without even going to the house of hades once

neat trail
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because i did beat it first try

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ive playde before ofc

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but zagreus knew where his mother was without even speaking to nyx about it lol

worn flower
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oh that's actually true not a bug, the flashbacks show that Zagreus talks to Nyx before the very first run and she tells him the whole deal

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and there is special dialogue iirc, it's not very different from the normal 1st run finish dialogue

hard rose
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hey @open berry do you have the script where Orpheus asks Zag what song he wants to hear, and gives 3 options
Specifically looking for if you pick Argonauts

static rose
low heart
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While Charon do seem pretty mysterious I never ||pegged him for having brothers. That legit shocked me somehow||

hard rose
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siblinghood is complicated in mythlore anyway

low heart
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Never is simple

open berry
hard rose
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Thanks! nectar

open berry
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theyre all the same, the only thing that changes is zags question

hard rose
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cool

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one of my tumblr followees was trying to piece together the game's version of Greek history and was trying to figure out if Orpheus being with them was still a thing, hence

open berry
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its the only direct mention of the argonauts and as far as i recall it doesnt come up with orpheus otherwise

hard rose
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Mmmm

open berry
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the other two for funzies

zag: How about The Lament? You used to play that one a lot!
orpheus: Oh, fancy that one do you? Alas, I've not the heart to sing it anymore. I'm glad you like it, though.

zag: How about In the Blood? That's one of your old hits, right?
orpheus: Oh, fancy that one do you? Alas, I've not the heart to sing it anymore. I'm glad you like it, though.

hard rose
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so Zag knows about In the Blood way before the credits thanthink

open berry
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he says its one of his old hits so its implied its smth orpheus sang way prior to the credits

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prior to the events of the game rather

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i do believe one or two of these choices were different in early access but id have to dig through my old screenshots for them

hard rose
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Mmm

static rose
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Just had Persephone say she really fancied Thanatos back in the day?! Don't remember seeing that before.

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Then she asks how things are between us ...

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It's complicated Mom!

open berry
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for clarification to say you fancy someone does not always mean you desire them, sometimes to fancy someone means you like aspects about them. the very next thing perse says in that dialogue is that thanatos is "so put together" so i think she's more complimenting how he carries himself

static rose
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Maybe it's a British English thing, but to fancy someone is almost always desirous in my experience.

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I mean he's immortal and she was younger, so it's not implausible.

open berry
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based on the entire convo and how perse is i dont think its meant to be taken in that way

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she otherwise doesn't seem interested in anyone but hades so for her to express desire towards thanatos is out of character for her

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the entire line is "I always fancied Thanatos, you know. So put together and everything! I'm pleased to see you've grown so close. Things good between you two?" this is a personal take but given the "put together" followed by immediately saying she's pleased they're close, it doesn't read as her interested in than in that manner to me

cedar breach
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ty

hard rose
zinc belfry
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"Betrayed, by my own Contractor" was such a funny one. Hades can be hilariously dramatic.

spiral lily
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always

hard rose
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Hades is the kind of person people expect to be bland and boring and then he pulls a random joke or meme out of nowhere

zinc belfry
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I am still reeling from how offended he was when Zagreus tells him his room is boring

hard rose
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he also never makes his bed or do laundry either

barren bolt
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out of curiosity when do you get access to hades’s room?

hard rose
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after the 8th win

barren bolt
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ah nice

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I’m on 4 :’)

hard rose
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halfway there

zinc belfry
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Living on a prayer

barren bolt
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time to grind over winter break

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look out dad I’m coming for your ass

hard rose
zinc belfry
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pfffft

barren bolt
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to be fair he does try to kill his son

hard rose
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yeah the point of the meme is the ass

barren bolt
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thicc

zinc belfry
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If I were to have a nickel for every time we talked about a thicc Hades character in this server, I would have two, which is weird that it happened twice

worn flower
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that's very very low

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I've definitely seen thicc appreciation on this server hundreds of times

zinc belfry
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Jeez, looks like I'm missing out on a lot of fun. Time to be active on the server again

winged trellis
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has to be I believe

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since spear only has 3 other aspects

quick lake
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||Yes, to unlock the hidden aspect of Varatha, you must unlock five other aspects across the six weapons in the courtyard. Then just keep interacting with Achilles.||

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||Then, to reveal the other 5 hidden aspects, you must invest 5 titan’s blood into the weapon you want to uncover an aspect for.
Then you just keep interacting to the NPC's.||

fickle comet
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Just to clarify, "other" aspects means aspects that aren't Zagreus.

frozen jolt
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yes, it counts

zinc belfry
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Also yes, I believe? She has to comment on it and stuff.

static rose
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You don't need to have the bow in hand to get the waking phrase from Artemis, but you may have had to have her comment on the bow in general before to unlock the dialogue.

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I know this because I unlocked it yesterday on my new run.

zinc belfry
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Might be a good idea to use her arrow keepsake to get her and become more likely to get her to comment, I suppose

tawny marten
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Hewwo I have a slight question about the whole Achilles/Patroclus || is there anything else i might be missing besides maxing their hearts in order to get a work order to unite them? I've never received the dialouge from patroclus to pass onto Achilles.||

hard rose
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Nyx needs to be at 5?4? Hearts

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but idk if that's backing up Pat's dialogue tho

tawny marten
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I honestly can't tell. Nyx is maxed out, ||she met up with chaos if that counts.|| pat doesn't say much but wants to be left alone.

hard rose
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sounds like RNG then

tawny marten
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shadegrief yeah i guess so! Thanks tho

hard rose
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My personal superstition is that turning the game off completely helps weird RNG things like that

tawny marten
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I can give a try since im this desperate

autumn remnant
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sleepy people tend to like money

zinc belfry
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Look, if we sleepy can get money just from sleeping, then I'm all set

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Okay, but what if Hypnos is actually the richest of the brothers-

zinc belfry
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This is the Underworld, my friend: anything and everything is possible. Also, I like the idea of Hypnos being supremely powerful

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Cursed Idea of the Day: Hypnos as those powerful Shaggy memes

open berry
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fun fact there is an epic wherein hypnos is referred to as the conqueror of the gods, make of that what you will

zinc belfry
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hehehe

hard rose
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I just realized that Hades' bed is the height of zag's shoulder

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how does Persephone even get up there, climb the table???? jump??

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is this why Hades leaves 3 weeks of laundry piled on that side so she can step on them

zinc belfry
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...HOW BIG IS THIS MAN-

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AND WHY DIDN'T HE FEED ZAGREUS

hard rose
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I actually know an irl family with their heights... Genetics, man

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Dad ~6 foot 3, mom ~5 foot 1, son ~ 5 foot 5

zinc belfry
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...are you sure that's not the Hades family in disguise-

hard rose
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The son is a curly blonde so it must be a really good dye and perm job

zinc belfry
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As someone with hair exactly like Zag's, yeah, that would be touggh

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Granted, they are gods

hard rose
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tru

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well, if you're ever around California, be on the lookout

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book your desired underworld location before spots fill up

zinc belfry
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Maybe controversial opinion, but I would go with Tartarus

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Elysium is nice and all, but Theseus is there

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And I hate heat

hard rose
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will you live there as a regular shade or be one of the sneaks etc

zinc belfry
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Hmmm

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I could also try and snag a servant role in the house

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I think that would be at least eventful

hard rose
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Admin chamber generic

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may see the prince's cameo once in a while

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You prob need to be in better standing to be a servant than a Tartarus resident

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but yeah Elysium has too many tryhards in general

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unless I can find Pat's No Drama room

zinc belfry
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Granted, I feel like I would be put in Elysium, much to my dismay

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I'll just form a Zag fanclub with the supportive shade

hard rose
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oo good idea

zinc belfry
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And we'll try to recruit Than. Shouldn't be too hard lol

hard rose
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LOL

zinc belfry
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Than, cool it with the tough act: we know you want to join the fanclub

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And then we release Zag merch to combat the Theseus merch

hard rose
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yes

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Zag merch room decor when

zinc belfry
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Petition for Zag merch room decor

hard rose
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Reminds me of this line from a fic

zinc belfry
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That is pure literary gold right there oh my god

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I still can't get over how Zag just...decided to name the hydra...and the hydra just...went with it

hard rose
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say do you know of any more fic/fanwork-centric hades discords

zinc belfry
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I headcanon the hydra to have a very similar personality to Cerberus.

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Not really, sadly

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This server is really the only one I'm in

hard rose
zinc belfry
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That, among other things, I'd reckon

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I'm a simple man: I see an animal or something animal-like, and my urge is to pet it even if it means risking my life

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In other words, I would die as a Greek hero...not that that's strange

hard rose
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That's literally one of Zag's endgame deaths

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tried petting a bear

zinc belfry
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Look, I don't blame him: with ears like that, what do you mean I'm not allowed the pet a bear

quasi forum
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hey whats the deal with tisiphone?

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is there any explanation why the only thing she ever says is murder?

cedar breach
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muuuuurdeerrrrr

quasi forum
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Ok

static rose
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And she does eventually say something else...

quasi forum
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Does anyone know why hades is now locked and cant be gifted anything?

hard rose
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everyone who is giftable has a lock eventually, his is just low

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you need quite a lot of story progression before you can gift more, most people's locks are like 6

quasi forum
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@hard rose he got locked after just one nectar

hard rose
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yeah he has the lowest lock

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keep playing and it'll unlock eventually

alpine citrus
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I think you need to complete the true ending (beat him 9x times) and do some escape attempts more before his key eventually unlocks

barren bolt
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what exactly is the ||“life stealing”|| move from the hidden aspect of varatha?

flat nebula
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1 point per hit

barren bolt
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ahhh thank you

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opinions on if it’s worth it or not?

flat nebula
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It has a big penalty to your health and healing so it's not really easy to use overall, moreso if it's lv1 or so

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Keep it locked or go to lv5 so you deny as much of the penalty as possible

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It still has its learning curve even when it's upgraded, a good thing to note is that this Aspect's Special is different than other spears since it has no recall and it also has a bit of an aoe to it, so you'll see people usually focus on that when they build it because the spins are slow and leave you vulnerable for too long because you're stuck standing in place

barren bolt
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okay gotcha

quick bolt
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I have a question for the supergiant team .. since #ask-supergiant is closed Im gonna ask it here .. hope I get a respond by any of the supergiant staff-members.
The story of Hades is a bit 'Underworld' limited so far. Yes the main story is that ||Zagreus tries to spend time with his mother Persephone and yada yada yada || but the olympic gods help him so much and a few of them ||are excited to see him once he reaches the olymp|| - so what Im trying to say - maybe Im just impatient and you guys are planing something like this already - will Zagreus ||reach the Olymp and get a 'new' story up there? Maybe he tries to solve the conflicts between the gods, especially between Hades and his brothers and/or his mother in law - maybe Zagreus finds a way to unbound himself from the underworld so he can stay longer in the upper world and Zagreus' mother Persephone gives him new tasks or Zagreus starts to work on the relationship between his parents|| there are so many possibilites and Im so desperate to know how it will continue!!!
Please please somebody respond to me and maybe give me a hint .. something like 'we are working on continuing the story, follow us on twitter and you will be up-to-date' .....

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dont get me wrong I love every part of the story of the current state of the game! But I want more ToT

static rose
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Sadly you're likely to be disappointed. Supergiant don't really do sequels and they've said there will be no new content in Hades.

quick bolt
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if thats the case .. damn .. what a shame and wasted opportunity .. I bet there are hundreds - if not thousands - of Hades players who would pay the full-game-price for a new story-dlc with new regions and eventually one or two new gods from the greek mythology and a new story line with a new plot .. at least for my part I can say I would pay 30€

cedar breach
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yes

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but you cant force them unfortunately

quick bolt
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nah im not trying to be mean or rude .. I was just wondering why they would miss this opportunity .. I mean the greek mythology is more then just ||Hades hates his brothers and they hate him because some difficulties happened|| - there are so many possible plot-lines

flat nebula
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And now it’s done and polished and devs have moved on to other projects

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Also adding stuff is difficult due to other reasons, such as meta for speedrunning and heat and such, you cant really shake those at all, even some bugs were decided to stay because they were too dominant in metas that removing them would seem unfair

quick bolt
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hmmm well the meta part makes sense

open berry
# quick bolt if thats the case .. damn .. what a shame and wasted opportunity .. I bet there ...

i dont feel its a "wasted" opportunity, what metrics are we measuring a waste by?

this interview may be enlightening for you https://www.comingsoon.net/games/features/1190326-interview-hades-greg-kasavin

"I think a big part of it is that we’re so committed to the endings of our games and to paying off the player’s time if they get all the way to the end. We’ve put in all of our best ideas in the thing we’ve shipped and we’ve set out with a goal of making a complete experience. So to make DLC on something that, by our own definition, is complete, something about that has felt off. It’s like you’re contriving stuff. If it was so important, why wasn’t it there in the 1.0 version? That’s a very broad statement about it.

In the particular case of Hades, it’s also a game with a lot of intricately connected parts in a story and everything. It may sound straightforward to dump in new Boons, gods, or weapons, but it would have a massive impact across all aspects of the game."

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i think part of it is also the expectation we as consumers have that if a product is successful, that is some inherent obligation to deliver more of that product

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there was a discussion about this in regard to valheim's success and players demanding more content, but another piece to this puzzle, especially for indie studios (such as supergiant), that more requires a lot of time. whether you need the time to add more people to the team and train them in the studios workings, which then takes away time from things you could be making instead, or just the time itself to content. also just because a game is successful doesnt necessarily mean the studio wants to expand and be bigger as a result.

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ultimately i think the biggest thing this comes down to is that it is a lot more complicated than simply making more of the game hmm

zinc belfry
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If anything, it's a great opportunity for fan content. As a fanfic writer myself, I hold the idea of expanding known stories close to my heart. After all, humanity has been doing so for centuries, and even Hades is a good example of this. Who knows? We may have something down the line that is inspired by Hades that moves us just as much.

And before I get scolded for this, I don't consider myself biased on the value of fanfiction. I usually like to point to one of my literary inspirations Neil Gaiman, who himself has written fanfic and even won a Hugo for it.

hard rose
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some considerably prominent literary works are even fanfiction *gestures at Ro3K

worn flower
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i don't know if anyone here would scold you for praising fanfic

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are there actual people like that

zinc belfry
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Sadly, yes

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For one thing, fanfic still has a strange stigma attached to it. For example, 1) fanfic writers are "not real writers" (on that note, what in the world is a real writer: a good chunk of literary canon were original from oral tradition with multiple authors lost to time. See "whether or not Homer actually existed and was he one or multiple dudes), or that fanfic is exclusively meant for and written by teenage girls (who make amazing stuff anyway).

That said, there are a few writers out there that detest people making fanfic of their work (Anne Rice was an infamous example, but she calmed down a bit toward the end of her life), which like, okay, but is that really gonna stop at anybody? (looks at the longest work of literature, which is a Smash fanfic)

prime mulch
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I dont think that's the stigma, the stigma being fan fiction is quite more easily accessible by people, thus the common by the number, non curated content leads to varying quality of works, which is by default tend to be on the low side of the spectrum. The second stigma being fan fiction is often used to be the medium for self insertion and erotic fantasy.

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So when people compared a script with a fanfiction, its commonly understood.

zinc belfry
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Oh, that too. Regardless, it is stimgatized, and frankly, it's quite a shame, considering humans have been doing this with stories for millennia, even though fanfiction was never really a thing until the modern copyright system.

wide wind
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this is a hades discussion section so if anyone wants to continue this please take it to #off-topic-discussion :)

fading ridge
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You can do either of those two quests first but you have to do one of them before you'll be able to do Achilles and Patroclus quest

tawny marten
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Oh I did the Orpheus one already.

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I guess I could go make friends with Sisyphus then

fading ridge
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You just have to do one. If you've completed the "musician and muse" prophecy and maxed nectar with both achilles and patroclus, it's just a matter of keeping talking to achilles and patroclus and nyx until you get the chain of dialogues that lets you get the contract from the admin chamber and do the work order

tawny marten
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o/ alrighty! I'll report back when it ever happens, thanks for the advice.

wheat echo
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ok can someone please help me out, I don't know what else to do to complete ||dusa's|| favor other than ||to do the cleaning and getting rugs||

hard rose
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keep doing runs and wait for dialogue RNG to come around

zinc belfry
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Me discovering the Skelly Pact of Punishment prizes: SKELLY WHAT THE HECK

static rose
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Eh heh

zinc belfry
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Skelly, I genuinely adore you, but I want to strangle you now

static rose
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Just you wait...

zinc belfry
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I haven't unlocked the third one yet, but I have a terrible, terrible feeling about this

static rose
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Did skelly mention anything about the Zag sword aspect yet??

zinc belfry
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If he did, I don't remember.

frail plume
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its something you remember

zinc belfry
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Huh, then I guess I haven't yet

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Then again, I only recently found out about the Pact of Punishment prizes...200+ runs into the game and well after I finished the epilogue ;-;

flat nebula
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it'sok

zinc belfry
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Thank you ;-;

fading ridge
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why does achilles have so many lines in perfect iambic pentameter

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It isn't just achilles but it's especially so for him. eg the line i got after doing my first run with beo shield: "Depends upon the dragon I suppose. I've heard they differ all across the world. Though, that's a fascinating find, there, lad. This Beowulf... sounds like he'll find a way to make good use of all that protective gear. Always preferred mobility, myself, but then, to each his own"
This is 6 lines of iambic pentameter (if you squish "of all that" into 2 syllables) and then a final line of 3 iambs. Then Zag has an iambic pentameter line as the walk-away line after that conversation. It can't be an accident

hard rose
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I have seen those words before and apparently it's intentional design

fading ridge
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Similar deal to how adjectives are used by the narrator to evoke the style of epic poetry?

hard rose
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Literature was the only subject I failed at in school so imma nod just sit here and nod

fading ridge
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only partially, but "all right we've matters with olympus to resolve" and "they think you're nyx's son rather than mine" are iambic pentameter. and the rest of her lines in this conversation are also partially iambic

autumn kettle
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does anyone know how to fully advance/complete Sisyphus’ relationship? i finished the nectar part a while back but can’t seem to get past it, even though ive finished the credits already

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like how do you get his favour

fading ridge
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do you have the "end to torment" prophecy? you have to ask nyx to tell you where his cotnract is so you can change his contract

autumn kettle
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apparently not?? idk lol

fading ridge
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the wiki prob has info

solar yarrow
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Hi all! I recently started playing Hades and would like to know how many more encounters must I do to get Persephone's and Hades's keepsake?

fading ridge
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Short answer: you need to do a total of 10 escapes before you can get those keepsakes

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Slightly longer answer: after your 10th escape (or maybe the next run after your 10th escape?) you will be able to give persephone nectar; either immediately after that or a few runs later (can't remember) you'll get a dialogue in the house with hades that unlocks giving him more nectar

solar yarrow
frail plume
fading ridge
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yes

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look at the post again- observe my reddit username and discord username are almost the same, would have been exactly the same if not for someone already occupying u/voidify

hard rose
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gods I'm on my 3rd save and still get dialogue I'm pretty sure I never saw on the previous 2

devout slate
hard rose
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the couple necklace is too cute

devout slate
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Right after I beat Hades they explained why Zagreus has fire feet and why Hades wears the gems around his wrists

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And I thought

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"that's pretty cool"

barren bolt
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ooo I can’t wait to find out

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also thanotos king please lemme romance you

frail plume
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im gonna be honest than grew on me

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at first i didn't really like him cause he's idk all broody and people,myself included, would go ehhhhh as dionysus says but after a while i realize he's more a choir boy and that's a lot funnier

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plus i prefer mort over battie

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don't kill me

barren bolt
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very valid

austere bobcat
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I haven't romanced anyone yet, but I will say this tho...

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Masochistic Papyrus is best boi

barren bolt
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tbh I just like him because he’s the only one (besides nyx and maybe Achilles + maybe sis/orph/pat) who helps zag the whole time

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like this goodie two shoes is puttin his whole career on the line for my dumb ass who’s constantly dying

barren bolt
austere bobcat
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Tho, if we included not people, Cerberus would obviously be best boi

barren bolt
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yes

austere bobcat
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Also, Hypnos radiates some kinda energy I can't say here

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Tho I could entirely be wrong in that statement

barren bolt
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pffff

cedar breach
barren bolt
barren bolt
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when the wiki says that in order to get the task for thanotos all you need to do is beat him after getting 6 hearts but you’ve done that multiple times and the dialogue has yet to happen 😔

open berry
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the general disclaimer for hades dialogue is that its not always reactive to your actions. the game simply checks that you have met the requirements and adds that dialogue to your pool of available dialogue that can come up. as a result of this you can either get the dialogue you want really fast, or it could take a while, esp for more important npc with a lot of dialogue

hard rose
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does Cerberus need 3 Ambrosia because he has 3 heads

flat nebula
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Asking the real questions bouldy

wooden nacelle
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charon is best boy

hard rose
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Yes

atomic forge
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I have fallen down a hades hole and I can't get up

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I don't know if I like the game, the humor, the story, they're all so good

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I can't stop thinking about dusa

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I sold all my keys and gems when I unlocked the capability of giving her ambrosia

static rose
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Wait until you trip over the fan fiction. There's more than one reason it's called The Ship of Theseus...

atomic forge
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SHIP OF THESEUS

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WHY

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WTF

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AHHHH

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I can't stop thinking about the characters tho and the game play

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Super giant has always had amazing stories

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Hades feels the most ambitious and it feels like bastion and transistor but more insane and high velocity

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With a good story to boot

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I cried after my first victory

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Mostly bc of gameplay and story reasons

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I need to play bastion again

static rose
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Getting to credits was emotional.

hard rose
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what do you mean Zag won against dad 10 times in a row, I'm lucky to get into Elysium sometimes

haughty thorn
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I think I could get to at least Elysium up to like, 45 heat?

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Dad is always going to be the real challenge in the end.

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especially em4 and fo2 em4

austere bobcat
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I... I beat Hades for the first time

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And I am unbelievably upset that I ||couldn't stay with Persephone||

hard rose
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The First of Many (plot twists)

barren bolt
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if you summon than, does the game treat it like you encountered him normally (aka he’ll show back up at the house)?

zealous shoal
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I don't believe so

barren bolt
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darn

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thank you though

nimble pumice
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how long did it take you guys to reunite achilles and patroclus cuz im at nearly 100 escape attempts

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and i havent

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i thjnk im close

hard rose
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My current active save is reaching 70 and they're the only pact I haven't gotten

nimble pumice
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yeah ive gotten like all the pacts but them

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ive basically ran out of dialogue for achilles tho

modern saddle
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Oor?

nimble pumice
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yes ive given them all i can ggive

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i canr gift them ambrosia yet tjo

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cant

safe gazelle
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ambrosia is needed only for the final heart

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i need to start giving more nectar to lobby npcs cause the only bond ive completed is charon 😶‍🌫️

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also i hate styx so much i just wanna talk to my mom

stable spruce
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Charon is <3 though

nimble pumice
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i have bonds w thanatos, nyx, ares, dionysus, eurydice, orpheus, i forgot whi else

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but those r from the top of my head

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||OH YEA PERSEPHONE AND HADES|| spoilers a lil but

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oh and athena

barren bolt
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I think I’m somewhere around 70-90 runs and i still haven’t gotten the Achilles and Patroclus quest either 😔

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i haven’t maxed out at relationships yet but I’ve done the quests for nyx/chaos, orpheus/eurydice, technically hades although that’s just main story, dusa, skelly, megera and thanotos

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I’m 2 ambrosias away from romancing than

frail plume
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Achilles and Patty takes so long lol

burnt trench
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Can someone explain to me why Persephone being found out would start a war when it's clearly Zeus' fault?

zinc belfry
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It's family miscommunication

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A whole thing about this game is that these gods are an extremely dysfunctional family, much like they were in the original mythos

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And honestly, it's weirdly refreshing to see that in a modern story: too many retellings kind of idealize the greek pantheon when all of them were severely flawed

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Not that that's entirely a bad thing: each story has its own merits, regardless of how much they stay true to the original source material

hard rose
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I think it's like, it's not about whose "fault" it is, rather that an Olympian was taken to the underworld without the knowledge/permission of the rest of the gods

nimble pumice
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YEAHH

zinc belfry
fading ridge
# nimble pumice how long did it take you guys to reunite achilles and patroclus cuz im at nearly...

have you talked to patroclus while wearing achilles' keepsake? i don't think this is actually a requirement to get the prophecy-unlocking dialogue chain but i did it immediately upon meeting pat (literally like the next run after i met him, i switched to the bracer in elysium, intending to snap him out of his angst by sending a message directly from me the player: "this himbo you're talking to may not know who u are, but he's friends with your boyfriend, who is in a part of the underworld that it's possible to travel here from") and it's a cool dialogue

static rose
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I think meeting Pat with the keepsake is a requirement. Thematically it makes sense since he's positioned next to the river Lethe and trying to forget Achilles. He needs something to spark a memory.

raw smelt
# zinc belfry And honestly, it's weirdly refreshing to see that in a modern story: too many re...

This is kinda why I like the riordanverse. The gods are still their own personalities, they have good characters, they don’t spend too much time explaining the myths to keep the pacing good but explain them enough but the books constantly bring up the dysfunctional family aspect and this is prevalent in the heroes of Olympus series with the grace family and the split personality disorder with the gods between their Greek and Roman aspects. Even 6-8 years later I still love reading them because of how good they are

zinc belfry
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Oh god, I grew up on that series, so I know how you feel haha

raw smelt
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I’m behind on the trials of Apollo and Magnus chase but I’m pretty sure I’ve read the rest. Other than those two it’s just Percy Jackson, the heroes of Olympus and Kane chronicles right?

zinc belfry
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Well, technically, yes, but iirc, Riordan has since expanded his publishing platform to include other authors that focus on other pantheons and mythos around the world.

nimble pumice
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and i think ive dont that, but im not sure

barren bolt
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once you talk to Achilles telling him that (for me it was immediately after pat gave me that dialogue), he says he needs a second to think about it; I haven’t gotten past that yet

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and can confirm that the keepsake isn’t a requirement, but maybe it speeds it up?

nimble pumice
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i just voided the pack !!!

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pact

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finaly

static rose
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In order to get Poseidon's sub quest for beating EM3 Heros, do I need to seek Poseidon out in the same run (e.g. in Styx) or just any time after?

barren bolt
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alas I don’t know, but I’ll probably have that question later 😅
also, came here to say that I just finished romancing than, meg is next :))

static rose
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Then Dusa?

barren bolt
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probably, although I may not

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it’s low on my priority since she requires so much ambrosia lol

frozen jolt
austere bobcat
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I haven't romanced anyone yet, but I'm gonna start with the masochist

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Just gotta give a nectar to Dionysus and I'll start pumping skelly full of my necta- wait that sounds wrong

static rose
austere bobcat
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Is Skelly not the only one?

static rose
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Hehe.

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Charon does make some bank from Zag, but it seems small beer compared to what he's taking in the the regular Hermes gig.

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Look at his stash in at least 7 locations plus all the vending machines.

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He's like the Rothschild's of the underworld

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Keeping tabs on the house, looking to make sure Hades isn't hoarding too much with that shady resources director (that's some money laundering cash-for-honours right there).

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The whole thing with Zag is just a smoke screen.

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Skelly sends Zag on his way and then sneaks into the house to rifle through the accounts.

barren bolt
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i swear I once got a dialogue from Hermes heavily implying that he was the one who hired skelly

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or maybe it was just supposed to show that he knew him

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but still, game theory fun

static rose
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I cannon, yes. Charon hires Skelly (possibly by way of Hermes)

barren bolt
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if you’re going with Charon, I think he would hire skelly to partially train zag/give him confidence to fight etc. can’t get money on chambers/wells if you keep dying on the first room

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ooo okay

static rose
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Coin for the ferryman

barren bolt
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he has an obel in his mouth????

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lord I need to pay attention more

static rose
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In the title banner and a few other places you get closeups

barren bolt
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ah okay

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i like the idea that charon wanted to hire skelly and Hermes found him

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or maybe that’s canon idk

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wait crap

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charon

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i can spell 😅

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imagine if Chiron was also involved

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what if we make it go all the way to the top

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plot twist: chaos hired skelly

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true

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👀👀👀

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i would love to see an interaction between skelly and every other NPC

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skelly would beat security

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people say Charon is the hardest boss

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i wanna see skelly fight back

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oh damn

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imagine if there was a break/gap in the code and you were able to summon meg to fight meg

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or than in than competitions

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there’s a really cool (to me) bit in the final battle where, if you have hades’ keepsake and do a greater call, hades just screams “WHAT??”

zenith wedge
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summoning bouldy is also fun

zinc belfry
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Summoning Hades during the final battle is always fun. It's funny to see him complain.

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I still remember the dialogue that basically went like this:
Hades: If only you clean your room with as much enthusiasm as you fight
Zag: At least my room isn't boring like yours
Hades: YOU TAKE THAT BACK ABOUT MY ROOM!
Zag: IT'S BORING!

hard rose
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That's one of my favorite fight banter

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wish Zag called out his dad on not folding his own laundry either but alas

zinc belfry
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I just need Zag to keep calling out his dad on the most mundane things

faint horizon
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How do i get hidden aspect for exagryth (gun)

eternal storm
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From what i've gathered in my experience of playing you should upgrade one of the aspects first

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then eventually you'll end up talking to someone who says

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blah blah say blah to blah

faint horizon
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K

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Thnx

eternal storm
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hope it helps ^-^

faint horizon
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Ive upgraded hestia multiple times

worn flower
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check the pins for an exact answer if you want one

eternal storm
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or that ^

barren bolt
barren bolt
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bottom is supposed to say "fights in a denny's parking lot"

hard rose
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hades brings his darling lance to everything

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he's like FE Hector with Armads

barren bolt
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true

rugged bough
zinc belfry
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Chaos: You underestimate my power

green delta
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why's Than so worried about his "job"? Isn't he Death Incarnate™?? What job? He doesn't need money does he? He is the only being that can do what he does, right? Man

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I think it's kinda interesting but odd that it's framed as "work". To me I thought they do their roles because it's what they're made for? /it is how the natural order of the universe works out? I mean the Olympians don't consider their roles "jobs" too, do they?

barren bolt
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there’s a convo in the game where than tells hypnos that he’s expendable/can be replaced, and I’m not sure if it’s just him who thinks that way, but than at least definitely believes that he can get fired. even if hades can’t really, zag did get fired which could be why than is scared

barren bolt
atomic forge
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for sea-gods spite do i have to talk to Posiedon in the same run as beating EM thesius?

open berry
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as far as i recall you do not. however it has to have been in the previous run

atomic forge
open berry
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like if you beat em theseus, turn off em and talk with poseidon and dont get the dialogue on the next run, you've no longer completed the requirements of having defeated em theseus on that or the previous run

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if that makes sense

atomic forge
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that sucjs

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em 3 and 4 are a pain

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and the thesius fight is already hard

open berry
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you could just try running down poseidon's dialogue without em if the fight is giving you too much trouble, to try and increase the odds of getting the right dialogue when you turn extreme measures back on

atomic forge
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its my last prophecy so most of the dialogue is done

open berry
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let me recheck if it needs to be on the next run

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if i'm reading it correctly you can't finish the quest on the same run you beat em theseus

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so you beat him, start a new run, try to talk to poseidon and get the dialogue

atomic forge
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ok

hard rose
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for future reference: Achilles and Pat's favor do Not require wearing Achilles' keepsake to see Pat

hard rose
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(audio only works on imgur rip)

frail hull
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Why does leaving the underworld kill you?

hard rose
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here's my own overexplained theory

devout slate
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But if you really want to know

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||Zagreus is bound to hell because he was born there, so the further he goes from it, the worse he feels||

zinc belfry
barren bolt
barren bolt
zinc belfry
barren bolt
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yes

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i know the vine is of Waffle House but I’d love to imagine a freshly dead shade saying “can I PLEASE get an assignment” over zag and hades fight

zinc belfry
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Someone is going to make this into legit fanart I can feel it

barren bolt
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p l e a s e

zinc belfry
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Knowing our fandom and fandoms in general, someone is reading this right now and getting ideas, and will soon be filled with pure, caffeinated frenzy

barren bolt
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i hope so

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i have no artistic talent or I would

hard rose
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I have a whole animatic idea but no art skills, pain

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I'd comm someone but it's a 3 min song and I have 1 picture every line and it'll probably cost thousands

barren bolt
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oh terrifying

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my artistic talents lie in writing but fanfic terrifies me

zinc belfry
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Fanfic is a beast. I write it myself, but it's one of those things that makes me realize "wait, why is the sun setting-"

hard rose
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me: hmm this beginning scene is too sudden, I should write a short paragraph to set it up
The short paragraph: *grows to one page+ on its own

zinc belfry
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God, I am already a terrible rambler in my speaking, but it worsens when I write

barren bolt
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very valid

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tbh i almost exclusively write short stories because i do not have the dedication for long form work, i salute everyone who does

barren bolt
quasi forum
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hey the only way to make unlocking secret aspects easier is using the specific keepsake for the mission right?

frail plume
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if youre saying about getting lines from like gods?

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yea technically, its all just rng for the dialogue really

hard rose
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For gun and bow yeah

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Another way Might be to not give nectar past the first one, to restrict the dialogue pool

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had a file where I tried to get credits in as few runs as possible, barely anyone had nectar beyond the first, and I got all hidden aspects within 40 runs total or so

hard rose
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Theseus doesn't have one (at least on the times I tried) because he talks over everything

silent tangle
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Oh hey, thank you!

quasi forum
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Hey how long till i can start gifting Persephone nectars? 🤔

hard rose
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10 wins

languid temple
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does anyone remember if/when asterius learns zagreus's name?