That's good info to have.
#h1-builds-and-combat
warped hemlock
I'm up to 16 heat that I'm consistently fighting through, and winning about 40% of runs, but I have a ways to go.
warped hemlock
I'll keep that in mind. I'd check what I have it set to right now, but I'd have to turn my game back on and I'm still annoyed about that run that went stupidly well until the final fight lol.
valid dagger
You’ll have better runs eventually
valid dagger
https://imgur.com/a/kQakWMb here another example
Nemesis feels pretty good once you get this rhythm going
It takes practice and precision and it’s not that intuitive
long escarp
Sword is hard but it’s not quite as bad as people say it is I think
valid dagger
It’s hard yea
long escarp
Well it’s definitely not great but it’s underrated due to its difficulty
valid dagger
My 50 heat with Nemesis was pretty comfy
warped hemlock
I stopped playing for several months, because I got really busy with life so couldn't play it, but then saw a streamer I watch trying it out for the first time and just made me want to play again, and then I've played three runs since, one with a bow, one with a shield, and one with the sword, only the shield one was a win, because athena's deflect on special with zeus aspect is pretty powerful.
I don't think I used any death defies that run, it felt really good, but you know, shield is also really good on its own lol.
long escarp
Define powerful
warped hemlock
I would throw the shield and it would stun lock enemies and deflect any projectiles so it was basically a death barrier lol
warped hemlock
ME?
valid dagger
Merciful End
Usually it’s Athena Attack and Ares Special but the other way around can work
Special has good pom scaling and not as reliant on rarity as the attack is
warped hemlock
Oh yeah, I think it also got brought up to level like, 4 with poms so It really sort of just tore enemies apart.
long escarp
In terms of damage, Zeus Special and ME are the top 2
Third place is not even remotely close either
warped hemlock
Otherwise shield damage is pretty rough over all.
warped hemlock
It works well in the beginning but falls off later on without good boon builds. And, at least, for me, I get too reckless and rely too much on the shield's speed and try and squeeze too many hits out and sort of just get whittled away by enemies who attack fast and ultimately end up losing from that.
long escarp
Are you saying every shield is this way?
valid dagger
Well in this instance, Athena on the Special alone without Merciful End is pretty subpar so that’s expected, good builds are not as RNG as people think, some things are, but there is a consistent threshold that you can get literally every single run
long escarp
Zeus shield requires two boons to be extremely strong
Beowulf requires one to be great and a few more to be insane
Zag requires one hammer and a boon/shackle
valid dagger
And Chaos is either Zeus but worse or Zag but worse
warped hemlock
I think I tried Beowulf, but it's too slow for me, because I don't like to go slow, which is completely down to preference. And as for builds, I mean like, I could maybe try and get consistently good builds for everything, but I do like the added strategy of trying to work my way through whatever I can get, I typically avoid any of the gods or goddesses keepsakes and just sort of go with what I get. I typically don't really care for trying to build a strategy either, but it feels like, every time I try and use sword it's just a slog through the entire run from start to finish.
long escarp
Yeah I don’t like to go slow either
warped hemlock
I guess I'm pretty casual of a player in the whole scheme of things lol.
valid dagger
You kinda need something to get going on every weapon for it to feel pretty good atleast
And again, unless you have some incredible talent and experience it’s gonna be painful to wing it with whatever you can get
And most people don’t do that, literally only Retrash does
valid dagger
Yea some weapons are better for that, like Hestia Nemesis Zag bow Rama can wing it a lot better than like Beowulf which really needs an early cast and poms in it
Since they can work with whatever big % attack etc
warped hemlock
I mean, like, the way I see it, is if I prepare myself to get the best win chances, prioritizing build over gameplay I can't train my reactions and learn the best strategies in terms of gameplay against enemies or the best strategy against each enemy to find the best way to deal with them. If I learn how to do that, no matter what the build will be, I will be the best prepared I can be to win regardless.
warped hemlock
If I want to eventually try as close to a boonless run I can get, I will need to learn how to best adapt against each of the enemies and the best strategies for each of the weapons before I can manage that.
long escarp
If your problem is “game is too easy when I have a good build”, the solution of “make the game harder” is probably better than “don’t get a good build” 
valid dagger
I mean I agree with that I think
High heat is gonna make enemies tougher, if you’re used to enemies doing double damage and having 100 hp total at best and so on you’re gonna have 0 issues at lower heats etc
If you’re out of your comfort zone in terms of Heat even the best of builds wont save you
Builds are also a part of using weapons optimally
long escarp
Pushing heat with good builds will teach you much more than playing casually while disregarding optimal decisions
worn solar
if you can do 16 heat then 0 heat boonless aint really that difficult
long escarp
Very true
worn solar
tbh nothing but shackle is about as good or better than some builds 
valid dagger
I like playing with minimal stuff
valid dagger
I like playing with minimal stuff
Makes you quite aware of everything you’re buying and such, and forces you to work with very little yet strong cores/supports etc
worn solar
kinda can make you realize how few boons you actually need. a lot can just add to bloat really
warped hemlock
Yeah, that's true, I think before I go for optimal builds I would rather just try to play the game boonless. That way I can learn the best ins and outs of the weapons without any of the side effects, learning to get the most out of the weapon itself, maybe prioritizing learning the ins and outs of the aspects over anything else.
worn solar
idk about that. a lot of weapons play the same boonless or not and other aspects are tied to boon synergy
like rail attack is pretty much designed to go with zeus/dio attack because of its high hit rate and low damage
while theres cast aspects like hera and beo
long escarp
Yeah most weapons really don’t work boonless
Boonless Eris is honestly just bad
straight up
Same with Beo
Hera
Achilles
worn solar
slapping an aphro attack on hestia rail isnt much different from shackle hestia except you have some damage resistance and a different damage curve
long escarp
Yeah
But for some weapons, they really need boons to actually function
That’s why people don’t play boonless much
Because the ranking of aspects starts to look like a smash brawl tier list with Hestia as Meta Knight
Boonless doesn’t teach you “the best ins and outs of the weapons”, not even remotely
warped hemlock
Yeah, but it might be a fun challenge.
long escarp
Ok but that’s not what you said
Boonless is a kinda interesting challenge (specifically on Hestia)
But it’s a terrible way to “learn the best ins and outs of the weapons”
Your words
warped hemlock
Anyway, it's almost 2 in the morning, so I'm gonna head off for the night probably, have to work tomorrow earlier than usual.
desert meteor
Zeus with doom, merciful end, stacking doom and other effects that happen per special attack can be so overpowered man
The shield keeps hitting and effects keep adding up
I'm playing with zeus shield to unlock beowulf but I doubt beowulf can get me faster times than this amazing thing
valid dagger
Beowulf is faster
desert meteor
ooo
valid dagger
Atleast it’s a lot easier to go fast with Beowulf
Community has more sub6 Beowulf runs than all the other aspects combined
desert meteor
something I'm worried about with beowulf is that enemies might just be out of the range or too laterally spaced out to kill them in low rushes
desert meteor
Community has more sub6 Beowulf runs than all the other aspects combined
oh gooddamn
desert meteor
chaos lazy ass is just not giving me beowulf it's so annoying, I have guan yu unlocked and 5 titian blood invested, but even after like 6 gates haven't gotten it
valid dagger
https://youtu.be/bWyRwXCF52A here is my shameless plug
I’ll post this everytime I get the chance
|| ||
desert meteor
Goddamn that IGT is less than half of my best IGT (15min latest Zeus shield run)
valid dagger
Beowulf gud
errant narwhal
chaos lazy ass is just not giving me beowulf it's so annoying, I have guan yu un...
are you playing with the shield? i believe they need to comment on it first
desert meteor
are you playing with the shield? i believe they need to comment on it first
Yep shield
Did 2 completions with shield
valid dagger
Yea when you talk to them they should comment about it
desert meteor
Taking all chaos I got
valid dagger
Might have a lot of dialogue clogging it up
hazy slate
Say real quick question about beo what flare is better for speed?
desert meteor
Might have a lot of dialogue clogging it up
Yeah he was busy talking bout nyx and arrival of persephone in the dialogues I got
valid dagger
Say real quick question about beo what flare is better for speed?
Flood
hazy slate
Is it because of its aoe?
valid dagger
Aoe and Mirage prereq
And good pom scaling
You need Mirage shot
It’s massive damage
hazy slate
I’ll keep it in mind
valid dagger
Trippy Flare and Passion flare are after Flood but you’ll have consistency problems and it’s just lots of rng
hazy slate
I don’t think I’ve gotten mirage shot yet so I wanna try and grab it next time I go beo
valid dagger
Flood is consistent
valid dagger
I don’t think I’ve gotten mirage shot yet so I wanna try and grab it next time I...
Mirage shot is bugged on Beowulf, it does 100% instead of 30%
hazy slate
OH
valid dagger
Bugged on flares to be specific
hazy slate
That’s certainly a lot more damage
hazy slate
Yeah so for keepsakes for the run it would be
Poseidon boon, then arty, then either acorn or sigil for the last 2?
valid dagger
No
Well items are very important
So Hourglass in Elysium
Check every well
Even better if you can roll them
hazy slate
Ah I see
I haven’t used hourglass all that much I needta level it up
Just keep looking for Prometheus stone’s and whatever is the one that boost’s cast damage for beo runs yeah?
valid dagger
Yes, Braids / Stones and Ixions are your top priority
But you usually just buy out everything
Eris Bangles / Cyclops Jerky
It’s just damage, Beowulf attack is no joke
Moreso with Charged shot
And healing transitions into High confidence so it’s worth having a bit of those
Any Well past chamber 29 is gonna last til the end of the run assuming it’s a 2 sack
So that’s when you can consider rolling them
Because at some point you’re mostly getting more damage for the dad fight
Everything else is melting either way when 1 flare is doing 700+
Can watch a good example run
To see the decision making etc
hazy slate
I’ll try and look for one in the morning probs
valid dagger
Leaderboards should help, gl, the speedrunning community is also really helpful to guide you through this stuff, link is pinned in #self-promotion if you’re interested
near heath
Waht's the best way to run a Chiron bow to climb heat
strange lark
Aphro attack + Artemis/Dio special
Then get the duo boons
You can also do Poseidon special + any Zeus core boon for sea storm
near heath
Cool
near heath
Aphro attack + Artemis/Dio special
So I should start with Aphro?
strange lark
I would start with the special
near heath
But what if I don't get Aphro later?
strange lark
Force her in aspho
hazy slate
ye
near heath
And is Aphro-Dio better or Aphro-Ares? Assuming I only get one
strange lark
Aphro ares kinda ass
hazy slate
aphro-arte?
strange lark
Idk just get both
near heath
aphro-arte?
Well yeah Heart Rend is just godlike
hazy slate
what cast is good for hera bow?
hazy slate
what casts are stygian soul good with?
digital turtle
can you get greatest reflex on gilgamesh
proper furnace
Yeah
lucid oar
You can potentially have 8 dashes
digital turtle
amazing
proper furnace
Thats a lot of big cooldown dashes 
digital turtle
does it increase the cooldown for it?
proper furnace
Gilga dashes are shorter and bigger cooldown by default
Compared to normal dashes
digital turtle
ahh
so much more dash but slightly longer cooldown
welp time to grind out hermes boons ig
valid dagger
@balmy drift just from a quick look at what you had in that run, your pact should just use EM2 and FO1/2 and the rest can be turned off assuming you’re going for anyheat igt, EM2 makes the Lernie arena smaller which allows you to go through it quickly, FO makes enemies spawn quicker and also attack faster which in this case benefits Eris due to Jolted, as for your mirror, you want Fiery Presence, Rockets cant backstab, and first hit is very important for hitting breakpoints such as one shotting witches/brimstones and even thugs if you have the hammer, up next you want High confidence, if you’re not as confident in your play that’s fine but it’s something you want to transition to eventually, Pstatus isn’t that good on Eris, FF is a good damage boost with full uptime and since Eris doesn’t really revolve around curses pstatus is too much of a hassle, Dark Foresight over Olympian Favor all the time, Dark foresight is simply way too strong, and Eris is needy in terms of boons anyway, Olympian Favor doesn’t do much, you also want to swap Legacy to Pride, Eris doesn’t shoot for any duo boons, potentially Zeus Legendary but Epic boons are still stronger, especially Hermes, and you wont consistently get a lot of Zeus anyway, Fated Persuasion is correct
As for build I wouldnt take Divine Dash, Tidal dash is the top for speed on Eris without a contender, Blade dash is okay sometimes, the rest looks okay, I don’t like Crush shot but it’s fine, also do check this guide made by SS and the community, https://youtu.be/_bxwSsTPubI and join the speedrunning Discord pinned in #self-promotion if you’re interested in learning more and getting better as I am no Eris player
zenith bison
sorry to be off topic but i'll ask my question here since it is active right now
where exactly is the general channel?
i couldnt find it
valid dagger
sorry to be off topic but i'll ask my question here since it is active right now...
For Hades?
zenith bison
for the whole discord i mean
valid dagger
zenith bison
thank you so much, i get overwhelmed in these type of big servers
balmy drift
As for build I wouldnt take Divine Dash, Tidal dash is the top for speed on Eris...
Wow, such a thorough summary.
All these abbreviations are pretty overwhelming haha, guess I'll have to study them. Funny how I didn't even know you could change the mirror things until like my 100th run lol!
Thank you for all this, I'll give the Discord and YouTube video a look.
valid dagger
Yea takes a while to get used to it
Watching vods by top runners or asking for a vod review in said discord server also helps a lot
valid dagger
@balmy drift Here is a guide to Eris by former WR holder Lili, https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/, it’s more specific to the aspect as opposed to my more generalized advice
cunning urchin
thank you so much, i get overwhelmed in these type of big servers
Mute all the channels that aren't important for you. Makes navigation a lot easier. 
zenith bison
Mute all the channels that aren't important for you. Makes navigation a lot easi...
thats a great tip, thank you 
turbid needle
basic bewulf build?
long escarp
Flood Flare, Deadly Strike, Mirage Shot
Prioritize bloodstones or cast damage from wells and chaos
spiral flax
Is it real that you can get 4 options for boons?
lucid oar
Not without mods
strange lark
speedrunners use cheats to get that
digital turtle
ok i need help
with the achievement to get a uhhh
the butterfly to 30% damage bonus
long escarp
Use Hestia
digital turtle
hm
valid dagger
Shouldnt be that bad
Hestia is very safe you can no-hit rooms very reliably with it
And just don’t use any heat
reef jetty
Which gods ultimate is the best? Which I should take
tawny grove
do you mean call
reef jetty
Yeah
tawny grove
Zeus Poseidon Athena Dionysus are the top 4
reef jetty
Zeus is only for melee weapon. How about artemida?
reef jetty
Really? When I was playing with zeus call I can't deal damage
reef jetty
Bow
long escarp
Simply get close to the enemies when you use the call
Also bow is generally not very far away anyway
Usually you stay within a dash distance of the enemies
reef jetty
Simply get close to the enemies when you use the call
Thanks for advice
long escarp
Hades is unpredictable
He is actually extremely predictable
Him and Megaera are the most predictable bosses imo
And Theseus
Tisiphone is also up there
reef jetty
Ok
tawny grove
charon most predictable
long escarp
Honestly no
narrow spruce
I forget if "Ambiguity bonus" does anything.
tawny grove
it doesnt
unreal tree
Emotional buff
shell sleet
it increases the odds of winning the run
digital turtle
honestly charon is one of the harder bosses in the game, on base. with extreme measures, well, i think there hades takes the cake
valid dagger
The whole gimmick of Charon is that people don’t fight him often enough to learn his moveset
Once you do learn it it’s very easy
lofty badge
Hades spear with Artemida talents OP?
valid dagger
Artemis Special is pretty good on Hades spear with Explosive Launcher + Charged Skewer
lofty badge
valid dagger
Using it on the attack and memeing with some spins is fun too
lofty badge
dense finch
proper furnace
Pins on #h1-story-discussion
storm tree
B
desert meteor
Best hammers for beowulf?
valid dagger
Best hammers for beowulf?
Charged Shot is the strongest by quite a bit, followed by Breaching Rush Sudden Rush Ferocious not in a specific order
Other decent picks are Unyielding Defense
And maybe Dashing Wallop
The rest doesnt do anything
desert meteor
Charged Shot is the strongest by quite a bit, followed by Breaching Rush Sudden ...
What makes charged shot good? You'd have to dash to get your casts back anyway, so why not make use of the normal bull rush for that?
proper furnace
High base dmg/and range makes you so enemies cant keeo escaping
Or you get this
tight basin
also less risky since you're not charging head first right into danger
proper furnace
Bullrush is safer than cshot tho
tidal marsh
iframes are king, especially later on in the run
The only thing iframes aren't really king on is with vermin...
Which is basically " don't stand in the green goop"
proper furnace
What vermin? Tiny or beeeeg one
tidal marsh
the big dudes that spray goop everywhere
tight basin
Bullrush is safer than cshot tho
i always find myself having to dash out of danger whenever i have bull rush, and the casts dont drop down fast enough before i have to dash away
proper furnace
i always find myself having to dash out of danger whenever i have bull rush, and...
Bullrush = block before and have iframes during all the rush itself
Cshot = can take dmg as soon you drop the shield
valid dagger
idk about ifames if I one shot everything
tight basin
lmfao
valid dagger
Charged Shot has a much quicker release
feral night
that too
proper furnace
Also yeah its beo so mostly you kil thing before thing can kil u
tight basin
makes sense i guess tho
valid dagger
https://streamable.com/gt6dfv see iframed everything
tight basin
oh i've seen that
i guess you can't really do that with charged shot huh
or at least more difficult
strange lark
you can
tight basin
6 casts tho lmao
strange lark
yeah in that clip its not about cshot its about the casts
tidal marsh
https://streamable.com/gt6dfv see iframed everything <:bouldy:523329116934635534...
what the heck
tight basin
3.7k burst damage or something lmao
strange lark
a little more than that
valid dagger
yea that sure is a build
tight basin
trippy flare is big damage but it takes a while to get the cast back tho
strange lark
thats why you use stygian soul
tight basin
SomeNoobDying didn't have that lol
proper furnace
Extra casts from chaos/charon wells/fully loaded
proper furnace
That build was chaos artemis tho
But using charon keepsake for 14 encounters extra casts is great
Or braids
tidal marsh
what is trippy flare? lol
I just finished my first ever escape, (in 18 total attempts)
tight basin
dionysus cast for beowulf shield
tidal marsh
beowulf? is that the bottom titan blood thing? i just got the game yesterday lol
tight basin
yes
tidal marsh
That's, as your namesake
the video is hilarious
"Meg, Help!" incoherent yelling "Heroes Vanquished"
proper furnace
dionysus cast for beowulf shield
Is also for hera aspect of the bow
tidal marsh
what else is in there, it looks like Poseidon splash as well
proper furnace
In Mike video? Thats flood flare
tight basin
i think all the god's casts turns into flares for beowulf and hera
tight basin
ah
tight basin
cast builds are just strong lol
visual jungle
The tunnel with the satyr sack is random after you've passed 7 chambers, right? I'm seeing someone say there's a high chance of it being in the first tunnel to the left, and a low chance of it being in a boss tunnel. I'm... Pretty sure that's not true? Idk I haven't looked at the code or anything like that
long escarp
That’s not true at all
2-sack is about 52% chance
There’s no tunnels that have different sack odds
visual jungle
Thank u I was so confused abt what they were saying LOL
long escarp
Taking boss chambers first is much better btw
They’re faster, generally easier, and have better rewards
visual jungle
agreed!! I hate the regular final chamber with the three waves of enemies, it's worse imo
tidal marsh
Any suggestions on what to build with bow of hera? obviously casts but
i'm struggling to beat hades
tidal marsh
it's probably tied to a lot of skill issue
long escarp
Crush shot is miles better than anything else
Remember to take chaos over basically everything
And roll aggressively for cast damage/bloodstones
And also roll Hermes aggressively for quick reload
Also try bone hourglass in Elysium to stack up well items (remember to buy items from the interbiome before you take it off)
Don’t take hourglass into Styx though, it’s unnecessary
tidal marsh
is there a pin somewhere on like.. how to properly prioritize door choices?
I feel like i'm.. feeling around in the dark sometimes
tidal marsh
More or less a flowchart of door "tiers' but... it seems to be completely independently tied to build
the game's simple but very complicated with the amount of variables.
long escarp
Yeah it depends on way too many factors
If you have specific questions I can answer them
tidal marsh
aaand once again get hades down to like 10-20% before he gets me x.x
i need to work on getting to him without dying more lol
drowsy wind
Could thick skin help? 
long escarp
Lmao yeah use think skin
hazy slate
what hammers are good for hestia?
valid dagger
what hammers are good for hestia?
The usual Clockets are always good, Hazard Piercing Ricochet Triple Targeting are all decent picks too
long escarp
Hestia has a ton of good hammers
still root
Hey guys, I'm sitting on 15 titan blood, enough to max out one of the second tier aspects. Which are the best ones?
long escarp
The best aspects in the game?
Hestia, Eris, Zeus
Beowulf and Rama too but those are hidden aspects
still root
I meant out of the second ones, but that's good to know, thanks
Looks like I can get Eris
long escarp
Why does it matter if it’s a second or third one
Don’t they basically take the same amount of blood
It’s like 14 vs 15 isn’t it?
strange lark
15 vs 16
tidal marsh
Holy crap i didn't think I'd enjoy this full ares Cast/Call build lol
went for full timer, pull spin time, radius seeking Cast/call build
That was my fastest Heroes arena ever haha
long escarp
What aspect?
long escarp
Oh
tidal marsh
so i just hit them for 10 seconds, full gauge, and cast, then full bar call and single phased both heroes... then did it again
long escarp
Wait until you see cast damage on an aspect that increases your cast damage
tidal marsh
Ya i can only imagine if i had gotten this build with Hera and some chaos influence lol
might run it back with Hera bow
long escarp
Attack or cast
tidal marsh
Yeah that will be interesting
long escarp
If you do raging rush and then cast 4 times, every cast gets the full +150% damage for its full duration
That’s why it’s by far the best hunting blades and crystal clarity aspect in the game
tidal marsh
Ya i think i will probably end up running it back for this lol
now that i finally remembered to give Ares nectar
graceful smelt
whats a good spear build, aspect of zagreus
hasty notch
Am I limiting myself by using the sword? I like using it but I don’t even know if it’s the best weapon to use in this game
feral night
it's one of the worst
what weapons do you have unlocked?
any aspects?
are you using the standing attack or the dash-strikes?
hasty notch
So far I have the bow, shield, and spear unlocked, I can unlock these fist looking weapons
feral night
prioritize unlocking them all, and play with different weapons
that gets you more bounties (titan blood)
bow is easy once you get the powershot timing down
long escarp
If you haven’t even unlocked every weapon, play literally whatever and just work on your fundamentals
Learn the enemies and their matters
Don’t even worry about optimal
hasty notch
I see, thanks for the advice
graceful smelt
aspect of zeus shield, explosive return or empowering flight
hazy slate
Iirc usually a special build with the hammer that lets you charge up the spear throw
Can do funny things with spin sometimes
dire void
See I only have 15 hp. W/o buffs. You have to be good at dodging with this one
proper furnace
Gy at lvl 1 is pretty rough in first place
#h1-discussion message
Nyaanyaa GY guide anyways
hasty notch
what weapons do you have unlocked?
any aspects?
What are aspects? 
feral night
you'll find out once you unlock all the weapons
hazy slate
Say qq for champions, to like, reliably hit both of them with meg I move up yeah?
long escarp
Press the up key (or up on the DPad) and then immediately summon
Right at the start of the fight
quasi briar
EFlight sucks
I thought it would be really good with zeus because the special constantly hits
strange lark
even if it did it wouldnt be that good because most of your damage is coming from your special
long escarp
If you had CShot it could be pretty good (if it worked that way)
strange lark
rocket
dire void
Any1 can reccomend a good aspect of talos build?
lucid oar
Ares attack, Athena special and dash, the duo boon merciful end
dire void
Ok, but regarding ares and athene. How does doom stack?
Is it best with doom on special and athene on attack? Or do doom stack with the attacks?
strange lark
do exactly what rmacinty said
dusky moss
You use Ares on attack because you eventually proc it with Divine Dash
You need Athena on Special to qualify for Merciful End, though
dire void
Ok, havent quite figured out all the mechanics yet. But you qualify for merciful end either way as I see it.
But ill try that build. Didnt get lucky with boons this time, so have it reversed this run :/
dusky moss
You want Ares on what you are attacking with the most
Usually it is attack, not special
dire void
Thanks
tidal marsh
Oh i think i found a new favorite combo
Hestia + Targeting special
- Artemis Atk
Stage 3 in Tartarus already hit a 1k crit lol
tidal marsh
ended up a bunk run anyways, died too many times due to skill issue lol
copper cradle
Anyone got some good Varatha builds? I keep getting my butt kicked with the Spear by Redacted more often so than other weapons
hazy slate
Achilles with like, a cast build works nicely
copper cradle
What cast build can I go for?
hazy slate
Last I tried I went for hunting blades
There are other cast duos that work well tho iirc
copper cradle
Hmm... would an Ares cast build work?
proper furnace
hunting blades is the duo boon that you want on his cast so yes
copper cradle
Understood, thank you guys!
quick rapids
Thinking that pure dmg is the way to go
for guan yu I like to go with:
Attack either Dio or artemis
special Demeter
cast Poseidon
Dash athena
Call doesnt really matter but zues has the best
also i like to put Olympians legacy and get a whole bunvh of duos
long escarp
That’s very different from the GY build that I’d suggest
For special you definitely want Aphrodite since it does more damage and also weak is very helpful to mitigate the reduced hp
long escarp
Cast isn’t really important so I would not worry about it too much. Poseidon and Athena are probably the best options. But really don’t worry about it because it’s not nearly as important
Zeus call is probably the best boon to get after you get heartbreak flourish
Since now you can shoot for Smoldering Air
long escarp
Which will greatly increase your damage and safety
Remember that you have invincibility for a very short time when you use a call
quick rapids
is vengeful mood worth it?
quick rapids
Remember that you have invincibility for a very short time when you use a call
and yes
long escarp
is vengeful mood worth it?
Nah
quick rapids
ok
long escarp
It can be good but it’s never worth really shooting for
quick rapids
alright
long escarp
But if you happen to have a few revenge boons and it shows up (which is very rare), then definitely take it
quick rapids
thank you, what do you prefer, Gods legacy or the higher epic chances one.
quick rapids
ok
hazy slate
Like trying to get mirage shot for beo as an example
long escarp
One big reason Pride is so good is because of Hermes. His default odds for epic boons is 3%. With God’s Pride, the number becomes 23%
long escarp
Like trying to get mirage shot for beo as an example
Exactly
Flood Flare Beo uses God’s Legacy
Since you desperately need mirage shot and you also don’t care too much about Hermes or Flood Flare rarity
hazy slate
Getting those at a higher rarity is nice but not necessary
long escarp
But most players running Merciful End builds choose to use God’s Pride because the rarity of your doom attack is extremely important, and epic Hermes boons are also very very good
quick rapids
got it
rain ingot
what is a build
i can't just buttonmash them into oblivion?????
turbid needle
pick the shiny colours
tidal marsh
Does Curse of Longing interact with Merciful End?
(Doom hits Weak enemies repeatedly + Deflect attacks immediately apply doom)
lucid oar
If you utilise one, you don’t utilise the other
tidal marsh
How so?
lucid oar
Setting off doom doesn’t allow the successive hits to occur
tidal marsh
Confirmed?
lucid oar
It’s not really an interaction that needs to be confirmed lol
But yeah ig
It’s just how they work
tidal marsh
if th eenemy is Weak, the doom will be continously affecting them...
it repeatedly strikes them, i figured with Merciful end it would make that cycle faster
lucid oar
Curse of longing only works if you don’t keep hitting an enemy with a doom attack
Applying doom 3 times to an enemy will deal more damage in the same time
Vs applying it once with CoL
tidal marsh
That's not the interaction i'm talking about though
long escarp
(Doom hits Weak enemies repeatedly + Deflect attacks immediately apply doom)
No, this does not work
That’s what rmacinty is saying lmao
It literally actually does not work that way
tidal marsh
Oh i believe you was jsut trying to make sure i understood lol
lucid oar
Merciful end can’t be utilised if you leave the enemy alone
Curse of longing can only be utilised if you leave the enemy alone
long escarp
And I’m sure you can guess which is gonna be more damage
tidal marsh
Struggling to escape with Hestia
I've tried a plethora of boons but the one that seems to work the best so far is Artemis atk as a primary damage source but
idk
valid dagger
It’s not that good
Artemis attack cant hit breakpoints consistently and when it crits it’s overkill
Take an Aphro attack
Much better
It’s good to dash strike everytime because it can scale better through Chaos and possibly Hunter dash, and learn to cancel your reload animations
tidal marsh
I can already animation cancel the reload pretty well, and dash striking i'm still workign on, i end up missing a lot of the attacks if i'm strafing
valid dagger
If you’re on kbm turn off aim at cursor
tidal marsh
does taht just target the nearest enemy then?
valid dagger
Yes
south cliff
what are some aspects that I must try
hoary slate
All of them.
rain ingot
i just realized that dionysus boons give poison and not some sort of confused/blinded effect
oh and btw is there any use for aphrodite boons in more offensive playstyles (i.e. dash-strike and pray to god)
feral night
yes
aphrodite gives the best % damage bonuses in the game, she's super useful for getting the biggest numbers possible
plus weak is great
tight basin
the only builds i've tried with aphrodite is beowulf with ares duo and hestia, not even sure if those were good combos lol
feral night
try any strong slow attack with aphro
rama, hestia, arthur
aphrodite pairs great with herself so you don't really need duos
worn solar
curse of longing is pretty trash
if you want an aphro duo its either smouldering air or heartrend
long escarp
what are some aspects that I must try
Hestia 
feral night
gilgamesh
long escarp
the only builds i've tried with aphrodite is beowulf with ares duo and hestia, n...
Heartbreak Strike is great on Hestia. But CoL sucks, and you really don’t want doom attack on Beo
tight basin
so would stacking aphrodite damage be better than relying on random crits with artemis? whenever i want big damage hits i generally go with artemis because of the crits instead of just raw damage
strange lark
Depends on the attack
If it's something slow like hestia or Arthur then aphro is better
fallen spoke
beeg lightning
strange lark
If it's fast but still has a high base damage like spread fire or flurry jab then Artemis is usually better
tight basin
i see
fallen spoke
beeg lightning
i forgot to screenshot
tight basin
i'll try out an arthur or hestia run next time with aprho
im assuming aprho cast for hestia right
tight basin
what cast then? because i thought aphro cast also did a lot of damage
long escarp
so would stacking aphrodite damage be better than relying on random crits with a...
Breakpoints are very important
proper furnace
Doesnt matter
strange lark
Why would you focus on cast for hestia
proper furnace
Just dont pick something that disables boiling blood
tight basin
isn't it a cast build or am i thinking of a different weapon
long escarp
Hestia??
proper furnace
Thats hera
tight basin
ah
strange lark
No hestia is rail
proper furnace
Happens more often than you think
tight basin
yeah aphro attack makes sense on hestia rail
long escarp
But yeah Aphrodite is way better than Artemis for things like Hestia because you want to 1-shot enemies. 200 damage might not be enough and 600 damage is completely overkill. Better to do 300 damage every shot
tight basin
makes sense
long escarp
That’s what people mean when they talk about breakpoints
uncut sparrow
since everything i love is apparently crap, what is an example of a good boon
strange lark
When you crit for 1k on an enemy that has 5 armor left
strange lark
since everything i love is apparently crap, what is an example of a **good** boo...
Wdym
Everything you love is crap
everything
uncut sparrow
every time i say “oh i like this boon” people say ew you suck that boon’s ass
tight basin
since everything i love is apparently crap, what is an example of a **good** boo...
when in doubt, can't go wrong with pressure points with artemis
strange lark
Give me an example
uncut sparrow
Give me an example
peer pressure
strange lark
Lol
uncut sparrow
tidal strike
strange lark
Lol
uncut sparrow
yeah see
strange lark
😔
tight basin
which boon is peer pressure
proper furnace
Hangiver inflicts to nearby enemies
tight basin
ah
proper furnace
But at different pom lvls than yours
strange lark
Uhh that's a really broad question it depends on the aspect
long escarp
It’s easy to name bad boons because they’re always bad
tight basin
peer pressure doesn't sound too bad if you're using something like fists, if you have dionysus attack
long escarp
But lots of boons are situationally good
long escarp
peer pressure doesn't sound too bad if you're using something like fists, if you...
Nah it hurts you
tight basin
okay nvm then lmao
proper furnace
peer pressure doesn't sound too bad if you're using something like fists, if you...
Tl;dr new stacks override older stacks of hangover
If your main hangover is higher, peer pressure will make that enemies take less dmg
tight basin
oh that's wack
proper furnace
Peer pressure is wack in general
long escarp
Exactly. It’s very rare that it does anything but if it does, it will hurt you
proper furnace
If the only stacks from hangover are from peer pressure it does like x8 dmg iirc lol
long escarp
Yeah that’s a weird bug
tight basin
back to the main point tho lol
most of the boons are fine, some are just conditional, but some are also just nonhelpful in general
proper furnace
Tempest strike is sad
long escarp
Tempest Strike is a genuine candidate for worst boon in the entire game
Peer Pressure hurts you but at least it doesn’t waste your entire attack boon slot 
proper furnace
Purging pool food
tight basin
i feel like if you want to use tempest strike, the one place it could work on would be with hestia rail, only because it has a pretty good damage boost but might as well pick aphrodite at that point
proper furnace
Tempest strike is one of the lowests % boosts
tight basin
i thought it was decently high rip
uncut sparrow
Tempest Strike is a genuine candidate for worst boon in the entire game
why
i love tempest strike
it’s so fun
tight basin
you're just knocking away the enemy you want to kill
strange lark
i thought it was decently high rip
Lvl 5 tempest strike is like lvl 2 aphro attack
tight basin
oh fun
uncut sparrow
you're just knocking away the enemy you want to kill
yeah and doing extra damage
it’s insane in styx
strange lark
Lvl 5 tempest strike is like lvl 2 aphro attack
Read this
uncut sparrow
because small room
proper furnace
Any knockback is insane in styx
tight basin
just use tidal dash then
proper furnace
Tidal dash/flood shot being biggest examples
uncut sparrow
just use tidal dash then
harder to aim where you want to send the enemy
tight basin
then put it on your cast
strange lark
Tempest strike just does no damage
uncut sparrow
Any knockback is insane in styx
that’s why i like it so much
tight basin
cast has more coverage than a single hit and deals more damage
long escarp
why
It has the lowest % increase in the entire game, and also knocks enemies away which is basically always a downside. You’re often better without a boon at all LMAO
uncut sparrow
Tempest strike just does no damage
idk man grab shield and tempest strike, throw on pressure points for and you do like 1500 damage every time you blink
long escarp
strange lark
It has the lowest % increase in the entire game, and also knocks enemies away wh...
Um actually Artemis has the lowest % in the game Mr pancake
long escarp
idk man grab shield and tempest strike, throw on pressure points for and you do ...
?????
strange lark
LMAO
strange lark
Thanks bro imma get me a sub 5
long escarp
LMAO
long escarp
Yeah
long escarp
The busted mirror talent that greatly increases how many boons and poms you get
proper furnace
is that the one that boosts rare boon chance
Green side of that one
strange lark
is that the one that boosts rare boon chance
Nah that's Olympian favor
You should use it
long escarp
is that the one that boosts rare boon chance
No that’s Olympian Favor, the other side that’s extremely bad compared to the ludicrous power of DF (this is not a joke to be clear)
uncut sparrow
Nah that's Olympian favor
oh lol i think i use olympian favor lol
long escarp
THIS IS WHY I PUT IT IN MY NAME
tight basin
lmfao
strange lark
😩
long escarp
So I can hopefully help one person swap to Dark Foresight
Because Dark Foresight is absurd
tight basin
bouta change my nickname so it says to use a useless mirror talent
proper furnace
Pancake leader cultist of dark foresight
strange lark
bouta change my nickname so it says to use a useless mirror talent
Fated persuasion
Wait no
Authority
Do authority
proper furnace
Dark regeneration
strange lark
tight basin
Bananas | USE DARK REGENERATION
long escarp
The difference between Persuasion and Authority is microscopic compared to the difference between OF and DF
strange lark
Golden touch
uncut sparrow
i like authority
uncut sparrow
Golden touch
gold touch is good
long escarp
How
tight basin
i dont remember any of these names lmao
worn solar
only if you want bounties
strange lark
Damn what you said earlier was actually true
uncut sparrow
Do you actually use every single bad option
it’s money?
long escarp
Did you watch a speedrun and then pick the exact opposite talents of them?
strange lark
Like 5 money
uncut sparrow
the alternative is ass lol
strange lark
Lololol
worn solar
no its not lol
long escarp
it’s money?
This may shock you, but 100 gold is also money
long escarp
Yeah it’s actually very good
worn solar
an extra 100 gold means you can buy at least 2 boons by the time you reach tart midshop most of the time
proper furnace
You use most of your money at the start of a run
long escarp
Let me guess, you also use Ruthless Reflex on every weapon because literally nobody needs an extra dash?
worn solar
tart gold is extremely useful to actually getting the build you want
tight basin
lmao
strange lark
Let me guess, you also use Ruthless Reflex on every weapon because literally nob...
i mean they probably use gilgamesh so probably yeah
long escarp
None of those choices are nearly as important as Dark Foresight but they still matter a lot
Playing without Dark Foresight is massively handicapping your builds
strange lark
Proof?????
uncut sparrow
nah i left this conversation when it started turning into exactly what these stupid convos always become
tight basin
i mean you're free to use whatever you want
long escarp
A discussion of what’s good and what isn’t?
uncut sparrow
i mean you're free to use whatever you want
exactly
long escarp
You can use whatever you want
But I’m pretty sure you literally asked why certain things weren’t good
uncut sparrow
A discussion of what’s good and what isn’t?
money = fun and tempest strike best boon in game lol i am god here
rain ingot
i mean you're free to use whatever you want
except for Aphrodite boons
long escarp
money = fun and tempest strike best boon in game lol i am god here
I don’t know how to tell you this but 100 gold is money
rain ingot
if you use aphrodite boons i will annex your country
uncut sparrow
I don’t know how to tell you this but 100 gold is money
golden touch gets you more money
strange lark
LMAO
long escarp
if you use aphrodite boons i will annex your country
Aphrodite boons are very good????????
Her attack and special have the highest % increase in the whole game
proper furnace
golden touch gets you more money
But to get money i cant spend it
long escarp
She also has Smoldering Air
rain ingot
Deadly Strike is really good
strange lark
Skip all shops and save your money until Styx will get you more money with golden touch yeah, but then you'll have like no boon, poms, or health
worn solar
styx upgraded boon and poms are scammy
long escarp
golden touch gets you more money
What’s better: buying boons in Tartarus and Asphodel so you can have a good build faster, or buying the entire Styx shop and ending the Hades fight with 400 gold you never spent?
rain ingot
i know Artemis has better boons like Flourish but for the simple man who has never heard of a special in his life it's good
long escarp
We just discussed this actually
long escarp
i know Artemis has better boons like Flourish but for the simple man who has nev...
Heartbreak Strike is extremely good
uncut sparrow
What’s better: buying boons in Tartarus and Asphodel so you can have a good buil...
idk which side is which so now you’re catch me saying things i don’t agree with
strange lark
Huh
long escarp
Starting the run with gold >>>> Having a ton of gold at the end of the run that you can’t spend because you refused to buy anything so you could get more golden touch value
rain ingot
oh man i love Drunken Dash
valid dagger
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/968246204427300924/Hades_ihLrZWumJb.png This is what your mirror should look like
strange lark
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/968246204427300924/Had...
👆
long escarp
Thick Skin pretty good though
worn solar
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/968246204427300924/Had...
10/10 would recommend
tight basin
i take too much damage to actually use High Confidence correctly lmao
valid dagger
fr tho read this #h1-for-new-players message
long escarp
Yeah Hc is only for speedruns
worn solar
as long as you win the run hc is free
long escarp
Oh you wrote a mirror guide too?
valid dagger
It's very brief
long escarp
I had a mirror guide from a bit ago but idk how good it is compared to yours
uncut sparrow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/968246204427300924/Had...
stubborn defiance is kinda mid in some builds
long escarp
Mine is shorter than yours for sure
valid dagger
Mine was a lot of effort it took me 10 minutes
It gets the point across I havent seen yours idk
long escarp
Mine took me less. I wrote it for someone on another server who was learning Hades
uncut sparrow
LMAO OH NOOOO
yeah funny joke mirror i get it wow so cool
long escarp
The joke is that every single option is bad
uncut sparrow
The joke is that every single option is bad
yeah
stubborn defiance have very niche uses
long escarp
Yeah obviously
uncut sparrow
say, if you’re bad at the game
tight basin
well, as far as i know, stubborn defiance is only good in high heat runs, i don't think there are whole weapon builds centered arount stubborn defiance
long escarp
I use it way more than DDs
uncut sparrow
and die in every level
tight basin
in high heat, every room is a death sentence and SD is an infinite health pool
strange lark
Don't need sd just don't get hit 😤
tight basin
based
long escarp
in high heat, every room is a death sentence and SD is an infinite health pool
Also LC4
tight basin
yeah
long escarp
SD gives you both the ability to add more heat and the leniency to get hit many times in bad rooms
rain ingot
Don't need sd just don't get hit 😤
you're joking but this is literally the hollow knight community's stance on survivablity charms (thorns is pretty bad tho)
worn solar
just dont forget with one youre using
strange lark
you're joking but this is literally the hollow knight community's stance on surv...
Based
long escarp
you're joking but this is literally the hollow knight community's stance on surv...
Thorns isn’t survivability, it actually makes you take more damage since it steals your i-frames
worn solar
dont need either if you dont get hit smh
tight basin
you're joking but this is literally the hollow knight community's stance on surv...
i've never played hollow knight, but don't you have a relatively low health pool, so the idea of "just don't get hit lmao" is actually pretty valid?
long escarp
Yeah kinda true
I mean, you will get hit
Unless you’re doing hitless
But it’s better to do more damage than to focus on defense
tight basin
you will get hit, and when you do, just don't
strange lark
I mean, you *will* get hit
You will I wont
worn solar
ur hp pool is pretty low if you run into hl5 fo2 hs em4 dad
long escarp
The damaging charms are way too good in that game to give up
rain ingot
i've never played hollow knight, but don't you have a relatively low health pool...
basically all charms are rated on whether you can use them in the final boss rush
long escarp
Yes because everyone who ranks charms is not dying to overworld enemies and only needs charms for pantheons
rain ingot
basically all charms are rated on whether you can use them in the final boss rus...
by the time you get there you have double the health and probably triple depending on how many times you threw yourself into the wolves in previous boss rushes
lucid oar
I never beat hollow knight
long escarp
I never knew that
strange lark
git 😤 gud 😤
long escarp
Since when is 9 triple 5
tight basin
9 is triple of 3, and 5 is pretty close to 3
rain ingot
9 is triple 5
i'm talking about the lifeblood you get for ||binding||
anyways back to hades
long escarp
Well you’re not gonna have that permanently, it goes away very quickly lmao
But anyway
lucid oar
@lucid oar skill issue, can’t even beat hollow knight 😂
strange lark
Mistral dash 😍
lucid oar
Bablo 6:08 zagrail 🥶
long escarp
dash boons is love dash boons is life
Which dash boons do you like?
strange lark
Bablo being bablo
long escarp
Or do you mean Hermes boons
strange lark
Bruh my phone autocorrects bablo to BABLO
long escarp
Because the Hermes boons that affect your dash are indeed extremely good
rain ingot
like hermes and also like drunken dash
long escarp
Why drunken dash?
rain ingot
poison
long escarp
That’s not really a reason
lucid oar
Nice 2 damage
rain ingot
really good for taking out some of the bigger tartarus enemies
tight basin
isn't there that one boon that's like "if 3 or more are inflicted with hangover you deal more damage"
lucid oar
Yes
tight basin
hangover dash could help with that
strange lark
really good for taking out some of the bigger tartarus enemies
That's exactly what it's bad for
long escarp
really good for taking out some of the bigger tartarus enemies
Have you ever tried Tidal Dash? It does like 50 damage instead of 2 from Drunken Dash
lucid oar
Or you could put hangover on somehting that suits hangover and use tidal dash
And get exclusive access 
tight basin
what kind of build would that be on?
rain ingot
for a guy that dash-strikes enemies into oblivion its pretty awesome
long escarp
Actually, almost everyone does that
lucid oar
Why not blade dash then
strange lark
Actually, almost everyone does that
I don't, should I be doing that?
tight basin
or artemis dash if your main argument is "dash strikes"
lucid oar
I don't, should I be doing that?
No, use only specials
Especially on an aspect like “a kill ees”
strange lark
Ok that's what I've been doing
long escarp
Or Zag shield
lucid oar
Nice 👍
strange lark
Wmicletsgo
long escarp
Hey man, use what you like
tight basin
lmfao
long escarp
But if you like doing big damage, then I have some advice for you
rain ingot
yeah i've heard of specials
tight basin
beowulf
tight basin
specials don't inherently deal more damage, it's just a different type of attack that hits slower
rain ingot
maybe i should map special to a trigger because i can't stand face buttons
worn solar
i have special on right trigger
tight basin
do most people here use controller
strange lark
Kbm gang
tidal shard
Any recommendations for builds to go for with demeter on attack or special?
tight basin
kbm gang
worn solar
theres a couple kbm cultists
strange lark
Couple 😔
long escarp
Any recommendations for builds to go for with demeter on attack or special?
Demeter boons or Demeter fists?
lucid oar
L
tidal shard
Demeter boons or Demeter fists?
Boons
long escarp
Oh
tight basin
i'm assuming boons if it's going on attack or special
worn solar
demeter kinda eehmeter
long escarp
Frost Strike is nice for hitless Hestia I guess
lucid oar
Flourish is good on Chiron
long escarp
But generally Demeter is just a worse Aphrodite
worn solar
p much
tight basin
if you're using demeter boons you're either going for Rare Crop or the legendary boon
lucid oar
Snow burst
long escarp
Rare Crop is overrated
worn solar
rare crop kinda overrated
worn solar
killing freeze
long escarp
Snow Burst and Killing Freeze are the good boons
long escarp
Oh and Rav Will. Rav Will can be good with rarity
tight basin
is that the one that's about not having any casts and dealing more damage
lucid oar
Yea
tight basin
and taking less
lucid oar
Rare crop is underrated by speedrunners tbh
long escarp
That may be true
lucid oar
Overrated by newer players definitely
worn solar
cant sell with uc so kinda in heat
lucid oar
But the difference between a 160 damage and 200 damage flood flare is pretty huge
strange lark
Nourished soul honestly goated
lucid oar
In fact it’s 40 damage
tidal shard
Okie thanks for the suggestions, it's not for anything too serious in game, just needing to do a few runs to collect the remaining duo boons I'm missing. What about attack on Arthur as the % multiplier is fairly good?
worn solar
aphro
tight basin
i mean if you need to get duos for the prophecies, you could just stick it on like any weapon you're comfy with, put on 0 heat, and just run right through
tidal shard
Aphrodite is the biggest number
I'm aware, I'm looking for demeter duo boons tho
tidal shard
i mean if you need to get duos for the prophecies, you could just stick it on li...
Yeah that's true, idk I was just wondering if demeter was actually used on builds aside from funny crystal cast
tight basin
arthur or hestia could work, as demeter has a pretty significant damage multiplier (i think)
we discussed it a bit earlier with aphrodite, so im assuming it'd have a similar effect with aphrodite
but no one really uses demeter, since it's just a worse aphrodite and applying weak and taking less damage adds up over time
proper furnace
I used to do artic blast chiron
One time i tried that with Eris and it was pain too
lucid oar
Arctic blast Chiron is pretty good
It adds almost as much as sea storm
You don’t have access to all the cool Poseidon and Zeus boons though
tidal shard
Arctic blast Chiron is pretty good
Oh yeah good point
Might try it on a rail to rack up hits for blast
Something something winter soldier
long escarp
% on rail is
strange lark
Spread fire my beloved
proper furnace
% on rail is <:ron:459075377906712586>
hestia
strange lark
Luci damage ramping
long escarp
Right, % on non-Hestia non-SF rail is
Sometimes I forget that Hestia and Eris are the same weapon
tidal shard
Oh yeah this sucks lmao
proper furnace
Told you
tidal shard
Told you <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Thankfully just got the duo boon I needed in Asphodel so don't need to see this run through any further aha
worn solar
just remember to end your run by getting whipped by meg not pressing give up
rain ingot
hypnos has some things to say about those deaths
rain ingot
friendship ended with stygian blade
now eternal spear is homie
buoyant roost
long escarp
That’s not really a build
quick rapids
That’s not really a build
yes it is and you cant argue
long escarp
It’s literally not
You can do whatever you want with you boons
Builds are about boons
quick rapids
but if you cant die, health
long escarp
Merciful End is a build
long escarp
but if you cant die, health
??????
I didn’t say it was bad, I said it wasn’t a build
quick rapids
high health is a build
quick rapids
i want to believe its a build though
long escarp
You can have hunting blades with 15 hp or 1,500 hp
quick rapids
isnt a build technically the stats of your character?
long escarp
No
quick rapids
im pretty sure it is
if you can find hard evidence proving me wrong ill admit you're right, because i dont want to argure with you
long escarp
???????
quick rapids
im tired
quick rapids
im not
long escarp
How the hell do I find “hard evidence”
That’s an insane thing to say
Obviously it comes down to a person’s definition of the word
quick rapids
i believe that the amount of health you have contributes to your build
quick rapids
ok