h1-builds-and-combat

[rotund sluice]

Flood shot is interesting

[fathom iris]

It’s the only option I had

I’m new

[rotund sluice]

Fair

There are worse options

It’s pretty nice

[fathom iris]

I got tisiphone for fury sisters

Any tips for her

She keeps on killing me

I genuinely hate her so much

[rotund sluice]

Kill as fast as humanly possible, and if you see her charge up, abandon all attacks and dodge. Then get back to killing her

[fathom iris]

Okay bet thank you

[rotund sluice]

She’s my fav one to fight actually lol

[plain river]

Tis try not to take the most igt

challenge: impossible

[rotund sluice]

I like Meg more in lore, but Tisiphone is my fav one in game
But screw Alecto, I hate her

[fathom iris]

I killed her thank GOD

[fathom iris]

Meg is by far the easiest and alectos beyblades just are the worse

Yo what’s better

Empty inside or sweet surrender

[plain river]

Sweet surrender

[fathom iris]

I just took empty inside

Different league or passion dash?

[waxen dragon]

Is Zeus call better than Dio?

I sort of tried both but like Dio call for safety, can sort of dart in and out to apply hangover. Zeus seems like I have to stand still or must have jolted

[plain river]

Dio is less secondary boon reliant and I think it ultimately ends up being more total damage to any given single target

especially if pommed properly

[waxen dragon]

Yeah I did a run with Smoldering air and Dio call, it was quite good.

[fathom iris]

I’m doing that right now

[upper oar]

What's the most bonkers thing you can do to Hera bow? Is it just Aphro cast + Art legendary?

[waxen dragon]

Speaking of Hera bow, does mirage shot give it the double bonus like Beo?

[waxen dragon]

Probably get heart rend?

[proper furnace]

No*
Is an issue specific to the flare version of the casts

(and because hera uses trippy flare instead of shot, that one is the only one that gets the bug)

But it doesn't get the other trippy flare related bug where the poms values are doubled when used with beowulf

Because funny weapon

[fathom iris]

Yo Nooby can you give me a zag aspect sword build?

[sudden patio]

Hello everyone, I'm new here

Can someone give me an aspect of rama build

[plain river]

Zag sword is pretty much just nemesis without the crit chance

so you’re running more merciful end or zap than the crit builds

[fathom iris]

Oh bet

By zap you mean like Zeus strike?

[plain river]

Yeah

It’s not nearly as damaging as merciful end but it is consistent

[fathom iris]

Ohh

[fathom iris]

Do I do ares on strike and Athena on special for merciful end or something else

[plain river]

Yeah and then divine dash

which lets you dash-strike through enemies

[fathom iris]

Yeah bet thank you man

[errant bluff]

can someone give me zag fists build

[sudden patio]

Anyone?

[plain river]

A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs

[plain river]

Zag fists builds are just demeter fists builds without the big special ngl

so like

Lightning strike/ aphro special take a bunch of zeus boons and hit smouldering air on zeus or dio aid,
or
dionysus strike aphro special hit a bunch of poms on strike
Or
Merciful End (most effective damage, least consistent),
Ares strike, athena special, athena dash, find Merciful End duo, dash strike everything

[sudden patio]

Thank you very much

[storm bear]

Is there a good aspect of guan yu build, or is it not very good, because I can't seem to get past the third boss without losing a bunch of death defiance, and end up dying to the final boss

[zenith fractal]

I would like to say first and foremost that Guan Yu will need to be played safe to some extent no matter the build you are playing or how mechanically gifted you are. Guan Yu is a safe aspect in the right hands (someone has beaten 64 heat with it using some Quality of Life mods), however it takes experience to be able to play it in such a way.

The pinned messages of this channel contain a decent guide with builds for every aspect.

There are three main build paths for Guan Yu:

• Ares attack + Athena special + Impending Doom + + works on basically any melee aspect, and Guan Yu is no exception.
• There's a hammer called "Charged Skewer". This hammer lets Zagreus charge his spear special for increased damage (effectively transforming the special into a wide bow-like attack). Acquiring crit chance from Artemis (preferably Artemis special) to pair with Charged Skewer's high additive damage bonus will also help. For crowd control, a Poseidon dash with other Poseidon tier 2 boons may also see some good use.
• we call "Spin Yu" picking up one of the Quick Spin or Massive Spin hammers, then finding an Athena attack. If played right, there should always be a spin-circle ahead of you to deflect enemy attacks. This basically makes you untouchable to anything that can be deflected; however beware, as some attacks can not be deflected and will thus pass through this protective circle.

[valid mirage]

Do Hearth Rend works on attacks if weakened status is caused by attack aspect of Aphro?

[zenith fractal]

I'm not sure what you mean, please rephrase.

My best guess is "if I have an aphrodite attack and I crit on that attack, will it affect Heart Rend?" to which I am about 90% sure the answer is "yes".

[valid mirage]

yes, that was my question

[valid mirage]

I've read somewhere that hearth rend doesn't work on attack that caused weakened status.

[zenith fractal]

That is possible too, frankly I am unsure. There is some stuff that applies immediately and some that doesn't, would need to check.

I could swear heart rend applied immediately but if it doesn't I'd learn something new at least.

[valid mirage]

It's not like it's unappliable. More if it counts towards damage done with attack when weakened status was apllied with attack itself. I've read somewhere that it's best to have aphro dash to make hearth rend count towards attack/dash attack damage.

[valid mirage]

What's the beast (BEST!) bow for 32 Heat?

[sand geyser]

The lovely queen Hera > every other bow

[valid mirage]

Aphro build?

[sand geyser]

Mm, and rama bow is the best for high heat but it is very hard to learn. So I recommend starting in low heat with that one and work your way up

[valid mirage]

I'm trying to find a bow I like

Chiron is too slow for me

(I'm great Nemesis and Achilles fan)

[sand geyser]

Personally, I like Hera the most (I am being extremely biased because I love anything Hera)

[valid mirage]

ha! Zeus is that you?!

[rotund sluice]

Zeus would also love everything else

[zenith fractal]

At 32 heat one can run basically anything and it can work. Some options are obviously better than others though.
Bow order below like 50 heat is probably rama > hera > chiron > zagbow though

[sand geyser]

HAHAHHAHA

[valid mirage]

I see you have a vast knowledge or game. What will be best for each aspect? As far as I know it's Nemesis for sword, Achilles for spear, Zeus for shield and demeter fists. (Railgun does not exist for me xD)

[sand geyser]

Beowulf shield buddy, beowulf shield.

Now that is the meta

Best weapon in the game

[zenith fractal]

Rail has Eris / Hestia, both of which are extremely powerful regardless of discipline. Eris rail plays quite similarly to a fist, I'm surprised you don't like it.
best high heat aspect is zeus shield. Rama is in second.
The strongest build is on beowulf shield, for various reasons. It ability to clear heat is however capped at 60 heat, as after that point one has to enable heat settings that make the aspect much weaker.

[valid mirage]

I just don't like it because it's gun in ancient greece

Beowulf? Well, I'll upgrade it and try. Is it cast build?

[sand geyser]

I hate that the bow doesn't have an aspect of artemis or apollo, they are literally the gods of archery

Aphrodite is never depicted with a bow, that's her son Eros

And the few times Hera has a weapon, it is a spear instead

[zenith fractal]

Poseidon cast, artemis attack or special, acquire Mirage Shot. That duoboon is bugged on beowulf* to deal far more damage than it is supposed to (full damage instead of 30% damage on second projectile).

( * exceptions apply, not too relevant in this case though)

[valid mirage]

yeah, but probably it doesn't have that kind of aspect beacuse it's infernal weapon

Still shield has aspect of Zeus... Well, my argument is invalid xD

[waxen dragon]

Oh beo's pom bug applies to all casts?

[proper furnace]

other trippy flare bug

Is a really weird glitch lol

Hera also uses it but doesn't get poms
Beo does so you think is an all flares issue but is also not, is just specifically trippy flare + beowulf

[waxen dragon]

Oh only to trippy flare? No others? Been mostly chasing mirage shot duos on beo and hera

Hmm will have to look it up. Maybe worth a try

[proper furnace]

Trippy flare beo is funny when it works out

And you still can get mirage too

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/942263189599563816/2022021300340500-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4?ex=692c64ba&is=692b133a&hm=1891956849cfed688b142628e01458b3690fa4cb63ac4a774720677b988cd369&

[zenith fractal]

(Note: mirage on diobeo is pretty rare, as not only are the two extra required gods quite out-of-the-way, but they also open duoboons with dionysus, making mirage shot even harder to get.)

[zenith fractal]

(Also note that you want extra cast stones on top of all of that, diobeo with mirage shot and no extra stones is almost equivalent to having an extra stone but no mirage shot)

[waxen dragon]

Oh wow really slaps. I always went flood flare for mirage shot on Beo

[proper furnace]

Just get the boons smh

[proper furnace]

That's the better choice most of the time

Dio either ends up overkill anyways or you cry cuz no +casts the entire run

[raven spire]

Does anyone know of any half decent builds with ||aspect of guan yu || as I just got it and my current build of Aphrodite for attack due to weak and high damage % Athena dash for protection and some damage then hyper sprint and rush delivery from Hermes and what other gods I get (I don’t use cast that often and special only sometimes I more so attack fast and hard hitting) but it doesn’t seem to work to well for guan yu should I try other ones I also have tried a merciful end one but I’m still a slight bit new so I don’t know to much about builds

[proper furnace]

And maybe you get a stone from a well but you don't get 2 sack and it runs out

[zenith fractal]

Channel pins have a build guide

If you aren't satisfied with the guide: #h1-builds-and-combat message

[raven spire]

Oh thanks

[waxen dragon]

Have been super unlucky the last few tries, no duos at all

[proper furnace]

Is this with god's legacy
Beo is like, the weapon that loves using it cuz mirage just kinda good

(unless you prefer better hermes/chaos as usual)

Otherwise knowing how to strategically filling up your cores or grabbing yarn of ariadne/refreshing nectar can always help

[waxen dragon]

I think I switched out of the boon after it added to the pool thinking I can use a different keepsake and still get the same god boons to appear. Perhaps the rarity dropped because of it?

[waxen dragon]

The purple one, not the orange one

[proper furnace]

Using pride then

Also, orange? that's a new one to refer to the alt side lol

[waxen dragon]

Oh I've always using the the purple one as I thought that was the recommended default

[proper furnace]

Oh it usually is yeah

Double dmg from mirage is just that good that the switch is justified

[waxen dragon]

So maybe I should keep using the same keepsake until I get the duo?

[proper furnace]

Nah
While it does give you better duos odds is not worth to carry it for another region

Cuz it only applies for that god

So if you are carrying arty's but pickup another poseidon book you don't get the extra duo chance

Check your charon wells for yarn of ariadne or eurydice' refreshing nectar

Both grant a +10% to duos

And if you visit chaos you can grab their favor boon

[waxen dragon]

But if you get an arty it's better chance?

[proper furnace]

No matter the rarity that's another +10%

[proper furnace]

Correct

The thing is you have better stuff to carry into other biomes like charon's hourglass or dad's call

[waxen dragon]

Oh I should pick those chaos ones then. I often choose the cast damage or extra stone for chaos

[proper furnace]

I'd still prioritize those above favor

[waxen dragon]

I never understood how to use dad call. It doesn't seem to do anything and doesn't work with smair

[proper furnace]

Depends on rarity and curse and yadda yadda

[proper furnace]

On activation of lesser call you turn invisible for 2s or until you attack
During those 2s you also gain +100% dmg

Greater call lasts 5s and the invisibility doesn't break on attack

Basically turn it on before you do a burst of dmg and have fun

[waxen dragon]

Oh wow that is quite strong

[proper furnace]

You also gain a bunch of movement speed but for rush delivery purposes it doesn't count for it if you have hyper sprint

[waxen dragon]

I only started using hourglass recently and only in the last biome if the shop before has stuff, otherwise I use the chestnut. Any other keepsakes recommended?

[proper furnace]

Coin purse into aspho if I have all the gods I want but need extra cash mostly

[waxen dragon]

Rush delivery hardly ever comes up for me, I keep favouring hyper sprint and haste to try to get it

[proper furnace]

And if you like to gamble
Hermes's keepsake opens rush delivery so you get better odds at the hyper+ rd combo

[proper furnace]

Swapping to hourglass in elysium is generally a good play

You can buy the well where you swap keepsakes, any potential well in Elysium itself

And then the well before styx, and then you can still swap your keepsake for something else

Say dad call or acorn

And assuming you get a 2 sack most Elysium purchases/pre styx well will last to dad

[waxen dragon]

Yes usually it's what the well offers that decides it for me. Also, do the things stack? Like if I get 2 cast damage boosts, I get twice as much damage or it goes twice as many rounds?

[proper furnace]

Twice as much dmg

[waxen dragon]

How do you get 2 sack?

[proper furnace]

Luck

[valid mirage]

yeah. Merciful end run with no activator XD

[proper furnace]

Is pretty much a coin flip that you get the sack on the 2nd tunnel you enter

(around 52~%)

[waxen dragon]

Last few have been unlucky ended up having to do all the tunnels

I thought maybe hitting the tunnels with the skull makes it more likely to be a sack

[proper furnace]

Nah

But is still good to do miniboss tunnels first

They are easier and faster

[valid mirage]

What's good aspect to use with demeter boons?

[zenith fractal]

Demeter's core boons aren't that great as you've probably realized. She has some good support-boons (ravenous will, nourished soul, rare crop) that can be used on pretty much anything though.

[plain river]

Hera with snow burst is unironically like the best usecase

[weak zenith]

i think beo snowburst is better

im pretty cheeks at hera but with beo you always have access to your stones so you get more snowburst

[jolly chasm]

eh

snurst gets better value on hera cus beo already has so much aoe

and hera really needs some

[tight basin]

#h2-builds-and-combat

[cosmic umbra]

sorry

[tight basin]

Also delete your comment bc spoiler

[waxen dragon]

Tried Dio Beo, didn't get mirage shot, ended with charged shot and ice wine, hits hard, tricky to aim

[proper furnace]

Ice wine beo

[waxen dragon]

I do get the thing about waiting for the stones to pop up again

[tight basin]

Ice wine also adds a delay to the flare popping lol

[warped pewter]

Does keeping on a boon keepsake increase boon rarity or does it expire when used once?

[verbal flicker]

Pretty sure it still increases

[warped pewter]

Interesting

[verbal flicker]

Still recommended to swap keepsakes though

[warped pewter]

I js thought a single god build would be good

Running rail chain lightning

[weak zenith]

for athena spin guanyu should i run shadow or fiery presence

[verbal flicker]

Still it would be better to use smth like purse, hourglass or acorn over the extra chance imo

Unless it was a modded run or smth and only the god

[plain river]

Usually it’s not the greatest idea, and at the bare minimum you’d still want to grab boons from 3 other gods (aside from Hermes, you should take his boons asap thou) to double your boon consistency

[warped pewter]

Gotchu

[plain river]

Taking hermes boons would be like taking hammers just to get them out of the way so they can’t show up anymore

[warped pewter]

Oohhh, ok

That makes a lot of sense

[plain river]

plus hyper sprint -> rush delivery is just going to massively boost your dps

or greater haste -> rush delivery to a much lower extent

an all lightning build would be a little eh just because after jolted all you really need for lightning is storm lightning -> splitting bolt ngl

zeus call makes double strike worth it as well and aphrodite means smouldering air is an option

to spam out more zeus calls

[warped pewter]

I was going for strike, chain, and the legendary

Since rail can have a chain attack it goes so hard

[plain river]

Yeah

this is just the average rail build but you take static discharge since it’s more guaranteed big damage than splitting bolt will be, (still aim for splitting bolt but discharge is big damage and really easy to find)

and you typically mix in other gods that really help out to actually hit the 4 god god pool

like artemis adds a lot of value in crit chance and then bunters mark for crit chains when you’re hitting so many attacks, and support fire for extra damage

tidal dash from pos is just stupid strong so you’d mix it in too

[warped pewter]

I personally want straight zeus build, cuz the other effects can steal the spotlight

[fathom iris]

What aspect should I buy with a singular titans blood

[plain river]

aphro can really help for smouldering air, dio has the chance to add his call some stacking global additive and then max hp on nectars which is really nice,

[warped pewter]

I recommend any of the bow aspects

[plain river]

I guess? other gods (artemis and dio) can really amplify lightning without really stealling the show

[fathom iris]

I already have Hera

[warped pewter]

Yeah thats true

[plain river]

I’m trying to remember if you can get hera, nemesis or zeus with one titans blood

those are going to be the most potent for the single blood

if they’re one blood to start with

[fathom iris]

I already have Herat

There’s also Eris for one

Is that good too?

Or is nemesis just much better

[warped pewter]

Only a little good

[plain river]

Eris is also really soli

[warped pewter]

[plain river]

whato

[fathom iris]

Should I get nemesis?

[warped pewter]

Yeah, worth the crit build

[fathom iris]

Bet

I killed Theseus and Minotaur for the second time

[plain river]

eris is really strong at all levels but I’d probably get nemesis here

[fathom iris]

It really gets easier after the first time

[fathom iris]

Okay bet thanks

[warped pewter]

i was trolling when i said a little

But yeah, i prefer nem here

Requires less effort

[plain river]

Btw

for lightning

jolted is going to be a lot of your dps if you grab it

Static discharge

[warped pewter]

Yeah

My highest heat is 20 with zeus shield

Which is lwk kinda buns i wont lie

[plain river]

mine is like 40 with zag bow

[warped pewter]

Daaamn

[plain river]

Which part

the highest heat or the aspect

[warped pewter]

The heat

I kinda got high expectations for myself

And all my other weapons are way lower heat

[plain river]

I do to, at some point I have to hit higher heats but I just get annoyed about pact building past 40

It feels like all the remaining options suck

[warped pewter]

Some weapons, not naming names, are very inconsistent with high damage in my hands

[plain river]

Tbf a good handful of aspects are really hard to make work well for damage

Not because it’s hard to build them but mostly because they just

do need the help

[warped pewter]

Going for the rail build again

Wish me luck ig

[upper oar]

Why did no one tell me that just gettting Lightning Rod with Jolt and leaving all your casts on the ground is so hilariously good.

As always the best cousin continues to have the best boons

[plain river]

This is lowkey like niche ball knowledge but the range of lightning rod is unironically like half the screen

so your casts will be hitting everything it’s really strong

But most people don’t know this

I think the range is like 900? which is like 1.5x snow burst?

[zenith fractal]

scintillating feast but better 🔥

[plain river]

Yeah it is

900

[warped pewter]

Should i be using gods pride or gods legacy for the mirror

[tight basin]

Pride

Legendaries are too impractical to get and duos aren't that bad to get most of the time

The flat increase for epic rarity is going to be a lot more impactful

Especially with chaos and Hermes

[warped pewter]

Fs

[verbal flicker]

Depends what you are going for

Most of the time id say pride

But say you are going for merciful end build or another duo then legacy

[fathom iris]

Can someone give me a crazy nemesis build

[valid mirage]

Aphro attack, cast artemis, special athena, dash athena. Then you go for both duos from the gods.

[plain river]

Unironically if you want the sauced up speed version you start with tidal dash -> put whichever of artemis or aphro you find on strike (ideally aphro for her additive but you can supplement artemis with more additive from chaos and rush delivery)

For hammers you’re really looking at double edge > double nova > piercing wave > breaching slash > super nova and then the rest don’t really matter

For your secondary boons, artemis supplies hunters mark for crit chains and pressure points for more crits on everything
aphro has sweet surrender and broken resolve to boost your dps higher and nerf enemies harder with weaken
Poseidon has breaking wave to absolutely demolish styx

[heavy sonnet]

hey yall, I was just wondering if anyone had any suggestions for builds around Aegis (Zag form)

if it's any help on my progress atm, I have now ||reached the surface 3 times total (all consecutively lol), I have almost all the keepsakes (except for the one that's 4th from the left on the bottom row, right after Patroclus' one), and as for companions I only have Skelly's||

[heavy sonnet]

it's lvl 2

[opal blade]

can some give me a crazy shield build as someone who hasnt beaten the game once?

[weak zenith]

hades players will do anything exept play the game and figure stuff out

[opal blade]

bro ive played the game for 50 hours 💔

[weak zenith]

999358269422321774

[opal blade]

im just trash

[weak zenith]

the "strongest" non beo build is prolly ME on zeus shield

reversiful end

[opal blade]

how do u get aspects?

[weak zenith]

"strongest" in a vacume is prolly just dio cast on beo with a few stones, + mirrage

[weak zenith]

you have to unlock all the weapons and then you get that option lol

[opal blade]

how do i get all the weapons?

[weak zenith]

how are you 50 hours deep without aspects

[weak zenith]

they are in the courtyard and you buy them with keys bruh

[opal blade]

i have 4 of them/

[weak zenith]

bruhbruhbruhbruhbruh

canon event

you have to buy all 4 weapons to unlock the rest

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1456664672437538959/1456665139192271018/image.png?ex=695930a0&is=6957df20&hm=6e3cc79d268c62aed3f8762d3503a6493bc122e4430f3b91d177d815396c644b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1049&height=666

[heavy sonnet]

asking again, any ideas for a build around the Shield?

I've gotten some good runs using the Gun and Zeus, but I wanna try out different builds

[weak zenith]

you can basically run anything with the base shield, it doenst really have anything that is too stand out

the basic attack hits at an ok rate with ok damage

if you want to use that i would run ME with athenas dash

[heavy sonnet]

"ME"?

[weak zenith]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/b/b1/Merciful_End_I.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/100?cb=20240604204327

also you want to hold attack to block, its pretty free

but there is often no point in charging the bullrush for damage, especially if you are running ME

what i would do is bullrushing into enemies then dash attack to charge up my next bullrush

the bullrush applies doom, you dash triggers the doom (ME), you are already charging the next bullrush

alternatively you can just dash attack enemies

[heavy sonnet]

good to know, thxxx

[unborn torrent]

can someone give me a busted hera build

[zenith fractal]

pinned messages should have a pretty good build guide, which also contains a hera build.

[unborn torrent]

got it

[viral lotus]

Any tips for getting a sub 20 time? Im almost done w the epilogue and my best run is like 23 minutes😭

[weak zenith]

play fast

[zenith fractal]

assuming you have unlocked most relevant metaprogression by now:

• learn how to make builds. Not every build from the guide mentioned above is optimal for speed-purposes, but for sub20 that shouldn't matter much.
• pause when making a choice (while timer would usually be running). This may sound marginal, but the 2 or so seconds per chamber you might walk around aimlessly during add up rapidly.
• for other tips, watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI

Sub20 is quite a lenient goal (often, just knowing how to get the builds gets players there single-handedly), following these general rules of thumb you should PB in no time. If you have any more in-depth questions that none of the points above touch on, feel free to ask them here (and if you plan on learning how to go very fast, joining the hades speedrunning discord, pinned in #self-promotion).

[weak zenith]

you should have the core compoennts of your build by the end of asph

that way you can go fast in ely and stuff

[verbal flicker]

whats the optimal guan yu build

[viral lotus]

I will try this ty! Idk why its so hard for me to shave off time, especially when ive gotten h2 down to sub 14 so easily

[plain river]

I mean the best thing is you still have a ton if time to shave

so it shouldn’t be too hard to knock off a few minutes

[viral lotus]

Any tips for the temple of nyx? Choosing the wrong passageway can add so much time

Or for speeding ip elysium specifically

[plain river]

Just take the two miniboss ones first that maximises your odds of never having to do a regular tunnel

Tidal dash also obliterates styx tunnels

[viral lotus]

Goddd the mini bosses always destroy my hp so bad

King vermin

[plain river]

They’re generally safer than regular tunnels

tiny vermin is the only outlier

but he’s only 1/6 odds

[viral lotus]

Ill try tmr🫡

[plain river]

Honestly at this point it can literally be any part of your run. Your builds, your actual combat skills just because there is so much time left

I’m trying to think

[viral lotus]

I also cannot use the rail no matter what omg.

It feels so slow

[plain river]

It’s not

without a solid strike boon it is tbf

like non-hestia or spreadfire rails suffer without zeus striks

[plain river]

If you want mini-time saves, pause when you’re making door decisions

try to group enemies up more often

so you can take multiple out at a time

or at least make sure they’re all somewhat near you

[viral lotus]

I gotta get vack into thr motions of playing before i try any specific build i think. Ive been strictly on h2 for months so im so outbof practice😭

My first run back i used all three death defiances

[plain river]

That’ll do it

it’s probably a combo of rust, a lack of solid Hades combat skills to start with, and not having that much build knowledge that’s really dragging you down here

[viral lotus]

I didnt know builds were a thing until i finished h2 main story upon release omg its so bad

[plain river]

like

the idea of choosing what you want to put together

wasn’t a concept

in your brain?

[viral lotus]

I just picked boons that sounded good but didnt plan to get any duos or ANYTHING

[viral lotus]

i did on a boon to boon basis but never considered how theyd work tg yk

[plain river]

rough

[viral lotus]

I need to get the hang of using calls and the companions again

I keep trying to use omega moves and they dont exist

[plain river]

Calls is just spam them out as soon as you have 25% for the most part

andhonestly for companions

it’s mostly about knowing which targets you want to use them on that helps me remember to use them anyways

Like if I see witches or power couple in tartarus my brain instantly goes neuron activition, nuke with meg

[viral lotus]

Im gonna gts but ill try abd improve my time tmr. Ill probably start w the shield first since its my fave

[plain river]

I don’t think you should really find it that hard to shave a few minutes down

It won’t necessarily happen in one run

[viral lotus]

Sisyphus is kinda goated for the free health mid fight lol

[plain river]

but you have a lot of room to improve still and most players can get down to the 12-16 minute range without going out of their way to do anything speedwise

Just from playing the game more and getting more skilled that way

[plain river]

Isn’t that like 5hp

I haven’t used him in like 150 runs at least

and when I did it was when I was darkness farming or doing meme max obol runs

[tight basin]

he gives you like 40 or something lmao

or 80 one of those two numbers

[viral lotus]

Should you take those heat-locked gates when trying to shave off time?

[frank goblet]

they aren’t usually a time save, longer than regular rooms

[viral lotus]

Ooo ok ty (:

[plain river]

Only edge case is avoiding a really bad god for your god pool early in tartarus if you aren’t looking for a super competitive time

like this isn’t really going to fly if you’re trying to like sub8 or something but earlier than that I’d dodge demeter on most builds with an erebus in tart if she’d block me from hitting poseidon for tidal dash later

[viral lotus]

Im horrible at this game sk my goal is sub 20😭

[plain river]

Then you can take erebus gates, but only in like really niche situations in tartarus, like being forced into a god you absolutely don’t want in your god pool

that would close off your god pool

most other situations are purely massive timeloss, this is build preservation so you might choose to bite the bullet

[viral lotus]

Hmmm ok ty! Ill skip on them

[waxen dragon]

Beo icy flare seems underwhelming, am I doing it wrong? I didn't get mirage shot as much as I tried

[zenith fractal]

Poseidon cast, artemis attack/special

Mirage shot is between those two gods

[plain river]

Icy flare is literally like the worst cast possible for beo

You aren’t doing it wrong

[proper furnace]

(also correct me if wrong but isn't icy one of the flares that mirage doesn't work on)

[waxen dragon]

So good casts for Beo? Zeus? Athena? Artemis? Ares? Aphrodite? I thought Poseidon and Dio weren't bad

[proper furnace]

Pos is best (easiest access to mirage)
Aphro is 2nd (doesn't need mirage, just go for priv status + snow burst)
Dio is 3rd but needs way more rng to fully shine

Most of the other flares okay

Just lower aoe/dmg to the top 3

Thunder/icy/slicing flare are really bad

[pliant blaze]

What’s the best build with the shield?

[open moth]

The one that works for you

[plain river]

Depends on which shield you want to use

and if it’s for heat or for speed

[zenith fractal]

this is not always wrong, but at the very least misleading. while a player will generally perform fine playing an aspect and strategy they are more familiar with, there are measurably better ways of playing the game than others, and the upsides of learning to play the game objectively better and making objectively better choices long-term outweighs the placebo "I'm more familiar with this" advantage

Everyone falls guilty to this occasionally, but it's usually unjustified. In few cases are two options exactly equal for accomplishing a goal.

with that out of the way, building off of shackle's response:

• speed: Beowulf shield, Poseidon cast, Artemis attack/special, acquire the duoboon (Mirage Shot). Put poms on the cast. Preferred hammer is Charged Shot but others are playable to some extent as well. This takes some practice to learn, but reliably deals more damage than almost anything else in the game, while having good safety thanks to shield block
• heat: Zeus shield, zeus special, as many tier-2 zeus boons as you can find (in particular, look for Static Discharge and Double Strike). Put poms on the special and Static Discharge. Preferred hammer is Explosive Return. Once you learn the combo and all enemy patterns, you become essentially unkillable on this aspect.

[sand geyser]

Just playing rn after a few weeks of not playing because busy with work and my muscle memory is so ahhh, does that happen to y'all? LMAO

[verbal flicker]

How to use guan yu?

And what builds are good on it

[zenith fractal]

check pins

[wintry prism]

is there anyway to influence thanatos to spawn? i need the bastards keepsake

[zenith fractal]

no

[wintry prism]

kms

[zenith fractal]

I mean I suppose there sort of is? Taking regular rooms in the second half of a biome gives him more chances to appear

[wintry prism]

also realised wrong chat mb lol

[verbal flicker]

pretty sure thats h2

please delete this and move to the right channel

[thorn scarab]

oh!

I'm so sorry

I messed up the channels

[verbal flicker]

What's the optimal boons and hammer for guan yu

Also how do you play it

Spin or special

[jolly chasm]

wrong channel, please delete for spoiler reasons

[verbal flicker]

(hades 1)

[plain river]

Special

unless you’re doing like 64 heat

[verbal flicker]

how do i build the special?

[plain river]

Charged skewer, big +% tbh

you can do a merciful end build where you just have athena special and stack special +% but have merciful end to fall back on

or a crit build

Artemis / aph or artemis /athena

[verbal flicker]

What's the optimal dash for Hera?

Also I heard it's kinda hard to sue flurry shot, what changes?

Use

[plain river]

I’ve never heard this sentiment before

[verbal flicker]

For aphrocast with hera

[plain river]

usually flurry is seen as an improvement for hera since it simplifies the firing

[verbal flicker]

I read a guide

That's what it said

[plain river]

where’d you find the guide?

[verbal flicker]

Was linked on a YouTube video

[plain river]

Hrm

Flurry is usually used for optimal Hera last I checked that sounds reallt weird

[verbal flicker]

They said it was optimal just hard to use

[tight basin]

It is def hard to use depending on the player lmao

It was prob my guide tbh

[verbal flicker]

So what'l do you need to know?

[tight basin]

I mean just try it and see how you like it

It's good bc you get max range instantly for your loaded shot

If you're on controller it should be fine

Kbm it's more difficult bc aiming

[verbal flicker]

Wait then what's hard to use about it

[plain river]

kbm means you need to be dead on at time of firing instead of being able to aim while charging

[verbal flicker]

Alright

[verbal flicker]

^

[zenith fractal]

"just be croven "

[plain river]

Tidal dash tbh

great damage and it half opens mirage shot for more hera damage

Sweet nectar never hurt a cast build either

[verbal flicker]

Do I prioritize demeter, pos or Artemis?

Id assume not demeter since snow burst would be rare if I only have aphro cast so far

This is for Hera bow btw

[tight basin]

def demeter lmao

you want that snow burst

it's not that rare

it's still like the same odds as any other boon

you dont really want much from pos or artemis really

arty attack i guess but that's not as impactful as snow burst

pos is eh

a lot of players dont like tidal dash on hera bc it messes with grouping but it's takable

snow burst is just a lot more impactful in every way and more damage

[verbal flicker]

Won't 2 of the slots normally be filled by core boons

[verbal flicker]

Mirage?

[tight basin]

only 1 but it's still like findable

but you can also still take ravenous will, which is pretty good on hera

[tight basin]

i mean that's fine but you're finding 2 extra gods that you didn't start with

not very consistent

snow burst is prob more likely and easier to get

and has more immediate value instead of waiting for a duo

[plain river]

Only 1

[tight basin]

most speedrunners dont fill up their cores and they generally get the boons they want despite that lmao

granted they do reset a lot but it's still like pretty doable

[proper furnace]

Just get the boon™

[tight basin]

that's what im saying

[waxen dragon]

When chasing duos and legendary boons, is it best to fill up all cores to improve chances?

[proper furnace]

Is a good idea yeah, just make sure you don't open unwanted duos

And for legendaries keep in mind its chance contents with all duos

[waxen dragon]

Ok I think sometimes I open other duos which can be useful, often I have to pivot on builds because God pool changes

[plain river]

Make sure you also snag the status curse boons from the gods that have them (zeus/pos/artemis/athena)

since those also steal a priority slot 50% of the time

[modest gyro]

I'm having so much fun with Hades 2, I'm going back to 1. Any tips to beat the main campaign in as few attempts as possible?

[modest gyro]

Nevermind. There's something wrong with my laptop.

[waxen dragon]

Ah thanks for the tip

[olive ridge]

would a crush shot/dionysus main atk build be good on the achilles spear

im trying the hunting blades build but i never get the goddamn duos

[sand geyser]

Got mirage shot so quick rn, literally first room of asphodel and 2nd time i got an artemis boon

[terse loom]

So, have I just not got a deep enough understanding of this game, or are like 90% of the basic Mirror skills better than their flipped alternatives?

I know that Stubborn Defiance is better for certain high Heat levels, but how about the rest?

[tight basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1406158690272280656/image.png?ex=6961edd4&is=69609c54&hm=8e5f0362e69e3287b315a0599fb2e9d01f44b84fac3964cabc43784415f17210&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1522&height=856

basically the mirror here

but you'd use thick skin over high condience and gods pride over gods legacy

fiery presence, fam favs, dark foresight, and fated persuasion are all a lot better than their counterparts

[terse loom]

Oh FP for sure - I forgot that because I'm still unlocking and upgrading the bottom four skills on this new file 😄

And I already have Fam Favs on, just totally forgot that one

What's DF again?

[plain river]

Other side of Olympian Favour, gives you up to 7 more gold laurel rewards per run depending on level

aka 7 more boons/obols/hearts/poms compared to getting blue laurels (darkness, gemstones, keys, nectar)

[terse loom]

Oh yeah, I also haven't turned that on yet because I'm earlygame and still need all those 😆

This makes sense

[rough bison]

what aspect is best for shield? besides the hidden one

[proper furnace]

Zeus

[verbal flicker]

if im going for a ME build do i do ares or athena keepsake tart

i assumed athen since you need divine dash plus special/attack

but i heard ares since you get damage quicker

[proper furnace]

You want high rarity doom so yeah ares start in general

You also make sure that most poms in tartarus will hit doom

[verbal flicker]

doesnt that make it take longer to set up though

[tight basin]

Yeah but otherwise you won't have damage lol

Special and dash don't really care about poms so you're wasting a lot of poms

You could start Athena special on like Demeter I guess if you aren't speedrunning and just playing casually

But otherwise it's better to start ares bc you can reset the run if you get common doom lmao

[verbal flicker]

ok

also explosive return

how do you use it well

on zeus shield

is it higher danage to just spam special

[zenith fractal]

dashstrike -> special -> start blocking towards your special -> wait like half a second -> start bullrush -> halfway through the bullrush, recall special so Zag rushes into the special and picks it up -> repeat the other direction

[jovial rapids]

Hey guys, "new" player and totally hooked. Around 80 runs in. I've a question about privileged status. Does the attack triggering the status already get the bonus? Say I have an enemy that's hungover and I hit it with my doom / weak attack, does the attack get the bonus?

[frank goblet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1418410776053682336/1459609120129814579/2026-01-10_12-04-22.mp4?ex=6963e66c&is=696294ec&hm=5c6bd3198b7ad6e82a97c9e3d1cb2c22265531332dff1a6d6c4824cad7e00625& heres a visual for what it should kinda look like

[prisma vale]

Hi everyone, I love hades 2 and finished the ||true ending because of Medea||, is there a similar weapon which just one taps and makes the game easy thanks

[proper furnace]

Hera/hidden shield are the most similar I'd say

But ig you can argue they are harder to use than that aspect

[wheat scarab]

what is the easiest build to beat the game with

[proper furnace]

Wrong chat ( #h2-builds-and-combat )

[limpid tree]

THANK YOU OH MY GOD WHOOPS

[uneven sail]

Personally Ares doom boons for the attack and special + Athena's dash. God's aid can be whichever (my favorite is Demeter's). Since you would have Athena's and Are's main boons, proud bearing, merciful end, impending doom, blood lust (or wtv the one that enhances your attack, special and cast is called) and curse of vengeance are the best imo.

However if it's the first time or you cannot get Ares, try to get Athena's boons for defense and deflect. As a plus for damage when you cast, attack or use your special, look out for Artemis' seeking arrows. And when you get Hermes boons go for greater haste and whatever can make you attack faster.

[analog mauve]

I think so yes

[proper furnace]

#h2-builds-and-combat

[graceful bison]

mb wrong channel

[plain river]

actually probably #h2-for-new-players

[graceful bison]

mb lol

[plain river]

The new players channels should give you the same valuable information with way less story spoilers

[graceful bison]

ok im not to worried about spoilers for the underworld but thanks anyways

[rugged leaf]

Genuine question, does the shield of aegis have a deflect of it’s own?

Without Athena’s blessing and all

I noticed some of the attacks deflect or atleast rebound

[plain river]

Just blocks

No reflect

[weak zenith]

is there a good achilles spin build

[rugged leaf]

Ohh alright! May i ask though, what does titan’s blood serve?

[weak zenith]

im gonna do an achilles spin run anyway

want to do smth quirky but cant rly think of anything too intresting

if you dash to activate the spear's spin attack does it gain dash attack damage bonuses lol

porlly not but ill try it out to see

seemsit doesnt

thats lame

[plain river]

It’s not that bad

the +150% additive on your 100 base damage spin is pretty massive so you get massive aoe potential

you just don’t have that much single target dps

[weak zenith]

i died to charon

doing a spin run with hades now lol

even less single target

unless charged and explosive maybe

lol i was fighting the asph miniboss and i released a spin as the guy landed on me killing it, i dont think i took damage

bro got parried

[rugged leaf]

How do you surpass the temple of styx with the rats

The poison keeps getting to me

I keep dying to tiny vermin

[weak zenith]

tbh hades spear isnt half bad

i got to tail end of super dad second phase lol

maybe 1/7 1/8 left

is the luci seasorm build good or is it just a meme

[plain river]

Nothing stellar but it does work well enough

You might as well give it a shot for funsies just put zeus on dash or call and roll w/ it

[weak zenith]

i figured i would use possidon dash

or is the seastrom timer global

luci with typhoons furry seems kinda intresting

got offered an epic zeus dash so i took that ig lol

[sand geyser]

You have to try your best to dodge the poison. Dashing through the poison helps, also, you can cure yourself, but you gotta be fast with it

[weak zenith]

well i got seastorm now lol

and i have privilaged status

feels pretty mid

need to get some double strike and stuff lol

does hermes attack affect luci

ig regardless it woudlnt do anything to seastorm

[proper furnace]

Iirc it only affects how quick the laser comes out?

[weak zenith]

im at hydra now and the single target isnt half bad

[weak zenith]

lol i died to second phase superdadagain

[royal lark]

ok I need an opinion

Just arrived at Elysium, and I can't decide between first Athena boon or second hammer up

I do have 3 boon dice fyi

[frank goblet]

depends on aspect and what you already have

[royal lark]

Twin shot Zag bow, mostly Artemis boons (attack) and some hangover (spec)

[frank goblet]

hmmm probably hammer then

bow hammers are usually very impactful

[royal lark]

true...

[rugged leaf]

YOU CAN CURE YOURSELF??

[royal lark]

In every Styx encounter room, there will be a lil altar tucked in the corner with a golden liquid. Interacting with it will instantly cure you if poisoned.

[rugged leaf]

omg.. thank you

[royal lark]

Just a bit smaller than other combat interactables so its always hard to spot. Regardless, I always try and find it before rushing in

[rugged leaf]

Another question, I’m so sorry I’m asking so much

How do people even make range weapons work

[sand geyser]

yeah lmao

[sand geyser]

Depends on which

[rugged leaf]

I haven’t gone back with the bow and gun just because I can’t get past the minotaur with it

The gun, I died to Theseus and Asteria(?)

[hazy storm]

hi, if I want to do Hera focusing on pomming cast, should I not take any special upgrades to have max chance of pomming specifically? Because my logic was, if I take special then I have more chance of getting demeter AoE damage when cast and some other more fun boons? but then I got a pom with no chance to pom cast and was sad?...

ping if you answer

[modest gyro]

This fecund sucks. Dash doesn't have buffer unlike Hades 2!

[green isle]

yeah the dashing in Hades 1 really threw me off lol I spam the dash in Hades 1 a lot more than 2

[tight basin]

this game has a lot more emphasis on dashing and dash strikes lmao

[royal lark]

Gun is tricky, especially without an aspect. AFAIK your best bet is using Zeus' keepsake and hoping you get his attack boon

after that, Social Distancing

[plain river]

75% odds to get it off rip aren’t bad

you don’t necessarily have to play range with rail either

[rough bison]

I think nobody answered you but you can upgrade your weapons with it

Unlocked when you get all weapons I think

[plain river]

And die in a run for the house of Hades to update* but yep

this is exactly it

[rough bison]

Btw how do you unlock hidden aspects?

Is it random?

I have the spear one but idk how I got it

[plain river]

The spear one is the one you always get first

[rough bison]

Do I havw to win with guan yu to get the next

[plain river]

The rest are dependent on you to having the spear, then you just need 5 titans blood in a given weapon and to run into a specific npc with it and grab the awakening phrase

More refined specific for each weapon are pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[rugged leaf]

Thank you!

[rugged leaf]

Tips on how to not get whooped by Hades’ second life

I beat him on his first health bar on 32 then bit the dust from there

[zenith fractal]

Often, people think 32 heat is rough because their pact sucks or their build-knowledge sucks. feel free to post either if you want help on those.

[rugged leaf]

Sorry what’s a 32 heat 😭? I’ve seen that word thrown around in reddit and here but I never really understood

[zenith fractal]

oh.

you probably want to move to #h1-for-new-players , you're bound to come across spoilers outside of it. for your sake, return here once you've beaten a run or two 🙂

Heat is this game's difficulty-system. it goes from 0 to 63 (or 5 to 64 if you were playing on hellmode)

[rugged leaf]

Oh, I’ll keep that in mind. Thank you kind sir

[hardy badge]

What god has best boons?

i got to elysium purely through daedalus hammer and some luck

and got whooped by the 2 dudes

tips?

[hardy badge]

listening to the hades ost rn cause it was free with game

[zenith fractal]

1: you might want to move to #h1-for-new-players until you beat the game once or twice. the channels outside of that one contain a large amount of gameplay- and story-spoilers.

2: That being said, there are multiple possible answers to this question, depending on what you are trying to do.
Zeus, Athena, Artemis, Aphrodite, Poseidon, and Ares are all part of the common gods to want boons from for the strongest builds. Particularly notable combinations here are or one of the two versions of ZAP (Zeus Artemis Poseidon or Zeus Aphrodite Poseidon).

3: Every god has some usecases. those not mentioned above generally don't perform well as the central build, but still can provide some value in the form of utility, healing or a few damage-bonuses from tier 2 boons. Demeter's Ravenous Will, Rare Crop or Nourished Soul come to mind. From Dionysus, there's After Party, Premium Vintage, his call, and in some rare situations his cast or attack can be fine to pick up as well.

[waxen dragon]

Gosh level 8 heroic trippy shot Beowulf run, didn't get mirage shot though, ended up with sea storm, jolted and razor shoals

[waxen dragon]

Is it me or does Poseidon aspect seem to hit harder than Nemesis?

[plain river]

Just you

[zenith fractal]

one of the builds for Poseidon (basing all damage off of athena's cast) is kind of easy to stumble across by looking at the aspect's gimmick, hence the confusion.

[serene dove]

Yo

[plain river]

Yo

[zenith fractal]

🪀

[waxen dragon]

I ended up with Athena and mirage shot, missed the lightning phalanx and exit wounds

Is exit wounds the top priority for Poseidon aspect? Or some duo?

[plain river]

It’s usually lightning phalanx or hunting blades depending on which cast you go for

(athena or ares)

exit wounds is only effective if your casts are lodging and don’t already kill your enemies in 1-2 casts so it’s usually pretty mid

[waxen dragon]

Oh I'll try out those

[stoic orbit]

I don't understand how Aspect of Hera upgrade works. Can someone explain it to me as if I were stupid?

[proper furnace]

Casts take less time to drop out from the enemies if they get stuck in them

Base time is 15s, max level hera takes 5s

[verbal flicker]

Why does it say 2.17 seconds sometimes

[proper furnace]

Quick reload from hermes

[verbal flicker]

I don't believe I had it

Maybe I'm misremembering

[proper furnace]

You had to lol

[frank goblet]

^

[verbal flicker]

Wait how much does quick reload do

4 seconds I assume

At whatever rarity I had

[proper furnace]

5/3.3/2.5s

It combines with hera's own decrease and gets shown in hera's description

Oh for that number, were you using stygian soul and picked auto reload instead?

[verbal flicker]

No I had infernal

And 6.17 second Hera

Maybe it was 2.87

My memory is cooked anyway

[stoic orbit]

I thought it reduced the cooldown of Stygian Soul Thanks for the explanation

[waxen dragon]

Ugh failed a Beo run then successfully completed another. Wish I was more consistently able to salvage runs. Beo and hera should use flood shot? I managed one or two where I managed to pom the cast to level 16 and in a few cases they were heroic level

Does Hera benefit from mirage shot?

[wheat elbow]

Yeah in all my recent Beowulf runs I went Flood Flare + Deadly Strike to try to get Mirage Shot, I'm gonna try Trippy Flare next since it's bugged to be stronger (Poms do double addition)

[wheat elbow]

Got Trippy Flare + Scintillating Feast + Ice Wine it was amazing

#h1-victory-boasting message

[proper furnace]

(iirc ice wine fixes the pom bug)

[wheat elbow]

Does Scintillating Feast do the same or nah? So ideally you'd go with Dionysus + Artemis + Poseidon + Zeus and go for Mirage Shot instead?

[proper furnace]

Sci feast doesn't

You also don't need it

An extra dmg over time won't compete with the nuke that is mirage shot

Depending on the poseidon core you took is also more annoying cuz it would open sea storm, thus less chances to get mirage from poseidon

[wheat elbow]

Oh yeah that's true

Probably just go for Fully Loaded and Mirage Shot then

[proper furnace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/942263189599563816/2022021300340500-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4?ex=692c64ba&is=692b133a&hm=1891956849cfed688b142628e01458b3690fa4cb63ac4a774720677b988cd369&

[proper furnace]

Trippy beo is already inconsistent, keep fully loaded more of a "nice if it shows up"
Non lodging casts have a harder time getting it already cuz you have 1 less option as a pre requisite

Better to aim for chaos's extra casts or hourglass and buy casts from charon well

[tight basin]

beo should use flood shot -> deadly strike -> mirage shot yes
hera should not, it just wants crush shot and snow burst

hera doesnt get the mirage shot bug like beo does except with dio cast bc the bug specifically effects "flares", which is what every cast on beo is called

and on hera dio cast gets changed to trippy flare

[green isle]

I need tips for defeating ||hades|| bro. I can maybe finish first phase but then I only have 30 health and no more death definces so I just accept defeat at that point. I'm trying to grind as much darkness and keys as I can as well

[royal lark]

Sounds like you haven't unlocked everything off the mirror, so keep working on that. Perks at the bottom help a lot in the run, as they can ensure you have more high quality boons. There's also Privileged Status for the 40% damage bonus on any enemy with 2 debuffs/curses

[tight basin]

Family favorites is generally better than priv status but still yeah def work on the mirror lmao

[royal lark]

Ehhh, for boss fights (which is where they're struggling) Priv is gonna win out; Family Favorites can only get to 25% unless you waited until Styx to get your fourth God, and even then the extra boons won't have any synergy with your build

[proper furnace]

Not all builds love going for 2 curses

[green isle]

I figured I was probably missing some things. victory is just right there but I still have lots of things to do

[proper furnace]

It kinda gives a bad habit where you pick boons just to enable priv so like, eh

Fam fav is just grab and move along

15% difference is not that big

[wheat elbow]

Yeah I pretty much force a god for Tartarus and/or Asphodel in all my runs so I know if I want Family Favorite or Privileged Status before the run

But if someone doesn't have a build in mind then definitely Family Favorite is better

[proper furnace]

Even with builds in mind not all run into 2 curses

Stuff with athena/artemis where the curse is either not that desirable or not good for priv

If you run stuff like hangover is free tho

[waxen dragon]

Oh ok I'll try Hera with Dio flare and hopefully get mirage shot

[plain river]

Only like hangover builds and crush burst hera want priv stat

[frank goblet]

crush burst beo too if you're magnil

[jolly chasm]

[plain river]

jolted + razor shoals eris

[cold raft]

How do you get a duo

[zenith fractal]

have all necessary requirements for it, then get slightly lucky.

there are some other optimizations you can do and I would recommend to increase your odds.

(see this chain of messages)

[uncut bay]

what're the best weapons n aspects for doing hitless for the thorn of thanatos achievement?

[jolly chasm]

Hestia is a really good option if you have it leveled up

Guan Yu plus charged skewer hammer is also really good

[uncut bay]

hestia it is then

[plain river]

If your hestia is underleveled it’s def Guan-Yu but otherwise yeah personal pref

[zenith fractal]

Any shield works too. While the Team Hitless community makes a distinction between hits and damage, the game does not, meaning blocking with shields is allowed.

[hexed flint]

what happens if you have dio call & a weaker source of hangover
like if dio call hits something twice and then you start hitting the same guy with drunken strike do the stacks from the call get overwritten?

[verbal flicker]

im pretty sure yes

[proper furnace]

Correct

New sources of hangover overwrite older ones no matter the dmg difference

Or well, in that specific scenario you could have 2 call stacks and 3 attack stacks

[hexed flint]

but if you hit it more than 3 times the dio stacks get overwritten right

[zenith fractal]

you have misunderstood, I think. in practice, to find how much hangover damage you have, just multiply the latest-applied hangover source by the amount of total hangover stacks the enemy has

[hexed flint]

ohh

[zenith fractal]

this means that having 2 different sources of hangover is actively detrimental, as you will regularly be overwriting the stronger source (call, for example) with the weaker source (attack, for example)

[hexed flint]

i see

that make sense

[hexed flint]

i was confused by this statement

[proper furnace]

your scenario was specifically 2 call hits

so if you did 3 attacks you reach the cap without yet overwriting the call stacks

mostly of a funny aside than something you think about

[hexed flint]

but this contradicts that

[proper furnace]

just don't have more than 1 hangover source

[hexed flint]

ok

[zenith fractal]

nooby is right, I just wanted to make sure you had the right idea in terms of how hangover cores are used so I simplified it

[proper furnace]

also relevant is that peer pressure is an awful dio boon due to this

(even if funny enough it can have x8 dmg due to a bug)

[olive ridge]

what other gods should i be going for in a merciful end build on zeus shield

[proper furnace]

Arty cast into deadly reversal is a thing you can do

[unreal tree]

zeus or dio call are very good options

zeus also synergizes with artemis if you have infernal cast in the mirror

rod is very powerful with jolted

[proper furnace]

Rod

[stoic orbit]

Does the critical strike chance granted by the Nemesis Aspect stack with that of Artemis' blessings?

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[sacred crater]

I'm making this build that's currently using the aspect of talos, and poseidon's tempest flourish, I also started with a hammer that gave me concentrated knuckle, where could I take this build to? (I also have demeter's crystal beam but that was just because nothing else was great on Demeter's boon)

[verbal flicker]

Maybe try something like Zeus attack, splash dash and sea storm? Sorry, I'm not a big fists player and sea storm is inconsistent to get

[hardy bloom]

Low-key what is the best weapon to beat all bosses

Cuz I’m stuck on Cerberus, and Elysium

[plain river]

Highkey all the weapons are balanced enough for you to use whatever enough

but

shield and the ranged weapons are typically your safest options to pull you through

you can easily have your first clear with whatever you want

[hardy bloom]

K thanks

[sacred crater]

So far, I've only escaped twice and I've escaped with Arms and the bow (bow was first)

[uncut bay]

are any particular weapons/aspects recommended for dealing with Routine Inspection or would any do fine

[plain river]

just the first level? any of them

the first level just takes off the boon consistency and gold laurel consistency upgrades

As long as it isn’t a super rng reliant build you should be fine

[uncut bay]

ngl i kinda forgot it has ticks

[royal lark]

maybe stay clear of builds that require a specific duo/legendary, as you're less likely to find them

[gleaming narwhal]

Which cast and call god boons are good?
I use Varatha the Spear.

[plain river]

call: zeus and dionysus for damage (judt use minicalls)
athena and poseidon for defense

cast is generally just whatever unless it’s a cast based build. Sometime you can open a duo like deadly reversal or sea storm

[olive ridge]

meme beam and hunting blades just plays the game for you if you're on aspect of achilles

[gleaming narwhal]

Need to read about them

I have first aspect of achilles

Lvl 1

[gleaming narwhal]

Okay 👍

[plain river]

@open moth

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1449737975616372736/2025082808014601-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mov?ex=697aa7f4&is=69795674&hm=4ff1527a76a8e2e6ccbe5b05759e85a404158e02c618f9640e8e315fd60c2030&

this is from my like

best luci run

it’s not even input heavy it’s like specialling and then dashing and striking rinse repeat

compared to Hera with 500 casts per bow shot

What do you have mapped to scroll wheel?

[open moth]

I wasn't using dash to detonate lmao

[open moth]

Special

[open moth]

Yeah no, I was specialing 3 different clusters of enemies at once and using my beam to denotate them

Mouse cursor go wheeeeeee

[plain river]

Oh man

[open moth]

I'm imagining great mental anguish on the other side of my screen

[plain river]

I’m just like

I don’t even know if I was thinking that hard

Dash to detonate is so peak

[tight basin]

11 sec heroes kinda clean god damn

[plain river]

That’s only what

4 seconds slower than the phalanx shot one?

[tight basin]

idk the fast end of beo is like 4-5 sec

and considering you dont really play luci and not a top speedrunner i'd say 11 sec is pretty good lmfao

[plain river]

Dang

My frame of reference is that one silly phalanx clip I’m sure you’ve seen it

[plain river]

You know what else is messed

I think I have a 30s Hades fight with arthur

or maybe it was faster

It’s like the only one I timed because I got like no “darkness”es

more recent timings my avg seems to be 45 across all weaps and runs since

[open moth]

Chaos boons on backstab + exposed + crit can get quadruple digit damage numbers on the third strike
Not the fastest, but a bit of a whiplash to see for the first time

[plain river]

I was definitely not using a backstab build

You could not catch me

Over my dead body in this year of our lord 2026

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1403781642497298565/8466632D-0B96-4A25-944C-67F440E8CB11.jpg?ex=697ae648&is=697994c8&hm=ac18f4381954f01d7949bae26c0583c4ad659f105fa6cc1afb04b08a7c9922d0&

Found it pretty fast

[open moth]

I thought dash strike bonuses don't apply to the 3-hit sequence

[zenith fractal]

They indeed don't, dashstrike-bonuses only apply to dashstrikes

Regular attack- and backstab-bonuses however can.

[plain river]

They don’t. That’s why I said you wouldn’t catch me playing a backstab build

[zenith fractal]

(He says, with shadow slash 2nd hammer )

[plain river]

That was just funny

[hardy badge]

anyone got a build for low heat just beat hades for 1st time ( i use aspect of zeus)

[verbal flicker]

Get Zeus boon for special and static discharge for jolted
For attack, personally I like Artemis, but aphro works too
For call, Zeus or dio have the best damage and if you get aphro attack then you can get the duo
Cast doesn't matter much but if you get Artemis attack you can go for aphro for the duo with Zeus and weak, if not anything for aoe or to get boiling blood
Best hammer is explosive return followed by charged shot

This is good for any heat btw

[sacred crater]

What build is this? looks fun

[plain river]

It’s like a classic lightning strike luci build with triple bomb (lucis strongest hammer), tidal dash to explode bombs and artemis special alongside pressure points /support fire hunters mark for more flat damage scaling

Let me pull up the screenshot from like 5 months ago

[verbal flicker]

how does splash dash explode bombs

[plain river]

anything that deals damage explodes the bombs on contact

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1404282483536822423/80F56079-DAF6-43A5-A7E8-46D10EA7F7C2.jpg?ex=697b673a&is=697a15ba&hm=4ba4b891f6c6b90445aad74c055f0337aec80fa1cde9238817e21aa49b898f2b&

this has a bunch of extra silly stuff that isn’t necessary at all to the build

like the cast boons and items

[verbal flicker]

huh

i did not know that

ohh right its lucifer

im dumb

[hardy badge]

thunks

[valid lily]

Anyone have any strong opinions on the best boons to pair with the spear? I've been struggling with it

[olive ridge]

hunting blades

easiest clear of your life

[wheat elbow]

I've only ever used Guan-Yu and with that you really want Artemis/Aphrodite on Special + maybe Athena on Dash

[hardy bloom]

Gimme a challenge

Like random weapon

Only 1 god

Cast build

Special

Or attack

[tight basin]

get sub10 lmao

[hardy bloom]

Bet

[verbal flicker]

How is cast build a challenge

[tight basin]

freezing vortex build

[shy robin]

How does the aspect of lucifers ammo consumption work? Is it just “for every 1 second firing 1 ammo consumed?”

[zenith fractal]

every _ milliseconds (don't remember how much, probably like every decisecond or two) the player is firing, if the player has ammo, consume 1 ammo.

hilariously, this decrement starts before lucifer's attack beam starts dealing damage, meaning it's possible to shoot repeatedly at an enemy without dealing damage to the enemy.

[rough blade]

lowest damage to ammo ratio run

[upbeat tinsel]

just came in here to ask a single question off a single idea i had. is it possible to do a run of the game without picking up any boons? i'm searching messages and i see a lot of theorycrafting relating to damage without boons, or games modded to have no boons. but i just attempted to do boonless myself, and i've been brought to a grinding halt thrice in a row because miniboss encounters seem to force boon rewards.

[plain river]

Are you trying to get the dialogue

[upbeat tinsel]

wait is there a dialogue for no boons

[plain river]

yeah

You just have to have 0 purgable boons by the time you reach Hades

To get it

[upbeat tinsel]

okay, so it's have no boons when you beat the game. i had no idea that was there, but that's neat

my idea was to never have to pick up a boon in the first place but it's seeming like that's not possible

[plain river]

I’m not sure myself

I know if you’re doing tradional boonless for like the speedrunning community you just have to not benefit from any boon you pick up

[upbeat tinsel]

is there a more reliable repository of info than the fandom wiki

said wiki seems to be indicating that it is possible to completely avoid miniboss encounters, and i may simply need to put more time into it

[proper furnace]

Just gotta luck out with multiple exits or chaos/erebus afaik

[upbeat tinsel]

hm. true boonless may be back on the menu

i wonder if the seed i gave up and quit out on will still be there. that one gave me serrated point right at the start

[jolly chasm]

aspho needs a chaos gate or c20 combat

[proper furnace]

Can charon fight bail you out?

[jolly chasm]

dont think so

wait

yes it can

3 door c19 into charon

[plain river]

https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/

Only for boon and hammer info

insanely reliable and holds more information for every boon

[upbeat tinsel]

well then that's fairly useful for some things. thanks

[plain river]

some of the pom scaling gets sketchy when you get near the point where they reach linear pom scaling though

[upbeat tinsel]

other question: do boons have a max level

[plain river]

nope

[upbeat tinsel]

figures. that's rad

[plain river]

all boons hit a linear value by level 7 at the latest

where they always get boosted by that number going forward

[upbeat tinsel]

highest i saw was 10 (drunken strike on uhh. zag rail i think) which was just a nice number

[plain river]

I’ve seen 50 but realistically the highest I got was like 14

let me check

[upbeat tinsel]

50 is insane

[plain river]

They literally ran like 1 or 2 boons to make sure they could always hit divine dash

for a meme run

divine dash only ever poms for 1 damage btw it’s no tidal dash scaling

[upbeat tinsel]

wow. where can i see that run

[plain river]

Been 3-4 years can’t remember where to find it

😔

[upbeat tinsel]

alr. don't worry if it's gonna be a pain

[proper furnace]

Haelian also has like lvl 50 something crush shot

[plain river]

Crush shot had to be easier to achieve

[proper furnace]

Ofc

[plain river]

it’d be way easier to set up sweet nectar earlier

[proper furnace]

Divine dash is funnier tho

[plain river]

Real gamers do lvl50 tidal dash

[plain river]

I think the funniest option is high voltage

like you can end up with this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1404271453838376971/High_Voltage.mov?ex=6981f474&is=6980a2f4&hm=de69e67f2496f6c0796eb985b601bd0a3cbe2ed09783089c62f3b50e36759a25&

[proper furnace]

That's slicing flare size lmfao

[plain river]

No it’s literally snow burst size

😁

596 radius where snow burst is 600

[proper furnace]

Insane

[plain river]

That’s only like level 12-14 so it’s far below what it could be as well

Although it does have a lower ceiling overall since you need at least one lightning boon to see any of the benefits

[olive ridge]

guys i think im stuck in greece after using the haelian mod

nvm i got back but had to quit twice

didnt get the first 3 bounties tho

[tulip flower]

how does one get the haelian mod? and what does it do? also, tips on how to manage the heart seeking bow?

[plain river]

The #1 advice I can give you with the bow is to dash-strike more

It’s the best tool it has by far, and it lowkey makes it like a rythm hame

[cosmic musk]

the combo of Ares' cast with Lightning Rod and Hunting Blade duo goes hard

all u need to do is use your casts and run around as they melt bosses on their own

[tulip flower]

Thanks

[rough blade]

you can ask more about modding in the hades moddding server #self-promotion message

[rough plaza]

I have finished the game heatless with the shield and the railgun and I'm reliably reaching Hades with the 4 death defiance, by running the sword and the spear.

for the sword I'm using cursed slash with Athena and Artemis, while for the spear I've used flurry and the seven hits for the special, with Aphrodite. However, despite being able to crush everything before (I don't need to dodge the minotaur with the sword, for instance), Hades' second phase ends up killing me.

Skill issue, or not the best builds?

[frank goblet]

yes and yes, cursed slash for the sword isnt that good as it only triggers on standing strikes and not dash strikes, athena and artemis is fine in terms of gods, for spear flurry jab is considered the best hammer while the ricochet hammer is rather bad as special builds more so revolve around charged skewer aphro special is fine as its really high % with flurry jab you tend to look for zeus attack as it meshes really well the rapid attacks

for the hades fight, it just kinda comes down to knowing his patterns and using the cover thats there

[waxen dragon]

Curse of drowning and charged shot on Beo is weird, probably doesn't work?

[zenith fractal]

cod stays on zagreus even on beo/hera, yeah

[proper furnace]

Ehrm, hera can't get it 🤓

[zenith fractal]

cod? yes it can

cshot? no it can't

[proper furnace]

No I'm pretty sure cod is banned for hera

both the github and fandom wikis mark it as not compatible

[zenith fractal]

fandom wiki also says eris cannot get hazard bomb, which is definitely incorrect

so I don't quite trust it on those exclusions

[plain river]

Gothub wiki doesn’t

I trust it just given everything else there is practically datamined

[tight basin]

Cod is banned on one of them I know that for sure lmao

[zenith fractal]

learn something new everyday

[proper furnace]

ik for sure beo can get it

[zenith fractal]

sorry for spreading misinformation, gang

[proper furnace]

tbf, is cod

got early access in tart thanks to god's legacy

decided to plume for the funsies

legendary 3 times in a row

not early access

exclusive

[plain river]

Early?

[proper furnace]

[zenith fractal]

Electronic Arts

[waxen dragon]

Still struggle with sword, managed to clear it with merciful end, just not much with anything else. I also managed to clear with Arthur on Athena attack.

[olive ridge]

how does the eris effect work once u take rocket hammer

[frank goblet]

its based on where ever the rocket lands idr the exact radius sadly

[spare cedar]

Pls help, I cant finish run with shield :/

[wheat elbow]

If no timer you can just take it as safe as possible

[open moth]

Block

[wheat elbow]

Most of my first 16 clears were 30+ minutes with Doom on the Bull Rush just taking it extremely slow

[spare cedar]

block for attack?

[frank goblet]

the bullrush charge is a block, the front of it blocks almost everything in the game

[verbal flicker]

What doesn't it block?

Other than aerial projectiles that hit an area

[frank goblet]

pots from dad and some attacks that are from ground (kinda)

[verbal flicker]

Wdym attacks from ground

[frank goblet]

furies have their ground denial attacks

u know the circles?

[verbal flicker]

Uh

I haven't played in a whole so I forgot a bit but I'm pretty sure yeah

[plain river]

Shockwaves iirc

[open moth]

It blocks the shockwaves from the redacted skull thingies

[spare cedar]

Oh.... ok ok, Im very close to the end of game, GOOD TO KNOW Xd

[olive ridge]

run zeus shield
praise merciful end

[spare cedar]

Hmm I probanly dont try it yet

Thanks!

[versed jungle]

yo

I got a question for you all

what do you think is the best build on the whole game

any aspect and weapon

any mirror config

i got once this build and it was simply perfect

Divine Strike on the attack
Curse of Pain on my special

flood shot on the cast
passion dash
and zeus aid

I used the spear on the zag aspect (you can do any aspect really, but I wanted the extra special damage that zag gives you)

You will also need any revenge boon. There are 5 Revenge Boons, Heaven's Vengeance from Zeus, Curse of Vengeance from Ares, Holy Shield from Athena, Wave of Despair from Aphrodite and Frozen Touch from Demeter. Of those, you need to get Ares and Zeus in your build for their Duo, Vengeful Mood.

[jolly chasm]

beo, either flood or dio

[wheat elbow]

Yeah highest ceiling is Dionysus probably

Just cause you could get insanely lucky with extra casts and stygian soul

[versed jungle]

With ONLY the boons I mentioned earlier build you can get:
Curse of Longing
Curse of Drowning
Merciful End
Heart Rend
Parting Shot
Unshakable Mettle
Smoldering Air
Sweet Nectar
Sea Storm
Vengeful Mood

[wheat elbow]

Wouldn't beat the damage output of Mirage Shot superpommed Trippy Flare with like 4 casts from Chaos/Charon/Artemis and Stygian Soul

[proper furnace]

Trippy flare is already high rolling as hell imagine that lol

And half of those duos are, okay at best

[wheat elbow]

Also funny thing about Dionysus Beowulf is you want Demeter for Snow Burst/Ravenous Will but not Ice Wine because it adds a delay

[proper furnace]

(it also fixes the pom bug iirc)

[wheat elbow]

Oh yeah someone told me that before

[versed jungle]

And there are obviously more boons wich will help you get some of the legendaries this build allows (i wrote only the useful ones)

Support Fire and Pressure Points/Exit Wounds, will get you Fully Loaded

Black Metal or/and Engulfing Vortex will get you Vicious Cycle

Flurry Cast, Quick Reload or Lambet Plume, Will get you Greater Recall (infernal soul)

Brilliant Reposite will get you Divine Protection

(spitting bold and second wave are useful but not that much)

Take into account that you will only be able to get SOME of this legendaries (probably only one)

[tight basin]

none of this does nearly as much damage as beowulf lmfao

with like 3 boons

[wheat elbow]

Maybe Achilles with Hunting Blades or Eris with Clockets + Heart Rend or whatever could come close

[tight basin]

hunting blades doesn't get close, eris clockets is a maybe considering it used to be the old routed wr

achilles may have been the first sub5 but that's bc the player was insane lmfao

achilles is still really good but not even close to beo

you have to be insanely good at achilles to be at the same level as like an above average beo player lmfao