h1-builds-and-combat

[potent tree]

I don't understand why he posted the same question twice in different channels, especially since the second posting came after he got an answer from SomeNoobDying

[hot socket]

i didnt reealize i wws in wrtong channel so then posted in this one

which hammers would you prefer with it

[potent tree]

Double Edge. Everything else is fairly irrelevant save maybe Breaching Slash

[proper furnace]

Shadow slash/double edge

[tight basin]

yeah one of those two

three if you include breaching

[hot socket]

thank you all for all the help it fells weird being new to a game thats so old haha this is also my first rogue like

[potent tree]

Are you dash-striking when you play ranged weapons?

[hot socket]

no was i supposed to?

[potent tree]

Yes. Very much so. As is the case with most weapons in Hades, actually

[proper furnace]

For hera it allows faster charging (even if you ideally do minimum charges)

Hestia allows you to use dash to supplement dmg/benefit from dash strike bonuses

[hot socket]

arthur feels amazing haha

[plain river]

avg Shackle game has ranged weapons outperforming melee weapons even when used at melee ranges

[tight basin]

sounds about right

[brisk adder]

Using aspect of Talos, what should I pick out of heavy knuckle, long knuckle and quake cutter?

[tight basin]

long knuckle

[brisk adder]

Thank you!

Are the other two any good? Asking for future reference

[tight basin]

not at all lmao

heavy knuckle is like

technically decent on talos if you actually want to put in the time and effort in learning that but also it's just worse overall

and build around it too

quake cutter never has a reason to be picked lmao

[brisk adder]

Okay gotcha! Thank you!

[brisk adder]

Draining cutter, Concentrated knuckle or Explosive upper for aspect of Talos?

[ashen lichen]

?stick This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

?stickspeed 2min

[vital night]

Explosive upper but none of them are great

Breaching cross is ideal

[brisk adder]

Thank you!

[brisk adder]

Will keep an eye out for it

[turbid needle]

In terms of trying to maximize my chances of getting a duo such as mirage shot, would it increase my chances more if I were to say select the dio special (artemis/poseidon special won't get in the way of me getting mirage shot) or do I select a boon that doesn't correspond to any duo so other duos dont get in the way of the one I want

[proper furnace]

2nd, don't open more duos

if you roll the duo chance it gets into a 50/50 which one you get

[plain river]

You want to fill your cores with boons that won’y open other duos

so

^ just like noob said above

but you will want to prioritise getting artemis or pos special just because leaving the core open worsens your odds

[dense crag]

Which weapon aspect should I unlock first ?

[fresh dragon]

Here’s what I tend to recommend: get one of the Zagreus Aspects of a weapon you’re comfortable farming low heat levels w/ to get Titan Blood Bounties, and from there you’ll have an easier time unlocking more

I recommend the Gloves and Bow as they’re the best Zagspects

[dense crag]

should i invest one blood into the zagspect or max it out and then farm ?

[fresh dragon]

I would personally max it out myself, but that’s just to get that weapon ticked off for 100%, but a Level 3 Zag Bow is only critting 6% less often than a Level 5 one, so the choice is yours

As for which aspect to get afterwards, I would recommend watching some videos of the aspects of your favorite weapons, and choose one you think you’ll enjoy first and foremost. Also not to use it until it’s at least level four, cause a lot of aspects don’t feel great until they’re maxed out

[long escarp]

I say Hestia

[summer kiln]

can someone help me with zag's run after 16 heat? im stuck at 18 and cant progress..

[unique trout]

What boons are good for gilga

[unique trout]

Nemesis is pretty good and so is demeter but that’s my playstyle

[manic rose]

I am using a hestia rail and got the rocket hammer with an epic heartbreak strike lvl 2 from tartarus and a rare broken resolve are there any god keepsakes that would benefit me greatly at this point? I also had demeters aid but sold it so she is now in the god pool

[jolly chasm]

Take Poseidon for Tdash

[manic rose]

how exactly does the curse of longing work? would it for example automatically and continuously apply doom to any enemy that is affected by weak? like if I hit them with a heartbreak strike would they get doom as well?

[proper furnace]

Hit them with doom and if they have weak they'll keep being hit by it

Reducing doom's dmg by 50% each time

[manic rose]

does delta chamber hammer work with the hestia rail reload attack?

[proper furnace]

If you mean if your reload shot will shoot 3 bullets, no
If you mean if it kills the aspect, also no

It just lets you reload like usual

[knotty sigil]

i did not realize only the charged attack gave back health for the guan yu

[knotty sigil]

i cannot get charged skewer for the life of me

[knotty sigil]

i might need a visual demonstration of this reload cancel for the hestia build

why is the bot here? i'm not breaking rules?

[proper furnace]

Is on every channel cuz people keep missing the hades 2 channels

Is just automated to trigger every so often/when people talk

[long escarp]

Wym? You want to press reload, then immediately press dash. You might even be able to press them at the same time, I can’t remember

Or do you mean using reload to cancel the special animation

[clever comet]

Guys what kind of build should i make for the rail

[vital night]

which aspect

[clever comet]

Eris

I am fairly new just a heads up so i might not get everything you say

[vital night]

all g

[knotty sigil]

it's so hard not to mash

one thing i'm confused with is that i've never seen a boon that goes past that percentage ever

[vital night]

eris gives a global damage buff, so the best way to play it is to get a bunch of sources of flat damage and have the buff boost them all. the usual build is zeus on attack, poseidon on dash, and a big % boost like artemis or aphrodite on special. a key supporting boon is static discharge from zeus. generally you should maximize the uptime on your buff, so prioritize using your special towards where YOU are going to be and not where your enemies are. the rail seems ranged but a lot of damage will also come from tidal dash, so once you feel comfortable not getting hit, the combo is: shoot special towards enemies, dash into special to get buffed, dash into enemies while shooting.

@clever comet

[vital night]

https://youtu.be/tsHxB1f1ADY?t=175

notice how I don't let the whole reload animation play out

[clever comet]

Thanks for the tip

[proper furnace]

Epic athena/dem should have around that
Rare+ aphro (and epic pos too somehow)

You can also just do arty instead

Oh wait hestia oops

Ignore the pos part for atk

[vital night]

yeah for attack it's athena and aphro with that

i think dem is close

[vital night]

the main reason is that if your attack bonus from god boons is <100%, you'd be better off just taking shackle

[potent tree]

Practice (perfect) practice (perfect) practice! You could maybe start with Zagbow and try dash-striking very deliberately to 1. hit Power Shots and 2. line up multiple enemies for maximum damage

[vital night]

i think he's talking about hestia

[potent tree]

Probably, yeah. I think I'd still stick to what I said since Zagbow should build some nice fundamentals for Hestia.

[vital night]

i have attack on lmb, reload on rmb, and dash on space. what the combo looks like for me is lmb-rmb-space-space

eh, if you want to get better at hestia, play hestia

[potent tree]

I remember the days of getting Special and Dash confused while reloading Hestia

[knotty sigil]

ok i think i got it

[manic rose]

between athena and poseidon dash under what circumstances is one better than the other?

[potent tree]

Ranged weapons really like Poseidon's dash. It's pretty good damage for essentially free

[proper furnace]

You can slap either based on preference really

Tidal on like fists is more annoying cuz range

Or hera/non Cshot beo cuz it can mess up grouping

[brisk adder]

Is rolling knuckle any good for aspect of Talos?

[proper furnace]

is rolling the dash strike one?

[potent tree]

Yarrr

[brisk adder]

Yep!

What does 'added to attack sequence' mean too for rolling knuckle?

[proper furnace]

at the end of your standing attack sequence you do the dash strike swipe

btw is this in general or is one of your options mid run

[brisk adder]

One of my options mid run

The other options are concentrated knuckle and draining cutter

[potent tree]

Concentrated Knuckle isn't too shabby on Talos

[proper furnace]

ig? you prob don't have a % attack tho

kinda doesn't matter really

can't even use draining on rats thanks to the pull

[brisk adder]

I have Artemis attack 🙂

[proper furnace]

oh well then lmao

yeah conc sounds fun ig

I wish it didn't reset the moment the combo ended

[brisk adder]

Yeah would be good! Thank you for the advice 🙂

[clever comet]

Hey guys what would be a good build for zeus aspect shield?

[potent tree]

Zeus Special to start, then stack more and more Zeus

[clever comet]

So just go all in on zeus?

What about supporting gods

[potent tree]

Aphrodite or Artemis on Attack, then take whatever Zeus duo they unlock. Take Zeus call if possible

[clever comet]

Ok cool thx

[clever comet]

As my first boon do i take thunder flourish or lightning strike

[proper furnace]

Flourish

[clever comet]

Ok

Rare lightning strike, thunder dash and discharge at epic, which one

[proper furnace]

Discharge

Then focus poms on it

[clever comet]

Yeah figured

Ok

[potent tree]

Zeus Special to start, then stack more and more Zeus

[clever comet]

In tartarus should i focus on hearts or poms

[proper furnace]

Your call

[clever comet]

Fair

[proper furnace]

Early poms are nice xuz you have less targets

[clever comet]

Yeah thats true

[proper furnace]

But you also don't wanna just die

[vital night]

if you have static discharge, poms into it are high priority before your pom pool gets diluted

[potent tree]

All the kool kids take poms

[clever comet]

Poms it is then

[vital night]

figure out how safe you can be in tart and take as little health as possible

this is more relevant for higher heats but i'll usually pom discharge always and if I die, I die

[fading bluff]

how do you run gun fast
I can't even TD2 it at 18 heat (and no "just remove TD" is not answering my question)

[vital night]

but if the run makes it to aspho with a decent level discharge, it has a good chance at clearing

[vital night]

zeus on attack and static discharge

[proper furnace]

What are you adding along TD

[potent tree]

Also, which gun?

[fading bluff]

eris

[vital night]

it's probably an issue with your build

[potent tree]

Then I'd second what Dragonappendix has told you regarding Zeus

[fading bluff]

I tried running plume as my keepsake (not really for any purpose I forgot to change it) and notice I wasn't able to do any elysium rooms in time

should I just do a zeus start

[potent tree]

Plume isn't very strong. Start with Zeus's keepsake

[fading bluff]

I was running plume in an earlier run, was memeing with the dodge rate

and forgot to change it is all

[vital night]

generally zeus start will clear tart very quickly, even with jury summons enabled

[fading bluff]

does jury summons increase the number of waves or the number of enemies spawned per wave

[vital night]

enemies/wave

maximum waves is 3 and I think wave # is independent of JS

[clever comet]

Which keepsake do i use in styx? I am still on the zeus shield

[proper furnace]

acorn usually

[clever comet]

Ok

[long escarp]

Actually one of the best speedrun aspects

Since your special gives a global 75% damage buff, it works especially well with flat damage sources. Things like chain lightning, tidal dash, and jolted, all of which already work well with the fast attack and dash strikes that increase your fire speed

[latent briar]

Whats a fun build to use with Lucifer?

[proper furnace]

super soaker is the peak meme for luci

pos attack, zeus core into sea storm

power wash them all

[latent briar]

Absolutely beautiful, Ill try it

[proper furnace]

jolted is the other thing you mainly wanna get

but shoals helps a lot before duo

[fresh dragon]

How to turn Hades into Power Wash simulator:

[thorn ice]

what are the best hammer upgrades for shield?

[vital night]

Charged shot for base shield, chaos, and Beowulf. Explosive return for Zeus

[latent briar]

lost to super dad unfortunately

[summer wadi]

what's the best pact setup for 32 heat?

oh wait that stickybot thing is super interesting wtf

like it just reposts every few messages?

[proper furnace]

yeah

it tries to keep the message at the bottom

[proper furnace]

check #h1-high-heat-strategies pinned messages

[summer wadi]

didnt even see that channel

*ah shoot sorry

[mint bluff]

Has anyone got some aspect of lucifer advice for me? I just unlocked it

[errant narwhal]

try poseidon attack for a funny build

[potent tree]

A conversation about Lucifer just about your comment. Good starting place for a funny build: #h1-builds-and-combat message

[mint bluff]

Zeus core?

[proper furnace]

for an actual build instead of super soaker you can just do the standard rail build
grab zeus atk, find static discharge (pom it), grab tidal dash and a high % special boon

[proper furnace]

the boons show to the left of your UI, attack/special/cast/dash/call

[mint bluff]

oh im going to be fr I have absolutely 0 idea what they meant

[proper furnace]

cores are the boons that affect zag's kit basically

[mint bluff]

What would the name of zeus's core be, I find that a bit easier to remember

[proper furnace]

any core opens the duo

ideally you take special/dash or call tho

cuz those also open double strike

[mint bluff]

I still have no idea what a core is 😭

[errant narwhal]

the boons that appear on the left of the screen - just attack, special, cast, dash and call. but i think call is not necessarily counted

boons other than those "core" boons wont take up those slots

for example you can stack as many revenge damage boons you want but you can only have one "core" attack

[mint bluff]

So for example "Life affirmation" would be a core boon?

[errant narwhal]

that one just gives you more life from hearts right?

no its not a core boon

tidal dash will fill up your dash slot, so you cant have that and divine dash at the same time. for example

[mint bluff]

ohhhhhhh i get it now

by the way, how exactly should I be using lucifer's special?

[vale shoal]

what does it mean when the internet tells me that varatha needs a good cast to go with it?

[proper furnace]

achilles aspect probably

boosts cast dmg by +150% at lvl 5

[vale shoal]

OH

doesn’t help that i’m super bad at it still but yknow at least that explains that

[fading bluff]

how does one do butterfly ball erebus

it's just instant onion for me

[potent tree]

It's probably one of the hardest things you could do in Hades 😦

[tight basin]

Don't get hit

Hope that helps

[fading bluff]

it's not just erebus either
getting them on the EM4 fight immediately melts my acorn

[vital night]

People take tooth into EM4 for that reason

[potent tree]

Spearpoint vs EM4 BBall: yea or nay?

[proper furnace]

I've seen it as an option but I'll simply just not get B.balls

I prefer tooth over it

[fresh dragon]

Acorn and Tooth are typically the best defensive picks

[inner coral]

For the fated list dark reflections (escaping with all different mirror upgrades), do you need to upgrade them at least once? I did one but does not show as completed…

[fresh dragon]

Do you have both the Purple and Green mirrors completed?

[proper furnace]

Which skill it was?

[inner coral]

Dark foresight with zero upgrades, so it does nothing

Do i have to upgrade them once?

[proper furnace]

Yeah I think those type of skills will need lvl up

Something like stygian soul shouldn't bc the effect is always working

Prob just make sure they have one lvl anyways tho, dunno how it actually is

[inner coral]

Ok ty will try again

[proper furnace]

And also level up dark foresight anyways

Actually the best mirror skill

[inner coral]

…i always use olympian favor

[proper furnace]

Olympian favor is technically fine

Is just not dark foresight is the problem

The rate is so big you only see like 5-7 blue laurel rooms across the entire run

And 3 of them are in tart

[inner coral]

Right thats why i get so many gemstones and darkness

Gods legacy or gods pride btw?

[proper furnace]

Pride usually

Even if your build needs a duo is often easy to get if you know what you are doing

(filling cores, using yarns or refreshing nectar)

Persuasion helps too

[clear dock]

is the pom accessory just not objectively the best, outside of the stacking ones?

flow chart: do I have the skill to stack the stacking accessories to a high level? no? then give me free pom upgrades

me, as a scrub, I typically take Charon's coin bag first, to start snowballing my coins, then either a specific olympian for a build I'm going for, then the pom one to level all of my boons.

free poms means I can take max health or other things over pom upgrades

[tight basin]

mom pom is one of the worst lmao

inconsistent poms and you're forced to take combat rooms to actually benefit from them, assuming it'll hit something you want

[clear dock]

if I were more confident and capable in stacking damage/dodge with the stacking accessories, I would prioritize them

[tight basin]

you'd rather have control over your build and get the boons you want rather than random poms on random boons

[clear dock]

kinda disagree, though

[tight basin]

in your build there's generally only like 2 things worth pomming

or at least it should

and you're likely to get junk boons or stuff you'd rather not pom

and you're way more likely to pom the stuff that dont matter than what does matter

[clear dock]

poms have a logarythmic curve

[tight basin]

also again, lack of build control means a worse build overall even if the average boon level is higher

yeah

but some boons arent worth pomming at all anyways

[clear dock]

fair

[tight basin]

not some, most

[clear dock]

I generally don't pom deflect dash

[tight basin]

yeah

[clear dock]

because deflect is the important thing

and the damage is more or less not relevant

[tight basin]

either way, you'd rather have a good build rather than more poms spread out on a bad build

[clear dock]

it's about 13 rooms per floor, right?

[tight basin]

nope

tart is 14

[clear dock]

that's about 13...

[tight basin]

aspho is like 8 or something

ely is like

10?

[clear dock]

ok

and the last one is a lot

if you full clear

[tight basin]

mom pom only counts the end room

so 5

[clear dock]

really?

[tight basin]

wait no nvm

butterfly and plume only count the end room

but also it goes back to the point of random poms on stuff that dont matter lmao

[clear dock]

if you use all of your abilities and none of them are irrelevant...

then buffing all of them is better

[tight basin]

you're more likely to get a junk boon than a useful boon

[clear dock]

especially when considering that the scaling is logarithmic

[tight basin]

like wave of despair or like curse of pain on a build that doesnt use the special

[vital night]

i think mom pom counts every styx chamber for leveling

[tight basin]

sometimes you just take stuff bc you dont have any other option or whatever

yeah it does

[vital night]

and poms

alr

[tight basin]

getting to the end of the run without junk boons isn't impossible, but it's just more likely to happen

if you want to full clear styx for like 5 random poms then sure but it's likely to be not worth your time lmao

[clear dock]

but you can purge junk boons a well

[tight basin]

yeah but that's still rng

also if you really need those 5 poms to hit something important then what happened to the rest of the poms along the way lmao

[clear dock]

but, I mean... do you need poms at all? it's not that you need them, it's that they just improve your dps

[tight basin]

that's why you need them lmao

[clear dock]

has anyone done the actual math?

[tight basin]

to improve your dps

for how important poms are?

[vital night]

i mean

some stuff scales well with poms

hangover, jolted, flat damage in general

but attack and spec don't take poms well after like lvl 5

[tight basin]

more poms -> more dps -> shorter fights -> less time for mistakes bc they're dead

[clear dock]

so you're arguing for my point now?

[vital night]

it is possible to clear without poms if that's what you're asking

[tight basin]

more poms on worthwhile boons

i just didn't feel like typing that all out

[vital night]

what are you arguing in particular

[clear dock]

more poms is better

[tight basin]

poms on wave of despair isn't gonna be a drastic upscale in dps

more poms is better on something useful

[vital night]

yeah more poms is better

[tight basin]

mom pom doesn't reliably hit something useful

[clear dock]

so if you take more poms starting at the second level and keep it til the end...

[tight basin]

you'd rather take a god keepsake at the 2nd level for a better build

[clear dock]

that's fair

is charon in the first level bad?

[vital night]

depends on your build

[tight basin]

assuming you can rng into a good build then technically speaking mom pom is good but then you'd rather take hermes' plume for more movement speed to stack for rd

[clear dock]

I always have the obol(?) snowball mirror thing

15% per chamber

(terms, things)

[tight basin]

golden touch?

15% more gold after each biome?

[clear dock]

yeah

[tight basin]

that's not considered good lol

you'd rather have the 100 gold to buy something at midshop

locking in a good god at midshop for your build is better

you want to spend your money not save it

not even for hoarding slash bc the hammer sucks

[clear dock]

the end hammer?

the random one?

[tight basin]

well that also sucks but i was talking about the hoarding slash hammer

for the sword

deals like 5% more damage based on your gold count

[clear dock]

not sure what you mean by "hoarding slash hammer"

oh

[tight basin]

hoarding slash is a hammer upgrade for the sword

[clear dock]

ok

yeah that always felt underwhelming to me

what's the alternative to the 15% compound interest mirror thing?

flat amount to start?

[tight basin]

100 gold flat start yeah

[clear dock]

I feel like that's just objectively worse

[tight basin]

locking in a second god at midshop is more valuable than saving money for later

good build earlier is better

there's no reason to need that much gold by ely or styx

unless you wanna buy the diamond or titan blood

[clear dock]

what keepsake do you typically start with?

[tight basin]

depends on the aspect

[clear dock]

makes senese

like rail you'd go with zeus unless it's... hestia?

[tight basin]

#h2-builds-and-combat

my dude

did not read stickybot

delete your message please

[tight basin]

yeah pretty much

[clear dock]

makes sense

I'll have to give it a go

[manic rose]

what is the easiest 8 heat setup for the statue?

[upbeat bluff]

What’s a good build for zeus shield?

[void fjord]

I would say tight deadline 1, Extreme measures 2, Forced overvtime 1 is pretty good to get you used to the game at a faster pace and then one level of either calisthenics program or Hard Labour

[mint bluff]

Which aspect and build would be best to use on the twin fists? I gotta get more clears with em but I got absolutely no idea how to use them

[void fjord]

My personal fav is aspect of demeter and aphrodite on the special

a few poms and making it level 3 and your pretty much set for the run beyond getting additional health and any comfort boons

also aphro legendary is pretty easy to get and really op imo

[mint bluff]

So how should I be using the fists, special only? or do I gotta keep attacking and if so are there any boons recommended for that ?

[void fjord]

for aspect of demeter you need to normal attack to charge up the special which hits a bunch of times depending on the level of the aspect

so maybe smtg like demeter or artemis on the normal attack is pretty good

for more damage i think artemis dash is best for when you dash special but i think for survivability you can never go wrong with athena dash

then pray to the rng gods for decent boons that give you added benfits like demeter arctic chill and what not

[mint bluff]

Alright, didnt know the dash-strike also counted for the special so thats neat

[void fjord]

im pretty sure it does cause fists are the only weapons with a unique dash special

could also be super wrong lmao

but artemis dash is really pretty so who cares

just one detail is dont go for the flying kick hammer if you get it offered that hammer is certified ass imo

[autumn haven]

A hundred something hours and I got the Athena and Aries duo boon for the first time this is so absolutely disgusting stinky damage wise. :')

[golden cradle]

Played around a bit more with the aspect of Hestia on the adamant rail.
With Artemis' attack, two charon attack buffs, a bunch of crit buffs and Nyx's Keepsake, the highest single shot damage i was able to get was about 1400! The biggest problem with this build are the satyr in stage 4, so poseidons dash would be necessary for any high heat/speed runs

[autumn haven]

Gilgamesh's Aspect Fists, Aries / Athena duo with athena dash and aries attack, melted anything and it was the most brainless run I ever done

[fresh dragon]

Zeus on the Special is the best standalone god for your DPS, Pairing it with Jolted and Double Strike is the way to go

Dionysus makes for an interesting option on the special since it’s multi-hit and you’ll be getting all of your Hangover stacks quite easily, pair it with Aphro attack to get low tolerance

My favorite is the Merciful End setup, where you have Athena on Attack and Ares on Special, if you get Merciful End it shreds through enemies

[mint bluff]

What's yalls recommendations for aspect of hera, I know aphrodite is best for cast

[proper furnace]

Snow burst to pick off small mobs, hermes quick reload or hyper sprint + delivery

Usual cast buffs from charon wells/chaos

[mint bluff]

What's snow burst?

[proper furnace]

From demeter

Using casts creates a small AoE around you

Does dmg/inflicts chill (can pair with killing freeze to squeeze some extra dmg)

[mint bluff]

Ooooh awesome idea

[proper furnace]

Is a lot better with hera/beo cuz they don't have the cast throwing animation

So you just use snow burst as fast as you can mash

[mint bluff]

What do you like putting on the attack?

[proper furnace]

Arty usually

[mint bluff]

Oh okay I currently got demeter

[proper furnace]

Can pick up some dmg/hunter's mark

[brisk adder]

Is ||pom blossom|| any good?

[proper furnace]

Meme runs only really

Esrly one you'd rather prefer actually getting your boon of choice the later on you have too many boons for the poms to go where you want

[brisk adder]

Ah I get it, thanks for the advice!

[brisk adder]

Do the attack bonuses from chaos affect dash strike?

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[brisk adder]

Thank you!

[mint bluff]

Lumi here back with another question - what do you guys recommend prioritizing with Gilgamesh?

[proper furnace]

Either merciful end or dash only

[mint bluff]

I'm not sure how to get merciful end and what exactly is dash only?

[proper furnace]

Merciful end is start ares attack, find athena special to unlock the duo, find duo and grab divine dash

[brisk adder]

Serrated point or extending jab for Achilles? (Other one is massive spin but always forget to use it)

[proper furnace]

That's the "basic" of it

You also want poms on doom, impending doom (+poms)
Hermes +dashes or hyper sprint + rush delivery

[proper furnace]

Is this first or 2nd hammer

[mint bluff]

Okay I see, so I'm not supposed to deal damage or?? is the dash just really powerful

[brisk adder]

2nd hammer

[proper furnace]

What was your first

[proper furnace]

Merciful end makes it so doom is instantly triggered by your deflect abilities

[brisk adder]

I don't remember but it was a spin related one I think (they were all spin related). It's not letting me check

[proper furnace]

So you just dash strike everyone and do like 200+ per doom proc

[mint bluff]

Hmmm okay, by dash strike do you mean maiming?

[proper furnace]

Attack and hold dash

[brisk adder]

This sounds like lots of fun ngl

[mint bluff]

Oh okay

[proper furnace]

Maim isn't something you really use

[mint bluff]

So maiming is completely out of the question lmaooo

[proper furnace]

Unless bosses for a boosted meg summon

[mint bluff]

Okay it sounds fun I'll try and get that build going

[proper furnace]

Or well idk how well you can use it in normal rooms lol

[proper furnace]

You can't actually check? Pressing B in keyboard/minus on controller

If it's quick spin and you have something like arty atk it can be fun

[brisk adder]

I can check but because I'm on boon select it doesn't let me check

I always tend to go for Arty attack

It might be quick spin

[proper furnace]

Otherwise I think I'll either try and cope with serrated or just ignore and take extened

[proper furnace]

It should let you

[brisk adder]

Was pressing the wrong button 🤦🏾‍♂️. It was flaring spin

[proper furnace]

Ah

I think I'll do serrated?
Or if you have hunting blades going just ignore it and take extended

[brisk adder]

What's hunting blades?

[proper furnace]

Realistically I would have resetted ages ago

[proper furnace]

Ares cast duo, homes on enemies

[brisk adder]

Fair! I need to be better at resetting

[brisk adder]

Ooh, gotcha

[proper furnace]

Nah this is more in a speedrunning mindset lol

Is flurry jab or die pretty much

[brisk adder]

Flurry jab is good for spear? That was an option i think for first hammer lol

[proper furnace]

Best hammer for achilles

Zag spear can use it too and the other 2 aspects can't

[brisk adder]

Ooh! Great to know! Thank you!

[brisk adder]

Starting a run with sword (aspect of zag) and have got Zeus, what should I go for? Zeus attack, Zeus special or Zeus dash?

[brisk adder]

Attack and Special are rare and dash is epic

[digital tundra]

just revealed beowulf but i'm not convinced it's better than zeus aspect

[proper furnace]

Are you basing it off by testing skelly

[digital tundra]

yeah just judging the loading the cast gimmick

[proper furnace]

Nice typo

[digital tundra]

regrettable

[proper furnace]

Charged shot makes it play better
Mirage shot doubles your dmg

Other than that, dash strike into your rushes, the less standing attacks the better

If playing in controller, remapping cast to more comfortable button so you can load easier is nice

[digital tundra]

i play mouse and have cast right next to my left click

[proper furnace]

Good enough

[digital tundra]

it feels like it has higher base dmg

[proper furnace]

Yeah all hiddens follow the formula of slower but higher dmg

[digital tundra]

wait lmao you can load the charges while channeling

[proper furnace]

Yup

The idea mid run is that you only load as many casts as you need to kill

That way you don't waste time waiting for your casts to drop

[digital tundra]

aspect of zeus just has way more synergy with all the dot effects

does beowulf have any good synergies besides daedalus bandaids ?

because beowulf doesn't let you do the charged dash gimmick at the same time as the special

[proper furnace]

Even if Cshot beo is stupid good, w/o it is still a strong aspect

Sudden rush also works to some extent

[digital tundra]

wait does it trigger cast boons or does it override them ?

[proper furnace]

Trigger

They explode at the end of your rush

[digital tundra]

ok cause i haven't gotten a cast boon yet

[proper furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1127395567136423936/soundslikekrillissue.mp4 (this is like a bit higher than average build, speaking from cast dmg buffs)

Your average beo build will probably still phase them in 2-4 rushes

[digital tundra]

that's ludicrous damage

so basically play totally different and put as many poms into cast boon

[proper furnace]

Yeah

Start poseidon keepsake for cast, find artemis, get mirage shot

Is bugged on flares so the 2nd cast created by it doesn't have reduced dmg

The other build is use privileged status on the mirror, start aphro cast, take Demeter's snowburst (or attack) and pom cast

[digital tundra]

i'm in elyseum and don't have a cast yet bruh

[proper furnace]

Did you not see one chamber one or

What keepsake did you even start

[digital tundra]

one chamber one ?

can you only get cast in the first chamber of each level?

i'm not aware of any rng manipulation tech

[proper furnace]

The idea is that you get your cast from the start

[digital tundra]

sorry

yeah just bad luck

[proper furnace]

Do you have rerolls yet

[digital tundra]

yeah

oh wait i took the wrong ones nvm

[proper furnace]

Rip

[digital tundra]

i lost two lives against lernie, this runs going nowhere but thanks anyway

[proper furnace]

But yeah the idea is that you start your cast choice so you can also get the first few poms guaranteed on it

[digital tundra]

finally got zeus cast and it sucks

[proper furnace]

You took one of the bottom 3 casts

(the other 2 are slicing flare and icy flare)

[digital tundra]

maybe i can find demeter lets goo

[digital tundra]

yeah thought as much

[proper furnace]

Icy flare is so sad that mirage shot doesn't even work on it

It deals the normal dmg for whatever reason

[upbeat bluff]

Thanks for the tips

[digital tundra]

i swapped the zeus cast for dionysus' but there's no way i'm escaping

lmao i escaped on zero heat with possibly the worst beowulf build of all time

[digital tundra]

ok with poseidon cast i get it now

[brisk adder]

Playing with shield for first time, got hammer and have ferocious guard, Dashing Wallop and Pulverising blow as options, what do I go for?

[proper furnace]

Which shield

[brisk adder]

Chaos

[proper furnace]

Prob pulv blow and play it as lvl 0 zag shield

Aspect is kinda

[brisk adder]

I'm right at the beginning, should I go switch to zag? Lol

[proper furnace]

That works too lol

[potent tree]

Chaos shield: the most non-aspect aspect ever to aspect

[brisk adder]

Now I have Explosive return, ferocious guard and charged shot hammers with Zag shield, what would be best?

[plain river]

charged shot is shields favourite hammer

Unless it’s zeus shield

[brisk adder]

Awesome, thank you!

Have got dio on this run, what boons are good for a zag shield build?

[plain river]

Since shields strike is a high base damage slow hit

you’re going to want +% boons

Dio would ideally go on call here there isn’t really a good ppace to fit him in anyways, and it would work well with an aphrodite strike zeus (some other core) build

[brisk adder]

Ah I got dio special, strong drink and positive outlook, I should have altered lol. What is best out of those?

[plain river]

Any of those work positive outlook if you’re concerned about damage taken, strong drink is a teen bit more damage and a bit of healing, and dio special isn’t the worst pick in the world

[brisk adder]

Thank you so much for the advice 🙂

[austere geode]

I am trying to escape for the 1st time with the Twin Fists, is there some place I should look to see which keepsakes and boons I should go for? 😅

[plain river]

Right here works👍

Keepsakes are pretty straightforward for all weapons if you want a solid build

Will get to boons in a second

You’ll be better off with god keepsakes in tartarus and asphodel, defensive keepsakes or util (hourglass, purse) for elysium and defense or dad call for styx

The god keepsakes you take depend on your build, and for fists the most effective one would ve ME (Merciful End, the Ares + Athena duo)

[potent tree]

Can also check the second pinned message in this channel for self-serve help if that's more your style

[worn solar]

Prob more consistent to go zeus fists unless mirror is maxed

[long escarp]

If you’re looking for build suggestions, a simple build would be lightning strike + tidal dash + static discharge. Merciful End is the strongest build but if you don’t have rolls/rarity from the mirror then this is easier

[plain river]

That’s an option it just won’t have the Shackle Touch ™️

Real

[fresh dragon]

Despite their low starting point, I like trying to get Sea Storm setup on the fists every now and then

[plain river]

Rolls makes it way easier

[austere geode]

I have most of the mirror maxed minus like 2 of them.

[plain river]

Sea storm fists is certainly an option

And yeah zeus would be more consistent atp

You can throw aphrodite in on special and zeus or dionysus back in on call if you want to complicate it for a bit more potency there

[fresh dragon]

A weird option yes, but fun :>

[long escarp]

For ME, you want to start Ares attack (so you can get Poms on it asap), then look for Athena special (for the duo pre-reqs) and dash (for triggering the duo)

[plain river]

yeah it’s just when someone comes asking for functionality, I’d rather hand functionality back out

[austere geode]

Thank you all 😊

[fresh dragon]

You mentioned this is your first escape period? Or your first with the fists themselves?

[austere geode]

No, not period! Just with the Twin Fists. I've only made it out with the Spear & Bow so far.

[potent tree]

Oh wait. Going back to an earlier point, have you unlocked the back of the mirror?

[fresh dragon]

If you've got the Titan Blood and are willing to part with it, the Aspect of Zagreus on the fists are actually pretty decent compared to other Zagspects

[long escarp]

I don’t really agree

[surreal remnant]

[long escarp]

Plus the effect isn’t interesting imo

[austere geode]

Back of the mirror? I've unlocked all the tiers with keys - or is there something different?

[plain river]

The green side that you flip to with the arrows

on the left

Easy to miss

[long escarp]

Dark Foresight will change your life

[austere geode]

I can flip the arrows - what you are saying differs from that??

[plain river]

Dark foresight fixed 37% of my rng issues, gods pride fixed 87% of them, and complaining in the s.s.g. Discord about rng fixed my 66%

[plain river]

The actual upgrades themselves

[fresh dragon]

Maybe I should complain about my rng more

[austere geode]

Hmmm, I'll have to check after this run lol

[plain river]

you hit the button and shadow presence becomes fiery presence

you hit the button and fated authority 🤮 becomes fated persuasion

I’m not biased about which is better I’m just right

[fresh dragon]

Fated Persuasion changes the game so much it really makes Fate Authority look meager in comparison

Oh boy I can change the door I'm about to enter, or I can get a set of three boons that are going to have an impact on my character...

[long escarp]

Dark Foresight makes you go from 50/50 good rewards vs upgrade materials to 70/30, which is really more like a 40% increase than the 20% that it says

[plain river]

Ohboy I can maybe get the god I wants boons or holy I can guarantee hyper delivery

Hyper delivery goated

[fresh dragon]

You say Guarantee but when I get to Styx Hermes fails to deliver

[potent tree]

It's kinda silly how Hades has boons that are just head and shoulders above others

[fresh dragon]

There have to be bad options for there to be good ones imo

[potent tree]

Gimme sidegrades or gimme death!

[plain river]

Just don’t wait for styx hermes

[fresh dragon]

I don't most of the time, and even when he's rushing to me in Elysium he doesn't deliver the rush ;-;

[long escarp]

Well, some games are more balanced than others

[fresh dragon]

He just sprints the hyper

[plain river]

Bronze skin

[fresh dragon]

Exit Wounds, unless you're playing Aspect of Poseidon

[long escarp]

Peer Pressure

[fresh dragon]

I think we can all agree that Huge Catch is the best boon in the game

Btw am I wrong in thinking Demeter is the weakest Goddess in the game? I feel like most runs she shows up I'm going "Well, I could use a boon to sell" unless I'm getting Rare Crop

[plain river]

Exit wounds. Especially when on poseidon

That boon is a trap

[potent tree]

She has...Snow Burst! And Rare Crop

[plain river]

In terms of the goddesses fs

In the grand scheme of things, she gives high +% on strike and special without knocking away enemies which puts her past Poseidon if you disregard the shenanigannery of tidal dash and tidal flare

[fresh dragon]

Don't forget Stubborn Roots!!

Poseidon makes fish appear more with one of his Legendaries, he's easily the best God

But yeah those Multipliers are probably so low for him because of tidal dash if I had to guess

[plain river]

Wdym

His special multi is 2nd highest

Immediately after aphrodite

[fresh dragon]

Oh right, I was just thinking of the attack mult for some reason

And I don't have all the multipliers memorized yet at under 100 hours play time

[long escarp]

Yeah I agree

I think Demeter is the most situational/weakest god, followed by Dionysus, then Ares is (highly) conditionally great, then the other five are much better

[fresh dragon]

I like Ares but mostly for the Duo Boons he sets up

[long escarp]

Which ones?

[fresh dragon]

Merciful End, Vengeful Mood, Hunting Blades

[long escarp]

ME was what I was referring to with “highly situationally great” lol

[fresh dragon]

That's fair

I did make a meme build of Dire Misfortune Doom on the Chiron Bow one time

Not good at all but it was funny

[long escarp]

But that’s all I really remember wanting to see Ares for, at least for speedruns/hitless/heat. Actually, I don’t mind his special on Rama or battle rage on Hestia

[fresh dragon]

Dionysus feels like an okay god to get for the utility that comes with Strong Drink or Premium Vintage but I agree with him being below Ares

His call is very good though

[long escarp]

Yes I agree

[fresh dragon]

I think what hurts Dio is that Hangover applies the damage of the most recent attack

[long escarp]

I also like Dio special on Rama

And also Dem

[fresh dragon]

Dio Special on Zeus or Chiron feels good to but it's not as good as the alternatives

[long escarp]

Yeah I guess it makes his boons anti-synergistic

Once you have one way to apply hangover, you generally don’t want another

Actually, I’d say you always don’t want another, unless you’re planning to sell one

Which is what makes Peer Pressure such a meme, with such low numbers

[fresh dragon]

Other than Exclusive Access I would also say Dios duos aren't stellar, and even EA is generally okay since it won't apply to your core boons you picked at the start

[long escarp]

My favorite suboptimal build is trippy flare Beo

All of the best Beo bugs in one build

Oh wait speaking of bugs

My doc is probably so outdated now

[plain river]

How does this hurt him?

U just carry one source

It just makes more sense to have one source anyways to maximise pom value

[plain river]

I love my hangover builds they may not be meta but they’re just fine

Smthi g likr this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1036434099537199185/IMG_2451.jpg?ex=664be879&is=664a96f9&hm=f14536ab6270da64d92e9619c65c099f62c5250c3521a20c7f421bc33e63f57c&

Honestly if you’re looking for something to just send you over for your firsts fists clead

Hangover with long knuckle

would be a pretty decent

way to do it

keep at a distance and just load up on hangover poms and prok speed

[clear dock]

not a fan of the spear?

[plain river]

It’s a skill issue

[mint bluff]

Is nemesis objectively the best aspect for the sword? If it is I'm wondering how I should make my build around it since I have trouble dealing good damage

[plain river]

Pretty much

You have 2 meta routes with nemesis: you can lean into the crit, or you can run merciful end

[mint bluff]

Which is ares on attack, athena on special, and then athena on dash too?

[plain river]

Yeah

[mint bluff]

Alright got it

[plain river]

Or you can go aphro strike -> artemis special and lean into crits

[mint bluff]

Do those two have a duo aswell?

[plain river]

Either way you want the double edge hammer and to just be dash striking and specialing

[plain river]

Yeah

Heart rend makes crits a 4.5* against weakened enemies

[plain river]

Dash strike twice then special

Rinse repeat

And hermes (like every other aspect/weapon) you’ll want hyper sprint -> rush delivery for a huge amount of extra additive, or greatest reflex for extra dashes

I’ve just woken up and my heads not all there, I just realised I said “greatest reflexes for extra damage” instead of “greatest reflexes for extra dashes”

[mint bluff]

I got 3 athena boons just to not get her special RAAAAH

[jolly chasm]

Welcome to ME

[plain river]

Although

3 boons no special is a bit surprising

If you picked up dash and cast you should’ve auto hit special

[mint bluff]

Yeah I have a dash

Athena kept offering to replace my ares attack

[jolly chasm]

Can you reroll boons?

[plain river]

Oh

Dang 2 10% chances taking your automatic cores

[mint bluff]

Yeah I did 2 rerolls too

[jolly chasm]

Okay, so it is just Athena being an ass then

[mint bluff]

Athena doesnt want me to have my silly build

I got merciful end right at styx 😭 had athena on a door and ares buyable

Btw what's good for aspect of achilles? I know flurry jab or smth is rlly good on it but boon combos i have no idea

[proper furnace]

Start of cast of choice> look for good duo boon for it

Or for speed you start tidal dash (helps pre flurry/in styx) then choose next keepsake based on what you get, ares cast > arty (or viceversa) Athena cast > zeus attack (or viceversa again)

Then you take your usual stuff from chaos/charon wells and hermes (cast dmg/+1 stone/+dashes or hyper sprint + rush delivery)

Poms on cast and dash mainly

[mint bluff]

Alright ill try that, lemme write this down

[mint bluff]

Can you elaborate on this?

[proper furnace]

Start ares cast, look for hunting blades for example

Other options outside of ares/athena can be dio or demeter

The main difference is that you want to use stygian soul in the mirror

[plain river]

Ares and Athena will work great while dio and dem will work decently

[mint bluff]

So I should get artemises attack or smth

[proper furnace]

Ideally yeah

If not offered and don't wanna burn through much rerolls special/dash both work iirc

[mint bluff]

Interesting, tidal dash sounds fun too lol

[proper furnace]

Tidal helps a lot when the game is stinky and doesn't offer flurry

[mint bluff]

not even poseidon wants to help

He started me off with a fishing boon and nothing else

[proper furnace]

That's an easy achievement if you can sell it at least

But at least you got through the scripted event now

[mint bluff]

Yall got a video on that spear of achilles build youre talking about? I feel like im doing smth wrong

[plain river]

speedrun.com certainly does

[errant narwhal]

im no expert but i just throw the special, rush to it, and then send out my casts

[plain river]

are you remembering to use the special to get the buff? Rememeber it only lasts 4 attacks/casts so if you do too many attacks before casting

[fresh dragon]

It doesn't hurt him if you just have one Hangover source, it just makes his kit unsynergistic with itself if there are multiple sources

[mint bluff]

Yeah I do use the sepcial but it feels like my attacks deal more damage than my cast

and I even got the legendary boon from ares

[plain river]

That boon does next to nothing

It’s bugged to be +1 on dash and cast iirc

Anyways the real damage on hb comes from the actual hunting duo so your blades stay on top of enemies

It takes 20 damage blades to like 50 damage every .2 second blades that stay on their target

[plain river]

And ofc is just more value with extra poms and rarity

[vital night]

@mental thistle let’s move out of the victory channel

Basically Meg will target the closest enemy and then if no enemy, Zagreus. It will land perpendicular to his line of sight

So shooting the witch orients zag in a way that megs perpendicular to his los and hits the witches

There’s no targeting you have to worry about as long as you’re attacking the witch and there are three witches on screen

[latent briar]

When you use Orpheus keepsake (distant damage +30%), do you give bonus hangover damage?

[vital night]

I’m pretty sure it’s a global boost so yeah

[mental thistle]

oohhhh

i did not know that, thank you very much

it should work on mnk as well right?

[vital night]

Yeah I’m on mnk

[mental thistle]

okay

if i redeem my sub 8, im pinging you >:D

unless u dont want me to

[latent briar]

Oh, thats nice, thanks.

[mint bluff]

Mann it doesnt matter what i do i play horribly with achilles

[vital night]

Go for it! Best of luck

[mental thistle]

thank you!

have a nice day

[vital night]

You too

[mint bluff]

I'm finding better damage with athena's cast instead of ares' cast

[plain river]

Yes, as it’s a global additive +% it should effect every damage source aside from companions, maim, and traps. the only issue it’s it’s not worth it to take that keepsake

[mint bluff]

What's the duo that zeus attack + athena cast has?

[pliant raven]

Phalanx bounces

[mint bluff]

Can either give them?

I went to athena but they give me the wrong duo

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[latent briar]

Even with Chiron bow to keep you eternally at a distance?

[mint bluff]

BRUH and now I got sea storm LMAO

[proper furnace]

What other pos core do you even have

Call?

[inner coral]

If you equip idk name hermes plume, in tart and switch to something else afterwards do you keep your dodge?

[proper furnace]

No

Same goes for stuff like cerb's collar or butterfly

[inner coral]

But mom pom upgrades stay… that’s unfair

[plain river]

The range you need is unreasonably far

and even then

It’s just not worth it

[vital night]

You would be better off taking something else

[plain river]

With enemies moving towards you odds sre they’ll be out of the possible ranges before you get much value

And yeah +30% additive isn’t worth the demanding range it requires compared to just using other keepsakes

[inner coral]

Is the keepsake from sisyphus good? Just dont take attack/special/cast boons? Second question, if you take a cast boon does to bonus damage still apply to attack and special

[proper furnace]

Double yes

[latent briar]

I see. The run is already over(victory), but, I supose Meg's keepsake would be best to increase damage, assuming I am being very consistent at keeping myself at a certain health range and just want to beat the run asap to avoid tight deadline?

[proper furnace]

Main use case for shackle is "I need dmg to go through tart quick" or high heat where getting an useful attack is a pain in the ass

The idea is that you find one so you can go defensive keepsakes anyway

[plain river]

If you want damage take Hades keepsake or just take a defensive one so you can play more agressively

The real damage keepsakes are just god keepsakes in tartarus and asphodel to get your build togethee

[latent briar]

I really dont think I couldve played more aggresive than I was, lol. Still didnt lose any death defiance. But ill keep that in mind as I get closer to 32 heat.

[plain river]

When I say defensive keepsakes I mean acorn mainly

And if it’s 32 heat

You aren’t playing any more aggresively because you have it

[vital night]

if you're running SD with LC4, that's the use case for meg's keepsake

[plain river]

LC4 SD goes far

[vital night]

because you're never above 30% health unless you take max health or patty

and it's best if you have multiple sources of damage rather than one single

and even then, there's not a point unless you literally won't clear with your current dps

[plain river]

damage keepsakes are a desperate grab at damage

Even on my gy 32 heat run recently where my damage was pitiful I didn’t even consider taking one

[plain river]

And that damage was pitiful, I ended up timing out like 30s overtime, but it was close, however, I definitely wouldn’t’ve been closer with a dps keepsake

[mint bluff]

Woooo achilles cast build with athena is probably my favorite, beat the game in 16:12 which is a 6 minute improvement from my other spear victory

[long escarp]

Will phalanx shot achilles still feel good at 45 heat

[proper furnace]

Just get quick reload prob

[long escarp]

I’ll try it

Hopefully I can grab a DD for Hades since I’ll definitely be fumbling due to lack of practice

I’ll just run AP0 RI0

Phalanx shot rarity hardly matters right

[proper furnace]

80 to 110 I think?

85-119

[vital night]

it's nice to have but not the most important

[plain river]

Up until your cast goes flying miles off

[brisk adder]

On a zag shield run, have got charged shot for first hammer, what should I take for second? Options are Dashing Flight, Empowering Flight and Pulverising blow

[proper furnace]

Take dashing/empowering doesn't really matter

Pulv makes it harder to get cshots off your standing attack

[brisk adder]

Gotcha, thank you!

[brisk adder]

What's better stubborn defiance or death defiance?

[brisk adder]

And is there a list somewhere of what the optimal mirror selection is?

[hexed maple]

it depends what build you're pining for
and if you're newer to the game, dd, if not, sd

[proper furnace]

#h1-for-new-players pins

Stubborn main use comes at high heat to counter the no healing pact

[brisk adder]

Fairly new, highest heat I've got to is 3 on sword

[brisk adder]

Makes sense

[brisk adder]

Thank you! Will check it out

[plain river]

Yes

[plain river]

It’s like 32 heat +

[brisk adder]

So better to keep DD until that point?

[plain river]

Yeah

SD is only worth over dd if you’re dying every room

[brisk adder]

Gotcha, thank you 🙂

[brisk adder]

Makes sense!

[ashen lichen]

Hi all, just a quick note that I am updating the channel names here & in the Hades II category, you'll start to see those rolling out shortly. There are no other changes beyond the channel names being updated. 👍

[brisk adder]

About to start a nemesis run, how to best ensure I get Artemis special and aphro attack?

[vital night]

Start with one of them and force the other into asphodel

Pray

[brisk adder]

I thought so, thank you!

[plain river]

That’s pretty much how you’ll go about any build tbh

[brisk adder]

Yeah makes sense, wasn't sure if you could unlock anything further on in the game that helps reduce relying on the rng gods

[plain river]

well keepsakes just

Get that done

If you really need it, fated persuasion is always your friend, but those rerolls are better used on hermes

[brisk adder]

What are the good rolls for Hermes?

[plain river]

Hyper sprint -> rush delivery for a massive damage boost to everything, or greatest reflex

Across every weapon and aspect

[vital night]

Some aspects don’t really want greatest reflex if they’re not dash striking multiple times in the same cycle

[plain river]

You can cope with Greater Haste if you don’t find hyper sprint and just pray for styx hermes (50:50)

[brisk adder]

Ah yeah makes sense! Thanks both

[plain river]

Otherwise rolls are also great to keep for chaos

If your weapon is one that would appreciate chaos for it’s main dps source

[brisk adder]

Currently trying to max level stygian, do chaos rolls help that?

[plain river]

Nemesis appreciates attack and dash strike damage

and you can also use your rolls for wells once you have hyper delivery

for more added movespeed since move speed is multiplicative

[brisk adder]

Gotcha! Thank you!

[loud trout]

question about the bow aspect of zagreus
it says it gives 15% critial attack chance
does that apply to all damage you do?
does it extend to boons like dionysus dots or ares doom?

[tight basin]

just your attack damage

so not including ares doom, dio hangover, or zeus lightning

[late wasp]

What's a good build for aspect of Rama

[fresh dragon]

Can't say I've tried Rama myself, but Ares wouldn't be a bad choice for the Attack I think due to the slower nature of the weapon and shared suffering. Athena Special to set up Merciful End would be the way to go afterwards

[worn solar]

Shared suffering only shares damage from your attack itself, doom wont share, rama doesnt really proc merciful end quickly either

[worn solar]

Generally you want aphrodite attack for the big damage and arty dash to make it bigger unless you like ddash a lot. You can put whatever status on your special like zeus/dio/ares. Zeus is nice because you can get a good call like zeus call or dio call then get the aphro/zeus smouldering air duo. Theres also a build website if you look in pins for more ideas on rama and other aspects

[vital night]

You can either start with Zeus special and look for Artemis attack, Artemis dash, jolted, and lightning rod or start Artemis attack and look for Artemis dash and whatever else or start Aphrodite attack and look for Artemis dash

I generally start arty but you have options

Doom is terrible on Rama attack

[plain river]

This is the last possible way you’d want to do this

If any sort of merciful end is to be done on Rama ares should be on special

and athena on strike

You still get a big base damage strike while proccing doom

Although you kinda need impending doom for that to be worth anything

[late wasp]

I also know that the Twin Shot hammer is really good on Rama

[plain river]

Rama builds identically to zag

Twin > Triple, then perfect and point blank follow

[tight basin]

hold on i got this

or rather mike does

A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs

@late wasp^

[plain river]

I second that (Thank Mike

[late wasp]

Thanks for this, I will definitely be keeping this in mind

What is this bot’s issue with me

I have made no comments about the second game

[clear dock]

it's not responding to you. it just reposts periodically to keep the notice at the bottom of the feed

[errant narwhal]

It’s in place because people kept posting about hades 2 in these channels and people here might not want spoilers

[plain river]

It’s doing God’s work fr

[drowsy lark]

yall how in the world do i use aspect of demeter twin fists?

[plain river]

Hit enemies 12 times the hit the special button for gigacutter

It’s not really anything different from regular fists aside from your large burst of base damage every 12 hits

[inner coral]

But i can’t count

[plain river]

There’s a pop up

“Gigacutter ready”

[inner coral]

lol fair, still like zags aspect more

[late wasp]

Guan Yu spinny is so fun

Got Athena attack, Arty special, and Aphro dash and those respective duos and its been crushing things

[proper furnace]

take divine dash

ares attack + ME + dash on most stuff means you can just dash strike to apply and proc doom instantly

[late wasp]

Because of that Aspect of Gilgamesh is easily the best for it thanks to the additional dashes'

For crying out loud, I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT HADES 2!!!!!!!!!!

[proper furnace]

Dem is the best aspect for ME

[potent tree]

Only the strong will survive StickyBot

[proper furnace]

Cuz it has dmg before the duo

[potent tree]

Gilgamesh's dashes are slow to come off of CD 😛

[digital tundra]

blizzard shot has to be the first duo boon where i instantly scoff at how unimpressive it looks

i'm dead 😂

[proper furnace]

Visually speaking just look at freezing vortex instead

Effects wise there's always mettle

[digital tundra]

does forging an intense bond actually do anything to that characters keepsake?

[potent tree]

Yes: the bond rewards you with a cute chibi portrait on the character's keepsake

[digital tundra]

ok so no effect in game? there's an extra flavor text along with the chibi so i was wondering if it meant anything for the effect during runs

blizzard shot makes poseidon cast not explode, absurd

[potent tree]

No gameplay effects

[plain river]

Dem gives you damage prior to finding the duo, and doesn’t shoot your whole dashing mechanic in the foot like gilga

[vital night]

Not to the keepsake but some characters will give companions

Most/only important one is meg

[digital tundra]

I always forget to use it

[fresh dragon]

Good builds for the Aspect of Talos?

[jolly chasm]

ME

[digital tundra]

Anything and spam the uppercut

[fresh dragon]

I might try Curse of Drowning on this lol

[vital night]

it's fine, potential secondary goal if you get flood shot

[fresh dragon]

Epic Phalanx Shot has steered me towards Lightning Phalanx instead

[unique trout]

chiron build plz

[fresh dragon]

Late reply but anything can work on the special except for Doom. Aphro attack is my favorite and you can set up thing like Heart Rend w/ Artemis on Special or Low Tolerance w/ Dionysus. Zeus on Special w/ Double Strike and Jolted is hilarious, Poseidon is strong and you can knock enemies around really easily, Demeter can get most of her Chill stacks on an enemy (Unless you get Concentrated Volley, then you get all of your stacks).

[drowsy lark]

hang over on the special with dionysus, artemis call, ares attack, dionysus cast, support fire, splitting headache duo boon and other duo boons regarding artemis and ares

try pomming dionysus special cuz that melts bosses

[fresh dragon]

Splitting Headache really isn't that good imo

[drowsy lark]

it worked wonders for me

[fresh dragon]

7.5% really isn't a ton, if it were paired with Low Tolerance I think it'd be better since you're looking at 12%

[proper furnace]

Splitting headache doesn't work with hangover on its own

You need pressure points (and at that point just pair with hunter's mark instead)

Aphro atk + hangover special is already a lot nicer

And if you need a 2nd duo, ares's vengeance also opens the hangover duo

[plain river]

If you’re building hangover, it’s easily the least effective duo for it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1204603123021119518/76B1F5E2-612D-432C-B96A-A18B23316A9F.jpg?ex=664f47d4&is=664df654&hm=a1211e54509548d8551505a1ea3910cb71288821267c1e9a6617fa0bb040ec9a&

Those are damage multi’s from each hangover duo

Not noting the fact that you need pressure points for Splitting Headache to even give you value on anything aside from your arte core

[fresh dragon]

Low Tolerance + Curse of Nausea is my preferred pairing if I can pull it off, Low Tol being priority

[plain river]

It’s a solid 2.2* multiplier on your initial hangover dps so it does wonders together

[rigid frost]

hi! if i pick a keepsake like lambent plume or pierced butterfly and change it mid-run. will the effects i gained throughout the encounters carry on with me or will they go away as soon as i switch keepsakes?

[rigid frost]

it's a question regarding hades 1

[proper furnace]

Goes away

Also the bot is automated to try and keep the message as the first thing you see

[rigid frost]

thanks 💜

[clever mason]

Aww! Does the time increase for each higher biome your in?

[proper furnace]

For plume? I think so yeah

Survival rooms in tart are a guaranteed proc for example

[clever mason]

I guess I wish there was like a timer to show how much time I’ve got left to proc it

[proper furnace]

Under the keepsake mid encounter

Is not a numbers timer but you can see a circle

[late wasp]

What's a build that can utilize Bad News and Winter Harvest

need those final two for the all legendaries prophecy

[proper furnace]

Bad news anything works

Is bugged so it's global dmg

Winter harvest Ig do something like chiron + dem special into artic blast?

That way you can run into the requisites quick

[late wasp]

Since Bad News has the prerequisite of Stygian Soul I was thinking a Demeter cast build

[proper furnace]

Could do dio beo too

Or dio achilles, you want ice wine anyways

[late wasp]

does Hunting Blades mix with Freezing Vortex or can you not get both

I am going to slap this bot

[proper furnace]

Can't get both yeah

[late wasp]

darn

[proper furnace]

Same goes for crystal clarity/cold embrace

And curse of drowning/mirage shot

[brisk adder]

Forgot to change my keepsake from acorn to god keepsake before this run and now have Demeter as first boon, for aspect of nemesis, which is better with Demeter, attack, special or cast?

[worn solar]

Ig you can start with attack and grab artemis for meme beams or zeus for cold fusion or both

[brisk adder]

Okay cool, thank you!

How do I get cold fusion with Zeus? Is there anything in particular I need to put him/Demeter on?

[worn solar]

Dem attack + a source of jolted should work

[brisk adder]

Awesome, thank you!

[brisk adder]

Playing Achilles, for first hammer I got vicious skewer, extending jab and quick spin, what should I take?

[vital night]

Extending

[violet obsidian]

I’d probably take extending jab, but just avoid quick spin like the plague

[vital night]

Ideally you want flurry jab

Achilles is button mashing simulator

[brisk adder]

Yeah that's what I was hoping for

[brisk adder]

Yeah quick spin sounds awful

[violet obsidian]

It’s good for something like aspect of hades, but on achilles, any spin hammers prevent you from getting flurry jab

[brisk adder]

Ah didn't know that, thank you!

[fresh dragon]

Aspect of Achilles turns Hades into Cookie Clicker

[soft warren]

Is there any point in investing poms to level pressure point

The difference in % is quite small

[proper furnace]

Nah

Get hunter's mark and pom that instead (if there isn't any other pom target)

[potent tree]

Maybe going from 2% PP to 3% is a solid gain, but returns quickly diminish from there

[soft warren]

What's the best bow aspect

I have 8 titan blood to invest

[jolly chasm]

Hera

[fresh dragon]

My favorite is Rama but Hera is the best

[violet obsidian]

Rama’s my personal favorite, but i kinda like zagreus too

[plain river]

Hera and Rama are both very potent aspects, zagreus is a tad less strong, and chiron is the runt of the litter (while practically requiring lvl 4 or 5 to even be effective)

[long escarp]

Rama is better for high heat

And Ocaml has a 5:26 anyheat unmodded with Rama

So it certainly can compete

[tight basin]

The stars need to allign just right for a good rama speedrun lmao

[jolly chasm]

Croven has a 4:39 modded Hera

[manic rose]

can zeus special work well on the rail?

[proper furnace]

No

He's best in slot for attack tho

Unless you are using hestia/spread fire zag rail

[brisk adder]

Zag bow, what's better? Triple shot or twin shot?

[plain river]

Twin reduces your max range but gives you two shots that fire parallel to midrange, so it’s essntially doubling your base damage, where triple shot needs you to essentially “shotgun” it if you want to get the extra base damage out on one target

I prefer twin since it means I don’t have to be right up in enemies faces to fully benefit from it

Not to say that the extra shots on triple going and hitting other enemies isn’t useful, it’s just a lot easier and more consistent dps (imo) to run twin

[brisk adder]

Yeah I think I prefer it too for that reason, I went twin because I recently cleared it with triple

[gusty geyser]

continuing from #h1-victory-boasting

[vital night]

Aphro has the highest % boost on attack and special

[gusty geyser]

ive mostly seen a lot of people outright say they skip aph boons or reroll when they show up

[vital night]

Lmao

[gusty geyser]

so ig that's why i thought that LMAO

[plain river]

that’s Hades subreddit energy for sure

[vital night]

Yeah that’s bad advice from people who don’t know how to play the game well

[plain river]

Since no self respecting Hades player uses fated authority

[gusty geyser]

😭

[vital night]

I used it once for gilga 32

Needed Poseidon secondaries

[gusty geyser]

i sometimes do when i need a very specific boon in like say temple of styx or smth

[vital night]

That’s kinda late to be getting something you need ngl

[plain river]

Where are you seeing this?

[vital night]

Aphro is neuron activation for me

[gusty geyser]

friends + youtube videos of people playing

[plain river]

[vital night]

Rough

Yeah for hestia heat I start aphro attack and it clears most of tart and aspho with ricochet

[gusty geyser]

agreed for like. duo boons n such, i usually do it for the athena death defiances if im out or smth

[vital night]

Beowulf starts passion flare

[plain river]

It’s so funny how gaming communities can be super split between their (youtube and reddit) and discord opinions

[vital night]

Yeah

[gusty geyser]

wheeze

[plain river]

Where youtube and reddit are typically wrong as Hell

[potent tree]

Hehe YouTubers

[vital night]

Hera starts crush shot

Bows start aphro or arty

[potent tree]

Discord: the home of the true video game nerds

[gusty geyser]

im gonna be fr im not a professional gamer or anything im just here to have fun and fuel my greek mythology hyperfixation

[vital night]

Arthur starts aphro

[plain river]

If it’s high base damage, it takes aphrodite

if it can run dionysus or zeus, it takes aphrodite

if it runs crit, it runs aphrodite

And boom you’ve hit every aspect and weapon in Hades

[vital night]

You probably mean if it can’t run Zeus or dio

But yeah weak is kind of a small bonus

[plain river]

Nope

[vital night]

🤔

[plain river]

Low tolerance or smouldering air

[vital night]

Oh yeah huh

[plain river]

and that covers every fast low base damage weapon