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#h1-builds-and-combat
proper furnace
fossil plaza
heroic divine strike or epic deadly strike?
just about to fight hades but maybe 2.2x guaranteed dmg is better than 15% chance for 3x?
proper furnace
What weapon
fossil plaza
plus the deflect could be useful
proper furnace
And do you have any chaos/global buff
fossil plaza
aight
wooden jungle
uncut minnow
How good is Hestia gun?
I have played it only once and it felt underwhelming at crowd control compared to Eris.
vagrant crane
top aspect
jolly chasm
Hestia is Bestia
tight basin
your crowd control is mostly gonna come by your special
and tidal dash if you have that
jolly chasm
^
tight basin
but turns out, one shotting stuff with a base 150 attack is really good
vital night
How good is Hestia gun?
I have played it only once and it felt underwhelming at ...
Ricochet really helps with cc
If it’s just skulls or pests you can hold down attack to clear them too
uncut minnow
Ok I tried another run with Hestia
It absolutely shreds bosses but I was struggling against Elysium enemies.
Picked poseidon like 7 times but he refused to give me his goddamn dash even with rerolls.
Also the asphodel bomb enemies keep jumping away while I'm trying to shoot them😭
Though I noticed I got hit much less often with this aspect because I was attacking less frequently.
errant narwhal
sometimes the rng in this game just does not like you :(
proper furnace
Did you fill special/cast
errant narwhal
just tried playing with some aspects i never actually used, like nemesis sword and zeus shield. shield was actually the first time in a good while that i got new dialogue (from both zeus and chaos)
ping ping
uncut minnow
Did you fill special/cast
Yeah but I purged the cast later because of underworld customs.
fallen totem
After being a bow hater for the longest time, I have been converted by Hera with trippy shot. When I got it, I didn't think it would work, but the casts stack and one bow shot would do crazy damage.
timber mortar
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think trippy shot is glitched and will have 2x the increase in damage that poms claim when you Pom it
empty ice
That is correct
The downside being that trippy shot stays on the ground before the cast pops back out
Which prompts many players to take stygian soul instead of infernal soul
But then you only have one cast and +1 cast boons from chaos become basically a necessity
winged charm
sometimes the rng in this game just does not like you :(
Lemme explain why
If in your brain you want a specific boon
There’s a high chance you won’t get it or won’t get the rarity you want
Usually
Bc the game can smell your desire
Read ur mind
AND THATS WHY EVERY TIME I REROLL POSEIDON FOR DASH OR AID HE KEEPS SHOVING RARE TIDAL CAST DOWN MY THROAT
sour ingot
Murphy's law
winged charm
Yo guys
tight basin
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think trippy shot is glitched and will have 2x the...
@empty ice that's only on beowulf
beowulf and hera get trippy flare, which means they both benefit from the mirage shot bug
only beowulf gets the pom bug on trippy flare
empty ice
ah I could've sworn it was the other way around. that hera and beo had trippy pom bug and only beo had mirage bug
tight basin
all flares have mirage bug
it's just easier to say "beo" instead of "flares" because that's where it's most relevant
and then the pom bug well
beo just has infinite bugs
exotic elk
concentrated knuckle, rush kick, or flying cutter for a merciful end build?
using aspect of demeter
vital night
cutter prob
turbid needle
I don’t know if I should get swift flourish, greater haste, or swift strike
tight basin
all three kinda suck but greater haste is probably the least bad lmao
swift flourish has a niche for rail special, swift strike has a niche for flurry jab spear and charged shot shield
pallid warren
does splitting headache make it so any attack can crit on an enemy with hangover or does it only increase the chance of attacks that can already crit
tight basin
any attack
pallid warren
that’s busted damn
worn solar
Hunters mark also exists
proper furnace
any attack
you actually need PP for it to work on everything
is only things with crit already
worn solar
wait wut
proper furnace
I learned that when I asked if it worked to make Than crit lmao
due to the wording being more about enemies
proud elm
which build is good for the demeter aspect for the fists?
what god?
i find zeus to be good
but is there a better one?
vital night
zeus on attack works, but your damage falls off unless you get static discharge
vital night
but zeus attack/spec + static discharge is enough for a win in itself
vital night
zeus on attack, % on special, and divine dash
proud elm
my peak is elsyium as of right now
vital night
same build works on zag fist, demeter, and talos
proud elm
same build works on zag fist, demeter, and talos
ok
vital night
ye np
ornate sable
turbid needle
all three kinda suck but greater haste is probably the least bad lmao
Thank you
uneven jacinth
Got the hermes epic dash along with poseidon epic dash on enkidu
minor hare
Gilgamesh epic dash run
Sounds fun
empty ice
Dash only
turbid needle
does anyone here stream hades?
uneven jacinth
Yeah wow the guan yu
candid belfry
had a dream that there was a hammer that made you start out each encounter with 100% god gauge and let you double tap the button to activate only 1 bar even when full
whatd you think
tropic forge
kinda broken
candid belfry
would be insanely fun for styx atleast but idk about boss fights or high heat runs with alot of enemies
does jury summons increase the amount of waves or time it takes to clear thanatos for example
analog mauve
What do you mean time it takes to clear
vital night
i guess enemy #
icy nacelle
guys i need a bit of help
I'm trying to explain how the god pool system works to my newbie friend
but i realized that i don't know all the details
how does it work exactly?
proper furnace
Pick a boon from a god and they get added
Once you take 4 gods the rest won't appear
analog mauve
once you have 4 its full
proper furnace
Selling all boons won't remove a god from your pool
Hermes/chaos work differently and don't count towards your pool
God keepsakes can be used to force another god into the pool
icy nacelle
God keepsakes can be used to force another god into the pool
even if you take them before you fill up your god pool?
tight basin
i mean taking the keepsakes will just let you fill up your god pool
if you already have ares and athena then decide to force artemis afterwards with a keepsake, artemis technically isn't in your pool yet
but the idea is to add her to the pool
icy nacelle
if you already have ares and athena then decide to force artemis afterwards with...
i mean like, will forcing an artemis 3rd grant you the ability to randomly get 5th god?
vagrant crane
no
worn solar
i mean like, will forcing an artemis 3rd grant you the ability to randomly get 5...
No, you can only force a 5th after filling your pool, taking it before will be filling the 4 god pool
winged charm
After pomming up Aphrodite aids like crazy
I can really see the potential in the call
Like straight up Asterius was on my team through the whole boss fight
Funniest aid
minor hare
her legendary also makes enemies with Weak become Charmed
proper furnace
Yeah but can't be pommed so no use in bosses really
Also is random so also annoying
minor hare
yea, that's the downside
winged charm
her legendary also makes enemies with Weak become Charmed
It’s kinda lame 😔
It doesn’t really work against bosses and 15% is really random
proper furnace
Tidal
analog mauve
What's that
proper furnace
Poseidon's
analog mauve
Haven't heard of it
errant narwhal
Woah I did not recognize you
proper furnace
icy nacelle
What other dash would you want on hestia
athena, pos, zeus, aphro
analog mauve
💀
icy nacelle
anything that lets you clear that pesky rat room in styx unscathed
winged charm
Okay new cast build
analog mauve
Literally 1 hp
icy nacelle
they come too fast and from all angles
icy nacelle
Crush shot with flurry cast with mirage cast
why aphro call
winged charm
Crush shot with flurry cast with mirage cast
And since you have to have Posedion in this build you have a high chance of getting sweet nectar
analog mauve
they come too fast and from all angles
Just hold attack
icy nacelle
put that on beowulf and you should be good to go
wair
can beowulf get mirage shot?
i know hera can
jolly chasm
The entire build on Beo is mirage shot
icy nacelle
checks out
proper furnace
Mirage is bugged to your favor on beo
jolly chasm
It gives double damage instead of 1.3
icy nacelle
checks the heck out
tight basin
they come too fast and from all angles
shouldn't auto aim take care of the aiming problem
winged charm
Mirage is bugged to your favor on beo
Is Beowulf like Hera?
potent tree
Buggy in a good way, mind!
winged charm
Beo is hera but buggy
How do u unlock aspect
proper furnace
How do u unlock aspect
#h1-story-discussion pinned messages
trail bloom
anyone know a good lucifer build im struggling out here
plain river
anyone know a good lucifer build im struggling out here
Ignore the fact that the attack deals ramping damage, throw lighting strike on it like regular rails. Spec your damage hard into special +%, grab triple bomb if you see it as a hammer (lucifer has very few hammers so it’s insanely likely for you to see it). Otherwise just hit more zeus (static discharge, etc).
For the +% on special I would advise aphrodite since she has the largest +% bonus, her weaken effect is strong, and she synergises with zeus for smouldering air (take zeus call or dionysus call for dps and then look to get this boon)
For actual gameplay, you want to be shooting bombs and exploding them constantly
Any damage dealt to the bombs explodes them, so lightning strike has even more added benefit, alongside something like tidal dash as your dash for immediately on demand damage to trigger bombs
hope that helps, ik I’m a little late
uncut minnow
anyone know a good lucifer build im struggling out here
For future reference, you can check the pinned for aspect specific builds
sage veldt
is there a good build or weapon to use to get thanatos' keepsake achievement? Ive been trying to get his to the 30% and even with most of athena's boons I still was taking too much damage to get even close to that ;; (granted i was using the fists so the close range was probably part of the issue)
minor hare
Hestia
Granted, it's important to be good at use the weapon
And know how to evade attacks
But Hestia is a good one to use
proper furnace
Hestia/GY work yeah
sage veldt
im garbo with the rail but ill try to get better at it !! thank you
minor hare
Well, like they said, Guan Yu is another good option
proper furnace
Hestia+ fiery presence+ high confidence lets you one shot basically all of tart
sage veldt
ill try guan yu as well! thank you :D
proper furnace
Hestia+ fiery presence+ high confidence lets you one shot basically all of tart
So you can get like 18~20% just here (assuming you get forced skips)
If you wanna do GY you want charged skewer
This is what I got yesterday
And was w/o attack for the most part of the run
proper furnace
Hermes is the most consistent you can probably get for more dmg as he shows up a lot
Ideally you find arty/aphro for atk but dem/athena also work with some rarity
Battle rage also really good
It might be worth it to run abbysal blood instead to have enemies reduced to a crawl
sage veldt
I think the highest ive gotten on the butterfly is maybe like 20-22 and thats w 3 stars maybe i just need to grind more 😭
thank you for the advice ill try to get some of these ive been aiming for athena but i had a run w her on like half my stuff and idk if maybe i was just super unlucky but zag was Not deflecting anything
maybe athena just makes me play recklessly
proper furnace
Also the benefit of hestia is that you get like a dozen good hammers
Ricochet/piercing/Rocket/cluster/hazard
Explosive kinda alright
sage veldt
thank you for all the advice 💖
proper furnace
Oh yeah kinda obvious but avoid shops/npc rooms/chaos if possible
Wanna get all possible combats
sage veldt
ill make sure to avoid them!! the fountain rooms r usually where i miss out on stuff too esp if its in tartarus bc i usually dont need it and then it just wasted a room (besides the reward)
minor hare
With enough luck you won't run into fountains
proper furnace
Get into speedruns so desire sensor deletes all fountains 🧠
sage veldt
lol
proper furnace
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1236554047826427904/...
Also actually
Took chaos here in aspho cuz "one skip won't hurt"
Next door is eury and then fountain
Chaos/eury paid off anyways but that was hilarious
winged charm
@proper furnace
THANK YOU
IT REALLY WAS THE DASH ATTACK THAT WAS KILLING MY RUN AGAINST DAD
icy nacelle
Hestia+ fiery presence+ high confidence lets you one shot basically all of tart
with high confidence (and a proper non-chaos attack boon) you can even one shot more than half of Asphodel
icy nacelle
does lucifer's dps ramp up the more you hold down the attack button?
icy nacelle
bruh lucifer is bad
potent tree
Just get Triple Bomb on Lucifer ezpz
vital night
get trible bomb
potent tree
Trouble Bomb
icy nacelle
can you get cluster bomb on lucifer?
proper furnace
Nah
potent tree
Nyaaa (no)
worn solar
Nope
icy nacelle
zeus better
zeus?
like zeus shield?
i mean duh, obviously zeus shield is better but like it also feels like comparing apples to oranges
proper furnace
Zeus atk instead of using the ramp up
sacred idol
Did Merciful End work with Divine Dash before, or no?
dapper harness
Did Merciful End work with Divine Dash before, or no?
wdym?
it procs ME now and in the past
it used to be one of the possible requirements for ME but they nerfed it , so you can only get ME with ares-athena attack and special core boons
sacred idol
it used to be one of the possible requirements for ME but they nerfed it , so yo...
That's specifically what I was asking about.
So you can proc it with the dash, but you can't get it with the dash?
drowsy lark
hello! I need some help im tryna beat hades for the first time in 3 years and im unsure what boons to use for aspect of achilles
drowsy lark
im a mobile player 
lucid oar
If you have the aspect levelled up quite a bit you can choose a cast and build around that
Just make sure to pom it lots and find cast buffs
winged charm
Wavepounding plus tide cast?
plain river
does lucifer's dps ramp up the more you hold down the attack button?
Yeah but you just ignore it and take zeus
The ramp up isn’t enough nor fast emough for +% to put in enough work
And zeus gives the chain lightning that can burst your bombs sooner
And luci ideally explodes bombs as soon as they hit the ground
icy nacelle
hello! I need some help im tryna beat hades for the first time in 3 years and im...
crystal beam, deadly flourish, crystal clarity, glacial glare (optional), flurry cast (optional), ravenous will (optional), snow burst (optional)
plain river
hello! I need some help im tryna beat hades for the first time in 3 years and im...
Artemis strike + ares cast + their duo, or zeus strike + athena cast + their duo. Pos works really well on dash as added aoe and dps, and for hunting blades (artemis + ares) unlocks a useful duo.
Hermes look for hyper sprint -> rush delivery for more bonus damage, or greatest reflex for more dashes
icy nacelle
Artemis strike + ares cast + their duo, or zeus strike + athena cast + their duo...
why arty ares duo over arty dem duo
dem is more consistent, no?
plain river
Look for flurry jab first as hammers, otherwise just whatever generically boosts your attacks (no spin hammers those lock you put of flurry jab)
plain river
dem is more consistent, no?
A) I wouldn’t recommend meme beams to anyone.
B) I would recommend deadly striek > deadly flourish
vagrant crane
for meme beam you need arty atk meme beam and glacial glare and you need a lot of poms
icy nacelle
"meme beam" requires nothing besides the duo
plain river
Achilles uses the crit chance so much better on strike than
vagrant crane
and also more stones
icy nacelle
glacial glare is optional and overrated
vagrant crane
with just the duo it sucks even more
plain river
"meme beam" requires nothing besides the duo
Hunting blades requires nothing but the duo.
same amount of total boons for less potency
icy nacelle
ok but how is it less potency?
plain river
because meme beams is less damage and less consistent because you rely on the bleh tracki mg
The artemis duo makes beams usable
icy nacelle
bleh tracking
icy nacelle
ok let's just agree to disagree
plain river
either way saying hunting blades is less consistent just isn’t true
icy nacelle
cc requires less brain 🧠
vagrant crane
slicing shot lvl1 common: 20 damage every 0.2 sec
meme beam lvl1 common: 8 damage every 0.2 sec
plain river
cc requires less brain 🧠
?
vagrant crane
meme beam: 0 aoe
plain river
Hunting blades tracks enemies too I don’t see how it’s much different
vagrant crane
slicing shot: infinite pierce and pretty large area
meme beam pom scaling: literally 1 damage per pom
slicing shot: more than that
plain river
Hunting blades tracks enemies too I don’t see how it’s much different
Blades is way way faster so the tracking works way better
latent briar
What are the base odds for legendary/duo boons?
vagrant crane
12%
proper furnace
Yeah is a flat +10%
drowsy lark
Artemis strike + ares cast + their duo, or zeus strike + athena cast + their duo...
ill prob do artemis strike + ares cast should i do athena dash and well and what should i do for special
worn solar
Flat yeah
molten sable
oh that’s really really good
worn solar
The leg/duo chances are also per slot not overall on a boon pickup
proper furnace
The leg/duo chances are also per slot not overall on a boon pickup
Unless you are named chaos
molten sable
how do the minibosses affect the odds? or guaranteed rare styx boons?
proper furnace
Unless you are named chaos
(their legendary doesn't benefit from legendary buffs either)
proper furnace
how do the minibosses affect the odds? or guaranteed rare styx boons?
Decreased chance actually
10% on minis
worn solar
Reduces the chance to 10%
molten sable
oh weird
proper furnace
Mini in tart guarantees rare/increased epic
Minis beyond have pretty close to guaranteed rare
drowsy lark
kinda wanna try a dodge build with aspect of zag twin fists
molten sable
good to know for prioritising styx shop
plain river
Special isn’t a hugr concern
molten sable
last question how do the +rare odds affect it
proper furnace
Yeah is a flat +10%
(this is why god's pride is so good for hermes)
plain river
ill prob do artemis strike + ares cast should i do athena dash and well and what...
Anyone who won’y mess up your duo odds
proper furnace
Going from 3% to 23% is nice
plain river
Special isn’t going to be really any notable amount of your dps so as long as it doesn’t open up a new duo that’ll get in the way of you fi ding hunting blades
if you have hunting blades already put athena on special for deadly reversal
low gorge
10% on minis
oh damn i thought it was good to save rerolls for a miniboss to get the duo/legendary
plain river
crit on blades
drowsy lark
Special isn’t going to be really any notable amount of your dps so as long as it...
im unsure who wouldnt mess it up cuz poseidon, aphrodite, Demeter, dionysus, and so on can mess up the build
tight basin
oh damn i thought it was good to save rerolls for a miniboss to get the duo/lege...
i mean it's a 2% chance you're missing lmao
low gorge
i mean it's a 2% chance you're missing lmao
yea but i thought it was the opposite and i was gaining something lol
tight basin
tbh you should still do it anyways bc there's no guarantee of seeing them again after that
so it's still worth rerolling for the duo
tight basin
im unsure who wouldnt mess it up cuz poseidon, aphrodite, Demeter, dionysus, and...
then dont take one lmao
proper furnace
If its aspho you are prob having the mini as your god keepsake
drowsy lark
what if i just got like an artemis or ares special
proper furnace
So you'll get the +10% from that anyways
low gorge
If its aspho you are prob having the mini as your god keepsake
oh true
proper furnace
last question how do the +rare odds affect it
Doesn't affect for legendary/epic as those are rolled for first
Non tart mini + any rare buffs makes it so you get guaranteed rare
drowsy lark
also do i have to beat the game to get summon companions? Im at 6 hearts for thanatos and he hasnt popped up so i can get his companion with an ambrosia i have
proper furnace
Dialogue rng
plain river
im unsure who wouldnt mess it up cuz poseidon, aphrodite, Demeter, dionysus, and...
Then don’t take anyone till after you get the duo
Or just settle with athena
Or poseidon
Both will be most helpful duos to interfere with hunting blades odds
drowsy lark
Then don’t take anyone till after you get the duo
cool thank you so much!
plain river
settling with athena or pos wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world since having an open core will reduce your odds at finding duos anyways
molten sable
does it?
drowsy lark
also what's the name for artemis ares duo boon?
plain river
cool thank you so much!
Oh and artemis or ares on special also won’t muck up your odds I didn’t even think about it
plain river
also what's the name for artemis ares duo boon?
Hunting blades
molten sable
ohh
plain river
so it reduces the boons that can roll into duos from 3 options to 2
molten sable
yeag
im doin some math rn
after 1 reroll with legacy and all core boons filled you have a 77.5% chance of a legendary
plain river
after 1 reroll with legacy and all core boons filled you have a 77.5% chance of ...
Generally speaking thou
You’rebetter off just running pride
Most of the time legacy is used for duos rather than legendaries since legendaries are typically less potent, and even in those cases bonus rarity is typically more potent than an odds increase
molten sable
yeah
drowsy lark
should i level up hunting blades as much as possible?
rn i have artemis atk at lvl 4 so im thinkin i should now focus on hunting blades cast levels
plain river
rn i have artemis atk at lvl 4 so im thinkin i should now focus on hunting blade...
Leveling artemis attack is usually never the answer tbh
I’m missing my terminolgy atm but most boons scale less than linearly with poms
and artemis pom potency sucks to begin with
vital night
I’m missing my terminolgy atm but most boons scale less than linearly with poms
Diminishing returns
icy nacelle
I just realized that you can viably run with a Cast build on Eris
tight basin
technically yes bc of the 75% global boost lmao
plain river
I just realized that you can viably run with a Cast build on Eris
Eris is the rail castpect
vital night
nah, ice wine hestia
acoustic nova
ah apologies
analog mauve
😭
prisma pebble
oops
fossil plaza
anyone managed to find boons to make the torches not utter trash?
plain river
anyone managed to find boons to make the torches not utter trash?
...
wrong
wrong builds
fossil plaza
whoops lol
plain river
idk what ssg does to make this not happen
potent tree
Donate to American education, especially literacy groups. You know we gamers aren't literate
Maybe if they declare that everything the light touches is Hades 2 and, when asked, say that the shadows belong to young jazz
WHERE DASH POMS, they'll hear echoing out as they approach the borders
tight basin
where dash poms
tender geode
I’m bored af can someone give me a unique build idea?
icy nacelle
I’m bored af can someone give me a unique build idea?
crystal clarity + support fire on Aspect of Eris
tender geode
crystal clarity + support fire on Aspect of Eris
It’s just like hunting blades
icy nacelle
it's far better than hunting blades 😭
tender geode
Really?
icy nacelle
yes
tender geode
I think I’ll try again but with achillies
icy nacelle
plus you don't need support fire on achilles
tight basin
it's far better than hunting blades 😭
crystal clarity is leagues behind hunting blades
icy nacelle
dunno why everyone keeps insisting on that
tight basin
needs less things to get going and does more damage with aoe?
vital night
crystal clarity + support fire on Aspect of Eris
support fire does not proc every time dem cast hits
icy nacelle
support fire does not proc every time dem cast hits
i know
but eris also has an attack button
icy nacelle
legit because it's crystal clarity
vital night
it's not that good though
icy nacelle
imo it's the best duo in the game
icy nacelle
its range is insane, its damage is solid, it can kill enemies across the room while you kill enemies on the other side of the room
plus it almost never misses
vital night
all of that applies to hunting blades which also does aoe
icy nacelle
hunting blades can (very ironically) miss
vital night
well how far are you from an enemy lol
icy nacelle
and doesn't travel nearly as far as crystal clarity
vital night
but it does aoe
icy nacelle
crystal clarity deletes enemies so fast that it doesn't need to be aoe
you beam something down bzzt you beam the other thing down bzzt you beam another thing down
vital night
if you show me a video of crystal clarity completing any feat in the game, I can hop into a run and do it faster with mirage shot beowulf
icy nacelle
but range
vital night
beo has more than enough range for the game
The duos I see as superior to crystal clarity are all of them except for curse of longing, parting shot, cold embrace, sweet nectar, splitting headache, stubborn roots, calc risk, unshakeable mettle, and blizzard shot
Mobility comes fairly easy in this game with hermes boons so i don't buy that crystal clarity is that useful
vital night
imo it's the best duo in the game
I’m not denying that crystal clarity has been useful to you, but dps wise, it’s just on the lower end of duos
icy nacelle
i'm not denying the mediocre dps
it's the safety that i love
honestly, maybe because i build for safety so much that i cannot consistenly clear td3, but can clear js3 td2
warped hemlock
Hmm, so I don't know if this is intended, I can only assume not, but something I just found out is that you can hit Asterius in the 1 on 1 chamber after the battle ends with an attack. He's shielded but loses it when he begins walking towards the exit, I was using the bow and charged an attack and released it and it hit him as he was leaving, does that damage he takes from that get saved at all? And is it possible to actually kill him in that moment if you do enough damage? Has anyone tested that? I'm no good at consistently doing things like that but when I saw that I had to mention it.
vagrant crane
if you kill him it doesn’t matter
analog mauve
Pretty sure u lose control of zag when u beat him so I don't see how u attacked him
vagrant crane
you can kill him with dot
analog mauve
They mentioned bow atack
vagrant crane
yeah idk what they r waffling about
warped hemlock
I didn't lose complete control I let go for a moment and then pressed the attack button again, not intentionally or anything. And because I lost control Zag shot the arrow and it hit him and did damage.
vagrant crane
even if so it doesn’t affect anything
warped hemlock
I figured, but it was interesting to me lol.
fringe summit
analog mauve
yes
plain river
crystal clarity deletes enemies so fast that it doesn't need to be aoe
🤨
it’s dps numbers are fsr worse than other casts
While being single target
plain river
Hmm, so I don't know if this is intended, I can only assume not, but something I...
You can kill him post battle with high enough damage over time (like hangover) and he still shows up with 75% hp for heroes fight
kind thicket
analog mauve
merciful end
icy nacelle
surreal venture
the stars aligned to grant me this build
i will never get a more synergistic combination of boons in my entire life
vital night
it's the safety that i love
Dead stuff can’t hurt you 🤷
tight basin
its range is insane, its damage is solid, it can kill enemies across the room wh...
the damage isn't really that solid, it's one of the lowest possible. hera with crush shot has the same/similar range, has way more burst damage, and has aoe
hunting blades yeah you gotta get a bit close to them to deal damage but it's not like you can't run away afterwards if you want
spark bluff
Is the goal for each build to aim for a duo boon or merciful end?
For example with hera bow i try to get mirage shot?
tight basin
Generally more or less but some aspects don't need duos
Hera, eris, and hestia don't need them
spark bluff
So what else am i aiming for than?
molten sable
poms, chaos, support boons
silent pasture
What would you say about aphro dash?
vital night
How do you unlock the ||weapon aspects||??
Unlock all weapons
drifting orchid
Oh this was for the wrong game, my apologies, I was thinkin' for Hades II
vital night
And get titan blood
silent pasture
Oh this was for the wrong game, my apologies, I was thinkin' for Hades II
Hades 2 doesn't have aspects yet, they're coming in the next major update
vital night
yes it does...
plain hollow
Okay, I originally thought Sisyphus's keepsake was pretty bad before...
After trying it, I realize I am an idiot. It makes Tartarus a breeze.
Only real weakness is that it doesn't scale well into Asphodel and beyond.
tight basin
What would you say about aphro dash?
it's kinda just eh
no reason to pick it up unless you're doing something weird with heart rend and can't get aphrodite on something useful lmao
it's okayish aoe and damage but no reason to actively look for it
wind summit
which boons do you guys like?
crude python
turbid needle
hestia and apollo are my fav by far
tight basin
which boons do you guys like?
very aspect dependent
the only ones that are good universally are like divine dash, tidal dash, and dio/zeus/athena calls
plain hollow
which boons do you guys like?
Depends, but I will never complain about getting Breaking Wave because it's super fun
near pumice
I upgraded the aspect of zagreus for the aegis shield and now I can't find the dread flight upgrade anywhere.
tight basin
dread flight isn't good anyways lmao
pseudo mist
best build for a beginner?
icy nacelle
is there a limit for how many duos you can get?
@tight basin's 32 heat guide keeps mentioning "clogging up your duos" so that's why i'm asking
tight basin
there's no limit but like
analog mauve
If you open other duos you might get them instead of the one you want
tight basin
you can only realistically get so many in one run
analog mauve
It's that simple
tight basin
like you can have 4 open
but realistically speaking, would you get all 4 lmao
and it'd make it a lot harder to get the duo you want/need
icy nacelle
and it'd make it a lot harder to get the duo you want/need
yeah that's what i initially understood too,
but yesterday I had a very unlucky "lightning phalanx" achilles run,
because despite using all 7 of my reroll gems on zeus or athena, i never got lightning phalanx, and i had like 10+ zeus+athena boons in total.
I grabbed a very early deadly reversal in that run, so I was wondering if I had misunderstood your guide
tight basin
if you already took the other duo early in the run then that's fine
but yeah sometimes that just happens lmao
nothing you can do about it other than cry
icy nacelle
(thankfully a fully loaded in asphodel really saved me)
still, losing two DDs to the heroes really humbles a person 😭
i was breezing through 32 heat runs, and now here i was almost losing a 20 heat run
overconfidence moment
spark bluff
what is so special about 32 heat? I always see that number.
I finished the game for the first time yesterday so heat is complete new for me.
icy nacelle
what is so special about 32 heat? I always see that number.
it's the highest heat the game rewards you for clearing
icy nacelle
ahh okay thanks mate
note: the reward for 32 heat is purely cosmetic
spark bluff
hahah good to know ty
tight basin
what are support boons?
anything that isn't a core (atk, special, cast, dash, or call)
spark bluff
thanks
Is there a mirror guide somewhere?
found it
are you guys playing gods legacy or pride? 🙂
analog mauve
None
analog mauve
Not all builds need duos
spark bluff
just stack zeus?
analog mauve
Yes
analog mauve
Not all builds need duos
Of course general purpose duos like smoldering air help all builds but there's nothing specific to zeus
analog mauve
i always tried to focus on duo
Check pins
icy nacelle
are you guys playing gods legacy or pride? 🙂
the rule of thumb is gods' pride
as you get more experienced, you'll be more well versed for which situations to take gods' legacy
i'd say gods' pride is better for like 60-65% of setups
icy nacelle
it's more like 97% lmao
eh, maybe i use too much crystal clarity 😛
tight basin
probably
icy nacelle
in any case, most of the time not getting the duo you want is not the end of your run
icy nacelle
legacy is only practical for beo and crystal clarity
also i was gonna say merciful end but holy hell common ares attack sucks so bad 
tight basin
yeah lmao
unless you're willing to reset at the start for rare/epic doom on legacy then yeah legacy is technically better
for getting the duo at least
epic hermes goes kinda hard on ME
spark bluff
thank you guys
leaden gust
OMG LEGENDARY BOONS ARE REAL
umbral jolt
hey guys what are your thoughts on vampiric cataclysm?
icy nacelle
is stubborn roots an exception to lc4?
floral breach
yes
drowsy lark
If i am doin an aslect of zag twin fist dodge build with hermes plume what boons should i get?
rn i have dionysus atk but idk if i should change it
possibly considering ares atk with impending doom, rolling knuckle, second wind, and greater evasion with athena dash, special, and cast
hopefully to get ME
icy nacelle
possibly considering ares atk with impending doom, rolling knuckle, second wind,...
you don't need athena cast
but other than that, yeah, you're spot on
drowsy lark
you don't need athena cast
what should i have as a cast ares cast?
jolly chasm
Plume Zag fists want Zeus on attack, then Tdash and jolted
wind summit
hestia and apollo are my fav by far
hestia is very fun I love the scortch on the cast
wind summit
if you mean in hades 2, then go to <#1050474173450965062>
oh youre right I thought I was on it, my bad
icy nacelle
what should i have as a cast ares cast?
most casts (including athena cast, but you don't need it) are fine for a build that doesn't focus on casts
the most important thing for your cast in a non-cast build is to be able to proc boiling blood, so don't pick casts that don't stick on targets like ares cast or demeter cast or dionysus cast
icy nacelle
what should i have as a cast ares cast?
Here's a cast boons tier list FOR NON-CAST BUILDS ONLY: https://imgur.com/jLSWeqv
(For actually cast-focused builds this tier list changes drastically)
drowsy lark
Here's a cast boons tier list FOR NON-CAST BUILDS ONLY: https://imgur.com/jLSWeq...
so i should do artemis cast?
icy nacelle
yes, but don't go out of your way to get it
plain river
Here's a cast boons tier list FOR NON-CAST BUILDS ONLY: https://imgur.com/jLSWeq...
Eh
It
Really depends on your build tbh
Because you want to take casts that won’t interfere with your duo odds
or will open useful duos for you
icy nacelle
tbh the latter is almost never true
plain river
becauss the actual function of the cast matters a whole lot less on non-castpects
icy nacelle
Because you want to take casts that won’t interfere with your duo odds
but yeah this makes sense
plain river
tbh the latter is almost never true
Eh you get the rare deadly reversal open off trueshot or the smair open
Aside from that there aren’t tooo many duos but
It really is more for the former reason
Avoiding unshakeable mettle or stubborn roots while looking for merciful end etc
winged charm
168 epic curse of pain or Druken flourish lvl 3 (11 every 0.5 second)
I also got exclusive accces but I’m already in Styx lmao
winged charm
168 epic curse of pain or Druken flourish lvl 3 (11 every 0.5 second)
Don’t know if I should trade it
plain river
What’s your special
winged charm
I also don’t have anything like impending doom
plain river
I meam what aspect/ weapon is this
winged charm
Nothing that boosts doom
winged charm
What’s your special
Achilles rage rush
plain river
I also don’t have anything like impending doom
Yeah but doom hits for 168 after a second and a full stack from dio would be 88 damage
Although if you hit someone with your special you are doing 2 stacks
winged charm
That’s constant tho
winged charm
Although if you hit someone with your special you are doing 2 stacks
Yeah
Which would work best against dad?
plain river
But it’s a full 4 seconds for 178 damage compared to 1
winged charm
Yeah that’s true
plain river
You shouldn’t be specialling that often anywyas
winged charm
I don’t just for the rage rush for cast
plain river
your attack and cast are a ton more dps
winged charm
Ya ya
winged charm
I don’t just for the rage rush for cast
But it’s always nice for decent attack or if i take a maimed chaos boon
Not really main dmg dealer cause base special is weak
winged charm
So I’ll just stay with doom got it
winged charm
So you aren’t specialling often enough to have multiple stacks on enemies
Thanks this actually makes more sense
winged charm
So I’ll just stay with doom got it
Lmao why did I get exclusive access so late 😭😭😭
The only other one is after party
It’s only 40% idk
Eh I’ll take it in case I can sell it bc the last book I can get it is Poseidon
😭😭😭
I used skelly keepsake early on accident ☠️☠️☠️
Ik I should’ve used Meg earring
Oh well time to abuse dad
winged charm
I used skelly keepsake early on accident ☠️☠️☠️
I was healing with SD with Touch of Styx dark and forgot I had already used SD 😭😭😭
Chat I got whipped by dad 😭😭😭
BUTTTT
I think my new best cast is festive fog 🫡
Getting better at 10 heat 😊😊
winged charm
So you aren’t specialling often enough to have multiple stacks on enemies
I think I’m going to start using curse of pain more on special
It works bc it’s just high damage
winged hare
Can someone give me advice on how to beat a run with the bow. The only thing I haven’t been able to win with. Literally make it to the second phase of hades every time and die at the end
winged charm
Can someone give me advice on how to beat a run with the bow. The only thing I h...
Are you on aspectttttt
Use the dash strike to charge up power shot faster
potent tree
Dash-strike is absolutely critical to success with the bows
winged hare
Ive been using hera
plain river
I think I’m going to start using curse of pain more on special
It just depends on the aspect and whether it’ll interfere with your duos
winged charm
Ive been using hera
What cast are u using
winged hare
Been trying a couple builds. One with Zeus Ares and another with like Ares/Artemis/Dionysis
winged charm
Also dash strike is critical fr
plain river
Been trying a couple builds. One with Zeus Ares and another with like Ares/Artem...
Those just don’t make sense for bow
tbh
winged charm
Been trying a couple builds. One with Zeus Ares and another with like Ares/Artem...
Hunting blades doesn’t really work with bow
plain river
Generally speaking you want to throw +% onto the heavier base damage hits like bow attack
plain river
Id do Aphrodite crush shot build
If you’re using hera*
winged charm
It has fast return time (faster with Hermes) it high damage output
Yeah they said they were using Hera
winged hare
Id do Aphrodite crush shot build
Word Ill give it a shot thanks
plain river
Quick recall from hermes or whatever it’s called I can’t rememver
winged hare
What do you normally take for hammer?
plain river
It’s not what you want from him
winged charm
Taking hermes is kind of mot necessary-
No but it helps if ur blood stone drop time isn’t good
winged charm
What do you normally take for hammer?
Flurry shot with fast bloodstone drop works really well with crush shot build
Helps with the slowness of the bow
plain river
What do you normally take for hammer?
Flurry is the strongest for hera, after that you just prioritise it like zag bow (ie. twin shot > triple shot > (perfect shot and point blank shot))
plain river
Hermes boons are like every other weapon/aspect, look for hyper sprint -> rush delivery, or greatest reflex. You can take quick reload but it shouldn’t be a huge deal since your cast should be killing most enemies that aren’t bosses pretty much immediately
winged charm
Word Ill give it a shot thanks
If you really want to make this build even stronger you can add Poseidon and Artemis (I like Artemis crit strike with Poseidon aid) for mirage shot
Doubles your cast basically
plain river
It’s more of a 1.3* your cast 
winged charm
😭😭
plain river
only on beowulf is it a 2*
winged charm
It’s more of a 1.3* your cast <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
Still good tho
You could also do a trippy flare build with ice wine
plain river
then you switch your cast over to stygian soul
and really look for cast stones from chaos
winged charm
then you switch your cast over to stygian soul
That’s my issue with Stygian soul
plain river
That’s my issue with Stygian soul
Yeah I mean you’re playing trippy shot
potent tree
E-M-I and the Philosopher's Stone
plain river
You either wait ages for your casts or you play stygian
winged charm
E-M-I and the Philosopher's Stone
Real
winged charm
You either wait ages for your casts or you play stygian
True
Tho I mean festive fog can also work well if you have scintalling fog
plain river
trippy shot works well on it’s own
winged charm
It’s actually pretty good when foes just stay or theesus who moves slower in the first half of boss fight then gets a bit faster
I like it for extra dps
plain river
Scillanting is almost useless given it’s trippy and should be killing enemies in oneshot
winged charm
It’s actually pretty good when foes just stay or theesus who moves slower in the...
Even dad tends to be a bit slow
winged charm
Scillanting is almost useless given it’s trippy and should be killing enemies in...
It works better when you use it to kill enemies then new ones either spawn in the fog or other foes walk towards it
Like I said it’s good for extra dps but not something you should be searching for actively
plain river
Ig
winged charm
Ice wine or mirage shot? Or both
lilac ibex
How did you play the bow somewhat good (without the hold to auto shoot thing)
potent tree
potent tree
There's no other way to play the bow, really
lilac ibex
potent tree
no other good way
potent tree
Yes
frosty elk
I do Rama and Dionysus special and just spam special
Get a relentless volley in there and baby you got a stew going
tight basin
Like I cant always just dash strike
there's no time to do a standing strike, so you kinda just gotta learn the timing for the dash strikes
charges faster, does a bit less damage, but it makes it way more fluid and more of a rhythm game
potent tree
Plus it lets you control positioning so much more easily
ebon shoal
Personally never had issues running the bow normally. I love running the special homing at the last hit target and ramping damage with it. But with dashes and timing I never had issues using it at range and keeping range. My first clear ever was actually with that style of play and with deflect on special and some Zeus boons iirc? Was years ago though so my memory isn't perfect on what boons I had. Didn't have any hammers I remember though.
plain river
How did you play the bow somewhat good (without the hold to auto shoot thing)
dasg strike
here I recorded this a while back
It’s not the cleanest gameplay
But
potent tree
Such mobility 👀
plain river
Such *mobility* 👀
What 40 heat does to a man
noble bobcat
The combo of Poseidon, Hermes, and Apollo (honestly anything with heat) stack hard.
vagrant crane
tight basin
bruh
why does this keep happening
y'all gotta read
kindly spoiler or delete that please
you're in the wrong channel for hades 2 stuff
sinful flame
mb
kind sentinel
Aegis Shield = OP
molten bronze
what would you guys recommend for a first spear aspect unlock?
junior hornet
what would you guys recommend for a first spear aspect unlock?
=
I’d say Aspect of Achilles
Just because extra movement
But Personally I’d go with the Hades one, because it grants you an attack that makes foes take more damage for 10 seconds
But it’s a bit difficult to time
Because it takes a bit to charge up
molten bronze
i'm digging the hades one
game gave me a hammer that boosted the spin and now i do 300 per charge
to the whole screen
shame i picked the first hit shield for the heat though
night plume
is the discount permanent?
No just for that run
molten bronze
oh come on
i thought it would be like a permanent thing if you beat him
i really like his moveset
plain river
i thought it would be like a permanent thing if you beat him
Would be a bit too strong then
molten bronze
😦
he was a difficult boss though
but not that difficult ig since i beat him first try
plain river
he was a difficult boss though
And so you should only fight him once? Seems like it’d be a waste of a fight to design it and only have you do it once
molten bronze
i was spoiled early on that you could fight him
and i though he would be some endgame superboss that would be ridiculously difficult
turbid needle
He was immensely difficult to me when I fought him the first time
Do I just suck?
plain river
He was immensely difficult to me when I fought him the first time
No
It’s often a rough fight, a ton of the difficultly like came from wherr you even werr in the run in the first place
There is a stark difference between fighting him in tartarus and elysium
since he doesn’t scale but you do
you don’t know his moveset so
You’re learning it midfight which if you remember your first (any boss fight) isn’t the easiest task
Especially when he hits like a truck
turbid needle
He does hit like a truck. True
Thanks for the encouragement.
And yeah, I fought him in Tartarus the first time
plain river
And yeah, I fought him in Tartarus the first time
I’m not surprised you died the first time
You have a whole lot of no damage extending how long the fight would last
And no hp
molten bronze
i fought him in elysium and lost all 3 death defiances
lmao
oh come on my autosave screwed up AGAIN
knotty sigil
should i take the athena dash if I'm going for an artemis nemesis build?
or should i use the attack and dash boons from artemis?
silk gazelle
best bow build?
vital night
should i take the athena dash if I'm going for an artemis nemesis build?
It’s more safety, arty on dash is more glass cannon
vital night
best bow build?
%on attack for base bow and use dash strikes since they’re faster
silk gazelle
%on attack for base bow and use dash strikes since they’re faster
is triple and explosive shot with that good aswell cuz for me it seems op
vital night
Explosive can be rough because you ideally want to be power shotting but if you’re ok not charging up all the way most of time yeah
silk gazelle
nah this build broken it charges up gauge so fast + dps is better
tight basin
triple is good, explosive depends on the aspect
as long as it's not rama or chiron then it's fine
vagrant crane
trail abyss
knotty sigil
%on attack for base bow and use dash strikes since they’re faster
I can't think of any god that fits that description
vagrant crane
I can't think of any god that fits that description
how
knotty sigil
I thought it was applied with %
knotty sigil
I might throw myself in the styx
knotty sigil
what would i do with the aspect of chaos shield?
potent tree
Just focus on buffing the attack, esp with the Charged Shot hammer. Can safely ignore the special because it's not great
knotty sigil
it's not?
potent tree
It's not.
vital night
I mean you can put hangover on it
potent tree
They hit like paper, and a lot of buffs only affect the "main" shield of the special
knotty sigil
oh then i'll stick with zag or something
vital night
Idk what the base damage of the special is but 5x it isn’t a lot
vital night
oh then i'll stick with zag or something
Chaos is generally played like “bad” zag shield
knotty sigil
you said buffing attack so something like aphrodite would be good right?
potent tree
Yeah. Would aim for a %-based buff like Aphrodite over a flat damage buff like Zeus
knotty sigil
ok another weapon i kinda struggle with
the fistifcuffs
i don't use them much but i tried Dionysus but I kept getting demolished by the dynamic duo
potent tree
Generally people build fists around Zeus or the much stronger Merciful End. And on Demeter, they also add a strong % special
knotty sigil
guess i'll attempt merciful end because my skills are kinda wanting atm
haven't even started using heat yet just trying to clear with every weapon
keen vortex
Honestly dio fists works but in my experience if you’re gonna use Dionysis on the fists, you might wanna use privileged status and combo him with like aphro or demeter
keen vortex
haven't even started using heat yet just trying to clear with every weapon
Honestly thats what i did too
keen vortex
Honestly dio fists works but in my experience if you’re gonna use Dionysis on th...
I can say the same for chaos aspect shield, if you wanna keep using it
I dig the spread throw
i love using dionysus on the throw and infecting whole rooms of enemies with hangover
knotty sigil
which aspect is best for spear?
vital night
Achilles for speed, Guan yu for heat
sullen flame
I gotta raise demeter bond, what are some good demeter builds
I got every aspect unlocked
keen vortex
personally i like putting demeter on the hidden fist aspect with privileged status and Dionysus and athena
vagrant crane
:widecharon3:
knotty sigil
i know zeus and pos are good for the rail but are there any others?
vagrant crane
pos is not good for the rail
its garbage before the duo
and once you get the duo its just lightning strike
knotty sigil
oh i didn't know please tell me the good boons and duo boons
vagrant crane
doom is also a bad option
vagrant crane
oh i didn't know please tell me the good boons and duo boons
basically just zeus atk
u dont really need any duos
if u want u can get like lightning rod
but its mostly zeus atk, a % special, and tidal dash
and jolted
or you can get zeus attack
which doesnt require a duo, does basically the same damage, does not suck for most of the game
do u actually know anything about the game
or are u trolling
oh yeah the boon that's best in slot by far isn't great
potent tree
Oh jazz LOL. I wanna see jazz during McCarthyism
vagrant crane
can you go and observe literally any non hestia rail run done ever
any speedrun at all
any heat run at all
any random run at all
man what is haelian telling people
???
there is no lernie skip
inner linden
does anyone have any advise for getting 30% extra damage with than's keepsake besides "just dash and dodge bro" lmao
knotty sigil
poseidon just overrode the power of my zeus trinket i'm really mad
potent tree
does anyone have any advise for getting 30% extra damage with than's keepsake be...
Strong build to burst down chambers and avoid risk!
vagrant crane
poseidon just overrode the power of my zeus trinket i'm really mad
well now you can get tdash
knotty sigil
well now you can get tdash
no no it's the fishing rod
vagrant crane
oh
well you'll still get zeus
srsly though what is haelian telling people that got them saying zeus is worst rail attack
knotty sigil
trolling
potent tree
does anyone have any advise for getting 30% extra damage with than's keepsake be...
Oops I should probably link you something resembling a strong build: https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-build-guide
vagrant crane
i mean they stopped after like 10 messages
knotty sigil
ok i need the rundown on spears i'm really struggling
inner linden
Oops I should probably link you something resembling a strong build: https://www...
ty but i already have that up, i actually always have that up when i play 😭 appreciate you replying tho so ty
potent tree
See the link I just posted, Sir
Kryptic, have you tried Hera, Zeus, any ME build, or a high-level Hestia?
inner linden
for this achievement no but in general high level hestia yes, zeus shield ofc, hera im not the best at the bow but yes yes i have. i agree that i need as many ranged things as possible so ill either try with hestia/eris, hestia is prob better tbh
potent tree
Hestia is pretty safe and strong (at level 4 or 5), so it's a good candidate for the 🦋 achievement
Eris kinda constrains your movement if you're bad at aiming its special like I am
knotty sigil
ah runs over i'm going back to hades the hot way
inner linden
Hestia is pretty safe and strong (at level 4 or 5), so it's a good candidate for...
appreciate you tysm packrat
potent tree
Zeus attack -> Jolted though. Sea Storm has a biiiig opportunity cost with how stinking late you tend to get it
Take Rocket Bomb
proper furnace
Sea storm rail is just zeus attack but you are missing dmg for half the run
potent tree
I'd at least take a moment to consider what vetbaitednv says, especially if others concur. vet is literally one of the better Hades players in the world 🤓
proper furnace
What's a % buff gonna do on your 10 dmg pellets
potent tree
The butterfly buff is additive, by the way
vagrant crane
first off
what do you mean butterfly
why are youusing that
second off
it would not do that
pos atk is 30% additive
literally lvl10 pos atk is only 75%
potent tree
17.5 damage per shot 👀 👀 👀
vagrant crane
yes
for rare you get 9-15% more
and for epic 24-30% more
yeah im not dealing with this lol
proper furnace
Zeus attack also hits everyone in the room
vagrant crane
its either a troll or ur just incredibly ignorant and also not willing to change ur perspective
im in calc 3 chief
potent tree
datboi, what are you doing for the first 80% of the run while you don't have Sea Storm?
I mean if you like it, that's great, but the numbers just don't work out to it being better than stacking Zeus attack and Zeus secondaries ASAP (then pomming Jolted, etc. etc.)
Gotta keep in mind opportunity costs of not doing damage ASAP
Butterfly adds almost nothing. Keep it mind its buff is additive, not multiplicative, with other buffs
Also keep in mind it takes forever to get Sea Storm. Time in which you're doing poor damage
vagrant crane
sorry for being correct
proper furnace
Lmao
vagrant crane
every single top speedrun uses zeus attack
every single top heat run other than like the dio ones uses zeus attack
so what does not translate
in speedruns you need high damage
it is
it takes ages to get
inner raven
Is Fire extinguisher even good? I have an insane knife/fire build rn but im concerned it might be a dps decerase
vagrant crane
too many requirements
in the time you spend getting sea storm you could get a full build
potent tree
Lets see. If we take a level 10 Poseidon (75%), and say you get a huuuuuge butterfly buff 75% into the run (35%), then it's like 10 + (10 x 0.75) + (10 + .35) = 27.85 damage 😮
That's after spending most of the run building up buffs forever, which is time where you're not doing much damage and time in which you do not have Sea Storm
keen vortex
Is Fire extinguisher even good? I have an insane knife/fire build rn but im conc...
hades 2?
potent tree
Or in other words, you could get Zeus ASAP and start with like 30 damage per shot then totally eclipse the Poseidon + Butterfly build from the get-go
vagrant crane
i do not trust your ability to construct a proper build
just zeus alone would not do enough
potent tree
datboi, did you see my calculations above?
vagrant crane
ok well u took dem call so that’s your fault
it is not
i guarantee you it is not
potent tree
Taking Demeter call means you're not taking Zeus, which is much more flexible and does tons more damage without any secondary buffs
potent tree
vetbaitednv is brusque but very, very serious about Hades mechanics. Definitely not trolling 
potent tree
datboi, do you know what "opportunity costs" are? Serious question
vagrant crane
chief
now correct me if im wrong
but i think all the values in the "dps" column say more than 90
this is with just lvl1 lightning strike
and nothing else
?
you said 50 dps from the arctic blast
and the call does 40 dps
actually
it would be less
since dem call hits every 0.25 seconds
keen vortex
im lost, can someone gimme a rundown of what we’re on rn
vagrant crane
so it would actually be 80 or so
potent tree
*im lost, can someone gimme a rundown of what we’re on rn*
We're debating Poseidon+Butterfly start into Sea Storm vs. the standard Zeus+Zeus+Zeus build on rails
vagrant crane
on top of the fact that
-you took an early call for no reason and out of all the calls you picked dem call
-you took another dem for still no reason and then got arctic blast
the stones would not affect the call
they would only affect the attack damage
the room that's generally cleared in like 3 seconds?
sounds pretty reasonable
assuming you didn't make horrible build decisions
potent tree
Maybe we should just show datboi a rail speedrun
vagrant crane
which you probably did
like taking dem call
https://youtu.be/6ijwaZoZnq8 here u go
ok well why would you take ricochet shot
or jerky
hydralite is still better
on rail
you can lose hp
potent tree
Hydralite is nice for buffering against future HP loss
potent tree
No, it's actually 6 damage per bullet gained 
vagrant crane
did you know that 10-25 is greater than 6
potent tree
I think datboi might be misunderstanding how buffs stack
Though to be fair it's not immediately intuitive at times
Again, vetbaited is a world record speedrunner, so you can assume some mastery of mechanics, etc. etc. 🤓
And Hades is kind of a solved game at this point
Can you show your calcs, datboi?
vagrant crane
it is not
you have to force 2 gods and get a duo in order to achieve something roughly equivalent to zeus atk
where are you getting this 50% from
and you know you can like
pom boons
right
potent tree
10 x 0.4 + 10 x 0.5 = 9 < 15
I really don't understand what point datboi is trying to make here
This is basic arithmetic, no?
Either I'm completely missing something (possible given my eternal illness and brain fog), or someone's just totally miscalculating
vagrant crane
they probably were using some ungodly notation to imply 40*1.5
potent tree
Yeah, I don't get it either. I think it would be nice if we forced math notation to clear stuff up
vagrant crane
if only there was some kind of class where they taught you how to write numbers
potent tree
Imagine students being able to communicate clearly in this day and age
My time as a tutor was not fun. I loved the kiddos, but boy was I blown away by the state of things
vagrant crane
Imagine students being able to communicate clearly in this day and age <:zagsad:...
my classmate explaining orientation of surfaces using proof by mario kart: