Sub 4
#h1-discussion
strong ridge
tbh fr it is tho
brisk trail
Okayy maybe for you
high island
You'll get sub 3 clears in 3 hours because you're resetting so much. 
raw herald
True
All I’ve got to do is beat the game in under 24 minutes igt
Then I’ll have a sub 4!
brisk trail
Whats a sub 4
desert tundra
strong ridge
Whats a sub 4<:shadegrief:520448187358642194>
clear under 4min
brisk trail
Literally how is that even physically possible
strong ridge
who knows
signal aspen
Route your run
high island
Oooo~~~hohohohohohoho!!!
signal aspen
Speedrun wr is sub 5
raw herald
Sub 4! Does not require routing
signal aspen
Prove it
raw herald
ok
strong ridge
brb
gray apex
sub4! is very easy
raw herald
I could do sub 4! rta
gray apex
raw herald
With a 3! Sack
signal aspen
Prove it
signal aspen
Me when 1! Sack
raw herald
I wish
signal aspen
They should add that into the Speedrun modpack
brisk trail
I’m so confused
raw herald
Nah, 4! As in 4 with passion
raw herald
true
umbral parrot
Naturally. Passion Dash best Dash.
I never take aphrodite’s dash, actually. Is it good?
raw herald
It’s ok
high island
It's perfectly perfect in ever way.
raw herald
Mid damage, but weak is good
strong ridge
if u dont have weak its cool if u do its pretty suck
umbral parrot
Tidal dash fits my playstyle way more so i pick it always but i dont know
raw herald
Yeah tidal dash is way better
high island
Heresy.
umbral parrot
I just cant get myself to like dashes that affect the area before dashing
Like
They pop out after the dash
It feels weird
pseudo kernel
it does at first then you get your first taste of Merciful End build and then you are pretty much inlove with dashes
umbral parrot
I dont know what a merciful end build is
reef zodiac
I never take aphrodite’s dash, actually. Is it good?
It’s worse than Tidal in 99% of situations
strong ridge
duo
pseudo kernel
Your deflect can trigger your doom instantly, its really good on Guan Yu, its a duo boon
umbral parrot
What is doom?
high island
No, don't write that down...
strong ridge
What is doom?
ares damag
umbral parrot
Ohh
reef zodiac
Write it down
icy knoll
I never take aphrodite’s dash, actually. Is it good?
great for heart rend builds
reef zodiac
Nyaa is an Aphrodite simp
strong ridge
its true
reef zodiac
But passion dash is not great
umbral parrot
strong ridge
topegi!
umbral parrot
Uuh
pseudo kernel
Tidal dash is probably one of the best dashes for most runs
high island
Tidal Dash will also hurt Triple Shot on bow, for example. It's obviously a top tier dash.
umbral parrot
strong ridge
triple shot grindset
reef zodiac
A dash being situationally worth using over tidal does not make it a top tier dash
Unless “top tier” is a full tier under tidal and divine
high island
pash dash has low damage but its helpful a lot of the time
It's third in damage after Tidal Dash and Blade Dash.
raw herald
On its own sure
finite lodge
Everyone's tiers will be different, considering how different people will like different boons, weapons, and playstyles.
icy knoll
i'm playing nem sword, chamber 2, just got deadly strike
i can choose chaos gate, daedalus hammer, or two poms from erebus
which should i pick
finite lodge
i'm playing nem sword, chamber 2, just got deadly strike
i can choose chaos gate...
Chaos.
icy knoll
i got lunge and then heart rend two chambers later so i think that was a good choice
aaaand i died to tisiphone because i took another chaos gate when i was at 30 hp
oops
desert tundra
I've always seen people talk about chaos and beowulf shield but does anyone like zag and zeus shield? those are my personal favorites compared to the other 2
icy knoll
i really like zeus shield
sweet pivot
Hypnos should be a date able option ngl
oblique yacht
Athena, Artemis and Achilles should be romance options
hypnos would be a fun one too
brisk trail
Than is good enough for me 🤤
brisk trail
How to get blood other than beating furies with all weapons
Beat the final boss 
And then beating furies/last boss with increasing difficulty tiers
raw sluice
how do you get the other weapons
brisk trail
Umm I think you unlock them with keys
slim geyser
what do you have unlocked
brisk trail
Uhhh keep playing and they’ll appear eventually probably
raw sluice
i cant spell
slim geyser
bc you have to unlock all 4 before the other 2 show up
slim geyser
do that
raw sluice
ok
slim geyser
shield's one of the best zag weapons anyway tbh
slim geyser
prob zag bow in second
slim geyser
oh yeah
zag rail is decent
if i ranked them i think it would be:
-zag shield
-zag bow
-zag rail
-zag fists
-zag spear
-zag sword
raw sluice
hmm
i love spear tho
its like long range melee if you get the hammer thing
upgrade
slim geyser
eh theres a better one youll unlock later
brisk trail
The other spears are much better
raw sluice
oh ok
slim geyser
zag spear is the worst of the spears yeah
brisk trail
Theres 4 versions of each weapon
desert tundra
maybe they should be in #h1-for-new-players
so they dont get spoiled any further
lmao
sweet pivot
Zag spear is fine
raw sluice
spamming spear is fun
brisk trail
Every aspect is “fine” but some are very noticeably much better then their counterparts
slim geyser
except gilgameh
slim geyser
oh gilga is fun its just not good lmao
silver fern
Whats the highest heat possible?
brisk trail
Honestly anything 50+ is gigachad
sweet pivot
Does Thanatos hate me when ever I find his mini game I can't gift him nectar and when I find him in the house it only gives me an option to talk rather than gift ?
slim geyser
is he at the locked heart
brisk trail
wut is gud for first time to beat hades
70 attempts
still not beat him
There isn’t a good time to beat the game. If you beat it at 50 you’re good, if you beat it at 150 you’re good. Everyone learns and improves their skill at different rates and thats ok
sweet pivot
I have him at 4 hearts so I don't think so
brisk trail
no i mean gud builds
slim geyser
well merciful end is the what comes to mind as just a classic good build
fists, ares attack athena special athena dash and their duo
high island
My Newbie Build Guide is pinned in #h1-for-new-players. That should be a good starting point, I hope.
brisk trail
Oh lol
Just grab shield and stack damage
Get demeter on shield, 40% slow makes bosses infinitely easier
Or be a chad and use sword whatever weapon you find most fun 
But alot of the sword hammers r pretty sucky 
desert tundra
how does attack speed enhancers work on the railgun hidden aspect?
does it makes the ticks of damage go faster?
flint breach
I would presume it ramps up damage faster but then and again I'm not smart so don't take my opinion please
desert tundra
I would presume it ramps up damage faster but then and again I'm not smart so do...
kay just testing it and yea i think this is true
need more attack speed in order to make sure though
its kinda hard to tell while trying to play at the same time
sweet pivot
Is triple beam or eternal chamber better ? I have zeus legendary
finite lodge
need more attack speed in order to make sure though
Attack speed is always viable.
desert tundra
Attack speed is always viable.
Lol, I like going bonk build with the sword
its pretty fun
brisk trail
https://imgur.com/qXOHTZF arthur CHUNKS
brisk trail
I died so I dont have a screen of the build but I'll write down what I had
brisk trail
https://imgur.com/IcWWypu red heartbreak strike lvl 9, purple sweet surrender lvl 2?, blue pressure points at 10-12% chance, hide breaker, clean kill, battle rage, shadow slash
- the jerky
desert tundra
btw does vicious skewer work on Achilles spear dash?
pseudo kernel
Battle rage and pressure points usually slap together
manic bobcat
brisk trail
do you have the build?
manic bobcat
also embed doesn't work wtf
manic bobcat
do you have the build?
yeah level 9 heroic heartbreak strike, a milion +attack charon items
that's arthur
brisk trail
oh yeah I just saw the aura ima dummy
manic bobcat
:D
brisk trail
mega chunks
manic bobcat
also backstab + nyx keepsake + high damage
brisk trail
I went with heartbreak strike cos highest raw damage and pressure points for the crit
it was some rng but got there eventually
manic bobcat
yeah, hoesntly your build probably has a higher damage cap
manic bobcat
though my fav weapon is Zag Bow though
raw herald
Boy do I have an aotw for you
brisk trail
when you get get quick spin and massive spin 
raw herald
When you get winged serpent flaring spin
pseudo kernel
https://imgur.com/34TQjr7
Oooh probably the nicest thing i have seen all week so satisfying
manic bobcat
aw thank you!
if you notice the version number you would know that this is from a very long time ago lol
brisk trail
reef zodiac
Unfair the dad has 2 lifes
Oh boy do I have a pact for you
manic bobcat
Thought I won
brisk trail
@manic bobcat is 8439 the highest you've seen?
runic ice
Um what's ambrosia for
brisk trail
if you could pick and choose your boons, hammers and conditions within the restraints of 1 run you'd get higher
manic bobcat
Um what's ambrosia for
they are used to get upgrades called companions. if you are early in the game i would say don't worry about it yet. you can trade 7-8 ambrosias for titan blood if you want. don't go overboard though because you need a decent amount later
reef zodiac
if you could pick and choose your boons, hammers and conditions within the restr...
They might actually get a bigger number in the seeded run
I’m not sure
But ichor stacking is a powerful thing
brisk trail
what is ichor
reef zodiac
Ignited Ichor
You should watch Vorime’s seeded 2:48
It’s crazy what they can do in routed runs
brisk trail
thats the move speed one, u pair it with the hermes boon?
reef zodiac
Yep
brisk trail
gotcha
reef zodiac
Move speed is multiplicative
raw herald
Movement speed is multiplicative with other sources
Allowing big rush delivery damage
brisk trail
runic ice
they are used to get upgrades called companions. if you are early in the game i ...
Oh okay thanks
pseudo kernel
took me all my DDs but i finally beat EM4… man that was fun and intense i enjoyed that alot
reef zodiac
And they do it with cluster rockets which already have absurd base damage
runic ice
https://imgur.com/34TQjr7
Which spear upgrade is this?
reef zodiac
Guan Yu
brisk trail
spin 2 win
reef zodiac
What weapons do you like
runic ice
Varatha
brisk trail
^literally this, invest in what you enjoy playing first
runic ice
Bow
reef zodiac
Try Hera
brisk trail
that's ok there's plenty more
brisk trail
it's ok, you'll get him eventually
pseudo kernel
yeah second phase is easier imo
runic ice
Hopefully
runic ice
What's punishing sweep
pseudo kernel
ok ima try beat em4
I can imagine doing that again with arthur
fast willow
Unfair the dad has 2 lifes
well zag has 2+ from the mirror upgrades so it only makes sense that dad would have them too
brisk trail
I JUST BEAT EM4 FOR THE FIRST TIME
reef zodiac
Nice
leaden birch
Cos first plus the 2 from mirror
Plus 3 really
At max death defiance
Plus 4 if you include skelly's tooth
pseudo kernel
But what about subborn defiance, technically then he has as many as there are rooms in a run
runic ice
At max death defiance
Oh yeah max is 3
I forgot cos it costs 1k purple tears
Only have 2
leaden birch
Wait
What if
There was a mod
"Hades cast"
Those skull thingies but as a cast for zagreus
gray apex
No thanks
gray apex
brisk trail
desert tundra
Time to join in on the Arthur nickname train
brisk trail
actually the best weapon in the game (this is my own opinion please don't kill me)
desert tundra
Subjectively the best weapon in the game
reef zodiac
actually the best weapon in the game (this is my own opinion please don't kill m...
You may think that until you try heat or speed with the aspect and realize it’s bottom 5 at both 
desert tundra
don't ask me how that's possible
desert tundra
You may think that until you try heat or speed with the aspect and realize it’s ...
well yeah... it's whole thing is power over speed lol
brisk trail
You may think that until you try heat or speed with the aspect and realize it’s ...
it's best for fun ok
desert tundra
its just more fun
reef zodiac
well yeah... it's whole thing is power over speed lol
Power over speed? Explain how that works, I thought power = speed
signal aspen
Beo moment
reef zodiac
Beo, Hestia, Eris, etc
brisk trail
I've beat TD3 with it atleast twice now and it's not that bad, obviously will be much worse with JS and CP, and DC is a no go
reef zodiac
Apparently Rama
reef zodiac
I've beat TD3 with it atleast twice now and it's not that bad, obviously will be...
Bruh that’s because it gives you 20 minutes
Every weapon has gone sub7 I’m pretty sure
brisk trail
I'm not tryna speedrun bro
brisk trail
as slow as it is, if it can clear TD3 it's fast enough for me
reef zodiac
Literally every aspect in the game can clear TD3 with 13 minutes to spare so that’s like not exactly a crazy thing
brisk trail
chiron?
brisk trail
Literally every aspect in the game can clear TD3 with 13 minutes to spare so tha...
I'm not trying to push the narrative that it's some crazy fast clearing machine. It's slow, and lots of fun, but fast enough that its slow speed doesn't matter.
brisk trail
that's ok, you'll get faster as you learn and progress through the game
reef zodiac
I'm not trying to push the narrative that it's some crazy fast clearing machine....
Yeah that’s totally fine
brisk trail
that is a massive difference wow
reef zodiac
I know Zyru was grinding Chiron recently but idk if they’re doing modded or unmodded
Modded Chiron wr is 6:16 by Bablo
brisk trail
whats best sword for heat btw? obviously zag ofc nemesis?
signal aspen
Yeah Chiron world record is 6:17 by Magnil
Bablo got 6:16 modded I think
Oh wait you already said that
Frick
reef zodiac
Lol yeah
signal aspen
I know Zyru was grinding Chiron recently but idk if they’re doing modded or unmo...
He was grinding modded chiron sub 7 and then gave up and did bad zag bow
brisk trail
sword is my fav weapon, I wanna try 40 with arthur then do 50 with nem cos 50 arthur would be rly tough
reef zodiac
Not a lot of people actually play sword at high heat on account of how hard it is to play
Arthur 50 I think isn’t terrible, I think it’s 51+ that are really bad
brisk trail
authur wr is 53 I think
reef zodiac
Yeah
brisk trail
that's aloooot lower than 62
brisk trail
how bad is hell modes condition?
brisk trail
Arthur and Hermes attack boost idk!!
I just did a run with +40% speed arthur and it was fun af
reef zodiac
I wouldn’t use it until at least the 45-50 range
But I suggest it for 50 on most aspects
reef zodiac
And past 50 it’s almost always a good idea
brisk trail
that means making a whole new save tho 
leaden birch
Haven't gotten rama yet
reef zodiac
that means making a whole new save tho <:Desperation:894394118615207936>
It’s a pain, I agree
brisk trail
rama is pretty fun
reef zodiac
I eventually decided to just do it a few weeks ago
leaden birch
Who gives the awakening phrase
brisk trail
also really strong
leaden birch
Artemis, right?
reef zodiac
Rama is amazing, love that aspect
brisk trail
pancake what your highest heat?
reef zodiac
52
gray apex
65
mint coral
Who gives the awakening phrase
Artemis for bow ye
gray apex
reef zodiac
I’m not excited about going past 52 though
brisk trail
52 is very nice well done
gray apex
Gamer afterall
reef zodiac
Because I did 52 on Beowulf, but to do 53+ I’d have to do RI, AP2, or DC2. All of which are really bad
leaden birch
I'm probably not gonna aim for high heat at least for a decent amount of time
signal aspen
50 heat comfy
leaden birch
Focusing on 100%-ing the game first
reef zodiac
Part of what made 52 kinda fun was that I could actually count on getting a build together
signal aspen
My highest heat is 62
leaden birch
Gonna play something else after I finish hades
reef zodiac
reef zodiac
Gonna play something else after I finish hades
Perhaps a bit of Elden Ring? I suggest it
brisk trail
Focusing on 100%-ing the game first
when you do, start with 8 then go up in increments of 8
leaden birch
Perhaps a bit of Elden Ring? I suggest it
nice suggestion
one small issue
brisk trail
elden ring is pretty damn fun
reef zodiac
Sadge
gray apex
Pretty big issue actually
brisk trail
gray apex
brisk trail
very big issue
leaden birch
Pretty big issue actually
quite comically large even
pure karma
Can someone remind me what do I need to do to start unlocking hidden aspects?
gray apex
Check pins in #h1-story-discussion
leaden birch
Mine's a cold war relic in that case!!
gray apex
lol
pure karma
Check pins in <#521035166471159828>
Was that directed at me?
gray apex
Yes
pure karma
Thx
gray apex
If rtx 3060 is low end to some then idk anymore
reef zodiac
apparently the RTX 3060 and so are considered "low-end - mid-range" by some
Yeah I have no idea lol, I just play on PS5
leaden birch
Ok let's go to #off-topic-discussion cuz I got more stuff to say
desert tundra
Power over speed? Explain how that works, I thought power = speed
I just meant how the weapon works in general, it's slower which induces more risk but has more power than other aspects
brisk trail
power per hit yes but not necessarily dps
desert tundra
Yup
gray apex
I know Zyru was grinding Chiron recently but idk if they’re doing modded or unmo...
Modded always
reef zodiac
I just meant how the weapon works in general, it's slower which induces more ris...
How does it have more power 
pure karma
If rtx 3060 is low end to some then idk anymore <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Technically, they are. They are at the lowest end of that line.
reef zodiac
Modded always
Figured
brisk trail
what mods do ppl use
pure karma
Anyway, Achilles aspect builds?
pure karma
Haven't played hunting blades in a while, will go for that
gray apex
what mods do ppl use
Speedrunning modpack is the only legal modpack for leaderboard submissions
pure karma
that is arty/ares right?
brisk trail
does that buff the blade for the entire duration?
reef zodiac
Yep
brisk trail
that is arty/ares right?
beam is demeter, blade is ares
cursive ingot
If rtx 3060 is low end to some then idk anymore <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
i got a 2060 and don't feel the need to upgrade
brisk trail
Speedrunning modpack is the only legal modpack for leaderboard submissions
what's in it?
brisk trail
I have gtx1650 
leaden birch
man
gray apex
what's in it?
Quite a lot of stuff to smooth out the rng
cursive ingot
like i could buy a 3090 or w/e but why?
leaden birch
I have gtx1650 <a:buenospin:869264538091003975>
Like I said in #off-topic-discussion
gray apex
So you don’t have to reset as hard
leaden birch
I wanna get a GTX 1650 low profile soon
Since it's literally the best card my PC can handle
/fit
desert tundra
How does it have more power <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
As in... the hits it does? It has really high base damage with its attacks alone
gray apex
You can join the speedrunning discord pinned in #self-promotion
leaden birch
It's a prebuilt
gray apex
Modpack is available there
brisk trail
I don't wanna use it, ever, was just curious about what it does
reef zodiac
As in... the hits it does? It has really high base damage with its attacks alone
So does Hestia. So does Rama. So does Beo if you load some casts.
brisk trail
gray apex
It can give you an exact first hammer, all cores on your first boon, show fountains etc
leaden birch
So does Hestia. So does Rama. So does Beo if you load some casts.
Beo with crush shot and 3 casts
gray apex
Quick reset so you can die immediately
leaden birch
It can give you an exact first hammer, all cores on your first boon, show founta...
Sounds like
leaden birch
Quick reset so you can die immediately
Reasonable features
reef zodiac
Modded is it’s own category
brisk trail
yeah
brisk trail
that's what I meant by separated from vanilla runs
reef zodiac
It allows people to have to waste less time on resets and lose less runs to RNG
gray apex
If you do it with modded you can do unmodded but it can take ages because some base stuff is really horrible
Like the sack
reef zodiac
Exactly
leaden birch
the sack
devout terrace
How is it cheating if everyone's on the same mods
gray apex
It’s agreed upon by the speedrunning community
So it’s just like any other category
You can call it whatever you want
devout terrace
Hades and zeus are by far the best,
Dio is stupidly strong and Aphrodite has its uses
Posideon is really fun with rip current
gray apex
Ares
reef zodiac
Aphrodite’s Aid 
devout terrace
Dont care that much for the other ones
reef zodiac
Athena on Rama?
devout terrace
Aphrodite charm spam is funny
Oh right Athena lol
I thought from a damage perspective
reef zodiac
My unpopular opinion is that Aphrodite’s Aid is genuinely terrible
leaden birch
I like
brisk trail
what does aphrodite do for bosses
gray apex
Yea Athena is amazing
brisk trail
how much damage it do
gray apex
It does 2 seconds of damage
desert tundra
So does Hestia. So does Rama. So does Beo if you load some casts.
It isn't an argument to say it's better than others aspects in terms of power, I am merely stating that the Aspect itself does high base damage because of how it works lol
reef zodiac
Tbh Artemis call > Aphrodite call
reef zodiac
It isn't an argument to say it's better than others aspects in terms of power, I...
Well ok sure, this is factually correct
leaden birch
Poseidon, Ares and Athena
reef zodiac
Zeus, Dio, Poseidon are definitely too 3 (not counting hades)
Ares aid is definitely the worst call
gray apex
Ares is just plain bad, barely does damage and you are vulnerable when it ends
I really dislike it
reef zodiac
As much as I hate Aphrodite’s aid
brisk trail
does invis mean you just can't be targeted?
reef zodiac
Ares aid is so bad
gray apex
Yea you cant take any damage
reef zodiac
does invis mean you just can't be targeted?
It’s about the extra damage
brisk trail
Yea you cant take any damage
what if you walk into a source of damage
gray apex
Oh you meant Dad call
brisk trail
yes
gray apex
Nothing
brisk trail
oh ok that's nice
gray apex
You don’t take any damage, but if you try to attack then invis is over and you can take damage again
And yea it’s taken for the global damage mostly
And the niche of enemies repeating moves
reef zodiac
The reason for dad call is the extra damage you deal
gray apex
Full call makes you unseen, if you try to deal damage during that you’re still unseen and cant be hit anyway so there’s that
Dad call is poorly worded
Invisible and Unseen are two different thingies
reef zodiac
Yeah it’s very confusing
brisk trail
so you get one boosted damage hit?
reef zodiac
All hits
brisk trail
oh that's nice
gray apex
Which is 2 sec for lesser call iirc
But invis is 1 hit
Right as you attack it’s gone
brisk trail
wait so for lesser call you get 1 hit, but for greater call you get boosted hits until it ends
desert tundra
Hades Aid bad cause it uses your keepsake slot 
gray apex
Well this got confusing lol
brisk trail
yeah lol
reef zodiac
wait so for lesser call you get 1 hit, but for greater call you get boosted hits...
No, it’s full duration for both. Very confusing wording
reef zodiac
Hades Aid bad cause it uses your keepsake slot <:clueless:923596080581586994>
Tell that to the speedrunners who regularly use it
gray apex
yeah lol
Invisibility and the global damage you get are independent, when you use a lesser call you become invisible and you deal extra damage, the invisibility lasts as long as you don’t do any actions, the global damage is for full duration
brisk trail
is it boosted damage from all sources?
gray apex
So you pretty much don’t care about the invisibility because you wanna attack anyway to make use of the damage boost
Yes
Global
reef zodiac
is it boosted damage from all sources?
Yeah it’s global
brisk trail
hell yeah
gray apex
Hades Aid bad cause it uses your keepsake slot <:clueless:923596080581586994>
When you’re speedrunning you usually don’t have a use for that slot in styx and most aspects can also use it in Elysium
devout terrace
Also it gives move speed
gray apex
Except like Beowulf and Hera which always want Hourglass
devout terrace
But that move speed doesn't apply to rush delivery if you also have hyper sprint
We dont know why
We dont want to know why
Its so stupid
desert tundra
Tell that to the speedrunners who regularly use it
Ok I will, which speedrunners use it? I will go into every single one of their chats and say it
reef zodiac
Except like Beowulf and Hera which always want Hourglass
Even for Styx? Doesn’t hourglass not really do anything for Styx? I usually take acorn
gray apex
Ok I will, which speedrunners use it? I will go into every single one of their c...
Me
No I take dad call styx
desert tundra
When you’re speedrunning you usually don’t have a use for that slot in styx and ...
Lol I was being sarcastic, I'm sure it's good I don't watch many speedruns myself
gray apex
Hourglass styx is odd i don’t know, unmodded thing for sure
reef zodiac
hourglass Ely goated though
gray apex
For modded it’s just a waste because the earliest well you can get still lasts for dad and you have 2 sack anyway
reef zodiac
Exactly
gray apex
I’ve seen it used for unmodded sometimes
And also some Acorn for Hera instead of Dad call
I like Dad call but it might have to do with keeping him next to walls to wallbug or something idk imagine playing Hera
reef zodiac
signal aspen
Even for Styx? Doesn’t hourglass not really do anything for Styx? I usually take...
I keep hourglass because unmodded
reef zodiac
3-sack mentality
signal aspen
I got a pb with a 3 sack 😎 ||😔 ||
pure karma
Man, this game is so good. Had missed it.
tough pelican
I'm gonna attempt a guan yu run. any advice
reef zodiac
Don’t get hit
tough pelican
lol I'll keep it in mind
tough pelican
wait, does spin mean the charged normal attack thingy
gray apex
Yea
tough pelican
alright
shadow plover
can i ask you guys a question?
brisk trail
unless you get big spin and fast spin
gray apex
Yea unless you’re memeing
reef zodiac
can i ask you guys a question?
Sure
shadow plover
i killed hades
gray apex
Good question
leaden birch
Fast Arthur
reef zodiac
pure karma
No revives, half HP, incomplete build. This Hades fight is not gonna go well.
desert tundra
Believe it
reef zodiac
In the first half I thought you were just describing RI4
brisk trail
pro tip for killing hades
pretend for the entire fight you have no DD and 1 hp
you will win
unless you actually have no DD and 1 hp
then you'll probably die
main crescent
pretend for the entire fight you have no DD and 1 hp
this just works for every boss in everything
insane how adrenaline works hah
fickle dew
I didn't consider dodging and kept getting 80 damage crits by redacted
main crescent
spin go swoosh
brisk trail
is numbing sensation move speed, attack speed or both
fast willow
I didn't consider dodging and kept getting 80 damage crits by redacted
i mean he cant crit you, its more that he has boiling blood when you get hit by his cast
fast willow
is numbing sensation move speed, attack speed or both
im pretty sure it works like chill so it should be both
fickle dew
i mean he cant crit you, its more that he has boiling blood when you get hit by ...
I see
thx
upbeat lodge
Damit i want to play hades again now
reef zodiac
Wow Hestia isn’t just the best hitless aspect, it straight up trivializes it compared to other aspects
On a tier list of aspects for hitless, Hestia would be the only S tier and then every other tier would be empty until at least C tier
iron oyster
I wanna see a hitless aspect on a melee build
Oh no
Wait I typed wrong
Oh no I don’t wanna get banned
iron oyster
https://imgur.com/a/tSlU57n
Explosive? Idk, really
I don’t play Hera, idk if it spreads the cast over an area
pure karma
Don't think it does
iron oyster
It would be pretty broken I guess
iron oyster
Why would it
Idk, I was thinking beowulf style
pure karma
So, what do you think? I think perfect is the best option to get easy power shots on top of the cast
iron oyster
It only applies to the attack
Doesn’t Hera load the cast into the attack
reef zodiac
No Beo hammers affect the cast either
pure karma
explosive makes it too slow
reef zodiac
Yes, but it’s still a cast not an attack
iron oyster
Ah fair enough
reef zodiac
If it says “you’re attack” it doesn’t mean your cast
pure karma
Doesn’t Hera load the cast into the attack
It doesn't change the attack, it just unloads the cast on attack
iron oyster
I’m just dumb
pure karma
Imma take Perfect Shot
iron oyster
I really should start playing Hera
iron oyster
Imma take Perfect Shot
That’s probably smart
pure karma
I hate explosive, makes it too slow and awkward
and chain wouldnt make much sense if my casts do the damage
mint coral
Chain never makes sense
brisk trail
get triple shot on rama
iron oyster
I went crazy in #h1-story-discussion damn
icy knoll
is the beo hammer that makes you sturdy when you load casts good
reef zodiac
Today I learned: Dashing right after using special with Guan Yu is technically not an empty dash and does not have i-frames
Man this aspect sucks
icy knoll
do you think gy would be good if it only reduced your health by 25% instead of 50
icy knoll
why would you do hitless with guan yu
leaden birch
ok since I'm not getting aphrodite
reef zodiac
Because I already did Hestia
leaden birch
should I take Athena's or Dionysus' cast for beowufl
icy knoll
its whole gimmick is that you heal your hits
icy knoll
should I take Athena's or Dionysus' cast for beowufl
dio
leaden birch
ok I'll wait em out
mint coral
Dio with infernal soul is eh
reef zodiac
its whole gimmick is that you heal your hits
No the spin sucks
The main playstyle of Guan Yu is the special and the dash-strike
icy knoll
is there any aspect where the spin isn't bad
brisk trail
look, if you get quick spin and massive spin, gyan yu spin is viable
reef zodiac
brisk trail
you can't convince me otherwise
reef zodiac
Yeah if I get both of those hammers, I might use the spin about as much as the special and the dash strike
flint breach
Quick Question sorry, what's the best option from Eurydice?
reef zodiac
Or I could just get charged skewer
mint coral
Nectar most of the time
brisk trail
Quick Question sorry, what's the best option from Eurydice?
depends
if you have just a purple attack and a purple special take ambrosia
reef zodiac
Man hitless with non-Hestia aspects is painful
flint breach
Well got a purple attack and a grey special so ye I'll take ambrosia
brisk trail
mint coral
if you have just a purple attack and a purple special take ambrosia
Heroic boons arent that good
Also if you have many boons that just a big gamble
reef zodiac
Yeah Poms or Nectar is almost always right
It’s rare that ambrosia is best
Very rare
icy knoll
Also if you have many boons that just a big gamble
you can always s&q
flint breach
Alright well thanks, hoping this is a sub 10 run
brisk trail
especially if I havent seen hermes yet
icy knoll
is it possible to get heroic boons using nectar
reef zodiac
you can always s&q
I mean it’s definitely cheating but I will admit I do it for casual runs if I think it will make my build more fun (mostly to get clockets at anvil)
mint coral
Nectar is just so nice for duos/legend/Chaos/hermes
reef zodiac
is it possible to get heroic boons using nectar
No
mint coral
C r o p
brisk trail
that one
reef zodiac
Rare cr*p
mint coral
Depends for me
On casts/most flat dmg i like it
For aphro attack/special also but most others arent really that big defferences
Tho preventing replaces kinda nice
brisk trail
aphro attack 200% 
flint breach
Pog sub 10 minute
brisk trail
Nice!
iron oyster
https://imgur.com/a/ppMCH5h
Good man pat
pure karma
Nice
reef zodiac
I’m losing more hitless runs to Champions than anything else combined
They’re so hard
pure karma
EM2 arena is the most annoying thing in this game. I have never managed to not take some damage from the lava.
reef zodiac
CSkewer resets
reef zodiac
Minibosses last?
slim geyser
should i go for privileged status or family favorite on Achilles? trying to get a sub 10
pure karma
I tried avoiding them
reef zodiac
Why is that?
pure karma
Because I don't want to fight them
slim geyser
should i go for privileged status or family favorite on Achilles? trying to get ...
splash dash zeus or arty attack probably , at least at first
reef zodiac
Because I don't want to fight them
Why not? Miniboss chambers are faster, give better rewards, and are almost always easier
pure karma
Ok, but I am gonna lose all my revives before hades
reef zodiac
To vermin?
pure karma
Yes
signal aspen
tiny vermin or big vermin?
reef zodiac
pure karma
big is a joke
signal aspen
bruh
reef zodiac
Sounds like you need practice
I’d rather fight tiny vermin twice than do a big Styx room most of the time
pure karma
Pancake, if that last room has tiny vermin, I am blaming you
reef zodiac
Let alone all 3
reef zodiac
Pancake, if that last room has tiny vermin, I am blaming you
It will have the sack
pure karma
Oh yeah
reef zodiac
Unless you already got the sack
reef zodiac
Also the odds of tiny vermin are like 1 in 5
So
Why play the game in constant fear
pure karma
The point of that screen was that I had to fight all the rooms to find the sack
reef zodiac
Well I second guessed it because of what you said
pure karma
also, the miniboss rooms didnt have anything I cared about
reef zodiac
Doesn’t matter, they’re still easier and faster
I don’t think I’ve taken a non-miniboss before both minibosses in months
pure karma
Look, Tiny Vermin always destroys me and I am climbing heat 1 at a time to get used to hell mode
reef zodiac
Then you’re probably using TD, right?
reef zodiac
Then tiny vermin should be less of a concern than doing 3 entire big Styx rooms
They take like 2+ minutes with hell mode base pacts
Each
pure karma
Is there a higher chance for the sack to appear in miniboss room?
reef zodiac
No
slim geyser
one sec
signal aspen
then take miniboss rooms
reef zodiac
Taking minibosses first means you have only a sub15% chance of fighting a single big Styx room
signal aspen
they are faster
slim geyser
basically non miniboss rooms can have less enemies
pure karma
Ok for the last time
slim geyser
so it’s usually better to take the other ones
pure karma
Tiny vermin will take me more time and drain my revives
reef zodiac
And a sub3% chance of having to fight 2 of them
signal aspen
bruh do you like get tiny vermin in every miniboss room or something
does he just appear
tawdry fossil
Tiny vermin will take me more time and drain my revives
yeah i will say tiny vermin fight takes a long time
pure karma
No, but I wanna minimize the chance as much as possible
signal aspen
lol
tawdry fossil
it keeps going underground
reef zodiac
Tiny vermin will take me more time and drain my revives
Then either git gud at vermin, get over your apparently paralyzing terror, or just lose to TD
signal aspen
bruh moment
pure karma
I am not gonna lose to TD1 lmao
reef zodiac
Oh
pure karma
If I was doing TD3 then maybe I would have to change my strategy
reef zodiac
If you wanted to save yourself actual real life time as well
pure karma
If I wanted to save real life time I wouldn't be talking to you
reef zodiac
Also if you wanted to have more hp on average for Hades
signal aspen
If I wanted to save real life time I wouldn't be talking to you
chad
reef zodiac
Since tiny vermin is only a 1 in 5
signal aspen
sigma male mentality
reef zodiac
But big Styx rooms are a 1 in 1
pure karma
Ok, you are right, end of story
reef zodiac
I know 
reef zodiac
Maybe you want to improve your gameplay strategy
pure karma
I did it again
reef zodiac
gray apex
arguing with pancake is for the brave only
reef zodiac
slim geyser
signal aspen
imagine being afraid to argue with a pancake
last veldt
And non-guys
signal aspen
guys gals non binary pals
brisk trail
I just realised I don’t remember anything about this game
slim geyser
haha mood
slim geyser
salut !
umbral parrot
dudeee
charon smacked me to death because i borrowed some coins
i never thought this would happen
signal aspen
"borrow"
signal aspen
you get a 20% discount on all shop items for that run
and 300 obols
and if you kill him you never see him again
slim geyser
yeah
umbral parrot
and if you kill him you never see him again
Really?
slim geyser
so sigil call is great right
reef zodiac
so sigil call is great right
Situationally, yes
slim geyser
for speedrunning
umbral parrot
~~yes~~ no
signal aspen
yeah sigil good for speedrunning
slim geyser
no just general speedrunning, specifically eris
reef zodiac
Definitely for Eris yeah
umbral parrot
i love Lady Aphrodite
she always says nice things
like artemis
and every other god
slim geyser
posideon isnt nice
pseudo kernel
i really like all the gods bc they are so funny sometimes. Its rarely ever nice things that they say that make me like them more its usually mean things
umbral parrot
I mean..
I wanted to get to olympus and thought thats what happens when you beat hades
for a while
pseudo kernel
fair enough its what i thought
manic bobcat
and every other god
Ares
tawdry fossil
I wanted to get to olympus and thought thats what happens when you beat hades
would have been fun to atleast get there
finite lodge
I like how each god is so different from one another.
finite lodge
I wanted to get to olympus and thought thats what happens when you beat hades
Yeah, the game tricked us.
tawdry fossil
I would have liked to atleast visit olympus, even if it was only once
would be cool to see all the gods together
fast willow
imagine being afraid to argue with a pancake
desert tundra
does Blood Frenzy work on tooth keepsake?
iron oyster
fair enough its what i thought
I was wondering where Persephone was from the beginning
Like, was zag a bastard?
And I was also wondering which period myths it was from
Titan war? Before the Olympus was complete with 12 gods and goddesses? Before the illiad or after? Stuff like that
pseudo kernel
yeah i was very excited by all the possiblities
brisk trail
yes
pseudo kernel
man that was such a fun run
i died so imma look at what boons i had, hunting blades came in handy as they usually do, this run was to test out new mapping of my comtroller but i ended up going the full run
slicing shot lv 6, raczor shoals lv 4, wave pounding lv2 engulfing vortext, hunting blades, deadly flourish, divine strike, typhoon’s fury and breaking wave. also done with aspect of talos which made it really snappy
leaden birch
the chiron run I had just now was
pretty fun too
posted my build in victory stuff
brisk trail
does explosive return get buffed by special boon effects?
dreamy heath
hello! I was wondering if this was a bug: after an entry is complete in the codex, the last entry of text to be unlocked remains bolded as if it had just been unlocked. if it's not a bug, it would a small quality of life change - the codex looks as if it's always incomplete because of this :((
gray apex
It’s always bold if I’m not mistaken, not a bug
I think it’s meant to show the stuff that Zag completed himself after taking the Codex from Achilles
dreamy heath
really? the bolded text shifts, though - when you first start playing, it's the first couple lines, by the time you complete an entry, it's the last few lines
but it's always bolded as if to indicate what you last unlocked
it would be neat if it stopped being bold once you read the last piece of text in a completed entry
brisk trail
does explosive return get buffed by special boon effects?
do anyone know 
high island
does explosive return get buffed by special boon effects?
Yes.
brisk trail
desert tundra
does Blood Frenzy work on tooth keepsake?
gonna bump this too to see if anyone knows
reef zodiac
Yes
desert tundra
cool thanks
umbral parrot
would have been fun to atleast *get* there
You know i imagined fights with olympus gods too
brisk trail
does damage reduction stack additively
raw herald
No
strong ridge
multiplicative
raw herald
Additive damage reduction would be super strong
brisk trail
it would indeed
leaden birch
got an epic artemis strike as the first boon on lucifer
should help I think
green laser
!1
brisk trail
correct me if I'm wrong but would hallowed ground + weak be a 58% damage reduction?
raw herald
Yep
last veldt
Oh yes
reef zodiac
No
But if I get broken resolve, does that stack additively with the base 30% from weak? Or is the wording misleading
raw herald
Yep
brisk trail
pseudo kernel
man that was the most fun i have had on the hades fight yet, it was just perfect all my boons coming together to make a dad destroying machine
and it was my fastest time by 5 minutes less than the last
strong ridge
winner
strong ridge
purple and green and purple and green
brisk trail
if you have 4 gods in your pool, does fated authority only switch between those 4?
I don't use it but I'm curious anyway
reef zodiac
TIL there are two sides on mirror
Yeah and there’s a few that are way better on the green side (specifically Dark Foresight instead of Olympian Favor and Fated Persuasion instead of Fated Authority)
brisk trail
^^what he said
candid laurel
