h1-discussion

[meager ridge]

but i'm considering it

[lone kernel]

You gotta just keep trying until you get it

And it won’t come easy

But it will come

That’s the whole point

[lament pagoda]

@meager ridge IMO you should just keep going until the combat clicks
That's what I did with Bloodborne and I borderline hated the game until then

Also maybe listen to a podcast or something lol
This is like the perfect podcast game for me and I just found out you can play spotify from the PS in game

[manic bobcat]

nice

[void vigil]

god mode is literally a feature built into the game, how is it cheap

[manic bobcat]

yeah i love roguelite games, it can be quite zen to play once you are proficient at the game

[meager ridge]

idk honestly

[twin thistle]

bow is great with every aspect, not so much un upgraded. nemesis aspect for the sword is really good with the right boons and hammers and in general merciful end builds are really good with the sword

[meager ridge]

well for me, this is about as zen as gouging out one of my eyes and compressing it in a garlic crusher

[lament pagoda]

For me it has some of the appeal of Fromsoft games but I got tired of those after a while and gave them up
I've been thinking of trying a roguelike and my friend mentioned this is his favorite game ever so I bought it

[void vigil]

can you please relax with the gross descriptions?

[manic bobcat]

it is like that at first, but once you are used to it, it becomes better.
don't underestimate your ability to learn and adapt. but you need to learn and adapt.
complaining while not thinking of what you are doing wrong doesn't help.
most of the times i see your message here it's about losing or dying without telling us what and how things went wrong, what enemies killed you, etc. that's not how you adapt, that's how you torture yourself.

[manic bobcat]

yeah, as a "roguelite enthusiast," I love hades

i love games that are familiar yet are not, yknow

Hades combat is familiar after a while but fresh enough with builds and whatnot

it's a content self generating system. it's brilliant. this applies to roguelites in general, too.

[slim iris]

Hi

Can anyone tell me what “restore to the threshold” means

[manic bobcat]

is that from a dionysus boon?

[slim iris]

Yeah

[meager ridge]

you resurrect yourself in this game by rising from a pool of blood

[slim iris]

Idk what it does

[gray apex]

Restore to a certain point basically

[twin thistle]

like healthwise? if under a certain amount of hp, heal to that lvl of hp

[gray apex]

Depending on rarity

[manic bobcat]

let's say you are at 10% health, the next room you would be healed to the threshold aka 30% or something like that

it's just healing after a room.

[slim iris]

Oh thx

I had no idea what it did

[gray apex]

Top tier boon

To sell

[manic bobcat]

yeah if your health is full obviously it wont do a thing

[whole comet]

some of the boons, i still didn't get it

like the one that said "resist some damage" from... dio i think?

or was it aphro?

[manic bobcat]

both

Dio is take less damage under 40% health
Aphro is take less damage in general (or something like that)
Athena has that, too.

[whole comet]

then, prolly aphro

cause Athena resists all damage, but Aphro's boon only resist some

[void vigil]

your message was way more graphic than that but sure. either way, my point still stands, cut it out. this is a case of our second rule that is a little different in the subject but still applies here - "Some language may be more offensive to others than it is to you; if you are called on your language, take the feedback."

[meager ridge]

alright

[manic bobcat]

The condition for damage reduction is:
Dio: under a certain amount of HP
Aphro: only damage from nearby enemies
Athena: general damage

[whole comet]

oh nearby

so if Hades spear throw far away i would do 100%, but if he's next to me i would take less?

[manic bobcat]

think so.
the range is 400. for reference, a bow shot is around 700 range i think

so you should be quite close.

[whole comet]

ic. thx!

r u playing with low heat?

if u wanna have an easier time, u could try go for Athena/Demeter duo boon Stubborn roots

in that case, even if u lose all DD, u could still just drag the fight and wait for hp regen

[twin thistle]

10 minute dad fight

[meager ridge]

heat 4

[meager ridge]

i have stubborn roots rn

[whole comet]

then, when ur hp is low, try just forgetting fighting and run around

or even better, clear all 5 styx rooms would be easy

[gray apex]

OR

Sell stubborn roots

And buy a dd

Big brain

[meager ridge]

i just lost ANOTHER DEATH DEFIANCE.

[whole comet]

i dun mind, as long as u win lol

[meager ridge]

oh thank god

i can replenish my death defiances from that guy

[twin thistle]

or just like

[meager ridge]

theseus killed

[twin thistle]

make a build with actual dps

[meager ridge]

alright i'm entering styx with full health and all dd

[dusky wedge]

Good luck!

[lament pagoda]

I dont understand how ppl get past some of the bullet hell parts without Aegis

[ripe otter]

When I get back to my house I’m gonna start running DD instead of SD

[manic bobcat]

Dash gives i frames

So time it, or just tank it

Which i also often do, more than i want to admit xD

[dusky wedge]

Kill them before they kill you

[meager ridge]

i hate styx

[dusky wedge]

Then buy healing at next room

[meager ridge]

the toxic sludge is my main grudge with it

sure, you have curing stations

[ripe otter]

I need to stop being a pathetic piece of garbage which is what SD makes me

[meager ridge]

but the rooms are way too small

especially with the amount of rats that spawn

[lament pagoda]

SD?

[ripe otter]

Stubborn Defiance

[lament pagoda]

Idk what that is

[manic bobcat]

Sword Dance

[lament pagoda]

...

[manic bobcat]

You get +2 Attack stages after using it.

[meager ridge]

and i just lost a death defiance

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[ripe otter]

Death defiance but it’s every room but only heals 30%

And you can only have one max

But it recharges every room

[dusky wedge]

Scyther let’s gooo

[lament pagoda]

DD already doesnt heal that much

[meager ridge]

and i didn't get the satyr sack

here we go again

[manic bobcat]

SD is almost a must if you want to push really high heat

[ripe otter]

DD is 50%, Stubborn is 30%

[manic bobcat]

But 32heat and below I personally prefer DD

[ripe otter]

I’m not gonna try high heat anytime soon

[meager ridge]

ok

i have 3 death defiances and full health

[lament pagoda]

3? Isnt the max two?

[meager ridge]

no

the max is 4

[dusky wedge]

Max is 6

[meager ridge]

oh thank god

[void vigil]

the max is 3, the third just costs a lot

[dusky wedge]

Default is 3

[whole comet]

with skelly, usually it's easy to go 4

[ripe otter]

Theoretically, yes, six is the true max. But default is just three. You gotta get the Athena boon, skelly, and Chaos to make it work. Well technically it’s 9 because Patroclus can refill all DDs

[void vigil]

chaos can give you more than one

[ripe otter]

Oh so the max is, in theory, infinite

[daring otter]

I just saw an update on steam, what does it contain?

[chrome wharf]

probably capped by the number of shops you can buy Light of Ixion

[void vigil]

also athena doesnt add a dd, she only replenishes it

she only adds it in the case of SD

[meager ridge]

i lost ANOTHER death defiance

i might as well already die

i'm down to 2

[void vigil]

its normal to lose death defiances in the final fight...

[dusky wedge]

2 is still fine for final boss

[twin thistle]

better than 0

[void vigil]

i used to lose all of them all the time and still win

[meager ridge]

AND ANOTHER ONE

[manic bobcat]

Most likely bug fixes

[lone kernel]

Ok so my aphro cast beowulf build just lost like half its range vs dad what happened is this a bug

I had an natural Poseidon and Artemis both in tart I’m sad

[twin thistle]

maybe youd lose less if you focused a bit more on playing

[meager ridge]

have you heard of this nifty little thing called the pause button?

it's pretty cool to hear about if you've only been playing atari 2600 all your life

for christ's sake

my final death defiance lost

now i have one shot

[mint coral]

Did you sell your attack/upgraded flare rarity?

[whole comet]

hey, found something odd

[meager ridge]

FINALLY

I KILLED HADES AGAIN

for like the 4th time

still have to kill him 6 times though

[whole comet]

normally the money fee perk only increase boon or other items, not the blood/gem, right?

[manic bobcat]

Kinda.

[whole comet]

and charon membership should decrease the blood/gem price

[meager ridge]

screw it, i'm just gonna skip the dialogue

i do not care anymore

[lone kernel]

i did sell my attack

[mint coral]

That caused it

If you do any of those 2 actions passion flare AoE gets reverted to base cast AoE

[manic bobcat]

Interesting.

[meager ridge]

bruh

i thought aspects stacked

[vagrant grove]

no

[whole comet]

https://imgur.com/a/aZp8hZn

the blood is still 1.2k with membership card 😦

[manic bobcat]

Sadge

You have more chambers to go though

Farm those up my guy

[vagrant grove]

big item in shop isn't modified by price changes

[mint coral]

RI2

[twin thistle]

huh

i thought it was

[manic bobcat]

Doesn't look good for Hades anyway

[mint coral]

Blood gets affected by vip afaik

[vagrant grove]

really?

[mint coral]

Saw it at 960 the other day in charon shop

[chrome wharf]

I heard that if you have both CF and the member card, the premium currency's price won't change from base

[whole comet]

normally it should yeah

[twin thistle]

when ive gone into styx with membership card ive seen it discounted yeah

[vagrant grove]

probably just because I usually only take Charon on CF

[whole comet]

i'm sure when the price fee is up, it does not increase that

[twin thistle]

also what is that pact

[chrome wharf]

CF + card will reset the price of that

[whole comet]

just random lol

[mint coral]

I almost never run CF anyways so idk

[chrome wharf]

it's TD aversion

[twin thistle]

td3 is fine with boonless hestia tbh

[vagrant grove]

TDx is free heat until TD3 imo

[meager ridge]

can't believe aspects don't stack

[twin thistle]

a lot of them really arent compatible you know if you read the descriptions

[vagrant grove]

if they did it would be overpowered lol, 5 beyblades after a single bull rush, some are just completely incompatible

[twin thistle]

hidden aspects have completely different movesets

and yeah itd be ridiculously overpowered

[meager ridge]

damn

[vagrant grove]

achilles spear with hades' spin and zag's special damage

[void vigil]

why would they stack? each one of them transforms the weapon in a different way

[mint coral]

Thats what are mods for

Chaos + zeus looks legit funny

[twin thistle]

zeus^3

[whole comet]

ic

[manic bobcat]

if i have a dollar for every time someone thinks aspects should stack, i would have 2 dollars. which is not a lot but it's weird that it happened twice

[chrome wharf]

what speed will they move at?

[vagrant grove]

no you'd have a lot of money

[void vigil]

ive seen a lot of people who think aspects stack but i dont understand it, the game makes it pretty clear only one is activated at a time

[meager ridge]

it would be cool tho ngl

[manic bobcat]

like someone said, you can mod it

[mint coral]

If you are in the modding server i think someone posted vids about fusing all aspects

[manic bobcat]

yeah

[meager ridge]

too bad i'm playing on xbox

[manic bobcat]

oh sadge

[vagrant grove]

some people like me forget to read desc of aspects, not the fault of the game but that's probably why people think aspects stack

[meager ridge]

I JUST GOT CORNERED BY 3 BOMBS, REDUCING MY HEALTH TO 59/100

great game 10/10 goty

[twin thistle]

cool

[manic bobcat]

just, yknow

dodge

idk xD

[meager ridge]

my dash was on cooldown

dumbass

[manic bobcat]

so what you are saying is

you misused your dash?

[meager ridge]

no

i dashed out of the way of an enemy, and 3 bombs were thrown at me

[manic bobcat]

oh those are vase bombs, not the jumping guys bomb

[meager ridge]

yeah

[manic bobcat]

not trying to say git gud here, but don't they usually have a large travelling time? so it's best not to stand in those area to begin with?

[twin thistle]

also they take a while to blow up after triggering

[vagrant grove]

jeez anger issues be civil, first rule of the server is "be nice"

[meager ridge]

i just lost a dd

and another one

AND ANOTHER ONE

thank god for that one guy who gives you kiss of styx premium

AND ANOTHER ONE?????

AND ANOTHER ONE??!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!?!?!!?

AND I JUST DIED!?!?!!!!?!?!

THIS IS AWFUL WHAT THE HELL

[twin thistle]

@meager ridge

[chilly drum]

Oh we’re doing that thing where we pretend this game is possible to beat ok

[meager ridge]

true

this game is way too focused on rng

[chrome wharf]

radical take:
if you dislike a game,
do: cease playing it
don't: join the server of the literal dev team and unconstructively be a prick

[whole comet]

some youtubers consider themselves beat Hades after 1st encounter lol, so yes

[meager ridge]

the thing is

this game irritates me

but i still want to play it somehow

i do not know why

like a very mild version of stockholm syndrome

[chilly drum]

That’s the beauty of it

[meager ridge]

wait

i know why i still want to beat it

[whole comet]

could be a bad thing

[meager ridge]

because i want this to stop teasing me

every time i want to give up, i play again a week later

[whole comet]

if you rage so much lol

[twin thistle]

it really doesn't rely much on rng if youve upgraded the mirror especially at low heat

[meager ridge]

i have every part of the mirror

with most of it maxed out

what else do i need to do

[twin thistle]

well have an understanding of what boons are good and how to get to them ig

use keepsakes, get duos, become op

[whole comet]

i guess if u want suggestion about build, u can ask that on build-combat tab

[twin thistle]

or just browse victory screens

theres a countless number of builds you can win the game with

[chrome wharf]

and non-builds too

[twin thistle]

shackle hestia, call it a day

[sour elk]

Like other heavy-RNG games, it’s about learning how to minimize the impact of probability

[manic bobcat]

Hades RNG is the lowest of the roguelites I have seen, also

[sour elk]

Yes, it is nice in that way.

[spare tiger]

any news of the Zag nenderoid?

[manic bobcat]

What's nenderoid?

[chrome wharf]

plastic figure thingy

[manic bobcat]

Huh

[chrome wharf]

it's in announcements, somewhere

the very latest one in fact

[void vigil]

no news other than the announcement that ive seen

[manic bobcat]

Actually, when is SGG sitcom coming out?

[void vigil]

same for the popup parade figure

[chrome wharf]

I'm working on an episode

[manic bobcat]

You are supposed to ask what sitcom so I can say sitcom deez nuts...

[void vigil]

but im eagerly awaiting more news... i want the zagreus figures to keep my red figure company

[chrome wharf]

I live too deep under the sea to understand that joke

[manic bobcat]

Then you are blessed

[chrome wharf]

squeaky dad figure when

[meager ridge]

ok i think i'll kill hades this time

just lost 2 death defiances

killed him

time to skip dialogue and do it again

and again

and again

and again

[reef zodiac]

🆗

[modern garnet]

Congrats

[meager ridge]

time for my 6th hades kill if i make it

[crimson ore]

Why are you such a walking L

@meager ridge

[meager ridge]

i don't know, why are you daddy's issue?

according to your bio

[reef zodiac]

[crimson ore]

walks away in a troll-y fashion

[void vigil]

be kind, yall

keep the rules in mind

[whole comet]

why i do get some Nyx's angry flashback O_O

[uncut dagger]

okay time for the 3,587th asking of this question

there's an update, does anyone know what it added?

[void vigil]

if there were no patch notes, it is likely just bug fixes and such

[uncut dagger]

ah, okay

thanks!

[chilly drum]

starts yo-mamaing

[whole comet]

until the 3588th times 😄

[meager ridge]

i hate how you have to kill hades 9 times to get the ending

it's annoying

[whole comet]

well, if you know that much

u will at least get an easy blood/gem

[twin thistle]

you dont even care about the ending, ofc its annoying

[split owl]

Imagine coming to a Hades server just to complain about Hades.

[reef zodiac]

who would do that

[whole comet]

useful feedback, some might say

[manic bobcat]

if there is such a person, i just have a hunch their name would be fred

this is a work of fiction, any resemblance to reality is coincidence. this is not the official stance of the Supergiant Games server.

[meager ridge]

cursed slash is pretty decent

[manic bobcat]

it is

[meager ridge]

good risk, good reward

[reef zodiac]

Actually ||my name isn’t Fred||

[void vigil]

one time i took the anvil on arthur and thought it would be really funny if it gave me cursed slash and guess what i got from it

[meager ridge]

cursed slash?

g'night chat

[manic bobcat]

Night

[meager ridge]

or is it?

vsauce music starts playing

[whole comet]

i'm so bad at boonless run...

won the whole run, but got that big shop trip message... now gotta redo it agian

[brisk trail]

hades

[split owl]

Trying to beat my 21st run clear failed miserably. I'm up to 24 runs and still haven't even faced Hades yet.

[vagrant grove]

y i k e s

[whole comet]

oh well, take ur time

[vagrant grove]

it took me 50 runs to reach Hades for the first time, don't feel bad lol, you'll get him eventually

[split owl]

I got to him in 21 runs and beat him in my first file.

I might be a glutton for punishment though. I just started a fresh file and turned Hell Mode on just to see how long it takes me on a fresh, Hell Mode file.

[whole comet]

i bet u have a great time 😄

if u do enough hell mode fresh and go back normal fresh

normal fresh file is pretty tamed

[split owl]

I really wish it would let me delete saves though. I even tried deleting them manually from the Manage Game page, and when I went in game, they were still there.

[whole comet]

yeah, if theres a button that just let u restart

like those unseed people do

[mint coral]

forgot trap dmg is multiplicative lmao, elysium witch eated a 17998 dmg bomb

[twin thistle]

dang

[brisk trail]

does that mean zag would also eat an 18k dmg bomb

[mint coral]

was through stygian shards so nope

[twin thistle]

enemies also take higher base trap damage

[mint coral]

lvl 21 drunken strike, this is fine

21600 from those axes traps in styx lmao

[bright reef]

Why is shield so good

It literally blocks every attack hades throws at me

[void vigil]

you need to delete the files while the game is open, btw

[brisk trail]

Imagine if boss can take that damage

[split owl]

I did that too and they just came back.

[mint coral]

you can do it in dad fight iirc

idk how many stygyan shards you would need tho

[stray saffron]

Tfw pos isn't giving me tidal dash

[rapid forum]

well

you make do

[amber cloak]

Earlier today I found out that after you get boons from 4+ gods you only get boons from those gods but how do god keepsakes play into it once you have your "pool" of gods. Does the god stick around if you switch keepsakes after or do you end up having the chance for 5 different gods

[mint coral]

chance for 5 gods

[amber cloak]

Oh that's cool thanks

So I guess hypothetically you could end up having up to 7 different gods (not counting Chaos)

Which actually thinking about it is a strat for people running Familiy Favorite

[mint coral]

except that your chances to actually get a decent build would be reduced with how many gods you would see

[twin thistle]

even with family favorite, a huge god pool isnt a good idea yeah

[stray saffron]

I have the pos/zeus duo but no pos dash

I'm being cursed

[twin thistle]

actually could get 8 plus hermes with some weird charon shop rng

get three before tart mid shop, next room is a non pool god, also selling a different non pool one

then 3 more from keepsakes

not really realistic though

[mint coral]

can you get both mistery boon and a normal boon in one shop?

[amber cloak]

I mean ig the question would be whether a permanent 20-25% dmg buff is worth the bigger pool

[twin thistle]

the answer is nah lol

[amber cloak]

Fair lol

[mint coral]

you get that much from your standard god pool anyways

[reef zodiac]

Yeah you definitely wouldn’t want that though

[rapid forum]

I accidentally got that once

got 5 gods in tartarus, thought to myself "what the hell"

got chaos too

[ripe otter]

Had a run, first with DD in a while, where I ended off the hades fight having lost, in total throughout the run, 4/5 death defiances with two of them not even being from my base total, got defiance from chaos, lost it in Elysium, then got it back from Patroclus. Lost three against hades though, but it’s cause I was playing mega aggressive because of the build I posted in #h1-victory-boasting and 22% damage from butterfly

Btw fit pact I had EM2 and HL1

[rare gazelle]

whats in the update just patches?

[random kestrel]

wtf cluster bomb is broken

its insane

especially with aspect of eris

[twin thistle]

now combine it with rocket bomb

[manic bobcat]

Cluster rocket aka Stark tech rocket in iron man 1

[marsh rivet]

may as well be thanos snap

[random kestrel]

I don't really like rocket bomb bc it makes eris almost useless

Can it be combined with the triple missile thing

That would make me unstoppable

[reef zodiac]

What??

No

It’s very very good with Eris

By far the best Eris hammer imo

And Cluster Rockets are actually broken

Every special does (literally) 400 base damage, and pretty much instantly too

[random kestrel]

Wait but I need to absorb the blast

And the rocket flies away from me

[reef zodiac]

It’s easy

[dull niche]

gotta get up close n personal with the enemies

give em a nice hug

[reef zodiac]

Must be close to the enemies

You can also do it to a wall

[random kestrel]

I don't like that 😰

That's why I don't use melee

Camping ftw

[reef zodiac]

Lame

And also worse

[dull niche]

dude relax lol

[reef zodiac]

Especially because dash strikes do double damage

Lol sorry

[random kestrel]

Lol jk I love gun bc you run around blasting up all the enemies

[dull niche]

you can also just rocket to a wall or object like they said to get the buff

[random kestrel]

Plus haha funny gun

[reef zodiac]

I keep way more distance with Guan Yu than I do with Eris

[random kestrel]

K I'll do cluster bomb if I can hope I get lucky

[reef zodiac]

Tidal Dash Eris is really good

You should try it

[random kestrel]

What does tidal dash do for eris

[reef zodiac]

100+ damage per dash if you pom it

[random kestrel]

Wtf

[reef zodiac]

Since it benefits from the global damage buff

[random kestrel]

That's insane

[reef zodiac]

Plus the knockback gives you more safety to be aggressive

[random kestrel]

But isn't dmg buff from eris just for normal attack

[reef zodiac]

Plus Poseidon has 4 amazing T2s to go along with it

[reef zodiac]

No, it’s for literally everything

[random kestrel]

Oh shoot that's good

I didn't realize how good eris was lol

[reef zodiac]

Like literally everything. Doom. Your special (including the one that gives you the buff). Lightning. Hangover. Summons (I think). Your dash boon.

[dull niche]

not summons

[reef zodiac]

Oh ok not summons

[random kestrel]

Hangover too?

[dull niche]

eris gives a buff to all damage which has zag as a source, i believe

[random kestrel]

You sure?

[reef zodiac]

Yep

100%

[dull niche]

summon source is the other character

but yes it does buff hangover

[reef zodiac]

People do drunken Eris for high heat

[reef zodiac]

Ah gotcha

[random kestrel]

Ok that's great bc I love hangover :D

It's a lot of extra dmg

[reef zodiac]

Zeus is better than Hangover attack as long as you can get jolted though. So people only do hangover for AP2 RIx

[random kestrel]

I have hangover and jolt on lightning dash on the run I'm in rn B)

[reef zodiac]

Hangover > Base Zeus Attack
Zeus attack with jolted >> Hangover

Thunder dash

[random kestrel]

But Im not playing rn bc of he

Hw

[random kestrel]

Bruh thunder is literally the sound

[reef zodiac]

One of my least favorite boons in the game. But not necessarily a terrible boon, although definitely not great

[random kestrel]

What are these devs doinggg

[reef zodiac]

??

[full nexus]

It's not weird ok

[random kestrel]

It's rly good with jolted bc you add jolted to literally everything

[reef zodiac]

You only need one source of jolted

[random kestrel]

I know, it's coming from dash

[reef zodiac]

A second source of jolted is totally unnecessary

[random kestrel]

My attack has hangover

[reef zodiac]

And Thunder dash does pitiful damage

[random kestrel]

But that 113 jolted tho

[reef zodiac]

It does less than a third of tidal dash and way less AOE

[random kestrel]

I got epic

[reef zodiac]

Yeah, that’s why I do Zeus attack

Btw jolted benefits from Eris buff as well

[full nexus]

Yeah thunder is kinda sad

Except on RR Gilgamesh with the whole Zeus package

[marsh rivet]

I mean the dash is allowed to benefit from Splitting Botl

[full nexus]

That's super fun

[random kestrel]

[marsh rivet]

So at least it has a niche

[dull niche]

splitting bolt thunder dash is so funny

[reef zodiac]

It’s not worthless, but also just use the attack, especially on Eris

[random kestrel]

Lmao @reef zodiac your about me is perfect

[reef zodiac]

I’d rather have tidal dash than splitting bolt Thunder dash tbh

[marsh rivet]

...

[dull niche]

if you dont want 4 zeus cores with splitting bolt ur playing the game wrong

[random kestrel]

Sharp shadow <<<<<

[marsh rivet]

That's an opinion lol

[reef zodiac]

The knockback effect is super good for Eris safety, and the damage is about as good. It also scales much much better with poms

[chrome wharf]

but it looks cool and one can meme with it

[reef zodiac]

Nah I hate that charm

I’d rather use compass for P5 than SShadow

Does almost no damage and the dash distance is worthless

[random kestrel]

Hmmm I'll do you one better: shape of unn and Sprint master are good

Fight me B)

[reef zodiac]

They’re not but ok

They’re both better than SShadow at least

[random kestrel]

He a slug

[chrome wharf]

Shape of Unn is cute

[reef zodiac]

But this is off topic

[random kestrel]

A fast slug

True

[chrome wharf]

wiggle wiggle wiggle

[random kestrel]

Let's get off of off topic

[reef zodiac]

Sprintmaster doesn’t affect SoU btw

You’re thinking of Quick Focus

[full nexus]

What lmao

[reef zodiac]

[random kestrel]

🙃

grub noises

Anyway, divine flourish, amirite?

[meager ridge]

off to styx i go

i must say, cursed slash has been really helpful

[rapid forum]

glad you find it a lot more useful than I do

[meager ridge]

ok

full health

cursed slash

all death defiances

we're going on a hades hunt

hades killed

time to do it again

i'll use the spear this time

for just the slightest amount of variation

[meager ridge]

should i steal charon's sack

[dusky wedge]

Charon is pretty unforgiving, so unless you’re ready to face him, don’t face him

[meager ridge]

because everything has to be soul-crushingly hard in this game

[dusky wedge]

You’re welcome to try though, but of course, know that it might set you back a little if you lose a lot of HP fighting him

[meager ridge]

screw it

hp is too valuable in this game to lose

[dusky wedge]

If this run is important to you, don’t try it, otherwise, do whatever you like

[meager ridge]

all runs are important

i want to get this game finished asap

[dusky wedge]

All fair

[split owl]

Hell Mode is fun, even if I do die within the second or third room without having a good mirror yet.

[meager ridge]

what does hell mode do

[gray apex]

5 forced heat point

[split owl]

It forces you to start at Heat 5 automatically.

[gray apex]

That you cant turn off

JS1 CP1 LC1 HL1 PL

[split owl]

I also turn Tight Deadline on just for the hell of it (Mainly because I hate survival rooms and want to disable them).

[rapid forum]

there's an additional mandatory heat exclusive to hell mode. Personal Liability which strips away i-frame when hit.

[meager ridge]

what the hell is wrong with supergiant

[gray apex]

Nothing

[split owl]

Hades is the best game in history - Fight me.

[rapid forum]

it's not as hard as you think

[meager ridge]

god damn it

[split owl]

I beat Hades for the first time after 21 runs.

[meager ridge]

i just lost a death defiance

[gray apex]

Nice

[meager ridge]

it's the greatest game in history if it's the only game you've played

[split owl]

The only reason I hadn't faced him after 26 runs on my most recent save is that I kept suiciding to collect prophecy rewards.

I mean...you'd be hardpressed to name a game I haven't played, and I consider it one of my all time favorites.

[meager ridge]

terraria?

i think that game's a masterpiece

[split owl]

Not a fan.

[meager ridge]

portal 2?

[split owl]

Okay, I'll say it's my favorite Roguelike - is that better? lol

[meager ridge]

i'm not forcing you to change your opinion

[split owl]

And literally nothing is wrong with Supergiant - They added features to make the game easier for people who can't handle the difficulty curve, and harder for people who find the game too easy.

There are people who find it too easy - For instance, that guy who literally cleared Hades on a fresh file in under 36 minutes.

[meager ridge]

jesus christ

[split owl]

Personally, I'm on the fence, because while I find Hades way easier then Dead Cells (I haven't even made it to the first boss on 0BC), it's still not the easiest game I've ever played.

[meager ridge]

time to kill hades

again

i probably won't win this time but i might as well try

[gray apex]

I honestly don’t know how id compare the 2, but I somewhat agree that Dead Cells is quite difficult

[meager ridge]

just lost a death defiance

[split owl]

Funny story - When I beat Hades the first time using Death Defiance, I switched to Stubborn Defiance just to troll him....and actually won.

[meager ridge]

and another one

AND ANOTHER ONE

[rapid forum]

so few weeks ago, I tried cold embrace hera... on EM4. Do I recommend it? yes, Have I finally lost it? also yes.

[meager ridge]

GOD DAMN IT

I JUST DIED

[gray apex]

Stubborn Defiance high heat meta

[split owl]

I honestly don't think I've ever played a run where I cared what boons/weapon upgrades I took..I just wing it and still crack off wins. LMAO

[whole comet]

i would give Hades game of the year 2020 over TLOU2

[split owl]

If I can, I take things that empower Dash-Strike, since that's my main thing, so either Dash, Dash-Strike or Attack ...but otherwise I just pick whatever boon I like at the time.

[meager ridge]

this is awful

this game depends way too much on rng

[split owl]

Isn't RNG literally the name of the game for Roguelikes?

[meager ridge]

yes

doesn't mean it can't be awful

[split owl]

Another game I'm really liking right now is Crown Trick, but it took me like 2 months to even get past Tria for the first time.

[whole comet]

well, i think until you're high heat, any RNG should be beatable

so tbh, i don't really see any problem

though i guess TD3 would hate Styx RNG?

[meager ridge]

what is td3

[whole comet]

tight deadline 3, 5 min per region, and if u go overtime, u take damage until u die

so Styx if u get unlucky, u gotta clear all 5 rooms, which could be bad..

[meager ridge]

what the hell

5 minutes?

for an entire level of the underworld?

[split owl]

Yes, but any remaining time gets added to your timer, so if you can speed through Meg (I've beaten her in 2 and a half minutes once), you'll have 7 and a half to clear Asphodel.

[whole comet]

i didn't do it, but i assume those do TD3 just already used some of the best build in game to play

instead of random

[meager ridge]

oh

[whole comet]

and also some time-saving tricks

[split owl]

Tight Deadline 1, at the very least, is recommended if you want to try to speedrun, because it gets rid of the survival rooms where you have to survive for 45 seconds.

[whole comet]

u can prolly go ask in high heat strat for detail if interested

even slow, u normally would clear one run in roughly 35-45 min

so TD1 is like free heat most of the time

[split owl]

I can't even suicide right. I went to watch The Walking Dead while Zag was just standing in a room full of enemies. Come back over an hour later and I'm still alive, without any lost DD's.

[whole comet]

TD2 would be like standard, most people like to do that

[fast willow]

it's better than free heat since survival rooms are kinda boring since the optimal method for those is to just dash circles around the room

[whole comet]

i see, but RIP the chests 😦

or fishing

even fishing pauses time, i dun see people would do it

[vapid narwhal]

people pushing high heat usually dont bother with fishing in the first place

[last veldt]

But feeesh

[dusky wedge]

Actually, it’s the opposite, this game is way less leaning on RNG

There’s so many times I just roll with the same exact setups in a row

Compared to other roguelites I’ve played, this game has much less RNG imo

[vapid narwhal]

1), RNG is the name of the genre, and the beauty lies in your ability to adapt and build upon what you have

2), Hades have a lot of ways to let players control certain aspects of RNG, arguably moreso than most Roguelites

[high island]

Other roguelites can put you in unwinnable situations maybe because of RNG... but losing in Hades at low Heat is 100% due to player skill. A good build can help you win a run, but if you lose a run, it's always due to mistakes that you made that had nothing to do with the quality of your build.

It's a very fair game in that way.

[whole comet]

dun even know there's lots of roguelite games out there that lets u set difficult in similar ways

20XX is one i can think of

Bastion's supergiant own games, so dun count

[calm harness]

welp, I retried a run with guan yu followed you guys advices

indeed, special spamming did the trick

still not a fun weapon......ironically it ended up being the run where the final boss just let you pass

[calm harness]

now to tame Lucifer

[brisk trail]

aphrodite call + that hermes bonus speed damage boon = oof

5000 damage in one shot is nice

[calm harness]

ehehe

I might try that, for the fun

[split owl]

Can someone seriously tell me how to delete a save? I've tried deleting this one save 200 times now and it keeps coming back after I close the game.

[gray apex]

Could try asking in #h1-tech-support

[signal aspen]

Delete it and then start another save in that slot

[split owl]

That's not what I want - I only want one active save, but I started a fresh file originally in the second slot without realizing they had a persistent save thing. I want to delete the one in the second slot and keep the one in the first.

[void vigil]

well, tech support would be the channel for that

[spare tiger]

Pretty sure there's a trash can icon when you're on your save file screen

[marsh rivet]

And I think this more or less applies until you start taking RNG pacts like AP, RI and TD3. Mostly every run is completable until you take one or more of those.

And even of those three, TD matters the most since without a timer restriction you're just looking at a bad build if ap or ri screw you over. The run is still completable.

[vapid narwhal]

for people doing high heat consistently TD3 isnt usually an issue

AP and RI are really bad tho

[marsh rivet]

TD3 is always an issue after a point. In fact it's usually ends up being the issue once you're trying for a personal best. Either way though, as I mentioned, without a timer looming over your head, a bad build doesn't mean a run can't be finished. The game is really just not that RNG heavy for most people.

[fast willow]

what casts are good for hera bow?

[marsh rivet]

Crush by a solid margin. Phalanx is fine.

[versed vessel]

why is the game keep crashing for me

[lone kernel]

yooo darren korb just dropped a hades music by orchestras on spotify and it is super based

[agile torrent]

i had a good dream about thanzag until i woke up they were just being cute and stuff

[manic bobcat]

based? based on what boi?

[lone kernel]

hades

lol

[lone kernel]

whoa bayonetta picture. i wish she was better in smash

is that not bayonetta?

my bad if so lol

[agile torrent]

yeah it’s my artwork

i’m just confused on how shes bad

[lone kernel]

mostly the bad recovery

but that's probably a me problem tbf

i main zelda so im a bit spoiled teleporting everywhere

[agile torrent]

but again i’m not a regular smash player so i don’t really know much

LOL

with link you do a little spinny

man with sm4sh you could use the hookshot but it’s not in ultimate anymore smh

[random kestrel]

With dk you do a BIG spinny

[lone kernel]

i switched to toon link because the remote bombs annoy me

its like, im 30, please dont make me relearn this game

[agile torrent]

goes back to sleep so i can dream about thanzag again

[lone kernel]

[pure karma]

Question

How many runs on average does it take for someone who has played on normal to beat hades for the first time on hell mode

[marsh rivet]

Unrelated to Hades obviously, so mods forgive, but she's hard to recover with but probably has one of the best recoveries in the game :3

[lone kernel]

yeah, i'm old i wanna just press up b and get back on the stage lol

[high island]

#video-games

[marsh rivet]

I totally feel you LOL. Ain't got time to learn how to recover

[lone kernel]

theres 80 dudes

i got the brain cells for like, 5

[pure karma]

I am being completely ignored

[lone kernel]

but no zag

[lone kernel]

probably 30 ish

[pure karma]

really?

[high island]

I don't think anyone has stats on that.

[pure karma]

What is your personal experience on the matter

Cause I think I will beat this run, and I am on attepmt 14

[lone kernel]

i'm bad at the game tho

[high island]

Probably like within the first 5 runs if you're experienced?

[pure karma]

deleting the file

[lone kernel]

also thats how many i did before i realized i was on hell mode lol

[agile torrent]

i played on god mode cause i suck 😭 beat the first part of the story after like 50 runs

[high island]

As soon as you get Coronacht, it should be GGs.

[pure karma]

Funny way to spell Malphon

[agile torrent]

i think they’re both good

[pure karma]

base bow SUCKS

[high island]

Malphon works but is gonna be harder.

[agile torrent]

i’ve gotten out faster with the bow tbh

[pure karma]

Without upgrades at least

[agile torrent]

chad gun hater

i like all of the weapons except the damn gun. my god

[marsh rivet]

I mean it's pretty measurable I guess. Whatever the rate for people doing 4 heat (it's not the easiest 4 heat in the game but yeah)

[agile torrent]

like it’s only better until i get the daedalus upgrades but it’s annoying on its own lmao

[marsh rivet]

If you're gucci with HL1 LC1 CP1 JS1 then it's not appreciably different than that

[lone kernel]

chad eris and beowulf

[high island]

Base bow is still bow.

[lone kernel]

rama also kind of a chad weapon

[high island]

DPS is great if you get some Chaos Gates.

[pure karma]

That hell mode pact really sucks

[lone kernel]

yeah i mean that's not exactly td1 em2 lol

[pure karma]

I am so used to FO2 and EM3, this base Duo fight without FO2 is a joke

I didn;t even use acorns

[marsh rivet]

I usually get bored waiting for Asterius to actually get to me then get hit.

[pure karma]

I almost got hit because I forgot about the spear

But I have divine dash

so

[marsh rivet]

time to learn Hades on gamecube controller I guess. I'm too lazy. Learning Nick All Stars Brawl and I don't want to keep switching controllers on that port back and forth

[pure karma]

I am satisfied with 14 runs to beat hades on hell mode tbh. If it happens.

[barren ivy]

Wait, is gcc compatible with hades

[marsh rivet]

The new ones yeah, they're just USB now

and have two Z buttons

[chrome wharf]

base bow is better than chiron

[obtuse whale]

What fist aspect should I use for merciful end build?

[signal aspen]

All of them

[obtuse whale]

oH?

[gray apex]

Well yes but Demeter

[obtuse whale]

maybe I should have upgraded demeter instead of chiron

A tierlist ranked it among the top aspects but I don't.. like it

[signal aspen]

Why

6 specials is pog

[obtuse whale]

I end up using my normal attacks

idk why but its stronger than my special

maybe i need to get heart rend ☠️

[marsh rivet]

There are like, a million asterisks for any tier list you will find for this game

[fast willow]

I think chiron is pretty boring tbh

Rama is way more interesting

[marsh rivet]

What heat level, do you figure in relative difficulty, speed vs. completion rate etc.

Popularity is also a factor

In general just play what you like, then if you want visit the other aspects to see if you want to learn them at some point

[upbeat lodge]

Would turning up enemy damage alot learn me to not button mash

Bcs rn i play with just a mouse

[void vigil]

i enjoy demeter aspect lately because i like the powerful special but i played a lot with just plain zagreus aspect for the dodge chance and also a lot with talos because i found pulling enemies to me fun

[chrome wharf]

that, High Security, and using Ruthless Reflex

[twin thistle]

ew one dash

[fast willow]

what does ruthless reflex do

[upbeat lodge]

I'm not giving myself only one dash

[jade zenith]

try playing a slower weapon

[twin thistle]

one dash but dodging stuff gives dmg and dodge chance for 2 seconds

[jade zenith]

so that you actually have to attack in the right places to do any damage

[twin thistle]

can also turn on fo

[fast willow]

that just seems so much worse than extra dash

[high island]

Learning to "not button-mash" or whatever has to come from you. The pacts can only give you an incentive at best.

[twin thistle]

faster attacking enemies means you need to find the right moment to attack or else youll just get hit and stunlocked

[high island]

You can still just brute-force your way through FO2 on its own.

[jade zenith]

if your goal is simply to avoid button mashing then I don't think HL is the pact to go for

I would be playing arthur or rama with FO

[twin thistle]

watching higher level players can help too ig

[high island]

Well, HL5 FO2 HS would be an incentive to not get hit.

[twin thistle]

with high confidence lvl 1 guan yu

[high island]

Doing Pierced Butterfly runs can be an incentive.

[dusky wedge]

Find a rhythm to work with the weapon you’re using

[jade zenith]

bow or shield in general is probably a good idea since you have to hold the attack button

[high island]

Aiming for faster IGTs can be an incentive, too.

[twin thistle]

well shield kinda just blocks everything

[dusky wedge]

Most of the time, it will be button mashing, even if you don’t really mash the same buttons

[fast willow]

for 8 heat would middle management or HL1 + LC1 be better?

[marsh rivet]

MM is kind of just fun

It's a great pact to just have on

[fast willow]

idk i find some MM bossfights to be harder than actual bosses

[twin thistle]

having meg's summon helps a lot

[high island]

I don't think it really matters for 8 Heat tbh.

[fast willow]

alright, so MM, EM2, TD2 is a good setup for 8heat?

[dusky wedge]

HL and LC isn’t worth it for low heat imo

[high island]

Sounds good.

[dusky wedge]

Looks good to me

[stable dagger]

Daily reminder that our god forsaken souls can only be saved by the best girl of hadesgame: Artmeis

[fast willow]

i barely notice HL1 when i have it on though

[dusky wedge]

Artmeis would be furious with her name spelt like that

[high island]

Anything is good at lower heats because you're getting experience with how the pact affects things.

[manic bobcat]

Yeah Archimedes wouldn't allow such trespasses

Spell her name right

[high island]

You better listen if you don't want to become the 🦊's next prey.

[past spire]

Hello everyone, i got a question about Hera bow level upgrade and its effect with stygian soul. Is it for this channel or #h1-builds-and-combat ?

[dusky wedge]

Well, if so, that’s fine, use it then. Obviously, nothing is set in stone here, you can use what you like. For me, I always reserved the 4 upper heat conditions for high heat only

Both channels are fine

[twin thistle]

pretty sure hera bow lvl just has no effect when using stygian

[high island]

Hera doesn't affect Stygian Soul's regeneration time.

No, it has an effect.

[twin thistle]

makes lodge effect longer ig?

[high island]

No, makes it shorter lol.

The bloodstone is still lodged into the enemy and dislodges after some time. It just goes poof into the eternal void or wherever.

[twin thistle]

well at lower lvl itd be longer

[past spire]

So... Since i like using stygian soul with hera bow, i better not upgrade the bow?

[twin thistle]

id only really use stygian for trippy shot

[high island]

No, it's 15s normally. Hera Lv.1 shortens it to 10s.

[twin thistle]

oh okay

[high island]

Stygian Soul works best with Trippy Flare, yeah. The others generally do better with Infernal Soul.

On Hera, anyway.

Well, Slicing Shot and Crystal Beam don't work very well at all on Hera regardless of which one you pick.

[lunar orchid]

lol i have 6 lightning rods with 60% double strike and epic high voltage

[spare tiger]

Hera's the Loaded Cast bow right?

[high island]

Can still make for fun builds, though.

Yes.

[lunar orchid]

the zeus shield with zeus beams is so epic

[signal aspen]

Yes

[past spire]

Thanks for the answer.

[lunar orchid]

dam that was too fun i didnt want to end

so much lightning

[high island]

Time to do more runs.

Maybe you can make it even better this time.

[lunar orchid]

nah that was my morning run, wakes me up better than coffee. 😄

[twin thistle]

why whenever i do a farming run chaos doesnt want to give me his darkness/gem boon

meanwhile at high heat he keeps giving me them

actually is there a way to increase chaos spawn rate

like do certain room like miniboss rooms change the chance

[marsh rivet]

You can save rerolls for Light of Ixion at wells

That's about it

[twin thistle]

hmm k

[whole comet]

i wanna complete the chaos fate list, but he refuses to give me the legend one 😦

[marsh rivet]

kind of an exercise in insanity to intentionally fill out the entire prophecies lol. Probably best to just chip away at it

[gray apex]

I only got it once in my ~420 escape attempts

[marsh rivet]

Yeah it's not super common lol

Probably not as rare as Hermes legendaries if I had to guess though

[twin thistle]

like the requirement is first one chaos boon right

so ig just spam rerolls on your second

egg increases the chance right?

and maybe gods legacy?

actually does pride or legacy affect chaos

[marsh rivet]

Egg does basically nothing lol

[whole comet]

i haven't tried equiped the egg all the time, so dunno that one yet, but god legacy still fails the job 😦

[twin thistle]

thought egg increased legendary chance by 10%

or is that only god boons

[marsh rivet]

Does it? Actually I forgot let me check

[high island]

It does.

[twin thistle]

also bruh

[marsh rivet]

Yeah it does.

[twin thistle]

why do all my farming runs turn into speedruns

[whole comet]

well, it is one of those i wanna get it done asap

[marsh rivet]

LOL I just forgot it affects rarity

[high island]

Refreshing Nectar and Yarn of Ariadne also help.

And Master Chaos's own Favor boons.

[marsh rivet]

It be like that. Helps that Poseidon is already great on Eris lol

[twin thistle]

yep lol

even got seastorm at styx and triple rockets

[high island]

Make sure you run Fated Persuasion.

The main problem is just that you only see 2-3 Chaos Gates in a typical run.

[upbeat lodge]

Guess i lost 3 defiance in tartarus

[whole comet]

maybe i should just use shackle like boonless and focus on chaos gate lol

[high island]

That won't help your chances. The Cosmic Egg will.

[whole comet]

it might not, but will help keep yarn or nectar effect if i didn't often burn them first b4 seeing chaos

[lone kernel]

@twin thistle regarding your victory screen: any tips on going faster with eris

[twin thistle]

uh im not really a speedrunner but it was mainly just spamming dodge into stuff while shooting in their face lol

free rooms generally help a lot

eris is just a really good speedrunning aspect

[lone kernel]

im tryin to get sub-10

my best is 11:59

[twin thistle]

actually with that two sack that couldve been sub 11

and fo2 and em2 even lower

maybe i should try actually speedrunning

[gray apex]

dew it

sub10 first try

[twin thistle]

this run i got two common chaos eclipses

chaos rarity scaling is kinda high

lol another sub 12 though

[high island]

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/ and https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/chamber-layout/

[high island]

Said no Grasp ever.

[twin thistle]

well for eclipse lol

actually does rarity make the curse better or worse?

[high island]

No effect on the curse.

[twin thistle]

ic

[lone kernel]

ty!

[twin thistle]

so literally does nothing on grasp lmao

[high island]

Once upon a time, a rare Grasp was +2 and epic was +3.

[whole comet]

early access?

[high island]

Yeah.

[lone kernel]

that woulda been super based

[whole comet]

stygian soul + EA epic grasp O_O

[high island]

Stygian Soul didn't exist then.

[signal aspen]

Pog

[whole comet]

bummer

[lone kernel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/887084872802373703/image0.jpg?width=507&height=676

[high island]

Fully Loaded was +3.

[lone kernel]

4 stygian casts is super fun

[high island]

https://tenor.com/view/op-overpowered-metal-gear-solid-gif-5379027

[lone kernel]

that run also had an epic auto reload in tartarus

[lunar orchid]

heh ya i just had a run with 6 lightning rods

with all the goodies

[signal aspen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/852263460220829716/Screenshot_321.png

I got 16 casts on beowulf

[whole comet]

would support fire just cast 16 times?

[signal aspen]

No

[twin thistle]

when reroll well of charon but forget you dont have enough gold for chaos

[signal aspen]

It would only go 8 times

I just said 16 because mirage shot doubles the damage of your casts

[whole comet]

oh mirage does not trigger support fire

[full nexus]

it's when you cast

you cast 8 times

[whole comet]

btw, wanna ask about speedrunning

would cold embrace any good? it does increase cast dmg over the other one that auto lock enemies

[full nexus]

by far the worst duo

to me

[whole comet]

agree, just wondering if people found a use to it yet

[full nexus]

I tried really but

[whole comet]

at least, to play to get it working is really more trouble

[full nexus]

if you wanna play demeter crystal clarity is just better

[whole comet]

rather has 10%+ dmg auto lock than 30%+ dmg u gotta play along with it

[short hinge]

Finished the chaos boon prophecy only on my 101st clear on my hell mode file lmao. Didn't remember taking that long on my normal file

[modern garnet]

In theory cold embrace is better but in practice it takes so much mental effort to try and aim it

[chrome wharf]

is that better or worse than buying a well and then getting knocked below the health threshold the next room

[twin thistle]

......

that happened too

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825862916561305643/896101292047482890/unknown.png?width=1179&height=663

wtf

5 sacked

LMAO

and missed two chaos rooms because im dumb

I should probably upgrade my rail....

[gray apex]

Dark foresight

[twin thistle]

I was farming chaos darkness

but tbh not really worth it anyways

got to champs at 7 minutes lol

actually I had bounties for this heat lvl..... so idk why I was even going for chaos eclipse.....

[random kestrel]

Wait where do you get the grasps

I forgor

Or rather, I never knew, but I really wanted to do that

[flint pollen]

Whats the chance of a duo boon showing up if you have both of the prerequisites and assuming you dont have any other random crap influencing the RNG like not having some slots filled?

[gray apex]

Chaos

[random kestrel]

Like the person?

From the chaos Gates?

[twin thistle]

grasp is one of chaos' boon

[random kestrel]

Ok cool

[twin thistle]

gives one extra bloodstone

[random kestrel]

Yeah ik

Im in a run rn and abt to fight Hades with 500 hp

[whole comet]

i guess as high as epic, i dun think the game ever mentions the default %

[twin thistle]

12% for reg rooms and 10% for miniboss i think according to nyaa

[flint pollen]

OK

[random kestrel]

So it's higher in normal rooms?

[flint pollen]

Is that per slot?

[twin thistle]

yeah per slot

[flint pollen]

OK yeah

[twin thistle]

miniboss instead have better rare/epic chances or something idk

[random kestrel]

Oh ok

That's interesting

[flint pollen]

Yeah i was just asking bc i had what i felt like was an insanely unlucky streak just now xD

[twin thistle]

it be like that sometimes

[whole comet]

it's really not as rare as legendary, seems to appear often once u meet the requirment

[flint pollen]

I got ares attack and athena special on sword in first 3 rooms in tartarus, and then went through i think 12? boons from them combined without getting merciful end lol

[whole comet]

UNLESS if you're hunting a specific one

[flint pollen]

I had 2 of their double boon rooms and took them in every shop i could get to xd

[twin thistle]

legendary is the same chance from what i know but the prerequisites happen to be more difficult

[twin thistle]

cant get duos from trials

[flint pollen]

Ah, wth?

Thats weird

[twin thistle]

theyd be even more op if duos appeared there

[whole comet]

duo boons mean they team up to help, and trial obviously they dun lol

[twin thistle]

also like youre supposed to be making them mad yeah lol

[whole comet]

u could still get legendary

[twin thistle]

yep

[whole comet]

but i suppose story-wise it makes sense

[twin thistle]

well i guess thematically the two gods are competing with each other so itd be weird for another to show up

[whole comet]

i think if they might even have an unique dialogue with max call

[twin thistle]

yep

also an achievement

[whole comet]

like u fight Zeus trial and use max Zeus Call, he might go What the hell O_O

[gray apex]

Someone suggest me some top tier memeing build

[whole comet]

boonless shackle 😄

0 is still a build!

[twin thistle]

thats just boring tho

[gray apex]

Done that a while ago, it's boring

yea

[random kestrel]

Chiron with extra shots special and hangover on those shots

[twin thistle]

idk. gilgadash. though thats the optimal way to play gilgamesh lol and probably been done

[flint pollen]

One ive wanted to try for ages but am just not good enough to make it work, only blade vortex or whatever the name of that is

[twin thistle]

zeus shield with ares dash and call and zeus special is kinda fun

[random kestrel]

Or stacking doom

[whole comet]

i kinda like to play around crystal

[random kestrel]

9-hit doom stack

[whole comet]

tried a few runs with cold embrace,ugh

[gray apex]

Hangover can only stack 5 times on enemies so the extra arrows dont do anything, even if you grab Low Tolerance

[twin thistle]

impending, dire misfortune lucifer lol

[random kestrel]

Get doom and then stacking

impending, dire misfortune lucifer

[whole comet]

demeter would work fine, easy full stack cold

[random kestrel]

I don't think there is a max stack on dire misfortune

[gray apex]

Okay well maybe Ill do Boonless Shackle with some heat

Doesn't sound that bad

[whole comet]

depends if u want the message lol

[twin thistle]

well its still quite fast with hestia rail

[gray apex]

Hestia doesnt give the message

[whole comet]

i mean the end game message, in boonless case, boon purger or 100% Olumpian-free

[gray apex]

100% Olympian-free must be a Zag aspect if I'm not mistaken

[whole comet]

no, it can be anything

[signal aspen]

yeah

[gray apex]

Oh nice

Too bad it's already Zag bow

[whole comet]

https://imgur.com/a/0WGFBeF

not just zag apect, any should be able to

BUT it is easy to get overridden if you're careless

like, if u have the big shop trip or death defiler also unlock, it would pick a random one

[white merlin]

hey

whats the strat for the flame wheels? (fists)

i cant punch em without taking damage

[dusky wedge]

Just run away from them

[whole comet]

if you have deflect, works too

[dusky wedge]

Yeah, it’s pretty boon and hammer dependent

If you have extending jab for some reason, that can work

[signal aspen]

just dash through something

they will hit it and explode

[twin thistle]

if they run into a wall they go boom yes

[whole comet]

if u time it properly, i think special fist can kill them in safe distance

assuming you dun use the magnet pull aspect

[twin thistle]

yeah special has enough range

[dusky wedge]

That can be fun

[twin thistle]

i like how im at elysium with rail and still dont have a special

im now at elysium with rail with clockets