Makes me sad
#h1-discussion
narrow hemlock
i made him lose a death defiance by accident earlier LOL so maybe thats for the best
flat vapor
LMAO
narrow hemlock
i made a comment that he was about to lose his last death defiance, he looked up at chat and immediately lost it
dusky wagon
Mh why can't I give Patroclus nectar tho? I encounted him 3 time so far.
brisk holly
hey is there a way to change my save file to hell mode? I didn't realize it existed until I was way to deep into my game
manic bobcat
No, sadly
brisk holly
ah damn
manic bobcat
Not worth it anyhow
Unless heat inflexibility and Personal Liability mean that much to you
brisk holly
i just wanted to turn on Personal Liability, to get everything on
flat vapor
hell mode is mostly just early game difficulty
queen wharf
When doing a Trial of the Gods, does it matter which one you pick up first as to rarity or power?
manic bobcat
No
narrow hemlock
no
meager notch
Whats personal liability
flat vapor
no
queen wharf
Cool thanks
queen wharf
Right, gotcha
flat vapor
you can't get any duos at all, actually
manic bobcat
Whats personal liability
The problem that I avoid all my life? Why u ask?
flat vapor
Whats personal liability
a hell mode-exclusive heat condition that gets rid of the invincibility shield that pops when you take a lot of damage
manic bobcat
That shield is called "mercy invulnerability"
meager notch
huh, never noticed such shield
meager notch
How heavy though?
manic bobcat
Your mom heavy
flat vapor
like, get stunlocked for like 3 seconds straight
manic bobcat
Ohhhhh
jade crescent
you don't mean just normal post-damage i frames?
the one that spearpoint enhances?
flat vapor
by 5 exalted bowmen
meager notch
No point in implementing such a shield then since you'll get a stack overflow before reaching such numbers 🤔
flat vapor
amir saying zeus is his favorite shield aspect 👀
simple zephyr
does explosive return on chaos shield trigger for each shield or only once?
flat vapor
this is non-spoilers
supple field
if you come across a bug, you can press f10 in game (if you're on pc)
manic bobcat
This is spoiler free zone, you might want to evacuate to #h1-builds-and-combat
alpine mural
my b
meager notch
Bug are reported by clicking F10 in game
gusty slate
Hade's aspect is pretty cool
alpine mural
thanks
gusty slate
If you're on Switch, go to #h1-tech-support
pastel flume
Heres a question, How does a relationship work with the lil gorgon head anyways? i dont know how that would work between Zag and her tho
worn radish
It's probably a story spiiler
gusty slate
is final boss
flat vapor
just play through it with her
meager notch
Hardest boss
Just because you have to be a complete monster to hit her
quaint wind
@worn radish please spoiler tag spoilers next time
manic bobcat
are they just heads?
No, 5 kids. There are one head, 2 arms, 2 legs. After they grew up, they merge into Exodia.
gusty slate
The Forbidden One? You cheater
worn radish
Oh. I tried to be as non specific as possible. Sorry
gusty slate
I'll chuck them into River Styx.
flat vapor
exodusa 
manic bobcat
She is final boss huh
supple field
false 
is
jade crescent
gusty slate
is the one behind it all, pulling the strings with that 2% ambig
flat vapor
maybe
raven silo
Bouldy could kill a lot of people if he wanted to, but sisyphus talks him out of it
manic bobcat
has the highest miniboss kills of all Hades game I bet
raven silo
bouldy could prolly beat charon singlehandedly but he sticks by his best buddy instead
rich bronze
Hello, where can i post a stream about Hades?
gusty slate
supple field
calm bone
burst of fire rocket launcher best weapon
dusky wagon
Burst of Fire should be the default on that weapon. Feels very fluid that way.
jade crescent
is there any trick to the guessing doors?
the ones with boss symbols more or less likely to have the satyr sack?
raven silo
IIRC it's equal chance for any door except the first one you pick
which can't have the sack
jade crescent
oh rip
wise sparrow
not sure but its on wiki
narrow hemlock
should be mentioned in credits
jade crescent
shoutout to when Zagreus get mauled by bears
supple field
shoutout to zag getting murdered by a mountain goat
charred turtle
I am absolutely loving it! big cheers to everyone, hope you are enjoying it as well!
scarlet helm
if i use the pact of punishment on heat 1 will i get bonus rewards for tasks i have not completed on 0 heat?
dusky wagon
The 4th stage feels a bit weird, since it's the last and you fight now rats after fighting demons from hell and what not. lol
scarlet helm
its satyrs
meager notch
and rats
scarlet helm
satyrs rats
the area is satyr themed
anybody have an answer for my heat question tho
scarlet helm
wdym?
jade crescent
heat 2 would give rewards for an unfinished heat 1, but not H2 rewards
scarlet helm
oh?
smoky wharf
Hey for the bow, does it get a boost from Hermes' attack speed boost (for the special attack)
jade crescent
pretty sure it charges faster
scarlet helm
special
smoky wharf
not talking about main attack talking about the special
hallow yew
is ||hypnos's favor|| still bugged?
jade crescent
nah gcon
hallow yew
how do you do it?
smoky wharf
gotcha
dusky wagon
When a door "shines" does that mean there is a mini-boss behin dit?
jade crescent
you know there's a miniboss when you see a skull under the icon
scarlet helm
wait every time that means its a mini boss?
dusky wagon
Ok I see one... but the door ALSO shines. 😄
jade crescent
or megaboss, I think the arrows underneath the skull dictate mini or hard
queen frigate
The normal skull indicates a challenge. Like armored enemies. Skull with one arrow is miniboss, two arrows is megaboss, and three is always the region boss.
I believe.
dusky wagon
Beat it on my 13th try.
Didn't get to upgrade any weapons and never met Thanatos. The doors in the palace are still locked. Is there a true ending or only that ng+++ stuff?
supple field
how many times have you killed the final boss?
queen frigate
You need to kill the final boss ||10|| times to see the credits. Lots to do and unlock after that.
dusky wagon
Jesus.
Well, since the game is still fun, I guess I'll set "seeing the credits" as my goal then.
A bit dissapointed by the spear upgrades tho.. the other 2 seem worse than the standard thing.
narrow hemlock
the game is definitely built around experiencing it across many runs, and the average player probably wont get their first clear til like 25+ runs in. i dont think i got mine til like... 33 rofl
dusky wagon
I got tripple bomb on the gun. That seems awfully broken.
thick ledge
wait is 25+ actually the average?
narrow hemlock
i dont have any data, but the amount of people i see win their first clear in under 20 runs is a lot less than the ones that take more
thick ledge
huh
rough token
Can second that
thick ledge
i had assumed most people won their second run after getting their second DD
narrow hemlock
oh definitely not lmao
rough token
nope lol
though I actually won before I got my second DD, but that's because I focused on getting later things first
supple field
i beat redacted at 20
magic tangle
took me 23. Really makes you think about how many upgrades you get along the way. The mirror, the house contractor, the keepsakes, the different weapon aspects...
thick ledge
apparently my first was 11th
i think
i had gotten my second DD though at that point
hadn't gotten many other mirror upgrades at that point yet
though i think part of it is that i also got patrocolous to restore 2 DD's
in elysium
which is op
hollow heron
My first clear was I think 23, back when hydra was the final boss :p
I then got a clear with the other two non-sword weapons by 30, and my next 10 attempts were me trying to get a win with release sword
sand citrus
Hey, I don't know if someone asked yet, but is Hades coming to the brazilian nintendo eshop? We would appreciate regional pricing, since buying it on the other regions is really expensive for us right now
manic bobcat
All you sub 30 tries to first clear kids. Back in my days it took 40 clears get through the end. 😤
rough token
:3
supple field
seagull just beat redacted on run 4 bruh
rough token
dang, nice
simple zephyr
what is best attack boon for nemesis?
rough token
probably artemis or aphrodite? @simple zephyr
manic bobcat
@supple field segull the OW streamer?
supple field
yes
simple zephyr
does anyone know if cruel thrust applies to dash thrust or just 3rd hit of combo?
manic bobcat
just third hit
dash strike doesn't count
otherwise cruel thurst would be S tier hammer
simple zephyr
figures. would be rather op
hollow heron
All you sub 30 tries to first clear kids. Back in my days it took 40 clears get through the end. 😤
@manic bobcat smh back in my day people took 25 tries to get past meg
terse geyser
lol
some dude got it in 8
didn't have all the weapons yet, wondered why it's so hard to find weapon aspects
it's pretty impressive
hollow heron
Clearly we should nerf sword to release stats so people take longer to clear
terse geyser
eugh
I've died 26 times in a row so far doing First-runs. Nerfing the sword would make it almost impossible
sturdy pier
Deleted my normal run (10 attempts in) and started a hell mode one.
Ended up beating my normal PB (2nd region cleared) within 2 attempts
hollow heron
Release sword is god awful
sturdy pier
Is hell mode actually harder if you don’t up the heat past 5?
hollow heron
10-10-20 iirc attack chain
Slower weaker smaller special, less kb, less attack speed, less stun on attacks, less range
terse geyser
yikes. how was the dash-strike damage?
hollow heron
10 I'm fairly certain
supple field
tiny vermin is annoying af
hollow heron
And smaller range of course
I'm still more proud of my clear with release sword than anything else in this game
stiff jetty
Any advice for me? I'm struggling to get 'Bad News' from Hermes. I've changed the mirror appropriately, but he just never seems to offer me one of the two pre-reqs, and i only get 2-3 hermes spots a run.
supple field
uuuh hope you get lucky with styx charon shop?
vast junco
@stiff jetty bad news actually only has one prereq boon: auto reload. if you equip the lambent plume keepsake, you don't need a prereq at all
flat vapor
bad news prereqs are so odd lol
brisk trail
||Can someone tel me if upgrade grade in the father room is usefull ?||
vast junco
@brisk trail ||it's just a cosmetic thing as far as we can tell||
hollow seal
is spreadfire any good on the ar or do i go a special build?
paper lodge
which should i unlock first via diamond? the administrative chamber or the contractor's desk deluxe?
rough token
uhh probably || the chamber, iirc ||. Not sure exactly what the progression sequence is
paper lodge
thankssss!!
agile saddle
has anyone noticed the dashes on the new claw aspect are buggy? sometimes i just won't dash even if i haven't used all 4
rough token
haven't noticed that @agile saddle , maybe try recording it and playing back in slowmo? otherwise report in-game with 
agile saddle
the aspect is so awkward to play on controller. its too bad cause its fun
quaint wind
holy hell im about to ho fight the 2nd boss, ive never gone this far before
unfortunately im out of dds :(
quaint wind
i will! time to go!!
supple field
watch for traps that he spawns
narrow hemlock
i believe in u babs
manic bobcat
god speed
rough token
the best kind
quaint wind
and! i died. but i did get him down to like 1/3rd health
supple field
keep at it, the 2nd boss' patterns are pretty easy to predict with practice!
quaint wind
yeah it doesn't seem like too bad of a boss fight actually
manic bobcat
2ns boss is a she in my head canon
scarlet helm
3rd boss fight is always the hardest for me
manic bobcat
I thought the same until much much later
quaint wind
spotify i unlock the mirror first or the weapons? right now i have sword, now, and shield unlocked
rough token
Hmm, I'd say weapons, that way you can figure out which one you play well with
mirror won't help if the weapon doesn't feel right
quaint wind
that's true, ty for the advice
rough token
sure! 
rustic zephyr
There are a few mirror things like an extra dash and death defiance you probably want to unlock first. Can't remember if those require keys
rough token
don't think so
fleet zephyr
I love after a while of zag encountering thanatos he just mimics the bells that signal his coming like it was a game of marco polo
rough token
yeah!
native orbit
Is there a way to view dialouge history ingame?
rough token
not that I know of, though it's been asked for in #hades-feedback . If you accidentally skipped through dialogue, you might be able to reset to the start of that room and get it again
(if you're not sure how to do that, I can explain)
brisk trail
Hello, will Hades get ported in mobile for android?
granite ether
from #hades-faq @brisk trail
We launched v1.0 of Hades only on Nintendo Switch, Steam, and the Epic Games Store. We'll be considering opportunities to bring the game to additional platforms down the line. Thank you for your interest.
bitter meteor
manic bobcat
Hello, will Hades get ported in mobile for android?
that would be the day xD
actually, don't we have a working switch emulator for Android?
golden adder
I can't imagine how hard it would be playing it with touch controls though
some weapons require dashing while attacking
manic bobcat
bluetooth controllers are popular nowadays.
i use my xbox controller for phone games sometimes
west jacinth
Does anyone have a guide on the Wretched Broker's rates besides what's on the Wiki?
wispy canopy
Why does Aspect of Chiron at Max level say 9->7 arrows?
wispy canopy
Like if you get Relentless Volley Hammer, it still reduces to 7 shots?
wispy canopy
i mean, why even say 9 in that case/
west jacinth
It sounds like the phrasing assumes you're looking at the Zagreus aspect as the "base aspect", but you're seeing the Chiron aspect as a separate weapon altogether.
Interesting. Ah game design and UX.
calm bone
they should heavily reduce the grind to rank up stash items, I figure they wanted it to be a super ultra late game activity, but it kinda kills the early, mid, and late game experience with how long it takes to fully rank up each one
like 20 runs in and barely have two fully ranked up so far
granite ether
you should probably post that in #hades-feedback
be sure to read the pinned messages in that channel in full first
@calm bone
calm bone
sure
granite ether
@robust sonnet spoiler tags for new 1.0 content please (regarding your post in #hades-feedback)
tepid plover
can i play this on the switch lite or does it have to be the normal switch?
rough token
I believe it works on switch lite?
light bay
Are chaos fish super rare or something? I've never seen any :'[
supple field
ive gotten one in my 75 runs
spark laurel
how do you start being able to fish anyways?
rough token
|| there's an item from the contractor you can buy ||
smoky halo
urban surge
I've gotten 1 in about 30 runs so so far it's not super rare considering that I go into chaos once or twice a run
rough token
it's definitely more common than it used to be, and I guess "extremely" is relative xD
calm bone
anyone else think the Elysium boss without extreme measures is way harder than with max extreme measures?
those constant spear throws are just awful, I much perfer when he's just throwing bombs all over the place in his chariot in predictable patterns over the spears
supple field
wish me luck im attempting 32 heat run
rough token
good luck!
stark shell
balanced
ruby sedge
I definitely had an easier time with EM3 Elysium boss the first few times
The spear was scarier then the chariot for the most part, even if there's more health to deal with
calm bone
I wish they'd make the sound when he throws the spear more loud at least so I can actually know when its coming
calm bone
its just too quite for me most of the time, especially with the intensive music.
ruby sedge
Oh I have music turned down relative to sfx for that kind of reason
split oak
Sorry jump in but finally played v1.0 does early Access wins against final boss count towards v1.0 requirements?
pale steeple
I love how if you wait long enough Hades actually deals with some of the shades in the house
rough token
yeah :D
analog elbow
Not towards the ending that was just added, no @split oak
calm bone
I think they should make charm at little better verus the bosses, even with max charm it only last like 1-2 seconds
pale steeple
This game has so much character and personality in it
rough token
that's because charming bosses is kinda op
source: I've successfully made a perma-charm build
pale steeple
Like, if they didn’t care Hades would just be evil and irredeemable, but like, he’s more antangonistic than villainous if you get what I mean
north pier
the charm only lasts for like a second on bosses
split oak
@analog elbow thanks! Frustrating from going someone who played early Access to v1.0 but good to know
north pier
i mean hermes + aphrodite on attack only had the boss charmed like 20 percent of the time on blade
which is good but
analog elbow
Everyone from EA has to go through it
pale steeple
It’s funny that ||Hades|| Can get charmed, even though it’s brief
rough token
@split oak you still have all of the content/buffs you already unlocked though ^.^
rough token
@north pier I did it with Level 7 Heroic Aphro Call + Smoldering Air
split oak
The charm is great for Theseus v Asterius
rough token
- a couple other god gauge charge speed buffs
north pier
ahhhh yeah that sounds kinda nuts
calm bone
I think pretty much every other calls are better than the charm gauge, its just doesnt help enough on the final boss, or really any of the bosses
north pier
although bulking the call sounds annoying
analog elbow
I mean 2.5k damage is pretty solid for a full call
split oak
@analog elbow I hope so. Love this game but the lack of what happens after final boss put sour taste in my mouth
north pier
don't you have to max the call though
rough token
for the damage yeah
calm bone
I dunno, I never noticed it doing damage unless it was maxed out
analog elbow
Why is that? They wanted to keep the best part for the release @split oak
rough token
the charm is the same no matter what amount of charge
rough token
depends on how much gauge speed+ you have
north pier
is there a mirror thing for that
rough token
from Hermes, Poseidon, Artemis--lots of ways to boost it
analog elbow
Zeus, Athena, well item too
north pier
zeus has tons of call reduction but i never take it 
rough token
Zeus is pretty useful for a call build
split oak
@analog elbow I play the game mainly for the mechanics and the fights. Storyline is nice but when v1.0 has nothing progressively different from storyline if you already beat final boss in early Access just is 😕
north pier
is it really that significant? calls just generally seem like... strong but a bit half baked. Like the most i can do to charge a call is to spam. seems like it was intended to be a badass meter like in dmc or ultrakill but it's really just a hit tally
calm bone
Right now I think Athena has the best call
analog elbow
When's the last time you played? @split oak
rough token
Right now I think Athena has the best call
@calm bone for some builds, yes
supple field
i like artemis and athena call
granite ether
dio and zeus calls are also great 
north pier
the athena call is... fine, but the poseidon call is maximum fun
calm bone
especially if you are using the fist weapon so you can just go nu ts for like 12 seconds with max athena call
split oak
I just (10 mins ago) beat final boss post v1.0 @analog elbow
rough token
I think they meant before now :P
anyway, I'm gonna dip out for a bit--cy'all later ^.^
analog elbow
take care!
analog elbow
Well, they added more pact stuff and a new aspect, and a bunch of balancing for this update, but the bulk of it was narrative/story/visual and sound effects. @split oak
split oak
Still great game but I just wanted punch new things haha @analog elbow
analog elbow
Try using the pact to spice things up, Middle Management, Extreme Measures, and Benefits Package change most encounters pretty drastically
(If you haven't already)
calm bone
extreme measures didnt really seem to change the final boss too much, I think it only affected the adds
kinda a shame I think
would be cool if he changed his weapons to like a sword or even gained a shield
north pier
ok very important question: should i switch to controller
I have like 30+ hours logged on M+K
calm bone
you might be use to it by now
granite ether
is M+K comfy for you?
north pier
yeah pretty much
calm bone
I always use a control, but I think it makes it harder to aim with a controller
granite ether
then continue using M+K
north pier
i even bound special to mouse4 so it's mostly my right hand doing stuff
I wonder if i'm missing out on better dodging with only 8 direction movement
calm bone
yea you can probably dodge a bit better I guess
better dodge or better aiming, you must choose
analog elbow
I'm playing on MKB and i've no issues dodging
Buut maybe that's because I'm just used to the patterns
north pier
same, sometimes I feel like I could have escaped a circle if i'd had 360 degrees but yeah i think it would be too much hassle to relearn controls
analog elbow
Try putting in a run or two on controller and see how it feels
raw cape
does premium vintage not count as a boon and thus not towards family favorites?
north pier
probably will, just wanted to gauge general sentiment on if one was much preferred
raw cape
because I have 4 gods and only 15% bonus (1 of the boons is dio's premium vintage)
calm bone
I think there's pros and cons to both, but I usually perfer a controller on the fighting kinds of games
north pier
what are your other gods? did it just not go up after you took a dionysus? @raw cape
granite ether
if one of the boons is from Chaos then 15% is accurate
calm bone
is there anyway to get more hammers to spawn, I think they're leagues better than boons
raw cape
I have artemis attack, zeus special, demeter cast (in addition to premium vintage)
I also have chaos but I know that he (it?) doesn't count towards fam favorites
granite ether
if you've already got 2 hammers throughout a run, besides ||buying the anvil at styx|| no @calm bone
supple field
32 heat failed, tight deadline got me
calm bone
I tried the anvil once and ooof it took the best one I had and gave me the worse ones lolz rip
minor crystal
Tragic.
north pier
Yeah I don't think I've ever taken the anvil
it's just so rare to not have built around or toward one of the daedalus upgrades
north pier
randomly removes one of your daedalus upgrades and adds two random upgrades from daedalus
north pier
you'd have to be in dire straits to grab it
meager barn
theres the expensive high tier materials plus boons/poms
did i tell you guys i had a run where i only ever got hermes, aphrodite and ares boons
round wraith
anyone got tips for making the game run on low powered PC's?
meager barn
literally no other god aside from those 3
meager barn
im using a mac laptop and i run it fine at high res tbh
meager barn
game doesnt seem mega graphically intense
north pier
well like 45 but yeah
north pier
but yeah newer cpus have dedicated graphics cores and it should probably be able to run on them at low res
and turn off vsync
manic bobcat
I3 7100u runs 720p at 30fps
north pier
yeah?
manic bobcat
Doable if you just really want to play the game
north pier
that's actually pretty impressive
i mean if it can run on the switch i feel like most modern laptops could handle it at low res
round wraith
Switch kinda has like better frame pacing
but still not best framerate
so I think the solutions are system specific kinda
Is there a way to lock framerate at 30FPS?
inner cosmos
@round wraith try turning vsync on
manic bobcat
Unfortunately the most effective way is to lower the resolution
720p still looks plenty good.
inner cosmos
my pc is pushing 10 years with a intel xeon 5675 and i push 300 fps sometimes
dusk cypress
Anyone else on mac having an unplayable graphics experience? I turned everything down to the lowest resolution and the game still freezes every 5 s
north pier
running anything in the background?
north pier
i get total 3 second frame drops when playing video
I think the way it loads new animations gets messed with when running ram heavy things in the background
dusk cypress
Hmm okay I'll give closing everything a shot
manic bobcat
Make sure to look at #h1-tech-fixes if yoy haven't already
formal leaf
I have a 1650 and get smooth 60fps gameplay at max settings. But there's a certain pause when I try to talk to NPCs/use mirror or interact with anything. It doesn't happen all the time.
north pier
yeah frame drops seem to happen whenever it needs to load some fresh animation, I'm wondering if it's some ram allocation thing
cause it always tanks when I load video on my second monitor
dusk cypress
Yup, I've tried most things in #h1-tech-fixes
Okay yeah now I'm noticing the freezing might be related to loading - game gets pretty playable when nothing new shows up
north pier
yeah if you close everything on your comp and then launch the game with nothing running then I barely ever get any frame drops
but mine has a dedicated video card so I presume it has some extra space for loading animations
keeping resolution low also improves that
dusk cypress
I meet the min graphics requirements, and I can play more intensive games (starcraft, dota, lol, csgo) on low/med settings just fine
dunno
north pier
does it run 30 fps at minimum res? or does it do that animation frame drop thing
dusk cypress
dunno how to look up my fps but it looks super smooth when its not frozen
i would assume 30
vagrant holly
I'm also having the same issues on mac
vagrant holly
The game is running in the background but the screen is frozen
dusk cypress
cool its a problem and not just me being an idiot
north pier
you're running in fullscreen, yeah?
dusk cypress
Nope, dropped the fullscreen and set it to the smallest windowed size
north pier
put it back to fullscreen
dunno if that has an effect on mac, but for windows the allocation changes for windowed vs fullscreen, like some black magic happens and fullscreen things just generally run better
fullscreen, low res, no background programs
and no vsync
dusk cypress
Fullscreen seems to be worse, can't tell if vsync is helping
Oh well maybe I'll wait and see if I get a dev response
north pier
weird. well sorry I can't help any further, best of luck
vagrant holly
on reddit people have said it's an issue with the intel graphics card that they're working on
dusk cypress
Oh cool guess I'll just sit tight
simple zephyr
when a prophecy says "Reach the surface with X" do you have to beat redacted or just get there?
supple field
just get there
simple zephyr
oh good. if i die with this damn beowulf at least i wont have to do it again XD
hallow peak
HOLY SCHEIßE SORRY IF THERE IS ANY GERMAN CHILDREN ON THE SERVER BUT I JUST DID SOMETHING AMAZING DESPITE MY STUPIDITY
brisk trail
what's hellmode is it worth going for in first playthrough
north pier
in a trial of the gods, is one gonna be a higher tier if I pick it first or second
i wish i did hell mode first playthrough
had to delete my save and restart before i cleared
just start with hell mode
so for the trial thing, if i pick one god first, is it gonna be less-rare on average?
hallow peak
I not knowing that after you select a trinket from the glass case thing it locks itself in between stages but I thought I could cheat and pick the purse one get a hundred gold then go back to skellys trinket for assurance
simple zephyr
@north pier no difference for choice order in trial
simple zephyr
I always just choose whichever god has the easier mechanic
or rather, i choose the opposite
north pier
Unless it's aphrodite I usually just choose the boon i want more
aphrodite's is so savage if you get hit
simple zephyr
if u have a deflect, hers is really easy
simple zephyr
athena easiest by far tho
simple zephyr
im not sure ive seen hers in recent memory
shell lion
Real talk.
simple zephyr
i want to say its just circles that shoot the arrows up from the ground
north pier
well i'm about to find out boys
shell lion
Fated Authority vs. Fated Persuasion?
north pier
and girls
fleet zephyr
Its like a scattershot of aoes
simple zephyr
authority
simple zephyr
not gonna lie my talent tree is almost always all purple
north pier
Yeah it's like 2/3rds as many circles as zeus but they move around
and they move very quickly unlike ares
overall probably the easiest
that i can remember
granite ether
@raw cape I just noticed this, chaos doesn't count toward family favourite so premium vintage most definitely already count towards it
boons like sunken treasure also count towards family favourite even if you can't see it on your boon menu
also chaos goes by they/them
slate jetty
Chaos doesn't count towards FF probably because they are not an olympian
granite ether
exactly, they are a primordial being
steel iris
eyo, just wondering if Hades will have any post launch stuff? more content and whatnot.
or is that undecided?
north pier
oh yo
rough token
Probably not
north pier
sheikspeare hit me up on the dms
calm bone
its the most popular game they've ever made, so they'd be fools not to add more updates or DLC
steel iris
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
north pier
he had artemis, zeus, demeter, and dio
steel iris
thats what i was thinking
calm bone
this game is what is actually putting the company on the map
steel iris
they had a decent following with Transistor
north pier
they've never done dlc before
steel iris
and bastion
but for sure Hades is the biggest so far
gotten genuine mainstream attention
north pier
it would be pretty rude to just presume the ought to follow some strict business plan based on success
steel iris
i mean, why not profit off of such success.
upper kelp
When you run into the Trial of the Gods chambers, does picking one God first raise the chance of higher rarity boons?
Or does it not matter
steel iris
it would be kind of silly not to make some sort of DLC
north pier
nope @upper kelp
steel iris
the game is open to plenty of it
north pier
If they want to, then sure
steel iris
hopefully they do.
north pier
but it's never seemed to be their prerogative. I would totally get it if they decided it was worthwhile though
warm dove
about achiverment that you have to purge your legendary boon. Does it count duo?
steel iris
theres some stuff i'd love to see like more weapons. Regardless this is my GOTY so far. absolutely incredible
DLC or not, i'll always love this game
calm bone
this game will probably score one of the game of the year awards honestly
north pier
ofc
steel iris
art or music
narrow hemlock
the way supergiant looks at it is, they set out to tell a story, and they gave 1.0 launch everything they had.
steel iris
it needs to win
calm bone
maybe not the main game of the year award, but at least one of the side awards
rough token
about achiverment that you have to purge your legendary boon. Does it count duo?
@warm dove don't think so
steel iris
yeah like music or art.
simple zephyr
sg tends to have a vision with a goal and they set out and accomplish that goal and they dont usually plan any more or less
steel iris
it'll win one of those probably
north pier
i don't think it needs to win anything
it's an exceptional game regardless of awards
it's not like some pass or fail if it wins or doesn't
steel iris
never said that, just saying it deserves them.
simple zephyr
no
if it doesnt win an award its a terrible game and ill be first in line to refund it
calm bone
if it gets awards it will increase its popularity and add to the possibility of DLC or even a sequel
north pier
yeah it's just when you say "it needs to win" that's what it sounds like to me
steel iris
anyway, I wouldnt be surprised if we got post launch content given the success.
yeah exactly
narrow hemlock
I think it's kind of putting unfair pressure on them to insist that they need to continue content, just bc you feel that's the path they should take due to the game's success. if they decide there's still something left of the story they want to tell, then they probably will. otherwise they may just move to a new idea
north pier
I absolutely do not want to put that burden on the devs at all
the game stands on it's own, and it's just exceptional
steel iris
im not saying they need to lol. I just wanted to know if they were making any and that i would personally like it cuz theres room for it
north pier
assuming it will get DLC or that players deserve expanded content seems wrong to me
steel iris
not that they need to or the game sucks without it
narrow hemlock
("You" used in a general sense)
simple zephyr
sg tends to start with a complete product in mind and that is what they make and then they finish and move on. it is their way
north pier
what you're saying is "thing is popular, we must have more thing" and I just don't agree that that should be the line of thinking
steel iris
i never said must but whatever
north pier
fair
simple zephyr
i cant believe you are demanding the devs make DLC for you. so selfish
steel iris
i'd personally like to see more cuz i see room for it.
calm bone
getting another run of 4 bosses with a new starting area is my dream
rough token
They've said no more biomes
north pier
i just, i dunno, when people love something then their first thought is "i bet we get more" it just rubs me in a weird way
narrow hemlock
well isn't a game set in the underworld already dead in a sense 
steel iris
yeah no that i totally get. more zones would mess with the story.
rough token
Their modus operandi so far has been to release a complete game and then move on
simple zephyr
DeVs PrOvIdE dLc Or I wIlL cAnCeL yOu AlL!!
rough token
And I expect that to hold true
north pier
I sincerely hope they do move on, frankly
calm bone
I think there's still plenty of ways to expand the story tho
steel iris
^^
north pier
sure sure
steel iris
even if they dont expand the story. just more items and weapons and whatnot.
either or
rough token
Weapons require a ton of work to add in
narrow hemlock
I see hades as their game with the most market potential, not just the game but related merchandise too. but they're quite humble about what they do
north pier
All their games have been literal high art so far, I just hope they use the success of hades to keep this train moving
steel iris
i already pre ordered the Vinyl limited set so yeah thats def true lol
north pier
i've been on board since bastion
steel iris
i could see like
a game
set in the Hades universe but its like
the gods fighting the Titans
north pier
@steel iris yo same! soundtrack is amazing
calm bone
I always thought there was gonna be a chaos level and a Olympus level on my first play through, would still like to see it someday.
simple zephyr
the devs should put me in the game as a playable character and make it VR
steel iris
nothing to really fight on Olympus tho
soundtrack is one of my favorites ever
honestly would love to see a game thats Gods Vs Titans tho
in the same style of Hades
calm bone
you could fight the titans on oylmpus
they could send minions up to Olympus and you have to help defend
steel iris
Hades couldn't ever get through to the gate
the Gods would stop him
also the Titans are dead lol
i was saying like, a prequel to Hades where you fight the titans
as Hades
or whoever
north pier
It would be pretty rad to explore this universe more, sure yeah
steel iris
we dont get enough greek mythos game
north pier
EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
cyan python
true
calm bone
I thought the titans were just locked up or something
steel iris
some are and some are dead
cyan python
need more games set around greek myth
steel iris
most are dead
simple zephyr
the minions of hell attempt to break in and steal your waifu body pillow. fight them off with your epic gamer peripherals and snacks
north pier
AOM, God of War, like, way more
cyan python
God of War is like the only other example I can think of
steel iris
same
north pier
i feel like greek myth isn't some unexplored concept
not that it's not worth exploring, but there are definitely games that use it
as a setting
steel iris
in gaming it kinda is. God of war is all i can think of and even then. i want a game involving like, all the gods.
north pier
That's AOM though
cyan python
implying most games are original
calm bone
Mortal Kombat, but with Greek Gods instead
cyan python
meh
cyan python
fighting games dont really do it for me
calm bone
yea, but they're cool to look at
fleet zephyr
ok then
Just used Aph Aid on Theseus as he was casting Olympian Aid
Asterius was obliterated
steel iris
its aight
Command and Conquer always had me for RTS'
nothing ever hit more than that for me
except Halo Wars
north pier
<people who don't like age of mythology
cyan python
RTS isnt my cup of tea
rough token
They're definitely not for everyone, yeah
cyan python
AoE is alright
calm bone
hmm sc2 best game
cyan python
used to play it
steel iris
most RTS's are unnecessarily complicated.
cyan python
I prefer turn based myself though
rough token
This should probably move to #video-games
north pier
and age of mythology perfectly and flawlessly married complexity with simplicity; any noob can pick it up and understand the mechanics
steel iris
only turn based game i've ever liked is Into The Breach
north pier
I DO NOT WANT TO TALK IN OFF TOPIC AGE OF MYTHOLOGY IS BASICALLY ON TOPIC
rough token
Mmhmm
calm bone
Next game they make is called Odin where you play as Loki and kill Odin at the end of the game
steel iris
So Hades but Norse
north pier
listen, the TL;DR is that Aphrodite's trial is the hardest and Artemis' is the easiest
rough token
No???
north pier
the answer is yes
calm bone
everyone is a simp
steel iris
and by that i mean literally everyone
granite ether
I mean. No not really, because people can be both ace and/or aro
north pier
I feel like aphrodite is the foil to aro people
like the most romantic of possible personalities
cyan python
simp has lost any meaning it once had
by that logic all of the gods are the gods of simps
they all have worshippers
hallow peak
Is it just me or does the damage on the uhh the ummmm THE GUN need to be amped up for its simple attack
rough token
Aphrodite is more than just romantic love
@hallow peak no? It's very fast, low damage makes sense
hallow peak
But
cyan python
@hallow peak its balanced by being real fast
calm bone
people only worship her cuz she's hot tho, people worship the other gods cuz they want power or something
hallow peak
Can I upgrade the capacity later on
narrow hemlock
I think you underestimate the power of the rail friend
rough token
Still, no
cyan python
@calm bone yah no
hallow peak
So thats a yes
cyan python
how would mortals know if "shes hot"
granite ether
that's incredibly reductive Nitrous
hallow peak
how woould mortals know if "shes hot"
@cyan python true
calm bone
or at least the other gods worship her for that reason
rough token
Still no
narrow hemlock
friendly reminder one of aphrodite's epithets was literally that of a war god
north pier
can mortals not see gods
hallow peak
No god worships other gods
cyan python
all of the gods are hot
hallow peak
Except for maybe demigods
north pier
is this like a myth 101 thing
cyan python
they literally can change their appearance at will
hallow peak
is this like a myth 101 thing
@north pier OH BOY WOULD I LOVE THAT
north pier
yeah all gods are like literal god chiseled ass tight pec literal gods
north pier
it's basically hot daddy ology
cyan python
@hallow peak it is though?
hallow peak
Is it a class
north pier
yeah greek myth is a class, like, at every uni
rough token
Depends on where you are
warm dove
https://imgur.com/a/n0jjSiW
the frustrated of fishing
north pier
i don't even think it depends
it's probably one of the most popular history electives
just generally
rough token
Yeah
north pier
no?
rough token
Popular, but not everywhere
north pier
they spelled carp wrong broken game do not buy 0/10
calm bone
I think most universities dont focus on just greek mythology tho, but try to teach all of them
hallow peak
Why is it a class though
rough token
Because people want to learn it
north pier
because it's neat!
cyan python
why is it a class
hallow peak
What possible application to the real world could mythology teach since its based on things that didnt really happen
cyan python
what kinda question is that
rough token
Because people want to learn it
@rough token
calm bone
why is calculus a class?
rough token
why is calculus a class?
@calm bone because it's useful for some things
calm bone
lulz yea right
granite ether
engineering uses calculus all the time
north pier
"what possible real world application does middle european 10th century english literature serve in the overall zeitgeist of the 21st century" he says
yeah
like
hallow peak
Other than the lessons stories with mythological heroes teach I dont understand what application it has
north pier
in the overall scheme of your general education
cyan python
not everything has to have "an application"
rough token
Sometimes, I just want to learn something cuz I think it's cool
narrow hemlock
Isn't this all like. hugely off topic. this isn't even about hades at this point lmao
hallow peak
Like king Arthur you learn not to fall to temptation but the dude in reality just killed a ton of saxtons in defense of his land
Yes it is
Well no
rough token
They keep trying to pull it back on topic
narrow hemlock
how did we get here where am i
granite ether
and since we're straying way off topic #off-topic-discussion please
cyan python
@narrow hemlock its the flow of the conversation
north pier
we are trying to justify greek mythology education in a discussion channel focused on a game about greek roman mythology THIS APPLIES
hallow peak
I assume I can upgrade capacity with the whats his face the person who tales titan blood
granite ether
if related to Hades, so if this discussion as is is to continue please move to #off-topic-discussion
hallow peak
@rough token im done btw with that conversation
deft spear
tbh general discussion probably needs to be near the top of the channel list to draw fire
cyan python
most people come in here for Hades though
deft spear
fair
calm bone
I dunno, I dont think anyone originally comes here just to talk
but eventually that's how it ends up
its like a cycle
north pier
this is just the busiest channel, it's gonna see the most distractions from it's main focus
such is the way of things
narrow hemlock
that's why there's moderators to moderate chat when it strays off topic from the channel's purpose
rough token
Or, y'know, we could take the bare minimum effort to keep it on topic and move to general ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sorry, I'm tired a bit frustrated with some other stuff
cyan python
personally I dont see a problem with going off-topic as long as you 1. started on topic and 2. dont drown out actual discussion, but I dont make the rules
severe flare
The new update is so devastating. I spend a lot of time to buy 1500-Obol Titan Blood. Now they cost only 1200!
rough token
Hey, at least now you can buy more stuff in a run!
granite ether
if it goes off-topic and doesn't go back on-topic within a reasonable time frame it should move to one of the off-topic channels
severe flare
Now I have every upgrade I need. No need to buy new things anymore...
rough token
Mm, there's plenty of stuff to get
severe flare
Diamond for cosmetic?
rough token
Keep exploring
calm bone
I guess at that point you have to consider starting a new save file
or praying to the devs for a DLC
rough token
Or y'know, keep experimenting with your current save, trying out new challenges
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
cyan python
dont hold your breath for DLC
severe flare
I think this game is great, no need for any DLCs
calm bone
ehh, its not like DLCs would hurt it
potent carbon
I’m tempted to turn my ambrosia into titan blood
calm bone
could be cool to expand the story and all
granite ether
it might happen, but based on what has happened with Bastion, Transistor and Pyre the liklihood is low
rough token
I’m tempted to turn my ambrosia into titan blood
@potent carbon I'd hang onto it
narrow hemlock
I kept thinking the lowered styx prices were an error my first few runs after launch lmao
cyan python
@potent carbon I did early on, you dont use ambrosia for a while into the game
rough token
Hang on to a couple though, maybe
severe flare
@narrow hemlock good for new players
rough token
Yeah, you could probably trade some xD
cyan python
Supergiant has said time and time again that they like to take a big break after a release and then immediately move on to another major project
potent carbon
Haven’t spent any ambrosia yet tho
cyan python
I dont see them coming back to Hades
potent carbon
I’ve been gunning for Sisyphus but he ain’t spawning
cyan python
which is fine
severe flare
I got all 6 max hidden aspects
hallow peak
That sucks
potent carbon
Btw, what summon do you guys use?
granite ether
Hades to me feels like a complete product
severe flare
I got Hades in Oct 2019
rough token
|| Bouldy ||, puenboy
hallow peak
Because looking at the map after a stage and getting to elysium it seems to end soon after elysium
potent carbon
I saw some run vids and the guy was using ||meg||
hallow peak
So maybe like a dlc or just make it longer in general
cyan python
I only have 3 rn @potent carbon
rough token
@hallow peak have you gotten past Elysium?
narrow hemlock
I like ||antos|| but I like seeing the boys happy
potent carbon
I maxed hera and hestia, I think imma go a bit more into poseidon so I can unlock ||arthur||
hallow peak
I got like 3 stages into it but knowing greek mythology and looking at the map I assume im almost to the end
potent carbon
Then maybe more into chaos to unlock ||beowulf||
rough token
Then don't worry about DLC
hallow peak
But
rough token
If you haven't even beaten the game xD
rough token
There already is so much more
calm bone
steamwork shop for this game could be something else lol
hallow peak
Many more stages?
cyan python
idk how modable the game is
granite ether
Supergiant has said they won't officially support mods, however the game files are completely open so mods are very possible
rough token
I don't want to spoil too much for you, || there is another region though ||
hallow peak
Oh i know there is
calm bone
hmm how long will it take for a shrek mod to appear
rough token
|| And there's a lot of content after you beat the final boss ||, Oil
hallow peak
I just would have been sad if it ended at like 4 stages 5 maybe 6 i would have definitely been ok with
potent carbon
Is there a mod to make fishing easier
rough token
Is there a mod to make fishing easier
@potent carbon That's a question for the modding server :P
calm bone
maybe someday this game will get new levels though mods
cyan python
@hallow peak the thing is you dont want to stretch individual runs out too long
it gets tedious
potent carbon
I can never catch rare ||greece|| fish
granite ether
@potent carbon please spoiler tag that
potent carbon
I know, slow mobile typing
rough token
Ye
narrow hemlock
I don't really see any heavy modding done, like replacing character sprites or anything. just based on. what little I know of how things work. it would be quite arduous and that's why you don't really see too much mod work for the game currently outside of balance stuff
cyan python
@potent carbon cant catch as in they never spawn, or actual trouble catching them?
potent carbon
Replace Theseus’ voice lines with memes
rough token
I can see really low quality animation replacement happening
rough token
Ye
dusk mantle
Some good boons to go with Shield?? I am thinking Athena are the best ones because of Deflect.
Any other?
cyan python
Theseus is already a meme though
rough token
@dusk mantle any particular aspect?
cyan python
calm bone
low quality mod animations are always funny tho
potent carbon
I’ve always failed to catch rare in elysium and ||greece||
rough token
But yeah, #h1-builds-and-combat
dusk mantle
I don't know what aspect is, I maxed out Aspect of Zagreus on Shield
Don't have any more titan blood
rough token
Sounds good
dusk mantle
if that's what you mean
potent carbon
I even changed my interact key to MMB but im still too slow
rough token
Can give you some suggestions in #h1-builds-and-combat
dusk mantle
Oh thanks
potent carbon
How would that help
cyan python
@potent carbon for fishing the fish will do like a "nibble" where the lure moves a little bit, but you have to wait for the "bite" when the water splashes and it makes a sound
sharp fossil
a white line of light shoots up from the bob when you gotta catch
rough token
You won't be distracted by the fake bounces
potent carbon
I see
sharp fossil
it’s a more reliable signal than the bob moving
potent carbon
Yea I’ve caught legendaries in styx, asphodel and tartarus before but I suck at elysium, chaos and ||greece|| for some reason
potent carbon
Also I find sometimes my fishing inputs aren’t going through
calm bone
I didnt even know you could catch finsh in the final area
potent carbon
Like I have to tap a couple times to make it work
severe flare
for fishing, you should use Xbox game controller, feel the vibration
calm bone
hope I didnt miss any
rough token
Also I find sometimes my fishing inputs aren’t going through
@potent carbon try and report when that happens
pale steeple
Is there gonna be more stuff added to the game or have I just not found any of the last part of the codex yet?
sharp fossil
the chances of getting a legendary in chaos or ||greece|| is stupidly low, just cause you go there less
cyan python
@pale steeple its late game
potent carbon
What I think I might do is get my first ||summon ||then yeet all my ambrosia into it
pale steeple
What kind of late game stuff?
rough token
@potent carbon || summons are generally considered a spoiler ||
cyan python
@potent carbon ||tag that my dude||
rough token
XD
severe flare
If anyone has problems in Elysium, remember to attack FAST and move around A LOT
calm bone
shield guys are the worst
cyan python
@pale steeple if you want specifics ask in #h1-story-discussion
sharp fossil
and then ||make your enemies attack FASTER and move around MORE||
severe flare
shield foes are easy to beat
rough token
Anyway, I got class in the morning so I should probably get into sleep soon. Night y'all
severe flare
observe their attack patterns
potent carbon
What heats do yall think are the easiest?
cyan python
0?
calm bone
you dont need sleep, you just need juicy Hades discussions
rough token
@potent carbon #h1-builds-and-combat
cyan python
or do you mean ||pacts||?
potent carbon
Yea
rough token
Anything past || the final boss || is generally considered a spoiler, and shouldn't be discussed in this channel ^.^
calm bone
would be cool if you could fight Hercules instead of the guy whoms name I always forget and the bull
rough token
Lol, yeah
potent carbon
Actually I got a question
Hermes boons
When it says increase attack speed
Does it just make the animation faster, or projectiles too
Asking mainly for exagryph special
valid hazel
Mid run, never beat the full game yet player. I've got the Ice Wine duo from Dionysius and ||Demeter||, and I have Trippy Shot on my cast. If I sell that, will I lose the duo boon? What do casts look like if you get anything else in its place?
narrow hemlock
I would imagine you would lose ice wine's effect because it specifically works off your cast. so if you sell the cast, then..
valid hazel
Ooof, thanks for that. I would definitely love to confirm that, and if I never get a solid answer on that going forward (tag me on that!) I'll check it next time I'm running this. :P Then we can throw that in the wiki, since it doesn't say 100%
narrow hemlock
oh the wiki is missing a lot of stuff haha I usually just update image things since I'm not invested enough in the gameplay aspect to be aware what still needs work there
valid hazel
Yeah, I've noticed a lot missing, but I can't really deep dive on it. :P
narrow hemlock
I would think that a duo that affects your core boons would lock you out of the effect if you sell the core boon it uses, like the case of ice wine and trippy shot
but I can't test, I'm currently laying in bed :v
valid hazel
Yeah np, relax! :D
glass bone
How does one kill those small exploding carts without taking damage while using melee weapons?
Just Q or casts?
granite ether
Bait them into walls
glass bone
wait, really? I didn't know they self-explode
rough token
Yup
glass bone
Woah they really do. 75+ hours and i have just learnt this. Thank you sir
And I was so tired of leaving their encounters with 20 hp
glass bone
Thanks for the info!
foggy snow
guys what boon is "cursed slash" from
rose pollen
guys is there a problem with the reward for the first stage completed? I stopped getting titan blood since like forever, i been only getting darkness
sharp fossil
try using different weapons
steel flicker
@foggy snow it's a daedalus weapon upgrade
foggy snow
💕
brisk trail
I'm missing one of the keepsakes, to the right of the speartip in the bottom. Any hints on how to get it?
modern fern
Yo quick question, anyone know if there's any benefit to ||forging a max bond with characters aside from the extra lore and you get a chibi symbol next to their trinket? Aside from the active items you get from certain characters I mean.||
sharp fossil
@modern fern that pretty much sums it up
quick marlin
Anyone know where i can find some art/pic of the shades in this game? They're so adorable
jolly mantle
i'm currently diving into the game files (just made a custom cursor scheme!) so i'll see what i can find
quick marlin
haha nice, i figured one of those contractor shades or the wretched broker makes a good pfp for steam or discord
pliant dust
Are there any mods coming up? Is this game mod friendly?
narrow hemlock
the game's data is all unencrypted and accessible (datamining is not to be discussed in this server tho) but supergiant has said they aren't going to support mods in an official capacity
green abyss
of course hades is filled with a plethora of content but is v1.0 the end of content or are we getting more in the future
granite ether
we don't know, supergiant are gonna take a break once eveything is stable
a well deserved one at that
green abyss
definitely
granite ether
I wouldn't hold your breathe for any new content past 1.0 however if what they did after their other games is anything to go by
(i.e. moved on to a new project)
granite ether
indeed metric tonnes of replayability on offer
green abyss
narrow hemlock
over 20k voice lines 
hallow peak
over 20k voice lines :zagshock:
@tatzel.#1484 I KNOW The only lines that have repeated for me were the ones when you look at tartarus in the weapon selection room. And I’m like 40 to 50 runs in would check but I need to sleep.
Did this dude already leave why did it not ping him
real narwhal
the only time i got a repeated dialogue so far was once with asterius
real narwhal
and i was like "omg finally a repeated line"
hallow peak
Gn
formal leaf
Getting a repeated line must be an achievement 
dusk mantle
Okay boyos, I feel like this is the RUN!
real narwhal
i feel like ur influenced by skelly boyo
dusk mantle
Ofc, Made it to the last area, with Skully and 3 Death Defiances still intact!
tranquil fable
Can we get a #hades-appreciating-darren-korbs-falcetto channel?