well can someone explain the joke or nah
#h1-discussion
tepid plover
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|| Orpheus shouldn't've looked back when rescuing Eurydice, that's why he and Eurydice were stuck in the underworld ||
tepid plover
oh
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Eyy, but you finished!
swift falcon
Tru that
swift falcon
I donāt haha
rough token
No worries ^.^
swift falcon
I think the bow has the least interesting hammer upgrades
Maybe just me, but none of the bow upgrades feel satisfying or change the playstyle too significantly compared to other weapons
Especially the damage bonus ones for being close or far away
tawdry turret
which gods should I focus on for the sword :3 ?
agile saddle
Bow has less range then spear special XD
swift falcon
Idk it just feels underpowered to me I guess
Maybe Iām playing wrong
But by far I have had least success with the bow
Every other weapon I am comfortable with
agile saddle
Bow is slow and hinders movement but Hera bow can deal some harsh damage with good cast boons
rough token
Bow definitely takes some getting used to
swift falcon
When using stuff that consumes your cast is it better to have the recharge? Instead of multiple casts
I think that might help me
agile saddle
Recharge?
agile saddle
Well if u are playing Hera bow as u level the bow the cast drops out faster so you can charge up again
agile saddle
I wouldn't play Hera bow then but there are 3 other aspects
swift falcon
I think the problem with Hera (and other cast weapons) is that it limits your boon choices, you canāt pick up Ares, Demeter, Dionysus casts
It messes up the synergies
agile saddle
Every cast works with Hera
rough token
Except you still can? And they're not bad
swift falcon
Really?
rough token
Dio is really good on Hera
swift falcon
I guess I never tried it because it didnāt seem like it would work
agile saddle
Dio cast is better with Hera then to actually cast
rough token
Ares is solid on || Beo ||
swift falcon
because those casts transform it
cloud apex
Recharging cast is 1 per 3 seconds
Regular is 3 per 5 seconds + whatever it takes for you to pick them up
So regular is more dmg unless you are really uncomfortable with pickups. Or if you get bonus casts from somewhere
agile saddle
Last bow run I had 5 casts. Was fun
swift falcon
So what makes Hera better than just casting and shooting one after the other is my question
Does the combo just do more damage than the two separately?
swift falcon
Right but on other aspects you could just cast+attack one after the other
So I donāt really see the full benefit from that
Itās maybe half a second faster?
agile saddle
Hera casts don't proc till they hit an enemy. If u just cast a skill it happens right then
cloud apex
It is faster, and you can load casts while being in uncomfortable to shoot position
agile saddle
Arming 3+ casts at once is damage
cloud apex
Something like crush shot and trippy shot get better deliverance, too
sweet hawk
Hi, is there a full list of minor prophecies and/or how to finish them?
agile saddle
Wiki has a list but doesn't have how to finish them
sweet hawk
I am particularly stuck about the bosses needed to be killed for wanton destruction prophecy
Don't know whom I am missing or where to find them
swift falcon
I think some bosses donāt show up until youāve done a certain number of runs or fulfilled some other conditions?
I remember some bosses didnāt actually spawn until later on
agile saddle
Have u killed all the bosses in Styx? There should be 4 I think. 2 in Tarturus
2 in Asphodel
swift falcon
Oh yeah I know which one you need then
agile saddle
Rat/giant rat/giant laser thing/Big Satyr/big bomb thrower
swift falcon
Keep doing those boss rooms up there
sweet hawk
Will it be in Styx or Elysium?
agile saddle
Styx
sweet hawk
Okay thanks
agile saddle
If u haven't fought the small rat it's probably that
sweet hawk
So Styx has 3 bosses on that list?
rough token
Should be 5, I think
sweet hawk
Okay
agile saddle
Small rat/Satyr/Bomb layer/laser head I think
cloud apex
Giant rat is also a thing iirc
agile saddle
I finished that proph a long time ago I always forget about the larger rat
rough token
For the sake of clarity:
|| Dire Vermin (giant vermin), King Vermin (aka Tiny Vermin), Dire Bother (bombs), Dire Snakestone (lasers), and Dire Satyr ||
agile saddle
I absolutely hate Styx and feel like it brings the whole game down
sweet hawk
Styx feels unfinished. But I guess this is still early access?
crude hazel
This is pretty much what Styx is. Barring post final boss stuff.
agile saddle
i wish there was a way to sell a hammer upgrade and not the anvil from styx since that takes a random one. like i just took a knuckle upgrade and it was so bad like it ruined my special
coral epoch
hii
steep mulch
Styx is definitely pretty meh
this is why i was hoping for there to be something like a Surface biome, but based on responses on Steam forums, that seems unlikely
alpine sequoia
There's actually a neat trick to that. Assuming that it's your first time entering that room (Or so), you cna choose to quit (if it isn't greyed out) and try again. However, you can only do it once, because if you quit again, it will just play out the same way upon you're first re-load. @agile saddle Although not much of a actual fix to your special, but still.
Oh? What do you mean Fuzz?
steep mulch
no characters to meet, no special encounters
Satyrs are really annoying with the poison
alpine sequoia
That's why I always have some sort of deflect on me.
agile saddle
@alpine sequoia well I had no idea it was straight up trash fire
alpine sequoia
?
agile saddle
I didn't know the upgrade was garbage when I took it
granite ether
Heavy knuckle is a complete playstyle shift
agile saddle
It wasn't heavy knuckle it was charge special. It's extremely buggy
steep mulch
Flying Cutter?
steep mulch
Kinetic Cutter is crazy good
(assuming you are using Demeter)
sorry, Kinetic Launcher
steep mulch
but yes, it sometimes misses when it feels like it shoudlnt
Autoaim helps with that a lot, though
agile saddle
I was using poseidon and literally I would shoot it and it would just not hit unless I was point blank
steep mulch
if you just press the button, it has short range
you have to hold it a little to give it more range
btw, you can Power Shot with it too
agile saddle
Yeah but it also had a power shot and it would literally just not hit or the first hit would and the enemy just kept walking
Like I had a good setup for special and i took that and was like forget this
steep mulch
shame. It has been kicking ass every time i pick it
agile saddle
Cleared the run and now I know to never pick that
alpine sequoia
Oh yeah, quick question. By maxing out the aspect of Zagreus, does that count as bonus speed for the perk that increases damage based upon bonus speed?
steep mulch
zag fists give dodge and attack speed, not movement speed
which, btw, might be bugged
because i didnt see any difference in attack speed
alpine sequoia
I meant the sword lol.
steep mulch
no idea about the sword. That boon you mentioned I have very little experience with
steep mulch
i wonder what the 4th aspect of Fists will be
alpine sequoia
I saw this cool concept for a Vlad one actually. I think it was for the fists. Fan made of course, but
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
tired axle
@alpine sequoia where did you see that/.'//.>?
alpine sequoia
@tired axle It was in the steam thing, right next to some questionable content as i scrolled down the page
Also
Yes Fuzz
It was awesome! They had full descriptions, possibel combos
Even an explanation on why it should be picked.
I could try to find it?
alpine sequoia
Post pls?
tired axle
1 s
alpine sequoia
You have one year to post it lmao.
alpine sequoia
ah, I was wrong about the health drain
steep mulch
one year? Hades is supposed to finish this year, right?
steep mulch
its fan-made
but seems like a good candidate for 4th aspect of the Fists
though, its gonna be hard to compete with Demeter
alpine sequoia
Screw that, this is my jam.
It would encourage more trap based things.
I don't know about y'all.... but I mostly just beat the ever living crap out of my enemies. Usually don't use traps.
steep mulch
game says "8 Boss fights" but i only counted 7
4 act bosses, Charon, Solo Asterius, and the Tiny Vermin. Did I miss one?
past mirage
I think that the furies count as three separate bosses, and solo Asterius doesn't count as a boss on his own.
But there is room for discussion.
steep mulch
counting Furies as 3 bosses seems a bit generous. They more like Variants
most interesting is that there are more Keepsakes
i mean, besides Hades himself, who else could give you a keepsake? Alecto?
granite ether
probably ||Persiphone||/whoever the final story character is in 1.0
granite ether
||Hades|| fight is spoilers in this channel
steep mulch
well, over to the other channel i guess
tired ether
So I wanted to give feedback on something. That section tells you to "check pins" to get permission to type. I read the pinned messages but am still not able to type and don't see how to. Maybe I'm just dumb idk
past mirage
You have to join the Early Access role over in the #bot-commands channel
tired ether
Thank you for your reply
steep mulch
small note to the devs: Steam page lists 24 Keepsakes, currently, when actually game has 23 (in case this matters at all)
ember sun
Is Dark Thirst broken? My last 7 runs or so have all alternated between the fist and the sword.
gusty slate
RNG just really loves your sword and fist
silent pumice
Does Flurry Cast no longer work with Trippy Shot?
I've had it two or three times where holding down only displays the targeting point with Zag's arm outstretched.
gusty slate
Wonder if that's a bug
old palm
Haha I died and alt tabbed at the same time and the game crashed on me, my death must of been painful.
gusty slate
Even Chaos could feel that one
Charon is shaking his head
Good luck on your next run!
silent pumice
What is it, tell me!
twilit sigil
oh gosh well I tried to take a screenshot but it won't let me paste it here
I had 666 coins during a run B) I tried my best to get no more coins for the rest of the run but it can't be helped because some shades drop coins :(
past mirage
Image dump links like imgur work here.
twilit sigil
ahhhh olright
regal walrus
Hi all. I'd like to play hades using Geforce now. Are there plans to optin nvidia service? Thx
narrow hemlock
wont know anything until after 1.0, I'd guess
sage sigil
Imagine in 1.0 after beatin hades, it starts another run to get to ||your mom||, but now you need to beat Gods to see her, you lose your boons but now you gettin boons from underworld from Dad, Skelly and others.
void vigil
@sage sigil the final boss is a spoiler in this channel, please edit your message accordingly!
gusty slate
What final boss, the game is named hades 
<-- most recent mugshot of the actual final boss
and 
is the one watching from the shadows making sure we get out of the underworld safely.... most of the time... sometimes... well who knows.
vast junco
watching over zagreus with... ambiguous eyes
tepid plover
is the red shade
gusty slate
One of many disguises, a trickster
terse geyser
Ambiguity is OP
you can never lose
gusty slate
There is much faith in this one
brisk trail
+94% dmg, +70% dmg, +51%, +70% dmg on attack already
in elysium room 1
while using aspect of arthur
this is the luckiest run of all time
praise master chaos
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prisma tapir
Is upgrading aspect of Guan Yu worthwhile? it seems pretty stinky
brisk trail
It's very good at max level.
prisma tapir
So it will just half your health/ gains at max?
brisk trail
Yup.
terse geyser
That's enough health, with the huge damage GY deals across its truck-sized hitbox
brisk trail
@prisma tapir yeah but it heals you every time you hit things with the spin attack
you end up leaving every encounter on full hp
guan yu is the only time i can get a perfect clear
i.e full hp after kiling the final boss
terse geyser
if you go for a special build, you can just throw it across mobs from a distance and never take damage anyways
terse geyser
perks of using a controller:
- rumbles when you pet cerberus
- You can walk
perks of KBM: - Aim
fading gazelle
Oof
keen talon
I can't get it to more than kinda support my wooting sadly
fading gazelle
Anyone used to get those worries that their bloodstone would just fall into the pits in Styx?
narrow hemlock
put leashes on them 
viral rover
Into the pits? Nah. Outside of the walls next to the Snakestones that also failed geometry so hard they don't know what the shape of the room is? Yes.
tepid plover
Each of the mini encounters in styx count toward leveling up keepsakes right?
crude hazel
Yes.
fading gazelle
Yis
viral rover
Also Rare Crop, item tick downs, and Chaos curses (Except Shrouded which auto clears if you still have it by the time you beat Elysium)
dusk night
Does anything happen if I decide to grab Kiss of Styx from Patroclus if I still have all my Death Defiances?
crude hazel
You've wasted a patroclus room, that's about it.
cloud apex
Tbf for omnipowerful beings like that adjusting the language and accent shouldn't be a huge trouble
(aside from chaos, but its... accent is oddly soothing)
agile saddle
does support fire have a CD or does it proc off each hit of chaos shield?
cloud apex
0.2 seconds, supposedly (same as zeus special)
agile saddle
ahhh
rough token
Also, CrabBar, you can use they/them for Master Chaos ^.^
untold horizon
Does anybody know when the next update is? The patch notes say this year but they mightve posted something somewhere else
sweet hawk
How can I access the files to free certain characters from bound contracts? I have those two max nectered until lock. Gave to Nyx too who mentioned admin room. Got access to admin room but nothing there.
Nyx has also reached a lock. Same as Dusa.
How to progress the story?
rough token
You'll need to keep progressing dialogue with them
They have a lot of talking to do
|| Nyx will tell you where the contracts are in the Admin room soonish ||
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|| yes ||
sweet hawk
Okay thanks
rough token
o7 best of luck!
sweet hawk
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tepid plover
Dumb question, bone hourglass doesn't affect the Jerky from patroclus right?
past mirage
I would expect no effect, since you don't get it from a well.
But I haven't paid attention to that yet
past mirage
Watch what the banner says after getting your fish. It's either catch or perfect catch, and you will want the latter.
flat vapor
if you want the codex entries, youāll need both types of catches
tepid plover
paul out here flexing
rough token
Nah, you want a real flex? The only fish I still haven't gotten is one of the common fish
:3
tepid plover
lmao, call me ash, i have them all
cloud apex
Chaos fish, amirite
tepid plover
can't you get a common fish from a perfect catch?
rough token
Nope
cloud apex
You can't
tepid plover
i got all chaos before i got the rest
rough token
I still don't have the common Chaos fish
tepid plover
i could swear I have
errant storm
quick question.. does hades not support steam cloud save?
errant storm
ok kool. i tried loading up my new game on a new system and i gotta star AALL over lol
steam still knows i have 400 hours played thoiugh
rough token
Well, you can manually transfer the files if you still have the old device
But that is weird that it didn't cloud save properly. Maybe check in with #h1-tech-support ?
lapis harbor
cloud saving seems... iffy
tired mirage
Can I respec titan blood upgrades or are they permanent?
lapis harbor
permanent š¢
rough token
You can, kinda
rough token
If you unlock them, then start a run, if you hit give up it'll revert to before you unlocked it (at long as you don't leave the courtyard before starting the run) @tired mirage
So you can kinda test them out
rough token
o7 best of luck!
tired mirage
I have 5 titan blood, wanted to check before I used it lmao
errant storm
@rough token thank you
rough token
Sure thing!
tired mirage
Last time I played the game was december last year, there's quite a few new things that got added
the demeter boons and the twin fists are pretty good
rough token
Yup
tired mirage
I just beat the game so I'm gonna try out this whole heat thing
tepid plover
I refuse to level up my weapons
errant storm
Speaking of weapons are all the variations in the game? I have T4 of some but not all
Did I just not complete random requirements?
flat vapor
the only weapon without || a legendary aspect (4th aspect) is the fists ||
you can find the requirements for the rest in #h1-story-discussion
hasty nexus
I know it's a silly question but is there gonna be post release updates or release update will be the last update for the game?
flat vapor
we don't know, rn the focus is getting the game to v1.0
i'm assuming we're getting post update balancing patches like every other update so far, but as far as content updates there's been no word i've heard from the devs
brisk trail
If I had to guess we'll likely see a beta update or something of the sort before the Official Launchā¢ļø.
covert siren
Do we have any thoughts on when the next update might come out? :)
brisk trail
Before 31/12/2020.
flat vapor
sometime in the Futureā¢ļø
real poetry would be releasing it on the same day early access was released
brisk trail
Kanassans: "GOTEN AND TRUNKS BECOME A GUY." "CELL REACHES HIS PERFECT FORM." "SUPERGIANT GAMES RELEASES HADES AND EVERYONE LOVES IT."
narrow hemlock
debatable on there being a beta before launch, they only did it for blood price to test all the performance changes. unless theyve done a bunch of under the hood stuff again there shouldnt be any need before launch
brisk trail
I suppose I'm thinking more in terms of "Once we say we've hit 1.0, we don't want to put out any more updates."
marsh rivet
I think they mentioned that for all of their games, there were important patch things that happened after 1.0, so we shouldn't expect differently for Hades too
I have no source for this, I may have heard it on stream from Amir
crude hazel
They've made relatively big post release changes before.
Like in Bastion.
But generally, don't expect anything insane.
cyan idol
I'm pretty sure hades has cloud save?
rough token
It does for Steam, not for Epic
cyan idol
Mh.
Still kind of wanna expand on my weapon idea, since a weapon that functions similarly to the dueling pistols from Bastion would be nice.
But I also kind of had the idea of a scepter that you wield like a club.
But can also unleash magical energy from it as well in some fashion, or buff the regular attacks with said energy release.
I think I'll think about my ideas and come back later when I have full concepts.
crude hazel
Hey, there's a Hades modding discord.
If you want to put in the work, I'm sure plenty of people would appreciate it.
nimble sinew
is it me or is the hermes trinket kinda garbage
rough token
Not really
Just have to play fast to get the rewards
And by the time you get closer to the end, 30% dodge chance is nothing to laugh at
flat vapor
it's a keepsake meant to kept through the whole run
rough token
@fierce ice from #hades-feedback , the Broker would still be making a profit (1 blood --> 1 diamond is still a net loss for the player) but it would be less of a mark-up
candid glen
do we have an idea of when 1.0 comes out?
rough token
Later this year
candid glen
tm?
rough token
Nope, actually later this year
candid glen
nice
sullen holly
What is the point of ranking up keepsakes?
crude hazel
They get better.
sullen holly
oh ok
brisk trail
xd
rough token
That would make legendaries worth far less, unless perfect catches were then much harder
flat vapor
there shouldn't be a perfect catch, just a catch with chances for all 3 fish on it
change my mind
rough token
That would reduce the amount of engagement generated by fishing, since far less reflexes would be needed, unless they made the entire time window smaller (which would hurt slower players)
steep mulch
maybe have 3 windows then?
so if you hit very close to the timing, you get legendary fish?
flat vapor
why does fishing need to be so skill based
slower players are already hurt because they can't hit perfect catches
meanwhile there are people here who are so fast they can't get regular catches, which also locks off a fish type
steep mulch
other than flavor in codex, you dont really need regular fish
rough token
Also a valid point. Technically there are three windows already
0-.32 : rare, 5% legendary
.32-.64 : common, 5% rare
.64-1 : common
Though the last two don't have different banners
steep mulch
5% seems really low, tbh
rough token
Yeah
flat vapor
people have different interpretations of what "need" is
steep mulch
the way it should work, is if you miss getting the 5%, next time its 10%, etc...
flat vapor
i can say you don't need to fish
steep mulch
so each time you get a perfect catch, you have a higher and higher chance of getting legendary
until you do, and the chance resets
same could work for a regular catch
flat vapor
imo a side minigame that's designed to give a break doesn't need to have this much depth involved
rough token
Similar post was made in #hades-feedback a while ago
Though I also agree that it doesn't need to be very complex. Maybe just a sliding scale instead of three time windows?
tepid plover
question about the contractor, will the nyx painting in the west hall replace the one I have of Zagreus?
or is it a different slot
rough token
You can swap them around after, but it does replace it
tepid plover
alright, thanks
brisk trail
god the rail is so bad
clearing 35 heat runs with stygius then going back to do 0 heat run on rail and actually lose
an amazing 30 dps
brisk trail
guess ill go do 36 heat stygius
and win without using a single death defiance
but the rail
ofc not man
lapis harbor
woah. I find the rail basically the easiest weapon to excel with
you can just do whatever and everything dies, as long as you remember to reload
lapis harbor
that said, ther eload mechanic is crap and doesn't belong in this game, having a unique button for it is crazy
brisk trail
stygius does like 1k
lapis harbor
use more specials
lapis harbor
by Stygius do you mean Arthur?
brisk trail
or nemesis
lapis harbor
I don't think any core Stygius does 1k dps, or even close
lapis harbor
range has value, though, a LOT of value
lapis harbor
I mean the gun can hit significantly hard with boons too?
idk about high heat though, my highest is 8 š
lapis harbor
it... certainly can, and Lucifer hits harder
brisk trail
he gets the rocket from hammer
and never left clicks again
based tbh
i guess ill have to do that
he literally doesnt shoot a single time in the hades fight
lapis harbor
link it here?
brisk trail
he only uses special
lapis harbor
yeah ,the special is hugely important, like I said
lapis harbor
I only use attack when special is on cooldown
brisk trail
he has like every good hammer upgrade for the special
lapis harbor
yeah, rocket does 80
brisk trail
except the enemies dont just slowly walk out of the way of it
and it has 5x speed
of base bomb
because it doesnt take ages to land
lapis harbor
right, hammers and boons make weapons better man
I'm not very good and I find the gun the second easiest weapon (after the fists)
brisk trail
yeah sure, just saying that rail without lucky hammer upgrades is awful
brisk trail
losing in the first place requires dumb stuff
lapis harbor
if you're losing at heat 0, then... you're just not good with it and need to learn
which is totally fine
brisk trail
i lost because i was doing 60 dps to the final boss
XD
i was like 15 mins in
and died
pathetic weapon
brisk trail
not rly
lapis harbor
if it was heat 20 and your experiences were totally different to mine, I'd defer to your greater wisdom
lapis harbor
okay, then YOU played poorly, and have some practice to do
rough token
Rail is definitely a tricky weapon, and I would actually agree that it's more hammer/boon-dependent than other weapons
brisk trail
yea sure i wasnt really paying attention because i didnt expect to lose on a 0 heat run
but that doesnt mean i wasnt doing
10% the dps
of any other weapon
rough token
The advantage that rail has is that it fires fast, which means it's better with multi-hit attacks like Zeus or Dio. The main DPS isn't meant (as far as I understand it) to come from your base damage
In terms of the special, it has a large area at range, and has several hammers which greatly change how it functions
lapis harbor
yeah, absolutely not. you need to be firing a ton of specials, dio attack or similar, getting privileged status and keeping the shard up, etc
brisk trail
yeah sure it can clearly be good based on that video
but if you dont get the lucky hammers
guess you just do 30 fps
dps*
lapis harbor
I've never had a problem with it and I've used literally all the hammers
rough token
I would respectfully disagree with that. I had an insanely high DPS build with it recently, using almost exclusively the attack. The two hammers I got simply enhanced that, but it was the build that did the main damage
brisk trail
lol dafuq
no way it would even deal 25% dps of a decent weapon
with 15 base dmg
even if you got like +400% dmg
you would be doing 60 dmg per hit
brisk trail
cool
lapis harbor
it does way more damage than the bow haha
brisk trail
nah
lapis harbor
and range is value, need to spend less time dodging
brisk trail
not a chance
bow does tons more dmg
especially if you can get pointblank and the double shot
lapis harbor
you're comparing best cases to worst cases I think
brisk trail
and some +damage
rough token
(final boss) || https://imgur.com/WmsnU6X ||
lapis harbor
anyway, like I said I'm terrible and I'm beating it with the rail ezpz
lapis harbor
oooh I love the artemis shot with it
lapis harbor
built in good aoe and range, more mobile than the bow, etc
dps is not the only thing to count
rough token
Of course it's a bit less damage, that's the range trade-off. But with this build, I also shredded every room in Styx because of how much damage spread it had. I'm not saying it's the best (I don't think it is) but I do think it's a powerful weapon in its own right
agile saddle
Lol rail stronger then bow. Sure maybe the Rama bow and Zag bow but no way higher then Hera bow
lapis harbor
I mean I've used a lot of Hera bow
the Hera bow has great burst, but crap DPS outside of that
granite ether
Every weapon can be incredible if you know how to use it
brisk trail
i mean yea sure the vid i linked shows if you get the right boons it can be really good
granite ether
I would suggest watching some speedruns or high heat runs with gun
brisk trail
just saying it seems giga rng related
unlike every other weapon
where everything works
lapis harbor
and we're saying it isn't that bad at all, a lot of things work
rough token
Okay, how about this:
As someone who has cleared with every weapon with not a single boon, some of them at as high as 12 heat, each weapon is good
brisk trail
and some are better than others
brisk trail
and the rail is the worst
rough token
Not particularly, no
lapis harbor
"worst with no boons" isn't the same as "worst without the best boons" anyway
rough token
Fists were actually harder, iirc
granite ether
That makes sense
lapis harbor
yeah, both of them really want a good attack boon
granite ether
Especially zag fists
tepid plover
Haha athena call go brr
granite ether
Anyway i suggested watching high heat and/or speedruns with rail so you can potentially appreciate what is possible with the weapon
lapis harbor
full special or dio/zeus on attack... I think Demeter might be good too, but I haven't explored it as much
radiant harbor
is this bugged or intended?
the name, that is
picked two separate chaos boons that increased darkness/gemstones
flat vapor
def bugged
nimble ocean
or blessed 
cloud apex
blursed
nimble ocean
that reminds me, when i was new in english, i used to mix up cure and curse
narrow hemlock
in fairness even native english speakers frequently mix up words, english is simply a curse
knew id attract kam if i laid out a chaos bait 
sage finch
Technical Questions: Does Hades use a capped frame rate, and if yes what is that rate?
brisk trail
Nope.
nimble ocean
it's not ported on other platforms yet, so it's not nessesary now
sage finch
That doesn't mean it's a good idea. I'm wondering exactly what criteria Hades is using to clock the timing on Fishing.
Specifically, when EXACTLY does the clock start on the catch timer? Is it triggered by a frame, or is it triggered by the same instruction call that DRAWS the frame?
nimble ocean
that's probably a question to programmers
radiant harbor
pretty sure it's the big white flash?
sage finch
For sure it's the flash, but the flash is on screen for many frames.
nimble ocean
i'm not sure that frame itself can trigger anything
sage finch
@nimble ocean There are frame triggers.
I absolutely can NOT catch the rare fish. My response time isn't amazing, but its range includes the .34 second response time listed on the wiki. I should catch a rare fish once in a while.
Well, I do, but like 5% of the time.
nimble ocean
i kinda envy people who can tell 59 fps from 60 and perform frameperfect actions
and don't understand them at the same time
sage finch
Uh, be careful.
No one can perform frame perfect REactions at that rate.
You can make a frame perfect input, but not reactivel.y
In other words, you have to know within a very narrow margin EXACTLY when the input check is coming, and even then the best players in the world will miss it most of the time.
radiant harbor
lol how is it hard to tell the difference betweeen 59fps and 60fps
just count the frames lmaoooooooooooo
sage finch
Humans can't, reliably.
nimble ocean
there are some tricks people use.. like, only listen to audio.. or put a finger over the bobber, so sudden movements won't confuse you
sage finch
I might try that last one.
But I should have more than the I think three rare fish. I'm not that slow.
nimble ocean
also the fact that 4th movement is always a bite, if three already happened
sage finch
that's why I am wondering when the count starts. Because if it doesn't start on the actual frame, I may have a LOT less time to make an input than .34 seconds.
narrow hemlock
if youre using a controller, use the vibration to indicate when to reel. that and the finger method are prob the best imo
nimble ocean
i believe it also can end later in that case
sage finch
I'm M+K.
narrow hemlock
controller is most comfortable for me but i keep controller on hand even for my kbm runs just to fish
sage finch
No.
nimble ocean
idk
sage finch
That would be a disaster.
narrow hemlock
but as far as when the timer on fishing starts im not sure anyone could tell you for sure
sage finch
Controller is great, but it ain't my thing. I like to be able to aim.
narrow hemlock
you do you, i only gave you a suggestion.
nimble ocean
my friend can't use vibration, it makes her fingers go numb for some reason
sage finch
I'll try that finger tho. I'm looking for the flash above the bob, right?
nimble ocean
right
sage finch
Force feedback is great! but I'm sort of wired into PC play now.
Rumble is only really workable in slushy control interfaces like analog sticks, buttons, and triggers.
nimble ocean
keyboards?
sage finch
Because they aren't held by the player, most of the rumble energy would be absorbed by the surface they are on.
Also keyboards don't have analog input, so you can;t deadzone to compensate for artifact inputs from the rumble.
Just did the test. I
'm at the end of a day, but I'm still getting 274 ms, which is WELL within the official margin.
So either I'm inputting on the visual que, or I have a lot less than .34 seconds to make the input.
Are the fishing stats in the hall of records?
fringe thistle
hey guys, i recently got a new computer where i can actually play hades properly without downgraded graphics but a big roadblock to me playing the new patches has been the sheer level of aversion i have to restarting the whole game when i would just like to simply progress the story at this point. does anyone have any experience with transferring their epic games store save files between computers?
rough token
Check out #h1-tech-fixes , towards the end it says where your save files are@fringe thistle
Just copy-paste them onto your new computer
Documents/Saved Games/Hades
fringe thistle
thank you!! š„ŗ
rough token
o7 sure thing!
sage wolf
Has anybody else run into an issue where the bloom that happens when you get to the surface never goes away? it made the final fight rather interesting, as I just had to rely on vague outlines of everything
brisk trail
I am baffled and amazed at the sheer volume of voice acting in this game.
I didn't expect literally every aspect of dialogue to be voice acted.
The level of passion put into this game is mind boggling.
carmine ravine
the last console i play is ps2, and i bought a controller just for the game and it was worth it
brisk trail
Hello everyone! I started the game today, and I'm not sure what to do with the Chthonic Keys, should I use them to unlock weapons or upgrades at the mirror?
high island
Both.
You can get Chthonic Keys very quickly, so just spend them as you see fit.
I guess balance how many keys you spend on the mirror with how much Darkness you actually have to spend on your mirror talents.
So when you don't have extra Darkness anyway, just unlock another weapon.
And then by the time you have more Darkness, you'll have keys to upgrade the mirror, too.
carmine ravine
i used my keys now to buy diamonds
fading gazelle
That's also viable I guess
high island
At the end of your dash, but yeah.
tepid plover
I didn't expect literally every aspect of dialogue to be voice acted.
Same, I expected pyre to be the same š„ŗ
cloud apex
Tbh, for me it's "VA for everything or that'd be too weird", but given the amount of dialogues in Hades, the work was extremely immense
high island
Thankfully the gods are all immortal, so they have plenty of time to record their lines. 
tepid plover
prime fox
ayyy i started playing hades yesterday and had a pretty good binge from 10 pm to 5 AM
i wonder if that's a desired effect or not
tepid plover
it is
brisk trail
Is there any way to save a run and continue it later? Some people say it saves after each encounter, some say they lost all the progress they've made.
Is there any way to save a run? and if yes, how long is an average run?
analog elbow
So you can save and quit before you start an encounter, or after you finish one
It saves automatically, and you wonāt lose progress if the QUIT button is clickable. If only GIVE UP is, then youāll lose the progress.
rough token
@brisk trail To add on to what Radish said, whenever you see a red icon flash in the top right, you can then pause and hit Quit to exit and save. Once you do something (like interact or take/deal damage) you can no longer save & quit until the encounter ends
tepid plover
runs are usually around 30 mins depending on your build
thats my average clear time at least
i dont speed run or anything
prime fox
i have one issue with hades so far
Cerberus, etymologically, means spot
but i don't see any spots on this particular goodboi
rough token
do all dogs named Spot have spots?
tepid plover
lmao
narrow hemlock
they're a spot of love in your heart
flat vapor
just a spot?
narrow hemlock
however many you desire
past mirage
Don't you just HATE it when you are short 3 obol of a Titan Blood?
fervent crystal
tepid plover
insnt orthrus the brother of cerb?
past mirage
I'm not sure, but he is the two-headed shepherd dog that was killed by Hercules on one of his epic tasks.
past mirage
Those Greek really had it with multiple heads.
Guys with multiple heads? Check.
Creatures that are animals but with several heads? Check.
Creatures with several different animal heads? Check.
Creatures that grows MORE heads? Checkity-check.
rough token
Creatures that are literally just heads? Check.
past mirage
I wonder if there is some take-away lesson to be had here.
Maybe most myths were written by the ancestor of the Pimp my Ride guy.
Yo dawg I heard you like heads so I give you a head that grows heads so you can take off heads and still get more heads!
And thus, Lernie was born.
flat vapor
das a lot
lapis harbor
is it just me or does fishing feel like it gives very few resources almost immediately? I almost wantto just skip them all
radiant harbor
depends on the zone you're in
and the rarity of the fish you catsh, which you can affect by catching the fish asap after the flash
you can quite reliably catch legendary ||stonewhals|| for ||150|| gemstones in the final zone, which adds up very quickly
dusa acting shy
crude hazel
Fishing gives great resources in Elysium and Styx.
lapis harbor
does it? hm. I guess the delayed reaciton makes it feel worse
cloud apex
It would, yes.
radiant harbor
the super rare fishing spots in ||chaos|| give amazing rewards too
lapis harbor
yeah, those are sooo rare
radiant harbor
Does anyone know why / when some treasure troves give a bonus nectar?
is it a bug, or intended?
rough token
I heard that it's intended, don't remember why though
grizzled sun
Will they ever implement cloud saving through Epic?
I recently bought the game on Epic and came to find out they don't have cloud saves....
I would havr bought it on Steam instead
Have*
narrow hemlock
Does Hades support cloud saves? Hades supports cloud saves on Steam. We are investigating cloud saves on the Epic Games Store version of the game. You may also find local copies of your saves in Documents\Saved Games\Hades.
#hades-faq
grizzled sun
Oh so I can copy the save file and transfer it to other pc to play on?
flat vapor
yes
grizzled lily
hi all, how can we unlock the weapon aspect? i finished the run twice and unlocked all the weapon, still unable to do so
cyan idol
Hey, if Hades gets costumes for Zagreus to wear... Will Arachne be the maker of said costumes?
cyan idol
And Dusa's a head. Your point?
crude hazel
My point is she's a spider, that's all really. They probably aren't adding more NPCs to the game.
cyan idol
Arachne is still a fantastic weaver & in some media is a demi-god of sorts.
I still believe.
granite ether
according to the roadmap there's only 1 more story character that's gonna be added to the game
I highly doubt it will be Arachne
crude hazel
I mean it's a nice idea, but we don't even have a reason to think Zag is going to get outfits.
I'd probably be a lot of extra work for the devs.
granite ether
it is a metric tonne of extra work
there's a steam thread somewhere that explains why
cyan idol
Just a thought really.
granite ether
crude hazel
There we go! I thought it'd be something like that.
brisk trail
Is Hades more like Children of Morta, so grind to win with bits of story, or more like Binding of Issac, skill and practice + RNG?
granite ether
kinda both; it really depends on what you want to get out of hades most
prime fox
question about one of the items in the game: the shattered shackle. does it lose its effect if you get a boon thats unrelated to attack or special, like a dash boon?
high island
You have a lot of control over the difficulty. So, you can just do low difficulty and speedrun through it, or you can turn on every option and have a serious challenge ahead of you.
@prime fox no, you only lose the effect on Attack if you get an Attack boon, Special if you get a Special boon, or Cast if you get a Cast boon.
crude hazel
Though keep in mind.
Binding if Isaac is way, way easier than Hades.
It takes more effort to luck into a good build, and even the luckiest build can't just instantly clear rooms without any concern.
nimble sinew
issac shouldn't be compared to anything as issac is garbage
granite ether
Isaac is far from garbage, it's incredibly high variance and that's not for everyone
so if you don't like it that's fine ^_^
nimble sinew
wack!
granite ether
anyways BoI isn't really relevant here, so if you wanna talk more do it in #video-games
novel wasp
Hades: I ought to lock you up in tartar sauce
brisk trail
Is Hades really that difficult compared to other games from the genre?
cloud apex
Well, it's not too difficult, but it most definitely will not win itself, gotta put some effort through the whole run
vale acorn
Hey I have a screenshot of a bug, where should I post that
brisk trail
Is Hades harder than for example. Enter the Gungeon or Children of morta?
cloud apex
Roughly equal to EtG as far as I can tell
it's a bit hard to compare since i played etg when only starting roguelite career and was real bad at it, hades was approached with experience and beaten in a dozen runs
granite ether
the difficulty of Hades is also hard to quantify because of ||the pact of punishment||
brisk trail
I mean, let me put it like this. I got to the 2nd boss on my 4th run without any issues, and I was surprised that it was so easy
I thought there is some huge change in the word or difficulty, like a difficulty spike later on I will not be able to overcome
But apparently I'll be ok with the experience from roguelikes I already have
cloud apex
If you reached 2nd boss that early, you definitely will be okay yeah. There is only a final boss that you may get stuck on for a good while, but nothing that some eventual luck can't fix
brisk trail
And just out of curiosity, are there any items or important elements that are missable? And I should know about them beforehand?
granite ether
none that I'm aware of
cloud apex
Just talk to everybody and gift them a nectar whenever possible, most of the gameplay will be explained along the way
crude hazel
I think the Olympus Caller run clear message might be broken.
I only got my call in the second to last room of Styx.
I'm pretty sure I didn't use it 50 times.
frail nova
i mean you never know
what if zag was thinking of calling the olimpians very intensely?
high island
@crude hazel what call was it?
past mirage
Maybe a greater call counts as several regular calls?
fickle oracle
man with the fists ares and athena are nuts
12 minute run with the doom attack, and athena dash. The duo activating doom every dash attack like a machine gun
really didn't need anything other than to buff doom
fierce ice
@urban heron regarding your feedback, you have the option every ~10 runs or so to talk with your romance interests and take them back to your room
urban heron
first of all thanks, didn't know that, never noticed that, even though I am on roughly 130 attempts. Secondly though, that isn't really what I mean. More sex is great, but I was more talking about their usual hangout shifting from meg always in the longue and Than always in the westhall to sometimes they are at your place because they just want to chat or maybe challenge you in that damn game? Im going to look really stupid in a moment when you tell me that you can actually challenge them, but believe me I tried it hasn't worked out yet.
@fierce ice just in case you jave the server muted like any reasonable person with a server this size, have a ping.
past mirage
For now, the tabletop game doesn't serve any satisfying function.
cloud apex
It reminds me of my social life status
That is more than enough for an object like that 
pliant bolt
What tabletop game?
past mirage
My personal collection of physical games is also just gathering dust after my recent move and lockdown on top of that.
You can buy a tabletop game from the contractor for Zag's room.
pliant bolt
And play it?
past mirage
The problem is that he has nobody to play with, so it just does a little shimmy when you interact with it.
pliant bolt
Oh, so you can't play it?
past mirage
Similar to the dumbbells, which just lie around all decoratively.
There is speculation that they could do something after the next update, but for now shimmy
The lute does an actual something, so here's hoping.
agile saddle
Nectar from troves still dont give +1 to a skill when you have it unlocked
past mirage
They don't count as chamber rewards, which is the trigger for the level up. They do give health with Premium Vintage.
marsh rivet
||v1.0: Heracles becomes your new personal trainer||
agile saddle
then change the wording on the upgrade.
cloud apex
Premium Vintage nectar for some reason counts as chamber reward then
marsh rivet
Even when purchased from a shop?
agile saddle
"Collecting Nectar gives a random Boon +1 Lv."
cloud apex
not that i mind too much
No idea on that one tbh
agile saddle
that doesnt specify
marsh rivet
Yeah idk either. But the nectar phrasing should definitely be more specific
past mirage
Hm. Feedback time, I'd say - it would be fairer to always give the level up. If a nectar from a trove is supposed to be jackpot, better go all the way.
agile saddle
Darkness from Poseidon sunken treasure doesn't give health either.
marsh rivet
Lmao, you could win a small jackpot and get a full Centaur Heart or 100 obols from Sunken Treasure
past mirage
Do you mean Mirror Healing or maximum health?
marsh rivet
mirror healing?
agile saddle
yeah but again specify the wording.
Collecting Darkness also gives you +5 Health.
it needs to say " Collecting Darkness as a chamber reward also gives you +5 Health."
marsh rivet
Yeah, agreed. Or you know, change the functionality to make it accurate heh
past mirage
You're absolutely right.
cloud apex
Le shrug. Over the course of run it nets like 30 max health which is pretty huge for permanent upgrade
marsh rivet
You open 6 Darkness rooms in a run?
marsh rivet
Oh, right. Yeah I guess that's fair. Though it's funny when I'm repeating a seed on a weapon without maxed bounties at high heat
Unnecessary handicap I guess
cloud apex
indeed
agile saddle
well i made a post about it in feedback
cloud apex
š
That being said, changing chamber reward to any darkness isn't really an option. Sisyphus exists
I know you didn't suggest that, just pointing out for reference
agile saddle
i will edit it 1 sec
past mirage
Tinge of Erebus would also need to be reworked in price, or the charon stuff you buy.
marsh rivet
I learned the other day that Nike's name came from the Temple of Athena Nike. But... why not reference Hermes.
agile saddle
ok updated
cloud apex
Wait
agile saddle
it just a lack of consistency
marsh rivet
It's a bad line pretty sure
agile saddle
he doesnt? cant say i have ever taken darkness from him
marsh rivet
Also when you make that feedback comment, tell them to move the Coin option to 1st
past mirage
I use his darkness for healing quite often, and it doesn't give maximum health.
marsh rivet
Spammed A to health with LC4 a very non-zero number of times
rough token
@marsh rivet can't you spam B?
marsh rivet
Huh, never tried it.
marsh rivet
past mirage
cloud apex
Imagine not spamming Spacebar
fierce ice
@urban heron gotcha that makes sense. Now I want them to be able to play the tabletop game...
open mesa
I would like to give my feedback based on my experience in the game. However i seem to be unable to type in the feedback section, so ill say it here.
Basically, im unable to catch a legendary fish (rip reaction time xD) and would love if the devs could include a practice fishing spot so i could practice before every run.
marsh rivet
They used to have one :3
I'm not entirely sure why they got rid of it lol
(Room 1 used to "always" spawn a fish, so it was easy to practice by just giving up the run)
past mirage
You can give feedback by joining the Early Access role in #bot-commands.
marsh rivet
Gotta keep that gemstone economy balanced
past mirage
The scarcity of the first room fishing spot also has the side effect that when you get an early Chaos gate, the chances of a spot there increase.
So it's not all bad.
marsh rivet
You mean the chances of missing it because you hear the ding after selecting a door, gotcha
past mirage
That too
rough token
@open mesa To be able to post in #hades-feedback , read the pins in that channel
marsh rivet
Lol, yeah I thought so too. Where does your fancy yellow name come from?
past mirage
Yellow comes from the All the games! role.
I have played all SGG games, so I found that fitting.
past mirage
Nice going, Pinocchio
crude hazel
@high island It was Dionysus call.
high island
That's what I thought. Dionysus' Aid specifically seems to do that.
tepid plover
I haven't called anything
tepid plover
my max i think it was 1.2k
narrow hemlock
@tawny light yes https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/0/1864993755183591660/#c1864993755185620425
"Hades is a 2D game with no real-time 3D rendering."
red ore
soooo, as a person debating on getting the game, how close is the game to completion, and ending early access? cause i saw that there was a lot of story out already.
rough token
it'll be out later this year
merry harbor
As far as we're aware, the next major patch is going to be it exiting early access (the 1.0 version), which will have the conclusion of the story and a lot of other little goodies. Aside from that patch, everything major is here and all buut one aspect of the weapons is useable.
rough token
and it's pretty close to complete
red ore
i see, then maybe its better to just suck it up and wait till its out to get the full package in one go
merry harbor
You could! You wouldn't be losing anything by picking it up now, but if you're the kind who can get burned out by playing a game a lot that might be a good idea.
It's pretty low on bugs (most of which are cosmetic) and there's... a lot of stuff here if you change your mind.
red ore
yeaaah, but it bugs me that ill get to a certain point in the story and not have a closure before waiting you know
rough token
they did it very well
red ore
imagining if halfway through transistor you had to wait a while
rough token
so it doesn't feel bad
though I do understand that
I'm not gonna say what they did to patch up the ending pre-full release, but I enjoyed it
merry harbor
The way they did the early access ending feels like, fitting to itself, luckily! it plays off the fact that the game, in universe, is going through changes up until a certain point (i.e, end of EA). So it doesn't feel unsatisfying.
plus most of the actual story content takes place not during an escape attempt, but back at the pre-run base, so you'd still be gonig back there a LOT, early access or no
tawny light
you'll have to do like 60 runs before you get close to a cliff.
prime fox
what happens with sysiphus shackles + Aries' urge to kill (attack, cast, and special gain +8%)?
flat vapor
donāt see why they wouldnāt
split elm
Hello, I was wondering if there was a way to transfer a save file from my Epic Games to Steam? Or if it's even possible at all? Thank you!
split elm
Oh, sweet! Thank you so much!
rough token
Sure thing! o7
lavish tree
so, about second-to-last feedback on elysium eyes respawning at their weapons - what's wrong with it? is the information incorrect or people just disliked the proposition?
genuinely curious
past mirage
I think that most people think the respawn mechanic is already obvious enough as it is. I understand your point - comprehending the mechanic isn't that trivial - so I abstained, but I think there needn't be said more then there already is.
The "One's respawning" line really says it all.
As for the visual indicator - the game already has a problem of visual cluttering, and the lines of light wouldn't make it easier.
What's more, the souls can change the weapon they were going for when hit, so it is not predetermined what weapon they will spawn into.
crude hazel
I thought it was pretty clear.
past mirage
The many dislikes are probably a "don't change what needn't be changed" opinion.
crude hazel
Pretty much, yup.
Like I think the ghostly weapons left all over are a pretty good visual tell to begin with.
And Zagreus says they're re-arming all the time just in case you don't get it.
granite ether
the change if made also takes time to implement such time that's taken away from focusing on 1.0's launch
past mirage
There was a somewhat related feedback earlier about why the exalted all look the same. The reason is that they can actually change weapons after being reduced to their soul form, is my explanation. As for why they are black and blue - beats me.
granite ether
why they're the colour palette they are, no idea. However at this point changing the colour palette is a significant amount of work, same reason why we won't see any alternate skins for zag
crude hazel
It does make them distinct enough.
cloud apex
I do wonder what would be the alternative palette if one was to be designed
sweet hawk
As far as we're aware, the next major patch is going to be it exiting early access (the 1.0 version), which will have the conclusion of the story and a lot of other little goodies. Aside from that patch, everything major is here and all buut one aspect of the weapons is useable.
Does this mean no new weapons are going to be added in future?
granite ether
only one new aspect is going to be added according to the roadmap
crude hazel
No new weapons are on the horizon for the time being.
lavish tree
@past mirage it wasn't my suggestion, it's just my mind blown about that respawn mechanic. I was sure eyes were on timer
past mirage
I did know that the feedback came from somebody else.
carmine ravine
i wonder if they going to make a "true" ending or just the same ending over and over again
past mirage
@iron saffron If you insist to know, ||yes, he does.||
past mirage
Looks like Proxy needs to learn German.
muted valley
lol thats a smart work around
narrow hemlock
maybe don't deliberately get around the filter tho
iron saffron
Wasnt intentional?
I personally only use it to downplay my frustration
Must have just gotten lucky between flury stab, extended jab and support fire blitzing through styx
iron saffron
Yeah i could just not
At least I'm feeling slightly... Better???? Good to know i wasnt even halfway throught the fightb rather than lost just before victory
high island
Best to keep any final boss fight discussion to #h1-builds-and-combat because that's spoilers in this here channel, too.
iron saffron
Since Theseus is sucha roadblock for me, felt good to finally beat him, now I know it was just a fluke of RNG
high island
#h1-story-discussion, #h1-builds-and-combat, and #h1-high-heat-strategies are the channels where all spoilers are fine, basically.
candid glen
i don't get it, with the fist i haven't had the more range for at least the last 10 runs, is that upgrade still in the game?
high island
It is.
candid glen
i guess i'm jsut super unlucky
high island
Well, it's to be expected over a large number of runs that you'll have some stretches where you don't see a particular hammer or boon.
candid glen
i was used to gettting it like 2/3 of the time, so no seeing it at all for this long was a surprise
brisk trail
Are there any guides/tips for bosses in the game?
candid glen
probably?
high island
@brisk trail I compiled all the final boss strategies that I've shared here in the server in a document awhile ago. I'll link it in #h1-builds-and-combat.
candid glen
did you do it wityh every weapons?
high island
I covered fundamental things that work with every weapon.
mellow haven
another run died to bad satyr sack rng and tight deadline aaaaaaah
rough token
There was a somewhat related feedback earlier about why the exalted all look the same. The reason is that they can actually change weapons after being reduced to their soul form, is my explanation. As for why they are black and blue - beats me.
@past mirage
Wait they can change weapons
past mirage
The souls seem to have a preference for their original weapon, but if you interrupt them and let them get away, they will go for the nearest weapon, even if it makes them change. I saw that on numerous occasions.
What I haven't figured out is whether BP mods transfer.
rough token
Hmm, I might experiment with that a bit
crisp bluff
i am trying to finish the fated list of minor prophesies but i can's cuse i need to get some hammer upgrade for the shield called charged flight. Even when looking att the wiki i can't find does somebody got an idea?
past mirage
Which aspect do you use?
high island
Chaos Aspect and Zeus Aspect can't get that upgrade.
high island
It lets you charge your Special for up to 5x damage.
crisp bluff
ahh ok ty
acoustic trout
am I correct in assuming that if you enter a Trial of the Gods chamber, you can't get a duo boon from both gods? Like, a Dio/Ares trial can't give you a Dio/Ares duo boon?
narrow hemlock
duos cannot be offered in trials, yes
acoustic trout
thanks!
mellow haven
lmao I finally made my way up to extreme measures 3
and I was utterly laughing my bum off with elysium's boss
rough token
Yup :D
crude hazel
Love him or hate him, Elysium boss has some hilarious dialogue.
narrow hemlock
sgg i want theseus merch
sterile peak
wearable EM theseus mask when
flat vapor
rideable ||life-sized macedonian|| when
plush cave
we still don't have any new news about the 1.0 right ?
narrow hemlock
we're unlikely to find out anything until it gets fairly close
mystic vapor
id guess december for 1.0
mellow haven
extreme measures are like,
furies: I'mma call my sis
lernie: lava goes brrr and I can fly now
theseus: t a n k
extreme measures ||charon|| when
cloud apex
Probably when it's a somewhat guaranteed encounter
crude hazel
EM Redacted is going to be scary, if it ever happens.
granite ether
||Redacted|| can already be incredibly scary, if EM ||Redacted|| where to happen I don't know what to expect
possibly ||a third hp bar š± ||
cloud apex
There is a ||3rd phase|| in OST, soooo... 
(btw i like how you spoilered a boss name that is already spoiler)
past mirage
Dang, I will listen to the song now to check out what you mean.
crude hazel
Also, I'm super bothered by the fact that I can't fill up my Song list still.
Bloodless is still bugged and can't be bought.
mellow haven
are styx doors just random with no way to tell
crude hazel
Yup.
mellow haven
because dying to it on TD does not feel good
crude hazel
On TD 1, you should still have loads of time even if it's all the doors.
Just gotta hussle.
It's the risk you take though.
mellow haven
I'm on TD1, and got tunnel 2 mega health bar satyrs because Benefits Package
6 of them
which took an eternity to kill
crude hazel
Rough stuff.
urban heron
Hey, something I noticed and I am not sure if it is a bug or me being blind: not all the boons are showing up in my permanent record.
I am definitely missing Supporting fire and festive fog and with those two not on there it could be that I am forgetting some, but with supporting fire being one of my favorite boons, I thought I should check out just how often I got it, definitely not on there.
rough token
@urban heron That sounds like a bug, might be worth an f10
mellow haven
is it realistically able to consistently clear high heat runs or are there some seeds that are just bound to screw you over
rough token
Definitely some that just won't work, imo
I'm sure it's theoretically possible to clear with any build
mellow haven
I just lost 2 death defiance to TD elysium
rough token
it'll happen sometimes ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
mellow haven
because armored greatshield everywhere (was running chiron)
I'm annoyed that a common enemy can block damage indefinitely
like at least make him stagger after blocking like 2k damage or something
I'm so fed up with TD Elysium
and now I'm going into styx with no charges, hoping I don't get screwed over by late sack
high island
Define "high heat".
crude hazel
You're free to not run TD if it's making things so unfun for you.