Like getting maybe a cast boon and never using jt
#h1-discussion
spring cipher
light jacinth
whats the point currently to unlocking relationship hearts past the initial gifting?
slender linden
more unique dialogues/interactions
frosty mountain
slender linden
that sweet sweet lore
light jacinth
im all about it
so i presume further chapters of the game are likely locked behind those later relationship hearts?
slender linden
you can see some hearts are actually locked
probably cause they're not in game yet xD
slender linden
really cool
prisma wind
I'm guessing we'll get 1 
❤ per Major Update 
light jacinth
sounds rad.. i was looking for this kind of game from supergiant
it seems a bit similar
i might finally try transistor now
prisma wind
Transistor is quite good, though I still need to finish it
light jacinth
i grabbed it a long time ago.. and never got around to it
prisma wind
Started it and then got too busy with life and never came back to it 'cause, well, life 😓
light jacinth
yeah totally
prisma wind
If you like the hack 'n' slash of Hades, you'll probably like Bastion as well. It has very similar combat mechanics
gleaming crane
I like Transistor's story and world, not a fan of the gameplay though.
rustic geyser
Did someone do full run on fresh save as first try?
prisma wind
Not sure what you mean... Are you asking if someone has beat the game the actual first time they tried?
rustic geyser
Not the actual first time. Just on the fresh save. Just like the first time you started
spring cipher
Yes
prisma wind
Ah, then yes
spring cipher
people have
I've gotten to the hydra like 5 times
then gave up
I should prolly go AGANE
rustic geyser
How about no-hit runs? Did someone do it on any upgrades?
spring cipher
Not sure
prisma wind
I haven't heard of any no-hit runs
spring cipher
But I wouldnt be surprised
rustic geyser
Thanks for info. No world first fresh save but I can go for no-hit run!
prisma wind
Be sure to post the recording when you manage it! That would be cool to see
rustic geyser
Oh don't worry I keep recording. My best try was up to hydra with no-hit. I can't get past 4 head phase tho
light jacinth
so just wondering but what is so good about these blood gates?
prisma wind
Right now? Almost nothing
prisma wind
They're probably being reworked in the major update, though
spring cipher
I think peoples expectations for the major update are a bit too high
Im just expecting like a new weapon and area
prisma wind
I'm just basing this on the dev responses to feedback, don't see how that's having too high an expecation 😛
spring cipher
That's not too high but like everybody is expecting different things across a wide spectrum
is all
Im just keeping expectations a bit low
azure edge
To be fair, the game has only been in early access for a short time. Changes take a good while to make, especially while they're trying to develop and implement other systems.
I imagine patience will be key here. This is part of the Early Access experience.
spring cipher
Ik Im just thinking they wont be able to reach everyone's expectations
Which i hope isnt too much of a problem
slender linden
yeah i really hope this server wont turn into entitled fanbase expecting too much
cuz thats currently an alarming trend
rotund shard
ofc they won't. nobody with decent logic skill should expect it. it will take a lot of time to implement many changes the community wants
brisk trail
So far this community has been (mostly) lovely
brazen lake
livid cargo
what if my expectations are lots of zag fanart
brisk trail
the wonderful artists here got u covered
halcyon siren
Is there someone else who have a probleme with the feedback option (f10) not working at all, not even displaying ?
prisma wind
Just to confirm, are you running the latest version of the game?
This would be V0.12032, visible in the upper corner of the game when it's running
halcyon siren
got auto update so yeah, the key is set up in option, i just tried to uninstall reinstall the game 5min ago to see if the bug will disapear. v0.12032
prisma wind
Hmmmm, ok, not sure what's up with that, then... I'll boot up Hades and see if it works for me ¯_(ツ)_/¯
halcyon siren
hmm, there is not other way to report an in-game bug? like through their website? it would be easier I think
prisma wind
Works for me... Are you running a single monitor setup? Might be loading in the background
hexed smelt
wait wait wait
halcyon siren
na, got a dual monitor
halcyon siren
well, it's not showing anything
hexed smelt
does your screen turn cyan?
hexed smelt
so the game just continues as if you hadn't pressed anything?
halcyon siren
yup
hexed smelt
hm.
prisma wind
Do you have some function lock on your keyboard that affects the F keys?
halcyon siren
i just have to press 'FN' to have access the the F, but i tried to bind it to a simple key anyway.
My game is full broken 😢
Well, not a big deal anyway
I'll stay at 1 run finished at the counter forever 😦
prisma wind
It may fix itself when the game updates... This would be an appropriate thing to post about in #h1-tech-support , though
Morgan might have more insight when he comes around
halcyon siren
I'll post it, sad that there is not even a button at the menu to report it :x. Well thanks for the help 😃
earnest lark
Hi, new to server where woulld i post about a bug about getting out of bounds?
halcyon siren
in game, press f10 (send a feedback), it's normally working 👀
earnest lark
ah didnt now that, will it send them a screen shot? i took one :/
prisma wind
It saves a screenshot when you press f10 of the current view
earnest lark
Thanks for the info i see it now
prisma wind
If you have a screenshot that you took before reporting, and would like to include it, just provide a link in the feedback window
Out of curiosity, where were you out of bounds? There are some known areas already
earnest lark
Area 1, next room after the mini boss area. I dashed to much(?) into a wall trying to spam Ares's Spinner on a Mob
prisma wind
Interesting, don't think I've seen that one 🙃
hexed smelt
hey, here's a fun little detail i only noticed a couple runs ago: the flowers seen in the vases around the house of hades are actually from asphodel
fading sun
how many areas are in the game at this point?
prisma wind
2
fading sun
ohk cool, I havent gotten past the hydra anyway :p
prisma wind
You'll get there soon enough, I believe in you 
tepid yacht
heck, i got my first "pick a side" room and it was a nightmare
got dunked on real hard by ares
night turret
Artemis and poseidon wreck you day pretty hard too
tepid yacht
i'd believe it
prisma wind
I almost always choose to fight Artemis' enemies if given the choice
gleaming crane
How do they wreck you? I find them to be on the easier side.
fiery pebble
Athena is the hardest
Ares is somewhere in the middle
Poseidon, Artemis and Zeus are the easeist
night turret
I dont know why Athena's "Oh, you had to wait for like 7-10 seconds" can cause trouble
gleaming crane
What does Artemis actually do for those trials? I have not seen any effect.
clever basin
Blinks and crits.
Athena you just have to start out treating it like the "survive X seconds" rooms.
night turret
Artemis makes that enemies start attack and then blink inside your face
clever basin
Walk clockwise around the exterior perimeter.
prisma wind
The type of enemies summoned tends to be influenced by the god your spurn, too, or at least that's my observation
night turret
meeeeh not really
clever basin
Works for me. I still would never choose her cause it's the most annoying to deal with. 😃
prisma wind
I almost always get ranged enemies when I spurn Artemis ¯_(ツ)_/¯
night turret
I get skulls mostly
clever basin
Poseidon spurn sometimes turns into mass non-flying suicide.
prisma wind
Seeing all the blue trails with Poseidon makes me laugh for some reason... I don't know why, it just looks funny to me 🙃
night turret
Water Uncle drowned me in lava 4 times 😦
clever basin
@prisma wind It is funny. Because I anthropomorphize game characters and I imagine them going either "Whee" or "I don't know what's happening."
hexed smelt
also if poseidon happens in asphodel, enemies don't know not to go in the lava
solar coral
void vigil
please keep spoilers in #h1-story-discussion or #h1-builds-and-combat 🙏
fading sun
The trials rooms are the worst cause i dont want either of them to be mad at me q_q
prisma wind
Thanks mods
spring cipher
hexed smelt
yikes sorry about that
proven briar
ah hey so does knockback not work on megaera or something
I got it with one of poseidon's boons
and when I went to her room she just stood there while I pathetically waved my spear around trying (in vain) to resist her advances
prisma wind
Knockback doesn't work on any boss, unfortunately
proven briar
that is
incredibly unfortunate
thank you for the info
back to trying to beat meg up
minor pecan
skellymans "yeahhhh" when being killed: a mood
hasty loom
Achievements after getting full favor and boons from ares The Ghost of Tartarus... The End Begins
proven briar
does anyone have any tips on beating meg with spear
small lake
Channel your inner Beyblade
prisma wind
Spin-dash, baby
small lake
No, charge attack
proven briar
oh thank god
small lake
Spin-dash
proven briar
let it riiiip
small lake
If you Dash while charging it repositions and then releases the attack from wherever you land
small lake
And applies Hunter’s Dash for easy damage doubling
hasty loom
Oh man how good is ares stuff I only seen gameplay videos but haven’t tried it myself yet
prisma wind
Bonus if you can get the +200% range hammer upgrade
small lake
He’s a hit and run god really
prisma wind
Ares is decent, mostly hit-and-run tactics
prisma wind
I just finished a run going from the starting room to the Hydra using almost exclusively Blade Dash. It was goofy
hasty loom
Hmm maybe they could beef up the sword somehow
prisma wind
It just depends on your playstyle for what weapon you want to use
small lake
Actually it’s Zeus, flirty is accurate
prisma wind
They all handle very differently
small lake
Experiment with all of the gods, they all have distinct themes that lend themselves to specific play styles
prisma wind
Er... yeah
void vigil
let’s move to #h1-story-discussion please
prisma wind
Thpoilerth
heavy shoal
Did anyone realize the hades price drop from 19.99 usd to 9.99 usd in epic store ? is it a mistake or ?
prisma wind
Still says $19.99 for me ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Unless it's a localized sale, but I haven't heard anything about it
heavy shoal
is it a bug or ? ive check on the epic launcher and browser idk why its showing me 9.99
dark tusk
it could be a regional pricing difference now that that has apparently been added to the epic store
heavy shoal
maybe. if its not mistake thn imma ask my friend to buy and try it out cuz i already bought it
gleaming crane
Also, I bought the game for 19.99€. Damn it, Epic, you could have made that change earlier 
heavy shoal
ya i agreed
gleaming crane
Thankfully, I'm guessing that means Supergiant got more money out of my purchase... hope so, at least.
heavy shoal
yup 👍
dark tusk
I already have two different stores I don't need a third
prisma wind
In reality I'll probably buy it again when it comes out on Steam. Not saying everyone should do that, though ¯_(ツ)_/¯
gleaming crane
Even though I dislike having to install more launchers, the fact that Epic only takes 12% makes me want to buy there whenever I really love the devs of a game. A shame the launcher itself is crappy, though. The store worked because there weren't many games, but it's starting to get more cluttered and useless. Same with my library. It's fine right now because I only own 4 games, but you can only fit 6 games on one screen, it's insane.
dark tusk
If they improve their services I might consider it but as is it has too many issues
void vigil
I totally plan to rebuy it when it comes to steam as well, honestly
I like the community features and having all my games there, and also I really don’t mind throwing my money at supergiant, lol
dark tusk
I'm waiting untill it comes out on a console sadly. But Supergiant does seem to make lit games, even though I could not get into Transistor for some reason
and i've yet to play the others
void vigil
they rlly are good
And also criminally cheap on sales, if you’re not sure 100% you’ll like them and that’s holding you back from getting them
can always support them more later with buying the soundtracks too, or other merch
dark tusk
I keep meaning to pick up Bastion on ps4 when it's on sale and then forgetting it exists
gleaming crane
Bastion is a good game. Pyre is a masterpiece.
dark tusk
I played the demo of Bastion way back when it came out on the 360. I remember enjoying the feel of it but i dont know how much of that was down to the game vs the controler since it's been so long
I do remember going "I should get this" and then never getting round to it
minor oasis
are you guys brining back Blood drinker next ptach?
small lake
I will be at least but it doesn’t really have anything to do with the game
slender linden
i dont think it saves in the actual game like that... did you see the saving icon?
shut crest
i think it saves the game when you pick up the darkness
void vigil
Please keep spoilers to #h1-story-discussion or #h1-builds-and-combat!
alpine silo
You played Sundered, too?
sterile peak
is sundered good? it looks nice but I absolutely hated jotun
but sundered looks like something to help kill time until the update
quartz blade
sundered is mechanically decent and aesthetically excellent
but grindy
and short, somehow at the same time
sterile peak
I want Hypnos to keep telling me how I died
you die to every enemy and then he just vanishes
safe lodge
Can someone help me with the release date for the update? Image content says 15. Image file name says 19
hexed smelt
it says 19 because this is 2019, presumably
safe lodge
Thanks. That makes sense
fiery pebble
Hopefully we get some information prior to release
alpine stratus
well you didnt get info before the first patch now did you
void vigil
It’s like a day and a half away now isn’t it
alpine stratus
yepppp i think
fiery pebble
2 days Id imagine
Its middle of the day in europe, and americans are behind the times
As always
fiery pebble
Yeah, but thats at least 2 days then
thick sphinx
If travel the right way around the globe will we get the update faster?
slender linden
honestly the only prior information i want is the exact time for planned patch release xD
i dont think thats how it works
thick sphinx
Darn it!
slender linden
you'd just spend the time remaining on travelling instead of waiting xD
thick sphinx
But if it takes me 1 day to travel around the globe and that travel time brings it one step closer, then thats 2 days and BAM i got the update right away! 😮
alpine stratus
🤔 (time travels to the day early access is over) (brings spoilers back from 3902)
i meant 2020 wow
hexed smelt
i win either way bc if it timezones to the 15th then i get to play the patch on my day off, if it timezones to the 16th then i get a patch as a birthday present
alpine stratus
supergiant keeps hades in ea for over one thousand years
void vigil
CURSED
alpine stratus
epic games is legally the ruler of the entire world so sgg like really picked the winning team on that one
night turret
Development hell huh
slender linden
that's why they called the game hell
alpine stratus
see, during the production of hades, the devs legally cannot die
so theyve become immortal by just expanding the game forever
night turret
Well we totally getting dating sim with dusa then
slender linden
btw happy early birthday, Sparrow :3
slender linden
pffft
hexed smelt
thanks :D
ancient elk
Wait @hexed smelt when's your bday
hexed smelt
the 16th!
ancient elk
Heckkk I thought we could b the same day
Mines the 14th
Right surrounding the update lel
deft roost
hey ! so the game is at 17.49€, is it permanent or temporary ?
hexed smelt
¯_(ツ)_/¯
void vigil
That’s probably regional pricing
which was recently implemented in the epic store
afaik, there’s no sale or anything
deft roost
ok thanks
vale drift
Hey, re: regional pricing — we're working on matching our regional pricing to equivalent prices of our titles on other PC game stores. We appreciate the feedback we've received about this.
So @void vigil is correct that it’s not a sale or anything.
prisma wind
Thanks for the confirmation, Greg!
fiery pebble
Oh yeah, I had wondered why it was 20€ instead of Transistors 17€
vale drift
Folks asking about the exact time we’ll post the major update — we don’t have an exact time. Though we’re in the Pacific time and expect it to be on Tuesday this week — it’s Sunday 9:30 so two days from now (probably plus a few hours).
fiery pebble
Late in the evening for europe, as aniticipated
scarlet cedar
any chance we can get patch notes earlier?
vale drift
I think we want it to be a surprise. And more practically, the patch notes is one of the last things we finalize, so it’s simply not ready sooner.
fiery pebble
Aw
hexed smelt
patience, young grasshoppers :P
vale drift
The part where we take a pass at the #hades-feedback posts ahead of time hopefully provides some sense of some of the changes. But with the major updates we do think there’s value in the surprise of some of the main features. Though you can be the judges of that soon.
prisma wind
@scarlet cedar if you want unconfirmed, vague, interpreted results of this round of feedback to sate your thirst for info, you can check out my list here 
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/532786799635070977
I like having a mix of surprise at new features combined with teasers at solutions to feedback 👍
slender linden
welp, the release time is like i thought xD
overwatch patches taught me patience regarding pacific timezone xD
ancient elk
How do you get that cerb emote omg
prisma wind
Step 1) Discord Nitro
Step 2) ???
Step 3) Profit
(Discord Nitro allows you to upload your own custom emotes on your own server)
brisk spade
I can't wait for the patch haha
charred geyser
WOOHOO beat hydra for the first time, and just in time before the big patch 😄
on run 28, aegis
fiery pebble
Now beat it again with only casts
night turret
Uno that is easy what are you saying
charred geyser
hahaha 😉 might be good to have a bit more darkness before I try for challenges
fiery pebble
Without any Artemis boons
night turret
Still not that hard
charred geyser
i had ares and artemis, though artemis only gave me 33% trap and 10% foe protection
night turret
Athena can crack skulls even harder that artemis
charred geyser
arr, athena actually
btw does ambrosia provide anything beyond the first gift atm or is that to come in updates?
prisma wind
You get more lore and scenes from the characters
night turret
Aphrodite eliminates entire purpose of a cast.
charred geyser
ok so gonna keep it to collect gifts first
night turret
I'd better spindash on that range
small lake
They can’t melee you if they’re splattered across the far wall
night turret
Yes and spindash is far, far more reliable that shotgun.
small lake
Plus that’s why Aphrodite supplies the biggest damage resistance buff in the game right now
I’m not arguing that
night turret
Supreme Pink Commander has her pros, but that cast needs some work
gleaming crane
Aphrodite cast might work well with a bow build.
Usually you go weapon for melee, cast for range, but you could try the opposite.
small lake
I bring it on a shield run and just stack health and damage resistance
The thing is, Aphrodite’s cast isn’t a regular shotgun
It’s a double barrel
First shot chunks and applies weak, the second tap gets boosted by Sweet Surrender and nothing walks away
gleaming crane
And if they do walk away, you got your third and fourth tap.
small lake
And if they do manage to get a hit in, Different League and weakness mean they only deal about 2 damage
ancient elk
I really like the aphro cast because it does a decent amount of damage fast, like if you have sword and you've got a combo in just use the cast to finish off an enemy
brisk trail
i sometimes use it as dash into croud -> scattershot twice (now the croud has 1 or 2 strong mobs left and are weakened) and pound em with whatever weapon/main ability your going
vale kite
love shotgun
brisk trail
my favourite build so far has been
bow + triple shot + hunter dash
melted meg in a matter of seconds
queen mist
When does the release for the new content bump happen? I saw the thing in announcments but its not clear on my end when it was posted 😓
brisk trail
no problemo!
strong granite
@brisk trail tested out full-sword-poseidon-q. Meg melted me tho. but pve is kinda op)
brisk trail
out of all the weapons i fought meg with i felt sword was the hardest
brave jolt
too close to comfort
brisk trail
life drinker (bless its soul) was great against her with all the mobs spawning though
it took a while but i beat her without much stress
brave jolt
YOU GOTTA BELIEVE
gleaming crane
Pretty OP. Works on Meg and also works on the Hydra thanks to the bloodless spawns.
gleaming crane
Way too easy to abuse. For it to start no being OP, you'd need to make it not work on boss' minions, not work on chests, not work on "survive for 55 seconds" type rooms, not work on numbskulls spawned by skullomats, and even then, it would be worth taking every single time.
The only way you could make it work would be maybe as a "1 HP per 10 enemies, 3HP max per room".
prisma wind
Could be tied to a cast embed ability. That is, lifesteal only activates if you hit an enemy with a cast embedded in them
And/or only proc after a certain number of hits (like every 3rd or something)
hexed smelt
proc off of enemies killed, maximum number of enemies per room so you can't farm full health off of a skullomat or meg
gleaming crane
That's why I said "1 HP per 10 enemies, 3HP max per room". You'll get at least 1HP per room, you'll get 2 on most rooms, sometimes 3, it's still really good and worth taking but not completely broken.
ancient elk
Lifesteal wasn't broken when it cut 50% of your health I'm pretty sure
Although that was the start of the game
So I wasn't that good a player and might've just died cus of that
brisk trail
its really hard to find that balance between overpowered and not worth using with lifesteal
ancient elk
If they made it +2% hp on dash attacks only would that be too broken?
Actually that's too easy to abuse nvm
gleaming crane
50% of your starting health is just one centaur heart.
Once you get the hang of the game, you get to Meg with full or nearly full health, so it's fine, really.
The only way to make it not broken is by having a limit on how much HP you can regain per room.
jaunty falcon
its going to be revealed or going live jan 15th ?
alpine stratus
OOOOOHHH
loud flower
Would anyone have a high res picture of our boi Hypnos laying around by some chance
prisma wind
You can pull it off of the wiki 👍
loud flower
There's a wiki? Y'all work fast
prisma wind
prisma wind
The regular link to the wiki is pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat if you need it later
olive jungle
oh! hypnos is left-handed
i just. noticed that
hades, zag, and achilles are all right-handed...
prisma wind
You could say it was left up to artistic interpretation
olive jungle
oh meg's also right-handed
rip hypnos
the one lefty in a house full of right-handed people
prisma wind
Zeus is holding the lightning bolt with his left ¯_(ツ)_/¯
prisma wind
But I mean, just 'cause they're holding something in a picture with that hand doesn't mean that it's their dominant hand... Could be ambidextrous, or just holding it for the pose 
olive jungle
i mean you can say anything is "just for a pose" if you wanted to
but yes they could be ambidextrous, honestly it would be weirder if they weren't, but who knows, maybe even gods are subject to the whims of chirality
prisma wind
This is all very... sinister
olive jungle
ares is holding his sword in his left hand so you know, you could make an argument for the sinister thing if you really wanted to lol
prisma wind
Interestingly, all the Olympian gods that we have images for are favouring their "weapon" in the left hand
fiery pebble
I guess Hypnos was left to his own devices
prisma wind
Too sleepy too be dextrous, I guess
slender linden
he was asleep when there was a line for right handedness xD
hexed smelt
yaaaay made some changes to the wiki
void vigil
im going through it and i noticed something missing, there's no Hammer in the list for charons wares on his page
hexed smelt
good catch
hexed smelt
:D yeah i fixed that yyyyesterday i think? or the day before. time's dumb.
there were a couple left
void vigil
also, the final boss image on its page seems not to work?
maybe its just me
same with the slam dancer image
also the pest image is rlly stretched out and off center, but idk how hard that is to fix/how relevant it is
hexed smelt
that's weird, could have sworn those images were there before
olive jungle
unfortunately the pic for the pest is rly small and it seems like the info template stretches it out
it could be fixed by making the canvas size bigger tho
(that's my fault gjdfgf)
hexed smelt
oh my god there are so many idle frames for this thing
please i just need it to face the front
void vigil
ok please let me know if my wiki nitpicking is annoying and ill stop. but theres also no image in the hammer page and the shield's peerless parry is also no longer in the game
olive jungle
rip broken shield
hexed smelt
oh right i noticed the peerless parry thing earlier and i was gonna do the same strikeout thing as was done for lifedrinker but i couldn't find the description for it anywhere, so
void vigil
uh i dont have the wording but its 500% deflect damage apparently
if brilliant riposte is any indication its probably something like "Your Deflect attacks deal 500% damage" but i can also look for it in letsplays to make sure
hexed smelt
alright, boss has image now
hexed smelt
@brisk trail the feedback channel is currently closed until the next major patch. if there's a feature you think would make a good addition to the game, i'd suggest putting it in there once the feedback channel is open again
brisk trail
Hum, my post vanished.
void vigil
brisk trail
Ugh.
olive jungle
but just so you know, SGG has signalled that there might be a run timer of some sort coming up in the upcoming update
brisk trail
Ah! Nice!
olive jungle
That's obviously just a maybe since the update isn't out yet and SGG won't release patch notes ahead of the update, but it seems like there may be something to that effect
alpine stratus
and if there isnt, then when feedback reopens, you can have one person give feedback so it can be voted on!!
void vigil
you should check out the other channels and their descriptions !
brisk trail
I did.
Feedback was indeed closed, but farkerhaiku told me to get people aware of the timer idea, so I just posted it here, which apparently wasn't appropriate.
void vigil
"We plan to launch the update sometime during the day on Tuesday, January 15 (Pacific time). Around then, we will be clearing out some of the feedback in this channel, and re-opening the channel so you can send us your latest impressions. Details about this process in the pinned posts."
brisk trail
All good though.
calm hinge
any major update content predictions?
near lion
theres a lot in #hades-feedback already
nothing else i could say myself really, thats all i could expect besides other things like updated character portraits
and maybe a new area or something but i doubt it
void vigil
who knows
well find out soon enough
my other theory if its not nyx is that its Chaos
normal zephyr
Rework of the blood/chaos room incoming?
void vigil
yep
normal zephyr
Ahh, that would be nice.
void vigil
you can check #hades-feedback for a very general idea of what is and is not in the patch
gleaming crane
Plot twist: it's Hades. A man has the right to dress nicely sometimes.
small lake
The true Hades is normal sized
The man we see at the desk is actually a painstakingly crafted effigy made entirely out of mustache hair
dark tusk
I'm gonna be sad if that is Nyx, somehow I feel like the shawled temp version fits her better. Then again, i could just be used to it, and I think it looks good on most of the characters who wear it. Seems to just kinda.... fit
small lake
I think Nyx looks really good with the temp art too
Maybe a sheer veil instead of full robes
alpine silo
Wow. This is unbelievable. They’re going to release the next major patch without any announcement to hype thing up? This behavior is unprecedented! This era...
prisma wind
@small lake So you're saying that he was groomed for the position at the desk?
I don't know what you mean, Drake? They've been mentioning it since the game launched
Or you just mean teasers for new content?
alpine silo
Yes!
signal spoke
the feedback channel should provide you with some idea of what they are looking to work on for the major patch if you're looking for what may lie ahead
alpine silo
Maybe, I’m just used to announcing of a future announced of the announcement of the ..... of the next major patch. This is strange.
Well, right now, I only want to know when exactly is this next patch hit
prisma wind
I'm kind of glad that it's a surprise
alpine silo
Down to an hour
signal spoke
they have not said the exact hour
prisma wind
If you're looking for that precision, it's not going to happen, Greg said as much in this channel earlier today
dark tusk
I reckon if it's to do with Nyx like people say it will at least in part focus on a expansion or reworking of the mirror of night and it's abilities
prisma wind
But he implied that it would likely drop mid-day local time
small lake
Wight
prisma wind
What 
dark tusk
Granted that is mainly a guess
small lake
I’m mostly angry that I’m not the one who thought of that pun
prisma wind
I... what is even... I don't think I made a pun?*
*recently, in this channel
small lake
Groomed for his position
prisma wind
Oh, that
Yes
I did say that
I already forgot, that's how casually I pun
Maybe you need to change your name to Dr. Guioutoftouch though, to represent your missed pun opportunities
Though I guess the trend is dropping the first part, so the Gui would go away? I don't know how this works 
prisma wind
Nice 👌
left crag
i can't wait for the update.
late cipher
Does Hades include DRM of any kind?
No, Hades is DRM-free.
Does that mean after buying I won't have to use the CrEpic Launcher again?
small lake
You can immediately add it to your Steam library if you want
left crag
yeah i did that aswell
olive jungle
you have to keep the epic launcher in order to install updates
late cipher
Thank goodness. And thanks to you for the quick answer.
olive jungle
but you don't have to run the game through it
hard junco
hey does anyone possibly know or has mentioned before an estimated time that the hades update will be going thru
late cipher
Too bad, no updates for me.
hard junco
ahh okay thanks 😃
late cipher
Excuse my persistence, but will there be Steam keys for the full release? So you can get updates from that point on? I'm a expecting a No here, because the intention is clearly to actively split fans of Supergiant from Steam. No worries, though, I'll gladly buy the game on Steam after the release. I'm just considering buying it in EA, too, because I'm really looking forward to playing it. Depends on how customer-friendly Epic turns out to be, because for now at least they're developer-friendly.
Maybe if there'd be a launcher-launcher, this whole Steam vs GOG vs Epic Store vs Origin vs Uplay nonsense wouldn't be so annoying... 🤔
olive jungle
Supergiant's games have always been DRM-free, with launchers serving entirely as community platforms and distribution centers for pushing updates, since that isn't something that Supergiant can handle on their own. They explain their reasoning for choosing Epic in the faq. I don't think they really care what platform we use it on, it's just that this is what's working for them now.
The game will be released on other platforms after its development is finished. For now, during the EA process, it's Epic only though, and presumably after release you would need to purchase a new copy on Steam, since the digital storefronts are distinct.
However since the game is DRM free, you're welcome to add it to your Steam library, though you won't have access to Steam community features.
late cipher
Okay, that's what I figured. Wouldn't make any sense otherwise. I'd gladly pay Supergiant twice for their games, I'm just unsure if I want to pay Epic at all.
Thanks for clarification.
brazen stone
Pacific time is 8 hours behind me
so I might not catch the update tomorrow 😦
night turret
11 behind me as well
olive jungle
17 behind me ^^; it'll probably be wednesday before it drops for me
tepid wedge
8 behind me, I guess I have to delay to wednesday
the sleep, I mean
do you think we can expect a new documentary with the patch? 🤔
digital lava
Do is the Hades update today?
digital lava
What is it in Earth time?
hexed lynx
signal pendant
depends, earth is a big one, have 24 different times
olive jungle
more than 24, if you count places where they change the minute value too
signal pendant
oh yeah, those half of hour guys
I always forget about em
oh, funny 45 minutes do exist too
+13 +14
Well, nice
tepid wedge
also in some places we have summer time
signal pendant
Sure but it is bit different
dark tusk
Hades update will be sometime in the next 48 hours
noble plover
Uhm
Is there a specific time for the update release?
GMT-+smth
Maybe a timer?..
_>
alpine stratus
Not that i know of!
olive jungle
No specific time, no
noble plover
((
drowsy karma
People crave for the update.
night turret
i want it so bad, i cant play the game
dark tusk
Update or bust
drowsy karma
Busts.
fickle karma
a bust of Zag
night turret
Sadly, there no bust of Dusa
fiery pebble
Thats easy to fix, just give her a mirror
dark tusk
Yeah but now you have no cleaner. 🤔
fickle karma
Hell would just crumble without Dusa
torn zephyr
New patch pleaseee 
slender linden
tomorrow
blissful gulch
weirdly enough, when i started to play first, shield was the easiest weapon to play with, and now shield is just a no-dmg weapon that makes hydra actually a challenge 🤔
radiant star
So what do you use now?
fiery pebble
Eh, shield is still good
Its just not as good as it used to be
But dash double-tap is still great
Id say its just below spear
fiery pebble
Yeah, its a bit tricky
humble pollen
Shield is below sword and spear for me
I find the base attack range is really low
Which worked when it had deflect for free 😛 But doesn’t feel as good now
strong granite
lol. just made an entire run with zeus-dash and super nova
did not even used the attck at all
strong granite
ultra good I can say. Not a single reason to booost attack at all
stable plinth
Zeus in general is pretty good time in general
strong granite
Have not met Ares quite for a while . hm
humble pollen
Ares is prob my least fav 😛
stable plinth
For me its Athena or Poseidon
Mostly because they both have a lot of boons that 'ruin' your dodge, so overall pool is weaker
Plus Poseidon's bounty boons that I tend to find in absolute worst times :p
kind kayak
You know what makes me the most sad, when looking at the feedback and what got looked into or considered for inclusion of the next patch?
They didnt look into the issue, of us not being able to pet the doggo :(
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/505853920866861058/534381299549470731/2019-01-14_15.38.49.png
alpine stratus
no no.......they left it open for further votes
slender linden
check pinned in this channel 👀
kind kayak
first pinned post for me
"thinking (time travels to the day early access is over) (brings spoilers back from 3902)"
🤔
slender linden
ok should've been specific. first pinned in order of pinning xD
this one is the latest
kind kayak
Cuz patting good boi feels rewarding
humble pollen
I think they’re def adding it eventually
opal viper
At what hour the update will be available tomorrow ?
alpine stratus
its a surprise!
loud flower
Are blade rifts useless
fiery pebble
Theyre reasonable
The dash is a bit finnicky, since it spawns on your original position, but the cast is good for roomclearing
alpine stratus
i LOVE blade dash
tepid wedge
someone said it can be expected in the middle of the day in local time
opal viper
I m in France so it ll be like 9 hours later for me
strong granite
@loud flower add blade rift as a cast, blade rift after a dash, prolong them and give them more damage
Meg is melting in , like, several seconds
tepid wedge
I'm in the same time zone 😢
loud flower
poor meg
strong granite
Love her tho.
opal viper
@strong granite like you dash for the first blade rift and then throw your cast in ?
tepid wedge
i hope we can give her more gift soon
strong granite
I'm currently have a crush on her voice
alpine stratus
ooooohh same
alpine stratus
WE ARE ALL
LOVE MEGS VOICE
strong granite
@opal viper so-o-omething close to that. I'm still battling between choosing dashing on a mouse position or on a wasd
Me after hearing her for the first time be like "ok, I allow you to kill me infinite times just to make your voicelines longer" lol
strong granite
Dusa gotta be jealous as hell
opal viper
Could we get a list of names for the dub ?
alpine stratus
the credits are in the main . menu of the game aaaand pinned somewhere leme find
hexed smelt
pinned in spoilers
opal viper
I ll go see it
hollow pumice
don't do it
opal viper
The voice actress for meg is pretty =)
strong granite
oh I bet
opal viper
Avalon penrose
strong granite
Isn't she a singer of a sort? I'm pretty sure I've heard that name...
strong granite
that's just an amplua, y'know)
opal viper
Yes voice =/= physique
alpine stratus
yeah she looks like thatd be her voice imo
strong granite
anyway. ❤
fiery pebble
Also, headcanon: once youtube gets created, Meg makes an ASMR channel
strong granite
There is nothing bad in ASMR until it's a boobie-fan-service which I find disgusting
strong granite
(sorry)
alpine stratus
asmr meg kills you
fiery pebble
Also yeah, Logan is great
strong granite
triggered eeeach time
fiery pebble
His voice is like melted butter
opal viper
ASMR works for me with some sounds
fiery pebble
Possibly even better than Morgan Freemans voice
alpine stratus
asmr doesnt rly work on me like its supposed to i dont think hjfhjfhj im just like. okay this is awkward.
fiery pebble
It doesnt do anything for me either
fickle karma
Logan's voice is definitely at least on par with Morgan Freeman's voice
fiery pebble
Then again, I just prefer quiet
fickle karma
it's crazy
alpine stratus
logans voice is amazing bc hes CHAMELEON
fiery pebble
And the background noise of a highway about 500 meters from your house
alpine stratus
aj and boxer and hades and poisiedon and rucks all from one man!!!
fiery pebble
I thought that would be annoying, but its actaully kinda soothing
fickle karma
Logan can do all the voices
alpine stratus
anything familiar is calming
fickle karma
and they always sound amazing
opal viper
@alpine stratus maybe you didn t found the trigger that works for you
fiery pebble
Its not even that its familiar
It just sounds like wind if youre high up on a mountain
strong granite
I'm just watching our chatline from coming out to say we love Mag to discussing ASMR mountain sounds;D
fiery pebble
Instead of the cacophony I expected
Look, online chat is weird
You can jump so many topics in such a short time that if you were to try and follow it back from the start, youd get whiplash
Like Zag whenever he encounters Meg
alpine stratus
thats the nature of conversationing uou
strong granite
( offtopic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nda20uSjQUI )
vale kite
dawn of the final day
wispy sorrel
hasty frost
im so excited to play again aahhh i cant believe a mont has gone by so quickly?
tepid wedge
but it's still a day and that day will take forever
vestal hull
dawn of the final day
hasty frost
i should play when i get home from work in preperation
it's been so long since a patch i wonder whats gonna change 👀
vestal hull
i only bought the game recently, like this month recently, so i've no idea what the game was like in earlier versions
so i have zero idea what could change
ancient elk
This is the first major update they've done
They've only been doing patches since the beginning, but tbh in some they added a decent amount!
ripe anchor
tepid wedge
I just hope that there will be enough new/different stuff to do a few runs at least
tranquil terrace
So hype
hasty frost
honestly the character art is what im super hyped abt
hasty frost
im hoping that we get a new area and im excited to see if that tones down [SPOILERS] difficulty otherwise im gonna die so much in the next area lmao
gleaming crane
Sysiphus is actually several boulders in a hood.
hasty frost
the boss for area 2?? bad and i hate it
not bad as in bad
bad as in im bery bad against him and im blaming the game instead of my own skill 
vestal hull
mood
strong granite
Happens to the best of us
vestal hull
i have had one single successful run
strong granite
Same
hasty frost
ive had three or so
gleaming crane
Don't blame the game, I don't want the devs to make it easier 
strong granite
see?)
fiery pebble
Yeah, tbh I think the balance is about right
Maybe with more floors the earlier difficulty can be toned down a bit
hasty frost
first with pre-nerfed shield and twice with the bow. one pre-aprho nerf one post
gleaming crane
Apparently, someone has made a second savefile and beat it on their second try this time. So not many mirror upgrades.
strong granite
more pain more gain, yo
hasty frost
i think the balance is p good too imo. balance depends if we get some new gods or not 👀
vestal hull
i can tell that the game is definitely not TOO hard since i actually did a successful run, where as things like dead cells i never even saw the second boss lol
fiery pebble
I actually stopped playing Dead Cells before I got to the end
gleaming crane
With lots of mirror upgrades, it does get a lot easier, too. I'm looking forward to finally upgrading the chances of rare and epic boons, I've had the most horrendous luck with some runs only giving me common ones. Ever.
fiery pebble
Maybe I should play it again
slender linden
i dont want the devs to make the game easier. i want the devs to add optional easy mode
gleaming crane
Final boss of Dead Cells has been nerfed pretty bad.
ancient elk
@gleaming crane I think a decent amount of people have beaten it without mirror? And some people have beaten it fresh file
slender linden
cries in casual
hasty frost
i think that my biggest qol i would like is if we had more options for healing
but thats just a personal thing for me :^)
gleaming crane
First the Assassin was horribly hard. Then they added the King's Hand and the Assassin was nerfed a lot. Then they gave you a lot of legendary weapons. Then they nerfed the King's Hand. Dead Cells is way easier than it was before.
vestal hull
i like the idea of having easy/hard mode toggles in the menu
strong granite
I'm looking forward to have something similar to vampiric touch mechanic
vestal hull
allows people to make the game challenging but also allows for people to just enjoy the story
ancient elk
It was busted
fiery pebble
Its just a crutch
strong granite
oh=(
ancient elk
It wasnt overrated it was OP
fiery pebble
Nah
gleaming crane
Sure, it's a crutch, but with it you simply couldn't die.
No skill required to win.
hasty frost
i think easy/hard modes for roguelikes is p hard to do
fiery pebble
Course you could
slow ravine
@gleaming crane wasn't the difficulty on boss cell runs ramped up in the December update?
ancient elk
It was literally get it and win the game
slender linden
honestly they spoiled casual players in their previous games and now Hades is really challenging Q.Q
fiery pebble
I mean you can easily win the game without it
And for good players it just wasnt interesting
gleaming crane
Don't know about boss cells, I stopped playing once I beat King's Hand once.
ancient elk
Yes you can easily win without it but if you arent good enough to easily win then it just gave a free win
gleaming crane
Well, Hades is a rogue-lite. Part of the point is being challenging.
vestal hull
i have no idea what values would be balanced for something like this, i'm not a video game designer, but toggles in the menu that give enemies more health/deal more damage, increase healing item drops (or turn them off entirely), etc etc, make the game a lot more accessible to everyone
fiery pebble
In some ways, yes
slender linden
knowing their previous record, there probably will be some limiters to make the game harder added at some point
vestal hull
"hardcore gamers" can get super challenging experiences from just turning on all the hardest settings, and casual players who just suck at the game can still try to enjoy it with a much more relaxed gameplay experience
ancient elk
I think considering SGG has a passionate fanbase about their previous games and that they haven't made a roguelike before it'd be a good idea to make it easier with optional challenge added
fiery pebble
Yeah, I imagine the limiters will be the outlet for challenge in the end
But for now, I think having it be more challenging makes the feedback system easier
As numbers can easily be tweaked
But mechanics need time
slender linden
but also all of their previous games had easy mode so it's not unfair of me to expect something similar in hades
fiery pebble
And the most "hardcore" players tend to be the best at dissecting said mechanics
gleaming crane
A game needs a bit of challenge. As it is, Hades is on the easier side of rogue-lites already, with some builds being really easy to win with.
vestal hull
yeah, i wouldn't expect, or want, any of those sorts of toggles added this early in development
slow ravine
@vestal hull Technically the mirror serves that purpose, but with the caveat that you have to slowly unlock easy mode, instead of the other way around.
Which is fundamentally why I dislike the mirror as a concept, but hey.
vestal hull
gotta get the core down properly and all
gleaming crane
It will.
When you have 6 casts and deal 400 damage with each, you don't need hand eye coordination.
vestal hull
i mean, people need to be good enough to get past the first few rooms
girlfriend tried the game and died to the wretches in the immediate first room, before you even know what's going on
ancient elk
@gleaming crane you're really passionate about casts huh 😂
vestal hull
yknow, the tutorial room
slender linden
poor girl xD
hexed smelt
i mean, same
gleaming crane
That's because casts aren't as skilled based as proper weapon builds @ancient elk
hexed smelt
and now i'm disappointed with myself if i don't reach hydra
vestal hull
no matter how powerful a buff/combination of buffs is, it means nothing if a player can't actually play the game at all
ancient elk
Aww don't do yourself dirty like that
vestal hull
if they don't fundamentally understand when to dodge or how to even attack, they're just gonna die
hexed smelt
it's supposed to be difficult, it's supposed to take time to Get Good
fiery pebble
True, but I think at that point you cant really fix that
ancient elk
Unless you have 3 dashes, then it's just spam attack spam attack etc
fiery pebble
Without taking away the game element of the game
hexed smelt
if you can beat the game the first time you pick it up then what's even the point
fiery pebble
But it is a complicated topic
slender linden
and arguably cast builds seem a little boring the way you describe it
like, easy. but boring
vestal hull
well no you can't, i'm just making a point that its theoretically impossible to make a "free win" build
gleaming crane
You just gotta learn from your mistakes, really. Dying in the first few rooms is fine your first tries. If you stll can't get past the first few rooms after hours of training, maybe that kind of game is just not for you.
fiery pebble
How easy should you make your game? Every media has its inaccessible ones, so how inaccessible can you have it?
The answer with video games is apparently bullet hells
slender linden
oof
fiery pebble
Oh and highest level fighting games
Fighting against a good Nine the Phantom is hell
slender linden
Asphodel sometimes turns into a bullet hell. where you can barely even see where you are. and everything is on fire.
@_@
vestal hull
god i love Nine
gleaming crane
Deflect.
fiery pebble
I really hope you do not mean to play against
gleaming crane
Deflect those dark sphere. Deflect those bombs.
fiery pebble
I still get nightmares sometimes
vestal hull
no i mean in The Big Gay way
slender linden
gee thanks
fiery pebble
Thats fair
slow ravine
@fiery pebble I'd say most PvP games have the same difficulty; be better than your opponent. Exceptions being Tic-Tac-Toe and other solved / nearly solved games.
slender linden
ill sure see when to deflect when a smoke obscures my view of the bombers xD
fiery pebble
Eh, this is a case of barrier of entry
gleaming crane
There're few things as satisfying as killing a slam dancer with its own bombs.
fiery pebble
PvP like MOBAs and shooters have relatively low barrier of entry
Anime fighters have a pretty damn high one
gleaming crane
Well, that's your fault for staying in the smoke, what are you doing not dashing away?
fiery pebble
Also, Azrael>Nine
slender linden
avoiding enemies? lava pits?
you're saying all of these obvious things because it's easy to you
vestal hull
but azrael isn't a girl, i'm already starting to see problems here buddy
fiery pebble
In that case, Kokonoe
hexed smelt
danni, unovven, #off-topic-discussion if it's not related to hades please
gleaming crane
That's why you gotta train? Does it really matter if you finally get good at the game on your 100th try? What's important is making progress.
fiery pebble
Right, right
fiery pebble
Id say less casual mode
And more limiters providing the challenge, while regular stuff gets tuned down
vestal hull
or both?
slender linden
both
void vigil
that sounds like more work somehow
vestal hull
i'm of the opinion that any game that can have menu toggles that increase/decrease difficulty and accessibility should try to implement them
hexed smelt
what's wrong with a game being challenging
fiery pebble
I guess the point is that not everyone wants a challenge
slender linden
nothing
vestal hull
nothing, if anything i want every game to be able to be extremely challenging, but also at the same time i want every game to be able to be extremely relaxed
slender linden
but the moment playing a game turns into a training chore when maybe you dont have much time to play means you dont get to finish the game you were excited to play because it was too hard
and, again. their previous games have difficulty switch and additional limiters
so having this also in hades would be nice
like, am i gonna finally beat the second boss? or even get to it? yeah, probably. am i gonna be frustrated and tired? oh yeah
slow ravine
I don't think Hades has a bad difficulty problem, but it's not a non-issue in general. Could be that some people want to experience the story without putting in X hours to get good enough at the game for it, or just feel they can't get that good. Also useful to remember that the people chatting on a game's discord on a regular basis aren't always reflective of the full userbase.
slender linden
git gut isn't really useful tip for games xD
gleaming crane
Once you beat a game, you've beaten it. There's nothing more to do except beat it again. You can currently unlock everything that's unlockable in Hades without even beating the game. Difficulty is what makes you play the game again, trying to beat it. Replayability is a core component of rogue-lite games. With casual mode, you beat the game easily, then you're done with it. You could argue that the next step is beating it without casual mode. But the thing is, you've learned how to win casual mode. And the method to do that is different from winning normal mode. You'd need to unlearn all those bad habits, which you'd never take if you'd played regular the first time. If you just want to experience the story, why not just watch a let's play?
void vigil
watching let’s plays is a different experience
I don’t understand the problem with an easy/casual mode. If you don’t wanna use it, it’s not for you
slender linden
exactly
hexed smelt
i'm not against the idea of an 'easy mode', i'm against the idea of making the game easy mode by default
void vigil
yeah ofc
slender linden
agreed
void vigil
it’d be cool if it was like bastion’s no sweat mode
vestal hull
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Not everyone wants to replay a game, so needing to unlearn what they learned to beat a specific difficulty is a non-issue to those players.
-
The increase/decrease difficulty options aren't something that everyone has to access at all. They are there for people who would desire them, and their existence alone will bring more people into the game since it becomes more accessible for a wider audience of people.
hasty frost
i mean hades has a story to tell
slender linden
i'm also not saying i want a casual mode where you just never die
vestal hull
the point of a game is what the player wants it to be
humble pollen
No the whole point is petting Cerberus
slender linden
its kinda the point, you gotta die a bit for the story parts xD
hasty frost
i have to disagree with that danni
slender linden
i'd just like something a bit easier
hasty frost
the gamer can make whatever they want out of the game, but the game is designed to be replayed
humble pollen
I’d be on board for a filthy casual mode for people like me
fiery pebble
The point of a game is what the developer makes it to be
humble pollen
Sometimes I just want to destress
fiery pebble
Games like Dark Souls are enjoyable because you cant turn down the difficulty
slender linden
honestly that doesnt sound enjoyable, that sounds like hell xD
humble pollen
This is why I don’t play dark souls 😛
hasty frost
that's fair. i just wonder how they would take it from a balance perspective
slow ravine
Hard disagree on that, UnOvven.
fiery pebble
It is for a specific kind of player, yes
void vigil
the truth of the matter is that souls games appeal to a very specific crowd, and the more accessible your game is the more people will play it
slow ravine
And I have like, 1000 hours of DS3
fiery pebble
I didnt like it much myself because combat was too slow
I like hard and fast combat
To an extent, yes
vestal hull
Tried Bloodborne? its a lot more aggressive
slow ravine
Don't have the console, so I haven't.
fiery pebble
And I do think that Hades could use a lower difficulty than now (with the option of limiters) since SGGs audience is more "casual"
But first the games mechanics need to be nailed down
hexed smelt
it took me about 25 runs to start getting past meg consistently and another 25 to start consistently getting to the end of asphodel
slender linden
ye
hasty frost
accessibility is a really hard thing to pin down
since hades is totally different from anything ssg has before, i don't think that its they risk isolating their core audience
slender linden
im not saying i want it now. but it would be nice to have in finished game
vestal hull
its definitely not something they should work on yet
void vigil
I feel like this discussion is going around in circles somewhat
slender linden
watch me be like, you're on the final final boss and im like YAY FINALLY BEAT SECOND BOSS WOOO xD
fiery pebble
*Im on the final final boss with no mirror upgrades, cast-only, and no Artemis
fiery pebble
Ive not actually done a no-mirror run yet
hasty frost
that second boss is hard!! beating him is gonna be a mwah moment no matter what
slow ravine
Honestly, I feel like most of the difficulty of Hades comes from understanding upgrades, upgrade paths and Obol budgeting, and not from mechanical difficulty.
fiery pebble
Sort of yes, sort of no
slow ravine
Lot of it you have to learn by trial and error.
fiery pebble
There are few mechanically difficult sections
vestal hull
i started performing SO MUCH BETTER when i joined this server and found out that legendary boons aren't random chance
fiery pebble
But they are mechanically difficult
slender linden
i mean, you kinda gotta know when and what to dodge
hexed smelt
plus we have to remember that the game's only got two areas so far, so of course the difficulty curve is going to change as it expands
hasty frost
my difficulty is the mobs in asphodel hurt me a lot :'((
vestal hull
which i'll also restate what i said at the time and say that the game should inform you that boons upgrade into other boons
hexed smelt
lot of it you have to learn by trial and error good thing death is cheap then huh
fiery pebble
Well, you should avoid getting hit
hasty frost
just dont get hit 
hexed smelt
unovven is secretly hypnos
slow ravine
@hexed smelt Yeah, which is why I'm mostly fine with it
gleaming crane
Piece of cheap Discord broke on me just as I was gonna add something.
fiery pebble
The high damage encourages you to learn that
slender linden
i hope maybe when they add later areas, they'll tone down current late-game xD
hasty frost
i mean i know that
but getting hit by orbs from three high ranking wizards while ur being chased by boney bois?
fiery pebble
Yeah what Im saying is that the high damage drives the point home
slow ravine
The upgrade path thing being something that exists and is totally unexplained I have a bit of an issue with, though. Heck, I only came across it when looking through boon info for the wiki.
void vigil
guys pls no spoilers
fiery pebble
I think theyre called witches?
Actually I have no idea, I only know Wretches and Louts
gleaming crane
I am against a traditional casual mode. What I wouldn't mind, however, would be a respawn system. Maybe a keepsake that lets you respawn when you die. But as soon as you do, you're barred from getting more keys and darkness for that run.
void vigil
yes they’re witches or casters
slender linden
yeet the orbs back at them with deflect, Alve
fiery pebble
Also, next area should have an enemy type called the "boneless"
slow ravine
Floaty Mc.Shootsatyous are called Witches, yeah.
fiery pebble
Theyre just walking blobs of meat
hasty frost
okay!! i wasnt sure if area 2 discussion was gucci or not yet since i saw ppl talk abt it
slender linden
the problem is when you dont get the deflect upgrade q.q
hasty frost
athena boons?? r a r e
slender linden
is it?
void vigil
I dunno if area 2 discussion in general is not for here but 2nd boss discussions/mentions are not
slender linden
like, starting with it asdfg
slow ravine
Witches are in area 1 too, though
fiery pebble
It is, yes
void vigil
it’s the best rn because it has the most damage potential and a deflect
slender linden
thats why ive been saying second boss cuz its vague enough i think? xD
fiery pebble
And no other keepsake is really good on the first floor
slender linden
huh
fiery pebble
Skull Earring isnt something you want to have active, and also entirely unneccessary
void vigil
To start with, maybe spiked collar or lucky tooth will be better if you’re not confident in your skills
hexed smelt
skull earring is good if you're good enough not to get hit once you're in the 40% range
void vigil
yeah saying “2nd boss” and stuff is fine! Just not by name
slow ravine
I'd advise doing not-for-realsies runs for Darkness until you can unlock some of the survivability mirror upgrades, too.
Since those make a bigger impact than keepsakes.
fiery pebble
Death Defy, health upon entering rooms, and dashes specifically
Those make the game much easier
slender linden
cool thanks for confirmation Alma!
hexed smelt
doing funsies runs for darkness is also great because you can jsut faff about with things you wouldn't normally take just to see how they work
vestal hull
avenging gain was very useful for me, once i had the keys to get it
oh and even though you might suck with specific weapons (like i sucked with bow for so long), the 10% darkness increase from picking the specific weapon thats highlighted at the start of a run is worth it
slender linden
lol AE i was doing ambrosia run to get god keepsakes secured and beat Meg for the first time on accident xD good times
now i get to her pretty consistently
hexed smelt
get hit by an enemy, hit em back
i tried taking it off for a run and immediately regretted it
hexed smelt
iiiii'm not sure exactly but i know it's like bloodborne with the health bar thing