unless you want another reroll but eh
#h1-discussion
latent moon
latent moon
actually it is hera yeah rolls kinda good
maiden narwhal
this run aphrodite was more or less ri
stone rune
i would just take bouldy
maiden narwhal
her first boon made me roll twice and get nothing
her second boon made me roll once to get cast
you say ri is death, then you take bouldy over key
idgi
stone rune
because its bouldy
latent moon
ri is death bc of dark foresight
not bc of losing rolls
also i forgot you ran out of rolls lmao
maiden narwhal
because its bouldy
enjoy your ambiguity
stone rune
i dont understand why u would ever not want a free room
maiden narwhal
also i forgot you ran out of rolls lmao
i didn't mean in specific to this run tho, i meant in general
because that was my doors offer when i asked
maiden narwhal
i dont understand why u would ever not want a free room
because it takes almost no time or effort to kill a bunch of mobs in tartarus, and then i get another dice
i don't udnerstand why you're having trouble with this
latent moon
well like jazz and i dont play the game casually anymore so we always just take the free room
since getting through is the priority, not the reward
stone rune
i mean i play the game casually
maiden narwhal
yeah but you can still like.. remember what casual game was like
latent moon
i mean i play the game casually
you speedrun and call anything that cant get a low time bad that is not casual
latent moon
yeah but you can still like.. remember what casual game was like
i mean i always take bouldy bc it's bouldy unironically
like back then
gave coins so that was something
stone rune
you can be casually sheeting and its still casual
maiden narwhal
is 100 coins more important than extra dice
stone rune
its not like im 100% all the time tryhard mode
latent moon
you can be casually sheeting and its still casual
that's not a level of casual most players are at you need to recognize that
maiden narwhal
she does
latent moon
is 100 coins more important than extra dice
i didn't take bouldy bc it benefited the run better, i just liked bouldy so i went there lmao
if you value rolls more then take the key room
it's entirely up to you
maiden narwhal
i guess i'm looking for an objective roi
but not that important i guess
i think i'd always take key over gold
stone rune
then bouldy
maiden narwhal
because i avoid shop anyway
latent moon
bouldy rooms are effectively gold rooms
that's what we're talking about
so yes this sitaution is keys vs gold
maiden narwhal
yeah and i path key over gold when i have that option too
stone rune
but its a skip
latent moon
not everyone cares it's a skip
maiden narwhal
that's wrong?
latent moon
yeah and i path key over gold when i have that option too
that option doesnt happen
maiden narwhal
good
latent moon
blue vs gold laurel isn't a thing on door options
maiden narwhal
because im trying hard and i can't think of a single time that happened
but i would if i could
so.
is that wrong oer
or
maiden narwhal
ok
i go coinpurse and never go shop
so i always have gold
more or less
hard not to
stone rune
purse widecharon3
maiden narwhal
i do not know what that means lol
does bouldy blessing ever make a difference to your speedruns?
maiden narwhal
i was thinking exactly that but how often would you hit it lol
latent moon
but like it's not large enough to make that much of a difference in the grand scheme of things
maiden narwhal
would it make more sense to skip bouldy completely to shave off those seconds?
latent moon
speedruns are generaly measured igt
latent moon
for rta runs you dont gift bouldy you just take the reward for sisyphus and leave
but for igt you just do it bc why not
there's no reason not to really
maiden narwhal
i was thinking rta but apparently vet doesn't think that's a thing
i mean it would be much faster to just take gold from sis and bounce
stone rune
i was confused because nobody refers to gifting bouldy as just bouldy
bouldy is the room
maiden narwhal
bouldy is two extra actions? four if you want to see what he gave you, and you consider mouseover an action, which you should
maiden narwhal
i was confused because nobody refers to gifting bouldy as just bouldy
oh ok
but if you're referring to sis as sis then wouldn't bouldy be gifting bouldy by elimination
anyway
stone rune
well nobody calls it sisyphus
stone rune
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stone rune
so it's bouldy and gifting bouldy?
yes
maiden narwhal
yes
that's ironic. like.. unnecessarily long, for speedrunners
sis and bouldy is faster
but whatever works
stone rune
there is no good shortening of sisyphus
and there is no real reason to ever actually talk about gifting bouldy
other than to post when u get +10% movespeedf
maiden narwhal
if me works for merciful ending then sis absolutely works for sisyphus
stone rune
no because it sounds weird
maiden narwhal
other than to post when u get +10% movespeedf
so, never
stone rune
people always capitalize ME
maiden narwhal
oh
i never capitalise anything
which is why i type m.e
anyway now me have to shower
formal citrus
blue vs gold laurel isn't a thing on door options
Can it happen with Erebus
latent moon
that's ironic. like.. unnecessarily long, for speedrunners
tbf it's like
"i had bouldy vs chaos" since more people like bouldy than sisyphus lmao
and also no one really talks about gifting bouldy most of the time unless they wonder if they should or shouldn't
latent moon
Can it happen with Erebus
i think that's a whole separate thing but honestly no clue
i'd assume it'd always appear in gold laurel rooms but i know nothing about erebus
formal citrus
10% cast ain't bad
maiden narwhal
tbf it's like
"i had bouldy vs chaos" since more people like bouldy than sisyph...
yeah what vet said
it'll only come up in context like this, which is almost never
latent moon
lmao yeah
stone rune
erebus forces all exits to be gold laurel
latent moon
festive
maiden narwhal
that's not a level of casual most players are at you need to recognize that
if i were at the top of top game i'd talk exactly like this, about this conversation in this context
any pro would, in any game
brisk trail
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1212284155707269120/i...
.............
maiden narwhal
this is how we talk when we play 9ball
the casual/amateur/barroom player does not exist
stone rune
babe ur famous
latent moon
if i were at the top of top game i'd talk exactly like this, about this conversa...
i mean in the context of the whole bouldy vs sis thing, idrk the right word for it but it's just something that a lot of people have already used in the past so most people just dont say "sis" they just say "bouldy"
maybe bc bouldy is more fun to say, maybe bc people like bouldy more than sis idk
but it's just the way it developed
maiden narwhal
i mean in the context of the whole bouldy vs sis thing, idrk the right word for ...
no no not about that
about the casual vs pro thing
the bouldy sis semantics is irrelevant rubbish
latent moon
oh lmao
well like casual for her yeah but most people haven't reached that level of casual
maiden narwhal
yeah i'm addressing the bit where you say "you need to recognise"
it's like you know they exist but it's irrelevant. so you recognise but don't factor, sort of a thing
anyway now i have to go no more hades until tonight ):
latent moon
i mean i've played multiple games at higher levels and i still recognize the normal casual standpoint lmao
maiden narwhal
i mean i've played multiple games at higher levels and i still recognize the nor...
yeah ofc and so does vet it's just eh
when you talk about skill you're never including casuals
unless you're talking to casuals, in this sort of context
maiden narwhal
what, exactly
has happened multiple times idk what the it is
bananas gives you ambiguity
i want my nectar back
latent moon
jazz not being aware of a normal casual standpoint
latent moon
lmao
sage sphinx
Why is guan yu so fun and so brutal 
I have this seed that I'm trying to play and for the first 2 tried it gave me charged skewer as my starting hammer, a 115% Special Chaos boon, epic hunters strike and heart rend
It was so good that I got my first sub 3 tartarus
But I'm still really bad at em3 fo2 and I kept dying to them, and now I can't get that chaos boon again and it's genuinely more saddening than I think it should be
formal citrus
But I'm still really bad at em3 fo2 and I kept dying to them, and now I can't ge...
Em 3?
sage sphinx
Extreme measures 3, it's the pact option that makes the bosses harder
latent moon
guan yu hard
sage sphinx
Asterius FO2 hurts so much
sage sphinx
guan yu hard
Facts
tepid light
False no, don't go down the jazz path
sage sphinx
To be fair, guan yu is technically really safe if you ignore the fact that your HP is sliced in half
latent moon
False no, don't go down the jazz path
i mean like charged skewer guan yu is just weird hestia/bow, which is known to be pretty safe
the problem is the fact that your hp is cut in half lmao
bosses can be a pain in the ass for guan yu, normal rooms are generally cake walk
tepid light
i mean like charged skewer guan yu is just weird hestia/bow, which is known to b...
for me, 'forgiving' is an important part of 'safe'
something that so vastly reduces your survivability and can potentially cause you so much extra pain is not what i'd consider 'safe'
latent moon
that's fair
stiff obsidian
safe
/seɪf/
adjective
1.
protected from or not exposed to danger or risk; not likely to be harmed or lost.
tepid light
safe
/seɪf/
adjective
1.
protected from or not exposed to danger or risk; not li...
the dictionary definition goes either way here
guan yu may help prevent you from being 'exposed' to danger, but it actively reduces your 'protection'
this was the subject of one of my first arguments with jazz
stone rune
guan yu is safe
u have many less opportunities to make mistakes
if u make mistakes i guess it could be more punishing but it wouldn’t go down like that for me #imo
safety is not ease of use
if so then arthur would be safe
even though it’s horrendously unsafe and you take way more hits with it compared to actually decent aspects
unreal mason
goodness me, nearly 400 messages unchecked since I checked this morning, you guys sure are chatty :/
tepid light
jazz can't you just accept the fact that people have different interpretations of the word 'safe' than you
this is exactly how that original argument went
stiff obsidian
the trick is to not check any of the messaages and say game bad with no context
unreal mason
game bad with no context
Also guan yu was my first (and only) hitless weapon so I'd say it is safe, although that might be just me and the rest of the weirdos who agree with me because how we play these weapons depends on our lifetimes of experience and personal preferences (and because False Side, Banana and Jazz play too much high heat).
tepid light
Also guan yu was my first (and only) hitless weapon so I'd say it is safe, altho...
And see that's fine, everyone has their own playstyles and their own standards for what they find comfortable
The important thing is that you acknowledge that
maiden narwhal
i mean... if you can clear high heat, then how you're doing it is unimportant
but if you can't clear high heat, then your playstyle is objectively worse
even ifyou're just having fun or whatever
unreal mason
but if you can't clear high heat, then your playstyle is objectively worse
I wouldn't necessarily say this is absolute, luck is a significant factor in high heat.
tepid light
but if you can't clear high heat, then your playstyle is objectively worse
but we're not talking about clearing high heat, we're literally just saying what each of us personally find 'safe' and easier to use
maiden narwhal
I wouldn't necessarily say this is absolute, luck is a significant factor in hig...
that levels out over a number of runs
unreal mason
that levels out over a number of runs
That might be true, but the higher you go the more luck will influence you (for instance I think I was capable of reaching my pb 100s of runs before I actually got it because luck wasn't on my side.) If I hadn't reached my pb before uni start I probably wouldn't have ever reached it.
maiden narwhal
but we're not talking about clearing high heat, we're literally just saying what...
it's more nuanced
especially if you're trying to rank aspects by tier
your "safety" can be a sliding bar depending on your skill
if one says guan yu safe, and the other says guan yu unsafe, you have to consider that they might find guan yu unsafe because they dont play as well
which is objectively fair
like cshot is unequivocally the best hammer for shield
but not for me, because i suck at it
but that doesn't mean cshot is bad
it means i am
unreal mason
I'm withdrawing from this argument, fun chat but I'm going to bed.
tepid light
but that doesn't mean cshot is bad
it means i am
that is not what i mean.
if i had a perfect 64 heat no-hit run on guan yu, i'd still consider it unsafe by my own definition, because for me 'safe' means 'forgiving' (as i mentioned earlier).
maiden narwhal
because of your playstyle?
or because of your pact?
or..
i completely agree that safe means forgiving
and that safe shouldn't be based on skill
because by that measure, everything is safe, if you're good enojugh
tepid light
i don't know how much clearer i can make this.
as I said to Bananas earlier: for me, 'forgiving' is an important part of 'safe.' something that so vastly reduces your survivability and can potentially cause you so much extra pain is not what i'd consider 'safe,'
maiden narwhal
but if both of you can clear 64 with guan yu
it's completely moot and doesn't matter, whether the weapon is safe or not
because both of you will adapt your playstyles to its limitations
tepid light
it's completely moot and doesn't matter, whether the weapon is safe or not
what? but the crux of this entire argument is whether or not something is 'safe.'
there's a big disconnect between what we're saying here.
maiden narwhal
not really
you can't pin down what safe is, because it'll depend on playstyle, which will differ
if you're saying "is it forgiving in a beginners' hands"?
then that's different also
tepid light
not really
you can't pin down what safe is, because it'll depend on playstyle, w...
YES. THAT'S MY ENTIRE POINT.
Everyone is allowed their own definition of 'safe' for their own preferences based on their own playstyle.
maiden narwhal
anyway this is time i should be spending playing hades
tepid light
gahhhhhh
maiden narwhal
YES. THAT'S MY ENTIRE POINT.
Everyone is allowed their own definition of 'safe'...
if she's arguing with you about this
she's just doing it to get a rise out of you
it's only when there are two differing levels of skill that you can have one definition of safe
ie, the person with lower skill will defer to the person with higher
tepid light
if she's arguing with you about this
she's just doing it to get a rise out of yo...
doubt it. jazz is just the type of person who doesn't consider other people's views.
maiden narwhal
then idk what to tell you. or her
maiden narwhal
it's only when there are two differing levels of skill that you can have one def...
this is really the crux
if you are the same skill level, you can have different definitions of safe, and it doesn't matter
if you are not the same skill level, one of you is right, and one if you should learn
tepid light
one could make the argument that playstyle influences skill, though
if a given weapon/approach just doesn't vibe with you at all, you are going to do less well with it
maiden narwhal
if you have limited skill, a more forgiving weapon will feel safer
if you have high level of skill, and able to use the weapon to its full potential, then that could be safer
maiden narwhal
one could make the argument that playstyle influences skill, though
if a given ...
agreed completely
or you'll learn to play with it
like i had to change my playstyle to clear 32
higher skill level influences playstyle
but playstyle will influence skill level initially
then you break that ceiling
or you don't, and switch weapons
or you complain about the weapon like a noob
tepid light
if you have limited skill, a more forgiving weapon will feel safer
if you have h...
i think there's also an important distinction to be made between 'safe' and 'safer'
like, if i just practiced with guan yu until i was very effective with it, sure, i would feel 'safer' with it than before
but i still would not call it strictly 'safe' by my own definition
maiden narwhal
i have a very leeroy jenkins hack and slash playstyle
so the bow is VERY unsafe for me
but someone with more skill and the same playstyle could say the bow is safe
maiden narwhal
i think there's also an important distinction to be made between 'safe' and 'saf...
why not?
because it's less forgiving?
so you have to focus more, or play harder?
stiff obsidian
game bad
tepid light
because it's less forgiving?
yes, because as i've said, 'safe' involves 'forgiving'
and no matter how good you are with guan yu, it will not change the weapon's intrinsic nature as a very unforgiving weapon
maiden narwhal
but forgiving becomes less important, with proficience
you don't need it to be forgiving, per se
tepid light
you don't *need* it to be forgiving, per se
doesn't matter whether i need it to be or not
the fact is that it is simply unforgiving
maiden narwhal
and no matter how good you are with guan yu, it will not change the weapon's int...
well i agree with you, that it's an unsafe weapon because of its unforgiving nature
but i see the point where if you're playing it to its potential, you unlock a level where the unforgiving nature does not matter
and it is therefore a safeR weapon than many others
tepid light
and it is therefore a safeR weapon than many others
and that's why i made the distinction between safe and safer
skill can make a weapon safer
but nothing can change the weapon's intrinsic nature as 'safe' or 'unsafe'
for a given definition of 'safe' as 'forgiving'
tepid light
no reason for anyone not to agree with that
you'd think that
maiden narwhal
YOU WOULD
maiden narwhal
idk where is the line?
isn't the vamp supposed to make up for the low hp?
so if you're not playing the vamp right, isn't that your fault?
maiden narwhal
ofc
because it's a high skill weapon
which is why idk why "safety" is a question to begin with
all casuals will say "guan yu sucks"
so.. what is actually being argued?
you need a certain skill level just to play the damn thing
tepid light
so.. what is actually being argued?
the 'argument', if one can even call it that, is just my grievance that A CERTAIN PERSON refuses to acknowledge the fact that different people can have different definitions of the word 'safe,' and insists that their own definition is the correct one
maiden narwhal
i think they acknowledge it and ignore it at the same time
but yeah i know people like that
they're annoying
tepid light
now you know why jazz and i don't get along at all
they just go dead silent whenever someone calls them out on those tendencies
then goes right back to doing it later
maiden narwhal
yeah i can see how you wouldn't
stiff obsidian
maiden narwhal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1212331487827853382/i...
that's what you get
shackle will boost any empty core right?
even if i have boons in other cores?
or do i have to be completely coreless for it to work?
stiff obsidian
even if i have boons in other cores?
this
maiden narwhal
nice
crush shot scales well with poms?
100 to 154 sounds p decent
seriously this bow is autopilot who the hell can't clear with hera aphro explosive
you have to try so hard to lose
only rama better
ooh maybe my next 32 will be rama
rama just so thicc
lol and i'm indian so it's fitting
raw herald
crush shot scales well with poms?
It does basically nothing without poms so yea
junior bough
There is something this game: hundreds of hours spent trying to nail this game, and yet you find out random stuff, like an interaction despite being on your last legs, or being killed by a Trial of the Gods.
junior bough
I think I died during Dionysus' trial and he was surprised. It sucks how I can't find it on YT.
I can find the bad calls, but not quotes if you die during a Trial.
Hmm..
stiff obsidian
yep
lavish sorrel
hii
Heya! You seem pretty new to the game, I am sure #h1-for-new-players can be of help. #h1-discussion gets a bit spoilery sometimes, so I'd recommend keeping out of this channel for now :]
As for the question, you'll get to the hydra with more health next time, I believe in you. You could try taking your time / distance, as each hydra head only has limited mobility.
And before I get called out on this by others, yes there are way stronger strategies and consistencies, but I'll leave them for you to discover 😌
autumn rose
ONLY MERCIFUL END 😡
timid mortar
i got there but i had 7hp
Death defiance and the one which increases your health might be your buddies there
Also make sure to get Skelly's gift so that you can get extra revival
jaunty cedar
Death defiance and the one which increases your health might be your buddies the...
tysm
timid mortar
tysm
Also work upon the first skill on mirror of night as it increases your damage when hitting enemies from back
If you find a boon, I'd suggest you get Athena's dash, Artemis' dash attack, and Ares' attack and his call as well. As these will give you extreme increment in damage
And I doubt it's advised for new players to use Chaos rooms
I'm not so sure. his boons are always worth it if you get in there
rose roost
And I doubt it's advised for new players to use Chaos rooms
nah it's good to always choose chaos
especially with extra dds
jaunty cedar
im new to the game so im kinda ass
timid mortar
im new to the game so im kinda ass
Oh, also you should unlock shield asap
As it gives you protection when holding
jaunty cedar
yes i unlocked it
timid mortar
It might take time. And for megaera, her attacks are well telegraphed. When she crouches, evade out of her way and the save when she starts spinning to use her whip
And also I'd suggest using the skill which gives you extra dash as well
As it increases the room for error
When Hydra screeches and gets a bit back, he'll use a launch attack.
timid mortar
yes i unlocked it
Nice. It's your best buddy for the time being. Also look for its Hammer upgrades
Prioritise them. They'll make your primary weapon better
timid mortar
If you find a boon, I'd suggest you get Athena's dash, Artemis' dash attack, and...
Also, if possible, Artemis' boon which gives you extra damage when used against armoured enemies is also great
If you find Dionysus, the one with purple wine bottle, I'd suggest three of his boons — one which restores your health to the threshold if your health is below that point, the one which fills your health upon visiting chamber and increases your damage, and his cast
Call like I said either Ares or Artemis. Rest aren't that great
stone rune
Call like I said either Ares or Artemis. Rest aren't that great
this is not true
ares call is the worst call in the game
artemis is not that good
best calls are zeus and dio
trippy shot is not that good either
timid mortar
trippy shot is not that good either
Idk the names. What does it do? 😭
stone rune
thats dio cast
anyways i dont think you can give a build description without a specific weapon in mind
true oak
strong drink and after party are actually pretty good though
timid mortar
artemis is not that good
For a newbie I find both great. One which gives a continuous damage while making you impervious and the other one gives a huge damage numbers with chances of crit attack
timid mortar
And don't require much strategising as compared to the few others 🙂
stone rune
athena call will give you better dps
true oak
problem with ares is that is suddenly stops invulnerability
timid mortar
problem with ares is that is suddenly stops invulnerability
Yeah. That's true lmao
stiff obsidian
bad game
stone rune
but the bigger issue is that of damage
true oak
call builds up with faster hits btw so its not really relevant with lots of slow aspects
unless you get hit loads lmao
stiff obsidian
couldnt be me
maiden narwhal
is parting shot free gold, or do you keep it sometimes?
maiden narwhal
because you can actually use your weapon
the only call that alters your form that's actually good is poseidon
mint coral
is parting shot free gold, or do you keep it sometimes?
Sell
It can be funny with phalanx shot on hera
As it backstabs from the front
maiden narwhal
lol i was trying to tag you to ask
but i can never remember your screenname
wish it would populate for just "noob"
nothing is better than explosive shot
rose roost
try explosive on rama
latent moon
explosive zag bow is actually good tho lmao
formal citrus
5.5 ares boons for ME is really nice.
latent moon
granted twin or triple
jagged hamlet
WHOA we got snazzy new animated emotes!
mint coral
Who has nitro to send them
quasi dust
Not me
void vigil
i dont see them?
quasi dust
Me neither
void vigil
were we bamboozled
quasi dust
Like even without nitro you can see them but not send them yk
jagged hamlet
void vigil
theyve been here for a long while
quasi dust
Mb lmao
void vigil
all of them except for 
are steam stickers
stone rune
what do steam stickers do
void vigil
you can display them on your profile or send them in steam chats
whole sonnet
so out of all the gods who do u hate the most in terms of personality
they are all so selfish and unlikable
(except Artemis)
jagged hamlet
I find Aphrodite and Demeter the most frightening out of the pantheon!
quasi dust
(except Artemis)
(Arty my beloved
)
quasi dust
so out of all the gods who do u hate the most in terms of personality
Eh I mean I don't hate any of them?
jagged hamlet
Artemis with the "girl next door" energy!
quasi dust
Idk
quasi dust
I feel like I've seen worse😭
whole sonnet
I mean hate is a strong word
quasi dust
Yea
quasi dust
Dislike is more appropriate ig
quasi dust
I would say id never hang out with them
Yea fair
whole sonnet
Athena is fine
quasi dust
She's ok
whole sonnet
she seems the most reasonable
quasi dust
Zeus is kinda eeeeehhhh
jagged hamlet
Athena is big nerd
quasi dust
Idk I never really cared for him
quasi dust
Athena is big nerd
Relatable
whole sonnet
poseidon is the dumbest of them all
quasi dust
poseidon is the dumbest of them all
But in a funny way imo
whole sonnet
yeah
quasi dust
He's a goof
void vigil
i dislike zeus but as characters in the game i think most of them are likeable
quasi dust
Hermes besto boy 💖💖
whole sonnet
Demeter is cool
whole sonnet
scary asf
whole sonnet
artemis just chilling
covert hare
i think the God i used the less in the game is demeter
i only like her special and dash
quasi dust
artemis just chilling
I want to hang out with her she's so cool
I feel like we'd get along
covert hare
I feel like we'd get along
i like that she doesnt like to be praised
quasi dust
Interesting character trait but makes sense when you think about it
covert hare
i like that she doesnt like to be praised
yet she likes us giving her gifts
because zag is like the only one that gives it as a genuine appreciation
quasi dust
Wholesome
stiff obsidian
game
steep condor
Demeter is cool
ba dum tss
jagged hamlet
Fists of fury
stiff obsidian
🤨 🤨 🤨 🤨
maiden narwhal
what do steam stickers do
their best
maiden narwhal
Artemis with the "girl next door" energy!
nah artemis got mad pick me energy
jagged hamlet
What is "pick me energy"?
maiden narwhal
What is "pick me energy"?
google pick me girl
jagged hamlet
Normally I'm all about using search engines, but I dun wanna in this case
steep condor
google pick me girl
aw cmon i was waiting for you to explain this in a way apropriate to the server that also doesn't make everyone hate you
/j
stone rune
jesus
steep condor
imo she's more "not like other girls" energy than pick me bc she really doesn't seem to care a lot about men
stone rune
hera is such a piece of garbage
maiden narwhal
aw cmon i was waiting for you to explain this in a way apropriate to the server ...
i think if you frame it problem first.. like... women putting down women... that might help?
but yeah. "google it" way better 🤌
i'm on this "did you get picked, sis?" facebook group and the screenshots posted are... wow
maiden narwhal
imo she's more "not like other girls" energy than pick me bc she really doesn't ...
that's exactly what pick me is tho
look at me i don't wear makeup i don't cause drama i get my hands dirty i'm just one of the boys iM nOt lIkE tHoSe oThEr gIrlS pick meeeeeeeeee
"i'm not like the other girls" is the entire problem
also, the server is allowed to hate me.
their loss.
ho hoho asterius without em is a little baby cow
mint coral
hi guys I think there is a bug in my game
What's the bug? Tho asking in #h1-tech-support could be more helpful
Also checking #h1-tech-fixes just in case it's a general problem
void vigil
nah artemis got mad pick me energy
this should be obvious, but misogynistic comments are not allowed here even about characters in the games
its not about people hating you or not, its about not making people uncomfortable
maiden narwhal
lol i sold parting shot twice this run
maiden narwhal
this should be obvious, but misogynistic comments are not allowed here even abou...
nothing misogynistic about the comment
did you google it?
because then you'd know that it's the opposite
anyway
maiden narwhal
its not about people hating you or not, its about not making people uncomfortabl...
and yeah, i would not want to make anybody uncomfortable
but i'm not the one who sexualised a videogame character in the first place
i was replying to someone who did
which, frankly, made me uncomfortable
but whatever
discomfort isn't hard to deal with
void vigil
its not a competition of who makes everyone the most uncomfortable - both remarks are unpleasant at best and offensive at worst.
i just had time to search up both of these terms and both of them are bad. i dont know how to explain that you shouldn't be misogynistic in any capacity in this server - blaming such things on women instead of accepting theyre just... bad terms is not a solution
maiden narwhal
i just had time to search up both of these terms and both of them are bad. i don...
misogyny is absolutely the topic
but the term isn't misogynistic
the whole point is to point out that the misogyny is coming from inside the house
because it's women putting down women to appeal to men
also, nobody said anything about a competition.
you were talking about discomfort, so i addressed it.
if you didn't call out the "girl next door" comment for making people uncomfortable, i don't see why you feel the need to call out mine
it might be because you don't understand the terms being used
but that isn't my problem
void vigil
i was not at home and briefly checked my phone
i was not familiar with either term, no, but looking them up both are unpleasant
jagged hamlet
Is "girl next door" misogynistic? I thought it just meant the friendly neighbor lass
unreal mason
can we move on, if you want to discuss the semantics of phrases feel free to do so in a private forum somewhere else. This is a Hades discussion forum.
void vigil
i dont get why you insist on making this a problem with me but lets move on since this is not for this channel
jagged hamlet
Alma is having quite a day oh my word
dry mauve
i like aphrodite and artemis because they have the cool damage numbers and are also cute
stone rune
yeah instead we should talk about how hera is a massive piece of garbage and im honestly astonished it has ever even sub6d let alone sub5
dry mauve
when i see the +100% heartbreak strike
i pog
it is only slightly less cool than aphrodite herself
quasi dust
Is "girl next door" misogynistic? I thought it just meant the friendly neighbor ...
Yeah me too
void vigil
poshboy you got the spirit but pls refrain from swearing/bypassing the swear filter 😶
but yeah please move on, or take it to another channel - preferrably lets stop talking about it thank you
unreal mason
sure thing, I wouldn't want my swearing to get in the way of people enjoying this video game.
stone rune
people enjoy hades?
jagged hamlet
No. Just you, jazz
quasi dust
Probably
unreal mason
I don't, it just that there is no escape from Hades.
torn phoenix
boo
steep condor
i enjoy it for like 0.5 seconds when reaching a goal i set myself
everything else is suffering but that's ok
quasi dust
i love gilga so i literally just can't speedrun
latent moon
i mean you can
it's just not a good speedrun aspect lmao
but if you wanted to you can get a sub10 or whatever with it
it's just gonna be harder compared to other aspects
latent moon
fair enough
quasi dust
though it's a fun challenge, getting sub10 with gilga
quasi dust
do it dash only lmao
lmao soup gilga time
maiden narwhal
so.. when do you stop being casual and start being srs bsns? what heat?
latent moon
srs bsns?
maiden narwhal
or is anything that isn't speedrunning "casual"?
latent moon
oh that makes sense lmao
fervent radish
so.. when do you stop being casual and start being srs bsns? what heat?
50
maiden narwhal
and learn a meme before 2020 god
fervent radish
Hey chill out lol
maiden narwhal
i mean
latent moon
and learn a meme before 2020 god
bruh lmao i thought it was an acronym
maiden narwhal
i feel like methualeh
stone rune
and learn a meme before 2020 god
r u like 70
stone rune
i dont think anyone on facebook isnt a senior citizen
quasi dust
geez ok what hapenned
latent moon
But like if you start to speedrun it doesn't become a casual run anymore really I guess
latent moon
And high heat generally starts at around 32 so like if you decide to push past that then I guess
latent moon
u can speedrun casually
That's also true lmao
steep condor
you can also play high heat casually
stone rune
mysterra getting another 64
maiden narwhal
u can speedrun casually
isn't that just playing the game
jagged hamlet
Nay! For one can run slow and loot every cache, etc.
maiden narwhal
And high heat generally starts at around 32 so like if you decide to push past t...
look at all these clowns saying 50 tho
steep condor
isn't that just playing the game
nah, i never try to go as tast as i can, i only try to not die by td
maiden narwhal
fight about it!
stone rune
i was still playing the game casually at my first 50 heat
maiden narwhal
all you high heaters
latent moon
Casual vs serious depends on how you approach the game not how others do
fervent radish
Idk the game got hard for me at 50
stone rune
its just dependent ont he player
fervent radish
That’s just what I would consider high
stone rune
50 with a good aspect modded is pretty easy
maiden narwhal
Casual vs serious depends on how you approach the game not how others do
but it's also a lable the community puts on you yeah
fervent radish
0 heat without god mode might be that difficult for others
maiden narwhal
50 with a good aspect modded is pretty easy
what difference does the mod make?
latent moon
I mean I wouldn't call jazz a casual player lmao that much is obvious
maiden narwhal
modded for what?
stone rune
guaranteed hammer and 2 sack and first boon is the only really important stuff for heat
maiden narwhal
ah you can change the doors
fervent radish
No
stone rune
i mean im often playing casually
maiden narwhal
no i mean how does the mod guarantee you anything
steep condor
Idk the game got hard for me at 50
you were the person suggesting ap for hestia. what's a good pact for 45+? like... you have to chose the not fun ones at that point
stone rune
u can set what ur hammer will be
stone rune
no
maiden narwhal
cool
latent moon
no i mean how does the mod guarantee you anything
The first hammer only offers 1 option lol
maiden narwhal
haha so ap2
fervent radish
you were the person suggesting ap for hestia. what's a good pact for 45+? like.....
I jumped from 40 to 50 so idk
latent moon
you were the person suggesting ap for hestia. what's a good pact for 45+? like.....
What's your 40
stone rune
id imagine most player would clear 50 heat modded pretty easily with hestia
latent moon
triple shot explosive rama but special only
fervent radish
id imagine most player would clear 50 heat modded pretty easily with hestia
Would be interesting to see the distribution of highest heat played for all players
Because I think you overestimate the skill of most players
maiden narwhal
id imagine most player would clear 50 heat modded pretty easily with hestia
if they've cleared 49 unmodded then yeah. probably.
void vigil
@maiden narwhal please stop being rude to people younger than you for no reason and being rude in general. i've been seeing it in channels multiple times and its not about making anyone "uncomfortable" or not its about not being hostile to most of the active users in this server right now
dry mauve
ive never really gotten the hang of hestia
maiden narwhal
<@769226157890469890> please stop being rude to people younger than you for no r...
how am i suppose to know who's younger than me?
and i don't think i'm being rude.
sorry if you think i am but nah
dry mauve
i can play very safe with it and be fine but i never sat down to learn the correct buttons to press to go fast
like my hestia clears are all super slow
maiden narwhal
and i'm not hostile to anyone?
latent moon
It's something like special every 2 reloads or something
maiden narwhal
who am i hostile to lol
dry mauve
and then I watch like haelian play hestia and even when he's blindfolded he's doing the combos like 3 times faster than me
latent moon
who am i hostile to lol
I think it might've been the "memes before 2020" thing lmao
void vigil
sure. anyway just be nice :)
dry mauve
i just never sat down to figure out what button presses I need to do in what order
latent moon
Which was pretty uncalled for tbf
jagged hamlet
Former English+writing tutor thinks your tone is kinda abrasive, avalanche, whether you mean it or not
quasi dust
I think it might've been the "memes before 2020" thing lmao
and, you know, calling people clowns
anyway
maiden narwhal
I think it might've been the "memes before 2020" thing lmao
ad doesn't even know what "girl next door" means and it's the most common phrase in the world
i don't think i'm going to rely on them for being able to read my tone in text, and decide on whether or not i'm being rude
their worldview doesn't seem broad enough to judge me
void vigil
yep yep lets move on from this im sorry to interrupt the conversation
latent moon
i just never sat down to figure out what button presses I need to do in what ord...
There's a hestia guide out there if you wanna check it out
maiden narwhal
so yeah
latent moon
It goes over the basic combo
maiden narwhal
yep yep lets move on from this im sorry to interrupt the conversation
rofl you interrupted the conversation with garbage to say "sorry for interrupting the conversation"?
good job\
stone rune
ad doesn't even know what "girl next door" means and it's the most common phrase...
dawg
be real
dry mauve
if i eventually go back to the weapon ill need to try and develop some muscle memory for it
for now im fine just being a basic eris gamer
quasi dust
ad doesn't even know what "girl next door" means and it's the most common phrase...
look man i didnt know what it was, english is not my first language and i didnt know the context of this phrase
and ad didnt know either and thats fine
not everyone knows everything
latent moon
for now im fine just being a basic eris gamer
Based
jagged hamlet
Imagine not knowing literally everything smh
latent moon
Rocket into clocket kinda based imo
true oak
i mean if you want to use clockets why not just use eris lmao
true oak
i always associate clockets with eris
true oak
yeah i don't like eris that much tbh
latent moon
i always associate clockets with eris
I mean clockets are just good on every rail lol 400 base damage point blank kinda good
jagged hamlet
I like Hestia's rhythm
stone rune
clockets r best on luci
quasi dust
i'm confused, clockets?
jagged hamlet
Cluster Bomb + Rocket Bomb
latent moon
Yeah 2 hammers
quasi dust
ah ok thanks for clarifying
latent moon
Luci clockets is just triple bomb
Clockets but 1 hammer
Except all the damage is from triple bomb through the whole run unlike the other rails lmao
steep condor
What's your 40
is there a good way to show that w/o typing everything out?
my highest was basically everything up but hs and ri. hl2, dc and ap1. i think
latent moon
Image embed
If you have the clear screenshot
If you sent it to #h1-victory-boasting message link works too
steep condor
yeah, 45 seems doable from where i am
tried a couple heat 50 runs though and those were... not good lol
latent moon
50 hard lmao
true oak
5 heat is a lot
latent moon
You have to take ri or em4 at that point I'm pretty sure
true oak
when so high
true oak
You have to take ri or em4 at that point I'm pretty sure
i did not
i think i was talking about it earlier
latent moon
For 50 hestia?
fervent radish
AP2
steep condor
i had ap2 and game gave me epic tdash and heartbreak strike. i felt bad for failing anyway
fervent radish
Well
latent moon
Oh i forgot about ap2
fervent radish
Yeah
true oak
sorry it was not hestia
fervent radish
tried a couple heat 50 runs though and those were... not good lol
If you’re having problems with dying, try zeus
Also eris is up there for clear potential at 50
I got an eris run to em4 50 and basically death% bc idk how to dodge on rail
latent moon
I feel like eris is only "easy" for 50 bc of delta chamber
latent moon
If you can't guarantee that then it's not that easy probably
latent moon
Yeah lmao
stiff obsidian
game bad
stiff obsidian
aw
fervent radish
call that one a skill issue
quasi dust
wait what
fervent radish
anyways, game good
stiff obsidian
game bad
quasi dust
huh
stiff obsidian
‼️
quasi dust
game mid
stiff obsidian
what game
quasi dust
ok jk i love this game with a passion
quasi dust
LMAOO
fervent radish
There's only the rail and every daedalus hammer is a microtransaction or subscription based service you can equip onto exagryph
triple clockets
quasi dust
not the microtransactions
stiff obsidian
a month ago if i hadnt played in a week you could presume me dead
rustic vale
Yeah ig clockets chance is p low
idk man just rng manip anvil 50% of the time
fervent radish
takes too long
dry mauve
please pay $0.99 to reload
quasi dust
lavish sorrel
Yeah ig clockets chance is p low
Hypermodded players having a real good day:
true oak
Why not both at the same time?👀
lack of skill
quasi dust
Damn
true oak
essay is much less fun though :(
quasi dust
I hate Spanish homework and here I am with half of it done
quasi dust
I hate Spanish homework and here I am with half of it done
(This was hours ago I'm literally abt to sleep rn)
true oak
I hate Spanish homework and here I am with half of it done
good job
quasi dust
languages give me terrors
English is unnecessarily complicated
Also this is the Hades channel
I just realized
Uhhh
Hades
true oak
do we have an off topic channel?
oh yeah we actually do i've never used it
never mind time to be productive
true oak
💪
quasi dust
🫡
proper tusk
reddit is a bad website
why is someone trying to convince me that routine inspection is better for 32 heat than tight deadline
void vigil
I did RI1 iirc
proper tusk
it seems so bad for 2 heat
mint coral
why is someone trying to convince me that routine inspection is better for 32 he...
they aren't using dark foresight/more used to just throw random stuff for their build
so losing those skills isn't that bad for them
proper tusk
compared to td3 which is just like. pause when you decide on doors and take shops when you can
mint coral
and TD is pretty much a mental barrier
or them using all the pacts that consume time
(which funny enough it is kinda common for people to do like td2 and still get td3 times anyways)
latent moon
why is someone trying to convince me that routine inspection is better for 32 he...
Reddit moment
You just get used to it
fervent radish
why is someone trying to convince me that routine inspection is better for 32 he...
Mirrorless 32 time
mint coral
https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1b29qq6/cast_didnt_come_back/?utm...
the casts actually just vanished
fervent radish
Very real
We add a new perk to Demeter where casting loads your casts into your explosive upper
stiff obsidian
hade
latent moon
you should do it again
dusty ice
Shout out to Charon for liking dubstep
covert hare
is there any good 32 heat run for noobs that doesnt require tight deadline?
rustic vale
also ideally you learn td so that you aren't a "noob" any more
rustic vale
Shout out to Charon for liking dubstep
I wish dubstep were real
it's so cool in Hades, if only it was a thing in real life
whole sonnet
Tbh the game isn't that difficult for now, I'm slowly progressing through the heat meter
Doing heat 2 runs with every weapon
Very rarely I lose, mostly because I get unlucky with poor builds and I'm more focused on completing fates
covert hare
Could you manage td2
i dont like td at all 
everytime there is a countdown in a game i give up
rustic vale
everytime there is a countdown in a game i give up
Start with td1 at a lower heat and work your way up
As long as your runs are consistently lower than 36 / 28 / 20 minutes you’ll be absolutely fine
Even if you go over you only lose 5hp/ second
So it’s not a hard deadline
Looking at your most recent victory screen, your fastest ones are just fine for td3 so I wouldn’t worry about td
latent moon
if you can make td3 time but aren't comfortable with td3, you can take td2 and put the 3 heat in like js/cf/dc
covert hare
if you can make td3 time but aren't comfortable with td3, you can take td2 and p...
you guys think i can beat it right now?
like if i use td2 and the other usual stuff
latent moon
i mean if your runs are consistently under 20 mins then yeah
you'll make the time
if you die that's prob not bc of td lmao
unless it's bc you took a pact that made you die bc you didnt take td3
rustic vale
you guys think i can beat it right now?
I mean as long as you keep working at it you'll be fine since your best runs are fast enough rn
definitely fast enough for td2 consistently I think
maybe not td3 yet but you kind of need to get working on it before we'll know
covert hare
i mean if your runs are consistently under 20 mins then yeah
now there is a problem
idk what other things to put lol
the bar is curretnyl at 20
latent moon
do you do fo2
covert hare
do you do fo2
no but i could
latent moon
so you're not that adjusted to it
covert hare
i can literally adapt to everything except LC and td
latent moon
fo2 is a pretty large adaption
enemies attacking faster will mess up your internal timings
it's brutal if you're not used to it
and good chance you'll die in tart
if you already know it and are used to it then it's fine but if your'e not then you dont have to take it
covert hare
enemies attacking faster will mess up your internal timings
i havent played in a while anyways
thats why it is a good time to adapt
latent moon
if you wanna adapt then it'd be better to do low heat runs to practice fo2 so you get a whole run's experience to it
and at that point you can try out td3
if you jump into fo2 at 32 heat you just wont have a lot of practice in the later biomes
if you want to do 32 heat now then dont take fo2
covert hare
if you want to do 32 heat now then dont take fo2
ok what do i do then
my plan is just do one of those big jumps people do
latent moon
what sapect are you doing
covert hare
im gonna jump from 17 my current max to 32
covert hare
what sapect are you doing
the weapons i have most heat on are sword (arthur) and rail ( eris )
latent moon
use eris
covert hare
ok
latent moon
covert hare
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/913954047151714344/1212574075067830292/...
ah man isnt there any alternative for LC?
im not that good at hitless
rustic vale
im not that good at hitless
you don't need to be hitless
you just need to be hit less
takes practice but so does everything else
covert hare
ah well i guess i should try
i mean i already completed the game so i shouldnt care about my win treak
its time to finally die
lets see how long can i go
one final question
is it ok if i use than summon?
im not a fan of meg
even if she is the best
rose roost
sure if your timing is right
covert hare
sure if your timing is right
i just normally use them when the boss are guaranteed to die
rose roost
if if you're fighting tis u can activate summon right after 2nd phase ends and it'll guarantee hit this in third phase
covert hare
like when they already used all of them " inmune " moments
covert hare
if if you're fighting tis u can activate summon right after 2nd phase ends and i...
yeah exactly thats when i use it
alright here we go
rose roost
for meg and alecto than is pretty bad since they're quick
grim junco
Where do I ask for help? I can't find a help channel
rustic vale
Where do I ask for help? I can't find a help channel
Like
what kind of help?
Tech support? Story stuff? Gameplay?
grim junco
Help with Hades
covert hare
Help with Hades
grim junco
Ok ty
covert hare
@latent moon all of this for a statue that i already knew what it was
well atleast i have it now
latent moon
lmao it was fun!
covert hare
lmao it was fun!
yeah its a shame the game is now totally over
the only thing left are buying every furniture
formal citrus
They did a good job on the winters harvest animation
proper tusk
it’s so cool
adding prophecies for getting every duo and legendary was a great idea bc otherwise i would never have gotten it
formal citrus
Yee, prophecies is definitely determining what little variety I have on this second run
Accidentally forgot to unequip coin purse for styx, whoops
brisk trail
guys why does the bone hydra kinda look positively smashing
upper wolf
well RIP
brisk trail
i died
upper wolf
well, duh :p
stone rune
new routed wr
stiff obsidian
haede
nocturne kelp
s
whole sonnet
thorn of thanatos achievement is pissing me off
I was at 28%
Just needed one more room
last veldt
Good going though.
last veldt
Just needed one more room
How's the main story progression going? Or are you thoroughly done with that now 🤔
zealous sparrow
What will happen if we combine piercing fire and ricochet fire?
rose roost
your ricochet bullets still pierce
whole sonnet
I finished the story
end credits rolled
now im playing to unlock stuff
achievements, fate contracts etc
zealous sparrow
Damn, my 16 heat Hestia run crashed after I beat Redacted and I'm back at square one. It was such an overpowered run after I had to go through 4 styx rooms and have enough gold to buy two bloods lol
upper wolf
I recommend sticking to #h1-for-new-players for now, the other channels have no policy on spoilers so you're bound to find out later things
mint coral
once again 28% omg
What weapon are you trying with
void vigil
Damn, my 16 heat Hestia run crashed after I beat Redacted and I'm back at square...
you can probably restore the run, check #h1-tech-fixes message
void vigil
im cursed
that one took me a few tries as well but its fun
the sigh of relief when you finally get it. lol
quasi dust
I know I've said it a million times but I'm listening to the painful way rn and omg once again I love the music of this game
10000/10
torn phoenix
sometimes it feels like the music came with a free game
whole sonnet
i cant believe it
3rd time in a row I get to 28%
insane
ive tried fists, bow and rail all to 28% very unlucky
fervent radish
ive tried fists, bow and rail all to 28% very unlucky
Hermes?
Try eris zeus start into tidal with fo2, em2
Clockets
Just speedrunning lol
stiff obsidian
butterfly
stiff obsidian
Idk why you’d do butterfly with fists
based
fervent radish
Do shield or hestia
autumn rose
all my homies hate hestia
stiff obsidian
i hate all your homies
whole sonnet
I chose the wrong people to give nectar to lmao
bonded with them all and I got nothing XD
fervent radish
It’s ok just play the game a lot
dry mauve
that slot is always either hermes or a hammer swap
mint coral
why is there always a Hermes boon in Styx worth 500 obol
Along what silly said, it has upgraded rarity
And also the only way to have 3 hermes boons
autumn rose
yarns cost an extra 70..
higher rarity boons in styx are an extra 300!??
CHARON IS SCAMMING US
wait hes also in charge of the well prices nvm
steep condor
he's just providing you w an opportunity to spend all your leftover obols that you won't be able to take home either way
brisk trail
Along what silly said, it has upgraded rarity
ohhh
sage sphinx
higher rarity boons in styx are an extra 300!??
It is a lot but it's also a really good way to get a duo you're missing if you don't have it already? /shrug
mint coral
It *is* a lot but it's also a really good way to get a duo you're missing if you...
nah
stiff obsidian
troll emoji
mint coral
expensive boons use the miniboss logic for rarity increase
so it actually decreases for duos
sage sphinx
Wait you're kidding
mint coral
nope
sage sphinx
Oh my gosh 💀
mint coral
12% normal boons vs minibosses being 10%
also tart is the only miniboss that guarantees rare boon at minimum
the other biomes can still offer commons
sage sphinx
I noticed that... But I thought that duos would be increased odds at miniboss rooms??? That's so weird
upper wolf
getting the opportunity for a third hermes boon is great though
Hermes the goat
best cousin
sage sphinx
getting the opportunity for a third hermes boon is great though
Oh absolutely
upper wolf
I wonder how a run would go if all your olympians were replaced by Hermes
sage sphinx
Epic greater haste + Hyper dash + epic RD would be nuts
- bad news too I guess
Wait hold up, clockets is actually bugged to do 100% damage instead of 70%? Dang
mint coral
funny 400 base dmg
sage sphinx
What the hell
I just thought it was nuts because the rockets base damage is better than the original hammer and rockets are faster
Not that it was genuinely bugged LOL
latent moon
Even if it wasn't bugged it'd still be the best hammer combo anyways
whole sonnet
I did it i got the damn achievement
covert hare
I did it i got the damn achievement
which one
sage sphinx
The achievement
jagged hamlet
That one! Over there!
drowsy linden
they got turret opera
vale falcon
i got a cerb plush, sweatshirt, and pin and thanatos and zagreus pins
should be here monday 
was gonna get the zag and than nendoroids and the posters but ill get those at the start of next year
brisk trail
I did it i got the damn achievement
.............
stiff obsidian
going to go through r/hadesthegame
latent moon
Good luck
