#h1-discussion

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winter plaza
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just don't let it be

undone tundra
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ohhh okay!

winter plaza
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simple fix tbh

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just dont

mint coral
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Chiron is the worst bow

winter plaza
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goated advice right here

undone tundra
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👍

tardy aurora
undone tundra
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chiron is low heat bow

winter plaza
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hera bow go brr

mint coral
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That's a classic right there

undone tundra
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it can be fun

mint coral
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But yeah it is the weakest

undone tundra
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hera bow is big bonk

tardy aurora
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frl? hera bow is the better one?

undone tundra
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rama we dont talk about

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and zag bow is best zag aspect. imo

winter plaza
mint coral
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Hera for speed, rama for heat

winter plaza
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or zeus

undone tundra
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rama lernie incident

tardy aurora
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so i nearly maxed chiron for nothing?

mint coral
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And zag is super solid yeah

winter plaza
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or anyone with high dmg tbh idk

mint coral
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Chiron can still get you eas wins

undone tundra
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zeus hera is weir

mint coral
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Is like one of the classic aspects for first players

undone tundra
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hera meta is mirage pos

mint coral
winter plaza
mint coral
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Where's the copypasta again

undone tundra
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or ar least used to lmao

winter plaza
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i got artemis legendary on a hera bow earlier

undone tundra
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👀

winter plaza
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i think it's artemis who gives +2 cast

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right?

undone tundra
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yes

winter plaza
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yea her

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and then i had a chaos boon to get another

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with pos cast

undone tundra
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lmao

winter plaza
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stupid numbers

undone tundra
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with chaos you want dmg over more casts

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especially when you have 5 of them already 😭

winter plaza
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ye but no one cares about that

mint coral
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Hera meta is crush shot

undone tundra
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singletarget>aoe?

winter plaza
undone tundra
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i feel pos would be better for clearing

mint coral
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It still has decent aoe

undone tundra
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ig

mint coral
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The higher dmg really helps

undone tundra
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ares hera Wheeze

mint coral
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And for cleaning up enemies you use snow burst

undone tundra
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o true

winter plaza
mint coral
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Also crush shot has wallbug too

undone tundra
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👁️

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wallbug?

wary iron
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You stand close to a corner

mint coral
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Shoot the casts at specific angles and they won't lodge

undone tundra
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weir

mint coral
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Makeshift beo

wary iron
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Shoot so that the shot gets stuck at the corner so it doesn’t lodge while still damaging as if it there was no wall I think

undone tundra
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in what world is that useful tho

mint coral
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Bosses

wary iron
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You don’t have to wait for the cast to drop

undone tundra
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👁️

silk stone
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why is playing hades so fun

mint coral
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No need to wait for the casts to dislodge

silk stone
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help

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im addicted

wary iron
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It’s a good game

mint coral
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You could say there is no escape

undone tundra
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yeah but sounds like getting the setup for it is kinda unlikely and takes time to learn/put to use

mint coral
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I mean yeah it takes practice

silk stone
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# THERE IS NO ESCAPE!!!

undone tundra
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important question

wary iron
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Ask

mint coral
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Sometimes you'll also get it by accident

undone tundra
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is it inner corners or outer corners

wary iron
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What?

undone tundra
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how do i explain that

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like is it on the corner of a pillar or a 'room

wary iron
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I mean the corner/wall has to be about in line with the enemy no?

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That’s like the only requirement I think

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Just needs to be smth that would block the shot

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Both should work

undone tundra
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ohhh

mint coral
undone tundra
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fair

mint coral
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Example by jazz

tardy aurora
wary iron
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True I forgot

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You don’t even need a corner

undone tundra
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looks silly

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okay downright terrible idea

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beam hera

wary iron
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Someone did

undone tundra
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wouldnt it just play like zagbow with beams.

mint coral
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Make it worse with cold embrace

wary iron
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It spawns the beam in the opposite direction

undone tundra
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so the beams face you?

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or the other wat

wary iron
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You mean the dem cast right?

undone tundra
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yes

tardy aurora
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forgot bout this lol

undone tundra
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non verbal sure is one way to put it

wary iron
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The crystal spawns in you but faces the opposite way of shooting

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Or so I have been told

undone tundra
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lmfao??

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i gotta try

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i mean artemis duo solves that

wary iron
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Yeah

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But it’ll probably still waste a lot of time trying to change direction

undone tundra
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yeaa

wary iron
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It just needs some reverse thinking

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Back to your enemies ig

mint coral
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Prob better to min charge all your shots lmao

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Or worsen your experience by taking flurry

wary iron
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Play it like zag bow but with beams at similar intervals with 5 casts to make a disco out of it

silk stone
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what is ambrosia useful for?

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i wanna trade it for titan blood

mint coral
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It replaces nectar once you gift enough to a character

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So early game trading some for blood is fine, just don't go overboard

silk stone
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say less

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buying titan blood

covert hare
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What’s the max level for weapon aspects

mint coral
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5

tardy aurora
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I REACHED THE CREDITS

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FINALLY

mint coral
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Yippeee

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Enjoy the song

tardy aurora
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now... to have to GET THE OLYMPIANS TO CLAIM THE AMBROSIA

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wait, how does hades get back when you dont kill him? he surely cant fit on charons boat

lone kestrel
lone kestrel
covert hare
covert hare
tardy aurora
dawn hound
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Maybe that's how the best boy got to the entrance to the underworld and back? shadeohboy

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Charon gives him rides. XD
I mean who could say no to him? 🥺

tardy aurora
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satyrs... he has issue with them for a reason

dawn hound
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True xD

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They make for good snackies tho xD

tardy aurora
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vermin do

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not satyrs

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they wouldnt keep satyrs in sacks

lone kestrel
dawn hound
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I thought they were the remains of Satyrs lol

silk stone
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guys

tardy aurora
lone kestrel
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It's not satyrs, there's a dialogue that reveals it's vermin inside the sack.

silk stone
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how much titanblood at temple of styx

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how much coins

tardy aurora
lone kestrel
dawn hound
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I haven't played hades for way too long now

silk stone
dawn hound
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Gotta get into it again, wanna stream a full playthrough before hades 2 comes out

silk stone
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WHAT THE HHELL

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I JUST BORROWED SOME MONEY FROM CHARON AND LIKE

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im in a boss fight now 😭 😭

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with charon

wary iron
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Happens

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Good luck

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He’s kinda

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Strong

silk stone
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WHAT

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oh no

lone kestrel
silk stone
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im dead

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BRUH

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WHY IS HE SO STRONG

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i just lost a good ahh run for just borrowing some money :(

lone kestrel
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Didn't you think it was suspicious to "borrow" money from a shopkeeper in a game?

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Clearly you haven't played enough games to know that the shopkeepers are always ridiculously strong.

silk stone
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i got humbled by a shopkeeper who just groans 😭

covert hare
silk stone
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errrrr

covert hare
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Or Pokémon mistery world

silk stone
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erm

lone kestrel
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Now that I think about it, he does conduct his business in the literal underground.

covert hare
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“ bruh are you stupid, what did you though it would happen “

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stupid hipnos

silk stone
covert hare
silk stone
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only asphodel and elysium

lone kestrel
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I beat him the first time I found about it. Then Hermes challegnge me to beat him twice in a row so I went out of my way to pick another fight with him.

lone kestrel
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Hermes is the one that works on the outside world and Olympus.

covert hare
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Running around at the speed of sound

lone kestrel
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Charon probably just waits at the start of the river Syx for the souls that Hermes brings.

silk stone
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🤑

covert hare
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He was a brat in that game

silk stone
lone kestrel
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I did die to Charon once, I was doing a heat run with Achilles aspect and my build was garbage, but once again my greed took the better of me.

silk stone
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whoops

silk stone
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hmm

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wat is heatrun

lone kestrel
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When you unlock the pact of punishment you'll understand.

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That's when the funnier part begins.

dawn hound
silk stone
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ION KNOW WHAT TO DO

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i just press prepare and press on nothing else

strong ridge
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1+ ur max ever heat for an aspect = rewards

silk stone
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man i gotta watch a vid on what heat is

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i need more aspects

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of stuff

strong ridge
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u get heat points from the modifiers in the room before u start the run where it brings up the scroll

silk stone
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yeah but like what points do i put in what

mint coral
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Your choice

silk stone
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is it harder to do a heat run vs a regular run

strong ridge
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theres a whole guide idr where

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tight deadline and lasting consequences are freeish

mint coral
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Yeah each modifier is a difficulty setting

silk stone
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ahh

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ic

mint coral
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Some of them have different levels with the higher giving even more heat and others are a single toggle

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For example lasting consequences (reduced healing) has 4 levels each worth 1 heat (-25% healing, -50% up to -100%)

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And middle management which changes how the minibosses work are a simple toggle on/off

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Adds 2 heat

lone kestrel
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Extreme measures is really fun since it changes how the bosses work. It also adds a considerable amount of heat. After you unlock EM4, I highly recommend giving it a shot at least once.

mint coral
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Em/mm are both fun

lone kestrel
bronze wraith
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Yeah, aspect doesn't matter in terms of heat, it depends on the weapon

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It's basically infinite though, because it's physically impossible to max heat every weapon

sour fog
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well rewards only go up to 20

bronze wraith
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They do? Hm

mint coral
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And 25 on hell mode to make up for the forced 5 heat

sour fog
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there's one on 32 but purely cosmetic statue

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if you count that

lone kestrel
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How does hell mode work exactly?

bronze wraith
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You start with the pact of punishment immediately

sour fog
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there's also extra modifier that's not available without hellmode

mint coral
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Start with pact and force hl1/lc1/cp1/js1 and a special pact for hell mode

bronze wraith
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It's an immediate problem instead of waiting to appear until your first escape

mint coral
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It disables the bubble that pops if you take too much dmg in a short window

lone kestrel
bronze wraith
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It's probably easier with God Mode, but I'm not a grinder so I never have it on

  • I use godmode all the time anywya
mint coral
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Easy to see if you stand in a brimstone laser attack

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Or an ely witch attack

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And oh yeah

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Hell mode disables god mode

bronze wraith
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Oh, I didn't even notice that

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Tbf I can hardly see without my glasses anyway

mint coral
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Hell mode is mostly used for high heat where you are already running the forced pacts and using the extra pact to avoid heat on a worse one

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So like use PL instead of cp2

bronze wraith
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Ah, alr ale

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I mostly play the game for story, but I may try it out

mint coral
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Doesn't help that without mods you can't swap to it

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So I just did 50 without hell mode lmao (well I had mods but wasn't able to access the lenu to swap to hell mode)

bronze wraith
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Ouch, I play on switch so no mods for me

mint coral
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Couldn't bother setting up an entire new file just for a slighty better pact

mint coral
bronze wraith
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Yeah, because then you have to grind for resources again

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Nah, too lazy

mint coral
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Fair lol, in my case I got it modded from the start

bronze wraith
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I got my switch in 2017, no one in my family is good with that stuff so it's just been unmodded for years

dawn hound
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Hades is the only game i never once wanted to mod haha

bronze wraith
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It's so good without them (I've never played with mods in any game)

mint coral
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Tbf there are like 4(?) Mods that are somewhat bit

dawn hound
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Idk skyrim for example i cannot play without mods

mint coral
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Speedrun modpack, olympus extra, fusion aspects and extra heat

dawn hound
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But with hades i have no desire whatsoever to play with mods

bronze wraith
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I just use the dlc and plan to buy anniversary edition

lone kestrel
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The only game I've ever modded I think it was Mordhau bc I wanted to play songs on the lute.

bronze wraith
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Mood

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I'd mod something to play an instrument

dawn hound
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Playing instruments is awesome :3

lone kestrel
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It's fun to see other peoples reaction when they hear you play an actual song in game.

bronze wraith
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I can't play any irl, but I do like to sing and dance

mint coral
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Steve animations

bronze wraith
lone kestrel
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Yep, lol

dawn hound
bronze wraith
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Oh hey, if any of y'all like MMOs or cozy games I recommend Palia! It's fun

dawn hound
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Also the lute in baldurs gate xD

bronze wraith
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And completely free

bronze wraith
dawn hound
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Awwww

bronze wraith
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Ive played DND before though! I hope I'll get to have another party some day

dawn hound
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Nice! :3

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I love DND🥰

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What was your character like

bronze wraith
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Yeah is there another channel we can chat in

mint coral
bronze wraith
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Alr cool

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Thanks!

silk stone
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guys

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what does aspect of hades on spear do

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and like theres a marking ontop of da enemy

bronze wraith
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I think that directs your attacks to a certain enemy

latent moon
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The mark means they'll take more damage from your attack and special

silk stone
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and what does aspect of hades do overall?

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i grinded so hard 4 dis 😭

latent moon
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Your spins are a lot bigger and inflict something I forgot the name of, I think punishing sweep

silk stone
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cool

latent moon
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And enemies inlficted with that will take more damage from specials and attacks

silk stone
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and uhh how do i unlock the secret aspect of the spear?

latent moon
silk stone
undone tundra
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about the beam hera discussion from before

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it just fires the beam on you, lol

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the same way you're facing

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and it kinda works well??

gray apex
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no

latent moon
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it being on hera doesn't really make beams better/worse lmao

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it's still just beam

gray apex
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yea

latent moon
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since hera doesnt add any damage like some other aspects that exist

gray apex
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when you compare it to other weapons that grant you cast dmg its just like any other aspect

undone tundra
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people said that hera makes beams shoot backwards.

gray apex
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you'll need the secret boon for that

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but it works on any weapon

latent moon
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that's probably only if you have cold embrace or something

undone tundra
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im going for cold embrace anyway

latent moon
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cursed

gray apex
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hell yea

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I mean its beams hera so its already cursed anyway might aswell

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If you want dmg hera try crush shot or phalanx shot

undone tundra
undone tundra
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for the sake of aoe

gray apex
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Can work

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Flood shot doesnt have great pom scaling and kinda drifts off if you miss

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Crush shot is also aoe just smaller

undone tundra
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yea i mean aoe as in

gray apex
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you can get multiple with it if you group them well, and it doesnt drift

undone tundra
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oneshotting small rooms

gray apex
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understandable

rustic vale
undone tundra
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i thought it works decently at first

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cuuz its right in the enemies face

rustic vale
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Beams and working well are mutually exclusive

undone tundra
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then i remembered tartarus enemies.

undone tundra
rustic vale
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They work, as in they function.

undone tundra
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idk, beams on achilles/pos work pretty well

rustic vale
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Achilles is achilles

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150% boost is 150% boost

undone tundra
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sppeaking of achilles, its time for more achilles beams.

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or not, didnt get beams first room

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ohh right i was supposed to do GY special

rustic vale
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Gy special 💪

undone tundra
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+158% first room

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gaming

latent moon
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But you mentioned Hera, where beams would function the same as like guan Yu lmao

tardy aurora
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is there any better way to get athenas favor? i keep talking to her at start but nothing happening, i die over and over but nothing

mint coral
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Have you checked her page in the hades wiki

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All the favors are detailed there

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Also dialogue system is somehwat rng

tardy aurora
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it says quote "Athena's favor requires seeing all three of Athena's remarks after successfully clearing a run, acknowledging Zagreus' strength."

mint coral
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So even if you have the requisite for the dialogue to show up the game might just not mention it

latent moon
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You could try fated authority to reroll rooms into Athena lmao

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Force dialogue

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Idk if she can give more than 1 dialogue per run tho

mint coral
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Is just filler dialogue after the first

tardy aurora
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ok but wht bout achiles and patroclus

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im holding onto 5 diamonds for them

mint coral
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If you are just starting to work on the epilogue though just move on

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You have plenty of gods to work while waiting for Athena to unlock

mint coral
tardy aurora
tardy aurora
mint coral
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Npc in ! Room in tart

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He's next to bouldy

tardy aurora
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i know who he is

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i mean whats his quest

mint coral
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Dialogue from him, nyx and maybe meg or Than until you can free him

tardy aurora
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do i give nectar?

mint coral
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Yeah

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Nyx also needs nectar iirc for all of orpheus/Achilles/sisiphus quests

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4-5? I think

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Just start throwing nectar to anyone you find really

tardy aurora
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would have prefered u mention nyx needing nectar but tht fine

covert hare
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athena main attack counts as a % boon?

upper wolf
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yes

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second best behind aphro, tied with demeter

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well, artemis can be better because of the crit%

covert hare
latent moon
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well those you just wouldn't use a % attack lmao

covert hare
latent moon
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she's still definitely a % modifier

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like her attack and special is a +% boost

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but they're just not used as much

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unless it's specific to a meta duo boon

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like ME on fists need athena special

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for zeus shield, if you pick up athena attack it's fine

upper wolf
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athena attack very good on fist if you don't go ME

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kinda on spear too

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but only kinda

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and also on zagshield

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really good

latent moon
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Athena attack on fists is no damage

upper wolf
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oh yeah

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I had in mind

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the cursed

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Talos + consecutive or whatever the hammer's name is

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then athena is damage, but mostly really really safe

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I also like athena attack on sword sometimes

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once again, ME notwithstanding

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given than ME invalidates 90% of melee aspect builds

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Also I personally like the greedy play "athena attack + deadly reversal 100% uptime"

latent moon
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Conc knuckle Talos is cursed

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I wouldn't really consider Athena a good attack for that anyways lmao

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Aphrodite would just be better

mint coral
upper wolf
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aphrodite would just mean you'd get hit every other second

upper wolf
mint coral
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That's like one 40 base dmg punch every combo though

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Kinda sad

upper wolf
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the combo is 15 + 20 + 25 + 30 + 35 = 125 with consecutive

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heavy knuckle combo is 3x40 = 120

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never timed how long each combo lasts though, so not sure for DPS

mint coral
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You see how I never play fists cus I thought heavy was 45 lmao

upper wolf
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you made me hesitate for a second here

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but it is indeed 40 damage

covert hare
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i cant decide which spear aspect is the best

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so far i like the secret one the most

tardy aurora
mint coral
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Yeah achilles is best in meta but maybe they just like something else more lol

covert hare
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they feel so clean

mint coral
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The only animation I see of gy is the special bouldy

latent moon
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Have you see the 60 guan Yu lmao

mint coral
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I haven't seen anything hades in a while ngl

latent moon
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60 guan Yu is spin build

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Athena attack with massive spin and rd

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53 sec overtime

mint coral
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That sounds blessed

latent moon
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Oh definitely

covert hare
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how many victory screen little comments are? and what does trigger them

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for example

hollow portal
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Trying to get a clear with all weapons and struggling with bow, any tips?

covert hare
latent moon
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There's a ton, you can look at them on the wiki

covert hare
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i see

latent moon
covert hare
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how should i distribute titan blood?

tardy aurora
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best aspect on ur main weapon

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then the best on ur next best

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basically ur gon want get all good aspects maxed

covert hare
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i see

tardy aurora
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1 on each

covert hare
covert hare
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is it possible to get 4 revives?

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or is it capped at 3

stoic pumice
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is doom even good? for slow weapons, percent damage seems better, and for fast hits stuff like zeus and hangover seems way better

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am i missing something?

frozen tinsel
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Stuff you won't be dealing good damage with.

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Like shield or bow special.

mint coral
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Doom is good with ME

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Or memeing with dire misfortune

mint coral
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But death defiance itself goes up to 3

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And skelly's tooth gives you a slighty different revive

true oak
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Soo i'm doing a boonless run, but styx shop has offered me a pom

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Hypothetically, what would happen if I took it without pomable boons?#

stone rune
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you get spare wealth

covert hare
stone rune
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its a thing that shows up

latent moon
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Yeah

stone rune
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i think 120 bucks

upper wolf
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Doom is pretty good even without ME

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The damage is just pretty high even baseline

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It has less synergies so it's harder to scale it, but it's perfectly acceptable

vital plaza
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what's the hades modding scene look like

latent moon
obsidian linden
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hello everyone

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time to try the Merciful End combo

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First room Epic Curse of Pain

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(Curse of Pain really get the buff from Demeter Fist ?)

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the real question is should a swap Curse of pain with Athena's Divine Flourish ?

rose roost
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yes

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for dem ares attk and athena special is the way to go

stone rune
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there is 0 reason not to

obsidian linden
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(also, Zag, Talos or Demeter)

stone rune
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wait

stone rune
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what do you have at the moment

rose roost
obsidian linden
stone rune
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oh yes swap that

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thats awful

obsidian linden
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ok, swaped

obsidian linden
rose roost
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you can't apply doom multiple times unless dire misfortune

obsidian linden
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I was thinking of a dumb time 5 damage

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but ok

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I may give up on that

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first room also got Chaos and the first Boons is Special deal +108%

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at that point, just go back and take Arthemis (or Aphrodite), right ?

tardy aurora
lavish sorrel
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X × Chaos legendary + skelly tooth + 3DDs = 4 + X

void vigil
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early access players remember...

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to be fair once you used a DD, it was gone

mint coral
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Wait what's happening 8n that screenshot lmao

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Unlimited dd works

tardy aurora
void vigil
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high heat used stubborn defiance either way, because its the only way to heal with lasting consequences

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or they dont use them at all, because the mirror is fully disabled 🫢

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but in a regular run, you can still get 9 DDs you just have to be lucky. say you have the tooth and use all of them, and then you get 2 back from athena and use those, and then you see patroclus. unless my math is wonky thats 10

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and you can always get more from chaos, but thats pretty rare and conditional

tardy aurora
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thats not really worth it then lol

mint coral
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It sends a message at least

void vigil
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lol

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thanks sparrow for this meme

unknown.png
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from... 5 years ago...

upper wolf
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having 1300 health is not enough to trivialize high heat, especially depending on how high we're talking

tardy aurora
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rn its taking me 5 paths for sack, i took on the minibosses first yet still taking 5

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ok so 191/302 hp 3 DD going into hades

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will i lose?

mint coral
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Nah, you'd win

tardy aurora
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nd im running demeter lol

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but no dash boon

wary iron
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Merciful end?

mint coral
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What attack are you running

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Or at least good special hammers (kinetic/explosive upper)

tardy aurora
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107 hp 3 dd going into 2nd phase

tardy aurora
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ill post in boast in a min

mint coral
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Do you have static discharge?

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Even w/o it that looks winnable

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Just ginna take a while/play it safe

tardy aurora
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ok done

silk stone
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which aspect of the twin fists is the best except the secret aspect

upper wolf
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demeter

silk stone
upper wolf
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demeter>zag>hidden>=talos

silk stone
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12 attacks then good special attack right?

silk stone
upper wolf
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what what

silk stone
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wdym by demeter>zag>hidden>=talos

mint coral
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Best to worst

silk stone
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talos is worst?

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i like talos tbh

mint coral
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Hidden are talos are def rough

silk stone
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whagt

mint coral
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For most content it won't matter and you still can win with them

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But yeah, kinda bad lol

silk stone
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hmm

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im getting so many keys to get titanblood

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hehehehhar

mint coral
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Talos is rough cuz the slower special thanks to the pull and the debuff itself is bad (+50% to attack with the fists attack base dmg)

silk stone
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OH

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i thought it was just that it pulls people

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dayum

mint coral
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The cast dmg bonus is slighty better but once again you need to apply it one enemy at a time

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Vs something like poseidon that's also 50% but is an always on buff

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Or even worse, eris which is a 75% global dmg buff that's easy to keep on

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And for speedruns that always use fiery presence (bonus dmg vs undamaged foes) the pull makes it impossible to use that

silk stone
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o

mint coral
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Cuz the pull does 20 dmg

silk stone
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yeh

mint coral
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So yeah clunky to use + not helpful bonus

silk stone
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thanks 4 the info

mint coral
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Also described as "talos has so many extra techniques only to still fall short of demeter"

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But just to repeat the point you can still use it for the most part

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My first win was talos bouldy

upper wolf
mint coral
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Lmao

silk stone
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is aspect of gilgamesh good

mint coral
silk stone
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oh

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so its mid

mint coral
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Different problems but I admit is more fun really

silk stone
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rip

wary iron
upper wolf
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Yes

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But the part of the run before ME is even more painful than usual

mint coral
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Also the dashes are shorter with longer cooldown

upper wolf
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Oh yeah, forgot about that

tardy aurora
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ok i take back what i said about sheild being unpreferable, BOW IS UNWANTED

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hera aspect at leasr

mint coral
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Damn

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Although I wonder what built you were using/how you were playing it

tardy aurora
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btw is the legendary boon which increases how often fish can be found permanent?

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or no

last veldt
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All boons are transient.

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You can get it again, but it's rare.

tardy aurora
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so not even a fishing related one is permanent

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a pain but fair

last veldt
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It's consistent at least.

tardy aurora
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fun fact: if you hit asterius with chill and it dmgs him, u see the damage marker on him as he leaves the chamber

mint coral
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You can even kill him while he leaves

rustic vale
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which honestly makes it way worse

last veldt
mint coral
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Idk really? Can be that is just hard to do

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You need quite a strong DoT to do it

last veldt
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I know he'll just be back in Heros fight even if you do.

mint coral
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Other option would be your usual dose of rd + a million ichors

last veldt
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Yeah, hangover, razor shoals, chill and winter harvest might do it.

rustic vale
silk stone
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is aspect of zeus on shield good?

rustic vale
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Yes

silk stone
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whats the best aspect on the shield

mint coral
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Zeus and hidden

upper wolf
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hidden if you're greedy, zeus if you're not

rustic vale
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zeus just has a higher skill floor (I think this is the right terminology?)

upper wolf
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yeah

rustic vale
upper wolf
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beo is goated if you get mirage shot + cshot

silk stone
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i got zeus aspect just now

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it feels interesting to mess around with

upper wolf
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and good chaos cast boons

mint coral
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Just mirage is enough to win

silk stone
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idk how to get hidden aspect yet but ill see

upper wolf
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zeus is goated if you get explosive return + zeus special

mint coral
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Static discharge:

upper wolf
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ok fair I forgor 💀

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still easier to get a core + hammer + T2 than duo + hammer + chaos a couple time

mint coral
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I mean good chaos is more for speedruns than anything

silk stone
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YOO

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ITS SO GOOD

mint coral
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Not wrong in zeus being 2 boons and done build tough

silk stone
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its been a while since i used the shield

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me main varatha

mint coral
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Zeus shield is really a glow up for shield lmao

silk stone
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real

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handsome shield frfr

upper wolf
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zeus shield be like
👁️ 👃 👁️
👄

rustic vale
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It’s just zeus special & discharge

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It’s really just nice to have

rustic vale
stiff obsidian
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it is time

tardy aurora
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invest in the ranks at that point

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or buy a bunch of items from broker u need

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like max each aspect

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all bonds

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etc.

stiff obsidian
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i have already maxed everything, i have been saving up darkness for the max rank since you need 325k for that

rustic vale
tardy aurora
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if you end up with leftovers just max the ranks

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damn

rustic vale
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Only issue is

tardy aurora
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how long have you played?

rustic vale
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You can only buy 1 per run

stiff obsidian
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yea

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i have time

tardy aurora
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or broker

stiff obsidian
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quick reset will make this go faster

rustic vale
void vigil
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WOOO you did it

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gratz

stiff obsidian
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yep but taking a while to reset so i put it off for now

void vigil
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i genuinely just died 50 times because i thought it was funny

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broke my 145 or so streak just to finally 100%

stiff obsidian
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oh its only 50 times?

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ive already done like 15 so ill be there quick

void vigil
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arent there 50 ranks? am i misremembering

stiff obsidian
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reset mirror to remove dds, using guan yu and hl5 fo2 bp2 hel mode (for no pl)

void vigil
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ignore me its 100

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i think.

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i confused myself

mint coral
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Dor hurt themselves in the confusion *pokemon sfx

stiff obsidian
tardy aurora
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gilgamesh isnt the worst aspect, change my mind

void vigil
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What is in your opinion?

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dedicated runners have a “meta” but it doesn’t dictate what you find fun

tardy aurora
rustic vale
void vigil
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Whew thank you

rustic vale
void vigil
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Honestly if it wasn’t gilgamesh, it would probably be chaospect

rustic vale
void vigil
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And it used to be so good….

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I like sword, but only arthur. I’m bad with the rest

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But it has pretty good aspects that I’ve never played as far as I know

stiff obsidian
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sword is my worst weapon

rustic vale
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Spear is my worst weapon by # of clears but I think fists is probably my worst

tardy aurora
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swipe can handle groups

novel oak
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Try nemesis with privileged status boons and you will change your mind

tardy aurora
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hera aspect is overated imo

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did worse on it than chiron

gray apex
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Nemesis with Pstatus and status boons is miles better than any Gilga

rustic vale
tardy aurora
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atleast gilga is useable

novel oak
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It’s just more consistent. I’m sure you can get a better build if you really tried

rustic vale
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“I’m did bad with it so it’s a bad tool”

tardy aurora
stiff obsidian
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im measuring based on the heat ive done on each and i simply cant push sword

tardy aurora
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as in my experience its overated

stiff obsidian
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feeels unintuitive like spear without flurry imo

gray apex
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I think it's pretty staightforward just hard to play

stiff obsidian
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yea

tepid light
stiff obsidian
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like i cant get my fingers do press the right buttons consistently

raw herald
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kbm sword is hard tbf

rustic vale
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Yes

tardy aurora
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like my feelings on hollowknight

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its good but im too bad with it

rustic vale
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And so your opinion is that other people think it’s better than it js

tardy aurora
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also i couldnt beat hades with it, i beat him with vanilla sword

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that says a lot imo

rustic vale
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pretty sure crush shot kills enemies just as well as it kills bosses

tardy aurora
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my build wasnt optimized tbf

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i just play as i go

rustic vale
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Hera may have a higher skill floor and build floor but still

gray apex
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Hera is pretty hard

rustic vale
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It’s rated just fine

gray apex
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harder on kbm

tardy aurora
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so you may find it easy

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but you acknlowedged the higher skill floor than average

rustic vale
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Yeah, I mean an important caviot on the strength of aspects like hera and zeus is the skill floor

tardy aurora
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demeter doesnt have a high skill floor yet its seen as above average at least

rustic vale
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these aspects perform well but you need to know what you’re doing with them

tardy aurora
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and by your logic, i am skilled as i can use demeter

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see the flaw in that?

rustic vale
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When did I say that?

tardy aurora
autumn rose
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ZEUUUSSSSSS

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meow

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~ Zeus

tardy aurora
rustic vale
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skill floor doesn’t directly mean a better aspect

tardy aurora
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yet you say their strength scales

rustic vale
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yes

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They get way better with the player having more skill

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high skill floor and high skill ceiling

tardy aurora
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and before you say we can drop it know, you started this argument not a debate

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just a warning

rustic vale
#

the strength of an aspect isn’t directly tied to the skill floor

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Otherwise eris wouldn’t be a strong aspect

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but zeus and hera are strong aspects that have a high skill floor to function well

tardy aurora
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so what is your point in the fact that i find hera ill fitted normally yet you claim that it has a high skill floor therefore sort of proving my point

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i have less than about say 75 hours into hades

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and i havent got all olympians to max bond

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brb

rustic vale
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My point is they aren’t overrated

echo scaffold
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Aspect of Zeus does indeed have a low skill floor, I just got my first clear yesterday using it

tardy aurora
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which i understand but-

rustic vale
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Like understanding how to properly use the special of zeus cataputs it

raw herald
void vigil
raw herald
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lots of buttons

echo scaffold
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What does hera do?

void vigil
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so much so that i probably played 100 runs with it consecutively. guesstimating

raw herald
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loads casts into attack

echo scaffold
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Bow?

tardy aurora
mint coral
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Hades is super easy to control your builds

void vigil
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with a few rerolls and a keepsake you can get really close to guaranteeing it, honestly

mint coral
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Like the barebones hera build is also just cast and poms

gray apex
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That makes it hard in my opinion because if you try to those on other weps its not that bad

void vigil
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oh i have aim assist off

raw herald
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yea

tardy aurora
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also i dont plan to speedrun, minus the heat challenge but thats not really speedrunning

void vigil
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oh yeah i am looking at this all from a casual perspective

tardy aurora
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i have it on

echo scaffold
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Is Hades better on kbm or controller?

raw herald
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my first time playing hera i used stygian soul and wondered why i was doing 0 damage

tardy aurora
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even though i main-

tardy aurora
echo scaffold
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Oh

raw herald
#

subjective

void vigil
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controller is recommended, but i played a loooot with kbm and had no problem

stiff obsidian
tardy aurora
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lord i struggled on even heroes while on controller

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yet i can easilly clear most of it on kbm

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although i do have god mode on...

void vigil
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its probably a matter of being used to controllers or no

echo scaffold
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I always use controllers

tardy aurora
#

i used controller for years before hades

echo scaffold
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For years

gray apex
rustic vale
tardy aurora
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i went onto kbm not long ago

void vigil
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im not, i always play kbm so playing anything with a controller is weird to me. unless its unplayable with kbm, i will put up with atrocious controls... lol

tardy aurora
#

defo easier for less sweaty games

raw herald
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cant rlly go wrong with either

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both are good

echo scaffold
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I have hades on switch, idk if I should buy it on pc

rustic vale
#

Both have success in speedrunning

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So it’s not like either is inherently better in that metric

tardy aurora
raw herald
gray apex
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It's just preference. More people choose controller. Most high heaters are on KBM

void vigil
echo scaffold
#

How much?

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I have $15

raw herald
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55% off i think

gray apex
#

I think around 4$

tardy aurora
echo scaffold
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In my account

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I just had my first clear

tardy aurora
#

that was like 23 days ago

rustic vale
echo scaffold
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Last night

void vigil
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https://store.steampowered.com/app/1145360/Hades/ just sharing to see the price

Steam
Hades

Hades is a god-like rogue-like dungeon crawler that combines the best aspects of Supergiant's critically acclaimed titles, including the fast-paced action of Bastion, the rich atmosphere and depth of Transistor, and the character-driven storytelling of Pyre.BATTLE OUT OF HELLAs the immortal Prince of the Underworld, you'll wield the powers and m...

Price

$12.49

Recommendations

221910

Metacritic

93

▶ Play video
tardy aurora
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i bough pyre for 4 quid earlier

echo scaffold
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Bet

gray apex
echo scaffold
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12.49

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$

tardy aurora
gray apex
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its 12.49 on the embed I think?

echo scaffold
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I'll pick it up

gray apex
#

open it

echo scaffold
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Does it have cross save

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?

rustic vale
#

$16.25 CAD shadeohboy

tardy aurora
void vigil
#

other sg games are also suuuper cheap in the sale, if youre looking for a sign to play the other ones, this is it

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it has it with switch

echo scaffold
void vigil
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but not other consoles

rustic vale
#

Hades has crosssaves

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Iirc

#

Like I’m pretty sure it’s right there when you open the game no?

tardy aurora
#

what other SG game do i get after hades ( i alr bought pyre)

gray apex
#

Bastion gud

void vigil
#

why not both

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theyre as cheap as itll get

rustic vale
#

Holding out for whenever Hades is the epic game of the week /j

tardy aurora
#

true buying both other ones too

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only liek a fiver for both

rustic vale
tardy aurora
#

just made my entire steam page just a hades wallpaper

void vigil
#

my profle is also very hades themed

upper wolf
#

blooded and darknesspilled

tardy aurora
#

who would ultimately win out of zagreus and the doom slayer

rustic vale
#

Probably Zag because I’m the person playing Zag and I have plot armour

stiff obsidian
#

@void vigil its done

rustic vale
void vigil
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Wheeeeee

stiff obsidian
#

time to catch the surface fish now 💀

rustic vale
#

💀

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You’ven’t done that yet?

#

How

stiff obsidian
#

idk i never get the perfect catch

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its the last thing left for me in the game

rustic vale
void vigil
#

I like you’ven’t as a word

stiff obsidian
#

beside personal goals

rustic vale
#

See You’dn’t’ve is another one I like

void vigil
#

I completed the codex ages ago and basically everything else in the game, I just decided to do the ranks this year

tardy aurora
#

WHY DO ASTERIUS AND THESEUS HAVE GEAR THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS MADE BY HEPHESTUS HIMSELF

rustic vale
#

You did this to yourself

stiff obsidian
rustic vale
#

Turning on EM3

tardy aurora
#

THESEUS HAS GATLING GUNS, FREAKING GATLING GUNS

rustic vale
tardy aurora
#

WHY DIDNT POSEIDON MENTION THIS WHEN HE SET THE BOUNTY FOR THESEUS` HEAD

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THIS AINT A BOON, THATS FAVORTISM

rustic vale
mint coral
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I love blind reactions to em3 zaglol

rustic vale
tardy aurora
rustic vale
#

No you didn’t

tardy aurora
#

oh because if i did ID GO BACK AND SLAP MYSELF

rustic vale
#

Oh in that case you did

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(You didn’t)

novel oak
#

Em1 made me stand up out my chair

tardy aurora
#

i swear if he gets to drive away and spam calls i am going to bully him

nocturne kelp
tardy aurora
#

i aint even using demeter

stiff obsidian
#

demeter is worse for em3

tardy aurora
nocturne kelp
#

STOP IT

tardy aurora
nocturne kelp
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GRAHAUAUSHSIOQJSISSO@#@[,!>@[×@&@[××>@[@>@#>@[×@9@&×>×>:@@[@

novel oak
nocturne kelp
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Hi

novel oak
#

Speaking of the devil

stiff obsidian
novel oak
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Oh no lol

tardy aurora
#

ngl i thought same

nocturne kelp
#

Me three

tardy aurora
nocturne kelp
#

Lalslalalalalalaa!! Tehe

tardy aurora
nocturne kelp
#

MY SINGING IS BEAUTIFUL YOUR JUST JEALOUS

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!!

mint coral
#

Talk with Achilles after you are back to see lore on Theseus outfit

nocturne kelp
#

Rgehdhsisoahsowpwoa

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hi

tardy aurora
#

HAHA FIRST TRY

nocturne kelp
#

GRRYDHSSH

tardy aurora
#

NO DD TAKEN

#

LEGIT ALL HE DID WAS DRIVE AROUND AS I PUMMELED ASTERIUS

#

PHASE 2 HAPPENED IN 20 SECONDS

last veldt
#

Tbh you'll probably find it easier in the long run.

nocturne kelp
#

Killing all bosses is easy except for || hades|| in my opinion

mint coral
#

Asterius becomes a bigger threat and Theseus becomes an acorn charges stealer

last veldt
#

Phase 2 happens when||he's down to only 1/3 health||, so a ||strategic call|| often ends it there and then

tardy aurora
nocturne kelp
#

True

nocturne kelp
tardy aurora
#

unless i do em4 i never have to do that again

mint coral
#

Em3 is a fun pact

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Also 6 heat so worth it

tardy aurora
#

agreed

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i do 3 em and like 20% jury duty

mint coral
#

Em4 is the typical "is not worth it" for high heat

last veldt
#

Though EM3 + FO2 is no laughing matter.

mint coral
#

Oh yeah most people don't do em3 fo2 lmao

last veldt
#

And EM4 + FO2 is fairly brutal

mint coral
#

Asterius is funny

last veldt
#

Wheeeeee

tardy aurora
#

asterius is a respectable lad, theseus is a douche who im suprised no one broke the nose on until zagreus does

mint coral
#

He is annoying but he has the skill to back it up

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And also the power of the olympians so what are you gonna do anyways

tardy aurora
tardy aurora
mint coral
#

You in this case are zagreus so lol

#

Random heroes #8827 of elysium ain't doing much

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And heracles isn't in ely

tardy aurora
#

theseus is the only one hades tolerates

#

heracles is hated and for on hades

#

he was kinda a prick even outside the "hera incident"

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but wheres perseus?

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he wasnt a jerk

#

he was a son of zues tho...

nocturne kelp
ashen rapids
tardy aurora
nocturne kelp
#

Yeah

tardy aurora
#

and to be fair medusa killed a good amount of people still

#

so it would be a good deed imo

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poseidon did that to her

rustic vale
nocturne kelp
#

Still love dusa tho

tardy aurora
tardy aurora
nocturne kelp
#

LMFAO?

tardy aurora
#

no cap

rustic vale
#

I mean yeah

#

Can’t let mortals get away with dissing your loom game

tardy aurora
#

ah i mean arachne

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not ariadne

#

Everyone was amazed at her work and one day, Arachne boosted that she had a greater talent than goddess Athena herself. This was an offense towards the gods, which was a very serious and even deadly sin for the ancient Greeks. That is why goddess Athena transformed her into a spider to weave for all her life long.

rustic vale
#

In the version of the myths I heard

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This happened after or during a competition between them

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Over who loomed better

tardy aurora
#

eh some tales have different retellings

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like some say hades kidnapped persephone

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some say she went willingly

rustic vale
tardy aurora
#

some say zues let it happen

tardy aurora
#

by giving examples

tardy aurora
upper wolf
#

we all know the canon version is the one we might get in Hades 2

tardy aurora
#

except theres some variation

rustic vale
#

Hades plays around with the myths though

#

Kind of does it’s own thing to make the story work

tardy aurora
#

such as the like 3/4 of the year thing

tardy aurora
#

equal to percy jackson imo

#

story wise

#

both do myths justice

rustic vale
#

both play around with concepts from the myths anyways

#

I think it’s time I stopped talking about Hades and actually finished my run shadesmile

nocturne kelp
nocturne kelp
tardy aurora
#

if so i will play you in chess or another game to settle it

#

fps chess maybe?

nocturne kelp
tardy aurora
# nocturne kelp Nah I likw percy Jackson it's just very underrated

agreed however, in my school yr 7 8 are studying lightning theif rn, they started right after i finished yr 8, which i hate as i would be a know it all considering i read it in year 5 so id be a nightmare, still a know it all and i saw my yr 7/8 english teaching it and on her display theres one sheet about zues painting him as a great guy, i was dumbfounded because he was painted as flawless and hades as a "trickster god" 1 NO HE IS NOT LOL 2 THATS HERMES

#

dam it like cant a teacher get accurate backstory or nah

nocturne kelp
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One of my friends said that their teacher made hermes very dirty

tardy aurora