h1-discussion

[stone rune]

its just some amounts of enforced timeloss

40 on the other hand is soul crushing

[latent moon]

i mean i've been doing 40 on and off for a while lmao

[signal aspen]

32 speedruns are honestly better than anyheat in unmodded

[latent moon]

faster resets 💪

maybe i'll give 32 runs a chance

it's just anyheat except it hurts more

[signal aspen]

i still think about how that run couldve been faster

[stone rune]

there is nothing good about unmodded speed

[signal aspen]

cus i got like bullmaned barged castbugged and double darknessed

[latent moon]

lmao based

barge is an easy like 20 sec time save

bullman prob another 20

[signal aspen]

6:59:97 💪

[latent moon]

cast bug was like idk 5 secs? you got it pretty fast

you def could've gotten a way better time lmao

sub6able tbh

[signal aspen]

couldve beaten my anyheat time

[latent moon]

lmao based

[signal aspen]

can i submit 32 heat runs in anyheat

its anyheat right

[latent moon]

technically yeah

[signal aspen]

or do 32 heat runs go in 32

[latent moon]

idk you'll have to ask the verifiers lmao

just do like

31 heat

so it can only go into anyheat

[signal aspen]

ill do 33 heat

and wont show previous death

[latent moon]

lmfao

[brisk trail]

how do you do divided by death i need help

[cobalt heath]

Sorry to bring the discussion back to Zagreus versus Pit, but I thought about it more and we do have a reference for what a ground vs Power of Flight battle would be like. There’s a boss battle against Dark Pit where he uses the ability mid-fight. In it the screen-clearing special attacks only fill up specific zones, meaning they’re dodgeable. Plus, Pit can’t naturally control his flight path, so he would probably be stuck hovering not too far away from Zag with limited strafing. Basically, no sniping from the sky. As for Zag being able to beat Hades without boons, I don’t think it means much for powerscaling since I’m certain Pit could do the same thing to Zag’s Hades, it’s just the KIU Hades is much more powerful.

Actually, is there any specific lore or mythology behind the armor that Theseus and the Minotaur wear? Because if it’s a close parallel to Pit’s Three Sacred Treasures, that could heavily tip the scales in Zag’s favor.

[brisk trail]

No mommy for hades ?😭

[velvet gale]

Hey Fellas. I am in need of help 🤔 I m timing my fresh file run (finally a new PB) and I am lost. Do I count the time the exact moment REDACTED falls to his knees or when the HP bar dissapier?

hopefully this channel is the correct one to ask I forgot been a while since I was here.

[mossy berry]

Trying to unlock ||Beo|| and ||Luci|| aspects, but even after 5 runs seeing both Zeus and Chaos each time, neither gives me the necessary quote...
I got 4 blood invested in Zeus aspect and 1 in Zag shield, and 6 blood in Eris.
||Guan Yu|| is revealed but not unlocked.
What am I missing?

[velvet gale]

Have you invested blood into others aspects of these weapons?

[mossy berry]

No

[velvet gale]

I believe you need to || reveal Guan Yu||and || invest 5 blood into the aspects of weapons which hidden aspects you are trying to unlock||.

[mossy berry]

So I need to invest a total of 5 blood across ALL 3 aspects?

[velvet gale]

I believe so, but its been a while since I was unlocking I was ....kinda closed with fresh file for a while.

[mossy berry]

I did. 6 in Rail (only Eris) and 5 in Shield

[sour fog]

There's a server specifically for speedrunning pinned in self promotion channel, you might have more luck there

[mossy berry]

4 Zeus and 1 Zag

[raw herald]

They’re pretty much at the same time right?

Do you have autosplitter

[velvet gale]

ehm these few frames might save me a whole second due to rounding

I was looking on timer and dying to spin to win so I started runnin withnout it so no autosplitter 🤔.

[velvet gale]

Ill try thanks!

[raw herald]

It’ll be the exact same frame as when the igt stops

[velvet gale]

well If you met all conditions it still rng before you get the conversation.

[velvet gale]

fresh file is timed by real time I believe.

[raw herald]

Yeah ik

But you’ll stop the real time at the same time as the igt timer stops

[mossy berry]

Good point.

[stiff obsidian]

can you dash strike with flurry shot

[vale moss]

i think so?

but still don’t take hdash or anything with it

[stiff obsidian]

so like dashing would make the next shot do less damage ?

[mint coral]

Yeah

And any dash strike buff would be added

[soft veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396807263173476354/1152590538697093120/ayo.mp4

You guys do with this funny clip as you will

[crystal star]

But it isnt funny

[grizzled summit]

so i seen there was a Hades 2 Technical test apparently..

intersting

wonder how we gonna get access to that

[drowsy linden]

i want trippy with beo, right?

[rose roost]

trippy has more dmg potential iirc

bcuz of pom glitch

but flood fare is the best cast

for beo

[coral kite]

funny about Hades it’s about the son escaping from his family’s home

Usually it’s the dad

Imagine if Hades was about Hades escaping the underworld to “get milk”

[latent moon]

flood is better since it opens mirage and you can get it going more consistently than trippy

trippy needs chaos rng to work well

[drowsy linden]

got a heroic heartbreak

[wary iron]

I just had the perfect run, it was the highest heat and quickest yet, but obviously I had to find the sack I’m the last room, and I lost all my dd in process…

[drowsy linden]

is it better to load all stones or just 1 at a time to get dragon rush

[stiff obsidian]

if you stack inferno bomb chaos curses do they throw 2 of them when they die

[stone rune]

yea

the yshhould

[stiff obsidian]

funi

[brisk trail]

I need hades 2

[jagged hamlet]

Cutest things in Hades: Dusa, everything Artemis says (even when she's angry), and how Zag lamely riffs off of Than's lines during Than encounters

Oh! And Cerberus, ofc

Oops corrected. I get their names mixed up

[sick mortar]

question

does Charon's membership card count as a god boon?

im trying to do a boonless run and i... got his card

[jagged hamlet]

If it's not purgeable (I don't think it is), it shouldn't count against you

[sick mortar]

same for the 2.5% bonus damage per god boon mirror perk

[jagged hamlet]

Mirror perks aren't counted as boons

[raw herald]

I’m 99% sure it’s not

Well items appear in the boon screen too and they don’t count

[sick mortar]

i meant

[raw herald]

Same with dark thirst

[sick mortar]

would i get more bonus damage from the damage-per-different-god mirror perk

if i get charon's card?

[gray apex]

No

[sick mortar]

ah fair

[jagged hamlet]

Among the better aspects for IGT, which have lower APM?

[stone rune]

beo\

and rama ig

[jagged hamlet]

Even accounting for mashing Cast?

[stone rune]

u dont really need to mash

mashign loses time cause of cast bug

[jagged hamlet]

Oh interesting. Wasn't aware of bugs with casts. Will have to look at the big sheet of Hades bugs

Thanks!

[stone rune]

that one is

if u mash in a speicifc wya

you wont be able to interact until u pick up a stone

[jagged hamlet]

Thanks!

[drowsy linden]

i require a theme to get(no infinite)

[whole comet]

Tempted to rob Charon?

[jagged hamlet]

What a steal deal!

[untold crown]

charon card isn't a boon

i mean, is it?

[whole comet]

It is just a card

So no

[whole comet]

I feel like that might count if u benefit from boons

[crystal star]

Cthonic is good

Deathly is good

[jagged hamlet]

Woodland is quite pretty

[stiff obsidian]

does rocket bomb not follow cursor???

[latent moon]

it should

[stiff obsidian]

it doesnt

all the other specials do

[latent moon]

i've never had a problem with it

[stiff obsidian]

i have attack at cursor off

[latent moon]

i dont think anyways

[stiff obsidian]

it just shoots in whatever direction zag is facing

[latent moon]

idk i haven't played a lot of rail recently but from memory it should follow cursor still

[stiff obsidian]

oh nvm

idk it buggy sometimes

[latent moon]

maybe because enemies weren't nearby? idk

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1152750503344742410/image.png

600 hours

[stone rune]

yeah with aim at cursor off

itll go vaguely wasd

[stiff obsidian]

in empty room it followed cursor

[stone rune]

when enemies r there

itll auto lock

[stiff obsidian]

oh

[drowsy linden]

is there any secret reward that resource director gives when upgrading the badge, like more darkness?
or is it truly just a cool badge

[mint coral]

Is a really cool badge

[drowsy linden]

is charged shot good or bad on beo

[mint coral]

Best hammer

[drowsy linden]

i now have hera at home

[whole comet]

https://youtu.be/QBTpdXpdSxU?t=604
Is Haelian trying to troll people? Shield(Chaos) recommendation for new Heat32 players?

[drowsy linden]

idk if hes trolling, though the guide was being clowned on earlier in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[whole comet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/917769603449511956/Desktop_9-27-2021_6-45-15_PM-258.jpg?width=996&height=560
my very first clear with Chiron, easiest way to do Heat32

[last veldt]

It's pretty good to get no core boons like that. Nice job.

[stone rune]

im pretty sure there are easier ways to do 32

[ionic hemlock]

⬆️ can’t detect sarcasm

[shrewd patio]

Just tried Hera + Phalanx shot. Really Fun! Went all in on the chonky hits, got twin and explosive hammers, some big numbers..

[light glen]

I just rolled the credits on Hades. What an ending!

[grim fern]

I am unironically impressed by all your best times.

[whole comet]

i used to just take my time on runs, dun rush through things

[light glen]

My best is around 24 minutes but much lower heat.

My hands were cramping after that one. LOL

A tip for my fellow speedrunners, Grab greater haste (Hermes boon) and Ignitited Ichor (Well of Charon) whenever you see them.

[latent moon]

hyper sprint better

hyper sprint -> rush delivery -> ichors -> nyoom and deletion

[stone rune]

if u wanna run

[light glen]

Hyper sprint always threw me into danger when I used it.

[stone rune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI look at this

[jagged hamlet]

That's the way to play 👍

[stone rune]

i cant do that

[jagged hamlet]

We might literally be opposites, jazz

[grim fern]

I think it's neat that people are increasing their heat in wildly different ways. I've never been one to speedrun but Tight Deadline seemed like free real estate and I've been enjoying going at a faster pace.

[stone rune]

that it is

up till a certain point

[light glen]

The first level is doable. 3rd is barely possible in my experience.

[jagged hamlet]

Slowrun tips: fish every fish, loot every trove, look for golf urns every room, take every Styx tunnel to enjoy your build for longer

[stone rune]

td3 isnt that bad till high 50s

[latent moon]

takes a lot of practice and knowing meta builds/set ups tbf

for td3 at least

and like basic speedrun strats

but it's not too important compared to build

[stone rune]

that’s u

most of my 50 runs are 13/14 min

[light glen]

Imagine TD3 with maxed out jury summons too. Oh boy!

[stone rune]

blue men galore

[latent moon]

td3 with js3 and cp2 is not fun lmao

[stone rune]

eh

[light glen]

I'll be happy if I can get to 20 heat.

[true tartan]

my sister was watching my run and misread the furies as the furries

[stone rune]

js1 cp1 you can still sub10

at 50

[light glen]

Depends on what conditions you add.

[stone rune]

i mean

even the worst possible 20 pact wouldnt be too bad

ri4 ap2 is 13

so you cant even fit em4 in there

[latent moon]

there's a heat guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies if you wanna take a look at that, should help you out
also build guide pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat which should help

[stone rune]

cf2 js3 cp2 ri4 ap2

cf2 worst heat

mope

i did 62 heat cf0

ask my buddy eric

ok

no td

no fo

pretty free

why would you do that

hold m1 for a little while

its not good

but its not that bad

[jagged hamlet]

@stone rune 👀
It's a very average Nemesis VOD featuring me!
https://youtu.be/m91CZSrP53w?si=fg2l-dmRbZymE5wr

Please excuse some of the bad miniboss fights

[stone rune]

one main issue from cursory glance before i do laundry is dash strike directions

u often aren’t adjusting the second dash strikes direction

so it just goes to nowhere

if u wanna check out other nem controller players look at

croven cgull alena tounis

if ur really digging deep nuhai

[jagged hamlet]

Thanks! I might have similar issues with other aspects since I'm stuck around 10 min

[stone rune]

u can ask in speedcord

link pinned in #self-promotion

[jagged hamlet]

Are they friendly?

[stone rune]

very

this community is the most welcoming i know

everyone is nice

i’m probably the least nice active member there

[latent moon]

i'm less active than you for sure lmao

but community is nice yeah

as long as you arent an ass then youll be treated with respect

like the dude who came in using discord messages as proof of angel's run being weird

wasn't even the fact that she didn't do it, was just the fact that she had already done it and had decided to upload it then or something lmao

[jagged hamlet]

I guess I can start with the issue of missing strikes, then go from there. Still unsure what's happening with aspects like Zagbow which are much easier to aim, but maybe I'm whiffing there too hm

Interesting! cgull's dashes are a good bit slower and more deliberate than mine. Maybe I'm flailing a bit with faster weapons

[stone rune]

you cancel out a lot of your specials by dashing early

[jagged hamlet]

Ooh interesting. Plus I think I'm not actually landing a lot of the specials which I don't cancel since I start from very far away to get both my dash-strikes in

I think I have a first room hammer in my current seed, so I'll have to see if I can't get some improvements in

Thanks again!

First Nemesis, then the woooorld

I guess I should beat up Skelly a whole bunch first

[stone rune]

also

use infernal

[jagged hamlet]

Stygian Soul my beloved!

It's hard for me to keep track of Infernal Soul's loose bloodstones. I'm not exactly student age anymore

[short glen]

Dang I'm 21 and I already can't keep track or aim them

[jagged hamlet]

Ohohoho it only gets worse

[short glen]

That is incredibly distressing

[latent moon]

Why does infernal vs stygian matter for nem

Or is it just for rod

[stone rune]

huge in tart

[latent moon]

Oh that's for mega optimization

What's the goal here

[stone rune]

well in the vid they had eshot start lol

sub10 i assume

[latent moon]

If it's sub10 I don't think whatever soul matters tbh

Although if you're willing to do a cast start then infernal is gonna be better

[stone rune]

can’t hurt

yea

it was shackle zeus

[latent moon]

Tbh I'd rather do styian for a sub10 for better Hermes

And like not use the cast at all except for boiling blood

[stone rune]

meh

it’s still big to use in tart

brimstones

far away pests

lodge against armored thug

[latent moon]

Don't need it for a sub10 just use whatever you want for that imo

[stone rune]

ig

ofc it’s mainly gonna be mechanical improvements to bring that time down

[latent moon]

For nem I've mainly just dash striked lmao

[stone rune]

there’s also delayed dash strikes to get them to reach farther

[latent moon]

For sub10 you don't have to optimize like that but you can do that ofc

[stone rune]

which i picked up recently

[jagged hamlet]

If I can get better at Nemesis, surely it'll make me better at everything else

[latent moon]

You'll be better in the sense that you'll get better at figuring out the fastest way to kill enemies lmao

It's kinda why speedrunning skills transfer well to heat

You just learn to kill things faster

[jagged hamlet]

I see! This is all pretty new to me: I'm bad at video games

[latent moon]

Lmao it do be like that

It's partly why I've been able to pick up other aspects somewhat kinda well

Or at least decent enough for speedrunning it

[stiff obsidian]

do minibosses count as encounters

[formal orbit]

yes

[raw herald]

For chaos curses it won’t count for an extra foes curse

[sour fog]

I think that one specifies "standard encounters" and yeah minibosses do not count as standard encounter

not sure if any other curse has that

[stiff obsidian]

oh yea thats the one

[drowsy linden]

i cant keep track of stygian timer

impossible

[knotty glacier]

Sometimes you don't even need to look

Its more about intuition about how much had passed

[leaden belfry]

QUICK QUESTION

is flurry jav + triple iab

compatible

???

flurry jab and triple jab

[stone rune]

yes

[leaden belfry]

Nvm Hades was filling chill

damn just finished Hades

What do i do now

????

Its so over

[brisk trail]

100% it

[leaden belfry]

Ngl

The only 3 weapons i like

is fists

Railguj

and Spear

I cant make sword or shield work

is zagreus 5'2

Or is Hades 8'2

[brisk trail]

I like every weapon except fist

[leaden belfry]

why hate fist

[stone rune]

cause thye dont do damage

[crystal star]

Do you know that shield can block

[leaden belfry]

I have done clears with it

Its just feels clunky qt times

[crystal star]

But fists dont?

And spear doesn’t?

[leaden belfry]

fists is just dash strike

Spear is insane

I love spear

[crystal star]

Fists suck

I hate fists

[leaden belfry]

Gun is also insane

[crystal star]

I hope fists rot in a hole

[leaden belfry]

for me its Eris gun> achilles spear> fists of dem> aegis shield

Okay

I am gonna start having to clear with bow

on bowM

?

Oh

Yeah thats what I do on everything lol

Does rocket work on Eris gun ?

[jagged hamlet]

Yes

[leaden belfry]

okay. So uh i just need some fun hammers

shield hammers askde from dash attack hammer and attack hammer are so boring

cshot?

[jagged hamlet]

cshot! Or Charged Shot

[stiff obsidian]

are pillar crush damage fixed

when they crumble and deal dmg

[leaden belfry]

but it only does 80 dmg

oh base

Hold on

chatged attacks only applay attack.boons?

[crystal star]

???

[mint coral]

Cahot is super spammable also

[leaden belfry]

okay sorry i dont know much about game mechanics

[jagged hamlet]

Isn't it like 2x a fully charged Bull Rush?

[sweet cave]

"SPOILER ALERT"

Beat the game with all weapons, got persephone back home
Got 4 secret aspects unlocked and going for 16 heat

[sweet cave]

And im not even 24 hours in

[leaden belfry]

Damn

[mint coral]

Bullrush is like 50? I think

[leaden belfry]

ngl the lore is a bit confusing

[jagged hamlet]

How many runs did you take to get your first clear?

[leaden belfry]

It took me 40 runs lmao, I was on mosue and keyboard

[sweet cave]

Aspect of Arthur is the best weapon in the game

Or most fun to me xD

[stone rune]

best

those are 2 very different things

[jagged hamlet]

I kneeew you'd summon jazz 😂

[sweet cave]

I got in in half also mouse and keyboard

[stone rune]

arthur is bottom 4 aspect tho

[jagged hamlet]

I'm right between you two playing on controller

[sweet cave]

Switched to controller last couple of runs and its a lot better

[stone rune]

took me 26 or 23 on kbm

[leaden belfry]

I finished the game on controller

[stone rune]

one of the two idr

[sweet cave]

Really? I mean i dont think u can speedrun with it

But its fun chunky big numbers weapon

[leaden belfry]

I think i did it in like under 30 runs on KBM but that first clear was on fistss

[stone rune]

thats hestia

[leaden belfry]

Like fists u just need spacevar and lmb

[sweet cave]

Whats kbm?

[leaden belfry]

keyboard and mouse

[sweet cave]

Oh

[stone rune]

early game fists is reliant on every component of ur kit

attack dstrike special dupper cast

[sweet cave]

I mean the fastest runs i did was with hera bow and Achilles spear

[stone rune]

those are two of the fastest

[leaden belfry]

Idk i just did it but i hink i got very lucky with my stuff

[sweet cave]

Hera crush shot and bayblades spear

[leaden belfry]

Spear is so fun

[sweet cave]

Well it is

[leaden belfry]

I havent played with bow much tbf

[sweet cave]

Have u unlocked the aspect yet?

[leaden belfry]

i prefer the gun

i think i unlocked maot aspects

[sweet cave]

U should there are a lot of fun builds

[leaden belfry]

I just havent really focused on to one aspect

[sweet cave]

I have an amazing build for the gun

[leaden belfry]

The eris gun is just broken lol

I was just putting random stuff

[sweet cave]

Pick the second aspect get the rocket hammer and cluster bombs hammer

With arti (crit) on special

And boom u got 1000-2000 damage every 2 secs

[leaden belfry]

I usrd the other two

[sweet cave]

U can get zeus attack and call or zeus call only with aphro attack for the duo boon

[leaden belfry]

Delta or soemthinf

Yeah i did zeus attack i think with posi dasg

Or athena attack with posi dash

[sweet cave]

Just the cherry on top not that needed

[leaden belfry]

the other one was dino + aprho combo

[sweet cave]

Athena dash and cast prob the best

[leaden belfry]

yeah but i wanted posi dash

[sweet cave]

U couldbetter attk boons

[leaden belfry]

posi dash is crazy

[sweet cave]

Yeah the duo boon is goot

D

Whats posi dash?

I think most dashed u want to go with most of the runs are tidal dash and athena dash

[leaden belfry]

poseidons dash

[sweet cave]

Yeah

[leaden belfry]

tidal

yeah

[sweet cave]

Yep

Sometimes arti dash is good

[leaden belfry]

I might try charged shot shirld build

[sweet cave]

With dash strike crit sword build

[sweet cave]

Its the best hammer for the shield

[leaden belfry]

Does it stack with 500% dmg gammer

[sweet cave]

Whats that

[stone rune]

minotaur rush?

not worth taking or using

[leaden belfry]

ok

To unlock the Ignis i need to talk to zeus a lot right?

[mint coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751198390892888294/1153016684580438138/Screenshot_20230917-141620.png

@sharp parcel orange

[sharp parcel]

yeah, I found the 3D artist's page

[drowsy linden]

what aspect for a poseidon build

[jagged hamlet]

I got my fastest ever Tartarus at 2:05 👀 So close now

[drowsy linden]

dash build

i assume its gilg or achilles

[analog elbow]

@mint coral I still don't know what you mean! Soz #h2-discussion message

I figured we ought to change places since it's not relevant to the topic

Do you mean like he trained to be able to dash so that he could escape?

I can totally see that happen, but at the same time, based on the quote you shared, it sounds like they had this ability from birth

[mint coral]

No no, like if we encounter zag in the middle of a run like Than in hades 1 or a boss fight/whatever

[analog elbow]

I recall a convo about Than being a handful as a baby because he could tele worlds away

[analog elbow]

Ooooh! Duh... that would be cool!

[shut ermine]

Dang

[mint coral]

And instead of the dash from the first game he justs zooms to the other side of the map cuz he hit the gym

[analog elbow]

That would be sick, to have him zip across the world like Than

[shut ermine]

Baby Than got the world in the palm of his hands and he didn’t even know it

[analog elbow]

Personally, if he does appear, my only wish for him is to have some facial hair lmao

[stone rune]

jumpscared by the existence of more than 5 channels in this server

[analog elbow]

Oh fr haha

[shut ermine]

I think they’re gonna keep them separate

[mint coral]

Nyx following Than around the world

[analog elbow]

That whole convo reminded me of the baby from The Incredibles

[shut ermine]

Just like Mr. Incredible and Jakjak

[analog elbow]

I think that baby could also zip about, albeing for shorter distances

[shut ermine]

Lol

[analog elbow]

zing!

[olive radish]

any1 here wanna buy me hades? :)

[drowsy linden]

i can do it, heres my credit card:
why are you begging in the official server, get a job or beg your friends/parents

[jagged hamlet]

Grr Dyno hates classic English authors grr

[formal orbit]

I used the word tr.a.p for dad pot and got flag

[void vigil]

it wasnt that word, it was a swear

[stone rune]

[formal orbit]

Oh thank, make more sense

🍑 ?

I recalled i used that

[jagged hamlet]

Speedrun Hestia might be too big brain for me! I keep getting Special and Reload mixed up despite them being on radically different buttons LOL

[upper wolf]

I find it funny that supergiant goes "thank you for your support" because, like, I want to answer "thank you for the amazing game"

[jagged hamlet]

If I have Tidal Dash, Triple Bomb (Deadly Flourish), Dio Aid on Hestia, what might be the best play against Lernie's extra heads?

[stone rune]

u wanna distribute ur damage sources across the heads

attack one, triple some other and keep dashing around anothe

[jagged hamlet]

Thanks! Hope I have enough coordination to pull that off

[peak carbon]

What's a decent win rate

Like, percentage wise, what's considered good when it comes to beating a run

[jagged hamlet]

At low heat, lots of players can win indefinitely, I think

[peak carbon]

Yeah 😔

My win percentage is 30% I'm so annoyed

[sweet cave]

How many hours u got

[peak carbon]

137

[sweet cave]

Ohh

I have a bad win rate now i think cuz i got like 40ish runs and won like 12 only i think

[peak carbon]

Yea I'm really gutted at this percent

[sweet cave]

But now im just winning almost every run or reaching hades at least its not that hard

[peak carbon]

I'll just grind low heat runs I guess

[peak carbon]

I die to redacted errytiem

[sweet cave]

When u know ur weapon and aim for a build with keep sakes its not. That hard to win

[peak carbon]

I know

[sweet cave]

Whats that?

[peak carbon]

I just suck

Redacted

Final boss

[sweet cave]

Oh when hades ressurect?

[peak carbon]

No

[sweet cave]

I dont understand

[peak carbon]

When you die to hades, hypnos will say "you were killed by redacted"

[sweet cave]

Oh

[peak carbon]

And so, in an effort not to possibly spoil new players, I call him redacted

[sweet cave]

I mean most know already u can basically reach him first day if ur good enough

[peak carbon]

Meh

[mint coral]

Keyword good enough

[sweet cave]

If u want tips for hades i think just stack death defiance until u get better

Its just easy mode

If u lose some buy them again for 200

And u got an easy hades

[sweet cave]

I mean i played it before for couple of days and left it for about a year

When i returned i reached hades in 2 attempts i think

[mint coral]

Yeah but most people don't do that its what I mean

Redacted is a funny joke/little courtesy (even if specifically in this channel is unnecessary)

[peak carbon]

I don't, but thank you

[peak carbon]

Yeah, this. Everyone calls him redacted on the subreddit too

[stone rune]

the subreddit

[knotty glacier]

first time i played the game in early access i cleared on 29th attempt. 2 years later without playing the game, i started on a fresh file with hellmode on and cleared on 1st attempt with the rail ( as soon as i got it, which is like attempt 9?)

[peak carbon]

What's wrong with the subreddit

[peak carbon]

When I started a fresh file on switch I think I beat redacted in attempt 7 or 8

[mint coral]

Opinions about meta mostly

[peak carbon]

Oh I ignore all that

[stone rune]

theyre stuck in early access

[peak carbon]

I just look at the clips and laugh at the memes

I don't try to get into the meta side of the game

[peak carbon]

How do you mean

[mint coral]

But also it gets tiring talking about "subreddit opinion bad" most of the time so I don't really care

[knotty glacier]

of any game

[stone rune]

they still rec chaos shield

and chiron

and arthur

[peak carbon]

Womp womp

[stone rune]

and the worst 32 pacts you've ever seen

[peak carbon]

I personally love Arthur but it is NOT good lmao

[sweet cave]

Anytime

[knotty glacier]

💀 i cleared my first 32 heat with arthur and cursed slash

[peak carbon]

If I try to go 32 I just use the pinned guide ngl

[sweet cave]

Is the bosses heat that hard?

[peak carbon]

I've been trying to get used to +20% speed but elysium bones me

You mean em?

Easy

Except for em4

[knotty glacier]

EM4 is not exactly too hard until you ramp up speed to +40%

[peak carbon]

Em4 is tuff for me

But it isn't impossible

[mint coral]

Em4 fun but you aren't catching me recommending it on pacts

[peak carbon]

He go zoom zoom tho :(

[sweet cave]

I mean im not used to heat yet i found em 4 the easiest

[cedar drum]

anybody here

[stone rune]

wat

[cedar drum]

I got a problem just dont know where to look for an answer

[stone rune]

#h1-tech-support

[brisk trail]

i finally got every achievment

[latent moon]

gamer

[jagged hamlet]

AHHH SUB 2 TARTARUS I can be cool like jazz now

[latent moon]

gamer

[short glen]

Did the game ever explain why Than is just not affected by the thing that kills Zag for being on the surface for so long? I think it was implied in one line that it would also affect Hades eventually too

[ionic hemlock]

I think it does, but he’s never up there long enough to actually die

Remember a line about him saying if he is up there too long he starts feeling sick

[wispy sinew]

So is it just me or is hades not the hardest boss?

[whole comet]

he said he also felt uncomfortable on the surface for too long

[whole comet]

i think Hades EM4 is the hardest

Thessus EM3 is probably harder than normal Hades

[wispy sinew]

I'm just now starting em so idk might change my mind but regular run wise he isn't tge hardest imo

[whole comet]

then who's hardest to u?

[wispy sinew]

Charon

[whole comet]

oh yeah, he did hit harder than Hades

[wispy sinew]

I just got the mission about defeating him twice in a row and I'm like damn

[stone rune]

asterius

em3 theseus is still free

[whole comet]

i mean as a whole fight lol

[stone rune]

o

people usually call that heroes

[whole comet]

Heroes EM3 then

[stone rune]

but yea i think there are scenarios where em3 heroes is harder than non em dad

[wispy sinew]

I still remember figuring out he's a boss. I'm like sweet free gold...

[stone rune]

but non em dad is still harder for me when i’m pushing heat

i usually don’t even pop sd in heroes

[whole comet]

quite pact and weapon dependant

but man, that Asterius slam aoe XD

[wispy sinew]

How significant is regular to em1? I feel it can't do to much

[stone rune]

em1 is very small changes

but basically a free heat

[wispy sinew]

Same with 2?

[stone rune]

em2 is not small changes

huge visual difference

but for difficulty it’s not that bad

lernie is actually faster on em2

[whole comet]

EM3 is where the difference become obvious

[wispy sinew]

Lernie is my favorite boss but he isn't a challenge like at all the witches are harder

[stone rune]

he’s definitely the hardest boss for speedrun

takes a lot of mechanical skill to do a fast lernie

but it’s also very fun

[whole comet]

always bring up speedrun so quick lol

[stone rune]

i used to hate it but now i find it fun

[wispy sinew]

I can see that cuz the extra heads ans sometimes it takes few seconds sometimes for shield

[stone rune]

well that’s most of my experience with the game

[latent moon]

first few times it's a pretty big adjustment imo but it doesn't take that long to adapt to

[whole comet]

also, that's because speedrun don't do EM3+

[latent moon]

the heads group up a lot more because the arena is a lot smaller

so you can sometimes hit like 3 or 4 heads at a time

[wispy sinew]

Well I can't really speak on it without doing it

[latent moon]

i hit like 4 heads last time in a single rama shot

[latent moon]

40 heat speedruns go brr

jazz has been grinding 40 heat speed lmao

[wispy sinew]

@latent moon well that aspect wouldn't be hard but idk if just me lernie sometimes takes few seconds for shield to go away

[stone rune]

it sucks don’t do it

[whole comet]

is it? most people i see go for heat 9 lol

[stone rune]

awful category

[latent moon]

it's genuinely horrible

mainly because of ap1

like it's not even that difficult to clear (for me and jazz at least)

it's just like

ap1 cucking you on poms and boons lmao

[wispy sinew]

I gotta do the heat challenge so what is the best heats? Em1,the one about hit shield what else?

[stone rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/1148058974516678797/ap1_is_free_heat.mp4

[latent moon]

i mean yeah aspect dependent but it's beneficial for every aspect

like rail bomb, nem, etc

[stone rune]

don’t play it

[latent moon]

there's literally no other heat point that you can use lmao

other than ri1

everything else adds time

[stone rune]

50 is a lot less bad because the benchmarks are so much less difficult

hl5 lc4 cf1 em3 bp2 mm uc fo2 hs ap1 td3

[latent moon]

combine hl5 fo2 32 heat pact, add hs and drop cf2 to cf1

yeah

[wispy sinew]

No I didn't mean aspect as in weapon. I meant in that instance heads group wouldn't be hard. Just the shield pop would kill speed run

[latent moon]

what shield pop

[wispy sinew]

After you kill all the spare heads lernie shield sometimes take a few seconds to go away

Atleast for me everytime I vs hin

Him*

[latent moon]

oh i mean that's not exclusive to em2

that just happens lmao

yeah 40 heat speed sucks

i did it for a bit because anyheat didn't sound fun at first

and i wanted it to be a bit challenging

and then i gave up on it lmao

[stone rune]

it’s so bad

[latent moon]

once i got sub10 or something i think

[stone rune]

i’ve been grinding it for like 3 weeks

nothing

[latent moon]

came back to it for a bit because hotw was heat speed and got sub9 in the first few tries or something

and i dont want to go back

[whole comet]

and some people think AP is free heat for boonless lol

[latent moon]

https://imgur.com/pFBSztd

speaking of ap i just remembered this

[whole comet]

https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/2668/images/57/57-1606868049-1330525008.png
still can beat this at max TD lol

[wispy sinew]

Best boon for special?

[whole comet]

assuming u use heat40 on this mod

[willow swallow]

I have no time but I really wanna start a second playthrough. 😭

[wispy sinew]

Tell boss you got covid 😆

[willow swallow]

Oh forgot y'all have language rules my bad.

I pulled the trigger cuz it's on sale

[wispy sinew]

On steam?

[willow swallow]

yeah, I got it on epic ages ago in EA when they had the coupon situation on the original price.

So I got the game for like $5 on release.

[wispy sinew]

Ig I'm guna start fresh now too 😆

[willow swallow]

LOL

I think ima just leave it on my TV and just play it little by little.

Except for maybe the next couple hours 👀

[wispy sinew]

I saw some mods and there insane. I originally bought on ps5 but now pc

[willow swallow]

Mods 👀

[wispy sinew]

Yea man jazz showed me

@stone rune whats that YouTube link again for the mod with zues you showed few days ago?

[willow swallow]

Should I try hell mode or is it insane?

[wispy sinew]

I never did it personally but sure an record it

[willow swallow]

Ima hold off I think

[wispy sinew]

I will test how insane it is even tho I didn't upgrade weapons really

[stone rune]

?

[whole comet]

if u plan to do hell mode in future, i recommend u might as well start off hell mode

[wispy sinew]

U sent me link to your video and it had zues mod where he threw it unless that was someone else

[stone rune]

wdym threw

[willow swallow]

Based on what I read seemed like I should freshen up on a normal playthrough.

[stone rune]

hell mode not a big deal

it forces on a few pact conditions

[whole comet]

hell mode, u got locked with 5 heat, and lol

[wispy sinew]

Idk how to explain more than that

[stone rune]

what aspect

[whole comet]

lol wouldn't that screw up all speedrun WR runners?

[willow swallow]

What's the lol 👀

[whole comet]

CP1 and JS1 got forced

[wispy sinew]

Shield or fist

[stone rune]

i assume most people arent speedrunning

[grim fern]

What are the odds of seeing a god in your pool before your pool is full? Say you've accepted one god. Is every god still 1/8 to be shown or is the god already in your pool more likely? I don't think I see people try to fill their pool faster to bring the odds up to 1/4, so the 1/8 scenario doesn't seem right.

[somber sun]

i genuinely believe

dusa just does not want to do the bedroom scene

i finished her romance stuff like 50 escape attempts prior

what am i missing

[willow swallow]

I thought she didn't have one?

[grand lotus]

i think there is one but it is not the same as meg or than

[stone rune]

it’s 1/8

[willow swallow]

My thumb is starting to hurt xD

[somber sun]

she has one, you need it to complete aphrodite

i got it

we are okay

[whole comet]

u could get Dusa to your bedroom to talk about romance

[wispy sinew]

What is one of the easier heat 8? I chose em3 ans 2 of the hit first b4 health ones

[stone rune]

dont do damage control

its very difficult

id put

hard labor 2 extreme measures 2 tight deadline 2

[wispy sinew]

Ok how is it difficult? And I have to do em3 anyway for posiden so what else would I put

[stone rune]

so basically

acorn is the best defensive keepsake in the game right

[wispy sinew]

Yea

[stone rune]

damage control gives acorn to every enemy

it's just really hard to keep up when there are a lot of enemies

[wispy sinew]

Yea 2 hits though am I missing something?

[stone rune]

or even when there are just a few on slower hitting aspects

[stone rune]

those 2 hits are impactufl

it takes 3x the hits to kill each numbskull

[wispy sinew]

I git you I do wana have em3 on to get rid of quest so what else to add then in ur opinion

[stone rune]

you have a lot of options

id probably do either middle management or underworld customs

[wispy sinew]

Ok thanks I see alot of options but idk the easiest lol I will go wirh those for the first curtain

[stone rune]

there is a progression guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

it's meant for progressing up to 32 heat

but it still is pretty good

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/KWc-jjxIVw2WtP3qq18b10VS9n2Osrmb1vpnUgoU4u0/https/i.imgur.com/UQgfOtx.png?width=1440&height=665

[wispy sinew]

Thanks

[grim fern]

How hard is it gonna be to relearn Hades on KBM if I ever feel like being able to aim things?

[stone rune]

you can do fine on either

play what you're more comfortable with

[wispy sinew]

Hades on kbm I imagine is so much easier than controller

[stone rune]

nah

controller has large advantage on hera

and luci is easier on kbm

otherwise very equal

[grim fern]

Movement feels a little awkward on KBM. Less omnidirectional and all that.

[wispy sinew]

Are you a kbm or controller player? To me its much more fluid to use kbm than a controller

[grim fern]

This is the only game I've played on a controller. PC gamer since 1994ish.

[wispy sinew]

See me I got the game on ps5 for free ima buy on pc an I will figure out later tomorrow but it just seems I will have an easier time on kbm. Controlling and combos. Let me know how your transition goes rho

Tho*

Also being able to do everything with my thumb I think will make easier

[grim fern]

I'm fine with using wasd for movement in an FPS game. And fine with mouse movement in an isomertric game (Diablo, etc). But wasd in an isometric game doesn't come naturally. I wonder what the controller/KBM split is among players who have access to both.

[latent moon]

honestly shouldn't take that long to adjust

you still have game fundamentals

like timing dashes and enemy lineups

when i did 1 game on switch after like 450 hours of kbm it wasn't that big of an adjustment for me

[grim fern]

Thanks, but you give me too much credit. I rebound reload to try and make Hestia easier and it melted my brain.

[stone rune]

not rlly

unless ur playing without rocket

[wispy sinew]

I beat heat 8. Probably not huge deal but it was kool

Also I think I discover one of the worse boons 😆

[stone rune]

which?

[wispy sinew]

Smoldering air I think that was the name

[stone rune]

actually that one is very good

it goes best with zeus and dionysus call

try it with zeus

[wispy sinew]

I misread it I didn't know the most you could get was 25% I thought it filled up to 25%

[stone rune]

it can carry a run on its own

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1133656418818469938/IMG_1541.jpg?width=935&height=701

[wispy sinew]

@brisk trail when I read it I thought it said it would charge to 25% then I get rest by fighting to 100%. I was on 2nd bar of hades and was like how is this not full yet

[stone rune]

this run was basically carried by smair

[wispy sinew]

I had Artemis

[stone rune]

oh yeah

its gonna be bad with artemis

[wispy sinew]

I chose artemis for my super this time Ig I can see how it be good with zues dionysus

[stone rune]

try it

on a heavy hit aspect

aphrodite attack zeus call

additionally, you get 0.4 seconds of invincibility when u use call

so smoldering air gives u that a lot

[wispy sinew]

I will try next time. I also didn't see hades new move what is it?

[stone rune]

did u use extreme measure 4?

[wispy sinew]

3

[stone rune]

he only gets extra on em4

[wispy sinew]

Oh ok

[stone rune]

em3 affects heroes

[wispy sinew]

Lernie had me playing completely different ngl

I dash atk alot and it showed me how much more careful I gotta be

[stone rune]

yea u also gotta pay more attention to the main head slams

[wispy sinew]

Yea he slammed me few times cuz they were grouped

[stone rune]

even i die to her sometimes

never stops

[wispy sinew]

I do like em though especially at start with sisters was cool they both came in

[stone rune]

??

speed or heat

heat big head if its slammer small heads if pink

speed small heads

[wispy sinew]

What heat do you speed run at?

[stone rune]

well

standard heat is 9

extreme measures 2 forced overtime 2

but i also have speedrun 32 40 and 50

i have 2nd place in 32 and 1st place in 40

[wispy sinew]

Did you ever go higher than 50 an speed run?

[stone rune]

nah

i only have 1 clear above 50 heat

it was 54

[wispy sinew]

Ok what's max with mods? Infinite?

[stone rune]

yeah i guess

[wispy sinew]

Ok send me link to your 40 heat?

[stone rune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H26ATN2SP20

[jagged hamlet]

If I hit 3 min before I even hit the last shop in Tartarus, should I just Give Up and try to change RNG?

[stone rune]

i mean

sure

it is pretty bad pace

theyre unmodded

playing seeded i believe

for hammer

[jagged hamlet]

Because I can't seem to get a grip on Hera. Tartarus is just so, so, so slow esp when I get hordes of numbskulls or witches

My latest attempt with a common crush shot start took me 3:41 ugggh

[latent moon]

rarity doesn't matter on hera

hera just kinda hard

are you kbm?

[stone rune]

no

[jagged hamlet]

I know the rarity doesn't matter. Just mentioning it for detail. Controller

[stone rune]

i can get u a hera vod of mine

im not too good at hera

so it should be even there

[latent moon]

focusing on grouping and learning break points will help

also min charging instead of power shotting

[wispy sinew]

@stone rune that spread sheet you sent me to get heat 16 I put everything in and it's 18 heat how do I drop it 2?

[jagged hamlet]

I'd like to see your VOD, jazz

[stone rune]

https://youtu.be/dsttd_Y5Dfw?t=71

[stone rune]

what do you have on your pact right now

its on controller which im very unfamiliar with

[wispy sinew]

Em3,benifet package,middle management,underworld customs,and tight deadline 2

[stone rune]

bp1 or 2

[wispy sinew]

2

[stone rune]

yeah thats it

it should be 1

and then put hard labor 1

[wispy sinew]

Ok thanks

[stone rune]

@jagged hamlet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS9A2Yhpigk heres a slow one that i did with the controller inputs showing

[wispy sinew]

Yea this heat is not happening 😅

[stone rune]

u can do it

is there something in particular you're struggling with?

[wispy sinew]

Those bigger guys with clubs absorb my dmg like I'm poking them

[stone rune]

armored thugs are the highest hp enemy in tartarus but that might also be a build issue

what build are you doing

[jagged hamlet]

Oh my word Snow Burst is amaaaazing on Hera

Go, Majin! Gooo!

[stone rune]

yeah its the primary thing to get after crush shot

[wispy sinew]

I got zues shield and have his atk

[latent moon]

that'd do it

[stone rune]

thats probably the issue

you want the special instead

[wispy sinew]

Oh ok I'm at 535 and did 3 rooms ima wipe

[jagged hamlet]

Zeus shield special with a side of Zeus is an electric circular saw

[wispy sinew]

The 7 min timer isn't issue cuz I beat the game under 28 its that dmg lol

But thanks for letting me know I always took his atk

[jagged hamlet]

Hermes, why are you literally not giving me Greater Recall like 20 rerolls in

[wispy sinew]

For Arthur what is the thing on the ground? Is it dmg increase while in it?

[jagged hamlet]

It protects you and slows down enemies and projectiles

[wispy sinew]

Ok thanks best build for that aspect?

[jagged hamlet]

Aphrodite attack, then whatever, really

[wispy sinew]

Ok thanks

[stone rune]

are u on hera

[jagged hamlet]

Yes 😦

[stone rune]

don’t go for gr

u want either rd or quick reload

[latent moon]

tbf greater recall is probably on 2nd hermes

and quick reload is on first already

[jagged hamlet]

I do love my Quick Reload. Doesn't QR lead into GR nicely though?

[stone rune]

not worth rolling for

[latent moon]

i mean if there's nothing else to roll for

[stone rune]

wells

[latent moon]

oh yeah

i forgot about that lmao

[stone rune]

there will always be wells to roll

[latent moon]

yeah rolling for greater recall not worth because wells give more damage

[jagged hamlet]

Oh my word I just rerolled into triple explosive shot

[latent moon]

maybe roll once if you have more than 3 rerolls but that's about it

[stone rune]

u never roll second hermes off qr

[latent moon]

okay but what if hyper sprint into styx rd

[stone rune]

i don’t double roll midbiome

i roll midbiome once

first ely well i see once

second ely well i see if it exists

if not then styx midbiome

with 3 rolls

[latent moon]

i mean i sometimes dont get any ely wells lmao

but yeah

[stone rune]

there’s usually 1

u can get pwned tho

[latent moon]

i haven't played anyheat in a while tbf

[jagged hamlet]

I guess it'll be smarter to save rolls for wells as you two have said. That said GR is good QoL, right?

jazz, you're really good at hera!

[latent moon]

yeah for sure

it's like

not something you go out of your way for to find (1% chance to get it) but it's not like you'll skip over it

unless it's first hermes i guess since you'd rather have rd

[wispy sinew]

Beat heat 16 was so nervous I couldn't beat hades in time then he's like nah we not guna fight 😅

[jagged hamlet]

Thanks, Banana! And graaats, Majin!

[wispy sinew]

Thanks man

[latent moon]

10th win moment

[past summit]

you can re roll hammers?

[latent moon]

nope

"rerolled" probably meant like

anvil

[past summit]

damn, i got really excited

[grim fern]

Coming back to this game after a few years has been fun because I've gotten to ask myself "I wonder if cluster bomb + rocket bomb are good together?" twice now. And (re)discover the answer twice.

[latent moon]

lmfao based

[wispy sinew]

@brisk trail 32 is next just wana max stuff out first

Any easy ways to get ambrosia post games sides quest an runs?

[latent moon]

well that's the only way to get ambrosia lmao

fated prophecies and bounties lmao

[wispy sinew]

Dang was hoping could get other ways now

[latent moon]

well after credits the game doesn't exactly change lmao

[jagged hamlet]

And fishing!

[latent moon]

oh yeah fishing

fishing and trading up i suppose for ambrosia

[wispy sinew]

Yea I read it's rare getting like that though right?

[latent moon]

but you still have to do runs for all that

well you just have to hope for a fish to appear in greece

idk the rate for that

and then like a 50/50 on a not perfect catch to get it

[jagged hamlet]

Or 50/50 on a perfect catch. 20% Greece rate, I think

[wispy sinew]

Ok I could have swore someone told me there be easier way after credits 😅

[latent moon]

oh yeah 50/50 on perfect catch too

for some reason i thought it was between titan blood and diamond lmao

[latent moon]

i guess it just opens up more fated prophecies

but like fundamentally nothing really changes about runs or grinding resources

[wispy sinew]

Ok thanks

[jagged hamlet]

Does going well over 60 FPS affect anything?

Besides maybe Megagorgon

[tepid pulsar]

Hey guys, I was interested in making a "ALL BOSS THEMES COMPILATION" for youtube but uh... It's been difficult trying to find them

Is it like, the bossfight themes are just half of some of them?

Also I remember the Furies one being a bop but I cant find it in the one called Scourge of the Furies

[sour fog]

the fury bossfight has several themes

I imagine Out of Tartarus is the one you're looking for (the second half) as that's one of the top ones

painful way is another one, they're basically just second halves of the tartarus biome soundtrack

[halcyon steeple]

the recent #announcements artwork is really good, where do i get the High Resolution one?

[barren cedar]

I BEAT HEAT 16 🔥 🔥 (I cant screenshot )

beat it /w arthur as a weapon with artemis/hermes build

[brisk trail]

WP!

[harsh raft]

Where's Kratos? I thought he would be in the underworld by now

[dire tendon]

he got lost in Minnesota

[harsh raft]

Minnesota? What is that place? Is it like the mystical lands of Wyoming?

[stiff obsidian]

the bp perk which drops lava pools makes my frames drop

significantly

[jagged hamlet]

Are you on PC, False? I wonder if changing between DX and Vulkan would help

[jagged hamlet]

Cheese. Curds. 👀

[harsh raft]

Kratos destroys Hades again for... cheese

[jagged hamlet]

Then gets destroyed in turn by the curds: they're fattening

[jagged hamlet]

Turns out Vulkan is run by...the Khronos group 💀

[silver nimbus]

I have chiron bow with ares special

dire misfortune epic or impending doom rare

i don't know how dire misfortune exactly works

[mint coral]

If an enemy has doom on it (as in the sword on top of it) any other doom you apply to that enemy will add the dmg said by dire misfortune

[latent moon]

Dire misfortune will probably give you more damage tbh

[mint coral]

So for example on chiron the first arrow will inflict doom then the rest adds dmg to doom

[silver nimbus]

i understand that i meant the damage calcs

i chose dire misfortune and then got impending doom later

[mint coral]

That works lmao

But as banana said yeah misfortune prob adds more dmg

[silver nimbus]

I use fists most of the time I'm doing a ME run where i believe if you have merciful end and divine dash it is better to go for impending doom so I was questioning myself, glad I made the right choice

[charred veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423540667726168064/1153415909109682288/Screenshot_2023-09-18_214230.png No matter what I do, I can't reach the food that spawned from a Poseidon boon 🥲

[wispy sinew]

Finally guns attempt bow again best build for hera?

[stone rune]

basically just

get crush shot

pom it a lot

thats it

you can do other stuff

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit

[wispy sinew]

Ok and have the mirror perk with 3 cast?

[stone rune]

yep

its very simple at its core

[wispy sinew]

Ok and is crush shot a hammer or Artemis

[stone rune]

aphrodite

cast

the one with rlly short range

hera has really good synergy with it

[wispy sinew]

Ok

[stone rune]

because it gives it range

and crush shot has very high base damage

with good pom scaling

and then

on hera

dont underestimate the power of the hourglass keepsake

[wispy sinew]

Thanks and do dash atk only basically? An don't worry about special?

[stone rune]

yea

best hammer is flurry shot which is strong but hard to aim

otherwise triple shot, twin shot, perfect shot, point blank, chain all fine

[wispy sinew]

Ok kool

[stone rune]

and then

for secondary things

do you prefer fiery presence or shadow presence on the mirror

[wispy sinew]

Which one is orange?

[stone rune]

fiery

[wispy sinew]

That one

[stone rune]

wait

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146523196791726131/1153424233729368205/image.png

idk what color is what

[wispy sinew]

I think shadow is purple

[stone rune]

ok

so

well u can check in game

with shadow presence, you can get divine dash or divien strike from athena and get their duo parting shot

on fiery presence you can just go for stuff like snow burst and mirage shot

[wispy sinew]

Which would you say is better first group or second

[stone rune]

fiery presence is stronger

but shadow presence can also be fun

[wispy sinew]

I will try put both and see what I like better so I got crush shot already now aim for snow burst and mirage shot anything else

[stone rune]

hermes

quick reload is very nice

hyper sprint + rush delivery is also nice

[wispy sinew]

I figured that one is m7st for all builds

[stone rune]

and then just take the hourglass into elysium

and check every well you see

if u have any rolls left, roll the wells

because that extra duration on a braid of atlas or prometheus stone is huge

[wispy sinew]

So the well get one or both those

[stone rune]

yeah wells have a lot of useful itmes

stygian shards as well

the nails for extra armor damage