for hestia, is all i do just spam reload
#h1-discussion
drowsy linden
rustic thicket
void vigil
the modding server is pinned in #self-promotion
latent moon
for hestia, is all i do just spam reload
More or less
Special every 2 reloads or something idk
Make sure to cancel the reload animation to keep mobility
drowsy linden
what about if i have heroic lightning strike
latent moon
Why do you have lightning strike on hestia
gray apex
Just pretend you're playing Zag rail at this point
latent moon
Yeah lmao
latent moon
i cant ignore big number
It's literally a small number
drowsy linden
so far for bosses im spamming reload, for enemies im using the full clip
latent moon
I do love 17 bonus damage instead of 150
gray apex
You could throw a reload here and there but when you get to bosses your damage will not be from the Hestia empowered shot
It falls off without a solid atk boon or shackle
drowsy linden
i give up, its shield time(still no beo)
stiff obsidian
does shared suffering count as a status effect
wary iron
I just got 2 legendarys in one run
Is that rare?
unique cosmos
This game makes me cry its so hard
spare tartan
Is that rare?
I think so idk
Ive cleared the game 27 times and i rarely even get a legendary
jagged hamlet
Which legendary boons did you get?
spare tartan
But maybe im just unlucky
spare tartan
Which legendary boons did you get?
Athena and the alcohol guy
wary iron
I’ve had a run with two legendarys today too
unique cosmos
How rare is cursed strike? I got it once and never again.
That made me get so far 😭
wary iron
Hermes and Artemis, I wasn’t aiming for a cast build, but it was awesome nevertheless
stone rune
How rare is cursed strike? I got it once and never again.
what is cursed strike
there is no cursed strike
mint coral
How rare is cursed strike? I got it once and never again.
As rare as any other hammer
mint coral
there is no cursed strike
Slash
drowsy linden
How rare is cursed strike? I got it once and never again.
all hammers have the same chances, though some will prevent others from existing
stone rune
do you mean cursed slash
unique cosmos
do you mean cursed slash
Yes 🥲
drowsy linden
Is that rare?
legendaries and duos only appear when you fulfill certain requirements(available in the boon list in the codex)
wary iron
Thank you
drowsy linden
though they are still pretty rare, ive never gotten art's despite meeting the requirements so many times
spare tartan
Should i fully max out the mirror or get the titles
jagged hamlet
Mirror
gray apex
does shared suffering count as a status effect
No
gray apex
How much darkness to max it
It’s like 35k or something
spare tartan
It’s like 35k or something
Ive only got 12k all together
gray apex
Ive only got 12k all together
Got some grinding to do
drowsy linden
you get a good amount of darkness from bounties
jagged hamlet
Oh my goodness. Chiron with and without Concentrated Volley are a world apart
stone rune
yea
without conc volley you tickle your foes
with conc volley you lightly touch them
drowsy linden
rama with relentless does damage
without it, its only there for damage control
mint coral
rama with relentless does damage
without it, its only there for damage control
Or you know, spreading shared suffering 
Also isn't rama special base dmg like 5
short glen
How do I get good at the video game?
That is way too general of a question I think
Why are you in the hades rooms if you don't like Hades?
mint coral
Don't say it don't say it
jagged hamlet
You know what's better than Hades? Hades 2!
drowsy linden
wtf hades phase change wave was invisible
well that just ended my 32 heat run..
well then play some more, and then up the pact to 32
raw herald
void vigil
please keep discussions civil, with no personal attacks or insults
latent moon
How do I get good at the video game?
mostly just more practice
watching top players play and trying to understand their decision making
try and predict what they're going to pick when looking at options
if you predict wrong, try and think of why they made that decision instead of what you thought was the right choice
if you can't think of any good reason, you can ping them and ask questions in speedcord generally
tbf they're not the greatest but i dont think they're that bad. elysium is a pretty hard dps check considering how tanky the enemies are compared to asphodel. styx is kinda a pain but not that bad imo
also considering styx can be deleted with like 2 boons lmao
drowsy linden
i hate the chariots
a fast chariot spawned next to me at the start of an erebus gate with fo1
styx is fine until i get hit by a single sawblade and lose 100 health
raw herald
Ahhh heightened security
jagged hamlet
No wonder Alecto keeps calling us "trash god" 😢
wispy sinew
Should I get aspect of lucifer, Arthur, or beowulf first?
stone rune
beowulf
jagged hamlet
Beowulf is by far the strongest of those 3
stone rune
its the best aspect in the game
wispy sinew
Ok what exactly does it do? I can't unlock it just yet
mint coral
Hera but chunky
stone rune
you can load casts and they all pop out when you do a bull rush
mint coral
And buggy
wispy sinew
So it's main thing is bull rush? Now what if I'm the kinda player that has only used it like twice? Should I get it and use bull rush more or try something else?
stone rune
so like
it's a very different aspect from a lot of others
there's a decent chance you just don't like using it
because the attacks and such are very slow so you have to plan your way through a room with it
and you also have to be precise with managing your bloodstones
but your general rotation is a dash strike -> bull rush
loading however many stones you need to for the enemy you're killing
jagged hamlet
I just finished my fastest Beowulf run, and I'm finding it a bit advanced
wispy sinew
Ok I might have to look at clip an see it cuz I mainly use dash attacks and it's so satisfying,but with sheild I throw it to alot when using chaos
wispy sinew
I just finished my fastest Beowulf run, and I'm finding it a bit advanced
Can I see a clip?
jagged hamlet
Eris and Hestia are so, so, so much easier
jagged hamlet
I didn't record, sorry!
wispy sinew
@stone rune ok I will look
wispy sinew
I didn't record, sorry!
No problem
stone rune
all the videos that say 5(number)(number) are beo runs
wispy sinew
@stone rune ok I might like it watching now and instantly was like ohhh also is this the music you jam ro while playing or just put on video?
wispy sinew
So for this aspect would I want the mirror perk with adding crystals?
stone rune
yea
i can get you some guides
hold on
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H7EOP28oyu6t8KrBEfnrN-dQc6H_ssvAyYz3C1O2JOI/edit#heading=h.h953vyht4pua this is a speedrun guide but its generally applicable as well other than using high confidence
you should use thick skin
but it describes the build and your goals etc
wispy sinew
Ok thanks man
stone rune
it adds atmosphere
mint coral
The vibes makes runs better
wispy sinew
The vibes makes runs better
Fr listening to his music choice while playing ima start jamming while play
wispy sinew
Thanks man
latent moon
it still takes audio from outside sources
unless there's a way to only get the audio from hades
there might be but i haven't tried hard enough to figure it out
you can make it so it always records hades even when you alt tab
but audio is global
jagged hamlet
Hades aspect
drowsy linden
stubborn roots+onhit effects only
it could be worse
i couldve suggested frozen touch+vengeful mood 61 heat
wispy sinew
So there's way to get death defiance back is there a way to get mate back I accidentally activated it
jagged hamlet
Do you mean companion? You can buy more uses at Charon's Wells
wispy sinew
Yea that's what I meant thanks
short glen
god no matter how much I hit the dash button zag never dashes away from Hade's stupid spin attack he just stands there doing the inputs I did multiple seconds ago instead of listening and it's only with this attack for some ungodly reason
also if I could NOT have mandatory artemis for 12 runs in a row that would be amazing.
jagged hamlet
Artemis is amazing and socially awkward though!
short glen
Yeah but I don't want to just only build crit builds
mint coral
Dashing through the spin is easier btw
short glen
that would still require zag to actually dash at all instead of ceasing all movement
https://imgur.com/a/GV2EsW7 also look who's here again
jagged hamlet
https://imgur.com/a/GV2EsW7 also look who's here again
She's like "Hey, it's me"
latent moon
artemis is good tho
wispy sinew
Oh God I'm using the gun chose that burst fire I hate it but managed to beat run
vale moss
spread fire?
stone rune
delta chamber probably
wispy sinew
Yes
stone rune
oh
yeah spread fire is pretty bad if you're not on zag aspect
it just doesnt have enough ammo
vale moss
even with maxed zagspect it takes some getting used to
wispy sinew
I will double check but I started with 18 Idr the aspect and it is the shirt range believe it is the spread tho
vale moss
yeah that's aspect of zagreus
stone rune
then it might have been a build thing
vale moss
it's the best hammer (?) for it but you need artemis' attack and it is definitely a weird feeling using it for the first few times
wispy sinew
My favorite hammer is the triple bomb or the one that does insane damage but can hurt you idk if there good tho
stone rune
yeah those are good
wispy sinew
But with this run I had like crap choices 😆
Tempest strike,piercing fire,frost flourish,and spread fire
mint coral
Piercing and spread work?
stone rune
yeah tempest strike is gonna be bad
piercing is like best 2nd hammer for spread fire
it makes shield guys and theseus so much easier
mint coral
Ik it should but my brain doesn't like it
wispy sinew
I was trying to get zues atk and it wasn't happening at all only his crystal and summon sadly
Other than those I only got posiden or stuff like pom or gems
short glen
I swear I used to be able to clear runs but now I lose every single time
wispy sinew
Doing nyx quest about darkness but I don't see the contract. What do I do?
spare tartan
Whats the easiest 8 heat to do
Like the ones that have the least impact
My current highest heat is 4 but im trying to get that 1st trophy thing
stone rune
extreme measures 2 benefits package 1 underworld customs 1 tight deadline 1
whole comet
extreme measures 2 benefits package 1 underworld customs 1 tight deadline 1
oh, underworld custom? wouldn't it better to do convience fee 2 than giving up 3 boons in a run?
whole comet
but depends on the run, u could lose nice boons in terms of impact
stone rune
so long as you keep uc in mind its fine
latent moon
More often than not UC is free
Not often do you get cucked by it as long as you remember it exists
Just keep some rerolls as backup
whole comet
hey, i wanna ask about Asterius EM3
if FO2 is on, his bladestorm will end faster, right?
spare tartan
so long as you keep uc in mind its fine
Whats the one that makes traps do extra damage
Thats free as hell
mint coral
HS free until a pot one shots you
spare tartan
Why not
stone rune
🗿
mint coral
spare tartan
Idk its like the easiest one for me
stone rune
spare tartan
It was the one i used to get a 1 heat clear on all weapons
mint coral
End od the day is also just one heat
spare tartan
Yea
mint coral
Which for the possible danger it adds is 
latent moon
Just dont hit them
great philosophy until you get one shot by a pot for 150 damage
if you want 1 heat then take hard labor 1 lmao
consistency is better than rng
hl1 also follows the philosophy of just dont get hit
mint coral
I think the most shameful part of HS is not magma nor pots
Is eating the slow 100 dmg arrows in ely
latent moon
i lost a 40 or 50 run to one lmao
it was a than encounter
and i dashed into one before than spawned so i lost my SD
and then died to the last splitter in the room
spare tartan
great philosophy until you get one shot by a pot for 150 damage
Since when do pots do damage
Ive never taken damage from a pot
mint coral
Normally do 30 dmg and stun (which you won't notice wih HS cuz its probably just killing you)
latent moon
the stun animation is gone because you just popped your SD/DD lmao
mint coral
Speaking of pots
Does normal dad also stack 2 pots in the same place sometimes or is that just an em4 thing
latent moon
or you're just dead
latent moon
Speaking of pots
Does normal dad also stack 2 pots in the same place sometimes o...
might just be em4 thing
because like normal dad fight is pretty standard isn't it, just spawn pots in x locations or something?
em4 is more random
latent moon
and then you make a mistake breaking them
or dad breaks one that you weren't expecting and you get shafted
also like
you aren't immune to mistakes lmao
mint coral
And this is more of a controller moment but sometimes auto aim just
latent moon
mistakes happen and they're fine and all, they're expected to happen
mint coral
really wants to destroy a pot
latent moon
the issue is the fact that for 1 heat you get punished super heavily and die instantlyu
drowsy linden
my 32 heat run got annihilated by a singular saw in styx, can confirm hs is hell
latent moon
sounds about right
mistakes will be punished, but getting 1 shot for 1 heat is a lot
drowsy linden
my 32 heat run got annihilated by a singular saw in styx, can confirm hs is hell
and also the fact that hades' phase change blast was for some reason invisible, which got me hit, and then the positioning+stun from it pushed me into his next spin attack
wispy sinew
Which is better high voltage or storm lightning?
mint coral
I don't know if you are kaughing at the fact that dad can do that or how I lost the Dd
mint coral
Which is better high voltage or storm lightning?
Trash vs garbage
wispy sinew
It's that billowing strength I just never really used that
mint coral
If jolted opened splitting you would see so many eris runs with it
spare tartan
8 heat cleared
Lets go
28 minutes
A better time then my base 0 heat clear with the gun
jagged hamlet
What are my best bets for getting sub-15 with Hades spear, Zag spear, Zeus shield, and Chaos shield? I'm thinking Merciful End for the latter two
stone rune
What are my best bets for getting sub-15 with Hades spear, Zag spear, Zeus shiel...
hades and zeus are ME
zagspear you can do ME or fds
chaos is just like gl
good play and cshot will get u the sub15 ofc
but the aspect is still super garbo
latent moon
unironically ME for all of them
jagged hamlet
Thanks! What is FDS?
latent moon
flat damage soup
stone rune
ME don’t work too well on chaos
latent moon
get epic rd and a lot of flat damage
latent moon
ME don’t work too well on chaos
i mean it'll work for sub15
stone rune
well literally anything works for sub15
jagged hamlet
Not at my skill level! For reference, my absolute best time (with Eris) is a hair below 12 min, and my closest times with other strong weapons is just over 12 min
stone rune
if u get more practiced it’ll come quickly
it doesn’t take long to be able to sub10 everything
check out some guides
join speedcord
the issue with those aspects is none of them are particularly good for speed
jagged hamlet
I'm sitting at over 200 hours LOL. Maybe I'll have to go for slightly more optimal pacts at some point if I can't break 15 with the slower stuff
stone rune
em2 fo2
jagged hamlet
Am EM3 FO1 atm
stone rune
I'm sitting at over 200 hours LOL. Maybe I'll have to go for slightly more optim...
time spent playing casually has very little bearing on speedrun skill
em3 is a lot of timeloss on trashspects
jagged hamlet
Aw
stone rune
it’s even big timeloss on good ones
jagged hamlet
That's really good to know. Thanks!
stone rune
fo1 is fine tho
if u die on fo2
i recommend joining speedcord tho
pinned in #self-promotion
and check out
latent moon
Aw
i mean they straight up get more hp lmao
which is only part of the problem with speedrunning on em3
theseus running around doesnt help and bull spin makes it hard to actually attack, esp on melee aspects
spare tartan
If i win on 8 heat can i go down to 7 heat and get the bounties again
grim fern
You get the bounties for each heat only once. You get bounties for the lowest heat you haven't cleared even if you exceed the heat gauge.
spare tartan
So i can get them again?
grim fern
So if you haven't done any runs and you choose heat 5, you'll get the heat 1 bounties if you clear. On your next run the heat 1 bounties will already have been claimed but any heat of 2+ will get you new bounties.
spare tartan
Oh alr
I aint really understand the first thing u said
But that clears it up
Thanks
wispy sinew
Is true ending beating game 10 times or is it 10 times with full relationships?
gray apex
Is true ending beating game 10 times or is it 10 times with full relationships?
It’s just 10 times
wispy sinew
It’s just 10 times
So the relationship is just for 100%?
wispy sinew
Ok thanks man
gray apex
Np
fair basalt
who is beowulf
gray apex
me
rose roost
cool shield
regal gyro
if I have stubborn defiance and I get extra defiances which will get consumed first when I die?
alright ty
wouldn't want to reach last area only to realize tooth gets consumed first
mint coral
Tooth is always consumed last
regal gyro
that's interesting cuz with regular dd you can still get her extra onces even if u never died no?
regal gyro
oh so I can gets extra ones if I use my sd before I get the boon
regal gyro
I'm not good enough to not get hit and playing with higher heat I'm finally starting to use sd lel
regal gyro
I had to no idea it could stack like that :x
rich marsh
stiff obsidian
whats the window for quick recovery
stiff obsidian
thats nice
stiff obsidian
is it better to keep jolted or keep storm lightning hoping for splitting
stone rune
uc?
stiff obsidian
yea
stone rune
sell storm lightning
stiff obsidian
k
stiff obsidian
rare too so yea
does jolted do more than splitting straight up
thats actually crazy
vale moss
just pray for good room rng it’s easier than praying for boon rng
stone rune
dont do that
vale moss
^
normal hazel
what aspect should I choose for shield as a beginner?
normal hazel
zeus or beowulf
how do I unlock beowulf?
normal hazel
oh u dont have it
nah I just started like 2 days ago
stone rune
yea just do zeus
dont need any blood
use thunder signet at the start of the run
take thunder flourish
gg
normal hazel
Question: how many runs did it take you to beat the game?
stone rune
it takes most people between like
20
and 100
i did 23
but it doesnt have a bearing on your skill
one of the best players in the game took 50
normal hazel
but it doesnt have a bearing on your skill
Ik I was just curios
I've done 25 and reached hades once. Theseus has been tough for me personally
upper wolf
Yeah Theseus is a hard fight
I think I took 30 tries to get a single win ?
So yeah, it takes a while ofc
stone rune
how much improvement do you think it would be from using no aspects?
unaspected shield is pretty bad
because thats basically aspect of chaos
which is bad
normal hazel
I thought people liked aspect of chaos?
normal hazel
what's wrong with aspect of chaos
jagged hamlet
Zeus aspect is amazing for getting the first few clears. So safe. So damaging (with the right boon on Special)
stone rune
what's wrong with aspect of chaos
the attack is weak and the special is really bad
jagged hamlet
Special hits like meh meh meh meh meh
raw herald
Chaos was much better in early access so people preached it
People must have forgot about the nerf
stone rune
well zeus is just like good
normal hazel
what's the most effective way to use zeus special?
stone rune
what's the most effective way to use zeus special?
you figure it out as u play
there are different methods
popular new player strategy is to like run around and have it follow you
but like
genreally you wanna just play close to it
so you can suck it back in
and manipulate it
jagged hamlet
Either yo-yo the Zeus special, have it follow you while enemies are chasing, or throw it such that it overlaps with the boss while boss is stationary
normal hazel
ok I'll try it out
latent moon
what's wrong with aspect of chaos
the gimmick buffs the shield throw special, which should really never be used so the gimmick is pointless
in optimal play anyways
Zeus shield changes the special itself and makes it actually good lmao
stiff obsidian
is pos call movespeed based on dash?
wispy sinew
Do I got to level up relationship with dude in elysium to continue on for Achilles?
mint coral
Yes
normal hazel
what do you guys do for the witches mini boss? it's kinda hard
mint coral
Easy answer, get some sort of deflect
stone rune
what do you guys do for the witches mini boss? it's kinda hard
do you have companion
normal hazel
no
mint coral
They atarted playing recently iirc
wispy sinew
Ok thanks
jagged hamlet
Get their hearts as high as you can, then keep speaking to them
wispy sinew
Oh also ik it's probably unlikely but how can I get to the chick in asphodel? I would constantly get option but now that there reunited it's impossible did like 10 runs nothing
mint coral
Easy answer, get some sort of deflect
Uae deflect boons or depending on your weapon you'll have at least 1 way to dodge/delete projectiles @normal hazel
jagged hamlet
Oh also ik it's probably unlikely but how can I get to the chick in asphodel? I ...
Have better luck, unfortunately
wispy sinew
Have better luck, unfortunately
Yea figured so. Does quitting reset it? That's ehat I been doing still nothing. Just kms maybe?
jagged hamlet
Can also maybe try Give Up. I'm not entirely sure how seeding works though for mid-run rooms
wispy sinew
Ok will try that
gray apex
Give up -> same seed
You have to die one way or another
through a win or just dying normally
mint coral
Give up reverts any progress on that run
wispy sinew
Ok I will just stans in fire
normal hazel
So I know that if you reset a run, the seed is the same. but do the boons change?
raw herald
its pretty complicated
if you play normally, youll start to notice differences after like the first 3 chambers
normal hazel
if you play normally, youll start to notice differences after like the first 3 c...
so the boons that I receive in like the first 2-3 chambers remain the same?
raw herald
the seed affects the first chamber reward and the first door reward
stone rune
and second reward right
raw herald
after that, small stuff you do will change the seed
stone rune
enemies can be different even based on what you do in courtyard though
raw herald
and second reward right
= first door
stone rune
it’s hard enough to stay on route in loyalty card 
normal hazel
so If I want a specific boon I can reset after like 3rd chamber to get new boons?
stone rune
= first door
oh so if it’s a boon the options can change?
raw herald
wdym
stone rune
like if c2 reward is a boon can manip change the boon screen
raw herald
so If I want a specific boon I can reset after like 3rd chamber to get new boons...
yeah but youll have to do stuff like breaking pots and casting after the enemies of a chamber are dead
raw herald
like if c2 reward is a boon can manip change the boon screen
oh idk]
stone rune
you can change c1 enemies too right
gray apex
Before you pick up the boon/hammer yea
crystal star
Im trying trippy flare mirage beo
But im not sure to go for scint or icewine
And im not sure how to fill my cores
Im offered rare dio call and epic dio strike
But should I put arty or strike or another god
And where do I put pos
Im in chamber 2 😭😭
mint coral
And where do I put pos
I normally slap it on special
But also if I play trippy I go full meme
So dio strike and pray for the legendary
stone rune
yea on trippy just take special
stone rune
dont get ice wine
crystal star
Or niether
stone rune
scintillating feast is like fine but doesnt do much
but ice wine gives the cast extra weird travel time
stone rune
attack
crystal star
No blackout?
stone rune
call if you're really really down bad
crystal star
How does blackout work anyways
stone rune
you're already memeing
stone rune
If i wasnt
special
mint coral
If enemy has hangover and standing on the cast aoe > +60% dmg
stiff obsidian
i usually burn my sd and then i realize i already did
latent moon
Mood
latent moon
Starting aspho?
Ngl it's fairly high roll considering you need 2 boons from the same god lol
Even on like anyheat, getting mirage is pretty hard imo
I wouldn't bank on it but I'd still shoot for it tbh
What's the build tho
What aspect is this
I think you'll be fine
Rama lernie can be pretty easy because of shared suffering
Although could be a bullet hell
I'd def aim for Athena dd tho
Only thing you kinda want tbh is flat damage special
Ddash or hunter dash would be neat ofc
drowsy linden
should i dump blood into zeus shield for 32 heat or wait until i get beo(i have 10 heat and 13 abrosia right now)
latent moon
Zeus shield doesn't need blood to be good
Just needs a good build imo
Zeus speed is different tbf
drowsy linden
speed?
latent moon
It's not that fast, but it's consistent
drowsy linden
oh i have td off
latent moon
Oh then you're fine
Literally any build will work without td
You have all the time in the world
drowsy linden
i have no idea, im playing cautious because my current heat record is 10 with zeus shield
im trying out 32 for funnies
latent moon
More time in battle means more room for mistakes but also just do a 1 hour run lol
Doable
drowsy linden
i typically get 30-35 minutes, my pb is 25 with bow
drowsy linden
also, do the skelly statues work the same with bounties, or can i get them all at once
latent moon
You can get them all at once
latent moon
I did 50 on a new file and got all the statues at once
How's the pact looking lmao
Where is the hl and lc
Ah
Do ap1
6 heat from td
Ap1, uh
Zeus shield so dc2 is fine
And then js2 I guess
Yeah just take the hl5 32 heat pact and do ap1 js2 dc2 instead of td3
drowsy linden
3 zeus boons 0 thunder flourish
fleet walrus
i have a question about heat. if my highest heat is like... 10, and i add 12 instead of 11 for another run and i beat hades on 12 heat, could i go back and do 11 heat to get all the stuff after defeating the bosses (e.g. blood and whatnot)?
stone rune
i have a question about heat. if my highest heat is like... 10, and i add 12 ins...
no
you would have to do 12
its like
you just have to be at or above the llevel of your next heat bounty to do the bounty
fleet walrus
so even if i beat hades at 12 heat, it only counts as if it were 11?
so then i'd have to do 12 again, right?
stone rune
yea
fleet walrus
okay thank you!
jagged hamlet
Repulse is downright useless
stone rune
wat
im always hitting 5 enemies in one rama shot
chain is good
take chain lol
repulse is only actively negative
is it aspho
latent moon
It let's you play less for line ups and let's you focus on safety
It's honestly pretty nice
stone rune
is it aspho and do u already have athena
do u have call
ap2?
what ri
idt theres anything rarity is big for
so you could go for call
athena call is pog
because it lets u get off a guararnteed power shot
u started aph right
3 god?
cring
id just take athena and get call
or something
spec ig
deflect arrow not completely useless
shoot it at neuron or something
wat
yea
dont be pushing midboss in heat lol
in
endshop?
what does aph give u
ss?
idk
not a big decision
i guess
drowsy linden
how do i deal with em4 first phase
those minibosses are just too tanky and annoying
bright sentinel
Dodge
If u kill things too slow then it's not worth focusing them prolly?
Just get to the next phase
stone rune
the real answer is to not use em4
jagged hamlet
I'm trying to PB Guan Yu using a Charged Skewer seed, and every time I'm going awful by Styx I get 2-sack, but when I'm doing well, 4+ uggggh
latent moon
those minibosses are just too tanky and annoying
ngl i think the strat is to straight up ignore them and focus down dad lmao
you'd ofc dodge their attacks but you dont try to kill them
unless dad disappeared or something then you might as well
but butterfly ball summon will shaft your acorn and hit stun you so uh
if you get 3 of those you just suffer
or hope you're using something that can delete health bars lmao
whole comet
those minibosses are just too tanky and annoying
if u get boons/hammers that lets u do extra dmg to armor units, it would help
whole comet
the real answer is to not use em4
lol way to tell people not to play XD
if you have companions, also could try use to take down mini-bosses or Hades down quickly
jagged hamlet
I sometimes can't tell whether my game is running at superspeed or the enemies have haste. The former's not a known bug, right?
latent moon
do you have forced overtime or benefit packages on
jagged hamlet
Both. Should've mentioned that. Sorry! I feel like even Zagreus moves at turbo speed during these occurrences
latent moon
if zag is moving faster then that might just be you lmao
or like
ichors/greater haste/hyper sprint
but forced overtime and the speeder perk from beneift packages do make enemies faster
attack, shoot, and move faster
and their projectiles are faster
jagged hamlet
Hm thanks. Enemies definitely do get faster with all their actions. Maybe I'm just getting confused
latent moon
maybe lmao
maybe you're just thinking faster and you're moving faster subconsciously
vale moss
those minibosses are just too tanky and annoying
well don’t use em4 but otherwise just ignore them
it’s usually not worth focusing them down and better to just kill first phase provided your damage is decent enough and you can dodge them
white path
I have flood flare, and the game thinks I have flood shot
How is flood flare listed as a prerequisite for exit wounds anyway?
mint coral
It is?
mint coral
I have flood flare, and the game thinks I have flood shot
Also yeah this happens sometimes
white path
It is?
It is.
I'd post a screenshot, but I'm only allowed to in #h1-victory-boasting and #h1-tech-support
void vigil
you can post links and they will embed 
white path
I don't want to upload to imgur and post that link every time. It's more effort
crystal star
You dont need to do imgur
Just post the image in a dm or something with a bot and copy media link
white path
I have boons from Artemis, Aphrodite, Athena and Poseidon. Styx is offering me something from Ares.
Selling your only boon from them doesn't take them out of the pool :(
sour fog
nope
whole comet
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1923544268
Almost 6 hours to beat from Fresh File to Credits, but deathless 😄
white path
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1923544268
Almost 6 hours to beat from Fresh File t...
I have 3 more weapons to upgrade: lucifer, hera and arthur
Which first?
normal hazel
I finally did it guys! thanks to the ones who told me to use zeus aspect. only took me two runs after using it
thanks for the help @stone rune @jagged hamlet
regal gyro
what is the speedrun mod pack
stone rune
what is the speedrun mod pack
modpack that removes a bunch of rng
mint coral
how do I know what it does exactly
2 sack in Styx/barge-asterius miniboss removed/offers all 4 core boons at first boon/fountain indicator/first hammer your choice/etc
regal gyro
Do I need to start new save or works on existing
mint coral
Works on existing
unique cosmos
so i got this Poseidon dash thing that damages enemies
and its so good it makes the game easy ive never gotten this far
I BEAT THE HYDRA
I ALWAYS LOST TO IT
YAYYYY
NOOOO I DIED
whole comet
2 sack in Styx/barge-asterius miniboss removed/offers all 4 core boons at first ...
lol hammer also is rigged? XD
mint coral
lol hammer also is rigged? XD
Turns out resetting for the 1 good hammer to actually play isn't that fun
whole comet
no one plays for fun with Hades eventually, I suppose
mint coral
Speedruns are fun
mint coral
But at some point the reset points get kinda
stone rune
not mutually exclusive
stone rune
But at some point the reset points get kinda <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
thats when u start sheet grinding
sub6 reset points are so comfty
whole comet
i wonder if Hades 2 might offer some...solutions
stone rune
you can take anything sub155 out of tart
and anything sub320 out of aspho
its so refreshing after grinding for pb
mint coral
I mean with the lack of hammers
whole comet
btw, what's pb?
mint coral
Personal best
stone rune
yeah my pb is 5:13 so the reset points are garbage
although i had a 15x tart exit in that run
208 backhalf
stone rune
its just skips
whole comet
obviously u always pick them
whole comet
i see
stone rune
but like
event rooms arent that different from a fountain or a shop
other than the reward
they are all timesave
whole comet
well, shop is 100%
stone rune
?
whole comet
and fountain, already rigged to be able to see them
stone rune
you arent guaranteed shop
whole comet
i mean, shop is always offered regardless
stone rune
its very easy to miss shop
in aspho
and pretty easy in tart
hard to miss in ely
but in aspho there are very few rooms that are midshop eligible
and a specific 2exit combat room is for some reason not eligible
whole comet
you arent guaranteed shop
i think i see it everytime
whole comet
or do u mean, npc and charon offered same time?
whole comet
huh, for some reason i don't think i see that happens, the mid-shop anyway
stone rune
it happens a lot in aspho
and sometimes in tart
its more likely to happen when you get other skips in aspho
since you cant get shop out of eurydice or chaos
or midboss
in tart it usually happens when you get a string of 1 exit rooms
whole comet
hmmm, i guess maybe 90% i see them and i dun speedrun so i don't notice
but then, i dun usually pick chaos anyway
whole comet
i see
latent moon
missing midshop in asphodel is surprisingly not that uncommon lmao
missing it in tart happens less often but you generally get it but you might miss it sometimes
rarely miss it in ely unless it's like story vs midshop
stone rune
yeah or if you get like fountain into midboss late
latent moon
but yeah for a sub5, it's pretty necessary to actually get skips lmao
stone rune
if u want data
whole comet
well, if there's no shop, i assume u must have done other skips?
stone rune
latent moon
you need skips starting like sub7 sorta
stone rune
well, if there's no shop, i assume u must have done other skips?
for a sub5, yeah probably
latent moon
cracked runs are guaranteed to have skips lmao
latent moon
you mainly need it c33 and c34 lmao
stone rune
but enemy rng is also a huge factor
latent moon
that's more of a "need" but like kinda loose
enemy rng is a bigger factor than rooms sometimes yeah lmao
neurons c33/c34 is more or less a skip lmao
stone rune
is sub12 the rta equivalent of sub5
stone rune
yeah like 2wave of neurons is very different timewise than 3 wave eternally spawning sword men
latent moon
or flamewheels
stone rune
Far fewer people have grinded single run rta
yeah but there are also like 5 total sub12ers
whole comet
yeah like 2wave of neurons is very different timewise than 3 wave eternally spaw...
wonder if modders could rig that too lol
stone rune
well that exists
latent moon
oh they have
stone rune
its called hypermodded
latent moon
it's just like
latent moon
no one does it because hypermodded isn't official and still in the works
raw herald
yeah but there are also like 5 total sub12ers
Yeah so I’d say sub 12 is probably “easier”
latent moon
and yeah all neurons is a completely different game
raw herald
I got sub 5 all neurons with forced 5 sack
stone rune
all ichors + all neurons hmm
latent moon
and like a time this low is more or less standard for all neurons because of how the enemy spawns lmao
raw herald
Yeah
raw herald
This build isn’t even good for hyper standard
latent moon
yeah it doesn thave 18 ichors
raw herald
could pash be the play for neurons
Imo early hammer matters far more
latent moon
what are you doing man
stone rune
oh well yeah no hammer is gonna be so sad
raw herald
With pash you just knock witches out of range of the flare
latent moon
start phalanx flare and use the deflect to kill the splitters lmao
deflected splitter balls one shot them
raw herald
Hera is probably goated for it
stone rune
need early pom right
raw herald
Start mom pom
stone rune
GRUE
oh rip i have to do my 50 heat again
my death was bad
how bad is sub11
idk if i can do that again lol
i got rare lunge c2
stone rune
in early chambers you can get 2+2
latent moon
could be like 2 unarmored chariots or 2 armored blue men or something
and yeah if they're early it's just those 4
kinda like those tart room where it's just 4 armored pots or whatever lmao
or armored brimstones
something like that
mint coral
4 numbskulls piles rooms my beloved
ebon vigil
who shold i give my nactar in hades??
unique cosmos
who shold i give my nactar in hades??
Achillies my boy
ebon vigil
Achillies my boy
i give em one and he disapire
mint coral
who shold i give my nactar in hades??
Give at least 1 to everyone for their keepsakes
After that to whoever you like the most
ebon vigil
Give at least 1 to everyone for their keepsakes
what the name of this??
his keepsakes??
mint coral
After you give the first nectar to anyone they'll give you an item
They are kept in the backyard, cabinet next to the sword
You equip them and they give some benefit like an extra revive (Skelly's keepsake for example)
ebon vigil
Achillies my boy
its the myrmidon bracer??
ebon vigil
what is the best??
mint coral
The keepsakes from the gods
Charon's
Eurydice's (Asphodel npc)
Coin purse (hypnos)
Lucky tooth (skelly)
Old collar (Cerberus) are good too
stone rune
farm upstate
ebon vigil
The keepsakes from the gods
Charon's
Eurydice's (Asphodel npc)
nyx one good
mint coral
Nah
ebon vigil
hypons dispire to were i find him??
mint coral
hypons dispire to were i find him??
If a character isn't in the house just do another run
ebon vigil
thx
mint coral
They have off screen duties after all
but knowing hypnos he's probably just sleeping
placid coral
hiho
there used to be sort of what-to-get with certain weapons from certain gods
is this still a thing?
mint coral
there used to be sort of what-to-get with certain weapons from certain gods
There's Nyaanyaa's newbie guide in #h1-for-new-players pins and another build guide in #h1-builds-and-combat
If that helps
placid coral
There's Nyaanyaa's newbie guide in <#725021347968712724> pins and another build ...
i guess i should start with the new players one
as my furthest was the third boss
mint coral
i guess i should start with the new players one
The 2nd one goes a bit more in depth for some mechanics so still worth checking, just mind spoilers on hidden aspects/some post credit things
placid coral
yeah i was referring to the spoilers
upper wolf
How's the distant memory? I'm a bit surprised to see it never being taken. On paper it sounds useful, if nothing special.
stone rune
its basically useless
upper wolf
How so
mint coral
Distance needed for the proc is too much
upper wolf
Oh
mint coral
And most aspects play like melee
upper wolf
Oh yeah, even if it was good it would still be niche
But yeah, I imagined the distance might have been the issue given it's opaque as hell
mint coral
Sniper shot moment
restive yarrow
what should i spend diamonds on at the contractor first should i prioritise contracts? or should i prioritise the in run stuff
drowsy linden
what should i spend diamonds on at the contractor first should i prioritise cont...
get the contractor deluxe upgrades, id say the key/vanquishers keep first, the others dont matter much
grand lotus
im stuck on 15 heat for the rail, any advice?
mint coral
what's your pact
plush ferry
tight deadline 2, perks 2, middle management 1 (forget the exact name), extreme measures 3 is already 16 heat without affecting enemy stats
grand lotus
i dont remember exactly but i think tight deadline 2, hard labor 2, extreme measures 3, midddle management, jury summons, and convenience fee?
idk if that adds up im too lazy to get my switch lol
plush ferry
the elite perks one is free heat compared to hard labor, jury summons, convenience fee
hard labor 2 is reducing your effective HP a lot
stone rune
em3 bp1 mm uc td2
stone rune
hard labor 2 is reducing your effective HP a lot
not really
grand lotus
ty
cerulean pawn
underworld customs and both ticks of convenience fee is pretty easy to swing I feel
stone rune
it’s pretty free
grand lotus
ive tried it before when i was starting out with the game and i hated it
but ig ive gotten more used to selling boons
plush ferry
it gets better as you get more ranks of persuasion
becomes possible to roll away if you roll 3 core boons or whatever
mint coral
dark foresight also makes a difference
hearty bramble
no hades mention in steam 20th anniv recap 
grizzled current
I never heard of Hades until the only streamer I've ever watched in my life started playing it.
Even then, it sat on my wishlist for close to a year.
jagged hamlet
Cursed Slash is an interesting one. So frail, yet so healthy
plush ferry
how long is the windup time on lucy? it feels really long
jagged hamlet
Is there a way to coerce the game to offer exchanges for core boons?
Lucy beam windup is long enough that there's a hammer just for lowering it
plush ferry
i heard from haelian that it gets more likely as you empty that god's boon pool
jagged hamlet
It feels like half a second of windup
stone rune
no its just a flat 10% chance
(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.
jagged hamlet
Thanks!
plush ferry
call is not a priority slot?
stiff obsidian
is em4 just a different moveset and healthbar or are there speed and dmg changes too
latent moon
speed shouldn't change
damage shouldn't change either from the old stuff? i doubt it would
stiff obsidian
oh thats good
raw path
Does nourished soul affect the regen of stubborn roots?
stone rune
no
raw path
damn
jagged hamlet
Even Merciful End can't make Chaos aspect good 
It's gonna be a real pain to get it below 15 min
latent moon
ngl cshot and aphrodite attack is probably gonna get you more mileage lmao
the issue is getting charged shot tho
jagged hamlet
I actually had charged shot first room in my last seed 😦
I should've complained earlier!
tropic agate
also does chaos boon strike affect dash strikes
upper wolf
Chaos shield could be much better if the boosted special didn't bounce. Or if the bonus shields bounced
rose roost
also does chaos boon strike affect dash strikes
there are 2 diff boons for attk and dash strike
and attk doesn't boost dash-strike iirc
mint coral
also does chaos boon strike affect dash strikes
Atk does buff dash strike
Dash strike ofc doesn't buff atk but it does buff dash special for the few moves that are like that
wispy sinew
Is it true for spear the special is better than attack?
whole comet
hey, so i see some Hades runners said "Low%". what does that mean?
upper wolf
Is it true for spear the special is better than attack?
absolutely not lmao
spear special is only good with Exploding launcher and/or charged skewer. So it's also good with the exploding launcher-lite of the hidden aspect
But that's it
With achilles you use it often but that's just to get the buff, you could special behind you and it'd be just as good
wispy sinew
@upper wolf ok I got you also how can I get it to point I can give ambrosia to hades and thanatos? I got it to that point but can't go more
mint coral
<@223401514788454400> ok I got you also how can I get it to point I can give amb...
Hades: solve the family issues (reach the credits and talk some more)
Than: just talk more with him
wispy sinew
@mint coral I talked to than alot 😆 I'm to the locked symbol kinda figure something else I had to do
mint coral
His quests just shortens to getting specific string of dialogues lol
It is what it is
Just don't try to advance hypnos bond at the same time
As Than is needed for it and the dialogues could clash
Delaying Than's lock a bit
wispy sinew
Ok thanks havnt did much his what's easiest heat 8 in your opinion?
wispy sinew
I think my fastest was like 20 something mins
wispy sinew
Ok thanka
normal hazel
so to get to the credits, I have to beat the game 9 times right?
do I have to use heat at any of the times or I can just do no heat runs?
mint coral
so to get to the credits, I have to beat the game 9 times right?
10 times/no heat required
normal hazel
10 times/no heat required
that's good I guess
also what's the best thing to get from Eurydice?
wispy sinew
also what's the best thing to get from Eurydice?
Was told last one majority of time
mint coral
also what's the best thing to get from Eurydice?
As majin said, yeah nectar is best in most cases
Good for duos/lucky chaos/hermes
normal hazel
Good for duos/lucky chaos/hermes
I'm using Zeus shield is it still good?
mint coral
Hermes for hyper sprint + rush delivery is always good and +dashes are just really nice
Other thing could be taking poms if static discharge is low lvl
wispy sinew
@mint coral so I'm trying to get this one specific boon for arti I have charm on and got one of her moves needed anyway to increase chances more? Also is there any boon that would stop me or a space need3d?
mint coral
What boon it is
wispy sinew
Hunter instinct
mint coral
Filling out your core slots is the only thing that'll help
normal hazel
do the nectar and yard of ariadne stack up?
mint coral
Filling out your core slots is the only thing that'll help
Avoiding opening duos also should help
wispy sinew
Ok I wasn't sure if something stops it cuz I tried probably 20 runs by now and havnt gotten it. I have the one item that let's me switch but still no luck sadly
mint coral
As game rolls for those first
(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.
wispy sinew
Ok I will make sure fill up asap taking a minute fr tho
normal hazel
is the anvil worth it?
normal hazel
what's the best way to use casts? I don't really use them so are there any upgrades I should choose for them?
stone rune
what's the best way to use casts? I don't really use them so are there any upgra...
cast builds are very strong but they also still have a purpose in non cast builds
you want to lodge a stone in big enemies and bosses for the boiling blood damage
the best casts for non cast builds are electric shot and phalanx shot
stiff obsidian
on which chamber no.s do the bosses appear?
mint coral
on which chamber no.s do the bosses appear?
14/24/36 for bosses
stone rune
34 last ely so 36 heroes
stiff obsidian
ok thanks
normal hazel
the best casts for non cast builds are electric shot and phalanx shot
how do I get these? through like boons and hammers?
stone rune
yeah
electric shot is zeus
phalanx shot is athena
electric shot has ok damage and really good aoe
phalanx shot can have great aoe if u get the lightning phalanx duo
otherwise its just good damage
normal hazel
what should I use with zeus shield?
stone rune
on zeus id imagine u just want the base cast for boiling blood
or maybe lightning phalanx
u had thunder dash
why would u not sell thunder dash
i couldnt actually read it
did u have splitting or something
u had another zeus core right
is it zeus
aspect
oh
no jolted though
idk man
id sell dashh
take arty
bruh
🗿
idk man